1 We can tax our way out of this.

2 I like pie. Hell, yes, that is a relevant response. There's nothing that I can do other than sit back, nom on the pie and watch my whole world burn down. Marshmallows, anyone?

3 "Watching 'fiscal conservative' Chris Christie fail"

It could have been left at this.

4

I just want the riots to begin - the waiting is getting old.

5 I'll take your marshmallows, and raise you a dozen jelly donuts.

6 Chris Christie has finally become the union goon he fought as governor.  He doesn't give a shit about the finances or reality, he just wants his fucking money RIGHT NOW!!!

7
Chris Christie - Conservative with MY states money.

Chris Christie - When its YOUR money.... gimmegimmegimme fuckin NOW!!!!!



Sums it up??

8 Boy, you are just real hot and bothered over Alaska aren't you?

9 How long before the bond vigilantes drop the hammer on the Feds?

10

"Given that the people wish to spend money they do not have, and soon will not have (for all the same reasons that people with bad credit can't rent a car -- your ability to borrow is precisely related to your projected future ability to make good on your loans), and will not be diverted from this disastrous course, what can anyone do?"

-

The logical flaw in this argument is that the people who wish to spend the money are not the same people that will be expected to make good on the loans.  Those of us who live on 75% of our pay, and those who are not yet born are the ones who will make good on the loans, and those of us who watch 9 hours of television per day, shop at WalMart on the first day of the month when the EBT card is reloaded, and want free condoms are the ones doing the borrowing.

11 Fuck them.  Two can play this game.  Blue states, SUCK OUR DICKS.


As someone said recently, what the fuck you done for me today?


Nothing?  Well, you get nothing.


What about "fuck you" don't you understand?  You voted wrong.  Fuck you.

12 CC is a Demonrat with an R after his name. Piss on him.  If I recall the House bill correctly that I linked to this morning the House bill has the same amount in it that the Senate bill had for actual hurricane relief.  It just left out all that stupid pork.

13 Faster is better than slower.  Let's get on with it then.

14 This is why I like socons.  Social liberalism always comes with a price and I have yet to find a fiscon who, when push comes to shove, isn't easy to shove.

As I said in the other thread, Christie is like the teacher union parasites he berates. They don't care where the money comes from either.

15 Chris Christie got himself a new ObamaPhone. So STFU.

16 Pork Futures in trouble.

17 the voice of the people is the voice of God.

These days, I'm pretty sure it's the other one.

18 I like pie. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 02, 2013 04:02 PM (VtjlW)

Most Morons like pie.

We only differ on the flavor.

...or on today's "pie" euphemism.

19 How long before the bond vigilantes drop the hammer on the Feds?

Posted by: Iblis at January 02, 2013 04:06 PM (9221z)

----

If I were a betting man.... I'd take March for the first salvo.

20 Personally I think we should be seeing what amount of debt relief or new bonds if you will China would offer for American Samoa,  Puerto Rico,  any other territories we have.    No sense hanging onto the family china when we can't afford to eat for an analogy. 

21 Screw the socons, the FICONS are winning the WAR!

22 There are certain touchstone issues that I've found useful in identifying RINO squishes who are masquerading as so-called "conservatives".

Key among these is support for gun control.

John McCain? Spoke in favor of gun control. Turned out to be a RINO squish.

Mitt Romney? Signed a state level ban on assault weapons. Turned out to be a RINO squish.

Chris Christie? Hell, you know the drill by now. Gun control fan, and squish.

Take very very careful note when looking at 2014 Senate prospects and 2016 Presidential prospects. I certainly will be.

23 Tipping point; Chris Christie.
LOL.

24 How long before the bond vigilantes drop the hammer on the Feds?

Posted by: Iblis at January 02, 2013 04:06 PM (9221z)

A few years, unfortunately. Japan has to implode first and then Europe. And while that's happening money will flood into the US bond market because relatively speaking it will appear "safe". And Bernanke will think he's a genius, and Congress and TFG will think there are no consequences because they can get all the free money they want. Until they can't.

25 Storm's coming.

26 When was it exactly, did Chris Christie finally accept that he's a democrat?

27 I'm at the tippling point.

28 Sadly, Guam may already be beyond hope.

29 Balanced Budget Constitutional Amendment.

30 Top Men have assured me this is not the hill to die on. Top. Men.

31 There are certain touchstone issues that I've found useful in identifying RINO squishes who are masquerading as so-called "conservatives".

Law school. McCain is my only exception.

32 I guess 30 cans of Beef Raviolis won't be enough.  Time to buy more.

33
The funny thing is that Chris Christie subscribes to all that global warming nonsense, too.

We live in a world that readily and earnestly believes in an imaginary crisis yet ignores a very real financial crisis in front of their very eyes.

34

Col. Nathan R. Jessup had us summed up 20 years ago.

"We can't handle the truth"

 

35

Hey Fat ass, how is that Obama photo op working out for you ?

Turn about ?

36
brb, coolin the planet

37 Japan has been wallowing along with 200% debt to GDP for two decades.  You would be surprized how long it takes a nation to die with easy money.

38 The logical flaw in this argument is that the people who wish to spend the money are not the same people that will be expected to make good on the loans.

Oh, you're buying lunch? I'll add a shrimp cocktail and a couple bottles of wine.

39 Maybe the voters are under the belief that they will be dead before the bill comes due?

40 What's Ann Coulter's take on all this?

41 We can handle the truth, its the waiting that's getting tedious.

42

It's not just Alaska and the Smithsonian:

 

$33 million for Amtrak???

$10.8 billion for transit?

 

$17 billion for "Community Development Block Grants"?

 

Any why doesn't anyone mention that the Senate just passed its bill on December 28? 

43
brb, endin bullyin

44 ...or on today's "pie" euphemism. Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 02, 2013 04:08 PM (sbV1u) Baby lambs! http://bit.ly/VBCB3b

45 Balanced Budget Constitutional Amendment.

Posted by: angler at January 02, 2013 04:10 PM (SwjAj)

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Sheeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiittttt.

We're only observing, what..... 1/4 of the Ammendments now.

Come to think of it..... no slaves, booze is good to go again..... mebbe two we actually observe???

46 Most Morons like pie.

We only differ on the flavor.

French Silk, or better, European Truffle.
Or you're a RINO.

How long before the bond vigilantes drop the hammer on the Feds?

When's the next debt limit increase scheduled? Pit me down for that plus a few weeks.

47 Oh, and by the way you self righteous fucking Yankees that are cramming no drilling down LA  and stopping off shore drilling on the East Coast and Alaska and generally fucking every Red state trying to make money with environmental rules that mean nothing to your Prius driving cock sucking asses.

Suck the barbed cock of Satan.


So how do I really feel?   Don't get me mad.

48 We live in a world that readily and earnestly believes in an imaginary crisis yet ignores a very real financial crisis in front of their very eyes.

The penance is cheaper. Low-flow toilets and curly lightbulbs.  And fiscal sanity doesn't make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

49 You'll think I'm a wonderful, well-providing father... for the next month or so.

After that, you may hold a different opinion of me. Major negative changes in circumstance tend to do that.

But for now-- 3D TVs. Have you ever seen such a clear, sort of three dimensional picture? Aren't I your hero? At this moment, I mean.

This makes me sad in my heart because I've actually seen this play out in real life to someone I know.  He was a hero to his kids for a short time and then the piper came calling and he bugged the fuck out, never to be seen again.  No one knows, to this day, where he is or if he's even alive.  Meanwhile, his kids have grown up with their relatives, probably forgetting they ever had a father.

*facepalm*

50

I'm sure Obama will visit New Jersey again next week...or next month... or next year or next....

51 Christie clearly has the best chance of winning the Presidency in 2016.

52 Baby lambs!  http://bit.ly/VBCB3b  Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 02, 2013 04:12 PM (VtjlW)

I'd eat that pie.

All.  Night.  Long.

53 The more I hear about the actual 'boots on the ground' affects of Obamacare, the more I think this will initiate the burning all by itself. Here at AoSHQ, the horde is already reporting on changes that will only escalate.  We're looking at the wrong thing - worrying about a forecast blizzard and ignoring the train while we sit on the tracks. [We meaning the country, not The Horde].

54
brb, bannin bulbs

55 But for now, let's go get a few of those sweet 3D TV's and watch Pirates of the Caribbean IV.

You'll think I'm a wonderful, well-providing father... for the next month or so.

Ace, did you ever think that the Red-Staters decided to follow the leader (as opposed to Dear Leader), with the exception that instead of those 65-in. plasmas they're getting any piece of firearm and ammo that they can lay their hands on?

Brass, copper-jacketed lead and high-grade steel in the right configurations may be more valuable than gold, silver or platinum shortly.

56
brb, takin away guns

57 Balanced Budget Constitutional Amendment.
Posted by: angler

If you can't win a national election, don't bother thinking about an amendment.

58 This makes me sad in my heart because I've actually seen this play out in real life to someone I know. He was a hero to his kids for a short time and then the piper came calling and he bugged the fuck out, never to be seen again. No one knows, to this day, where he is or if he's even alive. Meanwhile, his kids have grown up with their relatives, probably forgetting they ever had a father.

Wait until Barack Obama, International Man of Mystery, starts his life jetting from one well-appointed villa to another.

I'm thinking Michelle won't pull a Hillary and will officially divorce him.

59 Christie's problem is, he looks at America like a 10 gallon tub of Ice Cream ...He believes there's a Prize when he hits the bottom...

60 ~ tap tap tap tap tap ~ ... yes, it is true that the beaches of New Jersey remind Hadji of those in Egypt ... needles from the drugs, piles of dung, and a great sweatiness that smells like the one you call Snooki looks ... wait. Hadji can hear himself. That means the microphone is on. and so. Hello! It is I, Hadji the comic, who if it is Allah's will, will make you laugh until you explode. I am the IED of comedy, bitches. What is the difference between Chris Christie and a six foot mound of Jell-O made to resemble Chris Christie? The Jell-O stays the same from day to day. How is Chris Christie as the man upon whom the slattern cavorts in a sexual manner? They both are fuck-ups. Get it? They both are upwardly moving with the act of sex. And now, Hadji must go. Always leave them laughing ... or in blood soaks chunks of human offal, as Hadji learned many Ramadans ago. The veal is as tender and moist as the spot between the toe of the camel. And the waitresses are desirous of tips. _

61 I'll take your marshmallows, and raise you a dozen jelly donuts. Can we haz some jerky?

62 Brass, copper-jacketed lead and high-grade steel in the right configurations may be more valuable than gold, silver or platinum shortly.

Or help in "acquiring" gold, silver, and platinum from others.

63 Boy, you are just real hot and bothered over Alaska aren't you?

I don't know about Ace, but as far as I'm concerned Alaska deserves every criticism it gets.  No, it doesn't have anything to do with a certain Alaskan reality TV star.

Alaska is one giant welfare case.  They have plenty of oil money, yet keep sending corruptocrat porkers to Congress to endlessly squeeze for more federal money.

Yes, I've heard all the arguments "but the federal government controls most of the land!"  Yeah?  So what?  Pay for your own shit, you have the money.

64 As Tina Brown said, in era of quicksand, Chris Christie is the rock. Wait -- why do you want a rock when you are in quicksand? Don't you normally want a rope? Don't you need something to help you climb out? Wouldn't a rock be the last thing you want when in quicksand?

65

Not to imply that CC was our best and brightest, or even palatable after the last election, but this sort of subject does get me to thinking - Who the fuck do we have for 2016? 

 

And the follow up - Does it even fucking matter?

 

I'm beginning to think that all those "R"s and cons who sat the last one out were just way ahead of their time. 

66 If you can't win a national election, don't bother thinking about an amendment.

Propose it.  Get the debt into the national conversation.

The media knows they can keep the people ignorant.

67 What if the gravy train doesn't stop coming, Ace? What if the laws of economics are forever held at bay by strangely low interest rates on bonds? What if daddy never runs out of credit?

It's important to be rhetorically and intellectually prepared for that eventuality. The lack of transparency at the highest levels of international finance should prompt those who are relying on old bromides to wonder whether the rules are still the same.

68 Have heard waaaay too many "sandy stories" and if you put in an h and take out the n they become "shady stories" and a lot of those stories are shady not happy and sandy. Those claims should be thoroughly vetted. The people who get this money should deserve to get this money. And "deserve" is the operative word here. Everywhere you go you find out people got "their money" for things hurricane related yet you read in the newspaper that there is enormous red tape and those who are the worst victims aren't getting anything. You don't know who to believe anymore. Should you believe the people who got "their money" for the little hurricane related things or do you believe the newspaper articles?

69 Relief efforts?  Hurricane Hazel, over 1,000 died, over $2 billion in damages.

Suck it up Yankees.


Total relief spending?  $41 million in 2009 dollars.


http://tinyurl.com/5hkdk9

70 We're looking at the wrong thing

That's the rub, isn't it? There are a dozen (not an actual count, just an approximation) different stupid things going on in the economic system that are creating instability and whichever blows up first will trigger detonations in all the others.

Of course the smrt people will tell the survivors that only the first was ever a problem, and only because it wasn't handled properly.

71 >>If you can't win a national election, don't bother thinking about an amendment.

Yeah, I know.  But I'm thinking this would not be a difficult issue to sell.  The vast majority of states have BB amendments.  And I bet the question polls well.  "Do you believe that the government should be constitutionally prohibited from spending more money that it has?"

72
Ann Coulter is on with Howie Carr right now.

I think Ann Coulter read my comment I made about Warren Buffet last night.

73 I told you mofos there'd be a tipping point! I told you!

74 Journalism ---> @AP: BREAKING: Dow Jones average points higher after Congress passes budget bill

75 So in your hypothetical analogy, someone comes an repossesses all that sweet crap.

How do you repo a country?  Or is it like my Dad said to me the day I closed on my house. "On the up side, if the economy tanks, and you lose your job, your house is a protected assess in bankruptcy!  Your rented apartment, not so much!"

(He was being glib and sarcastic BTW.  I believe the longer and more complex explanation is that a properly executed bankruptcy should be able to keep you in your house if you can make the payments once your other debt is discharged.  But the point remains.)

76 Like I said before, time to stop bailing and start looking to grab provisions and a lifeboat.



Get what you can before it sinks!!!!!! 

77 Not to imply that CC was our best and brightest, or even palatable after the last election, but this sort of subject does get me to thinking - Who the fuck do we have for 2016?

Marco Rubio.  It should be noted he voted no on this clusterfuck.  And he -- this is key -- did not denigrate Republicans who did.

This is how it's played.

78 Or help in "acquiring" gold, silver, and platinum from others.

You can't eat them, and unless you can melt them into bullets, they'll have little value.

79 So-o-o-o, does this mean that I should buy my new 3D 65in TV now or wait a couple of years when I can loot it for free? Decisions...decisions.

80  You would be surprized how long it takes a nation to die with easy money.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 02, 2013 04:11 PM (HrBwt)

 

---- True, but they had us , we don't have anybody

81 So what do you think: food riots first or gas riots?

Oh, thank Gaia we gave more money to the Smithsonian for crap like this!

http://tinyurl.com/cddth98

82 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

83 OT, but I'm waiting for the change.org petition asking all the celebrities who did the anti gun commercial to publicly pledge they won't star in or act in any movies featuring any gunplay at all. If they want to end gun culture, don't feed gun culture.

84

Then what?

 

We as a nation have  absolutely zero ability to imagine  all the possible consequences of  this shit.

 

I hope that bigass TV was worth it.

85 Relief efforts? Hurricane Hazel, over 1,000 died, over $2 billion in damages.

Suck it up Yankees.


Total relief spending? $41 million in 2009 dollars.


http://tinyurl.com/5hkdk9

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at January 02, 2013 04:19 PM (wR+pz)

Heh.... todays relief effort aint about rebuilding property.

Its about building constituencies.

86 Marco Rubio. It should be noted he voted no on this clusterfuck. And he -- this is key -- did not denigrate Republicans who did.


"There is...another."

87 "We will worry about the long-term consequences -- such as being without a home or college fund or creditworthiness to secure loans for same -- later.

But for now, let's go get a few of those sweet 3D TV's and watch Pirates of the Caribbean IV.

You'll think I'm a wonderful, well-providing father... for the next month or so."

-

Sadly, all too true.  People are proving they cannot handle freedom, by giving it up in return for security.  For the record, 90% of my respect for my father was due to his saying 'no' to so many things, for the very reasons listed at the top of the quote above.

88 You can't eat them, and unless you can melt them into bullets, they'll have little value. Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 02, 2013 04:21 PM (kqqGm) Yaaaay! We haven't had that fight in minutes and minutes. I think I prefer the shaven v. 70's fights.

89 >>>Tipping point; Chris Christie.

Oh, he's in Guam?

90 Oh, NOOOooooo !
Don't even mention Gravy Train around this guy.

91 Most Morons like pie. We only differ on the flavor. Moon pie. With an RC Cola.

92 This Guy Makes the Same Analogy: Kids, we're going shopping! We will worry about the long-term consequences -- such as being without a home or college fund or creditworthiness to secure loans for same -- later. But for now, let's go get a few of those sweet 3D TV's and watch Pirates of the Caribbean IV. I propose a major cutback in spending! We'll buy 55" TVs instead of 63".

93 The logical flaw in this argument is that the people who wish to spend the money are not the same people that will be expected to make good on the loans. Those of us who live on 75% of our pay, and those who are not yet born are the ones who will make good on the loans, and those of us who watch 9 hours of television per day, shop at WalMart on the first day of the month when the EBT card is reloaded, and want free condoms are the ones doing the borrowing.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 02, 2013 04:06 PM (HrBwt)

When those who collect EBT are dead, the debt will be more manageable.  Hyperinflation is going to kill them. 

Mass death is a feature of socialist policies, not a bug.

94

Just called Senator Hagan and told her how much I appreciated her yes vote. I told her I was young and had a chronic medical condition and was worried about my job security in maufacturing. I said the best solution was a crash of the American economy sooner rather than later and her vote was the right choice. I asked for the lady to relay my appreciation that she is raising taxes and adding to the debt, and to please add as much as often as possible in the near future and raise my taxes as much and as high as possible.

 

The woman laughed, stammered a bit, and I reiterated that we need to go big or go home with this spending and bring a larger percentage of the population under the governments care.

95 If you can't win a national election, don't bother thinking about an amendment.

Yeah, I know. But I'm thinking this would not be a difficult issue to sell. The vast majority of states have BB amendments. And I bet the question polls well. "Do you believe that the government should be constitutionally prohibited from spending more money that it has?"

Posted by: angler at January 02, 2013 04:19 PM (SwjAj)

Cool thing about and Amendment, a sufficiently large regional party could run one through using the State Method rather than the National one. (It'd take what 37, 38 states with sufficiently Conservative Legislatures?)  How many are we at?

96 4 I just want the riots to begin - the waiting is getting old.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 02, 2013 04:03 PM (HrBwt)

37 Japan has been wallowing along with 200% debt to GDP for two decades. You would be surprized how long it takes a nation to die with easy money.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 02, 2013 04:11 PM (HrBwt)

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There won't by any riots. They will continue to borrow money to buy them off. Even when they do actually riot, they'll just promise them more money.

I don't like what all that is going on makes me think about certain races and classes. But, I ain't going to deny reality either.

Stealing a TV during a riot isn't about getting free stuff or stuff you need--it's about punishing those who have done better than you, dragging them down, getting back because it's their fault your life is shit.

And we are in a cold riot right now.

Your safest bet is to plan for 7 to 10 years of this. Learn how to make money on the side. Grey to illegal is better.

Because very soon, having the skills to avoid the attention and intentions of the federal government will be the most valuable thing you know.

97 I was just thinking about tipping points in the context of the Civil War and the current-day possibility of the break-up of the country along ideological lines. Any morons know when was the last point in time before the Civil War that the majority of people thought it absolutely couldn't happen? I realize that they didn't have public opinion polls back then but my guess is that the majority didn't think it would happen right up until the moment it did.

98 What if the laws of economics are forever held at bay by strangely low interest rates on bonds?

You can taunt gravity for a while with a hot air balloon and a whole lot of fuel.

"A while" != "forever"

99 *ahem*

100 The good thing about becoming more socialist than Canada -- now there's no argument against invading Canada or absorbing Puerto Rico. I used to be against adding new states because all the new state candidates (Puerto Rico, Canada, Mexico) are more left-wing than us. But that's no longer true. So fuck it. If we are gonna crash and burn then let's get some real empire action going. Puerto Rico is state #51. Then split of Canada. Alberta and British Columbia are #52 and #52. Build a fucking superhighway to Alaska. Cuba is #53. Tear down the Appalachian Mountains and build a fucking land bridge to Cuba. Castro is only slight to the Left of Obama ad Pelosi. Baja California. Ours. #54. Group all the Bahamas and tiny islands together for #55. Jamaica can be #56 and the main pot source for legal weed. We can have large plantations there as a bit of throwback. Invade Panama, #57. Fuck Haiti, but take Dominican Republic as #58.

101 OT, but I'm waiting for the change.org petition asking all the celebrities who did the anti gun commercial to publicly pledge they won't star in or act in any movies featuring any gunplay at all. If they want to end gun culture, don't feed gun culture.

I call it the Hollywood Smoking model.  Nobody smokes on TV and only in R rated movies and then only a villain.

102 When those who collect EBT are dead, the debt will be more manageable. Hyperinflation is going to kill them.

Pffft. Their monthly "allowance" will be raised to compensate.

103 The logical flaw in this argument is that the people who wish to spend the money are not the same people that will be expected to make good on the loans. Those of us who live on 75% of our pay, and those who are not yet born are the ones who will make good on the loans, and those of us who watch 9 hours of television per day, shop at WalMart on the first day of the month when the EBT card is reloaded, and want free condoms are the ones doing the borrowing.

Then think of it like a family where one parent (pick a gender) is working hard trying to get the bills paid and frequently says "No, we can't order pizza tonight," or "Sure you can go to the movies with your friends, if you have enough money."  The other is trying to be their kids' "best friend" and is constantly taking them on shopping sprees and buying them frivolous things and then blaming the other parent when there's no money.

104 I would just like to point out that I always enoy th Hadji the muslim comic posts. Just throwing that out there.
Back to lurking . . . .

105 75 Journalism ---> @AP: BREAKING: Dow Jones average points higher after Congress passes budget bill




In other news, Inflation landed ashore at Battery Park and was marching toward Wall Street late Wednesday afternoon.

No defenses have been mobilized.  Remain calm, all is well.


http://tinyurl.com/c62hqt

106 I was just thinking about tipping points in the context of the Civil War and the current-day possibility of the break-up of the country along ideological lines. Any morons know when was the last point in time before the Civil War that the majority of people thought it absolutely couldn't happen? I realize that they didn't have public opinion polls back then but my guess is that the majority didn't think it would happen right up until the moment it did.

----

From the Souths point of view..... the election of Lincoln.

107

Pffft. Their monthly "allowance" will be raised to compensate.

 

Just cause more inflation.

108 >>>I propose a major cutback in spending! We'll buy 55" TVs instead of 63".

That will bury the middle class and poison the children's puppies.  And it's not a cut.

A cut is buying a 93" LCD.  Because you really wanted a 105" plasma.

109 This vote could be like the Iraq vote for the Dems. Made Obama President.

110 The governor of one of the most heavily taxed states in the country wants my money for that hurricane damage? Did I build my house 12' above sea level? They should be self-insured by now. Who'd a thunk it? A hurricane in New Jersey. Weird!

111 People used to buy things they "had the money for". They knew they wanted something and they saved the money and bought it and then began saving again for the next thing they wanted. Eventually credit cards came on the scene and AMEX sort of kept to that. You bought the item on the credit card but were responsible for paying it off in the next billing. People then included AMEX in their formula. They saved the money, used AMEX and paid AMEX the money. Then more credit cards came on the scene and you didn't need to pay them off in the next month. You could carry a balance if you weren't finished saving the money but you could still buy the item you wanted. But, most people paid it off fairly quickly. At some point, the dynamic switched from only buying what you could afford to buying on credit and paying it off "on time". Something the middle class and above never did according to their old formula. Ultimately in order to get people to use the cards, it because what monthly payment can you afford. That theory justifies having a lot of credit cards and buying a lot of things as long as your monthly income covers the payments. At this point, people began to ignore the fact that they were being charged interest for the privilege as they weren't bothered by the interest and they had their things. Thus we are in this mess today, it's monthly payments on everything including student loan debt. Few people aren't in some kind of debt. And if they aren't in debt then their credit rating is bad which makes no sense but they then claim they don't have any record to show they would be able to payback any loan.

112 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 04:25 PM (8y9MW)

All I could think about when I read this is all the improvements that the wife and I listed for the house last night and the minor joke of "someone needs to make more money."

(Priorities...they suck.)

113 IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!! FAT DAMMIT!!

114 Cool thing about and Amendment, a sufficiently large regional party could run one through using the State Method rather than the National one. (It'd take what 37, 38 states with sufficiently Conservative Legislatures?) How many are we at? Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 02, 2013 04:23 PM (4F5x1) do not even open that can or worms right now. if we are not able to make a convincing argument that raising taxes to increase spending when we are out of room to borrow money is a bad idea it is the wrong time to start opening up the Constitution to blank slate revisions.

115

Re. 68:

 

There's not a whole lot of exports to keep this ship afloat.  That's the difference between Japan and us.

116 We need to expand territorially for the post-crash Sino-American War of 2030. We need fodder. So maybe take Haiti, too.

117 Then think of it like a family where one parent (pick a gender) is working hard trying to get the bills paid and frequently says "No, we can't order pizza tonight," or "Sure you can go to the movies with your friends, if you have enough money." The other is trying to be their kids' "best friend" and is constantly taking them on shopping sprees and buying them frivolous things and then blaming the other parent when there's no money. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 04:25 PM (8y9MW) Sooooo, like every domestic case ever, then?

118 Stock market up 2.5%! Happy days are here again!!!

119 Stealing a TV during a riot isn't about getting free stuff or stuff you need--it's about punishing those who have done better than you, dragging them down, getting back because it's their fault your life is shit.

Too many people in our society vote but don't feel like they have a stake in society.  They think The Man is running things. They think their own dysfunction can be treated at no cost.

These are EBT recipients, underemployed wussmanities grads, graduate students, lawyers, they all think that if they elect the guy who promises to give them candy that they become good moral people as a result.

And they won't get sick and they won't get cavities.

120 Stealing a TV during a riot isn't about getting free stuff or stuff you need--it's about punishing those who have done better than you, dragging them down, getting back because it's their fault your life is shit.

And we are in a cold riot right now.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 02, 2013 04:23 PM (imtbm)

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I have often postulated that the federal government is the middleman that takes the stolen property and hands it out to their constituents.  Once the federal government loses the ability to grab enough property, their constituents will cut out the middleman, and come to your house directly to get 'their' stuff.

121 There are certain touchstone issues that I've found useful in identifying RINO squishes who are masquerading as so-called "conservatives".

Key among these is support for gun control.

John McCain? Spoke in favor of gun control. Turned out to be a RINO squish.

Mitt Romney? Signed a state level ban on assault weapons. Turned out to be a RINO squish.

Chris Christie? Hell, you know the drill by now. Gun control fan, and squish.

Take very very careful note when looking at 2014 Senate prospects and 2016 Presidential prospects. I certainly will be.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 02, 2013 04:08 PM (gqT4g)

 

 

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This AND how they view conservative alternative media (radio talk shows, conservative blogs, etc.).

122 This country has a moral and ethical rot, from top to bottom. How else could politicians get elected from mental hospitals while under investigation from the FBI? How else could our President and Senate deliberately not pass a budget for 3 years, and escape blame? These are symptoms of this rot. There is no cure, the disease is terminal. Check into a British hospice and await death.

123 Once the federal government loses the ability to grab enough property, their constituents will cut out the middleman, and come to your house directly to get 'their' stuff.


Just walk away and there will be an end to the suffering.  Just walk away.

124 Sooooo, like every domestic case ever, then?

I suspect that you'd know more about that than I would, being all lawyerly and all.  But quite probably.

There's a reason I call the coming Balkanization of the US  "The Divorce."

125

I am an institutional bond broker and the consensus here is yields dont start going up until late 2014 or 2015 and it could be longer than that and probably will be.  Lots of things could change that though. 

 

And Christie?   Fuck you you fucking fuck!! 

126 From the Souths point of view..... the election of Lincoln.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 02, 2013 04:25 PM (nELVU)

I am not sure that alone.  Lincoln's refusal to recognize the Confederate states and remove Federal troops from Sovereign SC territory lead to the bombing of Ft Sumter.  Basically Lincoln made his own Gulf of Tomkien moment then invaded Virgina at Bull Run and got his ass kicked.  

The 1860 election was almost as crooked as the 2012 election.

127 ..........Then one day I woke up and had this pink shelf over my head and I never saw Chris again......

128 Come on, kids! We're getting ice cream and taking a helicopter to the ballpark!

129
We would like our money now please.

We will not be accepting payment in "clunkers".

130 I recently learned about the universe-25 experiments. It sounds oddly familiar when I think about our current society.

131 Saw a commercial with Chris Christies wife begging for donations from Americans. Meanwhile, her hefty husband is demanding cash from Americans.

132 Hey, when do we get Nationalized Dental Care? I'm kinda surprised that wasn't in Obamacare. I'm guessing that might be next. Dems will just say white Republicans want brown kids teeth to rot out. Universal Pre-school and Universal Dental Care are the next big Dem goals. Universal Elder Care, too.

133 Any good Hank Johnson jokes for this?

134 Posted by: Caustic at January 02, 2013 04:27 PM (/b8+5)

Credit by itself it's a bad thing. I can put all my groceries, bills, and whatnot on my credit card to take what would be a set of dispersed payments that have no real connection to when I receive my paycheck and condense them down into a single monthly payment which lines up nicely with when I receive my paycheck.

Thus I'm not stuck in the "Well crap, Grocery shopping falls on the 28th, but I don't get my check until the 31st."

Granted, you could accomplish the same thing with a sufficient savings account, but said savings account would also have to be easily accessed (i.e. you're savings couldn't be in Gold, stocks, or even an CD.  And forget automatic deposits into hard to get to forms of savings.)

What went all pear-shaped was when people began acting like credit was a form of income.

135 "
From the Souths point of view..... the election of Lincoln.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 02, 2013 04:25 PM (nELVU)"

So, only a year or so. But did people in the North still hold out that it wasn't going to happen during all of that time or was there some interval between the Northern populations coming to the opinion that war was inevitable and it happening?

136 And we are in a cold riot right now. Your safest bet is to plan for 7 to 10 years of this. Learn how to make money on the side. Grey to illegal is better. Because very soon, having the skills to avoid the attention and intentions of the federal government will be the most valuable thing you know. THIS.

137 FUCK YOU Ann Coulter!

138 Then think of it like a family where one parent (pick a gender) is working hard trying to get the bills paid and frequently says "No, we can't order pizza tonight," or "Sure you can go to the movies with your friends, if you have enough money." The other is trying to be their kids' "best friend" and is constantly taking them on shopping sprees and buying them frivolous things and then blaming the other parent when there's no money.

Mommy party and Daddy party. Except that's not the way it is anymore.

We now have a single parent (Republicans) who tries to buy the love of the irresponsible drug-addled dropout teenager (Democrats).  But there's never enough.

139 OT from this morning.   You know how the French don't care that the yutes burn cars cuz it only happens in the yute heavy areas?   Do they just block the streets to keep them confined? 

140 78

Marco Rubio. It should be noted he voted no on this clusterfuck. And he -- this is key -- did not denigrate Republicans who did.

This is how it's played.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 02, 2013 04:20 PM (T0NGe)

His electability hinges upon his ability to shut his fucking yap about adding tens of millions of illegal migrants to the Democrat voter rolls via amnesty.  I'm not certain he could pull that off, though.

141 134 Hey, when do we get Nationalized Dental Care?

I'm kinda surprised that wasn't in Obamacare.



We are following the Brits.  Everyone get's bad teeth as a reward.

142 #129 = seriously though, that helicopter trip was a big "tell" of Christie's real values. He's all about Christie.

143 Tom Wolfe's new book hits on the future of America -- Back to Blood. We'll have the most ethnically balkanized country in American history right as the economy collapses. Who do you turn to? What can you rely on? Blood. Family. Tribe.

144 Dr Spank: "What's Ann Coulter's take on all this?"

Probably lining up a gig for next year's CNN NYE celebrations to fondle CC's sardine.

145 >>>Baja California. Ours. #54. As long as their state animal is the "sombrero wearing donkey painted to look like a zebra", I can get behind this idea.

146
Then split of Canada. Alberta and British Columbia are #52 and #52. Build a fucking superhighway to Alaska.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 02, 2013 04:24 PM (ZPrif)

_______________

Alberta, yes.

BC....uh no thanks. They make Oregon look conservative.

147 Christie has been sending tweet after whining tweet. Apparently he is immune to reason on this. He reminds me of a liberal. Is a party switch in his future?

148 Ann Coulter is on with Howie Carr right now.

I love her, btw.

149 OT from this morning. You know how the French don't care that the yutes burn cars cuz it only happens in the yute heavy areas? Do they just block the streets to keep them confined? Posted by: PaleRider at January 02, 2013 04:34 PM (dkExz) Watch District B13. The entire plot centers around the French simply walling off the undesirables into their own districts in Paris and then not giving a fuck about what happens there.

150
Pigs like their pork. 

Its not gonna change, they 154 page fiscal cliff pork bill they wrote over the last few months and pretended to write in one day because... CRISIS... had massive pork.

The choice was between have everybody's rates go up or just higher incomes go up and massive new spending.  DC of course bellied up to the trough.

Hamhock Cristie just wants his bbq too.

151 You'll think I'm a wonderful, well-providing father divorced parent or step parent... for the next month or so.

152 What;s incredible to me is how few people get it. I'm guessing no more than 30% of the public knows what's happening. Yes we can blame the MSM. But if we actually had an effective leadership in the GOP we wouldn't need the MSM.

153 Dammit I want to puke after reading the comments. Super depressed at the state of our nation. I have some slim, miserable sliver of hope that the states will do something to protect us.

154 The further we tip, the more I'm cutting my spending.  I've got my house in order, near all debt (save mortgage & car) paid off.  This month I'm getting rid of cable in favor of wi-fi to save money and strangle the MSM beast.  Next week (fingers crossed) I'm quitting smoking, to deny the gov taxes, improve my health and keep more money in my wallet.  Every time something new happens I stockpile a little more and lighten my spending at the same time.  It seems the only sensible thing to do, when it's clear that O is going to throw us over the fiscal cliff, no matter what anyone does or says.

155 Hamhock Cristie just wants his bbq too.

Mmmm... BBQ.

Now I want ribs.  And a nice pulled-pork sandwich.

Darn you.

156 New thread.

157 -
The logical flaw in this argument is that the people who wish to spend the money are not the same people that will be expected to make good on the loans. Those of us who live on 75% of our pay, and those who are not yet born are the ones who will make good on the loans, and those of us who watch 9 hours of television per day, shop at WalMart on the first day of the month when the EBT card is reloaded, and want free condoms are the ones doing the borrowing.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 02, 2013 04:06 PM (HrBwt)

__________

You're wrong. The EBT carders don't have to borrow. They get everything they need from Uncle Barrack. People who borrow are the ones who work but are never satisfied with what they have.

158 New up.

159 Hey, when do we get Nationalized Dental Care? I'm kinda surprised that wasn't in Obamacare. Not to worry. Soon your kids can have that same glorious British smile that looks like two rows of Indian corn.

160 South would have survived if they'd just done the Taliban strategy of waiting out the North. Guerrilla warfare. Don't mass. Be brutal. Keep it up until the "conquerors" just get disgusted and leave with a "to hell with you savages". With modern media you only have to last 7-10 years.

161 DAMNIT, now I am depressed and I want ribs. You guys SUCK.

162 So, only a year or so. But did people in the North still hold out that it wasn't going to happen during all of that time or was there some interval between the Northern populations coming to the opinion that war was inevitable and it happening?

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 02, 2013 04:33 PM (eP0u9)


WTF??  Ft Sumter was bombed in April 1861, basically immediately after Lincoln took office and refused to remove his troops from SC.

Clearly you went to a Yankee Public School.  Read here:


http://tinyurl.com/z9yoo

163 155 Dammit I want to puke after reading the comments. Super depressed at the state of our nation. I have some slim, miserable sliver of hope that the states will do something to protect us. The states want Federal money so they don't have to raise state taxes. It's why so many states have Republican governors but there are more Democrat Senators.

164 Posted by: yankeefifth at January 02, 2013 04:28 PM (Z9EHQ)

Bread and Circuses killed the Roman Republic.  Why would ours be any different?  People haven't changed all that much have they?  From Rome, to Nietzsche to Foucault...no change.
Ergo, History will repeat itself of course.  The populace will continue to vote for those who provide them bread and blood.  Meanwhile the only way to bind future congresses is with an amendment.  I don't know how to do it, but frankly it's either that, or AllenG's divorce.  The latter looks more probably right now to be sure.
(FWIW, state BBAs with no federal one just shift the problem.  States run out of money, and their congress critters are more than happy to go find it for them.)

165 Watch District B13. The entire plot centers around the French simply walling off the undesirables into their own districts in Paris and then not giving a fuck about what happens there.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 02, 2013 04:36 PM (VtjlW)

_____________

Second look at relocating to Paree?

166 Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at January 02, 2013 04:39 PM (wR+pz)

..hehehe... thx.... saved me alot of keystrokes.

167 " if we are not able to make a convincing argument that raising taxes to increase spending when we are out of room to borrow money is a bad idea it is the wrong time to start opening up the Constitution to blank slate revisions.

Posted by: yankeefifth at January 02, 2013 04:28 PM (Z9EHQ)"

But who says the arguments aren't convincing? The Left? Well, that's their job. The media? They are just as partisan as anyone involved in the discussion. If my understanding is correct, the relevant parties in Constitutional matters like this are the state legislatures and they seem to be as friendly to limited government now as they have been in a long time.

168

Few people aren't in some kind of debt. And if they aren't in debt then their credit rating is bad

 

Heh. Yup.

169 I may have posted this anecdote here before, but it bears repeating. This is why politics and especially Republicans will never, ever redress our spending problem. ---- So a mid to late twentysomething guy helps me on a job. He’s 2nd gen Vietnamese ancestry, so grew up in the Nation Below Canada. Went to expensive private college, typically strong work ethic as you might expect, buys real estate early in life, everything you would expect and want in a fellow productive citizen. Even talked about incorporating to pay less in taxes (wouldn’t work in his case but this is irrelevant here). Yet the handful of times I met him he always makes a sidelong comment about two things: not minding paying more taxes and especially “now we can buy medical insurance despite pre-existing conditions.” The guy will clearly be successful in life and work steadily, often, saving money and planning for his future. However, who is he really? When he gets excited about Obamacare, it’s over that one little thing, pre-existing conditions. That is, to state it clearly, the ability to force at legal gunpoint a business to sell you something on your own terms, no matter what the business wants. But so what? It’s not like he’s stealing. He still has to pay for his policy. It’s just a reasonable, nay, obvious regulation; common sense. Why wouldn’t you force a business to operate according to such compassionate rules? This guy will never, ever vote Republican because Republicans can’t be trusted to enact such reasonable, simple regulations, so clearly free of unintended consequences. So he will vote for the reasonable regulation and get the whole Democrat package in the bargain. He is lost to Republicans: an educated, hard-working Asian descendant. Free Shit Army recruits by increments and little steps, mostly cultural and steps no right thinking person could oppose. Free Shit Army doesn’t wear flip-flops and sweatpants, it wears suits or hip clothes and maintains grooming as well as his lawn. Free Shit Army pays taxes, doesn’t mind it when they inch up and also takes every deduction and credit possible. Free Shit Army cares about playing by the rules and votes to bend the rules his way. He doesn’t think he is Free Shit Army, but… He IS Free Shit Army.

170 The problem is that New Jersey and New York give an enormous amount of money to the federal government not the least of which is their income tax. They pay enormous state and city taxes and school taxes. Probably the most taxed individuals in the country. They feel they've paid for everything all over the country without a peep and now when they need the help, you guys want to turn your back on them cause you don't like them. Will they land on their feet without the federal aid, yep you betcha they will. They'll come back better than ever. But, that's not the issue. They paid in for years and years and get little back and now that their turn has come you selfish sots want to turn your back on them.

171 Meanwhile the only way to bind future congresses is with an amendment. Oh, you silly fellow. Didn't you read that NYT editorial? The Constitution is irrelevant. Just look at Obama's governance.

172 @171,

We did a piss poor job of explaining the Portability part of HIPPA that's what happened in that case.
We had a sensible solution to it. (Granted the rest of HIPPA was a joke.)

173 The Civil War/Secession weren't popular (in the populous sense) decisions, those decisions were made by military and political leaders. Just as many ordinary people in the South knew slavery was an evil that would destroy the country, many ordinary Northerners felt that Southern States should be allowed to make that decision themselves. There was war between the two anyway. I don't see those kind of pol/mil figures in place today. No principles last beyond the next pork bill, never mind ever getting a Const. Amendment or radical realignment going.

174 So, only a year or so. But did people in the North still hold out that it wasn't going to happen during all of that time or was there some interval between the Northern populations coming to the opinion that war was inevitable and it happening?

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 02, 2013 04:33 PM (eP0u9)

 

 

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It started happening years before actual shots were fired with  the families splitting the perverbial sheets.   The most telling was when the US military command structure started splitting up, some  for the north and some for the south.

175 Beginning to think BS, Inc is a BS troll, or really stupid.  I'll give him a break.


Just another Public School moron, trying to sound intelligent, but making a bad start at it.


Son, we don't teach history here.  If you don't know it. don't post.  Try Huff Po or somewhere where they don't know history either.

176 We did a piss poor job of explaining the Portability part of HIPPA that's what happened in that case. Don't expect NPR or Jon Stewart to tell my "friend" about that. Because that's where he gets all of his news.

177

I propose a major cutback in spending! We'll buy 55" TVs instead of 63".

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in DC that becomes;

I propose a major cutback in spending! We'll upgrade the 55" to a 75" TV instead of 79".

baseline entertainment

178

144 and 129

It goes farther back than that.  Remember his keynote address at the RNC? Me, Me, Me.  Contrast that to Giulani's the last time.  He's just a politician out for himself and taking the most expedient route.  Shocker!

179 Just another Public School moron, trying to sound intelligent, but making a bad start at it.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at January 02, 2013 04:45 PM (wR+pz)

This coming from a guy who spent this whole thread railing aginst the "Yankees" and "Yankee Public Schools" like it's 1865. 

180

You'll think I'm a wonderful, well-providing father... for the next month or so.

After that, you may hold a different opinion of me. Major negative changes in circumstance tend to do that.

But for now-- 3D TVs. Have you ever seen such a clear, sort of three dimensional picture? Aren't I your hero? At this moment, I mean.

Thing is when they get tossed out of their home they always blame someone else. Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. That's why Barry is popular with the idiot class. He promises them free things with no explanations.

181 The problem is that those living off the State have better stuff than I do.  I leave for work at 6:00 a.m. and don't get home until after 6:30 p.m.  I don't buy my kids fancy shoes and they don't have the latest cell phone.  I can cut my spending all I want-I still have to be the one that supports not only my kids but a bunch of others, ones I got no pleasure in producing and who won't assist me in my old age.  Christie doesn't give a damn about the pork in the bill-give me my money.  Ray Liotta in Goodfellas couldn't say it any better.

182 The problem is that New Jersey and New York give an enormous amount of money to the federal government not the least of which is their income tax. They pay enormous state and city taxes and school taxes. Probably the most taxed individuals in the country. They feel they've paid for everything all over the country without a peep and now when they need the help, you guys want to turn your back on them cause you don't like them. Will they land on their feet without the federal aid, yep you betcha they will. They'll come back better than ever. But, that's not the issue. They paid in for years and years and get little back and now that their turn has come you selfish sots want to turn your back on them.

Posted by: the comedy team of pk and cc at January 02, 2013 04:43 PM (/b8+5)

 

 

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Oh, boo fucking hoo.  Which states pretty much gave us this mess to begin with?  Which of these states voted overwhelmingly for Dear Leader?

 

183
172 The problem is that New Jersey and New York give an enormous amount of money to the federal government not the least of which is their income tax. They pay enormous state and city taxes and school taxes. Probably the most taxed individuals in the country. They feel they've paid for everything all over the country without a peep and now when they need the help, you guys want to turn your back on them cause you don't like them. Will they land on their feet without the federal aid, yep you betcha they will. They'll come back better than ever. But, that's not the issue. They paid in for years and years and get little back and now that their turn has come you selfish sots want to turn your back on them.



That is simply, HORSE SHIT.  Do I have to be the fact checker all day? Blue state pay more, they GET more too.





http://tinyurl.com/8ac3qqk

184 Super disappointed in Christie demagoguing the crap out of this. That is all.

185 @185

oops read the chart wrong.  Look like the Yankees are getting fucked.

Good for them!

186 "WTF?? Ft Sumter was bombed in April 1861, basically immediately after Lincoln took office and refused to remove his troops from SC.

Clearly you went to a Yankee Public School. Read here:


http://tinyurl.com/z9yoo

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at January 02, 2013 04:39 PM (wR+pz)"

Hey, at least I know what year it happened, if not the month, and that the important issue was less slavery and more states' rights and federalism, my "Yankee public schooling" notwithstanding. And my stepdad is from SC and when I visit and hang out with him and his good old boy buddies and the rest of his family, we all have a great time, so no need to get all regional on me.

187 I actually thought #172 was satire. You guys might be barking up the wrong tree.

188

Few people aren't in some kind of debt. And if they aren't in debt then their credit rating is bad

_______


Aside from a mortgage I have no debt whatsoever.

And my credit rating is about as close to perfect as you can get.

189 In instances like Sandy the federal government should allow the individual states to keep the federal income tax money and use it to mitigate the disaster.

190 Those who are trying to attach pork should be spotlighted and dragged through the mud until they stop. But with our media...no chance. On another note, while I'm all for helping our fellow citizens when in need, which I have done in Sandy's case through charitable giving, I moved to AZ partly to escape the destructive, productivity-killing and costly weather events like tornadoes, hurricanes, blizzards, floods as well as likelihood of natural events like earthquakes. Seriously...it's one of the things I like about this part of the country. In 19 years, I haven't had to waste minutes warming up my car or shoveling a driveway or take a few days off for a snow storm or a flooded basement. Never had an insurance claim. I don't particularly like that I still have to pay for inevitable damages to property of people who choose to live in the paths of tornados or hurricanes, on fault lines, or locations with high annual rain or snowfall. Shouldn't these types of tax bills be local, with the national help a bit more focused on charity?

191 This coming from a guy who spent this whole thread railing aginst the "Yankees" and "Yankee Public Schools" like it's 1865.

Posted by: Heralder at January 02, 2013 04:48 PM (+xmn4)

And your point? 

Someone that doesn't know when or why the War between the States started clearly is a YANKEE.

192 Hey, go f*ck yourself!  Bada-bing!

193 Heh, this is the conversation I have had with my wife for almost 20 years. Now two teenagers and the debt that won't stop - she keeps asking "Where is the money". I told her we are still paying for vacations - that she felt she deserved - that we took 9 years ago. The House Republicans are the boring father who won't flick out the credit card and Obama is the cool father that keeps taking all the kids where ever they want to goÂ…Â… Eventually when Obama gets the bill - he will hand it to my grown sons.

194 My parents have no debt. Period. House is paid off and has been for 10 years or so.

195 Son, we don't teach history here.

I learn something new every time we have a discussion about the War Between The States. 

196 @188

We'll OK then, I apologize. 

197 189 I actually thought #172 was satire. You guys might be barking up the wrong tree. Posted by: Heralder at January 02, 2013 04:52 PM (+xmn4) You loves us, you really loves us!

198 @188

Welcome back to the fight.



http://tinyurl.com/akro8nj

199 196 My parents have no debt. Period. House is paid off and has been for 10 years or so. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 02, 2013 04:54 PM (HDgX3) If you are such a model of economic success and those around you are models of economic success then why haven't you offered your services to those mathematically challenged folks on the hill. Your probably a teacher, those folks are the millionaire next door. They'll be fine.

200 "Son, we don't teach history here. If you don't know it. don't post.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at January 02, 2013 04:45 PM (wR+pz)"

I've been reading this blog since it started and I know that this isn't true. If you don't want to cut a fellow some slack, fine, but don't pretend like people can't ask questions and get straight answers. If I wanted the wikipedia answer, I would have gone to wikipedia. I was asking here because there are a lot of subtleties in interpreting history that don't always come through at wikipedia or other academic sources with a bias against the Southern point of view.

I wasn't trying to "sound smart", I was asking how public opinion on the inevitability of the Civil War evolved because I didn't know the answer.

201 70 Relief efforts? Hurricane Hazel, over 1,000 died, over $2 billion in damages. Suck it up Yankees. Total relief spending? $41 million in 2009 dollars. http://tinyurl.com/5hkdk9 Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual -- But that was in a currency that was backed by gold. We're talking about inflated Bernanke Bucks here. Someone do the math for me please....I need to finish off my second Angus Burger with fries.

202 "198 @188

We'll OK then, I apologize.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at January 02, 2013 04:55 PM (wR+pz)"

Alright, man, apology accepted.

203 Posted by: BS Inc. at January 02, 2013 04:57 PM (eP0u9) Saw Lincoln the other night. Had no idea Mary Todd wasn't crazy and that Lincoln would have made the mafia blush.

204 What?!  Over 200 comments and NO ONE has said they are going to break out the popcorn?  

205

Someone that doesn't know when or why the War between the States started clearly is a YANKEE.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at January 02, 2013 04:53 PM (wR+pz)

lol. You're great.  It's like I pull a lever and you scream "YANKEE" in anger

. 

206 Someone that doesn't know when or why the War between the States started clearly is a YANKEE. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at January 02, 2013 04:53 PM (wR+pz) Shall we get you a "sore loser" shirt, sir?

207 I'm breaking out the popcorn and BLT  sammiches.

208 I am beginning to feel like you Yankees will soon understand living in an occupied nation, cause now we all are.

Reminds me of this.  Maybe we need someone to sing:



http://tinyurl.com/cqwlcl9

209 Quoting ejo: "The problem is that those living off the State have better stuff than I do. I leave for work at 6:00 a.m. and don't get home until after 6:30 p.m. I don't buy my kids fancy shoes and they don't have the latest cell phone. I can cut my spending all I want-I still have to be the one that supports not only my kids but a bunch of others, ones I got no pleasure in producing and who won't assist me in my old age."

Welcome to Obamica!

210 But who says the arguments aren't convincing? The Left? Well, that's their job. The media? They are just as partisan as anyone involved in the discussion. If my understanding is correct, the relevant parties in Constitutional matters like this are the state legislatures and they seem to be as friendly to limited government now as they have been in a long time. Posted by: BS Inc. at January 02, 2013 04:41 PM (eP0u9) brother I am with you on the arguments being convincing. I believe they are convincing and compelling, however, given who we have making the arguments we are going to lose. I think it is because we have been arguing on the communists grounds about who should pay how much and what is a fair share that we are losing.

211

Billy, who's the current president of the Confederacy?  If you answer while using the term "yankee" more than once or even "yankee dogs" you get extra points.

212 "I'm breaking out the popcorn and BLT sammiches.

Posted by: Soona at January 02, 2013 05:01 PM (ki2Vw)"

The BLT's are gonna get outlawed soon (now that the vortex we call the federal government is now forcing socialist health care on all of us), so enjoy them while you can!  I think I'm going to have one today, too.

213 You can tell the people who have no idea what the Civil War was about. They're the ones still trying to fight it.

214 "lol. You're great. It's like I pull a lever and you scream "YANKEE" in anger.

Posted by: Heralder at January 02, 2013 04:59 PM (+xmn4)"

I read something the other day that said liberals favorite form of entertainment is making fun of conservatives and conservatives favorite form of entertainment is college football.

The liberal preference is so obviously a tell for how intellectually insecure they are and that the only way they can get that rush of feeling superior is to try to make someone else look bad. For most of human history, this has been known as "poor character".

215 To whoever commented about the FSAers having better stuff than the folks paying for it all--congratulations, you just stumbled on the problem. Does anyone actually need 99" HDTVs, BlueRay movie libraries that cover your wall, a smartphone with more power than what sent Apollo missions to the moon, three gaming consoles, an iPad, the latest fashions each season, cable with 5700 channels (with nothin' on), the latest car with all the widgets, a McMansion, and a vacation to DisneyWhatever? I think you can guess the answer. When luxuries stopped being rewards for success and started being something everyone was entitled to, that was when the DOOM set in. That was the hook, and we bit hard.

216 @213

Got me?  Zombie Jeff Davis quit May 10, 1865.  Last Cabinet meeting was held in Charlotte.

217 By the way. Yankees is a substitute for Blue State idiots.  Look at the map.  A 150 years later, the same people are trying to impose their will on the same people.

Let's not forget the only state NOT to sign the Deceleration of Independence.


Take a guess?


NY

218

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 02, 2013 05:07 PM (eP0u9)

Yes, we conservatives around here sternly frown on making fun of anyone.

219

The Vietnamese kid might have had the following thought:  Why does it make sense that pre-existing conditions get covered under an insurance policy that I get from my employer but I can't purchase such a policy myself.  Pre-existing conditions are the same and no one seems to be bothered by mandatory coverage under one policy but it is communist to mandate the coverage under the latter scenario.  Maybe the R's could have done something about that "one little thing" he cared about but they were too busy busting the budget in the Bush Era to worry about such things.  Obama has just doubled down and uses all the issues that could have been Republican to do it.

220 Buy gold. Let it burn.  Fuck Christie.

221

In that light, can you blame Christie the politician for going with the inevitable?

 

 The crap has hit the fan for the Greeks. Last I read there weren't many of them  blaming the people who provided them with free stuff that there was no money to pay for. And not many of the citizenry stepping up and saying, enough is enough, time to pay the piper.

 

When it hits the fan here, "the people" will probably give Obama a pass because he's in with the in crowd, and blame W (or anyone who dared try to deny 'the people' their stuff). 

222 "I think it is because we have been arguing on the communists grounds about who should pay how much and what is a fair share that we are losing.

Posted by: yankeefifth at January 02, 2013 05:03 PM (Z9EHQ)"

It is always ridiculous to me to hear "fair share" not accompanied by a specific number and the rationale for that number.

I'd also love to hear the GOP talk about who benefits from spending and at what levels. Why should someone who costs the government $50K/year in benefits have to pay $100K/year in taxes? I'm not saying that there needs to be a strict "if you pay $1 in taxes, you should get $1 in benefits" but at the upper levels, it gets ridiculous to contrast how much is paid in tax vs. the amount of benefit that person or household gets from those taxes paid. It basically amounts to theft from high earners at this point and I think that most people would be a little uneasy with justifying that to themselves if the numbers were laid out for them. Not to mention what diverting resources from high-income savers to low-income consumers does to long-term capital formation. Sometimes it seems like if it were up to the Left, there would be no savings and everything would go to boost short-term consumption.

223 It could akin to driving your car on empty for a week to see if the price comes down before you fill up. Then on day 8 of driving on empty you stall in the fast lane and will not start and needs a push to the curb. After walking to the station with a Jerry can you see that the gas price has gone up from when you first hit empty. When you get the car going and then to the gas station you only put in $20 to see if the cost will come down in the next few days to so you can fill it up and save a few bucks. Well after this cycle has gone over a several times where your drive on empty, run out and then never fill up with every time the gas cost only goes up and never down. But if you filled up when empty you would have saved when the price goes up but one does not think that is savings as it is future savings. Or something like that.

224 "Yes, we conservatives around here sternly frown on making fun of anyone.

Posted by: Heralder at January 02, 2013 05:11 PM (+xmn4)"

The point is more about aggregate preferences and that if conservatives didn't exist, liberals would have to make them up to get that rush of superiority. If liberals didn't exist, conservatives would spend their time watching even more college football and less time making fun of stupid liberals.

That's a big character difference in that one little fact.

225 Quoting RM: "When it hits the fan here, 'the people' will probably give Obama a pass because he's in with the in crowd, and blame W (or anyone who dared try to deny 'the people' their stuff)."

When the people blame the ones warning about economic disaster rather than the ones that caused it, then a nation is doomed.  ~ Wise saying brought to you by Dawn Dish Soap..."Dawn Is Here To Clean Up"...and by the letter L.

226 By the way. Yankees is a substitute for Blue State idiots. Look at the map. A 150 years later, the same people are trying to impose their will on the same people.

Let's not forget the only state NOT to sign the Deceleration of Independence.


Take a guess?


NY

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at January 02, 2013 05:11 PM (wR+pz)

I have lately been thinking that one of the biggest problems facing this nation is that so much of it's direction is coming from people with a New York mindset.  The City of New York is located such that it was inevitable that it would be wealthy.  Wealthy people become disconnected from a grounded reality because the consequences of bad decisions for them are non life threatening, whereas for a poor person they might very well be fatal.

227 162 South would have survived if they'd just done the Taliban strategy of waiting out the North. Guerrilla warfare. Don't mass. Be brutal. Keep it up until the "conquerors" just get disgusted and leave with a "to hell with you savages".

Probably not. The economic blockades and embargoes were strangling  the South. Meanwhile, a guerilla force doesn't stop a large army that can march where it wants and burn every damned city they come to. The South would have ended up pretty much the same way but worse -- in ashes.

228 Posted by: BS Inc. at January 02, 2013 05:17 PM (eP0u9) yep. since no one ever has the discussion most people never think about the problem. why not have everyone pay the same dollar amount of taxes? if not the same dollar amount then why not the same percentage? why should someone have to pay a higher percentage when in a flat tax structure they would be paying a higher dollar value?

229 When the bleep actually hits the fan, cities are going to burn.  Our welfare parasites are a lot more violent and psychopathic than those of Greece.  It won't be a matter of blame when the bodies are being counted. 

230 @229

I agree totally.  The South surrendered and except for some rather disgraceful actions by the North, AKA not giving Lee his citizenship or property back until the courts required them too, the surrender went very well.

Yankees came down, took all our property and installed their own government and generally occupied and plundered the South for 30 years.


It was a lot of fun.  We really enjoyed it, but we had no chance of winning a guerrilla  war.  Simply put, we had too little men left to fight.

231 Awww, the moral superiority of the slave holder defender is a wonder to behold. "I only whipped the sub-human ni@@er to defend my States rights, I swear! It had nothing to do with the economics of the textile industry."

232 Hey, 228, not everyone in NYC is a jerk. I am a native New Yorker and I'm more pissed than anyone about this crap. New York practically invented "what did you expect?" when I was a kid - it was all about consequences. We didn't go on relief, we counted our change, we watched our handbags and wallets, we didn't buy stuff on credit, and we mocked deadbeats, soreheads, drunks, punks, skunks, skanks, lightweights, rent-seekers, moochers, and - most important - their egghead defenders,  who bought whatever sob stories those hustlers were selling at the time. Not everyone in NYC is rich, on welfare, or out of touch.

233 Red States send puss-bag RINO's like Graham and McCain to DC for decades, give them key leadership positions and then blame whatever random Blue Staters show up for their own failures. Until "conservative" states like SC and AZ start doing better, the "red-Staters" should probably shut the fuck up.

234 Quoting ejo: "When the bleep actually hits the fan, cities are going to burn. Our welfare parasites are a lot more violent and psychopathic than those of Greece. It won't be a matter of blame when the bodies are being counted."

Replace the word "Zombie" with the word "Leech" in the term Zombie Apocalypse and there you go.

235 Seen several numbers floating around but I read they are demanding 60 billion BILLLION dollars?  What in the world for?  Because they didn't properly insure their homes?  I've lived through a lot of hurricane's in TX.  We take care of ourselves.  Words cannot describe how much this pisses me off that we're going to payout all this money and it doesn't occur to anybody to raise their hand and ask why?  Because you're just a meanie if you don't give money to hurricane victims apparently.  Oh, but if you're a wildfire victim in TX, fuck you!

236 There is not a single "conservative leader" worthy of the name.  There is not a single one of them that I trust or that can be counted on.  That fat fuck Christie is just another in a long, long line of traitors who talked the talk but couldn't walk the walk.

He is a tiny little man in a great big body.