June 07, 2013
— Gabriel Malor If the news weren't so saturated with scandals right now, the broadcast evening newscasts would have had a different segment each night this week on the EPA. As we were doing the podcast last night, Drew, Andy and I tried to recount them all and actually came up short on the first try. There's just that many.
I'd really like to keep the EPA scandals in the spotlight because they run the gamut from basic bureaucratic waste, to malicious politically-motivated abuse, to direct malfeasance by the EPA's highest appointee. Here they are:
(1) EPA awarded former EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson's alias, Richard Windsor, an ethics award.
Yes, a fake person -- an alias created to avoid disclosure obligations and keep Lisa Jackson from having to read all the email in her actual email account -- won an ethics award.
There's two immediate take-aways to this scandal. First, it's right at the top. None of the standard Obama Administration excuses -- "it was a low-level employee; I was never informed" or "I do so many of these, I don't even read them" -- will work here. Jackson knew, she was complicit, and now she's conveniently gone -- the beneficiary of a cushy job at Apple just days after Democrats haled the company into hearings to browbeat it for obeying tax law.
Second, it demonstrates the empty "meritocracies" of the bureaucracy. Windsor's name was on a list for completing a mandatory annual requirement, so of course "he" got an award.
(2) EPA targeted conservative groups for disfavored treatment.
This scandal is a direct parallel to the IRS targeting. The EPA gets FOIA requests from conservative and from liberal groups. Generally, the requesting person or entity has to pay for the cost of searching, compiling, and printing the records either on paper or CD. And these fees can range up into the hundreds of thousands of dollars per FOIA. But there are waivers for these fees. You can guess who gets the waivers and who doesn't.
The response of the EPA to this is laugh-out-loud funny. First came the blanket denial. Acting EPA Administrator Bob Perciasepe told a House committe, "our policy is to treat everybody the same." And then he added -- illogically, astonishingly -- that the agency was "considering" launching an investigation. Considering it!
That's one of the reasons I'd like to see some light on this agency. They're still in liberal la-la land, where they think they can pretend to be concerned about a scandal and then go back to business as usual.
Considering it!
(3) EPA contractors turned part of an EPA warehouse into their own personal rec rooms and gym.
Here's an almost banal example of bureaucratic waste. Contractors let loose to do their thing with only belated oversight. Yes, they were paid to happily build their clubhouse and gym.
EPA just found out last month and, to its credit, severed ties with the contracting company. But the agency was left with a bunch of unanswered questions, foremost among them: how did this happen? Boy, wouldn't we all like to know.
(4) EPA leaked personal info of farm and cattle facilities to environmental activists.
This scandal is the EPA version of the IRS's leak of National Organization for Marriage's records. A group of people (80,000 people) that some agency employees have reason not to like suddenly have their personal information show up in the hands of their political adversaries.
The EPA has asked environmental activist groups Earth Justice, the Natural Resources Defense Council, and the Pew Charitable Trust, to give the information back, but . . . c'mon. Come. On. I suppose at this point we should be grateful (?) the EPA's doing more than merely considering asking for the information back. No word on if anyone was disciplined for sending the personal information (it was inadvertently included in FOIA requests), but I wouldn't hold my breath. Come to think of it, I wonder if the groups that got the info also had their FOIA fees waived...
Four simultaneous scandals is the most of any agency we're talking about right now. It's gonna take a lot more attention before the EPA is forced to clean house. More than a couple congressional letters, I would think, which is why I'm writing about it now. I don't know if it's because EPA is relatively more popular than some of the other agencies embroiled in scandal now, or if these scandals simply affect fewer people directly, but this is probably the best chance we've had in a while to curtail EPA's prosperity-destroying activities.
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You were being ironic, right?
Posted by: The MSM, Now With 20% More Objectivity at June 07, 2013 02:20 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: steveegg at June 07, 2013 02:21 PM (o44nj)
Posted by: Cicero, DOCTOR of Jurisprudence and Shit at June 07, 2013 02:21 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: The MSM, Now With 20% More Objectivity at June 07, 2013 06:20 PM (8ZskC)
What's 1.2 * 0?
Posted by: steveegg at June 07, 2013 02:21 PM (o44nj)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 07, 2013 02:23 PM (YLiz5)
What is important is what she did with it, not its existence.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 07, 2013 02:23 PM (z4m16)
If Windsor was actually listed as an employee I wonder if there were required records attached to his file. I wonder if someone actually filled out false tax documents.
That would be the Shit to End All Shit™
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 07, 2013 02:23 PM (ujux6)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 07, 2013 02:23 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: dogfish at June 07, 2013 02:24 PM (qP1Pf)
And Lindsey Graham has invited you to join his staff.
Give these fucks NOTHING.
Posted by: Cicero, DOCTOR of Jurisprudence and Shit at June 07, 2013 02:24 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Martin Bashir at June 07, 2013 02:25 PM (3+QKS)
Posted by: Cicero, DOCTOR of Jurisprudence and Shit at June 07, 2013 02:26 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2013 02:26 PM (XYSwB)
Reasonable point. Of course you ignored my next statement.
Typical liberal.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 07, 2013 02:26 PM (z4m16)
What is important is what she did with it, not its existence.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 07, 2013 06:23 PM (z4m16)
Yes, no and kinda.If she had had a second private email like "Lisajackson43434" maybe, but it would need to be internally connected so that when a FOIA happened it'd pull both.
But that's not what happened. It was a completely fake alias.
Posted by: tsrblke at June 07, 2013 02:27 PM (GaqMa)
It was created by Nixon.
So we should start referring to it, as...'Nixon's EPA'.
The Left would hate that.
Posted by: wheatie at June 07, 2013 02:27 PM (ZiafE)
If a secret taxpayer financed man cave for use by Boehner or W or Romney was found in a secret warehouse, do you think we would have pictures of it by now? Where are our pictures of the man cave?
P.S. Was that man cave for their use during the work day?
I know that as far as the amount of money involved goes, this doesn't come anywhere near the money they wasted in supporting fraudulent green energy firms, but this is something that even the ignorati can understand.
Posted by: WalrusRex at June 07, 2013 02:29 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 07, 2013 02:29 PM (CQnAL)
Posted by: JEM at June 07, 2013 02:30 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: JohnKerryIsADoucheBag at June 07, 2013 02:30 PM (6sqK6)
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 07, 2013 02:31 PM (3+QKS)
Posted by: Infidel at June 07, 2013 02:32 PM (O/fK8)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 07, 2013 02:32 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: tsrblke at June 07, 2013 06:27 PM (GaqMa)
I see your point, but what is more important is what she was doing with it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 07, 2013 02:32 PM (z4m16)
Posted by: steevy at June 07, 2013 02:33 PM (9XBK2)
So we should start referring to it, as...'Nixon's EPA'.
The Left would hate that.
yabut, don't ignore the hysteria in the media about all the rampant environmental damage, and how the federal government had to do something to save the planet. Nixon had to sign on to, sign off on the EPA - OSHA - price controls -- take the dollar off the gold standard for the same reason Bill Clinton had to embrace welfare reform.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 07, 2013 02:33 PM (z7i/g)
19 How long until they blame this on Nixon?
But the Left loves the EPA.
They don't even like to acknowledge that Nixon created it...because they have so thoroughly demonized Nixon.
They are now trying with all their might to deny that there are any similarities between Barky and Nixon.
When the truth is...
Barky has weaponized Nixon's EPA --- something that even Nixon didn't think of doing.
Posted by: wheatie at June 07, 2013 02:33 PM (ZiafE)
Posted by: tony redenzo at June 07, 2013 02:34 PM (rGzAT)
Posted by: Tantorius Maximus at June 07, 2013 02:34 PM (IdBXy)
Posted by: Infidel at June 07, 2013 02:35 PM (O/fK8)
Wait...Obama came out and said there is no snooping by Big Brother, no discrimination by the EPA, no targeting by the IRS and the Left Wing Media agrees, so there is none. That's that and its it. Ipso facto. Nolo Contendre.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 07, 2013 02:36 PM (g5YAm)
Posted by: willow at June 07, 2013 02:37 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: willow at June 07, 2013 02:37 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 07, 2013 02:37 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Vic at June 07, 2013 02:39 PM (lZvxr)
Posted by: Lisa jackson at June 07, 2013 02:39 PM (XUKZU)
It's hysterical what country i thought i grew up in and the reality.
Posted by: willow at June 07, 2013 02:39 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 07, 2013 02:39 PM (GoIUi)
Another question. Since this Windsor dude received an "award" was he also receiving a paycheck? If so, who was cashing it?
***
Nice house you got there. Be terrible if a drone hit it.
Posted by: Lisa jackson at June 07, 2013 02:40 PM (XUKZU)
fcol i cannot keep up!
and i'm actually paying attention.
how would the LIV cope with this massive influx of information..
Posted by: willow at June 07, 2013 02:40 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: RWC at June 07, 2013 02:41 PM (Wl/Ht)
Posted by: RWC at June 07, 2013 02:43 PM (Wl/Ht)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 07, 2013 02:44 PM (4Mv1T)
http://tinyurl.com/m5qe6xn
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 07, 2013 02:44 PM (CQnAL)
WTH?
Hot ass ginger from The Walking Dead arrested for sending ricin letters?
***
Framed her husband after he filed for divorce. There goes the "right wing gun nut" theory.
Posted by: Lisa jackson at June 07, 2013 02:44 PM (XUKZU)
36...yabut, don't ignore the hysteria in the media about all the rampant environmental damage, and how the federal government had to do something to save the planet.
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Back when the EPA was created...we actually *did* need to do something about all the environmental damage.
We had toxic rivers with trash floating in them...paint shops pouring their waste into the ground surrounding their shops...to name just a couple of examples.
The EPA has served a good purpose, in a lot of areas.
But it's mission is being perverted now, and is being used as a weapon for political reasons.
This has nothing to do with 'saving the earth'.
The environmentalists themselves, should be pissed about this...if they have an ounce of integrity.
Posted by: wheatie at June 07, 2013 02:45 PM (ZiafE)
Posted by: tsrblke at June 07, 2013 06:27 PM (GaqMa)
I see your point, but what is more important is what she was doing with it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 07, 2013 06:32 PM (z4m16)
That's the problem, it's a secret
Posted by: The jackhole at June 07, 2013 02:45 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: RWC at June 07, 2013 02:46 PM (Wl/Ht)
Posted by: Jakov Smirnoff at June 07, 2013 02:47 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: RWC at June 07, 2013 02:47 PM (Wl/Ht)
Posted by: The jackhole at June 07, 2013 06:45 PM (nTgAI)
The e-mails must be archived. I would be surprised if they weren't.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 07, 2013 02:47 PM (z4m16)
There's major EPA scandal yet to be revealed. For decades they've been running a real estate swindle that has forced thousands of small businesses to close shop and lose everything.
It goes like this:
Small business is told to "cleanup" some non-existent or trivial problem and fines will be like $10,000/day and if you don't "comply", you'll be sued for $250k.
If you try to "comply", no effort is ever good enough because the test results will be faked...the $250k lawsuit ensues...which you can't possibly afford to defend against...
THEN...comes the "settlement offer" to make it all go away. EPA will say they have a 3rd party who graciously "volunteered" to "remediate" the site at their own expense...
...all you have to do is sign away the business and property and EPA will drop its ruinous lawsuits and criminal charges against you.
The 3rd party is invariably some big city lawyer. Once they take possession of the property, one barrel of supposed toxic waste is removed, and the property is declared "remediated" upon subsequent testing. Gosh, the problem wasn't nearly as bad as we thought!
This scenario has been quietly replayed thousands of times over the past 30 years ruining families and fortunes.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 07, 2013 02:48 PM (CIZja)
Posted by: willow at June 07, 2013 02:48 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 07, 2013 02:51 PM (YLiz5)
Posted by: steevy at June 07, 2013 02:51 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: free tibet at June 07, 2013 02:53 PM (eYcLs)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 07, 2013 02:54 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Minuteman at June 07, 2013 02:55 PM (dSE0q)
This scenario has been quietly replayed thousands of times over the past 30 years ruining families and fortunes.
Posted by: Purp
Oh, don't forget the state EPA as well. They might tell you to do the exact opposite of what the Feds tell you to do.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 07, 2013 02:55 PM (ujux6)
Posted by: Bubbles and Conky at June 07, 2013 02:55 PM (WolTZ)
Posted by: palerider at June 07, 2013 02:56 PM (dkExz)
Posted by: Minuteman at June 07, 2013 02:56 PM (dSE0q)
You're never going to get a majority to give a shit because they have no skin in that game.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 07, 2013 06:23 PM (YLiz5)
Yup. The LIVs won't give a shit about the EPA until they are hit with the rolling blackouts resulting from the evil coal plants being shut down with no alternative plants being stood up capable of making up the difference on the grid.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at June 07, 2013 02:57 PM (7xeJQ)
Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2013 02:58 PM (sdi6R)
66...This scenario has been quietly replayed thousands of times over the past 30 years ruining families and fortunes.
It's similar to the way that Eminent Domain has been used to steal people's land.
I hope that some of these people have told their stories to Sen. Ron Johnson's 'Victims of Government' site.
Posted by: wheatie at June 07, 2013 02:58 PM (ZiafE)
Posted by: wheatie at June 07, 2013 06:54 PM (ZiafE)
Me too! But he just changed it.
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 07, 2013 03:00 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/b][/i][/s] at June 07, 2013 03:01 PM (HsTG8)
Posted by: tony redenzo at June 07, 2013 03:01 PM (rGzAT)
86...Me too! But he just changed it.
Had to go look. ...Damn, he did.
I liked the other picture better, with Barky pointing his finger right at us, with a creepy look on his face.
Posted by: wheatie at June 07, 2013 03:04 PM (ZiafE)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2013 03:04 PM (iwHSQ)
Posted by: I'm lighting my torch now... at June 07, 2013 03:05 PM (ULH4o)
Posted by: CarolT at June 07, 2013 03:05 PM (s0f54)
Posted by: toby928© at June 07, 2013 03:10 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: ExPat Patriot at June 07, 2013 03:10 PM (LPbig)
Posted by: Northernlurker at June 07, 2013 03:11 PM (ieiyL)
http://bit.ly/rKtC6I
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at June 07, 2013 03:11 PM (Gk3SS)
This torrent of scandal is overwhelming, he said, stating the obvious. The common thread seems to be active targeting and persecution of conservatives and conservative organizations or--in the case of the EPA vs. farmers--typically conservative socioeconomic groups. (I view the Benghazi Incident and the Fast and Furious Operation as being placed in a different, higher category than 'scandal', although the number of dead bodies piled at the President's feet is genuinely scandalous.)
So far in all of these acts of Executive Branch malfeasance, I think maybe one IRS official has been asked to resign. To my knowledge, no arrests have been made anywhere for anything. No one has even been fired. In addition, no changes have been made to policy directives which would cancel IRS targeting practices. Certainly blanket surveillance of the American public is still going on.
So what now? Since Holder's DoJ is compromised, it would seem investigative responsibility devolves to Congress, where nothing happens and hearings go unreported. Remember Fast and Furious? Stonewalled and blocked, executive privilege invoked. Can anyone envision anything differently happening here?
Is there a lawyer or lawman in the Horde who can put us to some knowledge?
Posted by: troyriser at June 07, 2013 03:12 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: gekkobear at June 07, 2013 03:12 PM (nYHRn)
92 Wasn't the EPA one of the agencies Rick Perry wanted to dismiss?
Yeah, he said he would abolish it.
I hope he runs again.
And I hope he is taking some voice lessons, to try to minimize his Texas accent, so that he might be more 'acceptable' to those that found it offensive.
Posted by: wheatie at June 07, 2013 03:14 PM (ZiafE)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2013 07:04 PM (iwHSQ)
Shelter-in-place? oh, and send Marco Rubio $$
Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 07, 2013 03:16 PM (Cs2tJ)
Posted by: Yip at June 07, 2013 03:16 PM (/jHWN)
Posted by: Martin bAsshir at June 07, 2013 03:17 PM (PLOz8)
90 FenelonSpoke,
Limbaugh is wrong. Obama has not committed a coup. He was elected and re-elected. The people he has running the alphabet agencies were approved by congress. The media backs him. Congress backs him, or at least isn't doing much to stop him. The senior military leadership backs him.
He is doing exactly what he said he was going to do. Fundamentaly Transform America.
Sadly the majority is too stupid to know what that means.
Posted by: ExSnipe at June 07, 2013 03:17 PM (PBm/l)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 07, 2013 03:17 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: GatorGirl at June 07, 2013 03:19 PM (+BvPL)
Posted by: no good deed at June 07, 2013 03:19 PM (mjR67)
Posted by: runningrn at June 07, 2013 03:19 PM (PLOz8)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 07, 2013 03:20 PM (DPdf7)
108 Ariel Castro faces 329 charges....including 2 counts of murder of the unborn babies. His lawyer says he'll plead non guilty.
The guy is a monster.
He was caught red-handed with girls imprisoned in his house.
What's he gonna say? ...That those girls were there by choice?
Posted by: wheatie at June 07, 2013 03:21 PM (ZiafE)
Speaking of transparency, I'd like to know how much the coffee shop business has picked up in recent years.
Posted by: no good deed at June 07, 2013 03:21 PM (mjR67)
The whole Obama admin is a scandal.
Obama is a scandal.
He's an illegitimate president..in..every..sense..of..the..phrase.
Posted by: soothsayer at June 07, 2013 03:23 PM (LPRBM)
Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 07, 2013 03:23 PM (Cs2tJ)
Posted by: wheatie at June 07, 2013 07:21 PM (ZiafE)
I know right?!
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 07, 2013 03:24 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: steevy at June 07, 2013 03:24 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at June 07, 2013 03:26 PM (q177U)
Posted by: T. at June 07, 2013 03:26 PM (s6XYG)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at June 07, 2013 03:27 PM (Jhcmf)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 07, 2013 03:28 PM (CQnAL)
BREAKING: Santa Monica police chief: Suspect in series of shootings was shot to death by police .
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 07, 2013 03:28 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: LIV at June 07, 2013 03:29 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: toby928© Alabama Alumnus and Native Texan, now with twice the insufferability at June 07, 2013 03:30 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 07, 2013 03:30 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 07, 2013 03:31 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 07, 2013 03:32 PM (CQnAL)
Maybe I'm just getting too suspicious...
But I think that the 'Santa Monica shooter' thing...happening 3 miles from where Barky was speaking...is a little too convenient.
Moochelle gets heckled.
A shooter decides to start shooting people, near where Barky is today.
These are the sort of things that would make people sympathetic to the Potus and Flotus.
And also...a distraction.
Posted by: wheatie at June 07, 2013 03:32 PM (ZiafE)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2013 03:33 PM (iwHSQ)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 07, 2013 07:32 PM (CQnAL)
I think the presser was with the Santa Monica PD, right?
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 07, 2013 03:33 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: CarolT at June 07, 2013 03:33 PM (s0f54)
Posted by: FCF at June 07, 2013 03:34 PM (Khja4)
Posted by: Fritz at June 07, 2013 03:36 PM (G9Mmf)
135...I believe the GOP establishment is going to push Jeb
or that fat fool Christie, who should run as a dem in 2016.
No Jeb Bush.
No Christie.
No Rubio.
These guys would lose bigger than McCain or Romney.
I'd rather have Rick Perry...on drugs...than any of these guys.
Rick Perry, on drugs, would be a helluva lot better than what we have now.
Posted by: wheatie at June 07, 2013 03:40 PM (ZiafE)
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 07, 2013 03:44 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at June 07, 2013 03:44 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 07, 2013 03:45 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: CarolT at June 07, 2013 03:46 PM (s0f54)
Posted by: Christopher Swindell at June 07, 2013 03:46 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: runningrn at June 07, 2013 03:47 PM (PLOz8)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 07, 2013 03:47 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 07, 2013 03:47 PM (CQnAL)
Posted by: EC at June 07, 2013 03:49 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: Tami at June 07, 2013 07:37 PM (X6akg)
Whoa. More than one gunman says "terrorists" rather than "crazy-postal" to me.
Posted by: The Tree of Liberty at June 07, 2013 03:49 PM (vh67+)
145 Wheatie, I don't think Mochelle getting heckled was a distraction because the official transcript said there was a disturbance but left out details.
Yeah, see...that's the part that makes it suspect -- leaving out the details.
They want us to know that she was 'heckled' though.
Poor thing.
She doesn't do 'that'...well.
Posted by: wheatie at June 07, 2013 03:51 PM (ZiafE)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 07, 2013 03:52 PM (CQnAL)
Posted by: tony redenzo at June 07, 2013 03:53 PM (rGzAT)
nice.
well i guess it's all Worth it, now that they used that skill to get the lady ricin idiot.
Posted by: willow at June 07, 2013 03:59 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Ook? at June 07, 2013 04:00 PM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Alec Rawls at June 07, 2013 04:05 PM (kTTUz)
Whoa. More than one gunman says "terrorists" rather than "crazy-postal" to me
I don't know, that sounds like it could be gang violence to me or mob hit.
Posted by: runningrnWhoa. More than one gunman says "terrorists" rather than "crazy-postal" to me at June 07, 2013 04:26 PM (PLOz8)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 07, 2013 04:27 PM (DPdf7)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at June 07, 2013 04:52 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 07, 2013 05:22 PM (hHgxI)
Just saying, tons of the problems we're facing these days is because of how these folks are allowed to operate outside of common sense, if not also outside the law.
They should forfeit some of their organizational and political rights as part of correcting their abuse of their position. Anything less is akin to putting a bandaid over an ever growing cancer.
Posted by: Seipherd at June 08, 2013 02:29 PM (y9L1G)
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