April 07, 2014

Supreme Court Refuses to Review Case of New Mexico Photographer Forced to Take Pictures at Gay Wedding
— Ace

Wow.

A "victory for gay rights," and a loss for all other rights.

The Supreme Court refused on Monday to be drawn into the spreading controversy over the right of business firms to refuse to serve gay and lesbian customers, turning aside the appeal of a New Mexico photography studio and its owners. The Court made no comment as it denied review of Elane Photography v. Willock, involving a refusal to photograph a lesbian coupleÂ’s wedding-style ceremony.

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The Elane Photography case had gained some prominence on the CourtÂ’s docket because it was the first to reach the Court, in the wake of new successes in achieving legal equality for gays and lesbians, to test whether homosexuals can be turned away as customers of ordinary businesses that are open to the public.

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At one point, the business in Elane Photography case also raised religious objections, but the studioÂ’s lawyers dropped that issue when they took the case to the Supreme Court. Instead, they argued that, since photography is a form of expression, the government should not be allowed to compel the use of that freedom in ways that the business owners find objectionable.

Courts do not explain why they don't grant certiorari (review), and they didn't make an exception in this case.

Update: The brief submitted by Eugene Volokh and Ilya Shapiro.

They rely heavily on a Supreme Court case called Wooley v. New Hampshire, in which someone sued, objecting to the "compelled" messaging of putting a license plate on his car which read "Live Free or Die." There, the court recognized that compelling someone to speak (or endorse sentiments he objected to) was the same offense as forbidding someone to speak.

They argue, persuasively, that the New Mexico Supreme Court's decision "directly contrary to" the Supreme Court's ruling in Wooley. In Wooley, the Court had recognized an "individual freedom of mind;" the New Mexico ruling -- and now the Supreme Court's refusal to review it -- establishes the contrary proposition.

Apparently our collective freedom of mind trumps it. (My words, any court's, though Breyer's dissent in McCutcheon did attract three other votes.)

Posted by: Ace at 02:42 PM | Comments (431)
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1 I guess the only option is to close the business and go Galt.

Posted by: rickl at April 07, 2014 02:44 PM (sdi6R)

2 Anyone want to be compelled to take a picture of my junk?

Posted by: Carlos Danger at April 07, 2014 02:44 PM (Kkt/i)

3 instead of refusing to do it, he should have just made it outrageously expensive

Posted by: AltonJackson at April 07, 2014 02:44 PM (oilSo)

4 The gheys -love them or else.

Posted by: Warthog at April 07, 2014 02:45 PM (Tm1Xr)

5 Ahhh... but you see.... your Right of Freedom of Association is a Collective Right... which can be countermanded by the Government, for the "public good". Right... you keepa using that word... but I done think it means what you thinka it means...

Posted by: Your Betters on the Supreme Court at April 07, 2014 02:45 PM (84gbM)

6 I am outraged as I feel this was so over the top to make someone engage in a ceremony they did not believe in.

Business owners are just going to have to be really smart about the reasons why they sidestep these clients.  Or just do a really shitty job as payback.

Posted by: McAdams at April 07, 2014 02:45 PM (JVlsa)

7 Nazi cocksuckers are rejoicing.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 02:45 PM (bitz6)

8

Does this work both ways?

Can we go to a Ghey Bakery and demand that they bake a cake with pro-traditional marriage message on it?

Posted by: wheatie at April 07, 2014 02:45 PM (FWbLS)

9 Business owners are just going to have to be really smart about the reasons why they sidestep these clients. Or just do a really shitty job as payback. The photographer should show up with an iPhone.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 07, 2014 02:46 PM (8ZskC)

10 Soooooo, if I wanted to have a picture of me pooping on a picture of Barack Obama, every photographer is compelled by law to take pictures?  Good to know. 

Posted by: pep at April 07, 2014 02:46 PM (4nR9/)

11 Now Elaine Huguenin faces an interesting question. If she refuses to pay the fine she could become America's first political prisoner.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2014 02:46 PM (M3hAT)

12 I'm hoping they only rejected this one because the argument for appeal and the way the appeal was framed did not lend to a good debate on the merits of the underlying issues.  I cannot imagine that what happened in Colorado or New Mexico will survive a true test of Constitutional limits.  

The appeal must have been messed up and/or the case just isn't a good candidate to open this can of worms with...   but surely another will come.  No doubt.

Posted by: Yip at April 07, 2014 02:46 PM (/jHWN)

13 No one can force you to a good job.

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at April 07, 2014 02:46 PM (QupBk)

14 Yep. Nothing but crotch shots.

That is apparently the only way to protect your freedom of association.

Deliberately bad service. Crotch shots, and wedding cakes that have no sugar in the frosting or filling. I hope lawsuit-happy Gays like deliberately bad serv ice and unusable products.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 02:47 PM (c6N69)

15 1 I guess the only option is to close the business and go Galt. That's what they want. Us to submit or starve.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 02:47 PM (WEuad)

16 So, I'm actually, for real at this point, wondering why the homos that sued her are still breathing.


Posted by: GMan at April 07, 2014 02:47 PM (72RL7)

17 No takers?

Posted by: Carlos Danger at April 07, 2014 02:47 PM (Kkt/i)

18 Religion of peace, meet sexuality of tolerance.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 02:47 PM (WEuad)

19 So "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" is now against the law?!?!

Posted by: SGT. York at April 07, 2014 02:47 PM (WFt3Z)

20 Posted by: wheatie at April 07, 2014 06:45 PM (FWbLS) No, because there is a legal double standard... with Protected classes and non protected classes... Because of Government interest... (still trying to meet this Government guy... the personification of Gov... its almost like he does not really exist...).

Posted by: Your Betters on the Supreme Court at April 07, 2014 02:47 PM (84gbM)

21 8 Does this work both ways? Can we go to a Ghey Bakery and demand that they bake a cake with pro-traditional marriage message on it? Posted by: wheatie at April 07, 2014 06:45 PM (FWbLS) wouldn't trust the icing

Posted by: Avi at April 07, 2014 02:47 PM (p/izY)

22 Clean up at 72RL7 ?

Posted by: flounder at April 07, 2014 02:47 PM (Kkt/i)

23 The appeal must have been messed up and/or the case just isn't a good candidate to open this can of worms with... but surely another will come. No doubt.
Posted by: Yip

You dream, General. 

Posted by: Lord Cornwallis at April 07, 2014 02:47 PM (4nR9/)

24 I wouldn't want to eat a wedding cake that somebody was forced to bake for me against their will. Just sayin'

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 07, 2014 02:47 PM (8ZskC)

25 Isn't this the guy who's actually facing jail time over this mess?

Posted by: Lauren at April 07, 2014 02:48 PM (hFL/3)

26 So, I'm actually, for real at this point, wondering why the homos that sued her are still breathing. They chose their victim wisely.

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at April 07, 2014 02:48 PM (QupBk)

27

After the Obamacare ruling, nothing these chuckleheads do surprises me.

Just waiting for the final deathblow: One of 'em retires and Obama gets his 5th radical on the bench.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 07, 2014 02:48 PM (udjuE)

28

16...Posted by: GMan at April 07, 2014 06:47 PM (72RL7) 

 

Not cool.

Posted by: wheatie at April 07, 2014 02:48 PM (FWbLS)

29 Yeah, clean it up.  I apologize.  I'm just fucking sick of this.  Beyond fucking sick of this.


Posted by: GMan at April 07, 2014 02:48 PM (72RL7)

30 12 I'm hoping they only rejected this one because the argument for appeal and the way the appeal was framed did not lend to a good debate on the merits of the underlying issues. I cannot imagine that what happened in Colorado or New Mexico will survive a true test of Constitutional limits.

The appeal must have been messed up and/or the case just isn't a good candidate to open this can of worms with... but surely another will come. No doubt.
Posted by: Yip

+1
I'm no legal expert, but I tend to think that was why.  The grounds they were using seemed shaky to make such a far reaching precedent.

Posted by: McAdams at April 07, 2014 02:48 PM (JVlsa)

31 involving a refusal to photograph a lesbian coupleÂ’s wedding-style ceremony. So this isn't even a "rights" issue, it's an issue of accommodation. Which, apparently, has no limit. So let's think about this. What if it's an orgy? You're a professional photographer and the "wedding-style" ceremony involves anonymous group sex. Are you compelled then?

Posted by: AmishDude at April 07, 2014 02:48 PM (T0NGe)

32 >>3 instead of refusing to do it, he should have just made it outrageously expensive Posted by: AltonJackson if a customer is a pain in the ass, charge them for it and then some. you can usually tell right off who they are. hi lawyer assholes!

Posted by: X at April 07, 2014 02:48 PM (KHo8t)

33 Sabotaging your own work is a waste of time.

Posted by: Biz Cents at April 07, 2014 02:48 PM (wu/TK)

34 A few months ago, the printing shop where I work got a call from a lesbian asking whether we had any objection to printing invitations for her wedding. We said no, and they come in one day to look over the selection. A few days later one of them called saying that the wedding was being postposed due to an illness in one of their families. I haven't heard from them since, and I can't help wondering whether it was a fishing expedition to see whether we would refuse them service.

Posted by: rickl at April 07, 2014 02:48 PM (sdi6R)

35 Wonder what Gabe has to say.

Posted by: steevy at April 07, 2014 02:48 PM (zqvg6)

36 11 Now Elaine Huguenin faces an interesting question. If she refuses to pay the fine she could become America's first political prisoner. Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2014 06:46 PM (M3hAT) no the anti-islam video maker beat her to it. Is he still in jail?

Posted by: Avi at April 07, 2014 02:49 PM (p/izY)

37 No one can force you to a good job. Posted by: toby928 ---------------- True, but if it can be demonstrated that you did less than a 'professional', or 'workmanlike' job, then you will not be paid, and have to pay damages. Admittedly, it would be tough to prove 'damages'. Disclaimer : I have no idea what I am talking about.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 07, 2014 02:49 PM (aDwsi)

38 Not cool.

At what fucking point do we stop caring about "not cool"?

Serious question.

Posted by: GMan at April 07, 2014 02:49 PM (72RL7)

39 So the gays offered to reschedule their wedding to accommodate the photographers?  Those are some flexible gays.

Posted by: Fritz at April 07, 2014 02:49 PM (oJUxt)

40 11 Now Elaine Huguenin faces an interesting question. If she refuses to pay the fine she could become America's first political prisoner. Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2014 06:46 PM (M3hAT) ewwwwww..... Bondage!!!

Posted by: The GheyGheyGhey at April 07, 2014 02:49 PM (84gbM)

41 Someone was commenting this morning that the photographer didn't use the same reasoning (freedom of religion) for this SC review, instead claiming some sort of artistic breach or something? I'm gonna have to go back and look.

Posted by: DangerGirl at home with her Sanity Prod at April 07, 2014 02:49 PM (GrtrJ)

42 Is there ANYONE in the Federal Govt. protecting freedom of religion and freedom of speech?? *crickets*

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at April 07, 2014 02:49 PM (g0H8G)

43 So now we see what happens if we don't celebrate diversity hard enough.

Posted by: Mindy at April 07, 2014 02:49 PM (Ew9Pv)

44 And if you really care about your wedding(-style ceremony) then you won't use it as a means to force someone to take pictures of it. Forcing somebody to do something against their will. Kinda rapey, isn't it?

Posted by: AmishDude at April 07, 2014 02:49 PM (T0NGe)

45 34 - Has that air about it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 07, 2014 02:50 PM (aDwsi)

46 Just waiting for the final deathblow: One of 'em retires and Obama gets his 5th radical on the bench. At that point, we are well and truly fucked.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2014 02:50 PM (mx5oN)

47 Courts do not explain why they don't grant certiorari (review), and they didn't make an exception in this case.

Cuz the gay mafia will come after us next.

Posted by: Paladin at April 07, 2014 02:50 PM (ycm4Q)

48

When this happens, isn't is a paticular judge, or group of judges that refuse to hear the grou, not the whole court?

 

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April 07, 2014 02:50 PM (xcAaF)

49 Start screening inquiring customers. If they're gay, your booked that day. Sucks that it's come to that.

Posted by: Adam at April 07, 2014 02:50 PM (Aif/5)

50 Just draw dicks on all the photographs. Case closed.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 07, 2014 02:50 PM (5UteM)

51 I also wondered why the cake guy in Colorado or this photog in NM didn't just screw up the ghey orders?   I mean, photogs mess up weddings all the time and cake folks do too.

Why not just slightly screw up those photos... badly framed.. show up late...talk about how you believe Jesus lives in your camera and inspiration and the baker could use a little less egg than needed and milk, so the cake is dry in the mouth..  heh.  There's a joke there..

Posted by: Yip at April 07, 2014 02:50 PM (/jHWN)

52 As per SCOTUSblog: At one point, the business in Elane Photography case also raised religious objections, but the studioÂ’s lawyers dropped that issue when they took the case to the Supreme Court. Instead, they argued that, since photography is a form of expression, the government should not be allowed to compel the use of that freedom in ways that the business owners find objectionable. Whether that switch in the nature of the case played a role in the Supreme CourtÂ’s denial of review is unknown, except inside the Court; it customarily does not give reasons for such a denial. The New Mexico case involved a ruling that turning away a customer from access to a business open to the public based on the customerÂ’s sexual identity violated the stateÂ’s law against discrimination based on sexual orientation.

Posted by: DangerGirl at home with her Sanity Prod at April 07, 2014 02:50 PM (GrtrJ)

53 No one can force you to a good job.

Posted by: toby928

In many ways, isn't this the story of Obama?

Posted by: flounder at April 07, 2014 02:50 PM (Kkt/i)

54 The Ghey Mafia strikes again!

Posted by: Elena Kagan at April 07, 2014 02:50 PM (nbGZj)

55 no the anti-islam video maker beat her to it. Is he still in jail? *** I'd say he is more a traditional dupe. Obama put him in prison because he needed a scape goat for Benghazi. If Huguenin goes to jail it will because she is a believing Christian, nothing else.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2014 02:51 PM (M3hAT)

56 That which is politically correct has now become compulsory. Again I ask: has the shooting started yet? And if not, why not? Oh. And you are still not fucking married.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 07, 2014 02:51 PM (KCYCG)

57 So now teh gheys have the right to press other people into service against their will and conscience. Fanfuckingtastic.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2014 02:51 PM (mx5oN)

58 What exactly are the laws regarding public accommodations?

I thought that if you were a business open to the public you can't discriminate on the basis of sex, race, religion, and (maybe?) citizenship status. So does this mean that gays are now a de facto protected class like the above?

Posted by: Mætenloch at April 07, 2014 02:51 PM (pAlYe)

59 Just draw dicks on all the photographs. That costs extra.

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at April 07, 2014 02:51 PM (QupBk)

60

Not as bad as I originally thought.  Shitty artistic expression is not a great defense.  Thanks Jen for that info.

 

VOX will soon explain to us though why this is a huge buttfucker win, and that the baker's religion was started by white privilege and that the baker is in fact racist as is her religion and her great grandmother and likely a closet pedo who drives a pickup truck with a "Don't Tread On Me" sticker and refuses to sign up for obamacare.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 02:51 PM (tVTLU)

61 I guess I need a drink. I seem to be copying what ace already wrote. *trundles off*

Posted by: DangerGirl at home with her Sanity Prod at April 07, 2014 02:51 PM (GrtrJ)

62 Again I ask: has the shooting started yet? And if not, why not?

Careful...that might not be cool

Posted by: GMan at April 07, 2014 02:52 PM (72RL7)

63 39 So the gays offered to reschedule their wedding to accommodate the photographers? Those are some flexible gays. Posted by: Fritz at April 07, 2014 06:49 PM (oJUxt) It doesn't matter to them. That's the problem with gay marriage. For gays, marriage is optional, unlike for straights. A few days later one of them called saying that the wedding was being postposed due to an illness in one of their families. I haven't heard from them since, and I can't help wondering whether it was a fishing expedition to see whether we would refuse them service. Yup.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 07, 2014 02:52 PM (T0NGe)

64 Just show up in your Westboro Church T-shirt.

These 'tards want an excuse to sue. Nothing else.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 02:52 PM (c6N69)

65 show up in a hazmat suit.

Posted by: X at April 07, 2014 02:52 PM (KHo8t)

66 Deliberately bad service. Crotch shots, and wedding cakes that have no sugar in the frosting or filling. I hope lawsuit-happy Gays like deliberately bad service and unusable products. I wouldn't go that far, but I would absolutely take uninspired photographs. Nothing artsy. Group shots, shots of people greeting the couple, shots of people on the dance floor, everything acceptable, but nothing better than an amateur could have done.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 07, 2014 02:52 PM (qKrH5)

67 52 I also wondered why the cake guy in Colorado or this photog in NM didn't just screw up the ghey orders? I mean, photogs mess up weddings all the time and cake folks do too. Why not just slightly screw up those photos... badly framed.. show up late...talk about how you believe Jesus lives in your camera and inspiration and the baker could use a little less egg than needed and milk, so the cake is dry in the mouth.. heh. There's a joke there.. Posted by: Yip at April 07, 2014 06:50 PM (/jHWN) they'll be sued for breach of contract

Posted by: Avi at April 07, 2014 02:52 PM (p/izY)

68 16 - Bad thoughts man, very bad.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 07, 2014 02:52 PM (aDwsi)

69 I think the religious objections angle was stronger than the "personal expression" angle, but that personal expression should have been enough. If it's good enough for flag burning...

Posted by: Lauren at April 07, 2014 02:52 PM (hFL/3)

70 Ace, and any actual lawyer.....is this rejection based on any obvious technical or legal flaws in the case, or is it a rejection of the premise?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 07, 2014 02:53 PM (QFxY5)

71 If we wants youse to takes the pictures, you better takes the pictures, capisce?

Posted by: Big Anus at April 07, 2014 02:53 PM (mx5oN)

72 DangerGirl...was it Jen from the ont?

Posted by: Puncher at April 07, 2014 02:53 PM (1YgVg)

73 While I was at the Masterpiece Bakery in Denver buying hate cupcakes, I took the opportunity to ask if the proprietors were okay with having gay customers (of course, I knew they were, but there were claims to the contrary on Yelp). They give not a whit about the lifestyles of their costumers, they just don't want to be forced to participate.

Posted by: Mindy at April 07, 2014 02:53 PM (Ew9Pv)

74 Nice to know the gaystapo is going out of their way to find people to persecute. Normally, if somebody didn't want to perform work for you - wouldn't you PREFER to find somebody else? They're coming after you next.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 07, 2014 02:53 PM (pgQxn)

75 58 So now teh gheys have the right to press other people into service against their will and conscience. Fanfuckingtastic. Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2014 06:51 PM (mx5oN) Wait..... isn't Slavery Unconstitutional? Can they FORCE you to take a Job?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2014 02:53 PM (84gbM)

76

"How do you make a fruit cordial?   Be nice to him."

 

Sincerely,

Frank Sinatra and the remaining vestige of sane America.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 02:54 PM (tVTLU)

77 Correct, Gman. Talking about illegal acts is not cool and stupid.

Don't talk about illegal acts.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 02:54 PM (c6N69)

78 Bad thoughts man, very bad.

I'm telling you right fucking now, that the path that the homos are taking is going to lead exactly to them getting murdered.  They either are too fucking stupid to realize this, or think it won't happen.

Posted by: GMan at April 07, 2014 02:54 PM (72RL7)

79 74 Costumers = customers stupid autocorrect

Posted by: Mindy at April 07, 2014 02:54 PM (Ew9Pv)

80 they'll be sued for breach of contract I believe "hey, they were an ugly couple to start with" would be a valid affirmative defense.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 07, 2014 02:54 PM (8ZskC)

81 Isn't robbery really an Act of Love? Like if you just want to give your baby mama a nice flat screen? That's not a felony. That's an Act of Love.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at April 07, 2014 02:54 PM (ZPrif)

82 Wait..... isn't Slavery Unconstitutional? *** If you are a member of the productive class the government already takes between and and two thirds of your income. We've been serfs for a while, and now it looks like slavery will be our future status.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2014 02:54 PM (M3hAT)

83

38 Not cool.

 

 

At what fucking point do we stop caring about "not cool"?

 

Serious question.

 

Posted by: GMan at April 07, 2014 06:49 PM (72RL7) 

 

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Not saying you can't think whatever you want to, GMan.

 

What's 'not cool' is to put it on a public blog...which is like calling in a firestorm on your own position, as well as those around you.

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 07, 2014 02:54 PM (FWbLS)

84 57: I call it gay "marriage" (with scare quotes) at my blog. Nothing mean, but I refuse to call something marriage when it is not. And "marriage equality". . . don't get me started on that Orwellian term.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at April 07, 2014 02:54 PM (g0H8G)

85 >>Careful...that might not be cool But making people embrace cocksucking is apparently. Life. How the fuck does it work?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 07, 2014 02:55 PM (KCYCG)

86 Mmm, hate cupcakes. I love the ones with that little creamy dollop of loathing in the middle, with despise sprinkles.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 07, 2014 02:55 PM (pgQxn)

87 the public accommodations section of the civil rights law was an overreach that turned the first amendment on its head.

Posted by: Avi at April 07, 2014 02:55 PM (p/izY)

88 Should we call Grant Theft Larceny, Grant Theft Love?

Posted by: Jeb Bush at April 07, 2014 02:55 PM (ZPrif)

89 73 DangerGirl...was it Jen from the ont? Posted by: Puncher at April 07, 2014 06:53 PM (1YgVg) I honestly don't know. It's been a rough day.

Posted by: DangerGirl at home with her Sanity Prod at April 07, 2014 02:55 PM (GrtrJ)

90 69: Die gedanken sind frei.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 02:55 PM (c6N69)

91 I'm old enough to remember, back in the day, when a contract that one of the parties was coerced into would be void. That was pre-ObamaCare.

Posted by: Mindy at April 07, 2014 02:56 PM (Ew9Pv)

92 Don't talk about illegal acts. Which, sadly as of this moment, includes refusing to photograph a wedding.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 02:56 PM (Ng/f0)

93 I just think it's important that conservative learn to have a heart. There's nothing wrong with trying to make the world a better place.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at April 07, 2014 02:56 PM (ZPrif)

94 I was informed on Twitter that believing marriage was between a man and a woman is in fact hatred of gays.

Posted by: steevy at April 07, 2014 02:57 PM (zqvg6)

95 Condolences, Bevel.

In Soviet Amerika, you have to be careful about what you say.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 02:57 PM (c6N69)

96 So if the photographer has to cancel for whatever reason, she can be jailed.

Maybe she should go work for Mozil...wait, what?


Posted by: SARDiver at April 07, 2014 02:57 PM (ci7Fe)

97 I said to clean it up. You're right.  I'm beyond angry, and it was stupid.

Posted by: GMan at April 07, 2014 02:57 PM (72RL7)

98 Trust me, if I don't want to bake a cake for you, you really, really don't want it. Unless of course you're into poop. But then, that wouldn't work either, because I'd want to bake the cake for you if you were. Confusing.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 07, 2014 02:58 PM (pgQxn)

99 I'm just sayin..

Posted by: Yip at April 07, 2014 02:58 PM (/jHWN)

100 I know to many Republicans, "compassion" is a dirty word, but I think we do better as Republicans when we express love, not hate.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at April 07, 2014 02:58 PM (ZPrif)

101 80 74 Costumers = customers stupid autocorrect Posted by: Mindy at April 07, 2014 06:54 PM (Ew9Pv) That wedding would be fabulous!

Posted by: rickl at April 07, 2014 02:58 PM (sdi6R)

102 A photographer must be there before the ceremony, during the ceremony, and at the reception. It is at least a good 5 hours of active participation in what for many is considered a sin. At some point people are going to say no, and go to jail for not taking pictures of homosexuals pretending to get married. I would hope someone would take pictures of them in handcuffs and run it on the front page of the New York Times.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 07, 2014 02:58 PM (oMKp3)

103 the stateÂ’s law against discrimination based on sexual orientation. That's probably the problem here. The state statute may be a big hurdle to overcome. You have to argue freedom of religion trumps this statute, which might be specific. I think a better argument (but maybe not a better legal argument) is freedom of association. Being a photographer at a wedding(-style ceremony) is a major committment, it's not like handing out, as the poster describes above, a bunch of invitations. I would think, though, that not participating in a gay wedding(-style ceremony) is not discrimination against people for their sexual orientation, but against the ceremony itself. If the couple were male-female and said loudly that they were bisexuals, the photographer would not have been able to refuse.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 07, 2014 02:58 PM (T0NGe)

104

Ace, side note to your last statement.

 

Courts GENERALLY/ALMOST ALWAYS make no statement regarding the denial of cert, but in rare instances a Justice will dissent regarding the failure of the court to grant cert., so in very compelling circumstances, a justice will write an entire dissent on the decision to refuse cert.

 

Btw, your blog post way back when on this was awesome which was, you know, he gheys rather than force the photographer to do something they didn't want to do couldn't you just pick another wedding photographer out of the fucking phone book.  It's called the free market you assholes.

 

Finally, read the NM Sup. Ct. opinion on this case.  One of the most disturbing (read foundations of nazism/fascism/statism) decisions I've read in A LONG FUCKING TIME.

 

For all of you who think the Pauls are wackobirds, they are absolutely fucking right about one thing.  The Civil Rights Laws were completely unconstitutional.  If we want to abrogate our right to engage in racist behavior a la the First Amendment, then that needs to be done via constitutional amendment.

 

PROCESS MATTERS HERE FOLKS.  And when you fuck up the foundation, everything is rotten.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 02:59 PM (tVTLU)

105

@3 instead of refusing to do it, he should have just made it outrageously expensive

----------------------

 

From what I've heard, frequently the SSM people looking for someone to sue wait until after the business has already agreed and provided a price quote before bringing up the fact that it's a same sex wedding.  They let you think that it's a traditional wedding through all of the negotiating.

 

Posted by: junior at April 07, 2014 02:59 PM (UWFpX)

106 Clutch Cargo: I once was at a party where the baker forgot to put sugar in the frosting or the filling. Trust me, it's inedible without being unlawful.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 02:59 PM (c6N69)

107 I'm old enough to remember, back in the day, when a contract that one of the parties was coerced into would be void. That was pre-ObamaCare. Yep. Ancient rule. A contract affirmed under duress is null and void. But the gov't gets to do all sorts of things to you "under duress". Like sign your tax forms.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 07, 2014 02:59 PM (qKrH5)

108 Did I mention that they are still not fucking married? Isn't there something in one of the books of the prophets in the Old Testament about the world going bat shit mother fucking insane? Not a prophecy guy, but I'm just fucking saying.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 07, 2014 02:59 PM (KCYCG)

109 I wonder if there would be a legal way to price discriminate between gay and non-gay weddings. Something like charge $X for taking groom pics and $Y for taking bridge pics with a 30% discount if you purchase one of each.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 07, 2014 02:59 PM (0LHZx)

110 101 I know to many Republicans, "compassion" is a dirty word, but I think we do better as Republicans when we express love, not hate. You're right Jeb. For instance, I'd "love" to poop in your mouth.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 07, 2014 02:59 PM (pgQxn)

111

DangerGirl:

 

it was Jen.  from this morning.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 03:00 PM (tVTLU)

112 "The New Mexico case involved a ruling that turning away a customer from access to a business open to the public based on the customerÂ’s sexual identity violated the stateÂ’s law against discrimination based on sexual orientation."

Seems like an open and shut case of discrimination under New Mexico law. If a painter was forced to paint gay couples that might be unconstitutional, if you're charging a fee for painting people/couples you're more in the commercial realm than the free expression realm, though.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 07, 2014 03:00 PM (5UteM)

113

I've worked as a wedding photographer--very part time and out of my home. I also work in financial services.

It seems to me I have the right to refuse to work with a prospective customer. In both cases I can say decline to work with someone I don't like--because if I don't like them I won't do my best.

If a heterosexual couple wants to hire me to photograph their wedding but the bride strikes me as a bridezilla I would refuse to do business with them. I don't see how I can be compelled to work with someone I don't want to work with.

Could an employee be forced to work for aggressively gay employers?

Maybe not making sense--but these rulings make no sense either.

Posted by: northernlurker at April 07, 2014 03:00 PM (Xmw9g)

114 I think, as Republicans, we'd get more votes if we tried being decent human beings for a change.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at April 07, 2014 03:00 PM (ZPrif)

115 Fitting I suppose that I'm finishing up Wiker's book "Worshipping the state" today. IMHO, I would have left the religious claims in, force them to address the "or Prevent the free exercise of."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at April 07, 2014 03:00 PM (a8eFL)

116 I think a Catholic photographer/ baker would have an especially strong case for not participating in a homosexual "marriage" since they consider marriage to be a sacrament.

Posted by: Lauren at April 07, 2014 03:01 PM (hFL/3)

117 Sad. Even if the photographer had lost in court at least the case would've been heard. My country has passed me up and left me in the ditch

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 07, 2014 03:01 PM (HVff2)

118 "65 Just show up in your Westboro Church T-shirt." Darwin hates gays! Evolution is heteronormative!

Posted by: AmishDude at April 07, 2014 03:01 PM (T0NGe)

119 Unfortunately, we're going to have to be "guerilla" conservatives and not march in line to make ourselves easy targets. I'm not saying the photographer deserved in any way what happened to him, but it was incredibly stupid to say you're not going to do photography work with a gay couple in a commitment ceremony. If I had my way, I think a business owner should be able to openly discriminate against whoever they want. If a Jewish photographer didn't want to shoot a Christian wedding, I have no problem with that, but unfortunately we live in a litigious age.

Posted by: McAdams at April 07, 2014 03:01 PM (JVlsa)

120 I once was at a party where the baker forgot to put sugar in the frosting or the filling. Trust me, it's inedible without being unlawful. I'd love to have seen the expressions there. And you'd have to have one more taste thinking something was wrong with you!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 07, 2014 03:01 PM (pgQxn)

121 Still waiting for a gay couple to find a Muslim delicatessen to provide bacon-wrapped hors d'oeuvres for their "wedding" reception.

Posted by: Mindy at April 07, 2014 03:01 PM (Ew9Pv)

122 If a heterosexual couple wants to hire me to photograph their wedding but the bride strikes me as a bridezilla I would refuse to do business with them. I think you have to refuse a hetero couple pre-emptively so that you can point to them when the inevitable gay lawsuits come.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 07, 2014 03:02 PM (T0NGe)

123 Just say you're busy. Gotta rotate the air in your tires that day.

Posted by: navybrat at April 07, 2014 03:02 PM (JgC5a)

124 115 I think, as Republicans, we'd get more votes if we tried being decent human beings for a change. Luckily, we as republicans aren't running for office.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 07, 2014 03:02 PM (pgQxn)

125

Avi:

 

Please see post 105.  You could not be more correct.  Process fucking matters.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 03:02 PM (tVTLU)

126 Posted by: Mindy at April 07, 2014 07:01 PM (Ew9Pv) It won't happen. The ghey mafia can only pick on Christians & righties

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 07, 2014 03:03 PM (HVff2)

127 You call this persecution?  Oy.  You haven't seen anything yet.

Posted by: The Jews at April 07, 2014 03:03 PM (uhMMS)

128 I once was at a party where the baker forgot to put sugar in the frosting or the filling. Trust me, it's inedible without being unlawful. I was a missionary to Hispanic people. That's normal for cakes and things. Oddly, not sweetbreads, they have sugar and cinnamon. It's hilarious too when you don't know what's going to happen to you. You bite into a cupcake and it's GOT NO SUGAR in it. Then the poor cook looks concernedly at you and sincerely asks, "Too sweet?"

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 07, 2014 03:03 PM (qKrH5)

129 McAdams: Unfortunately, suing for discriminating against any protected group is settled law.

This was inevitable since the civil rights suits of the 60's and 70's. Once Gays got protected status, it was game over.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 03:03 PM (c6N69)

130 Yeah, when are the gheys going to start demanding gay friendly mosques and denouncing clerics that preach intolerance.  yeah, not going to happen.

Posted by: Yip at April 07, 2014 03:04 PM (/jHWN)

131

@107Clutch Cargo: I once was at a party where the baker forgot to put sugar in the frosting or the filling. Trust me, it's inedible without being unlawful.

---------------------------------

 

My sister once screwed up a batch of lemon bars by accidentally replacing the sugar with salt.

 

>.<

 

Posted by: junior at April 07, 2014 03:04 PM (UWFpX)

132 Resistance is futile.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at April 07, 2014 03:04 PM (Dwehj)

133 We're all going to have to learn to live in the coming totalitarian left-fascist state. Or not.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at April 07, 2014 03:04 PM (H4aQb)

134 I think we should use "gaystapo" or "gheystapo" instead of "gay mafia". Its a better description of who they are, has the dreaded nazi connotation, and rolls off the tongue.

Posted by: Iblis at April 07, 2014 03:04 PM (9221z)

135

This is so gay.

Posted by: Schrödinger's Cat at April 07, 2014 03:04 PM (4KOF2)

136 The Left, for centuries: "Capitalism is evil. It must be destroyed."

The Left, now: "You refused to engage in capitalist transactions upon demand! You are evil, and must be destroyed."

The Left, for centuries, "No one should have anything to do with capitalism."

The Left, now: "No one should have anything to do with you capitalists, except for people whose life choices you don't endorse. They should be allowed to force you."

You would think that the photographers, cake shop owners, et cetera would be being given public service medals by lefties for having protected these poor innocent gheys from being contaminated by sordid commerce. Yet instead the lynch mobs are revving up.

Consistent?

Consistent with Fen's Law, at least.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 07, 2014 03:04 PM (noWW6)

137 Embrace the suck.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at April 07, 2014 03:04 PM (Dwehj)

138

Kristophr:

 

The game ain't never over.

 

Dr. Spank:

 

True, but that is why the law is unconstitutional.  See First Amendment.  Thanks fellas!!

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 03:04 PM (tVTLU)

139 Pretty sure it's a sock, Clutch.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 07, 2014 03:04 PM (ZPrif)

140 Up until this point, I was tolerant, and by that I don't mean "put up with" I mean "hey, whatever."

Not any more.

Party's over.  Everyone out of the pool.

Posted by: tangonine at April 07, 2014 03:05 PM (x3YFz)

141 Once Gays got protected status, it was game over. The funny thing is that gay wedding(-style ceremonies) are pretty much the only way to discriminate against gays. It's not like there are separate lunch counters or anything.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 07, 2014 03:05 PM (T0NGe)

142 Jeb, you ignorant slut. Why did you take all our pensions?

Posted by: I Cair deeply at April 07, 2014 03:05 PM (wu/TK)

143 And at some point, Christians are just going to have to face the fact that they may indeed have to pay a cost for their convictions. No one said being a Jesus follower was going to be smooth sailing. Buckle up.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 07, 2014 03:05 PM (oMKp3)

144 I remember when dissidents in the Soviet era had the choice of staying and fighting to the point of execution or gulags and packing your bags and living in exile and fight with people sympathetic to your cause. One book I read as a teen that made me into an anti-Communist was "Against All Hope: Twenty-Two Years in Castro's Gulag", by Armando Valladares. This poor man became a political prisoner because he refused to jump into the Castro bandwagon. He lost twenty-two years of his life - just for saying "NO." Will Christians be denied their freedoms and even their lives because of saying "NO" here? I think we're going to find out, sooner than we think.

Posted by: newton at April 07, 2014 03:06 PM (NtsQB)

145

We see all these polls, let's try a few other questions:

 

"Should individuals be forced to work for gay weddings if it violates their religious beliefs?"

 

"Should churches be forced to perform gay weddings if it violates their religious beliefs?"

 

Wonder how those would poll, eh?

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 03:06 PM (tVTLU)

146

So there are all the exclusive artist and clubs and designers who are usually the darlings of the left.

Seems to me that it is time for Billy Joe Bob to start scheduling these high minded lefty heros to do things like "cater muh hunt'n party" and then sue when they say that they are just to damn busy or exclusive.

Personally I would have taken the job, shown up with sticker on my gear proclaiming marriage as man and woman only and then filed a hostile work place complaint.

They want a fight, I'd be all to happy to bring it right into the middle of their little party.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April 07, 2014 03:06 PM (xcAaF)

147 135 I've been using Gaystapo all week. Works for me, and it's accurate. Half of them would probably groove on the uniforms too.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 07, 2014 03:06 PM (pgQxn)

148 "I was a missionary to Hispanic people. That's normal for cakes and things." I've mentioned before I live in a Hispanic neighborhood. We have a Mexican bakery on the corner. I would love for someone to explain what the hell is up with the Pink Cake. Every single Mexican bakery sells white cake with pink frosting. Why?!

Posted by: Lauren at April 07, 2014 03:06 PM (hFL/3)

149 120 If I had my way, I think a business owner should be able to openly discriminate against whoever they want. If a Jewish photographer didn't want to shoot a Christian wedding, I have no problem with that, but unfortunately we live in a litigious age. Posted by: McAdams at April 07, 2014 07:01 PM (JVlsa) Exactly. I've said before that private discrimination should be legal, and the civil rights laws went too far when they outlawed it. This is a logical outgrowth of anti-discrimination laws, where the government claimed the right to dictate to private businesses who they must hire or serve. See also the laws banning smoking on private property.

Posted by: rickl at April 07, 2014 03:06 PM (sdi6R)

150 "I think we should use 'gaystapo' or 'gheystapo' instead of 'gay mafia'."

Building on the Left's old-time identity-politics heroes, the Black Panthers and the Gray Panthers, it is unavoidable that "Pink Panthers" be pressed into service to describe this latest nonsense.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 07, 2014 03:07 PM (noWW6)

151 140 Pretty sure it's a sock, Clutch. I hope so! If not I missed an opportunity.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 07, 2014 03:07 PM (pgQxn)

152 when your right to be gay becomes a compulsory, mandated requirement on how we do business?

we have a problem.

bake your own fucking cake and take your own fucking pictures.

Posted by: tangonine at April 07, 2014 03:08 PM (x3YFz)

153 I don't want to feed into the media narrative that Republicans are all angry, heartless, racists -- but they do have a point. So, you heartless wingnuts, try to find what's left of your shrunken hearts and vote for me in the primary! Thank you!

Posted by: Jeb Bush at April 07, 2014 03:08 PM (ZPrif)

154 prescient11: I'm not sure this can be fixed without throwing out the anti-segregation legislation.

Mind you, that legislation IS a first amendment violation.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 03:08 PM (c6N69)

155 I think all photographers should have a mentally handicapped trainee on staff for just these occasions.  Give'em a waterproof Polaroid and let'em run fucking wild.

Posted by: Fritz at April 07, 2014 03:08 PM (oJUxt)

156

Grammie:

 

Amen.  Be proud to walk in the light brothers and sisters.  The truth shall set you free. 

 

It is troubling that we must reteach these basic principles, again.  The "daffodils become people" crowd is the most dangerous of all religions, atheism must be mocked, ridiculed, and pulled up, root and branch.  Otherwise the world is going to burn.  Last time the atheists didn't have nukes.  This time, watch the fuck out...

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 03:08 PM (tVTLU)

157 "And at some point, Christians are just going to have to face the fact that they may indeed have to pay a cost for their convictions." The Chinese Underground Church has had plenty of experience in that matter...

Posted by: newton at April 07, 2014 03:08 PM (NtsQB)

158 Will Christians be denied their freedoms and even their lives because of saying "NO" here? I think we're going to find out, sooner than we think. I can see this coming to pass. All it would take is criminalizing "discrimination" such as refusing service to members of the Gaystapo. I'm sure there are people out there who would love to see such a thing.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2014 03:09 PM (mx5oN)

159 Pink Panther for the win! Go collect your winnings, torquewrench.

Posted by: Y-not at April 07, 2014 03:09 PM (mKRyJ)

160 My sister once screwed up a batch of lemon bars by accidentally replacing the sugar with salt. Oh man, with lemon I can't even imagine how bad that would be. I know how much sugar goes into lemon bars - it's pretty much what holds them together.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 07, 2014 03:09 PM (pgQxn)

161 Also, I bite my thumb at whoever kept talking about Fulsom Street the other day. (And fuck me for not following the HQ's number one rule)

Posted by: Adam at April 07, 2014 03:09 PM (Aif/5)

162 It's like modern day Gaylem Witch Trials.  Burn them!

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at April 07, 2014 03:09 PM (uhMMS)

163 11 Now Elaine Huguenin faces an interesting question. If she refuses to pay the fine she could become America's first political prisoner. Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2014 06:46 PM (M3hAT) Unfortunately, she won't be the first. Lots of homeschoolers have been jailed.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 07, 2014 03:09 PM (8MjqI)

164 Many Christians in Egypt and Nigeria are unavailable for comment.

Posted by: navybrat at April 07, 2014 03:10 PM (JgC5a)

165 "Send in the special photographer ... the hobo with a disposable camera, Scrofulous Bob!"

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 03:10 PM (c6N69)

166 i wonder how many times scalia, thomas and alito rolled their eyes on this one. (after the premise for the case was changed to what was actually presented)

Posted by: Puncher at April 07, 2014 03:11 PM (DXTom)

167 166 Many Christians in Egypt and Nigeria are unavailable for comment.

Posted by: navybrat at April 07, 2014 07:10 PM (JgC5a)

point appropriately applied.

Posted by: tangonine at April 07, 2014 03:11 PM (x3YFz)

168 It's not a felony! It's an act of love!

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at April 07, 2014 03:11 PM (5xmd7)

169 "Every single Mexican bakery sells white cake with pink frosting. Why?!"

I do _not_ recommend you mutter the word "maricon" anywhere around the Mexican guy walking out with one of those cakes.

It is not a culture that warmly welcomes homosexuality. And it's going to get REALLY interesting when businesses owned by the same start getting pressured by the same-sex squad.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 07, 2014 03:11 PM (noWW6)

170

Kristophr:

 

Just make the principles of the CRA a Constitutional Amendment.  Pretty sure that would pass no problem today.  I can't think of anyone that would be in favor of commercial establishments open to the public to discriminate against someone based on race, ethnicity, national origin or sex.

 

On the other hand, forcing ghey celebrations on everyone, nah.  Not even at 50%.  The Bible, Koran and Torah are pretty clear on that.

 

And even if these buttfuck nazis tried it, my answer is simple.  No.  Go fuck yourself.  You can put me in prison then.  Oh, and fuck you.  War.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 03:12 PM (tVTLU)

171 So what is the punishment for this "crime"? Surely it can't be jail time.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 07, 2014 03:12 PM (0LHZx)

172 I've mentioned before I live in a Hispanic neighborhood. We have a Mexican bakery on the corner. I would love for someone to explain what the hell is up with the Pink Cake. Every single Mexican bakery sells white cake with pink frosting. Why?! Pastel para los ninos. It's a traditional kids birthday cake. I don't know why those colors though.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 07, 2014 03:12 PM (qKrH5)

173 122 Still waiting for a gay couple to find a Muslim delicatessen to provide bacon-wrapped hors d'oeuvres for their "wedding" reception. People don't provoke Muslims. Even the gayest gay crusader for civil rights would pass on. It's only fun to pick on people who won't blow you up.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 03:13 PM (obTkq)

174 173 So what is the punishment for this "crime"? Surely it can't be jail time. A fine or jail time.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 03:13 PM (obTkq)

175 Mexicans have the worst desserts, worse than the Irish.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 07, 2014 03:13 PM (5UteM)

176

Newton:

 

Agreed.  Thank God for the First and Second Amendments, vestiges of which we've still kept through 100 yrs (Coolidge and Reagan excepted) of statist tomfuckery.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 03:14 PM (tVTLU)

177 Yup. Same reason PEtA leaves bikers alone. Throwing dye on a biker's patch will get you a 50 mile drag.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 03:14 PM (c6N69)

178 109 Isn't there something in one of the books of the prophets in the Old Testament about the world going bat shit mother fucking insane? Not a prophecy guy, but I'm just fucking saying. Â…but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel. Proverbs 12:10 Deserve's Got Nothing To Do With It -William Muny

Posted by: Havildar-Major at April 07, 2014 03:14 PM (kduZC)

179 It's only fun to pick on people who won't blow you up.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 07:13 PM (obTkq)

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Posted by: tangonine at April 07, 2014 03:14 PM (x3YFz)

180 What do I care? Stupid Christian.

Posted by: John Roberts at April 07, 2014 03:14 PM (obTkq)

181 If you cannot discriminate against "sexual orientation", what does that include?  Only straights and gays? Why not pedos or necros or beastialty? Those are "sexual orientations".  Excluding them fron that protection is the same as protecting race, but only applying that to Hispanics.  How long will it be before some Judge realizes that?

Posted by: Saltydonnie at April 07, 2014 03:15 PM (RSarH)

182 I do _not_ recommend you mutter the word "maricon" anywhere around the Mexican guy walking out with one of those cakes. It is not a culture that warmly welcomes homosexuality. And it's going to get REALLY interesting when businesses owned by the same start getting pressured by the same-sex squad. But they're pretty much on the same page with older men doing younger girls. I can't tell you how many families I taught that had a 12-14 year old daughter that was shacked up with a 35-45 year old man.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 07, 2014 03:15 PM (qKrH5)

183 amish, perhaps in the orgy case one could have one statment only no shoes, no shirts, no service. seems to work

Posted by: willow at April 07, 2014 03:15 PM (nqBYe)

184 183 If you cannot discriminate against "sexual orientation", what does that include? Only straights and gays? Why not pedos or necros or beastialty? Those are "sexual orientations". Excluding them fron that protection is the same as protecting race, but only applying that to Hispanics. How long will it be before some Judge realizes that? Camel? Meet tent....

Posted by: Havildar-Major at April 07, 2014 03:15 PM (kduZC)

185 Why do the peasants of Albion have such bad teeth considering how bad their food is?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 03:16 PM (bitz6)

186 Many Christians in Egypt and Nigeria are unavailable for comment. ------------ I expect to die in my bed, my successor will die in prison, and his successor will die in the public square.

Posted by: Francis George at April 07, 2014 03:16 PM (Aif/5)

187 "177 Mexicans have the worst desserts, worse than the Irish." Haha, yeah I brought home some sort of pastry thing from the Mexican bakery and told my kids it was like a "Mexican do-nut" 8 year old autistic son: Uh, I like the American do-nuts better. They should make those instead. Cultural oppressor!

Posted by: Lauren at April 07, 2014 03:16 PM (hFL/3)

188 Saltydonnie: ( for extra credit, ask a Libertarian to explain why necrophilia with a corpse that was willed to you is an initiation of the use of force ... )

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 03:16 PM (c6N69)

189 Did they catch John Roberts with a live boy in his bed?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 03:17 PM (bitz6)

190 I do think also New Mexico's laws make it much more difficult since sexual orientation is specifically mentioned.

I will agree that many "civil rights" laws are unconstitutional in my eyes, but that's obviously not on the table as far as things I think conservatives should pursue.  It would be a political disaster and we all know there would be a few "Westboro" or false flaggers that would love to make a big show with signs like "no blacks allowed".

People are just going to have to be smart about figuring out ways to get around working with people they don't want to work with and not confront the issue directly.

I remember years ago my religious parents had a rental house and a couple looking at it were living together, but not married.  This was still a bit taboo, and my parent thought it spoke poorly of their character.  Even then they knew not to confront the reasons why they declined them.  We've been living with these sort of rules for a while.

Posted by: McAdams at April 07, 2014 03:17 PM (JVlsa)

191

So let's say I wander into a gay bar, not initially knowing its gay, after I sit down and order a beer I realize what it is, do I have to stay even if I'm uncomfortable?

Would I be guilty discrimination if I paid for my beer and bolted?

Posted by: northernlurker at April 07, 2014 03:17 PM (Xmw9g)

192 Don't like gay marriage? You could get fired. Or sued. Or jailed.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 03:17 PM (obTkq)

193 Right now, if I'd had a business that would expose me to this kind of stuff, I would cut my losses and liquidate, as fast as I can. And find out how life is like in Peru or Colombia...

Posted by: newton at April 07, 2014 03:18 PM (NtsQB)

194 Posted by: Havildar-Major at April 07, 2014 07:15 PM (kduZC)

So sexing up a dead male goat is "protected."

According to the Supreme Failure.

Evolution.  We've come so far.

Posted by: tangonine at April 07, 2014 03:18 PM (x3YFz)

195 I wonder if tax  return  preparers  would also be forced to prepare and file for an  alt  lifestyle couple.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 07, 2014 03:18 PM (BAS5M)

196 I can't tell you how many families I taught that had a 12-14 year old daughter that was shacked up with a 35-45 year old man. /packs bags for Mexico

Posted by: Romano Polanscez at April 07, 2014 03:19 PM (/al0u)

197 Camel? Meet tent.... I got news for you: the Camel is in the tent. And he wants a cake and pictures.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 03:19 PM (obTkq)

198 "Did they catch John Roberts with a live boy in his bed?" Knowing how the NSA has been all over like white on rice, who knows?

Posted by: newton at April 07, 2014 03:19 PM (NtsQB)

199 194 Don't like gay marriage? You could get fired. Or sued. Or jailed. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 07:17 PM (obTkq) Or pick up a nifty diagnostic label.

Posted by: Homophobes Anonymous at April 07, 2014 03:19 PM (H4aQb)

200 183 If you cannot discriminate against "sexual orientation", what does that include? Only straights and gays? Why not pedos or necros or beastialty? Those are "sexual orientations". Excluding them fron that protection is the same as protecting race, but only applying that to Hispanics. How long will it be before some Judge realizes that? Posted by: Saltydonnie at April 07, 2014 07:15 PM (RSarH) My older brother tried (unsuccessfully) to argue this exact point some years ago when the college he taught at was crafting their "tolerance" policy.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 07, 2014 03:19 PM (8MjqI)

201 ". I can't tell you how many families I taught that had a 12-14 year old daughter that was shacked up with a 35-45 year old man." I thought that the whole quinceanera thing had to do with the age of "becoming a woman" and thus eligibility to marry. Speaking of which, my niece turns 15 this year so I fully expect to attend my first one. From what I've seen It's like your the girl's very own prom! i will report back on if there is pink cake served.

Posted by: Lauren at April 07, 2014 03:20 PM (hFL/3)

202 Newton: Chile isn't bad. Paraguay also has sane laws, but is still third worldish.

Panama has a good program for gringo retirees, and gun laws at about Canada level ... no self-loaders, but everything else is OK.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 03:20 PM (c6N69)

203 I an live with calling them the gheysapo Will my mail be forwarded to me at the reeducation camps?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 07, 2014 03:20 PM (HVff2)

204 Do the gaystapo--I personally like the Pink Guard--realize that if they succeed in destroying the foundations of western civilization their lives will descend into a living hell as well as the lives of those they are trying to destroy?

Posted by: northernlurker at April 07, 2014 03:20 PM (Xmw9g)

205 My tolerance has been exhausted.  Channeling my great grandfather these days and deciding whether or not to patronize a business based on whether they hire homos.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at April 07, 2014 03:21 PM (L02KD)

206 Orwell was wrong.

The fascist future is not going to be a boot forever stomping on an upturned human face.

It will be a dick forever being shoved up our asses, whether we want it or not.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 07, 2014 03:21 PM (TM1p8)

207 I wonder if this will force a debate on the nature of homosexuality: is it intrinsic like race or is it a choice like drug addiction? The gaystapo has a vested interest in making it intrinsic because if its immutable, then homosexuals must be accorded minority status. However, if its a choice ( we have the example of Chirlane McCray to show it can be a choice) , then the raison d'etre evaporates.

Posted by: Iblis at April 07, 2014 03:21 PM (9221z)

208 I have a Q for the lawyers. If someone set up their photography (or catering) business such that they called themselves independent contractors and made clients "hire" them, would they then be able to refuse to work for people they didn't care to and not have these gaystapo types suing them trying to run them out of business? This would come at a cost of their customers having to be willing to do extra paperwork to get their services so it wouldn't be a simple loophole but it might be worth it to some. In general employees have freedoms to say "I don't want to work for this or that *evil corporation*" w/o having to give any reasons why, whereas businesses have to follow all the civil rights rules so it seems like this might be an out for some of these targets of the gaystapo.

Posted by: PaleRider, tips back tinfoil hat and rides into sunset. at April 07, 2014 03:21 PM (dUS+X)

209 "Isn't there something in one of the books of the prophets in the Old Testament about the world going bat shit mother fucking insane? Not a prophecy guy, but I'm just fucking saying." Yeah, in that part of the Bible right before Noah built the Ark...

Posted by: newton at April 07, 2014 03:21 PM (NtsQB)

210 "I expect to die in my bed, my successor will die in prison, and his successor will die in the public square." Your Emminence, if I may, you've neglected to add THE most important part of your quote. So, pls allow me to give it in full. "I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr in the public square. His successor will pick up the shards of a ruined society and slowly help rebuild civilization, as the church has done so often in human history."

Posted by: Havildar-Major at April 07, 2014 03:21 PM (kduZC)

211 187 Why do the peasants of Albion have such bad teeth considering how bad their food is?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 07:16 PM (bitz6)

Noted.

English girls are fine until they smile.

Same with Mississippi.

Freaking things look like they're held in by raisins.

Or someone threw a rock through a plate glass window.

Posted by: tangonine at April 07, 2014 03:22 PM (x3YFz)

212 Oh my.

Posted by: George Takei at April 07, 2014 03:22 PM (ZshNr)

213 Pro Photogs usually retain all copyright.

Could be a dangerous thing to force a photo shoot... especially the post-reception candid shots.

Posted by: Burnt Taost at April 07, 2014 03:22 PM (80R0X)

214 200 "Did they catch John Roberts with a live boy in his bed?" Knowing how the NSA has been all over like white on rice, who knows? Posted by: newton at April 07, 2014 07:19 PM (NtsQB) No they caught him sneaking around Irish adoption laws when he adopted his children from Central America.

Posted by: Iblis at April 07, 2014 03:22 PM (9221z)

215 This isn't like refusing to let someone sit at a lunch counter.

Posted by: Max Power at April 07, 2014 03:22 PM (q177U)

216 Chile and Argentina have better demographics than even Goldman Sach's United States.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 03:23 PM (bitz6)

217 ""Isn't there something in one of the books of the prophets in the Old Testament about the world going bat shit mother fucking insane? Not a prophecy guy, but I'm just fucking saying." Yeah, in that part of the Bible right before Noah built the Ark..." And also, from Jesus Himself, when he talked about exactly what you described... right before Noah entered the Ark.

Posted by: newton at April 07, 2014 03:23 PM (NtsQB)

218 Takes off old sock.

Posted by: PaleRider, tips back tinfoil hat and rides into sunset. at April 07, 2014 03:23 PM (dUS+X)

219 199 Camel? Meet tent.... I got news for you: the Camel is in the tent. And he wants a cake and pictures. Yeah? AND, he wants in the local Catholic Church too.

Posted by: Havildar-Major at April 07, 2014 03:23 PM (kduZC)

220 Doing a quick skim - did the issue of copyright ever come up in court?

Posted by: Burnt Taost at April 07, 2014 03:23 PM (80R0X)

221 Remember how all these assholes told us repeatedly it wouldn't lead to this shit? And I don't believe for a second that the big mouths regret this either. They are fucking ecstatic.

Posted by: Mickey Pug at April 07, 2014 03:23 PM (vFh9Q)

222 217: Yes. Which is part of the reason the anti-segregation laws were a 1st amendment violation.

The proper way to deal with bigotry is boycott, and not by forcing association at gunpoint.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 03:24 PM (c6N69)

223 The gays sued out of love.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at April 07, 2014 03:24 PM (oFCZn)

224 No furry gatherings!

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 07, 2014 03:24 PM (BAS5M)

225 Yeah? AND, he wants in the local Catholic Church too. The Church won't budge. It fought arranged marriages for centuries. Its definition doesn't change, and it is used to being attacked.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 03:24 PM (obTkq)

226 What's a self loader? Does that mean you have to go with a repeater instead of a semi auto?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 03:25 PM (bitz6)

227 Off! stinky sock. Sheesh

Posted by: PaleRider at April 07, 2014 03:25 PM (dUS+X)

228 "No they caught him sneaking around Irish adoption laws when he adopted his children from Central America." He adopted them from South America, where there are quite a lot of blonde kids descendants of Germans, Italians and others, especially in Brazil and Argentina.

Posted by: newton at April 07, 2014 03:25 PM (NtsQB)

229 Boss Moss: Stay away from Argentina ... they love socialism too much. The Chileans did not jump back into the burning barn once they unelected Pinochet.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 03:25 PM (c6N69)

230 202.
I'm a lawyer.  I've argued that same warning for 10 plus years, and its la-la-la-ed away and ignored precisely because they know it will happen. That is coming over the horizon like a choo choo. Better brace for it.

Posted by: Saltydonnie at April 07, 2014 03:25 PM (RSarH)

231 227 Yeah? AND, he wants in the local Catholic Church too. The Church won't budge. It fought arranged marriages for centuries. Its definition doesn't change, and it is used to being attacked. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 07:24 PM (obTkq) And its very good at operating under persecution.

Posted by: Iblis at April 07, 2014 03:26 PM (9221z)

232 226 No furry gatherings!

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 07, 2014 07:24 PM (BAS5M)

Just wait till the Bronies weigh in.  Heavily.

Posted by: tangonine at April 07, 2014 03:26 PM (x3YFz)

233

Hi!

Posted by: GilaGuy who lurks at April 07, 2014 03:26 PM (b96D1)

234 227 True, but I could see them losing tax free status in this climate.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 07, 2014 03:26 PM (ojnk6)

235 Rosa Parks was a communist trained shill. The school she was indoctrinated at was shut down for un American activities.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 03:26 PM (bitz6)

236 Boss Moss: Sorry. Self-loader=scary semi-auto "assault" rifle.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 03:27 PM (c6N69)

237 This is why earlier I laughed at their use of the phrase anti-choice.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 07, 2014 03:27 PM (jldxi)

238 If you like your ghey Mexican cake, you can keep your ghey Mexican cake.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at April 07, 2014 03:27 PM (Dwehj)

239

@210 I have a Q for the lawyers. If someone set up their photography (or catering) business such that they called themselves independent contractors and made clients "hire" them, would they then be able to refuse to work for people they didn't care to and not have these gaystapo types suing them trying to run them out of business? This would come at a cost of their customers having to be willing to do extra paperwork to get their services so it wouldn't be a simple loophole but it might be worth it to some. 

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Based on the bits and pieces that have filtered out, I suspect that the only way you could successfully ditch one of these "clients" once they opened negotiations with you was if you included a clause in your contract that allowed you to cancel the agreement if you decided that the client had misrepresented the event.  And then ran with the legal argument that since the would-be client couldn't be trusted to provide the pertinent information to you, you had serious misgivings about their ability to live up to other aspects of the contract.  This would provide you with an "out" if they decided to spring the same sex nature of the event as a surprise after the negotiations were concluded.

 

Posted by: junior at April 07, 2014 03:27 PM (UWFpX)

240 It will be a dick forever being shoved up our asses, whether we want it or not. Posted by: Sharkman at April 07, 2014 07:21 PM (TM1p Won't be the first time in history: "the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.'" When Lot turned them down, they complained that he was being "judgey."

Posted by: Mindy at April 07, 2014 03:28 PM (Ew9Pv)

241 232 Posted by: Saltydonnie at April 07, 2014 07:25 PM (RSarH) I'm sorry, is it terminal?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 07, 2014 03:28 PM (HVff2)

242 I remember when the deaf went after businesses claiming they had to provide interpreters at their own expense. Remember Eastwood also got nailed by the ADA lobby. They set you up. And bottom feed attys also scan for rent ads looking for violations. They make a mint off that shit. The same is going to happen with the gay bullshit.

Posted by: Mickey Pug at April 07, 2014 03:28 PM (vFh9Q)

243 The photographers should charge them the cost of taking this court. The way I figure, it's part of doing business with them.

Posted by: RGallegos at April 07, 2014 03:28 PM (AVODN)

244 I think putting the slogan "Live free or Die" on your license plate is a political, refusing someone service is economical.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 07, 2014 03:28 PM (5UteM)

245 So would a Henry or a Winchester Cowboy Rifle be OK?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 03:29 PM (bitz6)

246 218 Chile and Argentina have better demographics than even Goldman Sach's United States. Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 07:23 PM (bitz6) But, but, Pinochet!

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 07, 2014 03:29 PM (8MjqI)

247 236 227 True, but I could see them losing tax free status in this climate. Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 07, 2014 07:26 PM (ojnk6) They're already threatening this, and you can bet they've got lawyers lined up waiting for the case.

Posted by: Iblis at April 07, 2014 03:29 PM (9221z)

248

And the bakery should charge them court costs too.

Posted by: RGallegos at April 07, 2014 03:30 PM (AVODN)

249 This would provide you with an "out" if they decided to spring the same sex nature of the event as a surprise after the negotiations were concluded. How about, "This contract may be terminated at any time by either party."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 07, 2014 03:30 PM (0HooB)

250 Yes. You can buy one in country. It is possible to import your own, but that is a pain in the ass.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 03:30 PM (c6N69)

251 249 It would indeed be a fun case to watch.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 07, 2014 03:30 PM (ojnk6)

252 210 I have a Q for the lawyers. If someone set up their photography (or catering) business such that they called themselves independent contractors and made clients "hire" them, would they then be able to refuse to work for people they didn't care to and not have these gaystapo types suing them trying to run them out of business? This would come at a cost of their customers having to be willing to do extra paperwork to get their services so it wouldn't be a simple loophole but it might be worth it to some.

In general employees have freedoms to say "I don't want to work for this or that *evil corporation*" w/o having to give any reasons why, whereas businesses have to follow all the civil rights rules so it seems like this might be an out for some of these targets of the gaystapo. Posted by: PaleRider, tips back tinfoil hat and rides into sunset.

I'm sure all of them are already independent contractors, when someone hires a photographer they're not your salaried employee that you need to take out SS, Medicare, payroll taxes, etc.

They can turn away customers, the issue becomes the reason they give.  If someone is difficult to work with, you don't have to do business with them. 

In a litigious age though, people will try to make the case it was really about race and now, sexual orientation. 

Posted by: McAdams at April 07, 2014 03:31 PM (JVlsa)

253

Does this work both ways?

Can we go to a Ghey Bakery and demand that they bake a cake with pro-traditional marriage message on it?

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 07, 2014 06:45 PM (FWbLS)

 

Not a chance.  We subhuman conservatives have no rights.

Posted by: steveegg at April 07, 2014 03:31 PM (o44nj)

254 the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.'"

Oh please let God do to San Francisco what he did to those cities.

Posted by: GMan at April 07, 2014 03:31 PM (72RL7)

255

@251 How about, "This contract may be terminated at any time by either party."

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If you honestly believe that'll work, then you weren't paying attention to the story at the top.

 

Posted by: junior at April 07, 2014 03:31 PM (UWFpX)

256 38 Not cool. At what fucking point do we stop caring about "not cool"? Serious question. Posted by: GMan at April 07, 2014 06:49 PM (72RL7) It's a serious and honest dilemma. The leftist will use, apparently without any consequence at all, any rhetorical, emotional or physically destructive device at will; while we sit on our thumbs, argue coherently and are forced to eat shit. All with the cover and prodding of the usual suspects who, are charged with either enforcing the rule of law or checking abuses of power. It's a madhouse.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 07, 2014 03:31 PM (f921K)

257 251 This would provide you with an "out" if they decided to spring the same sex nature of the event as a surprise after the negotiations were concluded. How about, "This contract may be terminated at any time by either party." Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 07, 2014 07:30 PM (0HooB) My calendar is full. I'm sick. I've retired, the check is in the mail

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 07, 2014 03:31 PM (HVff2)

258 BackwardsBoy: Substitute the word "black" for "gay", and you begin to see the scope of this problem.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 07, 2014 03:31 PM (c6N69)

259 253 249 It would indeed be a fun case to watch. Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 07, 2014 07:30 PM (ojnk6) I wonder what the collective right to religion would look like

Posted by: Iblis at April 07, 2014 03:32 PM (9221z)

260 Here are the photos of your celebration. I got great shots of feet, chairs, a stray dog, and a trash can. I also threw in a modified composite of a black-robed guy cfuking himself, gratis. Would you like duplicates?

Posted by: Forced Photography, Inc. at April 07, 2014 03:33 PM (1CroS)

261 "I could see them losing tax free status in this climate." I'm a Baptist. I live in an area of TX where there are a lot of churches with congregations of 500+. Big buildings. Nice views. Huge sports courts and fun for the kids. Lots of media equipment. Nice chapel and/or cathedral views. How much do you want to bet that some of the Gaystafo had sent any of their emissaries to check out each place during an event open to the public (say, Easter, or Fall Festival, or Christmas Pageant, or "Family Day"), from top to bottom, including any scenic views from the outside, and even checked the property value of that church complex? I bet you they have already, and I bet you also they are licking their chops to get their dirty hands on them, just for spite. A little confiscation a la Henry VIII...

Posted by: newton at April 07, 2014 03:33 PM (NtsQB)

262 When Lot turned them down, they complained that he was being "judgey." Yep. They also told Lot they were going to rape him too, the foreign devil! Genesis 19:9 “Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.”

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 07, 2014 03:33 PM (qKrH5)

263

@259 My calendar is full. I'm sick. I've retired, the check is in the mail

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Problem is, from what I understand they typically don't mention that the wedding is same sex until you've already agreed to do it.  It's a bit hard to beg out due to having a full calendar *after* you've already stated that you can do it on that date at that time.

 

Posted by: junior at April 07, 2014 03:33 PM (UWFpX)

264 I'd photograph the wedding. Those Glamour Shots Gone Wrong wouldn't have shit on my product.

Posted by: RWC at April 07, 2014 03:33 PM (QeH9j)

265 It's a serious and honest dilemma. The leftist will use, apparently without any consequence at all, any rhetorical, emotional or physically destructive device at will; while we sit on our thumbs, argue coherently and are forced to eat shit.

Further, the left will ACCUSE US of these things *whether or not* we actually say or do them.

Fuck it.

Posted by: GMan at April 07, 2014 03:34 PM (72RL7)

266 The photographer should insert bible quotes in each picture. And the bakery should put little candy crosses in each slice.

Posted by: RGallegos at April 07, 2014 03:34 PM (AVODN)

267 OT, the Senate unanimously passed the legislation introduced by Cruz intending to block Iran's new ambassador to the UN from entering the country. If I'm reading the story right, it's up to Obummer now. I'm not feeling optimistic.

Posted by: Adam at April 07, 2014 03:34 PM (Aif/5)

268 I wonder what the collective right to religion would look like ___ Why that is easy. You can also worship me.

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 07, 2014 03:34 PM (M3hAT)

269 Someone needs to apply for a booth at the Folsom Street Fair promoting AIDS preventing through TOTAL CELIBACY OUTSIDE OF TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE and FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. When they get turned down (laughed at, spat upon), sue the hell out the Folsom nonprofit (the fair is run by a nonprofit organization) citing this Supreme Court decision as the basis. Teh Gayz MUST endorse/enable a belief system and behavior they revile, because SUPREME COURT that's why. And when the Christians in my putative scenario lose, as they will, then you can stick a fork in America, for she is done.

Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 03:34 PM (mizYg)

270 Just need to throw a FU in there to J. Roberts and the dichhole decision to elect him to that position. Remember the last name when Jeb is on the ballot.

Posted by: dogfish at April 07, 2014 03:35 PM (nsOJa)

271 265 @259 My calendar is full. I'm sick. I've retired, the check is in the mail ------------------------ Problem is, from what I understand they typically don't mention that the wedding is same sex until you've already agreed to do it. It's a bit hard to beg out due to having a full calendar *after* you've already stated that you can do it on that date at that time. Posted by: junior at April 07, 2014 07:33 PM (UWFpX) How's about, "my camera got robbed and I don't have insurance?"

Posted by: Iblis at April 07, 2014 03:35 PM (9221z)

272 "My gay nephew, who I hired out of pity for my brother, accidentally exposed all the negatives."

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 07, 2014 03:35 PM (8MjqI)

273 re 271: promoting AIDS preventing = promoting AIDS preventiON Also, to clarify: The nonprofit running Folsom donates all proceeds to AIDS prevention (making the case relevant).

Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 03:36 PM (mizYg)

274 You'd obviously know this better than I, but I'm surprised churches don't already set up booths at the Folsom St Fair. Is that really the case?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 07, 2014 03:36 PM (qKrH5)

275 Gay wedding photography sounds like the kind of niche that could make money.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 07, 2014 03:36 PM (5UteM)

276 Zombie, I admire you so much.

Posted by: Mindy at April 07, 2014 03:37 PM (Ew9Pv)

277 I thought all weddings were ghey.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 03:38 PM (bitz6)

278 210  I have a Q for the lawyers




I'm not a lawyer any longer, but I did fuck a girl at a Holiday Inn Express last night.  The answer to your question is . . . "maybe."

Posted by: Sharkman at April 07, 2014 03:38 PM (TM1p8)

279 "I'm sorry, but I won't be able to shoot your wedding next Saturday. I'll be busy sucking cock."

Posted by: Concerned Christian Photographer at April 07, 2014 03:38 PM (H4aQb)

280 276 You'd obviously know this better than I, but I'm surprised churches don't already set up booths at the Folsom St Fair. Is that really the case? Posted by: bonhomme Uh -- no: http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/IMG_6251.JPG

Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 03:38 PM (mizYg)

281 The only gay weddings are those with a cash bar.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 07, 2014 03:38 PM (5UteM)

282 279 I thought all weddings were ghey. Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 07:38 PM (bitz6) No they're girly. There's nominally a difference.

Posted by: Iblis at April 07, 2014 03:39 PM (9221z)

283 Where's ATC?

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 07, 2014 03:39 PM (5UteM)

284 Dr Spank Thank you. I'm smiling again.

Posted by: dogfish at April 07, 2014 03:39 PM (nsOJa)

285 http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/IMG_6251.JPG ------------ But we are the hateful ones.

Posted by: Adam at April 07, 2014 03:40 PM (Aif/5)

286 Live Free or Die is such an abhorrent sentiment.

Posted by: steevy at April 07, 2014 03:40 PM (zqvg6)

287 Oh please let God do to San Francisco what he did to those cities. Honest question, are you a Christian?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 07, 2014 03:40 PM (qKrH5)

288 I love the idea, zombie. I strangely envision it much the same as when the Christians got in trouble for proselyting at a Muslim public event in Dearborn.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 07, 2014 03:40 PM (3a584)

289 278 Zombie, I admire you so much. Posted by: Mindy Yeah, but what have I done for truth and justice lately?

Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 03:41 PM (mizYg)

290 You pink frosting h8rz should be fired from your jobs.

Posted by: Blozilla at April 07, 2014 03:41 PM (Dwehj)

291
Guess I'm out of a job.

Posted by: "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" sign at April 07, 2014 03:41 PM (mETGQ)

292 I love the idea, zombie. I strangely envision it much the same as when the Christians got in trouble for proselyting at a Muslim public event in Dearborn. Worse than that. They were a few blocks away from the Muslim event.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 07, 2014 03:42 PM (qKrH5)

293

The militant homosexual fascists probably like being referred to as the 'Gay Mafia'.

 

Because it makes them sound...powerful.

 

Same with 'Pink Panthers'...it sounds cute and powerful.

 

So, upon reflection...I'm gonna go with 'Gaystapo'.

'Gaystapo' sounds powerful too, but powerful and Evil.

 

Then again...'Homostapo' is even better.

 

 

 

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 07, 2014 03:42 PM (FWbLS)

294
02/27/2003

Following a sometimes-emotional four-and-a-half-hour debate, the state
Senate on Wednesday approved a bill prohibiting discrimination against
gays and transsexuals. The vote came two days after the House passed similar legislation.

The Senate voted 22 to 18 to pass Senate Bill 28, sponsored by Sen.
Cisco McSorley, D-Albuquerque.

The vote was basically along party lines, with one Democrat, Sen. Lidio
Rainaldi, D-Gallup, joining all present Republicans in voting against
the measure.

The bill would expand the state's Human Rights Act to cover sexual
orientation and gender identity, making it illegal to discriminate
against gays, bisexuals and transsexuals in matters of employment,
housing and public accommodations.

Sen. McSorley disputed Republican warnings that the bill would lead to
frivolous lawsuits and other problems for businesses in the state.



Because that would be unpossible.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 07, 2014 03:42 PM (kdS6q)

295 http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/IMG_6251.JPG Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 07:38 PM (mizYg) Seems like some deities are missing. Guess that was an honest mistake.

Posted by: RWC at April 07, 2014 03:43 PM (QeH9j)

296 Yeah, but what have I done for truth and justice lately? Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 07:41 PM (mizYg) Are you perhaps being too hard on yourself? Me, I teach math with one of my objectives being to help people apply some logic and reasoning to real life.

Posted by: Mindy at April 07, 2014 03:44 PM (Ew9Pv)

297 Further, the left will ACCUSE US of these things *whether or not* we actually say or do them. Yes, and not only will the usual suspects will champion the effort; they will blatantly disregard protocol of apology and correction and usually turn up the heat. Fuck it. Posted by: GMan at April 07, 2014 07:34 PM (72RL7) I have a few (two) ghey extended family members. They were quite aware of my, formerly very sympathetic, stance on the issue. They knew of my support for civil unions . I have informed them that if they do not oppose and actively condemn this current line of attack, they are persona non grata and completely dead to me. Should I outlive them, I will defecate on their fucking graves.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 07, 2014 03:44 PM (f921K)

298 287 But we are the hateful ones. Posted by: Adam They've got a crucified Jesus anal pentrator, the Virgin Mary, Baby Jesus, and even Buddha: http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/IMG_6252.JPG ...but, notably, no Mohammed. As I say in the caption: "Notice how Divine Interventions purposely makes blasphemous dildos mocking all major religions except Islam. It's easy to taunt people that you don't actually fear. I'll start to respect them on the day they make a Mohammed the Penetrator dildo or Anal Probe Allah."

Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 03:44 PM (mizYg)

299 Seems like some deities are missing. Guess that was an honest mistake. Well, YOU try making a "massage wand" out of Vishnu. All those hands poking out at odd angles make that one ... problematic.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 07, 2014 03:45 PM (qKrH5)

300 They should take the photos and superimpose Hitler's and Stalin's face in every shot, vomiting swastikas. There. Done. Force me to do something? Don't expect it to be neutral.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 07, 2014 03:45 PM (Qp0nB)

301 02/27/2003

Following a sometimes-emotional four-and-a-half-hour debate, the state
Senate on Wednesday approved a bill prohibiting discrimination against
gays and transsexuals. The vote came two days after the House passed similar legislation.

The Senate voted 22 to 18 to pass Senate Bill 28, sponsored by Sen.
Cisco McSorley, D-Albuquerque.

Elections have consequences, and this unfortunately was a law that was passed.

We can't expect the Supreme Court to bail us out everytime a bad law is passed.

Posted by: McAdams at April 07, 2014 03:45 PM (JVlsa)

302 >>>Live Free or Die is such an abhorrent sentiment.<<<

That's why in the Age of Obama we've modified this to "Live Free or Shelter in Place."

Posted by: Fritz at April 07, 2014 03:46 PM (oJUxt)

303 Calling 'em like I see 'em.

Posted by: Big John Roberts, Esquire (The Poobah of this Town) at April 07, 2014 03:46 PM (1mtKP)

304 Elections have consequences Except for all the times judicial activism forced us to accept gay marriage.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 03:47 PM (uhAkr)

305 Well, YOU try making a "massage wand" out of Vishnu. All those hands poking out at odd angles make that one ... problematic. Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2014 07:45 PM (qKrH5) Don't be such a socon prude. All holes mist be filled!

Posted by: RWC at April 07, 2014 03:48 PM (QeH9j)

306 Mist/must

Posted by: RWC at April 07, 2014 03:48 PM (QeH9j)

307 302 They should take the photos and superimpose Hitler's and Stalin's face in every shot, vomiting swastikas. There. Done. Force me to do something? Don't expect it to be neutral. Posted by: Inspector Cussword Remember the "liberal" woman photographer hired to take photos of John McCain in 2008? She purposely made him look sinister in every single one. When called on it, she laughed and said, paraphrasing Animal House, "It's the McCain campaign's fault -- they were stupid enough to trust me!" For this, she was hailed as a progressive hero.

Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 03:49 PM (mizYg)

308 You would think they would like a dildo of me. My turbin would give extra pleasure!

Posted by: Mohammad at April 07, 2014 03:49 PM (Aif/5)

309 The new motto of the so called supreme court is: "when the going gets tough . . . quit".

Posted by: rplat at April 07, 2014 03:50 PM (UAHTK)

310 309 302 They should take the photos and superimpose Hitler's and Stalin's face in every shot, vomiting swastikas. There. Done. Force me to do something? Don't expect it to be neutral. Posted by: Inspector Cussword Remember the "liberal" woman photographer hired to take photos of John McCain in 2008? She purposely made him look sinister in every single one. When called on it, she laughed and said, paraphrasing Animal House, "It's the McCain campaign's fault -- they were stupid enough to trust me!" For this, she was hailed as a progressive hero. Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 07:49 PM (mizYg) IIRC she did one where she photoshopped a monkey taking a shit on his head.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2014 03:50 PM (mx5oN)

311 I suspect if she doctored the photos she would get charged with a hate crime of some kind.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 03:52 PM (uhAkr)

312
We can't expect the Supreme Court to bail us out everytime a bad law is passed.
Posted by: McAdams




The New Mexico House passed the Senate Bill 38 with a vote of 39-27.  A bi-partisan vote of 39-27.

We wouldn't need bailing out if the Republicans would stop pouring buckets of water into our little ship of state.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 07, 2014 03:53 PM (kdS6q)

313 "Notice how Divine Interventions purposely makes blasphemous dildos mocking all major religions except Islam. It's easy to taunt people that you don't actually fear."

The Eurohomo community skewed hard left for the longest time. And were big supporters of speeding along the de-Christianizing of Europe by importing large numbers of Mideast muzzies.

Old proverb. Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.

Then, after it was too late, the Eurohomo community then realized that their countries now had a large and growing Islamic subculture who viscerally hated them as a matter of irrefutable religious doctrine, and would do things like beat into comas any gay couple found walking in public in their neighborhoods.

Oh my!

Now when you look at the composition of, say, Geert Wilders' party in the Netherlands, you see a rapidly growing number of gays. Having come to the belated realization that they had been dangerously foolish.

I think it's probably too late for them. It's going to get very uncomfortable in many parts of Europe from now on for uncloseted gays.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 07, 2014 03:53 PM (noWW6)

314 She being the current photographer, not the Winner of the Order of Conspicuous Merit who gloriously fought evil Republican.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 03:53 PM (uhAkr)

315 Also note that the media endlessly repeats the lie that the Supreme Court "legalized gay marriage" in the Prop. 8 case. In fact, just as in this case, they "punted" -- refusing to even hear the case or rule on it, because they determined (in the Prop. 8 case) that no one even had "standing" to sue. So the case was tossed out, and as a result of that the original judge's insane ruling (that gay marriage should be legal because the majority who voted against it had committed thought crimes -- er, "had the wrong motivations") was allowed to stand for all time.

Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 03:53 PM (mizYg)

316 Gay baker + Phred Felps Birthday cake.

Including his most famous phrase.


What could go wrong!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 07, 2014 03:54 PM (hDwVv)

317 319 >>> True, but I could see them losing tax free status in this climate. Yeah, the Catholic Church will absolutely fold if they have to pay .06 tax on every 1.00 of toilet paper they buy. Even though it is every leftists dream to destroy religion by forcing them to pay tax on toilet paper, they should engage in more reality-based fantasies. Posted by: Ugg Boots at April 07, 2014 07:55 PM (oGrEy) No, they'd want them paying federal and state income tax. That's hardly a drop in the bucket.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2014 03:57 PM (mx5oN)

318 Is the Southern Palestine Law Center involved in this case?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 03:57 PM (bitz6)

319 So a photographer can't object to photographing a nude wedding or a wedding where the couple exchange bodily fluids with their vows? Am I getting this right?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 07, 2014 03:57 PM (HLprW)

320 No, they'd want them paying federal and state income tax. That's hardly a drop in the bucket. Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2014 07:57 PM (mx5oN) They'd go underground. They're used to it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 03:57 PM (uhAkr)

321 319, 320 Yep, my point was State and Fed income taxes, not sales tax.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 07, 2014 03:58 PM (ojnk6)

322 How long before doctors are forced to perform abortions and nurses forced to assist? If women have a right to an abortion, will doctors have a right to refuse to perform it? And I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of liberals out there who are in favor of forcing doctors to perform the procedures.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 07, 2014 03:58 PM (dPc6Y)

323 Floyd Corkins was just a few years too early.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 03:58 PM (uhAkr)

324 322 So a photographer can't object to photographing a nude wedding or a wedding where the couple exchange bodily fluids with their vows? Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 07, 2014 07:57 PM (HLprW) Not if they're ghey.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2014 03:58 PM (mx5oN)

325 Didn't the Churches become 501C3?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 03:59 PM (bitz6)

326 "Yeah, the Catholic Church will absolutely fold if they have to pay .06 tax on every 1.00 of toilet paper they buy."

It's not the toilet paper that is the problem.
Think property tax.

Catholic,and Protestant Churches here in Baltimore set on property valued into the millions.
And many of the inner city ones simply can-not come up with the money for a tax bill

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 07, 2014 03:59 PM (hDwVv)

327 See, the Muslims got it figured out. If one of them refused to bake a cake, they'd demand a Sharia judge.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 04:00 PM (uhAkr)

328 And I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of liberals out there who are in favor of forcing doctors to perform the procedures. *sigh* I miss the old days when our Constitution was abided by, and in some cases, even quoted by our representatives in DC.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 07, 2014 04:00 PM (0HooB)

329 No severe weather in the area but the tint outside is a little unsettling. Almost mustard yellow.

Posted by: Adam at April 07, 2014 04:00 PM (Aif/5)

330

317 Also note that the media endlessly repeats the lie that the Supreme Court "legalized gay marriage" in the Prop. 8 case. In fact, just as in this case, they "punted" -- refusing to even hear the case or rule on it, because they determined (in the Prop. 8 case) that no one even had "standing" to sue. So the case was tossed out, and as a result of that the original judge's insane ruling (that gay marriage should be legal because the majority who voted against it had committed thought crimes -- er, "had the wrong motivations") was allowed to stand for all time.

 

Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 07:53 PM (mizYg) 

 

----------

 

Thanks, zombie.

I had wondered about that...because my foggy brain had a vague recollection of that having happened.

 

Prop 8 was the 'will of the people'.

And so...it stands? For the time being, at least? 

 

Here in Oklahoma, we passed a similar law that stated 'Marriage is between a man and a woman'.

But it has been tied up in court now.

 

Other states have passed similar laws.

I suspect they are being challenged in court too.

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 07, 2014 04:00 PM (FWbLS)

331 Voice vote on Obamacare, you guys!

Posted by: John Boehner at April 07, 2014 04:00 PM (uhAkr)

332 >>IIRC she did one where she photoshopped a monkey taking a shit on his head. Posted by: Insomniac Actually, I think I might be OK with that one.

Posted by: Aviator at April 07, 2014 04:00 PM (3rrMW)

333 Photograph the wedding but do it from 500 yards away using a (shitty) telephoto lens.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 07, 2014 04:02 PM (hn5v5)

334 "331 And I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of liberals out there who are in favor of forcing doctors to perform the procedures. " Absolutely. There is a lot of bitching about doctors not being forced to perform abortions in most med schools. It's all really stupid because doctors are taught to perform d&cs in the case of miscarriage, so they know the procedure should any crazy event occur that necessitates it. But, we aren't forcing doctors explicitly to kill, and that is an evil that must be corrected!

Posted by: Lauren at April 07, 2014 04:03 PM (hFL/3)

335 322 So a photographer can't object to photographing a nude wedding or a wedding where the couple exchange bodily fluids with their vows? Am I getting this right? Posted by: Burn the Witch I've been to a pagan wedding where the couple did indeed ***"fuck"*** in front of the guests after taking the vows. (It wasn't really "fucking," but rather a ritual "coupling" of the channeled God and Goddess; only lasted 30 seconds or so.) This wasn't even a regular Wiccan wedding, hut sort kind of OTO/sex-magick offshoot. But yes, to answer your question: As of today, Polly Prude's Perfectly Prissy Photography is COMPELLED BY LAW to photography this event. With a macro lens, up very close.

Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 04:03 PM (mizYg)

336 The courts need to be jerked up be the short and curlies.

Posted by: southdakotaboy at April 07, 2014 04:04 PM (yh4lQ)

337 Expect a wave of the most flamboyant gays staging wild sexy-sex weddings and PURPOSELY hiring the towns' most uptight Christian photographers. Just to rub everyone's noses in it, over and over and over.

Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 04:06 PM (mizYg)

338 I am proud, so proud of this judge for supporting gay Rights unlike Bush who said that only a man and woman married constitutes a real marriage. God loves all peoples and that is why Bush will suffer for being so evil in the eyes of God and President Obama.

Posted by: Dorcus Blimeline at April 07, 2014 04:06 PM (iB0Q2)

339

At this point what does it really matter?

 

Posted by: Hillary Stupid Bitch at April 07, 2014 04:06 PM (pM/vk)

340 But yes, to answer your question: As of today, Polly Prude's Perfectly Prissy Photography is COMPELLED BY LAW to photography this event. With a macro lens, up very close. I hope the woman refuses to pay the fine. I know it's easy for me to say that, but my suspicion is that if she goes to jail, we might see the law change. I just want the pendulum to swing back. If we ever get our hands on the cudgel of government again, I suggest we bludgeon until they weep. We won't, though. The only hill the GOP will die on is bombing a foreign country.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 04:06 PM (uhAkr)

341
So what happens if the photographer shows up late is sick has a family emergency or for some reason takes a long time to get the pictures back? 

Posted by: YIKES! at April 07, 2014 04:06 PM (mETGQ)

342 I got married in a Pentecostal church. If we tried to "couple" on the alter I have no doubt that we would have been struck down by lighting on the spot.

Posted by: Lauren at April 07, 2014 04:07 PM (hFL/3)

343 Oddly enough, I see the private practice of medicine going the same way, only not over a gay or religious principle, but over the basic notion of getting paid for your services. Patient: I'd like an appointment, I have Medicaid Doc's office: We are not accepting new Medicaid patients Patient: I'm going to sue, you are discriminating against me because I'm poor. Courts: You have to see this patient, at a financial loss to your practice, or we will impose a fine or imprisonment. (Note: I am no longer in private practice largely because I saw that handwriting on the wall.)

Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 07, 2014 04:07 PM (g4TxM)

344 Blimeline is a sock, right?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 07, 2014 04:07 PM (oFCZn)

345 Hillary vs. Jeb Everybody loses.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 04:07 PM (bitz6)

346 If the photos don't develop correctly maybe they won't choose him again.

Posted by: LaZrtx at April 07, 2014 04:07 PM (jVM6/)

347 I've been to a pagan wedding where the couple did indeed ***"fuck"*** in front of the guests after taking the vows.
(It wasn't really "fucking," but rather a ritual "coupling" of the channeled God and Goddess; only lasted 30 seconds or so.)
This wasn't even a regular Wiccan wedding, hut sort kind of OTO/sex-magick offshoot.
But yes, to answer your question: As of today, Polly Prude's Perfectly Prissy Photography is COMPELLED BY LAW to photography this event. With a macro lens, up very close.
Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 08:03 PM (mizYg)


Craziness. Were their parents there? Pics?

Posted by: mugiwara at April 07, 2014 04:08 PM (3a584)

348 Give'em a waterproof Polaroid and let'em run fucking wild.

Bravo sir,

I was thinking drunk, sloppy, knocking over the cake and Wow they sure is a bunchafroots roun heah yelled repeatedly.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 07, 2014 04:08 PM (DL2i+)

349 Well, YOU try making a "massage wand" out of Vishnu. All those hands poking out at odd angles make that one ... problematic. Just make it large enough and you've got a six-person Sybian.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 07, 2014 04:08 PM (lr3d7)

350 347 Dorcus has to be a sock.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 07, 2014 04:08 PM (ojnk6)

351 One Nazi Wedding Cake to Go, Please http://takimag.com/article/one_nazi_wedding_cake_to_go_please_jim_goad/print#axzz2uvyB5nLr

Posted by: thudlike at April 07, 2014 04:08 PM (bjXwX)

352 I think the government will start testing children, taking intelligent ones, 'conscripting' them into a military medical corps, and then force them to see patients. After a thirty year stint they'll be allowed to retire, having fought the "War against Disease." Atlas Has No Mouth, and He Must Scream.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 04:09 PM (uhAkr)

353 Dorcus is the male Mary

Posted by: RWC at April 07, 2014 04:09 PM (QeH9j)

354 I've been to a pagan wedding where the couple did indeed ***"fuck"*** in front of the guests after taking the vows. (It wasn't really "fucking," but rather a ritual "coupling" of the channeled God and Goddess; only lasted 30 seconds or so.) Ugh. Most of the pagans that I've met who are into that crap are the last people who should be seen without their clothes.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 07, 2014 04:10 PM (lr3d7)

355 Would someone get them a Star Trek NG Borg episode? Please.

Posted by: Zombie Gene Roddenberry at April 07, 2014 04:10 PM (nsOJa)

356 343 We won't, though. The only hill the GOP will die on is bombing a foreign country. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 08:06 PM (uhAkr) Recently, I did think to myself what the GOP would fight for. Bevel you answered the $64 question

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 07, 2014 04:10 PM (HVff2)

357 355 Dude. What's so very hard about tinyurl?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 07, 2014 04:10 PM (ojnk6)

358 'Splodey margins!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 07, 2014 04:10 PM (oFCZn)

359 We see all these polls, let's try a few other questions: "Should individuals be forced to work for gay weddings if it violates their religious beliefs?" "Should churches be forced to perform gay weddings if it violates their religious beliefs?" Wonder how those would poll, eh? Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 07:06 PM (tVTLU) http://tinyurl.com/cj7mdug 27% of (surveyed) Americans disagree that a pastor should be able to refuse to officiate a same-sex wedding. If that number is indicative of reality, it's rather frightening. 27% is a minority, but we've seen just how powerful a vocal minority can be.

Posted by: Hal at April 07, 2014 04:11 PM (2wZs/)

360

Judge Rules Gay League Can Limit Number of Bisexual/Heterosexual Players

'A federal judge ruled Thursday that a gay softball league can limit the number of heterosexuals on its teams, the Courthouse News Service reports.

The ruling was announced after three bisexual men claimed they were kicked out of the Gay Softball World Series for not being gay enough and filed a lawsuit in Washington state against the North American Gay Amateur Athletic Association.

The three men, playing for a San Francisco softball team, were challenged on their sexuality by a rival team, citing a rule that limits no more than two heterosexuals on a team.
The men claim they were “summoned to a hearing room to answer questions about their sexual interests or attractions,” according to the Courthouse News Service.

The men said they were told that “this is the Gay World Series, not the Bisexual World Series.”

U.S. District Court Judge John Coughenour struck down the lawsuit.

“Plaintiffs have failed to argue that there is a compelling state interest in allowing heterosexuals to play gay softball,” Coughenour wrote, according to the Courthouse News Service.

“It is not the role of the courts to scrutinize the content of an organization’s chosen expression.”

...except when it is...evidently.

http://tinyurl.com/q5pscbh

Posted by: SoRo at April 07, 2014 04:11 PM (ArL9E)

361 348 Hillary vs. Jeb I predict voter turnout on the low teens.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 07, 2014 04:11 PM (8MjqI)

362 Craziness. Were their parents there? Pics? Posted by: mugiwara I don't document my private life -- only public events! So -- not pics. Parents in the audience. Dunno. Probably.

Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 04:11 PM (mizYg)

363 Humorous? Or a tale of HORROR! http://sweasel.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/jauntyballs.html

Posted by: Mickey Pug at April 07, 2014 04:12 PM (vFh9Q)

364 Solo shot first.

Posted by: Wi Tu Low at April 07, 2014 04:12 PM (bitz6)

365 SoRo, keep small in the Barrel.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 07, 2014 04:12 PM (ojnk6)

366
Posted by: SoRo at April 07, 2014 08:11 PM (ArL9E)

We reserved a barrel for you.

Posted by: YIKES! at April 07, 2014 04:13 PM (mETGQ)

367 The barrel awaits, SoRo.

Posted by: Can I Get Outta This Barrel Now? at April 07, 2014 04:14 PM (H4aQb)

368 Posted by: SoRo at April 07, 2014 08:11 PM (ArL9E) Ro-or, SoRo in the barrel

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 07, 2014 04:15 PM (HVff2)

369 293
Guess I'm out of a job.

Posted by: "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" sign at April 07, 2014 07:41 PM (mETGQ)

Dude, we could go into business!

Posted by: Hole in The Desert at April 07, 2014 04:15 PM (x3YFz)

370 Can we haz a new thread? People keep on fcuking this one up.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 07, 2014 04:15 PM (ojnk6)

371 I'm watching Frozen.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 04:15 PM (bitz6)

372 I would ask for an NCAA Championship game thread but then I realized I don't really care. :: sniff :: Badgers :: sniff ::

Posted by: grammie winger at April 07, 2014 04:16 PM (oMKp3)

373 Can we haz Kentucky Wildcat thread at 21:00 ish?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 04:16 PM (bitz6)

374 So, at this wedding where the betrothed were having sex: where, exactly, was the ringbearer standing?

Posted by: Hairy Reed at April 07, 2014 04:16 PM (H4aQb)

375 376 I would ask for an NCAA Championship game thread but then I realized I don't really care. :: sniff :: Badgers :: sniff :: Posted by: grammie winger at April 07, 2014 08:16 PM (oMKp3) I hear ya Grammie. At least they've made final 4, twice in my life

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 07, 2014 04:17 PM (HVff2)

376 PS. Kentucky can go suck eggs.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 07, 2014 04:17 PM (oMKp3)

377 Laws like this are an invitation for someone to make a living as a grievance monger. Take the instance of the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act), where you have someone wheelchair bound driving around hunting businesses that don't have full wheelchair access so they can sue them.
 
Clint Eastwood is very familiar with this strategy as he chose to fight:
 
http://overlawyered.com/topics/disab.html

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 07, 2014 04:17 PM (cHZB7)

378 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 07, 2014 08:17 PM (HVff2) Ya, they done good. Nothing to be ashamed of there.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 07, 2014 04:18 PM (oMKp3)

379 Kentucky can go suck eggs. Posted by: grammie winger at April 07, 2014 08:17 PM (oMKp3) Yeah I pretty much have zero interest in who wins this game tonight. If Wisconsin had made it I could root for them because Big 10.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 07, 2014 04:18 PM (oFCZn)

380 "Oddly enough, I see the private practice of medicine going the same way, only not over a gay or religious principle, but over the basic notion of getting paid for your services."

So we now have a ton of people who have "enrolled" for Obamacare. Without yet actually paying. There's huge federal pressure on insurers to honor those policies regardless, on the grounds that hey, these folks will eventually pay. And the insurers have been told by Sebelius that they will not have to make good on unreimbursed outlays.

Thus: J. Random Deadbeat signs up for Obamacare without paying. The insurer issues him a card. He goes to Dr. Friendly's office for care. Later, Mr. Deadbeat still hasn't paid up on his Obamacare policy. And won't, because he feels better after receiving care. The insurer cancels his policy.

Dr. Friendly's staff call the insurer for payment on the receivable. They're denied. The insurer's claims processing department say, "Call Washington D.C., not we," and hang up.

Question: how much longer will Dr. Friendly's private practice remain open?

Posted by: torquewrench at April 07, 2014 04:19 PM (noWW6)

381 http://yify.tv/frozen/

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2014 04:20 PM (bitz6)

382 If Wisconsin had made it I could root for them because Big 10. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 07, 2014 08:18 PM (oFCZn) I knew there was a reason you were a decent moron

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 07, 2014 04:20 PM (HVff2)

383 Eff it, I need to win the freaking lottery. And when I do, I will find every frickin lefty small business owner in the country and hire them against their pet causes. Hello, you're a gay baker? I've got a nice pro-traditional marriage seminar that we need a cake for. Oh, an environmentalist? Would you mind designing the posters for my Keystone pipeline support rally? We want lots of images of oil refineries in a positive light, you know. Ooh, a feminist! We need flowers for the domesticated housewives association. Pacifist? We need to rent out your place for a bunch of Marine Snipers. They all want to brag about their best kill. You're black? The Klan has an anniversary coming up. You're a member of PETA? The local slaughterhouse is celebrating their 1 millionth carcass. Please provide a bacon cake shaped like a decapitated cow please. Maybe THAT will get people to take the First Amendment seriously again. Let them own this travesty.

Posted by: SkepticalMI at April 07, 2014 04:20 PM (Jc3Ea)

384 Question: how much longer will Dr. Friendly's private practice remain open? As long as the State compels him. He is a serf or vassal, like any outside of the Protected Classes.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 04:21 PM (uhAkr)

385
You can photo shoot my cuchi at any time honey.

Posted by: Jenna Jameson at April 07, 2014 04:21 PM (nQjHM)

386 From now on my resume will read:

Gay, athiest, global warmer, 1-legged black woman who seeks social justice.

#score

Posted by: tangonine at April 07, 2014 04:22 PM (x3YFz)

387 Just out of random curiosity, how far away are we from being able to genetically test an unborn child and determine if it is "transgender"?

The next step would then be to correct the mistake while the child is in the womb, saving the adult numerous operations to change their gender.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 07, 2014 04:23 PM (AC0lD)

388

@317 Also note that the media endlessly repeats the lie that the Supreme Court "legalized gay marriage" in the Prop. 8 case. In fact, just as in this case, they "punted" -- refusing to even hear the case or rule on it, because they determined (in the Prop. 8 case) that no one even had "standing" to sue. So the case was tossed out, and as a result of that the original judge's insane ruling (that gay marriage should be legal because the majority who voted against it had committed thought crimes -- er, "had the wrong motivations") was allowed to stand for all time.

----------------------

 

Just as classic was the reasoning by the majority in the California Supreme Court case that caused a need for Prop 8 in the first place.  The Court's justification was that the because the people had decided to allow civil unions for same sex couples, not allowing same sex couples to get married was a violation of the state constitution.

Posted by: junior at April 07, 2014 04:23 PM (UWFpX)

389 >>(Note: I am no longer in private practice largely because I saw that handwriting on the wall.) Posted by: S. Muldoon Yeah, me too.

Posted by: Aviator at April 07, 2014 04:24 PM (3rrMW)

390 391 Just out of random curiosity, how far away are we from being able to genetically test an unborn child and determine if it is "transgender"?

The next step would then be to correct the mistake while the child is in the womb, saving the adult numerous operations to change their gender.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 07, 2014 08:23 PM (AC0lD)

Well, the test we had in the 80's was throw a football at it.

Guess that's not very scientific, but time has proven it's pretty damn tight.

Posted by: tangonine at April 07, 2014 04:24 PM (x3YFz)

391 Eff it, I need to win the freaking lottery. And when I do, I will find every frickin lefty small business owner in the country and hire them against their pet causes. You go right ahead. I'll be on my private island sipping one of those drinks with an umbrella in the top. Engage? Nope. Divorce.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 07, 2014 04:25 PM (0HooB)

392 From now on my resume will read: Gay, athiest, global warmer, 1-legged black woman who seeks social justice. #score Posted by: tangonine at April 07, 2014 08:22 PM (x3YFz) Forgot the Spanish surname for the win! Also you might want to replace atheist with muz although it might cause you other problems!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 07, 2014 04:26 PM (o3MSL)

393 I suppose you could try photographing only sacramental marriages within your own church.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at April 07, 2014 04:26 PM (5xmd7)

394 The three men, playing for a San Francisco softball team, were challenged on their sexuality by a rival team, citing a rule that limits no more than two heterosexuals on a team. Not fair! You don't throw like a girl!?

Posted by: garrett at April 07, 2014 04:28 PM (2bPYY)

395 Posted by: tangonine at April 07, 2014 08:24 PM (x3YFz)

Yeah, but it's tough for the unborn to catch the football.

Good post birth test though.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 07, 2014 04:28 PM (AC0lD)

396 Engage? Nope. Divorce. Quite honestly I think the red states need to divorce the blue ones. I don't mean a bloody conflagration. I mean an orderly disassociation. A refusal to collect and pay taxes to Washington. A refusal to send representatives. Entering into a new union and returning to the Constitution as written. The left can't pay for an occupation force and a welfare state, especially after most of the red states are gone.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 04:28 PM (uhAkr)

397 Nood

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 07, 2014 04:29 PM (ojnk6)

398 395 You go right ahead. I'll be on my private island sipping one of those drinks with an umbrella in the top. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 07, 2014 08:25 PM (0HooB) Isn't that kinda ghey?

Posted by: rickl at April 07, 2014 04:30 PM (sdi6R)

399

@391 Just out of random curiosity, how far away are we from being able to genetically test an unborn child and determine if it is "transgender"?

The next step would then be to correct the mistake while the child is in the womb, saving the adult numerous operations to change their gender.

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You would need to identify a genetic marker in adults first.  And that hasn't occurred.  We haven't even identified a genetic marker for same sex attraction.

Although if we ever do, it'll be rather interesting to be sitting on the sidelines for once as a rather violent fight breaks out on the other side...  Pro-choice on one side versus the gay lobby on the other.

 

Posted by: junior at April 07, 2014 04:30 PM (UWFpX)

400 Wonder if they have any Lon Horiuchis at the Bureau of Land Management. http://tinyurl.com/nz4oeoh “What’s happening is they had stole cattle from me and now they have taken their prisoner,” the father said. “Davy is a political prisoner. That’s what you want to call him — he’s a political prisoner.” Earlier Monday, more than 100 people gathered on private property in northeast Clark County after Cliven Bundy sent out an ominous announcement, promising a war and inviting the press to come cover it. So far, though, it’s been more rally than war. The group has made posters, heard speakers and plans to raise a huge banner near the Riverside bridge crossing the Virgin River. Their messages include that Bundy is being targeted, the federal government is overstepping its authority and trampling freedom.

Posted by: RWC at April 07, 2014 04:31 PM (QeH9j)

401 If Wisconsin had made it I could root for them because Big 10. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 07, 2014 08:18 PM (oFCZn) I knew there was a reason you were a decent moron Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 07, 2014 08:20 PM (HVff2) Well Nebraska is in the same conference. We beat Wisconsin in the last game of regular season and then lost to them in the conference tourney. I'll support the conference. Tonight's game will be boring.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 07, 2014 04:31 PM (oFCZn)

402 Honest question, are you a Christian?

Not a good one.

God can forgive them, because I can't.  I've tried, and failed, many many times.

Posted by: GMan at April 07, 2014 04:32 PM (72RL7)

403
Yeah, but it's tough for the unborn to catch the football.

Good post birth test though.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 07, 2014 08:28 PM (AC0lD)

It's a matter of pushing through obstacles!

Posted by: tangonine at April 07, 2014 04:34 PM (x3YFz)

404 Isn't that kinda ghey? Only if it's served in a coconut shell. Straight Valu-Rite tends to dissolve the bottom of the little umbrella.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 07, 2014 04:34 PM (0HooB)

405 Quite honestly I think the red states need to divorce the blue ones. I don't mean a bloody conflagration. I mean an orderly disassociation. A refusal to collect and pay taxes to Washington. A refusal to send representatives. Entering into a new union and returning to the Constitution as written. There's no way you have peaceable separation. It gets very bloody very quickly. Especially if you attempt to do it unilaterally. However, one of the reasons that I like the idea of an Article V convention is that the left will not be able to restrain itself in the face of a chance to gain everything it wants, and thus it's the best time to try and make the case for divorce. Propose an amendment that reads "The United States of America is hereby dissolved at noon, DD MMM YYYY." That might be your best hope for a somewhat orderly separation, since a lot of people on the left would be happy at the thought of getting rid of all those fly-over-state hicks.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 07, 2014 04:38 PM (lr3d7)

406 Posted by: junior at April 07, 2014 08:30 PM (UWFpX)

When we do...

And it sounds like a plan.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 07, 2014 04:40 PM (AC0lD)

407 You would need to identify a genetic marker in adults first. And that hasn't occurred. We haven't even identified a genetic marker for same sex attraction. Although if we ever do, it'll be rather interesting to be sitting on the sidelines for once as a rather violent fight breaks out on the other side... Pro-choice on one side versus the gay lobby on the other. There is no single genetic marker, IMHO, and if there was something found the gay-rights lobby wouldn't oppose abortion, they'd simply change arguments and start making the claim that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. The "born this way" argument was always tactical, not philosophical. They'd love to be able to openly recruit.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 07, 2014 04:40 PM (lr3d7)

408 Infowars craps the bed again with the Cliven Bundy story.

Dude made the claim that since his Mormon ancestors worked Fed land, he didn't need to pay the grazing fee for his cattle.  A judge ruled that since he owed a large sum and was grazing illegally, his cattle were forfeit

His supporters posted things about a range war. Feds got froggy.

Yeah and Lon Hariuchi should be in jail at minimum.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at April 07, 2014 04:43 PM (IVgIK)

409 Posted by: typo dynamofo at April 07, 2014 08:43 PM (IVgIK) Thanks for,the clarification

Posted by: RWC at April 07, 2014 04:46 PM (QeH9j)

410 What pisses me off the most the hypocracy. If this was a general rule that if you offer a general service, you can not turn down any business based on content, then that would be one thing (it'd be wrong, but at least it would apply equally to both sides of the issue). But this is forcing some people to endorse the beliefs of a different set of people, but not visa versa. Could a straight couple demand a gay baker make a wedding cake that incuded the wording "sacred union that only a man and woman could have"? Could a bunch of KKK members buy out a cruise ship that was hosting some type of gay shindig? Going beyond that, can White Supremacists force a black baker to bake a cake for their birthday? After all, the baker would offer birthday cakes, and the baker shouldn' be able to discriminate against them because they are White or celebrating Whiteness?

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 07, 2014 04:53 PM (CTCNK)

411 We need to eat the populists.

Posted by: Corona at April 07, 2014 04:59 PM (fh2Y7)

412 63 Again I ask: has the shooting started yet? And if not, why not? Careful...that might not be cool Posted by: GMan at April 07, 2014 06:52 PM (72RL7) It ain't cool to bring back indentured servitude either.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at April 07, 2014 04:59 PM (7aJyE)

413 I'd photoshop some bible passages and Christian symbology in tio every fucking photo, visible only with a magnifying glass. I'd also photoshop them to look about 20 pounds heavier.

Posted by: model_1066 at April 07, 2014 05:18 PM (tNrYO)

414 Isn't this Freedom of Association, too? Wasn't that tossed out the window with all of the "civil rights" laws? I know people will get upset about this, but wasn't the slippery slope decades ago? The odd thing is, though, that in the past churches wouldn't be forced to hire atheists or people on another faith, but would be forced to hire women or blacks or whatever. Am I right in the last sentence before this?

Posted by: Baldy at April 07, 2014 05:19 PM (2bql3)

415 So as a white guy, I figure I'm a shoo-in for a "black studies" professorship somewhere. Whatever that is. And why do muslims get to do shit like not give cab rides to infidels with booze or even seeing-eye dogs? Do I have to slap a bitch?

Posted by: model_1066 at April 07, 2014 05:21 PM (tNrYO)

416

Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 08:06 PM (mizYg)

 

how many other states have sexual orientation as a protected class? seems the problem is the NM law and the governor could just grant her a pardon.

Posted by: rich@gmu at April 07, 2014 05:41 PM (RhQvZ)

417 lol ... 420.

Posted by: rich@gmu at April 07, 2014 05:41 PM (RhQvZ)

418 shoot everyone has moved on to the other thread.

Posted by: rich@gmu at April 07, 2014 05:46 PM (RhQvZ)

419 Eff it, I need to win the freaking lottery. And when I do, I will find every frickin lefty small business owner in the country and hire them against their pet causes.

Got a better idea. Buy up a foreign country, and populate it with pissed off, armed people that actually believe in the Constitution. Any lefties that show up and demand accommodation for their culture are declared legal to hunt.

This case pissed me off back when it started. No money was exchanged, no contract was signed, no promises were made. It was a polite refusal. But that's not good enough for the LGBTOMGWTFBBQ community.

Posted by: NR Pax at April 07, 2014 05:53 PM (owgCK)

420 Got a better idea. Buy up a foreign country, and populate it with pissed off, armed people that actually believe in the Constitution. Any lefties that show up and demand accommodation for their culture are declared legal to hunt. This case pissed me off back when it started. No money was exchanged, no contract was signed, no promises were made. It was a polite refusal. But that's not good enough for the LGBTOMGWTFBBQ community. Posted by: NR Pax at April 07, 2014 09:53 PM (owgCK) Let's filibuster Belize

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 07, 2014 06:08 PM (AymDN)

421 Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2014 08:06 PM (mizYg) how many other states have sexual orientation as a protected class? seems the problem is the NM law and the governor could just grant her a pardon. Posted by: rich@gmu at April 07, 2014 09:41 PM (RhQvZ) My understanding is that 29 states have passed sexual orientation discrimination laws. And the gay lobby is hard at work getting the balance to pass the same laws.

Posted by: Jen at April 07, 2014 08:09 PM (CGsAX)

422 Okay, now that they have to take pics, assuming they have to surrender their lens cap, thye can now challenge based on previous law, i.e. the women pharmacists at Ralph's Thriftway in Olympia, WA who refused to dispense the "Morning After Pill"- RU-48, based on religious conscience grounds. IT IS NEVER OVER UNTIL IT IS OVER. Back in 2012 they won a case that exempted they as well as Ralph's private family owners (religious conservatives, I presume) from participating in the abortion inducing sale of abortifacients  to would be customers based on religious conscience grounds.


http://tinyurl.com/oaml4fs

Posted by: Rex B at April 07, 2014 09:26 PM (OXzvH)

423 can someone explain to me 1) why the names of the gheys involved in this kind of lawsuits are not publick 2) why there wasn't a mass movement to boycott the fucking businesses of those idiotic gheys? (unless they all are unemployed or work for the government 3) while we are at it, why not boycotting all businesses owned by ghey people?

Posted by: fromabroad at April 07, 2014 09:54 PM (rnV3B)

424 4) also I suppose all the ghey couples that have sued have already divorced by now

Posted by: fromabroad at April 07, 2014 09:56 PM (rnV3B)

425 fromabroad, that's the point and why the right loses so much.

A dose of their own medicine. Why not force a ghey baker to make a cake with Leviticus quotes and or damning homosexuality?

Also, the right loses since their judges are minimalists. If this constitutional question were reversed, the 4 liberals on the court WOULD have granted cert. We supposedly have 5 and could not get it. It should have been taken up. We know the leftists on the court will agree not to, since they already got the result they favor, but there's no excuse for the 5 other robes...

Posted by: Mehow at April 07, 2014 10:18 PM (Lz2tG)

426 I mean is it so hard not to patronize businesses run by gheys? I can understand not being willing to give up your Queen records (also because you have already paid them) but damn, I would feel uncomfortable getting my hair done by a member of the gheystapo. Hell I would feel uncomfortable receiving a medical consultation too. Is it so difficult to avoid them? Damn I was able to avoid a consultant at my bank because he was a fucking unashamed communist, why is it so hard to avoid businesses run by gheys? are there so many? I find a lot of hair stylist run by women

Posted by: fromabroad at April 07, 2014 10:47 PM (rnV3B)

427 also, they found a medicine that prevents AIDS, so please stop talking about aids as a deadly disease. It is currently used by ghey porn stars so that they can shoot videos without condom. The ghey community is already jumping in happiness since this means they can go back screwing senselessly as in the 70s. I am not able to post a link (how do you do tinyurl?) but it is written on queerty in the interview with pornographer Micheal Lucas. Find the interview and read that aids is not an issue anymore so stop sending money for aids research! It is a manufactured disease surely less deadly than ASL or cancer

Posted by: fromabroad at April 07, 2014 10:50 PM (rnV3B)

428 The Supreme Court is simply a rubber stamp for Obama.

Posted by: burt at April 08, 2014 04:18 AM (1+kJ5)

429 Keep it up, twinks.  Someday you'll kick the old American mutt one too many times and then it's going to be All Chips In.  I told you and I told you.  Look at you now.

Posted by: Todd Bridges, first to go bad, last to go down at April 08, 2014 05:44 AM (qL20/)

430 What's the big deal. Just cut everyone's head off in the pictures. They won't soon be back.

Posted by: paulejb at April 08, 2014 07:20 AM (vWTGV)

431

In such a subjective field as photography... bonhomme has it right

I wouldn't go that far, but I would absolutely take uninspired photographs. Nothing artsy. Group shots, shots of people greeting the couple, shots of people on the dance floor, everything acceptable, but nothing better than an amateur could have done.

Also institute a policy/signed contract...no refunds ..cost it out to cover your time at the "wedding"  ...worst case, they will not order reprints

Posted by: jimf at April 08, 2014 08:15 AM (A23Tv)

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