February 18, 2013

Another Thought On That Idiot David Frum
— andy

Ben and you Morons and Moronettes had good fun with this earlier:


But I want to make a bit of a serious point about it.

With about a 10:1 ratio of guns to people in my house when I was growing up, I learned proper gun safety early on. There are a couple of versions of the standard rules ... the NRA has 3 and Jeff Cooper had 4:

1. All guns are always loaded.

2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.

3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.

4. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

My dad was always fond of pointing out that a "safety", like you'll find on most guns other than revolvers, is a mechanical device that can fail and is no substitute for these rules, which work in all cases.

Also, these rules are designed to provide layers of safety through redundancy. A gun you didn't think was loaded is less likely to unintentionally discharge and hurt anything other than your pride if it's pointed in a safe direction and less likely still if you keep your finger off the trigger.

And then today, along comes super-genius David Frum, who knows less about guns than the other things he knows nothing about but nevertheless sees fit to lecture on, and advocates for something that is less safe than current best practice engaged in by people who know what they're doing.

Note to Frum: My H&K USP carry gun has a loaded chamber indicator. It's meaningless to me because I always treat the thing like it's loaded anyway.

Frum's charge in the piece he did for CNN that I won't link is, basically, that gun manufacturers are being negligent and this results in needless accidental deaths. So, just at random I went and grabbed a box from a fairly recent gun purchase (a Glock 23 in 2007):

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The outside of the box, inside of the box and manual are littered with warnings about the risk of death or injury from unsafe handling practices. Also, the gun store where I bought it has safety instructions printed on the receipt and you're required to sign a statement that you've read and understand them in order to take possession of the firearm.

Once someone has waded through all this, is one more form of warning really going to do any good?

The part of Frum's CNN piece spawning this ignorant tweet that deals with gun manufacturers can best be described by analogy: He's asking for a pen that doesn't misspell words.

Of course, this is classic Frum trolling of the right and I wouldn't pay much attention to it but for the fact that there are people who may actually mistake him for a serious commentator on the issue. As Jeff Jacoby points out, there is real danger in letting emotion and ignorance override fact and reason when it comes to gun laws.

In 1998, Massachusetts passed what was hailed as the toughest gun-control legislation in the country. Among other stringencies, it banned semiautomatic "assault" weapons, imposed strict new licensing rules, prohibited anyone convicted of a violent crime or drug trafficking from ever carrying or owning a gun, and enacted severe penalties for storing guns unlocked.

"Today, Massachusetts leads the way in cracking down on gun violence," said Republican Governor Paul Cellucci as he signed the bill into law. "It will save lives and help fight crime in our communities." Scott Harshbarger, the state's Democratic attorney general, agreed: "This vote is a victory for common sense and for the protection of our children and our neighborhoods." One of the state's leading anti-gun activists, John Rosenthal of Stop Handgun Violence, joined the applause. "The new gun law," he predicted, "will certainly prevent future gun violence and countless grief."

It didn't.

The 1998 legislation did cut down, quite sharply, on the legal use of guns in Massachusetts. Within four years, the number of active gun licenses in the state had plummeted. "There were nearly 1.5 million active gun licenses in Massachusetts in 1998," the AP reported. "In June [2002], that number was down to just 200,000." The author of the law, state Senator Cheryl Jacques, was pleased that the Bay State's stiff new restrictions had made it possible to "weed out the clutter."

But the law that was so tough on law-abiding gun owners had quite a different impact on criminals.

Since 1998, gun crime in Massachusetts has gotten worse, not better. Instead of "lead[ing] the way in cracking down on gun violence," the state has seen gun violence shoot up. In 2011, Massachusetts recorded 122 murders committed with firearms, the Boston Globe reported this month – "a striking increase from the 65 in 1998." Other crimes rose too. Between 1998 and 2011, robbery with firearms climbed 20.7 percent. Aggravated assaults jumped 26.7 percent.

Read the whole thing.

I can personally attest to how hard Massachusetts makes lawful purchase and possession of firearms. As a matter of fact, they do virtually all of the things Frum suggested in his column, from requiring locked storage at home to promulgation of "approved firearms rosters" defining what guns can and can't be sold here under the guise of consumer safety.

These laws were made by people who know as little about guns as Frum and ignored all the advice of people who know vastly more. That this has failed to produce the intended results should come as no surprise.

Now people with this same mentality are charging forth to "prevent the next Sandy Hook". How do you think that's going to turn out?

Posted by: andy at 04:00 PM | Comments (267)
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1 I hate it when people say "first"

Posted by: weew at February 18, 2013 04:03 PM (ElfHn)

2 But you see, the guns used in Massachusetts crimes today come from states that have lax gun laws! You can't stop gun crime in Boston if the criminals get their guns from Texas! So the only real solution is a nationwide ban! Yeah that's it!

Posted by: How the libs will respond to gun statistics at February 18, 2013 04:07 PM (ElfHn)

3 "Since 1998, gun crime in Massachusetts has gotten worse, not better. Instead of "lead[ing] the way in cracking down on gun violence," the state has seen gun violence shoot up. In 2011, Massachusetts recorded 122 murders committed with firearms, the Boston Globe reported this month – "a striking increase from the 65 in 1998." Other crimes rose too. Between 1998 and 2011, robbery with firearms climbed 20.7 percent. Aggravated assaults jumped 26.7 percent."



I think the latest bullshit rationalization for this is that unless all of the states surrounding MA have the exact same gun laws, guns will flow in from those other states to MA, enabling criminals to use them to commit crimes.

Just like every other asinine Leftist scheme from time immemorial, gun control just hasn't been tried on a big enough scale.

Posted by: BS Inc. at February 18, 2013 04:07 PM (5dvn/)

4 Our kid posted on Facebook that he's sharing a barracks in Thailand with the sniper who smoke-checked the terrorists in S. Thailand.  He loves his Thai bros.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 04:08 PM (UOM48)

5 3

Damn, you're quick on the draw.

Posted by: BS Inc. at February 18, 2013 04:08 PM (5dvn/)

6 Don't worry, it's not loaded

Posted by: Terry Kath at February 18, 2013 04:08 PM (bGlsD)

7 He's asking for a pen that doesn't misspell words. ______________ It gets worse than that. He doesn't want to admit that there are a bunch of illegal pens out there--owned by criminals that want to kill the other gangs of pen owners. And we wants to blame the butchering of the English language on legal pen owners and pen manufacturers.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2013 04:10 PM (r2PLg)

8 I heard a guy on Hannity this afternoon (in the car, don't judge me) who knew TFG in Chicago through school and such.

He met Barry, and TFG said, "You're that gun guy.  I don't believe anyone should own a gun."

He offered to meet with Barry over lunch and have a civil discussion, and Barry (this guy's words) "wrinkled his face and turned away from me."

Preezy Skeet my ass.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 04:11 PM (UOM48)

9 >> But you see, the guns used in Massachusetts crimes today come from states that have lax gun laws! Read the Jacoby piece. He blows that up.

Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2013 04:11 PM (OZPoa)

10 I'm getting the fried butter gag in early.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 04:11 PM (QupBk)

11 Someone ask David Frum how he will go into Detroit and disarm them?

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2013 04:12 PM (r2PLg)

12 Jane, IIRC that was John Lott.

Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2013 04:12 PM (OZPoa)

13

The .22 is half as strong as the .44

Posted by: David Frum looks in the hole to see if the bullet thingy is in there at February 18, 2013 04:12 PM (UrENZ)

14 Why doesnt every gun automatically indicate whether there's a bullet in the chamber? Why doesn't every car indicate when there is an idiot behind the wheel.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 18, 2013 04:12 PM (l86i3)

15 Hey, what was wrong with that?

Posted by: Jean at February 18, 2013 04:14 PM (QH36x)

16
What we really need is bullet proof bathroom doors. If they save just one supermodel...

Posted by: Reeva Steenkamp at February 18, 2013 04:15 PM (NFVkx)

17 15 Jane, IIRC that was John Lott.

Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2013 08:12 PM (OZPoa



Thanks, you're right. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 04:16 PM (UOM48)

18 So did the "what was wrong with that" comment

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 18, 2013 04:16 PM (QTHTd)

19 A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

I just thought I'd throw that in there, FWIW.

Posted by: filbert at February 18, 2013 04:16 PM (NaNKB)

20 19
What we really need is bullet proof bathroom doors. If they save just one supermodel...



And ban cricket bats.


And, jeez Louise, Juan Williams is an idiot.  Can't be said enough.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 04:17 PM (UOM48)

21 Frum is doing a distraction to a sub argument because all of his arguments lead to a bad conclusion -they strengthen the position of criminals and the criminally minded.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2013 04:18 PM (r2PLg)

22 Let's not forget the genius that is David Frum's spawn:

I really want a baby cow for a pet.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 04:19 PM (UOM48)

23 Oh yeah. Jean = rockmom = Nukie. I vaguely recall a bannination.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 18, 2013 04:20 PM (QTHTd)

24 If only there were laws against shooting people. And some sort of "safety device" that kept guns from going off. And handy advice on how to handle these things. And WARNINGS. Lots of warnings. *sigh* If only.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 18, 2013 04:20 PM (GEICT)

25 Why doesn't my phone have a device to beep to warn me when I'm going to lose my temper and say stupid shit that will go viral on the internet?

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at February 18, 2013 04:20 PM (mCvL4)

26 And ban cricket bats.


And, jeez Louise, Juan Williams is an idiot. Can't be said enough.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:17 PM


Crickets are living things, too, with feelings and stuff.


And Juan's sons are both Republicans.

Posted by: huerfano at February 18, 2013 04:21 PM (bAGA/)

27 Why doesn't neapolitan ice cream have a device to tell you that someone scooped out all the chocolate?

Posted by: David "Butterfries" Frum at February 18, 2013 04:21 PM (mCvL4)

28

This is my rifle.

This is my gun.

This is for fighting.

This is for teaching school children what a frightened turtle looks like.

Posted by: Favid Drum at February 18, 2013 04:22 PM (i7B17)

29

When we are regulated to just muzzle-loaders like the founders indicated in the constitution, bullets and chambers will be moot issues.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 18, 2013 04:22 PM (UrENZ)

30 That Frum fellow is just the kind of common-sense conservative I'd invite to one of my exclusive dinner parties.

Posted by: Sally Quinn at February 18, 2013 04:23 PM (8ZskC)

31 When the SHTF Frum types will be at the gunners door, asking for a safe haven

Posted by: Clemenza at February 18, 2013 04:23 PM (3GuQx)

32 And Juan's sons are both Republicans.

Posted by: huerfano at February 18, 2013 08:21 PM (bAGA/




I know.  Makes one scratch one's head.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 04:23 PM (UOM48)

33 Andy out wrote Ace today with this one. We really need to freeze out Frum and his ilk. This man should be struggling to find work.

Posted by: L, elle at February 18, 2013 04:23 PM (0PiQ4)

34 Haven't been here all day, how did I piss off a cob

Posted by: Not Jean at February 18, 2013 04:24 PM (Is+Nb)

35 11 Andy

Good. I obviously didn't read the whole thing but I heard Juan Williams try that same angle (it's the guns from Virginia that are used in DC gun crimes and if you support Virginia gun rights then you don't care about DC crime victims...), and it was audacious enough to derail MKH's otherwise solid argument.

Just because they get slapped for saying it, it won't stop them from saying it... not until it sinks into the Low Information Voters' heads.

Posted by: How the libs will respond to gun statistics at February 18, 2013 04:24 PM (ElfHn)

36 just staying within the confines of FrumWorld and taking the question as having merit. Why wouldn't you have a "Bullet Loaded"indicator on the gun? Because you might want the person attacking you to stop when you point the gun at them. That's more likely to happen should the gun not indicate "Hey! I'm Just a Highly Efficient Walnut Cracker" if there is not a round in the chamber. _

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 18, 2013 04:24 PM (J8DGo)

37 I'm getting the fried butter gag in early.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:11 PM (QupBk)

My work is done; unless that ambulatory colostomy bag, Keating Coxwipe, shows up without another snotty yet clueless post supporting fat fuck.



Posted by: Captain Hate at February 18, 2013 04:24 PM (rUeB3)

38 My head has always been a Gun Fact-Free Zone.

Posted by: David Frum at February 18, 2013 04:24 PM (8ZskC)

39 Frum, is he a great big fat person ?

Posted by: Buffalo Bob at February 18, 2013 04:24 PM (nTgAI)

40 Is David Frum a thought leader?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 18, 2013 04:24 PM (BuSM8)

41 Thanks for the formatting again, pixy; the gift that keeps on giving.  Like herpes.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 18, 2013 04:25 PM (rUeB3)

42 Why doesn't ice cream come with a warning that eating it will make you fat

Posted by: David Furm at February 18, 2013 04:25 PM (nTgAI)

43 If he isn't, how about not talking about him or linking to him. He stays alive because right blogs link to him. Even if it's just to heap derision, it's still getting him publicity and keeping him out there. Cut off his oxygen.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 18, 2013 04:25 PM (BuSM8)

44 How will the left's idiot laws turn out? Exactly the way they want them to turn out; the law abiding will be left defenseless and the criminals will some how neglect to turn in their weapons. The sooner we realize that the left is populated by malignant psychos the sooner we will realize that bad results are what they're after.

Of course Socialism and Communism don't work; they were never meant to work. They're meant to enslave people and exact revenge on those who make leftists look bad by being successful. If you think you're trying to coil a rope, and what you are really doing is wrestling with a poisonous snake you are in deep trouble. That is the essence of the problem that conservatives face.


Posted by: An Observation at February 18, 2013 04:25 PM (ylhEn)

45 I was kinda' hoping someone would go into some detail on that "mistake" in the new Wa gun legislation . The part where apparently the local cops can come to your house one a yr to check assault weapon compliance . I guess once the gunnies saw that little "mistake"the grabbers realized the jig was up and started mush mouthing . Fuckin fascist assholes .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 18, 2013 04:26 PM (USjX1)

Posted by: Clemenza at February 18, 2013 04:26 PM (3GuQx)

47 mmmmm, Veal.

Posted by: garrett at February 18, 2013 04:27 PM (qhMrQ)

48 I'm not rockmom, and I'm posting thru a mobile proxy, so I should be difficult to ban. Didn't think bannings were name based anyhow.

Posted by: Not Jean at February 18, 2013 04:27 PM (Is+Nb)

49 What I find ... notable ... is the fervor with which a Lefty will correct someone on the use of "lockout" vs. "strike". Yet they are blithe to actual distinctions between weapons, the way they operate, et cetera.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 18, 2013 04:27 PM (J8DGo)

50 Why doesn't a pizza box come with a warning, that if I eat an entire extra-large, I'll be get fatter and be all bloated?

Posted by: David Frum at February 18, 2013 04:27 PM (UOM48)

51 Is it possible that Frum is just musing on why what he thinks is a good idea isn't universal? Don't get me wrong I think he is an enormous tard. But maybe it's like after driving a nice car you go, man,every car should have an eight speed transmission.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2013 04:28 PM (/1U3u)

52

As many of you know,  my F-I-L was murdered, probably by one of his neighbors.  I still own property in that area. My blog (link in nick) is intentionally provocative, trying to induce the authorities to be more proactive, or the perpetrator to make a mistake, so that he can be apprehended and face trial.  I have put my own identity in the forefront to shield others in the family.  I have no intention of letting a bunch of know-nothing, do-gooder, crusading, illogical, cretins (whether they are legislators or reporters) disarm me and take away my ability to protect my life and the lives of my loved ones.  I will take the steps that need to be taken in that regard, no matter what inane laws they might pass.  So, there's that.

 

/rant off

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 18, 2013 04:28 PM (qqZuQ)

53 So my ip is ok ...

Posted by: Jean at February 18, 2013 04:28 PM (Is+Nb)

54 And Juan's sons are both Republicans.


Posted by: huerfano at February 18, 2013 08:21 PM (bAGA/


I know. Makes one scratch one's head.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:23 PM (UOM4



The stoopid skips a generation or they inherit their mother's ability to make sense.  Juan gave a very touching tribute to Tony Snow in which he mentioned how upset his son was by his passing.  Other than that he sucks major cock.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 18, 2013 04:28 PM (rUeB3)

55 Why isn't there an indicator for your mouth to let you know there's a cock in there?

Posted by: Favid Drum at February 18, 2013 04:28 PM (i7B17)

56 I there like some sort of thingy that tells me if a car is going ahead or backwards? Mom is pissed about the garage door

Posted by: Meghan McCain at February 18, 2013 04:29 PM (mCvL4)

57 Oops, broken link in my nick- fixed.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 18, 2013 04:29 PM (qqZuQ)

58 38 beckel says that about Chicago

Posted by: conservative mom in Maryland at February 18, 2013 04:29 PM (JY/eu)

59 Miranda Frum literally tweeted this today:

experienced my first Israeli bomb threat ... it was super casual...

Posted by: David Frum at February 18, 2013 04:30 PM (UOM48)

60 Oops, crazy Miranda daddy sock...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 04:30 PM (UOM48)

61

"Now people with this same mentality are charging forth to "prevent the next Sandy Hook". How do you think that's going to turn out?"

 

Contempt for the law is growing.

Posted by: Invictus at February 18, 2013 04:31 PM (OQpzc)

62 Seamus, pixy broke the link.

Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/cherrypy/_cprequest.py", line 606, in respond cherrypy.response.body = self.handler()

Posted by: 13times at February 18, 2013 04:31 PM (h6XiD)

63 From Weasel Zippers:


Mexican lawmakers will ask the U.S. Senate to create a registry of all commercialized firearms in border states, which includes California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. Mexico says it will make it easier to trace guns used in violent attacks.


The measure was reportedly approved on January 9 by Mexico’s Permanent Commission, a government entity that meets when Mexico’s Senate and the Chamber of Deputies is in recess. Gun owners in Arizona are calling the proposal “foolish” and an “invasion of privacy.”The measure was reportedly approved on January 9 by Mexico’s Permanent Commission, a government entity that meets when Mexico’s Senate and the Chamber of Deputies is in recess. Gun owners in Arizona are calling the proposal “foolish” and an “invasion of privacy.”



http://tinyurl.com/amgggay  

Posted by: Tami[/i] at February 18, 2013 04:31 PM (X6akg)

64 Deport Frum.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 18, 2013 04:31 PM (1V6Pv)

65 The discussion is over, the answer is no. If you pass more laws, we will violate them, we will repeal them, we will kick you out of office. We will keep doing so until you understand, or until you are bums in alleys drinking cheap booze to console yourselves. That is all. They don't listen to facts, they don't listen to reason, the *only* thing to do is to always say NO.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] at February 18, 2013 04:32 PM (bxiXv)

66 Hey Andy: not to get all concern-troll and all but... yeah, I'm concerned.

Why were Jean's earlier posts deleted off of here? Did you mistake them for raykon droppings?

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 18, 2013 04:32 PM (QTHTd)

67 More leftist Dems getting passes for saying what would get a Republican crucified;

http://tinyurl.com/bdnhm5w

Via Dana Loesch and Revealing Politics, Colorado state rep. John Salazar doesnÂ’t think women need a gun to protect them from rapists. Instead, they should be happy with rape whistles. Click the links for video.

“Passive resistance” is what the gun-grabbers want to impose on all of us.

Time to fight like a girl.

Contact Colorado Democrat Rep. Joe Salazar

Posted by: kbdabear at February 18, 2013 04:32 PM (mCvL4)

68 Tami, I, for one, welcome our Mexican overlords.  And so should you.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 04:32 PM (UOM48)

69 My five gallon plastic bucket comes with a warning not to drown kids in it.

Posted by: Invictus at February 18, 2013 04:32 PM (OQpzc)

70 If Frum refrains from discussing guns, I'll reciprocate by refraining from discussing butter and expandable-waist slacks.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 18, 2013 04:32 PM (8ZskC)

71 Hey, let's start a cottage industry in folksy totalitarians! We could put on a show!

Posted by: Thorvald at February 18, 2013 04:32 PM (1V6Pv)

72 But you see, the guns used in Massachusetts crimes today come from
states that have lax gun laws! You can't stop gun crime in Boston if the criminals get their guns from Texas! So the only real solution is a nationwide
ban! Yeah that's it!

Yea, that one's getting stale already.

Problem with that logic is they are admitting that reducing violent crime is more complex than legal gun ownership. From there, you can tear down their arguments.

The key is to use simple, short slogans (preferably that rhyme) so that you can make your point before they notice a shiny object and lose all interest in the discussion.

Posted by: ElKomandante at February 18, 2013 04:32 PM (w9frw)

73 Todd Akin   Colorado rep Joe Salazar (D) sez ;

Colorado Democrat: Women Don’t Need Guns If They ‘Feel Like They’re Going To Be Raped’

http://tinyurl.com/b7c8mbk

Posted by: kbdabear at February 18, 2013 04:33 PM (mCvL4)

74 test

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 04:33 PM (UOM48)

75 61 38 beckel says that about Chicago Posted by: conservative mom in Maryland at February 18, 2013 08:29 PM Beckel should be beaten daily. On every odd day and any day that ends with a "Y". After three months? Woodchipper.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 04:33 PM (CCJJ/)

76 Todd Akin Colorado rep Joe Salazar (D) sez ;

Colorado Democrat: Women Don’t Need Guns If They ‘Feel Like They’re Going To Be Raped’

http://tinyurl.com/b7c8mbk

Posted by: kbdabear at February 18, 2013 04:33 PM (mCvL4)

77 Lmao Give it up kbdabear.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 18, 2013 04:34 PM (GEICT)

78 kbdabear, that was a close one.  Almost barrel-worthy.  heh

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 04:34 PM (UOM48)

79 >> Why were Jean's earlier posts deleted off of here? Did you mistake them for raykon droppings? The only thing I can guess is that the IP hash is on the TB3K list. You don't happen to still have it, do you?

Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2013 04:34 PM (OZPoa)

80 People point to Australia, but they had 1.5 million guns. Only 600,00 were turned in.

Posted by: Invictus at February 18, 2013 04:34 PM (OQpzc)

81 The discussion is over, the answer is no.

If you pass more laws, we will violate them, we will repeal them, we will kick you out of office.

We will keep doing so until you understand, or until you are bums in alleys drinking cheap booze to console yourselves.

That is all.

They don't listen to facts, they don't listen to reason, the *only* thing to do is to always say NO.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 18, 2013 08:32 PM (bxiXv)



Exactly correct.  The answer is "No." 

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 18, 2013 04:35 PM (bb5+k)

82 It looks like the consensus here is to send David back to wherever he's Frum ...

Posted by: Arbalest at February 18, 2013 04:35 PM (t6GxT)

83 >>>72 My five gallon plastic bucket comes with a warning not to drown kids in it. Nobody needs a five gallon bucket. You should make do with a two gallon bucket, and just refill it more often.

Posted by: wooga at February 18, 2013 04:35 PM (7SwK/)

84 I am amazed at the stupid and the MSM indoctrination.

I own about a hundred guns, maybe 30 pistols, 40 shotguns and 30 rifles.  At least 15 that would be classified as "assault weapons".

My wife asked me this weekend what was so bad about banning assault weapons.  I asked her what she thought an assault weapon was.  She said one of those guns that keeps shooting and you can kill a lot of people like the guy in CT.

Why she was asking this, my son had our PS 90 on the kitchen table.  She had no clue that it was an evil "assault weapon".  It had a 50 round Mag in it.

We are losing the fucking narrative to these stupid fucks in the Blue Metro areas that know nothing about weapons expect what they see on some Bruce Willis shot up.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 18, 2013 04:35 PM (wR+pz)

85 Serious question here: What part of the end of the draft and the beginning of the all volunteer military is responsible for this widespread ignorance?

Posted by: Navybrat at February 18, 2013 04:35 PM (7zvJ4)

86 And kbdabear goes in the barrel.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2013 04:35 PM (/1U3u)

87 "Mexican lawmakers will ask the U.S. Senate to create a registry of all commercialized firearms in border states, which includes California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas, and to quit supplying high-powered firearms to Mexican drug cartels" I may have added that last part.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 04:35 PM (QupBk)

88 Shouldn't every lawnmower come with a device that indicates that the blades are turning very fast?

Posted by: David "Butterfries" Frum at February 18, 2013 04:35 PM (mCvL4)

89 no, kdbabear just loses an internetz. the barrel is for those who screw up others' posts

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 18, 2013 04:36 PM (QTHTd)

90 I've never owned a gun and I dont know anything about them. So I'm  as qualfied as David Frum. (And my penis is bigger than his.) 

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at February 18, 2013 04:36 PM (q+XGX)

91 Ya--I've never seen Jean comment poorly.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2013 04:37 PM (r2PLg)

92 Someone should ask Frum why idiots are required to wear signs that say they are idiots and also why isnt he wearing a sign.

Posted by: retired military at February 18, 2013 04:37 PM (uXioi)

93 Idk if it's the Ivy League, or merely the Northeast, but at some point you have to stop trying to convince people the enemy is real, and switch over to defeating the enemy. Get real. Get real, or be declared hors de combat and thus susceptible to collateral damage. "Circular error probability zero. Impact with high order detonation. Thank you and have a nice day." Awww, shucks, that strike killed several of the enemy, and several more northeasterners who were trying to convince their neighbors that the threat was real. Pity. They could've knifed that bitch with its grapefruit spoon and saved the airstrike.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 18, 2013 04:37 PM (1V6Pv)

94 People point to Australia, but they had 1.5 million guns. Only 600,00 were turned in.

Posted by: Invictus at February 18, 2013 08:34 PM (OQpzc)



Anyone who obeys an order to turn in guns (assuming the authorities do not know you have them.) is a fool.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 18, 2013 04:37 PM (bb5+k)

95 Fe.
Fi.
Fo.
Frum.
I smell a dipshit Can-a-di-an.

Posted by: a giant at February 18, 2013 04:37 PM (Ks9M3)

96 81 kbdabear, that was a close one. Almost barrel-worthy. heh
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:34 PM

Anyone usin' strikethroughs have to close their strikethroughs. Anyone not closin' their strikethroughs spends the night in The Barrel

Posted by: Carr the Threadwalker at February 18, 2013 04:37 PM (mCvL4)

97 I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but if the leftys who shriek like little girls at the thought of someone owning a firearm think that the gun violence in commie utopias such as Chicago stem from lax gun laws out in the sticks where people are allowed to own weapons, how do they reconcile that with advocating little or no border protection? Maybe retardation is a preexisting condition of voting Democrat.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 18, 2013 04:38 PM (7xPCu)

98 I'm crackin up over here. Why? Because I'm watching an episode of Eastbound & Down. get on teh googles download this show now you're welcome

Posted by: soothsayer at February 18, 2013 04:38 PM (ZI4xD)

99 wow. Directly to your point Ace.

From Redstate
Chicago’s Chief of Police, who previously blamed ”government-sponsored racism” and Sarah Palin for Chicago’s gun violence, declared that the law-ful exercise of the Second Amendment was a threat to public safety.

Posted by: T.Hunter at February 18, 2013 04:39 PM (EZl54)

100 Dave, here is a warning for you.

When you feel that KY on your ass, you know I am coming in you pretty soon.

Posted by: Barney at February 18, 2013 04:39 PM (wR+pz)

101 Most semi auto handguns including the Glock already have loaded chamber indicators. And it is pretty easy to see on a revolver. If people would stop to check the loaded chamber indicator they probably are smart enough to not pull the trigger on a gun while it is pointed at someone.

Posted by: Fredlike at February 18, 2013 04:40 PM (ztMxN)

102 smackdown


“ Garry McCarthy Â’s understanding of our Constitution barely qualifies him as a meter maid, never mind the chief of the nationÂ’s third largest police department,” commented ISRA Executive Director Richard Pearson .

http://tinyurl.com/awfnz6j

Posted by: T.Hunter at February 18, 2013 04:40 PM (EZl54)

103 84 The discussion is over, the answer is no. If you pass more laws, we will violate them, we will repeal them, we will kick you out of office. We will keep doing so until you understand, or until you are bums in alleys drinking cheap booze to console yourselves. That is all. They don't listen to facts, they don't listen to reason, the *only* thing to do is to always say NO. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 18, 2013 08:32 PM (bxiXv) Uh-huh. That's working soooo well.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 04:40 PM (CCJJ/)

104 Bloomberg's looking for nuts:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/scoop_the_nuts_TujGFMPDFLCfDgxDqmjHIL

even a blind pig . . .

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 18, 2013 04:40 PM (QTHTd)

105

65 Seamus, pixy broke the link.

*****

Fixed it.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 18, 2013 04:40 PM (qqZuQ)

106 Unless you are carrying SA Cowboy style, a revolver always has a round in the chamber.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 04:41 PM (QupBk)

107 A night in the box?  Oh, that's disgusting.



http://tinyurl.com/34lxw82

Posted by: Barney at February 18, 2013 04:41 PM (wR+pz)

108 To check for a forgotten round in the chamber, I always point my rifle towards Mecca, then wildly and recklessly pull the trigger with abandon.


Posted by: Pvt. Partze at February 18, 2013 04:41 PM (q1OL0)

109 Why don't Twinkies come labelled with the warning that they'll turn you into an unloved fatass with no other outlet than the cry for help of a national column?

Posted by: David Frum at February 18, 2013 04:42 PM (MMC8r)

110 111 To check for a forgotten round in the chamber, I always point my rifle towards Mecca, then wildly and recklessly pull the trigger with abandon. Posted by: Pvt. Partze at February 18, 2013 08:41 PM (q1OL0) DC is closer.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 18, 2013 04:43 PM (7xPCu)

111 Relying on the CLI will eventually bite you in the ass. You Need To: A) Treat all guns as if they were loaded, and B) Fucking check the chamber. What does the CLI tell you? It tells you if there's a round in the chamber, or a spent shell that didn't eject, or a snap cap, or something else, or a small object is lodged in the CLI, or the CLI is broken. Checking the chamber confirms the presence of a live round, or its absence. The CLI doesn't do that. It's regulatory fluff.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] at February 18, 2013 04:43 PM (bxiXv)

112 WWE has a new bad guy character -- a racist, anti-immigrant Tea Party "patriot" waving a Don't Tread on Me flag named Zeb Colter (ie like Ann Coulter). WWE is one of the few media companies controlled by a Republican. Can't even get a break there. Basic storyline is for the Mexican good guy Alberto Del Rio to fight the racist, anti-immigrant bad guy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2013 04:43 PM (ZPrif)

113

I think the gun debate has been worn out.  everybody knows what the two sides of the debate are by now. 

anybody know why they will dump on Frum on this website but not S.E. Cupp?   doesn't seem like anybody has criticized Cupp for essentially saying we need to censor Rush which basically sounded like frum.   is it b/c she's considered hot stuff

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 04:44 PM (vRuAK)

114 111 To check for a forgotten round in the chamber, I always point my rifle towards Mecca, then wildly and recklessly pull the trigger with abandon. Posted by: Pvt. Partze at February 18, 2013 08:41 PM (q1OL0) Oddly enough, I have to change magazines whenever I do that. Huh.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 04:44 PM (CCJJ/)

115 Just came back from reading some of Miranda Frum's "work" at Huffpo.

Wade in if you dare:


http://tinyurl.com/aotpgg3

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 04:44 PM (UOM48)

116

91: We need warnings on McDonald's coffee cups that the contents are hot.

Oh wait. We already do that.  

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at February 18, 2013 04:45 PM (q+XGX)

117 72

Toddlers drowning in 5 gallon buckets really is a problem, but I get the point.

15 OSHA stickers on a lather or a milling machine warning operators about finger-arm-torso mutilation hazard is a bit repetitive and unnecessary. The same stickers on a 32' extension ladder? Regulation become background clutter in a sea of warning signs.

Posted by: 13times at February 18, 2013 04:45 PM (h6XiD)

118 116 I think the gun debate has been worn out. everybody knows what the two sides of the debate are by now. anybody know why they will dump on Frum on this website but not S.E. Cupp? doesn't seem like anybody has criticized Cupp for essentially saying we need to censor Rush which basically sounded like frum. is it b/c she's considered hot stuff Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 08:44 PM (vRuAK) I think of it as rubbing a dog's nose in its own shit to make it learn something.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 18, 2013 04:45 PM (7xPCu)

119 Uh-huh. That's working soooo well. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 08:40 PM (CCJJ/) Well, you could always keep wrestling with a pig. It doesn't work at all, but the pig enjoys it, so there's that.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] at February 18, 2013 04:45 PM (bxiXv)

120 The other thing I should have mentioned is that Ruger has roll-stamped a long version of RTFM! on its guns since (IIRC) the 1970s. Lots of other gun manufacturers do this too.

Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2013 04:45 PM (OZPoa)

121 is it b/c she's considered hot stuff How you told your parents that you're gay yet?

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 04:46 PM (QupBk)

122 A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Posted by: filbert at February 18, 2013 04:46 PM (NaNKB)

123 I mentioned this earlier.  Lots of guns have chambered round warnings.  My Walter pp has a small pin that sticks out if the gun is chambered.  My Sea Camp has a slot the shows the round if the gun is chambered.



The GPS's on all my guns have been disabled.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 18, 2013 04:46 PM (wR+pz)

124 OT but anyone read the 'Conservative HQ' Richard Viguerie site? He is offering a $10,000 reward for a plan to takeover the GOP:

http://tinyurl.com/9wby7he

Kinda funny/interesting.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 18, 2013 04:46 PM (MmH0Z)

125 120 72 Toddlers drowning in 5 gallon buckets really is a problem, but I get the point. 15 OSHA stickers on a lather or a milling machine warning operators about finger-arm-torso mutilation hazard is a bit repetitive and unnecessary. The same stickers on a 32' extension ladder? Regulation become background clutter in a sea of warning signs. Posted by: 13times at February 18, 2013 08:45 PM (h6XiD) I need to be told that a bag of peanuts may contain peanut products.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 18, 2013 04:47 PM (7xPCu)

126 He is offering a $10,000 reward for a plan to takeover the GOP Does he expressly rule out murder?

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 04:47 PM (QupBk)

127 Why doesn't this paste come with a warning that it might give me an upset tummy?

Posted by: Frum Here to Maternity at February 18, 2013 04:47 PM (qqZuQ)

128 I think Cupp has a manly face.   she will be real scary in 10 years.

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 04:47 PM (vRuAK)

129 115 WWE has a new bad guy character -- a racist, anti-immigrant Tea Party "patriot" waving a Don't Tread on Me flag named Zeb Colter (ie like Ann Coulter). Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2013 08:43 PM (ZPrif) Next up: a hook-nosed Jew with bloody Matzoh bread. Some days I really fucking hate people.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] at February 18, 2013 04:48 PM (bxiXv)

130 She has a face?

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 04:48 PM (QupBk)

131 David's daughter's bio (from National Post):

Occupation: Huffington Post blogger, TV producer
No shrinking violet. A veritable pinata of opinions — she can hold forth on everything from America’s Next Top Model to the state of Syria! — this missy is as beautiful as she is bold. Consider a recent tweet: “Canada, get over the war of 1812. it wasn’t even a Canadian victory. It was a British one.” (Comes by her punditry honestly — being the daughter of A-list opinonistes David Frum and Danielle Crittenden and all!)



(Bold, mine)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 04:48 PM (UOM48)

132 Does he expressly rule out murder?

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:47 PM (QupBk)

Lord I hope not, we need all the options left open for sure.


Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 18, 2013 04:48 PM (MmH0Z)

133 129 He is offering a $10,000 reward for a plan to takeover the GOP -------------- Does he expressly rule out murder raptors? Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:47 PM (QupBk) Fixed for the HQ

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 18, 2013 04:48 PM (GEICT)

134 on a 32' extension ladder? Regulation become background clutter in a sea of warning signs.

Posted by: 13times at February 18, 2013 08:45 PM (h6XiD)

 

I once saw the aftermath of a female with pony tail gettiing too close to some moving machinery. 

Posted by: Invictus at February 18, 2013 04:49 PM (OQpzc)

135 anybody know why they will dump on Frum on this website but not S.E. Cupp? Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 08:44 PM (vRuAK) Mu.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] at February 18, 2013 04:49 PM (bxiXv)

136

I think the face matters, i'm not interested in the girl with hot body  but ugly face you have to put a paper bag on.

guess that makes me a pretty good n unique guy

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 04:49 PM (vRuAK)

137 WWE is one of the few media companies controlled by a Republican. Can't even get a break there.


Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2013 08:43 PM (ZPrif)



Other than supporting the troops, McMahon is human garbage.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 18, 2013 04:50 PM (rUeB3)

138

maybe she's not as prominent of a pundit as frum despite the fact she's on tv.

it's hard to know how to rank them b/c so many of them.

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 04:51 PM (vRuAK)

139 >> Relying on the CLI will eventually bite you in the ass. I swear on that USP I really can't even see it well enough to tell whether it's saying the gun is loaded or not. Again, though, it doesn't matter if you're following teh rulz.

Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2013 04:52 PM (OZPoa)

140 Update on the War on Women: Joe Salazar has been Mentioned in Dispatches.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 18, 2013 04:52 PM (U3ERv)

141 Lathes have no need for warning stickers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PzPfzLeDa0

Posted by: Arbalest at February 18, 2013 04:52 PM (t6GxT)

142 anybody know why they will dump on Frum on this website but not S.E. Cupp? doesn't seem like anybody has criticized Cupp for essentially saying we need to censor Rush which basically sounded like frum. is it b/c she's considered hot stuff Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 08:44 PM (vRuAK) One word: moobs.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2013 04:52 PM (/1U3u)

143 I live in a typical community in the rural south . Home invasions are unheard of here . Seriously . All of my neighbors are armed . All of them . It's very quiet and pleasant , if you discount the random gunshots during hunting season . It ain't Dodge city . Why the left insists on transplanting their"sophisticated" urban ideas here , I don't ,,,I really don't understand . I reckon they just want us to be as miserable and unhappy as they are . Well , fuckem' .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 18, 2013 04:53 PM (USjX1)

144 A) Treat all guns as if they were loaded It's the thing to do. Period. Whenever I am handed a weapon, I go through the clearing process. Even if someone does it in front of me. Many years of Pistol and Rifle turn-in, primarily M-1911A1s and M-16A1/A2. I have found live rounds in the chamber of an M-60, after turn-in. Trust me. The only weapon I have never had a problem with is the M-2 Browning.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 04:53 PM (CCJJ/)

145

sometimes I feel like i'm the only conservative who doesn't own a gun.

it's kind of weird watching some bimbo like s.e.cupp sound like Rambo about guns and I don't have a clue about them.   it's kind of intimidating actually

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 04:54 PM (vRuAK)

146 It's polite to breach the firearm before you offer it someone, plus you can insure that they don't just turn around and shoot you with it.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 04:55 PM (QupBk)

147 I think S.E. Cupp is less of a believer and more of a wannabe-famous.

Posted by: zsasz at February 18, 2013 04:55 PM (MMC8r)

148

"Why doesnt every gun automatically indicate whether there's a bullet in the chamber?"

 

Why doesn't every Frum automatically indicate whether there's a brain in the cranium?

Posted by: feeling kind of frumpish at February 18, 2013 04:55 PM (Q2wni)

149 It's the thing to do. Period. Whenever I am handed a weapon, I go through the clearing process. Even if someone does it in front of me.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 08:53 PM (CCJJ/)

 

*******

 

Exactly.  Even at the gunshop, even when taking it out of the gun safe, even when taking it off my belt. Every freaking time.

Posted by: Frum Here to Maternity at February 18, 2013 04:56 PM (qqZuQ)

150 "'Today, Massachusetts leads the way in cracking down on gun violence,' said Republican Governor Paul Cellucci as he signed the bill into law."

Something's wrong in this sentence, and I just can't figure out what.

Ah. Yes. That's it. There was a REPUBLICAN governor signing this kind of crap.

For the love of all that's holy, can we once and for all get a couple of barrels of hot tar, and a few hundred sacks of chicken feathers, and have a big party where we officially tar and feather every last idiot gun-controlling RINO, and officially take away their party affiliation from them?

You wanna grab guns? Great. There's a party for that. Not this party. Your ass is out of here. Don't you dare drop a single feather on the way out or get any tar on the carpets while you're leaving.

I think we'll need an extra large vat of tar for a certain New Jerseyan.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 18, 2013 04:56 PM (gqT4g)

151 it's kind of intimidating actually Go to the gun store and try some out. They are tools. You aren't intimidated by a drill press, are you?

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 04:56 PM (QupBk)

152 I won't buy a gun at a shop where the help don't practice safety. What would they know? (It's good manners not to suffer an AD.)

Posted by: Thorvald at February 18, 2013 04:56 PM (1V6Pv)

153 146 I live in a typical community in the rural south . Home invasions are unheard of here . Seriously . All of my neighbors are armed . All of them . It's very quiet and pleasant , if you discount the random gunshots during hunting season . It ain't Dodge city . Why the left insists on transplanting their"sophisticated" urban ideas here , I don't ,,,I really don't understand . I reckon they just want us to be as miserable and unhappy as they are . Well , fuckem' . Posted by: awkward davies at February 18, 2013 08:53 PM (USjX1) I live in an identical community, in Illinois, if you can believe that. Samey same. Nothing happens. Nothing. The last gun related incident. I don't remember one and I have been here 30 years.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 04:56 PM (CCJJ/)

154 My step father had one more rule to add to that. Never point a gun at someone you don't intend to kill. Because if you don't; they will take it from you and kill you with it.

Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at February 18, 2013 04:57 PM (a0o+l)

155 Go to the gun store and try some out. They are tools. You aren't intimidated by a drill press, are you?

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:56 PM (QupBk)


Does that make you horny?

Posted by: Austin Powers at February 18, 2013 04:57 PM (MmH0Z)

156 This thread needs more bullet points.

Posted by: a suggestion at February 18, 2013 04:57 PM (Q2wni)

157 Off putrid frum-py sock. Ugghhh.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 18, 2013 04:57 PM (qqZuQ)

158 Hey look--it's another Frumination: davidfrum ‏@davidfrum If you drive unsafely, police can pull you over before you hit anybody. But who will know your gun is unsafely stored before too late? __________ sigh.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2013 04:57 PM (r2PLg)

159
I wish the ammo dealers would follow some gun makers and not sell to state agencies in states that are passing these new gun control laws.

That would put a crimp in their crumple.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 18, 2013 04:57 PM (p/cQy)

160 someone should troll frum and tell him the automatic indicator would legally classify the weapon in the "automatic" category.

Posted by: jd at February 18, 2013 04:58 PM (DGhcv)

161

i'd probably shoot myself in the face on accident if I owned a gun.  bad things seem to happen to me.    

I do laugh when conservatives even ones who doen't care about gun s say that we need to have these "scary looking" semi-auto rifles.   we don't need them but we have a right to own them.  it's not really about tyranny either.

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 04:58 PM (vRuAK)

162 Tiresome, tiresome troll. *sigh*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 18, 2013 04:59 PM (GEICT)

163 113 111 To check for a forgotten round in the chamber, I always point my rifle towards Mecca, then wildly and recklessly pull the trigger with abandon. Posted by: Pvt. Partze at February 18, 2013 08:41 PM (q1OL0) DC is closer. Posted by: model_1066 at February 18, 2013 08:43 PM (7xPCu) Da fuck did I do?

Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at February 18, 2013 04:59 PM (jIaZt)

164 we don't need them Is there a mouse in your pocket, unarmed man? We? FYNQ.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 04:59 PM (QupBk)

165 if frum had a rack like s.e. cupp, we wouldn't be slapping him around on here for his anti-gun commentary.  

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 04:59 PM (vRuAK)

166 I like tools

Posted by: Toby TL at February 18, 2013 04:59 PM (dbt/7)

167 I do laugh when conservatives even ones who doen't care about gun s say that we need to have these "scary looking" semi-auto rifles. we don't need them but we have a right to own them. it's not really about tyranny either. Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 08:58 PM (vRuAK) Enlighten us then.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 18, 2013 04:59 PM (GEICT)

168 >> anybody know why they will dump on Frum on this website but not S.E. Cupp? I'm pretty sure the S.E. Cupp thing was in the sidebar. Can't speak for the other cobs, but I didn't write about it because a) it seemed like something done purely to gin up controversy so why feed it and b) I didn't have much to add beyond maybe a snarky "SHOCK: MSNBC contributor criticizes Rush Limbaugh" headline. Mostly b.

Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2013 05:00 PM (OZPoa)

169 This thread needs more bullet points.
Posted by: a suggestion

• Love me some bullet points.
• Can you tell I worked in marketing?
• How many marketing guys does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at February 18, 2013 05:00 PM (Ipj15)

170

fee, fie, fo, fate

cleanup needed on aisle  158.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 18, 2013 05:00 PM (qqZuQ)

171 it's about tyranny to me

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 18, 2013 05:00 PM (GVxQo)

172 Mouse gun?

Posted by: Toby TL at February 18, 2013 05:01 PM (dbt/7)

173 Cosmoline is the devil. That is all.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 05:01 PM (QupBk)

174 And ban cricket bats.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:17 PM

And golf bats.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 18, 2013 05:02 PM (rzTDZ)

175 Point being, we tend to ignore warning labels and hazard signs because they are posted on everything. It becomes background noise in our visual landscape.

I worked in an industrial environment for 20 years and the majority of workplace injuries are usually caused by inattention and fatigue.


Posted by: 13times at February 18, 2013 05:03 PM (h6XiD)

176 Summon the TB3K.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 05:03 PM (QupBk)

177 Mexican lawmakers will ask the U.S. Senate to create a registry of all commercialized firearms in border states, which includes California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. How about you mind your own fucking business or we'll carpet bomb your cardboard shacks with napalm. How's that for diplomacy?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 18, 2013 05:03 PM (MBqvE)

178 @176 Gasoline is the exorcist.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 18, 2013 05:03 PM (1V6Pv)

179

I know this Cupp woman goes by S.E. Cupp to play up her sex appeal.  just looks and sounds like a porn star name.  she's such a little slut.    we conservatives always act like she's all innocent.

there are probably millions of dorky looking dudes with economics degrees who would be much more informative and interesting on the cycle but they go with her b/c sex sells.

it pisses me off.  and gets me excited.

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 05:03 PM (vRuAK)

180 Everything's about power (and eventually tyranny), because animals are genetically incapable of Leaving Shit Alone.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] at February 18, 2013 05:03 PM (bxiXv)

181 S E Cupp went to Cornell, just like Keith Olbermann.  Degree in fucking Art History, that's a tough one. She is a ballerina, just like the God Father.  


She's an atheist from fucking CA. 


OK, I'd do her.  She is NOT a conservative.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 18, 2013 05:03 PM (wR+pz)

182 He also is ignorant about what "denominator" means. There are 30,000 car deaths a year and we have 225,000,000 cars. There are (at a minimum) 200,000,000 guns in the U.S. and about 8,000 gun deaths every year. So that makes cars about three times as dangerous as guns (based on the denominator).

Posted by: Kasper in Miami at February 18, 2013 05:03 PM (7x9pP)

183 Flatbush Joe: a racist, anti-immigrant Tea Party "patriot" waving a Don't Tread on Me flag named Zeb Colter (ie like Ann Coulter).
Merovign: Next up: a hook-nosed Jew with bloody Matzoh bread.

Yep.

When you have someone talk about "Republicans" or "the Tea Party" in your presence, they are not talking about the GOP leadership (who get bashed at AOSHQ hourly). They have the image of fat Christian white lower-class proles.

If a Jew overhears crap about "Shylock" is his first instinct to say "but I'm not Shylock, I'm one of the good ones"?

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 18, 2013 05:03 PM (QTHTd)

184 Exactly. Even at the gunshop, even when taking it out of the gun safe, even when taking it off my belt. Every freaking time. Posted by: Frum Here to Maternity at February 18, 2013 08:56 PM (qqZuQ) Yeah, I've seen some VERY experienced individuals do some, inadvertently, dumb things. I am not immune, either.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 05:04 PM (CCJJ/)

185 98ZJUSMC , We did have one gun incident here about ten years ago . Cops were looking for some old ladies son or son in law or something , can't remember exactly . Anyway , they did their no knock , kick down the old ladies door thing . They forgot to holler , police , open the fuck up . Old lady started blazing . Wounded one cop . No charges filed on grandma .DA said , cops should have announced their arrival . Grandma did what most local Grandma's would have done . I love Granny .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 18, 2013 05:04 PM (USjX1)

186 @177 Didn't a dingbat used to be Madame Speaker?

Posted by: Thorvald at February 18, 2013 05:04 PM (1V6Pv)

187 And FYI for those who might care, the "Green" brake cleaner without chlorine is not "just as good" as the old school variety.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 05:04 PM (QupBk)

188

phoniex girl, you really need one of those bushmaster rifles? 

I can see a handgun.  it's only about liberty in a real abstract doomday scenario.  It m akes m ore sense to talk about guns in terms of protection or sport or personal enjoyment than liberty.

my point is it isn't necessary to say we need them, just that we have the right to own them per 2nd admendment. 

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 05:05 PM (vRuAK)

189 I love Granny . Posted by: awkward davies at February 18, 2013 09:04 PM (USjX1) But she is very, very, very lucky to be alive. Also, better locks and doors.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] at February 18, 2013 05:06 PM (bxiXv)

190 just that we have the right to own them per 2nd admendment. Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 09:05 PM (vRuAK) I really think you need to start that whole "history" thing over at the beginning, because you're failing badly right now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] at February 18, 2013 05:06 PM (bxiXv)

191 Yeah, I know, I know. Instinct.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] at February 18, 2013 05:07 PM (bxiXv)

192 @185

Please Kasper, stop it with the fucking facts man. 

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 18, 2013 05:07 PM (wR+pz)

193

If a Jew overhears crap about "Shylock" is his first instinct to say "but I'm not Shylock, I'm one of the good ones"?

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 18, 2013 09:03 PM (QTHTd)

 

Is that what Frum says?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 18, 2013 05:07 PM (IDSI7)

194 The meteor thing is pissing me off. For the first couple of days it was 10 tons. Now there's a WSJ article saying 10 thousand tons. Really? Off by 3 orders of magnitude?

And the whole crater thing. A 20-foot wide perfect circle in the ice, like it was dropped from a crane? I think not.

Even "small" piece of a 10,000-ton rock is not going to leave a 20-foot crater with nothing leading up to it. (think "trajectory")

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 18, 2013 05:07 PM (MmH0Z)

195 Bullet points are hollow.

Posted by: zsasz at February 18, 2013 05:08 PM (MMC8r)

196 If police do a dynamic entry without a warrant or announcing who they are, they are no different than any other bunch of armed individuals busting in your house.

Posted by: Navybrat at February 18, 2013 05:08 PM (7zvJ4)

197 I don't know shit about bra sizes. How big is an SE Cup?

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 18, 2013 05:08 PM (QLJPW)

198 191 it's about tyranny for me and because of that i need one and what gives me the right to have one is the 2nd amendment

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 18, 2013 05:08 PM (GVxQo)

199 SE Cupp is not a conservative. Other than the "hot librarian" thing going on, not all that hot, either. The first crunched-up Ritz hits the sheets, she's on the road thumbin' a ride.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 05:09 PM (CCJJ/)

200

How about you mind your own fucking business or we'll carpet bomb your cardboard shacks with napalm.

How's that for diplomacy?

 

And hit every lawn you mow with Roundup, so you're unemployed.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 18, 2013 05:09 PM (IDSI7)

201 True Merovign . She was lucky .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 18, 2013 05:09 PM (USjX1)

202 Yeah, I've seen some VERY experienced individuals do some, inadvertently, dumb things. I am not immune, either.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 09:04 PM (CCJJ/)


Bingo there.  I showed my air lite 38 to my sister in law and she picked it up and shot a hole in the ceiling.  Scared the fuck out of me.


Never let a drunk near a gun.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 18, 2013 05:09 PM (wR+pz)

203 what gives me the right to have one is the 2nd amendment Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 18, 2013 09:08 PM (GVxQo) The 2nd recognizes a pre-existing right. It doesn't give anything, it's a reminder to government to keep their grubbies off.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] at February 18, 2013 05:10 PM (bxiXv)

204

mervoign

I appreciate your feedback.

I saw ben Shapiro take on Piers.  while I think Shapiro won the debate, I think it makes it easy for piers to ridicule us as conspiracy theoriests and paranoid when we talks about guns in terms of tyrannical government. 

also when pierws and others make the point we don't need certain gun types he is essentially right but conservatives tend to get defensive and say we do need every gun type. 

in my view, it's silly to talk about what we need....we don't need SUVs for example but some people prefer them.  talk in terms of what your rights are and say it's none of your business what I need and maybe I just want it.  that's what S.E. Cupp says about my body every night.

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 05:10 PM (vRuAK)

205 And hit every lawn you mow with Roundup, so you're unemployed. Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 18, 2013 09:09 PM (IDSI7) Heh. I had visions of a tanker truck of RoundUp being dumped on SCOAMF's favorite golf course.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 18, 2013 05:11 PM (MBqvE)

206 200 I don't know shit about bra sizes. How big is an SE Cup?

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 18, 2013 09:08 PM (QLJPW)


I am not sure, but there are no trailer hitches near her with chrome on them.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 18, 2013 05:11 PM (wR+pz)

207 I ran into the same nonsense with some Fed auditors.  We have a device that can contain pressure that, now and again, we have to open and take devices out.  The auditors wanted a pressure gage at each of the devices to make sure someone wouldn't open with pressure inside.  I told them we weren't putting on gages until we were ready to open and even then our procedure said to open the vent valve and insert a plastic rod to clear blockage if no pressure vented.  Having a gage that reads zero when there is pressure inside is the surest way to get someone killed.  "Bullet in chamber" is the same stuff.

Posted by: Jose Wales at February 18, 2013 05:12 PM (lPbS1)

208

well i'm not an expert on S.E. Cupp but apparently she is fairly conservative, and she has this annoying tendency to always play u her love of guns and NASCAR while also reminding us she's an atheist which doesn't seem particular relevant to anything. 

I just thought it was awesome she is denouncing rush as crazy crackpot stupidass but she gets paid by Beck.  

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 05:12 PM (vRuAK)

209 If police do a dynamic entry without a warrant or announcing who they are, they are no different than any other bunch of armed individuals busting in your house.

Posted by: Navybrat at February 18, 2013 09:08 PM (7zvJ4)


There was a case in WA where a deputy got shot/killed during a pot bust. The def claimed he did not ID himself and def was defending himself. It was a few years ago. I think it mistrialed twice but they finally convicted the guy.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 18, 2013 05:12 PM (MmH0Z)

210 My step father had one more rule to add to that. Never point a gun at someone you don't intend to kill. Our instructor today had his rule: don't even pull it out unless you're prepared to lose everything you own. It's got to be that important. (this is California)

Posted by: t-bird at February 18, 2013 05:13 PM (FcR7P)

211 Andy: As a moron, I don't have time to read all the comments but would have your babies if I could have babies. I do have primers and powder.... Tony

Posted by: AnthonyB at February 18, 2013 05:13 PM (zoFYo)

212 "Our instructor today had his rule: don't even pull it out unless you're prepared to lose everything you own. It's got to be that important. (this is California)" Yep. Brandishing.

Posted by: Navybrat at February 18, 2013 05:14 PM (7zvJ4)

213 Someone should probably be reported to the police for their unhealthy obsession with a two-bit MSNBC contributor.

Posted by: buzzion at February 18, 2013 05:14 PM (GULKT)

214 Our instructor today had his rule: don't even pull it out unless you're prepared to lose everything you own. It's got to be that important. (this is California)

What if you are in your own house, the same rule applies?

Posted by: Toby TL at February 18, 2013 05:14 PM (dbt/7)

215
S. E. Dude?  We get it, you don't like her, give it a rest.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 18, 2013 05:14 PM (p/cQy)

216 S.E. Cupp , and I mean this with the greatest respect . Shut The Fuck Up !! You and Piers can both kiss my rebel dick . Respectfully .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 18, 2013 05:14 PM (USjX1)

217 "What if you are in your own house, the same rule applies?" Depends on whether or not you can be observed by nincompoops who shit themselves if ever they even see a gun, anytime, anywhere.

Posted by: Navybrat at February 18, 2013 05:17 PM (7zvJ4)

218 i'm not a piers fan but I do think he debates the gun control side fairly well, meaning the low information voter expeicaly women will agree with him on most of his points.  

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 05:17 PM (vRuAK)

219 Can we refer to Frum as "left-liberal commentator David Frum" from now on? Like, everywhere you find yourself referencing him online, use the "left-liberal commentator" descriptor. Too many people assume that because he and his bosses refer to him as a "conservative" that left-liberal commentator David Frum actually is a conservative. We need to change that.

Posted by: holygoat at February 18, 2013 05:18 PM (IGIFh)

220 Ive fired maybe 10k rounds and only had a gun go off once accidentally. Gov Model 1911, .45, hammer slipped from under my thumb.

Why do we trust the government to do anything?

Posted by: Toby TL at February 18, 2013 05:18 PM (dbt/7)

221

S.E. Cupp is pretty respected in conservative circles.  

we saw article after article in her defense by conservatives when Hustler put a penis in her mouth.   when she attacks rush, and suggest republicans shun him , nobody says anything.   I find that interesting, maybe they didn't see it but I doubt it.

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 05:19 PM (vRuAK)

222 What if you are in your own house, the same rule applies? Yeah, same rule. Just thinking "hey, I'm within my rights!" isn't enough.

Posted by: t-bird at February 18, 2013 05:19 PM (FcR7P)

223 Toby TL: If a 1911 fired when the hammer slipped from your thumb there was something else wrong with it. Tony

Posted by: AnthonyB at February 18, 2013 05:22 PM (zoFYo)

224 I have used my various handguns 3 times in self defense. The one time I fired it, the police were very helpful, thought I was going to jail, never heard another word.

Posted by: Toby TL at February 18, 2013 05:22 PM (dbt/7)

225 1. vRuAK: average joe sucks dick. By choice. 2. S.E. Cupp on Beck's network, which if I heard correctly, is swinging Libertarian.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2013 05:22 PM (/1U3u)

226 is beck really creating a libertarian utopian city called Independence in tx?   I heard that and thought it was so stupid that he probably is doing it.  

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 05:23 PM (vRuAK)

227 228 Beck emphatically states he's gone libertarian. Don't know how he squares certain circles, but he's done with the GOP.

Posted by: zsasz at February 18, 2013 05:25 PM (MMC8r)

228 226 Toby TL:
If a 1911 fired when the hammer slipped from your thumb there was something else wrong with it.
Tony

Custom main spring is all that was not factory. Why do you think there was something wrong with it? Think about it, the hammer falls, hits a firing pin, the pin hits a primer and noise is heard.

What?

Posted by: Toby TL at February 18, 2013 05:25 PM (dbt/7)

229

how many of the women on here own a gun?   i'm always skeptical the conservative women are packing.

I may purchase an assault weapon 2morrow, I hear from piers they are easier to get than 6 boxes of Sudafed.

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 05:27 PM (vRuAK)

230

well it's my understanding liberterians don't want beck, they always been a snobbish bunch.

my impression of beck is he doesn't know much more than the average person yet he adopts the professor persona.  

I wonder if cupp cleared her anti rush comments with beck because they do seem hypocritical on the surface given how "crazy" seems much easier to apply to beck than rush if we want to do that.

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 05:31 PM (vRuAK)

231

cupp/frum frum/cupp crum/fupp

 

Is this the Pre-O.N.T.

 

or the Pre-pre O.N.T. ?

Posted by: seamrog at February 18, 2013 05:31 PM (bwv6k)

232 Toby: Safety notch? Tony

Posted by: AnthonyB at February 18, 2013 05:32 PM (zoFYo)

233 >> Ive fired maybe 10k rounds and only had a gun go off once accidentally. Gov Model 1911, .45, hammer slipped from under my thumb. That's one of the reasons Colt put the firing pin safety on the Series 80. It's also why John Moses Browning never intended for you to let the hammer down on a live chamber and gave you "cocked and locked". Once again, always keeping it pointed in a safe direction saved the day.

Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2013 05:33 PM (OZPoa)

234 234
cupp/frum frum/cupp crum/fupp

Is this the Pre-O.N.T.

or the Pre-pre O.N.T. ?

Posted by: seamrog at February 18, 2013 09:31 PM (bwv6k)

 

Its a troll.

Posted by: buzzion at February 18, 2013 05:34 PM (GULKT)

235 234
cupp/frum frum/cupp crum/fupp

Is this the Pre-O.N.T.

or the Pre-pre O.N.T. ?

Posted by: seamrog at February 18, 2013 09:31 PM (bwv6k)

 

Its a troll.

Posted by: buzzion at February 18, 2013 05:34 PM (GULKT)

236

has anybody here watch the cycle on msnbc

I get the feeling toure  kind of dominates the show and the other 3 just kind of comment on whatever he says.    cupp doesn't seem to have enough personalty to be a focal point on the show unless she goes topless.

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 05:34 PM (vRuAK)

237

has anybody here watch the cycle on msnbc

I get the feeling toure  kind of dominates the show and the other 3 just kind of comment on whatever he says.    cupp doesn't seem to have enough personalty to be a focal point on the show unless she goes topless.

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 05:34 PM (vRuAK)

238

frum W/Z--- poll says 66% would "do" Blackie O.

frum whitehouse.gov.  eeeeeeeeyyyyyyoooooo

Posted by: seamrog at February 18, 2013 05:34 PM (bwv6k)

239

frum W/Z--- poll says 66% would "do" Blackie O.

frum whitehouse.gov.  eeeeeeeeyyyyyyoooooo

Posted by: seamrog at February 18, 2013 05:34 PM (bwv6k)

240 235 Toby:
Safety notch?
Tony

Try it on the range some time. Release the safeties, then allow the hammer to begin falling, the let it fall on its own, pretending it slipped from under your thumb.

Are you still carrying a gun designed in 1911?

Posted by: Toby TL at February 18, 2013 05:43 PM (dbt/7)

241 Once again, always keeping it pointed in a safe direction saved the day.

Amen, that's why all I did is blow a hole in a back wall.

God that was 500 years ago when living in an apartment. So much more could of gone  wrong. Thank you Hunters Safety.

Posted by: Toby TL at February 18, 2013 05:47 PM (dbt/7)

242 Toby TL has never held a 1911A1 and has no idea about the "Half-Cock" safety notch.
You can't fire a 1911A1 without your finger on the trigger, unless it is broken...

Posted by: ChrisP at February 18, 2013 05:57 PM (gplxB)

243 Guys: Work with me here; not trying to be a PITA. I am a moron and am drinking. Yes, I still carry a 1911. But if my finger isn't on the trigger I can't get it to fire, no matter the safeties. Tony

Posted by: AnthonyB at February 18, 2013 06:05 PM (zoFYo)

244 David Frum -- Why isn't every room in my house padded with rubber?

Posted by: Montjoie at February 18, 2013 06:06 PM (sBpR/)

245 ChrisP: Thanks for the backup before I posted. Tony

Posted by: AnthonyB at February 18, 2013 06:07 PM (zoFYo)

246 71 Tami, I, for one, welcome our Mexican overlords. And so should you. Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:32 PM (UOM4 Fashionably late to the party, I see. Bienvenidos!

Posted by: Southern California at February 18, 2013 06:09 PM (3sZO1)

247 AnthonyB,
You are correct, sir!
The 1911 is meant to be carried in "Condition One" cocked and locked.
Draw the pistol, release the safety, shoot the target.
If the grip-safety is squeezed, and the trigger is pulled, it will drop the hammer.
John Browning knew what he was doing.

Posted by: ChrisP at February 18, 2013 06:09 PM (gplxB)

248 FrumForum??? Never heard of it.

Posted by: charles gibson at February 18, 2013 06:11 PM (ORGYc)

249 Girls I now own a XP .45 that holds 14 rounds, Firing +p+ ammo and the recoil is very comfortable. My old, old, old, 1911 firing custom ammo loaded at half that strength used to wretch my wrist.

Girls, 1911 was a long time ago, time to move on.

Posted by: Toby TL at February 18, 2013 06:16 PM (dbt/7)

250 I've never owned a gun and I dont know anythingabout them. So I'm as qualfied as David Frum. (Andmy penis is bigger than his.) Posted by: Jim in Virginia at February 18, 2013 08:36 PM (q+XGX) Dude, MY penis is bigger than his.

Posted by: Simple little gray field mouse at February 18, 2013 06:16 PM (3sZO1)

251 If the grip-safety is squeezed, and the trigger is pulled, it will drop the hammer.

And if the hammer is under control of the thumb, when the trigger is pulled, and the thumb lets the hammer slip, there will be a loud noise if said gun is loaded.

Posted by: Toby TL at February 18, 2013 06:23 PM (dbt/7)

252 Toby,
Then the hammer was NOT under control of the thumb.
There is no valid reason to drop the hammer on a loaded chamber in a 1911.
Yes, it is, indeed time for you to move on.
Pull your big-girl panties up, Sally.
You can't handle a 1911.
Better get a girly-gun that won't scare you...

Posted by: ChrisP at February 18, 2013 06:34 PM (gplxB)

253 Dear Mr. Frum, In order to determine whether or not the weapon you are holding is loaded, follow these steps: 1. Insert muzzle in your ear. 2. Pull trigger. 3. If you hear a soft click, the weapon is not, repeat not loaded.

Posted by: Call me Ishmael at February 18, 2013 06:35 PM (Sn89p)

254 There is no valid reason to drop the hammer on a loaded chamber in a 1911.

Old timer, how the fk do you ever then let the hammer down on a loaded chamber on a 1911 if you want to load new rounds then place said gun in half cock?

Old timer, I was tired. Now they have de cockers, and other modern weapons, such as the XP or the KAHR have done away with that problem.

Posted by: Toby TL at February 18, 2013 06:41 PM (dbt/7)

255 Why doesnt every gun automatically indicate whether there's a bullet in the chamber?

Teh stupid, it burns!!

Posted by: The Internet's Greatest Hits at February 18, 2013 06:45 PM (7B7jB)

256 Other questions Frum most likely has about life:

"Why don't food makers just remove calories from food? That way no one would ever get fat."

"Why don't girls like me?"

"Why does it burn so bad when I pee?"

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 18, 2013 06:47 PM (7B7jB)

257 TL  stands for Turd Licker

Posted by: Toby TL at February 18, 2013 06:53 PM (dbt/7)

258 Interesting. "Toby TL" seems to have fallen victim to the TB3K.
Imagine that...

Posted by: ChrisP at February 18, 2013 06:54 PM (gplxB)

259 In the post, Jeff Jacoby says there were 65 murders with firearms in Massachusetts in 1998 and 122 murders in 2011.  He compares that to the sharp decline in gun licenses during that period.  Also note that the population of Massachusetts had not changed much:  The total state population was 6,349,097 in the 2000 Census (http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk) and the 2011 estimated population was 6,607,033 (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/25000.html).

Posted by: DRJ at February 18, 2013 06:55 PM (iqHi+)

260 Ignorance of the masses helps gun owners in some cases.  For example, good ole lever actions in .30-.30 have a bit better ballistics than the dreaded assault weapon in 7.62x39.  If you happen to live in one of the dreaded deep blue states with an AWB, you are still not helpless with a good lever action.  Most so called assault weapons have puny ballistics by design (leaving out the magnificent .308 of course).  Even a good ole Lee-Enfield is a fine battle rifle that can be operated surprisingly quickly for a bolt action.  Bonus is the std. magazine holds ten rounds of .30 caliber goodness. 

Posted by: wg at February 18, 2013 07:31 PM (mJ99Q)

261 Major Strasser: Are you one of those people who cannot imagine the Germans in their beloved Paris?
Rick: It's not particularly my beloved Paris.
Heinz: Can you imagine us in London?
Rick: When you get there, ask me!
Captain Renault: Hmmh! Diplomatist!
Major Strasser: How about New York?
Rick: Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade.

     ....still true today in spite of Mike Bloomberg

Posted by: Robbins Mitchell at February 18, 2013 08:15 PM (AfN/4)

262 Excellent answer Andy! Safety overdone is anything but. Airbag warnings on visors, "may cause death" on everything under the sun (and printed in 1/2 dozen languages)... it's actually obscuring reality. And safety overkill is just one facet of this mindlessness; think FDIC.

Posted by: egoist at February 19, 2013 02:23 AM (SShCT)

263

"In 1988, the surgeon general, C. Everett Koop, proclaimed ice cream to a be public-health menace right up there with cigarettes. Alluding to his officeÂ’s famous 1964 report on the perils of smoking, Dr. Koop announced that the American diet
was a problem of “comparable” magnitude, chiefly because of the high-fat foods that were causing coronary heart disease and other deadly ailments.

He introduced his report with these words: 'The depth of the science base underlying its findings is even more impressive than that for tobacco and health in 1964.'"

... and today ice cream, just like snowy winters, are a thing of the past. LOL

It was 12 years earlier that John Carpenter's "Assault on Precinct 13" had made the ice cream truck into a "death-mobile", but this had nothing to do with fat content.

Posted by: Douchebag of the Year at February 19, 2013 05:48 AM (e8kgV)

264 Frum exhibits a classic case of someone who has never shot a gun or learned how they actually work trying to write regulations to control them.  It's like a non-driver trying to regulate how to reduce car accidents. 

Frum, a classic big-city intellectual, is ignorance on parade. And the best way to fix this is for someone who knows him personally to take the poor noodge to a shooting range and let him actually learn something before he opens his misinformed yawp again.

Posted by: Publius at February 19, 2013 06:16 AM (R6wSy)

265 What would you expect from Cass R. Sunstein, former Obama head of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) ...

For coercive paternalism to be justified, Conly contends that four criteria must be met. First, the activity that paternalists seek to prevent must genuinely be opposed to peopleÂ’s long-term ends as judged by people themselves. If people really love collecting comic books, stamps, or license plates, there is no occasion to intervene.

Second, coercive measures must be effective rather than futile. Prohibition didnÂ’t work, and officials shouldnÂ’t adopt strategies that fail. Third, the benefits must exceed the costs. To know whether they do, would-be paternalists must assess both material and psychological benefits and costs (including not only the frustration experienced by those who lose the power to choose but also the losses experienced by those who are coerced into something bad for them). Fourth, the measure in question must be more effective than the reasonable alternatives. If an educational campaign would have the benefits of a prohibition without the costs, then Conly favors the educational campaign.

Posted by: Perry at February 19, 2013 06:45 AM (e8kgV)

266 "These laws were made by people who know as little about guns as Frum..."

Frum isn't ignorant. He's dishonest.

Posted by: pst314 at February 19, 2013 09:45 AM (T4dRn)

267 OK, I'm late to the party and probably nobody will read this but this often quoted Jeff Cooper "gun safety rule" just irritates the shit out of me:

"1. All guns are always loaded."

No they are not.  I clean my guns after I shoot them and they are always unloaded when I clean them.  It would be insane to clean a loaded gun.  The other thing is that you are stating something that you know to be false.  The fact that Jeff Cooper said it does not make it true.

The three gun safety rules that I have taught to everyone I have taught to shoot are in order of importance:

1. Don't allow the muzzle of the gun to point at any thing or any one that you are not willing to shoot.

2. Assume that a gun is loaded until you have checked it yourself.  If it has been out of your sight, check it again.  Do this every time without exception.  If you don't know how to check if it is loaded, ask somebody who does know how to check it.

3. Keep your finger out of the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot.

Even if you get 2 and 3 wrong, as long as you remember rule #1, the results will not be as bad.  Besides, it is impolite to point a gun at somebody whether it is loaded or not.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at February 19, 2013 03:03 PM (31Nrp)

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