November 21, 2013

The Leftist New York Times Just Can't Give Up Its Woobie
— Ace

They claim, again, that the dark rightwing chatter of Dallas '63 was somehow a major influence on the communist and Soviet defector Lee Harvey Oswald.

Watch how the New York Times argues not that an important constituency of the Democratic Party -- socialists and the socialist-curious left -- must reflect upon its responsibility for Kennedy's murder, but that the right must.


[T]he tension between past and present has unleashed a wave of citywide self-reflection a half-century later in a distinctly American place that is part Dallas Cowboys, part Texas excess and part urban melting pot, where the public school students come from homes where 70 languages are spoken. Painful, embarrassing memories of the angry anti-Washington culture that flourished here 50 years ago — and now seems a permanent part of the national mood — have resurfaced, confronting Dallasites daily.

An angry anti-Washington culture killed Kennedy?

Well, indeed, communists were anti-Washington (before Washington became a Socialist Beacon) and were usually pretty angry.

But that's not what they mean, is it?

Blocks from Dealey Plaza, the windows of restaurants and the lobbies of hotels are plastered with posters reading “Love” — a nonprofit group’s campaign, using artwork by schoolchildren and others, to counter the City of Hate label given Dallas after the assassination. As the city prepares for the biggest event it has ever held to mark the assassination on Friday — led by Mayor Michael S. Rawlings, a committee of civic leaders raised about $3 million in private donations for the ceremony — the focus has been on the city’s legacy as much as Kennedy’s.

“I’ve learned a lot about my city through this,” Mr. Rawlings said. “The world is peering into Dallas and saying, What’s that place all about right now, 50 years later? We’ve grown a lot, and we’ve changed a lot. The main story about Dallas is it took that punch and turned that tragedy into motivation to go to the next level.”

In the early 1960s, a small but vocal subset of the Dallas power structure turned the political climate toxic, inciting a right-wing hysteria that led to attacks on visiting public figures. In the years and months before Kennedy was assassinated, Lyndon B. Johnson; his wife, Lady Bird; and Adlai E. Stevenson, the United States ambassador to the United Nations, were jostled and spat upon in Dallas by angry mobs. In sermons, rallies, newspapers and radio broadcasts, the cityÂ’s richest oil baron, a Republican congressman, a Baptist pastor and others, including the local John Birch Society, filled Dallas with an angry McCarthyesque paranoia.

The immediate reaction of many in Dallas to the news that Kennedy had been shot was not only shock but also a sickening sense of recognition. Moments after hearing about the shooting, the wife of the Methodist bishop told Tom J. Simmons, an editor at The Dallas Morning News, “You might have known it would be Dallas.”

Uh, yes, that might have been the initial erroneous reaction from the left, who is always sure that every evil is perpetrated by a rightwinger, but what has their erroneous first reaction to do with what actually happened?

Here's where they link up the rightwing H8 to Oswald:


...

Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marxist and not a product of right-wing Dallas. But because the anti-Kennedy tenor came not so much from radical outcasts but from parts of mainstream Dallas, some say the anger seemed to come with the cityÂ’s informal blessing.

This is precisely what they did with Palin and Jared Loughner-- they attempt to claim that a man who is obviously not influenced by Palin at all is somehow indirectly influenced by "anti-government" chatter, and then he kills people.

So, you know: You're not permitted to be anti-government. An entire strain of American politics, sometimes dominant, always present, is thus claimed by the New York Times to be tantamount to murder, and hence forbidden.

How convenient for them.

Posted by: Ace at 04:44 PM | Comments (464)
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1 Say, what?

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 04:45 PM (8lmkt)

2 OMG, I feel so emboldened . . . 

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 04:45 PM (8lmkt)

3 Fine, ruin it for me.  Still first, though, best thing that happened to me all day.  So, I will just hang out and talk to myself. 

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 04:46 PM (8lmkt)

4 not last!

Posted by: tbodie at November 21, 2013 04:47 PM (MBZW0)

5 Even PBS today has stories of the Conservative hate filled attitudes that caused the killing of Kennedy. If you can't see the leftist attempts to undermine this nation then you are a fool.

Posted by: OldSarg at November 21, 2013 04:47 PM (Kbelo)

6 "Some say"-- now, where did the NYT get that expression?

Posted by: Basement Cat at November 21, 2013 04:48 PM (53cD3)

7 Ok' hi Peaches! Long time lurker here, coming out of the wood work.

Posted by: tbodie at November 21, 2013 04:48 PM (MBZW0)

8 From the same people who brought you Walter Duranty's brilliant fact-finding reports about the glorious lives of workers in the USSR under Comrade Stalin.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 21, 2013 04:48 PM (gqT4g)

9 So according to the NYT, the left is a crazy man beating himself over the head while yelling "YOU MADE ME DO THIS!"

I can't say I disagree.

Posted by: JSchuler at November 21, 2013 04:48 PM (ashPd)

10 Did right wing hate kill Lincoln too?

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 21, 2013 04:48 PM (RZ8pf)

11 Even PBS

"Even PBS???"  lol, they know what side their bread is buttered on.  and, ya know, I remember that day and everybody loved JFK, he was like the first rock star.  Except maybe LBJ, he wasn't a huge fan.

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 04:49 PM (8lmkt)

12 Never see those kinds formatting problems on posts at The Federalist. Thank me!

Posted by: Mark R. Levin at November 21, 2013 04:49 PM (NE2or)

Posted by: MISFITS at November 21, 2013 04:49 PM (2LYW2)

14 I'm beginning to think these journalists might be more interested in pushing a leftist revision of history than reporting the facts. Probably just being paranoid though.

Posted by: DC in Towson at November 21, 2013 04:50 PM (eQJwb)

15 Peaches - 217, previous thread...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 04:50 PM (aDwsi)

16 Another story about JFK in the Times, great. 

Posted by: no good deed at November 21, 2013 04:50 PM (k55Fc)

17 Well, hey, tbodie!!  Glad you de-lurked.  Set a spell.  Want a can of coors light or a parlie?  I'm here for you, buddy, and welcome.  (try the veal)

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 04:50 PM (8lmkt)

18 Oswald CAUGHT the hate.  Like a cold.

Posted by: huerfano at November 21, 2013 04:50 PM (bAGA/)

19 Not sure why it's a big deal when a Kennedy dies, it's a pretty common occurrence throughout history.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 21, 2013 04:51 PM (WdbF7)

20 I remember you could be anti-government between the years 2000 and 2008.

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 04:51 PM (doBIb)

21 I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  If a video game (Call of Duty: Black Ops) has the most coherent and interesting Kennedy conspiracy theory, somebody's doing it wrong.

Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at November 21, 2013 04:51 PM (aozUR)

22 I have it on good authority that lefty blogger Oswald did it.

Posted by: JWF at November 21, 2013 04:51 PM (1l37M)

23 Wait....  Whatever happened to "Dissent is Patriotic"?

Posted by: TXMarko at November 21, 2013 04:51 PM (3NDX1)

24 The Right Wing Conspiracy is vast as well as old.

Posted by: garrett at November 21, 2013 04:51 PM (2LYW2)

25 pure fuckin' kismet, Hammer.  when i try, i never get it.  story of  my fuckin' life.

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 04:51 PM (8lmkt)

26 well, um, yeah, because ... Mt. Saint Helen's erupted!

Posted by: Adriane... at November 21, 2013 04:51 PM (jdRXP)

27
Wow, that writer actually put in the "some say" words. 

Some say that NYT writer is an a-hole and some say Harry Reid is a pedophile.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2013 04:52 PM (iGPSR)

28 Oswald was an early Tea Partier.  Pass it on.

Posted by: MFM at November 21, 2013 04:52 PM (lVPtV)

29 I'm still waiting for the apology for all the Left wing hate in Washington DC for shooting of President Reagan.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at November 21, 2013 04:52 PM (6ahup)

30 Mind you, when Joe McCarthy called on the State Department to investigate communists there, it was "guilt by association." But when the Left fantasizes about Dallas, the Tea Party or Sarah Palin its all "seemed to" or "some say." What a crock of liberal horseshit.

Posted by: Dirty Old Man at November 21, 2013 04:52 PM (Avvys)

31 I remember you could be anti-government between the years 2000 and 2008.\

Oh yes, back when dissent was the highest form of patriotism and not racist.

Posted by: no good deed at November 21, 2013 04:52 PM (k55Fc)

32

 

Posted by: Patton Oswalt at November 21, 2013 04:52 PM (2LYW2)

33 Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marxist and not a product of right-wing Dallas. But because the anti-Kennedy tenor came not so much from radical outcasts but from parts of mainstream Dallas, some say the anger seemed to come with the cityÂ’s informal blessing. And first prize for fucked in the head goes to ......

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 21, 2013 04:52 PM (XWw96)

34 So Sarah Palin would have been what...six months old when Kennedy was assassinated. How did she pull that off?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 21, 2013 04:52 PM (N/Sup)

35 Some say that NYT writer is an a-hole and some say Harry Reid is a pedophile.


Actually, Harry Reid is a pederast.  I know it's true because he refuses to deny it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 04:53 PM (lVPtV)

36 Common Core will set the record straight.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2013 04:53 PM (IXrOn)

37 >>>21 I remember you could be anti-government between the years 2000 and 2008. Dissent is the highest form of patriotism! Speak truth to power! Comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable! (Valid only with a Republican POTUS. Other exclusions and restrictions may apply. No warranty expressed or implied)

Posted by: DC in Towson at November 21, 2013 04:53 PM (eQJwb)

38 Clearly, Oswald did this thing because of Palin and Ted Cruz.  Plus, I believe he'd spent his formative years in Peruvia.  Plotting and scheming.  Cripes, everybody knows this.

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 04:54 PM (8lmkt)

39 So Sarah Palin would have been what...six months old when Kennedy was assassinated. How did she pull that off? Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 21, 2013 08:52 PM


She's a prodigy.

Posted by: huerfano at November 21, 2013 04:54 PM (bAGA/)

40 Common Core will set the record straight.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2013 08:53 PM (IXrOn)



Yep. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 04:54 PM (lVPtV)

41 Point of fact :  I am a registered Libertarian.

Posted by: Second Shooter on Grassy Knoll at November 21, 2013 04:54 PM (2LYW2)

42 It was that Texas air that drove Oswald to The Soviet Union, that and the fact that Dallas was a dry city in 1963. Tough on a commie when you can't get a drink.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 04:54 PM (0FSuD)

43 How did she pull that off? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4yzkefot3c

Posted by: Adriane... at November 21, 2013 04:55 PM (jdRXP)

44 Thanks Peaches. If it's beer, Coors Light is much appreciated. And the veal is an excellent recommendation.

Posted by: tbodie at November 21, 2013 04:55 PM (MBZW0)

45 "Did right wing hate kill Lincoln too?"

Of course it did. Murdered Abe Lincoln the proud Democrat.

http://tinyurl.com/ku7kv7h

This is not Photoshopped, in case you were wondering. It's an actual sign at a university in Illinois. "Land of Lincoln". Lincoln the Democrat.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 21, 2013 04:55 PM (gqT4g)

46 Slight problem- I think Oswald lived in Fort Worth most of the time.

Posted by: LASue at November 21, 2013 04:55 PM (gjIQF)

47 How did she pull that off? She time travelled from the future. "Are you Lee Harvey Oswald?"

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 04:56 PM (doBIb)

48 My mistake, she was born in 1964. Even more remarkable. She reached out from the womb to knock off JFK.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 21, 2013 04:56 PM (N/Sup)

49 24 Wait.... Whatever happened to "Dissent is Patriotic"?
Posted by: TXMarko at November 21, 2013 08:51 PM (3NDX1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0


Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 21, 2013 04:56 PM (ozktE)

50

"everybody loved JFK, he was like the first rock star."

Excuse me? Oh, you mean the first political rock star.

 

OK, I'll go back to the 7-11 now.

Posted by: Elvis the Pelvis at November 21, 2013 04:56 PM (R3gO3)

51 I propose the process for transferring hate from Right Wing Rednecks to Commie Traitor Defectors be henceforth described as...... Oswaldmosis.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2013 04:56 PM (IrLKP)

52 Slight problem- I think Oswald lived in Fort Worth most of the time. Posted by: LASue ----------------------------------- When not in Cuba or Russia...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 04:56 PM (aDwsi)

53 Some say that NYT writer is an a-hole and some say Harry Reid is a pedophile. Or the converse.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 21, 2013 04:56 PM (CeNUw)

54 Did Culture of Hate in Rome Kill Julius Caesar?

Posted by: NY Times Editorial at November 21, 2013 04:56 PM (aTXUx)

55

How did she pull that off?

 

 

If you look carefully at the  Zapruder  film, you will see a bassinet on the Grassy Knoll.

Posted by: garrett at November 21, 2013 04:57 PM (2LYW2)

56 Watch the Corrections page in a few days. No doubt it will state We inadvertently called Oswald a Marxist, but, what we meant to say was Tea Party'ist.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2013 04:57 PM (IXrOn)

57 49 My mistake, she was born in 1964. Even more remarkable. She reached out from the womb to knock off JFK.


I'm on it!!!!!!

--- Andi Sullivan, vagina sleuth

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 04:57 PM (lVPtV)

58 What pasty of leftist ideology, policy, or mythology is honest?

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 21, 2013 04:57 PM (PjgvN)

59 I gotta get this fuckin' bra offa me.  Not sure why I shared that, but I know it's important to the group to know.  brb

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 04:57 PM (8lmkt)

60 "Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marxist and not a product of right-wing Dallas. But because the anti-Kennedy tenor came not so much from radical outcasts but from parts of mainstream Dallas, some say the anger seemed to come with the cityÂ’s informal blessing." Danger Will Robinson. I detect a load of cocaine and animal tranquilizer in this pile of crap.

Posted by: Sewerbot at November 21, 2013 04:57 PM (6ahup)

61 "Did atmosphere of hate in Mexico City kill Leon Trotsky?"

Posted by: NY Times Editorial at November 21, 2013 04:57 PM (aTXUx)

62 Fun fact worth noting:  Texas broke for Kennedy. 

Posted by: Dave S. at November 21, 2013 04:57 PM (UvR6d)

63 "the cityÂ’s richest oil baron, a Republican congressman, a Baptist pastor and others, including the local John Birch Society, filled Dallas with an angry McCarthyesque paranoia."
________________________

Perhaps they could have used a smidge more "Mcarthyesque paranoia" to root out the Communist who, um, killed the President?

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 21, 2013 04:57 PM (lh89W)

64 After JFK raped me, I didn't really give a shit when he got shot. Payback asshole.

Posted by: The Virgin Intern at November 21, 2013 04:58 PM (0FSuD)

65 There is a non-zero chance of spotting a picture of Che Guevara at a TEA party rally. Oswald was a big fan of Castro. Do the grammar.

Posted by: fluffy at November 21, 2013 04:58 PM (Ua6T/)

66

In Alaska, they come out of the womb firing a 12 gauge.

 

So Sarah totally did it.

Posted by: Donna V. at November 21, 2013 04:58 PM (R3gO3)

67 My mistake, she was born in 1964. Even more remarkable. She reached out from the womb to knock off JFK.

like a zygote of hate

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 04:58 PM (8lmkt)

68 Did Intolerance of Jews in Beverly Hills Kill Bugsy Siegel?

Posted by: NY Times Editorial at November 21, 2013 04:58 PM (aTXUx)

69 "Did culture of hate in Rome kill Julius Ceaser" Brutus, is that you?

Posted by: tbodie at November 21, 2013 04:59 PM (MBZW0)

70 My mistake, she was born in 1964. Even more remarkable. So was my wife. I'll have to ask her if she committed any political assassinations too.

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 04:59 PM (doBIb)

71 Atmosphere of Hate and Texting While Driving Kill Motorist on I-20 Freeway

Posted by: NY Times at November 21, 2013 05:00 PM (aTXUx)

72 Perhaps the President was assassinated in Dallas because of ambient right wing hate, or perhaps he was assassinated in Dallas due to its proximity to the home of Communist and Soviet Defector Lee Harvey Oswald, who shot the President in the head. Will we ever know the true answer to this question?

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 21, 2013 05:00 PM (lh89W)

73 Daily reminder: Democrats are dishonest scum.

Posted by: WOW at November 21, 2013 05:00 PM (6j8ke)

74 63 Fun fact worth noting: Texas broke for Kennedy. Stolen by vote stuffing by LBJ in, really, Kenedy Co, TX. http://tinyurl.com/k3gapl5

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 05:00 PM (0FSuD)

75 Dark    rightwing     Chappaquiddick    chatter    killed  me.

Posted by: Mary Jo Kopechne at November 21, 2013 05:00 PM (q4QfH)

76 This is not Photoshopped, in case you were wondering. It's an actual sign at a university in Illinois. "Land of Lincoln". Lincoln the Democrat. - Did they also mention that he was queer?

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 21, 2013 05:00 PM (PjgvN)

77 The red diaper babies could never admit that an avowed communist and stooge of the USSR, who might have been a pawn working with their hero Castro to, offed a president which had done so much to piss off the commie leadership. The libs back then wanted to fuck JFK as much as they do Obama now. They don't want to have to live up to the fact that one of their girlfriends did in their boyfriend. JFK was no saint, but a million times better than LBJ. History would have been much better off if LBJ had been prevented from ever holding office and ramming the 'Great Society' and a micromanaged Vietnam quagmire down our throats.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at November 21, 2013 05:00 PM (KCvsd)

78 Megan Kelly on fire

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 05:01 PM (zOTsN)

79 Danger Will Robinson. I detect a load of cocaine and animal tranquilizer in this pile of crap.

Posted by: Sewerbot at November 21, 2013 08:57 PM (6ahup)


Wouldn't that just end up giving you a stomach ache and no net upper/downer effect?

Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at November 21, 2013 05:01 PM (aozUR)

80 Fun fact worth noting: Texas broke for Kennedy. Posted by: Dave S. Especially Dallas

Posted by: Mr. Wizard at November 21, 2013 05:01 PM (MhA4j)

81 Italian Carcano bolt action rifles were not typically used by right-wing murder squads.

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 05:01 PM (doBIb)

82 Damn . I was born in '64 , a year of hate if ever there was one .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 21, 2013 05:01 PM (XWw96)

83 I'll bet if you check the historical record that Dallas added fluoride to the drinking water in 1960.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 21, 2013 05:01 PM (N/Sup)

84 Ok Peaches, going out on a limb here. Pics, or it did not happen!

Posted by: tbodie at November 21, 2013 05:01 PM (MBZW0)

85 But I thought it was all Bush's fault!

Posted by: USA at November 21, 2013 05:01 PM (VIaw0)

86 Which group was it again that was masturbating to a play entitled The @ssination of a Pres?

Was that the TEA party?

Oh, right. It was the Left.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 21, 2013 05:02 PM (KVY+w)

87 Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marxist and not a product of right-wing Dallas. But because the anti-Kennedy tenor came not so much from radical outcasts but from parts of mainstream Dallas, some say the anger seemed to come with the cityÂ’s informal blessing. So the NYT is saying that Democrats are easily brainwashed? Got it.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 21, 2013 05:02 PM (BXLPR)

88 Texas wasn't a red state then

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 05:02 PM (zOTsN)

89 Nothing like ignoring the obvious: Oswald was a loser. Oswald was a commie. Oswald hated Kennedy b/c he was an American President and the Bay of Pigs. Oswald wanted to immigrate to Cuba. Commie loser Oswald though killing Kennedy would be a feather in his commie cap and the Cubans would love him.

Posted by: Volcano Lover at November 21, 2013 05:02 PM (kkbgQ)

90

Peaches, it's an underwire, right?

 

I was wearing an old underwire one a couple of months ago and I turned and the wire popped through and stabbed me in the boob. Painful.

Posted by: Donna V. at November 21, 2013 05:02 PM (R3gO3)

91 "JFK was no saint, but a million times better than LBJ. History would have been much better off if LBJ had been prevented from ever holding office"
_________________________________

Think about this: a Communist assassinates the President, and the Country moves hard to the left in response.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 21, 2013 05:02 PM (lh89W)

92 79 Megan Kelly on fire



While looking fabulous.  That guy on MSDNC?  Madcow?  Weeps.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 05:03 PM (lVPtV)

93 "Common Core will set the record straight."

Lady in Black posted in one of the previous threads a link to an actual school text under Common Core. An utterly self-parodic hagiography of Obama which should be kept close at hand to induce vomiting in case of accidental ingestion of poison.

For those who missed it:

http://tinyurl.com/nwwkmob

I followed the further link and read the first chapter about young Barry's life.

"For Barry, Indonesia was a grand adventure. In the back yard, he found a pond with real baby crocodiles. He had a pet ape named Tata. He spent his days catching crickets and flying kites."

I figure this needs some copy-editing.

"For Barry, Indonesia was a grand adventure. In the back yard, he found a pond with real baby crocodiles. Unfortunately for the rest of us, he never found a grown one. He had a pet ape named Tata. He would later go on to marry another ape named Mooch. He spent his days catching crickets and flying kites, and eating dogs."

Posted by: torquewrench at November 21, 2013 05:03 PM (gqT4g)

94
The Texas of 2013 is what killed Kennedy in 1963.

Its what they are really trying to say.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2013 05:03 PM (iGPSR)

95 Convenience Store Clerk in Dallas Killed By Atmosphere of Hate and Two Armed Robbers

Posted by: NY Times at November 21, 2013 05:03 PM (aTXUx)

96 Pics, or it did not happen! Lurked long time or learns quick .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 21, 2013 05:04 PM (XWw96)

97 Psssst! The New York Times is - "All the spews and shit in print."

Posted by: Motto un at November 21, 2013 05:04 PM (5Q1ZU)

98 I had relatives in New Orleans at the time. They all hated Kennedy.

Posted by: Volcano Lover at November 21, 2013 05:04 PM (kkbgQ)

99 Fun fact. Oswald wanted to shoot Richard Nixon a year earlier. He tried to get out of his apartment, and his wife kept him locked in, until Nixon was out of town. Oswald was crazy, insane, demented. The fact he was a communist - symp was just icing on the cake. Again and again, since 1963, the asswipes in the Media have made something of this that it wasn't. This was the lifetime avocation of Kennedy bootlicker Ted Sorenson, whose purpose in life ever after the death of his liege lord, John Kennedy, was to burnish his name and his paltry achievements as President, forever. The whole concept of "Camelot" was dreamed up by Jackie and the crew AFTER Johnny was dead, as a means of keeping his popularity alive. Frankly, for the Right, the assasination of JFK was about the worst possible outcome. It elevated LBJ to the Presidency, and brought about all the signature legislation of the Great Society, and allowed the expansion of the war in Viet Nam.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at November 21, 2013 05:04 PM (v6hyJ)

100 So the NYT is saying that Democrats are easily brainwashed? Got it. Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper What they're saying is Oswald said to himself; "Well if they want me to, I will."

Posted by: Mr. Wizard at November 21, 2013 05:04 PM (MhA4j)

101 60 I gotta get this fuckin' bra offa me. Not sure why I shared that, but I know it's important to the group to know. brb Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 08:57 PM (8lmkt) Pix or it didn't happen. But we will take video if that is all you have.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 21, 2013 05:04 PM (BXLPR)

102 I have removed my jockstrap in solidarity

Posted by: DAve at November 21, 2013 05:05 PM (b7yum)

103 Quiet morons , the 'ettes are gonna start some bra talk .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 21, 2013 05:05 PM (XWw96)

104 Like the commies they are, they are rewriting history.

Posted by: Volcano Lover at November 21, 2013 05:05 PM (kkbgQ)

105 JFK was assassinated by a Communist who hated America. The Left hates that more than the assassination itself. The rest is details.

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2013 05:05 PM (AO9UG)

106
I was wearing an old underwire one a couple of months ago and I turned and the wire popped through and stabbed me in the boob. Painful.



I had that happen while working in the yard a couple of years ago.  Ouch.  Quite painful.  Also, never, ever go through airport security wearing a metal underwire bra.  You'll get the hands all over your boobs treatment.  A friend of mind actually had a TSA goonette slide her hands under my friend's sweater and bra and literally feel her bare boobs.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 05:06 PM (lVPtV)

107 Let not forget all that hate led to Nixon's war in Vietnam too. Thankfully heroic patriots like John Kerry were there to both fight it and shame us into surrender too.

Posted by: Lefty McFucknut at November 21, 2013 05:06 PM (dvRYt)

108 Peaches, it's an underwire, right?

I was wearing an old underwire one a couple of months ago and I turned and the wire popped through and stabbed me in the boob. Painful.

Yes, padded push-up underwire.  I have heard 'ettes recount the stabby thing, but it has never happened to me.  All I can say is, Calvin Klein.  It's not cheap, but it's exceedingly well-made.  Of course, I don't actually put a lot of stress on my bras, mostly wear them for extra boobage in my clothes.  Never even owned one until I was in my 50s and sensed an impending lessening of the perky factor.

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:06 PM (8lmkt)

109 103 Oh that's better i had it on backwards.

Posted by: DAve at November 21, 2013 05:06 PM (b7yum)

110 @106 WINNER!

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 05:06 PM (0FSuD)

111 35 So Sarah Palin would have been what...six months old when Kennedy was assassinated. How did she pull that off? Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 21, 2013 08:52 PM

Sarah Palin was born 2/11/64, less than three months after JFK was killed

That's why you have to kill them in the womb, comrades!

Posted by: NY Times at November 21, 2013 05:07 PM (aTXUx)

112 * Points at the bleachers *

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 21, 2013 05:07 PM (XWw96)

113 An atmosphere of right wing hate killed Buddy Holly and Richie Valens. That and a heavy build up of ice on the wings of their airplane.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 21, 2013 05:07 PM (N/Sup)

114 ohh just Fuck the NY Times already, and who gives a rats ass WHO killed Kennedy!! The real tragedy is that the fat drunk Kennedy got to screw things up wayyyy too long.

Posted by: Knightbrigade at November 21, 2013 05:07 PM (ave7W)

115 It was Palin I tell ya. Sarah Palin killed Kennedy. She did it with her website; the same way she tried to murder Gabby, our flower in the sun. Oh. She did it I tell ya. Editors Note: Sarah Palin, born Sarah Heath on February 11, 1964.

Posted by: Paul Krugman (Nobel Laureate in Blood Libel) at November 21, 2013 05:07 PM (O7OxF)

116 Buffalo will never live down the McKinley Assassination. H8trs.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at November 21, 2013 05:07 PM (6ahup)

117 Dallas shot me too!

Posted by: JR Ewing at November 21, 2013 05:08 PM (dfYL9)

118 30 years ago at one of the Second Chance national shooting competitions they set up a stage that exactly replicated the Book Depository, moving vehicle, distances, angles, weapon & ammo, etc.

Not one of some of the best shooters in the world could replicate the shot pattern, even with multiple runs, including military instructors. They could get hits, but not all the hits, and couldn't replicate the weird trajectories the projectiles took.

LBJ anyone?

Posted by: Adolph Obama at November 21, 2013 05:08 PM (vHRtU)

119 Meghan Kelly is bringin it tonite.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2013 05:08 PM (IrLKP)

120 "This was the lifetime avocation of Kennedy bootlicker Ted Sorenson, whose purpose in life ever after the death of his liege lord, John Kennedy, was to burnish his name and his paltry achievements as President, forever."

Sorensen also did a bunch of the actual writing for which Kennedy took credit.

Including _Profiles in Courage_, which won a Pulitzer, which Kennedy graciously accepted on his own behalf without mentioning that his family had employed a ghostwriter on his behalf. That's pretty fucking telling regarding Kennedy character.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 21, 2013 05:08 PM (gqT4g)

121 Ursala Andress had a bra that shot bullets and could kill a man. I'm not sure where the trigger was, though...

Posted by: Volcano Lover at November 21, 2013 05:08 PM (kkbgQ)

122 That and a heavy build up of ice on the wings of their airplane. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 21, 2013 09:07 PM (N/Sup) ~ I blame gravity.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at November 21, 2013 05:08 PM (6ahup)

123 Think about this: a Communist assassinates the President, and the Country moves hard to the left in response. Posted by: Alec Leamas Think about this; seven years after an Islamic terror attack kills nearly 3,000 Americans and others, and brings down two 110 story skyscrapers, the people of the United States elect a President named Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at November 21, 2013 05:08 PM (v6hyJ)

124 Been around a long time. Whiskey post a couple weeks ago got me to try commenting. Mostly I enter a thread after Willow leaves.

Posted by: tbodie at November 21, 2013 05:09 PM (MBZW0)

125 Watching "JFK: Breaking the News" on PBS right now. It's like the NYT piece on video. All about the horrible "right-wing bigots and racists" teeming around Dallas and how it caused them to fear for JFK's safety.

Posted by: Dirt McGirt at November 21, 2013 05:09 PM (tUg3e)

126 Intrepid investigative reporters discover that Elvis Presley was the victim of a right-wing conspiracy.  We think they also got Sid Vicious, stay tuned.

Posted by: NY Times at November 21, 2013 05:09 PM (8lmkt)

127 In the Fall of 1960, some buddies and I were halted at a turn-bridge on the inland waterway. What approached was a 'convoy' of LCVP's, headed south. One of the guys shouted down to one of the sailors as they were passing by, "Where are you going?" The guy shouted back, "Cuba" We laughed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 05:09 PM (aDwsi)

128
Racist sexist homophobic cis-gendered Texas  -- that actually went for Kennedy in the 1960 election.

But whatever.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2013 05:10 PM (kdS6q)

129 Anyone ever listen to the creepy tapes of LBJ talking to Jackie?  A Chicago radio station played them when we lived there years ago.  Eeeek.

LBJ sounded like he wanted to more than "console" Jackie, and she didn't exactly chill him out.  Her breathless "little girl" voice grated.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 05:10 PM (lVPtV)

130 All the anti-entitlement rhetoric by white conservatives is what drove J'Mapelle Turner to kill Caprisun Jones in Chicago's South Side ofer a pair of sneakers.

Posted by: New York Times at November 21, 2013 05:10 PM (fETNt)

131 Unpeople.   Jesusland.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 21, 2013 05:10 PM (Gk3SS)

132 Um, have you seen a picture of young Marina Oswald? Way out of his league. She was a prepayment against future services by his paymasters.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 21, 2013 05:10 PM (lh89W)

133 If anyone needed concrete evidence that the left collectively shares a psyche that hasn't made it past the three year old level, this, along with blaming Obamacare's failure on the GOP, proves it. Supposed intellectuals are so far down the rabbit hole that they can't even acknowledge when they are at fault. Is it possible for an entire segment of the population to have a psychotic break? Why yes, I posit that it is.

Posted by: grognard at November 21, 2013 05:10 PM (bTnE9)

134 What is the derivation of "woobie"? I first heard it in the movie Mr. Mom.

Posted by: The professor and the madman at November 21, 2013 05:10 PM (R6JT1)

135 Dumbfuck Kennedy was killed by the Secret Service, - who allowed him to joyride around in an open air sniper-mobile.

Posted by: Fritz at November 21, 2013 05:10 PM (TKFmG)

136 JFK, Marilyn, Elvis, Sid, Curt... all went to live on Aristotle Onassis' private island. He got Jackie for part payment.

Posted by: Adolph Obama at November 21, 2013 05:11 PM (vHRtU)

137 Guys,

Check Sharyl Attkisson's twitter feed from the last hour. 

Posted by: Dave S. at November 21, 2013 05:11 PM (UvR6d)

138 Buffalo will never live down the McKinley Assassination. H8trs.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at November 21, 2013 09:07 PM (6ahup)


Nobody even thinks about Buffalo, unless they are unlucky enough to actually be there.  Then they're mostly thinking how to get somewhere else.  No offense, but this is true.

Posted by: NY Times at November 21, 2013 05:11 PM (8lmkt)

139
Wasn't this like 50 years ago?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk - Half info voter at November 21, 2013 05:11 PM (iGPSR)

140 A woobie is a very warm soft security blanket,

Posted by: Adolph Obama at November 21, 2013 05:11 PM (vHRtU)

141 126 Watching "JFK: Breaking the News" on PBS right now. It's like the NYT piece on video. All about the horrible "right-wing bigots and racists" teeming around Dallas and how it caused them to fear for JFK's safety.


And our tax dollars help to pay for that shit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 05:11 PM (lVPtV)

142 @118 had me choking with laughter.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 21, 2013 05:11 PM (RZ8pf)

143 On Megan Kelly, Sekulow says he thinks the filibuster is gone for SCOTUS and legislation too It's on

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 05:11 PM (zOTsN)

144 ah, shit, an old gray sock

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:12 PM (8lmkt)

145 130 Anyone ever listen to the creepy tapes of LBJ talking to Jackie? A Chicago radio station played them when we lived there years ago. Eeeek. LBJ sounded like he wanted to more than "console" Jackie, and she didn't exactly chill him out. Her breathless "little girl" voice grated. Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 09:10 PM (lVPtV) Yeah. But he ate it up. I'm sure that is how a lot of woman like her related to men and they ate it up.

Posted by: Volcano Lover at November 21, 2013 05:12 PM (kkbgQ)

146 Global climate change killed Buddy Holly!

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 05:12 PM (aDwsi)

147 I note they don't say a right-wing climate of hatred was sweeping over LA when RFK got shot, even though Reagan was govenor then. I also note they do not mention that RFK was killed by a Arab, a Pali who was pissed at RFK for supporting the Israelis in the 6 Day War - it doesn't suit their purposes to point that out, so they ignore it. That's because Cali has gone from red to solid blue and LA is as deep blue as can be. Texas is conservative NOW and so the tarring and feathering and shaming must continue.

Posted by: Donna V. at November 21, 2013 05:12 PM (R3gO3)

148 I blame gravity.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at November 21, 2013 09:08 PM (6ahup)


that's what gets your boobs, too, it's fuckin' insidious.

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:12 PM (8lmkt)

149 Nobody even thinks about Buffalo, unless they are unlucky enough to actually be there. Then they're mostly thinking how to get somewhere else. No offense, but this is true. More horse shit. What town has a restaurant chain named after it? Buffalo Wild Wings.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 05:13 PM (0FSuD)

150 Y'no, maybe JFK wasn't really shot, LBJ and the Great Socialism never happened, and the whole period between Nov 1963 and now was just a dream!

Posted by: Bobby Ewing at November 21, 2013 05:13 PM (dfYL9)

151 No  'dark  rightwing  chatter'  in    my    book  'Case   Closed'.    Sorry  NYT.  Speculate    all   you    want    fifty  years   later.

Posted by: Gerald Posner at November 21, 2013 05:13 PM (q4QfH)

152 This from the Left that masturbated 2001-2008 on assassination porn.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2013 05:13 PM (MMC8r)

153 Tony Romos performance blamed on Dallas culture of hate

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 05:14 PM (zOTsN)

154 Please tell me someone is actually named caprisun. That would be classic

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 21, 2013 05:14 PM (RZ8pf)

155 122 Ursala Andress had a bra that shot bullets and could kill a man. I'm not sure where the trigger was, though... Posted by: Volcano Lover at November 21, 2013 09:08 PM (kkbgQ) Machine gun jubblies baby!!!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkqLbW6S_H4

Posted by: Austin Powers, International Man of Mystery at November 21, 2013 05:14 PM (BXLPR)

156 The NYT ought to worry about the feral bastards roaming the streets playing "Knockout Crackas and Joos."

If Obama had a son, he'd be playing that game.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 05:14 PM (lVPtV)

157 What to blame? Texas BIG HAIR. It's a killer.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 05:14 PM (0FSuD)

158 148 I note they don't say a right-wing climate of hatred was sweeping over LA when RFK got shot, even though Reagan was govenor then. I also note they do not mention that RFK was killed by a Arab, a Pali who was pissed at RFK for supporting the Israelis in the 6 Day War - it doesn't suit their purposes to point that out, so they ignore it. That's because Cali has gone from red to solid blue and LA is as deep blue as can be. Texas is conservative NOW and so the tarring and feathering and shaming must continue. Posted by: Donna V. at November 21, 2013 09:12 PM (R3gO3) Sirhan barely gets a mention...

Posted by: Volcano Lover at November 21, 2013 05:14 PM (kkbgQ)

159 I note they don't say a right-wing climate of hatred was sweeping over LA

because that could never happen.  we will have a zombie apocalypse before that would ever happen.  here, they can't figure out why *everyone* hasn't seen the light and embraced the progressive mentality.  srsly, if I ever go postal, I am in the right place, no innocents will be harmed.

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:15 PM (8lmkt)

160 WE knew all this was going to be brought up this month, both because he was JFK & American Royalty! HIs father was an ambassador & didnÂ’t believe Hitler was much of a threat. I read a short article at The Weekly Standard this week summarizing his life & meager presidency. IÂ’ll try to find it.

Posted by: CarolT at November 21, 2013 05:15 PM (z4WKX)

161 If "chatter" and "environment" could kill, then most of the people libs hate would be dead. So there goes that theory.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 21, 2013 05:15 PM (4/o9U)

162

155 The mayor of Fontana ca. is named Aquanetta

Vagisilia was already taken I guess

Posted by: DAve at November 21, 2013 05:15 PM (b7yum)

163 Whoever it was, they got J.R. too.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 05:16 PM (aDwsi)

164 Selena Gomez' grating auto tune voice blamed on Dallas culture of hate

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 05:16 PM (zOTsN)

165
Hey NYT, it was your Communist Comrade Oswald that did it, which really means you, the NYT, did it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk - Half info voter at November 21, 2013 05:16 PM (iGPSR)

166 Did right wing hate kill Lincoln too?

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 21, 2013 08:48 PM (RZ8pf)






Northeastern Illinois University: Well he was a Democrat.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 21, 2013 05:16 PM (JivuR)

167 139 Nobody even thinks about Buffalo Posted by: NY Times at November 21, 2013 09:11 PM (8lmkt) ---------------------- We do!

Posted by: Canadians needing hip replacements at November 21, 2013 05:16 PM (dfYL9)

168 HIs father was an ambassador & didnÂ’t believe Hitler was much of a threat.

and a bootlegger . . . that's where the money came from.  plus, a giant perv.

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:16 PM (8lmkt)

169 If not for Oswald, JFK might be remembered now only as a mediocre, one-term president.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2013 05:16 PM (MMC8r)

170 JFK was an affable, charismatic proponent of supply-side economics who was shot to death by a Communist. End of story.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at November 21, 2013 05:17 PM (93zXY)

171 if I ever go postal, I am in the right place, no innocents will be harmed. Posted by: Peaches ----------------------------------- Lightened up my evening.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 05:17 PM (aDwsi)

172 Walter Duranty lives on at the NYT.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2013 05:17 PM (MMC8r)

173 Right wing paranoid extremists also killed Julius Caesar. Hey, that Brutus guy used to stay glued to Fox News. And Sarah Palin's website.

Posted by: Paul Krugman (Nobel Laureate in Blood Libel) at November 21, 2013 05:18 PM (O7OxF)

174 Dark rightwing chatter was the tipping point for psycho commie Oswald acting in revenge for the aborted Bay of Pigs to save the honor of Fidel, Che, and all murderous commie scum dating back to Marx; and then Ruby (the evil jew) kills Oswald in the name of Mao? That's the theory??? NYT is far more evil than I ever imagined.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at November 21, 2013 05:18 PM (hpgw1)

175 Guys,

Check Sharyl Attkisson's twitter feed from the last hour.
Posted by: Dave S. at November 21, 2013 09:11 PM (UvR6d)


That lying motherfucker (Chao not Attkisson).


Also *tweet throws flag*

That's a 15 yard penalty and loss of down for violation of the AOSHQ Style Manual by spelling both Sharyl and Attkisson correctly.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 21, 2013 05:18 PM (Gk3SS)

176 who the fuck is Walter Duranty?

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:18 PM (8lmkt)

177 I lurked too, for a long time. Because of how Ace and the gang have been covering everything since Ace's vacation, I am now checking this site all the time. Keep up the great work guys!

Posted by: Newbie2 at November 21, 2013 05:18 PM (5Q1ZU)

178 171 JFK was an affable, charismatic proponent of supply-side economics who was shot to death by a Communist.


Don't forget poon hound.  That young intern he liquored up and raped? 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 05:19 PM (lVPtV)

179 Okay newbie. This is your shot at the bugs. Your comments should have at least one of these three characteristics: 1. Funneh. 2. Pithy and insightful political commentary 3. Random head-scratching incoherent gibberish. Stay within these guidelines and you will do well. Oh, and don't forget to bring the moronettes cookies and/or tea.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 21, 2013 05:19 PM (N/Sup)

180 How different our world would be if Lee Harvey Oswald had only had affordable healthcare and high speed rail . . . I weep.

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:19 PM (8lmkt)

181 Womb + boobie = woobie? This theory requires a grant to properly delve a fist of impotent rage into the patriarchy.

Posted by: The professor and the madman at November 21, 2013 05:19 PM (R6JT1)

182 Bugs = bigs.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 21, 2013 05:19 PM (N/Sup)

183 and a bootlegger . . .  plus, a giant perv.
_________________________

Lets not be throwing stones here, OK?

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 21, 2013 05:20 PM (lh89W)

184 The right wing is all powerful, we control left and right.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 05:20 PM (9jfyN)

185

yeah the NYT is reaching. However I don't think the general idea that concentrated far-right or far-left rhetoric in a certain area can foster a polarized, unstable environment in general. See Communist/Nazi street fights in Weimar Germany.

also the idea that certain Tea Party anti-government rhetoric is conspiratorial in a way that mirrors "Kennedy, Communist-controlled destroyer of America" rhetoric isn't really disputable.  Not that it has to mean anything, parties tend to engage in more over-the-top rhetoric when they're out of power. 

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 05:20 PM (TP6sz)

186 You know Oswald ran across the river to an Oak Cliff. They sold beer there.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 05:20 PM (0FSuD)

187 I have great memory about some things. I can even remember when dissent was the highest form of patriotism. Something was different then, not sure what exactly.

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 05:20 PM (1Y+hH)

188 Walter Duranty (1884-1957) was a correspondent for the New York Times who violated the public trust by sending pro-Soviet stories home, pretending that all was well even as Russia starved 6 million Ukrainians to death. Bewilderingly, he was a awarded a Pulitzer Prize for telling these lies.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 05:20 PM (aDwsi)

189 159 Sirhan barely gets a mention... Posted by: Volcano Lover at November 21, 2013 09:14 PM (kkbgQ) ----------------------- I know. It's a crying shame too. That's why I dedicated my book Prairie Fire to him.

Posted by: Bill "Just a Guy in the Neighborhood" Ayers at November 21, 2013 05:20 PM (dfYL9)

190

You'd think the Left would be happy Kennedy got knocked off when he was.  Had he lived longer he would have physically deteriorated and died a human wreck.  It was against the odds that he lived as long as he did, given how sickly he was.  The exterior would have become a mirror of a corrupt interior, and the Camelot mystique would have been dispelled.

 

 

The Right didn't need to kill him - Fate, and his own depravity, were doing it for us. 

Posted by: Reactionary at November 21, 2013 05:20 PM (jfeoD)

191 FUCK YOU,  NEW YORK!!!

Posted by: John Lennon at November 21, 2013 05:20 PM (YWXTN)

192 http://tinyurl.com/l9jpshd The Weekly Standard article I read this week is above. Epstein is not a fan of JFK.

Posted by: CarolT at November 21, 2013 05:20 PM (z4WKX)

193 Hoo boy.  Megyn getting ready to go after Martin Bashir.  And I'm out of popcorn!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 05:21 PM (lVPtV)

194 180 Seamus Muldoon,


how ya doin?

Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 05:21 PM (9jfyN)

195 177 who the fuck is Walter Duranty? Peaches, He was a running dog lackey, jackboot licking, limp wristed whore of a Stalin apologist. I hope that answers the question to your satisfaction.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at November 21, 2013 05:21 PM (hpgw1)

196 Who is this blue dot ass that keeps coming in a typing unintelligible yet inflammatory comments? Did moo rename himself overnight?

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 21, 2013 05:21 PM (RZ8pf)

197 Okay newbie. This is your shot at the bugs. Your comments should have at least one of these three characteristics:

1. Funneh.

2. Pithy and insightful political commentary

3. Random head-scratching incoherent gibberish.


Stay within these guidelines and you will do well.


Oh, and don't forget to bring the moronettes cookies and/or tea.

Good grief, Seamus, cut the guy a little slack.  First, I would spit on cookies and/or tea.  Second, if he posts some boobeh pics, he's golden.  It's really churlish of you to try and steer a delurker wrong.  Plus, are those pants you are wearing?  Barrel!

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:21 PM (8lmkt)

198 Bewilderingly, he was a awarded a Pulitzer Prize for telling these lies. Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 09:20 PM (aDwsi) AND, his award is STILL in the lobby of the Slime.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 05:22 PM (0FSuD)

199 Anyone recall what movie was showing at the theater where Oswald hid for a bit?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 05:22 PM (aDwsi)

200 191 Reactionary,

President Dorian Grey...


Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 05:22 PM (9jfyN)

201 "Overly romanticized sexual predator killed by his mafia threesome buddy" What's the big effing deal?

Posted by: trump at November 21, 2013 05:22 PM (FbbJc)

202 That young intern he liquored up and raped?
______________________________

Eh, I don't think that was rape in the early 60s. I'm not saying it was morally right, just that the definition of rape has been somewhat liberalized since then.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 21, 2013 05:22 PM (lh89W)

203 Bewilderingly, he was a awarded a Pulitzer Prize for telling these lies. Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 09:20 PM (aDwsi

Holy crap, Hammer.  If he wasn't already dead, I'd be tempted to bust fluffy's cherry and kill that asshole myself.

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:23 PM (8lmkt)

204
Sirhan barely gets a mention...
Posted by: Volcano Lover



The one assassin of the era that's still around, so they could -- you know -- still interview him and stuff.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2013 05:23 PM (kdS6q)

205 Nip - Well..., sure.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 05:23 PM (aDwsi)

206 So Los Angeles killed Robert F. Kennedy.


Posted by: Dang at November 21, 2013 05:23 PM (YWXTN)

207 193 is Joseph Epstein a Goldwater fan? Just wondering cuz of the "hesitant about civil rights" thing. I don't know if that's a real valid criticism anyway since the act LBJ pushed through was proposed by Kennedy. He started out hesistant and became less so...so?

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 05:23 PM (TP6sz)

208

"The whole concept of "Camelot" was dreamed up by Jackie and the crew AFTER Johnny was dead, as a means of keeping his popularity alive."

 

You know, I can understand why, for my older siblings, Kennedy's assassination remains such a powerful memory. But I can not stand that stupid Camelot shit. I read Morte d'Arthur in school and King Arthur wasn't banging every chick in sight.

Posted by: Donna V. at November 21, 2013 05:23 PM (R3gO3)

209 JFK's whore core, er, steno pool included two smokin hot blonds he called 'Fiddle' and 'Faddle' - who he fucked everywhere including the WH pool. He liked to be on the bottom because it symbolized their position was to serve him.

Posted by: Adolph Obama at November 21, 2013 05:23 PM (vHRtU)

210 Hoo boy. Megyn getting ready to go after Martin Bashir. And I'm out of popcorn!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 09:21 PM (lVPtV)


Here is what I picture that as being like:


http://youtu.be/n-wUdetAAlY

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 21, 2013 05:24 PM (Gk3SS)

211 It's All Bullshit. In college I was taught to write essays thusly: First make a thesis statement, then support your position with evidence. It didn't matter if I was claiming the sky was green, as long I supported it, cogently, with other sources. This, you see, taught me to 'think critically' and argue effectively. This NYT jerkoff is just taking a position that satisfies his fancy, and then 'supporting' with 'evidence' as an undergrad would for his left wing English professor.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 05:24 PM (RLCmM)

212 Eh, I don't think that was rape in the early 60s. I'm not saying it was morally right, just that the definition of rape has been somewhat liberalized since then. Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 21, 2013 09:22 PM (lh89W) Not liberalized enough.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at November 21, 2013 05:24 PM (fETNt)

213 197 I dunno what's so unintelligible about what I said unless you can't read

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 05:24 PM (TP6sz)

214 The VRWC knocked off Jimi Hendrix for his openly gay line "'Scuse me while I kiss this guy" in Purple Haze.

Posted by: Neal Marx, American Newsman at November 21, 2013 05:24 PM (6ahup)

215 who the fuck is Walter Duranty?

Peaches,

He was a running dog lackey, jackboot licking, limp wristed whore of a Stalin apologist. I hope that answers the question to your satisfaction. Posted by: Angel with a sword

Also a pedophile.  The Soviets would bring girls to him.

Posted by: Dang at November 21, 2013 05:24 PM (YWXTN)

216 Global climate change killed Buddy Holly! Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 09:12 PM (aDwsi) *** That, and an atmosphere of left wing ice.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 21, 2013 05:25 PM (N/Sup)

217 197 ParanoidGirlInSeattle,

Blue Duck is a person who thinks the straitjacket of political correctness is just ducky.

Dallas killed JFK by not embracing retarded policies he was not even an advocate of...and racist.

//BlueDuck

Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 05:25 PM (9jfyN)

218 Yes. That's it. I can't read. You got me there.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 21, 2013 05:25 PM (RZ8pf)

219 Who is this blue dot ass that keeps coming in a typing unintelligible yet inflammatory comments? Did moo rename himself overnight? Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 21, 2013 09:21 PM (RZ8pf) Blue: well, you know... dot: brain size indicator.

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 05:25 PM (1Y+hH)

220 "That young intern he liquored up and raped?" Yeah, but it wasn't rape rape because Sandra Fluke would gladly be rape raped by JFK's corpse as long as the condoms were free.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at November 21, 2013 05:25 PM (hpgw1)

221 Failure to Read Coverages and Culture of Hate in Dallas Cause Romo to Throw Game Ending Interception

Posted by: NY Times Sports at November 21, 2013 05:26 PM (aTXUx)

222 Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 09:23 PM (TP6sz) Blue Dot, he isnÂ’t a JFK worshipper, and I donÂ’t think much of the Kennedy family either.

Posted by: CarolT at November 21, 2013 05:26 PM (z4WKX)

223 219 I said that while Oswald is not an example of this, radical rhetoric on one political side can create a polarized political environment in general. pretty basic

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 05:26 PM (TP6sz)

224 Eh, I don't think that was rape in the early 60s. I'm not saying it was morally right, just that the definition of rape has been somewhat liberalized since then. HORSE SHIT. She was 18 and a virgin. So how is that not rape. He took up to the residence and fucked her. He was the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. She calls it rape. Good enough for me.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 05:26 PM (0FSuD)

225 Okay..., no takers on what movie Oswald watched at the Texas Theater. Ans. - "War is Hell"

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 05:26 PM (aDwsi)

226 JFK was a sex addict and a pill popper who would be trotted through rehab like his modern relatives have

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 05:26 PM (zOTsN)

227 When leftists are angry about establishment policies that's justified and noble. Occupy being a great example. Thanks Ace for reading the NYT for me. I don't have to since you're willing to step up and do the dirty work.

Posted by: MTF at November 21, 2013 05:26 PM (nstXh)

228 Not one of some of the best shooters in the world could replicate the shot pattern, even with multiple runs, including military instructors. They could get hits, but not all the hits, and couldn't replicate the weird trajectories the projectiles took. Well you got something ass backwards there bucko because one of the biggest dirt bags to ever pass through the Marine Corps did it. And he did it with an Italian rifle he got through a mail order catalog.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at November 21, 2013 05:27 PM (O7OxF)

229 I've noticed the latest trend is to describe every commie spy as an "antifascist" I guess they think it sounds more palatable then someone who worshiped that mass murderer Stalin.

Posted by: Volcano Lover at November 21, 2013 05:27 PM (kkbgQ)

230 I downloaded the book Double Down a few weeks ago on my iPad. I just started reading a few pages. SCOAMF and his iPad go to hard right blogs! I wonder if heÂ’s been here as a sock? I just read that I thought I would share it. I posted this at the bottom of the last thread. SCOAMF may be a sock here!

Posted by: CarolT at November 21, 2013 05:27 PM (z4WKX)

231 223 that's fine I just think the civil rights knock on Kennedy is pretty weak

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 05:27 PM (TP6sz)

232 Nip slip What happened at lunch?

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 05:27 PM (zOTsN)

233 Epstein is not a fan of JFK. What about the other Sweathogs?

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2013 05:28 PM (MMC8r)

234 Ha cha-cha-cha!

Posted by: The other Walter Duranty at November 21, 2013 05:28 PM (aGqSh)

235 The Soviets would bring girls to him. ----------------- Ah. Snowden's gambit is starting to make sense.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 05:28 PM (aDwsi)

236 HORSE SHIT.

She was 18 and a virgin. So how is that not rape. He took up to the residence and fucked her.
He was the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

She calls it rape. Good enough for me.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 09:26 PM (0FSuD)


Anybody got a link to this, because I'm kind of astonished that this thread is the first I've heard of it.  And, yeah, rape was actually seen very differently back then.  If someone of another race didn't jump out of the bushes and grab ya, it was not really considered "rape."  I was there, I know this.

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:28 PM (8lmkt)

237 i hope to live long enough to see Pinchy boy living in a cardboard box under a bridge

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 21, 2013 05:29 PM (Xlbr8)

238 Culture of Hate in Dallas the Root Cause of Bobby Kennedy's Assassination in Los Angeles

Posted by: NY Times Editorial at November 21, 2013 05:29 PM (aTXUx)

239 186 Blue Duck,

yeah Blue Duck..."both sides are guilty in America"

oddly I must have missed our 80% of news outlets and Charles Krauthammer offering to shit in Ogabe's gullet.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 05:29 PM (9jfyN)

240 Hey Sven. Can't complain. How are things with you?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 21, 2013 05:29 PM (N/Sup)

241 "Unfortunately [Kennedy] was shot under the most romantic of circumstances and not, as one would have hoped, after due process of law." - PJ O'Rourke

Posted by: Jeffersonian at November 21, 2013 05:30 PM (gxCRt)

242 Atlanta is not supposed to be doing this well against the Saints.

Posted by: logprof at November 21, 2013 05:30 PM (fETNt)

243 Being a newbie hope I get this right. *Pours Coors Light into USB for Peaches*

Posted by: tbodie at November 21, 2013 05:30 PM (8KGvR)

244 Ah, the nonfalsifiable hypothesis. Is there nothing you can't do?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 21, 2013 05:30 PM (xSegX)

245
I liked JFK when he hit on Barbara Trocadero in the movie Wild Side of Brooklyn. 

Posted by: Vinnie Barbarino at November 21, 2013 05:31 PM (pJF+c)

246
This NYT jerkoff is just taking a position that satisfies his fancy, and then 'supporting' with 'evidence' as an undergrad would for his left wing English professor.
Posted by: soothsayer




Manny Fernandez - Reporter

Graduated from California State University, Fresno in 1997 with a bachelor's degree in Journalism.

And it shows....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2013 05:31 PM (kdS6q)

247 Damn, just fried my computer.

Posted by: tbodie at November 21, 2013 05:31 PM (8KGvR)

248 Joe Kennedy Sr. may or may not have made a lot of money bootlegging, but he did make hundreds of millions selling short on the Stock Market after the 1929 crash. So when the country as a whole was in a tough economic time, Joe Kennedy and people like him made sure it was driven down even harder by selling stocks short and driving down the NYSE even more. What a prince. Then he bought a lot of real estate. Did you know the Kennedy's owned the Merchandise Mart in Chicago? I still think the family has part interest in it. If you want to read a really good book on Joe Kennedy, find "The Founding Father" by Richard Whalen. Whalen was a writer for the WSJ years ago, and wrote the book in the '60s. He was fair with Joe and the book is so well written it reads like a novel. But Joe was a real unpleasant man, in many, many ways. Like the time Lyndon Johnson had come to the Kennedy home for lunch (when he was Majority leader of the Senate), and was dining with Rose Kennedy, and Old Joe came bounding in with his young tennis partner, and they proceeded to go upstairs and have loud sex. That kind of ugliness.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at November 21, 2013 05:31 PM (v6hyJ)

249 Ah, the nonfalsifiable hypothesis. Is there nothing you can't do? ------------------ Too early to tell

Posted by: Bernhard Riemann at November 21, 2013 05:31 PM (aDwsi)

250 We need pics of kitties, boobies, and guns. Preferably all three in one.

Posted by: Adolph Obama at November 21, 2013 05:31 PM (vHRtU)

251 Ha cha-cha-cha! And lest we forget: "Everybody's got 'ta get inta di act!"

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 05:31 PM (1Y+hH)

252 The textbooks will show that Gov. Reagan was in office when the RFK hit was ordered. Coincidence?

Posted by: The professor and the madman at November 21, 2013 05:32 PM (R6JT1)

253 Eleanor Roosevelt said of JFK, "I wish he had less profile and more courage."

Posted by: logprof at November 21, 2013 05:32 PM (fETNt)

254 Blaming Dallas for JFK is like blaming Oldsmobile for Mary Jo Kopechne

Posted by: kbdabear at November 21, 2013 05:32 PM (aTXUx)

255 219 ParanoidGirlInSeattle,

who was the gay guy dating an Air Force dude in the Ont like 15 months back that acted like he had a 187 IQ?

This is his schtick.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 05:32 PM (9jfyN)

256 I was thinking today, as I often do when at work and not wanting to work, about the state of our world. When did we become so cynical and nasty? Has it always been so or did we live for a time in an unusual age of innocence, optimism, civility and common moral values? Or does nostalgia and the censored, cherry-picked nature of memories distort how we view the past? It does feel as though the world is a meaner, sadder, more selfish place. The stories one reads each day of social media bullying driving kids to suicide, of youths roaming around seeking for innocent people to hit in the face as hard as they can because they're bored and think it's fun, of the visceral hatred that divides our country along political lines, of the utter lowness of our social and public discourse. Where did it begin? Was it in the 60s with the 'cultural revolution'? That seems a likely starting point. The throwing off of traditional morality, the obsession with ourselves and our sensory pleasure- the 'me-first' mentality. The 'sexual revolution' leading to the moral barriers that encouraged and held together the family unit. The continual pushing of boundaries as to what's appropriate in media to the point where we're desensitized to almost everything. Nothing shocks us anymore. I saw a headline today saying the reason Lady Gaga's album flopped is because the shock value of her persona has worn off. If we're no longer shocked as a society by Lady Gaga, are we even capable of attaining the feeling? So much of what has, for most of human existence, been considered beautiful, noble and virtuous is now mocked and scorned as quaint relics of a simple-minded past. Nothing is sacred anymore. Nothing is universally valued, held to, or considered good. The definition of the adjective 'base' is morally low, without estimable personal qualities, dishonorable, meanspirited, selfish and cowardly. I think that's a very apt way of describing the state of our culture.

Posted by: AlessandroGuiliani at November 21, 2013 05:32 PM (jXpmF)

257 224 219 I said that while Oswald is not an example of this, radical rhetoric on one political side can create a polarized political environment in general. pretty basic Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 09:26 PM (TP6sz) ~ This is like a logical argument but not.

Posted by: Neal Marx, American Newsman at November 21, 2013 05:32 PM (6ahup)

258 Damn, just fried my computer. Posted by: tbodie ----------------------- Well, if it was in bacon grease..., knives and forks!

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 05:32 PM (aDwsi)

259 *Pours Coors Light into USB for Peaches*

Posted by: tbodie at November 21, 2013 09:30 PM (8KGvR)


Oh, bless your heart, tbodie!  However, I picked up an 18 pack on the way home and, since I am trying to dial it back a bit, I am totes good with buying a round for the house.  (got any weed?) 

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:32 PM (8lmkt)

260 Joe Kennedy = George Soros

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 05:33 PM (zOTsN)

261

240 it's not about "both sides being guilty" dude. The idea that certain radical rhetoric on one end can provoke the opposite reaction should be pretty uncontroversial I think

and I mean no one's actually defending the stuff cited about certain Dallas 1963 figures, I don't see what's wrong with discussing it, even though no it didn't "create" Oswald or anything like that, he was moving around anyway.

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 05:33 PM (TP6sz)

262 Of damn sock. I was poisoned by Red herring.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at November 21, 2013 05:33 PM (6ahup)

263 Atlanta is not supposed to be doing this well against the Saints. Posted by: logprof at November 21, 2013 09:30 PM (fETNt)


Every single game I watch now I watch through the filter of what will NFL QBs on Facebook say about it.


This makes the games far more hilarious.  

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 21, 2013 05:33 PM (Gk3SS)

264 142 And our tax dollars help to pay for that shit. The rest of it is fairy interesting, covering the way the press covered the shooting and how current technology affected it. But if this was the only piece anyone had ever seen on the assassination, they could _only_ conclude that he was shot by right-wing racists.

Posted by: Dirt McGirt at November 21, 2013 05:33 PM (tUg3e)

265

"This is like a logical argument but not."

yeah I can't think of any historical examples of unstable countries where the far right and far left are fighting each other

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 05:34 PM (TP6sz)

266 "The textbooks will show that Gov. Reagan was in office when the RFK hit was ordered. Coincidence?" Hmmm. Did all the jews in Dallas stay home from work that day?

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 05:34 PM (1Y+hH)

267 Eleanor Roosevelt said of JFK, "I wish he had less profile and more courage."

Posted by: logprof at November 21, 2013 09:32 PM (fETNt)


really?  that is very, very cool.  never heard that before.

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:34 PM (8lmkt)

268 241 Seamus Muldoon,

I am living, for now and entertained...sorta...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 05:34 PM (9jfyN)

269 The sulfur of counterrevolutionary hate in Tejas give me the cancer, no? Also the Joos.

Posted by: Zombie Hugo Chavez at November 21, 2013 05:34 PM (dfYL9)

270 Alessandro - That has been placed in my file of 'Comments worth saving'

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 05:35 PM (aDwsi)

271 @233 I gave a report earlier. Basically Rove said his PAC is going to get involved in the primaries. He said we have three senates in the bag, from the states Romney took by 10pt, NC we took by 2 says it is very important because if we win here it will fuck up LA, since their final vote will not be until Dec. Scott Brown is going to run in NH. MN is in play. They are going to spent $30 million. He was very clear that they were sick of pissing money away on losers and that is why they are getting into the primaries. Said we had AR won til dickhead fucked up. He is backing Tillis, NC Speaker of the House. Tillis has already been vetted by his donors earlier. Said they had 100 of there biggest money people in for a look see at candidates and have made their plans. Pretty interesting and scary.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 05:35 PM (0FSuD)

272

and a bootlegger . . . that's where the money came from. plus, a giant perv. Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 09:16 PM (8lmkt)

 

 I remember reading some story about how one of the Kennedy sisters brought a schoolfriend of hers home for a visit and this girl (who was about 16 then) was sleeping in a guest bedroom and old Joe came in and forced himself on her. OK, Truman Capote was the source of that story, and Truman was known to bullshit, but that sounds entirely plausible to me.

Posted by: Donna V. at November 21, 2013 05:35 PM (R3gO3)

273 Alessandro that was beautifully said. However, my old eyes needed some paragraph breaks

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 05:35 PM (zOTsN)

274 >>> Okay newbie. This is your shot at the bugs Hey! You said it was my turn next, you dirty wat!

Posted by: Elmer Fudd at November 21, 2013 05:35 PM (Ua6T/)

275

255 Blaming Dallas for JFK is like blaming Oldsmobile for Mary Jo Kopechne

__________________

 

SSSHHHHHH!   Don't give leftists any ideas. 

Posted by: Marybeth at November 21, 2013 05:35 PM (zFUKI)

276 The left, like all conspiracy theorists, never subscribes to Occam"s Razor. In their minds there is no way that JFK, the beacon of Camelot, could ever be cut down by a single man. No, it had to be the conservatives, Republicans, Communists, mafia, and KKK acting in cahoots. Never mind that almost every assasin has almost always acted alone, there is no way that a disgruntled commie like Oswald could ever pull off this, so he had to have several hundred accomplices. Also, forget that no one else has EVER admitted of even come forward to being an accomplice. Just think about that. Could you imagine what kind of medical treatment you would get if you confessed to the ambulance crew or ER staff that you shot Kennedy? You would be transferred to Johns Hopkins or the Mayo Clinic before the thermometer went in you butthole. Lincoln, McKinley, Reagan, Teddy Roosevelt were all attacked by single gunmen. Even George Wallace was shot by a lone gunman who was a Demoloon. But only JFK could not be killed by a single man because it took something so much larger to bring down Camelot!

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac on Conspiracy Theories at November 21, 2013 05:36 PM (BXLPR)

277 I'm 65 and I recall that blue dot was some heavy acid that was all the rage with the in crowd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOWO--z1S8A Castles made of sand slip into the sea eventually.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at November 21, 2013 05:36 PM (hpgw1)

278 Sarah Palin was a Belly Gunner?

Posted by: The Hickster at November 21, 2013 05:36 PM (DUGve)

279 Seamus & Peaches - Neither cookies nor tea. "So what! You want a piece of me?" Lurking's better than twerking. "No one wants a piece of Miley." One more thing - is it just me? "Is Mooch Aunt Esther reprised?"

Posted by: Newbie2 at November 21, 2013 05:36 PM (5Q1ZU)

280 No weed, I favor whiskey for my hard stuff.

Posted by: tbodie at November 21, 2013 05:36 PM (8KGvR)

281 Posted by: AlessandroGuiliani at November 21, 2013 09:32 PM (jXpmF) Television. Or as Ed MacMahon called it, "The Sorceror you leave your children with."

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 05:36 PM (1Y+hH)

282 268 Eleanor Roosevelt said of JFK, "I wish he had less profile and more courage." Posted by: logprof at November 21, 2013 09:32 PM (fETNt) really? that is very, very cool. never heard that before. Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 09:34 PM (8lmkt) --Nor I, until I read it in a column today.

Posted by: logprof at November 21, 2013 05:36 PM (fETNt)

283 "Scott Brown is going to run in NH"

Oh, for Pete's sake. Him again? They couldn't find anyone else?

The guy who lost to Fauxcohontas.

(facepalm)

Posted by: torquewrench at November 21, 2013 05:37 PM (gqT4g)

284 blue dot - I can not think of a country where ascendency of the Left has not resulted in tyranny. I think you mistake Conservatism for something that it is not.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 05:38 PM (aDwsi)

285 Maybe we could gather around a camp fire and sing songs? Some people are going to have to hump some supplies.

Posted by: 7 Days in May at November 21, 2013 05:38 PM (j6DTo)

286 yeah I can't think of any historical examples of unstable countries where the far right and far left are fighting each other Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 09:34 PM (TP6sz) And this has to do with Oswald shooting Kennedy because? Oh yeah, nothing. Said it yourself.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at November 21, 2013 05:38 PM (6ahup)

287 It's the Right's fault the NYT is so bold to do this, though. I've said many times: In politics, you snooze you lose. The Right should've been out there first and often saying how a Left Winger killed JFK.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 05:38 PM (RLCmM)

288 262 Blue Duck,

er "yeah"....in case you missed it Reid is empoering Ogabe's weaponizing the courts with Marxists this week....

spare me the seven cent Chris Matthews psychoanalysis.....

Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 05:38 PM (9jfyN)

289 261 Joe Kennedy = George Soros No Kennedy was a Catholic and Irish. All his kids served in WW2, his oldest died on a volunteer bombing mission. Jack was on a PT boat, a pretty dangerous mission. Soros? A Jew that hid his religion and worked for the Nazi's taking property from Jews in WW2. Please Big Joe was a dick, but he is not the detestable asshole Soros is.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 05:39 PM (0FSuD)

290 257 --- Preach it! Yes, the old classical word "base" really nails it.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 21, 2013 05:40 PM (dfYL9)

291 The idea that certain radical rhetoric on one end can provoke the opposite reaction
_____________________

So you'll blame the Tea Party for Rand Paul's assassination?

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 21, 2013 05:40 PM (lh89W)

292

285

we can make a distinction between conservatism/certain right-wing politics. There's obviously been certain historical examples of the far right taking power - Franco, Hitler, whoever the guy in Portugal was

 

but yeah it's different species of dictatorships

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 05:40 PM (TP6sz)

293 Youse guys are quacking me up. But I've got an Avalanche game on the tube, a heating pad on the pinched nerve in my neck, and a tumbler of Crown Royal on the side table, so I am outta here.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 21, 2013 05:40 PM (N/Sup)

294 --Nor I, until I read it in a column today. Posted by: logprof You can only believe about half of what you read on the Internet, these days.

Posted by: Benjamin Franklin at November 21, 2013 05:41 PM (v6hyJ)

295 "Scott Brown is going to run in NH"

Oh, for Pete's sake. Him again? They couldn't find anyone else?

The guy who lost to Fauxcohontas.

(facepalm)

Posted by: torquewrench at November 21, 2013 09:37 PM (gqT4g)


I second your facepalm and add a primal scream.  Can we please be done with Rove?  I want to do bad things to him, and not the fun kind of bad things. 

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:41 PM (8lmkt)

296 I was reading about Noel and Heda Field. Noel was fingered by Whittacker Chambers as a spy so he fled to Prague where he was disappeared by state police and sent to Hungry, interrogated, tortured and imprisoned. His wife claimed that the Americans kidnapped him. She contacted friends in Hungry. They went to the state police who told them to lure her over. She came and was arrested and received the same treatment as her idiot husband. Then husband's brother contacts friends in Warsaw asking them to help find his brother and sister in law. They go to the secret police who tell them to lure him over and he is arrested. Then years later, the adopted daughter asks friends in East Germany to help find her parents and she is arrested, sent to Moscow and sentenced to death. Eventually, they all were released but years later. Yet, they still fapped over communism and spit on America.

Posted by: Volcano Lover at November 21, 2013 05:42 PM (kkbgQ)

297 'Night, Seamus, and God bless.  Hope you feel better in the morning.

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:42 PM (8lmkt)

298 293 Blue Duck,

psst Hitler was a socialist genius, as was Franco...pass it on.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 05:42 PM (9jfyN)

299 Finally, the Jets are hanging with the Blackhawks.

Posted by: logprof at November 21, 2013 05:42 PM (fETNt)

300 I may just be spitballin' here, but I seem to recall that the vast majority of presidential assassins in this county - successful or unsuccessful - were either Democrats (or sympathizers), leftists or of an anarchist frame of mind.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 21, 2013 05:42 PM (HsTG8)

301 287 I don't see much wrong with analyzing historical parallels between political rhetoric 50 years ago and today, it can be interesting. If newspapers like the NYT want to strain for a connection that's not there that's one thing, but it shouldn't be an off-limits subject in general

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 05:42 PM (TP6sz)

302 Some say the guys get shirts.

Posted by: Some Say at November 21, 2013 05:42 PM (wmc4y)

303 The only thing that will keep me warm this winter is my hatred.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 21, 2013 05:43 PM (oFCZn)

304 @296 Well, Brown has a residence in NH and the numbers look pretty good up there. Seems like no one else is stepping up to the plate. Brown wins the South NH votes because name recognition and it's in the Boston TV market. Rest of the state is already Red. It looks like the best bet we have.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 05:43 PM (0FSuD)

305 299 I at least kind of get the "Hitler was a socialist" misconception because of the party name, even though the Nazis got rid of their vaguely socialist SA wing when they consolidated power, but Franco a socialist? lol

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 05:43 PM (TP6sz)

306
Ha.  CA just flipped the Bird at the Gaslighter in Chief.

No obamacare fix for you in CA.  Not that it was legal anyway.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk - Half info voter at November 21, 2013 05:44 PM (iGPSR)

307 Nip - Teddy most certainly did not serve. In an inane moment, he signed up, but Joe went up and snatched him out of the induction center, or whatever. Even back then, they knew Teddy was a fcuk-up.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 05:44 PM (aDwsi)

308 I shouted out,
Who killed the kennedys?
When after all
It was you and me

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at November 21, 2013 05:44 PM (jucos)

309 Communist bastards running amok, that's what we've earned with our soft politics. There is a cure. Mao was right, this bloodless war that we find ourselves in is foolish, no, maybe even absurd. There is going to have to be a time very soon, if we hope to survive it, where politics and blood co-mingle. Sing it Buddy ... http://tinyurl.com/n5b3bah

Posted by: and irresolute at November 21, 2013 05:44 PM (RqHWH)

310 I've reached the point where I just laugh out loud at the somesay formulation.

Posted by: toby928© at November 21, 2013 05:44 PM (QupBk)

311 "but yeah it's different species of dictatorships" Its dictatorships all the way down on the statist side of the bell curve. Q: What is the difference between fascism and communism? A: Absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at November 21, 2013 05:44 PM (hpgw1)

312 278 I'm 65 and I recall that blue dot was some heavy acid that was all the rage with the in crowd. Blue dot was the girl William Kenndy Smith raped while on Easter weekend with Uncle Teddy.

Posted by: Madamex at November 21, 2013 05:45 PM (vLWV7)

313 The only thing that will keep me warm this winter is my hatred. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 21, 2013 09:43 PM (oFCZn)


I also have an electric blanket.


And booze.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 21, 2013 05:45 PM (Gk3SS)

314 Nip _ Okay..., I take it back..., I was wrong. Looks like Teddy took an abbreviated tour. Sorry.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 05:46 PM (aDwsi)

315 If it were up to Rove, he would never allowed Cruz to run in the primary. Rove hates him. HATE

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 05:46 PM (zOTsN)

316 306 Blue Duck,

Horsefuck.  I'm on my nook elseways I'd be thrilled to post about 100 different rants from Shicklegruber on the evils of FreeMarket capitalism....

read a book written before 1987.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 05:46 PM (9jfyN)

317 I shouted out, Who killed the kennedys? When after all It was you and me

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at November 21, 2013 09:44 PM (jucos)



Hi, Truck!!!  {waves wildly}

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:46 PM (8lmkt)

318 Please Big Joe was a dick, but he is not the detestable asshole Soros is. Posted by: Nip Sip Old Joe was FDR's ambassador to the Court of St. James (that's Great Britain) during the early days of WWII, and the British Foreign Ministry almost had to beg Roosevelt to recall Joe because he was so openly defeatist regarding Hitler and almost wanted Britain to lose the war. He openly talked about giving up half his fortune (and encouraging other wealthy Americans to do the same) to the Nazis as a bribe for leaving America alone. Swell guy. Losing Joe Jr. was almost a penance for acting the way he did. Almost, but not quite. He never quit being an asshole the rest of his life. All of his kids. Joe Jr. , John and Robert. Robert enlisted in the Navy at the very end of WWII, as he was just barely old enough to serve.

Posted by: Benjamin Franklin at November 21, 2013 05:46 PM (v6hyJ)

319 While it is true that President Obama didn't model himself after Pol Pot, some say that ObamaCare and the Cambodian killing fields are both the results of government policy.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at November 21, 2013 05:46 PM (6ahup)

320 What is the difference between fascism and communism? A: Absolutely nothing. Certainly to the moldering bones in the mass graves.

Posted by: toby928© at November 21, 2013 05:47 PM (QupBk)

321 312 angel with a sword,

slight intonations in rhetoric on their command economies....

you know like we're setting up here....?

Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 05:47 PM (9jfyN)

322 Teddy served.  Served and was served quite a bit.  He Captained an Oldsmobile Submarine and only lost one crew member.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at November 21, 2013 05:48 PM (jucos)

323 312 well if all left-wing politics amounts to is statism then yeah but that's a pretty simplistic definition. There are dictatorships that had an ethnically, culturally specific view of their country and a traditional societal vision that could be fairly described as right-wing.

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 05:48 PM (TP6sz)

324 Blue Derp doesn't like smokers.

You know who else didn't like smokers?

Hitler.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 21, 2013 05:49 PM (KVY+w)

325 Truck, srsly, you are en fuego tonight! 

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:49 PM (8lmkt)

326 Blue.dot, just out of college?

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 05:49 PM (zOTsN)

327 @319 All that is true, and I said Joe was a dick. He didn't actuality work for Nazi's. Soros DID. Soros is the scum of the earth.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 05:49 PM (0FSuD)

328 and a traditional societalvision that could be fairly described as right-wing. As some might say.

Posted by: toby928© at November 21, 2013 05:49 PM (QupBk)

329 sven you don't get to define right-wing politics as solely libertarian economics sorry dude

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 05:50 PM (TP6sz)

330 Mr. Feverhead, after a few minutes of contemplation I still haven't decided if that is good snark or brilliant insight.

Posted by: tbodie at November 21, 2013 05:50 PM (8KGvR)

331 Blue.dot, just out of college?

Oh, that's gonna leave a mark . . .

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:51 PM (8lmkt)

332 324 blue duck,

did "the boss" have the power to snap his fingers and command/nationalize industry while controlling labor?

If yes you have more in common with socialisn than Locke and Smith.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 05:51 PM (9jfyN)

333 Blue derp eats vegetables.

You know who else ate vegetables?

Hitler.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 21, 2013 05:51 PM (KVY+w)

334 >>>Every single game I watch now I watch through the filter of what will NFL QBs on Facebook say about it. I'm so glad I'm not the only one. Dark chocolate covered in peanut butter?

Posted by: DC in Towson at November 21, 2013 05:51 PM (eQJwb)

335

HEY PEACHES!!!!!! 

*Forest Gump Waves!*

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at November 21, 2013 05:51 PM (jucos)

336 You know who else didn't like smokers? Hitler. Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 21, 2013 09:49 PM (KVY+w) You know why Hitler gave up gin, right? Made him mean.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 05:51 PM (0FSuD)

337 sven you don't get to define right-wing politics as solely libertarian economics sorry dude I belly laughed. Irony is not just a river that some say is in Egypt.

Posted by: toby928© at November 21, 2013 05:51 PM (QupBk)

338 The young intern Kennedy raped/screwed?  Was while Jackie was in the hospital recovering from an emergency c-section, and just two days after the death of their son, Patrick.

By her own description, she was a virgin, was liquored up, JFK brought her into his and Jackie's bedroom, pulled off her panties and screwed her.

She was freaked out, ashamed, but in awe that the president wanted her. 

I believe she was 18 or 19.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 05:52 PM (lVPtV)

339 I also have an electric blanket. And booze. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 21, 2013 09:45 PM (Gk3SS) Oh you're a prepper?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 21, 2013 05:52 PM (oFCZn)

340 330 Blue Duck,

Yeah see "Locke" fuckhead.

This ain't Europe and"follow the Constitution and leave us the fuck alone" does not beget Hitler thanks for playing.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 05:53 PM (9jfyN)

341 Isn't blue dot the softball used in men's slow pitch?

Posted by: no good deed at November 21, 2013 05:53 PM (k55Fc)

342

333 you're seriously arguing a guy who overthrew a socialist government and presided over an authoritarian Catholic regime is himself a socialist because he wasn't Hayek on economics (plus Spain opened up for trade later anyway)

 

think about it

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 05:53 PM (TP6sz)

343 "some say"

Give that man a Pulitzer!

Posted by: Dang at November 21, 2013 05:54 PM (YWXTN)

344 341 "follow the Constitution leavemealone" can mean any number of things good or bad and in fact has been appropriated for negative purposes in the past

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 05:55 PM (TP6sz)

345

Blue Derp gets up in the morning. 

You know who else get up in the morning?

Hitler.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at November 21, 2013 05:55 PM (jucos)

346 New Orleans better crank it up in the second half. I gave the points in a traditional societalvision that could be fairly described as right-wing. At least by some.

Posted by: toby928© at November 21, 2013 05:55 PM (QupBk)

347 blue dolt loves his doggeh

Know who else loved his doggeh?

Hitler

But not in the same way

Posted by: kbdabear at November 21, 2013 05:55 PM (aTXUx)

348 Okay - Who thinks blue dot has blue balls?

Posted by: ??? at November 21, 2013 05:56 PM (5Q1ZU)

349

I also have an electric blanket.


And booze.

 

 

...and an army of bed-warmers.

Or are the Pleasure Guard not used for that?

Posted by: garrett at November 21, 2013 05:56 PM (SEZUJ)

350 Posted by: tbodie at November 21, 2013 09:50 PM (8KGvR) ~ I'm not sure myself.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at November 21, 2013 05:56 PM (6ahup)

351

y'all are some comedians

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 05:56 PM (TP6sz)

352

Please Big Joe was a dick, but he is not the detestable asshole Soros is. Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 09:39 PM (0FSuD)

 

 He comes close though. I don't know if it was, perhaps, lingering feelings of inferiority and resentment about being born Irish Catholic instead of WASP, but Joe wanted to establish an American aristocracy based on birth just like the Brits had.

 

Remember, he told his sons that he expected Joe Jr. to become president and since Joe Jr. died in WWII, he expected JFK to carry on, and if something happened to JFK, RFK needed to become prez and if something happened to RFK, then Teddy... And they followed Joe's wishes, because none of them had the balls to stand up to him. And so the country was inflicted with the Kennedys and Joe got his wish - American aristocracy.

 

The country would have been better off if they had just been trust-fund goof offs or gotten jobs in some white shoe law firm. They could have spent all their time screwing and drinking and drugging instead of foisting this ridiculous myth on the American people.

 

 Americans know now about how corrupt and horny and ruthless and amoral the clan is - and yet that doesn't matter because they're the Magical Beautiful Kennedys. Aristocrats.  The rules don't apply to them.

 

 They weren't just corrupt, they corrupted the country.

Posted by: Donna V. at November 21, 2013 05:56 PM (R3gO3)

353 347 @277. The funny thing is, Lincoln's assassination actually was a conspiracy while Kennedy's was just one lone person working for Cuba. FIFY. See WSJ story yesterday.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 05:56 PM (0FSuD)

354 343 Blue Duck,

Franco engaged in redistributive economics and exerted coercive influence across the economic spectrum....

again crack a period book...


the money is not properly the govt's to play Santa with.

Thanks for playing.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 05:56 PM (9jfyN)

355
I also have an electric blanket.


And booze.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 21, 2013 09:45 PM (Gk3SS)


----


Just one beer here.  Poor planning on my part, and I must suffer the consequences.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 21, 2013 05:57 PM (UvR6d)

356 Sorry, I have to be in and out some tonight. [get your minds out of the gutter!] "There's obviously been certain historical examples of the far right taking power - Franco, Hitler,..." blue.dot ------ Oops. Another giveaway.

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 05:57 PM (1Y+hH)

357 Clinton is still consumed with Kennedy envy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 05:57 PM (aDwsi)

358 I really like these in depth discussions on the potential for rhetoric to inspire violence, using absolutely no evidence whatsoever. Argument by assertion is the mark of a well developed intellect.

Posted by: DC in Towson at November 21, 2013 05:57 PM (eQJwb)

359 Factually inconvenient that the same guy who killed Kennedy because of the hateful right wing nurturing he was exposed to in Dallas tried to kill General Walker who was slightly to the right of Ghengis Kahn.

Posted by: Rbattman at November 21, 2013 05:57 PM (11FuK)

360 By her own description, she was a virgin, was liquored up, JFK brought her into his and Jackie's bedroom, pulled off her panties and screwed her.

She was freaked out, ashamed, but in awe that the president wanted her.

I believe she was 18 or 19.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 09:52 PM (lVPtV)



Slick Willie: My hero!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 21, 2013 05:57 PM (JivuR)

361 @354 I agree, and they started the MSM worship mode. It was the beginning of no shame for the MSM.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 05:58 PM (0FSuD)

362 JFK's brain missing was also Oswald, as was the burning of the interrogation notes. Then the killer garage security. Then sealing the records for 40, then sealing them some more, totes Oswald.

Posted by: nip at November 21, 2013 05:58 PM (jI23+)

363 Who thinks blue dot has blue balls?

Posted by: ???

He only has one ball.

You know who else had only one ball?

Yep.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 21, 2013 05:58 PM (KVY+w)

364
Somebody didn't read Jonah's book.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2013 05:58 PM (iGPSR)

365

Blue Derp likes comedians.

You know who else liked comedians?

Carrot Top.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at November 21, 2013 05:59 PM (jucos)

366 Tedious fuckwit, isn't he?

Some Say Pre-Da Vinci Proto-Radicalistism!

I Say Boobies!

Posted by: Adolph Obama at November 21, 2013 05:59 PM (vHRtU)

367 I'm sticking with my theory of time-traveling Babylonian shape-shifters, and the KKK.

Posted by: toby928© at November 21, 2013 05:59 PM (QupBk)

368 Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 09:52 PM (lVPtV)

Holy shit, Jane.  How did I not know this?  So tawdry and, yet, the media covered for him 100% (sound familiar?) and he was greatly beloved.  Even my parents, who have been right-wing crazies for decades, thought he was swell.  Barf-worthy, all of it.

Posted by: Peaches at November 21, 2013 05:59 PM (8lmkt)

369 356 so what? "Redistributive economics" and socialism aren't necessarily the same thing anyway and again you're taking one slice of American conservatism and making it the whole of it. unless you wanna argue these governments were culturally liberal

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 05:59 PM (TP6sz)

370 ...and an army of bed-warmers.
Or are the Pleasure Guard not used for that? Posted by: garrett at November 21, 2013 09:56 PM (SEZUJ)


A lady never tells.


And neither do I.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 21, 2013 05:59 PM (Gk3SS)

371 I think by 10 I will have the go to bed buzz.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 05:59 PM (0FSuD)

372 It was ze butler, with d' candlestick, in ze library.

Posted by: Inspector Clouseau at November 21, 2013 05:59 PM (eQZZW)

373 358 meremortal,

quite I called out his calumny several nights back...

argument by assertion backed only with assertion....why it's like the Democrat National Convention.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 06:00 PM (9jfyN)

374 "Some say" the NY Times should go f*ck itself.

Just kidding, that was me. 

Posted by: Phil. at November 21, 2013 06:01 PM (pYgST)

375 366 Goldberg's wrong & most historians (vast left-wing conspiracy I know) think so. it happens

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 06:01 PM (TP6sz)

376 345 341 "follow the Constitution leavemealone" can mean any number of things good or bad and in fact has been appropriated for negative purposes in the past Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 09:55 PM

To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities

In EVERY case it's been appropriated for negative purposes in the past


Posted by: kbdabear at November 21, 2013 06:02 PM (aTXUx)

377 You know JFK got Dexedrine shots with pain killers all during his term. Bad back. So basically JFK was a Meth head before being one was bad.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 06:02 PM (0FSuD)

378 Link to National Review article on JFK's intern:

http://tinyurl.com/6ponyk9

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 06:02 PM (lVPtV)

379 Eleanor Roosevelt said of JFK, "I wish he had less profile and more courage."

Posted by: logprof at November 21, 2013 09:32 PM (fETNt)





The old dyke probably wanted him to be a big commie like her cousin/husband

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 21, 2013 06:02 PM (JivuR)

380 345 341 "follow the Constitution leavemealone" can mean any number of things good or bad and in fact has been appropriated for negative purposes in the past Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 09:55 PM

Name one dictatorship whose creed was "a government which governs least, governs best"

Posted by: kbdabear at November 21, 2013 06:03 PM (aTXUx)

381
I'm so glad I'm not the only one. Dark chocolate covered in peanut butter? Posted by: DC in Towson at November 21, 2013 09:51 PM (eQJwb)


Yes, please.


*noms*


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 21, 2013 06:03 PM (Gk3SS)

382 I am intellectually in favor of the redistributive economics of bed warmers. As I have none, you will have to 'subsidize' me via redistribution from your excess.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 21, 2013 06:03 PM (vHRtU)

383 Some say that the argumentum ab auctoritate is overrated. Me? I say pass that bottle, brah.

Posted by: toby928© at November 21, 2013 06:03 PM (QupBk)

384

383 libertarian states' rights arguments have never been appropriated for negative purposes?

 

not really difficult to think up

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 06:04 PM (TP6sz)

385 Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 10:00 PM (9jfyN) blue.dot is hysterical and must be kept around. Which reminds me, I remember when blue.dot opened for the Dead Kennedys in Memphis.

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 06:04 PM (1Y+hH)

386
ahhhh....the great mind of the accomplished blue dot and his many written and well researched history books says Goldberg is wrong.

Do you remember when Jefferson said "to be so overtly left does not make you right"?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2013 06:04 PM (iGPSR)

387 blue.dot has not yet commented on Captain America vs. The Punisher. Until he does, we can not know him.

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2013 06:04 PM (AO9UG)

388 371 Blue Duck,

I'm sorry I must have missed Dallas' international impact and the Kennedy murder taking place internationally.

Here in THIS country the fight is between "leave us the fuck alone you fucking Marxist retards" and "you dumb fucks need my wise guiding hand cradle to grave...except on buttsecks"....

the US right is not in the business of taking from Peter to buy Paul's vote.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 06:04 PM (9jfyN)

389 I weary of American conservatives being labeled as 'right wing'. I will not play that game. There was nothing 'conservative' in the sense of American conservatism about Hitler or Mussolini. They were outright fascists. Same for Franco. That their means of securing power employed the tactics of socialists and Marxists seems undeniable. The 'Right Wing' label is flung about by the Left with the constant hope that it will stick. A willing Fifth Column helps.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 06:05 PM (aDwsi)

390 >>>Eleanor Roosevelt said of JFK, "I wish he had less profile and more courage." That makes me likes JFK a lot more. Fuck that scrunt. I already kinda sorta like JFK. Hell, he would be a filthy neo-con today: low tax, pro commie-killing. Also, he lived the Moron Lifestyle.

Posted by: DC in Towson at November 21, 2013 06:05 PM (eQJwb)

391 Some say the blue dot moniker alludes to the red dot sights on a weapon. But instead of a bullet expect to be hit by a big sloppy red herring.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at November 21, 2013 06:06 PM (6ahup)

392 My conclusion is that blue dot is one of the voices in curious' head that decided to break free

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 21, 2013 06:06 PM (RZ8pf)

393 Always hilarious went a leftie claims that National Socialism was a right-wing phenomena.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 21, 2013 06:06 PM (KVY+w)

394 HOSSA!

Posted by: garrett at November 21, 2013 06:06 PM (SEZUJ)

395

389 the idea that fascism is right-wing is pretty uncontroversial everywhere except here. I didn't just invent it.

 

you could blame it on historian leftwingery but it might just be that it is in fact far-right

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 06:06 PM (TP6sz)

396 Considering Oswald was a Commie, and Kennedy is today considered conservative by just about any standard, it's not much of a stretch to suggest that maybe, hell it's likely the Progressive took out Kennedy because he was not towing the Progressive line like he was expected.

Posted by: Walknot at November 21, 2013 06:06 PM (cey9b)

397 Blue.dot Don't be obtuse. WTF is your point? Be concise. Are you arguing the right wing atmosphere in Dallas was responsible for JFKs death or not. Be direct

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 06:06 PM (zOTsN)

398 So delighted that blue dot has stooped down to educate all of lesser beings. I can't wait to get more learnin from his unparalleled big brain full of unique and valuable wisdom. And all for the low price of an Internet connection. What a bargain!

Posted by: ??? at November 21, 2013 06:07 PM (5Q1ZU)

399 blue.dot has not yet commented on Captain America vs. The Punisher. Until he does, we can not know him. Posted by: eman ---------------------------- Or Kate Upton..., and come to think of it, nothing about nicklefuckers either.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 06:07 PM (aDwsi)

400 Also, he lived the Moron Lifestyle. Posted by: DC in Towson at November 21, 2013 10:05 PM (eQJwb) Well sort of. I don't think cheating on your wife is part of the moron lifestyle.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 06:07 PM (0FSuD)

401 392 I don't disagree, obviously conservatism and the far right aren't the same thing

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 06:07 PM (TP6sz)

402 Oswald was a robot from the future dispatched to kill Kennedy by Galactic Dictator Sarah Palin.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2013 06:08 PM (MMC8r)

403 Until he does, we can not know him. Posted by: eman at November 21, 2013 10:04 PM (AO9UG)


I was channel surfing tonight and The Master was on.   I laughed.   A lot.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 21, 2013 06:08 PM (Gk3SS)

404 Blue.dot What made the Nazi right wing in your opinion? Be direct

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 06:08 PM (zOTsN)

405 I didn't just invent it. You just swallowed it.

Posted by: toby928© at November 21, 2013 06:08 PM (QupBk)

406

Ben Smith!

 

Posted by: garrett at November 21, 2013 06:08 PM (SEZUJ)

407 In pectorum, quid pro quo. In pecuniam, sic transit gloria.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 21, 2013 06:08 PM (vHRtU)

408 Is it just me or is the yelling on Hannity getting worse? I turned him off.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 06:09 PM (0FSuD)

409
398  well, no.  Not in any sense of the words left or right.  But thanks for playing.

We have a nice parting gift of Volume IV, Things Jefferson said.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2013 06:09 PM (iGPSR)

410 >>>I don't think cheating on your wife is part of the moron lifestyle. Different times, man. Different times. (Every analogy breaks down if you take it far enough)

Posted by: DC in Towson at November 21, 2013 06:09 PM (eQJwb)

411 Everyone knows that he was really aiming for Buckwheat.  Kennedy's brahmin noggin was in the way. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 21, 2013 06:09 PM (hcHS/)

412 Eleanor Roosevelt liked to eat at the Y.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at November 21, 2013 06:09 PM (jucos)

413 the idea that fascism is right-wing is pretty uncontroversial everywhere except here. Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 10:06 PM (TP6sz) When in a hole....

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 06:09 PM (1Y+hH)

414 Also, he lived the Moron Lifestyle. Posted by: DC in Towson at November 21, 2013 10:05 PM (eQJwb) Well sort of. I don't think cheating on your wife is part of the moron lifestyle. Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 10:07 PM (0FSuD) It is not. Asking for pics when boobies are mentioned is. JFK was not a Moron.

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2013 06:09 PM (AO9UG)

415

400 no. We're talking about a guy who came back from the Soviet Union then murdered Kennedy, so the idea that a "toxic environment" contributed to his thoughts is wrong.

 

my point is just that I don't think discussing fringe-right politics 50 years ago and comparing it to certain overheated rhetoric today should be off-limits. Although, you can do this with pretty much any side in politics.

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 06:09 PM (TP6sz)

416 The thought of Ed Schultz in the WH today is hilarious. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 06:10 PM (lVPtV)

417 Blue.dot when did you graduate? Have you yet?

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 06:10 PM (zOTsN)

418 In a world where Hitler, Reagan and the Ayatollah are all rightwing, the words have no real meaning. They basically mean the speaker dislikes us, like a hiss.

Posted by: toby928© at November 21, 2013 06:10 PM (QupBk)

419 398 Blue Duck,

when peddled by Marxists yeah I guess.....

Woodrow Wilson and FDR "right wingers"....

FDR jailed a guy for charging too little to iron a shirt and picked precious metal prices with mad libs and crosswords.

Totalitarianism HERE is a left wing thing.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 21, 2013 06:11 PM (9jfyN)

420 Bored? NFL game free. I am a giver. http://tinyurl.com/kk4f68f

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 06:11 PM (0FSuD)

421 407 I associate an ethnically particular/culturally traditional/nationalist vision of society more with the right than the left. Nazism is an extreme form of that.

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 06:11 PM (TP6sz)

422 Blue.dot who is the right fringe now?

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 06:11 PM (zOTsN)

423 404 392 I don't disagree, obviously conservatism and the far right aren't the same thing Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 10:07 PM (TP6sz) ~ For fuck sake just call us Riech-wing haters already your passive aggressive comments are irritating as shit. Say what you mean, Daisy.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at November 21, 2013 06:11 PM (6ahup)

424 I think I want ATL to beat the St's. Helps Carolina.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 06:12 PM (0FSuD)

425 426 lol y'all're sensitive, I don't say what I don't think

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 06:12 PM (TP6sz)

426 OK, blue.dot and Moo Moo at twenty paces with spinning rods and snagging hooks. Who wins? Besides us, of couse.

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 06:13 PM (1Y+hH)

427 So, what was the actual difference between the radical 'right-winger' Hitler and the far leftist Stalin? (Setting up my notion that there's really almost no difference other than some folks wanting to class their political enemies as having a scumbag as bad as the scumbag on their side.)

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2013 06:13 PM (MMC8r)

428 For fuck sake just call us Riech-wing haters already your passive aggressive comments are irritating as shit. Shh. He's rolling.

Posted by: toby928© at November 21, 2013 06:13 PM (QupBk)

429
I wonder if blue dot has two left feet.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2013 06:13 PM (iGPSR)

430 316 If it were up to Rove, he would never allowed Cruz to run in the primary. Rove hates him. HATE

======================

thunderb:    Speaking of Rove.  He's found his way to NC pushing yet another go-along insider to run against the witch Kay Hagan for Senate.  How does he get away with this shite all the damn time.

Posted by: NCwoof at November 21, 2013 06:13 PM (aUQgu)

431 Blue Dot, you used to post on LF as 'Balling,' didn't you?

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 21, 2013 06:14 PM (vHRtU)

432 ONT up

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 06:14 PM (lVPtV)

433 blue.dot, the NYT wasn't merely "discussing fringe-right politics 50 years ago and comparing it to certain overheated rhetoric today", and you know that. They were weaving a net of lies and insinuations that is meant to capture weak-minded fools and justify their own twisted worldview. We have seen the likes of you here before. You bring nothing new and are very boring.

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2013 06:15 PM (AO9UG)

434 So blue.dot, If ethnically particular Culturally traditional Nationalist vision Equals the Right Then China is right wing?

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 06:15 PM (zOTsN)

435
*sound of 23 shuffling feet upstairs*

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2013 06:15 PM (iGPSR)

436 . had such a short career and I had such high hopes for it.

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 06:15 PM (1Y+hH)

437 I might point out to this, I'm guessing, 30-something yankee that Dallas, and TX was quite Democrat in 1963.  I know, I've been around here for a while.  TX Democrats then were socially conservative, slightly libereral when it came to the government assisting the needy, but no one would have ever considered the general population of TX democrats as Marxists/Commies/"Rightwing"/whatever the current slur du jour for current conservatives.  We didn't like yankee, because they tended to poke their noise into everybody's business and fuck stuff up.  Fast forward to today, and voila, nothing has changed.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2013 06:16 PM (nsOJa)

438

look if the right blogosphere gave up two of their really stupid tropes that aren't accepted anywhere, the first being this fascism is left-wing deal and the second being that Southern Democratic segregationists were somehow hardcore lefties, it'd be a lot more intellectually honest. that's all it is.

 

It's like lefties trying to argue that Communist states aren't "really" Communist for some dumb reason.

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 06:18 PM (TP6sz)

439 Blue.dot You graduated yet?

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 06:18 PM (zOTsN)

440 Posted by: eman at November 21, 2013 10:15 PM (AO9UG) ~ Well said.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at November 21, 2013 06:18 PM (6ahup)

441 We argue that southern democrats were segregationists They were You outta high school this June?

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 06:19 PM (zOTsN)

442 437 I'm sure you could find elements of Chinese politics that would qualify as right-wing by our politics. Obviously though Communist economic ideology/planning/control is the main thing they're defined by. Fascist governments on the other hand aren't primarily remembered for the fact that they controlled unions or w/e

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 06:21 PM (TP6sz)

443

thunderb thinks he's smrt

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 06:21 PM (TP6sz)

444 As Evelyn Waugh said rhetorically: Name one thing Hitler tried to "conserve."

Posted by: logprof at November 21, 2013 06:22 PM (fETNt)

445 444 yeah and they were also opposed on the issue by the Northern wing of their party and had a bunch of their voters switch to the GOP on the national level post-1964, which is why it's such a dumb talking point

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 06:23 PM (TP6sz)

446 thunderb thinks he's smrt He does have his diploma. **cough**

Posted by: toby928© at November 21, 2013 06:23 PM (QupBk)

447 Posted by: logprof

Bwahh, hha, haa.  Nice.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2013 06:23 PM (nsOJa)

448 NCwoof- Looks like we're going to be stuck with Tillis.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 21, 2013 06:24 PM (aDwsi)

449

I'm not trying to school anyone really, these are just accepted facts that aren't generally disputed except for people that want to make all the historical bad guys "left-wing," as if communism isn't enough by itself

 

and yes I did finish skool.

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 06:25 PM (TP6sz)

450 Yes The history is settled By Dan Rather and Cronkite

Posted by: Thunderb at November 21, 2013 06:28 PM (zOTsN)

451 Mike Hammer - NOOoooooooooooooooooooooooo!  Pul-lease

Posted by: NCwoof at November 21, 2013 06:31 PM (aUQgu)

452 405 Oswald was a robot from the future dispatched to kill Kennedy by Galactic Dictator Sarah Palin. Posted by: --- at November 21, 2013 10:08 PM

Damn, The Master really regenerated into a looker this time

Posted by: The Doctor at November 21, 2013 06:35 PM (aTXUx)

453 With a hashtag like, (aTXUx), it's a damn shame if you didn't attend UT.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2013 06:42 PM (nsOJa)

454 I disagree with the "Everyone loved Kennedy" statement.  His assassination redeemed his reputation nicely, thank you.  People weren't thrilled with the Bay of Pigs and weren't overly happy about his expanding America's military presence in Vietnam to prop up the corrupt Diem regime.  There is a real chance that Goldwater would have defeated him in the next election.

LBJ was a political hack who was a DEMOCRAT Senator from Texas.  The Solid South was still solidly democrat at this time and, yes, they loved them their democrat President.

Posted by: rabidfox at November 21, 2013 06:50 PM (Gejy0)

455 And here's a cartoon on this:
http://furiousdiaper.com/2013/11/21/kennedy-assassination/

*thread killer*

Posted by: Eric Allie at November 21, 2013 06:56 PM (+n4Qh)

456 so the Congressional Black Caucus is Right Wing?

Good to know Blue Duck

Posted by: sven at November 21, 2013 07:10 PM (9jfyN)

457 So, a guy born and bred in New Orleans, who was living in Fort Worth at the time of the assassination, was influenced by the hatred emanating from Dallas?   Not Mexico City? Not Havana?
Someone should start a group--"Fair Play for Dallas"

Posted by: LexisTexas at November 21, 2013 07:29 PM (kPFAg)

458

No, blue.dot, you are the one exhibiting ignorance about fascism.  Any ideology or regime in which state power predominates is, ipso facto, left-wing.  Unless we want to invent new uses of these terms, contrary to the conventional usage that comes out of the French Revolution. 

 

The Italian Fascists (who kinda have the trademark on the whole "fascist" terminology) had a slogan: "Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato" (everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state).   And if I hear soft mewling about slandering good "well-intentioned" left-wing Americans, review how popular Mussolini in particular was with the 30s equivalent of NYT/NPR retards.  Pretty eye-opening.

 

And if you need remedial work on the Nazis (and you probably do, a lot), for starters just wade through the trilogy by the British historian (name?) - Coming of the Third Reich/Third Reich in Power/Third Reich at War.  Mindful of his almost humorous desperation to paint the German commies and socialists in positive terms, imbibe his good summary of how National Socialism conquered German society, note how the state/Party "coordinated" all aspects of life.  Interestingly, not with as much success as the true totalitarianism of Soviet Russia - but that's mostly because Germany was a very advanced highly educated country, and Russia was very backwards.

 

But enough of the hopeless task of rescuing even a single soul from the degraded ignorance and inverted civic spirit that has become of what was once America (law and the individual and freedom subordinated to power, greed, racism, the state as god, and ignorant moral narcissism).  America's distinctive contribution to human history was a system centered on the individual, with a tightly limited government.  That is about 75% gone in reality, and at least 50% gone in the mindset of "Americans".  In 20 years, the place will be unrecognizable - in the most important, substantive, and precise sense of the word.

 

 

Posted by: non-purist at November 21, 2013 07:33 PM (afQnV)

459 It didn't help that the Birchers nominated a right-wing lunatic in Goldwater to run against a sensible LBJ. Goldwater's extreme pro-life stance as well as Reagan's insane "Time to Choose" speech resulted in an unprecidented Dem landslide. Take note, Jesus freaks!

Posted by: Mrs. Woo Woo at November 21, 2013 07:39 PM (66zNN)

460 Leon Czolgosz was an Anarchist and not a product of right-wing Buffalo, NY. But because the anti-McKinley tenor came not so much from radical outcasts but from parts of mainstream Buffalo, some say the anger seemed to come with the cityÂ’s informal blessing...and also their delicious wings.

Posted by: LexisTexas at November 21, 2013 07:58 PM (kPFAg)

461

So the right wingers in Dallas put Oswald in a foul mood and he took it out on a President that they despised.

Dafuq?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 21, 2013 08:10 PM (S11Oq)

462 I still say LBJ had Kennedy killed so that he could avoid prosecution of financial fraud, electoral fraud, and racketeering/mob ties.

That, and because he was a fscking bastard.

Posted by: Picasa Tucasa, korean exile at November 21, 2013 10:48 PM (+LHxM)

463  "McCarthyesque paranoia" McCartty wasn't paranoid. McCarthy was right.

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at November 22, 2013 02:57 AM (52QEX)

464 Why did Oswald work with Bannister, Ferrie, et al?  How did he get back into the U.S. so quickly after defecting?  Why did he learn Russian while serving in the military?

Maybe he wasn't a lefty, and maybe he didn't shoot the president.  If you want to blame a political villian, LBJ and the Washington establishment seems good, and maybe right.  LBJ had put hits on people before (look up Mac Wallace, his hitman), and in this case had a variety of elements that had been cooperating in secret assasination plans for other leaders and also all stood to benefit from Kennedy being gone.

Or maybe Oswald did it.  Maybe Arlen Spector, when confronted with an additional bullet that would have challenged the Oswald/single-shooter narrative, brilliantly came to the honest truth of the magic bullet theory.  That guy is pure integrity, as we all know, so definitely Oswald must have done it.

Posted by: scott at November 22, 2013 03:05 PM (SfgdH)

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