March 26, 2013
— Ace Have you read this story?
It's egregious. Go read that; I can't summarize a summary, and there's no sense just quoting half their article.
Clarification: Note that while this woman did in fact do the power-game passive-aggressive asshole-aggressive I'm Gonna Put You on My Twitter Timeline, she didn't actually ask for the guys to be fired. Or at least I haven't seen that claimed. That seems to be PlayHaven's call. That's on them.
Now, this Adria Reid or whatever her name is is a real harpy who enjoys the power-trip she gets in accusing people of the New Witchcraft, which is supposedly hateful speech. It's an Empowering Game for her, accusing people and such.
She's like the girl in Oleanna -- did you see that? Go see that. I'll wait.
Saw it? Tough to watch, right? But it makes a good point: We are empowering the worst of us with this power to accuse people of Witchcraft, I mean, Speechcraft.
Petty broken tyrants like this get off on it, and we just keep giving them that power.
But I don't want to talk about her, actually. Because people like her have always existed. There have always been scolds and hysterical accusers and yes, until recently, no shortage of people willing to bid for a little Spotlight Time for themselves by accusing others of sorcery. (In fact, in Africa and in India's hinterlands, the practice continues.)
We used to just roll our eyes, or, if we were feeling a little empowered ourselves, we used to tell them to have a lie-down on the fainting couch until they had sufficiently re-gathered their shit enough to join reasonable adult company again.
What's changed?
Us.
What the Unholy Hell was this company, PlayHaven, doing firing an employee who broke no laws, stood before no tribunal, and did not even act on the company's behalf, but his own behalf, on the say-so of a serial hysteric and Witch-Finder?
You see the problem? The problem in PlayHaven.
And the problem is corporate America generally.
Mark my words. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: The primary direct threat to your right to speak freely as a private citizen and an adult in a free democracy comes not from the government, but from your employer, who will fire you if some hysteric tweets about something you said in your personal capacity.
Why? Because they don't want the supposed "firestorm" such a tweet will cause.
They're cowards. And they will fire you for exercising your free speech rights as an American citizen if someone accuses you of breaking the Speech Laws on FaceBook.
Now, we can't change that either. The world is full of weak men. PlayHaven especially so.
But we can change incentives. As Milton Friedman said, we cannot expect to put good and noble people into positions of authority over us. He was speaking of the government, but his point applies equally to employers. He said we have to accept that the people with authority will continue to be be bad -- and we will only have real freedom and real progress when we change the incentives such that bad, weak people do the right thing.
Because the bad, weak people will be penalized for doing the wrong thing and rewarded for doing the right thing. They'll still be cowards motivated by fear-- but we can only have progress when we put the correct incentive structure of fear into them.
In the instant case, this means punishing, by any consumer boycott we can manage, PlayHaven, whoever the hell they are, until they re-hire this guy and give him a $5000 bonus as a shame-based cash-money apology for their own cowardice and weakness.
But this is not restricted to PlayHaven. This is going on all over.
What is needed is a statement, an organization, a mission, a continuing effort to let corporations know that what free adult citizens say on their own time, for their own personal account (that is, not on the company's behalf), is not the corporation's problem, and they will not have a lot of lunatic baying for red meat from the "online community" over such personal, not corporate speech.
And, conversely, if they seek to limit American citizens' freedoms, they will have a problem.
I know no one will join me in this. I know I'll just be told it's every company's right to fire people. (But then, people have a right to boycott over unjust actions, too.) And I'll hear that people have to be responsible for their words. (And this includes getting fired for saying "dongle?")
And I know people on both the right and left will think about the times they really would rather like to get someone from the opposite party fired.
But this is going to be affecting all of us, all of us who still dare to speak our minds publicly, and it is actually in all of our best interests to put a stop to this ludicrous Salem Speechcraft Panics.
We should still retain the power to boycott corporations who act against our interests -- in their corporate capacity.
And corporations with an interest in a generally upright image will retain the right to fire people who seriously injure that image with notorious actions of serious moral turpitude.
But people getting fired left and right for simply exercising their basic right to free speech?
Yes, I know company's have the right to do this. But if we keep incentivizing them to do it -- that is, if we keep all the risk on the "Keep Him on the Payroll" side of the ledger, with no downside risk for these ridiculous Salem Witch firings -- we'll have more and more of it until basic company policy will be:
IT IS REQUIRED THAT YOU DO NOT ENGAGE IN ONLINE ARGUMENT OR DISCUSSION OF ANY SENSITIVE ISSUE, AND FURTHER DO NOT ENGAGE IN SUCH DISCUSSIONS IN ANY PUBLIC OR SEMI-PUBLIC VENUE, BUT INSTEAD CONSIDER IT A PART OF YOUR BASIC JOB DUTIES TO REPRESENT YOUR EMPLOYER AS HIS SPOKESMAN IN ANY PUBLIC SETTING WHATSOEVER. FAILURE TO REPRESENT YOUR EMPLOYER AS HE WISHES TO BE REPRESENTED IN EVERY SINGLE MOMENT OF YOUR WAKING LIFE MAY RESULT IN TERMINATION WITHOUT NOTICE.
PlayHaven fired this guy on the hysterical shriek of a Witch-Finder because that is currently the easiest, safest thing to do.
Should it be the easiest, safest thing to do? Or should doing that sort of thing also carry some risks, so that it's not just an Automatic Termination when someone is Accused of Witchcraft?
I believe the latter. And I think we've gone way too far towards the former.
We should not have a regime in which the terror falls on those who speak. We should strongly prefer a regime in which terror should fall -- if terror needs to fall at all, which apparently it always does -- on those who would stop others from speaking.
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Posted by: Lauren at March 26, 2013 01:28 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: tasker at March 26, 2013 01:29 PM (r2PLg)
*squirt*
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2013 01:29 PM (3+QKS)
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Posted by: mallfly at March 26, 2013 01:30 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: ALittleEnglish at March 26, 2013 01:31 PM (lhX9P)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 01:31 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: supercore23 at March 26, 2013 01:31 PM (bwV72)
Posted by: tasker at March 26, 2013 01:31 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: no good deed at March 26, 2013 01:32 PM (mjR67)
the legend is that it was invented by a guy named "Don Gall"
Posted by: mallfly at March 26, 2013 01:32 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: tasker at March 26, 2013 01:33 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at March 26, 2013 01:33 PM (epxV4)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 01:33 PM (QxSug)
Don't we need that info--or no?
Electronic interface. The end of the USB stick you put into the computer is an example.
Oldest joke in the tech industry.
Posted by: Stinky at March 26, 2013 01:33 PM (1SM6Z)
Posted by: Greg Toombs at March 26, 2013 01:33 PM (2xLsT)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 01:34 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 01:34 PM (xMHpX)
Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2013 01:34 PM (XwDPQ)
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 26, 2013 01:34 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: tasker at March 26, 2013 01:34 PM (r2PLg)
Except instead of a spoiled six year old being able to whisk anyone away at will, we have a legion of screeching harpies (of both sexes) who are only too happy to destroy lives because they violated an unwritten tenet of the religion of political correctness.
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 26, 2013 01:35 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 01:35 PM (xMHpX)
3. Snortlaugh quietly. Or is it only me who would have done this?
Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at March 26, 2013 01:35 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: tasker at March 26, 2013 01:35 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Gozerthegozarian at March 26, 2013 01:35 PM (nD2pm)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 01:35 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 01:36 PM (xMHpX)
Posted by: Harry Junk at March 26, 2013 01:36 PM (3+QKS)
Posted by: Lauren at March 26, 2013 01:36 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 01:37 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at March 26, 2013 01:37 PM (fMiHM)
Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2013 01:37 PM (XwDPQ)
Posted by: zsasz at March 26, 2013 01:37 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 26, 2013 01:37 PM (9P+hO)
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 26, 2013 01:37 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: supercore23 at March 26, 2013 01:38 PM (bwV72)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2013 01:38 PM (3+QKS)
OT: Here's some ONT material (should whoever's doing the ONT wish to use it.
In the same situation, I'd have done the same thing: http://preview.tinyurl.com/d4hxekj
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Grumpy Cat goes to War: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ca5qp8y
Posted by: Country Singer at March 26, 2013 01:38 PM (CgcOa)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 01:38 PM (xMHpX)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 01:38 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Hurricano at March 26, 2013 01:38 PM (iwJBJ)
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at March 26, 2013 01:38 PM (QupBk)
Sorry, those responses were for the offended only. I would join you in the snort laughing.
Posted by: no good deed at March 26, 2013 01:38 PM (mjR67)
Posted by: Gozerthegozarian at March 26, 2013 01:38 PM (nD2pm)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 01:39 PM (xMHpX)
Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at March 26, 2013 01:39 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: tasker at March 26, 2013 01:40 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 01:40 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 01:40 PM (QxSug)
There are two words that will describe why employers do this: Civil litigation.
This and the paranoia that started it all: EEOC.
Posted by: Soona at March 26, 2013 01:40 PM (4jKhI)
Posted by: zsasz at March 26, 2013 01:40 PM (MMC8r)
Yep. She's radioactive now in the tech arena. Why hire known problems?
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 26, 2013 01:41 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 01:41 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at March 26, 2013 01:42 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2013 01:42 PM (R4WsQ)
Ace, I recommend that you never go to work for a large corporation. Not only is this not unusual it is common policy everywhere now. In fact at the company I used to work for they told us to not tell ANY jokes, and especially bot in the hearing of women. In fact, any joke that could be considered sexual or racist in nature was grounds for immediate termination.
And you know who is to blame? Lawyers and their stupid "hostile work environment" and the stupid jurors that enable them and also vote for Obama.
Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2013 01:42 PM (53z96)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at March 26, 2013 01:42 PM (fMiHM)
"A technologist or technology evangelist is a person who attempts to build a critical mass of support for a given technology, in order to establish it as a technical standard in a market that is subject to network effects.[1] Professional technology evangelists are often employed by firms who seek to establish their proprietary technologies as de facto standards, or to participate in setting non-proprietary open standards. Non-professional technology evangelists may act out of altruism or self-interest (e.g., to gain the benefits of early adoption or the network effect)."
but no entry for "developer's evangelist". Microsoft, on the other hand, has this: "Come represent Microsoft as a Developer Evangelist. The Developer Evangelist (DE) is a member of the world wide team of Developer Platform Evangelists (DPE) within a subsidiary or district. The overall mission of the DPE is to secure platform adoption and revenue growth through evangelism, community engagement, relationship marketing and a vibrant solutions ecosystem."
http://www.microsoft.com/northafrica/careers/positions/de.htm
Posted by: mallfly at March 26, 2013 01:42 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: tasker at March 26, 2013 01:42 PM (r2PLg)
I hear this a lot. From snotty Leftists.
"Your days of privilege are over. BOW before your betters, you sexist pigs."
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 26, 2013 01:42 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 26, 2013 01:43 PM (9P+hO)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 01:43 PM (xMHpX)
10 or 12 years in the reeducation camps will have you seeing things straight again comrade.
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 26, 2013 01:43 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 01:43 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Mrs. Puffy at March 26, 2013 01:43 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 01:44 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 01:44 PM (QxSug)
But from her history she seems like the type who despite all her Grrrrl! power blather will never ever assert herself in person and contrives to get people in trouble behind their backs. Not a good role model for women. Or men.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 26, 2013 01:44 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Andy at March 26, 2013 01:44 PM (wzrVp)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 01:44 PM (xMHpX)
Yeah, but we can't hurt the feelings of the
I've been the only female engineer at two different companies, and the only thing anyone cared about was if I got my work done on time and correctly without being a bitch about it. Mizz Thang wouldn't last a day.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 26, 2013 01:45 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: no good deed at March 26, 2013 01:45 PM (mjR67)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 26, 2013 01:45 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 01:45 PM (QxSug)
As Ace said, enumerate the position we find ourselves now on so many topics from out of control taxation (some could say that because of the employer collecting those taxes, it makes it easier for the Government to collect. Ditto sales tax, ditto other taxes. Corporate entities either are enticed or coerced to cooperate and they don't spend a lot of time fighting about it unless it's affecting their bottom line) to getting your private emails without a warrant.
If corporate entities are "people" then their should be some means for other people to counter and/or punish them.
This woman is a professional victim. Trained in gender and ethnic studies and just waiting for the chance to shaft someone over an offhand comment. That she took the picture and made no comment about what was said, speaks volumes. That she got fired also is sweet justice but it doesn't redress the violation of the guy who made the comment's rights and put his life back together.
And was it such a vile and vicious hostile workplace environment causing comment? I suggest no. That she grabbed the other comment and put that in says that SHE was the one who had her mind in the gutter.
That people get fired because of what THEY say someone meant by something they said is the biggest tragedy in the US today.
We are no longer the home of the free. Soon we won't be the land of the brave either and we can thank the pusillanimous pipsqueaks like Mike Bloomberg et al for our being in that state.
And of course the Liberal slanted State Media and all the other brain washed deviants the Progressives have produced over the years.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 26, 2013 01:45 PM (Kpn/z)
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 26, 2013 01:45 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: supercore23 at March 26, 2013 01:45 PM (bwV72)
Holy Crap I hate what our society has become. This is just absolutely crazy from beginning to end.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 26, 2013 01:46 PM (IY7Ir)
Employers don't want to get sued.
So...this is what happens.
It's sort of a 'Chicken - Egg' thing; which came first?
Lawsuits...or paranoia about being sued?
Posted by: wheatie at March 26, 2013 01:46 PM (UMBJ2)
ex. David Intersimone of CodeGear(formerly Inprise, formerly Borland). David is one of the best BTW
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 26, 2013 01:46 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2013 01:46 PM (3+QKS)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 26, 2013 01:46 PM (9P+hO)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at March 26, 2013 01:47 PM (fMiHM)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 01:47 PM (LCRYB)
Perfect. That is exactly how she sees herself.
Posted by: pep at March 26, 2013 01:47 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Adria Richards at March 26, 2013 01:47 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 01:48 PM (xMHpX)
Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2013 01:48 PM (R4WsQ)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2013 01:48 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: qualia at March 26, 2013 01:48 PM (XYSwB)
Posted by: clemenza at March 26, 2013 01:48 PM (HMQ8k)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 01:48 PM (QxSug)
This wasn't said to her. She OVERHEARD a couple of jokes that are primarily notable for being so safe.
Yes it was suggestive. And it doesn't matter who he was talking to, if it was audible to other people it qualifies for a "hostile work environment" suit.
If you know anyone who is a human resources officer at a reasonable size company ask them.
And where does it stop? When we implement the Shakespeare directive and hang all the lawyers.
Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2013 01:49 PM (53z96)
Posted by: hey jack! at March 26, 2013 01:49 PM (KHo8t)
Posted by: supercore23 at March 26, 2013 01:50 PM (bwV72)
How do you get that job when you can't even recognize elementary jargon?
*looks at headshot* Oh.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 26, 2013 01:50 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: tasker at March 26, 2013 01:50 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 26, 2013 01:50 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Hurricano at March 26, 2013 01:50 PM (iwJBJ)
Not exactly. Over the last 10 years or so it has become a pretty widely used general purpose language on par with Perl, PHP, Ruby, etc. There are some Eve Online blog posts about their use of Stackless Python that are pretty cutting edge.
Anyway, I'm glad she lost her job too. There are women who work in tech that are good at what they do, and guys in the industry welcome them. Then there are women who work in tech who have a chip on their shoulder but base their career on their possession of a twat and a sense of grievance. Screw them.
Posted by: DanInMN at March 26, 2013 01:50 PM (XqeyF)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 01:50 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: qualia at March 26, 2013 01:51 PM (XYSwB)
>> I know lewd. I work with lewd. Lewd's a friend of mine
Heh. The Jim Wright "Jack Kennedy" line.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at March 26, 2013 01:51 PM (Jm7mj)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2013 01:51 PM (3+QKS)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2013 01:51 PM (R6P8e)
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"I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story...
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"My second comment is this, Adria has an audience and is a successful person of the media. Just check out her web page linked in her twitter account, her hard work and social activism speaks for itself. With that great power and reach comes responsibility."
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I mean, wtf? The harpie gets him fired and yet he gives her effusive praise anyways. Can he be any more of a pussy?
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 26, 2013 01:51 PM (UypUQ)
Posted by: maddogg at March 26, 2013 01:51 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 26, 2013 01:51 PM (9P+hO)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 01:52 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: mallfly at March 26, 2013 01:52 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 01:52 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2013 01:52 PM (5H6zj)
In a former company some harridan complained about the banter between a male employee and an expecting female employee. I don't know what the two said, but they were laughing and joking between themselves.
Ms. Neurotic Harridan fucking overheard their conversation, and was "offended" by something she heard while eavesdropping on the other two, neither of whom had any problem with anything.
This looked to become a BFD until in an outbreak of common sense a senior manager squashed the whole thing.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 01:52 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at March 26, 2013 01:52 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: The Rules at March 26, 2013 01:52 PM (wsGWu)
I work with a woman who has made the latter part of her scientific career by caterwauling about how unfair science is to women. She's been feted in every imaginable venue, but still carries on, and demands Title 9 for women scientists. Really.
Anyway, in our meetings, she insisted on using the coarsest possible profanity. Were I to use those words, I would be instantly dismissed. I complained to our mutual boss, not because I really cared, but just because I wanted to teach her a lesson. She did eventually stop.
Posted by: pep at March 26, 2013 01:52 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 01:53 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2013 01:53 PM (Io7hX)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 01:53 PM (QxSug)
you miss the point.
This isn't about her being upset.
...
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 05:48 PM (QxSug)
No - I was pointing how a normal reasonable person would have handled this.
Clearly she's not one and she loves teh drama and victimhood.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 26, 2013 01:54 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2013 01:54 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 26, 2013 01:54 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Prescient11 at March 26, 2013 01:54 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: qualia at March 26, 2013 01:54 PM (XYSwB)
That by itself makes them virtually unfireable. But it still boils back to the lawyers who enabled this.
Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2013 01:54 PM (53z96)
I'd have gone all Marion Barry on her and started screaming "bitch set me up".
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 26, 2013 01:55 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 01:55 PM (LCRYB)
This, I know a few liberals that will always point it out. The 1st amendment protects you from the govt. not your employer. Kind of like their silently threatening people.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 26, 2013 01:55 PM (NzBQO)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 01:55 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 26, 2013 01:55 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2013 01:55 PM (Io7hX)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 26, 2013 01:55 PM (aDwsi)
Most likely if it had been a senior developer or something, he would've turned to them and said "guys this isn't the place for those kinds of conversations" and probably that's where it would've stopped with the two talkers chastised and silent and the senior having exerted leadership and discipline.
But no, she chose to climb up on her vagina and away she went. She even jumped to conclusions beyond what was overt because she apparently has a hair trigger when it comes to anything sexual.
I note that she appears to be of some ethnicity which may or may not have sensitized her to these types of comments and they certainly would've led her in college to associate with those that are perpetual victims with hair trigger responses to words that even barely approach having a sexual or derogatory connotation.
(can you say niggardly, or black holes?) Or any other of the words that have induced ignorant reactions by the perpetually aggrieved.
The Race and Feminist Baiting Industry is a despicable and mean group and this shows they're responsible for more than just what they stir up by themselves.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 26, 2013 01:56 PM (Kpn/z)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 01:56 PM (QxSug)
A lot of "communication" communicates nothing more than I'm Better, This Is My Tribe, I Win This Primate-Level Social Gambit, etc.
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 05:52 PM (LCRYB)
I think it all comes down to "Look at me."
Fredo Corleone said it best: "I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!"
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 01:56 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Muttaween at March 26, 2013 01:56 PM (zKyAE)
All of this is the utter destruction of the concept of privacy and the logical outcome of the personal is political. If every single solitary thing I do and think and buy and eat and everything else is a political statement, then it is only fair for those who oppose my politics to attack me when and wherever they can, including through my employer.
I will refer to my prior comments on this matter as to my opinion of what a shrieking harridan such as she means for modern "feminism".
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at March 26, 2013 01:56 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 01:57 PM (xMHpX)
I will join you on this Ace. I will say that the courts and juries and lack of "loser pays" in lawsuits also gives excuse to coward companies to be a-holes.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 26, 2013 01:57 PM (IY7Ir)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 01:57 PM (LCRYB)
It says right here in the Constitution (yeah, that old thing) that we all have freedom of speech, except at work.
Right Here!!!11!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 26, 2013 01:58 PM (+z4pE)
Posted by: Hopeless at March 26, 2013 01:58 PM (M3WNi)
Posted by: supercore23
Cockpunch: Companies hire humans not automatons. Automatons can be billboard perfect representatives all day long. Humans cannot be and shouldn't be held to that standard.
Further, this is the heckler's veto with a side of victimocracy. She wasn't party to the conversation but decided it had to be shutdown because she's Offended™!
Guess what, snowflakes. At some point in your life you will offend someone else. Your career shouldn't be blown up because of other people's momentary fits of pique.
Get over yourselves.
Oh, and this:
“Women in technology need consistant [sic] messaging from birth through retirement they are welcome, competent and valued in the industry,”
Poor dears, they need constant reassurance and head pats because they are just shrinking violets of a lesser gender.
Fuck that noise. You want to be seen as a competent professional? Then don't act like a child.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 26, 2013 01:58 PM (UCv7P)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2013 01:58 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: qualia at March 26, 2013 01:58 PM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Soothsayer at March 26, 2013 01:58 PM (OZ9Xn)
Posted by: tasker at March 26, 2013 01:59 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Ian S. at March 26, 2013 01:59 PM (OevbG)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 01:59 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2013 01:59 PM (3+QKS)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2013 01:59 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Bigby's OK at March 26, 2013 01:59 PM (SdfnP)
When I was in academia, and for my sins dean, I once received a phone call (at 8 am on Saturday, no less) from a Valkyrie who ranted to me about ... the lack of respect shown women in the graffiti in a men's restroom. Imagine.
I heard out, then told her I appreciated her editorial assistance in this regard, and would give the matter all the attention it deserved.
(I restrained the impulse to ask how she came to find herself in the mens' restroom.)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 02:00 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:00 PM (QxSug)
I'm ashamed of today's American business, especially the large corporations, who ALWAYS go along with the Left's silliness so's not to make waves.
Posted by: Soothsayer at March 26, 2013 05:58 PM
============
When you find yourself in one of these circumstances, it is much cheaper to settle, always. The freaking blood-sucking-bottom-feeding tort lawyers know that, thus they file frivolous suits like mad.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 26, 2013 02:01 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 02:01 PM (xMHpX)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at March 26, 2013 02:01 PM (nZvGM)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 26, 2013 02:01 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2013 02:01 PM (bR2AR)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:01 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2013 02:01 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: zsasz at March 26, 2013 02:02 PM (MMC8r)
Also, even though it is a government entity, there is no freedom of speech at school either. The courts have made a carve-out for schools. For the children you know.
Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2013 02:02 PM (53z96)
Posted by: Soothsayer at March 26, 2013 02:02 PM (0nyYS)
Posted by: PJ at March 26, 2013 02:03 PM (ZWaLo)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 26, 2013 02:04 PM (c+TlF)
I resent the living fuck out of sharing a demographic category with this blithering scrunt.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 26, 2013 02:04 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:04 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2013 02:04 PM (bR2AR)
Posted by: Soothsayer at March 26, 2013 02:04 PM (hA+ft)
Soooo.... female comes into a predominantly Male workplace...
Does not feel included.... so to force inclusion, forces them to change... even unto not telling Jokes.
Why does the sound like the 1980's US Navy?
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 26, 2013 02:04 PM (lZBBB)
It's someone who promises you blissful, fulfilling software, then masturbates on prostitutes at seedy motels.
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2013 02:04 PM (3+QKS)
Go on welfare. You don't even have to pee in a cup to collect.
However, to stay gainfully employed, pee here >>>
Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2013 02:05 PM (d0Dmj)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:05 PM (QxSug)
He confessed, and apparently ceded that it was "inappropriate." So basically, fuck that guy.
But still. Least bad person in the story, which isn't about what a pussy he is.
The deep-down shut-up-about-it fact here (ignoring all of Ace's broader points, which are good) is that any field where women are "represented" will be purged of nerds. And the womynists' current nerd-purge targets are "science," "technology," and the extra-professional "spaces" where dorks freely congregate and network (video game tournaments, atheist conventions, Reddit, etc.).
So in a century or so, Americans will be pushing Flintstones cars around while the Muslims colonize Europa...if this arrow on my chart is accurate. But our "scientists" will be exquisitely sensitive Brad Pitt-looking dullards, so...progress.
Posted by: oblig. at March 26, 2013 02:05 PM (cePv8)
Crabs would rather make babies and work "socially rewarding" jobs than spend sixty+ hours a week trapped in a cube farm with a bunch of autistic-spectrum guys?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 26, 2013 02:06 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: supercore23
Based on the comments she actually quoted they might be a 3 at best on the Offense Scale. This was really pretty tepid stuff that wasn't even addressed to her. I'd be more upset if they were talking loud enough that she couldn't hear the speaker - that's just rude and more public than a few stupid comments.
Whatever happened to the stern talking to?
That seemed to take care of a lot of problems back in the day before everyone became neurotic about producing some kind of documentation during a lawsuit discovery.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 26, 2013 02:06 PM (pAlYe)
173 My guess,she went in there to find the grafitti so she could complain about it.
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2013 06:01 PM (9XBK2)
Of course.
She was on the warpath all the time anyway. This wasn't her debut by any means.
In all seriousness, I think she had serious (and I do mean serious) mental problems, and therefore decided it best to humor a little (at least superficially - I'm sure she took my meaning, but I was careful not to say anything quotable. I mean, I said I'd give it the attention it deserved, didn't I?) rather than stir the soup.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 02:06 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2013 02:07 PM (bR2AR)
The tech industry you must understand, is one of the last strongholds of whiteness, whether it be of the liberal, libertarian or crankish reactionary sort.
Posted by: RiverC at March 26, 2013 02:07 PM (El+h4)
Posted by: wooga, has a big dongle at March 26, 2013 02:07 PM (Wuxic)
However, to stay gainfully employed, pee here >>>
Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2013 06:05 PM (d0Dmj)
I was subject to random drug and alcohol testing the last 10 or 15 years I worked. And if I tested positive it was required by law that I be blacklisted from the industry for at least 5 years. In reality I would have been permanently blacklisted.
Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2013 02:07 PM (53z96)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 26, 2013 02:07 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:07 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 02:07 PM (LRFds)
My wife, who used to run internet security for a company, and I had sent over this story said "Good Lord, dongle jokes have been around since the 1990's."
She also said this gal's comment about being coddled from birth to retirement is what gives women a bad name.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 26, 2013 02:08 PM (IY7Ir)
Posted by: qualia at March 26, 2013 02:08 PM (XYSwB)
@74...the article he forwarded about the joke urinals...perfectly normal mainstream humor
*******
ISWYDT
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 26, 2013 02:08 PM (p8Mda)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 26, 2013 02:09 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: tasker at March 26, 2013 02:09 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 26, 2013 02:09 PM (c+TlF)
Posted by: qualia at March 26, 2013 02:09 PM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 26, 2013 02:09 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 26, 2013 02:10 PM (/kI1Q)
Btw, the graffiti editor cited above on another occasion complained to me that her male coworkers were civil to her in the workplace, but shunned her like the plague after hours. And this after she'd been so assiduous in helping to correct them for any politically incorrect speech.
She seemed to think they would appreciate this. Seriously. I looked at her the way people look at Ted Koppel's hair.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 02:10 PM (IDSI7)
1692 - WITCH!
1950 - COMMUNIST!
Today - RACIST!
Posted by: Beorn at March 26, 2013 02:10 PM (dGF4J)
Posted by: Soothsayer at March 26, 2013 02:10 PM (SljXf)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 26, 2013 02:11 PM (c+TlF)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:11 PM (QxSug)
http://tinyurl.com/d6gw5vg
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 26, 2013 02:11 PM (lVPtV)
I have decided when the magic day comes that my family no longer lives at the whim of an idiot box I am probably going to try to divorce myself from the idiot box stream...
the internet was once a force for good...no shit...
you could get help with school work, share opinions, and made cogent points...
you know what my first "thing" was online?
I helped tweak the orders of battle for Steel Panthers from the now sadly defunct SSI gaming company....
God I miss how wild and free the net used to be.
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 02:11 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Cameo Appearance at March 26, 2013 02:11 PM (CDDDE)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 26, 2013 02:11 PM (xKC/c)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 26, 2013 02:12 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Lizzy at March 26, 2013 02:12 PM (KqmXZ)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 02:12 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Serena Southerland - Asst. DA, NYC at March 26, 2013 02:13 PM (9P+hO)
http://tinyurl.com/d6gw5vg
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Oh. My. God.
That really is the kind of information you should keep to yourself.
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2013 02:13 PM (3+QKS)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:14 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: qualia at March 26, 2013 02:15 PM (XYSwB)
If your code of conduct says "don't ever say anything unkind or that might be interpreted as inappropriate," it *will* be violated, *period*.
The problem with this, of course, is that it requires the speaker to anticipate the reaction not only of the person to whom he's speaking, but of anyone potentially within earshot as well. The offense isn't in the deed intrinsically or in the intent, it's in the perspective of anyone overhearing the comment.
Crazy.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 02:15 PM (IDSI7)
this is like my seven toes on my left foot isn't it Dr Spank?
Just, no, no sven...no
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 02:15 PM (LRFds)
1. The conversation did not include the offended individual.
2. The language concerned was "forking" and "dongle" employers should be thrilled that an A and B conversation used such reserved language if the topic was in fact sexuality.
3. You cannot expect any human to maintain a 100% decorum in all conversations avoiding all possible taboo subjects like he was running for public office. No personal connections with other people would ever get made and the social aspect of gathering people together would be lost.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 26, 2013 02:16 PM (0q2P7)
http://tinyurl.com/d6ve9ht
Posted by: Miss Marple at March 26, 2013 02:16 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 26, 2013 02:16 PM (9P+hO)
I for one, am sick and tired of whining wimmenses. Anyone with me?
Ever since "women's lib" began in the 70's - and I'm referring to modern day stuff, not suffragettes or female freedom fighters throughout history - I've believed that the best way to acquire respect is to earn it and be worthy of it. This sad little girl is not worthy of respect.
Posted by: disa at March 26, 2013 02:16 PM (R+h7Q)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:16 PM (QxSug)
Oh, this is good.
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/03/dont_hate_her_because_shes_suc.html
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 26, 2013 02:17 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 26, 2013 02:17 PM (T0NGe)
Good Lord. They're computer people which, by definition, is to say undersexed nerds. Google it! Innies and outies is all they think about as they figure out how to acquire and distribute Pr0n in the most efficient manner. I mean "dongle"? Everyone was thinking it.
What's the next offensive metaphor? Do you want cream in your coffee? Do you need toner for that Xerox? Is that a penis in your pants or are you just glad to see me? Some people will see offense in anything.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 26, 2013 02:17 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2013 02:17 PM (9XBK2)
the whole American culture has devolved into a passive aggressive EMO angst driven mess....
Imagine "Every Which Way But Loose" being made today....
you can't because in this America you don't go bawling you go bawling
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 02:17 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 26, 2013 02:18 PM (9P+hO)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:18 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: qualia at March 26, 2013 02:19 PM (XYSwB)
@TheSportsBrain lolz! and very Sheldon-like of you to ask Mike!
Ok, so she watches The Big Bang.
No sexual innuendo on that show, right? Right?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 26, 2013 02:19 PM (UCv7P)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 02:19 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 26, 2013 02:20 PM (T0NGe)
She deliberately made it public. She wanted that to be a public statement of who she was. She wanted to be noticed. She got noticed.
These guys were trying to fly under the radar, hence the use of euphemism. They did not want, seek, nor really invite attention.
There is a different bar for what you say screaming at the top of your lungs atop a soapbox and something someone overheard you say to someone else.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 26, 2013 02:20 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Cameo Appearance at March 26, 2013 06:11 PM (CDDDE)
There's a pretty big difference between making some barely tasteless comments in a private conversation that was overheard and taking a picture of yourself being an asshole at Arlington Cemetery and then posting it on Facebook for all to see.
The second is a far larger indicator of terminal bad judgment that the first.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 26, 2013 02:20 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 02:20 PM (xMHpX)
I could not find what State this guy worked in, but if it is a right to work State he can be fired at any time for any reason as long as it doesn't violate any federal protected specie codes. And it appears he was a white male so he was shit out of luck.
Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2013 02:21 PM (53z96)
There is a different bar for what you say screaming at the top of your lungs atop a soapbox and something someone overheard you say to someone else.
Yep. They should've fired her for eavesdropping, and publicly repeating a private conversation without permission. Privacy policy!
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 02:21 PM (IDSI7)
The biggest prude in my office is a guy.
He doesn't like "dirty bits" ("dirty" and "bits" are terms of art, like "dongle"). When we talk about the bug with the dirty bits he he gets all cringey and shuddery and begs for us to call them something different.
I thought he was going to stroke out when a colleague suggested we rename them "naughty bits."
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 26, 2013 02:21 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: zsasz at March 26, 2013 02:22 PM (auzAW)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 26, 2013 02:22 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2013 05:48 PM (9XBK2)
How about reserving some bile for the idiot legislators who write these bullshit discrimination laws? I defend these cases in California regularly (I'm defending six "workplace stress" crap cases right now) where our legislators work tirelessly to drive out the last few businesses that are still stupid enough to operate in this state. As bad as things are now, they still keep coming up with new laws to harass business, all in the name of "protecting" the helpless employee.
They've protected employees right out of employment in more cases than I can count. It's mind-boggling.
Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at March 26, 2013 02:22 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 26, 2013 02:23 PM (p8Mda)
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 06:22 PM (LRFds)
We are already a minority in some areas but we will always be the "oppressor".
Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2013 02:23 PM (53z96)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 26, 2013 02:23 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 06:20 PM (xMHpX)
Btw, I'm mortally offended by your handle, which does not show proper respect for women, or heavenly bodies, much less when the two coincide.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 02:23 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 26, 2013 02:24 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2013 02:24 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at March 26, 2013 02:24 PM (wR+pz)
My son will have to pay for the sins of his great grandpappy...
and I can't blame Muslims for 9/11...
yeah no cognitive disconnects at all on the left...
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 02:25 PM (LRFds)
I don't know about CA but here in SC almost everyone of these laws is coming from the feds and the EEOC.
Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2013 02:25 PM (53z96)
Posted by: The Bug With the Dirty Bits at March 26, 2013 02:25 PM (LCRYB)
Ace,
Your employer has the right to fire you for public conduct. Free speech isnt free of consequences and making dongle jokes and carrying on at a profesional conference can lead to a firing. Also, sure harpies are everywhere and her actions also have consequences and no one is ever going to listen to her either. But in this day and age for someone to think that making conference wide sex jokes isnt going to get repeated is well - a moron. Guys I know with three kids and a ton of responsibilities usually try not to do things to put them out on the street. Yes it is a crutch on the old free speech thing ut I have disagred with the policies of my employers, hell with the whole industry but that - need to pay the mortgage, and the tuition thingy got in the way of me being edgy cool
Posted by: EPWJ at March 26, 2013 02:25 PM (DkXQB)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2013 02:25 PM (3+QKS)
Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2013 02:26 PM (S4AQU)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:26 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 26, 2013 02:26 PM (ZPrif)
That seemed to take care of a lot of problems back in the day before everyone became neurotic about producing some kind of documentation during a lawsuit discovery.
bear in mind that she herself didn't ask for them to be fired. She did do the passive-aggressive (actually just aggressive-asshole-aggressive) I'm Putting You on Twitter thing, but it was this company that decided that Speechcraft can't be tolerated.
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 06:12 PM (LCRYB)
Understood and I was referring to the guys' company as well.
But I also bet that if they hadn't been fired, she would have complained about there being no consequences for brutes behaving badly at tech conferences.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 26, 2013 02:27 PM (pAlYe)
Despite my borderline sleeve.
Can't be helped; one arm is two inches longer than the other.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 26, 2013 02:27 PM (/kI1Q)
What about the guy who did his thing against the Chik-fil-A employee? I think he made his comments on his Facebook page, not on any company website. And he was dismissed. Does he deserve his job back? With a bonus?
For consistencies sake, ya' know.
By the way, I thought his actions were deplorable, as a private citizen.
On the opposite side, the two women who dissed the Tomb of the Unknowns were in DC as part of their organization. Their visit to the Tomb was personal time, but they wouldn't have been there except for the event they were sent there for.
Inquiring minds, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 26, 2013 02:27 PM (1u46z)
by then they'll be controlled by ten million guys named Juan...
Hell I ought to shut up they may walk us into nuclear tests...
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 02:27 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:28 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: zsasz at March 26, 2013 02:28 PM (mmub7)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 26, 2013 02:28 PM (ZPrif)
...Right? Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
For a fee he will.
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2013 02:28 PM (3+QKS)
Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2013 02:29 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: ace risks the wrath of Adria but he really digs Kristen Dunst now at March 26, 2013 02:29 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:29 PM (QxSug)
In a tort case. All attempts to settle are made part of the court record but kept private. In the case the plaintiff does not prevail, the negotiating attorney or the person themselves if they are representing themselves is responsible to pay 1/2 the recorded offer for settlement to the defendant.
That will give the defendants some motivation to fight the bullsh*t and the plaintiffs to be f*king reasonable.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 26, 2013 02:29 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2013 02:30 PM (R4WsQ)
Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2013 02:30 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2013 02:30 PM (9XBK2)
Haven't read most of the comments, but did anyone ask why the dudes didn't just deny deny deny?
Better to claim she misheard, in case someone comes up with a cell phone recording or something.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 02:30 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 26, 2013 02:30 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Last name Lewinsky at March 26, 2013 02:30 PM (mwp5i)
Posted by: Guy That Likes Boobehs at March 26, 2013 02:30 PM (i7B17)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:30 PM (QxSug)
264...How about reserving some bile for the idiot legislators who write these bullshit discrimination laws?
Yep, they contribute to the insanity, for sure.
But then, a lot of 'laws' are created without any legislation at all...when a lawyer wins a case and a new Precedent is established.
Posted by: wheatie at March 26, 2013 02:30 PM (UMBJ2)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 02:30 PM (LCRYB)
In California, Title VII isn't burdensome enough. We have the CA Fair Employment and Housing Act (FEHA) which is much more stringent in many ways than Title VII. Except in very unusual cases, almost no employee sues under Title VII here.
Same with wage and hour claims. The feds have the Fair Labor Standards Act which is bad enough, but California substitutes its own Labor Code with even more punitive provisions than the feds.
I regularly tell my clients to move as much of their business out of state as they can.
Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at March 26, 2013 02:31 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 02:31 PM (xMHpX)
Posted by: tasker at March 26, 2013 02:31 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 26, 2013 02:31 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:32 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 02:33 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at March 26, 2013 02:33 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at March 26, 2013 06:01 PM (nZvGM)
THIS.
Thank you. I've made mention of this once or twice and got some push back claiming that the hiring policies don't come from HR they come from Corporate or some such and don't be so hard on the HR scrunts.
Sorry, NO. The domination of HR has stultified the hiring of innovative and out of the box thinkers in all areas of commerce.
Those type of people will usually not have followed the approved path and have the accreditation or referenced experience to be hired by those who have learned the current mode of hiring.
It seems that hiring is done these days with the eye mainly on not hiring any problems whatsoever and this automatically will wind up being a sort for the mediocre.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 26, 2013 02:33 PM (Kpn/z)
Posted by: tasker at March 26, 2013 02:34 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 26, 2013 02:34 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 02:34 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:34 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 26, 2013 06:24 PM (ZPrif)
Aryan = Iran
Posted by: Ook? at March 26, 2013 02:34 PM (OQpzc)
It'd be nice if being a Lawyer meant you had a one in 50 chance of being a live sacrifice...
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 02:34 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2013 02:34 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 26, 2013 02:35 PM (eHIJJ)
The domination of HR has stultified the hiring of innovative and out of the box thinkers in all areas of commerce.
HR apparatchiks ~ school teachers, the shock troops of the leftists.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 02:35 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 26, 2013 02:36 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2013 02:36 PM (R4WsQ)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:36 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Fritz at March 26, 2013 02:36 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 26, 2013 02:37 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:37 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at March 26, 2013 02:37 PM (zZJJp)
And their lawyers have unlimited resources that you pay for.
Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2013 02:37 PM (53z96)
Posted by: Ook? at March 26, 2013 02:38 PM (OQpzc)
Pimp your stupidity on the net and there will be consequences.
The 1st amendment does NOT guarantee freedom from consequences.
She got fired too, so the Ying/Yang remain in balance.
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 26, 2013 02:38 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:38 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 26, 2013 02:39 PM (0q2P7)
The rest of these people, I don't care. No, nobody should get fired for a dumb joke, but it's 2013 people. If you are telling "dongle" jokes in public, around strangers who can hear you, you're an idiot.
Is it fair? I don't care. You're an idiot.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2013 02:39 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2013 02:39 PM (R4WsQ)
My last name is Italian, but isn't common and could be easily mistaken as Spanish. I should start claiming I'm hispanic
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 26, 2013 02:40 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: qualia at March 26, 2013 02:40 PM (XYSwB)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:40 PM (QxSug)
Otherwise, they're just leftist screeching bullies
Posted by: kbdabear at March 26, 2013 02:40 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 02:40 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 26, 2013 02:40 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 02:42 PM (QxSug)
I'm about as straight-laced as they come. I'm an old white church-going woman from fly-over country, and I gotta say, this girl needs to toughen up. I've heard worse remarks at church potlucks.
Now that she's out of a job, maybe she should apply with the Army. I hear they're hiring Weeping Wandas for combat infantry now.
Posted by: Job 38 at March 26, 2013 02:42 PM (P6QsQ)
"latino Ese, you chinga gringo...."
you'll get nominated to SCotUS if you cross dress...
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 02:42 PM (LRFds)
My last name is Italian, but isn't common and could be easily mistaken as Spanish. I should start claiming I'm hispanic
Damn, my surname is classic English (not Smith or Jones, but not far off). I guess I'm going to have start working on a lisp.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 02:42 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 26, 2013 02:42 PM (bxiXv)
She can now be the new Julia for OFA.
Posted by: Robert Downey Jr. at March 26, 2013 02:43 PM (8/N91)
Posted by: mama winger at March 26, 2013 02:43 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 02:43 PM (LCRYB)
We'd call it Juris Games. Two lawyers from each state in a televised fight to the death, survivor style. The winning lawyer gets eligibility for the federal bench.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 26, 2013 02:43 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2013 02:43 PM (3+QKS)
Posted by: The Rules at March 26, 2013 02:43 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 02:44 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Kristen Dunst can sing! at March 26, 2013 02:44 PM (r2PLg)
it's possible this Adria chick is hot
No, it isn't. If she were hot, would she have done this? She'd get all the attention she wanted without having to pull this crap.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 02:44 PM (IDSI7)
I'm not calling you an idiot, Ace, I'm talking about people who tell sex jokes in public around strangers. If you (meaning the people telling such jokes, not YOU Ace) are telling these jokes, in this climate, you're an idiot, and you (again, NOT YOU, Ace, the one telling the joke) deserve whatever the scary speech witches do to you.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2013 02:45 PM (BeSEI)
Sounds like you're fading fast.
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 26, 2013 02:45 PM (3+QKS)
Posted by: Kristen Dunst can sing! at March 26, 2013 02:45 PM (r2PLg)
Yeah or since a JD is evidently license to fuck over civilization just a simple Soylent Green lottery one lawyer per state per annum gets killed.
Period end of story.
"Renew! Renew!"
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 02:45 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 02:45 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 26, 2013 02:46 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2013 02:46 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Kristen Dunst can sing! at March 26, 2013 02:46 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Lauren at March 26, 2013 02:46 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at March 26, 2013 02:47 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 02:47 PM (LCRYB)
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Maybe she's related to Sandra Fluke.
Posted by: mama winger at March 26, 2013 02:47 PM (P6QsQ)
it's like a game of virtual hostage...
hell the guy ought to sue the bitch.
Hell maybe I should get my JD and start suing the retards gratis...
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 02:47 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 26, 2013 02:47 PM (IY7Ir)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 26, 2013 02:47 PM (JDIKC)
I'll take other people's word for it, but like I said, I was basing it on a tiny reproduction of her twitter pic, and I'm always willing to give a hot chick the benefit of the doubt.
Over, say for example, the Ewoks in the pic she took.
But only if she's hot.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2013 02:48 PM (BeSEI)
Careful ace. Down that road are black ninja outfits, rubber padded ladders and restraining orders.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 26, 2013 02:48 PM (Kpn/z)
Posted by: wooga, has a big dongle at March 26, 2013 02:48 PM (Wuxic)
Posted by: Kristen Dunst can sing! at March 26, 2013 02:49 PM (r2PLg)
We'd call it Juris Games. Two lawyers from each state in a televised fight to the death, survivor style.
Two lawyers enter, one lawyer leaves! Two lawyers enter, one lawyer leaves!
The winning lawyer gets eligibility for the federal bench.
For which we have another round.
Two lawyers enter, one lawyer leaves!
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 02:49 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: CAC at March 26, 2013 02:49 PM (mii+Z)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 02:49 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2013 02:49 PM (9XBK2)
The guys were idiots for making those jokes in a public forum.
The woman was an idiot... well she's generally an idiot.
The problem, of course, is like many of the other problems in society: the traditional behaviors that we were taught have been all but washed away by the left, which encourages narcissism and shock value. Upsetting the squares is a badge of honor, right up until you cross some imaginary line and offend the wrong protected class. Once that happens the power of the state comes into play because the traditional method of shaming and social isolation are no longer available.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 26, 2013 02:50 PM (lr3d7)
Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2013 06:41 PM (R4WsQ)
If you are talking about the EEOC those limits are dependent on who is in office. I hear they are running roughshod over everyone now and have declared criminal background checks are now ripe ground for civil action.
Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2013 02:50 PM (53z96)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 02:51 PM (xMHpX)
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2013 02:51 PM (LCRYB)
So in a century or so, Americans will be pushing Flintstones cars around while the Muslims colonize Europa...if this arrow on my chart is accurate. But our "scientists" will be exquisitely sensitive Brad Pitt-looking dullards, so...progress.
Posted by: oblig. at March 26, 2013 06:05 PM (cePv
I never thought about that way before but you are right, and that scares the shit out of me.
nerds, I have new found respect for them.
Posted by: Shoey at March 26, 2013 02:51 PM (jdOk/)
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at March 26, 2013 02:51 PM (i7B17)
Then I just dongled her right back and all is sorta balancing in part of the world.
Posted by: Karma The Bitch at March 26, 2013 02:51 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Kwisten Dunst at March 26, 2013 02:51 PM (3+QKS)
(DE) is a member of the world wide team of Developer Platform Evangelists (DPE)
within a subsidiary or district. The
overall mission of the DPE is to secure platform adoption and revenue growth
through evangelism, community engagement, relationship marketing and a vibrant
solutions ecosystem."
Oh......"bullshit artist".
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 26, 2013 02:51 PM (TIIx5)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2013 02:52 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Jean at March 26, 2013 02:52 PM (7PjX7)
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See, this I don't get. Why is what they said not suitable for public? And it was only semi-public to begin with - a private conversation between two guys sitting on some folding chairs in Ballroom 3 of the Ramada Inn.
Uh oh - I said Ballroom. Fire me !!!
Posted by: mama winger at March 26, 2013 02:53 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2013 02:53 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 26, 2013 02:53 PM (JDIKC)
Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2013 02:54 PM (5H6zj)
Whatever happened to the stern talking to?
That seemed to take care of a lot of problems back in the day before everyone became neurotic about producing some kind of documentation during a lawsuit discovery.
It's all because of the lawyers, as has been said. There was also a time when two guys could have a disagreement, throw a couple punches and then have a beer afterward. Not anymore. Now it's assault charges and a lawsuit and the next thing you know, you can't own any guns, cause you're a felon. All because of lawyers. Again.
Posted by: LGoPs at March 26, 2013 02:54 PM (4x8W0)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 26, 2013 02:54 PM (S7KLd)
Posted by: Lauren at March 26, 2013 02:55 PM (wsGWu)
"You wouldn't happen to know who ransacked my..."medicine cabinet" and left hair all over the place, would you? "
Medicine cabinet? So that's what they're calling it nowadays.
Posted by: harleycowboy at March 26, 2013 02:55 PM (yfeAd)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2013 02:55 PM (9XBK2)
Maybe you're right. I've been working in a politically correct environment for so long that I'm conditioned, I guess. But I was saying this back in 1990whatever when Clarence Thomas was being lynched for the Anita Hill nonsense. Which is to say, you haven't learned by now what the corporate (and government office) world is like? You don't know the environment well enough to know that if there are harpies present, and they have the power to "report" you or fire you, you're going to get fired for stupid, silly, HARMLESS jokes?
You will. And no, it's not fair. But it's the world in which we live.
So yeah, now I wish I had been joking, because I'm boring myself with this line of thought.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2013 02:55 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: Ian S. at March 26, 2013 02:56 PM (OevbG)
Posted by: CAC at March 26, 2013 02:56 PM (mii+Z)
Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at March 26, 2013 02:56 PM (zZJJp)
My dad was a barroom brawler par excellence...no shit I watched him dismantle three guys for implying my brother looked like a star wars alien so he beat their asses....
they were cool the next week...
the 70s were a time where men were men.
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 02:56 PM (LRFds)
God made man but the internet made them equal?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 26, 2013 02:57 PM (Kpn/z)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RvNS7JfcMM
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2013 02:57 PM (9XBK2)
That's just emphasis. We could use more of that style profanity
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 26, 2013 02:57 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 02:57 PM (xMHpX)
Next you're going to have to fire every employ who's ever worked at Siemens.
No wonder Focke-Wulf no longer exists.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 02:57 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2013 02:57 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: CAC at March 26, 2013 02:58 PM (mii+Z)
http://is.gd/MZ0kt3
Posted by: Vic at March 26, 2013 02:59 PM (53z96)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 03:00 PM (xMHpX)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2013 03:00 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 26, 2013 03:00 PM (JDIKC)
they don't need to if John McCain and Lindsay Grammy finally come out of the closet do they?
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 03:00 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2013 03:00 PM (9XBK2)
And the sheep were skeered.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 26, 2013 03:00 PM (Kpn/z)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 03:01 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky loves Florida Gulf Coast Eagles at March 26, 2013 03:01 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2013 03:01 PM (GEICT)
You can try to be funny and fall flat on your face...and still have a job the next day. One of the things we use to say to harpies like this is "Take a Mydol and go lie down."
Posted by: Paladin at March 26, 2013 03:02 PM (cyCB9)
Drive a 2.5Ghz CPU to its knees shrieking in agony.
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 26, 2013 03:02 PM (/gHaE)
They still respect me in the old neighborhood because I offered to kill a 17 year old who wouldn't leave my sister alone when I was 11ish....
with a nice 7 inch knife in my right hand.
When men are allowed to be men and boys men in training society has built in guard rails that sort of prevent a lot of this passive aggressive shit.
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 03:02 PM (LRFds)
What part of "private conversation the scrunt overheard" are you having trouble understanding. Or are you, yourself a scrunt?
Posted by: Gman at March 26, 2013 03:02 PM (UkbKS)
NO.
Because he made fun of an employee doing her job under stress and looked like a dick doing it. He then POSTED THE VIDEO for all to see thus exposing his company to scrutiny.
And himself for his dickishness and poor judgment.
I know I wouldn't give someone like that control of my finances. Who knows what shit they might decide to do next time?
Buy Cypriot bank futures?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 26, 2013 03:03 PM (Kpn/z)
ugh, not even being a computer nerd, this does make me blood boil.
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 26, 2013 05:37 PM (QxSug)
Judging by the behavior, I doubt the ability of this woman to "compete". If you've got the goods, you don't need to make mountains out of mole hills.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 26, 2013 03:03 PM (sGtp+)
Posted by: Y-not at March 26, 2013 03:03 PM (5H6zj)
No shit this is EoJ Hotel Hellion....
"what do you mean we need a new matress because of the blood? Flip the f***ing thing over problem solved..."
run like hell
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 03:03 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: zsasz at March 26, 2013 03:03 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 03:04 PM (xMHpX)
Posted by: What is important in news today at March 26, 2013 03:04 PM (baL2B)
Art: Something impressively non-functional and expensive as hell. Bonus points for any technical difficulty.
Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at March 26, 2013 03:05 PM (8ZskC)
I can honestly say I have never uttered the word "harpy" out loud, in public, but do feel a certain, special something in my pants at being able to type it here.
Harpy.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 26, 2013 03:05 PM (BeSEI)
My dad was a barroom brawler par excellence...no shit I watched him dismantle three guys for implying my brother looked like a star wars alien so he beat their asses....
they were cool the next week...
the 70s were a time where men were men.
My incident over Thanksgiving ended up costing me $1200 in lawyers fees plus several days off from work and a reinvestigation. All of this so that I would end up agreeing to take some anger management classes and pay for the cost of cleaning a carpet stained in the brawl. You know, things I would have done anyways if my friends had simply asked me. Hell, they wouldn't have had to ask about the carpets.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 26, 2013 03:05 PM (lr3d7)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 26, 2013 03:06 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Donald Fagan at March 26, 2013 03:06 PM (r4v64)
Deny, deny, deny. Never confess to anything.
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 26, 2013 03:06 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: Drewbicle at March 26, 2013 03:07 PM (A5748)
Posted by: the bearded UNIX god at March 26, 2013 03:08 PM (j3uk1)
Yes. Management stinkeye.
Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at March 26, 2013 03:09 PM (8ZskC)
Well, you probably already can. Most white people are not "Anglo".
The Anglo-Saxons are just one of many European tribes.
Posted by: sandy burger at March 26, 2013 03:09 PM (+yb/5)
Due process is for closers.Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 26, 2013 03:09 PM (bxiXv)
Appreciate that for what it is, a static thing of beauty. You don't want to see my performance art...
Posted by: SMOD at March 26, 2013 03:09 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: Stalin at March 26, 2013 03:09 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at March 26, 2013 03:10 PM (Hvsud)
The Anglo-Saxons are just one of many European tribes.
Stop lumping us in with the fucking Saxons.
Posted by: The Angles at March 26, 2013 03:11 PM (8ZskC)
When men are allowed to be men and boys men in training society has built in guard rails that sort of prevent a lot of this passive aggressive shit.
Society is better of with school age boys rolling around in the lot behind the school once or twice and getting it out of their system, rather than bottling it up until it explodes.
I was only in one fight in high school and I got my ass kicked. It was three on one and they started it by trying to push me around. Even then after it was done they left me alone. They knew I wouldn't take shit from them, and moved on.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 26, 2013 03:11 PM (lr3d7)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 03:11 PM (xMHpX)
Posted by: The Jutes at March 26, 2013 03:13 PM (XvHmy)
Sven,
Yeah, I am as well. The biggest frustration in all of this is the fact that if the roles were reversed I would never have taken it this far. This was the kind of shit you deal with without getting the law involved.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 26, 2013 03:13 PM (lr3d7)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at March 26, 2013 03:13 PM (q177U)
No "hey that's not a subject for conversation here" or "I find your comments make me uncomfortable" and then waited to see if they went away or shut up.
but NOOO. she took the pic and then splattered their images on the internet and complained to the boss before she took any personal action. (other than ratting them out)
That shows exactly what she accomplished was exactly what she wanted to happen. She didn't want to stifle speech or have them disciplined, she wanted them CRUSHED.
This girl has got some kind of man/woman issue and maybe some ethnic resentment going.
She got fired because her company realized that at this point she wouldn't be able to do her job and who would want her around?
It's like she turned into an undefined trigger time bomb. No one could guess when where or who she would go off on next.
Who needs that around. Especially in a position where shmoozing is a job requirement. (I'm assuming here.)
I made a comment on the Pyon's Pres. statement that they should hire the guy back. Get the other company to hire her back and call it a wash. maybe sponsor a seminar on conference etiquette. They ALL look bad. Fix it and move on.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 26, 2013 03:14 PM (Kpn/z)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 03:14 PM (xMHpX)
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My son threw a dirt clod at another kid during recess back in grade school. I got a call from the principal's office, and when I went there, she handed me the name of a child psychiatrist and suggested I make an appointment for my son.
I suggested a couple of things of my own, and promptly withdrew him from the Government Castration Center.
Posted by: mama winger at March 26, 2013 03:15 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 26, 2013 03:15 PM (Kpn/z)
a lesson I'm trying to teach my son...
I'm not a huge guy I am ~5'10-5'11" and am burly but not stocky...
I was small, in school my son is on track to be 6'4"-6'6" and will take after wife's dad....
and he is a kind gentle hearted boy...
too kind at times, I fear if/when he finally fights it will be bad.
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 03:15 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2013 03:15 PM (/1U3u)
Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at March 26, 2013 03:16 PM (zZJJp)
did she actually go to their boss's or was someone else also sticking their nose where it didn't belong?
fgs.
it's all crazytown .
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2013 03:16 PM (nqBYe)
sounds a lot like that time my son's substitute in Kindergarten thought his digital cammy backpack was "inappropriate".....
I asked if the teacher could spell "L-y-n-c-h-m-o-b" and reminded the fellow we were next to Fort Polk and NOLA was to our east.
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 03:17 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: scofflawx at March 26, 2013 03:17 PM (hcgfJ)
>>>Well, you probably already can. Most white people are not "Anglo".
>>>The Anglo-Saxons are just one of many European tribes.
I know right? Mf*er totally ignorant of my heritage. Just like an arrogant supremacist. All white people are F*king anglos. I'm Prussian and Gael.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 26, 2013 03:17 PM (0q2P7)
...one day I decided I'd had enough and took on the baddest of the Seniors and kicked his ass hard and sent him packing.
That was the end of the bullying. I never heard another peep out of those guys, and they avoided me in the halls.
Whoever said violence never solves anything was full of shit. 10 seconds of measured violence solved all my problems for 4 years of HS.
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 26, 2013 03:17 PM (/gHaE)
Holy ______ , look around.
Something's lost that must be found.
my Country,
It was here a few years back. Where could it have gone?
Did I misplace it, or did someone run off with it.
Posted by: seamrog at March 26, 2013 03:17 PM (YvQQy)
Posted by: the bearded UNIX god at March 26, 2013 03:18 PM (j3uk1)
Well, according to "Anonymous", that's what happened. I'd take their claims with a grain of salt.
More likely, the company just didn't want the bad press. If her job was supposed to be outreach to python programmers... she's doing it wrong.
Posted by: sandy burger at March 26, 2013 03:18 PM (+yb/5)
Posted by: A Pict Covered in Woad and Wagging His Dick at You All at March 26, 2013 03:19 PM (Kpn/z)
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2013 03:19 PM (/1U3u)
Hey I know, I'm an EMPOWERED WOMYN and because I am SO POWERFUL AND ASSERTIVE and IN CHARGE OF MY OWN FEMININITIES I'm going to HUFF AND PUFF AND CRY LIKE A LITTLE BITCH if my WIDDLE EARS hear something I don't like.
I don't get it. If you're such a butch-ass empowered Amazonian goddess-princess who can slam down the patriarchy with a mighty femmefist, why do you act like a weepy, whiny 3-year-old girl whose tea party table got elbow-smashed by your big brother?
Posted by: NotAMoose at March 26, 2013 03:19 PM (ZZg4j)
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2013 03:19 PM (/1U3u)
'Zero Tolerance'.
We seem to be living in the Era of Zero Tolerance.
Little boys get sent home from school for 'sexual harassment' for just kissing a little girl on the cheek.
Liberals love to use that term, and call for tolerance on some things...and yet declare 'zero tolerance' for other things.
So there's like, zero tolerance...for being intolerant.
But then, isn't 'zero tolerance' the same as being...intolerant?
Bottom line....businesses are under fire from all directions these days.
It's not just lawsuits they have to worry about.
They can get boycotted too.
So they're going overboard, to avoid anything that could hurt their bottom line.
Posted by: wheatie at March 26, 2013 03:20 PM (UMBJ2)
Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2013 03:20 PM (/1U3u)
Posted by: Kirk at March 26, 2013 03:21 PM (u0NM1)
So these comments were randomly said by one guy to another guy? she overheard them and She's offended ?
He should start bleating about his privacy. "I feel so ... so violated!" he should say, stomping his foot. Bursting into tears would be a plus.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 26, 2013 03:21 PM (IDSI7)
these comments were made between Two folks, but were overheard
and that is a basis for being fired?
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2013 03:22 PM (nqBYe)
it's a brave new world...
just like when I almost got fired early in my time with the airline for telling an idiot to get out of the way during hard time oriented ops in a blizzard b/c prime time was up and we were fighting a bad crunch to get the birds in the air....
I asked her to go take this five bucks and grab a coffee.....
had to stand before the man.
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 03:25 PM (LRFds)
Later on they brought back twice as many people and basically played the musical chair version of throttling my ass all over the school yard, though i tried to put up a good fight. Weirdly enough I never got bothered after that.
Human beings are social creatures, and we have a need to figure out where we stand in the hierarchy. Men tend towards direct confrontation. You push a guy and see if he pushes back. If he does then you know he's willing to stand up for himself and you respect him. If he doesn't, then you don't.
Women tend to be less direct. They maneuver and scheme and, I think, end up with a hierarchy much more rigid than a man's. It makes sense when you're dealing with a small tribe where the women are competing for the attention of the highest men and two or three may share a chieftain's bed.
The problem comes in modern society when women enter into male dominated areas and professions. They don't want to play by the rules that the men operate by because they're unused to them. I remember hearing a woman complain how if she's assertive and tough at work then she gets called a "bitch". Well no crap, sister. Here's a news flash: the tough and assertive guys aren't necessarily well liked either. They're respected for the job, but you don't want to have a beer with them after work.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 26, 2013 03:25 PM (lr3d7)
I was polite, direct, and there were tears of absolute rage in my eyes....
she was getting in the way of my fucking machine.
Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 26, 2013 03:26 PM (LRFds)
I'm serious, you guys. Honey Boo-Boo is a more emotionally sound person than this DEVELOPER'S EVANGELIST.
Harpy McWeepyscrunt doesn't have penis envy. She has real-job-title envy. She needs a job with less syllables in the name and more ass-stomping from a boss.
Posted by: NotAMoose at March 26, 2013 03:26 PM (ZZg4j)
is there more to this?
hell, maybe you are to be robotic at work.
do not laugh, do not obviously offend.
if this is offense she would absolutely have pass'd out and needed meds if she worked any of my jobs.
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2013 03:27 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: the bearded UNIX god at March 26, 2013 03:27 PM (j3uk1)
Posted by: the bearded UNIX god at March 26, 2013 03:27 PM (j3uk1)
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at March 26, 2013 03:28 PM (i7B17)
Posted by: zsasz at March 26, 2013 03:31 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at March 26, 2013 03:31 PM (xMHpX)
to those that understood the terms.
still even at that How did SHE find offense in any shape or form, It wasn't a personal disparagement aimed at her or women in general publically?
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2013 03:32 PM (nqBYe)
I too got picked on when I was young. Ya know how I handled it? First I hit the bully in the fist with my nose. Then I gave him a stomach in the elbow. Finally finished him off with a groin to the knee.
Showed him.
Posted by: LGoPs at March 26, 2013 03:34 PM (4x8W0)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 26, 2013 03:36 PM (PMGbu)
but srsly who cares?
go to work get paid go home and have a life! Other people do the same.
this is pathetic.
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2013 03:37 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Sarahw at March 26, 2013 03:40 PM (LYwCh)
Point 1... Dongle is not by any definition profanity. If anything, using for anything except in its technical meaning (a physical security device) is pretty lame...
Point 2... There is no Right to not be offended...
Point 3... We ARE supposed to have free speech...
Point 4... Legal Terrorism WORKS... as does threats from Hacker groups... (he was fired for legal PC reasons... she because of the backlash and DDOS atttack).
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 26, 2013 03:41 PM (lZBBB)
Good times.
Posted by: lowandslow at March 26, 2013 03:42 PM (Fz2C7)
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2013 07:37 PM (nqBYe)
Yes.... becasue Women NEVER say anything unproffesional at work...
I'm an IT guy.... mainly Medical systems but some office support.... and the crap I overhear!!!!
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 26, 2013 03:42 PM (lZBBB)
jeeze are we all 5 year olds.
IF she were offnded which would have been silly in any case, how about turning around and instead shh, The big dogs are speaking up there or something?
fcol, we are women not children, This was NOT something said Aimed at Her.
she personally was not being disparaged or i would defend Her.
it's just silly and i can't rap my head around how "sensitive" everyone is now.
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2013 03:45 PM (nqBYe)
"Email me at ceo@playhaven.com. I will do my best to respond and encourage an active and civil dialogue."
Let him know!
Posted by: Adam B at March 26, 2013 03:48 PM (phUqH)
Women in general are Not this way.
Look women are out there everywhere how many times does shit like this Actually occur?
but what I am saying is it is chilling for all workers.
Would you feel better if a man were offended at something stupid said to another women and was overheard ?
no it's all silly.
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2013 03:48 PM (nqBYe)
Ahh, another scrunt!
Hey scrunt! The conversation didn't involve her, wasn't about her, and she should shut her scrunt mouth, as should you.
Posted by: Gman at March 26, 2013 03:49 PM (UkbKS)
kidding anyway, back to preparing the house for family stuff.
Posted by: willow at March 26, 2013 03:50 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 26, 2013 03:56 PM (PMGbu)
Lol, a scrunt with "balls". Somehow I doubt it. Scrunty.
Posted by: Gman at March 26, 2013 03:59 PM (UkbKS)
Posted by: smokefrogg at March 26, 2013 04:00 PM (AeMXR)
Posted by: Bob, Person of Hench at March 26, 2013 04:02 PM (1efte)
Think OPSEC.
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at March 26, 2013 04:19 PM (LsJAk)
Posted by: Bobymandius, Destroyer of Threads at March 26, 2013 04:19 PM (1efte)
Posted by: Charlie at March 26, 2013 04:23 PM (fpCZz)
Deny, deny, deny. (Rule #2 for a Man Card)
(Rule #1 is "I don't know what you're talking about." That works too, when followed by Rule #2)
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at March 26, 2013 04:26 PM (LsJAk)
Rule #3 for the Man Card is we always backup our buddy's move. (or buddies' if more than one of us is getting gigged.)
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at March 26, 2013 04:34 PM (LsJAk)
But equally likely but unsaid is this theory. She is a known troublemaker and has been for quite some time. So odds are her employer has wanted to fire her sorry ass since days after making the mistake of hiring her but has been terrified to do it. This incident finally have them as close to an airtight excuse as they were ever likely to get and they jumped on it. Truth be known I'd put money sighs of relief throughout her previous workspace if not outright rejoicing.
But ain't it typical of the doublethink of her ilk when you consider the crap she (and most feminists in general) are pushing? Women are just as good as men, damnit! And just as soon as you retards implement a carefully designed affirmative action program, totally redesign your business methods and processes and force all employees to undergo mandatory sensitivity training so that we don't see or hear anything that might shock us to our fainting couch we will prove it to ya.
Posted by: John Morris at March 26, 2013 04:43 PM (sCRhB)
Hey, no one said the Man Card was easy. It's the man behind the card whose easy.
Or somethink
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at March 26, 2013 04:44 PM (LsJAk)
Posted by: Veritas at March 26, 2013 05:56 PM (Jm48S)
If PlayHaven ever faces sexual harassment claim, the claimant can point to an incident of an employee making a "sexist" joke in an "official capacity" while PlayHaven took no action.
And as for Richards, she's basically wearing a giant neon sign saying "I'm a walking frivolous sexual harassment lawsuit waiting to happen". How many employers are going to offer her a job after googling her name?
Posted by: Justin at March 26, 2013 06:46 PM (yoAYX)
Posted by: Socktopus at March 26, 2013 07:17 PM (1FLBb)
Posted by: Baldy at March 26, 2013 08:06 PM (opS9C)
Read anything by William Gibson? I'm pretty sure it's covered in at least one of his books. This is the basic premise for the salaryman in Gibson's realm of cyberpunk.
You should see what happens when someone or something even attempts to break the stranglehold.
Posted by: Blacksmith8 at March 27, 2013 02:34 AM (Yzu6e)
Posted by: SCOAMF Search Committee at March 27, 2013 03:12 AM (/NT5F)
"If Adria wanted to prove that women are too emotional, intolerant, irrational and vindictive to work in tech fields (or any field for that matter) then she could have found no more effective way to go about it. She just reinforced every negative stereotype of women that there is. You go girl!
Despite what this woman thinks, most women are not children who have to be nurtured and supported with positive messaging so that they feel welcome during their entire career. Who the hell wants to hire such a dimwitted, self-centered adolescent that they have to constantly reassure them that they are wanted. Here is a clue. If they give you a paycheck then they want you. You are experiencing the opposite of that right now so in the future it should be easier for you to tell the difference.
And grow up about the whole sex thing Adria. Workplaces are stultifying enough without the morality police parading through the halls trying to catch someone being non-pc. Christ, leftists are worse than religious wankers these days."Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at March 27, 2013 04:11 AM (bdged)
Posted by: Smarty at March 27, 2013 04:43 AM (WxVj6)
Posted by: deadrody at March 27, 2013 04:50 AM (b2D8X)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at March 27, 2013 07:11 AM (Jcd0S)
Posted by: Techiewoman at March 27, 2013 08:32 AM (Xqyhu)
She got what she deserved and is now a shining example of how to screw up the life of a victim and her own because of her hyper-sensitivity.
Stupidity wreaks lives, she's trashed hers and is as toxic as Chernobyl.
Just deserts.
Posted by: Gmac - Waiting for the revolution at March 27, 2013 10:55 AM (IanLz)
Posted by: gekkobear at March 27, 2013 11:04 AM (BI9vB)
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