1 God help us. 

2 the president is a scoamf

3

Where have you gone, Joe Dimaggio? 

4 Let. It. Burn.

5 GOP Leadership.....There's that oxymoron again. 

6 We're in the end of days.  More government is not the answer, but people will not allow their own precious government cheese to be cut by so much as the smallest slice.  When the whole thing collapses and there is no money, we'll definitely see fires.

7 Sure, this sandwich is made of shit, but maybe it will taste better if we add some wasabi mustard.

8 So.....the movie sucked?

9 That's very interesting and important. Not as important as the constant drip-drip-drip of "gay marriage is inevitable and everyone else in the GOP supports it so why don't you get in board", but still a solid morning blog.

10 Too much 'behind closed doors' shit happening in congress these days.  We need to throw back the curtains and get some light on these fucking cockroaches on the Hill.

11 Standing ovation and a thrown chair for emphasis....

eleventy D chess ain't worked once....

hell in the one case i argued it almost worked it didn't work.

Boner is still being blamed for barry's sequester

12 Gabe has some, shall we be charitable, interesting math.

Fix and improve a bill that 52%+ of the population hates and have always hated = more votes!

Cater to 10% (max) of the population through gay marriage, hope that gets you 50% of their vote but is nevertheless guaranteed lose over 1/3 of our base = Even MOAR votes!!

Gee, but won't the glowing stories the MSM write about the irrelevant and utterly impotent "New Republican" Party be swell?

13 3 fourth virginia he's at Holy Cross cemetery in Colma

14 Some days, I'm all about picking political fights, and proving liberals wrong with empirical data, trends and causal relationships.

Today, I'm all about fuck it. 

Anyone else have political bi-polar disorder?

15 Went  to  a  great  party  this  weekend! 

16 Anyone else have political bi-polar disorder?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 29, 2013 10:27 AM (fwARV)

*raises hand*

*puts it down*

*raises it again*

17 We have to let ObamaCare crash & burn before we know what's in it.

18 Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 29, 2013 10:28 AM (da5Wo)

Heh.

19 Cater to 10% (max) of the population through gay marriage, hope that gets you 50% of their vote but is nevertheless guaranteed lose over 1/3 of our base = Even MOAR votes!! Check the early morning thread for a story about how big-money GOP donors are pushing gay marriage. The GOP will have to decide if they want the money, or that 1/3 of their base.

20

#13  What the......the hitting streak is over?  Say it ain't so, Joe, say it ain't so. 

Wrong Joe?  So what....it fits. 

21 DOOM posts are supposed to have a kitteh.

22 Uh, yeah.  Let.it.Burn.
My premium has already doubled, yet the ostriches, er, aka liberals still think that shit doesn't stink. Oy.

23 316  Me?  I'm just a paranoid schizophrenic. 

24 I heard Paul Ryan speak about ObamaCare last week, and he used that nauseating phrase, "repeal and replace," to describe his efforts.

Fuck you Paul Ryan.

Unrestricted free markets in health care is the only way to fix the problem.

25 The GOP equivalent of 'hold my beer and watch this'.

26 Great issues of our time:  homosexual marriage.  Game, set, match. 

27 I can't seem to shake the notion that I'll never vote again.

28 If they don't kill it, it will kill us. Needs to be an election litmus test in 2014. Well, I got boxes to unpack. Every time I unpack one, two replace it. Later rons.

29 Here's why I reject the notion that the House leadership is playing some sort of deep game to destroy ObamaCare game...if they were serious about hamstringing the Obama because they're retarded.

30

>>My premium has already doubled

 

Lucky bastard.  I am paying almost 4 times what I was.

31 24 CBD,

No no look at how well the Tories did in maintaining British power after they decided to be "more efficient labour"

That is where gabe wants the GOP "more efficient democrats"

32 Unrestricted free markets in health care is the only way to fix the problem.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 10:31 AM (/WLC3)

Caps isn't a strong enough indicator for how loudly I'm screaming "THIS"

33 It is something, that we let these people whose policy prescriptions will completely and perfectly aid the Democrats and the left, call themselves "conservative."

I have another word for people who want to fix ObamaCare, favor gun control, favor amnesty, favor gay marriage--and it ain't conservative or Republican.

But, by all means, let us be the Big Tent.

We're doing so well holding such a fine coalition together we are all but undone.

34 I like wasabi.

(Auto correct wants to turn 'wasabi' into 'wassail'... is that the first of the GOP's miraculous signs?)

35

# 24  Paul Ryan:  Gee, Wally, what the fuck happened?  We really got our asses kicked, didn't we?  Wait til Dad finds out. 

36 I believe this is covered under the Deck Chair Re-Arrangement Act of 1912.

37

Well stated, Drew.  And now I eagerly await Gabe's snarky response, where he goes off on a tangent that has little,  if anything  to do with the overall points. 

38 I have to go before a death panel today.  It ain't looking food. 

39 The GOP has no real leverage now You could have stopped there. Whenever these discussions start, I keep flashing back to the enormous circular firing squads we had in 2011 over the raising of the debt ceiling and all of those who stated that was when the future was lost. It is looking more and more that this is the case. It's interesting, I was just reading this article - http://wapo.st/17rIZl0 - that claims that the era of entitlements is over. It's a good little piece though I think it ignores a major source of public frustration, namely that playing by the rules is no longer viewed as providing the framework for success but is now viewed as a sucker's game. It's of a piece with Insty's theory of the coming middle class anarchy. I see no way out and through that doesn't involve significant pain. Stupid interesting times.

40 We can fix Obamacare if we add 20 or 30 million family-values Mexicans to the electorate. And I'm NOT a cocksucker.

41 37 BurtTC,

Nah we'll get the truncated, "if you don't back helping the democrats YOU are the real problem."

Gabe's a brilliant tap dancer

42 Caps isn't a strong enough indicator for how loudly I'm screaming "THIS"

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 29, 2013 10:32 AM (da5Wo)

And the proof is staring us in the face (literally).

Those fake tits you like so much? Elective surgery. it has gotten better and cheaper precisely because the market has been allowed to control the price and availability.

If there were a free market in medical care, I would open an MRI center, open 24 hours/day, and price the scans based on time of day. You want a $100 MRI? great! See you at 3:00am.

43 If there were a free market in medical care, I would open an MRI center, open 24 hours/day, and price the scans based on time of day. You want a $100 MRI? great! See you at 3:00am.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 10:36 AM (/WLC3)

And you'd make a fucking fortune.

44 And I'm NOT a cocksucker. Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 29, 2013 10:35 AM (JQuNB) What? It's hard to understand you with that dick in your mouth.

45 39 AlexTheChick,

Yup I fought my way out of welfare...now I am running out of arguments against welfare fraud...

it's not like the rich and congress aren't as immoral as sin....why not live up to messina's 'for all" shit?

46 You want a $100 MRI? great! See you at 3:00am. Why can't I get routine lab work done at Walmart? Raysis, that's why.

47 And I'm NOT a cocksucker. Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 29, 2013 10:35 AM 

You are technically correct, Sir.

You are a sucker of cock.

48 So actually providing health care to the 45 million uninsured people in the US is not even worth mentioning, all consideration is reserved for political maneuver, and to hell with the sick people. Let them burn too! It is no mystery why Republicans keep losing elections if this level of political discourse prevails. Out on the island with the rest of the left-over Japanese hold-outs you guys can pat each other on the back and keep telling each how right you are. And the fact that every other industrialized nation makes some form on universal health care work must be ignored, because there is no possibility that ObamaCare can work (stick your heads farther into the sand and ignore Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, etc., because functioning government health care cannot work in the real world). Meanwhile, "socialist" Canada just passed the US in per capita net worth, and the conservative hold-outs explain to each other why government involvement "always" destroys economies. Head in the sand is easier than facing facts, and cognitive dissonance makes ideologues heads hurt, so keep on ignoring reality, and keep on losing.

49 Fuck those fucking fuckers.

50 Anyone else have political bi-polar disorder? Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 29, 2013 10:27 AM (fwARV) No, I solve that by being a hateful bitch all the time. It's waaaay more efficient. If there were a free market in medical care, I would open an MRI center, open 24 hours/day, and price the scans based on time of day. You want a $100 MRI? great! See you at 3:00am. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 10:36 AM (/WLC3) Hmmmm, but wouldn't you have to pay a shift differential to get people to work the overnights, thus raising staffing costs? Though that might be offset by the off hours electrical usage. To the spreadsheets! *bounds off*

51 Nah we'll get the truncated, "if you don't back helping the democrats YOU are the real problem." Then I am the real problem.

52 CBD, WN...it's maddening. I've discussed my med issues and how it totally fucks me for health insurance. I'd love to be able to actually price moving my wife and kids onto their own plan and having me be separate. But I can't do that. All I get now is laughter. And I mean that literally. People have actually laughed at me on the telephone when I start discussing them covering me. Drives me nuts.

53

41 -

 

He's the Mohammed Ali of political argument.  Just when you expect him to tap thisaway, he taps thataway. 

 

And here I am, Joe Frazier, just wanting to HIT somebody!!

54 Oh look. Troll.

55 48 Tommy Vee,

Hey champ guess what Ba-Warn-Ko did not provide insurance for those 45 million either,....


he added a tax penalty.

56 And you'd make a fucking fortune.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 29, 2013 10:37 AM (fwARV)

Yup.

The machines are about $1,000,000. Carrying costs on a loan would be about $15,000/month.

30 scans/day at an average cost of $250 would yield about $225,000/month.

57 To the spreadsheets! *bounds off* Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 10:39 AM (VtjlW)

Bounding?   Bounding??  I paid for gamboling, and I want gamboling.

I DO have the Platinum Membership, serious you guys.

58 namely that playing by the rules is no longer viewed as providing the framework for success but is now viewed as a sucker's game.

Boy, do I ever regret the shit out of playing by the rules.

59 TommyVee,

i have read several stories of those other countries wealthier citizens coming Here for health care.

so yeah it works, when much innovation comes from here. or  they do not have to pay for all the lab work that goes into a new med,  they get it without the expensive issues.

60 Meanwhile, "socialist" Canada just passed the US in per capita net worth, and the conservative hold-outs explain to each other why government involvement "always" destroys economies. Head in the sand is easier than facing facts, and cognitive dissonance makes ideologues heads hurt, so keep on ignoring reality, and keep on losing. Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 10:39 AM (IzY0K) Good post choad guzzler. Now point to a place it works where 50 percent of the pop are net consumers of government services. Thank you. I'll sit down and wait for your non answer.

61 oh  and boobs!

62 TommyPee, die in a fire shitbird.

63

Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 10:39 AM (IzY0K)

 

If you arre here, who is working the glory hole up at the Truck Stop?

64 ugh i knew it was going to be a day.



backlater.

65

"unrestricted free market" in healthcare means stepping over doe-eyed little girls dying needlessly on the steps of hospitals.

 

There is Obamacare on the one hand and on the other, conservative hand there is...  nothing.

 

Obamacare is the worst possible health system ever conceived, but we have nothing to counter it with except slogans and knee-jerk extremism.

 

So, in the final analysis, we lose.  Primarily because we simply can't get beyond the fucking stupid.

66 Boy, do I ever regret the shit out of playing by the rules.

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at April 29, 2013 10:41 AM (/kI1Q)

Yup. 

67 oh and boobs!

Posted by: willow at April 29, 2013 10:42 AM (nqBYe)

Where?!

68 Hmmmm, but wouldn't you have to pay a shift differential to get people to work the overnights,

Real unemployment's still around 15%. 

Oh, wait, Precious' mama can't work for CBD, she'd lose her "benefits"[sic].

69 I want to puke because so many people are famous for merely being famous. For example, those disgusting Kardashians.

70 Bounding? Bounding?? I paid for gamboling, and I want gamboling. I DO have the Platinum Membership, serious you guys. Bounding baby lambs? I can live with it.

71 jwest is the authority on stupid. We should listen.

72 Be very wary of Republicans

73 Awesome. A troll and jwest, bringing teh stupid. Somebody stomp this thread. Pretty please.

74 Meanwhile, "socialist" Canada just passed the US in per capita net worth, and the conservative hold-outs explain to each other why government involvement "always" destroys economies. Head in the sand is easier than facing facts, and cognitive dissonance makes ideologues heads hurt, so keep on ignoring reality, and keep on losing. 

Oh, you left out the part where they dramatically reduced government spending.

Argument.  Blown.

Head in the sand, indeed.

lib·er·al:  adjective \li-b(ə-)rəl\ - A person incapable of understanding economics.

75

They way I've decided to handle the health insurance debacle and Obamacare  is I've decided I will not get sick or get in any accidents.

 

Its  almost  as good as my lottery tickets retirement plans.

 

I don't know why no one else thinks of these easy solutions.     

76 DrewM: "Here's why I reject the notion that the House leadership is playing some sort of deep game to destroy ObamaCare game..." Well, they already helped keep ObamaCare afloat, first and foremost by helping Dems repeal the CLASS portion of ObamaCare to cover nursing home costs before too many people signed up for it. http://blog.heritage.org/2013/03/21/obamacare-at-three-years-one-entitlement-repealed-two-to-go/ Mar 21, 2013 – Formally repealed in January's fiscal cliff deal, CLASS was Obamacare's attempt at creating a new long-term care entitlement The GOP also helped repeal the original 1099 reporting requirements.

77 Wshington Nearsider on Oldsailor's Neighbor!

and  ette's and likely your wife.

Isn't the world nice to men?

78 71 jwest is the authority on stupid. We should listen.  

Posted by: maddogg at April 29, 2013 10:45 AM (OlN4e)

 

You should put that in a slogan.  We need more slogans.

79 lib·er·al: adjective \li-b(ə-)rəl\ - A person incapable of understanding economics how anything works in reality.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 10:45 AM (sbV1u)

My preference. YMMV

80 So, in the final analysis, we lose. Primarily because we simply can't get beyond the fucking stupid.

Well, you're the expert on stupid judging by your posts.  So we should listen to you.

81 I want to puke because so many people are famous for merely being famous. For example, those disgusting Kardashians. What did they really ever do?

82

As   government (specifically, TFG's government)  becomes more and more powerful, expensive    and invasive, we're on the verge of forgetting that we have an alternative  to   All   Government Solutions All The Time: the free market.

 

What we should be hearing from the GOP on this is   repeal and nothing but repeal.  Then, we should be hearing how government intrusion into the HC market has distorted prices, causing them to increase. Then we should be hearing ideas about freeing up the market  by  removing  interstate   barriers to  insurance   companies and massive fraud   reduction and tort reform.

 

And finally, someone should be asking why, when it's money spent on your health, all of a sudden Washington seems to be  concerned about the amount      they spend, when they  normally     throw  it around  like drunken sailors  on shore leave at all other times (my apologies to drunken sailors on shore leave).

83 Primarily because we simply can't get beyond the fucking stupid.

Posted by: jwest at April 29, 2013 10:44 AM (u2a4R)

No, fool; "unrestricted free markets" is not "nothing."

With a free market comes charitable contributions of medical care that in the past has been of excellent quality. Only now that the government is involved to ERs reject patients because of ability to pay.

Telling me I am stupid is not a cogent argument. Refute my point, and I will take you seriously.

Otherwise? Fuck you.

84 Bounding? Bounding?? I paid for gamboling, and I want gamboling. I DO have the Platinum Membership, serious you guys. Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 10:41 AM (sbV1u) *arches brow* I'm so very very very sorry I must be misapprehending your position, do you believe that you are entitled to have me bound and gambol and interpretative dance of rage at your discretion? Really? I shall give you a moment to contemplate if you wish to continue with that position. Also *waves paw* All that shit I said the other day about charitable organizations and the locus of responsibility for providing for payment of healthcare? Assume I said it again. It's efficiency, not laziness. Efficiency, that's what it is.

85 Everything about them is about making money. They have photographers and film crews following them every where and then it is sold. And they have gotten rich doing it. They are now in Greece being filmed on a yacht. It's all wrote off and the footage will be sold. When her kid is born, photos will be sold. Her phony wedding was solely to make money. Now that she is divorced, she can get married for the third time and sell that. Why do people eat this shit up?

86 There's no problem paying for O'care. Tommy Vee says so. Stop with the H8, wingnuts!

87 ...or, how I stopped worrying and learned to live with the DOOM

88
I am such a broken record anymore as congress (and Christie) continue to give endless examples that they are on the same team and its not yours.

So I will change up and say the dems are evil and the repubs are pussies.

89

I have a lot of Canadian clients. 

They ALL pay out of pocket for healthcare...most when they are here in the states.

90

Meanwhile, "socialist" Canada just passed the US in per capita net worth, and the conservative hold-outs explain to each other why government involvement "always" destroys economies. Head in the sand is easier than facing facts, and cognitive dissonance makes ideologues heads hurt, so keep on ignoring reality, and keep on losing.
Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 10:39 AM (IzY0K)

Comparing  a ten speed bike to a Ferrari.   I can  repair  a ten  speed bike with my eyes close.   A  Ferrari, not so much. 

 

 

91 Telling me I am stupid is not a cogent argument. Refute my point, and I will take you seriously. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 10:47 AM (/WLC3)

He is not capable of doing so.

Think sandbox arguments in kindergarten and you'll have a good model for understanding his "logic"

92 and ette's and likely your wife.

Isn't the world nice to men?

Posted by: willow at April 29, 2013 10:46 AM (nqBYe)

If by 'nice' you mean 'made it blazingly obvious whenever we're in any state of turned-on-ness and put the most sensitive parts of our body on the outside, and exposed to everything,' then yes.

Also, according to about half the population, we're responsible for evey wrong that has ever been committed.

93 But, you're right about one thing, Ms. Willow:

BOOBEHS!!

94 jwest, do you think Palin agrees with a single fucking thing you posted?

95 Also *waves paw* All that shit I said the other day about charitable organizations and the locus of responsibility for providing for payment of healthcare? Assume I said it again. It's efficiency, not laziness. Efficiency, that's what it is.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 10:47 AM (VtjlW)

They very modicum of effeciency ma'am.

Btw, I plan on responding to just about all of your posts and Bannion's that I see. Hoping to piss off the troll from Sat night.

96 Obamacare is the worst possible health system ever conceived, but we have nothing to counter it with except slogans and knee-jerk extremism. So, in the final analysis, we lose. Primarily because we simply can't get beyond the fucking stupid. Posted by: jwest at April 29, 2013 10:44 AM (u2a4R) Says every fucking retard under the emotional age of 25. The rest of us paid for, and paid into a system that worked just fine for about 60 years.

97 What did they really ever do? Posted by: rickb223 They give extremely rich black guys head.

98

*arches brow*

 

Brow?

You are doing it wrong.

**Slides Teapot over to AtC**

99 "32 Unrestricted free markets in health care is the only way to fix the problem." Are you really this stupid?? Unrestricted free markets in health care exist nowhere on the planet for obvious and simple reasons (obvious and simple to anyone not blinded by ideology). Without insurance regulation the first thing scammers will do is take lots of premiums and provide no coverage to the insured, declare bankruptcy and keep the proceeds. Of course insurance regulation did not develop in a vacuum, but in response to many real-life episodes where there were no reserves to cover the insured, or the insured were denied coverage for sickness after paying premiums for years (still happens every day, but regulation helps). Similarly, without an FDA, the first thing scammers will do is sell fake and ineffective "medicines" for big bucks (happens every day in Africa right now ,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfeit_medications). So "unrestricted free markets" in health care is a ridiculous and unattainable pipe dream, that has not and will not ever exist in the real world. And building a political platform around something that does not exist and cannot exist is pretty much the definition of stupidity. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" The only thing that attempts to create a mythical free market health care system will do is repeat the history of health care regulation, for the very same reason regulation occurred to begin with. Or do you like the West, Texas model of de-regulation?? (no nanny state telling developers not to put nursing homes and apartments right next to explosive storage??, Rick Perry is mad at the cartoonist, not the greed-head who killed 14 and injured 260, haha).

100 *arches brow* I'm so very very very sorry I must be misapprehending your position, do you believe that you are entitled to have me bound and gambol and interpretative dance of rage at your discretion? Really? I shall give you a moment to contemplate if you wish to continue with that position.  Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 10:47 AM (VtjlW)

You're not the Entertainment Committee Chairwoman?

.....

That's very different.

Never mind.

101 My Canadian girlfriend's Mother came down with cancer. She is over 60. They told her to get ready to die. Get ready for your caring governnment health "care".

102 Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 10:50 AM (IzY0K)

Dude, I know this is hard for you to understand, but this isn't 1890, OK?

103 Anyway it will be interesting to see if  in the Future  Doctor's  want to  come here to study and become renowned .


I suppose limiting  the benefits of taking risks 'financial etc'..to
become a doctor...anyway we'll see.

104 Let's see, what horrible conservative organization said that "Access to a waiting list is not access to health care"? Was it Cato? Heritage? No. Wait. It was that hotbed of Tea Party hatred the Canadian Supreme Court.

105

Remember when jwest used to come here and yell at us for not loving Sarah Palin ENOUGH?

 

I miss those days. 

106

Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 10:50 AM (IzY0K)

 

Look, Tommy.  Those truckers can't suck their own dicks.   Stop playing on the internets and get back to work.

107

Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 10:50 AM (IzY0K)

 

But the West Texas plant was declared an explosion free zone.  That should have worked right?

108 65 Jwest,

I have found that hiring a street sweeper to get the prior to Ogabe legions of fucking dead out of the way was best thought of as 'sunk cost"

you have your app for IPAB in yet?

109 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 10:39 AM (VtjlW)

Absolutely. And weekend shifts would pay more also.

But....no reimbursement experts, no billing clerks....nobody but a secretary who takes credit cards, checks and cash, and a radiology tech who will have to deal with one machine and one patient at a time.

110 Brow?
You are doing it wrong.
**Slides Teapot over to AtC**

Posted by: garrett at April 29, 2013 10:50 AM (XYJwA)

o-man, that's my job, shoves garret aside.

hands tea over to alex, with an innocent smile.

111

>>>I miss those days.

 

AHOY!

112

"With a free market comes charitable contributions of medical care that in the past has been of excellent quality."

 

So your answer is everyone for themself, let the market sort it out and for those unable to afford it, rely on charities.

 

OK.  Let's come up with a way to sell the concept.  Lay this puppy out in such a way that we walk away with every election from here on in.

 

I'm ready to hear the sales pitch. 

113 71 maddog,

Perfesser E Meritus at the Ba-rawn-Ko institute.

114 Also, according to about half the population, we're responsible for evey wrong that has ever been committed.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 29, 2013 10:49 AM (fwARV)

just half the wrongness.

: P

115 Remember when jwest used to come here and yell at us for not loving Sarah Palin ENOUGH?

I miss those days.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2013 10:52 AM (TOk1P)

Yes, he's done a 180 and won't respond to my queries when I point that out.

116 Drew - problem is you are wrong about the high-risk pool being a critical part of Obamacare.

First off, the program existed in smallish form before Obamacare.

Second, the program was expanded as a stop-gap measure until Obamacare kicks in.  The program ceases to exist on Jan 1, 2014.  Why?  Because new regs prevent any insurer from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions on Jan 1, 2014.

So, basically, this whole brouhaha over whether the GOP is helping Obama is really pretty stupid.

117
just half the wrongness.
: P

Posted by: willow at April 29, 2013 10:54 AM (nqBYe)

See??  Even when saying we're wrong for stuff, I was wrong!

Science.  How does it work?

118 84 CBD,

Carry your own fucking weight or ask for charity is an alternative....

not a politically attractive one to the democrat's chief enablers but an alternative

119 + it's not actually socialism

Nope. It just takes money from people who work and gives it to people who don't.

120 I always assume those advocating for obama like care are either in the insurance business, or in the lobbying business.

121 "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" I like that. Has a nice ring to it.

122
The funny part is Canada didn't start growing again until they started moving towards free market solutions and away from govt. solutions.

jwest hows the strawman building business?  pretty good I imagine.

123 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 29, 2013 10:55 AM (f9c2L)

Riddle me this, Jer:

Why, if we're still waiting for Obamacare to kick in, are we already paying for it?  Usually, if money changes hands, a service or goods are provided in return.  For two years, we'll be paying for nothing.

Square that circle.

124 GOP leadership has no interest in repealing Obamacare

125 When did jwest enlist in the FSA?

126 Nope. It just takes money from people who work and gives it to people who don't.

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at April 29, 2013 10:56 AM (/kI1Q)

And does so under the threat of force. Which is also known as fucking THEFT.

127 117 CTJ,

no it's not...

the Math is the Math fewer than were projected applied and it is already a sinkhole of cost....

now magnify that over the entire insurance industry...why by fucking jove it looks like those of us who actually understand the left were right when we said it was designed to fail and folks like you will then whine for single payer.

Thanks for playing

128

121 -

 

I have a relative who is a high ranking executive  for a hospital corporation.  She loves her some Obamacare. 

 

Or she would, if they would finally get around to the single payer stuff they're all salivating over.

 

Be patient, they will. 

129 I always assume those advocating for obama like care are either in the insurance business, or in the lobbying business.

Posted by: willow at April 29, 2013 10:56 AM (nqBYe)

Or - and this is where my money is - they're just dumb.

130 Not for nuthing, but, Bridenstine is my brand new Congress Critter. One of nine to vote agin Boner as Speaker. Kid has some big brass b*lls.

131 95 jwest, do you think Palin agrees with a single fucking thing you posted?
 

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 29, 2013 10:49 AM (Wix3e)

 

Palin and I didn't agree on most anything.

 

The only reason you or even Ace thought that might be the case is because I promoted her as a person of character who would be good in any position of public service.  However, as knee-jerk reactionaries, you and most others in the Palin-hating group assumed anyone defending her agreed with all her positions.

 

 

132

Posted by: jwest at April 29, 2013 10:53 AM (u2a4R)

 

This is not aimed just at you  but I hate when the debate turns to the one party saying that a complicated issue can't be solved as proposed and then demands that those that proposed the general framework to provide a detailed plan.  On a  interwebz  comment  section.

 

 

133 anyway peace.

have to go do stuff.

134 120 Heather Radish,

right in BarackAmerica we call this "free market dynamics" or some shit

135 Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 10:50 AM (IzY0K)

Oh, my!

Insurance does not mean what you think it means. Unrestricted free markets does not mean what you think it means.

Do you really think that tort law will be suspended? Do you really think that criminal law will be suspended?

Think before you write, and maybe we can have a discussion.

Otherwise, go someplace else, because stupid AND boring is no way to go around here.

136 I for one am more than happy to let parts of Obamacare wither away on the vine. Did Gabe actually think that eleventy dimensinal chess moves would result in anything other than increased funding for Obamacare? Seems to me he's usually more interested in promoting wedge issues that cleave the GOP, this one no different.

137
I always assume those advocating for obama like care are either in the insurance business, or in the lobbying business.

Posted by: willow at April 29, 2013 10:56 AM (nqBYe)<<<<<

Most are in the "give me more free shit" business.

138

Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 10:39 AM (IzY0K)

 

Could have saved yourself a lot of pixels by just posting "I'm a dumbass."

139 One more thing.. there is a misconception that the high-risk pool insures people for free.  Not the case.  People have top pay pretty hefty premiums to purchase insurance in that pool.. well over $10,000 per year last time I looked.

The fund merely covers expenses over and above a certain amount - i.e. catastrophic expenses.  It is exactly the type of model that I believe should be available nationwide - allowing Americans to pool their risk and purchase, or not purchase, insurance to cover mundane expenses.

140 Is Chi-Town Jerry a sock of Gabe's where he argues retarded economic policy instead of homo marriage?

141 I never read gabe's posts as a matter of principle.

142 And Republicans wonder why their voters are staying home. Some people whine that conservatives are demanding an unrealistic standard of "purity." Not at all, we would just like it if the GOP gave us something, anything to convince us our vote are not a waste of time. Has a single piece of limited Government legislation been passed and signed into law at the Federal level since the Contract with America (1994?)

143

"unrestricted free market" in healthcare means stepping over doe-eyed little girls dying needlessly on the steps of hospitals.

 

It says a lot about your posts, jwest, that I have no fucking idea whether that sentence is serious or sarcastic.

144 So your answeris everyone for themself, let the market sort it out and for those unable to afford it, rely on charities. OK. Let's come up with a way to sell the concept. Lay this puppy out in such a waythat wewalk away with every election from here on in. I'm ready to hear the sales pitch. Posted by: jwest at April 29, 2013 10:53 AM (u2a4R) Well, not everyone in the world is the uncharitable sucker of cock that you are, J. But I understand how your projection psychosis leads you there. Shit - Haiti doesn't even have a GDP, yet somehow private (American) citizens are still building hospitals and clinics and staffing and provisioning them. Fuckin' head scratcher ain't it? Of course, I wouldn't expect you to know a thing about that. Hey, here's an idea: How about you try reaching for your OWN wallet once. See how that feels. You might learn new and surprising information.

145 "Unrestricted free markets does not mean what you think it means. Do you really think that tort law will be suspended? Do you really think that criminal law will be suspended? Think before you write, and maybe we can have a discussion." Unrestricted has a pretty simple dictionary definition, and you are correct, discussion is impossible if words are redefined on the fly. And if tort law was sufficient, then the regulatory structure would not have been needed, and maybe you could find one real-world example of "unrestricted free markets", however you bend the common sense definition of words to suit yourself.

146 141 CTJ,

right we call these "catastrophic expenses" purchased at 10g a year 'savings' even though they are "horrid fucking discounts" that are a financial death sentence to actuarial based insurance and price dynamic...

hey STJ you never get around to responding about what the magic money machine is gonna do to cost dynamic

147 However, as knee-jerk reactionaries..,, As a general rule "knee-jerk reactionaries" are better company than douchebag progressive scolds. Jus' sayin'

148 Square that circle. Posted by: Washington Nearsider
..........
Hey.. please don;t paint me as an Obamacare supporter.  I've been opne of the biggest critics.

It is news to no  one that the only way Obama and the Dems could get O'Care scored by the CBO was to avoid payouts for 3 years but institute taxes and pay-ins immediately.  One of the biggest scams ever.

149

>>I always assume those advocating for obama like care are either in the insurance business, or in the lobbying business.

 

Obama allowed the Insurance Industry to rape the 'rich' for the first 4 years.  Got a 'cadillac plan'?  Well, I hope you lubed up because you are getting an historic cornholing.

 

  That's how he kept them on the sidelines in the run-up to the Vote.

150

unrestricted free market" in healthcare means stepping over doe-eyed little girls dying needlessly on the steps of hospitals.

If they were doe-eyed old people , jwest wouldn't  have a problem  with that scenario. 

151 145 MP4,

I always assume if the answer to a post is "more free shit" he is in earnest mode

152 Absolutely. And weekend shifts would pay more also.>>

Another reason for the discount at 3:00 am is that because others are willing to pay a premium for prime time hours that cover that discount and added expense.

153

Has a single piece of limited Government legislation been passed and signed into law at the Federal level since the Contract with America (1994?)

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at April 29, 2013 11:00 AM (QXlbZ)

I'll say this:  I think NOT passing any legislation at all is limited Government.  I'd be okay with that. Congress passing a record-low number of bills?  Good.

 

154 As a general rule "knee-jerk reactionaries" are better company than douchebag progressive scolds.

Jus' sayin'

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 11:02 AM (wcJ7H)

But aren't you on Team Judge and Scold?

155 153 plynikes,

He'd be volunteering for the Geriatric targeted Einsatzgruppen

156 OT...I'm in my cube trying to mind my own business, and keffiyah-wearing hipster scrunt is bitching out the Limey who shares my space for Britain's colonial activities however many hundreds of years ago.

I'm totally beseeching SMOD to hit me ASAP.

157 [i[however you bend the common sense definition of words to suit yourself.[/i] Pot, meet kettle. Tell me, is an utter lack of self-awareness a requirement for those on your side of the aisle? Do you take special training classes for that?

158 However, as knee-jerk reactionaries, you and most others in the Palin-hating group assumed anyone defending her agreed with all her positions.

Posted by: jwest at April 29, 2013 10:58 AM (u2a4R)

I'm not a Palin hater, ignorant fuckstick; I promoted her more than just about anybody, but pretty much ignored ace when he'd go off on one of his dumbass rants against her after he'd been given a special meeting with Top Men and got an insider view of why their long term sooper jeenyus plan was so fucking brilliant.  And unlike you I agreed with just about every fucking thing she promoted.  But please continue to be wrong on just about everything while casting off on others; it's very entertaining.

159 I think jwest would be a lot more comfortable with his compatriots over at little green shitballs. He holds most of their (read Bicycleboy's) views.

160 159 Heather Radish,

ask Taqqiya Babe is Jihadi jim is culpable for destroying 2000 North African Xian Churches in the 800s-1400s....

prepare like going to a Gallagher concert though

161 But please continue to be wrong on just about everything while casting off on others; it's very entertaining.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 29, 2013 11:04 AM (Wix3e)

-- This x 1000

162 161 Captain hate,

It's a feature not a bug of the Jwest, Mau Mau Gergekion Axis bud

163 Why, if we're still waiting for Obamacare to kick in, are we already paying for it? Usually, if money changes hands, a service or goods are provided in return. For two years, we'll be paying for nothing. Square that circle. Whaddaya mean? Money changed hands, you got fucked. Transaction concluded.

164

"Haiti doesn't even have a GDP, yet somehow private (American) citizens are still building hospitals and clinics and staffing and provisioning them. Fuckin' head scratcher ain't it?"

 

Now we're making progress.

 

One of our resident geniuses has now proposed that everyone take care of themselves, but the charity hospitals will reach the level of healthcare in Haiti.

 

We'll get some people working on the commercials right away.  This one is a winner.

165 Actually, health insurance rates are negotiated between inurance companies and the 50 State Insurance Commisioners. Those commissioners are not all controlled by Obama.

166 Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 11:01 AM (IzY0K)

Unrestricted free market is an economic term, and is not bound by the dictionary definitions of the individual words, so stop being a pompous ass.

You make the foolish assumption that regulation is needed, based on events in the distant past.

Well, you need to close your windows at night, because the bad air (mal aria: malaria) will get in and make you very sick.

We change. We don't need whatever regulation you think we needed.

167 The fund merely covers expenses over and above a certain amount - i.e. catastrophic expenses. It is exactly the type of model that I believe should be available nationwide - allowing Americans to pool their risk and purchase, or not purchase, insurance to cover mundane expenses. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 29, 2013 10:59 AM (f9c2L) Gee,...sorta like the market worked circa 1975 before all this government intervention and shit? Sold.

168 OT...I'm in my cube trying to mind my own business, and keffiyah-wearing hipster scrunt is bitching out the Limey who shares my space for Britain's colonial activities however many hundreds of years ago. I'm totally beseeching SMOD to hit me ASAP. Posted by: HeideRadieschen at April 29, 2013 11:04 AM (/kI1Q) *slides over agonizer* I leave it to your discretion as to whom it should be applied.

169 The CR was a must pass piece of legislation. If it hadn't passed we'd have seen a government shutdown. This would have been a risk for the GOP but it was also something Democrats wanted to avoid. In other words, it was a point of leverage.

I hope you recover from whatever retard-inducing brain injury you recently suffered, Drew.

Once you get better, I trust you'll reacquaint yourself with the meaning of the word "leverage".

Hint:  Threatening to shoot yourself in the stomach unless I hand over my wallet isn't "leverage".

170 167 Jwest,

as opposed to your brilliant "die you fucking geezer' plan which Obamacare at its core *is*

thanks for playing fucker...free market means the old can use their wealth to buy care and live as long as life choices merit...

your way has a spreadsheet, flow chart and flip book over a phone deciding to kill.

Keep the fucking change

171 Re Canadian success... "Oh, you left out the part where they dramatically reduced government spending. Argument. Blown. Head in the sand, indeed." Canadian government spends 32.2% of GDP versus US 26.2%, so Canada is both more "socialist" and more "successful" than the US, so I agree that your "argument" is indeed "blown". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_spending Or Germany, 40.6% of GDP, Denmark 49.0%, Iceland 57.8%, etc. The conservative thesis that the US is at the brink of collapse due to government spending is flatly contradicted by the real world. But keep believing your BS, it makes you into ineffective hapless political losers who stew in your rage instead of actually doing anything, and you do have some entertainment value.

172 Posted by: jwest at April 29, 2013 11:07 AM (u2a4R)

Are you really that fucking stupid?

173

Oh, now I get it.  He doesn't actually agree with anything Palin says, he just admires her character.

 

Like I did when I was a teenager, looking at Playboy mags.  I so admired those gals and their CHARACTER. 

 

 

174 My death panel just voted "thumbs down."  I'm out. 

175

OT Christie fellating the JEF again.

 

*sigh*

176 159 OT...I'm in my cube trying to mind my own business, and keffiyah-wearing hipster scrunt is bitching out the Limey who shares my space for Britain's colonial activities however many hundreds of years ago. "You wanna keep it down?!? I'm workin' hee-ya!" If that doesn't work, maybe Bannion can send over one of his cousins from Southie.

177

We'll get some people working on the commercials right away. This one is a winner.

 

Wanna link to the Shriner's Hospitals  commercials?  How about St. Jude's?

178
175 Posted by: jwest at April 29, 2013 11:07 AM (u2a4R)

Are you really that fucking stupid?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 11:09 AM (/WLC3)

Yes.

179

jwest are you arguing that Charity hospitals are not a valid  partial solution or that people just won't accept it?

 

Either way , it seems like you are agreeing with the FSA.   

180 If they were doe-eyed old people , jwest wouldn't have a problem with that scenario.

Instead, driving up the cost of razors and shaving cream.

181 But aren't you on Team Judge and Scold? Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 29, 2013 11:03 AM (da5Wo)

Only according to Ace.  However, I am not a douchebag progressive seeing as I still have a measurable testosterone level.

182 any of the many fine Catholic hospitals?

183 180 backwards Boy,

or the philanthropy of the "robber barons"?

In the end Jwest thinks Ogabe has more character and moral standing than JP Morgan et al...

I don't

184 Johns Hopkins?

185

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at April 29, 2013 11:04 AM (/kI1Q)

 

Heather, just tell the keffiyah-wearing hipster scrunt that the damned Palis wouldn't even know how to flush a toilet or change a light bulb if the Brits hadn't come in to civilize the damned place.

 

I hate Illinois Nazis and hipster douchebags.

186 Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 29, 2013 11:03 AM (wrS2o)

It's almost as if there was some mechanism that controlled supply and demand!

187 188 MP4,

she's in Indiana but "yeah"

188 The conservative thesis that the US is at the brink of collapse due to government spending is flatly contradicted by the real world. But keep believing your BS, it makes you into ineffective hapless political losers who stew in your rage instead of actually doing anything, and you do have some entertainment value.

Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 11:09 AM (IzY0K)

Your contact with the "real world" is highly tenuous.  Why don't you kill yourself now while you're still basking in the delusion that JEFcare is a good thing.

189 Only according to Ace. However, I am not a douchebag progressive seeing as I still have a measurable testosterone level.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 11:11 AM (sbV1u)

See, I would have responded proudly to Ace "Yes I am." I got no problem pointing at someone and going "Hey, see that shit you're doing? It's stupid and it's wrong. Knock it the fuck off."

190 Heather, perhaps she will go for a ride on a moped in her keffiyah and go down Isadora Duncan style.  One can dream

191 Unrestricted free market is an economic term, and is not bound by the dictionary definitions of the individual words, so stop being a pompous ass. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 11:08 AM (/WLC3)

Dude, chill.  He's just cutting and pasting word salad as fast as Axelrod can send it to him.  You can't expect him to actually make a post without at least 4 logical fallacies in it. 

That requires critical thought

192 Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 11:09 AM (IzY0K)

Heh....

Iceland?

They're fucking bankrupt you idiot.

193

Oh, I forgot the Adventist Health System.

 

There are many fine charitable organizations in the healthcare  business doing stuff like running hospitals and clinics.

194 The conservative thesis that the US is at the brink of collapse due to government spending is flatly contradicted by the real world. Yeah, fuckers!!

195 See, I would have responded proudly to Ace "Yes I am." I got no problem pointing at someone and going "Hey, see that shit you're doing? It's stupid and it's wrong. Knock it the fuck off." Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 29, 2013 11:13 AM (da5Wo)

I basically said that.  I said another way to put it was "I have standards"

196 48 So actually providing health care to the 45 million uninsured people in the US is not even worth mentioning, all consideration is reserved for political maneuver, and to hell with the sick people. Let them burn too! It is no mystery why Republicans keep losing elections if this level of political discourse prevails. Out on the island with the rest of the left-over Japanese hold-outs you guys can pat each other on the back and keep telling each how right you are. And the fact that every other industrialized nation makes some form on universal health care work must be ignored, because there is no possibility that ObamaCare can work (stick your heads farther into the sand and ignore Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, etc., because functioning government health care cannot work in the real world). Meanwhile, "socialist" Canada just passed the US in per capita net worth, and the conservative hold-outs explain to each other why government involvement "always" destroys economies. Head in the sand is easier than facing facts, and cognitive dissonance makes ideologues heads hurt, so keep on ignoring reality, and keep on losing. Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 10:39 AM (IzY0K) Before Obamacare, it was supposed to be 30 million without healthcare, so yeah Obamacare. Or was it always 45 million? Because those 20 million without healthcare was a little fungible. I couldn't imagine being one of the 15 million without health insurance before Obamacare made those 46 million without healthcare finally get it. And whether it is 30 or 45 million, that is 10-15 percent of the US population. So in the world of Dems, the GOP is for the 85% and the Dems for the 15%. BTW, the Canadian health care system sucks. Once you deal with it, you know that it sucks. When someone has to wait 6 months to get an MRI in Toronto, and then you can schedule that person for an MRI in Roanoke, VA in 2 days because Roanoke, VA has more MRI machines than Toronto, then you know the system is fucked up.

197 197 Greece,

If I take 75% of the economy out of the public's hands as taxes and I deficit spend to 105% of GDP I am winning assholes.....

//Award Winning Greek and Spanish eocnomics

198 Can people stop saying this piece of muzzie shit shouldn't get the death penalty? Since then, law enforcement has called what happened to Collier an assassination. Surveillance camera video shows the two suspects creeping up on Collier's squad car from behind. He was shot five time, police said. Two of those rounds were to the head. 'He didn't stand a chance,' DiFava said.

199 Anyone else have political bi-polar disorder? I used to. Not anymore. The game appears to be about hearts and minds and opinions and votes. It is not. Government is about the power individuals give to each other and take from each other so we do not have to live in the mud as savages. We are approaching the day when a not insubstantial number of people will break and say, "You can't make me do that!" When this day arrives, the politics part of it will completely break down, and we will rapidly snap back to principles of limited government. Interestingly this has much less to do with the people who are being put upon as it does with the people who are putting upon them. The aggressors simply do not know when to stop. As bad as people think things are going to get, things will probably not get that bad. What nobody considers is the amount of energy and effort that has to go into maintaining the falsehoods and contradictions underlying our "reality." Islam is a religion of peace. There is no shame living off others, but succeeding too well on your own is dirty. Global warming. Every last aspect of political correctness. FICA payments piled up in a lockbox. Once those inputs of effort and energy supporting these illusions are diverted into more pressing things like where people's next meals are going to come from, the entire house of cards will finally be recognized as the sick joke that it has always been. These excesses are luxuries. They will soon be especially so because people are fucking with things that are going to knock us down a few tiers on Maslow's pyramid.

200

"free market means the old can use their wealth to buy care and live as long as life choices merit..."

 

Because sven is far to fucking stupid to comprehend what people write, let me try and type it slowly for him.

 

I have always advocated letting anyone who can afford to pay for a service getting it.  Only a total asshole like sven would think otherwise.

 

Pop quiz dickface:  How would you ever prevent someone from spending their own money on a procedure?   Don't bother hurting yourself thinking about it, it can't happen.

 

 

201 Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 11:14 AM (sbV1u)

I'm practicing for my many conversations this summer, when the two brats explain to me why I have to buy them cars, and I explain to them that they are destitute, and have food, clothing and a place to sleep only because of my wife's largesse.

202

But keep believing your BS, it makes you into ineffective
hapless political losers who stew in your rage instead of actually doing
anything, and you do have some entertainment value.

Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 11:09 AM (IzY0K)

Republicans have 37 governorships and the House.  Republican led Texas as well as other Republican led states are kicking the economic ass of the liberal led states.   That's the BS I believe. 

203 >>>>12 Gabe has some, shall we be charitable, interesting math. Fix and improve a bill that 52%+ of the population hates and have always hated = more votes! It's a manifestation of the same mysterious political principle that will allow the GOP to make big electoral gains by legalizing millions of poor, dependent Hispanics.

204 ne of our resident geniuses has now proposed that everyone take care of themselves, but the charity hospitals will reach the level of healthcare in Haiti. We'll get some people working on the commercials right away. This one is a winner. Posted by: jwest at April 29, 2013 11:07 AM (u2a4R) What an ignorant yet over the top judgemental fucking dick you are. You really need to board a plane to Port au Prince TODAY. I'll give you a tour personally. Then you can talk shit to my face about the work that is being done there. After which you can enjoy some hands on experience of level of care that people who previously had NO CARE are now getting. I'm sure you'll find it more than satisfactory. Sound good? Open your heart. Open YOUR bank account. People who do are a treasure. People who simply badger and bad mouth their neighbors while opening THEIR bank accounts are a fucking curse on humanity. They should all DIAF. Holla' if you need a match for that gas can.

205 Expecting the GOP to fight Obamacare all out is like expecting John McCain to go all out to "complete the danged fence." The GOP is a liberal party. Its game is that it gets votes from people who want to vote for the less liberal party. But it doesn't do much for them.

206 I'm in my cube trying to mind my own business, and keffiyah-wearing hipster scrunt is bitching out the Limey who shares my space for Britain's colonial activities however many hundreds of years ago.

This is why God invented headphones.  Or accidentally setting off the fire alarm.

207 Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 10:50 AM (IzY0K)
.




You're missing one thing from your utterly incorrect rants. WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!

208 203 JWest,

No you fucking shithead Malthusian death cult false economic dynamic slinging asshole meotherfucker your ideas disrupt any price structure based in "reality" by having IPAB and the free shit cannon distort market dynamics you retarded gerbil up Bwaney fwank's asscrack.....

Let me break your fucking arm and have you try to compete with goddamned medicaid, ERs for free, and medical insurance as an uninsured and get back to me....

in a sane world a doctor would be free to get their education, place a value on it, get the price of materials, and tests and then 'engage in care"....

your shit is as far from that Godly example of market dynamics as heaven is wide.

209 Open your heart. Open YOUR bank account. People who do are a treasure. People who simply badger and bad mouth their neighbors while opening THEIR bank accounts are a fucking curse on humanity. They should all DIAF. Holla' if you need a match for that gas can.

 

 

Posted by: JQP

 

 

 

Oh.  My.  That was lovely.  Can you do that agin? 

210 "BTW, the Canadian health care system sucks. Once you deal with it, you know that it sucks." Rather than deal with data, believing your own made up BS is simpler, but a losing strategy. Actual data, http://www.pophealthmetrics.com/content/pdf/1478-7954-8-8.pdf "Results: Life expectancy in Canada is higher than in the US. For those < 40 years, there were no differences in HRQL between the US and Canada. For the 40+ group, HRQL appears to be higher in Canada. The results comparing the white-only population in both countries were very similar. For a 19-year-old, HALE was 52.0 years in Canada and 49.3 in the US. Conclusions: The population of Canada appears to be substantially healthier than the US population with respect to life expectancy, HRQL, and HALE. Factors that account for the difference may include access to health care over the full life span (universal health insurance) and lower levels of social and economic inequality, especially among the elderly" Keep spewing the spittle, it does have entertainment value, but has very little to do with reality.

211 "...I am not a douchebag progressive..."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 11:11 AM (sbV1u)

You eat frou-frou $10/pint ice cream, so I am reserving judgment.

If I hear that you drink cosmopolitans, then it will be confirmed.

212 Open your heart. Open YOUR bank account. People who do are a treasure. People who simply badger and bad mouth their neighbors while opening THEIR bank accounts are a fucking curse on humanity. They should all DIAF. Holla' if you need a match for that gas can.

 

 

Posted by: JQP

 

 

 

Oh. my.  That was so fine it needed saying again

213

I have always advocated letting anyone who can afford to pay for a service getting it. Only a total asshole like sven would think otherwise.

 

And what about those same people who don't want to pay for you getting a service?  Do they get to opt out?  Because they sure as fuck don't under Preezy Dog-Eater's plan.

214 You eat frou-frou $10/pint ice cream, so I am reserving judgment.

If I hear that you drink cosmopolitans, then it will be confirmed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 11:20 AM (/WLC3)

What's that sound?

*whistling noise*

INCOMING!!!!!!

215 for the love of Christ...

well uh yeah I like Ipab...and since we have to have this clusterfuck if you can afford to compete with Helicopter Fucking Ben and Timmy Turbo's wallet you're golden...

yeah "free market" there Jwest definitely

216 I'm practicing for my many conversations this summer, when the two brats explain to me why I have to buy them cars, and I explain to them that they are destitute, and have food, clothing and a place to sleep only because of my wife's largesse. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 11:16 AM (/WLC3)

Here.  Here's your cheat sheet.  These are Tommy Vee's logical fallacies just in this thread alone.  Let him go another 30 min he'll double it.

Ad Hominem Argument
Argumentum ad Miserecordiam
Argument from Consequences
Argument from Inertia
Argument from Motives
Argumentum ad populum
Big Lie Technique
Argument from Logos
False Dilemma
The Half Truth
Non Sequitur
Hasty Generalization
Argument from Ignorance
Straw Man
We Have to Do Something Fallacy

217 If I hear that you drink cosmopolitans, then it will be confirmed. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 11:20 AM (/WLC3) I will withdraw my objections to cameras at the meetup to take a picture if that happens. Also, put me some knowledge Horde, what meetup was it that someone from one of the Leftist sites showed up, took pictures and then posted the pics along with people's names? That was awhile back but I vaguely recall something like that happening.

218 Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 11:20 AM (IzY0K)

Wow. You are dumb.

Life expectancy is a number calculated from what?

Medical care is but one of many influences on life expectancy.

Try to synthesize this information, and when you have figured it out, get back to us with your new analysis.

219 217 MP4,

That as well but Jwest and Mau Mau think you can free shit cannon 45% or more of the population and have "a free market"

good luck Chuck

220 Also, put me some knowledge Horde, what meetup was it that someone from one of the Leftist sites showed up, took pictures and then posted the pics along with people's names? That was awhile back but I vaguely recall something like that happening.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 11:22 AM (VtjlW)

Wow. So, anyone taking pics at NoVa MeetUp gets the shit kicked out of them...is that what we're saying?

221

Posted by: JQP at April 29, 2013 11:18 AM (GVL0g)

 

You seem to take some personal pleasure in your quest to make some shit hole (Haiti) less of a hell-on-earth.  If that's what makes you happy, go for it.

 

If you actually wanted to help that country, you would organize an overthrow of the government and see that a monach takes over for next hundred years, until the people have evolved to the point that they could transition to democracy.

 

Until then, your just pissing in the ocean.

222

I'm way past tired of the Republicans knocking the rough edges off the Democrats' insane policies to make them almost work.Going down the drain slightly slower is still going down the drain, and now we're partners in it.

223 Gee,...sorta like the market worked circa 1975 before all this government intervention and shit? Sold. Posted by: JQP
............
Yes, kinda.. with one glaring difference.  Insurance companies don't want to pay claims.  any claims.  Your auto insurer will drop you if you get into too many accidents.  Health insurers will never allow you to enroll if you have ever had an illness.

How would you feel if your health insurer dropped you like a rock after you had a baby with a congenital defect?  I'm sure y'all would be praising their smart, free-market acumen and pat them on the back for being good businessmen.. right? right?

I'm no fan of socialized medicine.  But I think a regulation stipulating that if an insurer wants to do business in a particular geographical area, that they must take on all comers - allowing them, however, to charge higher prices for age and pre-existing conditions up to a point (called community rating).  That's all..  I don't think that's exactly a commie policy.

224 In others words, stop being the Tax Collectors for the Welfare State.

225 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 11:20 AM (/WLC3)

My name is Lieutenant Colonel Sean Bannion, and I've drank more beer and pissed more blood and banged more quif than all you numbnuts put together.

226 225 BC1981,

they don't play softball...

I got heat from $cientology when i was at Alt.recSci

227 Posted by: TommyVee.>>

Much of life expectancy results are skewed country to country on how they score the death of premature babies. Many countries don't count those deaths in there life expectancy results. So your data may have value but I don't have the time to grade it.

228 The results comparing the white-only population in both countries were very similar. For a 19-year-old, HALE was 52.0 years in Canada and 49.3 in
the US.

Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 11:20 AM (IzY0K)

RACIST. Stop oppressing the non-white population! You're probably a bigot, sexist and homophobe too.

229 My name is Lieutenant Colonel Sean Bannion, and I've drank more beer and pissed more blood and banged more quif than all you numbnuts put together.

I don't see a denial of drinking cosmopolitans in that statement.

230

from My Pet Jawa

 

A Canadian boxer killed fighting with jihadists in Russia has emerged as a key contact who might have set the elder Boston bomber on his path to violent extremism.

 

In what could be a breakthrough in understanding how Tamerlan Tsarnaev – himself a skilled boxer – became radicalised and turned to violence, Moscow's respected newspaper Novaya Gazeta revealed his links with William Plotnikov, who was killed last July by security forces in the troubled southern Russian republic of Dagestan.

 

 

Two days after Plotnikov's death, Tsarnaev flew to Moscow, and the next day to the US.

 

 

"After Nidal and Plotnikov were destroyed and he lost his contacts, Tsarnaev got frightened and fled."

 

 

Why those Tsarnaev boys have more connections to Jihad than a dog has fleas.

231 Is jwest one of those Hillary! supporters that got their panties in a wad over Bronco Bama so instead became a Palin fan? Sure seems that way to me.

232 234 Ian S,

I was a girl drink drunk Ian....

and when I wanted to be sober badass enough to order a Shirley Temple in Suck Bang Blow down in Myrtle Beach

233 Also, put me some knowledge Horde, what meetup was it that someone from one of the Leftist sites showed up, took pictures and then posted the pics along with people's names? That was awhile back but I vaguely recall something like that happening.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 11:22 AM (VtjlW)

I think that was New York,  your Stompiness.

234 Wow. So, anyone taking pics at NoVa MeetUp gets the shit kicked out of them...is that what we're saying? Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 29, 2013 11:24 AM (da5Wo) Well, sure, if my utter paranoia is allowed to rein supreme, as it should. My name is Lieutenant Colonel Sean Bannion, and I've drank more beer and pissed more blood and banged more quif than all you numbnuts put together. Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 11:25 AM (sbV1u) I cannot help but note that you failed to state that you do not, in fact, drink cosmopolitans. *gambols off*

235

206 -

 

Rush played the McCain quote on Friday, I believe.   McCain essentially said he knows letting in more Mexicans won't gain the party any votes, but it at least gets us to be able to compete for those votes... in the future.

 

Or something like that.  I swear he was reading something someone else wrote, and I really doubt he even knows what words come out of his mouth anymore. 

 

It was weird, and yet, perfectly appropriate for the McCain Party. 

236 I don't see a denial of drinking cosmopolitans in that statement. Posted by: Ian S. at April 29, 2013 11:26 AM (B/VB5)

It's assumed.

However, if you insist.  Woodford Reserve, neat.

237 Wow. So, anyone taking pics at NoVa MeetUp gets the shit kicked out of them...is that what we're saying? Or Guy Fawkes masks could be handed out at the door. Then it would look like a Coffee Party event.

238 Much of life expectancy results are skewed country to country on how they score the death of premature babies. Many countries don't count those deaths in there life expectancy results.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 29, 2013 11:25 AM (wrS2o)

Also, Iran has no gay people.  The data says so. 

239 Check the early morning thread for a story about how big-money GOP donors are pushing gay marriage.

The GOP will have to decide if they want the money, or that 1/3 of their base.

Posted by: zsasz at April 29, 2013 10:29 AM (MMC8r)

 

Check Empire of  Jeff's comment in the morning thread about how the "big-money GOP donors" are actually a PAC that was explicitly founded to push the gay marriage agenda in the GOP.  Gabe was being the dishonest pathetic hack that he is this morning.

240 My name is Lieutenant Colonel Sean Bannion, and I've drank more beer and pissed more blood and banged more quif than all you numbnuts put together.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 11:25 AM (sbV1u)

Thanks, Gunny.

241 *gambols off* Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 11:27 AM (VtjlW)

Well, I'm glad to see I got my gambol today.  

This then means, of course, that you are in fact, the Entertainment Committee Chairwoman

242 243 Cicero,

if we threatened to blow something up it'd be an Occupy "Whatever" rally

243 Thanks, Gunny. Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 29, 2013 11:28 AM (fwARV)

;-)      I knew you'd get it.

244 Wow. So, anyone taking pics at NoVa MeetUp gets the shit kicked out of them...is that what we're saying?

Some of us may get the shit kicked out of us regardless :-)

245 Or Guy Fawkes masks could be handed out at the door. Then it would look like a Coffee Party event.

Wouldn't Ewok masks be more appropriate?

246 250 Washington Nearsider,

we call that the "hail and farewell" portion of the festivities right?

247 I think that was New York, your Stompiness.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 29, 2013 11:27 AM (fwARV)

Too bad it didn't happen this time.  I'd liked to have met one of our trolls in person.

248 GOP at Cross Purposes on 'Obamacare'- http://bit.ly/ZTu1hy

"But rank-and-file Republicans, particularly freshmen and sophomore members, worry that any legislation to repeal a portion of the law could be interpreted by their constituents as strengthening it. Or worse, many Republicans fear that repealing broadly unpopular parts of the Affordable Care Act, such as the medical-device tax, might strengthen votersÂ’ opinion of the law, decreasing the possibility that political pressure for full repeal will mount as a predicted messy implementation progresses."

249 we call that the "hail and farewell" portion of the festivities right?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 29, 2013 11:30 AM (LRFds)

It was a tacking on ceremony in my previous life.

250 Posted by: jwest at April 29, 2013 11:24 AM (u2a4R) I didn't really need the confirmation, but thanks anyway. Always good to know the radar checks out.

251 251 Ian S,

then they'd think we were a Hillary! after shoot party

252 I don't understand. What does this have to do with gay marriage?  Discuss gay marriage or don't bother to post.

253 So actually providing health care to the 45 million uninsured people

How many thousands of times have I typed "insurance is not health care"?

1) Doctors take cash.  Non-profit hospitals offer free or reduced-fee care for poor people.
2) Insurance that covers XYZ is useless if there is no one available to diagnose and treat my XYZ.  "We have an opening in six months."  Six months later, "If you would have come in six months ago, we may have been able to do something."  But hey, you had insurance!

re hipster scrunt: I don't want to talk to her, I just want her to go away, you know?

254

Wow. So, anyone taking pics at NoVa MeetUp gets the shit kicked out of them...is that what we're saying?

 

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 29, 2013 11:24 AM (da5Wo)

 

I wouldn't have to kick their ass.  One look at me and it's like Medusa.  When is the NoVa meetup, anyway?

255 Also, put me some knowledge Horde, what meetup was it that someone from one of the Leftist sites showed up, took pictures and then posted the pics along with people's names? That was awhile back but I vaguely recall something like that happening. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 11:22 AM (VtjlW) Really? What are we, Skulls and Bones? Freedom of Assembly, bitches! Of course, if we were to go to an IWW or CPUSA meeting snapping pics and naming names, we'd hear never-ending shreaks of COINTELPRO!

256 Or Guy Fawkes masks could be handed out at the door. Then it would look like a Coffee Party event.


Someone shows up with one of those and they get a curb stomping.

257 Too bad it didn't happen this time. I'd liked to have met one of our trolls in person. Posted by: Heralder at April 29, 2013 11:30 AM (+xmn4)

That will be the guy getting the shit kicked out of him on the sidewalk as we wait for the Alexandria PD.

I'll make sure that goes in the helpful tourist guide.

258 I wouldn't have to kick their ass. One look at me and it's like Medusa. When is the NoVa meetup, anyway? Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 29, 2013 11:31 AM (zF6Iw)

21 June

259 The GOP had their chance to hurt Barry care, they failed. The helium subsidies still exist. We are fighting a losing war. But I continue to fight, guess I'm a moron. Anyway happy Monday I guess.

260 You seem to take some personal pleasure in your quest to make some shit hole (Haiti) less of a hell-on-earth. If that's what makes you happy, go for it.

If you actually wanted to help that country, you would organize an overthrow of the government and see that a monach takes over for next hundred years, until the people have evolved to the point that they could transition to democracy.

Until then, your just pissing in the ocean.

 

Posted by: jwest at April 29, 2013 11:24 AM (u2a4R)

 

Incoherent, misspelt and bugfuck crazy.  Nice hat trick, slick.

261

247 Well, I'm glad to see I got my gambol today.

 

--------

 

You're addicted to gamboling, aren't you?

 

262

According to the report in Novaya Gazeta, Tsarnaev came to the attention of Dagestan's anti-extremism unit when he was seen "more than once" with Nidal, 19. A month later, Nidal was killed. He had been accused of being part of a group that organised a bomb attack in Makhachkala that killed 13 people.

 

Russian security agents found Tsarnaev had been linked to Plotnikov, an ethnic Russian citizen of Canada, whom they had interrogated in 2010 after he arrived in Dagestan, ostensibly to study Islam. Plotnikov gave a list of people in Europe and the US with roots in Russia's North Caucasus, with whom he had communicated via social networking sites. Among the names Plotnikov volunteered was that of Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

 

Plotnikov was released but by 2012 he had joined Dagestan's insurgents.

 

It is unclear whether Tsarnaev and Plotnikov met through boxing circles or only communicated online, but their life paths suggest such a meeting was possible. Both were keen amateur boxers with roots in Russia who turned to Islam after finding it hard to adapt in their adopted countries.

 

Tsarnaev also visited his aunt in Toronto, where Plotnikov lived with his parents.

 

Novaya Gazeta's source said the men communicated via a website associated with a non-government organisation called the World Assembly of Muslim Youth. That could not be immediately verified. Once the Russian security service, the FSB, established his links with Plotnikov and Nidal, he was watched closely.

263 I wouldn't have to kick their ass. One look at me and it's like Medusa. When is the NoVa meetup, anyway?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 29, 2013 11:31 AM (zF6Iw)

June 21. Email Bannion if you're interested in coming.

264
ha. dumbass moby jwest thinks its not ok for everyone to take care of themselves but thinks its perfectly ok for everyone to take care of him.

I think he should get writing those commercials for himself, see how many votes he gets.

265 Hey! I had a thought! (Shut up, I do too have thoughts) If Congresscritters are determined to play chess with political matters, can it be secret agent laser obstacle chess? And can I be in charge of the lasers? Think of how much more efficiently political disputes would be solved.

266 You're addicted to gamboling, aren't you? Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at April 29, 2013 11:33 AM (FzhYM)

Only when AtC does it.

Because....racktasticness.

267

And what about those same people who don't want to pay for you getting a service? Do they get to opt out? Because they sure as fuck don't under Preezy Dog-Eater's plan.

 

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 29, 2013 11:21 AM (zF6Iw)

 

I'm going to assume that you're not as fucking stupid as sven, but just suffering from extreme knee-jerkitist. 

 

My position has been that there can't be unlimited procedures with a blank check paid for by public money for those who couldn't afford it personally. 

 

The others here are arguing that if a 94 year old alcholic who smokes three packs af cigarettes a day needs a liver transplant for 300 grand, even though it might only extend his life 2 weeks, go ahead and do it.  It's tax money so it's OK.

 

Because I hold this position, Heather believes I'm just waiting to pull the plug from her mother, even if she just has a head cold.

 

 

268 Oh goody. A player in the NBA has "come out." Calm, level discourse to surely follow.

269

What are we, Skulls and Bones?

 

Boola boola, bitchez.

270 273 JWest,

Again Dumbfuck explain to me in detail how free shit cannoning 45% of the market is going to reestablish a genuine cost to price equilibrium?

"DERP!"

We get it take care of ME! Not her or him ME!

Let me know if you get the IPAB job twinkle toes.

271 jwest why do you come here?

272 274 BC1981,

What's the NBA?

273

who came out, active or retired player

274 The gay NBA dude just made a smart play. He was out of the league. He's an old benchwarmer. He wasn't going to be signed by any team next year. Now if no NBA team signs him it's because of homophobia -- not that he's old and no good. I bet some NBA team will hire him for the publicity, if not I bet Stern demands some NBA team hire him. He'll get one more payday out of this. smart move.

275 Because I hold this position, Heather believes I'm just waiting to pull the plug from her mother, even if she just has a head cold.

No, it's because you've posted over and over that you don't believe women or their families have a right to decide their course of treatment--the government should actively put them down instead of allowing them to decide to get chemo or palliative care.

You really, really, need psychiatric help to get over your regret at not murdering your mother.

276 281 ThunderB,

34 year old center...or as I call it "senior citizen"

277 BTW, the Canadian health care system sucks. Once you deal with it, you know that it sucks. When someone has to wait 6 months to get an MRI in Toronto, and then you can schedule that person for an MRI in Roanoke, VA in 2 days because Roanoke, VA has more MRI machines than Toronto, then you know the system is fucked up. -------------------- That's the least worst part of it. Try moving here and funding a family doctor or pediatrician. "No new patients." That's a phrase you'll get familiar with real fast.* Doctors essentially have two choices here: get paid a salary or get paid on a "fee-for-service" model. But either way, they're getting paid by the province on a scale determined by the province. And that scale has a hard ceiling, beyond which, they're not getting paid anymore. So what you have is doctors who work three days a week. Because if they worked more and saw more patients, they wouldn't get paid for it. Worse, they'd have to pay out of pocket for the consumable supplies and staff wages for the privilege of working for free . Needless to say, no doctor does this, and so all you hear is "No new patients. " Also, your "free" health care does NOT cover everything. Therefore, supplemental insurance is just about a necessity. Drugs, vision, catastrophic - that's on you. So yeah, it works great. As long as you never need to see a doctor. *in case you were wondering, yes I have a doctor for my Master Race. One Percenter, bitch. My crew doesn't go without. It took a lot of favor-calling, though. And I still maintain our Blue Cross coverage from LA.

278 Jason Collins, recently of the Celtics, now an unsigned free agent. Played at Stanford, perfectly decent role player in his day. I don't expect him to play in the NBA again.

279

Wouldn't Ewok masks be more appropriate?

 

No Furries!

280 283 Heather Radish,

Don't worry he wants the power to kill ours to balance the scales...

a lot like Barky "mourned" granny by windsurfing

281 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 11:23 AM (/WLC3)


Life expectancy is one of those "figure don't lie, liars figure" type things.

Firstly I'd have to see a P value to tell if 52 is statistically different from 49.2 (it actually may not be.)

Secondly US life expectancy is hampered by a few things that have nothing to do with healthcare.
1) Accidents: we're a country of people often doing reckless things.  That's kinda how freedom works. (also cars, we have a lot of cars)
2) Diet: we love our food, see above about freedom.
3) Crime, yes crime, gang crime specifically.  Drags down life expectant.  Now the answer of course is "DO SOMETHING" but that's a really complex question for a heterogeneous population like the US.

Show me something that corrects for those things and we'll talk (not directed at you CBD, just a followup to your statement.)

282 who came out, active or retired player Posted by: thunderb at April 29, 2013 11:37 AM (nH8jP)

Jason Collins.  Wizards

283 I'd liked to have met one of our trolls in person.

Posted by: Heralder at April 29, 2013 11:30 AM (+xmn4)

Seriously....the troll would simply have been drowned out by the chorus of  conservative voices refuting his every point.

284 Actual data, http://www.pophealthmetrics.com/content/pdf/1478-7954-8-8.pdf "Results: Life expectancy in Canada is higher than in the US. For those between the US and Canada. For the 40+ group, HRQL appears to be higher in Canada. The results comparing the white-only population in both countries were very similar. For a 19-year-old, HALE was 52.0 years in Canada and 49.3 in the US. Conclusions: The population of Canada appears to be substantially healthier than the US population with respect to life expectancy, HRQL, and HALE. Factors that account for the difference may include access to health care over the full life span (universal health insurance) and lower levels of social and economic inequality, especially among the elderly" Keep spewing the spittle, it does have entertainment value, but has very little to do with reality. Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 11:20 AM (IzY0K) That's because one in five Canadians comes across the US border for their healthcare. When it's their life on the line, Canadians realize that quality trumps quantity.

285 Jason Collins.  Never heard of him

286 282 Flatbush Joe,

The nets, or maybe the Warriors

287 When is the NoVa meetup, anyway?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 29, 2013 11:31 AM (zF6Iw)

21June

288
Near as I can tell all NBA players are running around on the court playing grab ass anyway.

289 "Gabe was being the dishonest pathetic hack in-the-closet-liberal that he is this morning. Posted by: buzzion at April 29, 2013 11:28 AM (LI48c)" FIFY

290 Only when AtC does it.

Because....racktasticness.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 11:33 AM (sbV1u)

Did you see that pic of AtC I found?  OMG!

291

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 11:22 AM (sbV1u)

 

When he works in the 'No True Scotsman', I will hit the Tip Jar.

292

Gay NBA player?

 

Hmmmm, there was that one guy, I forget his name.  Guard, with the Lakers.  Got HIV.  Magic somethingorother....

 

Oh, that's right.  He got it having sex with chicks.  Not dudes. 

 

Right. 

293 No, it's because you've posted over and over that you don't believe women or their families have a right to decide their course of treatment--the government should actively put them down instead of allowing them to decide to get chemo or palliative care.

You really, really, need psychiatric help to get over your regret at not murdering your mother.

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at April 29, 2013 11:37 AM (/kI1Q)

 

The dumbass believes that if someone is sick and near death you should not be allowed to treat them because its just their body telling them its time to die.  So there really should be no efforts to treat cancer at all.  Afterall, cancer is just your body trying to kill itself, and we shouldn't stop that.

294 Every Republican fingerprint on Obamacare gives Obama and his media lapdogs a chance to claim that everything would be hunky-dory except that implementation was "sabotaged" by Republicans. Cantor's approach was lose/lose. We could use some new and better leadership, yup yup.

295 ewww, off you nasty nasty dirty old stale sock.

296 jwest why do you come here? Posted by: thunderb at April 29, 2013 11:36 AM (nH8jP)

A deep-seated psychological need to finally, FINALLY bitchez(!), be noticed.

297 300 Burt TC,

I think he may have beaten the odds by bedding pirn queens and hookers...

you tap enough polluted strange you may win the lottery it is just statistically hard....

real hard.

298 it just seems like walking into a neighborhood bar or coffee shop, shouting a bunch of stuff to piss the patrons off, and staying for the ensuing chaos.  I just do not get it.

299 "The dumbass believes that if someone is sick and near death you should not be allowed to treat them because its just their body telling them its time to die." Without reading the rest of the thread, I'm going to go way out on a limb here and guess that j-death panels-west is posting here. What do I win?

300 Seriously....the troll would simply have been drowned out by the chorus of conservative voices refuting his every point.

osted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 11:39 AM (/WLC3)

Or... dickpunched. 

301 You're addicted to gamboling, aren't you? If you, or anyone in your family is addicted to gamboling, please call our toll free number, 1-800- GAM-BOLING. We have nuns on standby to assist. - The Baby Lambs

302 301 Buzzion,

Correct and the govt has a duty to destroy actuarial coverage compacts with mandated Giney pills 4 all and sex changes and and and...

get the govt as out of healthcare as libs say they want it out of the bedroom

303 If you, or anyone in your family is addicted to gamboling, please call our toll free number, 1-800- GAM-BOLING. We have nuns on standby to assist.  -  The Baby Lambs

Sweater Puppies are manning our phone lines 24/7.  Call today.

304 Seriously....the troll would simply have been drowned out by the chorus of conservative voices refuting his every point.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 11:39 AM (/WLC3)

Except when we all paused and watched the waitress walk by.

305 Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 29, 2013 11:38 AM (WTxF0)

Of course!

This is what is maddening about the progressives. They have such a shallow understanding of complex systems, yet they are supremely confident in their analyses.

And "heterogeneous" is the big confounding stat. It's easy to improve life expectancy in small countries with homogeneous populations. Their behavior is very similar.

306 307 Burn the Witch,

a headache if you go back and watch it chase its tail

307

Hmm, my comment got eaten.  Again:

 

 

I'm going to assume that you're not as fucking stupid as sven, but just suffering from extreme knee-jerkitist.

 

What are you, Joe Biden?  I don't play whip-out with my IQ for anybody.

 

My position has been that there can't be unlimited procedures with a blank check paid for by public money for those who couldn't afford it personally.

The others here are arguing that if a 94 year old alcholic who smokes three packs af cigarettes a day needs a liver transplant for 300 grand, even though it might only extend his life 2 weeks, go ahead and do it. It's tax money so it's OK.

Because I hold this position, Heather believes I'm just waiting to pull the plug from her mother, even if she just has a head cold.

Posted by: jwest at April 29, 2013 11:34 AM (u2a4R)

 

I agree in theory with that position.  But if it's really yours, then you're doing a piss-oor job of articulating it.  I don't, in fact, hear much beyond "if you don't have a plan to immediately replace BammyCare, then you're not serious about health!"

308 Except when we all paused and watched the waitress walk by.

Posted by: Heralder at April 29, 2013 11:43 AM (+xmn4)

Yeah...she was impressive, although Nevergiveup was a fan of the ginger.

309 So yeah, it works great. As long as you never need to see a doctor.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 29, 2013 11:38 AM (JDIKC



Strangely wasn't this the demon-crat attack against republicans during the obamacare standoffs?

310 Except when we all paused and watched the waitress walk by. Posted by: Heralder at April 29, 2013 11:43 AM (+xmn4)

We're conservative.  We're not dead.

Geesh.

311

305 -

 

You said "hard."

 

There were many people whispering he was gay LONG before he tested positive.  Then when he did, everybody shut up about it. 

312 3306 ThunderB,

he's just a Moby...but sadly Mobying now seems to work

313 Oh I see we have "But-Just-One-Life" Hollowpoint with a solo shot and jwest shitting all up and down the thread. I can't wait for Gabe's rebuttal post later in which he's completely unable to focus on the argument.

314 319 Burt TC,

well look not to go there but rumor has it he is a bit of a pirate....

and the easiest way to get a winning hand is piracy.....

I always thought he was 'flexible"

315

246 My name is Lieutenant Colonel Sean Bannion, and I've drank more beer and pissed more blood and banged more quif than all you numbnuts put together.

 

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 11:25 AM (sbV1u)

 

And I'm a Ret. USN Fleet Enlisted Man... who was single for the VAST majority of his carreer...

 

so I put your statement into the.... doubtful... category.....

316 We're conservative. We're not dead.

Geesh.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 11:45 AM (sbV1u)

Just because you're on a diet doesn't mean you can't look at the menu.

317 324 Washington Nearsider,

depends is the Mrs armed or unarmed?

318 depends is the Mrs armed or unarmed?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 29, 2013 11:48 AM (LRFds)

Ah.  See, there IS no Mrs. Nearsider. 

319 Oh geez, stay off of sports social media. They're congratulating Jason Collins like he freed the slaves, split the atom and vanquished cancer.

320 323 246 My name is Lieutenant Colonel Sean Bannion, and I've drank more beer and pissed more blood and banged more quif than all you numbnuts put together. Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 11:25 AM (sbV1u) -------------------- You forgot "stomped more ass."

321 You can try to polish a turd, but at the end of the day, all you got is a turd...and it still not shiny

322 Geesh.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 11:45 AM (sbV1u)

We had two waitresses, and both were extremely impressive. One had a rack that could stop traffic, and the other's behind was a thing of rare beauty, perhaps sculpted by Michaelangelo.

They couldn't waitress for shit, but strangely, nobody minded!

323 Oh ffs. I read the NBA gay guy's "coming out article." I could only make it halfway through before the swings between "I'm just being honest because no one else will", "I need to be vindicated by someone else" and "i'm totally trying to ensure I have a way to earn a paycheck next season" made me want to put a pencil through my eye.

324 327 LincolnTF,

I see a Cialis commercial in his future....

"Master of the hardWood"

325 Yes, kinda.. with one glaring difference. Insurance companies don't want to pay claims. any claims. Your auto insurer will drop you if you get into too many accidents. Health insurers will never allow you to enroll if you have ever had an illness.

How would you feel if your health insurer dropped you like a rock after you had a baby with a congenital defect? I'm sure y'all would be praising their smart, free-market acumen and pat them on the back for being good businessmen.. right? right?
*******
Not true. Insurance companies (both property & casualty and health & life) are businesses and policies are contracts. Insurance is HIGHLY regulated by states and coverage, denial of same, claim rejection, etc. is scrutinized carefully in almost all states. Cancellation of an insurance policy is one of most highly regulated aspects of insurance in every state; each state delineates specific grounds for policy cancellation such as falsifying application, 2 chargeable accidents, etc.

In my state (PA), I was able to purchase an individual health insurance policy despite a pre-existing condition because the PA Ins. Department requires companies cover individuals who have had continuous coverage for a certain period of time. I had employer coverage, then Cobra, now an individual policy.

Some states already require companies to sell to people with pre-existing conditions - they finance it through a tax on each policy sold. Prior to Obamacare, there were other solutions - you could form a group with family members or hobby groups. Group coverage had different underwriting standards so they covered pre-existing conditions.

There are so many myths about insurance, it's impossible to even discuss the subject. One of biggest is that all these uninsured people couldn't get insurance. Most of these uninsured just don't feel like paying the high premiums.  I have relatives who have cable, internet, etc. but refuse to spend the money on insurance.

326

saw a program on HBO called "Vice".  Wasn't what I thought it would be.  Its a Bill Maher produced prgram,, sort of a 60 minutes with tatooed hipsters instead of dinosaurs.  Anyhoo, this segment was about the shortage of women in China and how it has affected dating and marriage.  They did not discuss the cause really.  They did blame it on the one child policy, not one word about gender selective abortion.  Not. One. Word. 

 

Next segment was about the huge youth unemployment and the riots in Greece and Spain.  Showed the protests.  Spent all the time talking about how these "youths"  feel about being unemployed.  Implied they were all gonna be Nazi'd and right wingers like in Greece.  Barely touched on the fact that the ones doing actual bombing are anarchists and leftists (altho the Nazis in Greece were pretty creepy).

 

Not one word about how the socialist policies of Spain and Greece led to the widespread unemployment.  And the youth were no agitating for jobs really, but for more free shit, FSA all the way.

 

Jwest reminds me of this program.  All about feelings, not about causes of facts

327 O/T: Went to Germanfest in Muenster, Tx saturday. Had a huge plate of brats & sauerkraut. Currently waiting on a call from the Syrian army in regards availability for poison gas attacks. But damn was the food good.

328 Just because you're on a diet doesn't mean you can't look at the menu.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 29, 2013 11:47 AM (fwARV)

Agreed, and we had quite the menu at our meetup.

329 @CBD

I quote the great Alasdair MacIntyre and Samual Gorovitz's "Towards a model of Medical Fallibility (1975):


To understand perfectly the behavior of a given hurricane, we would need to have perfect understanding of the polar ice cap and the gulf stream. But these, too, are particulars interacting with their larger environments, which include among other things the very hurricane we wish to understand. We thus cannot have perfect knowledge of our hurricane, short of having a complete understanding of all the laws that describe natural processes, and a complete state description of the world. In short, perfect knowledge of that one particular hurricane is unavailable except under conditions of omniscience.

(they use "hurricanes" as an example of a complex system)

330 Just because you're on a diet doesn't mean you can't look at the menu.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 29, 2013 11:47 AM (fwARV)

I have told my wife, on many occasions, that I will always, ALWAYS look, but I will never touch.

331 Oh I see we have "But-Just-One-Life" Hollowpoint with a solo shot and jwest shitting all up and down the thread.

And I see that you're still unable to comprehend an argument.

332 Ah. See, there IS no Mrs. Nearsider. Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 29, 2013 11:49 AM (fwARV)

Yet    ;-)

333 I have told my wife, on many occasions, that I will always, ALWAYS look, but I will never touch. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 11:51 AM (/WLC3) As I have explained to various women over the years, the day he stops looking at other women is the day he stops looking at you.

334 Ah. See, there IS no Mrs. Nearsider. Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 29, 2013 11:49 AM (fwARV)


I'm sure he'll be very nice. 

335 Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 29, 2013 11:51 AM (WTxF0)

And this speaks directly to the fallacy of the perfectibility of man.

336 The solution to "fixing" Medicare is very simple: End Medicare.

In its place, put:

1. Retention of the current system for those 55 and over (because they have arranged their lives with the current system in place) - the specific age is negotiable
2. For everyone else, government funds a ~$4000/yr per citizen HSA account for every citizen who purchases a HDHP health insurance plan (not a mandate - if you don't want the money, you don't sign up for the insurance)

This is essentially the Singapore model, but less coercive - they actually force their citizens to get the health insurance.

337 Posted by: jeannebodine at April 29, 2013 11:50 AM (LBBS3) I debated answering and let it go. If 'reading', 'comprehending', 'researching a company' and 'making a choice' are unreasonable demands on an "adult" in any given marketplace, we can just sit down and wait for the burning. I found a comfy chair instead. Better use of my time.

338 As I have explained to various women over the years, the day he stops looking at other women is the day he stops looking at you.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 11:52 AM (VtjlW)

If a married man stops looking at attractive women, well, you're probably headed for an episode of Maury.

339 I'm sure he'll be very nice. Posted by: Heralder at April 29, 2013 11:53 AM (+xmn4)

When I read that I hear the Andrew Dice Clay "Oh!" right after it.

Nicely done.

340 Hey look, Ace posted what I posted.

341 "...is the day he stops looking at you."

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 11:52 AM (VtjlW)

Such a simple idea, yet beyond the understanding of so many.

I'd buy you a drink, but this will have to do:

http://tinyurl.com/cvfdq2c

NSFW

342 Yet ;-)

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 11:52 AM (sbV1u)

Touche.

343 Oh geez, stay off of sports social media. They're congratulating Jason Collins like he freed the slaves, split the atom and vanquished cancer.

Posted by: lincolntf at April 29, 2013 11:49 AM (ZshNr)

MSN has this as a breaking (all in red) headline story like we've discovered life on Mars. In story about Tim Tebow the headline is Jets release controversial QB. That Christianity is just soooooo controversial as opposed to being queer which is now the height of greatness and wonderfulness

344 Such a simple idea, yet beyond the understanding of so many.

I'd buy you a drink, but this will have to do:

http://tinyurl.com/cvfdq2c

NSFW





I did manage to find a pic of AtC online, but only one.  This may be the only pic of her online.

Tea?

http://oi40.tinypic.com/21eamf.jpg

345 “‘Some [Republicans] want to pick it apart and bring up the issue on a daily basis, others are all repeal or nothing and the final camp is to let it get fully implemented and watch how it crushes the tax payers and the economic drivers in the U.S.,' a Republican political operative told me on Friday."

http://bit.ly/15TcYUY

346 I did manage to find a pic of AtC online, but only one. This may be the only pic of her online.

Tea?

http://oi40.tinypic.com/21eamf.jpg

Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 12:00 PM (GQ8sn)

*Rack curtains closing*

347 214 "BTW, the Canadian health care system sucks. Once you deal with it, you know that it sucks." Rather than deal with data, believing your own made up BS is simpler, but a losing strategy. Actual data, http://www.pophealthmetrics.com/content/pdf/1478-7954-8-8.pdf "Results: Life expectancy in Canada is higher than in the US. For those between the US and Canada. For the 40+ group, HRQL appears to be higher in Canada. The results comparing the white-only population in both countries were very similar. For a 19-year-old, HALE was 52.0 years in Canada and 49.3 in the US. Conclusions: The population of Canada appears to be substantially healthier than the US population with respect to life expectancy, HRQL, and HALE. Factors that account for the difference may include access to health care over the full life span (universal health insurance) and lower levels of social and economic inequality, especially among the elderly" Keep spewing the spittle, it does have entertainment value, but has very little to do with reality. Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 11:20 AM (IzY0K) Oh, you mean the people who show up at the emergency room with an upset stomach? You do know that those people will still show up at the emergency room with an upset stomach. They will only go to the doctor when they have to, not for physicals. As for my "spittle", I have actually had to deal with the medical field in Canada, and have employed many Canadians. So my experience is a little more first hand than typing "Canada healthcare" into a google search box.

348 "And I see that you're still unable to comprehend an argument. Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 29, 2013 11:51 AM (SY2Kh)" I comprehended your argument on that thread just fine. You just didn't seem to comprehend that several Morons handed you your ass on it.

349 But why would you want to live longer in Canada?    Because you like freezing your ass off?

350 83 What we should be hearing from the GOP on this is repeal and nothing but repeal. Then, we should be hearing how government intrusion into the HC market has distorted prices, causing them to increase. Then we should be hearing ideas about freeing up the market by removing interstate barriers to insurance companies and massive fraud reduction and tort reform.

In other words, repeal and replace.

351 27 yo: "Bad. I'm getting old"
Me: "You're not old. I'm old"
27 yo stares
Me: "You have a job?"
27 yo stares
Me: "Get a job."
27yo: "What? Work for somebody that yells at you? Tells you what to do even if it's stupid and doesn't make sense, and they pay you crap?!
Me: Welcome to the real world. You aren't living until you're working
27yo: Well, that's just not for me

I don't even know his name. They're scared and they don't much like people who aren't as scared as they are.

352

"I agree in theory with that position. But if it's really yours, then you're doing a piss-oor job of articulating it. I don't, in fact, hear much beyond "if you don't have a plan to immediately replace BammyCare, then you're not serious about health!"

 

It's hard to articulate a position here that varies one iota from the standard knee-jerk reaction, because you're immediately pounced on as liberal troll.

 

As sven will tell you, that "think'in stuff" is hard, hard work.  It's much easier to jump up and bump chests while yelling " 'Merica, Fuck Yeah!", even though sometimes the buckles on the bib overalls stick together.

 

 

353 Honestly...after this congressional election, I'm done with the GOP. Why this congressional election? Because it'll be a cold day in hell before I help the SCOAMF get a full Democratic congress in his last two years. There's "let it burn" and there's "fucking idiocy", and sitting this one out would be the latter.

354 "Meanwhile, "socialist" Canada just passed the US in per capita net worth, and the conservative hold-outs explain to each other why government involvement "always" destroys economies." Which is it, you wish us to have higher per capita net worth or you resent wealth disparity? We can raise per capita net worth by eliminating the top brackets for capital gains and income and estate taxes. Just wipe them out, and then the net worth of Americans goes up, and when you divide that by our population you'll have a higher per capita net worth. Oh-- you didn't know what you were talking about? a

355 jwest is of the Malor School of Neo-Progtard Collusion Theory, the gist of which is that every fucktarded idea that the Marxist filth on the left can dream up, conservatives must "improve" it or propose something different.  Of course, that school also deems you a poopy-head if you disagree on principle with every goddamned thing that they think up.  That sort of faux intellectual lack of rigor is a hallmark of the moderates, who really have no core values...they will enthusiastically throw their fate to the winds of pure democracy, which is a death wish and guaranteed failure.

356 maybe you could find one real-world example of "unrestricted free markets", however you bend the common sense definition of words to suit yourself. Posted by: TommyVee. at April 29, 2013 11:01 AM (IzY0K) Good. Grist you're an idiot. Veterinarian care works exactly that way. It took me about half a second to realize that.

357 I'm through with the GOP.  The whole conservative movement should give them the finger and sit out the next election, just to show the fuckers they need us more than we need them.