September 25, 2013
— Ace Now he's just trying to make people's heads explode.
Avik Roy meanwhile writes of ObamaCare's Sticker Shock.
Based on a Manhattan Institute analysis of the HHS numbers, Obamacare will increase underlying insurance rates for younger men by an average of 97 to 99 percent, and for younger women by an average of 55 to 62 percent. Worst off is North Carolina, which will see individual-market rates triple for women, and quadruple for men.
The map for females (at the link) is somewhat less red. But it's plenty pink.
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In light of the bear comment, Cocktails of Betrayal are now 60% off!
Limited time offer, though, so get yours soon!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Happy Hour! Cocktails of Betrayal 50% Off! at September 25, 2013 10:37 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Bayou City at September 25, 2013 10:38 AM (8yWf/)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at September 25, 2013 10:40 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: joncelli at September 25, 2013 10:40 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at September 25, 2013 10:40 AM (+9dyn)
Posted by: soothsayer at September 25, 2013 10:40 AM (ZgBZU)
Of course I'm trying to make you weep with rage. Of course I am.
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 25, 2013 10:41 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 25, 2013 10:41 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 25, 2013 10:41 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: joncelli at September 25, 2013 10:41 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 25, 2013 10:42 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at September 25, 2013 10:42 AM (+9dyn)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 25, 2013 10:42 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 25, 2013 10:43 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: joncelli
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We're all fooked.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 25, 2013 10:43 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Happy Hour! Cocktails of Betrayal 50% Off! at September 25, 2013 10:44 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 25, 2013 10:44 AM (XdnQT)
Posted by: Vic at September 25, 2013 10:44 AM (zZbNF)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 25, 2013 10:44 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: fixerupper at September 25, 2013 02:43 PM (nELVU)
Nice summary of everything!
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 25, 2013 10:45 AM (XdnQT)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 25, 2013 02:44 PM (Ec6wH)
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
neener neener neener
Posted by: Nate Silver at September 25, 2013 10:45 AM (nELVU)
Must be why the rate jump is so high.
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 10:45 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 25, 2013 10:45 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: levi at September 25, 2013 10:46 AM (5V/0T)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Happy Hour! Cocktails of Betrayal 50% Off! at September 25, 2013 02:44 PM (hLRSq)
That's the Corn Husker Kickback.
Posted by: Vic at September 25, 2013 10:46 AM (zZbNF)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 25, 2013 10:46 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 25, 2013 10:46 AM (t06LC)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 25, 2013 10:47 AM (Iyg03)
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Bo Pelini's blood pressure shot the actuarial tables all to hell......
Posted by: fixerupper at September 25, 2013 10:47 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: soothsayer at September 25, 2013 10:48 AM (Y4TdB)
Posted by: steevy at September 25, 2013 10:48 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 25, 2013 10:49 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Minnfidel at September 25, 2013 10:49 AM (sUMBr)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 25, 2013 10:49 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: GuyfromNH at September 25, 2013 10:49 AM (kbOju)
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 25, 2013 10:49 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: NCKate
No. Gray is where they will be burying all those in the 'Not Viable' category.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 25, 2013 10:50 AM (ligos)
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 25, 2013 10:50 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: Leland at September 25, 2013 10:51 AM (1hLHC)
Posted by: tasker at September 25, 2013 10:51 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Daybrother dreams of SMOD at September 25, 2013 10:51 AM (Zilou)
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No problem. Detroit can afford it after all of the federal bailout money they've been given.
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 25, 2013 10:52 AM (XUKZU)
My constituents in Peruvia, a suburb of Phoenix, will not see an increase in their medical premiums. Many will expire of natural causes to make room for the newbies. Well, except the privileged elitist few including my family and Rosita our housekeeper who gives great head.
Posted by: Juan McShithead at September 25, 2013 10:52 AM (pJF+c)
coincidentally, I am a 27-year-old male in Nebraska. o.O
I get insurance through Insphere. I have been notified that my premium of $212 a month is now going to be $627 a month.
As you might imagine, I am dropping my coverage immediately. I'm single, I neither smoke nor drink, I am about 30lbs overweight, I see no reason that I ought to be paying this kind of price.
Not that I want it, but whatever happened to the supposed Cornhusker Kickback? Did we succeed in getting the kickback nullified back then?
It's funny to me that Nelson sold out on abortion/Obamacare for the sake of the Kickback, and now, the Kickback seemingly does not exist. Sold out for nothing, Benedict Arnold.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at September 25, 2013 10:52 AM (mJEtb)
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 25, 2013 10:52 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate at September 25, 2013 02:50 PM (9MLX+)
I didn't know they spell "K-Y" as "PennzOil".
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Happy Hour! Cocktails of Betrayal 50% Off! at September 25, 2013 10:52 AM (hLRSq)
Unfortunately, due to budgetary constraints, lube will henceforth be discontinued.
Posted by: Kathleen Sebilius at September 25, 2013 10:53 AM (oFH2D)
Posted by: AmishDude at September 25, 2013 10:53 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate at September 25, 2013 02:50 PM (9MLX+)
Yeesh, they could at least buy us dinner first.
Posted by: joncelli at September 25, 2013 10:53 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Bart Stupak's UP World at September 25, 2013 10:53 AM (Ec6wH)
44 Just heard an ad on Limbaugh (WLS) for the cannabis career institute. I assume it's all lower case letters.
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I wonder if visiting professors are leaders from Sinaloa, Gulf cartels or Los Zetas.
Posted by: fastfreefall at September 25, 2013 10:53 AM (tZIYc)
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Yeah but they've got that pre-existing condition.
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 25, 2013 10:54 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: NCKate at September 25, 2013 02:48 PM (WtZbx)
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Awwww. I thought it was the states where the old-folks camps were going to be. I was ready to start packing for Maui.
Posted by: Soona at September 25, 2013 10:54 AM (3sDOE)
Posted by: Rosa E. at September 25, 2013 10:54 AM (IKVkI)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 25, 2013 10:55 AM (f9c2L)
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I wonder if visiting professors are leaders from Sinaloa, Gulf cartels or Los Zetas.
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I'll bet their school song is by Bob Marley.
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 25, 2013 10:55 AM (XUKZU)
Do the right thing - get fucked.
Be a shitbird - get a free handout.
Posted by: Jaws at September 25, 2013 10:55 AM (4I3Uo)
And that's just for the premiums.
Not to mention the fact that the "subsidies" only kick in in the form of a tax "credit" at the end of the year - and then only for those who live in "abject squalor" (the government's unvoiced opinion), and who probably won't file a tax return in the first place.
The co-pays and yearly deductibles are where the REAL sticker shock is going to come into play for most people.
And after all of this, they STILL only expect 7 million currently uninsured people to sign up for the exchanges.
What happened to those other 40 million misbegotten souls we were told were going to die in the streets if they didn't get "healthcare" yesterday?
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at September 25, 2013 10:55 AM (PZ6/M)
Posted by: brak at September 25, 2013 10:56 AM (iEoiA)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 25, 2013 10:56 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: steevy at September 25, 2013 10:56 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Affordable Carousel Act at September 25, 2013 02:53 PM (ligos)/i]
Hahaha...nice!
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 10:56 AM (GQ8sn)
I noted this somewhere.
But the current claims of "going down or staying the same" seem to rely on the subsidies being handed out by the government.
Yet many people seem unconcerned that this makes people literally dependent on the government for this. You'd think at least a few of the dems would back off and go "wait a second, hows that now?"
But perhaps I think to well.
Meanwhile you have jackasses like Durban trying to claim "well this helps people because MATERNITY CARE."
Really?
A lack of choice helps people? I've got 2 sisters on private insurance. They both opted out of the maternity rider because they don't plan on having kids at this point in their life.
We can debate the wisdom of that perhaps, but here's the thing, if they get knocked up and weren't planning it anyway, I suspect a $10k labor and delivery bill is the least of their concerns. So why shouldn't they save whatever the difference between a plan that covers maternity and a plan that doesn't is?
(I've actually got a friend with kid who's wife moved to a plan without maternity coverage after they had the kid because they don't want to have another for a few years. Same deal.)
Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 25, 2013 10:56 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: tasker at September 25, 2013 10:57 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at September 25, 2013 02:55 PM (PZ6/M)
Went to hang out with T-Bone.
Posted by: joncelli at September 25, 2013 10:57 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 25, 2013 10:57 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: rickl at September 25, 2013 10:57 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 25, 2013 10:57 AM (LSJmV)
State exchange. Most of our money is flowing to CO to offset the rate hikes.
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 10:57 AM (GQ8sn)
As much as I hate Bloomberg, he has one thing right.
Bloomie points out that New York City runs one of the most extensive, expensive municipal governments to be found anywhere, a lavish little welfare state of its own. And, he notes, NYC can afford to do that because of the evil one-percenters who live and pay taxes there.
If someone goes full Sandinista on the burg's billionaires, they'll leave for greener pastures elsewhere, and then NYC is truly boned. To me, this is a feature, not a bug, and I hope frankly to see it happen.
Note also my previous suggestion about how to speed the fucking-over of NYC and NY state by repealing the ability of hedge fund managers to treat all their incomes as capital gains on their federal taxes. Want to watch Andrew Cuomo get the dry heaves in public? Force that through as part of a budget reconciliation bill.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 25, 2013 10:57 AM (gqT4g)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 25, 2013 10:58 AM (yETln)
Posted by: AmishDude at September 25, 2013 10:59 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 25, 2013 02:57 PM (LSJmV)
The underpants gnomes.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Happy Hour! Cocktails of Betrayal 50% Off! at September 25, 2013 10:59 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 25, 2013 11:00 AM (0axsw)
Posted by: torquewrench at September 25, 2013 02:57 PM (gqT4g)
Yeah, it always amuses me that one of the most liberal cities in the country gets most of its tax dollars from one of the most libertarian groups in the economy.
Posted by: joncelli at September 25, 2013 11:00 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 25, 2013 11:00 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: tasker at September 25, 2013 11:00 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 11:00 AM (GQ8sn)
300%
$100%
Posted by: PJ at September 25, 2013 11:00 AM (ZWaLo)
The map for females (at the link) is somewhat less red. But it's plenty pink.
*stands on soapbox*
*makes rude gesture*
Fuck women. You know why it's less red than the map for men? Because of fucking Julia, that's why. Fucking snowflake Julia and all the Julia wannabes out there in this country, doing their slutwalks and demanding "free" birth control and abortion-on-demand up to the pre-labor birth pangs. It's less red because the fucking crooks and extortionists in DC want to make sure that stupid fucking women - who can't see past their g-ddamn "tatas" and who think the world revolves around their skunky vulvas and swampy vaginas -- are placated enough to keep voting solidly Dem into the future.
Well FUCK THEM. Fuck all of them. Fuck them with a red hot poker and then beat them across the face with it. I do not give one flying skullfuck what happens to 85% of the women in this country, because they are so mind-blowingly RETARDED that they don't deserve so much as a dismissive thought. They are unpeople to me.
*makes another rude gesture, then kisses hand and spanks ass before jumping down off soapbox and kicking Wendy D(ead baby)avis in the pelvis*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 25, 2013 11:01 AM (4df7R)
Many will game the system and figure the neutral point of maximum taxpayer allowance vs maximum allowable income.
They will work to the break point, resign and fuck off the rest of the year compliments of the taxpayers and the underground economy.
This is a winner for the uninspired and go-along to get-along scumbags. Strikingly similar to a democrat voter.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at September 25, 2013 11:01 AM (pJF+c)
Posted by: Rosa E. at September 25, 2013 02:54 PM (IKVkI)
Need a shoulder to cry on, baby? Let me feel your pain.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at September 25, 2013 11:01 AM (Lljg2)
Ace give me a ruling on how long I'm in the cooler please?
Posted by: sven10077 at September 25, 2013 11:01 AM (9jfyN)
*makes another rude gesture, then kisses hand and spanks ass before jumping down off soapbox and kicking Wendy D(ead baby)avis in the pelvis*
*cues up 'Whole Lotta Love' in my mind*
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 11:02 AM (GQ8sn)
It's funny to me that Nelson sold out on abortion/Obamacare for the sake of the Kickback, and now, the Kickback seemingly does not exist. Sold out for nothing, Benedict Arnold.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at September 25, 2013 02:52 PM (mJEtb)
Silly rabbit. The benefits of the kickback weren't going to be going to you plebeians.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 25, 2013 11:02 AM (TIIx5)
Posted by: sans_sheriff at September 25, 2013 11:02 AM (Lljg2)
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at September 25, 2013 11:03 AM (mJEtb)
Posted by: brak at September 25, 2013 02:56 PM (iEoiA)
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Well there is a special provision in ObamaCare that Chief Justice Roberts latched unto--to help him come to his decision-
the IRS cannot come after you in the same way they go after people for not paying their taxes.
They cannot go after you with criminal prosecution. IIRC
or--the usual tools they have at their disposal.
Posted by: tasker at September 25, 2013 03:00 PM (r2PLg)
Which puzzles me. When young men and women (to a lesser extent) get the message from their peers that there's no actual downside to ignoring the penalty, what is going to keep things afloat?
Posted by: joncelli at September 25, 2013 11:03 AM (RD7QR)
Do the right thing - get fucked.
Be a shitbird - get a free handout.
Posted by: Jaws at September 25, 2013 02:55 PM (4I3Uo)
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That about sums it up. Oh, and btw, we just think we've experienced the fed micromanaging our lives. We ain't seen nuthin' yet.
Posted by: Soona at September 25, 2013 11:03 AM (3sDOE)
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at September 25, 2013 03:03 PM (mJEtb)
Sven's pining for the fiords.
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 11:03 AM (GQ8sn)
"Do you believe in the afterlife?'
Regardless of what I believe, that concept has been misused cynically for ages by politicians and clergy to keep their subjects cowed and docile. The result is a lot of wasted lives and misery. That's every bit as immoral as acting like a rudderless shitbird.
Posted by: Jaws at September 25, 2013 11:04 AM (4I3Uo)
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I wonder if visiting professors are leaders from Sinaloa, Gulf cartels or Los Zetas.
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I wish I had the Cheetos concession there.
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 25, 2013 11:04 AM (XUKZU)
Nothing will keep it afloat, necessitating 'aggressive action' to rescue it.
All part of the plan. The Leftists have done their work well.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at September 25, 2013 11:04 AM (mJEtb)
In 2012, my employer paid $13,174.83 to insure me for the year.
I have a $2,500 deductible, and a 30% co-pay. Anthem Blue Cross told me I am "grandfathered" in to my PPO plan, but could switch to a ACA-compliant plan. Fewer benefits. Higher premium.
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 25, 2013 11:04 AM (6H6o8)
Not really. Pride is the only thing holding me up. :/
Posted by: no good deed at September 25, 2013 11:04 AM (k55Fc)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 25, 2013 03:02 PM (TIIx5)
As it ever was, and so it shall ever be!
Posted by: Eric at September 25, 2013 11:05 AM (XdnQT)
Posted by: joncelli at September 25, 2013 03:03 PM (RD7QR)
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*staring at joncelli*
Posted by: Baraka O'Preezy at September 25, 2013 11:05 AM (3sDOE)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 25, 2013 11:05 AM (YNK3y)
Posted by: Antnee Weener at September 25, 2013 11:06 AM (/lWM8)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 25, 2013 03:01 PM (4df7R)
Cut. Jib. Newsletter. Dinner invitation.
Posted by: joncelli at September 25, 2013 11:06 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 25, 2013 11:06 AM (YNK3y)
>>>I'm having less of a problem with the Iranians getting nukes now.
And that new President who came over with the turban was soooo cool and spoke english and everything! I totally believed him, he only wanted peace and to extend the hand of friendship from way over in Iran!
Posted by: Bigby's Dice-Rolling Hand at September 25, 2013 11:07 AM (3ZtZW)
the american people really had no knowledge as What was in it.
they were lead to believe it was awesome and srsly MANY believed it was free!
Posted by: willow at September 25, 2013 11:07 AM (nqBYe)
Just come to the next NoVAMoMee.
She'll be there.
Perhaps she will do another dramatic reading...
::: swoon :::
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 25, 2013 11:07 AM (6T8Ay)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 25, 2013 11:07 AM (a4Omg)
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 25, 2013 03:06 PM (sCynV)
Aggressive trolling of Gabe.
Which I completely understand.
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 11:07 AM (GQ8sn)
Hey! Front Page Yahoo News!
Never mind what he said, look at this goofy ‘corner guy’.
http://tinyurl.com/l4mffhq
autoplay video
Posted by: Pupster at September 25, 2013 11:07 AM (6tVbw)
Posted by: tasker at September 25, 2013 11:07 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: chique d'afrique, formerly Chelsea, now back to being an actual female at September 25, 2013 11:08 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: Roy at September 25, 2013 11:08 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Joe Monday at September 25, 2013 11:08 AM (elC5f)
Remember all that shit from the fawning press about how Preezy was just maybe going to share a handshake with Rouhani?
Instead, Obama comes off looking like schoolgirl with her feelings hurt.
http://tinyurl.com/k7e2prp
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 25, 2013 11:08 AM (sCynV)
I honestly don't know what is going to happen with Obamacare.
I'm almost 60, had a $80,000 heart attack last year that cost me $2,800 out of pocket while the wife and I pay $429/month with Blue Cross/Blue Shield on a individual policy.
My prescriptions are a little expensive, but not crazy.
I expect my costs to go down, while a 20'something will get boned in the ass. That's all good with me.
Of course, if my costs go up, I'll be screaming from the hilltops to impeach the fucker.
Posted by: jwest at September 25, 2013 11:08 AM (u2a4R)
how much did the American people know of the legislation when even our betters were saying THEY would know when they had an opportunity to actually read it?
after it was Law!
Posted by: willow at September 25, 2013 11:09 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 25, 2013 11:09 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at September 25, 2013 11:09 AM (PZ6/M)
Wait until you receive your standard substandard ob-gyn care.
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 11:09 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: chique d'afrique, formerly Chelsea, now back to being an actual female at September 25, 2013 11:09 AM (r+7wo)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 25, 2013 11:09 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: mrp at September 25, 2013 11:10 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: X at September 25, 2013 11:10 AM (KHo8t)
Posted by: zombie at September 25, 2013 11:10 AM (+cx5n)
Posted by: willow at September 25, 2013 03:07 PM (nqBYe)
Sad to say, far too many still think it is free stuff! AS to what's actually in it, details, details.
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 25, 2013 11:10 AM (XdnQT)
Posted by: tasker at September 25, 2013 11:10 AM (r2PLg)
The under-30's voted for him, let them pay for him.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 25, 2013 11:11 AM (wmHeP)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 25, 2013 11:11 AM (QF8uk)
We don't.
Perdue was too fucking stupid to figure it out. No way McCrory's going to do it.
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 11:11 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: jwest at September 25, 2013 03:08 PM (u2a4R)
Well there's a LIV in a nutshell, thank' Jwest for that impersonation...oh you're being serious.
Well then.
Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 25, 2013 11:11 AM (GaqMa)
Bingo!! Excellent rant!!
Stupid womyn don't even get that the only "empowering" they've done is empowering the state to become their pimps.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 25, 2013 11:11 AM (U6BWX)
Posted by: X at September 25, 2013 03:10 PM (KHo8t)
You obviously failed Liberal Calculus!
Take two Thermo courses and call me in the morning!
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 25, 2013 11:11 AM (XdnQT)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at September 25, 2013 11:12 AM (Kxoqk)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 25, 2013 11:12 AM (YNK3y)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at September 25, 2013 11:12 AM (yETln)
Posted by: Mr. Mean at September 25, 2013 11:12 AM (Tlix5)
NH's state exchange has a grand total of one insurance provider signed up. Some exchange there.
You make me think very bad things.
Posted by: MegaIndependento at September 25, 2013 03:08 PM (uvaJ1)
You should hear me when i get REALLY angry. I start speaking in tongues.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 25, 2013 11:12 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 25, 2013 11:12 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 03:11 PM (GQ8sn)
I had a friend tell me that opting out the state exchanges was "unconservative" because it didn't go for "local rule."
To wit I responded "utter bullshit, the rules were defined by the feds, they just want the states to support it with their dollars. Screw them, they can enforce their own stupid laws."
Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 25, 2013 11:12 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: tasker at September 25, 2013 03:07 PM (r2PLg)
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Perhaps I'm reading your exerpts wrong, but it looks like there's going to be another trip to the SCOTUS soon.
Posted by: Baraka O'Preezy at September 25, 2013 11:13 AM (3sDOE)
Posted by: Mr. Mean
You sound like a perfect candidate for the re-education camps.
Posted by: Roy at September 25, 2013 11:13 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: steevy at September 25, 2013 11:13 AM (9XBK2)
Time to shop around for a vagina? Do they have competitive pricing for a sex change?
Posted by: Fritz at September 25, 2013 11:13 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 25, 2013 11:14 AM (0axsw)
I had a friend tell me that opting out the state exchanges was "unconservative" because it didn't go for "local rule."
To wit I responded "utter bullshit, the rules were defined by the feds, they just want the states to support it with their dollars. Screw them, they can enforce their own stupid laws."
Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 25, 2013 03:12 PM (GaqMa)
It's not really a state exchange when the Fed is all up in your business telling you what's what.
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 11:14 AM (GQ8sn)
"So the only problem that people had with healthcare -- that it was too expensive -- is now going to be exacerbated."
Let's see:
* Constrict the supply of health-care providers: check.
* Add enormous layers of administrative overhead: check.
* Do nothing to fix malpractice situation: check.
* Add huge new taxes and feeds: check.
* Add millions of freeloading consumers: check.
And the LIV nitwits expected costs to go *down*?
Posted by: Brown Line at September 25, 2013 11:14 AM (VrNoa)
Posted by: X at September 25, 2013 11:14 AM (KHo8t)
Posted by: thunderb at September 25, 2013 11:14 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: joncelli at September 25, 2013 03:03 PM (RD7QR)
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Single. Payer.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 25, 2013 11:14 AM (nELVU)
\Shoot--I'm not sure if it would collapse if the individual mandate was boycotted by enough people.
The whole point is to get to single payer. Full stop. If there aren't enough people actually using the Ocare system to make it work, then there will be an emergency reauthorization in Congress that will institute a single payer system, "To insure that all Americans have access to affordable, quality health care."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 25, 2013 11:14 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Fritz at September 25, 2013 03:13 PM (UzPAd)
No need.
Just start calling yourself "Chelsea Fritz" and you're good to go!
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 11:14 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: steevy
Hence - ambulance-chasing lawyer commercials that claim "You don't pay, unless we win!"
Posted by: Roy at September 25, 2013 11:15 AM (VndSC)
>>>and srsly MANY believed it was free!
It IS free.
Of course, there are many definitions of "free":
Free, as in Speech
Free, as in Beer
Free, as in Punches to the gut when your big brother has you in a full nelson.
Posted by: Bigby's Dice-Rolling Hand at September 25, 2013 11:15 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 25, 2013 11:15 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 25, 2013 11:15 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 25, 2013 11:15 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: thunderb at September 25, 2013 11:15 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: gracepmc at September 25, 2013 11:15 AM (rznx3)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 25, 2013 11:16 AM (aDwsi)
161" I'm young and male. My health is great. Fuck Obama, I will not be throwing my money at this. It's hard enough to get by in his economy without pissing cash away. End of story. "
I'm sorry, but you'll just have to bend over and take your ass fucking like a man. The only way I get to pay less if for you to pay more, so there you have it.
Oh, and it won't be long till the Social Security kicks in, so keep busting ass so the pot won't run dry.
Thanks...
Posted by: jwest at September 25, 2013 11:16 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: steevy at September 25, 2013 11:16 AM (9XBK2)
"Turn your key NOW, sir!"
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 11:16 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: willow at September 25, 2013 11:16 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Baraka O'Preezy at September 25, 2013 03:13 PM (3sDOE)
Yeah, I've wondered if paying the tax allows the taxpayer to claim to be impacted by some provision of the law and thus have standing to contest...something. Anything. Help me out, people.
Posted by: joncelli at September 25, 2013 11:16 AM (RD7QR)
Well then.
The True Conservative™ in the room.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 25, 2013 11:17 AM (6T8Ay)
Unless they find someway to scam some cash out of it, I don't think we are going to get a high percentage of crips, bloods, Latin Kings, Nortes, etc complying with Obamacare.
Scam. Obamacare. Okay I take that back and believe we will see literally 110% compliance by these gangs.
Posted by: polynikes at September 25, 2013 11:17 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: thunderb at September 25, 2013 11:17 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Lizzy at September 25, 2013 11:18 AM (U6BWX)
Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 25, 2013 03:14 PM (0axsw)
Rest assured, the DoJ will be assisting the IRS in fully legal mandate enforcement activities in a manner to be determined by HHS Sec Sibelius!
Just think Fast and Furiouser!
Posted by: Eric "Red" Holder at September 25, 2013 11:18 AM (XdnQT)
Gyno exams will all be provided by a guy in a creepy Burger King plastic rictus face outfit. It's on page 3,982 of the ACA.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 25, 2013 11:18 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: zombie at September 25, 2013 11:18 AM (+cx5n)
I regret California is only increasing 18%. 1800% would of been preferable.
Well thanks to the new minimum wage laws that Moonbeam just signed, hiking it up to $9.00 next year and then $10.00 the year after that, there'll be so many businesses closing up shop and people unemployed that that 18% will feel like 1800% to the poor bastards who have no escape.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 25, 2013 11:18 AM (4df7R)
>>>I don't think we are going to get a high percentage of crips, bloods, Latin Kings, Nortes, etc complying with Obamacare.
Betcha they don't get asked sh*t about guns in the home, either.
Posted by: Bigby's Dice-Rolling Hand at September 25, 2013 11:18 AM (3ZtZW)
Instead of a speculum, it will be BBQ tongs.
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 11:18 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 25, 2013 11:19 AM (a4Omg)
Posted by: Ian S. at September 25, 2013 03:18 PM (B/VB5)
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..... using a spork.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 25, 2013 11:19 AM (nELVU)
How fucking awesome is the Bronze Plan?
60/40 split fucking awesome.
Yeah.
They pay 60%--after you pay deductible and premiums--you pay 40%--on top of your deductible and premiums.
Raise your hand if you have 80/20--the standard coverage--right now.
See that shit?
That's the hell you get to join in the next two years.
You will get to now pay more for less so those who never wasted a bit of their youth caring about their future can now get free health insurance.
Isn't that so fucking fair?
What is the tier that will be 80/20?
That's the Gold Plan, my friend.
Go ahead. Price that shit under the "Affordable" Care Act.
Isn't it nice to know that your bare-bones, basic plan is now considered a "gold" plan?
But what about the 90/10 and above plans some of you might have now?
Don't even think about it--you won't qualify. You are not rich enough, not healthy enough--fuck you: Enjoy the Bronze Pile of Shit.
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 25, 2013 11:19 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 25, 2013 11:19 AM (VtjlW)
Stand with Cruz! Empower the Republicans to have cover so they can keep their phony baloney jobs and keep going to cocktail parties, just so long as Harry Reid gets his way. Just send us your money. Peasants. Enjoy the higher costs of the economy wrecking Obamacare.
Just send us money so we can elect people like McConnell, who will fight Obamacare with nothing less than a filibuster proof Senate, as long as it doesn't offend their esteemed colleagues who passed this, the law of the land you will learn to love as we, your betters, control you like puppets. Which is so great that there isn't enough for us to enjoy.
Posted by: A Plea from the RNC and Rinse Preebus at September 25, 2013 11:20 AM (dSE0q)
I'm young and male. My health is great. Fuck Obama, I will not be throwing my money at this. It's hard enough to get by in his economy without pissing cash away. End of story.
Just BE SURE that you don't have any money coming back in the form of a refund next year -
THAT is how they are going to enforce the "penalty" (which may or may not be a tax.....).
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at September 25, 2013 11:20 AM (PZ6/M)
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Meh......
What. Woman. Doesn't??
Posted by: fixerupper at September 25, 2013 11:20 AM (nELVU)
We are running the Atlas Shrugged playbook. Now the Alinskites will blame the eeeevil insurance companies for all of this. Stupid people buy it and we go to a single-payer rationing system where your political beliefs are the major determiner of who gets treated.
Probably lots of free mental health coverage too.
Posted by: Beagle at September 25, 2013 11:20 AM (sOtz/)
Obamacare is bad. You may criticize it and those who passed it if you wish.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 25, 2013 11:20 AM (SY2Kh)
Zombie
they want it to collapse. Its a feature, not a bug. They will "improve" it by instituting single payer. So if people refuse to enroll, super! Hasten the collapse
Posted by: thunderb at September 25, 2013 11:20 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 25, 2013 03:17 PM (6T8Ay)
Snark not aimed at me right?
I'm far from a TruCon in several areas, and I admit that, you go to war with the world you have, not the one you want.
Posted by: tsrblke, actual real life PhD student at September 25, 2013 11:20 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at September 25, 2013 11:20 AM (yETln)
And they'll be all about contraceptives to please the vagina warriors. But stuff like breast exams, pap smears, and treatment for ovarian and breast cancer will become limited.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 25, 2013 11:21 AM (U6BWX)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 25, 2013 03:01 PM (4df7R)
You lost me after ta-tas.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 25, 2013 11:21 AM (kPeSM)
ACA enforcement mechanism or lack thereof? Anyone got that nailed down anywhere.
Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 25, 2013 03:14 PM (0axsw)
I think an important aspect of Roberts' decision -- that the IRS can't use it's typical enforcement mechanisms -- is deeply sinister. It leaves open a door,s winging on its hinges into a black gaping void that gets to be filled with... anything.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 25, 2013 11:21 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: [s]Lois Lerner[/s] Daniel Werfel at September 25, 2013 11:21 AM (aDwsi)
Pre-existing condition dude.
You're gonna get the Pear of Anguish
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 25, 2013 11:22 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 25, 2013 03:10 PM (aDwsi)
An "8" immediately followed by a ")".
eight close parantheses =
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Happy Hour! Cocktails of Betrayal 50% Off! at September 25, 2013 11:22 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: CarolT at September 25, 2013 11:22 AM (z4WKX)
or have taxes if you are owed as a 'penalty' or tax payment for notn compliance?
Posted by: willow at September 25, 2013 11:22 AM (nqBYe)
>>>It leaves open a door,s winging on its hinges into a black gaping void that gets to be filled with... anything.
cookies?
Posted by: Bigby's Dice-Rolling Hand at September 25, 2013 11:22 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 25, 2013 03:19 PM (VtjlW)
Coming from you, benevolent dictator, that is high praise indeed!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 25, 2013 11:23 AM (4df7R)
cookies?
Posted by: Bigby's Dice-Rolling Hand at September 25, 2013 03:22 PM (3ZtZW)
Wet panties?
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 11:23 AM (GQ8sn)
Sheeeeeet, grrlfirend! I sees that every night!
Posted by: Reggie Love[/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 25, 2013 11:23 AM (6T8Ay)
Posted by: willow at September 25, 2013 11:23 AM (nqBYe)
The first step there is for someone who actually understands this monstrosity to draw up a tutorial on exactly, in nuts and bolts detail, one does this. Most people - even smart people - are flailing in the dark.
Posted by: Jaws at September 25, 2013 11:23 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: thunderb at September 25, 2013 03:15 PM (zOTsN)
Ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner!
I said this back in late 2009 and was scoffed at by some of my acquaintances. They're not scoffing anymore now that some of their employers are dumping their coverage.
Posted by: Foul Harold at September 25, 2013 11:23 AM (m/WmK)
was that really true?
if so , it really is unbelievable or should be.
Posted by: willow at September 25, 2013 11:24 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: RWC at September 25, 2013 11:24 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 25, 2013 11:24 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: wrg500 at September 25, 2013 03:21 PM (kPeSM)
*gibbers* I HATE THAT CUTESY CRAP. *claws face of passing feminist*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 25, 2013 11:24 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 25, 2013 03:23 PM (4df7R)
She's doing it for the boobeh access.
Which, come to think of it, is an excellent reason.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 25, 2013 11:24 AM (6T8Ay)
>>>It leaves open a door,s winging on its hinges into a black gaping void that gets to be filled with... anything.
That singing frog from Bugs Bunny
Posted by: Bigby's Dice-Rolling Hand at September 25, 2013 11:24 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: willow at September 25, 2013 03:23 PM (nqBYe)
No. Nothing that aggressive.
Since the IRS is running the enforcement department, they will simply garnish your wages for the "correct" amount to ensure you are in compliance.
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 11:24 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: willow at September 25, 2013 11:25 AM (nqBYe)
Enforcement? Heck, they're cutting back on healthcare fraud investigation and didn't spend the money to implement adequate security to their Obamacare hub. They can't think of enough ways to have this fail in order to usher in single-payer.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 25, 2013 11:25 AM (U6BWX)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 25, 2013 11:25 AM (aDwsi)
Did someone mention BEAR?
Posted by: Navycopjoe at September 25, 2013 03:23 PM (HQX6o)/i]
Oh jeebus...not again.
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 11:25 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 03:24 PM (GQ8sn)
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Isnt the penalty for not having approved insurance the first year like $95 bucks??
Posted by: fixerupper at September 25, 2013 11:26 AM (nELVU)
nice side effect yes?
Posted by: willow at September 25, 2013 11:26 AM (nqBYe)
And sooner or later, those men with guns will be met at the door by other men with guns who have nothing left to lose. What a wonderful prescription for a healthy republic.
Posted by: Jaws at September 25, 2013 11:26 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: joncelli at September 25, 2013 03:03 PM (RD7QR)"
Cloward-Piven. Look it up. At first I didn't believe it, but it's a thing.
Posted by: PJ at September 25, 2013 11:26 AM (ZWaLo)
>>>It leaves open a door,s winging on its hinges into a black gaping void that gets to be filled with... anything.
cookies?
Posted by: Bigby's Dice-Rolling Hand at September 25, 2013 03:22 PM (3ZtZW)
Sure. But they'll be STALE FIG NEWTONS, and there is no milk.
Wet panties?
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 03:23 PM (GQ8sn)
Yep.
Rosie O'Donnell's.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 25, 2013 11:26 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: the youth vote at September 25, 2013 11:26 AM (M2qTM)
Posted by: willow at September 25, 2013 11:26 AM (nqBYe)
Close. SO very close.
Next time, my pretty.
Next time.
Posted by: The Barrel[/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 25, 2013 11:26 AM (6T8Ay)
It's supposed to be a percentage of your income. I think $95 is the floor, but it goes up every year after that to a new minimum.
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 11:27 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 25, 2013 03:21 PM (4df7R)
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That is exactly what I thought when I read the law's exerpts upthread.
IRS SWAT teams. We won't be taking any of your shit, but you won't be around to enjoy it.
Posted by: Soona at September 25, 2013 11:27 AM (3sDOE)
We're gonna be like the Italians and make getting creative at tax time a national pass time.
Buon pomerrigio!!
Posted by: fastfreefall at September 25, 2013 11:27 AM (tZIYc)
As far as "womyn's healthcare" is concerned, once you're too old to abort a child you cease to exist.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 25, 2013 11:27 AM (/kI1Q)
Rosie O'Donnell's.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 25, 2013 03:26 PM (4df7R)
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Those are "whetted" panties.....
Posted by: fixerupper at September 25, 2013 11:27 AM (nELVU)
nice side effect yes?
Posted by: willow at September 25, 2013 03:26 PM (nqBYe)
I forsee a gradual increase in off-book cash only jobs.
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 11:28 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Lois Lerner Daniel Werfel at September 25, 2013 03:21 PM (aDwsi)
Brilliance on the part of the Alinskii commies. What entity knows to the kcufing penny exactly how much money you have in every banking/investment/retirement account in the United States banking system?
Good thing that no Dem administration would ever expect the IRS to violate "regulations" and seize any of your funds for non-compliance, or even consider garnishing your wages.
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 25, 2013 11:28 AM (XdnQT)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 25, 2013 11:28 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 25, 2013 03:25 PM (aDwsi)
i bet they would be so cheap with pain killers not even give enough to say the long goodbye , just pull you along until you are writhing in absolute misery, unless you have a lobbiest to help you.
Posted by: willow at September 25, 2013 11:28 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: wrg500 at September 25, 2013 11:28 AM (xZ8Ay)
Fairly logical. They got theirs, so fuck everyone else.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 25, 2013 11:29 AM (/kI1Q)
Did someone mention BEAR?
Posted by: Navycopjoe at September 25, 2013 03:23 PM (HQX6o)
It was a grizzly bear, not a Chicago Pansy Bear.
Sheesh.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Happy Hour! Cocktails of Betrayal 50% Off! at September 25, 2013 11:29 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at September 25, 2013 11:29 AM (Pexsc)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at September 25, 2013 02:46 PM (+9dyn)
In Nevada it's a reflection of Harry Reed
Posted by: The Jackhole at September 25, 2013 11:29 AM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Sam Clovis, Iowa Senate candidate who StandsWithCruz! at September 25, 2013 11:29 AM (jevZa)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 25, 2013 03:28 PM (VtjlW)
I still have a picture of the feet.
Pedicure, my Queen?
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 25, 2013 11:29 AM (6T8Ay)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 25, 2013 11:30 AM (qyfb5)
Pedicure, my Queen?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 25, 2013 03:29 PM (6T8Ay)
No glass slipper?
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 11:30 AM (GQ8sn)
Darn good point. What's the U6 unemployment rate for under 30's? 18%?
Not to mention that young people are the most likely to take to the streets when they don't like something. Maybe that's the planned instigator for their next step:
(1) Screw young people multiple ways with Obamacare
(2) Young people protest in the streets
(3) "Rescue" with single-payer.
Posted by: Splunge at September 25, 2013 11:30 AM (bKA83)
Posted by: willow at September 25, 2013 11:30 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 25, 2013 03:28 PM (VtjlW)
But wouldn't the Awesome Stepstool of Awesomeness make it more difficult for your devoted subjects to peer down your blouse, my queen of adorably short stature?
Or... wait, does the step stool allow you to peer down your SUBJECTS' blouses?
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. *lightbulb!*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 25, 2013 11:31 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 25, 2013 11:31 AM (yETln)
Posted by: ToursLepantoVienna at September 25, 2013 11:31 AM (6NIyO)
Posted by: Bigby's Dice-Rolling Hand at September 25, 2013 11:31 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: EC at September 25, 2013 03:28 PM (GQ8sn)
Which will be met with ever harsher penalties. The gubmint don't like itself no "shadow economy." You can't control people when you don't know what they got in the shoebox under the bed.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 25, 2013 11:31 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: thunderb at September 25, 2013 11:32 AM (zOTsN)
John Roberts, I hope you get cancer of the testicle.
This sucks. It will be a body blow to the American economy when the premiums skyrocket.
As Ming the Merciless said, we shall all "be content with less."
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 25, 2013 11:32 AM (TpXEI)
Posted by: zombie at September 25, 2013 11:32 AM (+cx5n)
Posted by: CarolT at September 25, 2013 11:33 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: ToursLepantoVienna at September 25, 2013 03:31 PM (6NIyO)
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They were sooooo fucked up before that Obamacare actually "improved" things.
Mull that one over a bit.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 25, 2013 11:33 AM (nELVU)
Yeah, you know who is probably the most pissed off about that one? The members of the death panel. Sorry, I meant the IPAB.
Posted by: Splunge at September 25, 2013 11:33 AM (bKA83)
When you've been freebasing crazy as long as we have, a little more doesn't make that much difference.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at September 25, 2013 11:33 AM (0q2P7)
when millions more will be unemployed and when they actually get another opportunity to get on their feet it will be a long haul to success as much of their money will be stolen in taxes , taking much longer to be able to buy a home, buy a nice car, have children .
?
Posted by: willow at September 25, 2013 11:33 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: joncelli at September 25, 2013 03:03 PM (RD7QR) ***
We're from the Government and we're here to help. Single Payer (Medicare for All..).
afternoon everyone.
Posted by: rich@gmu at September 25, 2013 11:33 AM (3yFC4)
Posted by: brak at September 25, 2013 11:34 AM (M2qTM)
Shut up, I do too do girly shit.
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 25, 2013 11:34 AM (VtjlW)
I don't know if you've noticed, but most of the people having children these days don't bother to do any of that because the government will pay for it all.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 25, 2013 11:35 AM (/kI1Q)
When you've been freebasing crazy as long as we have, a little more doesn't make that much difference.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at September 25, 2013 03:33 PM (0q2P7)
Except if you are over 40 it's plus 69%
Posted by: The Jackhole at September 25, 2013 11:35 AM (nTgAI)
Posted by: eleven at September 25, 2013 11:36 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: CarolT at September 25, 2013 11:36 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: thunderb at September 25, 2013 11:36 AM (zOTsN)
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Perhaps. But that also doesnt mean they arent going to spectacularly crater country by trying.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 25, 2013 11:36 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 25, 2013 03:12 PM (4df7R)
Stop. Just... stop.
Posted by: MegaIndependento at September 25, 2013 03:16 PM"
Speak for yourself, bub.
Go on....
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 25, 2013 11:36 AM (knoK7)
PS to those maps, those are the best case scenarios for everybody. History will tell you that the best case will not happen.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 25, 2013 11:36 AM (sj9LN)
And they'll be all about contraceptives to please the vagina warriors.
But stuff like breast exams, pap smears, and treatment for ovarian and
breast cancer will become limited.
As far as "womyn's healthcare" is concerned, once you're too old to abort a child you cease to exist.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 25, 2013 03:27 PM (/kI1Q)
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The lab in which I work got a letter from the government stating that reimbursments for anatomical pathology will be cut 75% on Oct 1st.
So many labs will quit screening pap smears and curtail anatomical analysis for ovarian cancer along with all other body sites.
Yes. Medicine is definitely going to be much lower quality than it is now.
Posted by: Soona at September 25, 2013 11:37 AM (3sDOE)
Time for an IPO for a secure gated compound in Mexico with guaranteed safe transit (up-armored HMMWVs) from a Texas location to the AoS Cash and Carry Health Clinic of Mexico.
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 25, 2013 11:37 AM (XdnQT)
>>>and we are a socialist nation henceforth.
You've been soaking in it since Wilson's admin. This is just the full flowering of the butthole before it drops the turd.
Posted by: Bigby's Dice-Rolling Hand at September 25, 2013 11:37 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: rich@gmu at September 25, 2013 11:37 AM (3yFC4)
@287 zombie
That's a good point. I don't believe in inevitability when many human beings are involved.
But it sure seems like we are going to Alinsky our way to a health care system like the Soviet Union. Politically, ignoring actual real world results, Obama is formidable. He is the Pied Piper of LIVs.
OTOH, maybe the filibuster which was viciously and deceitfully condemned by 80% of the media changed some minds. Just the way I had to write that makes me think it didn't.
Posted by: Beagle at September 25, 2013 11:38 AM (sOtz/)
"Pre-existing condition dude.
You're gonna get the Pear of Anguish"
Hell, I'm golden. Older, married, insured with health problems. I'm what Obamacare was designed for.
It's that poor dumb bastard who's young, employed and healthy who is going to get boned.
I'm going to go to the emergency room if I just feel like talking. That young guy can afford to pay for it.
Sweet, sweet healthcare.
Posted by: jwest at September 25, 2013 11:38 AM (u2a4R)
I'm sorry, but you'll just have to bend over and take your ass fucking like a man. The only way I get to pay less if for you to pay more, so there you have it.
Oh, and it won't be long till the Social Security kicks in, so keep busting ass so the pot won't run dry.
Thanks...
Posted by: jwest at September 25, 2013 03:16 PM (u2a4R)
No, no, no. You don't thank a wage slave for providing your needs, you tell him to fuck off. Call him a few names too...hater, racist, teabagger, just whatever comes to mind. Accuse him of wanting to kill people, and enslave women.
It's the American way!
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 25, 2013 11:38 AM (sCynV)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 25, 2013 03:37 PM (uvaJ1)
Awwww. You're such a sweetheart. I will ask for special dispensation from AtC that you be allowed to sleep indoors in Alextopia.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 25, 2013 11:39 AM (4df7R)
Which is nice, but they're all multimillionaires. 1) Their premiums will come out of petty cash, and 2) They'll still have enough cash to pay for whatever they need, here or abroad.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 25, 2013 11:39 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 25, 2013 11:39 AM (dfYL9)
I believe the idea is that as costs continue to increase, people will demand that Something Must Be Done.
Single Payer definitely could be implemented in such a way as to reduce costs. Unfortunately, the tradeoff is waiting lists, lower quality of care, and Death Panels.
Right now, people aren't ready to make that trade. If it gets to the point where private insurance becomes too expensive even for the middle class? Who knows?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 25, 2013 11:39 AM (SY2Kh)
***Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 25, 2013 03:34 PM (VtjlW)***
a t-shirt idea. ha.
Posted by: rich@gmu at September 25, 2013 11:39 AM (3yFC4)
You've been soaking in it since Wilson's admin. This is just the full flowering of the butthole before it drops the turd.
Posted by: Bigby's Dice-Rolling Hand
Still have a way to go before the endgame of Socialism - Deathcamps.
Of course, our death camps will all have red crosses on them and an Emergency entrance.
Posted by: Roy at September 25, 2013 11:40 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 25, 2013 11:40 AM (yETln)
Don't forget to tell him he's a greedy selfish jerk because your check isn't big enough.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 25, 2013 11:40 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: CarolT at September 25, 2013 11:40 AM (z4WKX)
..the IRS cannot come after you in the same way they go after people for not paying their taxes.
The Hell you say !
Posted by: Lois lerner at September 25, 2013 11:41 AM (nCSwS)
Not a joke. I noticed a recent uptick in articles about people opting for a "portable" lifestyle.
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 25, 2013 11:41 AM (9MLX+)
Pretty soon this is what you will hear on a traffic stop.
Cop: I'll need to see your license and registration. And your health insurance card.
Posted by: polynikes at September 25, 2013 11:41 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: tasker at September 25, 2013 11:41 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Joe at September 25, 2013 11:42 AM (7pOq5)
Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 25, 2013 11:42 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 25, 2013 11:42 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: Sam Clovis, Iowa Senate candidate who StandsWithCruz! at September 25, 2013 11:42 AM (jevZa)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 25, 2013 11:43 AM (qyfb5)
Seriously, just because these people think they have some clever endgame plan, doesn't mean it's ever go to happen as they envision.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 25, 2013 03:39 PM (SY2Kh)
It's not just about the cost increase either. It's about the process. Make the process difficult, byzantine and confusing, and you'll get people throwing up their hands and saying, "Someone else should be doing this, not me!"
In swoops teh gubmint to say, "We'll do it!"
It'll be like withholding in everyone's paychecks, and will have the same distancing effect.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 25, 2013 11:43 AM (4df7R)
The idea that you can "choose more than one issue" to be "most focused on" of course makes a total mockery of logic and the English language.
But Mooch is a Princeton graduate, so there's that.
It's precisely in the same way that Mooch's husband will announce one day that jobs are his "top priority". Then the next day, foreign policy is his "top priority". Then 24 hours after that, global warming is his "top priority".
When everything is a top priority, nothing has priority. The most fundamentally amateurish and unserious Presidency in the entire history of the nation.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 25, 2013 11:43 AM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Bigby's Dice-Rolling Hand at September 25, 2013 03:31 PM (3ZtZW)
----------------------------------------------------
Two places to watch for future "quality" medical care: Costa Rica and Thailand.
Posted by: Soona at September 25, 2013 11:43 AM (3sDOE)
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at September 25, 2013 11:43 AM (dvRYt)
Posted by: CarolT at September 25, 2013 11:43 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: NWConservative at September 25, 2013 11:44 AM (d1L9d)
You've heard of "Staycation" ... 'Funemployment"?
How bout "Carpartments"?
Yayyyy.....
Posted by: eleven at September 25, 2013 11:45 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 25, 2013 11:45 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 25, 2013 11:45 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Orlandocon ette at September 25, 2013 11:46 AM (SldZ2)
There's a shitload of really good specialists in south FL. I expect most of them to setup shop in the Bahamas at cash clinics.
Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 25, 2013 11:47 AM (9MLX+)
@341
The key is blaming the eeeevil corporation for what is happening. That's underway in their talking points already. So it's not that much of a leap. The key to everything they do is to cause a problem, blame someone else, and then fix the problem with more of what caused it. Repeat as necessary.
We've got the problem as the chart demonstrates so it's on to the blaming stage.
Posted by: Progtard in Wymn's Studies at September 25, 2013 11:48 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 25, 2013 11:49 AM (dfYL9)
Posted by: Orlandocon ette at September 25, 2013 11:49 AM (SldZ2)
@MWR, Proud.....
You suffering from steroid rage? I am not sure I feel comfortable with you being around women after reading that.
Posted by: ClemsonGrad96 at September 25, 2013 11:51 AM (5CSVY)
Posted by: zombie at September 25, 2013 11:52 AM (+cx5n)
Posted by: Sam Clovis, Iowa Senate candidate who StandsWithCruz! at September 25, 2013 11:52 AM (jevZa)
The map for females (at the link) is somewhat less red. But it's plenty pink.
____
I see what you did there...
Posted by: socalcon at September 25, 2013 11:53 AM (vHlQ5)
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 25, 2013 11:54 AM (mHUKK)
Posted by: redenzo at September 25, 2013 11:55 AM (vx61Q)
Posted by: Sam Clovis, Iowa Senate candidate who StandsWithCruz! at September 25, 2013 11:55 AM (jevZa)
Huh. In all the pictures, Sam Clovis looks like a guy.
I can't get behind the "repeal the 19th!" crowd, though. Gullibility, greed, sloth, stupidity, ignorance--none of those things are gender-specific.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 25, 2013 11:59 AM (/kI1Q)
So...
I've been watching this thing progress since it passed in 2009 and I've stood very much in the camp of repeal it, more govt control of my life is bad etc..
I still believe that, and i think the way this ultimately can be solved is by opening health insurance tot he free market and deregulating it to some degree like other insurances..
But...
I just sat through the first concrete explanation of how this change effects me in the 4-5 years we've been waiting and I have to say its not great but its not horrible... I'll manage and overall I think me and mine we be okay...
That being said, if you have to rely on exchanges, you're truly fucked unless you're so rich you don't care or so poor you can apply for aid... If you're middle income in middle America you're fucked, but thats nothing new... We shall see how this thing progresses but I'm beginning to wonder if both sides haven't played off the extreme examples a bit too much...
Posted by: Hood at September 25, 2013 12:01 PM (JBgac)
Posted by: Born Free at September 25, 2013 12:02 PM (gLZXf)
This is not the Clemson I remember. But then again, I was really drunk most of the time.
Posted by: Jaws at September 25, 2013 12:02 PM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: ClemsonGrad96 at September 25, 2013 03:51 PM (5CSVY)
Considering I'm a woman myself it'd be pretty hard to keep me away from myself.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 25, 2013 12:03 PM (4df7R)
Also, stupid stinky sock. Posted by: ChicagoRefugee,what supports Sam Clovis, Iowa Senate candidate who StandsWithCruz! at September 25, 2013 12:06 PM (jevZa)
Posted by: ChicagoRefugee,what supports Sam Clovis, Iowa Senate candidate who StandsWithCruz! at September 25, 2013 12:10 PM (jevZa)
Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at September 25, 2013 12:13 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Dan at September 25, 2013 12:14 PM (m3gf3)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 25, 2013 12:15 PM (qyfb5)
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http://smilies.mee.nu/Posted by: Weirddave at September 25, 2013 12:26 PM (jt8G9)
Posted by: Melvin Frohike at September 25, 2013 12:29 PM (sYLzD)
@363
Are you paying my bills?
I know where you're coming from and trust me I see how it will hurt you and yours, but ultimately I only have bandwidth enough for my problems. My point was simply this. I'm starting to feel like both sides pander to the extreme situation to make their case. Both talk about the 1% that get hurt the most or profit the most depending upon your perspective. Both sides are wrong and both sides emphasize that which their base will react to.
ACA is an example of that. Instead of being honest and forthright about the pros and cons of ACA so we can have an adult discussion about it both sides have run right to the pain points for their constituents.
Its hard to compromise from an extreme position, especially now when you'll get destroyed for doing so. I was fine for 2009 and it appears for now I'll be fine after 2014. Others are not so fortunate and maybe its there that the discussion should start.
Its very possible I'm wrong here, the point I was trying to make is that nobody really knows how this is goign to effect them until they actually see its effects in black and white from someone in a position to communicate it as these thing pertaint to you.
As for the comments about a 27yo man in Nebraska. He is screwed if.
1. He has a pre-existing condition
~and~
2. Makes enough income to keep him over the Govt. determined poverty line
~and~
3. Has no employer coverage
Yes, he's screwed, but given the fact that before ACA he likely would not have been able to get coverage at all is he really all that much further off than he was? That is a scary map up there, but I'm beginning to think its designed to be that way. Please someone tell me I'm wrong here?
Posted by: Hood at September 25, 2013 12:38 PM (JBgac)
Posted by: tmitsss at September 25, 2013 01:02 PM (yuTiW)
84
Can anyone explain--Colorado?
I live in Colorado. My company just notified me that my insurance will increase 54.1% in 2014. So, I'm screwed.
Posted by: lily at September 25, 2013 05:55 PM (uw9jr)
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