August 09, 2013
— Ace I find this sort of column trivial and silly. But conservatives pump it out, with minor variations, ever three months.
I have no real problem with it... I don't disagree with it, so much as I think it's just silly. It pleases readers while being perfectly trivial in its ambitions.
And this is Charles Krauthammer, who is a pretty smart guy. But I really do think this whole "Let's kick up a fuss about what euphemisms we use for terrorism" thing is kind of stale.
We conservatives, as a group, minted quite a few of these sorts of columns from 2001 to 2006 and I think all that can be said has been said.
I suppose my main problem is that I don't see the problem with using diplomatic language to discuss tricky things. I don't mean the absurd "workplace violence" claim about Nisan; that is an outrage.
But I don't see how the ball is advanced much by declaring, forthrightly, that America is engaged in War on Radical Islam. Which isn't true per se; we're engaged in a war on terrorist cells within radical Islam. Given that one third (or more) of the Islamic world adheres to what you'd call Radical Islam, I don't see it as a "war" on all of Radical Islam, unless people really want to bomb Lahore.
Which, by the way, yeah I know. It's a thought, I grant you.
So what we're engaged in is a war on terrorism supported by Radical Islam and a political/diplomatic effort to calm the not-terrorist (yet) elements of Radical Islam down.
Anyway, just an opinion. You may disagree. I just find this sort of a Kabuki argument we make when we don't have anything bad to say but want to say something.
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Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at August 09, 2013 01:25 PM (4qnX5)
Posted by: GardenGnome at August 09, 2013 01:27 PM (8iy5P)
Posted by: gebrauchshund at August 09, 2013 01:39 PM (WUFRY)
But the problem is that we SHOULD be at War with Radical Islam...
Because otherwise, we are just treating symptoms, not causes...
It would have been like if in WW2 we had been... Hey! We invaded Guam! We're done now...
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 09, 2013 02:23 PM (lZBBB)
Note.... the Cold War was not JUST with the Soviet Union.... it was Democracy against Communism....
This is like.... Hey! we defeated Khazakstan! So we're done now...
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 09, 2013 02:26 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: UWP at August 09, 2013 02:28 PM (r98SZ)
Posted by: Bomb em Back to Stoneage at August 09, 2013 02:29 PM (PGng7)
Posted by: Fritz at August 09, 2013 02:29 PM (K7xnX)
Posted by: Cato at August 09, 2013 02:30 PM (XnrTk)
Posted by: toby928© at August 09, 2013 02:31 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: redenzo at August 09, 2013 02:31 PM (888y+)
That is all.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 09, 2013 02:32 PM (A4hKL)
Posted by: toby928© at August 09, 2013 02:33 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: soothsayer & lewis, together again at August 09, 2013 02:34 PM (L25bK)
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One wonders when the citizens get to defend their republic from domestic enemies.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 09, 2013 02:34 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: toby928© at August 09, 2013 02:34 PM (QupBk)
Filner has been accused of sexual harassment by 14 women, many of whom were victims of sexual assault while serving in the military.
In an open letter to Filner, Boxer requested he “step down immediately.”
Posted by: Terry O'Neill at August 09, 2013 02:35 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: toby928© at August 09, 2013 02:36 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Terry O'Neill
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Odd that a patently reasonable demand should be newsworthy..., but then we are talking Dems here.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 09, 2013 02:36 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at August 09, 2013 02:36 PM (PH+2B)
Posted by: Purity Republican at August 09, 2013 02:36 PM (v1mq9)
Posted by: RINO at August 09, 2013 02:37 PM (XnrTk)
Posted by: dr kill at August 09, 2013 02:37 PM (BTguA)
Posted by: soothsayer & lewis, together again at August 09, 2013 02:38 PM (L25bK)
Posted by: RINO at August 09, 2013 02:39 PM (XnrTk)
Posted by: BignJames at August 09, 2013 02:39 PM (ZNQKl)
Posted by: soothsayer & lewis, together again at August 09, 2013 02:40 PM (L25bK)
Yeah it is pretty pretty that they think asking you be able to tell the parties apart is "purity GOP" now...
they're in for a shock.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 09, 2013 02:40 PM (A4hKL)
Posted by: toby928© at August 09, 2013 02:40 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Trouble comes in threes at August 09, 2013 02:40 PM (PRpc+)
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Politically Strategic Withdrawal.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 09, 2013 02:41 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 09, 2013 02:41 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: toby928© at August 09, 2013 02:42 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Cato at August 09, 2013 02:42 PM (XnrTk)
Posted by: soothsayer & lewis, together again at August 09, 2013 02:42 PM (L25bK)
Posted by: redenzo at August 09, 2013 02:43 PM (888y+)
Words matter right up until when they don't...
games like "Overseas Contingency Operations" and "AQ on the Run but we need to pull the circus tents b/c 'credible threat'..." bring us closer to "their not mattering"
Posted by: sven10077 at August 09, 2013 02:43 PM (A4hKL)
Posted by: soothsayer & lewis, together again at August 09, 2013 02:44 PM (L25bK)
Posted by: BignJames at August 09, 2013 02:44 PM (ZNQKl)
Obvious racist
Posted by: Uncle Tom at August 09, 2013 06:28 PM (e8kgV)
We prefer Jegro around here.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 09, 2013 02:44 PM (gqgiP)
Posted by: soothsayer & lewis, together again at August 09, 2013 02:45 PM (L25bK)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 09, 2013 06:41 PM (aDwsi)
I was thinking "Enhanced Relocation" or something Posted by: BignJames
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How about 'Horrible Customer Service'?
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 09, 2013 02:45 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: NCKate at August 09, 2013 02:45 PM (QfaZI)
Seems to me, Ace, that Democrats are engaged in simultaneously building up (using our tax dollars) and caving in to Muzzie terror, while Republicans and so-called "Conservatives" are engaged in a war to simultaneously sit back idly and let the Democrats (led by noted terrorist enabler and all-around treasonous fuckweasel Choom Boy) have their way while talking endlessly about the ramifications, permutations and philosophy behind the whole frigging mess.
Oh, and the Republicans/conservatives cast their eyes toward every poll and every utterance from the MFM to make sure they're not pissing off any who Matters.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 09, 2013 02:45 PM (kaGpp)
Ask your mother who am I, if she can walk.
Posted by: Purity Republican at August 09, 2013 02:45 PM (v1mq9)
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood (Mentioned in Despatches) at August 09, 2013 02:45 PM (yL0v8)
Posted by: soothsayer & lewis, together again at August 09, 2013 02:46 PM (L25bK)
Sadly my mother is:
1) dead
2) cremated
3) female and as such unlikely to have warranted your affections friendo.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 09, 2013 02:47 PM (A4hKL)
Posted by: soothsayer & lewis, together again at August 09, 2013 02:47 PM (L25bK)
Posted by: BignJames at August 09, 2013 02:47 PM (ZNQKl)
Posted by: His Honor the Mayor (I'm in recovery) at August 09, 2013 02:47 PM (yL0v8)
Posted by: soothsayer & lewis, together again at August 09, 2013 02:47 PM (L25bK)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Yeah I was complaining about chiggers the other day, and the folks around me became curiously silent. I started to float 'chigros' but sensed that I was very thin ice.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 09, 2013 02:47 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Piers Morgan at August 09, 2013 02:48 PM (r2PLg)
History has shown they calm down pretty fast when confronted with absolutely unapologetic levels of force. A philosophy not applied by either of the most recent two American presidential administrations.
Trying to do "nation-building" in the Ummah is insane. They don't respect that. They view it as a weak-horse attempt to cravenly subvert their religious loyalties.
What they do respect is the strong horse. Who comes and kicks the shit out of them, destroys everything in sight including mosques, and says, "Expect more of this if there's any more trouble," and then FUCKING LEAVES. No humanitarian nonsense. No aid. No food. No money. Nothing. Kill people, break things, and LEAVE the wreckage behind after issuing suitably frightening warnings.
Every single successful Western-world engagement with Islam has worked this way.
Whereas all of the unsuccessful engagements have relied on humanitarian nonsense. Which is demanded by Islam but not respected if and once delivered. They themselves would never behave that way if they had been the ones with the upper hand. Why then would they respect anyone who does?
Posted by: torquewrench at August 09, 2013 02:48 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 09, 2013 06:45 PM (kaGpp)
both parties know that Islamic Terrorism is NOT an Existential threat to America...
Sadly... the Laws they put in place to fight this 'threat', are....
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 09, 2013 02:49 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: toby928© presents at August 09, 2013 02:49 PM (QupBk)
Republican sequester.
What's the Republican euphemism for "sure, I'll bend over?"
Posted by: Fritz at August 09, 2013 02:49 PM (K7xnX)
Dr. Spank
Posted by: Shatner at August 09, 2013 06:47 PM (QupBk
toby928©
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 09, 2013 02:50 PM (jcnm8)
"Enhanced Interrogation". "Pro-Life".
Posted by: bonhomme at August 09, 2013 02:50 PM (A0glY)
Posted by: BignJames at August 09, 2013 02:50 PM (ZNQKl)
Posted by: Chromoly Man at August 09, 2013 02:50 PM (zdYb2)
Posted by: toby928© presents at August 09, 2013 02:50 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Piers Morgan at August 09, 2013 02:50 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Purity Republican at August 09, 2013 02:51 PM (v1mq9)
Posted by: Fritz
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Compromise
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 09, 2013 02:51 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Scarlett at August 09, 2013 02:51 PM (AxTX6)
Posted by: Cato at August 09, 2013 02:51 PM (XnrTk)
...and they have no sense of humor, take everything personally.
Posted by: Trouble comes in threes at August 09, 2013 02:52 PM (PRpc+)
Posted by: toby928© presents at August 09, 2013 02:53 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: toby928© presents at August 09, 2013 02:54 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Chromoly Man at August 09, 2013 02:54 PM (zdYb2)
Posted by: toby928© presents at August 09, 2013 02:55 PM (QupBk)
Berry bugs!
What's a berry bug?
Harvest mites!
What's a harvest mite?
Trombiculidae!
Huh?
Chigger!
Oh, those things! Don't use that word, racist.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 09, 2013 02:56 PM (J79eW)
Posted by: Trouble
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But the use of Latin is as discriminatory as the use of cursive, no?
I have no idea what the consequence of penning Latin in cursive would be, but I suspect it would be an extended attendance at sensitivity seminars.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 09, 2013 02:56 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: toby928© presents at August 09, 2013 02:56 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: toby928© presents at August 09, 2013 06:50 PM (QupBk)
They could never invade... and any internal problems, while horrific, could be handled by Law Enforcement, and could never rise to the level of bringing down the Society... even if our Government did nothing... the problem would be solved by the People...
But... Governments NEVER allow an opportunity for more power to go...
War on Drugs? No knock raids and Property seizure...
War on Poverty? put millions of Americans on the doll... where they would then vote for specific Parties...
War on Terror? Spying on EVERY single American...
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 09, 2013 02:56 PM (lZBBB)
I just find this sort of a Kabuki argument we make...
49% of all blog arguments, left or right, are Kabuki. Not illegitmate, per se. But repeats that avoid getting to the heart of the difference.
Posted by: CJ at August 09, 2013 02:58 PM (9G+G5)
Posted by: bob from table9 at August 09, 2013 02:59 PM (H7qrs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCw_j5pYUPk
Posted by: The Mega Independent at August 09, 2013 03:06 PM (Lq5WC)
either way we get the end state we want, and ammo is cheap.
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 09, 2013 03:16 PM (q+fqH)
Posted by: Chromoly Man at August 09, 2013 03:20 PM (zdYb2)
Posted by: Peter pills at August 09, 2013 03:21 PM (bQMb4)
Posted by: UWP at August 09, 2013 03:24 PM (r98SZ)
Posted by: Peter pills at August 09, 2013 03:24 PM (bQMb4)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 09, 2013 03:36 PM (Y5I9o)
Posted by: Tonic Dog at August 09, 2013 03:54 PM (X/+QT)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 09, 2013 04:00 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: BarakaTarkata at August 09, 2013 04:29 PM (si4cu)
Posted by: Chromoly Man at August 10, 2013 02:07 AM (zdYb2)
1. Like most conservatives, you're prone to giving up the ground of contest once you believe a point was made. This gives the destructionists the ground for free.
You seem to be unable to comprehend that the domestic enemy is tenaciously willing to stick to the fight to redefine everything to their own whims and desires, even in the smallest of details.
This is why the destructionists win consistently over time. It's all about endurance.
2. Islam is at war with us. Not radical islam. Sure, there are many islamics that aren't actively engaged in the war, and even a few that take up arms on our side of the fight. But, islam is an ideology of conquest wrapped up in the guise of a religion and islam demands that the world be conquered in the name of islam.
To pretend otherwise is simply cowardice.
Posted by: Grimmy at August 10, 2013 12:43 PM (uUsh9)
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