January 28, 2013
— Ace Instant amnesty in exchange for... eventual border protection, according to a plan cooked up by seven "veteran amnesty supporters" plus Marco Rubio.
Instant amnesty, in exchange for nothing but a promise?
We've never heard this before.
The amnesty is instant and the border controlling will never come.
Liberals are assuring other liberals that the "border control" elements of this plan are in fact a sham to provide some cover to Republicans.
Supposedly a commission will determine if border control has proceeded sufficiently so that the second tranche of the deal can go through (full citizenship), but...
As Sharry [an amnesty advocate who supports the plan] put it, Democrats realize that they can’t “allow the commission to have a real veto” over setting in motion the path to citizenship. He noted that Dems see the commission as “something that gives the Republicans a talking point” to claim they are prioritizing tough enforcement, giving themselves cover to back a process that “won’t stop people from getting citizenship.” However, Sharry added: “The details of this are going to matter hugely, and we’ll have to fight like hell on the individual provisions.”That said, Sharry concluded: “This is a left of center framework.”
Ross Douthat observed on Twitter that the GOP is rushing heedlessly to increase the vote share of Latinos, without doing anything else to actually attract them as voters.
And, in fact, as a party we can't do anything to attract the majority of them as voters -- they're pro-government, pro-welfare-state, and all the rest.
They're also increasingly pro-choice and liberal on social matters.
So after we extend citizenship and voting rights to 11 million Government Clients, what's Step 2 of our master plan?
Maybe this is our plan for destroying ObamaCare.
Comprehensive immigration reform could make millions of people suddenly eligible for assistance under President Obama’s healthcare law, assuming a final deal paves the way for undocumented immigrants to receive papers.…”We have to figure out a way in which [undocumented immigrants] incorporate themselves into the larger workforce, and into our society in general, and not be a burden,” said Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.), a leader in the immigration debate.
“Do we want them to go to the exchanges? Absolutely we do — if and when they don’t have healthcare through their employer,” he said.
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Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 12:53 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Lucy at January 28, 2013 12:53 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 12:53 PM (LyF0H)
Step 2: permanent Democrat majority.
Let's all get used to saying it.
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2013 12:53 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at January 28, 2013 12:53 PM (tUT9B)
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Cleaning off my chin.
Posted by: John Boehner at January 28, 2013 12:53 PM (AUeaU)
Beg them to permit us to live. Because they're so very, very accommodating.
Posted by: joncelli at January 28, 2013 12:53 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 12:53 PM (LyF0H)
What I can not possibly understand is why the RINOs help the Democrats get 30M new voters. Do they think that these Mexicans are not going to vote for the Democrats just like the last batch?
They have to be stupid, but they are the Party of stupid.
And why is it the same group of asshole RINOs?
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 12:54 PM (53z96)
Anyone remember when teh Dims wanted to close the Mehican border because they thought all those newly-minted Americanos would vote for Pubbies? Good times.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 28, 2013 12:54 PM (+z4pE)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 12:54 PM (evdj2)
Let's start talking carving out a new country, and building an actual border fence this time.
Posted by: Gaff at January 28, 2013 12:54 PM (uh3SH)
Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 12:55 PM (LyF0H)
2.
3. Electoral victory!
Posted by: Republican Gnomes at January 28, 2013 04:53 PM (2jQGY)
The numbers I saw last week were 30 million.
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 12:55 PM (53z96)
"What, you guys haven't heard of Marco Rubio?"
Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at January 28, 2013 12:55 PM (QKKT0)
And why is it the same group of asshole RINOs?
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Because if you don't vote for the "most conservative electable candidate" even if he is in fact a liberal you are worse then Hitler?
Posted by: 18-1 at January 28, 2013 12:55 PM (AUeaU)
Perhaps this brings on the tipping point of the takers versus everyone else.
Wait until the "undocumented" have full access to Uncle Sam's teet. Do you think they will be in the fields for nothing.
These people are such fucking idiots it's unbelievable.
This could seriously put AZ and TX in play for the dems and lock up NV as well.
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 12:56 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: joncelli at January 28, 2013 12:56 PM (RD7QR)
"The amnesty is instant and the border controlling will never come."
Bingo, Ace.
Because they need the border to stay porous...
They need there to be a 'crisis' in gun smuggling, after they ban assault weapons....that way they will have a good excuse to push for a National Registry.
Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 12:56 PM (BZMZX)
Posted by: John Boehner (R) at January 28, 2013 12:56 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 12:56 PM (LyF0H)
We have told them how many times now we don't want this and still they persist.
I'm telling you bad things are going to start happening.
Terrible, awful potentially catastrophic things.
Things are about to become uncivil.
Posted by: General Woundwort at January 28, 2013 12:56 PM (RrD4h)
Posted by: woods at January 28, 2013 12:57 PM (arbYd)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 28, 2013 12:57 PM (e0xKF)
Posted by: joncelli at January 28, 2013 04:56 PM (RD7QR)
Boner has already said it will pass the House. He intends to push it.
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 12:57 PM (53z96)
Seems like the Dems are only interested in the causes they perceive as most harmful to the opposition party...
Like all things Obama touches, this too will turn into a festering pile of shit.
Posted by: garrett at January 28, 2013 12:57 PM (5HaMO)
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Dunno, will Obama say mean things about me if it doesn't?
Posted by: John Boehner at January 28, 2013 12:57 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: wooga at January 28, 2013 12:57 PM (arbYd)
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 04:55 PM (53z96
I think it's between 20 and 30 million. Intolerable any way u slice it.
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 28, 2013 12:57 PM (m0v2L)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 12:57 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: MrShad at January 28, 2013 04:56 PM (Xqfwb)
See LA Times story about latino gangs doing ethnic cleansing of Blacks in Compton. Coming soon to a hood near you.
Posted by: joncelli at January 28, 2013 12:58 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 12:58 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 28, 2013 12:58 PM (e0xKF)
Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 12:58 PM (LyF0H)
why should i assume we have any serious representation?
Posted by: ette at January 28, 2013 12:58 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 12:58 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 12:59 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Roland THTG at January 28, 2013 12:59 PM (QM5S2)
Poles on poles?
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2013 12:59 PM (GQ8sn)
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Take immigration off the table, add 30M Democrat voters.
BRILLIANT!
I'm sticking to my timeline two threads down.
Hint it ends very, very badly in about 2016.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 28, 2013 12:59 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: SFGoth at January 28, 2013 12:59 PM (dZ756)
Yeah, I read about that, that is what brought it to mind.
Posted by: MrShad at January 28, 2013 12:59 PM (Xqfwb)
Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 12:59 PM (LyF0H)
Posted by: 80sBaby at January 28, 2013 12:59 PM (YjDyJ)
And by everytime I mean "NEVER".
Maybe this is our plan for destroying
the GOP's already laughable credibility as a party for the ages.
FTFY
Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at January 28, 2013 01:00 PM (EZl54)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 28, 2013 01:00 PM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Fritz Boehner, master negotiator at January 28, 2013 01:00 PM (WM+rJ)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 01:00 PM (jVAw4)
why should i assume we have any serious representation?
Posted by: ette at January 28, 2013 04:58 PM (nqBYe)
The republicans have unofficially adopted LiB? Who knew?
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 01:01 PM (t06LC)
I'll go out on a shaky, distant limb here and note that this probably prevents another Republican presidency. Ever.
Formerly Great Britain did it.
This is a Soros-funded operation to fill us with non-un-Americans who are kept ignorant and brainwashed.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 28, 2013 01:01 PM (+z4pE)
even be generous and take in a few Czech ladies because, charity. Not
poles, close enough. I get to pick them.
If any of the Czech women look like Paulina Porizkova I'll volunteer to carry their luggage.
Posted by: joncelli at January 28, 2013 01:01 PM (RD7QR)
even be generous and take in a few Czech ladies because, charity. Not
poles, close enough. I get to pick them.
Poles on poles?
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2013 04:59 PM (GQ8sn)
Thats the best kind. And yes, my step 2 would be anal.
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 01:02 PM (t06LC)
Well, this is his silver bullet to minority leader status isn't it?
Forget the presidency, this will give the Democrats the House in 2014.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 28, 2013 01:02 PM (AUeaU)
And that asshole Lindsay Graham is up for reelection here in 2014. I hope we can primary the worthless cockofsucker.
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 01:02 PM (53z96)
Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at January 28, 2013 01:02 PM (QKKT0)
1) English is made the official language of the US.
2) Federal agencies shall conduct all business in English.
3) All federal government forms, websites and broadcast media shall be distributed exclusively in English.
4) Federal laws and regulations requiring multilingual consumer product labeling shall be repealed.
5) Illegal aliens and green card holders applying for, or waiting to be naturalized, shall learn to read, write and speak English previous to being granted citizenship.
5) SSI retirement age increased to 75.
Posted by: 13times at January 28, 2013 01:02 PM (h6XiD)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 28, 2013 01:02 PM (xjpRj)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 01:02 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: eggs benedict at January 28, 2013 01:02 PM (FpBe1)
Doesn't surprise me that a eunuch like Poppin' Fresh Morrissey thinks he's the cat's meow. We'll be singin' that "fairness" song all the way to the bitter, broke, vicious end. Which is not lookin' too far off right now.
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 28, 2013 01:03 PM (yKUrR)
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Hey John, see this popcorn in my lap? Why don't you reach in a grab some? You'll really like it!
Posted by: Barack Obama at January 28, 2013 01:03 PM (AUeaU)
After speaking with Rubio today, Ed Morrissey believes this is a reasonable and necessary plan, that will take immigration off the table as an issue.
Posted by: George Orwell
Want to get away from it all? Why not join Duane “Generalissimo” Patterson and me on a seven-day cruise this summer to Alaska? Starting July 27th, we’ll take the inside passage on Holland America’s MS Zuiderdam. Plus, Duane and I will do our TEMS show live on the ship, discussing politics and culture while traveling in the lap of luxury. Climb aboard!
Ed Morrissey - Conservative Blogger of the Year
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2013 01:03 PM (kdS6q)
We could win the Latino vote along with the black vote if we would grow a pair of balls and use "racist" advertising in the midterms.
Here's how it should go:
"This is LaShawn. He's 22 years old and he graduated from Martin Luther King High School in Washington D.C. Only 1 in five black students graduate in D.C."
(Shows LaShawn trying to read a "Dick and Jane" book and fucking it up royally.)
Democrats protecting the teacher's union did this to LaShawn. Now the democrats want to do this to Juan too.
Vote Republican - for your children's future.
Posted by: jwest at January 28, 2013 01:03 PM (ZDsRL)
I've been hearing that we're racist for questioning this plan, because...racist.
Posted by: Ben at January 28, 2013 01:03 PM (C2Y4l)
Posted by: Ken Royall at January 28, 2013 01:04 PM (x0g8a)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2013 01:04 PM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Ben at January 28, 2013 01:04 PM (C2Y4l)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 01:04 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 28, 2013 01:05 PM (6zgse)
Posted by: H. at January 28, 2013 01:05 PM (D5Jpp)
If they would have closed the borders like we asked in 2004, 2006, and 2007; then many of us would be amenable to an amnesty program.
Until the borders are closed, NO DEALS!
Posted by: rd at January 28, 2013 01:05 PM (zLp5I)
You may be pissed, but don't stop writing the checks.
Posted by: John Boehner (R) at January 28, 2013 01:05 PM (QKKT0)
@74
Nope, the democrats would see our ad and counter with "here is free shit. You're welcome. Paid for by the democratic party and 1%s"
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 01:05 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: mugiwara at January 28, 2013 01:05 PM (hpYnL)
I hope that reps realize they have voted themselves out of political power permanently.
Posted by: ette at January 28, 2013 01:05 PM (nqBYe)
I hope you're all prepared.
Posted by: BuckIV at January 28, 2013 01:05 PM (gedHR)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 01:05 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2013 01:06 PM (GFM2b)
we have military bases in the border states- we got Army at Ft Bliss, we got Marines at Twenty-Nine Palms- let's put some mechanized infantry units 'on maneuvers' along the Mexican border and STOP THIS SHIT
ROE is if you approach the border, we'll fire a warning volley- if you keep coming, we shoot- if you point a weapon at US forces, we shoot
AND THESE FUCKING CHICKENSHIT LAMEASS Republicans better sack up, because ANY bill they sign will just be opening the gates to millions of Democrat votes - and if they don't get that, they all deserve to drown in lakes of blood
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 01:06 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 01:06 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: GadsdenBC at January 28, 2013 01:07 PM (AT1Ju)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 01:07 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 01:07 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 28, 2013 01:07 PM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 01:07 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: jeanne at January 28, 2013 01:07 PM (GdalM)
Your anal integrity is very important to me, and I want you to know we have our top men looking into this.
Oh, and you appear to have dropped the soap again. Why don't you go ahead an pick it up.
Posted by: Barack Obama to the taxpayers at January 28, 2013 01:08 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: Not and Artist at January 28, 2013 01:08 PM (uRumV)
I just don't see any way that this doesn't all end in 1) full-on collapse and 2) blood.
Posted by: DocJ at January 28, 2013 01:08 PM (A5uiv)
I imagine this will be Boehner's centerpiece for his keep control of the house election in 2014.
P.S. What say we change the term "fetal position" to "Boehner position"? I'm not sure most people know what a fetal position is.
Posted by: Hillary! at January 28, 2013 01:08 PM (XUKZU)
Alas.
If Marco Rubio is championing a complete clusterfuck of an immigration bill, I will move on to another candidate I think is viable.
Reforms that make sense. Absolutely. Getting ass fucked on an issue that most hispanics don't care about. No thanks.
But TOM COTTON is for sure the real deal...
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 01:08 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 01:08 PM (LyF0H)
76 Oh and have I said it recently; fk Rubio.
He is screwing the pooch with this push for 'Immigration Reform'.
He obviously cares more about illegals...than he does for all those people whose ancestors built this country.
Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 01:08 PM (BZMZX)
Posted by: joncelli at January 28, 2013 04:56 PM (RD7QR)
If Boner doesn't violate Hastert Rule, zero.
If he does, 90%.
That being the case, I don't know why no journo has asked him whether he will rule out violating the rule to pass an immigration bill.
Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at January 28, 2013 01:08 PM (reJvr)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 01:09 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: eggs benedict at January 28, 2013 01:09 PM (FpBe1)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 01:09 PM (lD8ju)
If that doesn't work: revolution.
There just aren't a lot of other choices left.
Posted by: MrShad at January 28, 2013 01:09 PM (Xqfwb)
See, I don't think the Dems want the house. With the Repubs in charge of at least one branch, they can get all the blame for all the Dems' follies. If the Dems had all three branches, the only person they could blame would be Bush. (Which they'd do, but I think that's wearing pretty thin even among the idiots who vote Dem.)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 28, 2013 01:09 PM (xjpRj)
***
Yep.
No freebies and the people you get will be coming to try and build something...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 28, 2013 01:09 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 05:08 PM (tVTLU)
We tried to warn you about Rubio, man.
Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 01:09 PM (BZMZX)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 01:10 PM (lD8ju)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 28, 2013 01:10 PM (NLH1M)
They will go home on their own.
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 01:10 PM (53z96)
they think we conservatives are fucking inbred marks and they are the carnies....
have fun with whatever comes next GOP I get the feeling it will be bad for you.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 01:10 PM (LRFds)
Because here is the real deal: The GOP elite have a promise from Dem elite that the Dems will not run a Hispanic in 2014.
(Yes, yes. I know, it's as real as their promise for border control.)
But, there you have it. They've got Rubio (maybe Martinez) lined up for VP and they really, really (wish) believe the Hispanics will vote R just because of skin.
Never mind the long, long history of Democrat voters always, always rejecting the ethnic Republican who looks like them in favor of the lily white Democrat man.
So, not only are they selling out for non-binding promise, it's a bitterly hollow promise built on a blindly obvious false assumption.
That's the long game (scam) that is going on here.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 28, 2013 01:10 PM (imtbm)
Our culture and economy will choke to death on the fumes of multi-ethnic brotherhood long before America sinks into the fiery abyss.
Enjoy.
Posted by: 13times at January 28, 2013 01:10 PM (h6XiD)
Posted by: H. at January 28, 2013 01:11 PM (D5Jpp)
Posted by: akula51 at January 28, 2013 01:11 PM (YesJa)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 01:11 PM (ZPrif)
I can still remember how those Rethugs used to make me smile
And, I knew if they had a chance that they could make those people dance, and...
Maybe they'd be happy for a while
But, February made me shiver as every paper was delivered
Bad news on the doorstep - I couldn't take one more step
I can't remember if I cried when I read about this Hispandering bribe
Something touched me deep inside the day the Rethugs died.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 28, 2013 01:11 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 01:11 PM (9Bj8R)
How about the Jobs Panel? They haven't done a motherfucking thing in 4 years, and I hear they're unemployed.
Posted by: Fritz at January 28, 2013 01:11 PM (WM+rJ)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 01:11 PM (lD8ju)
Wheatie:
We shall see. Fucking Durbin and underage hooker lover on the other side of this does not give me much hope. And neither does mccain and graham.
Lindsey is going to get primaried like a mofo if he jams this shite down.
But again, I'll hold fire until I hear what the proposal is. I've always said something should be done, but we shall see.
In any event, the House should say fuck you we're not taking shit up until you address the damn spending. Period.
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 01:12 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 28, 2013 01:12 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Lauren at January 28, 2013 01:12 PM (wsGWu)
Capitol Hill may end up looking like The Station in Rhode Island by the time things are done.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 28, 2013 05:07 PM (e0xKF)
The World may end up looking like The Station in Rhode Island by the time things are done.
Posted by: rd at January 28, 2013 01:13 PM (zLp5I)
If Boner doesn't violate Hastert Rule
Posted by: Jon (not the troll)
That rule was already rendered as non-operative as the Washington Navel Treaty during the fiscal cliff vote.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2013 01:13 PM (kdS6q)
It was, I opined at the time, perhaps the last plausible chance to avert a huge demographic and political shift towards the Democrats in the oncoming 21st century.
Well, that idea didn't get any traction. Instead, the GOP decided that the sure-fire, can't-miss thing to expend their political capital on was to impeach Billy Jeff for getting a blowjob from a fat chick. This was, they assured me, going to be a huge success and would ensure the humiliated retreat of liberalism from the national stage.
Thanks guys.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2013 01:13 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Johnny at January 28, 2013 01:13 PM (v9Yvj)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 28, 2013 01:13 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 01:13 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Alfred Pennyworth at January 28, 2013 01:13 PM (e0xKF)
Posted by: McCain - Rubio 2016 at January 28, 2013 05:06 PM (EZl54
Kiss our asses.
Posted by: Rick Fucking Perry - Rand Paul 2016 at January 28, 2013 01:14 PM (UOM48)
They're going to have to change their nic from The Stupid Party to
Suicide R Us.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 28, 2013 01:14 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 01:14 PM (lD8ju)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 28, 2013 01:14 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: JeffC at January 28, 2013 01:14 PM (A3tpD)
Posted by: Y-not at January 28, 2013 01:15 PM (5H6zj)
Houston has a left-wing lesbian as mayor for fuck's sake.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:13 PM (ZPrif)
Houston is light blue and mostly because Houston proper is made up of the inner city. Demographics make it that way. If you look at the Houston metroplex, not as blue.
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 01:15 PM (t06LC)
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It was this that first caused me to consider that I might not be a Republican after all.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 28, 2013 01:15 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 01:15 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 28, 2013 05:14 PM (QxSug)
No he was NOT
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 01:16 PM (53z96)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:16 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 01:16 PM (lD8ju)
Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 28, 2013 01:16 PM (gqoK1)
Posted by: t-bird at January 28, 2013 01:16 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 01:16 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 28, 2013 01:17 PM (QxSug)
Houston has a left-wing lesbian as mayor for fuck's sake.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:13 PM (ZPrif)
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Oklahoma. The only state that's totally red.
Posted by: Barry Al Hussein at January 28, 2013 01:17 PM (DM+ui)
Posted by: Londoner Muhamed al Shakim at January 28, 2013 01:18 PM (HPRku)
I'd say this. Rubio was tea party before the tea party even fucking existed. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
So I'm willing to watch. The problem is that we get in this "boy's club" of congress and in the meantime they completely fuck us in the ass.
They did it to Reagan with the tax increase; spending cuts never came.
They did it to Reagan with original amnesty - even fucking Pat Buchanan backed that - but enforcement of the border never came.
The only way to do this is to fucking do border control FIRST and make its provisions automatic, and then we'll see.
If it's a halfway decent proposal, and they fucked over zero's grandstanding, then it would be beautiful indeed.
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 01:18 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 01:18 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:18 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 28, 2013 01:18 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 28, 2013 01:18 PM (hA+ft)
Are we getting used to the taste of it in our mouths? Someone must think so.
Posted by: California Red at January 28, 2013 01:18 PM (cB0VK)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 01:18 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: eggs benedict at January 28, 2013 01:18 PM (FpBe1)
Posted by: The MFM at January 28, 2013 01:19 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 01:19 PM (8sCoq)
134 Wheatie:
We shall see. Fucking Durbin and underage hooker lover on the other side of this does not give me much hope. And neither does mccain and graham.
Doesn't matter, Prescient11...whether or not you still like Rubio.
He has screwed himself politically with this, as far as ever getting elected in a national election.
McCain pushed for this same thing, in the years leading up to 2008.
And millions of people couldn't bring themselves to vote for him.
Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 01:19 PM (BZMZX)
I've been of the 'controlled let it burn' plan whereas the burn would allow the right minded side to take back our Country after the consequences were felt by those not paying close attention.
I am sorry to say that I am close to the Let The Motherfucker Burn To the Ground plan and everyman for themselves. This is selfish on my part since I have no children but I can't help feel how I feel. I really want to believe there is something left to fight for but everyday I see us taking one step forward and two steps back.
I try to remind myself that we won half the States in the last election, we have 30 governorships, that the NRA doubled their membership, that we have a lot of conservative patriots who are now citizens that served our Country in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I also see though that we are on our way to approving gay marriage, we have allowed gays to serve openly, we now allow women in combat, there will be sometype of infringement on the 2nd amendment, there are more takers than ever before, taxes are increasing on the producers and now we will provide citizenship to illegals while those who did the proper procedures get or got screwed. Our captialist country is more socialistic than ever before.
LTMFB. I think. fuck I'm conflicted.
Posted by: polynikes at January 28, 2013 01:19 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 01:19 PM (lD8ju)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:19 PM (piMMO)
The problem is conservatives believe in growing prosperity.
If we didn't, we could explain to minorities here that adding 11 million people would just take their jobs, their money, their benifits and that they and their families would be better off sending these people back.
But, thats racist.
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 01:19 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: no good deed at January 28, 2013 01:20 PM (mjR67)
what a bunch of dickless wonders- absolutely no spine whatsoever
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 01:20 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 01:20 PM (HS3dy)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 01:21 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 28, 2013 01:21 PM (GEICT)
What's more, no matter how the legislation is written, the Democrats/Progressives/Amnestyites will blame the "racist, Hispanic-hating" GOP for not certifying, validating, amnestying the illegals faster nevermind what the legislation says. If the law (as if it mattered) stated some 5-yr. waiting period somewhere, the Amnestyites would say it needs to be three or you're racist!!! If the GOP agrees (for the pragmatism, you see) to three, the Amnestyites will say it needs to be one. Replay this until the politicians' "consensus" is that nothing less than immediate amnesty is acceptable. And if immediate amnesty is accepted, then each of the amnestied must be allowed to import their parents. Then brothers and sisters. Then grandparents. Then second cousins and their closest friends. Anything less is Hispanic-hating racism!!!
It will never end - EVER - until every legal American is shafted, bankrupted, and demonized to criminality while the nation is gutted of its sovereignty, law, and justice.
Amnesty is the ring. It is the only ring. And the government, BOTH sides just as before, is uniting against legal citizens to grab it. Turns out, Rubio is the gloss the GOP (and more specifically, Hobbit-detesting Grahamnesty and McAmnesty) have been waiting for to pass yet another sh*t-sandwich.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 28, 2013 01:21 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Alfred Pennyworth at January 28, 2013 01:21 PM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Andre' Carson wants schools modeled after madrassas for indianapolis children at January 28, 2013 01:21 PM (m0v2L)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 28, 2013 01:21 PM (FKQng)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 28, 2013 01:21 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: H. at January 28, 2013 01:21 PM (D5Jpp)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 01:21 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 01:21 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 01:21 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 01:21 PM (ZPrif)
Hardly.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 05:18 PM (evdj2)
I don't want to start a Perry thread again but some of my taxes pay for tutition for illegals whether Perry admits to it or not. Some government subsidized scholarship funds do go to illegals.
Posted by: polynikes at January 28, 2013 01:21 PM (m2CN7)
Wheatie:
We shall see my friend. How I have heard it described, it's not unreasonable, at least what Rubio is saying.
But I believe you are correct, if he goes through with something that's retarded, and the core of us know it, he will not make it.
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 01:22 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 28, 2013 01:22 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 28, 2013 01:22 PM (FsUAO)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 01:22 PM (l86i3)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:22 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Clemenza at January 28, 2013 01:22 PM (x59Gv)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 01:23 PM (lD8ju)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:23 PM (piMMO)
Very good point, and the answer is yes. Note the one part of Texas that is blue, not a major urban area, but along the border.
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 01:23 PM (HS3dy)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 01:24 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Who Knows at January 28, 2013 01:24 PM (W+Itt)
***
You don't sell the steak, you sell the sizzle!
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 28, 2013 01:24 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 01:24 PM (QxSug)
163...Oklahoma. The only state that's totally red.
Jim Inhoffe [R- OK] worked tirelessly to poison-pill McCain's amnesty bill.
Inhoffe is a big reason why it didn't pass.
I'm hoping that he will do it again...and that he will get a little help this time.
Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 01:25 PM (BZMZX)
NDH:
What was this about?
More dangerous than this remains the rookie move he made last year in pushing a vote to fast track Georgia's admission into the U.N.
Rand Paul was the one to step in and put a stop to it.
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 01:25 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:26 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 28, 2013 01:26 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Pancho Via at January 28, 2013 01:26 PM (e8kgV)
163...Oklahoma. The only state that's totally red.
That fits since Oklahoma means 'Red Man' in Choctaw.
Posted by: polynikes clavin at January 28, 2013 01:26 PM (m2CN7)
No one likes having to cut deals, but voters in their less-than-infinite wisdom brought back split government to Washington, and thatÂ’s the only way that we will resolve this issue with any conservative input over the next four years.
Ed Morrissey - Conservative Blogger of the Year
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2013 01:27 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 01:27 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 01:27 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 01:28 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 01:28 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 28, 2013 01:28 PM (FsUAO)
Once again, we'll have to pass this bill to find out what's in it. Look for another 1500+ page bill.
One other thing. I think this is the recycled version of the bill that was totally rejected by the public earlier in the decade.
Pathway to citizenship. Sound familier?
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2013 01:28 PM (DM+ui)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 01:29 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 01:29 PM (QxSug)
As I recall, what Mitt said was, "I agree with the President."
A bunch of times, too. And then he wondered why conservative voters did not turn out for him.
Now we learn from one of Mitt's sons that Mitt "never really wanted to be President" and just ran because he thought it was the thing to do next.
We used to talk about "fire in the belly" as a key thing for a Presidential aspirant.
Up next: "Weakly Glowing Ember In The Belly: The Mitt Romney Story".
Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2013 01:30 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:30 PM (piMMO)
De-lurking...
Please forgive me for arriving late to the party, for I have not read all the comments. I can tell you that this is going to be sooo much hell on my lovely state the People's Republic of California. I moved back after separating from the military and I was shocked as shit. It looked like Mexico then and it is getting progressively worse now. Los Angeles City Council members Bernard Parks and Jan Perry were going to all the black churches in last year crying about how Latinos are taking over the city and something must be done. I just laughed...these are the same assholes who told everyone how awesome the "brown/black" coalition was and how "we" needed to vote for Tony Villar for mayor so the evil Republican/white man couldn't win. Fucking assholes.
Posted by: I Be That Chick at January 28, 2013 01:30 PM (rLMKB)
Anything that little bag of shit Gutierrez is for is a bad thing. You don't even have to look into. Just see his name and it's bad like he is
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 28, 2013 01:30 PM (1Jaio)
But now I wonder if the very freedom I cherish, freedom from 'papers, please' as seen eventually in all autocratic societies, is not a serious contributor to the illegal alien situation. They can skate BECAUSE they don't need papers for most things.
I'm not joking. We already live in a early version of a police state; might as well have the benny of needing papers.
Of course, that presupposes that the illegals don't all wind up with papers as a result of this new bipartisan assfucking.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 28, 2013 01:30 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 01:30 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 01:31 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Hanoverfist at January 28, 2013 01:31 PM (yf/IC)
I'm thinking of buying the land to show interest and equity in Canada. The main goal is to lay the groundwork for my son to make himself useful and the wife and I a living....
I love Alberta but as was pointed out Alberta is booming.
Main thing is a rally point and some wealth that is valued on the loon rather than the greenback as that alone will be a better inflationary hedge than anything but gold right now.
This train is not really going to fly in my estimation.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 01:31 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 01:33 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 01:33 PM (ZPrif)
"They've done an absolutely terrible job in making their case to the public," said lobbyist Tom Archer, president of the Our Values, Our Texas group that was among more than a dozen that testified to budget-writers in support of reversing the school cuts last week. "Even [school administrators] are telling me that."
Education leaders say they tried. And tried.
They point to empty campuses in suburban Austin where the district can't afford to open the doors. In San Antonio, the fourth-largest school district in Texas spent $261,000 implanting tracking chips in student IDs, an investment Northside officials say was made to boost attendance records and potentially wring another $1.7 million out of the state.
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Ya see, Texas is gonna install trackin chips on them Mezzcans so's they can track 'em. That way they can give 'em more stimulus funds.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at January 28, 2013 01:33 PM (0It32)
Boned.
And no lightbulbs will go on when Odictator signs this into law, and all over TV are mobs of people waving the Mexican flag.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2013 01:34 PM (p/cQy)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 01:34 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 01:34 PM (QxSug)
That's not what it says.
It actually says there is a probationary status, which never goes anywhere unless the border is secured, based on a set of agreed upon measures.
We can argue over measures. We can argue over probationary- which is what liberals are worried about. Because at least they know it's not amnesty.
But go ahead. Don't let me stop the feeding frenzy.
Generally in my profession we try to read the details of complex agreements to understand the whole. Apparently that's not a practice around here.
Because, ya know, what's going on right now with illegal immigrants is just peachy.
Posted by: Marcus at January 28, 2013 01:34 PM (tE3it)
Yes because this fucking bullshit issue allowed to fester since the fucking passage of the 1986 bill has to be SOLVED NOW.
Fuck tepid
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 01:35 PM (LRFds)
Thanks NDH, that is interesting.
For fuck's sake is everyone on the dole? Not sure why Rubio would push for that, but that is clear thinking by Rand Paul.
I actually like John Bolton though. frankly.
Pat swims in the deep end sometimes, but I like him as well.
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 01:35 PM (tVTLU)
Didn't know this actually, damn. Had to look it up. Shit. Houston city is actually pretty small compared to the surrounding suburbs. That's all I've got to make myself feel better about this. This is probably that same county that Sheila Jackson Lee represents.
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 01:35 PM (HS3dy)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 01:35 PM (ZPrif)
Maybe you should listen to the donks telling their people the truth...
the "commission" is non-binding ergo
"amnesty"
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 01:36 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 01:36 PM (QxSug)
Do we need to primary 100% of GOP idiots who vote for this crap so that the next batch will learn? Sign me up!
Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 28, 2013 01:36 PM (X/+QT)
234...I'm not joking. We already live in a early version of a police state; might as well have the benny of needing papers.
It would certainly create a lot of new jobs....
All those people who would be manufacturing fake 'National ID's'.
Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 01:36 PM (BZMZX)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 01:37 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 01:37 PM (9Bj8R)
That is what did in Sen. Bennet from Utah. There is hope that Hatch remembers what happened.
Posted by: MrShad at January 28, 2013 01:37 PM (Xqfwb)
Some of us conservatives think building a fence is a terrible idea. For one, it is impractical. In fact, none other than Rick Perry said so. Now if you are using fence in loose sense to mean physical where appropriate and virtual for most areas, then that may be a good idea. But I could not support the building of a physical fence along the entire boarder. And there are many conservative arguments in favor of not building such a fence.
Nor do I find it conservative to simply say things like E-verify. Conservatives should naturally shy away from government regulations. This is simply another form of regulation. Conscripting the private sector to do the job that the government doesn't want to do. Even if I concede that this is effective in reducing immigration, I would not support it.
So what is my solution. I'm not sure I have one. I'm still not sure one is needed.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2013 01:38 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 01:38 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:38 PM (piMMO)
snip~
We would be in a much better position to achieve immigration reform if the Obama Administration had spent that last four years enforcing federal law rather than dismantling it. Brave immigration agents have been left with no recourse but to sue their own Department head, simply so that they—like any other law officers—will be allowed to do their jobs. Just last Friday a federal judge made an important preliminary ruling in their favor. The ICE union also held their own agency head, John Morton, in no confidence with a unanimous vote. The first task for every media agency in the country ought to be to study this lawsuit, to listen to the long-documented complaints of ICE agents, and to review the record of stymied attempts at congressional oversight of DHS.
No comprehensive plan can pass Congress as long as this
administration continues to defy existing federal law. What good are
promises of future enforcement when the Administration covertly
undermines those laws now in place?
http://tinyurl.com/abek2d5
Posted by: Tami[/i] at January 28, 2013 01:38 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: BuckIV at January 28, 2013 01:38 PM (gedHR)
Just wait till all of those newly legal amnestied Hispanics start demanding a precisely proportional share of the government jobs that are now hugely disproportionately held by blacks.
Blacks are 13% of the population? Great. They get 13% of the cush jobs, then. What? The actual percentage of blacks working in this government department is 25%? Well, lay those fuckers off to make room for Pedro and Maria.
"Disparate impact," don't you know.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2013 01:38 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 01:38 PM (l86i3)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:39 PM (piMMO)
And that asshole Lindsay Graham is up for reelection here in 2014. I hope we can primary the worthless cockofsucker.
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 05:02 PM (53z96)
I won't be voting for Miss Lindsay should he make it past the primary. And, I'll be writing a letter to Tim Scott politely reminding him that my first vote for him will be my last should he board the amnesty supertrain. If they've got such a fucking hard-on for being in the permanent minority, then I have no qualms in passively helping them out.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 28, 2013 01:39 PM (7xeJQ)
You didn't actually read the entire proposal- did you?
I was around in 1986. This ain't 1986.
Posted by: Marcus at January 28, 2013 01:39 PM (tE3it)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 01:39 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:39 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 01:40 PM (QxSug)
Just as this is coming up, the TARS (Tethered Aerostat Radar System) is coming down across the southern border. March 15th (or 31st, depending on the site), the only way we have to detect low flying aircraft as it approaches the border gets shut down. The replacement ground based system is still in its early testing phase.
And the ground based system won't be able to look as far across the border as the TARS, because the TARS was a look-down system.
So let us recap. Amnesty dangled in front of illegals while the border is thrown open ever wider. Americans under threat of disarmament. Representitive government no longer representing half the citizenry.
It won't be too long before we hear the distant rattle of musketry, I suspect.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at January 28, 2013 01:40 PM (ial2b)
Posted by: jeanne at January 28, 2013 05:07 PM (GdalM)
That battle was exhausting. I was on a first name basis with the staff of Cornyn's office because I stopped by once a week. I've got a sinking feeling that even if public outrage is greater than last time, it's a done deal. But I'm still gonna call and write every single effing day.
Posted by: TxAnn56 at January 28, 2013 01:40 PM (Y/hkJ)
Posted by: Marcus at January 28, 2013 01:40 PM (tE3it)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:40 PM (piMMO)
I will say that if the GOP does not get this right, they are going to break the fucking party and have no power for a long time.
And finally send this country into the shitter permanently.
We shall see, we shall see.
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 01:40 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Candygram at January 28, 2013 01:40 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 01:40 PM (LyF0H)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 01:40 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 01:40 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 01:41 PM (l86i3)
No he won't. He charged anti-illegal alien voters with racism/Hobbitism when he tried the last sh*t-sandwich under Bush and he was reelected. All he has to do is throw out some red meat (say, a pro-military policy) during the primary period and he'll be good to go. He did this to great effect already so history shows he won't be punished enough to get kicked out. Incumbency is a stone cold b*tch to overcome.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 28, 2013 01:41 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2013 05:38 PM (gmeXX)
Last I checked enforcing existing laws re immigration *is* a conservative position. So I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that border fences and e-verify are un-conservative.
Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 01:42 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 01:42 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 01:42 PM (LyF0H)
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 28, 2013 01:42 PM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 05:35 PM (HS3dy)
Yep. Its a commuter city. The well to dos usually live outside Houston proper. All thats left are straight ticket dems for a reason. Its like that in SA too.
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 01:42 PM (t06LC)
…”We have to figure out a way in which [undocumented immigrants] incorporate themselves into the larger workforce,
What workforce? Unemployment is at 14%, should we push for 25%?
Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 01:42 PM (NmvvV)
spending curbs
tax increases
debt ceiling
amnesty and border control
Next up: Gun control. Bank on it.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2013 01:43 PM (p/cQy)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at January 28, 2013 01:43 PM (I2LwF)
At least Obama was honest. I mean he did say that he was going to fundamentally transform the United States.
That so many of the people - WHO ARE NO LONGER MY COUNTRYMEN!!! - thought that that was hunky dory is what breaks my heart.
Posted by: LGoPs at January 28, 2013 01:44 PM (4x8W0)
266 Inhoffe is a national treasure.
Posted by: joeindc44
And should be buried on a beach in a trunk.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet
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Eh?
What do you have against Inhoffe, OSP?
Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 01:44 PM (BZMZX)
Sub $37,500ish the same ~15%
For individuals whose adjusted gross incomes range between $34,000 and $81,940, taxes are higher in the United States.
Now Canada has a vat and provincial tax structure gets sporty but really how is that different than here?
Point is and you KNOW how I feel about taxes and that I KNOW taxes....
I know I am not getting assfucked by Soc Sec and Medi-Scam and have a media wanting Barry to get in a race with Fwance if I go North.
Hell I *might* even be able to influence my fucking elected leadership eh?
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 01:44 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Candygram at January 28, 2013 01:44 PM (jVAw4)
The only good thing about this deal, when it goes through, my drywall problems ore OVER!
So, you mean I'll get back the lawnmowers the "entrepreneurs" in my old neighborhood stole?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2013 01:45 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 01:45 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 01:45 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: parteagirl at January 28, 2013 01:45 PM (bjCIx)
Posted by: thunderb at January 28, 2013 01:45 PM (Dnbau)
My health insurance has already gone up 100% since Obamacare ... more to come to take care of all the lobbyists and all the welfare class and illegals. DC is in the business of growing government and milking the middle class.
Of course they want to take our guns ... before they start confiscating assets.
Posted by: Illini Bill at January 28, 2013 01:46 PM (HQuBO)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 28, 2013 01:46 PM (e0xKF)
eh fuck things like economics or logic....
I'd be all for totally OPEN fucking border if they would dismantle this cylindrical device they have at the back of my throat.....
abolish minimum wage cut taxes to a flat even 20% etc etc
no no everything is fine we just need more fucking drawerers on the social safety net....
fuck the fucking politicians.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 01:46 PM (LRFds)
I have just two questions for this Open Borders crowd: Do you have a front door where you live?
Why? Given your stance and support for a porous border with Mexico, shouldn't anyone who wishes to enter your home be allowed to?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 28, 2013 01:46 PM (+z4pE)
America doesn't care.
They didn't care when the Feds gave $1 trillion to crony corporations who turned around and betrayed the US.
Ditto Obamacare, the Mid-east and North Africa, etc.
Peeps, they don't care and they won't until it flattens them like a collapsing, 110-story building.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 28, 2013 01:46 PM (xz0nG)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 01:46 PM (l86i3)
Nah Juan just feels safe in admitting he was envious of fucking tedster,......
we're prisoners and slaves doomed to suffer so "better Americans' can steal our history and nation
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 01:47 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Pancho Via at January 28, 2013 01:47 PM (e8kgV)
Next up: Gun control. Bank on it.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
Tsk tsk. Not "gun control", it's "gun safety". Weren't you cc'd on the official GOP email?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2013 01:47 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 01:47 PM (evdj2)
Ees gonna suck to pay the taxes an buy the health insurance, no?
Posted by: Manuel Labor at January 28, 2013 01:47 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:48 PM (piMMO)
Last I checked enforcing existing laws re immigration *is* a conservative position. So I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that border fences and e-verify are un-conservative.
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The border fence itself is not a law. And e-verify is basically a consription on the private sector.
Here are my arguments against:
- Border - it is expensive, unlikely to be as effective as advertised (building taller ladders as Perry says), and frankly, I'm not sure I want my country to be bordered off. The last one is a soft argument, which I could move one, but all things being equal, I'd rather not live in a wall-ed of state. Just feels like something the other side did, not us.
- E-verify. I am against just about anything that tells private businesses what they must do to hire someone. I hate the idea that they have to request I-9s and pay taxes for employees. This strikes me as an added burden.
These may not persuade you, but I think they are perfectly conservative/libertarian reasons to oppose them.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2013 01:48 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 28, 2013 01:49 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 01:49 PM (lD8ju)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:49 PM (piMMO)
As soon as you saw that McCain and Rubio were in this group it should have been obvious what the outcome would be. Anyone remember McCain's exasperated outburst in 2008 about the border fence "Then build the damn thing"?
I don't get this fascination with Rubio. On paper he may look promising but in reality his is just another politician angling for a better gig. Every time I look at him I am reminded of an arrogant sob from highschool who thought the world owed him everything just because he was so wonderful. I may be wrong and my perception clouded by personal experience but that's just the vibe I get.
Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 01:49 PM (NmvvV)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 01:50 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 01:50 PM (evdj2)
Insert alligators.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:39 PM (piMMO)
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An extended series of south-pointing rifle ranges. Now that's sport shooting.
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2013 01:50 PM (DM+ui)
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2013 05:48 PM (gmeXX)
Well my quibble is that these are really libertarian objections than conservative ones and should be labeled as such.
Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 01:50 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 01:50 PM (l86i3)
Posted by: The Quotable John McCain at January 28, 2013 01:51 PM (EZl54)
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 01:51 PM (HS3dy)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 01:51 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:51 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 01:51 PM (lD8ju)
Posted by: Pancho Via at January 28, 2013 05:47 PM (e8kgV)
Marcus was around in 1986 or so he says. Ask him if he remembers this particular line that was spouted quite frequently.
Posted by: polynikes at January 28, 2013 01:51 PM (m2CN7)
Well my quibble is that these are really libertarian objections than conservative ones and should be labeled as such.
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Um Ok. I didn't realize saving money and less regulations were only libertarian viewpoints. I thought there was some overlap. Guess not.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2013 01:51 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:51 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 05:41 PM (l86i3)
It has quietly been going out here in Southern California for the last twenty years or so. I can tell you that blacks have no clue about the shit that is going to happen to them. SCOAMF has sold them out and they don't even realize it. Every time I hear one of my relatives talk glowingly about him, I just laugh. They are sooo fucked.
By the way, if one were to drive around Southern California during the week and happen upon road construction...99.9% of the time the workers are Latino. Can't recall the last time I saw a white, Asian or black working road construction. Hell, a good portion of the LAPD and Sheriff's department are Latino. Shaking my head at the insanity. And don't get me started on all the labels on food products and billboards. Sigh...
Posted by: I Be That Chick at January 28, 2013 01:52 PM (rLMKB)
Posted by: C. Montgomery Burns at January 28, 2013 01:52 PM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 01:52 PM (l86i3)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 01:52 PM (ZPrif)
hell I'd make a good Canadian- I like Canadian Club and have a beard
but I bet their handgun laws are for shit, eh- hosers
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 01:53 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:53 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: maddogg at January 28, 2013 01:53 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 01:54 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:54 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at January 28, 2013 01:54 PM (vOdIN)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 01:54 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 01:54 PM (9Bj8R)
son of a bitch.
Posted by: MrShad at January 28, 2013 01:54 PM (Xqfwb)
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (HS3dy)
The voters they have now are hard to fool and hard to buy off. They need a dumber, cheaper class of voters. And they are importing them.
Posted by: Truman North (D) at January 28, 2013 01:55 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (gmeXX)
Your sarcasm really confirms you don't know the difference between conservative and libertarian.
Posted by: polynikes at January 28, 2013 01:55 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 01:55 PM (l86i3)
They have been cowed into submission by the Democrat/Media complex
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 01:55 PM (8sCoq)
here we go
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 01:56 PM (8sCoq)
“Do we want them to go to the exchanges? Absolutely we do — if and when they don’t have healthcare through their employer,” he said.>>
Yup, they think you're just that stupid, folks.
Posted by: Sgt. York at January 28, 2013 01:56 PM (KIeJ9)
Posted by: Big Bayou Catfish at January 28, 2013 01:56 PM (lD8ju)
Posted by: Panchita loves Trey not Lindsay at January 28, 2013 01:56 PM (Cjcon)
son of a bitch.
weird, eh
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 01:56 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 01:57 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 01:57 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: maddogg at January 28, 2013 01:57 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (gmeXX)
No - it's a matter of tradeoffs between burdens and benefits.
Clearly we could save a whole lot of money by disbanding police forces and the military but pretty much only Libertarians would ever argue for that.
Likewise if you have a law against hiring illegal aliens, there has to be some means of enforcement other than the honor system. That means someone somewhere has to actually verify that all hired employees are legally allowed to work here. Yes this is 'government regulation' but without it (or something similar) the law is essentially unenforceable. And lawlessness is NOT a conservative value.
Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 01:58 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 28, 2013 01:58 PM (KwX0v)
re the land, why not Alaska? The issues with dollar dropping in value, for land wouldn't this actually be good? In theory you could have large mortgages and after hyper inflation be able to easily payoff a fixed mortgage. Buy a zillion acres of land and when shit hits the fan you could sell off some tradeable assets like cattle to pay it off.
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 01:58 PM (HS3dy)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 01:58 PM (l86i3)
Latinos at large, especially illegals, are far more likely to be liberal than conservative voters. Rubio HAS to understand this, so what is his real motive?
Does he plan to follow the Chris Christie trajectory? These sort of moves may make you wildly popular in small pockets of the country but not where you want it or where it counts.
Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 01:58 PM (NmvvV)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 01:59 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 01:59 PM (lD8ju)
Posted by: Juan McCain at January 28, 2013 01:59 PM (qo244)
Um Ok. I didn't realize saving money and less regulations were only libertarian viewpoints. I thought there was some overlap. Guess not.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (gmeXX)
Usted es una bolsa de ducha.
Posted by: Panchita loves Trey not Lindsay at January 28, 2013 01:59 PM (Cjcon)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:55 PM (8sCoq)
And sadly the voters as well. :-(
Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 01:59 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: SFGoth at January 28, 2013 01:59 PM (dZ756)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:57 PM (piMMO)
they'll self-moderate, I'm sure
I quit FNC some time ago- I only watch for serious breaking news now- hurricane, some manner of astronomical apocalypse perhaps
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 01:59 PM (8sCoq)
I also want to see exactly how much this bill is going to cost us.
Maybe all of this is just more Cloward/Piven.
LIB.
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2013 02:00 PM (DM+ui)
I thought there was some overlap. Guess not.
Posted by: SH
Libertarian C Liberal, not Libertarian C Conservative
C for the subset sign since I don't dare try for the special character.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2013 02:00 PM (kdS6q)
I guess sometimes I feel compelled to repeat things, and this happened with the fiscal cliff deal also:
The bill is already written, it is 99% agreed upon, once the House decides which Repubs will be assigned to vote for it with the Dems the legislation will be passed.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2013 02:00 PM (p/cQy)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 02:00 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:00 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 02:01 PM (lD8ju)
Posted by: toby928© from the future at January 28, 2013 02:01 PM (evdj2)
We are out of hills to die on, so I guess we can committ suicide and be done with it.
/the fucking spineless moronic Republican assboys.
Posted by: maddogg at January 28, 2013 02:01 PM (OlN4e)
Well? Where is it? Oh, that's right... your lips were moving. Should've spotted the lie quicker.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 28, 2013 02:01 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 05:59 PM (pAlYe)
If only some conservative with balls had punched back the first time the race card was played, but....
that window of opportunity closed long ago
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 02:01 PM (8sCoq)
(Slaps forehead) Immigration Reform? And this is important right now because .... ?
Another diversion. Why-oh-why does anyone pay attention to McCain and the same, tired, old crap. IF we had a leader in the House and IF he had some cajones, he'd release a statement saying that Immigration Deform will not be on the House agenda in the current session. But then again IF we had THAT we'd be in a lot better shape on the fiscal economic issues we face.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 28, 2013 02:02 PM (n8LUb)
-The Mexicans are leaving.
-The dollar is so devalued it's ridiculous for them to stay.
-Illegals of any stripe don't want to pay taxes.
This is yet another case of the FedGov attempting to legislate the impossible into being. Just a futile attempt to boost the numbers of taxpayers with the only power that they wield.
We stopped being country by Reagan's own definition when he himself signed IRCA of 1986
Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at January 28, 2013 02:02 PM (EZl54)
Maybe I should down to the local ER and apply for a job as an undocumented doctor. Or pop a blue light on top of my car and start pulling people over as an undocumented police officer.
You can be whatever you want, folks. What difference does it make?
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 28, 2013 02:03 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 02:03 PM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: steevy at January 28, 2013 02:03 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 02:03 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: maddogg at January 28, 2013 05:57 PM (OlN4e)
Es follando gracioso - LOL!!
Posted by: Panchita ama Trey at January 28, 2013 02:03 PM (Cjcon)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:03 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (HS3dy)
Yes, it looks like there's a hidden agenda.
Voters on the left wants a central power, GOP is there to mislead their voters to create it.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 28, 2013 02:03 PM (AWmfW)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 28, 2013 02:04 PM (+z4pE)
Posted by: Icedog at January 28, 2013 02:04 PM (PTS+l)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:04 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 02:04 PM (lD8ju)
The GOP has become dependable.
Unfortunately that's not working out very well for conservatives.
Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 28, 2013 02:04 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:06 PM (piMMO)
AnonymousDrivel, yes, you have the right quote, I was just too lazy to go looking for it.
Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 02:07 PM (NmvvV)
One burning irony is how racist and nationalistic Mexicans are in their own country.
They might have forgotten, but they do have their own country.
Posted by: Who Knows at January 28, 2013 02:07 PM (W+Itt)
Posted by: ergastularius at January 28, 2013 02:08 PM (tYgXE)
Snowing here in western Denver Metro. Glad I got my V-Twin fix yesterday
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 02:08 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 28, 2013 06:02 PM (n8LUb)
Until Boehner does one fucking thing that you'd expect from somebody in a leadership position, he's as worthless as McRINO.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 28, 2013 02:08 PM (UK4h4)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 02:08 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:00 PM (piMMO)
Él debe ir a follar a sà mismo.
Posted by: Panchita ama Trey at January 28, 2013 02:08 PM (Cjcon)
Posted by: t-bird at January 28, 2013 02:08 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Tami[/i] at January 28, 2013 02:09 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 02:09 PM (lD8ju)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 28, 2013 06:02 PM (n8LUb)
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As I've said. Actual "Americans" have had no representation in DC since 2007. It's all for special interests and diversity now.
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2013 02:09 PM (DM+ui)
Posted by: sexypig at January 28, 2013 02:09 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:10 PM (piMMO)
I'm guessing somewhere between a month and 100 milliseconds.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 28, 2013 02:10 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:03 PM (Hz1zc)
Why should we have open borders when Canada and Mexico don't?
Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 02:10 PM (pAlYe)
Good job, Ace. About time for a big spic-bashing thread. Hurray for the White Party.
Ahhh, I see, in your mind, "illegal aliens" automatically equals Mexicans.
Fuckin racist!
Posted by: Icedog at January 28, 2013 02:10 PM (PTS+l)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:11 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 02:11 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: t-bird at January 28, 2013 02:11 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Panchita ama Trey at January 28, 2013 02:12 PM (Cjcon)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 02:12 PM (l86i3)
And, I'd like to thank Rubio, McCain, Graham, and Flake (WTF?!) for distracting from the issue du jour, gun control.
Assholes.
Neat, isn't it? And just as it was starting to bite.
Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 02:12 PM (NmvvV)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 02:13 PM (l86i3)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 06:11 PM (8sCoq)
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Nope. They'll be sunning themselves on the island they bought off the coast of Thailand. Bet on it. And when the collapse comes, you can bet all the other assholes that brought it about have similar plans.
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2013 02:14 PM (DM+ui)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 02:14 PM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: Retread at January 28, 2013 02:14 PM (zxitI)
Posted by: Jean at January 28, 2013 02:15 PM (uRbX6)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 02:15 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 02:15 PM (HDgX3)
Credit for direct quote goes to T.Hunter (The Quotable John McCain). I just borrowed it.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 28, 2013 02:15 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: awkward davies at January 28, 2013 02:15 PM (USjX1)
Posted by: Bigby's Ringtossing Hands at January 28, 2013 02:16 PM (RLTt1)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 02:16 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: blindside at January 28, 2013 02:16 PM (x7g7t)
Also, if Christie is the future leader of the wave, then this whole immigration problem needs to be wrapped up before the fat man runs for president.
Posted by: ergastularius at January 28, 2013 02:16 PM (tYgXE)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 02:16 PM (ZPrif)
Sorry, funbags
Posted by: Bigby's Ringtossing Hands at January 28, 2013 02:17 PM (RLTt1)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:14 PM (Hz1zc)
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If welfare didn't exist I'd agree with you 100%. But welfare does exist so please 'splain to me how you're going to pay welfare for another 10, 20 30, 50, 100 million Mexican and South American new citizens.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 02:17 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 02:17 PM (l86i3)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 02:17 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: blindside at January 28, 2013 02:17 PM (x7g7t)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 28, 2013 02:17 PM (CHnHn)
Ray Lewis, the shy, quiet kid from Connestee Street, dealing with the pain of ailing grandmother
After Manti Teo it will be some time before people give a damn.
Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 02:18 PM (NmvvV)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 06:15 PM (ZPrif)
That's a pretty fucking nasty thing to say.....
.....unfortunately I think you are correct, and that makes me sad.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 28, 2013 02:18 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:14 PM (Hz1zc)
So you'd fuck over Americans, already struggling to find jobs, because it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? You'd fuck over the people paying taxes through the nose right now to add millions more to the 'takers' column?
Well aren't you a special snowflake.....or maybe just a flake.
Posted by: Tami[/i] at January 28, 2013 02:18 PM (X6akg)
442 I always laugh when people talk about 11 million illegals. 11 million? Maybe in CA. Nationally, that has to be more in the 30-40 million range.
Thank you.
I was thinking the same thing.
Since they've had no interest in catching them...how do they know how many there are?
Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 02:19 PM (BZMZX)
Posted by: blindside at January 28, 2013 06:16 PM (x7g7t)
Sure it is gringo. Now pay us or we'll picket.
Posted by: La Raza at January 28, 2013 02:19 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 02:19 PM (jVAw4)
Americans, make us stronger.
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:14 PM (Hz1zc)
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Oh yeah totally. All the people booing team USA when they're playing Mexico are great Americans that make us super duper strong and stuff.
http://tinyurl.com/7dj2tze
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 02:20 PM (HDgX3)
Stopping the violation of the Second Amendment is first order of business.
Second is the fucking debt/fiscal issues.
After that, we can get around to the immigration issues, which we will embrace but not be ass fucked again by blanket amnesty. We support Senator Rubio and our colleagues in the Senate, and will be happy to review any proposals that actually make sense for the American people.
Sincerely,
House GOP.
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 02:20 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:21 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 02:21 PM (l86i3)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 06:17 PM (jVAw4)
It can't be the realz erg loughner without calling us "knuckleheads" multiple times and addressing ace personally.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 28, 2013 02:21 PM (UK4h4)
--Has to be a sock.
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 06:17 PM (jVAw4)
Nope it seems to be the real erg.
Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 02:21 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: WVinMN at January 28, 2013 02:22 PM (4Pleu)
Well Marcus thinks he has it pegged and this ain't '86 and well "he's right."
In 1986 we were told 3/4 million illegals was a national tragedy and that we HAD to grant AMNESTY just this one time just the tip promise.....
we gained 3 million amigos!
So if my understanding of old King Math! is correct we just added 10% of our population more or less.
You want to know why i wish more people would break this nation up...Juan is the only force on Earth that can make good the Demcorats baby murder fetish.
They just undid Christianity's advantage.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 02:22 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 02:22 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:22 PM (piMMO)
"I assume you don't have a job where you could be easily replaced by an immigrant."
Even if I did, I'd still be for open borders.
So, you're unemployed then?
Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 02:22 PM (NmvvV)
Section 2, part C, subsections 4-7 of the official AOSHQ rulebook regulate the amount of emotional energy one can exert on a troll.
Poking it with a stick and mocking its small and flacid penis is of course unregulated, and is, in fact, encouraged.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 28, 2013 02:22 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 28, 2013 02:23 PM (UK4h4)
Posted by: Baldy at January 28, 2013 02:23 PM (opS9C)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:23 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 06:19 PM (BZMZX)
But it is a federal crime to lie to a census worker, so surely we have a correct count of all the current inhabitants of this country as of 2010.
Oh wait, these people are effing ILLEGAL aliens so maybe they might not obey the law...nah, that can't possibly happen.
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 28, 2013 02:23 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 06:21 PM (pAlYe)
I thought he got busted for child pornography
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 02:23 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 28, 2013 02:23 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:24 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 06:21 PM (pAlYe)
It seems to have gotten stupider. But I didn't think that was possible.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 28, 2013 02:24 PM (GsoHv)
You're guessing low.
According to Gallup, 150 million adults (not including their children) say they'd like to immigrate to the US if they could:
http://tinyurl.com/6rtwczu
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- About 13% of the world's adults -- or more than 640 million people -- say they would like to leave their country permanently. Roughly 150 million of them say they would like to move to the U.S.
150 million, double that for their children. The US population is about 314 million.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 28, 2013 02:24 PM (SY2Kh)
So since I live in the People's Soviet Socialist Republic of Commiefornia, I have to laugh when I hear stupid shit like this.
The local liberal literati always sniff that it's "racist" to oppose mass immigration.
And then sometimes literally without even pausing for a single breath, they segue into denunciations of how "growth" is ruining the quality of life in Commiefornia with pollution and overcrowding and traffic and paving over wildland.
Dumbfuck much? The "growth" in question is essentially 100% driven by immigration.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2013 02:24 PM (gqT4g)
There is no incentive for the party that has the media as its pawn or master I am not sure which anymore to ever stop the flow.
The GOP just blew our nation's brains out.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 02:24 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 28, 2013 02:24 PM (4c71i)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 02:25 PM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 28, 2013 06:23 PM (Gk3SS)
when I get cranky I watch Taxi Driver
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 02:25 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:23 PM (piMMO)
I sit corrected.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 28, 2013 02:25 PM (UK4h4)
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2013 02:25 PM (DM+ui)
Posted by: ergie poo at January 28, 2013 02:25 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 02:26 PM (l86i3)
Yup and hey guess what I'd support THAT sooner than this fucking bullshit.
The Mexicans are a democrat weapon aimed straight at the heart of American Freedom whereas the rest of the world would probably come here to work their asses off and try to help.
We lost, and if Canada and/or Oz falls the concept of Lockeian liberty is dead.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 02:26 PM (LRFds)
The classics never die. I might add, however, that they are sometimes forgotten. I miss that quote.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 28, 2013 02:26 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Icedog at January 28, 2013 02:26 PM (PTS+l)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 06:25 PM (8sCoq)
You know, I am in the mood for a comedy. Maybe a double bill of Taxi Driver and The Seventh Seal.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 28, 2013 02:27 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 02:27 PM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 28, 2013 06:24 PM (4c71i)
_________________
It's the Yankees of the 1950s playing a AA team.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 02:27 PM (HDgX3)
The Shipping News
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 28, 2013 02:28 PM (GsoHv)
Thanks. I had to shower after that post.
If possible, I would like to use that credit to purchase a printed copy of a chart showing the net cost of illegal immigration on current and future generations of the American taxpayer. Which includes my kids and their kids and their kids etc. etc.
I would then like to carefully roll the paper chart into a small tube and stick up it Jordan's ass.
Thank you.
Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at January 28, 2013 02:28 PM (EZl54)
Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2013 06:24 PM (gqT4g)
And I like when they constantly call for more money "for the children" and the children that are trotted out for the photo ops are from south of the border. I know that Los Angeles is gone, but I am wondering how long Orange County can hang on. With the exception of Anaheim and Santa Ana, Orange County had been resistant to illegals taking over. Los Angeles County...not so much.
Posted by: I Be That Chick at January 28, 2013 02:28 PM (rLMKB)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 02:28 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:28 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 06:25 PM (8sCoq)
Good choice; Deer Hunter also works.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 28, 2013 02:28 PM (UK4h4)
That's right whoredan so long as you get to micromanage every aspect of their fucking life it is all good eh amigo?
If I don't emigrate I am switching my registration to D and ratfucking you by backing the most batshit crazy illegal I can forever.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 02:29 PM (LRFds)
You're so cute when you pretend to know something.
How is California going to feed their new immigrants? You neo-Malthusian assholes have destroyed the Central Valley.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 28, 2013 02:29 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 02:30 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:30 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: WVinMN at January 28, 2013 02:30 PM (4Pleu)
Interesting thing is that hispanic birthrates, particularly mexican, have dropped dramatically.
And i mean pretty much below replacement rate.
And conservatives fail to understand that mexico violently controls its southern border.
Very complicated issue, but if we can do something decent, then I say we give it a shot. and rubio, cruz, martinez, and all other hispanic representatives of the GOP should be on every fucking hispanic media, speaking in spanish, to get the message out.
The GOP is an incredibly diverse bunch, both in ideas and backgrounds.
It just never gets out there.
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 02:30 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2013 02:30 PM (DM+ui)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 02:30 PM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 28, 2013 02:31 PM (X/+QT)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 02:31 PM (l86i3)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:31 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Icedog at January 28, 2013 02:31 PM (PTS+l)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 02:32 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 28, 2013 02:32 PM (CHnHn)
Love it
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 02:32 PM (HS3dy)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 02:32 PM (jVAw4)
Growth is good. More immigrants lead to a growing population and a growing economy.
That is only true if you have a manufacturing-based growing economy. What you have here is a growth in food stamps economy. Unsustainable.
Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 02:32 PM (NmvvV)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:27 PM (Hz1zc)
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Highly skilled, educated, English speaking immigrants do. 3rd World illiterate peasants don't. Why is it so hard for you to distinguish between the two groups?
Bring in an engineer from India or Russia and that engineer will better America.
Bring in a 4th grade dropout from Mexico and you get ZERO value add to the country. In fact you get a negative since that guy will be on welfare for decades as will his children and grandchildren.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 02:32 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:32 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 28, 2013 06:29 PM (GsoHv)
Last time I drove up north to visit my step-brother, the Central Valley looked like the Dust Bowl had been through. And Victor Davis Hanson is always writing about the theft and destruction that the illegals have wrought on the area and state for that matter.
Posted by: I Be That Chick at January 28, 2013 02:32 PM (rLMKB)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 02:33 PM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:33 PM (piMMO)
471...In 1986 we were told 3/4 million illegals was a national tragedy and that we HAD to grant AMNESTY just this one time just the tip promise.....
we gained 3 million amigos!
I think it ended up being even more than that, sven.
Closer to 6 million, iirc.
All they had to do, was show up and sign up for it...within a certain time limit.
So if they are saying "11 million" this time...it is probably going to end up being at least twice that.
Anouncing an 'Amnesty' program tends to serve as a big draw, for even more border-jumpers.
Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 02:33 PM (BZMZX)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 28, 2013 02:33 PM (nZvGM)
It just never gets out there.
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 06:30 PM (tVTLU)
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Yeah. Too bad.
Posted by: MFM and Public Education at January 28, 2013 02:34 PM (DM+ui)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 02:34 PM (l86i3)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 02:34 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 02:34 PM (HS3dy)
Please, sir, I want some more...of your political class ideas shoved up my bum.
Posted by: Oliver Twist - What He Also Said, Volume One at January 28, 2013 02:34 PM (F6KtL)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:35 PM (piMMO)
Answer the question amigo.
How does a Mexican with no education or skills add value to the USA?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 02:35 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 02:35 PM (l86i3)
One thing Obama convinced me to do -- remove myself from the organ donor list. At this point I hate the median American citizen, so I'll be damned if one of those gutter worms get to use my organs after I'm dead. Fuck em.
Heh. I have cataracts, a couple of broken teeth, extra plumbing on my heart and a liver that can be used as a doorstop. Plus, I smoke.
They'll be hard pressed to find anything of mine that works.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 28, 2013 02:36 PM (+z4pE)
"Looked fine last I was there. Overflowing fields of crops from horizon to horizon."
Hot Damn it's an infinite cornucopian hunk of swellness.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 28, 2013 02:36 PM (Yk2LN)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 02:36 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 02:36 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt VI, surveying the bombed out wastelands of Old New York at January 28, 2013 02:36 PM (QTHTd)
What I am saying is, though, is that the waves and waves of Mexican immigration are not happening.
Zero's main plus is that he has so fucked our economy, migration across the border is actually fucking negative.
We are not likely to see such mass immigration as we did because they just aren't making that many fucking mexicans anymore. And they effectively, or pretty much, wall of their south because it is so much of a nightmare down taht way as well.
so what our elected fucking scumbag pols lack the stomach for, appears to happen or be happening fairly naturally.
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 02:36 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 02:36 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:36 PM (piMMO)
Yep, heard Flake on the radio, this is a done deal. And they won't enforce borders. Oh, now Rubio just popped on. He is talking the same language, all 'recommendations' and 'certifications' for border control.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2013 02:36 PM (p/cQy)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 02:37 PM (Hz1zc)
Would be better to get on with what's next, rather than attempting to drag our feet and wear out our boots in the process. There's no stopping it, only delaying it and increasing the amount of time we have to live under these conditions.
Let them live out their fantasy and see what happens.
I don't enjoy pain but pain is all that will get through to the utopians and make them see the truth.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 28, 2013 02:37 PM (zpqa2)
My vote is for something more than my Representatives and two Senators' pensions thanks.
I was willing to fight for liberty here until I realized there are not enough to watch my back and frankly the GOP is willfully sending the donks reinforcements.
I would not empower the GOP to try to outfreeshit natives vis a vis the DNC why should I import agenda driven American hating aliens to make good the donk demographic hole to be bombarded with what in the end is outfreeshitting the DNC....?
This gun's retired.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 02:37 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 02:37 PM (l86i3)
Posted by: Twisted Jordan - What He Also Said, Volume One at January 28, 2013 02:37 PM (EZl54)
Posted by: Hughius Dickus Hewittus, 455 AD at January 28, 2013 02:37 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 28, 2013 02:37 PM (4c71i)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 02:37 PM (QxSug)
Republicans will 2 choices, go for amnesty and be in a permanent minority or not do it and be called bigots. Of course they will be called bigots either way probably.
And our "best and brightest" are buying right into it. I guess I am wondering why a Conservative in this day and age should even engage in politics. It just pisses us off and there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
Posted by: Ken Royall at January 28, 2013 02:38 PM (x0g8a)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 02:38 PM (Hz1zc)
This could be profoundly epic. What % of those are in Texas? And other states like Arizona? This could seriously fuck the south. say 1/4 are in Texas. So potentially 5 million new voters in Texas? New Democrat voters.
You know, depending on the aftermath Rubio just might be due for a serious ass beating.
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 02:38 PM (HS3dy)
Four years ago (and in some cases, longer) some very alarmist voices started popping up here. I never dreamed they were anything more than tin-foil types. I mean, martial law? Repealing the 22nd? Confiscating guns? Please. That shit just doesn't happen in the States.
Yet here we are, in 2013, actively discussing amongst ourselves whether or not we are actually willing to die on this hill. Not in some romantic metaphorical sense, but in a stone-cold literal one. That's scary.
What's scarier is that those alarmist voices don't sound alarmist anymore. They sound practical. It can be easily argued, through well-supported empirical and tangible facts that Obama's entire Presidency has been leading to this: the disarming and enslaving of the populace.
The media has become an arm of the government in a sense never before seen. Bias we've seen. Advocacy and collusion we haven't - not on this scale.
The takers have overpowered the makers in terms of voting demographics and planted our economy into what is - in my eyes - an unrecoverable spin.
The government has begun making all the moves one would expect if they were to declare themselves above the people. They are positioned to declare us their subjects, and half of the country is screaming in ecstasy. The other half is marveling at how easily it's happened, mourning the Republic, and quietly preparing for what looks more and more likely to be the inevitable showdown.
When I swore my oath, I always knew it was possible for me to die defending my country. I just never imagined it was possible for me to die defending it from my government.
And so to the question: Is this a hill I'm willing to die on? Is this a hill I'm willing to spill my blood in the literal sense of the word? When the metal meets the meat, am I prepared to give my live protecting my country from itself?
Yes.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 28, 2013 02:38 PM (DZqR0)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:38 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 02:38 PM (lD8ju)
What a rare treat.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:21 PM (piMMO)
It's the bizarro world version of the troll Pro Bowl.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 28, 2013 02:39 PM (UK4h4)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 02:39 PM (9Bj8R)
>>> it's a good thing for us and for those people.
I'll tell you this.
I am looking forward to the ease with which I will be able to shop for oranges in the near future.
Posted by: garrett at January 28, 2013 02:39 PM (ILsje)
Uh. I LIKE Sandra Bullock!
B'Gal and I watched Love Potion #9 a couple of nights ago. Cute chick flick.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 28, 2013 02:39 PM (+z4pE)
fuck you you marxist asshole.
Love Locke hate Marx that's my fucking tribe not the goddamned wrapper.
Fuck you seriously I look forward to the boning whether I escape or not.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 02:39 PM (LRFds)
If it was up my ass, I'd know.
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That would be my staffer's dick in your ass...
Posted by: Senator Menendez at January 28, 2013 02:39 PM (F6KtL)
Posted by: I Be That Chick at January 28, 2013 02:39 PM (rLMKB)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 28, 2013 02:39 PM (4c71i)
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 06:36 PM (tVTLU)
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So the GOP has to grant amnesty to illegals because Mexicans are the largest growing population block. But don't worry about doing so, because the waves and waves of immigration is a figment of your imagination.
do you realize how idiotic yous sound?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 02:39 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 02:39 PM (ZPrif)
Wait , let me pull a few of these numbers out of my ass....
Oh yes ! Amnesty is bad ! How handy!
Thanks AOS!
Posted by: Twisted Jordan - What He Also Said, Volume One at January 28, 2013 02:40 PM (EZl54)
All people, including Americans start out with no education or skills. If people come to America to get educated, get skills, get jobs, it's a good thing for us and for those people.
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:37 PM (Hz1zc
Jeeeeeebuz...I already have a sinus headache, and it just went to eleventy.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 28, 2013 02:40 PM (UOM48)
All people, including Americans start out with no education or skills. If people come to America to get educated, get skills, get jobs, it's a good thing for us and for those people.
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:37 PM (Hz1zc)
Thought question for Jordan: If open borders is such a clear win economically why has *no* modern state adopted it?
Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 02:40 PM (pAlYe)
They'll be hard pressed to find anything of mine that works.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 28, 2013 06:36 PM (+z4pE)
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Yeah. What's the purpose of dying with perfectly pink lungs?
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2013 02:40 PM (DM+ui)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:38 PM (Hz1zc)
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That is not an answer to my question.
Try again. How does a Mexican with no skills and no education add value to the USA?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 02:40 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 02:40 PM (NmvvV)
Last time I looked McDs wasn't having a hard time finding people. What about all the farmers benefiting from super cheap labor that will now have to pay minimum wage and employment taxes?
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 02:40 PM (HS3dy)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 02:41 PM (l86i3)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 02:41 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 28, 2013 02:41 PM (Gk3SS)
That is true, so very true. The GOP of the '80s realized they were the only force containing batshit crazy retards so they learned to take us for granted...when finally the discovered they couldn't they embraced their inner donks and now the boning begins full speed.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 02:41 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 28, 2013 02:41 PM (CHnHn)
All people, including Americans start out with no education or skills. If people come to America to get educated, get skills, get jobs, it's a good thing for us and for those people.
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:37 PM (Hz1zc)
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Yes right you are because that education and training is free!!!
Are you really this naive?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 02:41 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 02:41 PM (piMMO)
Jordons an idiot. People don't immigrate for those past reasons anymore, they immigrate to the US to take advantage of social benefits. If it was the other things, the would immigrate legally.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2013 02:42 PM (p/cQy)
567 "So if they are saying "11 million" this time...it is probably going to end up being at least twice that."
This could be profoundly epic. What % of those are in Texas? And other states like Arizona? This could seriously fuck the south. say 1/4 are in Texas. So potentially 5 million new voters in Texas? New Democrat voters.
You know, depending on the aftermath Rubio just might be due for a serious ass beating.
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Uh oh.
They're starting to figure this out.
Quick! We gotta ram this thing through, fast!
Posted by: The DNC at January 28, 2013 02:42 PM (BZMZX)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 28, 2013 02:42 PM (4c71i)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 02:43 PM (lD8ju)
Guilty as charged.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 28, 2013 02:43 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 02:44 PM (QxSug)
wtf?
who the fuck is this Jordan?
hey shitbag, I am 1/2 Mexican (my mom's from mexico city)
all of us kids have masters except for my youngest sister who holds her phd from MIT
so explain this "uneducated Mexican" thing for me
Posted by: navycopjoe at January 28, 2013 02:44 PM (IcRnr)
Posted by: Walter Duranty at January 28, 2013 02:44 PM (F6KtL)
Posted by: I Be That Chick at January 28, 2013 06:39 PM (rLMKB)
Tammy Bruce (whose online broadcasts I've been unable to link to for the last 2 weeks; maybe she's locking out non-subscribers) has hated Rubio since Day 1; as she did fat fuck Christie when lots of my fellow morons were fellating him almost as much as Coulter still does.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 28, 2013 02:44 PM (UK4h4)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 02:44 PM (l86i3)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 02:45 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 02:45 PM (9Bj8R)
Zero's main plus is that he has so fucked our economy, migration across the border is actually fucking negative.
We are not likely to see such mass immigration as we did because they just aren't making that many fucking mexicans anymore. And they effectively, or pretty much, wall of their south because it is so much of a nightmare down taht way as well.
so what our elected fucking scumbag pols lack the stomach for, appears to happen or be happening fairly naturally.
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 06:36 PM (tVTLU)
Um, you need to actually come down here to the border. The Tucson sector has been just as active as it has ever been. Its just the USBP hasn't been trying real hard to catch them. If you don't catch them, you can't report large numbers caught, and your politician bosses get to go on TV and pat themselves on the back for being such a great deterent.
They are still coming, sports fans. And the cartels are the ones bringing them across.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at January 28, 2013 02:46 PM (ial2b)
"The Five" reported that in a recent poll, only 13% of Americans wanted illegals deported....and 65% favored amnesty. Anyone have any info on this poll? Was it conducted in Tijuana?
Posted by: Icedog at January 28, 2013 06:26 PM (PTS+l)
My guess is that it was a poll of the Senate.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 28, 2013 02:47 PM (7xeJQ)
Washington Nearsider:
Defending the Second Amendment is that hill. In my opinion. There is no debate. There simply is not one simple fact on the side of more gun control laws.
On the other side is the fundamental right of a free citizen's existence.
The AWB 2.0 is just another affront to our God given rights. I was too young in 1994 to understand.
I sure as fuck understand now. And I will not sit idly by.
Mr. Moo Moo:
yes, yes, yes. I agree. All I am saying is that, just as with the massive irish/german immigration back in the day, the waves of the mexican immigration seem to be stemming a bit. and NO ONE seems to appreciate that the fucking mexican government actually does a good job in shutting off the rest of central and south america from swarming the border. which is a very good benefit to us.
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 02:47 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 02:47 PM (Hz1zc)
612 we have illegals from mexico here in Hawaii
forget the rio grande..
THEY'RE SWIMMING ACROSS THE PACIFIC!!!
Posted by: navycopjoe at January 28, 2013 02:48 PM (IcRnr)
wtf?
who the fuck is this Jordan?
hey shitbag, I am 1/2 Mexican (my mom's from mexico city)
all of us kids have masters except for my youngest sister who holds her phd from MIT
so explain this "uneducated Mexican" thing for me
Posted by: navycopjoe at January 28, 2013 06:44 PM (IcRnr)
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STFU. You're the exception. You know very well the overwhelming majority of illegals can barely write their names. If they had a PhD from MIT they wouldn't be crossing the Rio Grande to work at Wendy's.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 02:48 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 02:48 PM (l86i3)
all of us kids have masters except for my youngest sister who holds her phd from MIT"
I think we should have a rule that anybody with a degree of any kind moves to the head of the immigration line. In fact, let's just change the rule so that it's a requirement period.
I don't have a problem with a guest worker problem at all... what ever happened to that idea? Make it legal, track them, but they don't get to vote, and they don't get benefits.
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 02:49 PM (HS3dy)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 02:49 PM (l86i3)
Posted by: Danny at January 28, 2013 02:49 PM (Tygvi)
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 06:47 PM (tVTLU)
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The difference was the Irish/Germans that came here didn't demand the country turn into Ireland or Germany.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 02:49 PM (HDgX3)
621 its there....its just that the feds don't want to enforce the existing laws cause its easy votes
617 ummm, my dick, your mouth....some assembly required
Posted by: navycopjoe at January 28, 2013 02:51 PM (IcRnr)
They are double people mi amigo....
do I get to vote in Mexico or go down and try to turn the little shithole around with my vote or send loot back to America?
I'd make that argument but don't look now Billy Ayers is national schoolmaster...
nope this gun's retired try to make a go of something or not the GOP took my anxiety on their caving on guns being possible and just told me win or lose the whole bill of rights will have Charles Schumer "modifying it" within 8-12 years.
Nope we're fucked time to decide how far I am willing to go solo and with a group.
I am not gonna be a McVeigh or some silly ass "Sovereign American" non tax paying asshole but it has been made VERY PLAIN to me that that oath those fucking clowns take and that the military takes are to quote the "greateest being to ever walk the Earth including Jesus Chrost" says "words just words."
Nope the GOP is blowing the brains out of about 250 years of rumiantions on the natural rights of man.
I have endured the calumny of "racist" because I love Locke and Adam Smith and my fucking politicians never defended me.
Fuck them.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 02:51 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:47 PM (Hz1zc)
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Hahahahahah.....phew....cough.....HAHAHAHAHA!!!
You're such a....a....what's the word?.....tool.
Posted by: Tami[/i] at January 28, 2013 02:51 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:30 PM (Hz1zc)
Bald-faced lie.
Goodbye.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 28, 2013 02:52 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:47 PM (Hz1zc)
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Really?
http://tinyurl.com/6swuur8
" Census Bureau data reveals that most U.S. families headed by illegal immigrants use taxpayer-funded welfare programs on behalf of their American-born anchor babies.Even before the recession, immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, according to the extensive census data collected and analyzed by a nonpartisanWashington D.C. group dedicated to researching legal and illegal immigration in the U.S. The results, published this month in a lengthy report, are hardly surprising.Basically, the majority of households across the country benefitting from publicly-funded welfare programs are headed by immigrants, both legal and illegal. States where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62%), Texas, California and New York with 61% each and Pennsylvania(59%)"
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 02:53 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 02:53 PM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 02:54 PM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 28, 2013 02:55 PM (4c71i)
Yup, stupid party.
If you're going to win over Spanish speaking voters, it's going to take time and be done in a much different manner.
If the GOP needs this so badly now when net immigration is near zero, why are the Dems pushing so hard for it right after their win?
Posted by: ontherocks at January 28, 2013 02:55 PM (aZ6ew)
You really are an idiot living in your own world. Come to West Texas pal. Hospitals are full of people that can't pay. Schools are full of kids who are illegal themselves or whos parents are illegal. One town I'm familiar with has had to layoff 200 teachers because they simply don't have the money to serve these students. The hospital in town runs constantly in the red and only survives by jacking prices up on everybody else. Law enforcement is unable to keep up with increased activity in town from drug cartels/gangs. They even reach out to get help from Parks and Wildlife, game wardens helping to track bad guys down. People in town who were previously employed, not anymore, sorry, immigrants have your job now. Unemployment is high. Things only recently started improving because of the fracking.
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 02:55 PM (HS3dy)
Yeah well I'd say try to keep the place worth missing but I know it's beyond you fuckhead....
I hope you get everything you've undermined prosperity in this nation to achieve Whoredan....now if suddenly after you've nationalized the energy sector and forced everyone to join a union.....
some people took a page out of Billy Ayers book and blew up shit "mostly without people dying" you'll have to forgive me being all out of "gives a fuck"
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 02:57 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:54 PM (Hz1zc)
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Your reading skills aren't so good. The parents get the money as well as the US born kids. When the calculation is done for how much money is given, it's based on household size. The household includes the illegal parents.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 02:58 PM (HDgX3)
If we could exert ANY influence on civis and contain the weaponized race bullshit I'd be less gloomy...
we can't the media will not let that fight be honestly reported.
Soros unlike James Bond Villains is real and Mitt Romney is no James Bond....
we lost.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 02:58 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Capt. Obvious at January 28, 2013 02:59 PM (oyQVv)
wiat stop the press Mr. Moo moo my wife just explained that the GOP has to cave because pointing out economic realities with anchor babies hurts the GOP....
so for you it was an EBR for me it is the cute little paychecks...
lo siento mi Amigo
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 03:00 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 03:00 PM (Hz1zc)
Step 3 is the Republican leadership gets re-elected, years before the extent of the swindle/consequences are evident.
What? You thought Step 3 had to be about the success of America? Public choice theory FTW.
The National GOP is not your friend.
Posted by: MlR at January 28, 2013 03:00 PM (Axing)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 03:01 PM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: Jordan
Top Ag. producing CA counties
And
Unemployment Dec 2012 (Prelim)
Fresno = 14.9%
Tulare = 15.7%
Kern = 13.5%
Merced = 17.2%
Monterey 13.1%
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 28, 2013 03:01 PM (xz0nG)
Why would they do that?
They have our daughters for local talent....
it's coming.
I would support totally open borders with no welfare state, I can support weaponized illegals being given green cards and no vote.
I will never support this.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 03:02 PM (LRFds)
rofl, why are you on this site? it's one thing for libertarians like myself to give the GOP hold outs a hard time, but you're just a communist. Shouldn't you have your lips around a big dick by this time of the day?
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 03:02 PM (HS3dy)
yeah well like they did not learn in 2006-2008...
revenge may be best served cold but it gets whipped up in a bowl quick.
Plan B and batshit donkey it is.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 03:03 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Changed at January 28, 2013 03:03 PM (Ka7XG)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 03:05 PM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 03:06 PM (HS3dy)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 06:49 PM (HDgX3)
You've obviously never been to a real Irish bar.
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 28, 2013 03:06 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: J the Saint at January 28, 2013 03:07 PM (2Ag2h)
Irish and Germans are good people. Mexicans are evil and must be exterminated. I say Nuke Mexico and solve the problem once and for all!
Posted by: Changed at January 28, 2013 03:07 PM (Ka7XG)
648643 Mir,
yeah well like they did not learn in 2006-2008...
revenge may be best served cold but it gets whipped up in a bowl quick.
Plan B and batshit donkey it is.
----
I hope so, but those same people are still there pushing the same things.
They didn't suffer any personal consequences, they got relected anyway, and in one case nominated as Republican Presidential nominee (possibly a second to come).
Nothing will change until you literally start purging the people who are pushing it in primaries.
Posted by: MlR at January 28, 2013 03:07 PM (Axing)
You support the evil Mexican rats. You are a traitor to the White race! Mexicans must be exterminated so America remains pure!
Posted by: Changed at January 28, 2013 03:08 PM (Ka7XG)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 03:09 PM (Hz1zc)
You are not advocating open borders. Amnesty is not open borders. Amnesty is "here's the key's to my car, and here's my daughter while you're at it." I'm all for open borders when it comes to WORK. Sure, come work. Here is your work permit, have fun. Sorry, you can't vote, and you can't put your kids in our school, unless you pay a fee. You must buy personal health insurance for duration of your stay. And if you get caught doing anything illegal, you are gone and so is your whole family.
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 03:09 PM (HS3dy)
Posted by: WVinMN at January 28, 2013 03:10 PM (4Pleu)
Example: so if printing money without limit is the key to national prosperity, why isn't Zimbabwe a paradise on Earth?
So if mass immigration of unskilled Hispanics is a boon to the economy, why is California an economic wreck? It should be a powerhouse with all of these illegals.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2013 03:10 PM (gqT4g)
Cut out the tongues of any person speaking Spanish. We should eliminate the Hispanic culture. Nuke Latin America and Spain! Let us free humanity of the evil Spanish menace!
Posted by: Changed at January 28, 2013 03:12 PM (Ka7XG)
The only good thing that will come out of this is it is causing even more people to take a second look at who Rubio really is.
Look closely, he's not the Conservative you think he is. Not on most other issues anymore than on this one.
Posted by: MlR at January 28, 2013 03:12 PM (Axing)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 28, 2013 03:13 PM (4c71i)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 03:13 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: ace at January 28, 2013 03:14 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: J the Saint at January 28, 2013 03:18 PM (2Ag2h)
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 03:19 PM (jVAw4)
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 03:21 PM (HS3dy)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 03:22 PM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 03:25 PM (HS3dy)
Yes unfortunately IngSoc will be controlling what culture "English" is creating.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 03:25 PM (LRFds)
Okay so if we ever have to bail it out...it will be because of its smashing success right Whoredan?
Viva La Raza California y Mexicana.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 03:26 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 03:27 PM (HS3dy)
Posted by: JHW at January 28, 2013 03:32 PM (B38OD)
Rubio & Flake are too young to remember what happened under Reagan.
Rubio would likely assure border control works if he is elected President. Otherwise, I think we are screwed. Again.
Posted by: carolina at January 28, 2013 03:33 PM (QVLHl)
Posted by: carolina at January 28, 2013 03:40 PM (QVLHl)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 03:40 PM (Hz1zc)
As I recall, you started by claiming that Jews control the media in order to propagate "a certain world view" and ended many posts later by stating that the US has bases throughout the Arab world in order to further the interests of Israel. CharlieBrown's comment is amply justified.
Posted by: DKCZ at January 28, 2013 03:48 PM (9/bcB)
Posted by: Black Redneck at January 28, 2013 03:49 PM (EERaS)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 07:22 PM (Hz1zc)
California is such an "economic success" that, over the period 2000-2010, 1.5 million more people moved from California to other states than moved from other states to California. It's becoming unlivable for the middle class.
Posted by: DKCZ at January 28, 2013 03:56 PM (9/bcB)
Posted by: CalyxtheCommoner at January 28, 2013 04:02 PM (Cgcqz)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 04:08 PM (Hz1zc)
So yes, lets of course act like retards and bigots at the very mention of immigration reform. That's worked so well for Republicans after all.
Trying to negotiate the right bill is one thing. Flaming any discussion is contra-intellectual and self-destructive.
Posted by: Marcus at January 28, 2013 04:15 PM (Jsi8E)
When Democrats are in power = jails full of gun owners
Posted by: Trevor (@tjexcite) at January 28, 2013 04:16 PM (Ea64Y)
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 04:19 PM (HS3dy)
OK children. I was there when Reagan got screwed on "sure we'll protect the border later...much" and it never got done.
Rubio knows it as does the entire Republican Party. Thanks legions of Captain Obvious'.
Now we see where the negotiation takes us. Ya know, as opposed to the we should deport everyone, take no prisoners, I'm from Mars approach.
Posted by: Marcus at January 28, 2013 04:19 PM (Jsi8E)
ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAW half as well as you enforce the current tax code.
(See what I did there?)
Instead of TSA waiting in ambush at our airports, they should get new ICE shirts and vans to deliver them to EVERY REST STOP this side of ANY BORDER.
Within three days we be blessed with fewer idiot groping reports, high school kid unemployment below 4%, and almost no day workers wandering around downtown San Antonio.
WOO HOO!
Posted by: Blacksmith8 at January 28, 2013 04:21 PM (Yzu6e)
Posted by: H. at January 28, 2013 04:23 PM (D5Jpp)
Posted by: egd at January 28, 2013 04:28 PM (pgpHz)
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 08:19 PM (HS3dy)
Your first comment in that thread:
"Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jews and the Media, isn't that one of those conspiracy facts? ...
I don't see it as a conspiracy to puppet master the
world, it just is what it is. They are Jewish, they have a certain
world view, and their media is biased in that direction.
Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 12:52 PM (HS3dy)"
Your last post in that thread:
"This is such horse shit. And you claim to be an expert on this
subject? I can't even count the number of bases in the Middle East I've
been on. All of that is by and large for Israel.
Our government has officially stated that 9/11 was a result of blowback from our relationship with Israel. ...
Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 03:11 PM (HS3dy)"
Why are you so obsessed with Jews and Israel?
Posted by: DKCZ at January 28, 2013 04:42 PM (9/bcB)
Posted by: H. at January 28, 2013 04:45 PM (D5Jpp)
Posted by: wattyler1381 at January 28, 2013 04:52 PM (F2Vrz)
That asinine Hugh Hewitt was talking on the radio about this - he's all pumped up. He thinks we should also give school vouchers to the illegal kids 'cause they're going to need to go to good schools too!
Posted by: Lily at January 28, 2013 05:08 PM (igSv+)
Posted by: Chris at January 28, 2013 05:26 PM (KDAAY)
I just submittted a petition to get an income tax exemption for 240 rounds a year to those who hold a concealed carry permit at:
Need 150 signstures to get it released to the general public.
Posted by: p mike at January 28, 2013 06:24 PM (fpuao)
Posted by: Lopan at January 28, 2013 07:13 PM (qLbdy)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 10:40 PM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 10:44 PM (Hz1zc)
That's 'cause the douchebags in charge of the Republican Party think that giving mojados a path to citizenship is the way to buy the Latino vote.
It wasn't before, and it isn't now.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 28, 2013 11:00 PM (8J3jn)
Inertia.
Silicon Valley long ago established itself as the place to be for high-tech, and even though this place is clearly not what it once was, a lot of people still buy into it. Then when those boneheads finally get here, they get to experience the $3.50/gal gas, the high rents, the high home prices, the high utility prices, high taxation, and the pervasive government nannying.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 28, 2013 11:12 PM (8J3jn)
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 11:16 PM (Hz1zc)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2013 04:54 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: gracepmc at January 29, 2013 07:49 AM (rznx3)
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So after we extend citizenship and voting rights to 11 million Government Clients, what's Step 2 of our master plan?
Not sure ace, but step 3 is "profit"
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 12:52 PM (t06LC)