April 04, 2013

The Job Market, Now and In the Future
— Monty

This story about the current job environment for twenty-somethings is a good jumping-off point to talk about one of the dangers our society faces in the coming years: we're eating our seed corn.

It's not just the size of the Gen-Y/Millennial demographic, or what their job skills (or lack thereof) are when they're young -- everybody has crappy jobs when they're young. That's part of the process. The bigger problem is the lack of upward mobility and a mismatch between the demands of a high-tech workplace and the skills in the adult workforce.

The problem is rooted in the failures of our educational system. Primary and secondary education is mired in the same wasteful bureaucratic morass as other public entities these days, and the university system has pretty much transformed itself into a collection of Marxist political seminaries dedicated not to promoting knowledge, but to advancing the "progressive" cause. Businesses, who had turned the college degree as a stand-in for the aptitude tests they were forbidden to administer, now find that even a degree is a poor signifier for a job-applicant's knowledge, skills, and talents. It's quite possible for a young person to pass through twenty years of schooling (or more) and come out the other side nearly as unsuited for the working world as when they entered the school system.

But still: most young people can adapt and learn, given the proper motivation. I'm not worried about a 25-year-old who can't figure out what he or she really wants to do for the next 20 years. I am worried about a 35-year-old who can't figure it out. I am worried about an unmarried 35-year-old who still has a mountain of debt from school loans, two or three useless liberal arts or humanities degrees, and still lives with his mom and dad.

Part of the problem is the skills mismatch -- a poli-sci or humanities major isn't much use in a world that is demanding ever more engineers and computer programmers. The world can only absorb so many social workers and latina studies majors and even astrophysicists.

But ithe issue is bigger than not having enough SQL database administrators or mobile-app developers or engineers. The entire work environment is changing as technology relentlessly drives forward. The old model where you drove to a building and worked the same job for 8 hours a day and then went home has been dying out for a long time now. Forget working for the same company for your entire career except in a very few cases. You probably won't even do the same kind of job for your entire career. (I've been, at various times, a shipping clerk, a line cook, a laborer, a cowboy, a computer repairman, a software developer, a technical writer, a teacher, and a farmhand. And that's only the paying jobs that required filling out a W-2.)

The problem with America's (and Europe's) workforce is twofold: it is unsuited for the workforce now, and will probably be even more ill-prepared for the future workforce. To be successful from here on out is going to require a broad-based set of skills, a high level of mobility and flexibility, and a willingness to do hard and unpleasant work for relatively little pay. That's the "new normal" that everybody's talking about. Freelance and short-term gigs are going to be far more common as firms strive to keep their core payrolls low. As automation and other forms of technology continue to drive down materials and manufacturing costs, the price of human labor is going to continue to fall -- not just in the low end of the job market, but in the trades and professions as well.

The reality is that we've chosen the European social model of social welfare at the cost of high structural unemployment at just the time when this model is failing all over the world: in Japan, in Europe, and here. At exactly the time young people need to be entrepreneurs, jacks-of-all-trades, and self-starters, we're turning them into under-educated, over-entitled, helpless, unskilled wards of the State.

All is not lost. The world still needs people who can carry a plate of food from the kitchen to the table.

I've often said that "follow your dreams" is, in most cases, bad career advice for young people (or anyone, really). Find a job that you can make a decent living at and that you don't hate. You don't have to love it -- if it was fun they wouldn't call it work. If you are one of the lucky ones who can find a paying job doing something you love, then be happy, because most people don't have that option.

Ultimately, the core truth is that the world doesn't owe anyone a living. We all have to go out there and find one. It may not be the one we want, but that too is just reality asserting itself.

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UPDATE: Gee, it seems like only a week ago that all the news outlets were trumpeting that we had turned the corner on jobs. As it turns out...not so much.

Posted by: Monty at 04:49 AM | Comments (322)
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1 I will never be first.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 04, 2013 04:51 AM (m3PfY)

2 Oops

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 04, 2013 04:51 AM (m3PfY)

3 Horse Milker...

"Just follow your dream" doesn't seem to cover that one.

Except for the sick dude with the bucket we were talking about several weeks ago.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 04, 2013 04:54 AM (G2dqF)

4

Helen Thomas should wear one of these on her face to look better.

 

 

http://tinyurl.com/brx439y

Posted by: maddogg at April 04, 2013 04:55 AM (OlN4e)

5

Very nice words of wisdom, Monty. Hope some folks take this to heart.

 

Read an interesting article yesterday about 40 million McMansions across the USA that no one wants to buy due to changing preferences in housing by Generation X and Y. I'm not looking for the Milennials to be snapping them up either.

Posted by: RM at April 04, 2013 05:00 AM (/Frlf)

6

>>>>I will never be first.

 

You understood the point of the post perfectly.

Posted by: Bigby's Fisting uh.. Fist at April 04, 2013 05:01 AM (3ZtZW)

7 I've been, at various times, a shipping clerk, a line cook, a laborer, a cowboy


Do you like pudding?

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 05:01 AM (GQ8sn)

8 So? Did we like the movie?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 05:02 AM (NQNyI)

9 Fuck the job market for twentysomethings. How about the job market for fiftysomethings? I have gone from being a software developer to teaching college, and now I am trying to make a living going from place to place milling out AR15 lowers for people who want guns that have no paper trail. Adapt or die, baby.

Posted by: Outlaw Gunsmith at April 04, 2013 05:03 AM (jvdNh)

10 Teachers (esp. the union type) are actually some of the worst sort of people these days. Some so utterly lack morals or decency such that they can make the decision that "Yes, I am going to steal the youth from the young when I should be giving them an education because I'm ..."

Well, hell I don't know what they use to justify the fact that they are totally incompetent yet feel entitled to the time and money of the youth--and their parents and society's.

We got to understand--these are bad people, stealing for the youth, stealing from us, stealing from the future. All to keep themselves fat and happy.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 04, 2013 05:03 AM (VjL9S)

11 My old theory is that societies are mis-shaped by guidance counselors: they rush to place students in the hiring fields (to improve their stats, natch). By the time the kids finish college, the jobs are all filled, and the Disappointed Ones are forced into the cold world outside, where they struggle to pound the square peg of their training into the round hole of reality. Right now, we're over-statisticianed.

When you overpopulate engineering (don’t laugh — it happened once), you end up with those wannabe playboy nerds running the Art & Color Dept. More recently we’ve been plagued with unemployable school administrators and various -Studies grads taking over, well, everything. They didn't want to. There is no work for them in their "chosen" field. They had to go somewhere.

There’s a 79% probability that the urgency of pie-chart numeracy in “our educational processease” will continue to make damned lies & statistics the favored means of spoon-feeding political pabulum to the gape-mouthed low info set.

Something to ponder while enduring Death by Power-Point: know who invented the pie chart? Clara Barton, founder of the Red Cross.

Posted by: comatus at April 04, 2013 05:04 AM (qaVK+)

12 'Wasteland Scavenger', 'Gayboy Berserker', 'Smegma Crazies', 'Feral Kids', 'Warrior Women' and other similar post-downfall jobs will all be in high demand in a few years.

Posted by: The Narrator at April 04, 2013 05:04 AM (Z4FPn)

13 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The number of Americans filing new claims for unemployment benefits rose to its highest level in four months last week, suggesting the labor market recovery lost some steam in March.

Initial claims for state unemployment benefits increased 28,000 to a seasonally adjusted 385,000, the highest level since November, the Labor Department said on Thursday.

It was the third straight week of gains in claims. Coming on the heels of data on Wednesday showing private employers added the fewest jobs in five months in March, the report implied some weakening in job growth after hiring accelerated in February.

Economists polled by Reuters had expected first-time applications last week to fall to 350,000.





How unexpected. Just a little hiccup in our booming economy. Better not focus on this though more important things like Barry's brackets to worry about

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 05:04 AM (1Jaio)

14 Not giving a fat rat's ass about this sort of thing is part of my personal LIB philosophy. Can't get competent help, sucks to be you, yer gettin what ya voted for, good and hard. Complaints at the next window. Yawn. Going to get a cup of coffee.

Posted by: Skyway Moaters at April 04, 2013 05:05 AM (SwHqo)

15 My oldest stepson completely lucked out and got a job at a beer brewery by a stroke of fate.  When he was first going to college, he was attempting to major in a hard science and I appreciated that he was taking steps to prepare himself for a future that could pay well and be interesting at the same time.  By the time he graduated, he had switched to a cultural anthropology major, a completely useless degree IMO.  There is nothing in that degree that taught him any useful skills to offer an employer, short of cooking food over a hot grill which he ended up doing.  My wife and I helped pay for a 4 year degree so that he could handle a cash register and serve food.  We beat McDonald's by 4 years!

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 05:06 AM (GQ8sn)

16 The problem is rooted in the failures of our educational system. Primary and secondary education is mired in the same wasteful bureaucratic morass as other public entities these days, and the university system has pretty much transformed itself into a collection of Marxist political seminaries dedicated not to promoting knowledge, but to advancing the "progressive" cause.

^^^^THIS.

I spent 3 years at the Department of Labor observing this up close and personal.   You cannot fix the failures of the public education system by throwing money at job creation schemes.  There isn't enough money and you can't do it fast enough.  So companies turned to the college degree as the proxy for competence that should have been gained in high school.  But, as Monty points out, they can't even rely on that anymore, because the rot has crept up the food chain.

So, basically, unless you're smart enough to get your shit together on your own - you're fucked. 

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:06 AM (sbV1u)

17 if it was fun they wouldn't call it work, Bobby.

Don't smile in pictures, either. Working men don't smile in pictures.

Posted by: Hank Hill at April 04, 2013 05:07 AM (VjL9S)

18 and now I am trying to make a living going from place to place milling out AR15 lowers for people who want guns that have no paper trail.


Cut. Jib. Newsletter.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 05:07 AM (GQ8sn)

19

Ultimately, the core truth is that the world doesn't owe anyone a living.

 

Agreed.  It owes me cradle to grave welfare payments from other peoples livings.

Posted by: Free Shit Army - Pre-Burning Times at April 04, 2013 05:08 AM (BrQrN)

20 now I am trying to make a living going from place to place milling out AR15 lowers for people who want guns that have no paper trail. Adapt or die, baby.  Posted by: Outlaw Gunsmith at April 04, 2013 09:03 AM (jvdNh)

Ummmmm.....email me.  Link in nic.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:08 AM (sbV1u)

21 'Wasteland Scavenger', 'Gayboy Berserker', 'Smegma Crazies', 'Feral Kids', 'Warrior Women' and other similar post-downfall jobs will all be in high demand in a few years. You should get a job on the team doing Fallout 4, you clearly have the chops for it.

Posted by: Outlaw Gunsmith at April 04, 2013 05:09 AM (jvdNh)

22 You should get a job on the team doing Fallout 4, you clearly have the chops for it.

I think it's going to be set in the Boston area.  I haven't heard anything else about the story though.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 05:11 AM (GQ8sn)

23 So what is the market for people who can tell that the 10 foot Kentucky rifle in the sidebar is a fake?

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 04, 2013 05:11 AM (BsxM8)

24 Ummmmm.....email me. Link in nic. Yeah, Sean, problem is I am located in SoCal, which is about as far from DC as you can get. I was originally planning to work out of my brother's house (he lives in VA) and come to the right coast on occasion, but the hoser up and moved back to Utah, so that is a no-go.

Posted by: Outlaw Gunsmith at April 04, 2013 05:12 AM (jvdNh)

25 The need to pay people to carry food from the kitchen to the table exists only where there are enough people that aren't eating in their own homes. An economy that depends upon shoe clerks selling sneakers made in a Thai sweatshop to an illegal immigrant that works in a fast food joint serving shoe clerks so the illegal can earn enough to buy sneakers is not a stable economy.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 04, 2013 05:12 AM (Cnqmv)

26 i don't feel badly for people who go to school to get a degree to make them eligible for a low paying job......i don't feel sorry for people who take on debt to go to school for a degree that won't get them a job that will keep a roof over their head not to mention their mountainous student loan debt.....sorry....i just don't...college is not for everyone and it's not a right.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 05:12 AM (GVxQo)

27 don't underestimate those social work majors - govt hires a buttload of 'em

Posted by: Jeanne of the North at April 04, 2013 05:13 AM (YCNhS)

28 Nobody show alexthechic this link! 

http://news.sky.com/story/1073751/tarantula-the-size-of-a-human-face-discovered

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 05:13 AM (GQ8sn)

29 Yeah, Sean, problem is I am located in SoCal, which is about as far from DC as you can get. I was originally planning to work out of my brother's house (he lives in VA) and come to the right coast on occasion, but the hoser up and moved back to Utah, so that is a no-go.  Posted by: Outlaw Gunsmith at April 04, 2013 09:12 AM (jvdNh)

But I have NorCal roots.

Still an option or no?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:13 AM (sbV1u)

30 Since there seems to be a slight bit of interest, link in nic.

Posted by: Outlaw Gunsmith at April 04, 2013 05:14 AM (jvdNh)

31 suggesting the labor market recovery lost some steam in March.
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In the same way the turkey lost "some steam" when it was cut open in Christmas Vacation.

Which pretty much perfectly describes today's official economic reports: Glossy and nice at first glace, cut into it and . . . well,  you saw the turkey.

In Argentina, they threatened any economist who didn't toe the government line with jail time. That could never happen here.

Because they already willingly toe the government line.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 04, 2013 05:14 AM (VjL9S)

32

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The number of planned layoffs at U.S. firms fell in March but downsizing by retail companies still helped the first quarter rack up the largest amount of cuts in over a year, a report showed on Thursday.

Employers announced 49,255 planned job cuts last month, down 11 percent from 55,356 in February, according to the report from consultants Challenger, Gray & Christmas, Inc.

But March's layoffs were still up 30 percent from the same time a year ago, the fourth time in the last six months that monthly job cuts have been higher than the year before.



Recovery Summer IV: The Layoffing

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 05:14 AM (1Jaio)

33 Yeah, Sean, problem is I am located in SoCal, which is about as far from DC as you can get.


You can always take orders and mail them can't you?

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 05:14 AM (GQ8sn)

34 The world needs pole dancers, too.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at April 04, 2013 05:15 AM (i7B17)

35 RoyalOil, my eldest daughter has decided that she wants to be a teacher. She really enjoys helping kids, and is working with the special ed teacher this year, as a junior in high school. Next year, she will be in a program that lets her student teach, as well as pick up college credit. I hope she will be one bright point in a lackluster system.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at April 04, 2013 05:15 AM (WD0KF)

36 Umm, aren't you ignoring the rather obvious? That we're suffering from high unemployment due to the economic crisis and recession we had five years ago? Maybe that has something to do with it.

Posted by: CK at April 04, 2013 05:16 AM (LmD/o)

37

You can always take orders and mail them can't you?

 

No, he can't. In order to be legal, the owner has to mill it him/herself.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 04, 2013 05:16 AM (BsxM8)

38 In the early 70's I met a Physics PhD. who was laid off by NASA as they wound down their starship propulsion research. The Gummint promised to place him for the few years he needed to make early retirement. He didn't want to leave the area he'd been working in. Physics is marginally related to engineering; somebody didn't know that in industry, engineering often means maintenance, the openings didn't fall out just right, and that's how and why the research scientist was sweeping the floors, night shift, at the post office.

I met this other guy, a letter carrier about to retire. He was legendary among his cohort for loving cold weather. Would take vacation after Christmas to camp in north Ontario. He'd been in 'Nam, you see, and swore, never again...

So I up and asks him, what would he do after retirement? "Gonna be a cowboy," he says. OK, big joke. No, an Army buddy had started a dude-ranch, guided hunt place near Jackson Hole, and he had a standing offer to be a trip guide. And he went and did that, for 20 years, raked in the dough, then up and died. A cowboy. You can do it.

So, last week, talking to a business acquaintance who gentleman-farms in SW Ohio. He raises calves. It's time to "steer" them, and he has a bull calf he can't catch. Never happened before. I says to him, sounds like you need a cowboy. He says, yes I do. Where the hell do you hire one? And we were stumped.


Posted by: comatus at April 04, 2013 05:16 AM (qaVK+)

39

Ya, yhe job market for people over 50 with job experience in computer hardware and software is somewhat limited, even with new certifications it sucks. I'm employed right now but studying to pass two more certs to get a new job when this contract runs out this month.

 

I dread searching for something that isn't going to be there.

Posted by: Gmac - Waiting for the revolution at April 04, 2013 05:16 AM (IanLz)

40

My oldest stepson completely lucked out and got a job at a beer brewery by a stroke of fate.

------------------------------------------------

Never discount the role of fate in your career. If you had taken me aside right out of college and showed me the job I'm doing now (and have been doing for almost 20 years), I would have been flummoxed. I majored in English and intended to be a professional writer of some kind. It was only after graduation and much job searching that I discovered that there was little money in it, and few job prospects.

However, I was also an inveterate computer geek and came along at a time when a CS degree was not a prerequisite for getting a computer-industry job. I had a talent for computer stuff, but I was also lucky.

 

Posted by: Monty at April 04, 2013 05:17 AM (G8OwX)

41 No, he can't. In order to be legal, the owner has to mill it him/herself. Yeah, that is the rub. I supply machinery and advice, and maybe the paperweight, but the owner has to do the work themselves. Otherwise, I become a gun manufacturer and expose myself to 10 years in a Federal prison.

Posted by: Outlaw Gunsmith at April 04, 2013 05:18 AM (jvdNh)

42 So, basically, unless you're smart enough to get your shit together on your own - you're fucked.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 09:06 AM (sbV1u)

It's always been like this.  Liberalism bought us a window of about 30 years when it didn't SEEM to be the case, but it is.  It has always been this way, it will always be this way. 

Some of us understand that, and will make it.  The rest?  They're fucked.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 05:18 AM (fwARV)

43 If everyone just had gubmint jobs, we would't have this problem.

Posted by: KKKrazy at April 04, 2013 05:19 AM (uEm7J)

44 Since there seems to be a slight bit of interest, link in nic.


That is pretty sweet!

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 05:19 AM (GQ8sn)

45 My wife spent the last two weeks interviewing candidates for a professorship. Down to about 5 applicants from over 100 initial apps. And everyone who graduates wants to be a prof, so in a few years it'll be 200 apps.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 04, 2013 05:19 AM (ZshNr)

46 Smegma crazies? God, for fuck's sake please let these people not cross-pollinate with the Bronies.

Posted by: perturbed at April 04, 2013 05:19 AM (u6Ueb)

47

That we're suffering from high unemployment due to the economic crisis and recession we had five years ago?

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The key phrase is "five years ago". Why are we still suffering, half a decade on? There's a reason why this is the worst "recovery" in modern times.

The reason: Demographics, Democrats, and Debt. The Three D's.

 

Posted by: Monty at April 04, 2013 05:20 AM (G8OwX)

48

The job market has sucked since 2000. Only crap jobs are created and good paying jobs are rare. Obama is trying to rectify this but Republithugs want people to make little money so their rich masters make some cream.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 05:20 AM (Dblg7)

49 @ 47 Monty

The economy was not that great under Bush. Good jobs were shipped overseas and wages stagnated. Don't act like we were rolling in the dough.


Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 05:21 AM (Dblg7)

50 Math is hard.

Posted by: KKKrazey at April 04, 2013 05:22 AM (uEm7J)

51 Man, this troll can't even read the newspaper.

Like...wow.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:22 AM (sbV1u)

52 However, I was also an inveterate computer geek and came along at a time when a CS degree was not a prerequisite for getting a computer-industry job. I had a talent for computer stuff, but I was also lucky. Yeah, the same with me. I was a game developer for twenty years without having a CS degree. Then, as things got slow I went back and got my BS and MS, and now that I am credentialed, I can't find a job. Mostly because I am overexperienced and underqualified. (overexperienced = I have lots of years in computer industry, underqualified = I don't have 10 years experience on the exact hardware they are programming to - hardware that has been out for 18 months).

Posted by: Outlaw Gunsmith, as seen on AoS ONT! at April 04, 2013 05:23 AM (jvdNh)

53 OT: but I've been hearing rumors that employer contributions to my healthcare plan will be taxable in 2014, but can't find proof anywhere. Can anyone point me to a place with hard proof on this or is it all speculation?

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 04, 2013 05:24 AM (mdhED)

54 UPDATE: Gee, it seems like only a week ago that all the news outlets were trumpeting that we had turned the corner on jobs. As it turns out...not so much. Something about in increase in the chocolate ration.

Posted by: fluffy at April 04, 2013 05:24 AM (z9HTb)

55 It's always been like this. Liberalism bought us a window of about 30 years when it didn't SEEM to be the case, but it is. It has always been this way, it will always be this way. Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 09:18 AM (fwARV)

No, not always.  There was a time when you could rely on a decent public education.  As late as the early 80s.

The people who REALLY pay the freight for the abomination that is public education these days is minority kids.  But hey, you didn't need me to tell you that, just go look at the unemployment data.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:24 AM (sbV1u)

56

@ Sean Bannion

Wages stagnated under Bush, that is a fact. I know Rich Republicans do not care, but those of us in the real world had to suffer the consequences of Bush's polices.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 05:25 AM (Dblg7)

57 Bush's 'polices' are cause of all our woe!  Cuz they were bad n stuff.  This damn polices.  I hate polices.

Posted by: KKKrazey at April 04, 2013 05:26 AM (uEm7J)

58

The economy was not that great under Bush.

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Blaming the GOP still, are we? Mustn't blame His Majesty for doubling our national debt in four years to no good effect, hmm?

We haven't had a "great" economy for a long time. Much of the Clinton-era economy was smoke and mirrors; the dotcom meltdown in 2000 showed that. America managed to avoid some of the wages of bad government because our tech sector picked up the slack, but post-2000, that was no longer the case.

 

Posted by: Monty at April 04, 2013 05:26 AM (G8OwX)

59 @ 42 Washington Nearsider

Republican policies need a low wage class to exploit. They do not want others to live like they do.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 05:26 AM (Dblg7)

60 Good post, Monty. A man who's willing to work any job to earn his pay is a man who will go far.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 04, 2013 05:26 AM (P98o1)

61 @ 58 Monty

When Clinton was Prez, make made money. Under Bush people lost money.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 05:27 AM (Dblg7)

62 Good post, Monty. A man who's willing to work any job to earn his pay is a man who will go far.


Back in the truck, trashman!!!

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 05:27 AM (GQ8sn)

63 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 04, 2013 05:27 AM (/PCJa)

64 Western Civilization, for being increasingly comprised of sneering secular materialists, is starting to suck more and more at everything.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 04, 2013 05:28 AM (pmDdf)

65 Wages stagnated under Bush, that is a fact. I know Rich Republicans do not care, but those of us in the real world had to suffer the consequences of Bush's polices.Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 09:25 AM (Dblg7)

Dude, if you're able to comprehend data, I suggest you go over to the Department of Labor website and pull QECW data for the last 10 years.  Then come back and tell me who fucked up the economy.

Oh...you'll lie, and whine, and bitch, and moan that is was Boooooooosh!!!  But at least you will have seen the actual data so you'll know what you're lying about. 

Unlike, now for example.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:29 AM (sbV1u)

66 Wages stagnated under Bush, that is a fact. I know Rich Republicans do not care, but those of us in the real world had to suffer the consequences of Bush's polices.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 09:25 AM (Dblg7)




It's not Bush's fault that no one wants your services as a rent boy

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 05:29 AM (1Jaio)

67 If I had to do it all over again, I'd like to learn how to be a CNC machinist and have my own shop!  I'd make anything and everything.


Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 05:29 AM (GQ8sn)

68

A man who's willing to work any job to earn his pay is a man who will go far.

 

Not around here.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 04, 2013 05:29 AM (BsxM8)

69 'Kraze' is Joey Choo-Choo's AoS handle.  Good morning, Mr. Vice President.  That's some stellar analysis you have provided this morning.  Now go have some oatmeal.

Posted by: Goathead at April 04, 2013 05:30 AM (uEm7J)

70 - "The reality is that we've chosen the European social model of social welfare at the cost of high structural unemployment at just the time when this model is failing all over the world: in Japan, in Europe, and here. At exactly the time young people need to be entrepreneurs, jacks-of-all-trades, and self-starters, we're turning them into under-educated, over-entitled, helpless, unskilled wards of the State." Yep. But not so much in Texas. Nor so much in the likes of Utah, Idaho, Nebraska, Wyoming, Oklahoma, or in the Dakotas. Go figure. The attendant reality -- which ironically enough is lost on many if not most of the chattering classes, both left and right -- is that elections, laws, policies, decisions, voting, regulations, spending priorities, etc., all have very severe consequences. It actually makes a difference for whom you vote or don't vote. And politics by "single issues" or pet peeves is the hobglobin of political insanity.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at April 04, 2013 05:30 AM (r2PLg)

71 Good article at American Spectator about this subject: http://spectator.org/archives/2013/04/04/where-is-joan-baez-when-we-nee

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2013 05:30 AM (tqLft)

72

#40, it isn't even "fate."  It's being a person who keeps his eyes and ears open and has the wherewithal to be willing to pursue potential opportunities.  Not being a person who waits for things to fall into his lap.

 

That's also a trait I sadly see diminishing with each generation.

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 04, 2013 05:30 AM (tVWQB)

73

Not much time here before work ramps up, but I wanted to point out something about this:

 

The problem is rooted in the failures of our educational system. Primary and secondary education is mired in the same wasteful bureaucratic morass as other public entities these days, and the university system has pretty much transformed itself into a collection of Marxist political seminaries dedicated not to promoting knowledge, but to advancing the "progressive" cause.

 

This can't be said enough.  This is why things like "School Choice" are so vital- not because I think every kid should be in private school (though: I do), but because finally having to face the idea of losing their jobs for lack of interest might finally push public educators (mostly this is an admin/bureaucracy issue) to innovate.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 04, 2013 05:31 AM (/PCJa)

74 It is pointless to argue with people like "Kraze." They live in a delusional world of their own making. We are better served by focusing on what each of us needs to do to weather the coming social/economic fiasco heading our way.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 04, 2013 05:31 AM (bb5+k)

75 That article was hilarious. Poli-sci major? Daugher of idealistic 60's hippis? Can't find a job? Oh, dear! Oh, dearie dearie me!

Hahaha!

Oh, I just feel so BAD for this left wing, wannabe Ruling Class scrunt. Why isn't it EASIER to find some cush government job where you get to attend sweet-ass cocktail parties in D.C. after a long day of pushing around the commoners?

Meanwhile they mention near the bottom that her mechanical engineer brother had no problem finding a job straight out of college.

And no mention at all of Obamacare and all the other crushing regulations that have driven the cost of labor sky high even as wages stagnate.

Geepers, why can't all these 20-somethings that have spent four or more years "advancing" in an environment simply by lazily, uncritically repeating the softheaded, left-wing propaganda that spills from their professors' mouths find JOBS???!!! It's a mystery!

Posted by: Warden at April 04, 2013 05:32 AM (0DlnM)

76 What! The MSM LIES to us???


I've been pushing my kids towards vo-tech rather than college, we're going to need people who can put all this shit back together when it all comes crashing down and if you can fix things you will always be able to find paying work.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 04, 2013 05:32 AM (yh0zB)

77 @ 65 Sean Bannion

I looked at the data. Wages stagnated under Bush. Take home pay flat lined in 2001 and has never recovered. Bush's policies of outsourcing did in the US economy. Not to mention his stupid war in Iraq.

Face it, Bush was a miserable failure.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 05:32 AM (Dblg7)

78 Author has the impression that our work force requires higher education. Our workforce is by far a majority of unskilled labor and service industry.

Posted by: palooka at April 04, 2013 05:32 AM (aNlIg)

79

Wages stagnated under Bush, that is a fact. I know
Rich Republicans do not care, but those of us in the real world had to
suffer the consequences of Bush's polices.

 

Apropos of nothing: All trolls are Average Joe... you know the rest.

 

But I'd rather have "stagnated" wages than reduced wages- which is the reality for most under your chocolate messiah.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 04, 2013 05:32 AM (/PCJa)

80 It is pointless to argue with people like "Kraze." They live in a delusional world of their own making. Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 04, 2013 09:31 AM (bb5+k)

This.

They don't know what they think until someone tells them what to think.

And, critical thinking skills?  Fuggedaboutit.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:32 AM (sbV1u)

81 Republican policies need a low wage class to exploit. They do not want others to live like they do.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 09:26 AM (Dblg7)

Like we do?  You mean on a middle-income job?  You do realize that the 10 richest congressional districts in America are all blue, right?

There aren't too many Republicans in Martha's Vineyard. 

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 05:32 AM (fwARV)

82

And with that... time to work.

 

Try not to break the comments today, alright?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 04, 2013 05:33 AM (/PCJa)

83 I looked at the data. Wages stagnated under Bush. Take home pay flat lined in 2001 and has never recovered.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 09:32 AM (Dblg7)



When he had been in office less than a year. Damn that Booosh was powerful. That is what you're saying right? He affected the entire economy in under a year and is still, personally, fucking it 5 years after he was out of office.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 05:34 AM (da5Wo)

84 @ 79 AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)

Chocolate, real funny there peckerwood. Now you will cry racism because I gave it back at ya. Republicans reek of racism and you are proof right there.

Obama is mixed race, not Black so the joke is on you. He's not a full brutha.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 05:35 AM (Dblg7)

85 It is pointless to argue with people like "Kraze." They live in a delusional world of their own making. We are better served by focusing on what each of us needs to do to weather the coming social/economic fiasco heading our way.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 04, 2013 09:31 AM (bb5+k)




Delusional - no. Brain damaged - yes. He's been sniffing the choom fumes out of Barry's ass for so long what little it had as a brain has long since decayed

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 05:36 AM (1Jaio)

86 He's not a full brutha.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 09:35 AM (Dblg7)



No, no, I'm the racist.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 05:36 AM (da5Wo)

87 @83 BCochran1981

Bush sunk the country and Obama is still cleaning up the mess. When Hillary gets in power, she will fix it up and we will be back in the 90's again.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 05:36 AM (Dblg7)

88 I looked at the data.

Ummm, no you didn't.  Because that's pretty much a 3 hour job.  Three minutes doesn't cut it.  I do this for a living so I know the data.

Face it, Bush was a miserable failure.

You must be new here.  You're not going to get much of an argument here on that point.

But when your argument boils down to, "Bush ruined the economy by doubling debt, so the solution for Obama must therefore be to triple the debt."  Well then sonny, you've really got a logic problem there.  But I suspect you already know that, and you fight daily to ignore it.

Then again, incoherence, non sequiturs and red herrings are pretty much all you have left these days.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:37 AM (sbV1u)

89 I am hiring - I am having a hard time finding folks with technical degrees. I went to a job fair at University of Maryland for the Engineering and Computer Science schools - honestly, a handful of American citizens. Lots and lots of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Indian students.

Posted by: blaster at April 04, 2013 05:37 AM (pZDxu)

90

Chocolate, real funny there peckerwood. Now you will cry racism because I gave it back at ya. Republicans reek of racism and you are proof right there.

Obama is mixed race, not Black so the joke is on you. He's not a full brutha.

 

So, kindly explain define "racist" and explain why it is racist to refer to Obama as the "Chocolate Messiah." Show your work.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 04, 2013 05:38 AM (BsxM8)

91 Obama is mixed race, not Black so the joke is on you. He's not a full brutha.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 09:35 AM (Dblg7)




But he put only black down on his census form and that what he regards himself.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 05:38 AM (1Jaio)

92 **sniff**

I could just cry a river...

Study Engineering.

Posted by: Paladin at April 04, 2013 05:38 AM (lP8dE)

93 Bush sunk the country and Obama is still cleaning up the mess. When Hillary gets in power, she will fix it up and we will be back in the 90's again.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 09:36 AM (Dblg7)




Is this a sock? It's so full of cliches I'm beginning to think it must be

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 05:38 AM (1Jaio)

94 90 Grey Fox

Bush was your Vanilla pudding. How does that sound? Or how about Romney was your Pale Horse savior?

Don't like that do you?

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 05:39 AM (Dblg7)

95 OT

HOLY CRAP, I WANT ONE!!!!!


http://youtu.be/z5u_2bGPdUY

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 05:39 AM (GQ8sn)

96 That's how powerful a President Bush 43 was. 

In less than a year, he tanked the US economy single-handedly, and President Obama, with 5 years, hasn't been able to even move the needle. 

Lesson:  According to Kraze, President Obama is weak, pathetic, ineffective, childish and petulant.  President Bush was strong, decisive, capable and effective. 

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 05:39 AM (fwARV)

97
87 @83 BCochran1981

Bush sunk the country and Obama is still cleaning up the mess. When Hillary gets in power, she will fix it up and we will be back in the 90's again.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 09:36 AM (Dblg7)



Alright, you've set out your hypothesis. Now prove it. What policies did Bush enact that immediately stagnated wages? What policies did he implement that crashed the economy and are continuing to strangle the economy? Why, with complete control of both legislative houses, was Obama unable to correct these policy problems?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 05:39 AM (da5Wo)

98 Bush sunk the country and Obama is still cleaning up the mess. When Hillary gets in power, she will fix it up and we will be back in the 90's again. Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 09:36 AM (Dblg7) "Four legs GOOOOD!!" "Two Legs Baaaaaaaad!!!!"

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 04, 2013 05:40 AM (bb5+k)

99 Obama is mixed race, not Black so the joke is on you. He's not a full brutha.

So he's a cornball brutha?  LMFAO.  Who's really the racist here?

I guess the sad part is that you're so choked up on bullshit, you can't even see the weak points in your own argument.  But, you're not here to be intelligent, are you?  You're just here to vent your impotent, rage at people who didn't do a damn thing to you.

Oh, BTW, the white guy talkin' like a black guy shit is old. 

And racist. 

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:40 AM (sbV1u)

100 Bush was your Vanilla pudding. How does that sound? Or how about Romney was your Pale Horse savior?

Don't like that do you?

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 09:39 AM (Dblg7)



No one gives a shit because A) that's not offensive and 2) it's not even funny.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 05:41 AM (da5Wo)

101 @ 91 TheQuietMan

He had to put down Black. In America you have the racist one drop rule. Outside of the US. he's be considered mixed race.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 05:41 AM (Dblg7)

102 Alright, you've set out your hypothesis. Now prove it. What policies did Bush enact that immediately stagnated wages? What policies did he implement that crashed the economy and are continuing to strangle the economy? Why, with complete control of both legislative houses, was Obama unable to correct these policy problems? Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 09:39 AM (da5Wo)

Dude, he doesn't know.  He doesn't care.

He's just here to fling shit.

If you knew what the fuck he was talking about, he would have posted links and stats by now.  Libtards are about emotion, not facts.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:41 AM (sbV1u)

103 The current job market is advertising 38.5 hour week employment available earning $10/hour (bilingual in Spanish). One of the "benefits" of a job is being able to "afford" the unaffordable "Affordable Health Care" Law mandating the purchase of insurance, and the judicial blind eye that will not distinguish between a fee and a tax, mutable, while also supporting the federal government's "right" to seize property and imprison uncooperative people, regardless. As with MediCare today, ObamaCare tomorrow. When the pharmaceutical industry isn't willing to settle for mass production and sales in order to make a profit, demanding the outrageous price from patients, no amount of "universal care" tax funded or privately funded is going to "insure" medical treatment. So for all the astronomical costs to purchase the mandated health insurance, there won't be affordable treatment available.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 04, 2013 05:41 AM (MhA4j)

104 It's always been like this. Liberalism bought us a window of about 30 years when it didn't SEEM to be the case, but it is. It has always been this way, it will always be this way.

Some of us understand that, and will make it. The rest? They're fucked.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 09:18 AM (fwARV)



And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 04, 2013 05:42 AM (yh0zB)

105 < There aren't too many Republicans in Martha's Vineyard. > As if.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 04, 2013 05:42 AM (MhA4j)

106 The boning will continue until morale improves.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 04, 2013 05:42 AM (QupBk)

107 It's 9:42 and I'm drunk.  I'm a little behind schedule today. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 05:42 AM (wbmaj)

108 Bush was your Vanilla pudding. How does that sound? Or how about Romney was your Pale Horse savior? Sounds A) goofy B) like you have comprehension problems. Grey Fox asked you, way more politely than you deserve, to explain your meaning. Instead, you taunt him. Pro tip: Assertion is neither proof nor explanation.

Posted by: fluffy at April 04, 2013 05:43 AM (z9HTb)

109 There aren't too many Republicans in Martha's Vineyard. /105.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 04, 2013 05:43 AM (MhA4j)

110 Libtards are about emotion, not facts.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 09:41 AM (sbV1u)



Which is why you force them into a factual argument. Puncture their histrionics with facts. The more they descend into frothing madness, the more obvious it becomes to everyone what they are.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 05:43 AM (da5Wo)

111 Recovery-less recovery.

Posted by: red speck at April 04, 2013 05:43 AM (9/Ug/)

112 Chocolate, real funny there peckerwood. Now you will cry racism because I gave it back at ya.

So, it's OK for a black guy to call black guys "chocolate" but not a white guy.

Got it.

So then I guess the recently indicted felon Ray Nagin was wrong to call New Orleans a "Chocolate City."

Damn, you got some serious racism goin' on there son.  All that hate is just gonna eat you up inside.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:43 AM (sbV1u)

113 He had to put down Black. In America you have the racist one drop rule. Outside of the US. he's be considered mixed race.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 09:41 AM (Dblg7)




Not from here are you or just bad grammar?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 05:45 AM (1Jaio)

114 It's not Bush's fault that no one wants your services as a rent boy Whoah, not so fast there cowboy! Why do you think I helped engineer the collapse?

Posted by: Barney Frank at April 04, 2013 05:45 AM (CeNUw)

115 OT: Rest assured, the southern border is still secured. (Secured footing, that is.)
[link to Latin Times]

Posted by: RioBravo at April 04, 2013 05:45 AM (eEfYn)

116 Pro tip: Assertion is neither proof nor explanation. Posted by: fluffy at April 04, 2013 09:43 AM (z9HTb)

Oh no!  No!  No!  No! No!

To a libtard, assertion is proof and explanation.

They get to say bullshit and call it "truth" and we have to have actual truth.  

See how that works?  If you don't see it that way, it's because you're racist.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:46 AM (sbV1u)

117 I've often said that "follow your dreams" is, in most cases, bad career advice for young people (or anyone, really). Find a job that you can make a decent living at and that you don't hate.

I've always considered the idea that everyone can "follow their dreams" and succeed or make money idiotic.  Very few people have the talent and skill in an area that is also marketable.  99% of people do not "love" or even much like their jobs.  It is a means to an end - make money to support yourself and your family.

People say stupid cliches like "find a way to make money doing what you love".  Well, that's ridiculous advice.  Sure, if you happen to have amazing writing talent and love to write - you might, if you are lucky, be able to make money writing. 

The idea that everyone can have a job they love making good money is the kind of childish nonsense that is portrayed as wisdom these days.  It is of a kin with the idea that "education" can solve all the world's problems.  As if everyone in the world can be a highly educated doctor.  Or as if well educated Muslims don't still hate the Jews, gays, women and Americans.  Or there aren't well educated murders, theives, and con-men.  Or that a society where everyone has a Phd would be successful.  Who is going to collect the garbage and dig the ditches if everyone has a Phd?  Paul Krugman is well educated, and he is an idiot.  Lennin was well educated, as was Marx.  Fidel Castro is well educated.

Education is not the answer that people think it is.  Am I anti-education?  No, that's also idiotic.  I just don't think it is a panacea that will cure poverty and create a peaceful world.

Same way that I don't believe the average person can "follow their dreams" and find fulfilling work that they love and make lots of money doing it.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at April 04, 2013 05:46 AM (sOx93)

118 Key Taxing Wages results in 2012 included: The highest average tax burdens for childless single workers earning the average wage in their country were observed in Belgium (56.0%), France (50.2%), Germany (49.7%) and Hungary (49.4%). The lowest were in Chile (7%), New Zealand (16.4%) and Mexico (19.0%) gulp http://www.oecd.org/newsroom/tax-burdens-on-labour-income-in-oecd-countries-continue-to-rise.htm

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 05:46 AM (XYSwB)

119

94 90 Grey Fox

Bush was your Vanilla pudding. How does that sound? Or how about Romney was your Pale Horse savior?

Don't like that do you?

 

 

You are  not  making  any sense. I gave you an assignment:

 

Start by defining racism. Then, explain why the phrase in question fits that definition.

 

Hop to it.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 04, 2013 05:46 AM (BsxM8)

120 So does Alextopia have any Industrialists? I kinda figured it'd be strong on the Miltary-Industrial Complex-thinger. Mebbe I'll do a factory pumpin' out Stompy Boot Targeting Systems.

Posted by: Bigby's Fisting uh.. Fist at April 04, 2013 05:48 AM (3ZtZW)

121 That's how powerful a President Bush 43 was. In less than a year, he tanked the US economy single-handedly, and President Obama, with 5 years, hasn't been able to even move the needle. Lesson: According to Kraze, President Obama is weak, pathetic, ineffective, childish and petulant. President Bush was strong, decisive, capable and effective. Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 09:39 AM (fwARV)

See, that's what I mean.  He can't even fathom that is exactly what he's saying.

Because he's an idiot.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:48 AM (sbV1u)

122

The world does owe  you a living.  It just takes a lifetime of hard work to collect.

Thanks for the Doom and reality, Monte.  All this ministry-of-truth Pravda type shit gets me acting paranoid.  Happy happy joy joy jobs falling out of unicorn asses, housing sector recovering like a rocket ship --- whatever.  I threw out my back burying pennies in my back yard.  Now I won't be able to complete my dig-it-yourself bomb shelter in time.

Posted by: Simon Jester at April 04, 2013 05:48 AM (EhSF0)

123 @ 97 BCochran1981

Bush supported the outsourcing of jobs.

http://tinyurl.com/cbk7lks

http://tinyurl.com/cak9pbw

Lack of wage growth destroyed America's economy.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 05:48 AM (Dblg7)

124 To be successful from here on out is going to require a broad-based set of skills, a high level of mobility and flexibility, and a willingness to do hard and unpleasant work for relatively little pay.

Nope. Though some people like that will do fine. Our oft-referenced friends in the Home Depot parking lot, for example.

The statistically largest and only growing large employment sector is government. Waste, make-work, seat-warming, extortion, nepotistic sinecures etc.--purely economically destructive "work" that leaves fewer and fewer possibilities for anyone outside it to succeed.

The American workforce's skills, qualifications, and dispositions toward work are properly adapting to an "economy" where that's the case--and becoming every day more the case.

A lot of people are panicking and falling for get-rich scams (e.g., student loans) or just giving up and checking out (some wisely), but that always happens during transitional periods. In sum, eventually, labor-market adaptation is as perfect as it can be.

But what we're adapting to is Dark Ages II, not The Future™. Nobody needs advice from Fast Company. They need it from Ockham, Boethius, and Dante. Maybe from Guns & Ammo, if they're ambitious.

Posted by: oblig. at April 04, 2013 05:48 AM (cePv8)

125 Well, that lawn ain't gonna cut itself. Later roonz and roonettez.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 04, 2013 05:49 AM (yh0zB)

126

That trope about "wage stagnation" isn't really true, as you can read here right from the Fed: http://tinyurl.com/nvo44j

And you need to remember that the US labor market isn't a closed sytem -- it never has been, but its come under pressure a lot more from foreign labor markets in recent years. Not so much due to "offshoring" of manufacturing jobs, but actually more from presssure in the finance and IT industries. America's industrial exports are actually doing quite well, historically; it's just that these industries no longer drive employment as they once did. Technology makes this possible.

 

Posted by: Monty at April 04, 2013 05:50 AM (G8OwX)

127 I have done a lot of investing in this. Certain companies are capitalizing on the trend: desktimeapp.com, nextspace.us, coworkchicago.com, shiftgig.com. Humanities majors have their place. No matter what company you start or work for, they need sales and marketing people. Humanities taught the right way gives you a nice canon to rely on for original creative thought and problem solving. Don't discount a good humanities program Creative thinkers are able to synthesize data from different places and apply it in unique ways. That being said, we do need lots of programmers and scientists to scale the operations.

Posted by: pointsnfigures at April 04, 2013 05:50 AM (MOSsR)

128 @ 113 TheQuietMan

My family is from Jamaica. Got a problem with that?

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 05:50 AM (Dblg7)

129

"Bush sunk the country and Obama is still cleaning up
the mess. When Hillary gets in power, she will fix it up and we will be
back in the 90's again."

 

 

 

 

This,  folks,  is  from  where  our  revenge  shall  come.  Lefties  are  so  deeply  immersed  in  advancing  their  ideology  that  they  have  lost  the  ability  to  discern  a breeze at their backs from  an impending storm.  There will  be  a  reckoning  for  all  the debt  and  bureaucratic  morass  we've  accumulated  under  SCOAMF  and  no  politician,  Democrat  or  Republican  will  be  able  to  fix  it.   Take  care  of  yourselves  and  your  loved  ones  and  just  sit   back  and  enjoy  when  the  people  who  voted  for  all  this  mess  reap  what  they  have  sowed.  It's  "The  Little  Red  Hen"   made  real.

Posted by: Foul Harold at April 04, 2013 05:50 AM (m/WmK)

130 Good article. My heart didn't break though at hearing how difficult it was in Washington for poli-sci majors.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 04, 2013 05:50 AM (AC0lD)

131 Lack of wage growth destroyed America's economy.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 09:48 AM (Dblg7)



2004. A full 3 years after you say the All Powerful Bush singlehandedly stagnated wages. Try again.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 05:51 AM (da5Wo)

132 Obama kicked your asses last year and you all are still hurt over it. I love seeing the helplessness of Republithugs.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 05:51 AM (Dblg7)

133 Lack of wage growth destroyed America's economy. Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 09:48 AM (Dblg7)

I'm typing this real slow because I know you can't read very fast.

Keep following the logic trail.  What caused the lack of wage growth?  C'mon!  I know you can do it!  Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:52 AM (sbV1u)

134 I'm still waiting for that definition of racism, Kraze.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 04, 2013 05:53 AM (BsxM8)

135 Same way that I don't believe the average person can "follow their dreams" and find fulfilling work that they love and make lots of money doing it. Posted by: Monkeytoe at April 04, 2013 09:46 AM (sOx93) I"ve also never seen a single episode of "Murphy Brown." As a matter of fact, I've never seen an episode of "Dallas" either. As a further matter of fact, I suspect there are a great number of series of which I have never seen a single episode. Of course you can lecture me about how foolish this is or something.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 04, 2013 05:53 AM (bb5+k)

136 Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 09:52 AM (sbV1u)



Now you've done it. You've gone from racism to inter-species homophobia.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 05:53 AM (da5Wo)

137 This, folks, is from where our revenge shall come. Lefties are so deeply immersed in advancing their ideology that they have lost the ability to discern a breeze at their backsfrom an impending storm. There will be a reckoning for all the debt and bureaucratic morass we've accumulated under SCOAMF and no politician, Democrat or Republican will be able to fix it. Posted by: Foul Harold at April 04, 2013 09:50 AM (m/WmK)

This goes straight to my definition of "liberal" as being "a person who cannot comprehend economics"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:53 AM (sbV1u)

138 jamaica mon

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 05:53 AM (GVxQo)

139 Obama kicked your asses last year and you all are still hurt over it. I love seeing the helplessness of Republithugs. Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 09:51 AM (Dblg7) I look forward to the time when the starting pistol is fired and we can simply hunt you idiots down as opposed to arguing with you. It's far less trouble and a lot more satisfying.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 04, 2013 05:54 AM (bb5+k)

140 #136  Isn't it better to say a "visually impaired" squirrel? 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 05:54 AM (wbmaj)

141 Troll in here this a.m.? Evidence says 'yes'

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 05:55 AM (aDwsi)

142 It's far less trouble and a lot more satisfying. Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 04, 2013 09:54 AM (bb5+k)

Just remember the 8 Steady Hold Factors and don't let your excitement get the best of you.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:55 AM (sbV1u)

143 what's the employment rate in jamaica?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 05:56 AM (GVxQo)

144 Barb @ 35:
That's why I said some. But--just like in America in general--the FSA contingent in teaching outnumbers those who actually care.

My mother, aunt, SIL and several others in my family are or were teachers. You need to make sure she takes the courses and gets the qualifications to get a job at a private or charter school. Or she'll burn out before she has tenure.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 04, 2013 05:56 AM (VjL9S)

145 Kraze still hasn't addressed this:

He claims Bush was so powerful he could destroy the economy in 10 months.  He also claims Obama is so weak that he couldn't fix it in five years. 

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 05:56 AM (fwARV)

146 Just remember the 8 Steady Hold Factors and don't let your excitement get the best of you.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 09:55 AM (sbV1u)



Or, you know, beehives.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 05:56 AM (da5Wo)

147

Just remember the 8 Steady Hold Factors

 

What are those?

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 04, 2013 05:56 AM (BsxM8)

148 He claims Bush was so powerful he could destroy the economy in 10 months. He also claims Obama is so weak that he couldn't fix it in five years. Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 09:56 AM (fwARV)

Logic is racist!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:56 AM (sbV1u)

149 what's the crime rate in jamaica?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 05:57 AM (GVxQo)

150 What are those? Posted by: Grey Fox at April 04, 2013 09:56 AM (BsxM

Google 'em

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:57 AM (sbV1u)

151 oh dear.....jamaica......the most homophobic place on EARTH!!!!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 05:57 AM (GVxQo)

152 He claims Bush was so powerful he could destroy the economy in 10 months. He also claims Obama is so weak that he couldn't fix it in five years.


Nothing another trillion dollars won't fix!  Kraze has no idea just how fucked we all are.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 05:57 AM (GQ8sn)

153 Or, you know, beehives. Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 09:56 AM (da5Wo)

I actually like that better because you worry about windage and elevation less.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:58 AM (sbV1u)

154 @ 143 phoenixgirl

I don't care, I live here. What's your beef? You hurt that your boy Bush was a failure?

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 05:58 AM (Dblg7)

155 My family is from Jamaica. Got a problem with that?

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 09:50 AM (Dblg7)




Not as long as you go back there. Wait, I know. RACISM!!!!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 05:58 AM (1Jaio)

156 If you are doing an internship and working as a waitress/barista, then you actually ARE a waitress/barista. That article is about people killing time, waiting for a government/non profit job to show up.

There are two problems no one has mentioned. The first is all those laws preventing young people from working while in their teens. I used to sort cherries and that was a summer job that teenagers also did. They changed the laws so that you could only work teenagers 60 hours a week, with limits on hours per day. During cherry harvest, you work 10 hour days 7 days a week. The company stopped hiring teenagers. Young people do not learn how to work, when we prevent them from working. The other problem is that we seem to be raising young people that don't understand that they will have to support themselves. Why else would they spend time in school getting worthless degrees?

Posted by: notsothoreau at April 04, 2013 05:58 AM (Lqy/e)

157 Nothing another trillion dollars won't fix! Kraze has no idea just how fucked we all are. Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 09:57 AM (GQ8sn)

If he had to face the reality of it, he'd go insane.

Weak minds always do.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:58 AM (sbV1u)

158 I just ran over a visually impaired squirrel.  I swear the little fucker jumped in front of the car.  I told the cops it was definitely a suicide. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 05:59 AM (wbmaj)

159

@151  phoenixgirl

They do not like battyboys down there.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 05:59 AM (Dblg7)

160


>>>I look forward to the time when the starting pistol is fired and we can simply hunt you idiots down as opposed to arguing with you.

 

Come now, that's uncalled for. Obama's policies, economic collapse and troubles elsewhere look to be ginning up a nice big war to throw whole brigades of fucktards into. Lefties always figure it was WWII which got us out of the Depression and they'll seek to repeat that.

Posted by: Bigby's Fisting uh.. Fist at April 04, 2013 05:59 AM (3ZtZW)

161 My family is from Jamaica. Got a problem with that?


Posted by: Kraze at April 04,

Cool.  How many of them are net tax payers?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 05:59 AM (fwARV)

162

The idea that everyone can have a job they love making good money is the kind of childish nonsense that is portrayed as wisdom these days.

-------------

I like my job (on most days). I am good at it, and I don't dread getting up in the mornings. I take satisfaction from doing it, and feel as though I have accomplished something worthwhile at the end of the day. Ultimately, that's enough for me.

I don't love my job because my job can't love me back. I save my love for my family, lovers, and friends. But then I don't define myself by the work I do. I'd still be me even if I were an insurance adjuster or a fireman or a garbage collector or a park ranger. To me, my job is just a gig that pays the bills. I like it, but it's not my everything. If I lost this job, I'd get another one. I might make less money; I might make more. I might not like the new job as well as this one. But I'd do the new job as best I could.

Should a time come when I have enough money saved to retire, I will quit working and live off of my savings and do things I enjoy. Until then, I'll continue to get up every weekend morning and work for pay. I don't consider that any kind of cosmic injustice. It's just the way life is, and pretty much always has been.

 

Posted by: Monty at April 04, 2013 06:00 AM (G8OwX)

163 Mission Accomplished!

Posted by: Bill Ayers at April 04, 2013 06:00 AM (dSE0q)

164 It's too early to fight.  I'm just not in the mood.  Plus, I'm drunk. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 06:00 AM (wbmaj)

165 The Job Market WILL continue to blow goats ass when you blow a $423,500.00 grant to teach "Correct Condom Use" & you don't create one single fucking job. http://tinyurl.com/c44pfed There should be jail time for this. The perfesser could instruct him jailhouse boyfriends on the proper use.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 04, 2013 06:00 AM (GFM2b)

166 I heard ABC News is going to change their nightly format. At the end of each night's news there will be a short segment highlighting some business that got government money, only to lay off people or go belly up. It's going to start next week and run nightly until they can't find any more examples.

Posted by: Ed Anger at April 04, 2013 06:00 AM (tOkJB)

167 There's been too much racism, mon. Too much pain.

Posted by: Lord Humugous of the Jamaican Wasteland at April 04, 2013 06:00 AM (NFTWK)

168 Hey, that's my line!

Posted by: Zombie Antonio Gramsci at April 04, 2013 06:01 AM (dSE0q)

169

@ 155TheQuietMan

I'll go back to Jamaica, when you go back to Europe. How about that? I know Republicans hate immigrants and you would round us all up and deport us. Heck Republicans would probably do even worse than deport Immigrants.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:01 AM (Dblg7)

170 what's the crime rate in jamaica?

Astronomical and climbing.

I have an acquaintance who is a HARDCORE lefty.  Think 65, balding, grey pony tail, has always worked a government job at either date or Federal level.  He's a contractor to my office every once in a while. 

He married a Jamaican girl, had a house there.  They had to leave.  He sold the pad and bought another one in Costa Rica because it was getting so bad.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:02 AM (sbV1u)

171 You didn't destroy that

Posted by: Barack Obacki at April 04, 2013 06:02 AM (dSE0q)

172 1.) The ACLU has a surprise for Harry Reid– Even the liberal-leaning organization doesn’t support his gun bill. TheDC’s Vince Coglianese reports: heh. dailycaller

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 06:02 AM (XYSwB)

173 pass the dutchie mon.....pass the dutchie....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:02 AM (GVxQo)

174

I'm actually nonplussed by the jobless claims jump.  After all, that week included Good Friday, and a whole heap of school districts still use Easter as the center point of spring break.

 

On the other hand, if there's another 25K jump in that number next week, or if it doesn't drop below 370K the following week, we'll be shifting from stagnation to recession on the jobs front.

Posted by: steveegg at April 04, 2013 06:02 AM (o44nj)

175 This is sub-Hector material. Sub-erg even. Really bad.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 06:02 AM (FsUAO)

176 @ 161 Washington Nearsider

How much of your family are in trailer parks?

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:02 AM (Dblg7)

177 They do not like battyboys down there.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 09:59 AM (Dblg7)


Homophobe

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 06:03 AM (1Jaio)

178 The Job Market WILL continue to blow goats ass when you blow a $423,500.00 grant to teach "Correct Condom Use" & you don't create one single fucking job.

What?!?!  There's instructions on how to put it on correctly inside the box, complete with pictures and everything!  Some of them have pics of the girl parts too!!!

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 06:03 AM (GQ8sn)

179 137
This goes straight to my definition of "liberal" as being "a person who cannot comprehend economics" Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 09:53 AM
=========

Among other things....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 06:03 AM (aDwsi)

180

Yes you all did destroy that.

 

Mission Accomplished

Posted by: Zombie Saul Alinsky at April 04, 2013 06:03 AM (dSE0q)

181 How many times has the JEF promised to "focus on jobs?"

What's funny is, we all knew he wouldn't yet that was good enough to sucker so many of the unemployed to vote for him again.

If I could require just one college course it'd be this: "A time in the life of a millionaire." A random amount of time, so they don't know when it ends, where they have to keep the same schedule as a millionaire. Getting up at 5 every day, going to bed at 11:30/12, answering phone calls, emails, visiting the job site, never stopping the whole time. For weeks and weeks and gawd when will it end?!

OWS only works when the richest people they know are their professors sitting fat on 6 figure salaries teaching one or two classes a day. Everyone else works 70 hours a week minimum to make that.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 04, 2013 06:03 AM (VjL9S)

182 Heck Republicans would probably do even worse than deport Immigrants.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:01 AM (Dblg7)




You'll have to take that up with Hector

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 06:03 AM (1Jaio)

183 @ 173 phoenixgirl

Now we are talking shorty!

:-)

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:03 AM (Dblg7)

184 I'm not totally buying this idea that the majority of millenials are getting "worthless" college degrees. I think this is an exaggerated phenomenon, one that gets widespread coverage because it fits a narrative, especially in conjunction with the Occupy Wall Street movement. What I've observed over the course of my career in education is a two-part phenomenon: 1. a huge shift in emphasis AWAY from hard work / attendance / personal responsibility and toward test scores 2. the complete and total obliteration of most hands-on, vocational training opportunities These two phenomenons go hand in hand. I could write a book on the "unintended consequences" of standardized testing, but here's the short version: Because schools and teachers are judged primarily based on how many kids can pass a standardized test, all data analysis is based on identifying which students cannot meet these basic proficiency standards. Course content is narrowed to the point of meaninglessness because what's important is that the kid can perform the mental tasks necessary to pass the test. In other words, what the kid knows, how hard the kid works, whether or not he/she shows up becomes IRRELEVANT. What is important is that teachers / schools can get the kid to pass the HIGH STAKES assessment. Thus, schools (as one might expect) simply DO NOT TEACH real content knowledge (think history....) and DO NOT teach about the importance of effort / hard work. This emphasis on test scores has also coincided with a movement to get all of our kids "college-ready," a ludicrous, utopian goal that devalues and ghettoizes the trades. When I first started teaching, our school had an extremely popular HOME CONSTRUCTION class taught by a great man / military veteran. John would take 10 - 15 high school punks and would crank out a house a year (with the help of some licensed contractors). These kids learned a number of skills, but, most importantly, they learned how to work hard. Nowadays, there are huge waiting lists to get into our county-wide technical school because local districts simply do NOT offer any type of vocational training on site. These programs have been jettisoned as schools focus all of their efforts on teaching test-measured skills. These developments are sad, in my opinion, and are the direct result of our country's misguided attempt to turn local education into a one-size fits all, multiple-choice, happy horseshit, data playground. My two sons will NOT take a state or federally mandated standardized test throughout their educational careers. I have already sent a letter to our district's superintendent, citing my recognized right to direct my child's education. While all of the other sheeple are sitting on computers taking their CORE STANDARDS assessments, each of my kids will be reading a book. Maybe when they get older, I'll suggest they read Hayek or Thomas Sowell - something about the unintended consequences of government intervention....

Posted by: stickety at April 04, 2013 06:03 AM (+Vm+w)

185

Kraze:  I offer you my water pipe---

One Love! One Heart!
Let's get together and feel all right.
Hear the children cryin' (One Love!);
Hear the children cryin' (One Heart!),
Sayin': give thanks and praise to the Lord and I will feel all right;
Sayin': let's get together and feel all right. Wo wo-wo wo-wo!

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 06:03 AM (wbmaj)

186

weekend morning

 

WeekDAY morning, that is. I reserve my weekends for hobo hunting over at the trainyards.

 

Posted by: Monty at April 04, 2013 06:03 AM (G8OwX)

187 All trolls are Average Joe.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 04, 2013 06:04 AM (QupBk)

188 sean our jamaican boi is used to underperformance...that's why he's comfortable with the current white house occupant....high crime? no problem mon.....high unemployment? no problem mon.....it's the white mons fault.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:04 AM (GVxQo)

189 I love it when a plan comes together.

Posted by: Zombie Karl Marx at April 04, 2013 06:04 AM (dSE0q)

190 I heard ABC News is going to change their nightly format. At the end of each night's news there will be a short segment highlighting some business that got government money, only to lay off people or go belly up. It's going to start next week and run nightly until they can't find any more examples. IOW, it'll be on forever.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 04, 2013 06:05 AM (GFM2b)

191 @ 185 Fourth Virginia

Not bad!

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:05 AM (Dblg7)

192 How much of your family are in trailer parks? Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:02 AM (Dblg7)

Oh!  Oh!

You're a racist!

See?  Doesn't it feel better to finally out yourself now?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:06 AM (sbV1u)

193

@ 188 phoenixgirl

Have you been to Jamiaca?

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:06 AM (Dblg7)

194 My family all live in single-family homes.  None of them make more than $100,000 per year, I am the least educated with only a BA.  I am also the only one since my two grandfathers to serve in the military. 

Are your relatives on the 'deliquent taxpayer' list?
www.jamaicatax.gov.jm

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 06:06 AM (fwARV)

195

I save my love for my family, lovers, and friends.

 

Fucking 1%ers.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at April 04, 2013 06:07 AM (BrQrN)

196 our jamaican boi is used to underperformance...that's why he's comfortable with the current white house occupant....high crime? no problem mon.....high unemployment? no problem mon.....it's the white mons fault..... Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 10:04 AM (GVxQo)

Well, this is sorta why Jamaica is a socialist shitpile and always will be.  The only thing that's keeping it afloat is tourist money.  But...no more.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:07 AM (sbV1u)

197 RickB, April Fools Day was 3 days ago.

Posted by: steveegg at April 04, 2013 06:07 AM (o44nj)

198 Equally depressing nude post.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 04, 2013 06:07 AM (QupBk)

199 Oh, and I'd be remiss if I didn't plug the Pioneer Project.

We can bitch and complain and that's all good and well. But, it's a waste of time if we don't at least do something.

There are still good jobs to be had and created in America. But we've got to stop falling for the Democrats line that until the government acts, nothing can be done.

So that means figuring out what we can do to help those of us who still want to do.

See Allen's blog that doesn't exist for more details.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 04, 2013 06:07 AM (VjL9S)

200 @ 192 Sean Bannion

My Grandfather was a White Englishman and my Grandma was Indian.

Feel stupid now, don't you?

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:07 AM (Dblg7)

201 Now, Kraze, since you've gotten your personal attacks out of the way, perhaps you can address my question.

Explain how Bush was so powerful and capable that he wrecked the economy in 10 months and how Obama is so weak and incapable that he hasn't been able to save it in five years. 

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 06:08 AM (fwARV)

202 To be successful from here on out is going to require a broad-based set of skills, a high level of mobility and flexibility, and a willingness to do hard and unpleasant work for relatively little pay. That's the "new normal" that everybody's talking about. Freelance and short-term gigs are going to be far more common as firms strive to keep their core payrolls low. I was pondering the mobility/flexibility issue in conjunction with all the hand wringing going on about how Kids These Days don't want to own a home. Many pixels are being slain in an attempt to analyze why that is with many of the commentariat coming to the conclusion that this is because there are so many kids, who are watching their parents and other relatives and family friends lose everything in the housing market, have no belief or desire that owning a home is a financially positive decision. Certainly that's part of it, but I think the flexibility/mobility issue is being given too little attention. If you accept that in order to have any type of job, let alone a career, you will have to be willing to move and if you also are minimally observant and see that it takes months and months and months to sell a home, then it makes no sense, at all, to buy a house. If you have to be willing to uproot your life and transplant it elsewhere, you can't be tied to a location. Now, maybe this will change and more and more jobs become based in a virtual office but I have huge doubts about that. I've been told for 20+ years that the era of the office is over. It hasn't even come close to happening yet. Besides, you can't drill for oil or work in a natural gas field remotely. Home ownership in a transitional economy only makes sense if the housing market is fluid. When it's in stasis, like now, then home ownership is a huge negative, not a positive. I've been beating the drum about how everyone is going to end up being a consultant for awhile now. Come 2014, I don't see why any business would have actual employees. What possible benefit is there to the company? Given the current state of the economy and the current job market, it's not as if providing a solid benefit package will be needed to keep the best employees. Hell, right now my criteria for evaluating a potential employer is do I think you are in a solid enough position that my paychecks for the next three months will clear? That's it. Benefits? Ahahahahahaha. Why, you must think a savings account in a bank once paid more than .04% too! I'm actually even gloomier than this about the state of the world. I'm praying for the bang and not the whimper.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 06:08 AM (VtjlW)

203 come to jamaica mon! so my family can murder you! but no worries mon! you'll be high and happy!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:08 AM (GVxQo)

204 Heck Republicans would probably do even worse than deport Immigrants. Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:01 AM (Dblg7)

No.  Just the illiterate ones with no skills.

We'll keep the docs, engineers and architects.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:08 AM (sbV1u)

205 late to the thread, just finished my income tax.  But my 2 cents


I don't see there being much difference between the things as they were when I graduated vs now.  Colleges will still do a fair job teaching kids, so will most High Schools.  BUT; the big caveat there is still the same.  The student must be motivated to learn.



Fox did a special a couple of months ago abut jobs for young people.  There ARE jobs out there and they are going begging for someone. of course you must start low on the totem pole but that has always been the case unless you were the boss's son.


If I had to say one thing in general it is that due to changes to society brought about by LBJ I don't see young people being as motivated now as they were 30 or 40 years ago. The general attitude seems to be that the country owes me and I want mine.


As for Engineers, I told you folks what my younger brother said about their attitude coming straight out of college.


They expect 40 hour day shift jobs, 100K starting, no travel and weekends off.   Now that is one thing I do blame the colleges for.

Posted by: Vic at April 04, 2013 06:09 AM (53z96)

206 I'm not totally buying this idea that the majority of millenials are getting "worthless" college degrees. I think this is an exaggerated phenomenon, one that gets widespread coverage because it fits a narrative, especially in conjunction with the Occupy Wall Street movement.

My stepson's college started offering "sustainable development" majors and degrees when that shit started a few years ago.  They do not have core courses in the hard sciences, and what science classes they do list are in the "social sciences".  My stepson who graduated with a sustainable dev degree is not able to actually use it.  He would have been better off had he joined the Peace Corps or interned with the Amish.  Either would have actually taught him valuable skills.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 06:09 AM (GQ8sn)

207

I feel compelled to issue a blanket warning about racial stuff. No one's stepped over the line yet, but just be aware: Ace will drop the hammer on anyone dropping racist slurs (even "hidden" ones, so don't try the "just joking" card). I don't want to have to babysit the thread, either.

Like I said, I'm not directing this at anyone in particular because no one's stepped over the line yet. But the yellow light is flashing. If it goes red, the hammer comes down.

 

Posted by: Monty at April 04, 2013 06:09 AM (G8OwX)

208 I'm actually even gloomier than this about the state of the world. I'm praying for the bang and not the whimper. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 10:08 AM (VtjlW)

Brownie?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:09 AM (sbV1u)

209 Like I said, I'm not directing this at anyone in particular because no one's stepped over the line yet. But the yellow light is flashing. If it goes red, the hammer comes down. Posted by: Monty at April 04, 2013 10:09 AM (G8OwX)

Monty, mark my words, the first person to cross the line, will be the troll.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:10 AM (sbV1u)

210 There is a flip side that inhibits people from following STEM subjects. Even if you get a degree, there's still no guarantee of getting a good job. The reason is the flood of H1-B's into this country. Companies claim they need them because they can't hire enough trained American workers. That's half the truth. The whole truth is that they can't hire enough at a price they're willing to pay. Fifteen years ago, India adopted an industrial policy where they would train programmers and dump them on the world market. In India, there is almost nonexistent domestic demand for IT. Domestic labor rates are so low in India that it makes more sense to hire someone to write in a ledger book than buy a PC. This from an unemployed programmer with 30 years experience. Sometimes I feel like I'm competing with half of Chennai.

Posted by: Count de Money at April 04, 2013 06:11 AM (t2qrY)

211 Feel stupid now, don't you? Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:07 AM (Dblg7)

Not at all.

You're still a racist.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:11 AM (sbV1u)

212 I'm actually even gloomier than this about the state of the world. I'm praying for the bang and not the whimper.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 10:08 AM (VtjlW)



So....we don't like the movie?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 06:11 AM (da5Wo)

213

When I was growing up, the families across the street consisted of a brewery worker (Strohs), a Wonder Bread truck driver and an independent barber.

 

Each one had bought a decent little house, their wives didn't work, they all bought new cars about every two years, took non-lavish vacations every year for a couple of weeks and had at least two kids each.

 

Can you imagine what that kind of life would cost now?

Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 06:12 AM (u2a4R)

214

@ 203 phoenixgirl

I thought you were just being funny, instead you are being a bigoted bitch. You know nothing about Jamaica.

My family when they first got here voted Republican. They stopped when racists like you took over the party. I'll let you racism stand.

Stick to your stupid desert.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:12 AM (Dblg7)

215 211 Sean Bannion

Look in the mirror chichi man.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:13 AM (Dblg7)

216 My family when they first got here voted Republican. They stopped when racists like you took over the party. I'll let you racism stand.
Stick to your stupid desert.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:12 AM (Dblg7)




Which racists would that be? Please, name names of the leaders that are racists.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 06:13 AM (da5Wo)

217 Can you imagine what that kind of life would cost now? Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 10:12 AM (u2a4R)

That sounds like my family, and my neighborhood, when I was a kid.

And I can't afford that now.  Even with a full-time job, a pension, and a VA disability check.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:13 AM (sbV1u)

218 Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 10:12 AM (u2a4R) I was one of the neighbor kids?

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at April 04, 2013 06:14 AM (Qxe/p)

219

Posted by: Monty at April 04, 2013 10:09 AM (G8OwX)

I'll apologize for getting close.  I tried to get back on topic. 

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 06:14 AM (fwARV)

220 190 I heard ABC News is going to change their nightly format. At the end of each night's news there will be a short segment highlighting some business that got government money, only to lay off people or go belly up.

It's going to start next week and run nightly until they can't find any more examples.


IOW, it'll be on forever. Posted by: rickb223 at April 04, 2013 10:05 AM
===========

Well, it would be easy to find the (ex)companies. I have never witnessed a kiss-of-death so certain as Obama showing up for an opening. YouTube is rife with examples of Obonger droning on at the opening of some business, "Shows what we can do, blah, blah. Will create 10,000 new jobs, blah,blah..".

And then..., and then..., splat...., the repo guys show up.

Honestly, people talk about the Gore Effect, but the Oblammer effect is at least as deadly. Any employee at a plant visited by Obama should just go ahead and arrange an industrial 'accident' and claim disability, cause the plant has just taken a cosmic hit on the nose.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 06:14 AM (aDwsi)

221 aw....you don't subscribe to "one love...." how un-jamaican of you.....i bet you've never been to the desert........you pro humidityist!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:15 AM (GVxQo)

222 Which racists would that be? Please, name names of the leaders that are racists. Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 10:13 AM (da5Wo)

He can't.

But I do note all the famous racists of the last 60 years were.....Democrats.

A fact conveniently ignored by....Democrats.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:15 AM (sbV1u)

223 @ 207 Monty

Thank you. The anti-Jamaica crap from Phoenixgirl is offensive. She probably sees a Black man or a Rican and runs.

I wish more Republicans were like you.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:15 AM (Dblg7)

224 I just heard last weekend that my old high school no longer has vo-tech. They used to have a good auto shop and being in TX, welding was a big thing. I guess everyone HAS to go to college now because they cut programs that actually teach worthwhile trades.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at April 04, 2013 06:15 AM (UU0OF)

225 My family when they first got here voted Republican. They stopped when racists like you took over the party. I'll let you racism stand.
Stick to your stupid desert.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:12 AM (Dblg7)




Hey look everyone. It's Colin Powell. What's a stupid desert?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 06:16 AM (1Jaio)

226 Brownie? Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 10:09 AM (sbV1u) Thanks! That will go nicely with my donut. So....we don't like the movie? Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 10:11 AM (da5Wo) Awww, thank you for volunteering to help me get my daily dose of stomping out of the way. *stompstompstompstompstomp*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 06:16 AM (VtjlW)

227 Look in the mirror chichi man.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:13 AM (Dblg7)



Oh look, gay slurs. How very...progressive of you.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 06:16 AM (da5Wo)

228 Well Monty I see the "B" word there.  I think that is on Ace's list of proscribed terms to be calling people here.

Posted by: Vic at April 04, 2013 06:16 AM (53z96)

229

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:12 AM (Dblg7)

 

Over the line. Issue an apology or feel Ace's wrath.

I changed your post to remove the slur.

I'm not going to say it again: play nice or else.

 

Posted by: Monty at April 04, 2013 06:17 AM (G8OwX)

230 Thank you. The anti-Jamaica crap from Phoenixgirl is offensive. She probably sees a Black man or a Rican and runs. I wish more Republicans were like you.

See, now, I I called a Puerto Rican a "Rican" I'd be a racist.

But the racist calls a Puerto Rican a "Rican" and he's cool.

Uh huh.  Riiiiight.

Racist.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:17 AM (sbV1u)

231 You're a fucking idiot, Monty.

Posted by: andrew breitbart at April 04, 2013 06:17 AM (WHlj/)

232

@ 221 phoenixgirl

You would be surprised if your Party dropped the racism, how many Blacks would vote for you.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:17 AM (Dblg7)

233 223 @ 207 Monty

I wish more Republicans were like you.
Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:15 AM
========

Well..., there's an irony, I wish fewer  Democrats were like you.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 06:17 AM (aDwsi)

234

Never discount the role of fate in your career. If you had taken me aside right out of college and showed me the job I'm doing now (and have been doing for almost 20 years), I would have been flummoxed.

---

Which points out that new industries evolve BEFORE the degree is even invented. I know my Dad went from the mail room to mainframe computer operator before they invented degrees in IT and CS.

Hard worker, willing to learn on the job is a good combo.

 

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 04, 2013 06:17 AM (SO2Q8)

235 Thank you. The anti-Jamaica crap from Phoenixgirl is offensive. She probably sees a Black man or a Rican and runs.

I wish more Republicans were like you.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:15 AM (Dblg7)



Monty said no racist crap. Jamaican isn't a race. It's a nationality. But thanks again for playing mon!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 06:18 AM (da5Wo)

236

192 How much of your family are in trailer parks? Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:02 AM (Dblg7)

 

There was a guy that made great money in trailer parks. He'd buy used mobile homes from people looking to leave for a couple thousand dollars cash and the sellers always wanted lump sum cash.

 

He'd fix up the homes, and sell to buyers creating notes for 2 years or more. The buyers always wanted to buy the mobile home on installments.

 

In the process, he'd make crazy level percentage returns on his money.

 

Not a standard job, but creativity in finding a need to fill shouldn't be underestimated.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 04, 2013 06:18 AM (AC0lD)

237 I didn't know Serbs were from Jamaica. The More You Know!

Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2013 06:18 AM (D5hxK)

238

That sounds like my family, and my neighborhood, when I was a kid.

And I can't afford that now. Even with a full-time job, a pension, and a VA disability check.

 

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 10:13 AM (sbV1u)

 

On top of that, all the husbands and wives smoked two packs of cigarettes a day.  Imagine what that would cost now.

Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 06:18 AM (u2a4R)

239 Kraze,

Monty has given you your warning. Knock it off.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at April 04, 2013 06:18 AM (jZUEZ)

240 I've been, at various times, a shipping clerk, a line cook, a laborer, a cowboy, a computer repairman, a software developer, a technical writer, a teacher, and a farmhand. Wearing assless chaps at the Blue Parrot nightclub on Jake Gyllenhaal Night doesn't make one a cowboy.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 04, 2013 06:18 AM (MBqvE)

241 Can't believe I'm feeding a troll...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 06:18 AM (aDwsi)

242 @ 230 Sean Bannion

Rican is a term of endearment us Jamaicans call them. If you used it, it would not be racist on the surface. But being a  Republican I would be suspicious.

I have encountered Republican racism. Its what turned off my family.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:19 AM (Dblg7)

243

Wearing assless chaps at the Blue Parrot nightclub on Jake Gyllenhaal Night doesn't make one a cowboy.

-------------

That's not what the guy at the store said.

 

Posted by: Monty at April 04, 2013 06:19 AM (G8OwX)

244 Wow!  A cowboy and a software engineer.

Monty is a true Renaissance Man.


Posted by: Al at April 04, 2013 06:20 AM (V70Uh)

245 I don't know if Kraze is a sock or not, but the motherfucker can not spell for shit. Maybe it is the language barrier.LOL!

Posted by: 'Ette in training at April 04, 2013 06:20 AM (zvxqj)

246 I have encountered Republican racism. Its what turned off my family.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:19 AM (Dblg7)



Again, name them. Prove it. Who in the Republican party is a racist?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 06:20 AM (da5Wo)

247

@ 239 Gabriel Malor

What about Phoenixigirls' slick racial attacks on Jamaicans? She gets a pass right?

Why the double standard?

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:20 AM (Dblg7)

248 Rican is a term of endearment us Jamaicans call them. If you used it, it would not be racist on the surface. But being a Republican I would be suspicious. Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:19 AM (Dblg7)

Oh, I got it, you have to be a non-racist-racist to get a pass to use racist terms.

"Endearment" why, that would be like....condescending.  Hmmmm.  

Noted.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:21 AM (sbV1u)

249 :::Wearing assless chaps at the Blue Parrot nightclub on Jake Gyllenhaal Night doesn't make one a cowboy.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 04, 2013 10:18 AM (MBqvE) ::::

 

***opens MS Word and revises resume***

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 04, 2013 06:21 AM (CJjw5)

250 General question to the Horde -

Is it worth pushing Kraze just a little bit further to let him get himself banned, or should we all just move over to the Dump?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 06:21 AM (fwARV)

251 Can't believe I'm feeding a troll...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 10:18 AM (aDwsi)

 

Think of it as fattening up the troll for the ogres.

Posted by: steveegg at April 04, 2013 06:21 AM (o44nj)

252 What about Phoenixigirls' slick racial attacks on Jamaicans? She gets a pass right?
Why the double standard?

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:20 AM (Dblg7)



Again trollboy, Jamaican is not a "race." It is a nationality.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 06:21 AM (da5Wo)

253 242 @ 230 Sean Bannion

Rican is a term of endearment us Jamaicans call them. If you used it, it would not be racist on the surface. But being a Republican I would be suspicious.

I have encountered Republican racism. Its what turned off my family.
Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:19 AM
================

Oh? Not moved, however by Robert Byrd's Kleagle costume?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 06:22 AM (aDwsi)

254 Wearing assless chaps at the Blue Parrot nightclub on Jake Gyllenhaal Night doesn't make one a cowboy.------------That's not what the guy at the store said. Posted by: Monty at April 04, 2013 10:19 AM (G8OwX)

Damn you, Monty!

You owe me a keyboard and a Diet Coke!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:22 AM (sbV1u)

255 Smite!  Smite! Smite!

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 04, 2013 06:22 AM (QupBk)

256 @ 246 BCochran1981

Many members of the Party are racists. Ann Coulter is racist. Rush Limbaugh is racist. Fox News is racist. Mitt Romney was a racist. Phoenixgirl is racist.

There are good Republicans like Rand Paul or Marco Rubio, but they are fighting the racist nature of their party.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:22 AM (Dblg7)

257

<<<<<I have encountered Republican racism. Its what turned off my family.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:19 AM (Dblg7)>>>>

 

I have a novel idea.  Leave,  you ignorant twat.  That way you won't have to endure  any more "racism."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 04, 2013 06:22 AM (CJjw5)

258

Sorry for also feeding. I saw the quote in another moron's post.

 

But still, great money in trailer parks.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 04, 2013 06:23 AM (AC0lD)

259 252 BCochran1981

She was mocking the way Black Jamaicans speak. That is racist.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:23 AM (Dblg7)

260 I give this troll two thumbs down.

Posted by: Caesar Eggustus at April 04, 2013 06:23 AM (o44nj)

261 You would be surprised if your Party dropped the racism, how many Blacks would vote for you.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:17 AM (Dblg7)




Thing is, the Republicans, no matter what they do will always be labeled racists by the MFM and the Democrats. It's how they stay in power and keep you blindly supporting them. There is nothing racist about the Republican Party. You're just buying into the propaganda.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 06:24 AM (1Jaio)

262 Nothing like a little projection!

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2013 06:24 AM (O/fK8)

263 Many members of the Party are racists. Ann Coulter Maxine Waters is racist. Rush Limbaugh Sheila Jackson-Lee is racist. Fox News MSNBC is racist. Mitt Romney Robert Byrd was a racist. Phoenixgirl Kraze is racist.

FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:25 AM (sbV1u)

264

@257 Empire of Jeff

Yup, Non Whites not welcomed in the GOP. What's sad is that I actually agree with the Republicans more than the Democrats.


Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:25 AM (Dblg7)

265

I mock the way Black Americans speak.

 

Does that make me a racist?

Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 06:25 AM (u2a4R)

266 Many members of the Party are racists. Ann Coulter is racist. Rush Limbaugh is racist. Fox News is racist. Mitt Romney was a racist. Phoenixgirl is racist.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:22 AM (Dblg7)



How so?




She was mocking the way Black Jamaicans speak. That is racist.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:23 AM (Dblg7)



No, she was doing an impression of a Jamaican dialect. Which is only done, and poorly, about a billion times a day. Try again.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 04, 2013 06:26 AM (da5Wo)

267 @ 239 Gabriel Malor
What about Phoenixigirls' slick racial attacks on Jamaicans? She gets a pass right?
Why the double standard?


I find myself curiously unmoved.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at April 04, 2013 06:26 AM (jZUEZ)

268 President Bill Clinton to Ted Kennedy: "You know Ted, a few years ago, Obama would have been getting us coffee."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 06:26 AM (aDwsi)

269 You're just buying into the propaganda. Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 10:24 AM (1Jaio)

If he had to think on his own and examine facts - not feelings - but facts, his entire world would collapse.

Best for him to continue in ignorance, and have his support taken for granted by Democrats as they continue to deliver nothing for him.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:26 AM (sbV1u)

270 Many members of the Party are racists. Ann Coulter is racist. Rush Limbaugh is racist. Fox News is racist. Mitt Romney was a racist. Phoenixgirl is racist.

There are good Republicans like Rand Paul or Marco Rubio, but they are fighting the racist nature of their party.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:22 AM (Dblg7)




Congratulations cliche boy you've officially just become laughably tedious.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 06:26 AM (1Jaio)

271 She was mocking the way Black Jamaicans speak. That is racist.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:23 AM (Dblg7)

No it isn't.  You're a tool.  Mocking the Russians for their accents is racist?  How?  They're white. 

Besides, you don't know if Phoenixgirl is black. 

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 06:27 AM (fwARV)

272

@ 260 TheQuietMan

That is because many Republicans are racist. I read Conservative blogs and the amount of hatred towards Marco Rubio sickens me. I like the guy and relate with his Immigrant experience. I have Cuban friends and they are great people.

This will shock you, if the Republicans nominated Rubio, I would vote for him. I like Rand Paul also.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:27 AM (Dblg7)

273 Hee.
This thread's troll is probably as about as Jamaican as Justin Bieber's sperm cells.
Doubtless a 17 year old posting from a library computer in Des Plaines, Illinois.
The middle-school level insults are a dead giveaway

Posted by: LeBron Steinman at April 04, 2013 06:28 AM (jfWE9)

274 why is the one who's wrong always the one whose mad?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:28 AM (GVxQo)

275 I haven't read all the comments but, has anyone noted that Average Joe sucks cock by choice yet?

Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at April 04, 2013 06:28 AM (evdj2)

276

@ 268 Sean Bannion

I have a surprise for you. I would vote for Rubio or Rand Paul against any Democrat in 2016.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:28 AM (Dblg7)

277 264
I mock the way Black Americans speak.

Does that make me a racist? Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 10:25 AM
=========

I speak Jive

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 06:29 AM (aDwsi)

278 Besides, you don't know if Phoenixgirl is black. Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 10:27 AM (fwARV)

He doesn't care.  He has a little cartoon in his head as to who people must be and it animates his whole world.

Sorta like watching Nickleodeon all the time.

Or, in his case, Sprout.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:29 AM (sbV1u)

279 Yup, Non Whites not welcomed in the GOP. What's sad is that I actually agree with the Republicans more than the Democrats.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:25 AM (Dblg7)




So who's supporting and who's attacking Dr. Ben Carson? I'd vote for him or Allen West over any white liberal any day of the week.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 06:29 AM (1Jaio)

280

Kraze has Cuban friends.

 

In light of that fact, how can anyone possibly question his/her open mindedness.

Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 06:30 AM (u2a4R)

281 273 why is the one who's wrong always the one whose mad? Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 10:28 AM
=========

Be more succinct about the word 'mad'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 06:30 AM (aDwsi)

282 interesting....i doubt rand paul would vote for rubio.......oh noes!!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:30 AM (GVxQo)

283 279
Kraze has Cuban friends.

In light of that fact, how can anyone possibly question his/her open mindedness. Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 10:30 AM
==========

"I drive a Prius....., I can't  be a racist!

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 06:31 AM (aDwsi)

284 I have a surprise for you. I would vote for Rubio or Rand Paul against any Democrat in 2016. Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:28 AM (Dblg7)

And this makes you what, exactly?  Virtuous?

You won't do it, you wouldn't do it because Republican "racism" turned you away.  Remember?

Jeeesh, try to keep your story straight, will ya?

You're a hater, own it.  Live it.  Be it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:31 AM (sbV1u)

285 Be more succinct about the word 'mad'. Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 10:30 AM (aDwsi)

Sociopathic.

Better?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:32 AM (sbV1u)

286 I just heard last weekend that my old high school no longer has vo-tech. They used to have a good auto shop and being in TX, welding was a big thing. I guess everyone HAS to go to college now because they cut programs that actually teach worthwhile trades.
==========
Texas, afaik, is bringing back vocational education in high schools. The problem was before, there were too many "common core" classes that wouldn't allow those students to get a HS degree. Now they are making it so those in vocational education classes can still get a HS degree.

It's a pretty big deal, from what I've been told.

And it gets bonus points as it's part of a one-two punch to higher ed. The two punch being the $10k college degree we've got.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 04, 2013 06:32 AM (VjL9S)

287

Rubio and Paul are the 2 Republicans who appeal to me.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:32 AM (Dblg7)

288 Can we please add "low quality trolling" to the list of criteria for deploying TBH3K? This is getting tedious...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at April 04, 2013 06:32 AM (fMiHM)

289

Just a social question...

 

Do democrats keep their I Phone lists catagorized by race and religion?

 

Black friends

Cuban friends

Jamacian friends

Jewish friends

Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 06:33 AM (u2a4R)

290 Rubio and Paul are the 2 Republicans who appeal to me.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:32 AM (Dblg7)



Sexually?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 06:33 AM (1Jaio)

291 Can we please add "low quality trolling" to the list of criteria for deploying TBH3K? This is getting tedious... Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at April 04, 2013 10:32 AM (fMiHM)

I second that.

Gabe?  Monty?  What say you?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:33 AM (sbV1u)

292

283 Sean Bannion

I would vote for Rubio and Paul in a heartbeat. But I doubt your party will nominate a Cuban or an enemy of the Military Industrial Complex. If you do nominate either of those 2, I actually would volunteer for them and try to get as many Jamaicans, West Indians and Blacks to vote for them., Rubio and Paul are genuine and not phonies.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:34 AM (Dblg7)

293 284 Be more succinct about the word 'mad'. Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 10:30 AM (aDwsi)

Sociopathic.

Better? Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 10:32 AM
=====

Got it. Just wasn't sure whether you meant 'angry' or 'insane'. I suppose that for trollish, it's a twofer...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 06:34 AM (aDwsi)

294 Let me understand this:

Republicans are - as a group - racist, and yet they might nominate Rubio in 2016? 

Square that circle.

Also, please explain away Dr. Carson, Dr. Rice, Michael Steel, Clarence Thomas, Angela McGlowan, Lynn Swann, JC Watts, et al. 

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 06:35 AM (fwARV)

295

@ 289 TheQuietMan

I'm no batty boy!

In all seriousness, when Rubio speaks, I totally relate with what he says. He understands the struggles of the Middle Class. That is something I do not see from other Republicans. Rand Paul believes in freedom and is tired of interventionism. He is also realistic on drugs.

Rubio-Paul would be a formidable ticket. You will be shock how many people who do not vote Republican would vote for them.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:37 AM (Dblg7)

296 Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:34 AM (Dblg7)

Do you have any original thoughts?  Or are you just relying on the DNC to tell you what you think today?

You do realize you're a caricature, right?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:37 AM (sbV1u)

297 mike hammer both definitions apply

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:37 AM (GVxQo)

298 And you still haven't explained away Obama's ineptness vis a vis the economy when Bush was both smart and capable enough to destroy it in 10 months. 

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 06:38 AM (fwARV)

299

"I would vote for Rubio and Paul in a heartbeat"

 

OK, we are starting to trust you now.

 

However, if you want to be part of our community, first, you must blow us.  (everyone did this to gain entrance)

 

Let us know if you're ready and we'll make arrangements for the meetings.

Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 06:38 AM (u2a4R)

300 @ 293 Washington Nearsider

I doubt they will nominate Rubio. I see the hate directed at him by Republicans. It saddens me, because he's one of the few who appeal to a broader audience.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:38 AM (Dblg7)

301

@ 297 Washington Nearsider

The truth, Obama was handed a pile of shit from Bush. But he's incompetent like Bush. Obama is a failure like Bush.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 06:40 AM (Dblg7)

302 jwest he's no (insert kraze's homophobic ghey slur here) does he protest too much? why yes, yes he does........not that it matters if he is or not.....except to him...

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:40 AM (GVxQo)

303 I second that.

Gabe? Monty? What say you?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 10:33 AM (sbV1u)


Good enough for me. Bye, Kraze.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at April 04, 2013 06:40 AM (jZUEZ)

304 he's about 22 tops.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:41 AM (GVxQo)

305 I doubt they will nominate Rubio. I see the hate directed at him by Republicans. It saddens me, because he's one of the few who appeal to a broader audience.

Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:38 AM (Dblg7)




Disagreeing with him over some policies is not hatred. We're not Democrats who must be lemmings blindly following the leader

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 06:41 AM (1Jaio)

306 Posted by: Kraze at April 04, 2013 10:40 AM (Dblg7)

And yet you'd vote for him a third time. 

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 06:42 AM (fwARV)

307 Thanks, Gabe.

I owe you a beer.

Or 20.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:42 AM (sbV1u)

308 Good enough for me. Bye, Kraze.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at April 04, 2013 10:40 AM (jZUEZ)

 

Wait a minute.  I'm about to get our collective dicks sucked here.

 

Kraze is looking for acceptance and validation.  Nothing say welcome to the club more than a load of cum.

Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 06:43 AM (u2a4R)

309 thank you Gabe and all of you morons now i'm going to dust and moisturize....i live in a stupid desert.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:43 AM (GVxQo)

310 I would feel bad about having called in the hit, but this joint's got standards to uphold, after all. ...yes, STANDARDS. ...no, we don't have a cream for that...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at April 04, 2013 06:44 AM (fMiHM)

311

If I had kids, I would encourage them to learn a trade.  You can't outsource plumbing, electrical work, or HVAC repairs, and if you're smart and have a head for business, you can make a good living at it and feel like you've accomplished something at the end of the day.

Posted by: biancaneve at April 04, 2013 06:46 AM (6bYlh)

312 Good enough for me. Bye, Kraze.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at April 04, 2013 10:40 AM (jZUEZ)

Kaboom.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 06:46 AM (fwARV)

313 What a tedious asshole. Every fucking lefty cliche. I have a hard time believing he was real.

Posted by: SurferDoc at April 04, 2013 07:00 AM (6H6FZ)

314

If Gabe collected all the beers we owe him, he'd be half as pickled as The Swimmer in his prime.

 

Oh well; PROST!

Posted by: steveegg at April 04, 2013 07:03 AM (o44nj)

315 if it is not the function of BIG GOVERNMENT to create jobs, should they be blamed anyway? American corporations are posting record high profits and shareholder value is at an all time high. Jobs?? n well the fewer people you have to pay the larger your profits can be.

Posted by: occam at April 04, 2013 07:52 AM (TYMC8)

316 The unemployment rate for college grads runs about 50% of the overall rate. http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/05/07/vital-signs-unemployment-rate-for-college-grads/ If they don't want to work at crummy jobs well let them stay home and play video games I could not care less

Posted by: occam at April 04, 2013 08:17 AM (TYMC8)

317 I feel like I have to comment here on the dig about astrophysicists. My brother is an astrophysicist, and simultaneously the co-owner of a (profitable) software company that uses some of his code. Realistically, any of the hard sciences requires enough programming knowledge these days to make you relatively employable in the tech industry.

Posted by: TheDude at April 04, 2013 08:21 AM (UYeid)

318 I don't often experience jealousy, but I'm jealous of Outlaw Gunsmith.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at April 04, 2013 09:22 AM (JQuNB)

319 As I recently discovered, the world also needs people willing to crawl under a house and remove a decomposing skunk and/or a snarling raccoon from the attic.

Posted by: Phewy Pepe at April 04, 2013 10:30 AM (CTIW2)

320

It's more insidious than just than just retarding the growth and progess and success of the young generation. It's also wealth grab. Or wealth destroyer. My daughter cannot get student loans unless I co-sign for her and I won't do it. I'm debt free and I won't risk my house or use my pension to pay for her to go to a college for four years to get a job that pays nothing. But I know many people who have done it. They either co-sign student loans, or use lines of credit, or take money out of their pensions. I'm talking about people who are in their fifties or early 60's, worked their whole lives, and now are convinced it's their obligation to pay for their kids college education. Bullshit.

Not only is this whole college bubble hurting the young, it's going to make a helluva lot poor people in their 60's.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at April 04, 2013 10:40 AM (4zKCA)

321 I've paid for three college educations. Belay that, I'm still paying for three college educations. They are my kids, and worth it, to me. Only one falls into the "not worth it" category, financially speaking.

Posted by: MarkD at April 04, 2013 06:13 PM (+xUiW)

322 This may have been covered upstream: what's the difference between a cowboy and a farmhand? Hobo body count.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at April 04, 2013 09:43 PM (7v8o1)

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