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December 13, 2013

Tension In The Greater East Asian Chinese Co-Properity Sphere
— Open Blogger

In case you haven't heard, China recently expanded its air defense zone to include the disputed Senkaku Islands. China senses weakness in the West(rightfully so) and is testing the limits of American power.

Since the announcement the US has flown B-52's through the newly declared Chinese air defense zone, the South Koreans have extended their own air defense zone to include the disputed Islands, and the Japanese instructed their private airlines to continue to fly through the Chinese air defense zone.

This is a recipe for disaster, just last week a Chinese naval vessel tried to force a US warship to stop in international waters.

The guided missile cruiser USS Cowpens, which recently took part in disaster relief operations in the Philippines, was confronted by Chinese warships in the South China Sea near BeijingÂ’s new aircraft carrier Liaoning, according to officials familiar with the incident.
Â“On December 5th, while lawfully operating in international waters in the South China Sea, USS Cowpens and a PLA Navy vessel had an encounter that required maneuvering to avoid a collision,Â” a Navy official said.
Â“This incident underscores the need to ensure the highest standards of professional seamanship, including communications between vessels, to mitigate the risk of an unintended incident or mishap.Â”

Keep an eye towards Asia in the early 21st century. The current circumstances there resemble that of late 18th and early 19th century Europe. Land and sea grabs, rising and declining great powers, irredentist feelings, historical rivalries, increased military spending, a thirst for power, domestic need for resources, and poor communication. When reached for comment on the situation in Asia, Fred Thompson said:

Posted by: Open Blogger at 05:47 AM | Comments (246)
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1 Ahhh, the Cowpens. There's a story about her and the female skipper.

She was.....abusive...to put it kindly.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 05:50 AM (GQ8sn)

2 Obama's got it. Nothing to worry about, folks! #getcovered

Posted by: Geraldine Ferraro at December 13, 2013 05:51 AM (epWQP)

3 Not to worry, Joe Biden will smooth things over.

Posted by: votermom at December 13, 2013 05:51 AM (GSIDW)

4 I'll go get the others.

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 13, 2013 05:51 AM (LSJmV)

5 so this is how world war 3 begins.

Posted by: ghost at December 13, 2013 05:51 AM (OBJis)

6 I fear this will be the case http://youtu.be/Emdzsz_XvfA

Posted by: MikeTalley73 at December 13, 2013 05:52 AM (kXcmQ)

7 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at December 13, 2013 05:52 AM (PYAXX)

8 Can we surrender yet?

Posted by: John Kerry at December 13, 2013 05:52 AM (rCS6C)

9 In before Fred Thomas.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at December 13, 2013 05:53 AM (PYAXX)

10 Perhaps we should consider reequipping our ships with rams.

Posted by: toby928© of the banned at December 13, 2013 05:53 AM (evdj2)

11 Direct result of having a Democrat for President, and one who is one of the worst, if not the worst.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 13, 2013 05:53 AM (T2V/1)

12 This interesting times shit is no fun. No fun at all.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 13, 2013 05:53 AM (VtjlW)

13 so this is how world war 3 begins.' At the very least, it's how Cold War II begins. In some ways WWIII would be preferable.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at December 13, 2013 05:54 AM (PYAXX)

14 This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: Admiral Josh Painter at December 13, 2013 05:54 AM (DrWcr)

15 Key Question: Are there any islamist groups that Obama can support if we go to war with China?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 13, 2013 05:54 AM (75ksb)

16 absolutely thrilled by our future options.

not.

Posted by: willow at December 13, 2013 05:54 AM (nqBYe)

17 How would Admirial Nimitz have handled this?

Posted by: fluffy at December 13, 2013 05:54 AM (Ua6T/)

18 Perhaps we should consider reequipping our ships with rams.

Posted by: toby928Â© of the banned at December 13, 2013 09:53 AM (evdj2)

Goats are preferred, infidel!

Posted by: Muhammad Mahmoud Mohammed at December 13, 2013 05:54 AM (DrWcr)

19
Barry: No problem. I'll have my personal sign language guy, who I met in South Africa, go over there to straighten things out.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 13, 2013 05:54 AM (1Jaio)

20 Are there any islamist groups that Obama can support if we go to war with China?

The Uighurs? Is that the right spelling?

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 05:54 AM (GQ8sn)

21 "It would be well for your government to consider that having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity... is inherently DANGEROUS. Wars have begun that way, Mr. Ambassador."

Posted by: ValJar at December 13, 2013 05:55 AM (f9c2L)

22 >>> Perhaps we should consider reequipping our ships with rams. Not even ewes?

Posted by: fluffy at December 13, 2013 05:55 AM (Ua6T/)

23 Are there any islamist groups that Obama can support if we go to war with China? Sadly, I believe the answer to that question is "yes."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at December 13, 2013 05:55 AM (PYAXX)

24 How would Admirial Nimitz have handled this?

"Give me a firing solution on that boat!"

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 05:55 AM (GQ8sn)

25 Off damned sock!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 13, 2013 05:55 AM (f9c2L)

26 China might be a bit preoccupied with NORKs. The uncle the little fat dictator killed was the chief liaison to China

Posted by: Thunderb at December 13, 2013 05:55 AM (zOTsN)

27 TFG squishy pants & Chuck "The Stud" Hagel are on top of this. No worries whatsoever.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 13, 2013 05:56 AM (HVff2)

28 15 Key Question:
Are there any islamist groups that Obama can support if we go to war with China?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 13, 2013 09:54 AM (75ksb)

We will not go to war with China. Obama will roll over and the rest of the Pacific will write us off just like the they did when the Democrats shit on S. Vietnam.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 13, 2013 05:56 AM (T2V/1)

29 @15 The Uighurs (wee-gurs)

Posted by: Beagle at December 13, 2013 05:56 AM (sOtz/)

30 looks at alex's tea cup.
no nice steam , colder than lake erie .
Bannion is less than helpful.

Posted by: willow at December 13, 2013 05:56 AM (nqBYe)

31 The Uighurs? Is that the right spelling?
Posted by: EC
........
That's one of many spellings.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 13, 2013 05:56 AM (f9c2L)

32 I saw the Cowpens open for the Cowsills in '71 at the state fair. The crowd was largely white.

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 13, 2013 05:56 AM (LSJmV)

33 The Uighurs (wee-gurs)

Posted by: Beagle at December 13, 2013 09:56 AM (sOtz/)

I hate Uighurs.

Posted by: Zombie Robert Byrd at December 13, 2013 05:56 AM (DrWcr)

15Key Question:
Are there any islamist groups that Obama can support if we go to war with China?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 13, 2013 09:54 AM (75ksb)

Here's my card.

Posted by: East Turkestan Islamic Movement at December 13, 2013 05:56 AM (5iuEW)

35 Perhaps we should consider reequipping our ships with rams. ----------------- Not even ewes? Bouncing baby lambs?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at December 13, 2013 05:56 AM (PYAXX)

@15

Yes actually. In the Xin Jiang province which is in Western China, they have a fairly large muslim population that they don't get along with.

Posted by: Ben at December 13, 2013 05:57 AM (ogVWw)

37 Since the announcement the US has flown B-52's through the newly declared Chinese air defense zone

Did they see a faded sign at the end of the road that said "Fifteen miles to the war shack"?

Posted by: The Lost Dutchman at December 13, 2013 05:58 AM (9F2c1)

38 I wouldn't say it is a recipe for disaster, but a recipe for making the Chinese stand down. A disaster would be if we allowed their territorial grabs to stand.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 13, 2013 05:59 AM (eGmvn)

39 Tin roof. Rusted

Posted by: Thunderb at December 13, 2013 05:59 AM (zOTsN)

40 A now deceased friend of mine served on Admiral Nimitz' ship during WWII. Said he was one of the nicest people he ever met and would ask everyone only to salute him in the morning and not to waste time doing it after that.

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 13, 2013 05:59 AM (LSJmV)

41 Here's the story on the Cowpens' former skipper:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holly_Graf

She definitely looks like someone you didn't want finding out your name.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 05:59 AM (GQ8sn)

42 Perhaps we should consider reequipping our ships with rams.
-----------------
Not even ewes?

Bouncing baby lambs?

ewe guys knock it off over there.

Posted by: willow at December 13, 2013 05:59 AM (nqBYe)

I don't think China will do anything dumb unless a Taiwanese military vessel enters that area. The long term tension could be enough to cause a stupid move and incident on their part.

Posted by: polynikes at December 13, 2013 05:59 AM (m2CN7)

44 Perhaps we should consider reequipping our ships with rams.
And loudspeakers playing the "ramming speed" music. (And the fight music from the original Star Trek.)

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 13, 2013 06:00 AM (vjQ/G)

45 The most important thing is that it is not President Obama's fault. Hell, he didn't even know about it until he read it in the papers.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 13, 2013 06:00 AM (ee9LE)

46 Uh, dude. Me and my Ronin brothers are available, but we don't come cheap.

Posted by: Keanu Reeves at December 13, 2013 06:00 AM (UzPAd)

47 We will not go to war with China. Obama will roll over and the rest of the Pacific will write us off just like the they did when the Democrats shit on S. Vietnam.
Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2013 09:56 AM (T2V/1)

This.
And every other place since Obama took office: Libya, Egypt, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria ...

Posted by: jwb7605 [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 13, 2013 06:00 AM (3Tv+N)

48 Barry: China better watch out or I'll sic the IRS on them.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 13, 2013 06:00 AM (1Jaio)

49 17 How would Admirial Nimitz have handled this? Turkey trots to water where is task force 34 the world wonders s/ CinC

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN (Mentioned in Despatches) at December 13, 2013 06:00 AM (O7OxF)

50 Where's "the littlest sailor"? We need to consult with him.

Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 13, 2013 06:01 AM (h4eud)

51 >>> "Give me a firing solution on that boat!" Firing solution sounds like 90s corporate speak. Is that like ordering a gunnery officer to draw up a plan of attack?

Posted by: fluffy at December 13, 2013 06:01 AM (Ua6T/)

52 Barry: China better watch out or I'll sic the IRS on them.

China: LOL! We already own you round eye!!!

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 06:01 AM (GQ8sn)

53 perhaps the administration can send China a reset button with some wrong promise on it.

Posted by: willow at December 13, 2013 06:01 AM (nqBYe)

54 1 Ahhh, the Cowpens. There's a story about her and the female skipper.

She was.....abusive...to put it kindly.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 09:50 AM (GQ8sn)

I know a couple of folks who worked for Holly Graf. One on the Cowpens and one on the Winston S. Churchill. She should have been fired for nearly creating an international incident on the bridge when she slapped her Navigator, a Royal Navy Lieutenant. I merely mentioned her name to the Cowpens Sailor (a Chief) and he went on an hour-long rant. The other guy is a neighbor two doors down who politely refuses to talk about it at all.

Posted by: Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at December 13, 2013 06:01 AM (Nk6GS)

55 The only people in the world afraid of the JEF are republicans in congress

Posted by: Thunderb at December 13, 2013 06:02 AM (zOTsN)

In the Xin Jiang province which is in Western China, they have a fairly large muslim population that they don't get along with.

The only part of China I actually enjoyed being in. Probably because they have decent food, and don't get along with the communists.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 13, 2013 06:02 AM (eGmvn)

57 I believe demonstrated weakness and total flexibility in negotiations, when mixed into confused foreign policy goals and utopian faith in the inherent human goodness of warlords, will lead to peace breaking out all over!

Posted by: President For Life Obama at December 13, 2013 06:02 AM (F58x4)

58 42 Perhaps we should consider reequipping our ships with rams. ----------------- Not even ewes? Bouncing baby lambs? ewe guys knock it off over there. --- Baa baa baa, baa baa ba Ann!

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2013 06:02 AM (/Crba)

59 That's a touching story. Except Nimitz and his staff was headquartered at Pearl Harbor the entire war.

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN (Mentioned in Despatches) at December 13, 2013 06:02 AM (O7OxF)

60 Irredentist = word of the day. I challenge all of AOSHQ's minion's to use it in common conversation today.

Posted by: Biscuit at December 13, 2013 06:02 AM (V17AN)

61 This should be interesting, first thing we have to do before going to war with China, is borrow the money from them to pay for the war.

Posted by: bike mike at December 13, 2013 06:03 AM (CcQpN)

62 Is that like ordering a gunnery officer to draw up a plan of attack? Posted by: fluffy
..........
Didn't you ever see The Hunt for Red October?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 13, 2013 06:03 AM (f9c2L)

63 Did Pixy do something strange, or did my IP change?
My hash used to be Qxe/p, or something.
Disconcerting (and the Name: and Email boxes were blank, too)

Posted by: jwb7605 [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 13, 2013 06:03 AM (3Tv+N)

64 This should be interesting, first thing we have to do before going to war with China, is borrow the money from them to pay for the war.

Posted by: bike mike at December 13, 2013 10:03 AM (CcQpN)

Have we met?

Posted by: Trillion dollar platinum coin at December 13, 2013 06:04 AM (GQ8sn)

65 Perhaps we should consider reequipping our ships with rams. ----------------- Not even ewes? Bouncing baby lambs? ewe guys knock it off over there. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ There's a Robert Conrad joke in there somewhere.

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 13, 2013 06:04 AM (LSJmV)

66 43 I don't think China will do anything dumb unless a Taiwanese military vessel enters that area. The long term tension could be enough to cause a stupid move and incident on their part. - Reminds me of that old Richard Widmark, Sidney Potiers movie The Bedford Incident. It didn't end well.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 13, 2013 06:04 AM (ee9LE)

67 This is all Cold-War level shit. Shouldering (which is what I assume happened) and general harassment were the order of the day for both sides back in the day. Looks like the South China Sea is going to be a whole lot of fun for the foreseeable future for Navy shiphandlers.

Posted by: Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at December 13, 2013 06:04 AM (Nk6GS)

68 Why can't some special ops teams set charges, blast the substructure of the islands, sink them into the sea, and eliminate this stupidity?

Posted by: logprof at December 13, 2013 06:04 AM (X3GkB)

69 A firing solution is the calculation of trajectory required to hit the target.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 13, 2013 06:04 AM (eGmvn)

70 I know a couple of folks who worked for Holly Graf. One on the Cowpens and one on the Winston S. Churchill. She should have been fired for nearly creating an international incident on the bridge when she slapped her Navigator, a Royal Navy Lieutenant. I merely mentioned her name to the Cowpens Sailor (a Chief) and he went on an hour-long rant. The other guy is a neighbor two doors down who politely refuses to talk about it at all. --- Wiki doesn't go into detail other than to say she was relieved of command after an Admiral's Mast involving verified allegations of abusing members of the crew, conduct unbecoming an officer, and so forth They also said that the admirals reviewing her case recommended "separation from the Navy" and determined she should receive a general discharge. They were overruled and the discharge was upgraded to honorable, which I'm guessing was a political move by the White House.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2013 06:05 AM (/Crba)

71 41 She definitely looks like someone you didn't want finding out your name.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 09:59 AM (GQ8sn)

PC bullshit in violation of the law forbidding women in combat duties.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 13, 2013 06:05 AM (T2V/1)

72 William "Bull" Halsey, now that's another matter. Halsey would probably come back and blow them all out of the water. Nimitz was CINCPAC in WWII, and probably did not stray too far from his HQ at Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 13, 2013 06:05 AM (RFeQD)

73 Irredentist = word of the day. I challenge all of AOSHQ's minion's to use it in common conversation today.

Posted by: Biscuit at December 13, 2013 10:02 AM (V17AN)

Isn't Nevergiveup a Navy irredentist?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 13, 2013 06:05 AM (DrWcr)

74 I know how Captain Kirk would have handled this.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 06:06 AM (GQ8sn)

75 Did Pixy do something strange, or did my IP change?
My hash used to be Qxe/p, or something.
Disconcerting (and the Name: and Email boxes were blank, too)

Be thankful it's not worse, I'm still under bannage.

Posted by: toby928© of the banned at December 13, 2013 06:06 AM (evdj2)

76 Rear Admiral Reggie can torpedo me anytime!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 13, 2013 06:06 AM (DrWcr)

77 Not even ewes? Bouncing baby lambs? Gamboling bouncing lambs?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 13, 2013 06:06 AM (xorT2)

78 74 I know how Captain Kirk would have handled this. --- We come in peace! *sotte vocco* Shoot to kill shoot to kill shoot to kill...

Posted by: The Firm at December 13, 2013 06:07 AM (/Crba)

79 I saw Irredentist open for Anschluss in Vienna in '38.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at December 13, 2013 06:07 AM (A0sHn)

80 69 A firing solution is the calculation of trajectory required to hit the target.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 13, 2013 10:04 AM (eGmvn)

The symbol for my rate when I was in the Navy was a winged theodolite.
Aviation Fire Control Technician.

Civilians thought I was a fire fighter.

Posted by: jwb7605 [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 13, 2013 06:07 AM (3Tv+N)

81 If he fires one, we'll fire one.

FIRE ONE!

Posted by: toby928© of the banned at December 13, 2013 06:07 AM (evdj2)

82 If you don't want your ship being rammed, you have to shear off to the opposite side!

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 13, 2013 06:07 AM (vjQ/G)

83
Wiki doesn't go into detail other than to say she was relieved of command after an Admiral's Mast involving verified allegations of abusing members of the crew, conduct unbecoming an officer, and so forth

They also said that the admirals reviewing her case recommended "separation from the Navy" and determined she should receive a general discharge. They were overruled and the discharge was upgraded to honorable, which I'm guessing was a political move by the White House.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2013 10:05 AM (/Crba)

Nah, that was lawsuit-proofing by the Navy. The Administration didn't get very involved with the situation.

Posted by: Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at December 13, 2013 06:07 AM (Nk6GS)

84 Questions from a confirmed land-lubber:

What would happen if the Chinese had rammed our ship?

What does international law have to say about this?

Could it be simply that the Chinese are inexperienced sailors?

Posted by: joncelli at December 13, 2013 06:07 AM (RD7QR)

85
The thing about confrontations with chinese ships is that you want to do it again an hour later.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 13, 2013 06:07 AM (MaP11)

86 According to my calculations, WE are the sick man of Asia.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 13, 2013 06:07 AM (659DL)

87 If you don't want your ship being rammed, you have to shear off to the opposite side!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 13, 2013 10:07 AM (vjQ/G)

::slow clap::

Posted by: Insomniac at December 13, 2013 06:08 AM (DrWcr)

88 a winged theodolite
Is that like a bottle of Woolite?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 13, 2013 06:08 AM (vjQ/G)

89 Bouncing baby lambs?

ewe ~~guys~~ kids knock it off over there.

FIFY. Here, fify. Here girl. That's a good Fify.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 13, 2013 06:08 AM (xq1UY)

90 Wiki doesn't go into detail other than to say she was relieved of command after an Admiral's Mast involving verified allegations of abusing members of the crew, conduct unbecoming an officer, and so forth

A friend of mine is a MC. He knows the whole story about her and what she did on the Cowpens. Wiki doesn't even come close to scratching the surface.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 06:08 AM (GQ8sn)

91 49 17 How would Admirial Nimitz have handled this? Turkey trots to water where is task force 34 the world wonders s/ CinC - Halsey would have been in the Gulf of Tonkin chasing flying fish.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 13, 2013 06:08 AM (zvKzF)

92 80 69 A firing solution is the calculation of trajectory required to hit the target.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 13, 2013 10:04 AM (eGmvn)

The symbol for my rate when I was in the Navy was a winged theodolite.
Aviation Fire Control Technician.

Civilians thought I was a fire fighter.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 13, 2013 10:07 AM (3Tv+N)

We start fires, not put them out. Retired FCCS(SW/AW). Theodolite with lightning bolts.

Posted by: Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at December 13, 2013 06:08 AM (Nk6GS)

We could just invalidate the bonds that the Chinese bought.

Wait...what's that you say? The Chinese have already sold off most of those bonds?

Well shit....

Posted by: Azenogoth at December 13, 2013 06:08 AM (/qzu7)

94 The thing about confrontations with chinese ships is that you want to do it again an hour later.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 13, 2013 10:07 AM (MaP11)

LOL

Posted by: Insomniac at December 13, 2013 06:09 AM (DrWcr)

95 60 Irredentist = word of the day. I challenge all of AOSHQ's minion's to use it in common conversation today.

Posted by: Biscuit at December 13, 2013 10:02 AM (V17AN)

The Chinese guy wanted to go to the dentist but he was irr.

Posted by: joncelli, who apologizes in advance at December 13, 2013 06:09 AM (RD7QR)

96 I saw Winged Theodolite open for the Academy Glee Club.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 13, 2013 06:09 AM (xq1UY)

97 What would happen if the Chinese had rammed our ship? What does international law have to say about this? Could it be simply that the Chinese are inexperienced sailors? I refer you to the Hainan PC-130 incident of 2001(ish) in which the answers are bad stuff, pretty clear except the Chinese do not care, and yes they are, but nothing about any of this is simple.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 13, 2013 06:10 AM (659DL)

98 Reports from the crew of the Cowpens said the PA system on the Chinese ship was blaring "YOU GO NOW".

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 13, 2013 06:10 AM (LSJmV)

99 >>Baa baa baa, baa baa ba Ann! That reminds me: http://pic.twitter.com/ZjXKNKEtzD

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 13, 2013 06:10 AM (SUKHu)

100 60 Irredentist = word of the day. I challenge all of AOSHQ's minion's to use it in common conversation today. Posted by: Biscuit at December 13, 2013 10:02 AM (V17AN) Who are you, Bill Fucking O'Reilly?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 13, 2013 06:10 AM (HVff2)

101 A friend of mine is a MC. He knows the whole story about her and what she did on the Cowpens. Wiki doesn't even come close to scratching the surface.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 10:08 AM (GQ8sn)

Nope, it certainly does not.

Posted by: Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at December 13, 2013 06:10 AM (Nk6GS)

102 98 Reports from the crew of the Cowpens said the PA system on the Chinese ship was blaring "YOU GO NOW". --- The Cowpens should add a battering ram and cue up D-Day's "RAMMING SPEED!" battle cry from Animal House if they try it again.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2013 06:11 AM (/Crba)

103 81 If he fires one, we'll fire one. FIRE ONE! - Get the Secretary of Choom in here now!

Posted by: Lord Admiral Obama at December 13, 2013 06:11 AM (zvKzF)

104 I refer you to the Hainan PC-130 incident of 2001(ish) in which the answers are bad stuff, pretty clear except the Chinese do not care, and yes they are, but nothing about any of this is simple.

P-3.

And yeah, the Chinese pilot was trying his best to show-off in his POS plane. He stalled out and clipped the P-3's wing and caused both planes to lose control and crash.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 06:11 AM (GQ8sn)

105 Barry: I'm dispatching my personal envoy Dennis Rodman to North Korea to work things out

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 13, 2013 06:12 AM (1Jaio)

106 19 Barry: No problem. I'll have my personal sign language guy, who I met in South Africa, go over there to straighten things out. Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 13, 2013 09:54 AM (1Jaio) Exactly. because it's all about communication, diplomacy, acceptance, understanding, compromise.....Ugh.

Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate' at December 13, 2013 06:12 AM (LsF5M)

107 Chinese Navy, just a big bunch of junk.

I'm afraid I know who the weapons officer on Cowpens is, and I won't be sleeping well until this passes. Nuff said. (jitters)

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 13, 2013 06:12 AM (xq1UY)

108 ewe guys kids knock it off over there.

FIFY. Here, fify. Here girl. That's a good Fify.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 13, 2013 10:08 AM (xq1UY)

much better!

Posted by: willow at December 13, 2013 06:12 AM (nqBYe)

109 99 >>Baa baa baa, baa baa ba Ann! That reminds me: http://pic.twitter.com/ZjXKNKEtzD --- I'm torn as to whether I should make a Brian Wilson mental illness joke or question as to where Carney Wilson fits into that chart.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2013 06:12 AM (/Crba)

110 P-3. Jeebus, yes. There is no PC-130. I will now flog myself for bringing stupidity to the smart military blog.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 13, 2013 06:12 AM (659DL)

111 Use the Obamacare weapon on them

Posted by: lemmiwinks at December 13, 2013 06:12 AM (fHAT3)

112 I refer you to the Hainan PC-130 incident of 2001(ish) in which the answers are bad stuff, pretty clear except the Chinese do not care, and yes they are, but nothing about any of this is simple.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 13, 2013 10:10 AM (659DL)

We are only now finally fielding the update to IFF that solves the problems that incident caused. They know how the old type works and can spoof us with it.

Posted by: Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at December 13, 2013 06:13 AM (Nk6GS)

113
The guy that works on my teeth wears a Chainsaw Massacre mask.... I think he's an irredentist.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 13, 2013 06:13 AM (nELVU)

114 Must be careful not to piss off the Chicoms, else they unleash their Super Weapon: 1.4. Billion Chinese all jump off their one story roofs at the same time, rattling the Earth and triggering the Yellowstone Super Volcano in the sidebar. Hey! It could happen . . .

Posted by: Sharkman at December 13, 2013 06:13 AM (8+xjO)

115 Holly Graf....from what I read, she should have been raped and fragged to teach all the other insecure, imperious bitches in command a lesson about what real power constitutes. Also would have transmitted a message to our enemies.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 13, 2013 06:13 AM (Ec6wH)

116 I know how Captain Kirk would have handled this.
Posted by: EC
...........
Right. He would have bedded a comely Chinese lass!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 13, 2013 06:14 AM (f9c2L)

117
We are only now finally fielding the update to IFF that solves the problems that incident caused. They know how the old type works and can spoof us with it.

Do you think the crew should have took one for the team and ditched into the water to keep their plane and contents from falling into Chinese hands or do you think they did the right thing and landed on Hainan?

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 06:14 AM (GQ8sn)

118 Re: China seapower flexing of muscle

I remember when the old USSR used to do this. It was like NASCAR 'trading paint' doing the 'bump and grind', only it was with armed war ships. It was cool.

With modern video equipment, and youtube, we should be able to see the wrecks in near real time.

Posted by: I remember when. at December 13, 2013 06:15 AM (BVmGa)

119 107 Chinese Navy, just a big bunch of junk.

I'm afraid I know who the weapons officer on Cowpens is, and I won't be sleeping well until this passes. Nuff said. (jitters)

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 13, 2013 10:12 AM (xq1UY)

They should be getting out of River City soon so you can talk with him about it. There's a larger-than-zero chance he (or she) was the OOD or TAO during the incident.

Posted by: Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at December 13, 2013 06:15 AM (Nk6GS)

120 115 Holly Graf....from what I read, she should have been raped and fragged to teach all the other insecure, imperious bitches in command a lesson about what real power constitutes. Also would have transmitted a message to our enemies. --- Would a simple keelhauling have sufficed? Or would that not be cruel enough?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2013 06:15 AM (/Crba)

121 Big Fat Meanie fuck off.

Posted by: Thunderb at December 13, 2013 06:15 AM (zOTsN)

122 Irredentist = angry tooth puller?

Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate' at December 13, 2013 06:16 AM (LsF5M)

123 I will back down from the Chinese when hell freezes over! - Preezy Chicago Jesus What's that? Really? It's snowing in the Middle East right now? Hmmm... (yes, it really is)

Posted by: shredded chi at December 13, 2013 06:16 AM (nttL5)

124 Actually the Chinese are building new ships as fast as they can. New aircraft carrier too. They've got a lot to learn but they can make their own hardware.

Posted by: joncelli, who apologizes in advance at December 13, 2013 06:16 AM (RD7QR)

125 So is the point of this to provoke a fight? Just general bullying and belligerence? What? Also, f*ck the SCOAMT with a rusty razor blade for projecting so much weakness that China even *thinks* they can get away with this crap.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at December 13, 2013 06:16 AM (PYAXX)

126 "The Uighurs (wee-gurs) Posted by: Beagle at December 13, 2013 09:56 AM (sOtz/)" Wasn't Eminem a uighur? I think he spelled it differently, though.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 13, 2013 06:17 AM (8Fa5Z)

127 Don't worry about it, guys. I understand no two countries that both have Ford plants in them have ever gone to war against each other!

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 13, 2013 06:17 AM (vjQ/G)

128 positive side.

perhaps we won't have to do 3 . moar. years.

Posted by: willow at December 13, 2013 06:18 AM (nqBYe)

129 So is the point of this to provoke a fight? Just general bullying and belligerence? What?

They do this shit all the time. They are far worse to the neighbouring countries like the Philipines because they know they can't do shit to them.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 06:18 AM (GQ8sn)

130 Well, see, you got them white uighurs, you got them black uighurs...

Posted by: Zombie Robert Byrd at December 13, 2013 06:18 AM (DrWcr)

131 irredentist

The Cherokee nation should go to the UN and try to get North Carolina back.

Posted by: I remember when. at December 13, 2013 06:18 AM (BVmGa)

132 So is the point of this to provoke a fight? Just general bullying and belligerence? What? The Chinese military is feeling frisky. We have seen this before in many guises in history. It rarely ends well.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 13, 2013 06:18 AM (659DL)

133 Actually the Chinese are building new ships as fast as they can. New aircraft carrier too. They've got a lot to learn but they can make their own hardware. And they can overwhelm us with numbers if'n we're not careful. This needs to be nipped in the bud right now. Unfortunately, the Japanese don't have that strong a military. (self-denounced, but I couldn't resist).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at December 13, 2013 06:18 AM (PYAXX)

134 should i be spending time studying mandarin instead of checking out ace?

Posted by: willow at December 13, 2013 06:19 AM (nqBYe)

135 Do you think the crew should have took one for the team and ditched into the water to keep their plane and contents from falling into Chinese hands or do you think they did the right thing and landed on Hainan?

They did admirably, right up to the point where they didn't light off the thermite charges after they were on the tarmac.

Posted by: toby928© of the banned at December 13, 2013 06:19 AM (evdj2)

136 Do you think the crew should have took one for the team and ditched into the water to keep their plane and contents from falling into Chinese hands or do you think they did the right thing and landed on Hainan?

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 10:14 AM (GQ8sn)

I think the procurement folks in the military failed to field a replacement in a timely manner. With the benefit of that hindsight, they should have ditched. At the time, I thought the landing was the right thing to do, although I feel they could have done a better job with emergency destruction. The crypto gear should have been the first thing down the sonobuoy tubes.

Posted by: Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at December 13, 2013 06:19 AM (Nk6GS)

137 This needs to be nipped in the bud right now. Unfortunately, the Japanese don't have that strong a military. (self-denounced, but I couldn't resist).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at December 13, 2013 10:18 AM (PYAXX)

Don't worry. All we need is to find the chink in their armor.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 13, 2013 06:19 AM (DrWcr)

138 131 irredentist The Cherokee nation should go to the UN and try to get North Carolina back. Posted by: I remember when. at December 13, 2013 10:18 AM (BVmGa) ...and give CA back to the Mexico. La Raza!

Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate' at December 13, 2013 06:19 AM (LsF5M)

139 80 percent of rams are gay!

Posted by: Gay Tony at December 13, 2013 06:19 AM (YmPwQ)

140 When there is no push back, you keep pushing. Anyone with kids knows that. obama, not so much

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2013 06:19 AM (t3UFN)

141 115 Holly Graf....from what I read, she should have been raped and fragged to teach all the other insecure, imperious bitches in command a lesson about what real power constitutes. Also would have transmitted a message to our enemies. Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 13, 2013 10:13 AM (Ec6wH)
Remember that you said that, reprobate.
Wishing such a thing upon another person, you might as well just call a curse down on yourself.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 13, 2013 06:19 AM (AdnS/)

142 This is one of the main reasons you see the joint pact between Vietnam and India. China is a regional bully.

Posted by: polynikes at December 13, 2013 06:20 AM (m2CN7)

143 "The current circumstances there resemble that of late 18th and early 19th century Europe." ITYM "late 19th and early 20th" - no French revolution going on in the area right now, the Chinese revolution having mostly petered out, and China having gone back to business as usual, with a slightly updated version of the same government they've had for about 2200 years.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 13, 2013 06:20 AM (8Fa5Z)

144

We will not go to war with China. Obama will roll over and the rest of the Pacific will write us off just like the they did when the Democrats shit on S. Vietnam.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2013 09:56 AM (T2V/1)

We may not go to war with Red China, but they sure as Hell will go to war with us. The only question is whether Red China will let Obama keep a residence-in-exile in Occupied Hawaii.

Posted by: steveegg at December 13, 2013 06:20 AM (o44nj)

145 The question is, can China handle war on 2 fronts? NK and JAP? Heh, that was a bit tongue and cheek there in case you took is serious.

Posted by: walknot at December 13, 2013 06:20 AM (86zol)

146 80 percent of rams are gay!

Posted by: Gay Tony at December 13, 2013 10:19 AM (YmPwQ)

Tell me more about these "rams," infidel.

Posted by: Muhammad Mahmoud Mohammed at December 13, 2013 06:20 AM (DrWcr)

147 Unfortunately, the Japanese don't have that strong a military. (self-denounced, but I couldn't resist). The Japanese Navy is very good and currently in the top three in numbers of combat ships.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 13, 2013 06:20 AM (659DL)

148 Weakness is provocative.None of this happens with a no nonsense competent president in office.

Posted by: steevy at December 13, 2013 06:20 AM (zqvg6)

149 William "Bull" Halsey, now that's another matter. - Halsey was a friend of John McCains father. Shortly after the war, McCain was taken to a party by his father and met Halsey. By this time Halsey was a raging alcoholic and possibly mentally. Halsey essentially forced whiskey into 16 yeast old McCain despite his acute embarrassment. Maybe that's why McCain can't think straight now.

Posted by: Lord Admiral Obama at December 13, 2013 06:20 AM (zvKzF)

150 Live long and proper.

Posted by: Spork at December 13, 2013 06:20 AM (S+wJC)

151 The crypto gear should have been the first thing down the sonobuoy tubes.

I remember reading that the crew refused to exit the plane and were going medieval on all the spy gear with axes. Then the Chinese troops started boarding the plane to force them out.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 06:21 AM (GQ8sn)

152 The Chinese are far too dependent on Americans buying their crap to start a fight.

They know a concerted effort by American consumers to avoid buying Chinese-made products would be catastrophic to their economy.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 13, 2013 06:21 AM (f9c2L)

153 Ooops! ...NEVER gone to war...

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 13, 2013 06:21 AM (vjQ/G)

154 Senkakku. Heh-heh.

Posted by: Beavis at December 13, 2013 06:22 AM (sOtz/)

155 Where all de white wimmin?

Posted by: 300 million horny Chicom guys that can't find a wife at December 13, 2013 06:22 AM (6fSty)

156 oops

Posted by: Wong Wei - CAPT (PRC Navy) at December 13, 2013 06:22 AM (5ikDv)

157 should i be spending time studying mandarin instead of checking out ace? Ewwww

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 13, 2013 06:22 AM (659DL)

158 They know a concerted effort by American consumers to avoid buying Chinese-made products would be catastrophic to their economy.

LOL! Wal-Mart and CostCo say otherwise.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 06:22 AM (GQ8sn)

159 When there is no push back, you keep pushing. Anyone with kids knows that. obama, not so much That's because SCOAMT is still a kid himself. He's never had to grow up. So he still remembers what he heard as a child, "Oh, just ignore them and they'll get bored..." Also because I doubt he's had much of a hand in rearing Michelle's children. I'm pretty sure they've had nannies and such, but even without, I'm pretty sure he "had to work late" a lot. Rearing children is as much an education for the parents as it is for the children.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at December 13, 2013 06:23 AM (PYAXX)

160 152 The Chinese are far too dependent on Americans buying their crap to start a fight.

They know a concerted effort by American consumers to avoid buying Chinese-made products would be catastrophic to their economy.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 13, 2013 10:21 AM (f9c2L)

They're extremely patriotic. Wouldn't they make a sacrifice for a war effort? Especially to seize the Senkakus or Taiwan.

Posted by: joncelli, who apologizes in advance at December 13, 2013 06:23 AM (RD7QR)

161 "What would happen if the Chinese had rammed our ship? " It would fuck up my supply chain. If Obama could send a cruise missile into an aspirin factory right now to distract the public, he would. The Chinese have no reason to instigate any difficulty. Does it make any sense for them to start something when their sole focus is expanding the Chinese economy? Our ship was fucking with them, getting too close to their new carrier.

Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2013 06:23 AM (u2a4R)

162 A Chinese warship walks into a barge.

Posted by: polynikes at December 13, 2013 06:23 AM (m2CN7)

163

The only people in the world afraid of the JEF are republicans in congress

Posted by: Thunderb at December 13, 2013 10:02 AM (zOTsN)

Ironically, that's the only group "Republican" "leadership" is afraid of as well.

Posted by: steveegg at December 13, 2013 06:23 AM (o44nj)

164 @152 I try to buy non-Chinese now and it is nearly impossible for some things.

Posted by: Beagle at December 13, 2013 06:23 AM (sOtz/)

165 Yes, the Chinese are building ships as fast as they can and we are mothballing them as fast as we can.

And if you are within "ramming" distance today you are already far to close.

In the past reducing the US military to a "scarecrow" and tripwire was a sure prelude to a major war. And this shit demonstrates it.

That is why I heap the blame on Obama. Democrats do this EVERY DAMN TIME they get in power.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 13, 2013 06:24 AM (T2V/1)

166 I know a couple of folks who worked for Holly Graf. One on the Cowpens and one on the Winston S. Churchill. She should have been fired for nearly creating an international incident on the bridge when she slapped her Navigator, a Royal Navy Lieutenant. I merely mentioned her name to the Cowpens Sailor (a Chief) and he went on an hour-long rant. The other guy is a neighbor two doors down who politely refuses to talk about it at all. Posted by: Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at December 13, 2013 10:01 AM (Nk6GS) --------------------------- She's lucky her crew didn't toss her in the fucking wake.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 13, 2013 06:24 AM (CJjw5)

167 Senkakku.
I can never get those fuckin' numbers to add up!

Posted by: joey biden at December 13, 2013 06:24 AM (vjQ/G)

168 Big fat meanie When male commanders are abusive, and they exist, is rape and fragging also required? Or just fragging? Please explain how rape will "teach a lesson....about real power". Your words

Posted by: Thunderb at December 13, 2013 06:24 AM (zOTsN)

169 Does it make any sense for them to start something when their sole focus is expanding the Chinese economy? That word sole. I do not think it means what you think it does.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 13, 2013 06:25 AM (659DL)

170 Our ship was fucking with them, getting too close to their new carrier. Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2013 10:23 AM (u2a4R) Their "New" carrier is an old Soviet Carrier.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2013 06:25 AM (t3UFN)

171 They know a concerted effort by American consumers to avoid buying Chinese-made products would be catastrophic to their economy. That would also put Apple and (I think) Samsung out of business. So I'm okay with that. I'm willing to trade Samsung for the deaths of Apple and the Chinese economy.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at December 13, 2013 06:25 AM (PYAXX)

172 A Chinese warship walks into a barge. Posted by: polynikes at December 13, 2013 10:23 AM (m2CN7) Just the one?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 13, 2013 06:26 AM (VtjlW)

173
Re-rax round eye.... Arr we rearned about sairing we rearned from watching "Whale Wars".

Posted by: Chineses Sailers at December 13, 2013 06:26 AM (nELVU)

174 Please explain how rape will "teach a lesson....about real power". Your words Posted by: Thunderb at December 13, 2013 10:24 AM (zOTsN) Yeah, I like to hate, but that's kinda twisted even for me.

Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate' at December 13, 2013 06:26 AM (LsF5M)

175 A Chinese warship walks into a barge.
And what does the sandbar tender say?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 13, 2013 06:26 AM (vjQ/G)

176 Re-rax round eye.... Arr we rearned about sairing we rearned from watching "Whale Wars".

Posted by: Chineses Sailers at December 13, 2013 10:26 AM (nELVU)

So Chinese sailors are camera-whoring vegan pussies?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 13, 2013 06:27 AM (DrWcr)

177 "When male commanders are abusive, and they exist, is rape and fragging also required? Or just fragging? Please explain how rape will "teach a lesson....about real power". Your words" Posted by: Thunderb at December 13, 2013 10:24 AM (zOTsN) just thinking about your comment and our current CinC. Although Valerie Jarrett probably already owns a strap on.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 13, 2013 06:27 AM (8Fa5Z)

178 That would also put Apple and (I think) Samsung out of business. So I'm okay with that. I'm willing to trade Samsung for the deaths of Apple and the Chinese economy. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at December 13, 2013 10:25 AM (PYAXX) Isn't Nokia from Finland? (prrrrriiiiiimmmmmeeee)

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 13, 2013 06:27 AM (VtjlW)

179 The theory that nations who do a lot of trading will not go to war only works when both nations are majority free nations. It does not work when one or both are controlled by dictators and small oligarchies.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 13, 2013 06:27 AM (T2V/1)

180 She's lucky her crew didn't toss her in the fucking wake.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 13, 2013 10:24 AM (CJjw5)

Maybe, but officers generally have a short (less than 2 years) tour on a ship, so there's a tradition of "just ride it out, this too shall pass" that goes on.

Posted by: Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at December 13, 2013 06:28 AM (Nk6GS)

181 "Their "New" carrier is an old Soviet Carrier." It's new to them. I don't believe one of our carrier battle groups would allow a Chinese missile cruiser to get within a hundred miles, regardless of the fact they are in international waters. Obama's just trying to change the subject to anything except healthcare and the economy.

Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2013 06:29 AM (u2a4R)

182 So Chinese sailors are camera-whoring vegan pussies? In our defense, we DO live in a communist country. The camera-whoring is at the orders of the PRC, and you eat what you can.

Posted by: Chinese Sailors at December 13, 2013 06:29 AM (PYAXX)

183 It does not work when one or both are controlled by dictators and small oligarchies.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2013 10:27 AM (T2V/1)

So, basically both the US and China.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 13, 2013 06:29 AM (DrWcr)

184 China has what, a couple a million unmarried, young men with nothing to do?

Did any of you all read Mean Mr. Mustard years and years ago?

He was beating the inevitable war with China a lot back then.

That's why Bush improving the relations between us and India was so important. (Some projections show India passing China in population around 2020, 2030.)

And, of course, the JEF has done his best to fuck that all away.

Why do you think India has started training Vietnam soldiers?

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 13, 2013 06:29 AM (VjL9S)

185 Although Valerie Jarrett probably already owns a strap on.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 13, 2013 10:27 AM (8Fa5Z)

----

And I bet she wears it "backwards". IYKWIMAITTYD.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 13, 2013 06:29 AM (nELVU)

186 What if both countries are controlled by dictators and small oligarchies, Vic?
;^)

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 13, 2013 06:30 AM (vjQ/G)

187 Their "New" carrier is an old Soviet Carrier. Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2013 10:25 AM (t3UFN) ------------------------------ I hope CDR M eventually gets to stick a Harpoon or two in the side of that refurbed shitheap when the balloon inevitably goes up.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 13, 2013 06:30 AM (CJjw5)

188 China has what, a couple a hundred million unmarried, young men with nothing to do?

Fixed.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 06:30 AM (GQ8sn)

189 No blood for Senkakus. Senkakus were an inside job by Obama and Goldman Sachs. Worked for them.

Posted by: Beagle at December 13, 2013 06:30 AM (sOtz/)

190 Did Holly Graf walk around with a handful of ball bearings clicking them and looking for the strawberries?

I strongly suspect that she was a carpet muncher and hated men. That is why she was so abusive.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 13, 2013 06:30 AM (T2V/1)

191 A Chinese warship walks into a barge.
And what does the sandbar tender say?

Posted by: andycanuck at December 13, 2013 10:26 AM (vjQ/G)

sandbar tender says " sorry, we're out of water"

Posted by: polynikes at December 13, 2013 06:30 AM (m2CN7)

192 I don't believe one of our carrier battle groups would allow a Chinese missile cruiser to get within a hundred miles, regardless of the fact they are in international waters. Ya mean other than that chicom sub that surfaced in the middle of one of our task forces?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2013 06:31 AM (t3UFN)

193 So I'm okay with that. I'm willing to trade Samsung for the deaths of Apple and the Chinese economy. --------------------- Samsung is a South Korean company.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 13, 2013 06:31 AM (CJjw5)

194 #183 Darn! Insomniac beat me to it. :^(

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 13, 2013 06:31 AM (vjQ/G)

195 Isn't Nokia from Finland? They're Fins or Swedes, I think. However, I think they have a fair amount of their phones made by FoxConn, too. China makes A LOT of mobile tech nowadays. I'm not sure about Nokia's percentage, but nearly 100% of Ipads come out of China. A very, very large percentage of the Samsung Galaxy line, too.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at December 13, 2013 06:31 AM (PYAXX)

196 Big fat meanie that is seriously fucked up thinking,musing rape as punishment to show your power? You need help Seriously

Posted by: Thunderb at December 13, 2013 06:31 AM (zOTsN)

197 187 I hope CDR M eventually gets to stick a Harpoon or two in the side of that refurbed shitheap when the balloon inevitably goes up.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 13, 2013 10:30 AM (CJjw5)

I strongly suspect that if it comes down that far that 2 or 3 torps will put it to bed.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 13, 2013 06:31 AM (T2V/1)

198 My Galaxy Tab - II was made in Vietnam.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 13, 2013 06:33 AM (T2V/1)

199 Samsung is a South Korean company. Yeah, but I think a lot of their assembly goes through China. Specifically FoxConn, IIRC.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at December 13, 2013 06:33 AM (PYAXX)

200 I strongly suspect that she was a carpet muncher and hated men. That is why she was so abusive.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2013 10:30 AM (T2V/1)

I hear she was worse to the women onboard. A "gotta be twice as good" thing.

Posted by: Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at December 13, 2013 06:33 AM (Nk6GS)

201 Newd.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 06:33 AM (GQ8sn)

202 If I recall, stated Chinese doctrine is a tactical nuke on USN carrier groups. Don't know how serious that is.

Posted by: joncelli, who apologizes in advance at December 13, 2013 06:33 AM (RD7QR)

203 DrewM up

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 13, 2013 06:34 AM (T2V/1)

204 sandbar tender says " sorry, we're out of water"
And the Chinese warships says, "At 20 clams for a beer, I'm not surprised."

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 13, 2013 06:34 AM (vjQ/G)

205 I don't believe one of our carrier battle groups would allow a Chinese missile cruiser to get within a hundred miles, regardless of the fact they are in international waters. You know what? SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT SHIT. It would save a great deal of effort for both you and the breathing. Idiot.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 13, 2013 06:34 AM (659DL)

206 "Ya mean other than that chicom sub that surfaced in the middle of one of our task forces?" That's just showing them they could do it. It says they were stealthy enough to get into the ring.

Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2013 06:35 AM (u2a4R)

207 We have seaman ship, seaman ship, for love; We have seaman ship, seaman ship, for peace; (Japanese voiceover: I love Japan. I love peace. Maritime Self-Defense Force.) We have seaman ship, seaman ship, for love!

Posted by: RWC at December 13, 2013 06:35 AM (fWAjv)

208 If I recall, stated Chinese doctrine is a tactical nuke on USN carrier groups. Don't know how serious that is.

Well that's just going straight to the top. They don't need to nuke when they have that ballistic anti-ship missile carrier killer. One of those will make everyone on a carrier have a bad day.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2013 06:36 AM (GQ8sn)

209 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 13, 2013 10:34 AM (659DL) Are you mentally unbalanced?

Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2013 06:36 AM (u2a4R)

210 I strongly suspect that she was a carpet muncher and hated men. That is why she was so abusive. Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2013 10:30 AM (T2V/1) ---------------------------- Dude definitely looks like a lady. Familiar with the taste of vagina or not, she was abusive to all her crew - male and female officers. The part that made me say "oh, HELL NO" was where she put a Master Chief in "time out" in a room full of watchstanders. How are you going to ride out that kind of shit for two years? Just another spoiled, entitled legacy twat with an O-6 daddy and a brother and sister who were admirals, thinking she can abuse her people into effectiveness to cover up her own incompetence and insecurity. I hope this bitch takes the gas pipe.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 13, 2013 06:37 AM (CJjw5)

211 Are you mentally unbalanced? Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2013 10:36 AM (u2a4R) Yes. But I'm not an imbecile. You obviously have no knowledge of naval practices or platforms, foreign or U.S. You blithely place the blame for the incident on the U.S. vessel when recent history is replete with Chinese aircraft and ships behaving like grade school bullies in international waters. And yes, the international waters part does, in fact, matter. I grow weary of your stupid mobying around here. Go hang out at Kos and commiserate with the rest of the genuises.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 13, 2013 06:40 AM (659DL)

212 Just another spoiled, entitled legacy twat with an O-6 daddy and a brother and sister who were admirals, thinking she can abuse her people into effectiveness to cover up her own incompetence and insecurity.

I hope this bitch takes the gas pipe.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 13, 2013 10:37 AM (CJjw5)

Yes. She was deep selected for grooming to be an Admiral herself. That's why she got her Major Command (the COWPENS - it's BMD, too) after showing to all that she'd reached beyond her Peter Principle level.

Posted by: Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at December 13, 2013 06:41 AM (Nk6GS)

213 VADM Collingwood, #49: "Turkey trots to water where is task force 34 the world wonders" I've read that "the world wonders" was just nonsense padding around the key, middle line, just like "turkey trots to water"; that Halsey was infuriated by the line but that some anonymous communicator, not Nimitz, added it. I would like to think Nimitz did that on purpose. Anyone know more?

Posted by: JPS at December 13, 2013 06:42 AM (9ziuC)

214 Oh shiiiiiiiii.....

Posted by: Wong Wei at December 13, 2013 06:42 AM (sOtz/)

215 Point of clarity; the Island South Korea is covering is not in the Senkakus as your writing seems to indicate but lies well to the north. Still falls under China's fancy new ADIZ, and all that.

Posted by: Raving Lunatic at December 13, 2013 06:44 AM (a8YKt)

216 "You blithely place the blame for the incident on the U.S. vessel when recent history is replete with Chinese aircraft and ships behaving like grade school bullies in international waters." Yes, that's exactly what's happening. You know this because that's what the government is telling you. And of course, they wouldn't lie. I actually envy how simple and carefree your life must be, being as naÃ¯ve and obtuse as you obviously are.

Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2013 06:44 AM (u2a4R)

217 Late to the thread. It really doesn't matter what Beijing desires if a PLAN skipper loses it and opens fire.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 13, 2013 06:45 AM (5EPry)

218 I would like to think Nimitz did that on purpose. Anyone know more?

Posted by: Lord Admiral Obama at December 13, 2013 06:46 AM (ee9LE)

219

You know this because that's what the government is telling you. And of course, they wouldn't lie.

Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2013 10:44 AM (u2a4R)

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Yes, as opposed to your expert analysis. What, are you the OD on the Cowpens or something?

Posted by: @JohnTant at December 13, 2013 06:46 AM (PFy0L)

220 A shooting war is a definite possibility here, and we are treaty bound to participate. That's how big wars start: Treaties. Does anyone care to guess what an instant and complete cessation of trade with China would feel like? Does anyone care to postulate what a removal of Renminbi from our Treasury Auctions will do? Thank you, MSM, for burying this. We don't want president OJT to look bad now, do we? Hey, we sent JOE BIDEN, and now JOHN KERRY over there, so I'm sure everything is fine. Barack Obama doesn't know why ships have a pointy end. He's a Chicago Pol - crafty, and slimy, and perhaps even clever when it comes to manipulation... but when things require actual intelligence? Brains? Gravitas? Chauncey Gardner was brighter than Barack Obama. Ralph Malph was far more composed and capable. Wrongway Peachfuzz was a significantly better warrior. This man could get us all killed. He is that dangerous combination of hubris and stupidity, and he has surrounded himself with people who are even dumber.

Posted by: RobM1981 at December 13, 2013 06:48 AM (zurJC)

221 OK, jwest--the government is lying to me about Chinese belligerency in international waters, but telling the complete truth about Obamacare being awesome. Stick your head in the blender and hit puree.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 13, 2013 06:48 AM (659DL)

222 But hey, over on the new thread DrewM and a lot of the Horde want to sequester the defense budget. Just sayin'

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 13, 2013 06:49 AM (HubSo)

223

Late to the thread. It really doesn't matter what Beijing desires if a PLAN skipper loses it and opens fire.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 13, 2013 10:45 AM (5EPry)

A PLAN skipper doesn't take a dump without orders from Beijing.

Posted by: Adm. Josh Painter at December 13, 2013 06:49 AM (o44nj)

224

"The current circumstances there resemble that of late 18th and early 19th century Europe. Land and sea grabs, rising and declining great powers, irredentist feelings, historical rivalries, increased military spending, a thirst for power, domestic need for resources, and poor communication."

At that time Europe was engaged in the wars of the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Empire. It wasn't just tension and sabre-rattling. Those sabres were being bloodied.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Death Capades - ObamaCare on Ice! Sponsored by the Outrage Outlet at December 13, 2013 06:50 AM (hLRSq)

225

But hey, over on the new thread DrewM and a lot of the Horde want to sequester the defense budget. Just sayin'

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 13, 2013 10:49 AM (HubSo)

If we had people who knew the first thing about wisely spending money in either the West Wing or the Pentagon, we could do well with less cash. Unfortunately, we got Teh SCOAMT and Upchuck Hagel.

Posted by: steveegg at December 13, 2013 06:51 AM (o44nj)

226 Circa that would break the blades.

It is interesting how the PRC or even the government of Chiang kai Shek never challenged for ownership of these islands at the cessation of WWII. Or when the US returned control of the islands to Japan.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 13, 2013 06:51 AM (5EPry)

227 I heard Holly Graf ran over a whale once. True?

Posted by: votermom at December 13, 2013 06:51 AM (GSIDW)

228 221 "OK, jwest--the government is lying to me about Chinese belligerency in international waters, but telling the complete truth about Obamacare being awesome." And the closest assets to Benghazi were 12 hours away. No, the government wouldn't lie to you. Fucking child.

Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2013 06:52 AM (u2a4R)

229 @222 You're damned right we want the sequester kept. Hey, here's another thing we want: no war with China. The Pacific Fleet is more than powerful enough to do its job - if it's placed into the hands of someone who knows that Marines still deploy with bayonets. The issue here is a lack of leadership, brains, and diplomacy - not one of inadequate power. We need a shooting war with China less than we need Obamacare.

Posted by: RobM1981 at December 13, 2013 06:54 AM (zurJC)

230 227 I heard Holly Graf ran over a whale once. True?

Posted by: votermom at December 13, 2013 10:51 AM (GSIDW)

Yes, and then tried to change the ship's logs to avoid the paperwork required.

Posted by: Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at December 13, 2013 06:54 AM (Nk6GS)

231 Holly Graf was just another Marcus Arnheiter, but with better connections.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 13, 2013 06:56 AM (5EPry)

232 She almost grounded her ship, and damaged the screws by going too fast in a channel. That's what precipitated her slapping the Navigator - she blamed him.

Posted by: Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at December 13, 2013 06:56 AM (Nk6GS)

233 Late to thread but I believe Samsung manufactures a lot of their own chips, if not all, in their foundries in South Korea. Also have a facility in Texas but I am not sure if it is a foundry. Samsung is a fascinating many tentacled company too. They are in real estate, insurance, hotels, lots of other things in South Korea besides electronics.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at December 13, 2013 06:59 AM (RZ8pf)

234 Actually there is a good way for a PLAN skipper to lose it.

USS Cowpens insists on its right to navigate. Which means it closes with the PRC's only carrier, a crown jewel and strategic asset needed for local hegemony. Sure he is on the radio to Beijing, but PLAN has to go talk with the Politburo, who have to debate things.

Meanwhile that poor PLAN skipper is stuck with orders to defend the carrier. And Cowpens continues to close.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 13, 2013 07:00 AM (5EPry)

235 Yes, Nimitz was CINCPAC in WWII, but he moved his HQ to Guam in late 1944 and 1945. Not embarqued in a flagship. An approachable fleet commander would probably be Halsey, not Spruance or Turner. The Hainan incident involved a P-3, specifically an EP-3 E. During the Cold War Soviet ships sailed as tattletales to NATO task groups. They would try and cross the bow of carriers in flight ops (restricted in their ability to maneuver). The Royal Navy carrier Ark Royal did not flinch and collided with a Soviet destroyer. The Soviets left the Royal Navy alone after that. In the USN, every tattletale was targeted for gunfie by an escorting warship. The target solution was always current. Just our 5" guns were not pointed at thes Soviet ships, which was a matter of seconds to train the guns to fire. After a number of incidents, a treaty spelled out conduct of Soviet and American ships in proximity. The treaty mosty worked, except for the odd diliberate violation, like the collisions with the USS Caron and USS Yorktown in the Black Sea.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 13, 2013 07:00 AM (u82oZ)

236 Circa that would break the blades.

Look what ya did, ya knucklehead! You broke the saw!

Posted by: Moe Howard at December 13, 2013 07:01 AM (FvyJS)

237

174 I assume you moralists are similarly outraged when people make jokes about men being raped in FMITA prison?

Not defending it at all, just pointing out...

Posted by: DAve at December 13, 2013 07:01 AM (b7yum)

238 Agree with 67. Common in the cold war....I was there in North Atlantic. We used to play at sea tag with the Soviet Navy all the time. They tried to interfere with us and we used to ping the hell out of their subs. Just need to stay calm and maneuver out of the way if anyone got too close. Not really anything to get too excited about.

Posted by: Brent Ramsey at December 13, 2013 07:05 AM (99UG/)

239 should i be spending time studying mandarin instead of checking out ace?

Onry if you rike brueglass.
(denounce denounce denounce)

And remember, the Democratic Party has no banjos!

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 13, 2013 07:05 AM (xq1UY)

240 When I was in the Navy they used to keep a 200 mile no hostiles bubble around a carrier group. When the bear bombers overflew us they had a pair of F-4's following them with war shots and orders to take them out if the bombey doors opened.

In today's Navy with the Choom King and PC pussy admirals I would not count on that all.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 13, 2013 07:08 AM (T2V/1)

241 218 Lord Admiral Obama at December 13, 2013 It was a mistake by a LT in the communications room of CINCPAC. Nimitz's COS investigated, there was a one-way discussion from the COS to the LT, with spittle covering the LT. FADM Nimitz stayed out of it. The second mistake was in Halsey's flagship, which did not correctly remove the padding to the message.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 13, 2013 07:08 AM (u82oZ)

242 NaCly DOg, #241: Interesting, and funny. Thanks for that.

Posted by: JPS at December 13, 2013 07:10 AM (9ziuC)

243

When I was in the Navy they used to keep a 200 mile no hostiles bubble around a carrier group. When the bear bombers overflew us they had a pair of F-4's following them with war shots and orders to take them out if the bombey doors opened.

In today's Navy with the Choom King and PC pussy admirals I would not count on that all.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2013 11:08 AM (T2V/1)

And back then, that bubble extended under the surface. Now, not so much. I've lost count of how many times subs got well inside the CVBG the last 2 decades, both in war games and now out in the wild blue yonder.

Posted by: steveegg at December 13, 2013 07:11 AM (o44nj)

244 Seems the Call of Duty series knows how to pick who our enemies will be.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 13, 2013 07:32 AM (9eDbm)

245

Just wondering what would happen if a Chinese missile frigate were to do the same to a U.S. Navy Gerald Ford class aircraft carrier as the Cowpens was doing?

Anyone?

Posted by: Speller at December 13, 2013 04:17 PM (J74Py)

246 This resumes tensions which were building in 2001 from the Hainan Incident before the Muslim terrorists interrupted.

Posted by: bob at December 13, 2013 06:01 PM (BXUIY)

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