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January 18, 2013

Then Senator Barack Obama on the national debt [Purp]
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A bit of fresh thread smell before the ONT...

This is a direct cut/paste from the March 16 2006 Congressional Record. No link because they use an on the fly DB retrieval that doesn't produce a static link. You gotta grovel for it the hard way.

Mr. OBAMA. Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America's debt problem.
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure . It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.

Over the past 5 years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion. That is ``trillion'' with a ``T.'' That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the next 5 years, between now and 2011, the President's budget will increase the debt by almost another $3.5 trillion.
Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the Federal Government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we'll spend on Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.
And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.
Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America's priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans--a debt tax that Washington doesn't want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.
But we are not doing that. Despite repeated efforts by Senators CONRAD and FEINGOLD, the Senate continues to reject a return to the commonsense Pay-go rules that used to apply. Previously, Pay-go rules applied both to increases in mandatory spending and to tax cuts. The Senate had to abide by the commonsense budgeting principle of balancing expenses and revenues. Unfortunately, the principle was abandoned, and now the demands of budget discipline apply only to spending.
As a result, tax breaks have not been paid for by reductions in Federal spending, and thus the only way to pay for them has been to increase our deficit to historically high levels and borrow more and more money. Now we have to pay for those tax breaks plus the cost of borrowing for them. Instead of reducing the deficit, as some people claimed, the fiscal policies of this administration and its allies in Congress will add more than $600 million in debt for each of the next 5 years. That is why I will once again cosponsor the Pay-go amendment and continue to hope that my colleagues will return to a smart rule that has worked in the past and can work again.
Our debt also matters internationally. My friend, the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, likes to remind us that it took 42 Presidents 224 years to run up only $1 trillion of foreign-held debt . This administration did more than that in just 5 years. Now, there is nothing wrong with borrowing from foreign countries. But we must remember that the more we depend on foreign nations to lend us money, the more our economic security is tied to the whims of foreign leaders whose interests might not be aligned with ours.
Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ``the buck stops here.'' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem
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and a failure of leadership . Americans deserve better.
I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit .
Mr. GRASSLEY. Mr. President, I urge my colleagues to vote in favor of final passage.
Raising the debt limit is necessary to preserve the full faith and credit of the U.S. Government.
We cannot as a Congress pass spending bills and tax bills and then refuse to pay our bills.
Refusing to raise the debt limit is like refusing to pay your credit card bill--after you've used your credit card.
The time to control the deficits and debt is when we are voting on the spending bills and the tax bills that create it.
Raising the debt limit is about meeting the obligations we have already incurred.
We must meet our obligations. Vote for this bill.

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1 And no one wants to leave the album thread. He was a mediocre U.S. Senator.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at January 18, 2013 05:36 PM (+tsoh)

2 O/T, but read Brooks in the NYT today. He has it right about what Obama and the Democrats want to do.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at January 18, 2013 05:36 PM (PH+2B)

3 That is ``trillion'' with a ``T.''

Looks like those Sesame Street episodes you crammed in before becoming Senator paid off, Barry!

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 18, 2013 05:37 PM (ermEp)

4 TL;DR. Gotta go listen to Oingo Boingo now.

Posted by: johnd01 at January 18, 2013 05:37 PM (r0+v0)

5 what's it called, in a trial, when a fact has already been established and entered into evidence?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 18, 2013 05:37 PM (DlaLh)

6 I could get dirty here but the banhammer would squash me flatter than a dime.

Posted by: Clemenza at January 18, 2013 05:38 PM (x59Gv)

7 I can't even read what he says much less listen to him. It must be a subconscious thing.

Posted by: Linfell at January 18, 2013 05:38 PM (PGO8C)

8 Unfortunately, the principle was abandoned, and now the demands of budget discipline apply only to spending.

This guy could give Hadji a run for top billing.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 18, 2013 05:39 PM (ermEp)

9 Maybe we should send a Dear John letter yo Boehnor...

Posted by: Clemenza at January 18, 2013 05:39 PM (x59Gv)

10 >>> And no one wants to leave the album thread. It's not that they dont want to leave; they can't leave. That thread is like quicksand.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 18, 2013 05:39 PM (0w+w3)

11 He wasn't even mediocre. Boehner should do nothing but quote this speech every damn day. These clowns are not serious.

Posted by: fluffy at January 18, 2013 05:40 PM (tcTgC)

12 LOL like anyone cares about what Obama said 7 years ago

Posted by: chemjeff at January 18, 2013 05:41 PM (BBWjt)

13 I saw people at a party in the 70's. stay near a mirror for 4 hours. like the last thread , through the whole evening

Posted by: Clemenza at January 18, 2013 05:41 PM (x59Gv)

14 Looks like I missed some fun shizz today. Howdy internet moron friends.

Posted by: dogfish at January 18, 2013 05:42 PM (N2yhW)

15 Man I hope we could do a cover Moochell Caboose before I terminate...

Posted by: Clemenza at January 18, 2013 05:43 PM (x59Gv)

16 Refusing to raise the debt limit is like refusing to pay your credit card bill--after you've used your credit card.

No.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 18, 2013 05:44 PM (ermEp)

17 Nothing is as treacherous as serious clown.

Posted by: fluffy at January 18, 2013 05:44 PM (tcTgC)

18 I can't even read what he says much less listen to him. It must be a subconscious thing.

Lindell, it's your CONSCIENCE. You are conscience is telling you this is a really bad guy. As in EVIL.

This is a good thing, as it shows you are a nice person.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 18, 2013 05:46 PM (GoIUi)

19 Oh, that was Grassley.

Or, Obama today.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 18, 2013 05:46 PM (ermEp)

20 Drudge is reporting the Journal News has taken down their interactive map of registered gun owners. Yea!

Posted by: ALH at January 18, 2013 05:46 PM (qyvML)

21 Nothing is as treacherous as serious clown.

Posted by: fluffy at January 18, 2013 09:44 PM (tcTgC)

Nothing is as pathetic as an aging whore.

We could play this game all night.

Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 18, 2013 05:46 PM (aozUR)

22 Suffice it to say TFG sucks cock, really

Posted by: Larry Sinclait at January 18, 2013 05:47 PM (9PzZ0)

23 Oh, and Zero can kiss my ass. What a crock of doody this is. He should shut the heck up already.

Posted by: ALH at January 18, 2013 05:47 PM (qyvML)

24 The Guy waiting to get in for sloppy seconds always bitches until it's his turn to do the fukin I guess.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 18, 2013 05:47 PM (qo244)

25 Hah,post the one about his support of the 2nd Amendment from when he was running for Prez the first time.I posted it the other day.

Posted by: steevy at January 18, 2013 05:48 PM (9XBK2)

26 Horse. Barn door. Lock.

Posted by: eman at January 18, 2013 05:48 PM (tBnjP)

27 All US Presidents are Keynesians. They want the stimulus during their term and then want their successor to pay it off. Bush the Lesser was the biggest Keynesian of all taking a surplus to a $1.2 trillion deficit in only 8 years.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 05:50 PM (zkWV6)

28 NHL "season" starts tomorrow.Boy are they going to be sloppy.What did they have,a week to train?

Posted by: steevy at January 18, 2013 05:51 PM (9XBK2)

29 27 All US Presidents are Keynesians. They want the stimulus during their term and then want their successor to pay it off. Bush the Lesser was the biggest Keynesian of all taking a surplus to a $1.2 trillion deficit in only 8 years. Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 09:50 PM (zkWV6) And what has happened since?

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at January 18, 2013 05:51 PM (+tsoh)

30 Can't look at him or read his words. Have to delurk and hang out with morons to pull myself together enough to keep from going ape shit crazy. I despise TFG with a purple passion.

Posted by: 'Ette in training at January 18, 2013 05:51 PM (zvxqj)

31 If the only power you have in a "relationship " to stop your loved ones from living in poverty was your actual Right to close the purse or wallet and just say NO, and you didn't do it?

Posted by: ette at January 18, 2013 05:52 PM (nqBYe)

32 28 NHL "season" starts tomorrow.Boy are they going to be sloppy.What did they have,a week to train? Posted by: steevy at January 18, 2013 09:51 PM (9XBK2) They had 6 days. On the other hand, an 82-game season is too long. The NHL should not be playing into June.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at January 18, 2013 05:52 PM (+tsoh)

33 taking a surplus

If you have debt, there is no such thing as a surplus.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 18, 2013 05:52 PM (3QaxX)

34 You would get the same non reaction of a tape of Obama burning the American flag while fondling a five year old boy. He has a media force field.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 18, 2013 05:52 PM (yDr5/)

35 I can't play this game all night. I don't know how to copy and paste on this toy.

Posted by: fluffy at January 18, 2013 05:52 PM (tcTgC)

36 "And what has happened since?"

More trillion dollar deficits.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 05:52 PM (zkWV6)

37 fuck that jug eared piece of marxist shit

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 18, 2013 05:53 PM (MPjT8)

38 32 Maybe not,they also don't need 30+ teams.I was hoping several franchises would fold.

Posted by: steevy at January 18, 2013 05:53 PM (9XBK2)

39 Bush the lesser Did not do near the damage until after 2006 when a dem congres was in control.
obama has tripled the debt.

so?

Posted by: ette at January 18, 2013 05:53 PM (nqBYe)

40 ... how ... how ... unexpected!!!!

Posted by: Adriane ... at January 18, 2013 05:54 PM (TvO05)

41 36 "And what has happened since?" More trillion dollar deficits. Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 09:52 PM (zkWV6) So do you believe Obama is big on deficit and debt reduction?

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at January 18, 2013 05:54 PM (+tsoh)

42 Boy are they going to be sloppy.What did they have,a week to train?

Some played overseas, so shouldn't be in too-bad shape. Plus it's not like the '70s; they stay in pretty good tune all year long.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 18, 2013 05:54 PM (ermEp)

43 So has the decision srsly been made to let us cliff dive ?

Posted by: ette at January 18, 2013 05:54 PM (nqBYe)

44 Excellent

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 18, 2013 05:54 PM (pUqSw)

45 IF GW blew up the budget(and he did) it was with TNT,Obama's spending explosion is thermonuclear.

Posted by: steevy at January 18, 2013 05:55 PM (9XBK2)

46 What did the Dem Congress of 2007-08 pass?

Really, it is time to retire that talking fiction point. They passed one spending bill only - TARP. When Bush and Paulson begged Pelosi for it.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 05:55 PM (zkWV6)

47 Think of how wealthy the USA and the American people would be if the Democrat-created nightmares Social Security and Medicare had never been born.

Posted by: eman at January 18, 2013 05:56 PM (tBnjP)

48 42 Yeah,shape wise,but as to playing a team game,not so much.

Posted by: steevy at January 18, 2013 05:56 PM (9XBK2)

49 "29 27 All US Presidents are Keynesians. They want the stimulus during their term and then want their successor to pay it off. Bush the Lesser was the biggest Keynesian of all taking a surplus to a $1.2 trillion deficit in only 8 years. " The problem with Keynesianism is that it's politically untenable. Everybody is happy to increase spending and cut taxes during a recession, but when the economy is expanding trying to raise taxes and cut spending is all but impossible. Obama has achieved only a minuscule revenue increase, and failed to reduce spending altogether.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 05:56 PM (Hz1zc)

50 Herbert, answer my question at #36.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at January 18, 2013 05:57 PM (+tsoh)

51 I am not watching the Inauguration.

My only exceptions:

1. If there is a news flash that Bibi is bombing Iran at 11:45 EST, so I can watch the chaos and media panic.

2. If this is a clusterf**k of epic proportions and there are riots and whining and complaining.

3. If there is a blizzard and they are freezing on that platform.

So those who are watching, tak good notes and relay your message here. Otherwise, I am going to be cleaning closets or something.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 18, 2013 05:57 PM (GoIUi)

52 Ette in training, I like your style. I cannot abide him, either. Rant on!

Posted by: ALH at January 18, 2013 05:57 PM (qyvML)

53 What i do know is several Republicans went before fannie and freddie and attmpted to stop the insanity, and they were instead met with the same force we are now, You hate the poor!
nothing is wrong!
we have it under control!
you are racist.

Posted by: ette at January 18, 2013 05:57 PM (nqBYe)

Obama could have been recorded saying. "I hate Whitey America and if elected, will destroy it" and still get elected. Cult of personality like Stalin and Hitler

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 18, 2013 05:58 PM (MPjT8)

55 Racist!

Posted by: PJ at January 18, 2013 05:58 PM (ZWaLo)

56 those effort s were made between 2001 and into late 2005 They are on video.

Posted by: ette at January 18, 2013 05:59 PM (nqBYe)

57 LETS TALK ABOUT ALBUMS

Posted by: CAC at January 18, 2013 06:00 PM (xRu5L)

58 Ebola could urinate on a toddler on live TV and the MFM would either ignore it or claim his piss has healing powers and the lucky youngling will never be sick again.

Posted by: eman at January 18, 2013 06:00 PM (tBnjP)

59 #57 Albums? I have some great photo albums done with scrapbooking tools. Made a super historical one of my parents with WWII pictures my dad took.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 18, 2013 06:01 PM (GoIUi)

60 We could play this game all night.

Nothing as uninteresting as a Greatest Whole Albums thread.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 18, 2013 06:01 PM (ermEp)

61 TARP was made necessary because of the policies and legislation of the Dems. They kill their parents and bitch about being orphans.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 18, 2013 06:01 PM (aUHCG)

62 CAC, my ADD self is multitasking...

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at January 18, 2013 06:01 PM (+tsoh)

63 53 Republicans PASSED a bill in the House to kill Fannie and Freddie.

HR 1461 - the GSE Reform Act of 2005 by Mike Oxley (R) of Sarbanes-Oxley fame. It passed with 330 votes in the House.

Bush slammed the door on it. Dead.

Fact.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 06:01 PM (zkWV6)

64 Chatted with a nice woman (very nice rack) who is an Obamabot. She really was nice, so I refrained from saying what I thought.

But....my God, what a fucking idiot.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 18, 2013 06:01 PM (GsoHv)

65 possible thread sometime: Things Obama could do and get re-elected

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 18, 2013 06:02 PM (MPjT8)

66 #46 Yes, they refused to pass a budget and then resubmitted it after Obama was inaugurated.

You guys think we don't keep track of this, but we do.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 18, 2013 06:02 PM (GoIUi)

67 Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 10:01 PM (zkWV6) Were you trying to make a point?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 18, 2013 06:03 PM (ROv35)

68 Huh? Wha? Boosh ... SQUIRREL! What? American Idol is on.

Posted by: Obama.Voter at January 18, 2013 06:04 PM (Q8Wa9)

69 Herbert Hymenhopper,
thank you for that , i will look it up tomorrow, that's a rather interesting needle.

Posted by: ette at January 18, 2013 06:04 PM (nqBYe)

70 Were you trying to make a point?

Same boring point he always fails to make: "BOOOOOSSSSHH!!!"

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 18, 2013 06:04 PM (ermEp)

71 Obama could have been recorded saying. "I hate Whitey America and if elected, will destroy it" and still get elected. Cult of personality like Stalin and Hitler

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 18, 2013 09:58 PM (MPjT

And the MFM would have bleated that we're taking it out of context because we're racists

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 18, 2013 06:05 PM (IywpV)

72 63 53 Republicans PASSED a bill in the House to kill Fannie and Freddie. HR 1461 - the GSE Reform Act of 2005 by Mike Oxley (R) of Sarbanes-Oxley fame. It passed with 330 votes in the House. Bush slammed the door on it. Dead. Fact. Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 10:01 PM (zkWV6) It didn't pass the Senate. It wasn't Bush's fault. And yes, you'll say, "Heavens! The Senate was in GOP hands!" But welcome to the land of the 60-vote threshold. Even if something makes complete and utter sense the minority may not go for it.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at January 18, 2013 06:05 PM (+tsoh)

73
And no one wants to leave the album thread.

He was a ~~mediocre~~ stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure U.S. Senator.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at January 18, 2013 09:36 PM (+tsoh)

Mediocre is far to generous.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 18, 2013 06:05 PM (mETGQ)

74 "68 American Idol is on." Screw American Idol. I'm drinking sugary soft drinks and playing violent video games.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 06:05 PM (Hz1zc)

75 In fact if Ebola urinated on a kid on live TV it would become the latest "thing". Lefty parents would have pee parties where they would urinate on each other's kids. Teachers would be encouraged to urinate on children to foster unity and diversity all in one simple act of evacuation. Matt Damon and other semi-famous people would pee on kids for charity.

Posted by: eman at January 18, 2013 06:06 PM (tBnjP)

76 I do remember the Pelosi Face coming out of the session after Tarp

triumphant.

Dems set up the legislation that helped assist the collapse then during the collapse benifited from it.

nice work if you could not go to jail frst

Posted by: ette at January 18, 2013 06:06 PM (nqBYe)

77 Off Topic: Dry river on mars. Nice article but the best part is the smart, entertainingly snarky comments below the article from a bunch of right wingers. Way to go!!

http://goo.gl/p4HeC

Posted by: Sphynx at January 18, 2013 06:06 PM (v2St1)

78 Now why can't an enterprising congressman excerpt that direct statement next time they're speaking with the media and simply note that it was BO statement from when Bush was Presidentin'? Too easy?

Posted by: BuckIV at January 18, 2013 06:07 PM (+4mBJ)

79 Probably screwed myself today by getting into a heated discussion with my boss and and another manager from another department in regard to gun control. I would not worry except that I made both stutter and deflect like retards.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 18, 2013 06:07 PM (c3tQX)

80 Thanks ALH. My day to day friends don't get as hopped up as I do. Trying to maintain sanity is difficult when others are in a fog of denial about what's going on in the country. Good thing I live in Texas where at least the culture is semi- sane. That West Point report today really got my panties in a twist.

Posted by: 'Ette in training at January 18, 2013 06:07 PM (zvxqj)

81 Can you imagine having to sit thru that speech? Maybe he just had Bill Ayers enter it into the Congressional Record.

Posted by: t-bird at January 18, 2013 06:08 PM (FcR7P)

82 Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 10:01 PM (zkWV6)

It didn't pass the Senate. It wasn't Bush's fault. And yes, you'll say, "Heavens! The Senate was in GOP hands!" But welcome to the land of the 60-vote threshold. Even if something makes complete and utter sense the minority may not go for it.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at January 18, 2013 10:05 PM (+tsoh)

oy i will have to paste portions of this thread to remember .

Posted by: ette at January 18, 2013 06:08 PM (nqBYe)

83 Obama's consistent, he just thinks raising taxes to the stratosphere is the only "balanced" solution

Posted by: JDP at January 18, 2013 06:08 PM (8HhF2)

84 Herby Hymenlipper you son of a gun.....

how the hell are you?

I take it you've woken up from your 4 year fugue state and you're going to pretend you don't remember Choom King spending almost as much as 8 years of Bush in debt in 4 years?

Hats off....

no seriously no matter HOW MANY TIMES I PLAYED THE CLIP OF GIGGLES FOR CHUCK TARD AND ED SCHITZ YOU FUCKS JUST WON'T FACE THE FUCKING NUMBERS.

I salute your self-delusory super powers.

One finger can you guess which?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 06:08 PM (LRFds)

85 72. It was killed in the Senate by Bush and Cheney.

Chuck Hagel was the Senate sponser.

Google "HR 1461 + Office of the President" and you will see a letter from Bush saying he wants to continue subprime housing funding.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 06:08 PM (zkWV6)

86 That's gazillion with a G

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 18, 2013 06:09 PM (8sCoq)

87 I want to talk about Bush and not the current occupant of the White House and his rank hypocrisy and double talk.

Posted by: Herbert Analrupture at January 18, 2013 06:09 PM (dvRYt)

88 Obama can do what he likes and it's ok because everyone lies about their desire to get spending under control.

Posted by: Herbert Analrupture at January 18, 2013 06:11 PM (dvRYt)

89 "HR 1461 + Office of the President"

Google it. I dare you Bush the Lesser fans.

"HR 1461 + Office of the President"

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 06:11 PM (zkWV6)

90 "83 Obama's consistent, he just thinks raising taxes to the stratosphere is the only "balanced" solution" Obama and Boehner were pretty close to a grand bargain that would have cut some 800B in spending over ten years. That's not quite the savings that would be achieved by sequestration, but a good start. I think both are willing to compromise, and its a shame to see the can get kicked again and again.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 06:12 PM (Hz1zc)

91 I don't give a crap what Bush did or didn't do. He's gone. Done. Cutting brush in Texas (which actually sounds quite pleasant).

This is now. Choom is spending as if his desire is to deplete the US Treasury (which I think IS his goal).

Any references to what Bush did or didn't do are simply SQUIRREL.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 18, 2013 06:12 PM (GoIUi)

92 oy i will have to paste portions of this thread to remember . Posted by: ette at January 18, 2013 10:08 PM (nqBYe) I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing but now there are Dem Senators who have never been in the minority (elected in 2008 onward) who are pushing for changes to the cloture rules (ie. the 60-vote threshold rules) because - Oh My! - the Senate doesn't run like the House and they don't like it. Part of the people pushing for it came from the House, while others didn't. Merkley from Oregon and Udall of Colorado are big supporters of changing the rules to weaken the minority. There are oldsters in the Dem caucus telling them they'll regret it eventually, but they're stubborn.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at January 18, 2013 06:12 PM (+tsoh)

93 I double dog dare you. Lets talk about Bush and not the current leadership responsible for trillion dollar yearly deficits. We Progressives are forward thinking and not living in the past like you cons.

Posted by: Herbert Analrupture at January 18, 2013 06:13 PM (dvRYt)

94 64 They're all f'ing idiots. No. They're worse than idiots.

Posted by: Tuna at January 18, 2013 06:13 PM (M/TDA)

95 Your welcome, Ette. I come here for the same reason. What happened at West Point?

Posted by: ALH at January 18, 2013 06:14 PM (qyvML)

96 >>> That is ``trillion'' with a ``T.'' "M, as in mancy." Obama of all people should know...

Posted by: Wooga at January 18, 2013 06:15 PM (jgnqm)

97 I lurk, I had also read that, and right, It is something Else that needs eyes kept on it.

i srsly hate the constant chaos, (by design i suspect)

Posted by: ette at January 18, 2013 06:16 PM (nqBYe)

98 Teh JEF is a fucking disaster that this country will not survive.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 18, 2013 06:16 PM (jucos)

99 So how come Obama continued (actually amplified) Bush's policies of: Tax cuts Bailouts for Wall Street Massive Deficit Spending Yet the Congenitally Deluded swallow his full load about Not Continuing The Failed Policies Of The Past? Honestly Herbie, how the fuck do you get through life like this?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 18, 2013 06:17 PM (ROv35)

100 Google "HR 1461 + Office of the President" and you will see a letter from Bush saying he wants to continue subprime housing funding. Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 10:08 PM (zkWV6) Honey, that's the Statement of Administration Policy which says HR 1461 is too weak.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at January 18, 2013 06:17 PM (+tsoh)

101 Obama and Boehner were pretty close to a grand bargain that would have cut some 800B in spending over ten years. That's not quite the savings that would be achieved by sequestration, but a good start. I think both are willing to compromise, and its a shame to see the can get kicked again and again. Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 10:12 PM (Hz1zc) 800 billion in ten years vs. 1,200 billion per year. Jordan, math scares you, doesn't it?

Posted by: eman at January 18, 2013 06:17 PM (tBnjP)

102 "98 Teh JEF is a fucking disaster that this country will not survive." We survived the Mayan apocalypse. We'll certainly survive Obama.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 06:18 PM (Hz1zc)

103 Barky Choom,

Bush's up until we uh er ah took control of the purse uh 1/4 my rate of uh uh expenditure you know what BINDERS OF WOMEN BINDERS OF WOMEN!

You guys are fucking pathetic.

I mean seriously you guys are saying that a program set up by donks, sued for by Barry is Bush's fault when bush and Clinton tried to defuse the bomb you set?

see you in the funny papers hymenlipper

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 06:18 PM (LRFds)

104 Unless something drastic happens, I'm with the Truck Monkey.

Posted by: dogfish at January 18, 2013 06:18 PM (N2yhW)

105 Posted by: Herbert Analrupture at January 18, 2013 10:13 PM (dvRYt)

That's some pretty convincing socking.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 18, 2013 06:18 PM (mETGQ)

106

ballot box---no

jury box ---sometimes

soap box---hell, no

cartridge box---?

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 18, 2013 06:18 PM (MPjT8)

107 What Brooks is describing in his NYT column today is what he thinks the Dem strategy under Obama is going to be for the next four years. It is to say anything and do anything to destroy the Republican party. And Obama gave us a preview of this "say anything to destroy" tactic in these excerpts above, from his days in the Senate, taking shots at Bush and Republicans. Alinsky tactics. Whatever it takes. I was at a local Republican committee meeting last evening, and one committeeman was moaning about what it could possible take to convince young people, those coming now into voting age, to believe in Republicans enough to register as a Republican voter when reaching 18. This, in a county with R registrations running 2 to 1 versus D. We heard it directly from the BOE (board of elections) supervisor: every kid registering is a D. There are no young people registering as Republicans. I thought, this is what Obama has done. It is cool to be hip, to be young, to be black, to go on any TV show and be adored, to have nothing but praise from the press, from Hollywood, from the entirety of pop culture. He has successfully locked up the youth vote, who even if they do not vote now, will do so more as they age. And he is determined to kill the Republicans, all of them, then salt the earth they walked on.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at January 18, 2013 06:19 PM (PH+2B)

108 That West Point report today really got my panties in a twist.

Posted by: 'Ette in training at January 18, 2013 10:07 PM (zvxqj)

also blew my mind. I am hoping it is addressed by congress, That is totally inconsistent with being an american as i once knew it to be.

Posted by: ette at January 18, 2013 06:19 PM (nqBYe)

109 800B in spending over ten years

Ahh, haaa, ha, ha.

Posted by: Lucy to Charlie Brown at January 18, 2013 06:20 PM (N2yhW)

110 "I think both are willing to compromise... Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 10:12 PM (Hz1zc)" Man, and I thought those Don Rickles clips I've been watching on youtube were the funniest things I'd see tonight. Thanks man.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 18, 2013 06:20 PM (ROv35)

111 102 Whoredan,

No pretty sure the flag will either have fewer stars or his face but not be the same.

You assholes are going to try to pretend the 22d ain't there....

you're amazing he will destroy our currency, nuke our military, wreck our status as the petro buck killing billions in shadow budget and you'll clap treating him like a special needs kid calling me racist for holding him to the standards you fuckers set for bush.

I get the game, I guess for form's sake i have to play it.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 06:20 PM (LRFds)

112 Obama reversed the Wall St bailouts.

AIG just pulled in a $22 billion profit from a $180 billion 2008 loan. Bank of America paid $5 billion interest.

True, the deficit remains constant at $3.5 trillion dollars per year. A Bush hand me down.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 06:20 PM (zkWV6)

113 GALLUP: NRA More Popular Than Obama. Plus, the post-Sandy Hook poll Â“showed that only 38 percent of those surveyed have an unfavorable opinion of the NRA, while ObamaÂ’s disapproval rating is three points higher at 41 percent.Â”

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 18, 2013 06:20 PM (8sCoq)

114 110 Burn the Witch,

no take my wife...PLEASE!?!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 06:21 PM (LRFds)

115 110 "I think both are willing to compromise... Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 10:12 PM (Hz1zc)" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at January 18, 2013 06:21 PM (+tsoh)

116 HR 1461 was not the reform required and would likely had made things worse. The left , like everything else, misrepresent matters in lieu of intellectual honesty.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 18, 2013 06:21 PM (EjpKz)

117 SPENDING is $3.5 trillion - my bad.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 06:21 PM (zkWV6)

118 113 Jones in CO,

Bambi has awoken a scary monster...

a lot of disgusted GOPers who hated how moderate we've been.

Thanks donks.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 06:21 PM (LRFds)

119 Honey, that's the Statement of Administration Policy which says HR 1461 is too weak.

If there's one thing you can trust Clarence to be, it's "entirely full of shit".

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 18, 2013 06:21 PM (ermEp)

120 If any Republicans had any kind of spine whatsoever, they would take this entire speech, word for word, and read it on the floor of the Senate. Force Obama and the media to explain how this was a good thing to say in 2006, but apparently no longer applies in 2013.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 18, 2013 06:22 PM (vUK/h)

121 Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 10:20 PM (zkWV6) A whole new level of Epic Fail.

Posted by: eman at January 18, 2013 06:22 PM (tBnjP)

122 True, the deficit remains constant at $3.5 trillion dollars per year. A Bush hand me down. Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 10:20 PM (zkWV6) Earlier you said $1.2 trillion was a tragedy. Please explain rationally how we got to $3.5 trillion and why this is a good thing.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at January 18, 2013 06:22 PM (+tsoh)

123 The report generated about WHO is the constituency most likely to be violent ....And of course it is the "right wing" radical, constitution loving bunch that is to be feared. Un-believable. Got to keep us on the radar screen, don't cha know. Never noticed the OWS crowd... Never even pinged the radar screen for that bunch of reprobates.

Posted by: 'Ette in training at January 18, 2013 06:22 PM (zvxqj)

124 "800 billion in ten years vs. 1,200 billion per year. Jordan, math scares you, doesn't it?" We've got to start cutting somewhere. I would prefer larger cuts, (and larger tax increases) but it turns out even these relatively modest cuts were politically impossible. I certainly hope sequestration's across-the-board cuts occur, but I don't expect it will happen.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 06:23 PM (Hz1zc)

125 He has successfully locked up the youth vote, who even if they do not vote now, will do so more as they age. Allow me to retort...

Posted by: President Math at January 18, 2013 06:23 PM (FcR7P)

126 HR 1461 would have de-funded Fannie and Freddie. Shut their loan spigot off.

Sounds like reform to us small gov types.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 06:23 PM (zkWV6)

127 Just for the record, Senator Ogabe was wrong in his prediction of $600 billion deficits under the GOP. The deficit fell to about $200 billion.

Posted by: Glaucon at January 18, 2013 06:24 PM (mP9Rx)

128 107 Little Shyning Man,

show the little bastards the bill for paradise at the start of their senior year, look at the principal and say "everything these people have taught you about our history is probably bullshit and should be studied in books besides ones they give you"

probably can't go too wrong

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 06:24 PM (LRFds)

129

Hmmm....I wonder which will come first.

The addition of quadrillion to the unfunded entitlement lexicon, or the FSA zombie apolcalyse?

I still have my fingers crossed for SMOD.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 18, 2013 06:24 PM (0WLla)

130 SMOD to the red courtesy phone, please.
SMOD to the red courtesy phone, you have a call.

Posted by: USA at January 18, 2013 06:24 PM (N2yhW)

131 This is what happens when a cancer takes over its host. Everything is out of sort and 180 degrees off. Teh JEF is terminal and his host (us) won't survive.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 18, 2013 06:25 PM (jucos)

132 126 HR 1461 would have de-funded Fannie and Freddie. Shut their loan spigot off. Sounds like reform to us small gov types. Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 10:23 PM (zkWV6) You're a small government type and you don't bat an eyelash at $3.5 trillion in deficit? This has to be a troll. Pardon me while I go brush my teeth before I go Ape-Doo-Doo.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at January 18, 2013 06:25 PM (+tsoh)

133 I would prefer larger cuts, (and larger tax increases) I keep forgetting that WE have to pay all those bills WE ran up.

Posted by: t-bird at January 18, 2013 06:25 PM (FcR7P)

134 And did they say anything about Middle Eastern Terrorists in that West Point report? The next four years is going to be interminable.

Posted by: ALH at January 18, 2013 06:25 PM (qyvML)

135 We've got to start cutting somewhere. I would prefer larger cuts, (and larger tax increases) but it turns out even these relatively modest cuts were politically impossible. I certainly hope sequestration's across-the-board cuts occur, but I don't expect it will happen. Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 10:23 PM (Hz1zc) You don't understand what you are talking about. The math here is like a runaway train. Throwing a toy anchor out the back won't help. And large tax increases will cripple the economy and crush revenues, making the problem even worse.

Posted by: eman at January 18, 2013 06:26 PM (tBnjP)

136 I lurk,

hands floss over.

Posted by: ette at January 18, 2013 06:26 PM (nqBYe)

137 Somebody that lies this habitually without shame and convincingly to a trusting and stupid majority of the public for personal gain has made a deal with the devil. It will continue unabated.

Posted by: L, elle at January 18, 2013 06:26 PM (0PiQ4)

138 Thank you, ette Pardon me while I floss and hope fervently for the ONT.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at January 18, 2013 06:27 PM (+tsoh)

139 I am a libertarian.

Both parties suck.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 06:27 PM (zkWV6)

140

Posted by: 'Ette in training at January 18, 2013 09:51 PM (zvxqj)

Welcome. Always wonderful when someone de-lurks.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at January 18, 2013 06:27 PM (wbeNt)

141 Oh Jordan. We have to start with a Preznit that doesn't spend like a crack ho. Lemme know when you find him/her. -800B/10yr vs. +6T/4yr. You do know what happens with this function right?

Posted by: dogfish at January 18, 2013 06:27 PM (N2yhW)

142

OT/ Just watched National Geographic special about Human origins, kind of interesting but ended with the usual bs -we are the world- all the same malarky.

If we're all the same, why do these crazy bastards want to kill us ?

Posted by: seamrog at January 18, 2013 06:28 PM (06x7v)

143 Ont

Posted by: ALH at January 18, 2013 06:29 PM (qyvML)

144 You're the Thing That Lives Under The Stairs.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 18, 2013 06:29 PM (LVtr+)

145 Barack Obama has dutifully balanced the budget you wingnuts.

Posted by: Peter Pickletickler at January 18, 2013 06:29 PM (jucos)

146 one day i hope we all discuss the ndaa,
after breakfast of course .

Posted by: ette at January 18, 2013 06:29 PM (nqBYe)

147 I am a libertarian.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper

No, you're an obnoxious cunt.

Posted by: Dead Hostages Choir and A Capella Group at January 18, 2013 06:30 PM (KDq5l)

148 Still don't get it? 1.5T/yr - 0.8T/yr = +1.42T/yr. We're still fucked. Take a math class.

Posted by: dogfish at January 18, 2013 06:31 PM (N2yhW)

149 134 ALH,

Nah they're getting ready for the real enemy..."us"

Barry dies a little inside very time he has to kill another terr without a court case like they demanded of Bush...

he plans on smiling a LOT more when he can use drone here.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 06:31 PM (LRFds)

150 139 I am a libertarian. Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 10:27 PM (zkWV6) Bull.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (dental hygiene is iimportant) at January 18, 2013 06:32 PM (+tsoh)

151 148 Dogfish,

all they know is fucj the rich =s FAIR

all I know is "fuck the EPA =s growth"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 06:32 PM (LRFds)

152 Peter Pickletickler. Yours is an absurd claim.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 06:32 PM (zkWV6)

153 Heh, heh. I better take the math class... 1.5T/yr - 0.08T/yr = +1.492T/yr. We're more fucked.

Posted by: dogfish at January 18, 2013 06:33 PM (N2yhW)

154 I'm a libertarian. Just like our president.

Posted by: Herbert Analrupture at January 18, 2013 06:34 PM (k80Ik)

155 77 "Off Topic: Dry river on mars. Nice article but the best part is the smart, entertainingly snarky comments below the article from a bunch of right wingers. Way to go!!" http://goo.gl/p4HeC Posted by: Sphynx at January 18, 2013 10:06 PM (v2St1) I think this comment's my favorite: Ryk E Lee Â· Top Commenter George Bush took a gun and killed the water thereby initiating global warming on Mars.

Posted by: Princess Angelina Contessa Louisa Francesca...III at January 18, 2013 06:35 PM (Y+woW)

156 You know in the 80s I would be called a "moderate Republican"

//Barack Obama

"yeah asshole is the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics."

//zombie Atwater

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 06:35 PM (LRFds)

157 If Moonbeam can balance the budget of California by cutting spending and increasing taxes, we shouldn't expect less from our presidents. I'm beginning to think a balanced budget amendment (without other extraneous provisions) is the way to go. For thirty years now, irrespective of party, the president has failed to lead on this issue.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 06:36 PM (Hz1zc)

158 157 If Moonbeam can balance the budget of California by cutting spending and increasing taxes, we shouldn't expect less from our presidents. I'm beginning to think a balanced budget amendment (without other extraneous provisions) is the way to go. For thirty years now, irrespective of party, the president has failed to lead on this issue. Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 10:36 PM (Hz1zc) Tell us all how he's cutting spending.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (dental hygiene is important) at January 18, 2013 06:37 PM (+tsoh)

159 158 I lurk,

by hiring Enron's accountants....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 06:39 PM (LRFds)

160 Tell us all how he's cutting spending. Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (dental hygiene is important) at January 18, 2013 10:37 PM (+tsoh) By increasing taxes, he is cutting everyone eles's spending... whether they want to or not...

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 18, 2013 06:40 PM (Vk2pI)

161 "Obama reversed the Wall St bailouts." What color is the sky in your world? Obama works from time to time on Pennsylvania Ave, not Wall St. "AIG just pulled in a $22 billion profit from a $180 billion 2008 loan. Bank of America paid $5 billion interest." What's your point? Bush pissed that money away to non deserving companies, and Obama pissed more of it on what he himself admitted to be a more worthless direction. "True, the deficit remains constant at $3.5 trillion dollars per year. A Bush hand me down. Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 10:20 PM (zkWV6)" Granted you got the basic facts wrong (color me shocked), but you want to do the math for me that shows how more than doubling the deficit he was handed by Bush is somehow a fucking hand me down? Loosen the straps on your helmet.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 18, 2013 06:41 PM (ROv35)

162 "Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 10:36 PM (Hz1zc)" "Tell us all how he's cutting spending. Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (dental hygiene is important) at January 18, 2013 10:37 PM (+tsoh)" Jordan doesn't seem to have a good grasp on the basics.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 18, 2013 06:42 PM (ROv35)

163 160 political Hat,

no no he only takes from the 'rich" honest injun.....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 06:43 PM (LRFds)

164 "Tell us all how he's cutting spending." It remains to be seen if the legislature will cooperate, but he's calling for a spending freeze. His record is undeniably impressive: 25B deficit is now a 2B surplus. The truly freakish thing is that this is the second time he's had to clean it up he slashed and burned Reagan's spending, achieving a 5B surplus in the seventies as well. You can disagree with his politics, but not his results.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 06:44 PM (Hz1zc)

165 164 Whoredan,

ah I see....so Brown is solid but those bastard republicans that run the Cali legislature are gonna fuck him right?

Oh wait...

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 06:47 PM (LRFds)

166 I don't know much about Brown, but I'm always impressed by fiscally conservative Democrats. Balancing the budget of a state as large as CA is undeniably impressive, a real demonstration of leadership. Obama and Boehner should pay attention.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 06:54 PM (Hz1zc)

167 166 Jordan,

HAHAHA

"okay"

so long as everything goes just like Moonbeam says and the Cali Donk asses don't spend any new scratch on shit you win.

I'm smiling pretty smugly why is that?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 06:58 PM (LRFds)

168 Yeah, yeah, but what you fail to grasp is that Barry-O is NOT "spending" money, he's "making investments". And since he's doing it NOT with his own money, then there there is no downside for him, at least, not for him personally. Do you understand now?? oh, I almost forgot . . . /sarc

Posted by: dissent555 at January 18, 2013 07:07 PM (yR6A1)

169 Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 10:54 PM (Hz1zc) I live in CA and no such balancing has taken place or will take place.

Posted by: eman at January 18, 2013 07:15 PM (tBnjP)

170 No no no, spending freeze is the new "cutting". Get with the program.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 18, 2013 07:30 PM (ROv35)

171 Besides, I thought the budget "balancing" ( I like the description of "roughly balanced" I just saw) was based off of old revenue projections that didn't materialize after taxes were raised.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 18, 2013 07:33 PM (ROv35)

172 he's calling for a spending freeze.

Which is to say ongoing deficits in the multiple billions from now to as far as the eye can see

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 18, 2013 08:25 PM (3QaxX)

173 27 All US Presidents are Keynesians. They want the stimulus during their term and then want their successor to pay it off. Bush the Lesser was the biggest Keynesian of all taking a surplus to a $1.2 trillion deficit in only 8 years. Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at January 18, 2013 09:50 PM (zkWV6) Would that be the surplus *air quotes* that the rapist produced by playing accounting presto-chango with Social Security? That one? You know, the one that never existed.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at January 18, 2013 08:29 PM (4hTAq)

174 it'd be nice if Dems'd be honest and say "we liked the stimulus, we're keeping Obamacare and this means the government's going to be spending more so we need to raise taxes" instead they gotta have their cake and eat it too by proposing all these expanded government functions while posing as the hawkiest fiscal hawks in all of hawkdom.

Posted by: JDP at January 18, 2013 08:33 PM (8HhF2)

175 Damn, you mean, Liberal Democrats LIE? How can that be? My Television assures me the Liberal Democrats NEVER lie, therefore, history must all be wrong!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 18, 2013 09:32 PM (xjpRj)

176 Bush did not inherit a balanced budget, he inherited a recession.

Posted by: Malachi45 at January 19, 2013 12:06 AM (hMyoA)

177 You lost me at "investments in education and health care reform". And you always will lose me there, because the Federal government has no authority to be spending in those areas. Period.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 19, 2013 03:39 AM (aTZSK)

178 Considering that we spend more for defense than the next 10 countries combined, naturally you agree to defense cuts? Not a decrease of the annual increase in the defense budget, but real defense cuts?

Posted by: Craig at January 19, 2013 04:54 AM (hgDrG)

179 I want a future historian, adrift in the Progressive glow of "our Lord and Savior", to explain this one to me, character-wise. I really do. If the Congress is supposed to be a deliberative body, if a constitutional Republic is supposed to use argumentive reason to explore issues, then what is the state of health of that ideal when the most hailed "statesman" of our times is able to perfectly give a detailed and robust speech on one side of the subject, and then turn around and do the same for the exact opposite. Has the Republic turned into nothing more but who can best make emotional sways to low-information voters, as in the demos of ancient Athens? Yes. Don't deny it, that is the essence of the Left, how they get and maintain power. Either revel in it, or condemn it. I know the Left. The way they have operated and continue to operate is clear. Why would a man oppose them publicly, knowing they will do their best to destroy everything honorable about him? Would he not stay his hand instead, especially if he was more than convinced of reasonable expectation that destruction in fact would occur, to the mutual loss of anything he could accomplish? Might he decide instead to just do nothing notable? Certainly that is the goal of the Alinsky tactics of the Left--for opponents of their desires to retire from the field--but does it not have costs? Has it not had costs? Would a man truly remain committed to the welfare of these United States if he had done nothing truly wrong and was yet treated as a villain, merely because he or she was a threat to the desires of a minority political faction possessing undue cultural influence? Such is the chronicle of our times. Society does many a thing to make a man less than a man. Why should that man then do much for that society?

Posted by: Q. at January 19, 2013 05:11 AM (bWZzN)

180 178 Craig,

right around the time you assholes stop demanding we have ten times the responsibilities and need ten thousand times the precision of our enemies I'll agree to massive defense cuts.

There are legions of able bodied people kept from carrying their own weight in the economy because of goddamned minimum wage.

You assholes strangle the goose and then wonder why it is laying subpar eggs.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 06:34 AM (LRFds)

181 That's a very Mao like POV. Self reliance/sustainable. Of course, the Washington political machine turned him into a die hard state capitalist.

Posted by: palooka at January 19, 2013 07:24 AM (EuoL1)

182 "right around the time you assholes stop demanding we have ten times the responsibilities and need ten thousand times the precision of our enemies I'll agree to massive defense cuts.' Wow, bravely spoken sven...People like you are the reason I voted Democrat for the first time in my life in November. Instead of attempting to sway with logic you respond with insults.

Posted by: Craig at January 19, 2013 07:34 AM (hgDrG)

183 Hey sven. You're the top poster. You must be a real fat-assed loser, posting 300 times a day to one board. 1 [2011 comments] 'sven10077' [282.30 posts/day]

Posted by: Craig at January 19, 2013 07:40 AM (hgDrG)

184 Sven: If you ever discover girls you might drop to 2nd or 3rd place.

Posted by: Craig at January 19, 2013 07:41 AM (hgDrG)

185 Then-Senator Obama did not know what he would have to do to undo the mess left by that silly faux-Texan cowboy Bush. That stupid wannabe-hick left a legacy of debt and mismanagement that our wise President will need a third term to undo.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at January 19, 2013 07:53 AM (nyLnk)

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