June 06, 2013

This Is Just Too Damn Perfect
— JohnE.

Josh Earnest, White House Special Assistant to the President and Principal Deputy Press Secretary, read a prepared statement to the press aboard a flight regarding the Verizon/NSA news that broke last night.

There is a robust legal regime in place governing all activities conducted pursuant to the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act. That regime has been briefed to and approved by the court. And activities authorized under the Act are subject to strict controls and procedures under oversight of the Department of Justice, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, and the FISA Court to ensure that they comply with the Constitution and the laws of the United States, and appropriately protect privacy and civil liberties.

FISA, of course, stands for FOREIGN Intelligence Surveillance Act. Not Federal. There's a world of difference.

Just a slip of the tongue? Sean Davis asks if we could perhaps see a transcript of that statement just to make sure.

[Update]: It appears the New York Times does not have Obama's back this time. (h/t @RBPundit)

[Update 2]: Nope. Not a slip of the tongue. It's on the official White House transcript. (h/t Commenter "Baldy")

Posted by: JohnE. at 12:37 PM | Comments (245)
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1 I'll just comment here to screw the guy who says FIRST

Posted by: Cicero, DOCTOR of Jurisprudence and Shit at June 06, 2013 12:15 PM (8ZskC)

2 "White House Special Assistant to the President and Principal Deputy Press Secretary" Jesus H Suffering Christ. Listen the bureaucracy of that title. We are so fucked

Posted by: Melodicmetal at June 06, 2013 12:16 PM (QY9FJ)

3 If it didn't say Foreign before, it will now. I'm sorry but that is, at the very least, a Kinsley gaffe.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 06, 2013 12:16 PM (VtjlW)

4 Nothing to see here. Move it along.

Posted by: Tobacco Road, destroyer of damnphones at June 06, 2013 12:16 PM (4Mv1T)

5 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:16 PM (/PCJa)

6 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:16 PM (/PCJa)

7 "Foreign," "federal," really, what's the difference?  It's just a word.

Posted by: Eric Holder at June 06, 2013 12:17 PM (8ZskC)

8 You mean to tell me this administration doesn't actually know the laws it is trying (or not trying) to enforce?

Say it ain't so!

Posted by: Dr. DangerGirl Ph.F.D., B! @deadlyestrogen at June 06, 2013 12:17 PM (GrtrJ)

9 We consider the flyover states to be foreign anyway.

Posted by: Eric Holder at June 06, 2013 12:18 PM (8ZskC)

10 It appears the New York Times does not have Obama's back this time If he loses the NYT (No proof of that just yet), he's done.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:18 PM (/PCJa)

11 Suck it, wingnuts!

Posted by: Eric Holder at June 06, 2013 12:18 PM (8ZskC)

12 You say toe-may-toe, I say Bleah! no rabbit food for me ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at June 06, 2013 12:18 PM (Jv4FA)

13 Clearly some low level employee prepared that statement.  They will be promptly punished with a large bonus and a promotion.

Posted by: Brewer at June 06, 2013 12:18 PM (eV1I0)

14
Unless I mis-heard, I think Saxby Chambliss already blew this opportunity for us.


Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at June 06, 2013 12:19 PM (vyPsz)

15 What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: What Difference Does it Make? at June 06, 2013 12:19 PM (QM5S2)

16 Hey look over there,,,,,, 

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at June 06, 2013 12:19 PM (GQ72I)

17 What an outrage! Just wait until Obama reads about this in the papers!

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 06, 2013 12:19 PM (7ObY1)

18 "To casually permit this surveillance — with the American public having no idea that the executive branch is now exercising this power — fundamentally shifts power between the individual and the state, and repudiates constitutional principles governing search, seizure and privacy. "

The New York Fucking Times, of all places.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 06, 2013 12:19 PM (fwARV)

19 I'm sorry but that is, at the very least, a Kinsley gaffe.

Posted by: alexthechick

No, it was purposeful. He had to change it in order to float the BOOOOOOSH talking point.

Mendacious, craven, cowardly, despotic, megalomaniacal, rat-fucking jackasses all of them.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 06, 2013 12:20 PM (ujux6)

20 Your hourly reminder: This is a criminal regime.

Posted by: JohnKerryIsADoucheBag at June 06, 2013 12:20 PM (6sqK6)

21 Seems like there is nothing new in the world. Same old shit and I hate Obama and his band of commie bastards more each day

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 06, 2013 12:20 PM (fkYh/)

22 Competence is the new new N-word.

Posted by: Martin Bashir at June 06, 2013 12:20 PM (MMC8r)

23 I just came here for the cake...... I read there'd be cake

Posted by: Yip at June 06, 2013 12:20 PM (/jHWN)

24 To be fair, Obama does see all of us as alien and foreign...

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 06, 2013 12:21 PM (Vk2pI)

25 Okay... I take it back. That was positively scathing. This may be a bridge too far even for the NYT. In which case Obama's dog is cooked. Though, I did have a bit of a bitter laugh of this: That is one reason we have long argued that the Patriot Act, enacted in the heat of fear after the 9/11 attacks by members of Congress who mostly had not even read it, was reckless in its assignment of unnecessary and overbroad surveillance powers.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:21 PM (/PCJa)

26 "To casually permit this surveillance — with the American public having no idea that the executive branch is now exercising this power — fundamentally shifts power between the individual and the state, and repudiates constitutional principles governing search, seizure and privacy. "
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Why..., it's almost as if the think they are the IRS..., wait...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 12:22 PM (aDwsi)

27 Robust?  I hate "robust" as much as I hate "spunk."

Posted by: Lou Grant, The Editorial Board at June 06, 2013 12:22 PM (2iU3x)

28 I just came here for the cake...... I read there'd be cake

Posted by: Yip at June 06, 2013 04:20 PM (/jHWN)

#twoweeks

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 06, 2013 12:22 PM (fwARV)

29 Now ask me about the Immediate Reaction Service.  They collect the taxes.

Posted by: The First Assistant Special Deputy Plenipotentiary to the Porte Josh Earnest at June 06, 2013 12:22 PM (8ZskC)

30 First, they came after the taco lickers and I said nothing...

Posted by: Waldo Waldovich at June 06, 2013 12:22 PM (dHIHO)

31 I just came here for the cake...... I read there'd be cake Posted by: Yip at June 06, 2013 04:20 PM (/jHWN) The cake is a lie.

Posted by: GLADOS at June 06, 2013 12:22 PM (Vk2pI)

32 Oh, and FUCK this Administration. Constantly playing on Americans fears while attempting to pretend that they also don't exist. Everything we all said about this admin is coming to light in such a TRAGIC ironic fashion. One could not write a political satire as rich as this group of lying sacks of shit have rendered. It's just fucking awful. I mean stomach curdling awful. One must stand in AWE of the brazen fashion in which these fuckin thugs are destroying our country.

Posted by: Melodicmetal at June 06, 2013 12:22 PM (QY9FJ)

33 That NYT oped is surreal. I was wondering why I was experiencing some aerial porcine issues.
Also Andrew McCarthy can go get horsefucked.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 06, 2013 12:22 PM (VtjlW)

34 Freudian Slip?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at June 06, 2013 12:22 PM (SkyIE)

35 >>>To be fair, Obama does see all of us as alien and foreign... When you're from Kenya, Indonesia, Amnesia, wherever it is he's from, we ARE all foreigners to him.

Posted by: Tobacco Road, destroyer of damnphones at June 06, 2013 12:23 PM (4Mv1T)

36 I read there'd be cake The cake is... Well, no, it's not a lie. We just already ate it all. You can have a LemonHead.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:23 PM (/PCJa)

37 Well...if you've lost the NYT, this means you have lost many, and the message may reach other media outlets. Audit Tea Party? Acceptable to liberals. Leave Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans to die in Benghazi as the WH and State Dept cover their tracks? Acceptable to liberals. Spy on their phones? Not ok.

On another scandal, the IRS, please watch this youtube of Rep Gowdy eviscerate them (I love him and Senator Cruz):

http://tinyurl.com/kea89r8




Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 06, 2013 12:23 PM (baL2B)

38 So Josh is the understudy for Jay?  Seems like he is qualified.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 06, 2013 12:23 PM (2evqn)

39 [Update]: It appears the New York Times does not have Obama's back this time. (h/t @RBPundit)

Hmmm, looks like Pinch had Verizon Business as their carrier and a lot of Slimes management are Verizon customers.

Somebody's ox got gored there

Posted by: kbdabear at June 06, 2013 12:24 PM (mCvL4)

40 "legal regime"????  WTF does that even mean?

Posted by: creeper at June 06, 2013 12:24 PM (vbzvs)

41 24 To be fair, Obama does see all of us as alien and foreign...

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 06, 2013 04:21 PM (Vk2pI)

 

Well the feeling is mutual

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 06, 2013 12:24 PM (fkYh/)

42 Gomez on Cavuto.

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 06, 2013 12:24 PM (lVPtV)

43 >>>Obama's dog is cooked I see what you did there...

Posted by: JohnKerryIsADoucheBag at June 06, 2013 12:25 PM (6sqK6)

44 I'm a Verizon customer. They supply my television, my telephone, and my Internet. I now wonder if every time I click on AoS it is recorded in some database, every time I pick up the phone it is recorded in some database, every time I watch Fast and Loud it is recorded in some database. Apparently the only privacy left to me, thanks to Roe vs Wade, is if I miraculously (as a guy) become pregnant and decide to seek an abortion.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at June 06, 2013 12:25 PM (U2UQk)

45 I'm sorry but that is, at the very least, a Kinsley gaffe. I disagree. I think it was boob bait for the bloggers. The lefty bloggers will run with it for their early stories and then forgot he said it after the weekend. Few will correct it. It's not a big enough "flub" to make a big deal of.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 12:25 PM (T0NGe)

46 Reposted because I ain't trying to steal anyone's thunder: FYI, Gohmert said that Obamaphone quote was from a "tweet " Ace made. I see in his timeline it was from last night around midnight. The first I heard of the Verizon wiretapping was this morning and apparently I made a similar observation. That's all him. Don't give me his props. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 06, 2013 04:19 PM (JDIKC)

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 06, 2013 12:25 PM (JDIKC)

47 [Update]: It appears the New York Times does not have Obama's back this time. (h/t @RBPundit)

Getting scooped by Fox News or the NY Post is no biggie to them, but it really had to HURT being scooped by their betters at The Guardian

Posted by: kbdabear at June 06, 2013 12:25 PM (mCvL4)

48 Flub or Flubber?

Aye that is the question.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 06, 2013 12:26 PM (2evqn)

49 Alright, so the NYT has a few brain cells to rub together. Now what about the armies of tools, minions and religiously devoted LIVs? Not to mention republican lawmakers.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at June 06, 2013 12:26 PM (Sptt8)

50 Gov. Deval Patrick gave a candid, behind-the-scenes look at the horrific days after the Boston Marathon bombings, telling employees at a Cambridge marketing firm yesterday he got “quite drunk” the day after the intense manhunt finally ended.

... and this guy is Eric Holder possible replacement ...  OMG

Posted by: Snoppy at June 06, 2013 12:26 PM (e8kgV)

51 There is a robust regime in place governing all activities I love that sentence

Posted by: dear scoamf at June 06, 2013 12:26 PM (Ux8J1)

52 Well, EoJ, we'll miss you in the camps.

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 06, 2013 12:26 PM (lVPtV)

53 Aaand the RNC just sent me an email bragging about the tard they hired from Facebook to manage their social media outreach.

Less. Than. Clueless.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at June 06, 2013 12:26 PM (epxV4)

54 The question is this: is the embargo broken. And here is the test: if the NYT features real news (well- information. It won't be "news" to us) about any of these things in the next... oh... month, Obama is a Dead Dog running. Fast & Furious GM Bailout Benghazi IRS Scandal

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:26 PM (/PCJa)

55 Yep, this country is going to hell in a handbasket with this administration.

Posted by: dantesed at June 06, 2013 12:26 PM (vF+kM)

56 Don't give me his props. I could use some new props

Posted by: Carrot Top at June 06, 2013 12:27 PM (nJGTE)

57 Gohmert said that Obamaphone quote was from a "tweet " Ace made. I see in his timeline it was from last night around midnight. The first I heard of the Verizon wiretapping was this morning and apparently I made a similar observation. That's all him. Don't give me his props. So Rep Gohmer follows Ace on Twitter?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:27 PM (/PCJa)

58
Question:  About this cellphone "meta-data" that is being hoarded by the Feds, does that include geo-location?  How about each time your iPhone checks into a nearby cell tower to check for new email?  As I understand it, this kind of data could be used to track the past whereabouts of any cell-phone using American.

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 06, 2013 12:28 PM (UypUQ)

59 I'll start to give some credence to the NY Slimes when they start treating Choom Boy with the obvious disdain they displayed toward Booooosh.

This is just low-level whining that their little Tin God is letting the side down. And getting caught at it.

BTW -- impeachment is long overdue. Somehow, none of the enraged minions of conservative punditry see that yet. Clearly, it would offend the Democrats (and such nobles as McCain) who still suck o Chicago Jesus's toes.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 06, 2013 12:28 PM (mHrip)

60 I could use some new props

Posted by: Carrot Top at June 06, 2013 04:27 PM (nJGTE)


Word.

Posted by: Gallagher at June 06, 2013 12:28 PM (8ZskC)

61 Whoops. Rep Gohmert. Not sure how I missed the 'T' there...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:28 PM (/PCJa)

62 From the NYT piece:


The defense of this practice offered by Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, who as chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee is supposed to be preventing this sort of overreaching, was absurd. She said today that the authorities need this information in case someone might become a terrorist in the future.

So, according to DiFi, anybody might be a terrorist sometime in the future so we'll just be prepared for it by listening to everybody. Hmm.

Posted by: joncelli at June 06, 2013 12:29 PM (RD7QR)

63 The decline in P2P versus 2012 indicates that fewer people worked full-time for an employer this May compared with a year ago. The 43.9% found this May is similar to the 43.7% recorded in 2011 and 44.0% in 2010.

Gallup's P2P metric is an estimate of the percentage of the U.S. adult population aged 18 and older who are employed full time by an employer for at least 30 hours per week. P2P is not seasonally adjusted.


Gallup's unadjusted unemployment rate for the U.S. workforce was 7.9% for the month of May, a half-point increase over April, and statistically unchanged from May 2012 (8.0%).

Gallup's seasonally adjusted U.S. unemployment rate for May was 8.2%, up from 7.8% in April.

Posted by: Milton Friedman at June 06, 2013 12:29 PM (e8kgV)

64 Don't give me his props. --- I could use some new props Posted by: Carrot Top Me too.

Posted by: Gallagher at June 06, 2013 12:29 PM (xw77v)

65 So Rep Gohmer follows Ace on Twitter?

Someone on his staff -- or someone known to someone on his staff -- does.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 06, 2013 12:29 PM (mHrip)

66 About this cellphone "meta-data" that is being hoarded by the Feds, does that include geo-location? Yes. Location data is included. How about each time your iPhone checks into a nearby cell tower to check for new email? That I don't know. I suspect not because that data connection is (in theory) "always on," whereas phone calls are discrete events.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:29 PM (/PCJa)

67 Getting scooped by Fox News or the NY Post is no biggie to them, but it really had to HURT being scooped by their betters at The Guardian Posted by: kbdabear at June 06, 2013 04:25 PM (mCvL4) Remember, to the Guardian crowd, Obama is a rightwing extremist who is not quite as right wing as the rest of those rightwing Americans. When they criticize him, it is for being not leftist enough.

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 06, 2013 12:29 PM (Vk2pI)

68 Remember the troll-tard who came in and told us that Obama's forgotten speech about the IRS scandal meant it was history and he'd beaten us all again and we were finished? Good times, good times.

Posted by: zsasz at June 06, 2013 12:30 PM (MMC8r)

69

59
Question: About this cellphone "meta-data" that is being hoarded by the Feds, does that include geo-location? How about each time your iPhone checks into a nearby cell tower to check for new email? As I understand it, this kind of data could be used to track the past whereabouts of any cell-phone using American.

 

All the above except the call its self.

 

Posted by: wrg500 at June 06, 2013 12:30 PM (L9Mr/)

70 Oh well, number 61 beat me to it.

Posted by: George Orwell what eats Aldous Huxley's mushrooms at June 06, 2013 12:30 PM (xw77v)

71 My last name is Gallagher. Seriously.

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 06, 2013 12:30 PM (UypUQ)

72 So basically, they're using the same excuse Philadelphia is using when discussing that building collapse yesterday: "But, but.... all the permits were in order!"

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at June 06, 2013 12:30 PM (/lWM8)

73

You know, i don't ordinarily advocate ex-Presidents running their fucking mouths.  Actually, I prefer they do what Republicans typically do and STFU and live out their lives quietly.  Unlike Willie and on a different planet than Carter.

 

But I'm now thinking this would be a golden opportunity for GWB to show me something.  Show me again he's a patriot.  Show me, for once, he cares about the Constitution.  Show me he has the good judgement to decide he should use his soapbox to communicate just  what a mortal threat TFG is to the Republic - er...whatever this fucking country is nowadays.

Posted by: Jaws at June 06, 2013 12:30 PM (4I3Uo)

74 Even I linked to the Times today. It was worth it. The administration has now lost all credibility (Still in my cut/paste buffer...lmao) "The administration has now lost all credibility" - NY Times

Posted by: [/i]akula_51 at June 06, 2013 12:30 PM (YesJa)

75

So Rep Gohmer follows Ace on Twitter?

 

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Or possibly one of his assistants or interns.

 

Posted by: junior at June 06, 2013 12:30 PM (UWFpX)

76 So as not to offend the sensibilities of AoSHQ's possible guests, I've modified what I originally wrote.

[redacted] you, Josh Earnest, White House Special [redacted] to the President and Principal Deputy Lying Liar Who Lies.  [redacted] these [redacted], they are skirting this free society's basic rights and then telling us we're just misinterpreting.  [redacted] them all.

Posted by: dogfish at June 06, 2013 12:31 PM (nsOJa)

77 Don't give me his props. Ixnay on drone Canada. Repeat Ixnay on drone Canada. Too late? What difference does it make?

Posted by: NSA [/i] at June 06, 2013 12:31 PM (U2UQk)

78 The politically incorrect, but true, comment of the day: Maybe if we admitted more immigrants from nations that are NATO-type allies, and less from nations with contingents committed to terrorism, then we wouldn't have to have the Federal government feeling such a need to be the Great Eye of Sauron. The only thing the English will terrorize you with is their cooking and dental care.

Posted by: T. at June 06, 2013 12:31 PM (gllxq)

79 Posted by: joncelli at June 06, 2013 04:29 PM (RD7QR) I'm still experiencing political vertigo over the NYT actually taking TFG to task over this.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:31 PM (/PCJa)

80 When TFG has lost the Grey Whore, he will be forced to rely on FLOTUS to confront his hecklers.

Posted by: Penfold at June 06, 2013 12:31 PM (Fbt5B)

81 So what about the Boston bombers, or would using the F is for Foreign FISA to surveil their phone calls have been profiling?

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at June 06, 2013 12:31 PM (Sptt8)

82 So, according to DiFi, anybody might be a terrorist sometime in the future so we'll just be prepared for it by listening to everybody. Hmm.


We are all pre-criminals now.

Posted by: Cicero, DOCTOR of Jurisprudence and Shit at June 06, 2013 12:32 PM (8ZskC)

83 From last night... AMAZING!!! RT @drawandstrike: @AceofSpadesHQ What can be done with cross-matched call metadata: http://t.co/WbW982BbQq

Posted by: [/i]akula_51 at June 06, 2013 12:33 PM (YesJa)

84 Also Andrew McCarthy can go get horsefucked. I've had my problems with Andy (Patrick Fitzgerald is teh awesome) McCarthy but if you read his article, he's right on the substance. I don't agree with his conclusions, but he provides context for why this isn't immediately illegal.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 12:33 PM (T0NGe)

85 Apparently the only privacy left to me, thanks to Roe vs Wade, is if I miraculously (as a guy) become pregnant and decide to seek an abortion. That's my go to answer from here on out. Cops: Where were you on the evening of June 1st, 2013? Me: I'm having an abortion.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2013 12:34 PM (CRyse)

86 "legal regime"???? WTF does that even mean?
Posted by: creeper
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You will soon find out. I know who you are, and I know where you live.

Posted by: Eric Holder at June 06, 2013 12:35 PM (aDwsi)

87 From last night... AMAZING!!! RT @drawandstrike: @AceofSpadesHQ What can be done with cross-matched call metadata: http://t.co/WbW982BbQq

Posted by: akula_51 at June 06, 2013 04:33 PM (YesJa)

Whoa!

Posted by: Keanu Reeves at June 06, 2013 12:35 PM (UypUQ)

88 FISA, of course, stands for FOREIGN Intelligence Surveillance Act. Not Federal. There's a world of difference.

What about your GAAAAAAAFFFFSSSS ?

Posted by: Shit The MSM Won't Ask at June 06, 2013 12:36 PM (mCvL4)

89 82
So what about the Boston bombers, or would using the F is for Foreign FISA to surveil their phone calls have been profiling?

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp
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Well..., they're, like, Muslims. So exempt from suspicion.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 12:37 PM (aDwsi)

90 FISA, of course, stands for FOREIGN Intelligence Surveillance Act Fucking IRS Sees All.

Posted by: zsasz at June 06, 2013 12:37 PM (MMC8r)

91 83 So, according to DiFi, anybody might be a terrorist sometime in the future so we'll just be prepared for it by listening to everybody. DiFi. The same plutocratic, wrinkled gash that has a CCW license but wants the rest of us to give up our guns. I'm mixing her a hate cocktail spiked with bile and a shot of fuming sulfuric hate. Served at 212 degrees F.

Posted by: George Orwell what eats Aldous Huxley's mushrooms at June 06, 2013 12:37 PM (xw77v)

92 OMG... This is the official WRITTEN answer, and they still get it wrong???

Posted by: Baldy at June 06, 2013 12:38 PM (tyDFN)

93 88 Whoa! Yep - pretty amazing what you can do with a bunch of "metadata" that many folks are working overtime to say is quite trivial. Couple it with a bunch of public data streams...quite a clear picture emerges. I'm really considering going back to a land line.

Posted by: [/i]akula_51 at June 06, 2013 12:38 PM (YesJa)

94 The brits are paying reparations to the mau-maus. I wonder if barry will apply?

Posted by: Waldo Waldovich at June 06, 2013 12:38 PM (dHIHO)

95 "Robust legal regime" has to be a Freudian slip or three rolled into one flub.

"Robust legal precedent" might fly if we forget all the files Hoover kept on everyone.  But regime?  I think someone was dreaming of silencing those who dare question.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 06, 2013 12:38 PM (2evqn)

96 Just a reminder of all our brave men who died on this day in 1944:

Ronald Reagan's D-Day speech at Normandy:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/p7hv66

Posted by: Beverly at June 06, 2013 12:39 PM (VUVOV)

97 91 FISA, of course, stands for FOREIGN Intelligence Surveillance Act Fucking IRS Sees All.

Posted by: zsasz at June 06, 2013 04:37 PM (MMC8r)


Feds Impact Sore Anus

Posted by: joncelli at June 06, 2013 12:39 PM (RD7QR)

98

Everyone put your peni back into your underwear.  The NYT is not going to turn on Dear Leader.  Neither will any of the electronic MFM. 

 

These are just bumps in the road.

Posted by: Dr. Soona at June 06, 2013 12:40 PM (6mRoM)

99 Is it too soon to scream kill whitey into a microphone on national television?

Posted by: Michael Eric Dyson at June 06, 2013 12:40 PM (V1ZIU)

100
77 So as not to offend the sensibilities of AoSHQ's possible guests, I've modified what I originally wrote.  [expletive deleted] you, Josh Earnest, White House Special [expletive deleted] to the President and Principal Deputy Lying Liar Who Lies. [expletive deleted] these [expletive deleted], they are skirting this free society's basic rights and then telling us we're just misinterpreting. [expletive deleted] them all.
Posted by: dogfish at June 06, 2013 04:31 PM (nsOJa)

In keeping with the Nixonian odor of the current Administration, FIFY

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at June 06, 2013 12:41 PM (/lWM8)

101
...the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act




Unionized States of America....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 06, 2013 12:41 PM (kdS6q)

102 I see, incidentally, that Valerat Jarratt says Obama loves him some Holder and that Holder will be doing what he is doing for a long time to come. 

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 06, 2013 12:41 PM (XUKZU)

103 I thought I would point this out, even though i am sure some GOP House Rep is going to read similar comments Ace made on to the floor in a second or two: But with all this federal wiretapping and secret court orders and spying on James Rosen, isn't it a little odd that: We still looked the other way about the Boston perpetrators, ignoring information from Russia? We also seemed to not care about attacks on embassies on the anniversary of 9-11? Just saying, it seems like the admin was more concerned about opposition research than with actual National Security, the very thing for which they were ostensibly given these powers (if they exist at all) for.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at June 06, 2013 12:42 PM (QxSug)

104 100 Is it too soon to scream kill whitey into a microphone on national television?

Posted by: Michael Eric Dyson at June 06, 2013 04:40 PM (V1ZIU)


Never. And then I'll massage your weary tonsils. [Wink wink]

Posted by: Barry at June 06, 2013 12:42 PM (RD7QR)

105 Everyone put your peni back into your underwear. The NYT is not going to turn on Dear Leader. Neither will any of the electronic MFM. Here's the thing, they can't go back on this. We can quote them. And we can cite it.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 12:42 PM (T0NGe)

106 Did NY Times do one of those big govt overreach moments?

You mean like the tea partiers?

are they racist?

are they hicks in fly over states?

are they concerned about the govt long, very long arms?

well . Surprise!


Posted by: willow at June 06, 2013 12:42 PM (nqBYe)

107 Wait. Was there just a restompening?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 06, 2013 12:43 PM (VtjlW)

108 Since I tend to subject paranoia/conspiracy theory to a basic software test; If .paranoia/conspiracy theory. exhibited by IQ > 100 = possibly valid But If .paranoia/conspiracy theory. exhibited by IQ < 100 = probable bullshit Endif That being said, and being just slightly over the 100 IQ mark, I can see how the NYT is setting us all up for tomorrow the administration to say, 'We're only collecting the same information you would use to dispute a bill you think is in error. The telephone number, who you dialed, the duration of the call, the destination of the call.' I trust the NYT as much as the 'brother' of a Tijuana hooker promising me she's a virgin.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at June 06, 2013 12:43 PM (U2UQk)

109 Well, when you've lost the New York Times..............

I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds smart.

Posted by: Not an Artist at June 06, 2013 12:44 PM (uRumV)

110 Sure. More straw.

Posted by: The Camel at June 06, 2013 12:44 PM (MMC8r)

111 But with all this federal wiretapping and secret court orders and spying on James Rosen, isn't it a little odd that: We still looked the other way about the Boston perpetrators, ignoring information from Russia? We also seemed to not care about attacks on embassies on the anniversary of 9-11? Just saying, it seems like the admin was more concerned about opposition research than with actual National Security, I keep pointing out that if, say, a CIA director had become a problem for the administration, let's call him Donald Betrayus, it wouldn't take much metadata to discover he's making a lot of non-official phone calls to somebody he's not related to. Just saying.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 12:44 PM (T0NGe)

112 108 Wait. Was there just a restompening? 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 06, 2013 04:43 PM (VtjlW)

I do believe Ace has stomped the crotch boobehs.   

... I am glad I do not have an active imagination.  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 06, 2013 12:44 PM (v3pYe)

113 Refer anyone who believes this is/was trivial to comment #88 above and check out that link. Seriously, I'm no alarmist, but we collectively MUST understand what can actually be done with all of this data.

Posted by: [/i]akula_51 at June 06, 2013 12:45 PM (YesJa)

114 My CHL card just came in the mail today...for those of you surveilling....

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 06, 2013 12:45 PM (SPaYc)

115 112 I keep pointing out that if, say, a CIA director had become a problem for the administration, let's call him Donald Betrayus, it wouldn't take much metadata to discover he's making a lot of non-official phone calls to somebody he's not related to. Just saying. Holy shit, that may finally be a smoking howitzer. Nice dot connection, man. Seriously.

Posted by: [/i]akula_51 at June 06, 2013 12:45 PM (YesJa)

116 ** CIA director had become a problem for the administration, let's call him Donald Betrayus, it wouldn't take much metadata to discover he's making a lot of non-official phone calls to somebody he's not related to. *** Gee...holy shit...looks like some completely unrelated opposition research just happened to land in the FBI's lap.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at June 06, 2013 12:46 PM (QxSug)

117

 

"are subject to strict controls and procedures under oversight of the Department of Justice"

 

Oh that puts me at ease.

Posted by: The jackhole at June 06, 2013 12:46 PM (nTgAI)

118 OT Something to take one's mind, however briefly, off the em-emuing of this administration.

http://en.bijin-snap.com/2013/06/07/no-931/page/3/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 06, 2013 12:46 PM (2evqn)

119 103 I see, incidentally, that Valerat Jarratt says Obama loveshim someHolder and that Holder will be doingwhat he is doingfor a long time to come. Posted by: WalrusRex at June 06, 2013 04:41 PM

Jarrett is the one who loves her some Holder, and since Obama's lips move every time she wiggles her fingers, Holder is there as long as Obama is

Posted by: kbdabear at June 06, 2013 12:46 PM (mCvL4)

120

Apparently this has been going on for YEARS... and Congress... that great Constitutional defender... knew all about it...

 

They just didn't want to tell the peasents

 

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 06, 2013 12:46 PM (lZBBB)

121 I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken?

Posted by: BignJames at June 06, 2013 12:47 PM (Sg0G/)

122 Just saying, it seems like the admin was more concerned about opposition research than with actual National Security, the very thing for which they were ostensibly given these powers (if they exist at all) for.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at June 06, 2013 04:42 PM (QxSug)

 

 

----------------------------------------------

 

 

We are the enemy.  Get used to it.

Posted by: Dr. Soona at June 06, 2013 12:47 PM (6mRoM)

123 Sure sure, the administration may have missed warnings about the Boston Marathon, but they sure as shit were able to 86 Petreus's political ambitions, and likely his ability to talk about Benghazi.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at June 06, 2013 12:47 PM (QxSug)

124 Just a slip of the tongue? Sean Davis asks if we could perhaps see a transcript of that statement just to make sure.

Josh may not be so Earnest about responding.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 06, 2013 12:48 PM (kqqGm)

125 Gee, you think a group this dirty might have done some    minor vote fraud in a few states last November?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 06, 2013 12:49 PM (fCkqS)

126 A slip of the tongue. Like Anita Dunn's... (The Gorn was a fuckin' commie).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 12:49 PM (+98Gb)

127 Posted by: akula_51 at June 06, 2013 04:45 PM (YesJa) Gee...holy shit...looks like some completely unrelated opposition research just happened to land in the FBI's lap. Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at June 06, 2013 04:46 PM (QxSug) Whoa! Just to be clear, I'm just speculating. But...if the administration did want to blackmail someone, metadata would be an easy place to start and it wouldn't take very much effort to do so.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 12:49 PM (T0NGe)

128 @99 - yeah, the NYT just needs to stand up every week or so to get the hair out of their mouth. Don't worry, they'll be back in full-pucker as soon as they can adjust the kneepad straps.

Posted by: JEM at June 06, 2013 12:49 PM (o+SC1)

129 I've had my problems with Andy (Patrick Fitzgerald is teh awesome) McCarthy but if you read his article, he's right on the substance. I don't agree with his conclusions, but he provides context for why this isn't immediately illegal. Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 04:33 PM (T0NGe) I'm terribly sorry but are you, of all people, attempting to set forth the proposition that you believe that a former assistant United States attorney is correct about something? You are aware that to be an assistant United States attorney he must have both attended and graduated from law school? I mean, obviously, you must know that. By your own position, which you have made readily available here, that would perforce make him a mouth breathing idiot. So, hey, if you want to suddenly decide to recant your oft stated positions, then I will contemplate that you are acting in good faith now. Until that point? I'm thinking not.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 06, 2013 12:49 PM (VtjlW)

130 To be fair, Obama does see all of us as alien and foreign... Posted by: The Political Hat at June 06, 2013 04:21 PM (Vk2pI) That's because he is. Foreign in mind, if not in body.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 06, 2013 12:49 PM (bb5+k)

131 Ace-Every so often during the election cycle I had put out political signs on a whiteboard outside my house. Today I resumed the signs and put this: "Millions of Verizon users spied on by the government. You too" Then I quoted your line: "I guess we all have an Obama phone now" and gave your website. Expect a knock on your door shortly. We'll have a nice chat in the gulag. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2013 12:50 PM (iwHSQ)

132

Can I just say.... I should have been more worried about the Patriot Act.

I underestimated the danger it posed.

Many of you were spot on.

Posted by: petunia at June 06, 2013 12:50 PM (DAcBA)

133 If Bronco has lost the NYT he risks losing the Muslim Brotherbood.

Posted by: Beagle at June 06, 2013 12:50 PM (sOtz/)

134 I think, in fact, that henceforth any little NYT hissy-fit about the behavior of this administration should be referred to as a 'hair-spit'.

Posted by: JEM at June 06, 2013 12:50 PM (o+SC1)

135 I think, in fact, that henceforth any little NYT hissy-fit about the behavior of this administration should be referred to as a 'hair-spit'. Seconded.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:51 PM (/PCJa)

136 Vashta, come on, any conservative that talks about voter fraud is only driving the moderates from the party. After all, except for the instances in which it's been proven, it hasn't been proven yet and we aren't investigating those unproven instances either. Besides, 90%+ voter turnout is perfectly normal in blue precincts, once they're able to oust the republican poll judges.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at June 06, 2013 12:51 PM (QxSug)

137 Why do I get the sneaking, frightening hunch that maybe Romney/Ryan actually won the election? With the Verizon and IRS shit, that statement becomes less and less tin-foil-hat sounding every fucking day now.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 12:51 PM (+98Gb)

138
I'm a Verizon customer. They supply my television, my telephone, and my Internet. I now wonder if every time I click on AoS it is recorded in some database, every time I pick up the phone it is recorded in some database, every time I watch Fast and Loud it is recorded in some database.

Apparently the only privacy left to me, thanks to Roe vs Wade, is if I miraculously (as a guy) become pregnant and decide to seek an abortion.

We're not too wild about what you've been watching on TV either. We'd take it as a personal kindness if you'd just go ahead and switch over to MSNBC. Or Turk CNN. Either will do.

Thank you for your cooperation....'citizen'.


Posted by: Eric Holder and the DOJ at June 06, 2013 12:51 PM (eyJh9)

139 Who believes that this date is not being used to target political enemies? It is what this Administration does. Actual terrorism, not so much.

Posted by: ejo at June 06, 2013 12:52 PM (GXvSO)

140

Diane Feinstein said it was necessary in case someone became a terrorist in the future.

So they are convicting us of future crimes now.

This feels like a dystopia movie.  That was a plot line in one of them.

Posted by: petunia at June 06, 2013 12:52 PM (DAcBA)

141 Gee, you think a group this dirty might have done some minor vote fraud in a few states last November?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 06, 2013 04:49 PM (fCkqS)

 

 

------------------------------------------

 

 

That's crazy talk.

Posted by: Dr. Soona at June 06, 2013 12:52 PM (6mRoM)

142 Why do I get the sneaking, frightening hunch that maybe Romney/Ryan actually won the election? With the Verizon and IRS shit, that statement becomes less and less tin-foil-hat sounding every fucking day now. Yeah... I'm beginning to think y'all are right.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:52 PM (/PCJa)

143 Whoa! Just to be clear, I'm just speculating.

But...if the administration did want to blackmail someone, metadata would be an easy place to start and it wouldn't take very much effort to do so.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 04:49 PM (T0NGe)


hm as long as we're speculating, what about the dates of collection?  wasn't it ten days After boston?


if they had used this on Petraus or others  wouldn't those dates be b.s? or would there have been Other incidents  we still don't know about ?


of course  just distrusting and now Knowing what They do do, makes  even Justice Roberts trun around on Obamcare suspicious.


adjusts tin foil hat.

Posted by: willow at June 06, 2013 12:52 PM (nqBYe)

144 66 So Rep Gohmer follows Ace on Twitter? Someone on his staff -- or someone known to someone on his staff -- does. Posted by: MrScribbler at June 06, 2013 04:29 PM (mHrip) hmmm- and you can't spell "rickogh tempest" without "gohmert"...

Posted by: Nino at June 06, 2013 12:52 PM (eyuLr)

145 White House transcript with FEDERAL in it (FISA): http://preview.tinyurl.com/n6r524t

Posted by: Baldy at June 06, 2013 12:52 PM (tyDFN)

146 Just saying, it seems like the admin was more concerned about opposition research than with actual National Security, This. This is Community Organizing: They don't govern. They're just the people who swing the brickbats and break the legs. Which ties into something else I've been thinking lately: THIS IS THE MOST HATEFUL PRESIDENT WE HAVE EVER SEEN. No other has ever had the unbound contempt for the citizens that this guy does. He hates anyone who isn't under his thumb, and doesn't flinch at doing anything, legal or illegal, that he needs to do against them. And he's just as contemptuous as the ones that ARE under his thumb. He'll milk them for what he needs so he can stay in wagyu beef and exotic vacations. There's not a constructive speck in this man's MO-- he's completely destructive, purely anti-human. He builds nothing, just declares everything else built by others before him as corrupt and indecent and tries to plow it under-- health care, rule of law, economies, the family.

Posted by: zsasz at June 06, 2013 12:53 PM (MMC8r)

147 Posted by: Baldy at June 06, 2013 04:52 PM (tyDFN) Holy crap (or, as one of my wife's cousin's says: "wholly cow"). That's... pretty major, really, in light of recent scandals. But that still brings us back to the important question: is the embargo broken?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:54 PM (/PCJa)

148 Gee, you think a group this dirty might have done some minor vote fraud in a few states last November?
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 06, 2013 04:49 PM (fCkqS)

that couldn't be true, because wasn't there some guy named Sylva that got it right?


Posted by: willow at June 06, 2013 12:54 PM (nqBYe)

149 Since federal deals with interstate as well as foreign issues, the actual words used do not matter.

Posted by: MSNBC at June 06, 2013 12:54 PM (LYtpo)

150 And, on that note, I'm headed home in a much better mood than I began the day. It has been a bad day indeed for the SCOAMT, and that always makes me happy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:54 PM (/PCJa)

151 "Subject to strict controls and procedures under oversight of the Department of Justice," I think we can all rest easy, then.

Posted by: Dustin at June 06, 2013 12:55 PM (0a/7L)

152

102
...the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act




 

Unionized States of America....

 

And since Unions are Anti-Consumer...we're screwed.

 

Posted by: wheatie at June 06, 2013 12:55 PM (ZiafE)

153

That regime has been briefed to and approved by the court. And activities authorized under the Act are subject to strict controls and procedures under oversight of the Department of Justice, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, and the FISA Court to ensure that they comply with the Constitution and the laws of the United States, and appropriately protect privacy and civil liberties.

 

Yeah just like the ballsucking IRS.....Yeah we are in good hands with all those agencies.

 

 

 

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian at June 06, 2013 12:55 PM (HVff2)

154
It has been a bad day indeed for the SCOAMT, and that always makes me happy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 04:54 PM (/PCJa)


more than a bad day for TFG, a bad day in america.


mho

Posted by: willow at June 06, 2013 12:56 PM (nqBYe)

155 Our own government is now actively spying on everyone and persecuting anyone who dissents. I am utterly beside myself with rage and disbelief. Yet the truth is staring at us in the face. As General Buck Turgidson said, we are coming to a moment of truth in the life of this nation. He ain't kidding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 12:56 PM (+98Gb)

156 whereas phone calls are discrete events.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 04:29 PM (/PCJa)

Doesn't matter if you are making a call or not, you 'phone has to register it's presence within the coverage area of the nearest cell tower in order for incoming calls to be routed correctly to your present location.  If your device is powered up, the cell network knows where you are to within a few feet.


Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 06, 2013 12:56 PM (xMXFN)

157 88 - Re: Geo data.

You can use this data to establish travel patterns so that you can predict behavior, too, such as work arrival and departure times, your typical commute route, that you drop the kid off on the way to work and prefer to attend the 8:30 am church service.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 06, 2013 12:56 PM (jvnuj)

158

I'm sure someone could dig up the transcripts from the early days of the Patriot Act, when that was the GREAT CRIME of the Bush Administration:  They were "listening in" on calls  to and from overseas phones. 

 

And now these people are claiming that same statute gives them the right to do this DOMESTICALLY???

 

The proverbial nads on these people! 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 06, 2013 12:57 PM (TOk1P)

159 Help.... I've fallen and I get get up

Posted by: White House at June 06, 2013 12:57 PM (/jHWN)

160 Why do I get the sneaking, frightening hunch that maybe Romney/Ryan actually won the election? With the Verizon and IRS shit, that statement becomes less and less tin-foil-hat sounding every fucking day now. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 04:51 PM (+98Gb) Just how much of this and other info the government collected found its way back to Obama's re-election effort and Narwhal?

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 06, 2013 12:57 PM (Vk2pI)

161 Why do I get the sneaking, frightening hunch that maybe Romney/Ryan actually won the election? With the Verizon and IRS shit, that statement becomes less and less tin-foil-hat sounding every fucking day now. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 04:51 PM (+98Gb) No, that's just "conspiracy nut" talk. It belongs somewhere out there with demands to see his birth certificate. I personally don't consider any election legitimate in which Liberal Democrats have complete control over all media sources. Everything which reaches the American people has been filtered by Liberal Democrat Union members. Can't have a fair election under those circumstances.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 06, 2013 12:57 PM (bb5+k)

162 >>>THIS IS THE MOST HATEFUL PRESIDENT WE HAVE EVER SEEN.

No other has ever had the unbound contempt for the citizens that this guy does. He hates anyone who isn't under his thumb, and doesn't flinch at doing anything, legal or illegal, that he needs to do against them. And he's just as contemptuous as the ones that ARE under his thumb. He'll milk them for what he needs so he can stay in wagyu beef and exotic vacations.

There's not a constructive speck in this man's MO-- he's completely destructive, purely anti-human. He builds nothing, just declares everything else built by others before him as corrupt and indecent and tries to plow it under-- health care, rule of law, economies, the family.

Posted by: zsasz at June 06, 2013 04:53 PM (MMC8r)


***


I agree 100%. The problem is that around half of what I used to call my fellow citizens are either totally clueless about this or worse,  couldn't be bothered to care.  I feel like I am  in a foreign country, behind enemy lines  and surrounded by enemies.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 06, 2013 12:57 PM (Zid/C)

163

The Foreign Bureau of Investigations will be tapping all your phones.

Posted by: polynikes at June 06, 2013 12:57 PM (m2CN7)

164

Posted by: willow at June 06, 2013 04:52 PM (nqBYe)

 

Problem is that this has been going on for YEARS, with all the companies...

 

Verizon was just one who fought it.... and that fight got some attention...

 

Add in a bit of Echelon?

 

Add in the 'statefull inspection' of IP packets looking for specific terms?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 06, 2013 12:57 PM (lZBBB)

165 There's no such thing as a bad day for SCOAMF unless there are some real consequences. Which there are not. Hence, just another day on the putting green, bitches.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 12:58 PM (+98Gb)

166 I doubt Obama even gives a shit.He WON.He's still golfing and partying and living in luxury.

Posted by: steevy at June 06, 2013 12:58 PM (9XBK2)

167 @85 The problem is a lack of "particularized suspicion". Traditionally, some evidence of wrongdoing was necessary to start a fishing expedition.

Posted by: Beagle at June 06, 2013 12:58 PM (sOtz/)

168

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 04:29 PM (/PCJa)

 

I remind you all that pursuant to HIPAA (which I know isn't applicable here, but bear with me.) Telephone numbers are one of the 18 "Personal Identifiers" that have to be removed from medical data.

Apparently however when attached to phone calls they're just "metadata."

I suppose the argument goes "well, your phone number is sent out to the person who makes the call" which may be true, but I didn't authorize its use to the government.

Same with IP address, it's only "public" insofar as it is needed to do what I do on the interwebs, that doesn't mean the government can just scoop up every IP address that ever visited this site and I wouldn't be incredibly pissed off.

Posted by: tsrblke at June 06, 2013 12:59 PM (GaqMa)

169 Re: Geo data. You can use this data to establish travel patterns so that you can predict behavior, too, such as work arrival and departure times, your typical commute route, that you drop the kid off on the way to work and prefer to attend the 8:30 am church service. For a droning.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2013 12:59 PM (CRyse)

170 161 Just how much of this and other info the government collected found its way back to Obama's re-election effort and Narwhal? Posted by: The Political Hat at June 06, 2013 04:57 PM (Vk2pI) That Narwhal thing was such a fucking disastrous fuck-up on Election Day that sabotage by the telecom industry (willing or unwilling) is a real possibility in light of what has been and what may yet to be revealed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 01:00 PM (+98Gb)

171 You can use this data to establish travel patterns so that you can predict behavior, too, such as work arrival and departure times, your typical commute route, that you drop the kid off on the way to work and prefer to attend the 8:30 am church service.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 06, 2013 04:56 PM (jvnuj)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Hmmmm.  I wonder if I'll be going to the camps for being repetitive and mundane.

Posted by: Dr. Soona at June 06, 2013 01:00 PM (6mRoM)

172 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 04:54 PM (/PCJa) ----- Embargo?

Posted by: Baldy at June 06, 2013 01:00 PM (tyDFN)

173 This is Community Organizing: They don't govern. They're just the people who swing the brickbats and break the legs. Posted by: zsasz at June 06, 2013 04:53 PM (MMC8r) I keep mentioning American Brown shirts, but that has up till now been regarded as crazy talk. These people are the reincarnation of the National Socialists. These are living breathing Nazis.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 06, 2013 01:00 PM (bb5+k)

174

Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2013 04:59 PM (CRyse)

 

You could also data mine all the Location information... for those at a specific place and time...

 

Such as a TEA party event....

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 06, 2013 01:01 PM (lZBBB)

175 more than a bad day for TFG, a bad day in america. mho 

Posted by: willow at June 06, 2013 04:56 PM (nqBYe)


The bad day started when they began these covert activities.   Now that they're revealed for the world to see, we have the chance of getting better.  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 06, 2013 01:01 PM (v3pYe)

176 We're all foreign and domestic now.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at June 06, 2013 01:01 PM (2iU3x)

177

Hah ! That hacksite Plotico has a headline "Bush's 4th term"

 

I hope the gig is up

Posted by: The jackhole at June 06, 2013 01:01 PM (nTgAI)

178 Hmmmm. I wonder if I'll be going to the camps for being repetitive and mundane. Posted by: Dr. Soona at June 06, 2013 05:00 PM (6mRoM) A little mood music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIqESwzCGg4

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 06, 2013 01:02 PM (Vk2pI)

179 But that still brings us back to the important question: is the embargo broken? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 04:54 PM (/PCJa) No. I remind you of the words of General Custer in the movie "Little Big Man." As far as the media are concerned, "Your miserable life is not worth the reversal of a Custer decision!"

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 06, 2013 01:02 PM (bb5+k)

180 I remind you all that pursuant to HIPAA (which I know isn't applicable here, but bear with me.) Telephone numbers are one of the 18 "Personal Identifiers" that have to be removed from medical data. Apparently however when attached to phone calls they're just "metadata." I suppose the argument goes "well, your phone number is sent out to the person who makes the call" which may be true, but I didn't authorize its use to the government. Same with IP address, it's only "public" insofar as it is needed to do what I do on the interwebs, that doesn't mean the government can just scoop up every IP address that ever visited this site and I wouldn't be incredibly pissed off. Posted by: tsrblke at June 06, 2013 04:59 PM (GaqMa) I'd have to dig into it but I'm pretty sure that the legal position that actual telephone numbers are not private goes back to the pen trace rulings. There are some major differences between what's considered PHI for HIPAA and what is considered private information for 4th amendment purposes.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 06, 2013 01:02 PM (VtjlW)

181 Hmmmm. I wonder if I'll be going to the camps for being repetitive and mundane. Droned. If you go to a camp, they have to feed you.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2013 01:02 PM (CRyse)

182 Apparently the only privacy left to me, thanks to Roe vs Wade, is if I miraculously (as a guy) become pregnant and decide to seek an abortion.

Posted by: Regular Moron at June 06, 2013 04:25 PM (U2UQk)


I doubt it.  If you are the wrong sort or in the way or donate incorrectly or press the wrong view,  they'll find a way to let everybody know whatever can hurt you.

Posted by: SarahW at June 06, 2013 01:03 PM (LYwCh)

183 more than a bad day for TFG, a bad day in america. mho Posted by: willow at June 06, 2013 04:56 PM (nqBYe) Not the proper way of looking at it. The time when you realize that you have reached the bottom is the point at which healing begins.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 06, 2013 01:04 PM (bb5+k)

184 The bad day started when they began these covert activities. Now that they're revealed for the world to see, we have the chance of getting better.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 06, 2013 05:01 PM (v3pYe)


Yes we do have a chance at getting better,


Thank you , I needed to hear that right now.

Posted by: willow at June 06, 2013 01:04 PM (nqBYe)

185 They will change it from "Foreign" to "Federal" to "Frodo" any damn time they want to.  Because, screw you.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at June 06, 2013 01:04 PM (ndlFj)

186

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 06, 2013 05:02 PM (VtjlW)

 

True enough.

However, one of the guiding principles as I understand it when it comes to privacy is that you have to consider the totality of the information.

In this case we're at "HUGE" which it seems to me would be problematic.

My point is they're being incredibly inconsistent here.

"It's just telephone numbers don't worry." On one side and on the other "It's Private."

What's that Alinsky thing about making them live up to their own rule book?

Posted by: tsrblke at June 06, 2013 01:05 PM (GaqMa)

187

Ferderal as opposed to Foreign.  Obviously you people are RACISTS, just like that rag The New York Times.

On another note, is this the nation that my father spent his career fighting for and his uncle (my great uncle) spent the war in a prisoner of war camp for.  The Greatest Generation (and it truly was) must be rolling over in their graves over what this country has become.  And for those of you who have forgotten, this is D-Day.  If you know any of the veterans of WWII who are still alive (not many) tell them thanks and apologize for what we have permitted this country to become.  We are doomed.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at June 06, 2013 01:05 PM (Eq2MX)

188 That opening statement from Trey Gowdy was very powerful. Thanks to the poster who posted it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2013 01:05 PM (iwHSQ)

189 Our own government is now actively spying on everyone and persecuting anyone who dissents. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 04:56 PM (+98Gb) And who ever thought Socialist/Communists would ever behave differently?

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 06, 2013 01:05 PM (bb5+k)

190 >>>Which there are not. Hence, just another day on the putting green, bitches. Who was that Roman guy? Oh Yea. Nero. We gots our own imported Nero. No. I did not say what you thought I said.

Posted by: Tobacco Road, destroyer of damnphones at June 06, 2013 01:05 PM (4Mv1T)

191 There are some major differences between what's considered PHI for HIPAA and what is considered private information for 4th amendment purposes.

 

 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 06, 2013 05:02 PM (VtjlW)

 

 

Key is if you do an Act to conceal your phone number.... like make it unlisted... then you have a reasonable expectation of privacy...

 

But without that Act... its considered public because you did not do anything to make it private...

 

We need a CHEAP and Easy Ap, for phones... to encrypt our location, and phone calls.... because once that Act is done... they need probable cause to get your encryption keys, which should take a court order for you SPECIFICLY...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 06, 2013 01:05 PM (lZBBB)

192 Welcome to the camp, I'm sure you all know why we're here, My name is SCOAMF, I'm your fuhrer for at least 4 more years, If you want a transplant, Or don't want your business to fall, Then hand over your assets, Surrender your freedom, Now watch me sink this ball...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 01:05 PM (+98Gb)

193 I imagine my great grandchildren, if I have any offspring, if we still have the same form of govt (i.e. we haven't been taken over by the Chinese or died off from Yellowstone Caldera) will probably have to deal with internment camps. They will find some "good" reason to lock people up for purely political reasons.

Posted by: Baldy at June 06, 2013 01:06 PM (tyDFN)

194 so...they're listening to all our phone calls but they didn't bother to take Putin's phone call about the Boston bombers or Benghazi embassy. Actions illustrate priorities.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at June 06, 2013 01:06 PM (QxSug)

195 I'm terribly sorry but are you, of all people, attempting to set forth the proposition that you believe that a former assistant United States attorney is correct about something? Even a stopped clock. A corrupt, elitist, self-regarding, exclusionary, overpaid clock. By your own position, which you have made readily available here, that would perforce make him a mouth breathing idiot. Not necessarily, it's just that if he were a mouth-breathing idiot, it wouldn't make much difference. But I do exaggerate to make the point: if we are going to have philosopher-kings, law school is a singularly unsuitable filter. And yet (Obama, Obama, Biden, Holder, Clinton, Napolitano, Kerry, Gorelick, etc., etc., etc.) here we are.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 01:06 PM (T0NGe)

196 178 Hah ! That hacksite Plotico has a headline "Bush's 4th term" I hope the gig is up Posted by: The jackhole at June 06, 2013 05:01 PM (nTgAI) Great name for Politico; PLOTico... Yup.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 01:07 PM (+98Gb)

197 I'll second that, on the post of Trey Gowdy. Mean't to thank the poster above. Outstanding.

Posted by: Tobacco Road, destroyer of Obamaphones at June 06, 2013 01:07 PM (4Mv1T)

198 Doesn't matter if you are making a call or not, you 'phone has to register it's presence within the coverage area of the nearest cell tower in order for incoming calls to be routed correctly to your present location. If your device is powered up, the cell network knows where you are to within a few feet. Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 06, 2013 04:56 PM (xMXFN) Only if you use a new phone. Older phones without GPS cannot determine location that accurately. I, of course, use an old phone. I hear it's quite the habit of former intelligence people.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 06, 2013 01:07 PM (bb5+k)

199 again, metaphorical heads need to be put on metaphorical spikes. Free people can't have this level of secrecy and disrespect emanating from their civil servants.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at June 06, 2013 01:07 PM (QxSug)

200 I vote Not Proven.

Posted by: Zombie Arlen Specter at June 06, 2013 01:07 PM (m2CN7)

201 They will change it from "Foreign" to "Federal" to "Frodo" any damn time they want to. Because, screw you.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at June 06, 2013 05:04 PM (ndlFj)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Correct.  As long as this regime is in power, no other options but their's is up for discussion.  Move along now.

Posted by: Dr. Soona at June 06, 2013 01:08 PM (6mRoM)

202 200 again, metaphorical heads need to be put on metaphorical spikes. Free people can't have this level of secrecy and disrespect emanating from their civil servants. Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at June 06, 2013 05:07 PM (QxSug) Metaphorical may metamorphose into something not quite as pretty as a lepidoptera...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 01:09 PM (+98Gb)

203

@AtC,

 

Also I'd note I'm not trying to convince you.  Just trying to stir shit amongst the LIVs who might accept the connection and roll with it .

(Because clearly the "it's just meta data" idea is intended to do the same thing on the opposite end.)

Posted by: tsrblke at June 06, 2013 01:10 PM (GaqMa)

204 Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act

I see no problem here.

Posted by: Adjutant General Holder - Department of Just Us at June 06, 2013 01:10 PM (EZl54)

205 again, metaphorical heads need to be put on metaphorical spikes. Fuck it. Sipke 'em if ya got 'em.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2013 01:10 PM (CRyse)

206 I just want to crawl into a cosplay world and never come back.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 06, 2013 01:11 PM (2evqn)

207

"These people are the reincarnation of the National Socialists. These are living breathing Nazis."

 

Yessir; and you are living the same circumstances that led up to the rise of Hitler and the Reich.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 06, 2013 01:12 PM (SPaYc)

208 Phraseology like 'robust regimes' makes me nervous when employed by government officials. I don't like robust regimes, legal or otherwise. I don't like regimes at all.

Posted by: troyriser at June 06, 2013 01:12 PM (vtiE6)

209 We need a CHEAP and Easy Ap, for phones... to encrypt our location, and phone calls.... because once that Act is done... they need probable cause to get your encryption keys, which should take a court order for you SPECIFICLY...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 06, 2013 05:05 PM (lZBBB)

 

 

-------------------------------------------------

 

 

BWAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: Dear Leader and friends at June 06, 2013 01:12 PM (6mRoM)

210 We now have digital Stassi.  Seig Erich Honnecker!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 06, 2013 01:12 PM (2evqn)

211 FISA. Rhymes with "Issa." QED h8ers!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 01:13 PM (+98Gb)

212 160 Help.... I've fallen and I get get up
Posted by: White House The Republic



FIFY

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 01:13 PM (aDwsi)

213 We need a CHEAP and Easy Ap, for phones... to encrypt our location, and phone calls.... because once that Act is done... they need probable cause to get your encryption keys, which should take a court order for you SPECIFICLY... 

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 06, 2013 05:05 PM (lZBBB)

Don't see how that would work.   The cell phone company has to know who you are (which phone is in use) in order to bill you for services rendered.   They're the ones who have the information that is being given up to the feds, not your personal phone.  

I guess there could be an option to anonymize accounts (cash only pre-paid), but it'd be rather hard to control the association of a phone number with you.    "Hey, uh, don't call me at XXX-XXXX, ok?"

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 06, 2013 01:13 PM (v3pYe)

214 209 "These people are the reincarnation of the National Socialists. These are living breathing Nazis." Yessir; and you are living the same circumstances that led up tothe rise of Hitler and the Reich. --- And we appear to be the Chosen People. Shalom!

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 06, 2013 01:13 PM (zA7Zp)

215 "That Narwhal thing was such a fucking disastrous fuck-up on Election Day that sabotage by the telecom industry (willing or unwilling) is a real possibility in light of what has been and what may yet to be revealed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 05:00 PM (+98Gb)"



I have enough years in the computer industry to assure you that if the first time you ever test a large software project is on election day, the chances of it being a disastrous fuck up are pretty close to 100%.  Just the fact that they did not do a full scale test before election day is a good indication that the people in charge of the project were grotesquely incompetent. 



That does not mean that there was not additional sabotage by the telecom industry but why would they bother?  No.  This one falls entirely on the shoulders of Stuart Stevens and Mitt Romney.  Romney ran on the argument that he was a competent executive.  The giant GOTV software clusterfuck demonstrated beyond the shadow of a doubt that he was not.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at June 06, 2013 01:13 PM (31Nrp)

216 Not necessarily, it's just that if he were a mouth-breathing idiot, it wouldn't make much difference. But I do exaggerate to make the point: if we are going to have philosopher-kings, law school is a singularly unsuitable filter. And yet (Obama, Obama, Biden, Holder, Clinton, Napolitano, Kerry, Gorelick, etc., etc., etc.) here we are. Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 05:06 PM (T0NGe) I have always felt that a prerequisite for practice of law ought to be an Engineering degree.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 06, 2013 01:13 PM (bb5+k)

217 Can I just say.... I should have been more worried about the Patriot Act. I underestimated the danger it posed. Many of you were spot on. Posted by: petunia at June 06, 2013 04:50 PM (DAcBA) I see this as the case of The Boy Who Cried Civil Rights Violations. If you remember at the time, the civil liberties folks were busying themselves with the concern of library records.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 01:13 PM (T0NGe)

218

 

 

To them.... Foreigners are to be protected.... and the citizens are to be watched... because no foreign threat can bring down their power...

 

Its WE the people, who are a threat to their power...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 06, 2013 01:14 PM (lZBBB)

219 Romeo i had read somewhere yesterday they were asking companies for back doors into all programs .

i cannot remember where, i'm sorry.

Posted by: willow at June 06, 2013 01:14 PM (nqBYe)

220 I have always felt that a prerequisite for practice of law ought to be an Engineering degree. There is a course in almost every University. It's taught by the math department at the sophomore level. "Introduction to Proof"

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 01:16 PM (T0NGe)

221 Posted by: Brandon in Baton Rouge at June 06, 2013 05:13 PM (zA7Zp)


Look back on that bomber thread.  I've got a reply for you there.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at June 06, 2013 01:16 PM (31Nrp)

222 Yessir; and you are living the same circumstances that led up tothe rise of Hitler and the Reich. Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 06, 2013 05:12 PM (SPaYc) And that is exactly how I feel. We have to render these people harmless before they do so to us.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 06, 2013 01:16 PM (bb5+k)

223 I guess there could be an option to anonymize accounts (cash only pre-paid), but it'd be rather hard to control the association of a phone number with you. "Hey, uh, don't call me at XXX-XXXX, ok?" Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 06, 2013 05:13 PM (v3pYe) Or you could just use "burn phones."

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 06, 2013 01:18 PM (bb5+k)

224 The government ultimately withdrew the bill in 2013, citing that opposition. ... required telecommunications providers to ensure that there was a back door entrance to

so  i dunno?

Posted by: willow at June 06, 2013 01:18 PM (nqBYe)

225 Andy McCarthy is a tyrant at heart, as seemingly all people with his professional background.

Posted by: Baldy at June 06, 2013 01:19 PM (tyDFN)

226

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 06, 2013 05:13 PM (v3pYe)

 

 

Nope.... the Supremes have said that its all about a 'reasonable expectation of privacy'...

 

If you do an act, to protect your data... no matter how simple.. it takes it out of the public domain.

 

The Feds are getting this data, because its in the public domain... because we are not doing anything to protect said data.

 

Its like... if you leave a file on a public server for more than 6 months... the Feds say that is abandoned data, and do not need a search warrant for it... UNLESS its encrypted... once you encrypt, you DO have a reasonable expectation of privacy, which means they would need a specific warrant to get your data...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 06, 2013 01:19 PM (lZBBB)

227 That does not mean that there was not additional sabotage by the telecom industry but why would they bother? No. This one falls entirely on the shoulders of Stuart Stevens and Mitt Romney. Romney ran on the argument that he was a competent executive. The giant GOTV software clusterfuck demonstrated beyond the shadow of a doubt that he was not. Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at June 06, 2013 05:13 PM (31Nrp) I'm pretty certain I've read accounts of hackers taking credit for assisting the Romney campaign in screwing up their project.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 06, 2013 01:20 PM (bb5+k)

228

Can I just say.... I should have been more worried about the Patriot Act.
I underestimated the danger it posed.
Many of you were spot on.
Posted by: petunia at June 06, 2013 04:50 PM (DAcBA)

I can see that position but this is a bastardization and violation of the Patriot Act, not part of it.  If  we didn't have the Patriot Act they would have found another patsy act to  claim  that it  supports their violation of our rights. 

Posted by: Zombie Arlen Specter at June 06, 2013 01:20 PM (m2CN7)

229 178 Hah ! That hacksite Plotico has a headline "Bush's 4th term"

I hope the gig is up Posted by: The jackhole
------------

Yeah, well, see, there is always that transference to Bush, as though Barky is personally exempt from mention. Huff Po did it too. Headline: "GEORGE W. OBAMA"    See? It isn't *really* Obama's fault..., he's just stuck with Bush stuff, kinda. You will *never* see a directly negative or critical word about the Barker in the MSM

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 01:20 PM (aDwsi)

230

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 06, 2013 05:13 PM (v3pYe)

 

Oh... and this is also why I will not use Google anything... read their email and file sharing agreements.... they say they OWN the data.. and thus can give it to the Feds at will...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 06, 2013 01:20 PM (lZBBB)

231

I have always felt that a prerequisite for practice of law ought to be an Engineering degree.      Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp

 

Having just spent the better part of a week being audited by a gaggle of FAA enginerds from several disciplines I completely disagree with you. I can state with confidence that the cream of the engineering crop does not go to work for the FAA, and those who do are lobotomized.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 06, 2013 01:21 PM (SPaYc)

232 Philip K. Dick certainly was on the right wavelength with Minority Report or even Person of Interest TV series. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 06, 2013 01:22 PM (2evqn)

233 There is a course in almost every University. It's taught by the math department at the sophomore level. "Introduction to Proof" Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 05:16 PM (T0NGe) My point exactly. I argue with lawyer types constantly, and I am always befuddled at their usage of arguments which reduce to "Someone said so, so that proves it. " (Precedent.) Argumentum ad numerum, populum, and vericundiam is routine for this crowd. It is rare when they use other than a fallacy argument. They don't know what actual "proof" is.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 06, 2013 01:23 PM (bb5+k)

234 I have toyed with the idea of generating *large* bogus files that would set off alarms at the data snoopers. It is amusing to consider. Lord knows.., by now they are poring over every word here at AOS.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 01:24 PM (aDwsi)

235 'Ettes, please be on station at 0800 Saturday morning, with shovels, to begin excavation of the tunnel leading to the moron's camp.

Posted by: creeper at June 06, 2013 01:24 PM (vbzvs)

236 Who knew the Number of the Beast would be one's MEI.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 06, 2013 01:27 PM (2evqn)

237 @227 All lawyers are not crypto-fascists. Though I did learn "Constitutional" law from an international socialist who did not care, at all, about anything you do. Obama was no closed book to me.

Posted by: Beagle at June 06, 2013 01:27 PM (sOtz/)

238 Having just spent the better part of a week being audited bya gaggle of FAA enginerdsfrom several disciplines I completely disagree with you. I can state with confidence that the cream of the engineering crop does not go to work for the FAA, andthose who do are lobotomized. Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 06, 2013 05:21 PM (SPaYc) I would initially remark that they work for a governmental bureaucracy, so how good of engineers could they be? Secondly, I would ask what sort of Engineers were they supposed to be? The title "Engineer" is given to a lot of people who don't actually do Engineering.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 06, 2013 01:28 PM (bb5+k)

239 "I'm pretty certain I've read accounts of hackers taking credit for assisting the Romney campaign in screwing up their project.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 06, 2013 05:20 PM (bb5+k)"



Do you think that problem could have been predicted and prepared for?  Banking systems are under attack pretty much all the time now and yet they function.


The fact that they never did a full scale test of a project that they were relying on should tell you all you need to know about the competence of the Romney campaign.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at June 06, 2013 01:28 PM (31Nrp)

240   Posted by: Romeo13 at June 06, 2013 05:19 PM (lZBBB)

Phone call location is by definition the cell phone company's records - which makes it outside of the user's control to encrypt or conceal. 

Their servers have to have this data, somewhere: 
- Phone with #xxx-xxxx made a call from cell tower at location A at 5:30pm for 3 minutes. 

You could encrypt what you said or texted over that call, but the fact that your phone made that call can't be a secret minus some new laws forcing a privacy focused technical implementation.   (All servers toss out all logs within 24 hours? Can't fix billing mistakes) 

Any fix you can come up for the situation is a legal solution, not a technical one.  (there's no app to fix our legal system, alas) 

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 06, 2013 01:29 PM (v3pYe)

241 Do you think that problem could have been predicted and prepared for? Banking systems are under attack pretty much all the time now and yet they function. The fact that they never did a full scale test of a project that they were relying on should tell you all you need to know about the competence of the Romney campaign. Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at June 06, 2013 05:28 PM (31Nrp) Oh, I agree. I thought the concept was too naive and optimistic when I first heard about it, i'm just making the point that not only did they stumble, but people were pushing them as well.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 06, 2013 01:30 PM (bb5+k)

242

Diogenes' Lamp;

These folks all have at least a BSE degree and some have an MSE or even a PhD; disciplines include Electrical Systems & Equipment, Structures, Flight Analyst, Flight Test, Software.  There were some manufacturing inspection folks involved too but they are called 'engineers'.

 

 For the most part, very smart people without a lick of common sense.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 06, 2013 01:37 PM (SPaYc)

243 Philip K. Dick certainly was on the right wavelength with Minority Report or even Person of Interest TV series.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 06, 2013 05:22 PM (2evqn)

 

Phillip K. Dick was on the right wavelength on just about every sociopolitical trend that's become visible in the last 20 years. The man's intiution and ability to extrapolate possibilities from fixed points was uncanny. (I discount his delusional belief in his personal divine revelation; I blame the acid.)

 

'The Man In The High Castle' is one of my favorite novels. It's also one of the few of Dick's works that will never be made into a movie.

Posted by: troyriser at June 06, 2013 01:39 PM (vtiE6)

244

My error: There were some manufacturing inspection folks involved too but they are NOT called 'engineers'.

When the majority of the audit is on how well the certification files are organized and how the forms were completed instead of how the inspections, the tests and the analyses were conducted...well...you get the point.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 06, 2013 01:42 PM (SPaYc)

245 The entire government is infested from top to bottom with crypto fascists - aka Democrats. It will never be fixed until a critical mass of citizens comes to the realization that the problem lies in the Democrat Party and nowhere else. You want to fix this problem? Vote against every Democrat everywhere you see them, from dogcatcher to President.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 06, 2013 01:53 PM (Zid/C)

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