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June 29, 2013

Susan Rice - Snowden is no big deal
— Purple Avenger

"I don't think the diplomatic consequences, at least as they are foreseeable now, are that significant,"

Others have previously said its the most damaging leak ever in US history.

I've been running some mental scenarios about the Rice remark, and I think I agree with her. Let me explain...

Suppose you were someone who had a vast quantity of choice data, data that extended beyond what we even suspect per the Snowden "leak"?

Suppose you wanted to use that data as a bargaining chip to get cooperation from other nations all over the world? Pretty much everyone has various and sundry problems with local malcontents, criminal organizations, and so on, right? Triads, drug smugglers, Red Brigades, skin heads, and of course terrorists.

Cutting a secret deal with those governments pre-Snowden might be a dicier proposition, since the other government might be kinda leaky themselves. With Snowden out in the open, you don't have to really worry about capability leaks per se from dozens of deals. That you can do "stuff" is already out in the open, although the actual extent of "stuff" is still unknown.

In a post-Snowden era, you don't have to seek out those partners; now they're seeking us out. They're the ones coming hat in hand begging to get in on the deal...which puts us in a stronger position.

Of course they'll mouth public denunciations and what not for appearance sake, but behind the scenes, the cables are probably being run and routers installed right now.

So, was Snowden a "leaker", or a prospectus? Rice's remark is making me believe he was a prospectus.

Nothing is ever as it seems

Posted by: Purple Avenger at 01:23 PM | Comments (105)
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1 Thank you!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 29, 2013 01:24 PM (jjvz+)

2 I hope Purp's last line didn't center the post

Posted by: Harry Reid is a pederast at June 29, 2013 01:24 PM (Pr6hk)

3 Purp fix the previous thread formatting, and then clean up comment 421 on the thread below that.

Posted by: buzzion at June 29, 2013 01:24 PM (LI48c)

4 Just face it -- We got snowed... en. It was a red herring and we swallowed it right up.

Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at June 29, 2013 01:25 PM (1WM2H)

5 Stomp that open thread, stomp it good.

Posted by: toby928© at June 29, 2013 01:25 PM (QupBk)

6 Reposting.. because this always happens to me. I post something and a new thread opens up. I demand to be heard dammit!!! I had a panic attack yesterday. Never happened to me before in my life, but there I was, heard pounding, palms sweating, heart pumping and so little confidence in myself I couldn't even get on the freeway. Took the long way to visit my mom. I can really sympathize with people now, who are afflicted with this.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at June 29, 2013 01:26 PM (u25eL)

7 Top.Men. We're in the very best of hands.

Posted by: toby928© at June 29, 2013 01:26 PM (QupBk)

8 Rice is an idiot so I give her zero credit for anything.

Posted by: Vic at June 29, 2013 01:26 PM (lZvxr)

9 The spy or the liar. Whom to side with? Hmmmm?

Posted by: Rich at June 29, 2013 01:27 PM (k9ITi)

10 Then tell that to Feinstein you lying bitch.

Posted by: tony redenzo at June 29, 2013 01:27 PM (LwRkC)

11 Please expunge the offensive comment by "Torqued" at 421 on the break-in thread.

Posted by: logprof at June 29, 2013 01:28 PM (fOFYL)

12 Go with the simple explanation; Snowden saw some juicy stuff that would make a name for himself, and he went for it.

Now everyone is trying to spin it to their own advantage.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 29, 2013 01:28 PM (9VNGM)

13 hey if there's anybody I immediately get the difference of total credibility to its Susan Rice and Barack Obama administration benefit of the doubt what doubt

Posted by: sven10077 at June 29, 2013 01:28 PM (zi1IL)

14 If you wanted to manipulate your political enemies, control the 'news,' and ram through your radical agenda, what would you do differently than Obama?

Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at June 29, 2013 01:29 PM (052zE)

15 concurrent compositions = stompy...

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 29, 2013 01:29 PM (/gHaE)

16 6>>> Xanax

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 29, 2013 01:30 PM (57bzg)

17 "I don't think the diplomatic consequences, at least as they are foreseeable now, are that significant,"
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On the other hand, Rosen's item was 'significant'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 29, 2013 01:30 PM (aDwsi)

18 >>> had a panic attack yesterday. Yeah, I am new to the club too. I started exercising EVERY day after my recent panic attack. It has helped me SO much. They really kick your ass. Just intense. Strangely enough, I feel like I have a second chance to get my shit together. Make it a positive experience if you can.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at June 29, 2013 01:31 PM (QCc6B)

19 where are the snowdens of yesteryear?

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at June 29, 2013 01:31 PM (8JJ6O)

20 The biggest damage the Snowden affair has caused, is demonstrating explicitly how toothless, incompetent, and powerless the SCoaMF really is. Who ever replaces Obama will have to do something like what Nixon did in '69: He flew H-bomb loaded B-52's on the edge of Soviet space and acted like he didn't give a s**t. Kissinger then played the "good cop" role by warning the Soviets that they needed to be really nice or else they may inadvertently set-off Nixon. Personally I like the idea of inviting Putin, Xi Jinping, or the Taliban leaders over for a nice chat where they will be served drinks in goblet made from the skulls of our enemies.

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 29, 2013 01:31 PM (Vk2pI)

21 I wouldn't credit the Obama administration for coming up with a scheme like this either. This would have been rippled up out of one of the agencies. Obama may have approved it, but it wouldn't have been a top down deal.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 29, 2013 01:32 PM (/gHaE)

22 Forgive me if I refuse to take Susan Rice's word for it on this matter. She is dumber than a rock quite frankly. In this instance she may be correct, but I'll base my opinion on anyone but Ms. Rice's words.

Posted by: NotCoach at June 29, 2013 01:32 PM (NJNBv)

23 Personally I like the idea of inviting Putin, Xi Jinping, or the Taliban leaders over for a nice chat where they will be served drinks in goblet made from the skulls of our enemies. Go Longshanks on them. A nice World Peace Conference in NYC, and string them up.

Posted by: toby928© at June 29, 2013 01:33 PM (QupBk)

I don't wanna click on that Huffpo link...

But which "diplomatic consequences" was she talking about?

That other countries won't extradite someone to us?

Or..

That it's now confirmed how much our govt is spying on the world?

Posted by: wheatie at June 29, 2013 01:33 PM (Jw4kG)

25 Maybe it was just living in the hellhole of Maryland made him snap.

Posted by: Big Ben at June 29, 2013 01:33 PM (I5Htn)

26 Rice's word has nothing to do with the workability of the scenario. The scenario may well be an after the fact salvage operation too.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 29, 2013 01:34 PM (/gHaE)

27 As far I'm concerned, Obama is The Visible Hand. His fingerprints are on everything.

Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at June 29, 2013 01:34 PM (vyPsz)

28 Personally I like the idea of inviting Putin, Xi Jinping, or the Taliban leaders over for a nice chat where they will be served drinks in goblet made from the skulls of our enemies. Go Longshanks on them. A nice World Peace Conference in NYC, and string them up. Posted by: toby928Â© at June 29, 2013 05:33 PM (QupBk) And then we drink out of goblets made from the skulls of our enemies?

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 29, 2013 01:34 PM (Vk2pI)

29 Wow, I forgot today is 30 years since Joe Delaney's death.

For those upset about thuggery in the NFL today, his story is always a pick-me-up: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/29/remembering-joe-delaney-29-years-later/

Posted by: logprof at June 29, 2013 01:34 PM (fOFYL)

30 Its not as bad as some of the leaks in the past decade. The democrat mole in the State Dept. that leaked that we were tracking Bin Laden via his satellite phone kind of cost about a trillion dollars by my scientific calculations.

Posted by: UWP at June 29, 2013 01:34 PM (r98SZ)

31 They really kick your ass. Just intense. Strangely enough, I feel like I have a second chance to get my shit together. Make it a positive experience if you can. Posted by: Eaton Cox
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I have had it happen once when I awoke (awakened?) during the night. Had to go outside into the cool night and open sky to shake it off.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 29, 2013 01:34 PM (aDwsi)

32 non-aligned? so this the the marco rubio of ace threads? like switzerland but less of a neutral thing and more of a whore thing?

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 29, 2013 01:34 PM (Z9EHQ)

33 Of course there are countless ripple effects from a breach as serious as Snowden's. Some may prove less harmful than others, or even somehow beneficial. But even Snowden doesn't know everything he turned over when they presumably duplicated his many computers.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 29, 2013 01:35 PM (ZshNr)

34 But which "diplomatic consequences" was she talking about?

We'll find out in about 6 months. If other countries suddenly start being more cooperative...

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 29, 2013 01:35 PM (/gHaE)

35 Susan Rice is a filthy bint.

Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2013 01:35 PM (8lmkt)

36 jewells45: Any particular reason you know of for panicking? If none, just to get all mystical for a moment, you never know what trouble might've lurked in the path not taken. Listen to your Inner Voice kinda thing? This may be utterly unrelated and irrelevant, but... I was a passenger at night on a two-lane in Texas, and my "mind" told me, crawl in the back seat before you fall asleep, but I wanted to keep the driver company (asleep? right). When I awoke, the dashboard had reworked my face. Most of the blood, though, belonged to the horse. I try to listen more carefully after that one.

Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at June 29, 2013 01:36 PM (U13jb)

37 And then we drink out of goblets made from the skulls of our enemies? I really did want Bin Laden's polished skull encased in Amber as relic of the Presidency. Every new president would have to take the Oath of Office with his right hand on the Bible, and the Orb of Vengence in the left.

Posted by: toby928© at June 29, 2013 01:36 PM (QupBk)

38 Thank you, purp. Now I don't have to off myself.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at June 29, 2013 01:37 PM (DVPta)

39 And congrats to Purp for showing off how to close a centered tag.

Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at June 29, 2013 01:37 PM (U13jb)

40 Forgive me if I refuse to take Susan Rice's word for it on this matter. She is dumber than a rock quite frankly. Yeah those igneous cracka's over there don now shit!

Posted by: Metamorphic Rock at June 29, 2013 01:39 PM (57bzg)

41 I usually use a div tag with align="centered" option.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 29, 2013 01:39 PM (/gHaE)

42 The leak of the 'keyhole' KH11 satellite technical specs back in the day was a bad one. The Soviets knew we had sats in orbit, but didn't know what they could do.

The Pentagon Papers was a public relations disaster for Nixon.

The shoot down of Francis Gary Powers was a major embarrassment for Eisenhower because he had just publicly denied overflights of the USSR.

Of course, nuclear secrets given to the USSR was a disaster also.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 29, 2013 01:40 PM (9VNGM)

43 susan rice is the rachel jenteal of the obama administration

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 29, 2013 01:40 PM (Z9EHQ)

44 Forgive me if I refuse to take Susan Rice's word for it on this matter.

I don't think she has a clue one way or the other. Someone told her it was no big deal and she's just repeating that.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 29, 2013 01:41 PM (/gHaE)

45 susan rice is the rachel jenteal of the obama administration

So where does that leave me?

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 29, 2013 01:41 PM (uPbpg)

34 Susan Rice is a filthy bint.

And a shameless propaganda nozzle.

Whatever she's spewing, you can bet it is the approved Barky line of propaganda.

Posted by: wheatie at June 29, 2013 01:41 PM (Jw4kG)

47 @36 "Orb of Venegance" Never heard of that one... I've got Prophecy, Time, Orb of the Emissary (spit)... can you get me one?

Posted by: Kai Winn at June 29, 2013 01:41 PM (eMP2S)

48 So according to Susan Rice, it's okay that the fat little fuck in North Korea knows everything about me too?

Posted by: Soona at June 29, 2013 01:41 PM (frEVO)

49 susan rice cannot read cursive

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 29, 2013 01:42 PM (Z9EHQ)

50 I really did want Bin Laden's polished skull encased in Amber as relic of the Presidency. Every new president would have to take the Oath of Office with his right hand on the Bible, and the Orb of Vengeance in the left. Posted by: toby928Â© at June 29, 2013 05:36 PM (QupBk) Really, it'd be more of a Silmarils than anything else...

Posted by: The Orb of Vengeance at June 29, 2013 01:42 PM (Vk2pI)

51 I really did want Bin Laden's polished skull encased in Amber as relic of the Presidency. Every new president would have to take the Oath of Office with his right hand on the Bible, and the Orb of Vengence in the left.

Posted by: toby928Â© at June 29, 2013 05:36 PM (QupBk)

They should have mummified his head and stuck it on a pole. The pole would be affixed to the fender of the President's limo anytime he traveled to a foreign country as a reminder that you really shouldn't screw with us because we have a long memory.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 29, 2013 01:42 PM (1hekh)

52 susan rice - regarding snowden and worrying about him leaking secrets to the communists "that's retarded sir."

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 29, 2013 01:43 PM (Z9EHQ)

Anyone who agrees to work with this "gov" is not looking out for the good of the Country.

They're looking out for O and his legacy.

f&*k'em all.

Posted by: seamrog at June 29, 2013 01:45 PM (FgAIa)

54 If you wanted to manipulate your political enemies, control the 'news,' and ram through your radical agenda, what would you do differently than Obama?

Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at June 29, 2013 05:29 PM (052zE)

I'll ask an even more complete question along the same lines. If you were attempting to establish a totalitarian police state in the former United States - what would you differently than Obama?

After all, exactly why does the Department of Education need a SWAT team?

Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at June 29, 2013 01:45 PM (ylhEn)

55 >>> Every new president would have to take the Oath of Office with his right hand on the Bible, and the Orb of Vengeance in the left. ROTFL!!!

Posted by: Eaton Cox at June 29, 2013 01:45 PM (QCc6B)

56 I'm sure the PRC and Russians have higher level assets in place than Snowden. They were aware of what we were doing years ago.

Its all the non-major powers who are interested in this capability now.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 29, 2013 01:45 PM (/gHaE)

57 Zombie perfect. But Odouche has been told to go fuck himself so many times that he'd need to off someone personally now.

Posted by: Guido-'now with 75% more hate' at June 29, 2013 01:45 PM (8I9hB)

58 Hey, Rachel Samara, what is it that I don't understand about Susan Rice.

Posted by: Rich at June 29, 2013 01:46 PM (k9ITi)

59 Obama rewards the faithful. The list is long. By 'faithful', I mean faithful in the sense that those around Hitler were faithful. Lying, cheating, stealing, slander, that kind of stuff.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 29, 2013 01:48 PM (aDwsi)

60 Letting Russia and China get one over on you re the Snowden situation... #ThatsRetardedSir

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 29, 2013 01:49 PM (jjvz+)

61 Guido, I see your hate-meter continues to surge. I'm right here with ya, buddy. And, please give my regards to the lovely Mrs. Guido. She's a keeper, huh?

Posted by: Peaches at June 29, 2013 01:49 PM (8lmkt)

Whoa.... BI nla DEN

biden binladen / osama obama / hillary paste/

Posted by: ass cracker veep at June 29, 2013 01:50 PM (FgAIa)

63 SCOTUSblog ‏@SCOTUSblog 31s Prop 8 proponents seek emergency stay of California same-sex marriage http://t.co/icIRmSXvF6

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 29, 2013 01:52 PM (jjvz+)

64 The thing is we have no way to know how bad it was. Also, when Shitbird McHomoprivate gave it up, he was giving up shit that people had spent decades and infinite training hours and dollars trying to keep secure. It's a blow. Snowden maybe not as bad as Private Jailbitch, but that all depends on what the Chi, Russ, ME, etc. want to do with the info.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 29, 2013 01:52 PM (ZshNr)

65 Letting Russia and China get one over on you re the Snowden situation... #ThatsRetardedSir

depends on what you wind up getting out of it in the end

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 29, 2013 01:56 PM (/gHaE)

66 You ever wonder why Manning's superiors' (all the way up the line) heads didn't roll? Why do you think?

Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at June 29, 2013 01:56 PM (Fely/)

67 depends on what you wind up getting out of it in the end *** this is true

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 29, 2013 01:56 PM (jjvz+)

68 Is there a reason on one has ben discussing how obama rejected Wang Lijun, Chonqing City, when he tried to defect a while back but the chinese did not return snowden? I mean obama may like the surprise nut in his mouth every so often but the majority of the country isnot as fond of it as he is.

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 29, 2013 01:57 PM (Z9EHQ)

69 We knowingly sacrificed ships and sailors lives in the pacific to keep the breaking of the Japanese codes secret.

If the long game win is big enough, you'll give up a lot to get it.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 29, 2013 01:59 PM (/gHaE)

70 If the long game win is big enough, you'll give up a lot to get it.

I'm like a 3d chess master, only better.

Posted by: Barry at June 29, 2013 02:01 PM (uPbpg)

71 If the long game were to get hooks into various countries internal phone and internet systems, we'd willingly offer up a Snowden to get that.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 29, 2013 02:02 PM (/gHaE)

72 If the long game were to get hooks into various countries internal phone and internet systems

Replace "various countries" with America's, and you got it.

Posted by: Barry at June 29, 2013 02:03 PM (uPbpg)

73 Thank God I'm home. Thanks for the indulgence, apologies for the distortion. Evidently there was a storm up here as well as in Louisville metro so I get to wait until the morning to do the lawn. Unpacking the 2,735th best thing about trips.

I may post a pic of my mount on Twitter, if inspired.

You guys are at least as interesting as the police scanners I had playing on the BlueTooth on the initial leg when I was going through the other corridor.

Stomp the trolls when needed and see y'all soon...

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 29, 2013 02:03 PM (LRFds)

74 71 Barry,

That's right Barry we can trust Radical Islamic Jihadists in various nations but we can't trust ANY of you Teahadists.

//Val Jar

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 29, 2013 02:04 PM (LRFds)

75 I'm like a 3d chess master, only better. Posted by: Barry at June 29, 2013 06:01 obama is the rachel jenteal of chess.

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 29, 2013 02:05 PM (Z9EHQ)

76 if it were not for affirmative action obama would look like rachel jenteal

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 29, 2013 02:05 PM (Z9EHQ)

77 obama rejected Wang Lijun

He probably had nothing of substance to offer that we didn't already know in exchange for the political blowback.

1st rule of defecting - bring something worthwhile to the table

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 29, 2013 02:06 PM (/gHaE)

78 He probably had nothing of substance to offer that we didn't already know in exchange for the political blowback. 1st rule of defecting - bring something worthwhile to the table Posted by: Purp at June 29, 2013 06:06 maybe but the optics and effects of rejecting defectors is similar to using espionage laws to prosecut whistleblowers and reporters

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 29, 2013 02:07 PM (Z9EHQ)

79
obama rejected Wang Lijun

I don't recall Barry ever rejecting some wang

Posted by: Reggie Love at June 29, 2013 02:08 PM (Pr6hk)

80 1st rule of defecting - bring something worthwhile to the table

Word. That "freedom" shit ain't paying the bills.

Posted by: Barry at June 29, 2013 02:09 PM (uPbpg)

I suppose Susan Rice isn't familiar with known unknowns and unknown unknowns.

11 Go with the simple explanation; Snowden saw some juicy stuff that would make a name for himself, and he went for it.

Now everyone is trying to spin it to their own advantage.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 29, 2013 05:28 PM (9VNGM)

Pretty much. Purp's post would give the admin a bit too much foresight and cleverness. Deviousness is a given. Epstein has a good piece in the WSJ too. A wilderness of mirrors.

Posted by: rich@gmu (getting sleepy) at June 29, 2013 02:10 PM (ga+7c)

82 give the admin a bit too much foresight and cleverness

This would have been a lifer/career guys scheme. None of the Obama crew is this good.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 29, 2013 02:12 PM (/gHaE)

83 susan rice thinks black swan is a racist term.

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 29, 2013 02:13 PM (Z9EHQ)

84 susan rice thinks the ugly duckling is about white privilege

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 29, 2013 02:14 PM (Z9EHQ)

85 The said this is he will spend 9 months is the Moscow airport to then no one will care where he goes as all the information he is giving is already old intel and even the way the intel is captured has changed.

Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at June 29, 2013 02:16 PM (I1ABg)

86 he said this is he will spend 9 months is the Moscow airport to then no one will care where he goes as all the information he is giving is already old intel and even the way the intel is captured has changed. Posted by: Trevor I hear tom hanks is angling to get the rights to play him in the movie.

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 29, 2013 02:17 PM (Z9EHQ)

87 I hear tom hanks is angling to get the rights to play him in the movie. *** I knew it was a matter of time.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 29, 2013 02:19 PM (jjvz+)

88 Canada thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 29, 2013 02:19 PM (jjvz+)

89 Stale intel is worse than no intel.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 29, 2013 02:21 PM (/gHaE)

90 Ever read the old book by Sontag, "Blind mans bluff" ? Ya that shits old news... Snowden just revealed those unwritten chapters. When will hollywood come out with a book or movie about what a hero he is? sell millions cause the tools already believe his scripted cover story.

Posted by: Dave at June 29, 2013 02:29 PM (Lw1iJ)

91 Get ready for a steady stream of non-sequiturs from Susan Rice. Added together, the IQ's of Rice and John Kerry comes to some nice round number south of average-- making these two the Laurel and Hardy of foreign policy. TFG must want to be his own foreign policy chief.

Posted by: MTF at June 29, 2013 03:01 PM (g7vVd)

92 Even imbeciles mouth accidental truths on occasion... ex. Biden

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 29, 2013 03:16 PM (/gHaE)

93 jewells45: Any particular reason you know of for panicking?

If none, just to get all mystical for a moment, you never know what trouble might've lurked in the path not taken. Listen to your Inner Voice kinda thing?

Might also be physical. Based on bitter experience, collagen defect symdromes like Ehlers-Danlos monkey up the nervous system and lead to anxiety/panic disorder issues, alone with depression and migraine problems as well.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at June 29, 2013 03:19 PM (FvyJS)

94 Rice is claiming that Obama hasn't been 'weakened' by the NSA leaks.

Duh.

Of course he hasn't. The reason for his weakening is the YouTube video Â‘The Innocence of NSA AgentsÂ’ ...

...and anyone who disagrees is just a creepy-assed cracka, yo!

Posted by: Predictable History at June 29, 2013 03:20 PM (UG6Ql)

Now that I'm catching up on the thread, I'll revise and extend my remarks. Sorry Purp for misinterpreting what you were writting.

anyway, the KGB did a pretty good job destabalizing the US IC during the Carter administration (using the same sorts of cut outs and cyphers like Wikileaks and Snowden) so I wouldn't be surprised if this is something similiar.

Posted by: rich@gmu (getting sleepy) at June 29, 2013 03:23 PM (ga+7c)

writting -> so now my eye sight is going...writing.

Posted by: rich@gmu at June 29, 2013 03:29 PM (ga+7c)

97 and eveyone has moved on to the other thread...

Posted by: rich@gmu at June 29, 2013 03:30 PM (ga+7c)

98 I haven't moved to the next thread - but I also haven't moved on from my hangover.

I still think the leak is very damaging because it undercuts our moral high ground. We used to be able to say to the oppressed of Iran or China or Venezuela (before we became "amigos") that what their government was doing to them was wrong and a free society does not do that. We haven't lost that argument - we've destroyed it and our credibility along with it.

Posted by: Mauser757 at June 29, 2013 03:37 PM (SEcTa)

99 Comment 7 and others are dead on. Rice has a PhD in stupid. As for the actual narrative, hopefully it will make people wonder... For this one I am sitting back and enjoying the ride.

Posted by: VA_CPA at June 29, 2013 03:54 PM (8emxS)

100 Nobody listens to Rice... At least not in the US. We all know what she is. She's basically a careerist who isn't very bright. The type who would sell out her own mother if it would help her career, and obviously has always been promoted because of affirmative action.

Those two qualities together have given us people like Rice, Holder, Obama, etc, etc.. They're a dime a dozen in this Regime. We're no longer a meritocracy folks.. even in theory. Heck, its so bad that even criticizing them is seen as something horrible.

It seems now that the more peoples lives you can destroy though your incompetence means you aren't held accountable for it.. and everyone goes along.. 'we don't want to ruin they're livesss!!' crys the media.. But if a Mcdonald's worker gets a combo order wrong they can get fired if a customer gets upset enough. That customer? A self righteous media member probably haha "I'll have your job because of this outrage!"

Economic devastation? "He did his best"

Posted by: Steve Halogen at June 29, 2013 04:02 PM (iVRW7)

101 because it undercuts our moral high ground.

That ground was ceded a few years ago when Obama voided the late Bush era legislation prohibiting US aid to regimes that employ child soldiers. He's signed several executive orders giving exemptions to noxious regimes that are our claimed "allies" in the war on terror.

The US has traded places with the old Soviet Union.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 29, 2013 04:32 PM (/gHaE)

102 This is the hubris of Obama talking; total group think that is worse than that of Nixon's inner circle. Obama has been snubbed by every major nation and he's resorted to meaningless sightseeing junkets to Third World countries as his administration burns his house down. Out-f'ing standing, Mr. President. Out-f'ing standing!

Posted by: Manolo at June 29, 2013 07:15 PM (fH29S)

103

yeah I'm late to this post, and new to the blog,

BUT

as I worked in the Intelligence Community (as a 'guest' from my Navy combat line community) for a couple years, I'm both shocked and outraged at the incredibly weak response of the executive branch leadership to this pretty bad security breach.

That the most senior people at the head of our gov't are reduced to saying 'we're working on it w/ our foreign gov't colleagues' (sp?)(Obummer, who has been publicly rebuffed as a fool), or that 'it really isn't that important' (Rice) reveals (yet again) an administration that is feckless, weak, and worthless.

Best Regards,

Posted by: CAPT Mike at June 29, 2013 08:12 PM (DiQnH)

104 Governments i.e. diplomats already assumed that this was being done.

Posted by: occam at June 30, 2013 04:23 AM (LcmTO)

105 It's always as it seems if you are willing to step back and consider rationally. Indeed Snowden, IRS, NSA, TSA etc etc etc were not as they appeared but rather what a sensitive left handed person intuits them to to be. Snowden was an ad for how the US owns the horizontal and the vertical, and if you don't believe it, look at the price of the $$ vs gold since. IRS says run your mouth, we'll make you wish you didn't. NSA more of the same. TSA targets middle aged excessively anglo men. We all know this. It's all calibrated to shut you up and let the plan elites have laid out come to fruition. After all, kindly Jeb Bush has explained it clearly. These nice illegal immigrants are here to tithe you over through your social security years. And his message is getting through. If the police state can handle the population surge, it is in the best interest for natives if we grow this thing out. Sorry.

Posted by: pc at June 30, 2013 02:07 PM (zeWyX)

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