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January 22, 2013

Tiananmen Square Activist Turned American Second Amendment Activist
— andy

HereÂ’s a transcript (the cameraman missed the first paragraph).
The past Monday I decided to visit the Minuteman Park in Lexington and pay tribute to Captain John Parker and his fellow minutemen. A thought came to my mind, that the founding fathers of the United States and Chairman Mao had one thing in common: they all realized that guns are important political instruments. Their similarities, however, ended there:
Chairman Mao wrote: Â‘Political power grows out of barrel of a gunÂ’, and he dictated: Â‘The party shall command the gunÂ’. James Madison and his compatriots, however, believing that the power of the state is derived from the consent of the governed, ratified that Â‘the right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringedÂ’.
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Read the whole thing. Video below the fold.

Via @BenK84

Posted by: andy at 08:09 AM | Comments (134)
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1 Courage knows no nationality.

Posted by: pep at January 22, 2013 08:11 AM (YXmuI)

David Attenborough wishes this man to be fertilizer.

Posted by: Jaws at January 22, 2013 08:12 AM (4I3Uo)

3 Wow, now that is moral authority.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2013 08:12 AM (PuTIo)

4 The right to bear arms is the right to self-defense.

Posted by: edmund at January 22, 2013 08:12 AM (Bjz58)

5 That is inspiring.

Gang we need to work on creating an international right like there is an international left.

Locke needs to go Viral and we on the right must divorce our defense of Locke from our praise of America.

Let a thousand communities that value man for his innate freedoms bloom

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 08:13 AM (LRFds)

6 And now the libtards control tha State and want to confiscate all the guns and turn the people into slaves to the State.

What happened in the short history of MA?

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 08:13 AM (53z96)

I like the part where he pointed out that the Chinese constitution promises people the same things that our constitution does. The audience laughs because they know even though those rights are promised, they don't actually exist in reality.

That's the main point of this. If you can't defend them, your rights are meaningless. They're not worth the paper they're written on.

Posted by: Ben at January 22, 2013 08:14 AM (C2Y4l)

8 MFM: Story? What story?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 22, 2013 08:14 AM (1Jaio)

9 3 Ms Puma,

Balls the size of boulders.

It's a lot like the 2 men who shut down the water pump at Chernobyl, they earned the right to be reflected on for their views with their sacrifice and trembling hands.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 08:14 AM (LRFds)

10 In China, this man would already be dead.

Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 08:14 AM (GQ8sn)

11 Can we make him President? Citizenship is not an issue any more, after all.

Posted by: rickl at January 22, 2013 08:14 AM (zoehZ)

You have this gentleman and then you have Jackie Chan. One a real hero and the other a make believe hero.

Posted by: polynikes at January 22, 2013 08:14 AM (m2CN7)

13 What happened in the short history of MA? Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 12:13 PM (53z96)

Harvard.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i] at January 22, 2013 08:15 AM (sbV1u)

14 How DARE this man exploit Tiananmen for the benefit of the gun lobby!

Posted by: Piers Morgan at January 22, 2013 08:15 AM (DrWcr)

This guy needs to give Jackie Chan an ass kicking.

Posted by: garrett at January 22, 2013 08:15 AM (2LxOR)

16 Meanwhile... Most. Transparent. Administration. EVAH!

@zerohedge EGAN-JONES BARRED FROM RATING ABS, GOVTS FOR 18-MOS IN SEC PACT. No one dare mention the rating of the US

Yep, dare not proclaim the Emperor's obvious lack of clothing.

Posted by: DocJ at January 22, 2013 08:15 AM (A5uiv)

17 7 Ben,

correct and our idiots who say "well that ban was there and freedom still reigns" are fools if they cannot grasp inertia....

every would be American tyrant knows that they risk a heavy rebuttal for their hubris.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 08:15 AM (LRFds)

18 I don't get it.

Posted by: John Lennon at January 22, 2013 08:15 AM (BrQrN)

19 I faked it yesterday.

Posted by: Beyonce at January 22, 2013 08:16 AM (Cm5S0)

20 Very inspiring. The guy from the video JohnE. posted yesterday hit the nail on the head when he held up the magazine and said "This is politics. This is freedom."

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 08:17 AM (da5Wo)

21 Chairman Mao wrote: Â¡Â®Political power grows out of barrel of a gunÂ¡Â¯, and he dictated: Â¡Â®The party shall command the gunÂ¡Â¯. James Madison and his compatriots, however, believing that the power of the state is derived from the consent of the governed, ratified that Â¡Â®the right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringedÂ¡Â¯. THAT needs to be tattooed on every libs forehead.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2013 08:17 AM (jZpAK)

22 I like it! Also, I needed it. Too tempting to give up the fight.

Posted by: Aaron at January 22, 2013 08:18 AM (Tlix5)

23 That's the problem with God-given rights, half an hour later you're hungry for more.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 22, 2013 08:18 AM (ORGYc)

24 Here is a ron worthy young man. http://tinyurl.com/a523nam

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 08:18 AM (l86i3)

25 He can't be President......could he be a SCOTUS Justice?

Posted by: BignJames at January 22, 2013 08:19 AM (Sg0G/)

Words. Just words.

Posted by: Baraka the Hussein at January 22, 2013 08:19 AM (N2KVu)

27 Harvard.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2013 12:15 PM (sbV1u)

Harvard had already been around for nearly 150 years when the battle of Concord happened.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 08:19 AM (53z96)

28 So you think I just read books on Napkin Folding by Irene Chalmers? Now that is a naive King..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 22, 2013 08:19 AM (Q8Pu5)

THAT needs to be tattooed on every libs forehead.

In Chinese.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 22, 2013 08:19 AM (BAS5M)

30 MFM: This guy supports gun rights because he's a RACIST!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 22, 2013 08:19 AM (1Jaio)

31 Unfortunately, China has state-run mass media which are a reliable mouthpiece for their central government's policies, and which discourage any mention of dissenting views.

And, pretty much, so do we.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 22, 2013 08:19 AM (gqT4g)

32 Do we have an Honorary Order of the Ewok?

We need one.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i] at January 22, 2013 08:19 AM (sbV1u)

33 "I've got a TSA agent you'd like to meet."

Posted by: RWC at January 22, 2013 08:19 AM (fWAjv)

You silly wingnuts with your AR-15's aren't no match for the government which has bombers & tanks!

So you go on clutching your guns in your (penis) fetish of some sort of civil war while we good, benevolent liberals know that the side of government is always just!

Posted by: Jay at January 22, 2013 08:20 AM (3LaGb)

35 Man with hammerless revolver in pocket feel safe not cocky.

Posted by: Confuscius at January 22, 2013 08:21 AM (2LxOR)

36 It is a sad day when the citizens of Russia and China beg Americans not to give up their guns and the American press instead sides with the governments of China, Russia and the Democratic Party.

Posted by: pat at January 22, 2013 08:21 AM (vY2MW)

37 That long corridor down to the front door is for a purpose...

Posted by: Clemenza at January 22, 2013 08:22 AM (Q8Pu5)

38 LOL a .45 and a Bushmaster are going to be some match for a nuclear bomb!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jay at January 22, 2013 08:22 AM (3LaGb)

39 This poor coolie child has been brainwashed by the right-wing slaveowners.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at January 22, 2013 08:22 AM (0It32)

40 Assaulted:Civil Rights Under Fire - preview http://tinyurl.com/adhbhpe

Posted by: RWC at January 22, 2013 08:22 AM (fWAjv)

41
32 Do we have an Honorary Order of the Ewok?

We need one.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2013 12:19 PM (sbV1u)

I don't know about an official AoS honor, but we can certainly hook him up. We need one more for a quorum. Is CBD or EC still hanging around?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 08:22 AM (da5Wo)

42 Posted by: Jay at January 22, 2013 12:20 PM (3LaGb) They may have those things, but you don't :-)

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 08:23 AM (l86i3)

43 Survival of the fittest.

Posted by: Charles Darwin at January 22, 2013 08:23 AM (IsSIY)

44 Aw man, I ducked away from the last thread long enough to have missed my successful trolling of the troll.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 22, 2013 08:23 AM (4c71i)

45 @ 34 except for the Barrett 50 cal owners you have a point..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 22, 2013 08:24 AM (Q8Pu5)

46 Aw man, I ducked away from the last thread long enough to have missed my successful trolling of the troll. Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 22, 2013 12:23 PM (4c71i) It was well done.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 08:24 AM (l86i3)

47 It's such a shame that Lexington, MA is now square in the middle of deep blue territory. I can't fathom the cognitive dissonance of those who live around Boston, knowing what occurred there a couple hundred years ago. To drive by the field where the Minute Men took a stand, and be as blue as can be...baffling.

Posted by: Brewer at January 22, 2013 08:24 AM (eV1I0)

48 Ramsey grabbed a can of gas from the vehicle, poured it around the base of the house, lit it and drove off.

WTF?!?!

So glad he was taken care of by the sheriff's deputies.

Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 08:24 AM (GQ8sn)

49 LOL a .45 and a Bushmaster are going to be some match for a nuclear bomb!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jay

Do you understand the difference between a police state and a radioactive glass parking lot?

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 22, 2013 08:25 AM (BrQrN)

50 So glad he was taken care of by the sheriff's deputies. Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 12:24 PM (GQ8sn) Loved it, the ROE seemed a bit laxed that day.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 08:25 AM (l86i3)

51 Is CBD or EC still hanging around?

Aye.

Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 08:25 AM (GQ8sn)

52 Obviously it is because Chinese have small penises.

Posted by: Truman North at January 22, 2013 08:25 AM (5mBjE)

53 Posted by: Jay at January 22, 2013 12:20 PM (3LaGb)

That's not a good sock. It needs more exclamation points and CAPS.

C'mon, bring da crazeee. We know you can do it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i] at January 22, 2013 08:25 AM (sbV1u)

54 So glad he was taken care of by the sheriff's deputies.
Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 12:24 PM (GQ8sn)

Loved it, the ROE seemed a bit laxed that day.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 12:25 PM (l86i3)

Some folks just need killin'. He was one of them.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 22, 2013 08:25 AM (DrWcr)

55 Not sure if troll or really inept sock.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a Flaming Moe at January 22, 2013 08:26 AM (ZKzrr)

56 To drive by the field where the Minute Men took a stand, and be as blue as can be...baffling. Posted by: Brewer at January 22, 2013 12:24 PM (eV1I0)

First, you have to care.

And that's where we come in!!!

Posted by: Massachuetts Education Association, A Proud NEA Affiliate[/i] at January 22, 2013 08:27 AM (sbV1u)

57 Not sure if troll or really inept sock. Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ needs a Flaming Moe at January 22, 2013 12:26 PM (ZKzrr) Nah, I recognize the forth year sophmore majoring in liberal arts. He's a troll, but once again, not a good one.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 08:27 AM (l86i3)

Posted by: Jay at January 22, 2013 12:20 PM (3LaGb)

That's not a good sock. It needs more exclamation points and CAPS

Fuck, I'm an idiot.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 22, 2013 08:27 AM (BrQrN)

Been reading a lot of analysis on TOTUS' speech yesterday. None of it proclaims any real American value. I think we're finally going to see the the unapologetic emergence of the first true tyrannt this country has seen.

Wilson is in hell and loving it. Stay strong, everyone.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2013 08:27 AM (N2KVu)

60 Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 12:22 PM (da5Wo)

This should do nicely:

http://tinyurl.com/b498ntn

NSFW (sort of)

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 22, 2013 08:27 AM (GsoHv)

Ok, the left is now recycling this as a form of argumentation against the 2nd Amendment:

In District of Columbia v. Heller, issued in 2008, Scalia and the court made it clear for the first time that the Second Amendment Â“protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia.Â” But in that same opinion, Scalia brushed aside claims that the Second Amendment guarantees citizens the means to armed revolution. He concluded that technology has rendered that part of the amendment an archaic artifact, because Â“a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at largeÂ” and that Â“no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks.Â”

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1. I didn't know Scalia was a general or war historian

2. In 1776 the British Army was the most technologically advanced, well trained, and feared fighting force in the world

3. US "bombers and tanks" didn't do so swell right of the bat in Anbar province.

4. This presumes someone is going to order a "bomber" to drop bombs on a city or town and someone in the military is going to actually do this.

5. IN 1993, a couple hundred Somali's shot down 2 helicopters and held off the Delta Force, Navy Seals, Pakistani tanks and Malaysian Condor armoured personnel carriers for 18 hours, what do you think 5 million Americans, including a few state national guard units are capable of?

This type of thinking by Scalia is completely non-sensical and flies in the face of world history.

Posted by: Jay at January 22, 2013 08:28 AM (3LaGb)

This is further proof that America is an anomaly: history is littered with the bodies of the innocent. We alone dared to counter this history with the strength of the individual and put government in its proper place as servants of the people and the defender of God-given rights.

The idea of freedom is always under assault. Today, it is under siege from those who have stolen the country and betrayed their oath. Division is their tool, envy is their mantra and power is their goal. Those who desire power do not desire freedom for others.

Those who desire freedom must, of needs, rise up to counter those who wish to enslave us. We cannot rest. Ours is a constant fight.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 22, 2013 08:28 AM (yiIja)

63 Do we have an Honorary Order of the Ewok?

I believe that all the current inductees are NSFW on google image search.

Posted by: Wooga at January 22, 2013 08:28 AM (sTLU3)

64 We think Presdent Obama should put this person jail for crimes against humanity.............

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt and Proud of it !!!!!!!!!! at January 22, 2013 08:28 AM (48wze)

65 "You silly wingnuts with your AR-15's aren't no match for the government which has bombers tanks!"

Yeah, I'm sure whichever GOP governor of whatever state the Feds run bombing sorties in is just going to grin and bear it.

Anyone whose "civil war" battle plan includes lock-step obedience to unconstitutional orders is clearly living in an even greater fantasy land than they accuse their opponents of inhabiting. And what are you going to be doing while all this fighting is going on? Blogging from Starbucks? You really think that young men and women who support gun rights are going to do your dirty work for you?

Today's Left is like the French aristocracy of the Revolutionary period, only somehow even LESS grounded in reality.

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 22, 2013 08:28 AM (eP0u9)

66 Terrible sock. I could sock harder drunk, stoned, and with the Caps button stuck.

Posted by: CAC at January 22, 2013 08:28 AM (98UNH)

67 Hoplophobia (n.): The irrational fear of weapons, correctly described by Freud as "a sign of emotional and sexual immaturity" Hi Jay

Posted by: RWC at January 22, 2013 08:29 AM (fWAjv)

68 Not sure if troll or really inept sock.

Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ needs a Flaming Moe at January 22, 2013 12:26 PM (ZKzrr)\

Does it matter? In either case trying to engage it is silly.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 08:29 AM (53z96)

69 And yes, I was trying to sock around...

Posted by: Jay at January 22, 2013 08:29 AM (3LaGb)

70 LOL a .45 and a Bushmaster are going to be some match for a nuclear bomb!!!!!!!!! Look at a map. Blue hives and red expanses. You can't bomb expanses.

Posted by: t-bird at January 22, 2013 08:30 AM (FcR7P)

BRILLIANT.

If you hate the left for no other reason, hate them for this: that they can be confronted with the direct testimony of people who have lived and suffered under tyranny, but would still rather call those people liars and fools than re-examine their own naive assumptions.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 22, 2013 08:30 AM (4df7R)

72 The Order of the Ewok shall be presented for meritorious clue-batting of the terminally stupid with the blatantly obvious truths of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2013 08:30 AM (PuTIo)

73 And yes, I was trying to sock around... Posted by: Jay at January 22, 2013 12:29 PM (3LaGb) Hmm, there is an actual Jay troll, unless you have been using that for quite some time.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 08:30 AM (l86i3)

74 Alright Bannion, you've got me, CBD, EC and yourself. That's easily a quorum. Bring the motion.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 08:30 AM (da5Wo)

75 And on that note, Midway has some 5.56 today. 500 for 219

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 22, 2013 08:30 AM (4Mv1T)

76 Please stop correcting the poorly-attempted trollsock.

Posted by: CAC at January 22, 2013 08:30 AM (98UNH)

77 AoSHQ PSA

Dear Iphone owners:

Turn your fucking phone to the side when shooting video, you fucking retards.

The More You Know
* ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ *

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 22, 2013 08:31 AM (xz0nG)

78 "When a Government has a monopoly on guns they have absolute power"

"To me a rifle is not for sporting or hunting, it is an instrument of freedom.
It guarantees that I cannot be coerced, that I have free will, that I am a free man"

This guy must be some sort of crazy Conservative Chinaman.

......and I'd like to buy him a drink.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 22, 2013 08:32 AM (aZ6ew)

79 Posted by: Jay at January 22, 2013 12:28 PM (3LaGb)

This why the regime so desperately wants to label returning veterans as internal security risks. When you've spent the last ten years fighting an insurgency, you have a damn good idea of how to conduct an insurgency.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 22, 2013 08:32 AM (L8r/r)

80 I go to stockpile some stuff at the storage bunker....
All the best...
Custer in Mexifornia

Posted by: Clemenza at January 22, 2013 08:32 AM (Q8Pu5)

81 Koch Brother plant. Or something.

Posted by: RWC at January 22, 2013 08:32 AM (fWAjv)

82 This should do nicely: NSFW (sort of) Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 22, 2013 12:27 PM (GsoHv)

You are a true mensch.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i] at January 22, 2013 08:33 AM (sbV1u)

83 >>>Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 22, 2013 12:28 PM (yiIja) What's that from? I should know this.

Posted by: Truman North at January 22, 2013 08:33 AM (5mBjE)

84 Thank God. I was thinking we'd follow up 1 lame troll with another. Since I'vebeen gone the quality of trolling has really taken a dive.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, El Patron at January 22, 2013 08:33 AM (yAor6)

85 Wow. What is this guy's name? It wasn't given at the link.

Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at January 22, 2013 08:34 AM (C8mVl)

86 And on that note, Midway has some 5.56 today. 500 for 219 Is there a discount for 500 million?

Posted by: "Your" DHS at January 22, 2013 08:34 AM (FcR7P)

87 Wow.. inspiring.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 22, 2013 08:34 AM (DGIjM)

88 I have to stop using my phone for a bit. Smell you later.

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 22, 2013 08:35 AM (5mBjE)

89 DrewM post up.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 08:36 AM (da5Wo)

90 Do we have an Honorary Order of the Ewok?

I believe that all the current inductees are NSFW on google image search.

Posted by: Wooga at January 22, 2013 12:28 PM (sTLU3)

----------------------------------------------

Oh, I don't know. There's always cake girl.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2013 08:36 AM (N2KVu)

91 Dear Iphone owners: Turn your fucking phone to the side when shooting video, you fucking retards. Looks fine to me. Are you using Explorer or something?

Posted by: t-bird at January 22, 2013 08:36 AM (FcR7P)

92 @ 86 Funny you could buy all the needed things after 9-11, but get a Tyrant in office and evreything costs triple..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 22, 2013 08:36 AM (Q8Pu5)

93 "Look at a map. Blue hives and red expanses. You can't bomb expanses.

Posted by: t-bird at January 22, 2013 12:30 PM (FcR7P)"

Yeah, I'm getting the sense that all these liberals who think they could actually enforce their laws across the entire country haven't really thought it through.

Heck, when NYC or DC gets hit with a terrorist nuke (you know it's coming at some point), liberalism will collapse from the weight of the loss of so many of its propagandists, while the rest of the country will soldier on.

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 22, 2013 08:36 AM (eP0u9)

94 The Order of the Ewok shall be presented for meritorious clue-batting of the terminally stupid with the blatantly obvious truths of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

The OotE shall be represented as two boobehs of cup size DD. Conspicuous gallantry shall be recognized with brass tassel devices.

Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 08:37 AM (GQ8sn)

95 Alright Bannion, you've got me, CBD, EC and yourself. That's easily a quorum. Bring the motion. Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 12:30 PM (da5Wo)

Let the record show that at 1237 on January 22, 2013, I motion that the Society of Morons Who are Outwardly Lewd But Cherish Their Wedding VowsÂ®
be called to order.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i] at January 22, 2013 08:38 AM (sbV1u)

96 47 ---- "It's such a shame that Lexington, MA is now square in the middle of deep blue territory. I can't fathom the cognitive dissonance of those who live around Boston, knowing what occurred there a couple hundred years ago. To drive by the field where the Minute Men took a stand, and be as blue as can be...baffling." Posted by: Brewer at January 22, 2013 12:24 PM (eV1I0) My thoughts exactly as I see Virginia turn blue. Painful.

Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at January 22, 2013 08:38 AM (C8mVl)

97 "Look at a map. Blue hives and red expanses. You can't bomb expanses."

Throughout history, the hard Left have shown themselves perfectly capable of simply starving out the expanses when it suits their purposes. Ask the Ukrainian kulaks. Ask the Chinese villagers under Mao.

I've suggested before that in a truly serious financial crisis, all efforts of the federal government are going to focus on diverting resources out of rural areas and into cities. What's left of the supply chains for fuel and food are going to be militarily confiscated and prioritized for urbanites.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 22, 2013 08:39 AM (gqT4g)

I don't get the nuke thing. One patriot skipper of a single missile boat and that arument is moot. Do you really want to launch if you lose all the big NE cities plus one for San Fran? Or a patriot xo, or just the crew deciding they want a different outcome.

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 08:39 AM (OQpzc)

What's that from? I should know this.

Just timeless principles that we should be reminded of. The "those who love power do not love freedom" part is an old quote from someone who's name escapes me at the moment.

The rest is just me typing.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 22, 2013 08:40 AM (yiIja)

100 61 -- The weakness of Scalia's argument is what drove Thomas to write his own opinion, concurring with the decision but offering other reasons. Thomas goes into the basic rights of a free man to defend himself under ancient law and custom. He talks about gun control as a means to cower and disenfranchise blacks, etc.

Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at January 22, 2013 08:42 AM (C8mVl)

101 The OotE shall be represented as two boobehs of cup size DD. Conspicuous gallantry shall be recognized with brass tassel devices.

Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 12:37 PM (GQ8sn)

http://tinyurl.com/a93z75n

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 08:43 AM (da5Wo)

102 Let the record show that at 1237 on January 22, 2013, I motion that the Society of Morons Who are Outwardly Lewd But Cherish Their Wedding VowsÂ®
be called to order.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2013 12:38 PM (sbV1u)

The Record so shows.

Mr. Bannion, you have the floor.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 08:44 AM (da5Wo)

103 Looks fine to me. Are you using Explorer or something? Posted by: t-bird

Look at the vid. Do you see 2 gigantic strips of black on either side of the image?

It's because the phone films in 16:9 format, aka widescreen.

Buying a phone that films 16:9 and holding it vertically is the equivalent of buying prescription eyeglasses and sticking one temple in your mouth.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 22, 2013 08:44 AM (xz0nG)

104 The OotE shall be represented as two boobehs of cup size DD. Conspicuous gallantry shall be recognized with brass tassel devices.

Let me translate into heraldic terms....

A shield Gules Per Bend Sinister, a Brassiere Or with tassels Gules representing gallantry. Sable Lower Bend with Ewok ascendent in Argent.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i] at January 22, 2013 08:44 AM (sbV1u)

105 Mr. Bannion, you have the floor. Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 12:44 PM (da5Wo)

I motion that Christina Hendricks be requested to provide modeling services so that we may retain an artist to design the crest for the Loyal and Honorary Order of the Ewok.

Payment to be negotiated, but in any event to be paid in Valu-Rite....in the absence of any personal security detail....at midnight....in an abandoned warehouse down by the river.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i] at January 22, 2013 08:46 AM (sbV1u)

106

61 -- The weakness of Scalia's argument is what drove Thomas to write his own opinion

=========

I had forgotten that.

Scalia's writing on that specific issue is frankly embarassing and kind of depressing.

Posted by: Jay at January 22, 2013 08:48 AM (3LaGb)

107 I motion that Christina Hendricks be requested to provide modeling services so that we may retain an artist to design the crest for the Loyal and Honorary Order of the Ewok.

Payment to be negotiated, but in any event to be paid in Valu-Rite....in the absence of any personal security detail....at midnight....in an abandoned warehouse down by the river.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2013 12:46 PM (sbV1u)

I hereby second the motion with a hearty HELL YES.

Anybody out there stupid enough to want to debate the motion?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 08:49 AM (da5Wo)

108 To quote Ruri Hoshino, "Baka"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2013 08:50 AM (PuTIo)

109 Well Andy, I guess your thread lasted for 25 min before being stepped on.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 08:52 AM (53z96)

110 No debate on the motion.

Mr. Bannion's motion has been made and seconded. Debate is closed. All in favor say AYE.

Aye.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 08:52 AM (da5Wo)

111 Aye

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i] at January 22, 2013 08:53 AM (sbV1u)

112 Aye.

Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 08:54 AM (GQ8sn)

113 Tried to watch video but it says it is not available.

Posted by: lions at January 22, 2013 08:54 AM (BMoCk)

114 All opposed?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 08:54 AM (da5Wo)

115 65 BS Inc.

Pretty much.

This is America you order me to the ovens you better check under your bed.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 08:55 AM (LRFds)

116 All opposed?

...

Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 08:55 AM (GQ8sn)

117 ............

The AYES have it. Motion passed.

Mr. Bannion? Your motion so you're in charge of....acquiring....the services of Ms. Hendricks.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 08:57 AM (da5Wo)

118

There was no mention of video cameras and Jumbotrons.

Why is that?

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at January 22, 2013 08:57 AM (8cJXl)

119 97 Torquewrench,

then what happens happens....

I never signed on to be killed by the Feds and they do not have the right to force me to town.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 08:57 AM (LRFds)

120 There was no mention of video cameras and Jumbotrons. Why is that? Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at January 22, 2013 12:57 PM (8cJXl)

Sure there was! She has a pair of Jumbotrons between her neck and navel.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i] at January 22, 2013 08:59 AM (sbV1u)

121 Sure there was! She has a pair of Jumbotrons between her neck and navel.

I would gaze at them all day long.

Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 09:02 AM (GQ8sn)

122 Ahhhh...the joys of Google. And unsecured cell phones.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 09:03 AM (da5Wo)

123 Posted by: Warthog at January 22, 2013 12:40 PM (WDySP) The villagers of Mozambique. Their "Civil War" was mostly about the communist government trying to force the people onto collective farms and the people doing everything they could to resist being moved. The fact that it wasn't simply a complete slaughter is amazing.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at January 22, 2013 09:04 AM (wbeNt)

124 Mr. Bannion? Your motion so you're in charge of....acquiring....the services of Ms. Hendricks.Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 12:57 PM (da5Wo)

You realize of course that this requires extensive....ummmm....sampling in order to establish a baseline and ascertain fair market value for said services, don't you?

BC, please hand me the Society's AMEX Black Card.

For Morons and Country! Forward!

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i] at January 22, 2013 09:10 AM (sbV1u)

125 You realize of course that this requires extensive....ummmm....sampling in order to establish a baseline and ascertain fair market value for said services, don't you?

Denied.

We're not interested in FMV. We're interested in Hendricks' boobs. Promise the lady whatever she wants.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 09:13 AM (da5Wo)

126 We're not interested in FMV. We're interested in Hendricks' boobs. Promise the lady whatever she wants Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 01:13 PM (da5Wo)

OK. But I call first!

You can shotgun.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i] at January 22, 2013 09:15 AM (sbV1u)

127 That video is from a pro second amendment rally at the Boston State House that I was at on Saturday. The press around here gave it a three second mention and downplayed the number of folks there, but my guess is that around 1000 or so folks showed up.

Posted by: Lurker DeLurked at January 22, 2013 09:15 AM (ePFyF)

128 We're not interested in FMV. We're interested in Hendricks' boobs. Promise the lady whatever she wants Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 01:13 PM (da5Wo)

OK. But I call first!

You can shotgun.

*Bannion and BCochran come to find EC already motorboatin' the hell out of Christina Hendricks*

Hey guys, what are you two doing here?

Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 09:17 AM (GQ8sn)

129 NSFW (sort of)

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Either it IS or it Isn't .... don't tease me like that.

Posted by: Paladin at January 22, 2013 09:30 AM (Id+W0)

130 It's about dictating. It's easy to dictate to slaves. It's very hard to dictate to armed citizens.

Posted by: EROWMER at January 22, 2013 10:17 AM (kxlCQ)

131 These damn ammo sites need a filter for "in stock" only. So annoying looking through a dozen different websites, each with a completely different layout and sorting through 12 pages of sold out/backordered ammo.

Seriously. Let us filter.

Posted by: ELKomandante at January 22, 2013 11:22 AM (HkEZz)

132 This is an interesting post, and as a case study, I'd like to opine on my view on the ability of the American people to overthrow the government if it turned tyrannical (because someone Sunday said it was now "mythological claptrap"), with the caveat this is not my field of specialty (land war), and with Clausewitz's caveat that you just can't wargame something without knowing the goals and the and starting conditions. Apologies for the length. Having said that-- Summary: Chances of pulling a 1775 successfully--Poor, and excellent, all at the same time. Meaning that establishing local control is probably easy, winning by main battle is dependent on starting conditions, winning by guerrilla action is probably within the realm of possibility, and creating a Northern Ireland scenario for at least a few years is almost trivial. Let's talk main battle versus guerrilla action, because that is what the Left is harping on as an impossibility that cannot be overcome. And I would say that to me the situation to me is reminiscent of the Revolutionary War, and esp. the Southern portion. A key question before going on further is, at the outset, could the police maintain control in the direction of the central authority? This is a genuine issue that would depend on conflict cause and location, as well as the conduct of the central government. The answer to me would vary by location, because presumably the police would reflect the sentiment of the local people to a certain extent, so police forces could expect to have defections, but no matter what, hopefully it can be seen that 10 officers showing up to arrest someone, and then find themselves suddenly faced with 100 locals opposed, are going to have force issues. Thus, at the outset, it may not be like arresting one man to tamp things down, which is kind of the assumption everybody is making. Most police forces simply do not have the numbers needed. I therfore posit that large areas may not be under the control of the central government right from the start, and others would be like Missouri in the Civil War, with fractricidal conflict going on. (I would note that in 1775 Royal control quickly collasped because the Royal governors simply did not have enough local boots on the ground to stop the Patriots--who immediately cowered the remaining loyalists once they took over.) So, having looked at a potential breakdown in the initial ability of the central government to retain/exercise authority in large areas, we move on to the conflict between the "people" and the central government. It can be presumed the central government would be able to hold onto substantial main battle forces, perhaps all of them, and that the situation had grown where police action in non-loyal areas required forces of squad, platoon or company-sized bodies to execute arrest warrants or maintain loyal control. This would be outside the resources of most police departments, basically anything outside the big cities, or those not using state troopers (and once again, assuming the state government is with the central, and that there are not substantial defections). The central government would thus have a problem. Well, the central government main body forces (i.e., "Army") could disperse to counter the local threats and augment/supplant the police, as we did in Iraq. And here is where the key branch point of the conflict lies--if the populist forces have a main battle force of their own (defectors from the central government, the State Guards, captured equipment from armories, etc.), then the central government forces are not going to be able to disperse, but they will have to remain concentrated. That then means large regions of the nation would then probably be lost to the central government, due to lack of forces, and since few of our metropolitan areas are self-sufficient within a, say, 30 mile radius, there would be a huge problem for those residents and the central government (I presume the large cities would either stay loyal, or be forced to). This scenario is then to me much like South Carolina after Greene moved south with his Army when Cornwallis went into Virginia. The British garrison forces had to concentrate to fight Green's men, and when they did the Loyalist militia proved inadequate in maintaining local control against local Patriot forces, and Royal control was lost. In our case study, I could see all central government control being lost once one was outside the inner suburbs, depending upon location. In this scenario, the central government would have to mobilize the loyal populace to get the garrison forces it needed. It would be a real war. In scenario 2, there are no main battle forces available to the insurrectionists, but they do have the weapons for initial effective guerrila resistance. In this case, we would have to ask if the existing Army is large enough to supply the same successful force ratio as proved key to the success of the Iraq surge. My guess would be no, it wouldn't, not even close. And when we then consider the spread-out nature of the nation, and the fact that critical infrastructures (oil pipelines, transmission lines, etc.) are located such that there is no way to protect them from an opposition proportionally numbering at least what we faced in Iraq (and America is not a desert, but has foilage, and thus some cover), then the central government once again has a problem, and would most likely once again have to mobilize the loyal population to get the boots on ground needed. It would once again be a real war. And this is where I think it would turn---a real war, with victory going to who cared more, and who could mobilize more men and equipment. History is full of both successes and failures of insurrections. I therefore think there is enough force in the hands of the people right now to start at least a guerrilla war that would take years to quell, if the resistance movement was a mass one (hence, the ability to resist for years would turn on cause). But the people fighting the central government on their own is not "mythological claptrap". Far from it. Victory would depend on many things, and would be by no means assured, but right now the people have what they need to get the first step going--Enough arms, widely enough dispersed, to allow the creation of immediately effective guerrila or light infantry (sans anything but small arms) bands, in a nation where the police and Armed Forces are currently not big enough to quell *immediately* a large-scale movement, even if just regionalized in nature, and in a nation where the infrastructure simply cannot be protected against company-sized attacks with present security forces, because too much of it crosses hundreds of miles, in a nation with foilage. And that would be the key. Faced with infrastructure issues causing problems for the non self-sufficient major metro areas, the central government might have to sue for peace. And hitting infrastructure is exactly what we did in Gulf War I.

Posted by: B. at January 22, 2013 11:25 AM (SRDTU)

133 This is why guns must be done away with. China is a state that knows the proper role of government- to guide and control people with economic and social justice, proper control, and ideological correctness. The Chinese people were wrong to rebel against such a just system, just as it was wrong for the reactionary white slaveowners of the Thirteen Colonies to rebel because they didn't want to pay that pittance of tax in exchange for their rightful government. If we WERE still a British colony we would have better tea.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at January 22, 2013 11:31 AM (jCQ+I)

134 Posted by: B. at January 22, 2013 03:25 PM (SRDTU) It's a deterrent. If you have to use it, you're already completely boned. There is no "victory" at that point, merely suffering. Which is why millions of new gun owners is a good thing - greater deterrent.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 22, 2013 12:19 PM (bxiXv)

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