May 27, 2013

The Media and the War [OregonMuse]
— Open Blogger

Happy Memorial Day to one and all.

Here are a couple of quotes from To Set The Record Straight: How Swift Boat Veterans, POWs and the New Media Defeated John Kerry by Scott Swett and Tim Ziegler, which was one of the books I recommended in this Sunday's book thread.

In the spring of 1969, U. S. Army Chief of Staff General William C. Westmoreland gave a presentation to the U.S. Armed Forces Staff College in Norfolk, Virginia. He concluded with this story: I recently had the privilege of decorating a young Captain for valor in Vietnam. He was in command of a battery of 105 howitzers. They started taking mortar fire. He had a then-experimental countermortar radar that showed the mortar fire was coming from a nearby village. All of his instincts and training said to traverse his guns and silence the mortar, but he didn't do that. Instead, he ordered his men to take cover and led a platoon to the village on foot. As they got there, they saw the villagers were gathered in the center of the village, so they silently moved forward behind the buildings. In the middle of that gathering there was a ten-foot diameter pit in the ground, and in the pit, three enemy soldiers holding guns on the villagers while the mortar crew fired at the American artillery position.

The Captain and two of his men went in low, screening themselves behind the villagers, lobbed grenades, and yelled. They and the villagers fell away from the pit. The grenades went off in the pit. They ran forward and cleaned up the situation, and that was that. No friendly casualties.

As I was pinning on his medal, I asked the Captain how he got so smart. He said, "Oh, you could always expect 'em to pull a stunt like that when there was an American TV crew in the province."[Empasis mine]

Ladies and gentlemen, the Captain knows his war.

— Col. Ben H. Swett, USAF (Ret.), Vietnam veteran, 1969-70

Here's an even better one:

Viet Cong Minister of Justice Truong Nhu Tang later said that none of the Viet Cong's five divisions retained even half of their forces after the Tet Offensive, while U.S forces suffered no militarily significant losses. However, he also recalled:

"From the political point of view, it was a very heavy blow for President Johnson's government. The [perceived] loss made the American antiwar movement exert pressure. So what we lost on the military front, we won on the diplomatic and psychological fronts. Above all, on the fourth front, the mass media, the press, television, and the liberals in the United States."

Heh. In other words, the North Vietnamese government played the liberal left and their media allies like a rented violin. Kind of like what the jihadis are doing now.

And I can't recommend this book highly enough. It's just fascinating reading. I'm at the part now where it's 1971, and Kerry has managed to elbow his way onto the executive committee of the anti-war group Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW). However, the rank-and-file VVAW membership soon want him gone. Why? Because they discovered that John Kerry's only use for the VVAW is to further the political career of John Kerry.

An FBI report on the University of Oklahoma regional VVAW convention observed: "The entire conference lacked coordination and appeared to be a platform for JOHN KERRY, national leader of VVAW, rather than for VVAW and Winter Soldier Investigation (WSI)."

So, you're telling us that John Kerry is a dishonest, greedy, self-aggrandizing douchebag? The devil you say.

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1 Smart captain.  The MFM started their assholeishness toward our military in Vietnam.  They've sold themselves  out to the marxists ever since.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 12:47 PM (m0NNN)

2 Salute!

Posted by: Meremortal at May 27, 2013 12:47 PM (1Y+hH)

3 Re John Kerry, once a despicable self-serving asshole always a despicable self-serving asshole!

Posted by: Hrothgar at May 27, 2013 12:48 PM (Cnqmv)

4 "Fourth front" - Amazing. This guy literally used the analogy of the "fifth column" to describe the American media.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 27, 2013 12:49 PM (QTHTd)

5 What you can't demonstrate by logic, you can often "prove" with repetition of a lie!

Posted by: Hrothgar at May 27, 2013 12:51 PM (Cnqmv)

6 Shocked I am!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 27, 2013 12:51 PM (0HooB)

7 John Kerry - Once a gigolo, always a gigolo

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 27, 2013 12:52 PM (GEICT)

8 The MFM.. what are they good for?

Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2013 12:52 PM (u25eL)

9 The local media in Texas do report these: Burglar shot by home owner:

http://tinyurl.com/nuz9clf

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at May 27, 2013 12:53 PM (ylhEn)

10 At Kerry's  useage of the military to  promote his gubmint  career,  that is.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 27, 2013 12:53 PM (0HooB)

11 >>>The MFM.. what are they good for? ---------------------------------------------------------- Absolutely nuthin', say it again. HUH.

Posted by: War at May 27, 2013 12:54 PM (4Mv1T)

12 John Kerry - Once a gigolo, always a gigolo

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 27, 2013 04:52 PM (GEICT)

 

 

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And MA keeps electing their  whores.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 12:54 PM (m0NNN)

13 Everyone in MA knew that if you needed to get something done, you called Ted Kennedy's office instead of Kerry's.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at May 27, 2013 12:55 PM (uL0u2)

14 Heh. In other words, the North Vietnamese government played the liberal left and their media allies like a rented violin. Kind of like what the jihadis are doing now.


Nothing ever changes with these America-hating shitbags.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 27, 2013 12:55 PM (ZTCp6)

15 The MFM (delenda est) turned against the USA before Vietnam. Anyone else remember the New Duranty Times? The "paper of record" going pro-Soviet? Mind you, I don't remember it as a witness, but it's part of their memory-holed history.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 27, 2013 12:55 PM (qyfb5)

16 Woah, actual comments on a thread today? Although, I'm thinking everyone is saving up for the ONT.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 27, 2013 12:56 PM (GEICT)

17 off Edwin Starr sock.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 27, 2013 12:57 PM (4Mv1T)

18 And Walter Cronkite is still remembered as  America's anchorman.  *spit*

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 12:58 PM (m0NNN)

19 What was the MFM like during the Korean War?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 27, 2013 12:59 PM (Quyce)

20 Lest we forget about John Kerry

http://tinyurl.com/28wnj85

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at May 27, 2013 12:59 PM (ylhEn)

21 LOL.. Tobacco Road, reading my mind.  Few venture into it, most leave baffled.

Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2013 01:00 PM (u25eL)

22

John Kerry can't fill my pantsuit (or my jockstrap either)

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 27, 2013 01:01 PM (Pr6hk)

23 And now kerry is fucking up American Foreign Policy with reckless abandon.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2013 01:01 PM (jE38p)

24 Imaging the modern media reporting on D-Day.  They would have portrayed it as a major defeat and demanded Ike's head.

Posted by: Lucky Pierre at May 27, 2013 01:02 PM (5fSr7)

25 What was the MFM like during the Korean War?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 27, 2013 04:59 PM (Quyce)

 

 

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Ask Vic.  He was already middle-aged during that time. 

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 01:03 PM (m0NNN)

26 John Kerry Reveals $4 Billion Plan To Boost The Economy . . . For The Palestinians – Update: Palestinians Promptly Reject Plan… The Palestinian Authority on Monday rejected the idea of economic benefits in exchange for political concessions put forward by US Secretary of State John Kerry one day prior. “The Palestinian leadership will not offer political concessions in exchange for economic benefits,” PA President Mahmoud Abbas’s economic adviser, Mohammad Mustafa, said in a statement, according to the Palestinian Ma’an news agency. “We will not accept that the economy is the primary and sole component.”

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2013 01:03 PM (jE38p)

27
But I have proof, memo as it were.....

Posted by: Dan Rather at May 27, 2013 01:04 PM (Pr6hk)

28

You rang???

Posted by: Lurch at May 27, 2013 01:05 PM (Pr6hk)

29 I look forward to the day when Kerry is cashiered and reduced to throwing old RESET buttons over the White House fence.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 27, 2013 01:05 PM (ZTCp6)

30 John Kerry: Do you know where your yacht is  moored?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 27, 2013 01:06 PM (0HooB)

31 John Kerry Reveals $4 Billion Plan To Boost The Economy . . . For The Palestinians


Unlike Kerry, Incitatus could do math by stamping his foot.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 27, 2013 01:06 PM (ZTCp6)

32 LOL Soona.  Actually, I can remember quite a bit of it.  It was pretty much like it was during Iraq.  Of course I was an impressionable 15 year old girl and thought everything I was being fed was the Gods honest truth.  War is bad, America is fucking up.  Dead soldiers, Dan Rather reporting of the horrors.  Not to downplay the horrors of war.. but there was very little mention of any victories.  It was all death and destruction all the time.  Then there was the added bonus of protesters and hippies etc.

Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2013 01:07 PM (u25eL)

33 “The Palestinian leadership will not offer political concessions in exchange for economic benefits,” PA President Mahmoud Abbas’s economic adviser, Mohammad Mustafa, said in a statement, according to the Palestinian Ma’an news agency. “We will not accept that the economy is the primary and sole component.”

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2013 05:03 PM (jE38p)

 

 

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They want to die of their hate of Jews.  I'm hoping our next president and Israel will finally  oblige them.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 01:07 PM (m0NNN)

34

Can you believe those libtards ran the one guy from Yale who had worse grades than I did

Posted by: Dubya at May 27, 2013 01:08 PM (Pr6hk)

35 Can you believe those libtards ran the one guy from Yale who had worse grades than I did Posted by: Dubya at May 27, 2013 05:08 PM (Pr6hk) Honey, Obama's post-secondary grades were very likely worse. If you keep your grades secret, you're embarrassed by them.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at May 27, 2013 01:10 PM (uL0u2)

36 LOL Soona. Actually, I can remember quite a bit of it. It was pretty much like it was during Iraq. Of course I was an impressionable 15 year old girl and thought everything I was being fed was the Gods honest truth. War is bad, America is fucking up. Dead soldiers, Dan Rather reporting of the horrors. Not to downplay the horrors of war.. but there was very little mention of any victories. It was all death and destruction all the time. Then there was the added bonus of protesters and hippies etc.

Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2013 05:07 PM (u25eL)

 

 

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Bertram was asking about the Korean War.  And I still say we need to ask Vic.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 01:10 PM (m0NNN)

37 Posted by: Lucky Pierre at May 27, 2013 05:02 PM (5fSr7)


Man o Man, ain't that the truth.


Not to mention the  Battle of the Bulge...

Posted by: HH at May 27, 2013 01:10 PM (XXwdv)

38

The memories of the encounter are seared, seared into my brain...
 three men shooting off their motars into my pit...

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at May 27, 2013 01:11 PM (Pr6hk)

39 The Media (newpapers, radio, and later TV) were always viewed by the Communists (primarily Soviet Russia) as tools for another "front". There were always a plethora of "fronts" subsidized in part by the Soviets. This has been going on since before WWII. People my age and younger (late 50's) were always told as "youts" that is was the Right-wing isolationists that kept us out of WWII. Yes, there were Right-wing isolationists, and there were left - wing communist sympathizers that wanted to keep us out of WWII. Up until the beginning of Barbarossa (Jun 22, 1941), Britain was still "adversary #1". Dalton Trumbo, noted Left wing enthusiast (who also later wrote the screenplay to "Spartacus") and who was always a commie-symp, wrote a book called "The Amazing Andrew", where he conjures up the ghost of Andrew Jackson to talk about staying out of the European war. So yeah, the Media, Hollywood, and a lot of other unpleasant Americans were always (since the '30's , beyond the living memory of anyone here) against certain factions of our country, and were always enthusiastic about the spreading of "International" ideas.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at May 27, 2013 01:13 PM (I2uSp)

40 38 The memories of the encounter are seared, seared into my brain... three men shooting off their motars into my pit... Posted by: Anderson Cooper at May 27, 2013 05:11 PM (Pr6hk) If I stab an icepick into an ear and then pour bleach into it, will that get directly to my brain?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 27, 2013 01:13 PM (GEICT)

41 50% of the veteran vote went to Obama in 2012 according to Fox News evit polls. 44% voted for Obama against a naval aviator,war hero in 2008. after being swiftboated in 2004 Jerry still got 41% of the veteran vote. The 50% of veterans who helped re-elect Obama in 2012 were most probably the younger more recent vets while Romney got mpre of the older vets. New vets are voting with the libs

Posted by: occam at May 27, 2013 01:13 PM (DAHhf)

42 The memories of the encounter are seared, seared into my brain...
three men shooting off their motars into my pit...

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at May 27, 2013 05:11 PM (Pr6hk)

 

 

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Anderson was a big fan of "assholes and elbows".

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 01:14 PM (m0NNN)

43 When you have a certified* "Hero of Communist Victory" as the Secretary of State you can pretty much count on the Obama administration scandalpalooza proceeding full speed ahead.

* The story of the award by the Vietnamese Communists was in the New York Times, the Houston Chronicle and on broadcast TV. IIRC the date was July 23, 1983

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at May 27, 2013 01:14 PM (ylhEn)

44 I don't like this John Kerry.  May eternal shame and dishonor follow him to his grave.  Then we'll go find it and piss on it.

Posted by: Yip at May 27, 2013 01:17 PM (/jHWN)

45 >>>If I stab an icepick into an ear and then pour bleach into it, will that get directly to my brain? If not, you won't need to clean the wax out of your ears for a few weeks.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 27, 2013 01:17 PM (4Mv1T)

46 Oops.. my bad.  Reading.. how does it work?  lol

Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2013 01:19 PM (u25eL)

47 OT: So, let's see if I get this right. On the IRS story, originally they denied targeting conservatives and said you had to be crazy to think they would. Then, they said, oops, you know, it happened, and we are sorry, some low level rogue people did it we are outraged and we will make sure it never happens again. And now its, hey, of course they did it, because that's their job to hunt down these crazy wing nuts and its a good thing, too. Have I got that right?

Posted by: blaster at May 27, 2013 01:19 PM (5t86S)

48 it is not what the "media" produces that bothers the right, what pisses them off is thjat with all the choices Americans have only 10% choose to watch Fox News durring the primetime news hour

Posted by: occam at May 27, 2013 01:19 PM (DAHhf)

49 50% of the veteran vote went to Obama in 2012 according to Fox News evit polls. 44% voted for Obama against a naval aviator,war hero in 2008. after being swiftboated in 2004 Jerry still got 41% of the veteran vote. The 50% of veterans who helped re-elect Obama in 2012 were most probably the younger more recent vets while Romney got mpre of the older vets. New vets are voting with the libs

Posted by: occam at May 27, 2013 05:13 PM (DAHhf)

 

 

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That's from the  military votes that were actually counted.  You forget the big absentee ballot kurfluffle?  Many of our vets never got a ballot.  We still  probably don't know the true extent of that "oversight".

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 01:20 PM (m0NNN)

50 50% of the veteran vote went to Obama in 2012 according to Fox News evit polls. 44% voted for Obama against a naval aviator,war hero in 2008. after being swiftboated in 2004 Jerry still got 41% of the veteran vote. The 50% of veterans who helped re-elect Obama in 2012 were most probably the younger more recent vets while Romney got mpre of the older vets. New vets are voting with the libs Posted by: occam at May 27, 2013 05:13 PM (DAHhf) Bullshit

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2013 01:21 PM (jE38p)

51 Bertram just watch reruns of MASH.  It's all you will ever need to know about yet another war we should not have been involved in.  Just ask Hawkeye.

Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2013 01:21 PM (u25eL)

52 Occtard you're full of shit.  The enlisted ranks who were non minority went with Mitt.  Liberals infiltrate the officer corps through university pollution.  Have a warm cup of go fuck yourself.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 01:22 PM (LRFds)

53 Polls.  What are they good for?

Posted by: jewells45 at May 27, 2013 01:22 PM (u25eL)

54

Polls. What are they good for?

 

Smacking with a poleaxe?

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 27, 2013 01:24 PM (LZkKt)

55 Liberals infiltrate the officer corps through university pollution. Actually that is not true. The Officer's Corps tend to be more conservative than the Enlisted

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2013 01:24 PM (jE38p)

56 It's interesting how occam always tries to derail a post which asks uncomfortable questions about his gimlet-eyed heroes in the MFM.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 27, 2013 01:24 PM (irlNU)

57 And by interesting I mean routine and expected.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 27, 2013 01:25 PM (irlNU)

58  Occtard you're full of shit. The enlisted ranks who were non minority went with Mitt. Liberals infiltrate the officer corps through university pollution. Have a warm cup of go fuck yourself.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 05:22 PM (LRFds)

 

 

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The marxists in DC are slowly but surely turning our military against us  by attrition and then replacement by screaming leftist idiots.

 

The reports of "Homeland Security Police" also has me very afraid.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 01:26 PM (m0NNN)

59 Under His Eminence Most High and Holy President Barack Hussein Obama, there are no combat casualties to report on the front page, nor have there been any for the last 5 years.

Posted by: New York Tymz at May 27, 2013 01:26 PM (WWkHK)

60 Occam probably thinks 'swiftboated' means 'lied', though.

After all, Dan Rather told him so.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 27, 2013 01:27 PM (irlNU)

61 O/T, Gateway Pundit has a story up about the DOJ going judge shopping so they could spy on Rosen. How the fuck does Eric (with)Holder still have a job? It used to be the gallant thing to was to fall on your sword. That was pre BJ Clinton though.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 27, 2013 01:27 PM (VVBLA)

62 55 NGU,

Maybe in the Navy not my experience with the Army or the USAF over the years.  The military tends to reinforce entry positions in my experience.  In the combat arms the enlisted are more conservative the officer corps trends more liberal everywhere we've been.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 01:28 PM (LRFds)

63

I think it became 'fashionable' among the leftist media to be anti-war, during the Korean War.

 

I wasn't around then...but that's what I've gathered.

 

North Korea wasn't seen as an 'immediate threat' at our door.

 

But the media used anti-war sentiments to cloak their anti-military and anti-America outlook.

 

A lot of people are 'anti-war', but for different reasons.

I mean...you can be pro-defense and pro-military, but be against the  wastefulness of sending our warriors into a meat grinder for political reasons.

 

The leftists in the media have used this for their own agenda.

 

 

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 27, 2013 01:28 PM (L35yH)

64 Right before the last election, I was sitting at a bar and swapping some bar talk with a 40 something year old guy next to me. Turned out he was a vet. I usually tried not to let me comments get too political with strangers, but I thought "Hey, this guy looks normal, he's a vet, surely he must be a "conservative". And I made some comments that were a little more direct, but not showing my hand politically. Turns out he had voted for O, and was getting ready to do it again. I did not comment further. He volunteered that he was worried about getting his benefits. I can't speak for any others, but I am still shocked by the otherwise reasonable people I know, knew, or met during the last election cycle who voted for "the one".

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 27, 2013 01:29 PM (4Mv1T)

65 Occam's been posting the same (untrue) comment in several threads today. Poor soul.

Posted by: Adam at May 27, 2013 01:29 PM (Aif/5)

66 58 Soona,

Part of why the 3d happiest day of my life will eb the last time I see a base in my rear view mirror.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 01:29 PM (LRFds)

67 The Media in bed with our enemies? The most famous example I know. There once was an American military man -- who happened to be one hell of a marksman. Grew disgruntled with the USA and went off to Russia at the near pinnacle of the Cold War. He appeared at the Russian consulate in Moscow and wanted to renounce his American citizenship. It was reported in only one American newspaper - the New York Times. His name? Lee Harvey Oswald.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at May 27, 2013 01:30 PM (U2UQk)

68 To all veterans who are regulars or lurkers, thank you for your service.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at May 27, 2013 01:31 PM (uL0u2)

69

Yip, I'll go with you and we'll bring a case of beer.

 

I only hope the JEF and Shrillary, those bottom feeding parasites are exposed as the spineless shit stains that deserted our guys in Benghazi. That way their entire career and remaining lives will be spent in public shame and scorn. Then when they pass I can piss on theirs as well.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 27, 2013 01:32 PM (4+PCd)

70 "How the fuck does Eric (with)Holder still have a job?"


Look at it this way. The Mayor and the Sheriff  are brothers in this here town.


Think you are going to get justice if things go against you?  Think they are going to turn on each other?


Think again...

Posted by: HH at May 27, 2013 01:32 PM (XXwdv)

71 Actually that is not true. The Officer's Corps tend to be more conservative than the Enlisted

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2013 05:24 PM (jE38p)

 

 

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That might be true of officer ranks  up to field rank.  And then it's "you  toe the regime's line or you  can kiss  furthering your career  goodbye".  And once the field positions are filled, then it's only a matter of time before they start on the lower ranked officers.

 

I still think the military's ranks are being  purposely attritted and then filled with people who are more acceptable to Baraka's point of view.  

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 01:33 PM (m0NNN)

72 71 Soona,

Which is funny but has been going on since the '30s...

I hate the left, I hate them totally and slowly but ever so surely more than the soviets...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 01:35 PM (LRFds)

73 >>> what pisses them off is thjat with all the choices Americans have only 10% choose to watch Fox News durring the primetime news hour I choose not to watch Fox News, thus pissing myself off.

Posted by: fluffy at May 27, 2013 01:36 PM (z9HTb)

74 Greetings: Back in the last '69, I was an infantry squad leader in Viet Nam. One day, while we were being resupplied by helicopter out in the bush, a camera crew arrived along with the things we needed. A while later, our Captain came over to me with the crew in tow and asked me if I wanted to take them out on a patrol I was about to leave on. In one of my proudest moments in the war, I replied, in my New York fashion, with a question, "Do I have to bring them back?" We went out; they didnÕt.

Posted by: 11B40 at May 27, 2013 01:38 PM (hdhfj)

75

58...The marxists in DC are slowly but surely turning our military against us by attrition and then replacement by screaming leftist idiots.

 

And apparently, pumping them full of drugs, too...which is sobering.

There was a thing on Fox about this today.

 



The reports of "Homeland Security Police" also has me very afraid.

 

Yeah, in the hands of the current administration...the potential for abuse is certainly grounds to be afraid.

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 27, 2013 01:38 PM (L35yH)

76 64 Tobacco Road,

the military democrats have rendered a vision of the military barely above the civil service in benefit expectation.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 01:38 PM (LRFds)

77 Fluffy, once again, you have created a philosophical conundrum.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at May 27, 2013 01:39 PM (I2uSp)

78 Posted by: 11B40 at May 27, 2013 05:38 PM (hdhfj) Thank you for your service.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at May 27, 2013 01:39 PM (uL0u2)

79 The military in general, is a paternalistic organization. They have a paternalistic outlook on their soldiers, sailors, Marines under their charge. They tend to look at society from a paternalistic point of view, which pretty much coincides with the basic Democrat Party outlook. There are plenty of "conservative" military out there, but beware of believing something that might not be as true as you wish it to be. And a lot of retired military are still looking out for their iron rice bowl, their retirement benefits. So what if Obama and his administration do away with TriCare? The narrative is still different.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at May 27, 2013 01:44 PM (I2uSp)

80 Sven- I can see why any person would be concerned about their financial and physical well-being, and I would never begrudge them that. It is indeed shocking though how so many others in this country view their government's roles and responsibilities. I am most assuredly not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but if I can figure it out, what in the hell is wrong with everybody else like that? It beats the shit out of me every time I think about it.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 27, 2013 01:44 PM (4Mv1T)

81 When I was in the military, ~'82-'86, I had the impression that the military was becoming a social engineering experiment. Maybe it always was, but more in a good way historically. (My dad always told the story about this painfully kid, from Up the Holler WV. He probably was mal-nourished his whole life. No teeth. No medical care his whole life. The army gave him teeth, fed him, clothed him, taught him how to march, I think he got his GED too. Saved his life.) When I was in, it was all about promoting lezbo's to positions of power. I have so many stories...

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 27, 2013 01:44 PM (VVBLA)

82 Ordering pizza.  Meat lovers with extra cheese.  Fuck the diet.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 01:45 PM (m0NNN)

83 Ieaq and Afghanistan were both debacles. So wasn't Vietnam. At least the Vietnamese are now our friends. I can't see that happening in Ieaq or Afghanistan

Posted by: occam at May 27, 2013 01:45 PM (DAHhf)

84

74.... asked me if I wanted to take them out on a patrol I was about to leave on. ...I replied, in my New York fashion, with a question, "Do I have to bring them back?"

 

Posted by: 11B40 at May 27, 2013 05:38 PM (hdhfj)

 

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Heh. ...Nice.

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 27, 2013 01:45 PM (L35yH)

85 Fuck the diet. ***** In Soviet Washington, the diet fucks you.

Posted by: Beto at May 27, 2013 01:46 PM (MhA4j)

86
Just ask Hawkeye.

Alan Alda destroyed that show. I know it was already long of tooth before the powers that were suffered a collective brain aneurism, and put that gibbering idiot in charge of the show's 'direction', but he managed to take a solid show that was on a downward trend, and pile-drive it into the ground.

The emasculated, and emotional Hawkeye needed a c*** punch in the worst way.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 27, 2013 01:46 PM (eyJh9)

87 >>> Ieaq and Afghanistan were both debacles No argument here

Posted by: Saddam "Long Neck" Hussein at May 27, 2013 01:50 PM (z9HTb)

88 83 Occtard, I thought we elected Chicago Jesus because the simple act of election would heal the world you fucking red move the goalposts much?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 01:50 PM (LRFds)

89 Looks like Occam's drugs are kicking in and he's having trouble typing.

Posted by: Adam at May 27, 2013 01:51 PM (Aif/5)

90 80 tobacco road, It's horseshit IMHO, either the force is outside prtisan games or we ought to be playing too.....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 01:54 PM (LRFds)

91 So the type of people who get careers in the media are mostly gullible, anti-Amercian, left-wing, Liberal, Socialist types who use their platforms to cause damage all out of proportion to their influence as a single voter?

The Devil you say!

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 27, 2013 01:56 PM (bb5+k)

92 As I've said before, it's something that the guy who played Trapper John is a conservative and the guy who played BJ is a flaming liberal.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at May 27, 2013 01:58 PM (uL0u2)

93 91 Dioegenes Lamp, Maybe we need to empower Taranto and endow a scholarship for Conservative/Libertarian journalism majors preferably veterans...?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 01:58 PM (LRFds)

94 11B40. Thank you for your wit.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at May 27, 2013 01:58 PM (mVdHx)

95 One time in SouthCom.  Our site was located about half a mile from the airport.  Brazil just a mile or so that way.  Peru over yonder a couple miles.  And a news crew from Bogota wanted to see the Yanquis.  Naturally permission by host nation was refused.  Instead the news crew got access to the control tower and filmed our entire site.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 27, 2013 01:59 PM (w5kAo)

96 I'm no clam bumper, but Shannon Bream (sp) is a classy lady.

Posted by: Infidel [/i] at May 27, 2013 02:03 PM (gqEUi)

97 The story reminds me of the time in Tuzla when I took out an entire squad of Bosnian sappers dressed up as a grade school welcoming party.  I did it with only a cigarette lighter and a can of Aquanet.

Don't thank me.  I was only doing my duty.

Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at May 27, 2013 02:03 PM (ZTCp6)

98 So what if Obama and his administration do away with TriCare? The narrative is still different.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at May 27, 2013 05:44 PM (I2uSp)


IMO, a soldier, sailor or marine deserves the "paternalism" offered by the government. When one offers one's life for one's country, we, being the country, owe that one a living wage, decent healthcare, housing, counseling, or whatever.



No greater love, and all that jazz. Maybe that's paternalism, but it is the correct forum for that.

Posted by: tcn at May 27, 2013 02:03 PM (VLG62)

99

If Iraq and Afghanistan were debacles, it is because POLITICIANS in general, and the first affirmative action presnit in particular have set the ROE such that the military cannot fight those co flicts like a war. In addition we have a catch and release policy in effect. Unleash the US military and cut off monetary aid to parasites like Kharzai, then come back in a couple of months and we can talk about it. Dumbass.

 

And where is that fucking Troll Hammer!? 

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 27, 2013 02:04 PM (qBtUE)

100 Maybe we need to empower Taranto and endow a scholarship for Conservative/Libertarian journalism majors preferably veterans...? Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 05:58 PM (LRFds) I wish something like that could work, but my impression is that conservative types generally prefer different sorts of work. For some reason, careers like journalism and acting seem to have an stronger than normal attraction for left wing types. I'm suspecting their is some sort of natural selection process occurring, the specific characteristic of which I am not certain. Something in those two businesses appeals far more to Liberals than Conservatives.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 27, 2013 02:05 PM (bb5+k)

101 Posted by: 11B40 at May 27, 2013 05:38 PM (hdhfj)


Thank you for your service.

+1

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at May 27, 2013 02:06 PM (ylhEn)

102

And where is that fucking Troll Hammer!?\

 

Busy being creative. Look at occam's posts upthread - they have been subtly altered to reveal his true nature.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 27, 2013 02:06 PM (LZkKt)

103 99 TCN, The problem starts hen the soldier conflated the benefits he earns with the baseline people "deserve" for breathing... The benefits creep bothered me....as do the cuts Obama has already made to tricare

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 02:06 PM (LRFds)

104 93 91 Dioegenes Lamp, Maybe we need to empower Taranto and endow a scholarship for Conservative/Libertarian journalism majors preferably veterans...? Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 05:58 PM (LRFds) Intercollegiate studies institute supports conservative student papers, and then gives fellowships and internships to those who want to go in and be journalists. I know several people who have gotten fellowships from them.

Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at May 27, 2013 02:09 PM (lo8Le)

105 Evening y'all. I took a photo of my Marine stepson that I think is quite splendid. I'd share with you, but he is not sure that he wants it made public. The nature of the photo is, how should I say it, a message that some may take the wrong way. Nothing improper ofcourse. Just a little bit on this side of mocking to the CiC. It takes a recent event and couples it with a long running meme from just before the election. I think it's great, and I'm wondering why no one has thought to do this before me.

Posted by: EC at May 27, 2013 02:09 PM (doBIb)

106 If Kerry had won in 2004 the entire financial meltdown would have been blamed on Democrats and the GOP would be in power today.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at May 27, 2013 02:10 PM (p8RjH)

107
    Great parade today in my 2x4 town.  Had the honor to walk with a WW2 vet that was in a motorized wheel chair.

     Fine, fine man.  Sad that their numbers are dwindling so.

    The Korean vets are leaving now, and I s'pose my generation will join the long procession soon.

 
     The reunion should be a trip, though.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 27, 2013 02:10 PM (SAMxH)

108 107 Hubert Scheissensluper, Hubie you'd be properly mocking "wreckovery" Go play in traffic

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 02:12 PM (LRFds)

109 IMO, a soldier, sailor or marine deserves the "paternalism" offered by the government. When one offers one's life for one's country, we, being the country, owe that one a living wage, decent healthcare, housing, counseling, or whatever. Posted by: tcn at May 27, 2013 06:03 PM (VLG62) I believe the government owes more to those who serve in our defense than to just an average citizen, but the extent of it I am still uncertain. I see much on the abuse side of it. I have several friends who are retired military, and most of their government check goes to support drug and alcohol habits, and they are constantly milking the system and encouraging others to do so as well. (I find it infuriating that they are trying to show others, who don't really deserve it, how to get disability retirement.) Granted, they are not the typical retirees, but they have made me aware that the system is very prone to abuse. They simply don't care how much it costs to go to the Hospital, and they will do so at the slightest inclination.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 27, 2013 02:12 PM (bb5+k)

110 Great to hear Iron GP- And thank YOU for your service.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 27, 2013 02:12 PM (4Mv1T)

111

Maybe we need to empower Taranto and endow a scholarship for Conservative/Libertarian journalism majors preferably veterans...?
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 05:58 PM (LRFds)

 

http://tinyurl.com/al3jc37

Not conservative per se, but a good model to follow. I know a couple of the people organizing it and they tend to be pretty conservative as a rule.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 27, 2013 02:13 PM (LZkKt)

112 EC, can you post it with a blurred face?  We need the inspiration.

Posted by: Infidel [/i] at May 27, 2013 02:13 PM (gqEUi)

113

If Kerry had won in 2004 the entire financial meltdown would have been justly blamed on Democrats, despite the best efforts of the press and the GOP would be in power today.

 

FIFY.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 27, 2013 02:15 PM (LZkKt)

114 You realize, guys, it wasn't just the media. If there hadn't been a certain cumly 'A' list celebrity willing to perform fellatio on the North Vietnamese in return for some 'photo ops' her career would never have soared to the dizzying heights that it did. You're welcome.

Posted by: Hanoi Jane Fonda [/i] at May 27, 2013 02:15 PM (U2UQk)

115

So, you're telling us that John Kerry is a dishonest, greedy, self-aggrandizing douchebag?

 

 

That sir, is a low blow.

Posted by: Dishonest, greedy, self-aggrandizing douchebags at May 27, 2013 02:16 PM (SFs98)

116 EC, can you post it with a blurred face? We need the inspiration. I thought about that, but it's not my call as this could come back to affect him possibly in a negative way. Lefties would go apeshit, I know that for certain. Anyone slighting their great messiah is always on their shitlist.

Posted by: EC at May 27, 2013 02:16 PM (doBIb)

117 Oh, and probably the recession would have lasted about 6 months had the Republicans won in 2008.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 27, 2013 02:16 PM (LZkKt)

118 Intercollegiate studies institute supports conservative student papers, and then gives fellowships and internships to those who want to go in and be journalists. I know several people who have gotten fellowships from them. Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at May 27, 2013 06:09 PM (lo8Le) I very much like the idea, I just feel caution is in order regarding it's presumed benefits. I *HOPE* it will have an impact, but i'm not going to get my hopes up. Social pressure has a way of forcing people to conform. If everyone around you is a left wing liberal, they tend to start wearing you down, unless of course you are really stubborn asshole like myself.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 27, 2013 02:16 PM (bb5+k)

119

Media: 4000

Us: 0

Posted by: USS Diversity at May 27, 2013 02:17 PM (hC80d)

120 I thought about that, but it's not my call as this could come back to affect him possibly in a negative way. If in doubt, don't do it.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at May 27, 2013 02:18 PM (U2UQk)

121 EC, what is the benefit vs. risk of posting that photo?

As retired military here, I'd strongly advise against it.  While the troops may grumble and complain amongst themselves, it is never a good idea to go public with opinions about the CiC.  Even if the current occupant isn't worthy of cleaning the troops' boots.

Posted by: butch at May 27, 2013 02:18 PM (EV3Uf)

122

Libs seem to be drawn to acting and the media......

 

Most libs have a severe case of " Please look at me "

wanting attention.

 

Maybe they never got attention as children and want to get even with the evil world.

Posted by: seamrog at May 27, 2013 02:18 PM (fVVir)

123 EC, Understood Sir.  I salute him.

Posted by: Infidel [/i] at May 27, 2013 02:18 PM (gqEUi)

124
So the type of people who get careers in the media are mostly gullible, anti-Amercian, left-wing, Liberal, Socialist types who use their platforms to cause damage all out of proportion to their influence as a single voter?


The Devil you say!

Yeah....I was in Junior High, and was trying to earn some extra credit....so I took one of the offered 'jobs', and volunteered to stuff envelopes, and answer phones for the McGovern campaign. Each day I showed up, I was handed a list of "Important Issues", (If I was doing phone work that day), that conveniently echoed what I saw on the news, and read in the papers.

This was before the advent of the ubiquitous credit/debit card, and my main function was to engage the person on the other end of the line, and eventually get a mailing address, so that financial begging letters could be sent to them. (Being 13.....I made most addresses up). What was fun, on days I stuffed envelopes with those begging letters, was seeing my own made up addresses in my stack of envelopes.

So anyway, the collusion was obvious to me even then. That was about when I started leaning conservative.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 27, 2013 02:18 PM (eyJh9)

125 State of the Union, 2013: Democrats continue to press for taking female accusations of sexual harassment or offense as the only proof needed (including for military court martials), while the nation's most prominent harasser (and someone who would be guilty several times over by the standard above) continues to enjoy Democratic support and speaking spots, such as at the Democratic National Convention back last summer, and in fact he may be back at the White House in 2017, to lecture us once again on proper behavior. In sum, absent action, the center cannot hold.

Posted by: "Franklin" at May 27, 2013 02:19 PM (7cSmf)

126 If in doubt, don't do it. But it's a fucking awesome photo... I'll ask him tonight, if he's ok with it being shared with his face blacked out.

Posted by: EC at May 27, 2013 02:19 PM (doBIb)

127 If Kerry had won in 2004 the entire financial meltdown would have been blamed on Democrats and the GOP would be in power today.

Go further back to AlGore. 

We maybe wouldn't have done the Iraq thing with him, but A-stan would have been almost unavoidable...and whatever was spent on Iraq would have been pissed away three-fold domestically, AND been added to by an ongoing deployment sitting on Saddam.

In reality, this depression was baked into the cake over a half century ago due to incorrect politial assumptions about the US continuing to enjoy a dominant post WWII advantage.

Posted by: @PurpAv[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 27, 2013 02:20 PM (/gHaE)

128 EC, don't do it - benefit not worth risk.

Posted by: butch at May 27, 2013 02:21 PM (EV3Uf)

129 I'll ask him tonight, if he's ok with it being shared with his face blacked out. Just remember, posting something on the internet is not that much different then giving out your phone number. It's just a different number. It can still be traced back to you.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at May 27, 2013 02:21 PM (U2UQk)

130

EC...don't do it.

You've mentioned before, where he is...as well as other details that would make it too easy to ID him.

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 27, 2013 02:22 PM (L35yH)

131 Posted by: irongrampa at May 27, 2013 06:10 PM (SAMxH) I've known many WWII vets over the years. One of them just passed a couple of Weeks ago. Captain Denny told me he was on the team tasked with hunting the German Atomic Bomb effort after the war. He said he personally transported (And by that I mean they were his prisoners) German Scientists from Germany into US Army custody. He was also in Iran when the Shit hit the Fan in 1979. He Disliked Carter intently. He said that son of a bitch nearly got him killed there. You'll be missed Captain Denny.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 27, 2013 02:22 PM (bb5+k)

132 As retired military here, I'd strongly advise against it. While the troops may grumble and complain amongst themselves, it is never a good idea to go public with opinions about the CiC. Yes, that is why I hesitate to share it. Maybe it would ok if I simply described the photo.

Posted by: EC at May 27, 2013 02:22 PM (doBIb)

133 "...one helluva marksman" - ? Someone here knows and or can look up better than me. Didn't he qualify as "marksman" in the military? When I was in the army, that was the lowest you could actually qualify as. I think a "grade" on the middle and the highest was expert. Put me some knowledge long timers.

Posted by: teej at May 27, 2013 02:23 PM (cWpCn)

134 Marksman, Sharpshooter, then Expert.

Posted by: EC at May 27, 2013 02:24 PM (doBIb)

135 >>> it is never a good idea to go public with opinions about the CiC Agreed. TFG is in his chain of command. And a vindictive little prick. Leave the mockery to us civilians.

Posted by: fluffy at May 27, 2013 02:26 PM (z9HTb)

136 Maybe they never got attention as children and want to get even with the evil world. Posted by: seamrog at May 27, 2013 06:18 PM (fVVir) I can see where living in a fantasy land would engender a desire to be an Actor. Living vicariously through fake people gives their lives a sort of pseudo meaning. Likewise, I think people get into journalism with the expressed intent of "changing the world" to make it better, in their opinion. They don't really understand that their "improvements" don't work. They are simply naive as to how reality functions, which when you think about it, is the most major failing of communism. It simply doesn't conform to human norms.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 27, 2013 02:27 PM (bb5+k)

137 "Everyone in MA knew that if you needed to get something done, you called Ted Kennedy's office instead of Kerry's."

Damn, when you're being unfavorably compared to Ted Kennedy....

Posted by: Filly at May 27, 2013 02:27 PM (6/Qsn)

138 EC Maybe just a verbal description of the pic would be ok?

Posted by: real joe at May 27, 2013 02:27 PM (PD2ad)

139 134 Teej, Yes he "barely qualified" the reality is a military trained "barely qualified" marksman is when tuned up a better shot than most civillian LE. Contrary to popular belief his "amazing feat of marksmanship" was diificult not impssible"...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 02:28 PM (LRFds)

140 139 EC Maybe just a verbal description of the pic would be ok? I think that's ok, right? After all, I'm describing something no one has seen except for two people.

Posted by: EC at May 27, 2013 02:28 PM (doBIb)

141

Sorry I asked.  No need.  I have an imagination.

Posted by: Infidel [/i] at May 27, 2013 02:28 PM (gqEUi)

142 "Everyone in MA knew that if you needed to get something done, you called Ted Kennedy's office instead of Kerry's."

Then why did they keep re-electing the pompous, arrogant, self-serving douchebag?  The Mass GOP must be way more incompetent than I thought.

Posted by: butch at May 27, 2013 02:29 PM (EV3Uf)

143 So anyway, the collusion was obvious to me even then. That was about when I started leaning conservative. Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 27, 2013 06:18 PM (eyJh9) For me, it was when I got my first paycheck. They told me what my hourly wage was, but when I got my check, it was quite a bit shorter than I had calculated. When I asked what happen to the rest of my money? They told me "The Government took it." Right then I knew those bastards were against me.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 27, 2013 02:30 PM (bb5+k)

144 I'll ask him tonight, if he's ok with it being shared with his face blacked out. Posted by: EC at May 27, 2013 06:19 PM (doBIb) And any other identifying characteristics such as name tag or insignia, etc.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 27, 2013 02:31 PM (bb5+k)

145 Met a guy last week involved in an oil-related business which is booming.  He could hire many more hands and expand enormously, but purposely keeps his company under 50 due to Obamacare and tax hits.

Government control and economics, how does it work?

I keep thinking about the documentary I just saw about East Berlin and what a shithole it was. Right there in living color, side by side, was an illustration of the fact that capitalism works and socialism/communism does not.  IT'S WITHIN LIVING MEMORY.  And yet, the further push for more government control.

I know that politics is religion for liberals, but I mean really.  Basic facts. Ragestroke.


Posted by: Filly at May 27, 2013 02:31 PM (6/Qsn)

146 Put me some knowledge long timers. I was more or less referring to his marksmanship from a window at the Texas School Book Depository after returning from the USSR. Funny, how the New York Times thought Lee Harvey Oswald going to the USSR was news, his return... not so much.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at May 27, 2013 02:31 PM (U2UQk)

147 The African Union (AU) has accused the International Criminal Court (ICC) of "hunting" Africans because of their race.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 27, 2013 02:32 PM (e8kgV)

148 Greetings compatriots, I had to come over here and express my utter frustration with those in academia filling young heads "full of mush."  As some of you know, I'm nearing (finally) the end of the road in getting my BS (PolySci with an American Politics concentration), which I'm doing online through Troy University (they're very veteran friendly).  I had originally registered for "State and Local Politics", but upon receiving the the syllabus and book list, I promptly dropped the class; one of the required books is "Come Hell or High Water: The Color of Disaster".  The first chapter is titled along the lines of "Why Bush Hates Black People".  The professor's resume includes the fact that her doctoral thesis was on the "injustice" of Voter ID requirements.

So late-registered for another class: Intergovernmental Relations.  Well, HOLY SHIT, if this class isn't taught by another raving marxist, who served on the campaign staff of Minnesota Governor Dayton.  Also, he taught at UCLA and has a website.  Get a load of the books list from his "Political Advocacy" course there: http://preview.tinyurl.com/plkbxyz

Gahhhh!!!!!

Posted by: Country Singer at May 27, 2013 02:35 PM (U22Yw)

149 EC, better to err on the side of caution.  Loose photos sink careers or something.

Looking at the sidebar article on Capt Cromwell, Stanley Johnston who authored Queen of the Flat-tops let slip something that could have endangered America's war fighting capability.  Just prior to the Battle of Midway and after the Battle of the Coral Sea he penned that a naval officer clued him on the US Navy having the dope on Japanese intentions.

Naturally there was a concern that if the Japanese read those words they would re-examine and change JN-25 to something that would be hard to crack.  Besides changing the key to JN-25 that is. 

Just prior to Midway, after Japanese radio traffic had already given away to Hypo a fair picture of Japanese plans and forces, the key to JN-25 was changed.  So for a few weeks it was very tense in Hawaii until they got enough traffic in the new key to start cracking it.

Japan throughout the war showed a serious lack of concern about their codes being secure.  Even after the pinpoint intercept of Admiral Yamamoto on April 18th, 1943 Japan did not think their codes were compromised.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 27, 2013 02:35 PM (w5kAo)

150 @130- "Just remember, posting on the internet..." Great advice!! Something that should be remembered by all of us.

Posted by: teej at May 27, 2013 02:36 PM (cWpCn)

151 You might want to ix-nay on that oto-phay, EC. Federal law enforcement officials are investigating a former Marine and several active-duty Marines after they allegedly posted threatening and lewd messages on social media sites that targeted President Obama and a California congresswoman, according to a government official informed of the investigations. More at link in nic.

Posted by: Dinah Lord at May 27, 2013 02:36 PM (46UXb)

152 In reality, this depression was baked into the cake over a half century ago due to incorrect politial assumptions about the US continuing to enjoy a dominant post WWII advantage. Posted by: @PurpAv at May 27, 2013 06:20 PM (/gHaE) I make a habit of looking at history through the view of Democrat Presidents committing terrible Fiascoes, and the country's efforts to climb out of messes they created. Name a Democrat President from Wilson Onward, and I can tell you exactly how they seriously fucked up the world. Take Jimmy Carter, for example. Had he supported the Shah of Iran instead of helping to bring him down, Saddam would never have become such a problem. The Iran/Iraq war would never have happened, (1 Million people would still be alive) and there would likely never have been either an Al Qaeda or a problem with Iraq. Jimmy Carter really fucked things up, but most people don't bother looking at what would likely have happened had Carter never been President.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 27, 2013 02:37 PM (bb5+k)

153 Up to episode 5 of the first watching of Arrested Dev. I give it a 3/5.

Posted by: That Guy at May 27, 2013 02:37 PM (iPq1D)

154 Posted by: Country Singer at May 27, 2013 06:35 PM (U22Yw)

Actually that sounds like a fairly interesting class.  How to subvert the liberal machine using their own tactics against them.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2013 02:39 PM (BBWjt)

155

Japan throughout the war showed a serious lack of concern about their codes being secure. Even after the pinpoint intercept of Admiral Yamamoto on April 18th, 1943 Japan did not think their codes were compromised.

 

I believe that they thought that Japanese was too difficult for the gaijin to ever learn - I recall reading about incidents where they didn't even  bother to destroy papers when they abandoned a headquarters.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 27, 2013 02:40 PM (LZkKt)

156 Country Singer. You are a guerrilla operating behind enemy lines.  Act accordingly.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 27, 2013 02:41 PM (w5kAo)

157 Anna, that is how I look at it.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2013 02:41 PM (BBWjt)

158 158 Anna Puma, Indeed I rebought the old FM on irreuglar ops

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 02:42 PM (LRFds)

159 Then why did they keep re-electing the pompous, arrogant, self-serving douchebag? The Mass GOP must be way more incompetent than I thought. Posted by: butch at May 27, 2013 06:29 PM (EV3Uf) I think the problem is the Massachusettsians. I read a really good article some time back about how the social structure worked in Early Massachusetts, and they pretty much never left the Puritan dogma. They just changed masters. They were intolerant of deviation from orthodoxy back when they were burning witches, and they have always looked to the Central Authority as the source of their guidance. Their dominant religion was apparently very regimented and authoritarian, so they never really left it. They just switched the source of their love and devotion to government.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 27, 2013 02:42 PM (bb5+k)

160

146...I keep thinking about the documentary I just saw about East Berlin and what a shithole it was. Right there in living color, side by side, was an illustration of the fact that capitalism works and socialism/communism does not. IT'S WITHIN LIVING MEMORY. And yet, the further push for more government control.

 

--------

 

Also...North Korea and Cuba both serve as examples of the wonderfulness of socialism/communism.

 

We need look no further than the decaying cities in our own country, to see the effects of socialism.

 

And yet, the Dems who have brought us this decay...are calling for more of the very same policies that caused it.

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 27, 2013 02:43 PM (L35yH)

161

 Ragestroke

 

Hi AtC.  How was your weekend?

 

 

lol

 

I'm out. Be good and try not to trash the place.

Posted by: Infidel [/i] at May 27, 2013 02:43 PM (gqEUi)

162 EC I would strongly advise you NOT to publish any pictures. NONE.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 27, 2013 02:43 PM (B2fm1)

163 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 27, 2013 06:41 PM (w5kAo)

Not in my nature, lol.  In the Student Intro discussion thread, I was basically waving around a giant Gadsden flag.

Posted by: Country Singer at May 27, 2013 02:45 PM (U22Yw)

164 EC, I'll second COJ. I've seen pictures of your stepson, and I thank him for his willingness to serve. Please don't post any pics that could cause trouble.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at May 27, 2013 02:46 PM (uL0u2)

165 Gray Fox, the militaristic Japanese were raised to think as Sons of Heaven none on Earth were their equals.  Eight Corners of the World under One Roof.  They were racists of the worse sort.

Which begs the question if the Mussolini Italians, portrayed as a reborn Imperial Rome, and Hitler's Aryan Supermen along the Japanese had defeated the Allies; how long would such an alliance of bigots last?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 27, 2013 02:47 PM (w5kAo)

166 It should be interesting after Obama finally sets down his golf clubs and climbs on board Chopper One and the FOI (freedom of information) requests finally begin to be processed and the lawsuits begin. Should be a field day for lawyers. For over-reaching liberals, their worst nightmare. Pound me in the @ss prison and bankruptcy, such a sweet combination for them.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at May 27, 2013 02:48 PM (U2UQk)

167 Also...North Korea and Cuba both serve as examples of the wonderfulness of socialism/communism. We need look no further than the decaying cities in our own country, to see the effects of socialism. And yet, the Dems who have brought us this decay...are calling for more of the very same policies that caused it. Posted by: wheatie at May 27, 2013 06:43 PM (L35yH) Do you know how they answer these points? They say "it's because the capitalists are unfairly keeping them down. Make everybody communist and it will work!" They really think the problem is one of scale.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 27, 2013 02:48 PM (bb5+k)

168 >>>Great advice!! Something that should be remembered by all of us. This is probably common knowledge here, but if you Bing someone's hash here, every post comes up in search results.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 27, 2013 02:48 PM (4Mv1T)

169 The reason why they can still peddle socialism in their minds is simple, this time they know they are the right people to pull it off.

There lurks insanity.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 27, 2013 02:49 PM (w5kAo)

170 Sharpshooter. That's it thanks EC. Expert was easier for me to remember...after 40 years...for some reason. Wish I still had those eyes. Thanks sven. You read stories but, is LE's marksmanship, NY cops notwithstanding, really that bad? I mean, I'd bet you could have missed half the targets on an early 70's record fire range and still qualify at marksman. Hell, I only shot 86-100 at Ft. Ord. Ended up being the highest score out of 6 basic training companies on graduation day.

Posted by: teej at May 27, 2013 02:49 PM (ma+gB)

171 FYI- Taking Chance just starting again on HBO. Never seen it but if the 'rons are to believed it is well worth watching.

Posted by: RWC at May 27, 2013 02:50 PM (Wl/Ht)

172 "We will hang the last Capitalist with the rope he sells us."  - VI Lenin.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 27, 2013 02:51 PM (w5kAo)

173 It's the WNBA opening weekend. I don't care.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at May 27, 2013 02:51 PM (uL0u2)

174 Actor Steve Forrest dead at 87 General Sline: When we commissioned the Schmectel Corporation to research this precise event sequence scenario, it was determined that the continual stockpiling and development of our nuclear arsenal was becoming self-defeating. A weapon unused is a useless weapon.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 27, 2013 02:52 PM (e8kgV)

175 Posted by: RWC at May 27, 2013 06:50 PM (Wl/Ht)

Have some tissues handy, it's going to get awfully dusty in the room.

Posted by: Country Singer at May 27, 2013 02:52 PM (U22Yw)

176

AP, to answer you question with a question....about as long as the longest reigning Shogun?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 27, 2013 02:52 PM (B2fm1)

177 >>>Wish I still had those eyes. Sounds like we're about the same age. My eyes have been failing for 15 years. Got 'em both fixed in the past 90 days. And what am I going to do? Shooting match! Heck, I can see again!

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 27, 2013 02:53 PM (4Mv1T)

178 175 I lurk, The Triple Cron safely over 'tis time for the Mares to engage in off season play

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 02:53 PM (LRFds)

179 Posted by: Country Singer at May 27, 2013 06:52 PM (U22Yw) So i've heard. DVRing it in case I have to take a break.

Posted by: RWC at May 27, 2013 02:55 PM (Wl/Ht)

180 COJ, about as long as an Italian government.

The Germans and Italians were both in Jugoslavia in WWII.  The Germans trying to keep a lid on the Serbs while the Italians had the Dalmatian coast and the Croats.  And the Italians were supporting one band of partisans against the pro-German Serbs.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 27, 2013 02:55 PM (w5kAo)

181 Arrested dev e.5 funny at the end

Posted by: That Guy at May 27, 2013 02:56 PM (iPq1D)

182 The Triple Cron safely over 'tis time for the Mares to engage in off season play Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 06:53 PM (LRFds) Several years ago, before the Washington Capitals hockey team really took off, in March (just before the playoffs) there was a flyer stuck into every seat that promised if you purchased a Capitals' playoff ticket you would get a Mystics season ticket included at no extra charge.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at May 27, 2013 02:57 PM (uL0u2)

183 That particular ability wasn't common knowledge for me TR. Thanks. I have always figured though that "they/them" had their ways of tracing your IP. At my age and point of view though, I couldn't give a rat's backside.

Posted by: teej/the horde's canary in the mine at May 27, 2013 02:59 PM (tWrwm)

184 Did anyone else see the headline at Drudge, that said the US was threatening Britain over leaving the EU?It was an article that said the Obama Admin was working on something called the TTIP. This agreement would account for 1/3 of the global economy and open the US to EU regulations The story isn't on Drudge anymore but it was a Guardian article

Posted by: Ben Had at May 27, 2013 03:01 PM (6QhWw)

185 >>>At my age and point of view though, I couldn't give a rat's backside. I'd like to think that much of what we say here is somewhat benign by comparison to what others say elsewhere on the net with more to prove, and less between the ears to prove it.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 27, 2013 03:02 PM (4Mv1T)

186 Posted by: Ben Had at May 27, 2013 07:01 PM (6QhWw)

sounds tinfoil-hattish

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2013 03:02 PM (BBWjt)

187 That particular ability wasn't common knowledge for me TR. Thanks.
I have always figured though that "they/them" had their ways of tracing your IP.
At my age and point of view though, I couldn't give a rat's backside.

Posted by: teej/the horde's canary in the mine at May 27, 2013 06:59 PM (tWrwm)

 

 

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Yeah, me  too.  I figure the camps will be fun for the oldsters.  Well, until we get sick.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 03:02 PM (m0NNN)

188 "Got em both fixed..." Congrats TR!! That's great!! Knock em dead, er, so to speak, at the range.

Posted by: teej/the horde's canary in the mine at May 27, 2013 03:03 PM (xDlyw)

189 Yes, that is why I hesitate to share it. Maybe it would ok if I simply described the photo. Posted by: EC at May 27, 2013 06:22 PM (doBIb) EC I wouldn't even do that. We'll all just imagine something really funny.

Posted by: elizabethe at May 27, 2013 03:04 PM (fdrxo)

190 "We will hang the last Capitalist with the rope he sells us." - VI Lenin. I don't doubt your quote, but I remember it as, 'the definition of a capitalist is someone who would sell you the rope that you hang him with'. Good advice when confronted by police for a crime you did not commit. Don't provide them with the rope.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at May 27, 2013 03:04 PM (U2UQk)

191 Yeah, me too. I figure the camps will be fun for the oldsters. Well, until we get sick.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 07:02 PM (m0NNN)


just as long as the youngsters get the top bunks


oh, and your extra gruel rations, since you won't be needing them

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2013 03:04 PM (BBWjt)

192

Did anyone else see the headline at Drudge, that said the US was threatening Britain over leaving the EU?It was an article that said the Obama Admin wasworking on something called the TTIP. This agreement would account for 1/3 of the global economy and open the US to EU regulations The story isn't on Drudge anymore but it was a Guardian article

 

I think this is the guardian article:

http://tinyurl.com/omxa2hl

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 27, 2013 03:06 PM (LZkKt)

193 Chemjeff,  The article said that the US and the EU were working on this to stem  the rise of China and Indian markets. I am just wondering if anyone else has heard anything about this?

Posted by: Ben Had at May 27, 2013 03:07 PM (6QhWw)

194 Yes, that is why I hesitate to share it.

Maybe it would ok if I simply described the photo.
Posted by: EC at May 27, 2013 06:22 PM (doBIb)

EC I wouldn't even do that. We'll all just imagine something really funny.

Posted by: elizabethe at May 27, 2013 07:04 PM (fdrxo)

 

 

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Yeah.  Listen to the people who tell you not to divulge anything.  You may have divulged too much already.  We don't live in a country with free speech anymore  and the military is even moreso.  They'd probably come for you too. 

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 03:08 PM (m0NNN)

195 I have always figured though that "they/them" had their ways of tracing your IP. I used to run a blog. It dealt with issues that pissed off the islamists, so they'd issue threats. As 'owner' of the blog, you got all the IP information, so I'd 'run' the IP address through a look up engine and find their approximate location. As long as it was on the other side of the planet I felt safe. Then I began to notice that the locations were a lot closer to me, in like some swamp near Washington, DC. At that point personal safety became more important to me.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at May 27, 2013 03:08 PM (U2UQk)

196 heh. Lindsey Graham ‏@GrahamBlog 48s Best wishes to @SenJohnMcCain in Syria today. If he doesn't make it back calling dibs on his office

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 27, 2013 03:09 PM (piMMO)

197

I think this is the guardian article:
http://tinyurl.com/omxa2hl

 

Okay, let's drill for our own resources!  Problem solved.

Posted by: Infidel [/i] at May 27, 2013 03:09 PM (gqEUi)

198 Chemjeff, The article said that the US and the EU were working on this to stem the rise of China and Indian markets. I am just wondering if anyone else has heard anything about this?

Posted by: Ben Had at May 27, 2013 07:07 PM (6QhWw)

 

 

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Have you ever heard the expression, "let it burn"?    It's starting to burn.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 03:09 PM (m0NNN)

199 >>>just as long as the youngsters get the top bunks oh, and your extra gruel rations, since you won't be needing them Funny, at a local shooter's forum I have a photo of an old Scout Camporee embroidered patch from 1969 as my avatar. It was a special weekend camping trip called a "Survival-O-Ree". Flint and steel, no matches, no utensils other than a knife, you get it. Has a picture of Fred Flintstone cooking a T-Bone over a fire. Very appropriate for where we're headed, me thinks.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 27, 2013 03:10 PM (4Mv1T)

200 The ISI also publishes books. "The Closing of the Muslim Mind" and "Did Muhammad Exist?" are both ISI products.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 27, 2013 03:10 PM (QTHTd)

201 Camps Soona? Doubt if I'll be in one of those. Too old to get any decent amount of work out of by their standards and type of work they'll want. Definitely beyond hope as far as re-education. Will end up as part of the "pushin' up daisies" brigade if that kind of crap comes down.

Posted by: teej/the horde's canary in the mine at May 27, 2013 03:11 PM (QbKVX)

202

Celebrating my 70th today. My next goal is 70 yrs and 1 week. It's going to be a struggle with this administration.

 

 

Posted by: Ronster at May 27, 2013 03:15 PM (2SFSP)

203 Happy birthday Ronster!  wow

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2013 03:16 PM (BBWjt)

204 Happy Birthday!

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 27, 2013 03:17 PM (LZkKt)

205 Happy Birthday Ronster. Who knew so many of the Horde were old far... er... seasoned citizens.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at May 27, 2013 03:17 PM (4Mv1T)

206 Happy birthday Ronster, and many more!

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at May 27, 2013 03:18 PM (uL0u2)

207 Happy 70th Ronster. That's a good goal to have

Posted by: RWC at May 27, 2013 03:18 PM (Wl/Ht)

208 Doubt if I'll be in one of those. Too old to get any decent amount of work out of by their standards and type of work they'll want. Definitely beyond hope as far as re-education.
Will end up as part of the "pushin' up daisies" brigade if that kind of crap comes down.

Posted by: teej/the horde's canary in the mine at May 27, 2013 07:11 PM (QbKVX)

 

 

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It'll be just camps  in the beginning.  I could still mow the grass along side the people's highways.  Or wash dishes  at the National  Political  Police headquarters.

 

I will survive........for awhile, at least.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 03:19 PM (m0NNN)

209

Soona, yes the burning is coming. In addition to this there was also another report- that not only is our support for the UN in the budget but State,USDA, EPA and several more I can't recall at the moment all had money allocated to the UN in their budgets. The total was reproted to 7.6 Billion to the UN.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 27, 2013 03:20 PM (6QhWw)

210 @197 - Regular Moron That's one of the reasons I admire the gal so much who did the video with that book of evil, using bacon for bookmarks, and tearing out and burning pages. Ann Barnhardt? Or was that the gal who put chucky schumer in his place testifying about being at Luby's? Too many names. Both gutsy gals though.

Posted by: teej/the horde's canary in the mine at May 27, 2013 03:21 PM (ma+gB)

211 Celebrating my 70th today. My next goal is 70 yrs and 1 week. It's going to be a struggle with this administration.

Posted by: Ronster at May 27, 2013 07:15 PM (2SFSP)

 

 

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Shit.  You've lasted this long without keeling over.  I imagine you still got enough stuff to make it difficult for those marxists. 

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 03:22 PM (m0NNN)

212

Screw the MFM. I don't believe anything I read or hear and only half of what I see.

 

Thanks for the Bday wishes. Think I'll go out to the deck and smoke a cigar.

Posted by: Ronster at May 27, 2013 03:23 PM (2SFSP)

213 Happy birthday Ronster. Dang, I thought Vic was the only one here older than me.

Posted by: teej/the horde's canary in the mine at May 27, 2013 03:24 PM (ma+gB)

214 Happy Birthday Ronster!

Posted by: elizabethe at May 27, 2013 03:25 PM (fdrxo)

215 Happy birthday Ronster. Dang, I thought Vic was the only one here older than me.

Posted by: teej/the horde's canary in the mine at May 27, 2013 07:24 PM (ma+gB)

 

 

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How old are you?

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 03:25 PM (m0NNN)

216 Ace should cease and desist this blog until Dick Durbin figures out whether he has a right to free speech. Or something,

Posted by: Craig Poe at May 27, 2013 03:26 PM (BVkEs)

217 Posted by: teej/the horde's canary in the mine at May 27, 2013 07:21 PM (ma+gB) Luby's survivor was Suzanne Gratia Hupp. And she kicked so much ass in the House/Senate during testimony. “The Second Amendment is not about duck hunting, and I know I’m not going to make very many friends saying this, but it’s about our right, all of our right to be able to protect ourselves from all of you guys up there.” -video is so much better

Posted by: RWC at May 27, 2013 03:27 PM (Wl/Ht)

218

"Two Wars, One P.O.W."  Excellent read. 

http://bit.ly/ZpltW0

Posted by: RushBabe at May 27, 2013 03:28 PM (qkZxk)

219 170 >>>Great advice!!
Something that should be remembered by all of us.

This is probably common knowledge here, but if you Bing someone's hash here, every post comes up in search results.

Whoa, I can track all my alcoholism!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 27, 2013 03:28 PM (xjpRj)

220 happy bday anoter seven decade 'ron

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 03:29 PM (LRFds)

221 212 @197 - Regular Moron That's one of the reasons I admire the gal so much who did the video with that book of evil, using bacon for bookmarks, and tearing out and burning pages. Ann Barnhardt? Or was that the gal who put chucky schumer in his place testifying about being at Luby's? Too many names. Both gutsy gals though. Posted by: teej/the horde's canary in the mine at May 27, 2013 07:21 PM (ma+gB) Yep, the bacon lady is Barnhardt. The lady who smacked Shumer lost her parents at Luby's. Her name is Dr. Susanna Gratia Hupp.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 27, 2013 03:29 PM (Su0W2)

222 How old am I? Hmmm. Old for a tree,,, but young for a mountain. Let's just say The Big Guy asked me what we should call this stuff. I replied "dirt". Then some uppity engineer chimed in "That's not dirt, it's soil".

Posted by: teej/the horde's canary in the mine at May 27, 2013 03:29 PM (xDlyw)

223 Hmmm. Old for a tree,,, but young for a mountain.
Let's just say The Big Guy asked me what we should call this stuff. I replied "dirt".
Then some uppity engineer chimed in "That's not dirt, it's soil".

Posted by: teej/the horde's canary in the mine at May 27, 2013 07:29 PM (xDlyw)

 

 

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You are old.  BUT it isn't soil  anymore.  It's Gaia's mantal.  Get with the times!

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 03:32 PM (m0NNN)

224 “The Second Amendment is not about duck hunting, and I know I’m not going to make very many friends saying this, but it’s about our right, all of our right to be able to protect ourselves from all of you guys up there.” -video is so much better Posted by: RWC at May 27, 2013 07:27 PM (Wl/Ht) It is! Shumer is looking at her like, "come on up to my office so I can show you my etchings" and she's looking at him like "keep talking while I reload."

Posted by: baldilocks at May 27, 2013 03:35 PM (Su0W2)

225 Well shucks everybody knew that Gigolo Jean Fraud Kerry didn't have enough smarts to operate a franchise cookie business--but now you tell me he's a douchebag as well?  Goldang!  Who woulda thunk it?

Posted by: Comanche Voter at May 27, 2013 03:35 PM (oe1aw)

226 I'm watching a MASH rerun (with Trapper John). They relied heavily on the laugh track, but it wasn't the same after Trapper left.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at May 27, 2013 03:35 PM (uL0u2)

227

IMO, a soldier, sailor or marine deserves the "paternalism" offered by the government. When one offers one's life for one's country, we, being the country, owe that one a living wage, decent healthcare, housing, counseling, or whatever.

 



No greater love, and all that jazz. Maybe that's paternalism, but it is the correct forum for that.

 

 

Posted by: tcn

 

I am not mocking what the country owes veterans.  What disturbs me is the pattern of voting as "retired" servicemen and women and how they view the relationship between citizen and government.  I have no prescription for that, but along the same lines,  I (and others) are very concerned about the extent of government employees and their union membership  (in AFSCME or SEIU) which are both very political (read "Democrat") organizations.

 

And there are plenty of "double  - dippers", meaning retired military drawing a nice pension (Which they earned) and now working for the Government as civilians, earning yet a second pension  (I have no pension, by the way).  This all can be thought of as the "iron rice bowl".  I have no prescription how to address it, but it is costing us all a lot of money.

 

Paternalism has its place in the military, as servicemen and women voluntarily give up some of their civil rights and Constitutional priviledges   (which civilians all assume) to serve.  It is always the responsibility of  Command to look out for the welfare of the enlisted man or junior officer.  But out of the service, they are once again regular citizens.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense at.... at May 27, 2013 03:36 PM (I2uSp)

228 Thanks RWC and baldilocks!! I'll never know how you folks can keep so much info straight. And RWC, I've got that video. I get so choked up when I watch it. And I mean choked up. Breathing erratic. Eyes tearing up. And then she hits em with that line. And I'm choked up with pride at the courage of a fellow American. May God bless her always.

Posted by: teej/the horde's canary in the mine at May 27, 2013 03:37 PM (M7Cfv)

229 Posted by: baldilocks at May 27, 2013 07:35 PM (Su0W2) I loved when she accentuated the 'we' while waving to those behind her and then pointing to the congresscritters while sating 'protection from you.'

Posted by: RWC at May 27, 2013 03:37 PM (Wl/Ht)

230 Whoa, I can track all my alcoholism! Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 27, 2013 07:28 PM (xjpRj) lol, me too! ha ha, ho ha, uh.... maybe not funny.

Posted by: elizabethe at May 27, 2013 03:37 PM (fdrxo)

231 >IMO, a soldier, sailor or marine deserves the "paternalism" offered by the government. "To care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan" -Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: luih';oku at May 27, 2013 03:38 PM (8sCoq)

232

Three score and ten.  That was what the  Good Book promised us, I think.

 

Many happy returns, Ronster.  And hope you have many more.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense at.... at May 27, 2013 03:40 PM (I2uSp)

233 Ugh, automated patching notification.  Nvidia driver.  Only 175MB.  Yeah only.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 27, 2013 03:41 PM (w5kAo)

234 Sorry Soona. Actually I'm 58. I know there are a few others here older than me. Of course, then there are the children like chemjeff, BCochran and sven...

Posted by: teej/the horde's canary in the mine at May 27, 2013 03:41 PM (3R0Zs)

235 new thread.

Posted by: elizabethe at May 27, 2013 03:43 PM (fdrxo)

236 Three score and ten. That was what the Good Book promised us, I think.

Many happy returns, Ronster. And hope you have many more.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense at.... at May 27, 2013 07:40 PM (I2uSp)

 

 

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Ah, man.  That means I only got a few short years left.  I hope I get laid again  before then.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 03:46 PM (m0NNN)

237 Sorry Soona. Actually I'm 58. I know there are a few others here older than me.
Of course, then there are the children like chemjeff, BCochran and sven...

Posted by: teej/the horde's canary in the mine at May 27, 2013 07:41 PM (3R0Zs)

 

 

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I know they're young.  It's why the 'ettes are all over them.  Poor bastids.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 03:48 PM (m0NNN)

238 the enemy that we fought in Vietnam were NOT idiots. Every mortar crew had back up When the NVA came south is was Victory or Death. When Americans went over it was 365 and out. Very very few went for a second tour.

Posted by: occam at May 27, 2013 03:49 PM (DAHhf)

239 I loved when she accentuated the 'we' while waving to those behind her and then pointing to the congresscritters while sating 'protection from you.' Posted by: RWC at May 27, 2013 07:37 PM (Wl/Ht) Just looked at it again and it is still awesome. I wish the camera would have panned to their faces after she said it.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 27, 2013 03:50 PM (Su0W2)

240 Two things I despise:

1. People who never served who sneer at those who did.

2. People who evaded service who are gung-ho to send others to war.

Posted by: Lucky Pierre at May 27, 2013 03:51 PM (5fSr7)

241 >>>>>Viet Cong Minister of Justice Truong Nhu Tang later said that none of the Viet Cong's five divisions retained even half of their forces after the Tet Offensive, while U.S forces suffered no militarily significant losses.....>>>>>
.
In 1970 the RF (Vietnamese Regular Forces) Company I advised captured 2/3 of a VC  artillery battalion, both of them.

Posted by: Javems at May 27, 2013 03:54 PM (c8xU9)

242 Now that's the correct way to deal with a troll.

Posted by: Buzzion at May 27, 2013 03:58 PM (SnH2N)

243   But it's a fucking awesome photo...  I'll ask him tonight, if he's ok with it being shared with his face blacked out. 

Posted by: EC at May 27, 2013 06:19 PM (doBIb)


Late to the thread and all, but also be aware that there's hidden data embedded into any digital photo; just blacking out the face may not be enough to really anonymize it.  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at May 27, 2013 03:59 PM (A4irB)

244 God loves his country

Posted by: What at May 27, 2013 04:06 PM (W1zVU)

245 240 occtard,

yeah?  You're as always full of shit most NCOs had multiple tours in combat arms units.  fuck do your shoulders ever get tired from carrying commie water?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 27, 2013 04:07 PM (LRFds)

246 to the thread and all, but also be aware that there's hidden data embedded into any digital photo; just blacking out the face may not be enough to really anonymize it. Posted by: ConservativeMonster at May 27, 2013 07:59 PM (A4irB) If EC is set on doing he can print it out, go to a 3rd party to scan it back to digital

Posted by: RWC at May 27, 2013 04:08 PM (Wl/Ht)

247 coke

Posted by: What at May 27, 2013 04:15 PM (W1zVU)

248

I took a photo of my Marine stepson that I think is quite splendid. I'd share with you, but he is not sure that he wants it made public. The nature of the photo is, how should I say it, a message that some may take the wrong way. Nothing improper ofcourse. Just a little bit on this side of mocking to the CiC. It takes a recent event and couples it with a long running meme from just before the election. I think it's great, and I'm wondering why no one has thought to do this before me.

Chiming in here with the others, EC....don't do it. I've got two boys in the military, and I don't post pictures of them...ever. (I wish I could convince Mrs. Wicket not to do this...but...Mom is very proud of her boys, and it's near impossible to convince her not to show off the splendid examples of young men she raised to adulthood). Even an innocent picture can close doors of opportunity to your son.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 27, 2013 04:16 PM (eyJh9)

249 Oh, there are certainly ways to work around it.   Just be aware that drawing a black bar may not be enough work.  

Digital camera photos carry meta data that can be traced to the camera and other photos taken with the same camera.   Smartphone photos may even embed GPS coordinates.   Either will include time/date taken, so the main idea is that there's a lot more traceable information in that photo than just the person's face.   

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at May 27, 2013 04:17 PM (A4irB)

250 that story is sooo bad. A Captain leaves his artillery battery and is not rrebuked for doing so. The mortar crew has no spotters or security. And to top it all Westmoreland tells this story. A platoon marches out but no enemy sees them It bogles the mind what some will willingly believe as reality, Who the hell was Col Swett ?? Another 1 tourer ?

Posted by: occam at May 27, 2013 04:36 PM (DAHhf)

251 that story is sooo bad. A Captain leaves his artillery battery and is not rrebuked for doing so. The mortar crew has no spotters or security. And to top it all Westmoreland tells this story.
A platoon marches out but no enemy sees them
It bogles the mind what some will willingly believe as reality,
Who the hell was Col Swett ?? Another 1 tourer ?

Posted by: occam at May 27, 2013 08:36 PM (DAHhf)

 

 

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You sound like you've been educated in our public school system.  Can you even point out Vietnam on a world map?

 

You know nothing of that war.

Posted by: Soona at May 27, 2013 04:44 PM (m0NNN)

252 Just watched a great documentary about the Ambulance Corps. with my Dad on PBS. It's almost impossible to believe that ANYONE in Europe could have started that bullshit all over again within living memory! So. I was a bit sad and angry and frustrated in my room KNOWING about WWII... 15 min. later I came back out and said, "Nothing against the Ambulance Service but is THIS what PBS thinks WAR is about? An extended version of M*A*S*H* with Alan Alda?" "I KNEW you were gonna twig to that eventually, Deety. So, do you want to know about the guys who do the shooting?" "Yeah, a bit..." "What do you want to know?" Hmmm... "Not the details, honestly, just an acknowledgement that the shooty guys exist and they are NOT fuckin' pawns or stooges or a wound category." "Do you want to know that some of our guys are killers?" "Yep. That's EXACTLY what I want to know." "Do you want to know HOW they do it?" "Nope! Not exactly. If I wanted to satisfy THAT corner of my curiosity, I imagine I would have joined the Marines, when I had the chance." "You could sign up right NOW! You would be excellent!" "Nah, I can't. That's how OLD YOU are! That window passed for me 5 years ago." "Did YOU do it, Dad?" "Sometimes." "Okay."

Posted by: Deety at May 27, 2013 06:02 PM (IFXnr)

253 I am working up to 65 years old. And I'm surprised sometimes, because I got real close to the edge a bunch of times. I mean, looked straight down and all.

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