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August 06, 2013

The Grievances and Disappointments of the New Aristocrats (A Continuing Series)
— Ace

Stace McCain has a post about a guy who now works for Chris Hughes, a FaceBook billionaire who bought the bastion of White Skin Privilege The New Republic, complaining that Jeff Bezos' purchase of The Washington Post means "the other guys had won..."

I invite you to read this with the following lens in mind: Consider this particular idiot's interest in maintaining the Privileges and Immunities of the New Class to which he belongs, and his anger at parvenue interlopers like Jeff Bezos threatening those Privileges and Immunities. The New Class is very proud of its central role in the drama called The American Political and Social Discussion. This is their status; this is their value.

And if outsiders claim to be worthy of playing roles in this scripted play? Well, that means less spotlight time for the New Class.

And look at Jeff Bezos. Why, you can practically smell the ink still drying on Bezos' money. I mean, rrrreally.

Is it so terrible that a self-made billionaire now owns the Post rather than a clan of heiresses and nepots? Yes it is, from his point of view, as those heiresses and nepots actually flatter his Class by pretending themselves to be on the same plane (that is, those of the actual higher class condescend to the New Class) whereas, well, who knows about this Bezos character with his weird thoughts about "profitable enterprises" and "capitalistic zeal."

And why no grousing about his own billionaire employer? Wellll... I'd imagine that Chris Huges, being a longtime and major Democratic fundraiser and supporter, has sufficiently made his bones, as they'd say in LCN, and thereby established and proven his fidelity to the New Class this wannabe aristocratic twit (sp?) belongs to.

And, Obama's on Leno tonight. He may be the first member of the media to ask Obama about terrorism, and maybe even the new Benghazi revelations.

And, Open Thread.

And, The Middle Class.

Posted by: Ace at 04:14 PM | Comments (232)
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1 New thread smell.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at August 06, 2013 04:16 PM (sQ0LB)

I would take back 90% of the mean things I've said about Leno if he gives Obama one non-softball question--and all of them if presses.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at August 06, 2013 04:17 PM (sQ0LB)

3 Remember that piece also in the New Republic, where one of the journolisters said internet publications are so much more noble then mere providers, then we found Facebook was one of the first on the PRISM bandwagon, good times.

Posted by: john smallberry at August 06, 2013 04:19 PM (Jsiw/)

well the old rich have always hated the new rich and it has always taken a few generations in the wash cycle for the new rich to become the old rich to start the hate all over again.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2013 04:19 PM (RZ8pf)

5 I'd like some of that there self drying money ink ... IYKWIMAITYD ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at August 06, 2013 04:20 PM (Wk9TK)

6 I think I'll just go kill myself.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 06, 2013 04:21 PM (lVPtV)

7 btw, ace, since I seem to have this thread to myself right now, I would like to see a post from your perspective on the rehab of GOP vs. bury it and start over for a new conservative/small "L" libertarian party. I'm not asking you to stake a position, but to go over some of the pros and cons from your standpoint. The sidebar article a couple days ago about how the GOP leadership has never been truly allied with the conservative base was a bit of an eye-opener for me, and I think your take would be interesting.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at August 06, 2013 04:21 PM (sQ0LB)

8 I bet Leno doesn't do any jokes about Obama having no grasp of the economy tonight.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 06, 2013 04:22 PM (PPqwm)

9 I would take back 90% of the mean things I've said about Leno if he gives Obama one non-softball question--and all of them if presses. Posted by: Conservative Crank at August 06, 2013 08:17 PM

He's more likely to ask a difficult question than just about anyone in the WH press corpse.

Posted by: huerfano at August 06, 2013 04:23 PM (bAGA/)

10 7 conservative crank,

thanks for the interest. I don't know if I have any thoughts beyond the very superficial ones I've already written (and most others have written too).

if I think of something I'll write something.

Posted by: ace at August 06, 2013 04:23 PM (/IWYB)

11 Preznit F U Golfshirt thinks that Class = Waygyu Beef and BodyMan Queef

.....ain't no "middlin'" bout any of that.

Posted by: ontherocks at August 06, 2013 04:23 PM (DrhMg)

12 Chris Hughes is a classic dinosaur conservative. As in - I got mine and no one else is allowed..... purely a selfish small soul prat.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2013 04:24 PM (vXdad)

13 ace, we all know you have more than superficial thoughts--well, those of us who actually make it through the movie reviews. Maybe if you throw in a bit about tossing Preibus into a volcano halfway through...

Posted by: Conservative Crank at August 06, 2013 04:24 PM (sQ0LB)

14 Jeff Bezos wears blue jeans.

Posted by: George Will at August 06, 2013 04:24 PM (iIGTI)

15
Leno

He's more likely to ask a difficult question than just about anyone in the WH press corpse.
That's not a whole lot to hang your hopes on.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 06, 2013 04:25 PM (MkZzi)

16 I just want to go back to Peruvia, where the middle class are the middle class and hos are nervous

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at August 06, 2013 04:25 PM (HVff2)

17 As in - I got mine and no one else is allowed... I feel that way about my husband.

Posted by: Adriane ... at August 06, 2013 04:26 PM (Wk9TK)

18 Well I'll watch on youtube if I hear that Leno asked any hard Qs. Its Jay's style to ask easy questions of his guests and unless he is annoyed that king Putt asked for the invite he isn't going to go against his normal style. I'm boycotting the show for the week because I'm annoyed that they are giving the JEPOS who surely loves to hear himself blab the airtime.

Posted by: palerider at August 06, 2013 04:26 PM (dkExz)

19 Leno has likely been threatened -really threatened- to only throw softballs at his new "buddy", Barry.

Posted by: David Wu at August 06, 2013 04:26 PM (a85rq)

20 That's not a whole lot to hang your hopes on.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 06, 2013 08:25 PM

What is this hope of which you speak?

Posted by: huerfano at August 06, 2013 04:26 PM (bAGA/)

21 >>>ace, we all know you have more than superficial thoughts--well, those of us who actually make it through the movie reviews

i don't have deep thoughts on political strategy. All i can note is the basic game-theory bits of it (Sacrifice for Hoped-For Future Advantage, etc.) which everyone knows.

Posted by: ace at August 06, 2013 04:26 PM (/IWYB)

22 Now put on ur thinkin' caps for a sec and say "Hey! They charged those terrorists from Benghazi today, the very same day that the bozo is on Leno".

There are no coinkidinks in ObozoLand.

Also, TFG wouldn't know fuck if it hit him in his mangina.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 06, 2013 04:27 PM (ccXZP)

23 Anyone see the story about MATT DAMON!! sending his kids to private school because this champion of public education believes that public schools are not progressive enough....in California....in Los Angeles.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at August 06, 2013 04:27 PM (b9K4P)

24 4 well the old rich have always hated the new rich and it has always taken a few generations in the wash cycle for the new rich to become the old rich to start the hate all over again. Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2013 08:19 PM (RZ8pf) The old rich don't like the idea of competition. They've made their fortune, and the last thing they want is for some young upstart to come along and knock them off their perch. That's why the old rich has always supported socialism.

Posted by: rickl at August 06, 2013 04:27 PM (sdi6R)

25 Posted by: David Wu Will you be on Leno as a special guest, Tiger?

Posted by: fluffy at August 06, 2013 04:28 PM (iIGTI)

26 15
Leno

He's more likely to ask a difficult question than just about anyone in the WH press corpse.
That's not a whole lot to hang your hopes on.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 06, 2013 08:25 PM (MkZzi)

Little hope is better than no hope. Gawd, even a paleoliberal like Jennings would have put some pressure on him by now (I respected PJ a lot--he took the job of news seriously at least). I was really hoping that Tapper might become THE network anchor for ABC, then there would be one actual reporter featured on non-Fox TV.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at August 06, 2013 04:29 PM (sQ0LB)

Open Thread? Okay, you want a blatant example of media bias, one that's irrefutable?

Remember when Bush nominated Negroponte, and all the Latin American gringo Satan crap was recirculated? Compare and contrast that with the media silence over Eric Holder's in-your-face sale of a pardon to fugitive Marc Rich. Total fucking media blackout, and now we're stuck with a criminal Attorney General. One who makes John Mitchell look like St. Thomas Aquinas.

Fuckers ought to be strung up.

Posted by: spongeworthy at August 06, 2013 04:29 PM (r5w1L)

28 Leno: Mr present, instead of my asking you questions we thought we'd let the audience ask you a few. Do you mind? *smug smile* Not at all Jay. Leno: Alright then,, umm, the blonde super model looking lady in the third row. What's your name and your question? Thanks Jay. My name is Christy Blinky...

Posted by: nothinglefttolose at August 06, 2013 04:29 PM (PNi9V)

29 parvenue

I gotta get me a thesaurus like Ace as got. [sic]

and speaking of Facebook, have you tried the new search function where you can find out how much metadata Facebook can supply to suggested searches about you? and you remember that NSA is collecting data 3 nodes away (so they say)

OH, and what do you want to bet that Bezo is getting into the news distribution business by setting up the WaPo as a subscription service for Kindle owners (so he gets a cut).. . . and just think of the market for online digital coupons! Ten cents off your favorite hot pocket, just take your kindle to the grocery and wave it at the scanner!

Posted by: Cookies Deleted at August 06, 2013 04:29 PM (Mvgud)

Living in the land of the new rich, it's funny how quickly men and women go from worn jeans and tee-shirts to Chanel and Armani. And how quickly their tastes evolve from cold pizza to molecular gastronomy. Public schools were good enough for them, but not for their offspring. And it is almost as cutthroat here in the Seattle area to get into the private schools as it is in NYC.

I always found it humorous to watch the transformation. And to see time and time again it played out that money does not buy you class.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2013 04:29 PM (RZ8pf)

Posted by: ace at August 06, 2013 08:26 PM (/IWYB)

Eh,

Sounds like you're in the boat with the rest of us then.

Torn between the desire to tell the political class to shove it up their asses, and the realization that it would mean at least a generation of democrat/progressive control.

I'm not sure that's a "lack of deep thought" as much as it's the complexity of the reality on the ground.

I'd note this though:

Even if we have just half a generation more of democrat control, I fear there's no future left for us to preserve.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 06, 2013 04:29 PM (GaqMa)

32 Will you be on Leno as a special guest, Tiger?

Click my link to find out. It's full of useful information.

Posted by: David Wu at August 06, 2013 04:30 PM (a85rq)

33 Many moons ago I had a conversation with a chick (college frat party, toga optional) where we talked about New Money versus Old Money. I said, essentially, money is money. She was quite insistent that, no, Old Money was infinitely superior, wot, and that only Old Money had aged properly. I can honestly say that that was the first and only time I met a chick I actually wanted to punch in the throat.

We didn't date.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 06, 2013 04:30 PM (eHIJJ)

34 ace, I think it's as much philosophy as strategy, though I understand your perspective.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at August 06, 2013 04:30 PM (sQ0LB)

35 There is NO crease in Jeff Bezos' pants!!!1!!!!!1!1

Posted by: David Brooks at August 06, 2013 04:30 PM (7DjJ0)

36 Someone's in the kitchen with Sydney Someone's in the kitchen I know oh oh! Someone's in the kitchen with Sydney Strumming on her old banjo...

Posted by: Waldo at August 06, 2013 04:31 PM (tCBZk)

37 >And, Obama's on Leno tonight. He may be the first member of the media to ask Obama about terrorism, and maybe even the new Benghazi revelations.

Don't count on it

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 06, 2013 04:31 PM (8sCoq)

38 Matthews was losing his mud about this tonight as well. The gauche and possibly *gasp* less than far left new owner of the Post taking over for true, straight down the middle, news titans like the Grahams. Worse, the detestable Koch brothers circling the Chicago Trib and other papers. He wasn't just disgusted he was downright scared. Kind of nice.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2013 04:32 PM (g1DWB)

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2013 08:29 PM (RZ8pf)

meanwhile Sam Walton made a bunch of Arkansas hicks richer than half of Seattle.

And yet they still run around in overalls.

Having said that, in more than a few places they've restored the crap out of their old city squares. With the gas lamps back, it's a might bit pretty if I do say so myself.

It's all about location I suppose.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 06, 2013 04:32 PM (GaqMa)

40 That Chris Hughes, he's just old, mossy, sediment encrusted money,isn't he? He's positively John Housemanesque in his Brahmin authenticity and deep pedigree.Bezos earrrrrrrrrned it, but he still will be faced with a dogshit business that only caters to those inside the bureaucracy and media.If we take a more cynical view and say that Jeffy bought the WaPo to be his lobbying arm, then this could be a good investment, but then that means he'll put his customer goodwill at Amazon in jeopardy if he decides he wants to be a player and push policy.

Posted by: soupcon at August 06, 2013 04:33 PM (JQ9VE)

41 He wasn't just disgusted he was downright scared. Kind of nice. Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2013 08:32 PM (g1DWB) Scared and drunk....and still stupid.

Posted by: BignJames at August 06, 2013 04:33 PM (20Mmk)

42 Kevin Williamson NAILS "The Front Man" @ TNR
Unlike VDH's piece of yesterday, he demonstrates how HRH Golfshirt WILL have a lasting effect.

.......longish but worth the time or bookmark it for latah

http://tinyurl.com/ksqnnfy

Posted by: ontherocks at August 06, 2013 04:33 PM (DrhMg)

43
Yes it was quite the quandry for Matt Damon!!! to send his kids to private school because the LA public schools were too darn conservative and that they are the mind numbing suck.

But mostly because they are the mind numbing suck.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 06, 2013 04:34 PM (qM18f)

44 34 ace, I think it's as much philosophy as strategy, though I understand your perspective.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at August 06, 2013 08:30 PM (sQ0LB)

Expanding on that--hell, if I could do political strategy well (as opposed to the amoral money whores who pass for GOP consultants currently), I'd be running the damn GOP for conservatives.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at August 06, 2013 04:34 PM (sQ0LB)

45 Matt Damon was allowed to breed? Damn.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 06, 2013 04:35 PM (HzD3b)

46 My greatest political triumph of the last three years was at a hipster party in San Francisco in 2010, where a young woman, between sips of microbrewed pilzner, said something like "I just don't understand what this Tea Party even is. I mean, I know I'm supposed to hate them, but I can't even get what they're trying to do." So I proceeded to explain to her that the Tea Party was a class rebellion -- individualists and workers and self-sufficient people trying to throw off the yoke of the cultural and political aristocracy, who oppress the middle class with derision and taxation. Well, it sounded better than that at the time - - so good, in fact, that she "grokked" my weltangshauung, and I saw the light go on in her soul. When she wavered and expressed mystification about how the "squares" could become the rebels and vice versa, I sealed the deal by explaining to her that many of the folks in the Tea Party ARE former hippies and beats, just now older and wiser; and that the oppressors are the grandchildren of the old-school blue-bloods, they just now wear the mantle of "social justice," which is a euphemism for totalitarianism. By party's end, she was a full convert.

Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2013 04:36 PM (+cx5n)

47 Anyone want to own a Quik-Stop on Kos Island Greece?
http://www.landwatch.com/Kos-Island-Greece-Land-for-sale/pid/172267051

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2013 04:36 PM (vXdad)

48 Pardon me. Do you have any Grey Poupon?

Posted by: Roland THTG at August 06, 2013 04:36 PM (qyoyx)

49 But letÂ’s not kid ourselves here: The company that made him one of the richest men in the world has had a less than benign impact on our nation. It has devastated the publishing industry, from the big presses to the small booksellers. It has exacerbated the growth of the low-wage economy, to the point where the president feels the need to celebrate an increase in warehouse jobs that will pay barely more than minimum wage. . . . Competition is such a bitch. The nerve.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at August 06, 2013 04:36 PM (dvRYt)

50 >>Scared and drunk....and still stupid. Well yea, that was implied. I don't know why more of you don't watch. The comedic value of listening to Matthews describe the world he lives in is priceless. Plus, one day he is going to absolutely lose it and it will be must see TV.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2013 04:37 PM (g1DWB)

Leno has likely been threatened -really threatened- to only throw softballs at his new "buddy", Barry.

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Leno doesn't really ask those kinds of questions anyway. It's not his job. He's there largely to throw softballs and make his guests look good.

Posted by: junior at August 06, 2013 04:37 PM (UWFpX)

52 tsrblke, I do think it is about location. And insecurity too. In the 90s when people were first getting flat out rich here because of Microsoft they still were mostly casual--the banks around here were told not to judge customers by how they were dressed for example. But, it seems like in the last 10 years or so status has become more and more important. You have to be in the right clothes, belong to the right club, eat at the right restaurants, contribute to the right charities. And, of course be a Democrat. Flat out, no exceptions there.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2013 04:37 PM (RZ8pf)

Posted by: Purp at August 06, 2013 08:35 PM (HzD3b)

Only the connected get breeders licenses in Obama's new America.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 06, 2013 04:37 PM (GaqMa)

54 Lauren, did you just pink me on FB?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2013 04:38 PM (vXdad)

55 If you feel the need to flash it, you ain't there yet.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 06, 2013 04:38 PM (HzD3b)

56 As I've always said, we will bring the people responsible for Benghazi to justice.

Posted by: King Barky, buttered shit wouldn't melt in my mouth at August 06, 2013 04:38 PM (ccXZP)

57 Why the hell would Leno give two shits about interrogating President Airhead? It'll be all glad handing and tee box backslapping.

"Mr. President, if I had a slice like that, I'd expect a call from the Otto Rohwedder estate lawyers for infringement."

Posted by: Fritz at August 06, 2013 04:38 PM (K7xnX)

58 eerr ping me

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2013 04:38 PM (vXdad)

59 Hughes, was the advertising manager for Facebook, but he was part of Obama's outreach through that outlet

Posted by: john smallberry at August 06, 2013 04:38 PM (Jsiw/)

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2013 08:37 PM (RZ8pf)

Oh ho do I ever know. I can only stand Seattle in 4 day runs because everyone there is so cocksure.

It's like the West coast DC.

At least in LA they just flaunt their money.

In Seattle they pretend their better than you about EVERYTHING.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 06, 2013 04:38 PM (GaqMa)

By party's end, she was a full convert.

Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2013 08:36 PM (+cx5n

inspiring story--would that others were open minded enough to even entertain the discussion.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at August 06, 2013 04:38 PM (sQ0LB)

Bezos should just call this purchase a 'charitable contribution'.

Then maybe the people like Chris Hughes will calm down about it.

A charitable contribution is about what it is anyway...since Wapo has been losing money for the cause for so long.

Posted by: wheatie at August 06, 2013 04:38 PM (weSmW)

63 23 Anyone see the story about MATT DAMON!! sending his kids to private school because this champion of public education believes that public schools are not progressive enough....in California....in Los Angeles. Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at August 06, 2013 08:27 PM (b9K4P) He bought a very expensive house in a very expensive part of LA: http://goo.gl/CJ3gq0 He may be right -- his kids may not get a prog education but merely an excellent one.

Posted by: Waldo at August 06, 2013 04:39 PM (tCBZk)

64 Conservative Crank: "hell, if I could do political strategy well (as opposed to the amoral money whores who pass for GOP consultants currently), I'd be running the damn GOP for conservatives."

By definition, no you wouldn't. Because Stupid Party.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 06, 2013 04:39 PM (eHIJJ)

65 I'm not quite sure what ace is getting at?

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at August 06, 2013 04:39 PM (WmLrU)

66 Did he whine about the "other guys" winning when Carlos "Slim" bought the NYT? Or would that have been racist.

Posted by: Jean at August 06, 2013 04:39 PM (CMlD4)

67 I wanna get pinked!

Posted by: Roland THTG at August 06, 2013 04:39 PM (qyoyx)

68 Can someone explain why these self made bus people are always libs?

Posted by: UncleZeb at August 06, 2013 04:39 PM (Nvirt)

69
is this also the AoS Grievance and Disappointments thrad?

Posted by: soothsayer at August 06, 2013 04:39 PM (GcwH1)

70 It's going to be ugly--will have a full on primary while Hillary gets anointed and /or the boys do an end run around here and back Cuomo. Democrats win again, we defeat ourselves because we hate nothing more than each other. Fin.

Posted by: tasker at August 06, 2013 04:40 PM (r2PLg)

71 That's an inspiring tale, Zombie, but what we really want to know is if you fucked her?

Posted by: soupcon at August 06, 2013 04:40 PM (JQ9VE)

I always found it humorous to watch the transformation. And to see time and time again it played out that money does not buy you class.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2013 08:29 PM (RZ8pf)

When I was young Sailor stationed in Norfolk in the early 80's... a friend of mine had an 'in' with the Hampton set... got into a LOT of highbrow old money type parties... them women all wanted to marry Old money.... but sleep with us....

Always found that amusing...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 06, 2013 04:41 PM (teaad)

73 Well, the WaPo and its "externalities" put the town crier out of business - no lament for him, huh?

Posted by: Alec Leamas at August 06, 2013 04:41 PM (Nfpnr)

74 >>Lauren, did you just pink me on FB?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2013 08:38 PM (vXdad)

POIDH

Posted by: ontherocks at August 06, 2013 04:41 PM (DrhMg)

Yes it was quite the quandry for Matt Damon!!! to send his kids to private school because the LA public schools were too darn conservative and that they are the mind numbing suck.

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Speaking of Matt Damon, somehow I got it into my head that the "rich" people in his new flick, Elysium, are all hypocritical Greens who have followed things to through to their natural course - i.e. the Greens living in their non-sustainable party atmosphere while the rest of the world slaves away in a devestated hell hole largely of the Greens' making.

Yes, I know that's not how the movie is intended to be seen. But I can't shake that view no matter how hard I try.

Posted by: junior at August 06, 2013 04:41 PM (UWFpX)

76 *we'll" have a full on primary

Posted by: tasker at August 06, 2013 04:42 PM (r2PLg)

77 It has devastated the publishing industry, from the big presses to the small booksellers.

Indeed. There was horrific fallout in the buggy and harness industry due to that horrible man Ford.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 06, 2013 04:42 PM (HzD3b)

78 33 Many moons ago I had a conversation with a chick (college frat party, toga optional) where we talked about New Money versus Old Money. I said, essentially, money is money. She was quite insistent that, no, Old Money was infinitely superior, wot, and that only Old Money had aged properly. I can honestly say that that was the first and only time I met a chick I actually wanted to punch in the throat. We didn't date. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 06, 2013 08:30 PM (eHIJJ) Opportunity missed, angry blow job are so much better

Posted by: Jean at August 06, 2013 04:42 PM (CMlD4)

79 *looks around carefully*

I'd like to say that Amanda Marcotte is really kinda cute - if you get her in the right light.

Posted by: Muad'dib at August 06, 2013 04:45 PM (mHjMr)

80 CHRIS MATTHEWS: How do you talk to a guy with an axe handle? MARK GLAZE: Well, you fight him. You run away. You deescalate the situation. ------- A man who beat a South Boston grandmother to death with a baseball bat was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole yesterday in Suffolk Superior Court. -------- And yet the fuckers still think an inanimate object is to blame.

Posted by: RWC at August 06, 2013 04:46 PM (8FeS+)

81 You know, at this point I'm actually feeling a little respect for Sydney Leathers. She has the self awareness to recognize that she's tawdry.

Not only does Weiner lack that self-awareness, he got outsmarted by her. She sent him a message on FB AFTER his scandal, knowing he couldn't resist. She played him perfectly and kept all the evidence. She'll probably have a six figure income this year, and I bet she's never had a year like that, even with the prostitution.

Don't get me wrong: I wouldn't sleep with her more than once, and not at my place. But the chick in the masturbation video actually comes out of this scandal looking like your garden-variety kid who's been damaged by a lack of relationship with her father.

Weiner and Huma? They look like incurable psychopaths.

Posted by: Oschisms at August 06, 2013 04:47 PM (pfVS8)

82 Basically he hates Bezos for representing a mass market model that threatens his coastal boutique mentality.

Posted by: zsasz, Banal Drivelist at August 06, 2013 04:47 PM (MMC8r)

83 Jean: "Opportunity missed, angry blow job are so much better"

With that mouth? Nosiree bob. It was connected to that brain. Only herpes could explain her apparent dementia.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 06, 2013 04:47 PM (eHIJJ)

84 46 By party's end, she was a full convert. Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2013 08:36 PM (+cx5n) Great job, zombie.

Posted by: rickl at August 06, 2013 04:48 PM (sdi6R)

85 When Jay Leno is our last best hope....

Posted by: Lauren at August 06, 2013 04:48 PM (ELdpj)

86 And yet the fuckers still think an inanimate object is to blame.

Posted by: RWC at August 06, 2013 08:46 PM (8FeS+)

I demand a bat registry...NOW...FOR THE CHILDREN!

Posted by: Red Shirt at August 06, 2013 04:49 PM (FIDMq)

87 71 That's an inspiring tale, Zombie, but what we really want to know is if you fucked her? Posted by: soupcon First you'd have to know my gender; then you'd have to know my orientation. So you got a 50-50 chance. If I'm a straight woman -- no. If I'm a gay woman -- yes. If I'm a gay man -- no. If I'm a straight man -- yes. Actually, just this morning I decided to switch genders three or four times, from "queer and questioning" to "flamboyante and light in the loafers," ending up on "bull-dyke with mad cow," so by now even I'm confused.

Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2013 04:50 PM (+cx5n)

Speaking of Leno...

Got a friend who works for his show (she's *not* happy with NBC right now...). She posted some pics on Facebook. Nothing of the actual show, but a couple other odds and ends from the president's visit.

Posted by: junior at August 06, 2013 04:50 PM (UWFpX)

89 He has spent the past five years methodically testing the limits of what he can get away with

Thank you ontherocks and thank you Kevin Williamson.
good piece.

Posted by: Cookies Deleted at August 06, 2013 04:50 PM (Mvgud)

90 Both Old and New Money starve during the Burning Times, because --surprise! -- one cannot money.

Posted by: RS at August 06, 2013 04:51 PM (YAGV/)

91 >>Actually, just this morning I decided to switch genders three or four times Dawn?

Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2013 04:51 PM (g1DWB)

Actually, just this morning I decided to switch genders three or four times, from "queer and questioning" to "flamboyante and light in the loafers," ending up on "bull-dyke with mad cow," so by now even I'm confused.

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You don't happen to be employed by ABC's news department, do you...?

Posted by: junior at August 06, 2013 04:51 PM (UWFpX)

93 MFM delenda est. Needed to get that in again today and, hey, here's a post about how much the MFM sucks. What a coincidence.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at August 06, 2013 04:52 PM (qyfb5)

94 I'd like a movie where parents, desperate from the shitty education their kids are getting in public schools, don robotic exo-suits and drive their minivans through a hail of gunfire sanctioned by a priggish school administrator (who looks like Jodie Foster) into Sidwell Friends or Matt Damon's (heartbreakingly choosen) new choice in education for his kids.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at August 06, 2013 04:52 PM (dvRYt)

95 Dawn? Posted by: JackStraw As of today, I prefer "Donne."

Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2013 04:53 PM (+cx5n)

96 I can't wait for Matt Damon to shout "we are the 99%" before he robs the evil people of Elysium.

Posted by: no good deed at August 06, 2013 04:53 PM (WmLrU)

97 Actually, just this morning I decided to switch genders three or four times, from "queer and questioning" to "flamboyante and light in the loafers," ending up on "bull-dyke with mad cow," so by now even I'm confused.

Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2013 08:50 PM

Don/Dawn Ennis?

Posted by: huerfano at August 06, 2013 04:53 PM (bAGA/)

98 Nice to see the great zombie pop in, and with an inspiring story to boot!

Posted by: Ian S. at August 06, 2013 04:54 PM (OevbG)

99 Actually, the best case scenario for Leno tonight is this. Obama is such a target rich environment that he can't not toss in at least one barb. So he'll do something in the monologue. Then Obama makes a remark about it while he's on, showing just how thin-skinned he is, or (though no way this happens) he refuses to go on. I think even the average LIV would see that and feel some dislike for the man.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at August 06, 2013 04:54 PM (sQ0LB)

100 Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at August 06, 2013 08:52 PM (dvRYt) Nice

Posted by: RWC at August 06, 2013 04:54 PM (8FeS+)

101 CHRIS MATTHEWS: How do you talk to a guy with an axe handle?

You say : "Hello Lester"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 06, 2013 04:56 PM (MkZzi)

102 Gay woman?

Posted by: tasker at August 06, 2013 04:56 PM (r2PLg)

103 The Washington Post is a terrible paper. It always was bad in that it was reliably leftist editorially. But now that bias has spread out to cover all of Section A over the years. The Sports Section is a bright spot, but it's had better days. The Business Section was always a sick joke. If you'd have followed it for 20 years, you'd still have little idea of the business doings of and around DC based on it. The Metro Section is often the best part of the paper, because here is where the amazing cast of miscreants and clowns who populate local governments in and around DC show up for their investigations, indictments, various scandals. But of course, every single one of those is brought to office thanks in no small part to a wise, civic-minded WaPo endorsement.

Posted by: Cowboy at August 06, 2013 04:57 PM (m5TOl)

104 weltanschauung

I love you guys, serious. These big words, these new words are why I tolerate all the crap.

Posted by: Cookies Deleted at August 06, 2013 04:57 PM (Mvgud)

105 Don't know how much this should be a concern.. or relevant to the new nsa, fbi dea stuff.

The CIA is on the verge of signing a cloud computing contract with Amazon, (BEZO) worth up to $600 million over 10 years, reports Frank Konkel at Federal Computer week.

If the details about this deal are true, it could be a game-changer for the enterprise cloud market.

ThatÂ’s because Amazon Web Services will help the CIA build a Â“private cloudÂ” filled with technologies like big data, reports Konkel, citing unnamed sources.

Posted by: willow at August 06, 2013 04:58 PM (nqBYe)

106 @99: Obama bursts out from backstage after the joke crying and then says "there IS one way old white men can make me feel better" and starts unzipping his pants before they cut to Chris Matthews holding a MIB memory eraser.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 06, 2013 04:58 PM (OevbG)

107

How do you talk to a guy with an Axe Handle???

Simple... every redneck knows..... you just say "Here.... hold my beer" while you run away!

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 06, 2013 04:59 PM (teaad)

108 at a hipster party in San Francisco in 2010, where a young woman, between sips of microbrewed pilzner, said something like "I just don't understand what this Tea Party even is. I mean, I know I'm supposed to hate them, but I can't even get what they're trying to do." Oh, a million million times this. I cannot tell you how many people like this I've seen. By party's end, she was a full convert. Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2013 08:36 PM (+cx5n) The question is, did she turn on MSNBC when she got home and instantly reverted. That's what happened to all my "converts," a week later they were back on the reservation. I have quit talking people down off the ledge because they always end up back there staring down and not knowing why.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at August 06, 2013 04:59 PM (qyfb5)

109 oops, @Business Insider

Posted by: willow at August 06, 2013 04:59 PM (nqBYe)

110 OT, but I heard on ESPN Radio today that Illinois actually taxes visiting pro athletes for the time they spend playing within state lines. They specifically mentioned that A-Rod will pay the state $22,000 for playing against the White Sox this week. They also mentioned that it was only athletes, so for example even a loaded coach like Urban Meyer would not get taxed for coaching the Buckeyes if they played at Illinois.

What I'm curious about is does it apply to *all* pro athletes? I don't care about A-Fraud or other big-leaguers, but most minor league baseball --and hockey-- players are pretty much paycheck-to-paycheck, so it's kinda chintzy for Illinois to do this. But that's what happens when the beast of government has devoured its stores and starts looking around before even considering tamping down the appetite.

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 05:00 PM (3VBXw)

111 .....I fear there's no future left for us to preserve. Posted by: tsrblke This is where I keep coming back to, I try to look for hopeful signs, something to hang my hat on... But I keep coming back to this. The thought of what we will look like in 20 years is chilling.

Posted by: Orlandocon at August 06, 2013 05:01 PM (SldZ2)

112 Damon will send his oldest kid to either Harvard-Westlake or Malborough. Both cost over 32k a year.

Posted by: Waldo at August 06, 2013 05:01 PM (tCBZk)

113 @110: I think some cities do that too.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 06, 2013 05:01 PM (OevbG)

114 >>> What I'm curious about is does it apply to *all* pro athletes? It's standard practice, to the best of my limited knowledge. Tax returns must be a severe pain.

Posted by: fluffy at August 06, 2013 05:03 PM (iIGTI)

115 But I keep coming back to this. The thought of what we will look like in 20 years is chilling. Posted by: Orlandocon at August 06, 2013 09:01 PM (SldZ2) This is why people play "Fallout: New Vegas." It's not just a game, it's preparing for the future. Honestly, for the average person, 20 years from now will *probably* be just a little more boring and frightening than today, and poorer - it's usually the fringes that get stomped. That's almost more tragic - it won't be Mad Max or Elysium, it will be Wild Palms.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at August 06, 2013 05:03 PM (qyfb5)

116 As I sat waiting for The Wolverine (meh) to begin and that Matt Damon!!!! OWS infomercial came on I looked around and wondered how many people in that theatre absorbed that crap with a completely uncritical eye. Scary.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at August 06, 2013 05:03 PM (dvRYt)

117 106 @99: Obama bursts out from backstage after the joke crying and then says "there IS one way old white men can make me feel better" and starts unzipping his pants before they cut to Chris Matthews holding a MIB memory eraser.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 06, 2013 08:58 PM (OevbG)

You owe the horde a bottle of brain bleach.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at August 06, 2013 05:05 PM (sQ0LB)

118 They upped Powerball by another 25 million. So, if you take the lump sum, you're looking at 244,700,00 before taxes.

Posted by: Waldo at August 06, 2013 05:07 PM (tCBZk)

119 68 Can someone explain why these self made bus people are always libs? Posted by: UncleZeb at August 06, 2013 08:39 PM (Nvirt) ____________ The ones that get politically involved are always libs. Why con billionaires don't get politically involved is the real question.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 05:08 PM (HDgX3)

120 114 >>> What I'm curious about is does it apply to *all* pro athletes?

It's standard practice, to the best of my limited knowledge. Tax returns must be a severe pain.

Posted by: fluffy at August 06, 2013 09:03 PM (iIGTI)

--It sounds like a Take That! since so many greedy jurisdictions resent players living in states like Florida or Texas with no income taxes. Plus, if it applies only to top league athletes, it seems to violate the principle of taxing a very specific and narrow subgroup.

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 05:08 PM (3VBXw)

121 So I've been unplugged most of the day, what fresh hell hath the day brung?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at August 06, 2013 05:09 PM (GEICT)

122 Why con billionaires don't get politically involved is the real question. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 09:08 PM (HDgX3) http://bit.ly/12tjyxC "Frank Vandersloot: I'm Not The Only Major Mitt Romney Donor Audited." Hell, you can't get to be a billionaire these days unless you pay enough protection money to know who's in charge of the racket.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at August 06, 2013 05:11 PM (qyfb5)

123 110 OT, but I heard on ESPN Radio today that Illinois actually taxes visiting pro athletes for the time they spend playing within state lines. They specifically mentioned that A-Rod will pay the state $22,000 for playing against the White Sox this week. They also mentioned that it was only athletes, so for example even a loaded coach like Urban Meyer would not get taxed for coaching the Buckeyes if they played at Illinois. What I'm curious about is does it apply to *all* pro athletes? Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 09:00 PM (3VBXw) ________________ All states do this. And not just baseball players. Anyone who works in multiple states during the year is **supposed** to pay taxes in all the states. Of course most people don't because they a) don't think they have to or b) figure nobody will catch them. For a MLB player though who makes $10K a night and is on TV doing it, it's a little harder to get away with and

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 05:11 PM (HDgX3)

124 Besides being nouveau riche, Bezos is also Greek, which really makes him NOKD ("Not Our Kind, Darling").

Posted by: Also Greek So I Can Say That at August 06, 2013 05:12 PM (FDGeg)

125 "Frank Vandersloot: I'm Not The Only Major Mitt Romney Donor Audited." Hell, you can't get to be a billionaire these days unless you pay enough protection money to know who's in charge of the racket. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 06, 2013 09:11 PM (qyfb5) ___________ This was the case long before Obama sent the IRS after his opponents. Ultra rich libs use their money to advance liberalism. Ultra rich cons use their money to....damned if I know.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 05:14 PM (HDgX3)

126 Have some fresh-baked middle-class cherry bars, y'all. 'cause middle class.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 06, 2013 05:17 PM (hO8IJ)

127 if you workin NYC, but live in new Jersey, you pay NYC tax, NY state tax,and NJ state tax

Posted by: Brick at August 06, 2013 05:17 PM (LtZFb)

128 One possibility--Bezos just may be trying to get cover for the flanks. It will be needed moving ahead--"hi, I'm from the cosmocrat elite class and we are here to help you exploit space in the approved fashion."

Posted by: Dr. Falken at August 06, 2013 05:18 PM (G3dgr)

129 ooo, cherry bars sound really yummy. But I would prefer upper class ones, got any of those?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2013 05:18 PM (RZ8pf)

130 >>Why con billionaires don't get politically involved is the real question. Not really that surprising to me. Conservatives basically want government to perform their enumerated duties and leave us the hell alone. They want to live their lives doing what they love. Liberals want government to run pretty much every aspect of their lives. They LOVE government. So why not join?

Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2013 05:18 PM (g1DWB)

131 But I would prefer upper class ones, got any of those?

I'll ask the butler.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 06, 2013 05:19 PM (hO8IJ)

132 All states do this. And not just baseball players. Anyone who works in multiple states during the year is **supposed** to pay taxes in all the states. Of course most people don't because they a) don't think they have to or b) figure nobody will catch them. For a MLB player though who makes $10K a night and is on TV doing it, it's a little harder to get away with and

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 09:11 PM (HDgX3)

--That's insane. Still, it seems there's a specific law in IL targeting the players but not coaches. Your typical scrub who is playing Single-A baseball should not have to hire an accountant because he played in seven different states in one year. The Fair Tax is looking better and better by the day. As we have noted over and over, it's not just that taxes are high; they're byzantine.

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 05:22 PM (3VBXw)

133 131 But I would prefer upper class ones, got any of those? ---------- I'll ask the butler. Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ at August 06, 2013 09:19 PM (hO8IJ) Raaaaacist

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at August 06, 2013 05:22 PM (GEICT)

134 I gotta get me a thesaurus like Ace as got. *** Simple enough. Just find a mosquito that has been fossilized in amber after gorging on thesaurus blood, extract and clone the thesaurus DNA.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, aka Dr. Who, What, Where,When and Why at August 06, 2013 05:22 PM (pxDth)

135 That or use a time machine.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, aka Dr. Who, What, Where,When and Why at August 06, 2013 05:23 PM (pxDth)

136 >>> As we have noted over and over, it's not just that taxes are high; they're byzantine. Preach it, Brother!

Posted by: Jimmy McMillan at August 06, 2013 05:24 PM (iIGTI)

137 Ultra rich cons use their money to....damned if I know.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 09:14 PM (HDgX3)

--It's sad that nowadays just reinvesting in one's business is not enough. You gotta play ball to keep the sharks away (pardon the mixed metaphor).

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 05:24 PM (3VBXw)

138 I saw The Grievances and Disappointments open for Radiohead in 1995.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 06, 2013 05:25 PM (1PZGo)

139 He may be the first member of the media to ask Obama about terrorism, and maybe even the new Benghazi revelations.

Personally, I kind of doubt it. Jay isn't stupid. I'm sure he's well aware of the unpleasantness that may be in store for anyone who makes Chicago Jesus uncomfortable.

Posted by: The Third Horseman Of The Apocalypse at August 06, 2013 05:26 PM (Dwehj)

140 Consider this particular idiot's interest in maintaining the Privileges and Immunities of the New Class to which he belongs, and his anger at parvenue interlopers like Jeff Bezos threatening those Privileges and Immunities. The New Class is very proud of its central role in the drama called The American Political and Social Discussion. This is their status; this is their value. This is very similar to Burke's view of the Jacobins of the French Revolution. A bunch of relatively nouveau riche think they can do everything better than everyone before them, and so seek to destroy society in order to remake it in their superior wisdomÂ… Didn't work out to spiffy for the French. Ain't gonna work too well here.

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 06, 2013 05:27 PM (Vk2pI)

141 Still, it seems there's a specific law in IL targeting the players but not coaches. Your typical scrub who is playing Single-A baseball should not have to hire an accountant because he played in seven different states in one year. The Fair Tax is looking better and better by the day. As we have noted over and over, it's not just that taxes are high; they're byzantine. Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 09:22 PM (3VBXw) _______ But come on, this is ESPN reporting "the facts". Not exactly the most credible source for tax code interpretation. I really doubt IL has a "only athletes pay tax" law.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 05:30 PM (HDgX3)

142 This is very similar to Burke's view of the Jacobins of the French Revolution. A bunch of relatively nouveau riche think they can do everything better than everyone before them, and so seek to destroy society in order to remake it in their superior wisdomÂ…

Didn't work out to spiffy for the French. Ain't gonna work too well here.

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 06, 2013 09:27 PM (Vk2pI)

--Not to mention (a read of Paul Johnson's Intellectuals will give you a taste) many of these people have personal lives that are dumpster fires. Same goes for a lot of Type A personalities who have achieved success in business. Sure, Donald Trump is rich, but how many of us would want to switch *only* our family lives with him? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 05:30 PM (3VBXw)

143 OT: I see that Spitzer's opponent for comptroller, the madam of his former whore house, has just been arrested for selling drugs to an undercover cop. Democrats! You can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 06, 2013 05:30 PM (VlXYw)

144 I'm pretty sure athletes get taxed for the states they play in, for that game. That's why many sports broadcasters refer to game checks. Also why teams in Texas have an advantage, a contract is worth more. For the NFL, I think you wanna be in the AFC south.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at August 06, 2013 05:31 PM (b9K4P)

145 Not really that surprising to me. Conservatives basically want government to perform their enumerated duties and leave us the hell alone. They want to live their lives doing what they love. Liberals want government to run pretty much every aspect of their lives. They LOVE government. So why not join? Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2013 09:18 PM (g1DWB) ___________ Good point.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 05:31 PM (HDgX3)

146 The Grievances and Disappointments of the New Aristocrats (A Continuing Series)

--As an aside, "griefer" may be my all-time favorite online gaming term.

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 05:31 PM (3VBXw)

147 These new-money billionaires are truly pathetic and not to be trusted. They lack the class and moral clarity of us old-money billionaires.

Posted by: Mark Cuban at August 06, 2013 05:33 PM (cK0tU)

148 They upped Powerball by another 25 million. So, if you take the lump sum, you're looking at 244,700,00 before taxes.

I'd definitely take the lump sum. Like I trust them to keep paying it out over the next 20 years.

Posted by: NC Ref at August 06, 2013 05:34 PM (/izg2)

149 This may have been asked already, but is there a "Middle Class" drinking game scheduled for Obama's Leno appearance?

Posted by: The Third Horseman Of The Apocalypse at August 06, 2013 05:35 PM (Dwehj)

150 145 I'm pretty sure athletes get taxed for the states they play in, for that game. That's why many sports broadcasters refer to game checks. Also why teams in Texas have an advantage, a contract is worth more. For the NFL, I think you wanna be in the AFC south. Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at August 06, 2013 09:31 PM (b9K4P) makes sense, i never thought about that......but the money was earned in what ever state they played in so....there's that...

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl the birthday girl! at August 06, 2013 05:35 PM (8JJ6O)

151 That's almost more tragic - it won't be Mad Max or Elysium, it will be Wild Palms. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 06, 2013 09:03 PM (qyfb5) Coming to you from 20 minutes into the futureÂ…

Posted by: Max Headroom at August 06, 2013 05:36 PM (Vk2pI)

152 "Â“The odds of dying in a terrorist attack are a lot lower than they are of dying in a car accident, unfortunately.Â” - Obama on Leno's show tonight

What's with the "unfortunately", buddy?
Would you rather we die in a terrorist attack?

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/

Posted by: Lizzy at August 06, 2013 05:37 PM (CzGy/)

153 The Middle Class. 'nuff said.

Posted by: The Middle Class at August 06, 2013 05:37 PM (Rp2n7)

154 >>> I really doubt IL has a "only athletes pay tax" law. Rush has mentioned the joys of dealing with NYC for the few days that he works there.

Posted by: fluffy at August 06, 2013 05:37 PM (iIGTI)

155 all states tax income earned in their state. you just didn't know it.

Posted by: Brick at August 06, 2013 05:38 PM (LtZFb)

156 makes sense, i never thought about that......but the money was earned in what ever state they played in so....there's that... Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl the birthday girl! at August 06, 2013 09:35 PM (8JJ6O) __________ And you only pay tax for the period of time in the state. Someone makes $100K who lives in TX. Pays no income tax on that. Goes to CA for a month, makes $10K while there, he pays 10% CA state income tax. The theory being of course that while in CA for that month you use CA roads, CA police protection, CA water/sewer, etc so you contribute some tax dollars to the state. And CA could be Kansas or Oklahoma just as easily.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 05:38 PM (HDgX3)

157 Hey zombie

Posted by: easy at August 06, 2013 05:39 PM (c8xU9)

158 156 all states tax income earned in their state. you just didn't know it. Posted by: Brick at August 06, 2013 09:38 PM (LtZFb) ____________ Well except for the 7 states that don't have an income tax....

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 05:40 PM (HDgX3)

159 I gotta get me a thesaurus like Ace as got. *** Simple enough. Just find a mosquito that has been fossilized in amber after gorging on thesaurus blood, extract and clone the thesaurus DNA. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, aka Dr. Who, What, Where,When and Why at August 06, 2013 09:22 PM (pxDth) Nah. Just steal Steven Weber's Magic Thesaurus. Considering how he abuses the thing every time he writes some blather on HuffPo, you'll be doing the poor animal a favor.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 06, 2013 05:40 PM (MBqvE)

160 I do NOT believe that athletes on major league baseball teams are taxed by indivudual states that the teams they play for play in. They are taxed in the HOME State of the Team they play for. Just as an employee of Microsoft who lives in Washington State is taxed by that State and not by Florida or NJ when he travels there for 3 days of business

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 06, 2013 05:40 PM (9Xc5j)

161 >>> And you only pay tax for the period of time in the state. Maine will tag you for the whole year. A friend of mine raked in the big bucks as a grad student at U Maine from January to May. They taxed his entire year's income.

Posted by: fluffy at August 06, 2013 05:41 PM (iIGTI)

162 Listening to Dr. Savage. He's got an emotional crazy caller who claims to be a marine with a spouse who has served in the ME 4 x's yet, she claims there should be no guns on military bases. Savage (I came in late) was apparently saying that, had the military been able to carry weapons on base, then the major would not have been able to do as much damage as he did.

Posted by: caustic at August 06, 2013 05:42 PM (/b8+5)

163 Interesting turn of phrase from Who Do You Think You Are? on TLC. Chelsea Handler is investigating her German grandfather's WWII service.

She is talking with an archivist in Berlin at the military archives. Describing in Germany there were the active true believing Nazis and an equally small actively opposed group. While everyone else was the floating middle. Just going along to get along.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2013 05:42 PM (vXdad)

164 But come on, this is ESPN reporting "the facts". Not exactly the most credible source for tax code interpretation. I really doubt IL has a "only athletes pay tax" law.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 09:30 PM (HDgX3)

--It was not the talking heads. They were interviewing someone else, I think a sports lawyer.

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 05:43 PM (3VBXw)

165 First you'd have to know my gender; then you'd have to know my orientation. Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2013 08:50 PM (+cx5n) You forgot biological sex. That is totally different from "gender." I'm not sure, however, if the LGBTQ spectrum refers to gender or to biological sex, or if there are nth dimensional charts that somehow explain thisÂ…

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 06, 2013 05:43 PM (Vk2pI)

166 Just as an employee of Microsoft who lives in Washington State is taxed by that State and not by Florida or NJ when he travels there for 3 days of business Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 06, 2013 09:40 PM (9Xc5j) _______ First off WA doesn't have an income tax and neither does FL. Technically speaking though for the 3 days that employee is in NJ and **WORKING**, he's supposed to pay NJ tax on 3 days worth of income. Joe Shmoe employee at MSFT doesn't bother. And NJ isn't going to come after him either. But for an NFL player that earns $500K for a game in NJ, you're damn straight NJ will come looking for that tax money.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 05:43 PM (HDgX3)

167 The only U.S. President to prove a math theorem:

http://io9.com/james-garfield-was-the-only-u-s-president-to-prove-a-m-1037750658

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 05:44 PM (3VBXw)

168 Matt Damon! 👤

Posted by: Matt Damon at August 06, 2013 05:44 PM (B/K3m)

169 We no longer do business in California. They attempted to redefine us as a California company because of a seminar we presented at one afternoon. It was a monumental headache dealing with it, and since we are an LLC it was our personal taxes that were on the line. We do business in many states and it just won't work to have every state with there hand out.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 06, 2013 05:44 PM (l3vZN)

170 Screw Matt Damon.

Posted by: The Middle Class at August 06, 2013 05:45 PM (Rp2n7)

171 "their" not there....jeez, I type by ear anymore.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 06, 2013 05:45 PM (l3vZN)

172

First off WA doesn't have an income tax

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Did they vote it away again? I arrived there in '92 just after they passed an income tax law. iirc, Tom Foley ended up losing his congressional seat because he supported it.

Posted by: junior at August 06, 2013 05:45 PM (Quo7C)

173 The Grievances and Disappointments of the New Aristocrats (A Continuing Series) Sounds like a BBC/PBS series that nobody watched and has about 5,000 pledge break interruptions.

Posted by: YIKES! at August 06, 2013 05:47 PM (mETGQ)

174 And you don't have to physically present in a state to get taxed. If you own a business that has revenue in State X while you spend 365 days a year in State Y, you still have to pay taxes in State X that was earned in State X.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 05:47 PM (HDgX3)

175 145 I'm pretty sure athletes get taxed for the states they play in, for that game. That's why many sports broadcasters refer to game checks. Also why teams in Texas have an advantage, a contract is worth more. For the NFL, I think you wanna be in the AFC south.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at August 06, 2013 09:31 PM (b9K4P)

--Yeah, you play for the Texans or Jaguars you get 8 home games plus one away game tax-free (at least at state level).

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 05:47 PM (3VBXw)

176 So is Ace doing the ont tonight? cause that last night was priceless.

Posted by: Freak Out! at August 06, 2013 05:47 PM (Rp2n7)

177 Technically speaking though for the 3 days that employee is in NJ and **WORKING**, he's supposed to pay NJ tax on 3 days worth of income. Joe Shmoe employee at MSFT doesn't bother. And NJ isn't going to come after him either. But for an NFL player that earns $500K for a game in NJ, you're damn straight NJ will come looking for that tax money. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 09:43 PM (HDgX3) I still don't buy that. He lives in State A, His "JOB" is based in State A. If he travels to State B for 3 days by his company that is based in State A, he does not pay State B taxes for those 3 days. He is still employed by a State A company. I am traveling to IL as a matter of fact for 3 days work this weekend and my "Company" which is a rather large Federal Company is only going to take out NJ Taxes NOT IL Taxes

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 06, 2013 05:48 PM (9Xc5j)

178 So is Ace doing the ont tonight? cause that last night was priceless. Posted by: Freak Out! at August 06, 2013 09:47 PM (Rp2n7) I can but hope you are referring to the one with the slothÂ…

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 06, 2013 05:48 PM (Vk2pI)

179 You forgot biological sex. Posted by: The Political Hat at August 06, 2013 09:43 PM (Vk2pI) That's very heterocisnormanist of you.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at August 06, 2013 05:48 PM (qyfb5)

180 And you don't have to physically present in a state to get taxed. If you own a business that has revenue in State X while you spend 365 days a year in State Y, you still have to pay taxes in State X that was earned in State X. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 09:47 PM (HDgX3) Your confusing a salaried employee and an a Business

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 06, 2013 05:49 PM (9Xc5j)

181 Did they vote it away again? I arrived there in '92 just after they passed an income tax law. iirc, Tom Foley ended up losing his congressional seat because he supported it. Posted by: junior at August 06, 2013 09:45 PM (Quo7C) ________ We had a vote for it in 2010. It lost 65-35. It was only supposed to be an income tax on evil rich people. I think the starting point was $450,000 a year. But even so it got voted down big time. WA is an odd duck. Liberal as fuck, but still nobody wants an income tax. Bill Gates Sr. was the leader of the initiative. And I think (I don't remember for sure) Bezos was a supporter of it as well.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 05:49 PM (HDgX3)

182 151 145 I'm pretty sure athletes get taxed for the states they play in, for that game. That's why many sports broadcasters refer to game checks. Also why teams in Texas have an advantage, a contract is worth more. For the NFL, I think you wanna be in the AFC south.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at August 06, 2013 09:31 PM (b9K4P)

makes sense, i never thought about that......but the money was earned in what ever state they played in so....there's that...

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl the birthday girl! at August 06, 2013 09:35 PM (8JJ6O)

--The interviewee on the radio also said that IL taxes based on the ratio of games played in IL to games in the season in the calendar year, not to 365 days.

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 05:49 PM (3VBXw)

183 You forgot biological sex. Posted by: The Political Hat at August 06, 2013 09:43 PM (Vk2pI) That's very heterocisnormanist of you. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 06, 2013 09:48 PM (qyfb5) What can I say besides "I ♥ Kyriarchy"

Posted by: The Political Kyriarch at August 06, 2013 05:49 PM (Vk2pI)

184 And, Obama's on Leno tonight. He may be the first member of the media to ask Obama about terrorism, and maybe even the new Benghazi revelations. And I may have an 18 inch Penis.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at August 06, 2013 05:50 PM (XIxXP)

185 Don't call that nice lady a sloth.

Posted by: Freak Out! at August 06, 2013 05:50 PM (Rp2n7)

186 Your confusing a salaried employee and an a Business Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 06, 2013 09:49 PM (9Xc5j) _____________ No I'm not. It's two separate revenues. Both are taxed by individual states. If you work a day in a state you pay a day's worth of income tax to that state. Well you're supposed to anyway. Every state tax return has a variation of full time resident, part time resident, spend a couple of days working resident.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 05:50 PM (HDgX3)

187 151 145 I'm pretty sure athletes get taxed for the states they play in, for that game. That's why many sports broadcasters refer to game checks. Also why teams in Texas have an advantage, a contract is worth more. For the NFL, I think you wanna be in the AFC south. Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at August 06, 2013 09:31 PM (b9K4P) According to members of his "Posse" that's why LeBron went to Miami.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at August 06, 2013 05:51 PM (XIxXP)

188

Rush talks about the tax thing sometimes. When he goes to NY for anything they try to say he is working there so they can tax him.

Posted by: t-dubyah-d at August 06, 2013 05:51 PM (u6lBN)

189 I'm sure Miss Marcotte is very nice and not at all sloth-like.

Posted by: Freak Out! at August 06, 2013 05:52 PM (Rp2n7)

190 Rush talks about the tax thing sometimes. When he goes to NY for anything they try to say he is working there so they can tax him. Posted by: t-dubyah-d at August 06, 2013 09:51 PM (u6lBN) That's why he has the IEB southern command. That and the house on the beach.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at August 06, 2013 05:52 PM (XIxXP)

191 If you work a day in a state you pay a day's worth of income tax to that state. I'm going to be working 3 days in IL and they will NOT take out any IL Taxes from my pay.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 06, 2013 05:53 PM (9Xc5j)

192 OSP, correct!

Posted by: t-dubyah-d at August 06, 2013 05:53 PM (u6lBN)

193 I'm sure Miss Marcotte is very nice and not at all sloth-like. Posted by: Freak Out! at August 06, 2013 09:52 PM (Rp2n7) Yeah, she's a reguklar Joanie Cunningham.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at August 06, 2013 05:53 PM (XIxXP)

194 --The interviewee on the radio also said that IL taxes based on the ratio of games played in IL to games in the season in the calendar year, not to 365 days. Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 09:49 PM (3VBXw) ___________ https://www.iicle.com/articles/Article.aspx?ID=218

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 05:53 PM (HDgX3)

195 176
The Grievances and Disappointments of the New Aristocrats (A Continuing Series)

Sounds like a BBC/PBS series that nobody watched and has about 5,000 pledge break interruptions.

Posted by: YIKES! at August 06, 2013 09:47 PM (mETGQ)

--Were you here when we had the epic Name a British Series thread?

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 05:54 PM (3VBXw)

196 I'm going to be working 3 days in IL and they will NOT take out any IL Taxes from my pay. Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 06, 2013 09:53 PM (9Xc5j) _______ Just because your employer doesn't take it out doesn't mean you don't owe it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 05:54 PM (HDgX3)

197 Middle Class Manor? Sounds like a wonderful show.

Posted by: The Middle Class at August 06, 2013 05:56 PM (Rp2n7)

198 Just because your employer doesn't take it out doesn't mean you don't owe it. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 09:54 PM (HDgX3) My employer is the Federal Gov. So your saying they are out to screw IL? ANd they also do NOT advise me that I have any tax liability to IL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 06, 2013 05:56 PM (9Xc5j)

199 Just because your employer doesn't take it out doesn't mean you don't owe it. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 09:54 PM (HDgX3) Wellthen, I reckon i'm an outlaw. I have worked all over the country and my check comes from NC and that's the taxes I paid.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at August 06, 2013 05:56 PM (XIxXP)

200 >>> That's why he has the IEB southern command. That and the house on the beach. Mark Steyn prefers to work from NH, where he doesn't even have to pay property tax. (He lives in an unincorporated township.)

Posted by: fluffy at August 06, 2013 05:56 PM (iIGTI)

201 According to members of his "Posse" that's why LeBron went to Miami.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at August 06, 2013 09:51 PM (XIxXP)

--I'm sure he liked D-Wade too, but you can't ignore the $ side. I heard at the time Miami vs. NY Knicks was close to a $2 million a year difference.

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 05:57 PM (3VBXw)

202 Just because your employer doesn't take it out doesn't mean you don't owe it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 09:54 PM (HDgX3)

So conversely, if I work a week in FL, I can forgo that income from my VA taxes?

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at August 06, 2013 05:57 PM (ylG8S)

203 My employer is the Federal Gov. So your saying they are out to screw IL? ANd they also do NOT advise me that I have any tax liability to IL Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 06, 2013 09:56 PM (9Xc5j) ________ A. It's the federal govt, do you really think anyone there has a fucking clue about anything, especially inter-state tax laws? B. I'm not saying anyone is out to screw anybody. I just said that your tax liability is not dependent on what your employer does. Your employer could deduct $0 from you all year. That doesn't mean you owe $0 in taxes.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 05:57 PM (HDgX3)

204 That's why he has the IEB southern command. That and the house on the beach. I meant the EIB southern command. Sorry Rush.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at August 06, 2013 05:58 PM (XIxXP)

205 So if I go work in Alabama for one day I'm supposed to pay income tax there? No fn way!

Posted by: Freak Out! at August 06, 2013 05:58 PM (Rp2n7)

206 The only U.S. President to prove a math theorem:

http://io9.com/james-garfield-was-the-only-u-s-president-to-prove-a-m-1037750658
Posted by: logprof
---------------

Uh..., clever..., but Euclid's Proposition 47 preceded that by, oh, 2000 years. I'm not sure what it showed, other than that one might confirm the theorem in a number of ways. I often ask mathie people if they themselves have ever seen a proof of the Pythagorean Theorem, or proved it themselves. By far, the answer is no. It is trivial, of course, but fun to give them a little jab.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 06, 2013 05:58 PM (aDwsi)

207 Shark Week has been a disappointment. First, it was the very fake Megadong Shark, then the Voodoo Shark, and now the Playboy Shark

Posted by: Waldo at August 06, 2013 05:59 PM (tCBZk)

208 Nebraska used to give a credit for taxes paid to another state back when I worked construction field. And you might have 2 or 3 W-4's from other states. Sounded like a payroll nightmare to me.

Posted by: t-dubyah-d at August 06, 2013 05:59 PM (u6lBN)

209 --Were you here when we had the epic Name a British Series thread? Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 09:54 PM (3VBXw) How long ago?

Posted by: YIKES! at August 06, 2013 05:59 PM (mETGQ)

210 @Waldo Don't forget the gropey democrat shark.

Posted by: BarakaTarkata at August 06, 2013 06:00 PM (si4cu)

211 https://www.iicle.com/articles/Article.aspx?ID=218

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 06, 2013 09:53 PM (HDgX3)

--Interesting link. I guess minor leaguers are subject to these crazy taxes as well, but they're not worth chasing down.

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 06:01 PM (3VBXw)

212 I hear Discovery has something on Middle Class Sharks lined up for tomorrow.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 06, 2013 06:01 PM (1PZGo)

213 Or the Peruvian Land Shark.

Posted by: Freak Out! at August 06, 2013 06:01 PM (Rp2n7)

214 212
--Were you here when we had the epic Name a British Series thread?
Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 09:54 PM (3VBXw)

How long ago?

Posted by: YIKES! at August 06, 2013 09:59 PM (mETGQ)

--It was within the past year.

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 06:01 PM (3VBXw)

215 Candygram...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 06, 2013 06:01 PM (aDwsi)

216 British Series? I know, I know!
XK-140

Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 06, 2013 06:02 PM (aDwsi)

217 215 I hear Discovery has something on Middle Class Sharks lined up for tomorrow.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 06, 2013 10:01 PM (1PZGo)

Any idea when they run the shark species Ju Mped?

Posted by: Red Shirt at August 06, 2013 06:03 PM (FIDMq)

218
Mark Steyn prefers to work from NH, where he doesn't even have to pay property tax. (He lives in an unincorporated township.)

Posted by: fluffy at August 06, 2013 09:56 PM (iIGTI)

--The remoteness also is a plus for him, given how many nutters who'd threaten him and his family.

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 06:03 PM (3VBXw)

219 ABC radio news just reported that mitt romney spoke at a fundraiser and said those who want to defund obamacare "will just hurt the party".

Posted by: caustic at August 06, 2013 06:05 PM (/b8+5)

220 222 ABC radio news just reported that mitt romney spoke at a fundraiser and said those who want to defund obamacare "will just hurt the party".

Posted by: caustic at August 06, 2013 10:05 PM (/b8+5)

We were SOOOOO smart to nominate that guy, eh?

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at August 06, 2013 06:07 PM (ylG8S)

221 In Peruvia the professional slagball players are payed in yak testicles... ...And there is no federal or provincial tax liability on yak testicles.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, aka Dr. Who, What, Where,When and Why at August 06, 2013 06:08 PM (pxDth)

222 Mitt: those who want to defund Obamacare "will just hurt the Democrat party". Defund away!

Posted by: Lizzy at August 06, 2013 06:09 PM (CzGy/)

223 6 I think I'll just go kill myself. Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 06, 2013 08:21 PM (lVPtV) Excellent commenter: did The New Yorker sell too? Jane, ISWYDT and a half! Golf clap.

Posted by: DM at August 06, 2013 06:12 PM (nzlU3)

224 224 In Peruvia the professional slagball players are payed in yak testicles...

...And there is no federal or provincial tax liability on yak testicles.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, aka Dr. Who, What, Where,When and Why at August 06, 2013 10:08 PM (pxDth)

--Provincial? I thought Peruvia had prefectures.

Posted by: logprof, ducking and running at August 06, 2013 06:13 PM (3VBXw)

225 There's little doubt that Garfield was the most intelligent man to ever be President. When he was in the Congress, and speeches got boring, he'd amuse himself by writing them down in Latin.

With his right hand, while he simultaneously jotted them in Greek with his left.

Posted by: comatus at August 06, 2013 06:19 PM (JNUY4)

226 Provincial? I thought Peruvia had prefectures. Posted by: logprof, ducking and running at August 06, 2013 10:13 PM (3VBXw) *** I always conflate provinces and prefectures.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, aka Dr. Who, What, Where,When and Why at August 06, 2013 06:24 PM (pxDth)

227 Bezos contributes to the Dems

Posted by: occam at August 06, 2013 06:39 PM (te5Rr)

228 228 There's little doubt that Garfield was the most intelligent man to ever be President. When he was in the Congress, and speeches got boring, he'd amuse himself by writing them down in Latin.

With his right hand, while he simultaneously jotted them in Greek with his left.

Posted by: comatus at August 06, 2013 10:19 PM (JNUY4)

--I know that Coolidge was also fluent in Classical Greek (and Latin, I think), but I don't think he had as much of a maths background.

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2013 08:48 PM (3VBXw)

229 Mitt Romney Offers Advice to GOP Amid Effort to Defund Obamacare

http://tinyurl.com/m8fe8do

You can almost conclude that if they try and run another mittens, the republican party is going to fall apart. There appear to be three factions, the RINO's, the regular old school republicans (looking under rock trying to find them) and the conservatives who are republicans. And the dems who joined the republican party like graham and mccain, to be elected, will ultimately be exposed too. The minute they say "only so and so can beat hillary", all hell will break loose.

Posted by: caustic at August 06, 2013 08:52 PM (/b8+5)

230 I'm amused at the thought of Jeff bringing the Amazon warehouse culture to The Post. I'm even more amused at...well, if we're really going to talk about whose money's still drying, Bezos switched on the servers in 1995 and took Amazon public in '97. Facebook started in 2004, became open to the general public in '06, and had their IPO...um...last year. Dude, really?

Posted by: Rich Fader at August 06, 2013 09:34 PM (WZR61)

231 The key quote from the NRO article: "[Obama] has spent the past five years methodically testing the limits of what he can get away with, like one of those crafty velociraptors testing the electric fence in Jurassic Park."

Yeah. Except the velociraptors were cool.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 07, 2013 06:28 AM (BDU/a)

232 Once when visiting a vineyard in Germany, my father once met a man who owned the estate and in the course of conversation he said,
"My family has owned this land for a thousand years. The family across the valley have been there 900 years...we don't speak to them."

Posted by: Soylent Green at August 07, 2013 09:39 AM (wK/XI)

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