October 10, 2013
— Ace John Sexton is Just a Blogger (TM), and not a Real Reporter (TM), and yet somehow he's been able to scoop the rest of the media by simply asking questions of officials and reading documents posted in the public record. (Well, until they were deleted -- but he saved them.)
First of all, for those of you who don't want to read a detailed exposé, here's a visual that gets to the heart of it. This graphic accompanied a September 16, 2013 report -- just two weeks before ObamaCare was supposed to go live.
Spoiler alert: Red is bad.
Then there's the typical Obamanaut response to free inquiry:
A spokesman for the Nevada exchange did not respond to phone requests in time to be included in this story. Thursday morning the documents mentioned above--which have been available online for weeks--were taken down.
The overall article depicts a chaotic, undermanaged and underthought scramble. Pretty much SOP for the Obama Administration, but the trouble is, computer code doesn't have a friendly media to spin for it. It's either logical, and it fits together, and it obeys the rules of mathematics, or it fails.
And so:
The Nevada exchange site has been taken down at least twice--October 3rd and October 8th--to apply software patches to fix various bugs. One site security consultant with extensive experience on major government IT projects, but who asked to remain anonymous, summed it up this way, "They are building the airplane the same time they are flying it."
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The one green item is next year so they must wait to fail on that.
Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 10, 2013 08:59 AM (uu42x)
Posted by: "Senior Administration Official" at October 10, 2013 09:00 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: NCKate at October 10, 2013 09:00 AM (tlIcr)
They all appear to have crashed. Next up, KrakatoaCare.
Wish me luck.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 10, 2013 09:01 AM (wNF3N)
Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 10, 2013 09:01 AM (uu42x)
This can be used against the Obama Administration.
"They're destroying the country the same time they're governing it."
Posted by: Kaitian at October 10, 2013 09:02 AM (xhv9C)
God, I am such a GENIUS!
Posted by: John Boehner at October 10, 2013 09:02 AM (M1gmo)
Posted by: NCKate at October 10, 2013 01:00 PM (tlIcr)
The Democrats never think it's insane. They just go full speed ahead and remove the brakes.
Posted by: Kaitian at October 10, 2013 09:03 AM (xhv9C)
Posted by: King Barrycade of Genius at October 10, 2013 09:04 AM (5ikDv)
Which model has the greatest impact on public opinion- a) 404Care.com website DNS or b) Obamacare policy price/co-pay shock?
Posted by: mrp at October 10, 2013 09:04 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: dananjcon at October 10, 2013 09:04 AM (wmU4G)
Posted by: Clownf*cker at October 10, 2013 09:04 AM (l2max)
Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 10, 2013 09:04 AM (uu42x)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 10, 2013 09:04 AM (WjLUf)
Posted by: Buzzion at October 10, 2013 09:04 AM (G3yym)
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 10, 2013 09:05 AM (wNF3N)
That is, each state managing their own exchange (35?) has messed up in their own way plus 1 for the federal government's incompetence?
Posted by: Lizzy at October 10, 2013 09:05 AM (JRmiD)
Why won't you let them get baptized Ace?
Posted by: sven10077 at October 10, 2013 09:05 AM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Pederast loving state at October 10, 2013 09:05 AM (nsOJa)
Posted by: jwest at October 10, 2013 09:06 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 10, 2013 09:06 AM (WjLUf)
"They are building the airplane the same time they are flying it."
And they are building it with empty beer cans and Joe's "special project" paste.
Posted by: eleven at October 10, 2013 09:06 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: NCKate
Federal government doesn't have competition and they can print money. There's no limiting factor here.
Besides, playing along with the bureaucratic insanity only helps when you retire at 40 to become a 'consultant.'
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 10, 2013 09:06 AM (ooEwf)
Posted by: The Dude at October 10, 2013 09:06 AM (vJdyz)
Posted by: @JohnTant at October 10, 2013 09:06 AM (eytER)
Also, they can't blame Bush. This is Obama's baby, from start to meltdown.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 10, 2013 09:07 AM (JRmiD)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 10, 2013 09:07 AM (WjLUf)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at October 10, 2013 09:07 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Buzzion at October 10, 2013 01:04 PM (G3yym)
Sooner or later, it gets everyone.
Posted by: Zombie Carradine at October 10, 2013 09:07 AM (++h4r)
Posted by: steevy at October 10, 2013 09:08 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Nighthawk at October 10, 2013 09:08 AM (OtQXp)
Seems he got the report card one semester for one of his players: four Fs and a D. So, he called the player into his office.
His comment to him? "Son, it's lookin' like you're spending too much time on one subject."
Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 10, 2013 09:08 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: The Dude at October 10, 2013 01:06 PM (vJdyz)
They must have been there the whole time since they weren't managing Romney's election extravaganza.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 10, 2013 09:08 AM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 10, 2013 09:08 AM (8ZskC)
"They are building the airplane the same time they are flying it."
And it's going to go down in flames the same way, too.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 10, 2013 09:08 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Beagle at October 10, 2013 09:08 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Queen Sheila Jackson Lee at October 10, 2013 09:09 AM (JRmiD)
Posted by: steevy at October 10, 2013 09:09 AM (9XBK2)
Is that like getting a gold star for "works and plays well with others" while failing remedial paste eating in kindergarten?
Posted by: Jaws at October 10, 2013 09:09 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 10, 2013 09:09 AM (WjLUf)
I tried to log onto 404Care, but no luck. So then I tried TitanicCare, HindenbergCare, and ExxonValdezCare. No luck.
They all appear to have crashed. Next up, KrakatoaCare.
Wish me luck.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 10, 2013 01:01 PM (wNF3N)
TunguskaCare seems to be up. But the only treatment option seems to be "take one rock and call me next millenium, tovarisch".
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 10, 2013 09:10 AM (TIIx5)
Posted by: joncelli at October 10, 2013 09:10 AM (RD7QR)
Spoiler alert: Red is bad.p
So I guess we can say, with all honestly, that by refusing to address problems with the exchanges and forcing it all upon us, Obammy really DID order the Code Red.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 10, 2013 09:10 AM (4df7R)
Serious you guys, it's all settled law and stuff.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 10, 2013 09:10 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Ragamuffin at October 10, 2013 09:10 AM (fzFF6)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 10, 2013 09:11 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Kathleen Sebelius at October 10, 2013 09:11 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: CA Token at October 10, 2013 09:11 AM (FTX13)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 10, 2013 09:11 AM (WjLUf)
Posted by: pigford settlement , 4.4 billion baybeee at October 10, 2013 09:11 AM (WK8VM)
Posted by: Beagle at October 10, 2013 01:08 PM (sOtz/)
I don't get angry because they always release their games broken. Their ideas a good, but their programming is shit. Thank god they have unpaid developers in the mod community (PC side) who can fix all their screwups.
Maybe Bethesda gave the Obamacare people some tips! 
Posted by: NWConservative at October 10, 2013 09:11 AM (M1gmo)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 10, 2013 09:11 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: wrg500 at October 10, 2013 09:11 AM (eJ2wx)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 10, 2013 09:12 AM (/Crba)
And this is just one state.
In the private sector, heads would roll. So... just what is that technology czar doing these days?
He's focusing on iomportant shit like getting Choom a 3d term.
Why you such a hater NDH the answer is when you need care you die.
Instant savings.
Thanks IPAB
Posted by: sven10077 at October 10, 2013 09:12 AM (9jfyN)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 10, 2013 09:12 AM (WjLUf)
Don't forget to wear your mouth guards.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 10, 2013 09:12 AM (wNF3N)
To think, I actually worked to earn some of that money.
Bastards.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 10, 2013 09:12 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: wrg500 at October 10, 2013 01:11 PM (eJ2wx)
I pay 2 bits per hobo pelt
Posted by: The Dude at October 10, 2013 09:12 AM (vJdyz)
Posted by: Adriane... at October 10, 2013 09:13 AM (KoFMU)
Posted by: pigford settlement , 4.4 billion baybeee at October 10, 2013 09:13 AM (WK8VM)
Posted by: Garden Gnome at October 10, 2013 09:13 AM (99eOS)
At what point does the party of stupid decide to take the ball and run for a touchdown by calling a congressional inquiry into the exchange development and project management fiasco?
I mean, J.H. Christo, a whole month's worth of testimony from the people who built this thing should provide enough ammo to kill it in its entirety
Posted by: Comrade Roberto Luongo at October 10, 2013 09:13 AM (wsLRF)
Posted by: Buzzion at October 10, 2013 01:04 PM (G3yym)
Huh. Basically, he just couldn't give it a rest. Enjoy your barbed cock in hell, asshole.
Posted by: joncelli at October 10, 2013 09:13 AM (RD7QR)
Charlie Johnson @SemperBanU 27m
@DarrellIssa You *really* need to look at this:
http://tinyurl.com/lp66tlc
That is source code for Obamacare exchange servers on 04SEP13
Posted by: Ragamuffin at October 10, 2013 01:10 PM (fzFF6)
404 not found! Just like Obamacare!
Posted by: NWConservative at October 10, 2013 09:13 AM (M1gmo)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 10, 2013 09:13 AM (WjLUf)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 10, 2013 09:13 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 10, 2013 09:14 AM (n/+FT)
why would we want to turn our health care over to the same group trying to make this government shut down hurt?
Just wait till you need your spleen removed and you are on the 'thought criminal' list.
Posted by: bigger fatter meanie at October 10, 2013 09:14 AM (W6iIX)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 10, 2013 09:14 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 10, 2013 09:14 AM (U2UQk)
Posted by: Typical Dumb Ass Lib That Has SHIT for Brains at October 10, 2013 09:14 AM (HlUFk)
Posted by: mugiwara at October 10, 2013 09:15 AM (W7ffl)
Posted by: polynikes at October 10, 2013 09:15 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 10, 2013 09:15 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Clemenza at October 10, 2013 09:16 AM (3GuQx)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 10, 2013 09:16 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Ragamuffin at October 10, 2013 09:16 AM (fzFF6)
Maybe ... a choked choked chicken. A choking choke.
Strangle mangle.
Strangling while mangling.
Strangle while you mangle your dangle.
Choker dick-stroker.
just trying to help the English language here.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 10, 2013 01:14 PM (ZPrif)
Rope-a-choke.
Posted by: joncelli at October 10, 2013 09:16 AM (RD7QR)
I work for a software co., and if your projected LOE turns out not to be right (i.e., it takes a more time/bigger effort than originally estimated) you have to adjust your effort accordingly (or change the delivery dates, or push that item into a future release - but these were not options for them).
You don't just expend your estimated LOE without completing the task and then pat yourself on the back for your friggin' effort.
Posted by: Queen Sheila Jackson Lee at October 10, 2013 09:17 AM (JRmiD)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 10, 2013 09:17 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 10, 2013 09:17 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 10, 2013 09:17 AM (4df7R)
Hey, it's Nevada - maybe they should have gotten the guys who "run" the voting machines at every election to do this job for them......
I mean, people are gonna cheat on Obamacare, too - they might as well have it built in from the start, right?
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at October 10, 2013 09:17 AM (PZ6/M)
Posted by: fluffy at October 10, 2013 09:17 AM (z9HTb)
just trying to help the English language here.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe
asphyxabate
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 10, 2013 09:18 AM (ooEwf)
I do not like this approach to healthcare.
Nor do I, but our betters have chosen to replace "Health Care" with "Life Management"...
you laugh and snark so you don't scream and rage
Posted by: sven10077 at October 10, 2013 09:18 AM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 10, 2013 09:18 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Jean at October 10, 2013 09:18 AM (x0UH9)
Posted by: Woodhouse at October 10, 2013 09:18 AM (/Crba)
Unanticipated? Really? With this group that has the reverse Midas touch? This was FULLY anticipated.
Posted by: wrg500 at October 10, 2013 09:18 AM (eJ2wx)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at October 10, 2013 09:18 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: navybrat at October 10, 2013 09:19 AM (FRx7F)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo, pedantic as ever at October 10, 2013 09:19 AM (OHCDZ)
Posted by: Damiano at October 10, 2013 09:19 AM (j0wOO)
More than nine months after arriving in Las Vegas for a New Year's Eve fireworks celebration, a Saudi Arabian air force sergeant will stand trial on charges of raping a 13-year-old boy in a Strip hotel room.
Fox News.
Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 10, 2013 09:19 AM (uu42x)
Posted by: fluffy at October 10, 2013 09:20 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: tasker at October 10, 2013 09:20 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: navybrat at October 10, 2013 01:19 PM (FRx7F)
Shit, that explains everything -- the Canucks deliberately sabotaged it so they could keep going to Buffalo for cheap elective surgery! (Well, that or they were too busy drinking beer and watching hockey.)
Posted by: joncelli at October 10, 2013 09:20 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 10, 2013 09:20 AM (/Crba)
***But not ALL of the blame. Megan McArdle has basically been 2013's Most Valuable Blogger solely because of her magnificent, in-depth coverage (long before the roll-out even started) of Obamacare's massive IT problems. She was explaining months and months ago (with help from a bunch of IT pros who hang out in her comments) why this entire system was doomed to flop out of the box, and large part of it is the requirement for the exchanges to gather data from various different federal databases, each of which was built years ago using unique/proprietary legacy formats that are non-compatible with the other databases, leading to massive coding problems. Then there was the federal government waiting until the last minute to finalize the specs on the project, giving a comically short (impossible) time before the go-live date. Those two issues and many others were all on Obama.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 10, 2013 09:21 AM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 10, 2013 09:21 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Ragamuffin at October 10, 2013 09:21 AM (fzFF6)
(or "Hardware," as kids in my mom's inner-city English class pronounced it.)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 10, 2013 01:06 PM (WjLUf)
*
We immediately fired the first dumb scrunt we hire to do our company's website as soon as it was apparent that she was a dumb scrunt. Five years later we still break the balls of the guy that hired her. This is private sector agility and accountability; Something big gov. is simply unable to do.
Posted by: dananjcon at October 10, 2013 09:21 AM (wmU4G)
Posted by: charles gibbson at October 10, 2013 09:22 AM (W6iIX)
Has anyone, I mean anyone at all, bothered asking why the fuck the American healthcare system computer code contract was given to a Canadian company?
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at October 10, 2013 01:07 PM (VtjlW)
Because they have a history of failed projects and great kickbacks to the ruling party? These are the clowns that received/spent $ Billions on the Canadian Gun registry fiasco.
Follow the money. Follow the graft.
Posted by: rd at October 10, 2013 09:22 AM (D+lxs)
We have spent the equivalent of about 10% of Feral Gubmint revenue over the last three years to put this masterpiece together too.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 10, 2013 09:22 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Russian Hackers [/i] at October 10, 2013 09:23 AM (U2UQk)
Posted by: Jesse at October 10, 2013 09:23 AM (H2XQu)
Posted by: tasker at October 10, 2013 09:23 AM (r2PLg)
So how much money did the contractors donate to the proper politicians so that they could have the lucrative honor of building this Hindenburg of a system?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet has Petulance and Tantrums in all styles and colors! at October 10, 2013 09:23 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Damiano at October 10, 2013 09:23 AM (j0wOO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 10, 2013 09:23 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: wrg500 at October 10, 2013 01:18 PM (eJ2wx)
Yes thats why everyone here talk about how the software and signup was going to fail in the comments prior to Oct 1. Not.
Posted by: polynikes at October 10, 2013 09:23 AM (m2CN7)
111 So... the programmers for the Obamacare website posted to a public forum for assistance and, in the process, posted the code.
Do I have that right?
WOW!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 10, 2013 01:18 PM (DmNpO)
************
Ya--that's what in the hell it looks like.
Posted by: tasker at October 10, 2013 01:20 PM (r2PLg)
Jeezy F'ing Creezy.
Amateur Hour just called and said it's suing this administration for libel and slander.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 10, 2013 09:24 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at October 10, 2013 09:24 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 10, 2013 09:25 AM (ZPrif)
Which raises a question. Creutzfeld-Jakob disease in humans, BSE in cattle, and chronic wasting disease in ungulates are all prion diseases, and may all be manifestations of the same thing. I wonder if these researchers will be trying this drug as a weapon against those diseases?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 10, 2013 09:25 AM (8Fl6F)
"They are building the airplane the same time they are flying it."
Just gonna stand here at the edge of the tarmac and drink my Slurpee, thank-you very much!
Posted by: Cicero Kid at October 10, 2013 09:26 AM (DHQv9)
Posted by: polynikes at October 10, 2013 01:23 PM (m2CN7)
Uhhh, yeah we were.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 10, 2013 09:26 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: tasker at October 10, 2013 09:26 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: bonhomme at October 10, 2013 09:26 AM (yETln)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 10, 2013 09:26 AM (ZPrif)
I don't know what posts you read, but any comment I saw predicted a massive charlie foxtrot.
Posted by: wrg500 at October 10, 2013 09:26 AM (eJ2wx)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 10, 2013 09:27 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 10, 2013 09:27 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: mrp at October 10, 2013 09:27 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: fluffy at October 10, 2013 09:27 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: TXSheepdog at October 10, 2013 09:27 AM (uHG0+)
15 6
I'm amazed at the amount of money paid for all of this. At a certain
point, there had to be ONE person thinking it was all insane
Hahahahahahaha! You kill me!
Posted by: Guy making six figures for 20-hours labor per week and gets drunk at lunch. at October 10, 2013 09:28 AM (DHQv9)
And you've all downloaded the .zip file, right? (my IT won't let me)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 10, 2013 09:28 AM (/kI1Q)
paid to a CANADIAN firm. We could not even pay our own people to fuck
this up.
I've got news for you: the bulk of this work was almost certainly done in India, not Canada. I've seen some circumstantial evidence in looking through a bit of the code (and reading the comments of other programmers), but this isn't a solid assertion, it's more of a hunch that I predict will come out later on -- and it explains why the administration has been notably, weirdly cagey when questioned this week about "who did this work?"
For those who don't know, this is actually a standard practice nowadays (and yes, pretty shady, but standard nonetheless these days). A contractor company will base itself in a Canadian shell company and use that as a 'pass-through' for bids on U.S./North American tech contracts, and then for those contractors to outsource their work to sub-contractors in India, for the obvious reason that they work much cheaper. But you get what you pay for, because those guys lack familiarity with the U.S. institutions they're coding for, and are often entry-level coders who are taught in vastly inferior schools and do sub-par work.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 10, 2013 09:28 AM (n/+FT)
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 10, 2013 09:28 AM (9kAJ8)
>>> computer code doesn't have a friendly media to spin for it. It's either logical, and it fits together, and it obeys the rules of mathematics, or it fails
But we loves teh Pixy
Posted by: Bigby's Obscene Hand Gestures at October 10, 2013 09:28 AM (3ZtZW)
Uhhh, yeah we were.
Well the IT savvy were, I'm a decent user not a guru.
I did opine several times on the wariness I felt that the Feds would get this right as they want it to fail.
Posted by: sven10077 at October 10, 2013 09:28 AM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Obamitis of Deecee at October 10, 2013 09:28 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 10, 2013 01:17 PM (OWjjx)
Sebellius tried that out on John Stewart a few days ago, something to the effect that 'We wanted single payer so we could avoid all this'.
The spin will be that single-payer is simple, straightforward, and free. Of course, they won't mention the rationing of services and medication, or the dramatic decline in quality of care--except for the well-to-do, who will be able to acquire their own insurance even after the enormous tax hikes necessary to sustain such a scheme.
A government that controls healthcare and energy--even indirectly through a stringent regulatory regime--controls everything and everyone.
Posted by: troyriser at October 10, 2013 09:28 AM (2jF2B)
Try this.
http://is.gd/tKzIWk
Howy cwap!!! Someone take a screen shot before that gets disappeared.
What a hoot!
Posted by: trainer's looking for a Militia to join... at October 10, 2013 09:29 AM (n4ArD)
Uh, what? Unless you have different numbers for how much has been spent, $600 million is about 0.025% of one year's revenue.
Posted by: Waterhouse at October 10, 2013 09:29 AM (YVx8A)
Posted by: Ragamuffin at October 10, 2013 09:29 AM (fzFF6)
Posted by: tasker at October 10, 2013 09:29 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Reggie Love at October 10, 2013 09:29 AM (++h4r)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 10, 2013 09:29 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Bigby's Obscene Hand Gestures at October 10, 2013 09:29 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Obamitis of Deecee at October 10, 2013 09:30 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at October 10, 2013 01:26 PM (4df7R)
Can you point me to the thread where the discussion was about how the software and programming was going to cause Obamacare registration to fail? I'm serious because I must have missed it and it would be interesting to read.
Posted by: polynikes at October 10, 2013 09:30 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: t-bird at October 10, 2013 09:30 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Xander Crews at October 10, 2013 09:30 AM (SUbHR)
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 10, 2013 01:28 PM (9kAJ
I enjoy knowing that he's in hell, dangling naked by the neck from a noose of barbed wire, as he is repeatedly raped, beaten and starved, over and over, for all eternity.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 10, 2013 09:31 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Fritz at October 10, 2013 09:31 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: tasker at October 10, 2013 09:31 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 10, 2013 09:31 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Harry Reid at October 10, 2013 09:32 AM (qf2kI)
THAT is a Jesus Facepalm move.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 10, 2013 09:32 AM (d0Dmj)
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 10, 2013 09:32 AM (wNF3N)
Do I have that right?
Without knowing more, I don't actually think this is the controversy you think it is. The Obamacare exchange code was supposed to be "open source" and released to the public several months ago. That's not at all unheard of in the programming world. Whether it's a good idea or not is a very different question: it seems utterly insane to me, since this isn't UNIX we're talking about here, but rather a database-interaction system that is going to be handling some of the most insanely sensitive personal information of every American. Not exactly the sort of thing you want to be inviting Yevgeniiy the Novogorodian hacker to be ripping apart and studying for security weaknesses. (In fact, i've read people saying that the 'open source' code that was released is no longer the code that the federal exchanges are actually using -- I'm guessing that security concerns are indeed the reason for this.)
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 10, 2013 09:32 AM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 10, 2013 09:32 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 10, 2013 09:33 AM (9kAJ8)
Shit, that explains everything -- the Canucks deliberately sabotaged it so they could keep going to Buffalo for cheap elective surgery! (Well, that or they were too busy drinking beer and watching hockey.)
*whistles quietly to self*
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at October 10, 2013 09:33 AM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: Zombie Ariel Castro at October 10, 2013 09:33 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 10, 2013 09:33 AM (U2UQk)
In a totally non-partisan spirit, there is still no one to blame except Republicans and John Boehner. As my friend Chris Matthews says: "They really hate Him that much."
Posted by: Jeffrey Toobin at October 10, 2013 09:33 AM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at October 10, 2013 09:34 AM (oDCMR)
Try this.
http://is.gd/tKzIWk
Bwahahahaha! [gasp]
BWAHAHAHA! [gasp]
BWAHAHAHA!
Saved and screen capped for future entertainment values.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at October 10, 2013 09:34 AM (0q2P7)
polynikes, I hope you are right.
I mean, I know you are right, in that the actual substantive disaster that this idiocy is (absurdly expensive, lower quality "insurance") will become clear, at some point. But as we have seen for years now, these spectacularly bad and incompetent (now to include criminal, histrionically unpresidential and inappropriate, arrogant, hostile ....) acts of government only produce a reaction if the electorate has the tools to react.
Meaning not voices or votes - but mindsets and frameworks. What - aside from the now apparently wildly anomalous 2010 mid-terms and most state-level elections - gives us any reason to think this unimaginably bad, alien, bumbling, lawless regime (and its similar Democratic legislative team, and it's sometimes barely-better GOP opposition) will cause any reaction in the electorate?
I always talk about degradation. But that's what it is. In the years after 9/11, I watched in horror and disbelief as the Dems and other public figures/institutions beclowned themselves, or did/said vile and irresponsible things that - for all of my life - would have normally been met with political obliteration, and even social ostracism. I used to email my network of Beltway friends and colleagues asking why nothing was happening, and they were puzzled, too.
Now? We are so far beyond the outrages of that period that I lack words to compare them. And out here in the country? (*crickets*) Most time here is spent (with justification) mocking and decrying the incredibly small people who dominate the Beltway. But it is becoming hard to avoid the conclusion that this pathetic set of midget, rootless, rent-seeking mediocrities is not in fact representative.
Posted by: non-purist at October 10, 2013 09:34 AM (afQnV)
404care.com login problem fixed - developers discover disabled Amber Alert script caused infinite loop.
Posted by: mrp at October 10, 2013 09:34 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: tasker at October 10, 2013 09:34 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Marmo from Iowa, the only state that elects our presidents at October 10, 2013 09:34 AM (QW+AD)
"We built this city on rock and roll"
Posted by: eleven at October 10, 2013 01:10 PM (KXm42)
Meh. Barack Obama's world is more akin to "Playground In My Mind."
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His so-called advisers prance around to "We Are the Champions."
(So does he, late at night, when Mooch is asleep)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 10, 2013 09:35 AM (BDU/a)
Posted by: President For Life Obama at October 10, 2013 09:35 AM (qf2kI)
Posted by: t-bird at October 10, 2013 09:35 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: polynikes at October 10, 2013 01:30 PM (m2CN7)
It wasn't one single thread. It's been commented upon many times in multiple threads for at least the past year.
The idea that the gubmint would be able to have these exchanges up and functioning in the time frame allowed -- let alone integrated with patient health information e-records, which is a whole other kettle of rotten fish -- was always laughable and downright ridiculous. The private sector could have gotten it done, but the gubmint does not work that fast. The gubmint has so many damn levels of bureaucracy and oversight that just getting everyone together into a meeting about what color to make the background is a month-long ordeal.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 10, 2013 09:35 AM (4df7R)
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Also, they should've gone with Coldfusion.
Posted by: Serious Cat at October 10, 2013 09:36 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 10, 2013 09:36 AM (U2UQk)
Posted by: Bill at October 10, 2013 09:36 AM (uvyrw)
Posted by: Billy, just trying to help out at October 10, 2013 09:36 AM (nsOJa)
If it's a discussion here at AoSHQ you're looking for, can't help you. But if you to Megan McArdle's Bloomberg.com blog you'll find tons of posts where she and her commenters discuss this exact topic. And here is a GREAT post from her personal website (which she used while she was transitioning from her old gig to her new Bloomberg one) dating back to July where she explains exactly why this was all going to be a disaster: "Obamacare Gets Easier To Implement All The Time...As Long As You Don't Care About Losing Major Functions. Link: http://tinyurl.com/l2tc93c
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 10, 2013 09:36 AM (n/+FT)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 10, 2013 09:36 AM (bCEmE)
Was it?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 10, 2013 09:36 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Justamom at October 10, 2013 09:37 AM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at October 10, 2013 09:37 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 10, 2013 01:13 PM (WjLUf)
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Heh..
That was yesterdays joke...Maybe HHS didn't pay their GoDaddy SSL Certification bill.
Posted by: dananjcon at October 10, 2013 09:38 AM (wmU4G)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 10, 2013 09:38 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: t-bird at October 10, 2013 09:38 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Weirddave at October 10, 2013 09:38 AM (jt8G9)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 10, 2013 09:39 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at October 10, 2013 09:39 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: tasker at October 10, 2013 09:39 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Soona at October 10, 2013 09:39 AM (3Mz5/)
Posted by: bonhomme at October 10, 2013 09:40 AM (yETln)
Posted by: tasker at October 10, 2013 09:40 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at October 10, 2013 09:40 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Beagle at October 10, 2013 09:40 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Jesse at October 10, 2013 09:41 AM (H2XQu)
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As bad as Microsoft handing over the Windows source code to the ChiComs for the privilege of selling MS OS in the PRC?
Posted by: mrp at October 10, 2013 09:41 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: tasker at October 10, 2013 09:42 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 10, 2013 09:42 AM (OHCDZ)
Posted by: Otto, who thinks Plato was Belgian at October 10, 2013 09:42 AM (omBWL)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at October 10, 2013 01:40 PM (VtjlW)
duh? you think we had time to create test data in the volume necessary
Posted by: obamacare webdesign inc. at October 10, 2013 09:42 AM (W6iIX)
Posted by: dogfish at October 10, 2013 09:42 AM (nsOJa)
Ok then.
Posted by: Marmo from Iowa, the only state that elects our presidents at October 10, 2013 09:42 AM (QW+AD)
Posted by: Comrade Roberto Luongo at October 10, 2013 09:42 AM (wsLRF)
Posted by: Weirddave at October 10, 2013 01:38 PM (jt8G9)
Not going by the pic in his Twitter timeline. And he sounds sane.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 10, 2013 09:43 AM (8Fl6F)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 10, 2013 09:43 AM (/PCJa)
Come on---they open sourced the code for people to BUY health care and get a PERSONAL ID.
Posted by: tasker at October 10, 2013 01:34 PM (r2PLg)
What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: tedrush@ymail.com at October 10, 2013 09:43 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 10, 2013 01:36 PM (n/+FT)
Thanks. I guess I should have qualified my statement that we didn't have a specific discussion on this and with the number of programmers we have and Purp a coblogger, I would thought we would have had a dedicated thread if it was anticipated as I define anticipate. ( see I can't be wrong if I am defining the parameters. This liberal thought process rocks)
Posted by: polynikes at October 10, 2013 09:43 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 10, 2013 09:43 AM (bCEmE)
I thought he would cave in hours not days, by God he has earned not just a respiration but also a participation trophy.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at October 10, 2013 09:43 AM (epxV4)
Posted by: AmishDude at October 10, 2013 09:43 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: tasker
Yeah, and there's a zip file attached...not that I noticed or saved it or anything...
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at October 10, 2013 09:44 AM (fk1A8)
Posted by: Fritz at October 10, 2013 09:44 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 10, 2013 09:44 AM (1RQeV)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at October 10, 2013 09:44 AM (naUcP)
There's a reason why he's caving now. Serious gambits have been played between Dems, the Rebpubs and the Tea Party. Boehner and McConnell are probably going to shut it down because it no longer makes any sense for RINO to continue the charade of being conservative after today.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at October 10, 2013 09:44 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: garrett at October 10, 2013 09:44 AM (++h4r)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 10, 2013 01:42 PM (OHCDZ)
Hah. The clowns called and said they want their car back.
Posted by: tedrush@ymail.com at October 10, 2013 09:44 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: tasker at October 10, 2013 09:45 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 10, 2013 09:45 AM (OHCDZ)
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The sketch is of Couric forcing a smile while sweating. Just as nice. Remember, this is the same witch who, when interviewing a woman whose fiance had left her at the altar, said, "Have you considered castration as an option?" (Imagine what would happen to a male comic who said something similar about a woman.)
The story proclaims Couric may have to take a pay cut. Gee, however will she live on only $10 million a year?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 10, 2013 09:45 AM (BDU/a)
Eh, I really, really wouldn't worry about this. I for one don't even think the Dems would seriously attempt to push this line in the wake of a catastrophic Obamacare failure (which might be definable several different ways: tech system collapse, failure of young people to enroll in sufficient numbers, skyrocketing premiums and deductibles, shrinking availability of access to doctors, etc...each of which seems more like to happen than not). That would take some stones. But even if they DID try that line out -- I'm sure some ultra-left moron will try to 'test the waters' -- they'll get blasted back in the face not only by the GOP, but by the public as well (which flips its shit when the phrase "single-payer" gets mentioned -- an example, actually, of LIV behavior that helps us, since most people don't even know what it really means, they just Know That It's Bad...and this time thankfully they're right). I don't even think the MSM would buy it the way they got on board with Obamacare wholesale: the "wait, you fucked everything up beyond recognition and now your response is 'let us do it some more, again'?" angle would simply be too hard to pass up.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 10, 2013 09:45 AM (n/+FT)
BREAKING: Former Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick sentenced to 28 years in prison for corruption
Posted by: Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 10, 2013 01:43 PM (bCEmE)
Of which he will serve no more than a fraction, and have an astonishing comeback after his release, a la Marion Barry.
Posted by: joncelli at October 10, 2013 09:46 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: tasker at October 10, 2013 09:46 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Jesse at October 10, 2013 01:41 PM (H2XQu)
Put him on all-bacon diet. Should fix him right up. Use only moldy bacon, of course. No point wasting the good stuff on him.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 10, 2013 09:46 AM (8Fl6F)
Oh - and about Glitchapalooza (as Allahpundit has dubbed it).
Folks, as I've said since the outset, while it is fun and fine to mock this disastrous "roll-out" - keep in mind this WILL PASS. It will be fixed. It will "work".
The problem with this ridiculous, destructive, absurdly unconstitutional, indefensible final distortion to the already govt.-mangled health care finance system is not the stupid web interface. Or even the pathetic inability to structure things such that the insurance cos. can process applications. These problems, too, shall pass.
If Glitchapalooza can be used to help wound the beast to effect, great. But let's not get attached to rollout problems as the "aha!!" development that helps us destroy this monster.
Posted by: non-purist at October 10, 2013 09:46 AM (afQnV)
Posted by: maddogg at October 10, 2013 09:46 AM (xWW96)
Inmates are exempt from SCOAMFcare. Well played, Kwame.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 10, 2013 09:47 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 10, 2013 09:47 AM (/PCJa)
Not kidding at all.
Posted by: eleven at October 10, 2013 09:47 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: sunny-dee at October 10, 2013 09:47 AM (EBoCD)
Posted by: tasker at October 10, 2013 09:47 AM (r2PLg)
And they wanted four security questions that were asked by idiots. ie: What was your favorite......book, movie, hero....teacher when you were young now, etc.
Very few factual security questions.
Posted by: Jack at October 10, 2013 09:48 AM (XhzTz)
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 10, 2013 09:48 AM (9kAJ8)
Not kidding at all.
Posted by: eleven at October 10, 2013 01:47 PM (KXm42)
if 'gender' is now considdered a construct race should be also
Posted by: obamacare webdesign inc. at October 10, 2013 09:48 AM (W6iIX)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 10, 2013 09:49 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Weirddave at October 10, 2013 09:49 AM (jt8G9)
Posted by: tasker at October 10, 2013 09:50 AM (r2PLg)
.....
Posted by: non-purist at October 10, 2013 01:46 PM (afQnV)
But will it be fixed in time before the open-enrollment window closes? Could be hilarious if O'care's first year only enrollment #s in the tens of thousands.
Posted by: Serious Cat at October 10, 2013 09:50 AM (UypUQ)
Of which he will serve no more than a fraction, and have an astonishing comeback after his release, a la Marion Barry.
Yup. Because, stick it to the Man and sht
Posted by: Typo Dynamofo at October 10, 2013 09:50 AM (URNUb)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 10, 2013 09:50 AM (l0lja)
Posted by: Kaitian at October 10, 2013 01:47 PM (WujO7)
Same place as the white women.
(Okay, y'all need to stop being funny and interesting so I can get things done.)
Posted by: joncelli at October 10, 2013 09:50 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 10, 2013 09:51 AM (9kAJ8)
That would be like releasing a car that is known to catch on fire when you try and operate it. Wait they did that too. . .
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at October 10, 2013 09:51 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 10, 2013 09:51 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: bonhomme at October 10, 2013 09:52 AM (yETln)
I got past that point once and then it asked less idiotic questions to verify my identity, vehicles owned, addresses lived at, etc. According to their data base I am not me.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at October 10, 2013 09:52 AM (epxV4)
Only one B-A there champ.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami_Code
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at October 10, 2013 09:53 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at October 10, 2013 09:54 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Dr. Deano at October 10, 2013 09:54 AM (jli4n)
Posted by: Bigby's Obscene Hand Gestures at October 10, 2013 09:55 AM (3ZtZW)
It happened a few years ago when the law was passed. I doubt they've gotten much smarter in the interim.
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at October 10, 2013 09:55 AM (fk1A8)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 10, 2013 09:55 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: RWC at October 10, 2013 09:55 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 10, 2013 09:55 AM (U2UQk)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 10, 2013 09:56 AM (l0lja)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at October 10, 2013 09:56 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at October 10, 2013 09:56 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Kaitian at October 10, 2013 09:57 AM (WujO7)
Posted by: Masochistic IT Project Manager at October 10, 2013 09:57 AM (lhRyM)
Posted by: eleven at October 10, 2013 01:47 PM (KXm42)
if 'gender' is now considdered a construct race should be also
Posted by: obamacare webdesign inc. at October 10, 2013 01:48 PM (W6iIX)
As far as signing up, I'm a black lesbian with one leg who votes democrat.
Posted by: tedrush@ymail.com at October 10, 2013 09:58 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 10, 2013 09:58 AM (/PCJa)
There is a difference between using open source code to create commonly used platforms and interfaces and to give state and federal exchanges a uniform look rather than building everything from scratch, and POSTING THE SOURCE CODE OF THE FUCKING ACA EXCHANGE to a public website asking how to fix a problem.
Just for anyone who might wonder why this is big deal.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 10, 2013 09:58 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 10, 2013 09:59 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 10, 2013 09:59 AM (l0lja)
Posted by: Scott M at October 10, 2013 09:59 AM (AdBfq)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at October 10, 2013 09:59 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: RWC at October 10, 2013 09:59 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: tedrush@ymail.com at October 10, 2013 01:58 PM (x3YFz)
"black deaf blind spayed lesbian with one leg who votes democrat." You got to cover all your bases yo.
Posted by: Kaitian at October 10, 2013 10:00 AM (WujO7)
Oh, and if I have to do it in person, I'll scream about gender bias, trans-race-sexual-limb discrimination. I am who I feel like I am!
Posted by: tedrush@ymail.com at October 10, 2013 10:00 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at October 10, 2013 01:56 PM (RZ8pf)
That's okay. I have JPMorgan-Chase for my student loans and I "get to" authenticate every damn time I log in since I sometimes do it from different computers. Real pain in the ass having to respond to email/text message giving me a login code to actually login to my account.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 10, 2013 10:01 AM (M1gmo)
Posted by: awkward davies at October 10, 2013 10:01 AM (WK8VM)
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 10, 2013 10:01 AM (9kAJ8)
Posted by: NCKate at October 10, 2013 10:01 AM (tlIcr)
Clearly the project management people have never had actual training for project management. Ignoring goalpoints is basically saying that the project is never going to be actually complete and an admission that you have no confidence in your "finished" product.
Posted by: Kaitian at October 10, 2013 01:57 PM (WujO7)
You know what I think?
I think if you were to look at the project staff turnover for the Exchanges over the past year, you'd see names leaving and being replaced frequently. I bet that the gubmint bureucrats who were allegedly shepherding this development along were so stupid, standoffish, and/or given to procrastination that the few sane programmers and program managers who may have once been involved left the project early to keep their sanity.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 10, 2013 10:01 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: steevy at October 10, 2013 10:02 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 10, 2013 10:02 AM (oFCZn)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 10, 2013 10:02 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 10, 2013 10:03 AM (DmNpO)
That's like putting a square of toilet paper over a pile of festering turds jammed up in a toilet.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 10, 2013 02:02 PM (oFCZn)
re-doing f'd up code is like the worst job ever. I makes cleaning up those festering turds an easy task... with your tongue.
If anyone here has had to go in and re-do jacked up code, you know what I'm saying. You just want to shitcan it and start over.
Posted by: tangonine at October 10, 2013 10:04 AM (x3YFz)
In other words, 95% of the people involved didn't do anything that contributed to its success, 4% were bureaucrats (Sebelius being one of them) hounding the 1% productive people that were struggling to meet deadlines. The evil 1%ers at work again!
Posted by: Kaitian at October 10, 2013 10:04 AM (WujO7)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 10, 2013 10:04 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 10, 2013 10:05 AM (/PCJa)
Serious Cat - a question.
You mean (outs self as deliberate No Information Citizen when it comes to this absurd outrage) that to "access" the wonderful Goverment Processed Insurance Product via the web for next year (when my current insurance goes "poof", or triples in cost for less coverage), I have to enroll before New Year's?
Don't get it. The current Horribly Distorted and Costly Processed Insurance Product (private plan) is accessible any time, you just apply (more on that below). But to get the crap that CA will offer I have to get it in the next 2 months? No way the great unwashed are going to do this - as you say - prior to New Year's.
Weirddave - I have bought my own private plans via a website (eHealthInsurance.com) for years. Checked around a bit otherwise, but of course due to the outrageous distortion/destruction of actual health insurance by federal tax code and state regulation, there are only a handful of companies in the market, and they are all on that site. Which, I confess, adds a bit of humor to the idea that a $700 million guvamint project couldn't provide (perhaps with some tweaks/additions) what a private site has been doing, easily, for years.
Posted by: non-purist at October 10, 2013 10:05 AM (afQnV)
302 All cheat codes are either "swordfish" or up-up-down-down-left-right-left-right-b-a-b-a-select+start.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 10, 2013 01:49 PM (/PCJa)
GODMODE
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at October 10, 2013 01:59 PM (VtjlW)
That just reminds me of Ace's Generic Walkthrough for every game you've ever played.
Posted by: buzzion at October 10, 2013 10:05 AM (LI48c)
and true, name of the street of your childhood home or name of your
elementary school or name of your high school, things that have names
that objectively stay true
The questions on my company's benefits site were all "name of your maid of honor", "daughter's middle name", "spouses's university." Thank God there was a "father's name (if known)" or I'd never be able to create an account.
I feel my diversity is not being respected.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 10, 2013 10:05 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Masochistic IT Project Manager at October 10, 2013 01:57 PM (lhRyM)
You miss an important connection, which makes this all fall into place.
Their Agenda is for Single Payer... they WANT Obamacare to fail.... which is why they took out the employer mandates and such ( as the numbers don't crunch once you do that).
Thus, the site failing is a FEATURE, not a Bug...
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 10, 2013 10:05 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Beagle at October 10, 2013 10:06 AM (sOtz/)
That's quite possible, followed by the presence of the president at a microphone loudly proclaiming that "If the Congress won't act, I will."
Posted by: mrp at October 10, 2013 10:06 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Serious Cat at October 10, 2013 01:50 PM (UypUQ)
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Puhleeze. I'll just sign an EO changing the law to indefinite enrollment time. Eazy peazy.
Posted by: Baraka O'Preezy at October 10, 2013 10:06 AM (3Mz5/)
Posted by: awkward davies at October 10, 2013 02:01 PM (WK8VM)
Nyet, is like robbing money from Monopoly game.
Posted by: Russian Hacker Nerds at October 10, 2013 10:07 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Masochistic IT Project Manager at October 10, 2013 10:08 AM (lhRyM)
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Yes, but in the long term. Short term, during a knife fight with Congress, the -optics- aren't optimal.
Posted by: mrp at October 10, 2013 10:08 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Voices, I hear voices at October 10, 2013 10:08 AM (84FWX)
Posted by: RWC at October 10, 2013 10:09 AM (fWAjv)
Serious Cat - a question.
You mean (outs self as deliberate No Information Citizen when it comes to this absurd outrage) that to "access" the wonderful Goverment Processed Insurance Product via the web for next year (when my current insurance goes "poof", or triples in cost for less coverage), I have to enroll before New Year's?
Don't get it. The current Horribly Distorted and Costly Processed Insurance Product (private plan)is accessible any time, you just apply (more on that below). But to get the crap that CA will offer I have to get it in the next 2 months? No way the great unwashed are going to do this - as you say - prior to New Year's.
Weirddave - I have bought my own private plans via a website (eHealthInsurance.com) for years. Checked around a bit otherwise, but of course due to the outrageous distortion/destruction of actual health insurance by federal tax code and state regulation, there are only a handful of companies in the market, and they are all on that site. Which, I confess, adds a bit of humor to the idea that a $700 million guvamint project couldn't provide (perhaps with some tweaks/additions) what a private site has been doing, easily, for years.
Posted by: non-purist at October 10, 2013 02:05 PM (afQnV)
I'm myself am fairly ignorant about health insurance, but as I understand you have until end of this year to "be covered" for all of next year... but until March to get partial coverage in 2014. But that March extension is only good this year. For 2015 you'll need to sign up by Dec. 15th (or near abouts).
Posted by: Serious Cat at October 10, 2013 10:10 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: Generation Z at October 10, 2013 10:10 AM (rCS6C)
Posted by: Kaitian at October 10, 2013 02:04 PM (WujO7)
Yep!
Having worked with state government while trying to establish (much smaller scale) data management systems, I can attest to the HELL involved.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 10, 2013 10:11 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 10, 2013 10:12 AM (l0lja)
"I fully expect thousands of LIVs to show up to their doctor's offices
next year for their "free" healthcare without having ever visited the
website."
Are you kidding? It was happening back in 2010 after Obammy signed the damn thing into law.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 10, 2013 10:13 AM (4df7R)
Thus, the site failing is a FEATURE, not a Bug...
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 10, 2013 02:05 PM (lZBBB)
No they didn't. They wanted O'care to be a success while the traditional insurance market to fail.
Posted by: Serious Cat at October 10, 2013 10:13 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 10, 2013 10:15 AM (U2UQk)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 10, 2013 10:15 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Masochistic IT Project Manager at October 10, 2013 10:17 AM (lhRyM)
Posted by: Jon Stewart at October 10, 2013 10:31 AM (obXkJ)
Are you kidding me? No, anyone suceeding in acquiring health insurance or resorting to violence for failing to acquire health insurance is abnormal. The people who are attempting to purchase health insurance but failing is normal.
Posted by: Kaitian at October 10, 2013 10:34 AM (WujO7)
No they didn't. They wanted O'care to be a success while the traditional insurance market to fail.
Posted by: Serious Cat at October 10, 2013 02:13 PM (UypUQ)
Sibelius, Pelosi, and Obama even told us that Single Payer was the goal.
They want Obamacare to fail AND take out the current insurance companies... they want it to be such a mess that Obama can declare a National Emergency, and using his self appointed Economic Powers (look at the Executive order on the subject) can seize the assets of the Insurance companies (like he did GM) and use them to institute a single payer system... probably run by his cronies at United Health Care (the same folks he GAVE the Tricare contract to, even though their bad was higher, and things are now slower in Tricare).
The proof of this?
1. Not putting anyone in charge who knows how to roll out a program like this...
2. They are slowly getting rid of all the funding mechanisms built into Obamacare... first the Employer mandate... Then Non enforcement of the Individual Mandate (look it up, enforcement mechanism, too easy to cheat)... and next will be getting rid of the Medical device tax.... which means the Subsidies break the bank....
Like the current Government shutdown.... which happened because Harry Reid would not allow votes on the Appropriations bills... this is a self manufactured crises....
They are CHOOSING this IMO.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 10, 2013 10:37 AM (lZBBB)
WalrusRex - outstanding! The US went from a standing start (17th largest military in the world) in 1941 to winning WWII (incl. being a key supplier to the largest combatant, the USSR) in less than 4 years.
From bolt-action rifles to nuclear weapons, proximity fuses, radar, sonar, and spectacular advances in battlefield medicine. Four years. Less than half the current population.
Note: government-driven. For the most unambiguous and valuable public goods, of course (national security). Not to displace/replace private goods with unworkable frankenstein public/private hybrids (govt.-distorted medical care).
Posted by: non-purist at October 10, 2013 10:47 AM (afQnV)
It's what the private sector does dude, at least the parts most of us work in.
Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at October 10, 2013 10:54 AM (sKpob)
My snarky comment: This is the same mindset that thinks you can assemble a lunar module and rocket system by using old parts found in a junkyard.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 10, 2013 02:12 PM (l0lja)
Um. Yes.
You establish requirements, push out a shell with integration instructions.
I've lead teams of 5 (five) people that could integrate way more than 50 moving parts.
They have a name for it.... (lemme think...) SYSTEMS ENGINEERING. They even offer degrees in the field! Whoda thunk!?
It's called: not being a dumbass.
Posted by: tangonine at October 10, 2013 11:00 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at October 10, 2013 11:05 AM (/lWM8)
"Plz RT this everywhere: Contractor posts *server* source code, asking for help"
Posted by: Jazz at October 10, 2013 11:14 AM (roO4n)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 10, 2013 12:08 PM (OHCDZ)
Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at October 10, 2013 12:15 PM (uJK1E)
"Spoiler alert: Red is bad."
Okay, I laughed out loud when I read that after trying to figure out that chart.
Posted by: PJ at October 10, 2013 12:55 PM (ZWaLo)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at October 11, 2013 06:16 AM (1hM1d)
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Posted by: NCKate at October 10, 2013 08:58 AM (tlIcr)