April 17, 2013
— Ace

You.
Manchin:
“If you want to remember those 20 babies… please consider you should vote for this bill.”
I can conceive of a hypothetical bill which might protect some babies, which I do not think the Democratic caucus would support.
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Posted by: joeindc44 says 75 out of 77 scientists who answered my poll agree with this post at April 17, 2013 12:34 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 17, 2013 12:35 PM (EDjKF)
Posted by: joeindc44 says 75 out of 77 scientists who answered my poll agree with this post at April 17, 2013 12:35 PM (QxSug)
Posted by Ace at 04:33 PM Comments
Zing! * thumbs up *
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 17, 2013 12:36 PM (UypUQ)
Posted by: Thorvald at April 17, 2013 12:37 PM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 17, 2013 12:37 PM (2up3Q)
Posted by: fluffy at April 17, 2013 12:37 PM (IHJWO)
Posted by: cranky-d at April 17, 2013 12:37 PM (2McOz)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at April 17, 2013 12:37 PM (71LDo)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 17, 2013 12:37 PM (2up3Q)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at April 17, 2013 12:37 PM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Crashpanic at April 17, 2013 12:38 PM (zufx8)
Posted by: Extremely grumpy momma bear at April 17, 2013 12:38 PM (RDaRj)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 17, 2013 12:38 PM (6zgse)
I'm pretty sure he remembers those babies, every time he masturbates.
Posted by: Heralder at April 17, 2013 12:38 PM (+xmn4)
"This fight will never, ever end.
Ever."
No, it won't.
It's getting to be time to part ways.
The Red States and the Red Counties of the Blue States need to start heading out on their own.
The great immigration experiment of the late 19th Century and the early 20th Century has proven to be a catastrophic failure, and has resulted in the death of what had been the Republic.
It's time to start salvaging the pieces which are still salvageable.
Posted by: Zombie Shane at April 17, 2013 12:38 PM (dScAL)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 12:38 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: The Q at April 17, 2013 12:39 PM (69UnD)
Perhaps Senator Manchin would like to cast a vote on a bill which remembers all of the babies who were killed in Kermit Gosnell's clinic. I'm pretty sure there were more than 20.
No?
Then STFU.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at April 17, 2013 12:39 PM (ADnWI)
Am I wrong or can Reid reintroduce this POS because fuck you?
Posted by: Jaws at April 17, 2013 12:39 PM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Ben at April 17, 2013 12:39 PM (C2Y4l)
A bill that's just a blank sheet with an amendment plopped onto it always has a life of its own. Reid is a Prick BTW.
Posted by: dfbaskwill at April 17, 2013 12:39 PM (71LDo)
Posted by: Jay in PA at April 17, 2013 12:39 PM (WSgyE)
Posted by: Extremely grumpy momma bear at April 17, 2013 12:39 PM (RDaRj)
Toolset.
Posted by: Marcus at April 17, 2013 12:40 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Jose Wales at April 17, 2013 12:40 PM (lPbS1)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 12:40 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: CUS at April 17, 2013 12:40 PM (84pE9)
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at April 17, 2013 12:40 PM (epxV4)
Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at April 17, 2013 12:41 PM (CfjR/)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 12:41 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at April 17, 2013 12:41 PM (PH+2B)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 17, 2013 12:41 PM (+x8q5)
Every first grader I've ever met would kick Manchin in the shins for calling them "babies."
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 17, 2013 12:41 PM (/kI1Q)
My heritage has 0 link to the Caucuses or Asia (well. 5 generations back, at least). I'm German, Italian, Dutch and Apache. I'm white. White as the driven snow.
But I'm not from the freaking Caucus mountain region! Jackasses!
/rant off
Posted by: tangonine at April 17, 2013 12:41 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 17, 2013 12:41 PM (6zgse)
Posted by: Liberty Lover at April 17, 2013 12:42 PM (encrR)
The "Creating Trust Fund Babies Bill"?
Posted by: Marcus at April 17, 2013 12:42 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: The Q at April 17, 2013 12:42 PM (69UnD)
@5 "Four Republicans voted “yes”: Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Pat Toomey (R-Pa.), Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Mark Kirk (R-Ill.)."
I'm sorry, but thank fucking God that McCain wasn't elected. Imagine all the horseshit he would have been happy to Maverickally Bi-Partisan down our throats.
Posted by: ALittleEnglish at April 17, 2013 12:42 PM (lhX9P)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2013 12:42 PM (GFM2b)
Posted by: alexthechick at April 17, 2013 12:42 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 12:43 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 12:43 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 17, 2013 12:43 PM (+x8q5)
Posted by: toby928© of the sticky socks at April 17, 2013 12:43 PM (QupBk)
A bill to protect babies born alive after a botched abortion though - that's a bridge too far.
Posted by: Barack Obama at April 17, 2013 12:43 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 17, 2013 12:43 PM (piMMO)
It is STILL an un-fact to half the country that the other half of the country exists...and does not like them.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 17, 2013 12:43 PM (EDjKF)
Posted by: Liberty Lover at April 17, 2013 12:43 PM (encrR)
Posted by: Heralder at April 17, 2013 12:44 PM (+xmn4)
Posted by: Roy at April 17, 2013 12:44 PM (VndSC)
Hilarious.
Democrats would prop up a dead man in a chair to get a vote. It's like "Weekend at Frank's" or something.
Posted by: Marcus at April 17, 2013 12:44 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 12:44 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 17, 2013 12:44 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: David Sirota at April 17, 2013 12:44 PM (R18D0)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 12:44 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Strife at April 17, 2013 04:41 PM (ntNJz)
The Illuminati. Or groans of pleasure, in MK's case.
Posted by: joncelli at April 17, 2013 12:44 PM (RD7QR)
<i>Some of my ancestors came here during that period and LOVED this country and its institutions. Don't blame good people seeking a better life AS AMERICANS for the failings of a few commie zealots and their blue-blooded counterparts from right here. </i>
But your ancestors were too few and too meek.
American ideals were simply overwhelmed by the importation of too many people who came here [and who continue to come here] with the explicit purpose of destroying this nation.
It's time to cut our losses and to salvage what can be salvaged.
Posted by: Zombie Shane at April 17, 2013 12:44 PM (dScAL)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 12:45 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: Jean at April 17, 2013 12:45 PM (DcbLC)
Posted by: Captain Hate at April 17, 2013 12:45 PM (HL/Lt)
Posted by: alexthechick at April 17, 2013 04:42 PM (VtjlW)
That's just keeping Gosnell in business...
Posted by: Barack Obama at April 17, 2013 12:45 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: maddogg at April 17, 2013 12:45 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 17, 2013 12:45 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: Truman North at April 17, 2013 12:45 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: ChrisyBlinky,Sarcastic and Cynical Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 17, 2013 12:46 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Marcus at April 17, 2013 12:46 PM (GGCsk)
Any bill with hyphenated Senators' names attached to it should fail miserably. They always suck.
Right, McCain, Feingold, Frank, Dodd, Tweedle-Dee, Tweedle-Dum???
Posted by: Roy at April 17, 2013 12:46 PM (VndSC)
Max Baucus has today shocked his fellow democrats by admitting that the ACA (of which he is an important author) is a "train wreck".
I read it on Yahoo.
Posted by: navybrat at April 17, 2013 12:46 PM (l7mJv)
Posted by: alexthechick at April 17, 2013 12:46 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 17, 2013 12:46 PM (2up3Q)
Right, McCain, Feingold, Frank, Dodd, Tweedle-Dee, Tweedle-Dum???
Posted by: Roy at April 17, 2013 04:46 PM (VndSC)
Any bill from the Senate will most likely suck
Posted by: Red Shirt at April 17, 2013 12:47 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at April 17, 2013 12:47 PM (CfjR/)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 12:47 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: Marcus at April 17, 2013 12:47 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Jay in PA at April 17, 2013 12:48 PM (WSgyE)
I called my six year old niece "sweetie" one time and I guess she heard "baby". She was pretty pissed. "I'm not a baby!" *stomp*stomp*stomp*
Posted by: bonhomme at April 17, 2013 12:48 PM (45N4D)
So has Harrison Ford caught the one armed man?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 12:48 PM (OCvUs)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 17, 2013 12:48 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: alexthechick at April 17, 2013 12:48 PM (VtjlW)
Senator Pat Toomey þ@SenToomey 2m
I did what I thought was the right thing for our country.
He resigned?
Posted by: Roy at April 17, 2013 12:48 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Blacksheep at April 17, 2013 12:48 PM (8/DeP)
Posted by: Marcus at April 17, 2013 12:48 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 17, 2013 12:49 PM (+x8q5)
Posted by: Aruges at April 17, 2013 12:49 PM (MDchW)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 17, 2013 04:46 PM (2up3Q)
It has never been scientifically proven that constant slapping of balls against the chin causes brain injury.
Posted by: Pat Toomey at April 17, 2013 12:49 PM (ggRof)
Posted by: Whatev at April 17, 2013 12:49 PM (A7Wh1)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 12:49 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 17, 2013 12:49 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 12:49 PM (OCvUs)
Somebody got kicked out of the apartment!
Posted by: The Q at April 17, 2013 04:39 PM (69UnD)
Think South Carolina might poll a little bit different on gun control than some other places?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 17, 2013 12:49 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Brother Cavil's Ampersand Emporium at April 17, 2013 12:50 PM (fMiHM)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 12:50 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: zsasz at April 17, 2013 12:50 PM (MMC8r)
I did what I thought was the right thing for our country. <
I always thought the Japanese tradition of hari kari after they had lost honor was an interesting sociological trait.
Posted by: Marcus at April 17, 2013 12:50 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 17, 2013 12:50 PM (+x8q5)
But.. I think Monday's terrorist attacks in Boston have made an extremely important point that is applicable to gun control. And that is: If someone wants to kill a bunch of people, he will do it no matter what the "law" says about it.
Parading a bunch of grieving parents around has seemed to work quite well up til now - but apparently not well enough. And that's good. Because, as much as I feel sorry for those parents, someone needs to say it: background checks wouldn't have prevented their kid's deaths. The only prevention may have been the very remote possibility that members of that community would have recognized Lanza's instability. The federal government couldn't have helped them.
and one more thing: Fuck you Democrats who have no shame leading these people around Washington D.C.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 17, 2013 12:50 PM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 12:50 PM (OCvUs)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 12:50 PM (tqLft)
The rest of these amendments will all fail, it's just a dog and pony show now.
Posted by: lowandslow at April 17, 2013 12:51 PM (Fz2C7)
Posted by: The Q at April 17, 2013 12:51 PM (69UnD)
I did what I thought was the right thing for our country.
Well that makes sense, in the context of imbecile thought.
Posted by: maddogg at April 17, 2013 12:51 PM (OlN4e)
You do not have to go that far back. Anyone who thinks that we are dealing with intellectually gifted people in our "elite"--I will refer you to Obamacare, the Department of Homeland Security and, my personal favorite, the nuclear freeze movement of the 1980s as examples of what our betters come up with.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 17, 2013 12:51 PM (EDjKF)
Every post involving congress in action should be accompanied by theme music from "Gremlins".
http://tinyurl.com/2e6poc9
Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 17, 2013 12:51 PM (026j9)
No, but that's a drone strike
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 17, 2013 12:51 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: alexthechick at April 17, 2013 12:52 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: jb at April 17, 2013 12:52 PM (9Y1Gl)
Posted by: T. at April 17, 2013 12:52 PM (8vjft)
Posted by: Prescient11 at April 17, 2013 12:52 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 17, 2013 12:52 PM (+x8q5)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 12:52 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 12:53 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: Zombie Shane at April 17, 2013 04:38 PM (dScAL)
Yeah, the percentage of the (free) population that was foreign-born went all the way from 13.1% in 1860 to 13.0% in 1920! What a catastrophic experiment!
Posted by: DKCZ at April 17, 2013 12:53 PM (9/bcB)
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 17, 2013 12:53 PM (uhftQ)
Since I picked up a practically new Vince Flynn book at Goodwill yesterday for $2, this is apropos.
Towards the end on one of his books, Mitch Rapp rips some Congresscritter a new one for her alleged "caring" about some imagined "right to life" for a suspected terrorist.
MR got her on her pro-abortion record.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 17, 2013 12:53 PM (+z4pE)
The rest of these amendments will all fail, it's just a dog and pony show now.
Posted by: lowandslow at April 17, 2013 04:51 PM (Fz2C7)
So business as usual in the senate?
Posted by: Red Shirt at April 17, 2013 12:53 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: Rachel Maddow at April 17, 2013 12:53 PM (tukUh)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 12:53 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 12:53 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 17, 2013 12:54 PM (+x8q5)
Posted by: The Q at April 17, 2013 12:54 PM (69UnD)
Posted by: USA at April 17, 2013 04:51 PM (RIg+t)
That is a lie! Gazing upon me in person will turn you to stone.
Posted by: David Sirota at April 17, 2013 12:54 PM (ggRof)
Ouch.
That thing has now shriveled up into its hidey hole and won't be out until next Spring.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 17, 2013 12:54 PM (sbV1u)
Y'all know this issue is nowhere near dead. Next up -- EOs.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 17, 2013 12:54 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 12:54 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 17, 2013 12:54 PM (unyqi)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 12:54 PM (OCvUs)
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at April 17, 2013 12:55 PM (DLu2s)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at April 17, 2013 12:55 PM (jsWA8)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2013 12:55 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 12:55 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Brother Cavil's Ampersand Emporium at April 17, 2013 12:55 PM (fMiHM)
Posted by: alexthechick at April 17, 2013 12:55 PM (VtjlW)
Do they sell Industrial Strength Cheerleader?
You might need it.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 17, 2013 12:56 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: David "Karate Video is porn to me" Sirota at April 17, 2013 12:56 PM (leNBy)
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 17, 2013 12:56 PM (eyJh9)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2013 12:56 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: The Q at April 17, 2013 12:56 PM (69UnD)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 17, 2013 12:56 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 12:56 PM (OCvUs)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 17, 2013 12:56 PM (sBUAE)
Posted by: Toure' at April 17, 2013 12:56 PM (Uga7K)
Posted by: El Kabong at April 17, 2013 12:56 PM (3oa/l)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 12:56 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 17, 2013 12:56 PM (+x8q5)
Will Saletan @saletan
Congratulations, felons! The Senate has upheld your right to buy guns without a background check. Send your donations to @NRA
Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 17, 2013 12:57 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: YTown Guy at April 17, 2013 12:57 PM (das+y)
Video or it didn't happen.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 17, 2013 12:57 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2013 12:57 PM (jE38p)
Right.
Learn some history before you spout this drivel.
The 19th century immigration was responsible for America becoming a world power.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 17, 2013 12:57 PM (/WLC3)
Posted by: waldo at April 17, 2013 12:58 PM (y2XjR)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 12:58 PM (OCvUs)
Will Saletan
@saletan
Congratulations, felons! The Senate has upheld your right to buy guns without a background check. Send your donations to @NRA
Already have, douche. BAM!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2013 12:58 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 12:58 PM (GEICT)
"C'mon, boys! There's something still operating productively in this country! And it's our mission to stop it right now!"
"Yes, daddy."
"Yes, daddy."
"Yes, daddy."
"Yes, daddy."
"Yes, daddy."
"Great! Somebody call my other son that doesn't work on my staff and get him to agree, too!"
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at April 17, 2013 12:59 PM (DLu2s)
Posted by: Ragamuffin at April 17, 2013 12:59 PM (fzFF6)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2013 12:59 PM (jE38p)
Was reading speculation that Bloomberg had threatened to use his new anti-gun SuperPac against Toomey in 2016.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at April 17, 2013 12:59 PM (YmPwQ)
Will Saletan
@saletan
Congratulations, felons! The Senate has upheld your right to buy guns without a background check. Send your donations to @NRA
Posted by: Tami
I've been seeing this angle in the gun debate. Where does that even come from?
Posted by: Dang at April 17, 2013 12:59 PM (R18D0)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 12:59 PM (OCvUs)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 12:59 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 12:59 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 17, 2013 12:59 PM (6zgse)
Posted by: Aviator at April 17, 2013 01:00 PM (F32RS)
Posted by: Brother Cavil's Ampersand Emporium at April 17, 2013 01:00 PM (fMiHM)
Posted by: El Kabong at April 17, 2013 01:00 PM (3oa/l)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 17, 2013 01:00 PM (l3vZN)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 01:00 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 01:01 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 17, 2013 01:01 PM (+x8q5)
American ideals were simply overwhelmed by the importation of too many people who came here [and who continue to come here]with the explicit purpose of destroying this nation.
***
Thank Ted Fucking Kennedy - and the Democrat Party - and the Immigration Reform Act for that.
Posted by: LGoPs at April 17, 2013 01:01 PM (4x8W0)
(Primps hair, checks lip gloss, sashays out of room. )
Posted by: David Sirota at April 17, 2013 01:01 PM (DLu2s)
Posted by: mare at April 17, 2013 01:01 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Lizzy at April 17, 2013 01:01 PM (KqmXZ)
Posted by: Whatev at April 17, 2013 01:01 PM (A7Wh1)
Posted by: No, I'm not Gay, K? (Uga7K)
***
You gay 7000?
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 17, 2013 01:02 PM (uhftQ)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 17, 2013 01:02 PM (l3vZN)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 01:02 PM (OCvUs)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 17, 2013 01:02 PM (+x8q5)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 01:02 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 01:02 PM (tqLft)
Are there any actual conservatives in PA who we can primary Arlen Toomey with?
Posted by: Albie Damned at April 17, 2013 01:02 PM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: Dang at April 17, 2013 04:59 PM (R18D0)
Their ass?
Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 17, 2013 01:02 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 17, 2013 01:03 PM (/kI1Q)
No, John McCain needs to do what he's asking for - bomb Syria.
Send him up in a MIG we stole from the Russians and have him do "the danged thing" himself.
***
All McCain would manage to accomplish is to get shot down. Again.
Posted by: LGoPs at April 17, 2013 01:03 PM (4x8W0)
Posted by: maddogg at April 17, 2013 01:03 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 17, 2013 01:03 PM (sBUAE)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 17, 2013 01:04 PM (ZshNr)
Maybe they were trying to convince us rubes of how much we need more gun control by making the faces of the bill 2 senators from very pro 2A states.
If so, apparently the connection between those who want the Second Amendment because they don't trust the government as a whole and those who don't trust the trust their elected leaders not to screw them over escaped the planners.
Posted by: Grey Fox at April 17, 2013 01:04 PM (mp+4g)
Posted by: maddogg at April 17, 2013 01:04 PM (OlN4e)
"Um, no. They were weakened by a few in the media and academia that took hold in the late 60's and early 70's. The immigrants who came here helped build this country into a superpower and whose sons saved the world in 2 world wars. Stop denigrating legal immigrants who come here by and large to be Americans and love this country. Your words are bigoted and plain wrong in the main."
The immigrants who finally seized control of "the media and academia... in the late 60's and early 70's..." came here at the end of the 19th Century and the beginning of the 20th Century.
And they came here with the express purpose of destroying not only America, but all of Western Civilization.
Posted by: Zombie Shane at April 17, 2013 01:04 PM (dScAL)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 01:04 PM (GEICT)
And punching the softest pillow in his apartment. Over by the Nagel print.
Posted by: Dang at April 17, 2013 01:04 PM (R18D0)
Posted by: El Kabong at April 17, 2013 01:04 PM (3oa/l)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 17, 2013 01:04 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: soothsayer at April 17, 2013 01:04 PM (jlW3q)
"Blah blah...me...Newtown...blah blah...I...gun lobby...blah blah...mine...skeet shooting...blah blah...my daughters...no really...blah blah...protect children...I...blah blah...Bin Laden...blah blah...me...Joe Biden...blah blah...I...high speed rail...blah blah...mine...bipartisan...blah blah...40%...blah blah...Gabby Giffords...blah blah...Bin Laden...blah blah...recovery...blah blah...John Wayne...blah blah...I..."
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 17, 2013 01:05 PM (EDjKF)
Posted by: the bearded UNIX god at April 17, 2013 01:05 PM (LyF0H)
Surprise. Trafficking amdt fails. Vote was 58-42. But needed 60. Nothing passing on guns so far.
Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 17, 2013 01:05 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 01:05 PM (OCvUs)
"I think Zombie Shane is punk-ass nazi or a DU troll, thinking that we are like-minded. "
I believe they call that "Godwin's Law", Mr Sefton.
You lose.
Posted by: Zombie Shane at April 17, 2013 01:06 PM (dScAL)
Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 17, 2013 01:06 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 01:06 PM (GEICT)
Early childhood head trauma?
Posted by: toby928© of the sticky socks at April 17, 2013 01:06 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Jay in PA at April 17, 2013 01:06 PM (WSgyE)
Posted by: Croaker at April 17, 2013 01:06 PM (leNBy)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2013 01:06 PM (BVq/X)
Posted by: zsasz at April 17, 2013 01:07 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Jay in PA at April 17, 2013 01:07 PM (WSgyE)
Hey buddy, aren't you glad you pissed away your Senate career for a do-nothing sop to the far-left?
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 17, 2013 01:07 PM (VjL9S)
And they came here with the express purpose of destroying not only America, but all of Western Civilization.
Posted by: Zombie Shane at April 17, 2013 05:04 PM (dScAL)
Would you mind telling us which individuals came to the United States before the implementation of the 1924 Immigration Act and then later seized control in the 1960s and '70s?
Posted by: DKCZ at April 17, 2013 01:07 PM (9/bcB)
Posted by: lowandslow at April 17, 2013 01:07 PM (Fz2C7)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 17, 2013 01:07 PM (+x8q5)
I believe they call that "Godwin's Law", Mr Sefton.
You lose.
Actually, Godwin's Rule never says that invoking Nazis indicates a loss.
Posted by: Grey Fox at April 17, 2013 01:07 PM (mp+4g)
Posted by: zsasz at April 17, 2013 01:08 PM (MMC8r)
FBI Press Conference At Boston Courthouse Cancelled Due To Bomb Threat.
Posted by: Ernst Hollings at April 17, 2013 01:08 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: the bearded UNIX god at April 17, 2013 01:08 PM (LyF0H)
Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at April 17, 2013 01:08 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at April 17, 2013 01:09 PM (QlTaC)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 17, 2013 01:09 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Blacksheep at April 17, 2013 01:09 PM (8/DeP)
Posted by: the bearded UNIX god at April 17, 2013 01:09 PM (LyF0H)
Posted by: Aviator at April 17, 2013 01:09 PM (F32RS)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 01:09 PM (tqLft)
Is it a requirement that the Senators from Arizona have their balls removed with a bessie-maker when they move from the House to the Senate?
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge
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Flake is pandering to hispanics these days. Saw a poll where hispanics overwhelmingly supported gun control. They badly want them to join the Mormon faith, hence his other love- amnesty.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 17, 2013 01:09 PM (uhftQ)
Posted by: mare at April 17, 2013 01:10 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: zsasz at April 17, 2013 05:08 PM (MMC8r)
-
He breaks bricks with his Sheng Fu
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 17, 2013 01:10 PM (sBUAE)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 01:10 PM (OCvUs)
Quit digging, you can argue about the 1965 immigration act accelerating the decline of the nation but your argument is freak'n ridiculous.
Posted by: lowandslow at April 17, 2013 01:10 PM (Fz2C7)
Posted by: Ragamuffin at April 17, 2013 01:10 PM (fzFF6)
Posted by: soothsayer at April 17, 2013 01:11 PM (Fely/)
It's code.
Insert "Jews," and it will all make sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 17, 2013 01:11 PM (/WLC3)
BREAKING: David Sirota to be featured as unlockable character in the next "Punch-Out" game.
That's weird. I heard he was going to play Glass Joe in the "Punch-Out" movie.
Posted by: Armando at April 17, 2013 01:11 PM (5iuEW)
Posted by: jakeman at April 17, 2013 01:11 PM (96M6e)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon is a solid man at April 17, 2013 01:11 PM (pxDth)
I would presume that some EO's are forthcoming. Representative Democracy is just too slow for the SCoaMF.
Posted by: toby928© of the sticky socks at April 17, 2013 01:11 PM (evdj2)
Insert "Jews," and it will all make sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 17, 2013 05:11 PM (/WLC3)
I know; I was trying to get him to be more explicit.
Posted by: DKCZ at April 17, 2013 01:11 PM (9/bcB)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 01:12 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: mare at April 17, 2013 01:12 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: big and small at April 17, 2013 01:12 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 01:12 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: the bearded UNIX god at April 17, 2013 01:13 PM (LyF0H)
Posted by: alexthechick at April 17, 2013 01:13 PM (VtjlW)
He looks like he got stung 100 times by bees.
He looks like a muppet.
Posted by: soothsayer at April 17, 2013 05:11 PM (Fely/)
We both use the same illegal narcotics, thank you very much.
Posted by: Ashley Judd at April 17, 2013 01:13 PM (ggRof)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 17, 2013 01:13 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 01:13 PM (OCvUs)
Posted by: toby928© of the sticky socks at April 17, 2013 01:13 PM (evdj2)
And in idiomatic English:
"Fuck off and die."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 17, 2013 01:13 PM (/WLC3)
Bam!!
Posted by: Cory C at April 17, 2013 01:13 PM (HuADZ)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2013 01:14 PM (BVq/X)
Yeah...rootin' tootin' raspberry red don't play well in PA. Even Santorum had to tilt left and pro-union to have a shot there. Posted by: El Kabong at April 17, 2013 05:04 PM
Toomey has been a pain in the a$$. I never really thought of him as a true Conservative, more of a which way the wind blows kind of jerk-off. That, and he looks like a ventriloquist's dummy. Actually he looks like a cross between Santorum and Kucinich.
There are a few Conservatives in PA,like Mike Kelly in the House...but Tommey was never one of them.
Posted by: Deanna at April 17, 2013 01:14 PM (d31eB)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 01:14 PM (OCvUs)
Posted by: Hair plugs Joe at April 17, 2013 01:14 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 17, 2013 01:15 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at April 17, 2013 01:15 PM (QlTaC)
Posted by: the bearded UNIX god at April 17, 2013 01:15 PM (LyF0H)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 01:15 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 17, 2013 01:15 PM (+x8q5)
Posted by: Baldy at April 17, 2013 01:15 PM (opS9C)
Posted by: lowandslow at April 17, 2013 01:16 PM (Fz2C7)
Today, the House passed H.R. 1120, the Preventing Greater Uncertainty in Labor-Management Relations Act, in a 219 to 209 vote, preventing the NLRB from issuing additional rules until it's status has been resolved.
Posted by: The "artist" unambiguously known as "The Artist former known as Prince" at April 17, 2013 01:16 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: alexthechick at April 17, 2013 01:16 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian fka irishacres at April 17, 2013 01:16 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: DKCZ at April 17, 2013 05:11 PM (9/bcB)
I figured that you were baiting him.
I can't wait for his response.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 17, 2013 01:16 PM (/WLC3)
ot cute
worried about hayden panetteire
Posted by: big and small at April 17, 2013 05:12 PM (MhA4j)
You can see her nipple shield.
I hope he doesn't get her pregnant. If the baby is big like him Hayden will split in half.
Posted by: Long Island at April 17, 2013 01:17 PM (hl8SI)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 17, 2013 01:17 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 17, 2013 05:07 PM (+x8q5)
Wait! I just realized something: you know how Glass Joe had a 1-99 record? Sirota was Glass Joe's one and only win!
<slinks guiltily back to nerdcave>
Posted by: Armando at April 17, 2013 01:17 PM (5iuEW)
Posted by: baldilocks at April 17, 2013 01:17 PM (Su0W2)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 01:17 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 01:17 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at April 17, 2013 01:18 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 17, 2013 01:18 PM (oBhEo)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 01:18 PM (tqLft)
Just voted to guarantee the rights of gun owners to carry concealed weapons across state lines & within other states that have conceal-carry
--
Miss Lindsey is up for reelection next year.
Posted by: Lady in Black at April 17, 2013 01:19 PM (3V9LU)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 17, 2013 01:19 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 01:19 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: baldilocks at April 17, 2013 01:19 PM (Su0W2)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2013 01:19 PM (BVq/X)
Posted by: Buzzion at April 17, 2013 01:19 PM (aE3I5)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 17, 2013 01:20 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 17, 2013 01:20 PM (XYSwB)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2013 05:19 PM (BVq/X)
I wouldn't be surprised either.....
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at April 17, 2013 01:20 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: H.R. Pufnstuf at April 17, 2013 01:20 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Paladin at April 17, 2013 01:20 PM (lduvP)
Posted by: JDP at April 17, 2013 05:09 PM (60GaT)
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Or announce an executive order.
Posted by: Soona at April 17, 2013 01:20 PM (XbwR1)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at April 17, 2013 01:20 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon is a solid man at April 17, 2013 01:20 PM (pxDth)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 17, 2013 01:20 PM (+x8q5)
Remember how the lefty pundits and press rushed out to call @progressky a rogue clown outfit?
Wonder why? Well, now you don't have to.
There ain't any coincidences
Posted by: Albie Damned at April 17, 2013 01:21 PM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 01:21 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Ashley Judd at April 17, 2013 01:21 PM (F32RS)
No, he just want's everyone to know he voted for it.
That'd be like me saying I called Christina Hendricks. She didn't answer and nothing of substance actually happened.
But I called!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 17, 2013 01:21 PM (+z4pE)
Posted by: 80sBaby at April 17, 2013 01:21 PM (YjDyJ)
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Any bets on the storyline he's gonna go with?
Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 17, 2013 01:21 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Baldy
So, SCOAMF is going to stand on some more graves, is he? Yet he couldn't spare anyone to represent the country at the funeral of a former head of state.
I'll join the cynicism party.
Posted by: Retread at April 17, 2013 01:22 PM (zxitI)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 17, 2013 01:22 PM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 01:22 PM (OCvUs)
Toomey needs a bunch of calls and faxes and letters politely reminding him of the ignominious end to the career of his predecessor Arlen Specter.
Yes, Pat, you too can face a primary challenger.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 17, 2013 01:22 PM (gqT4g)
Let's tear this Toomey apart and use it as practice for what we're going to do to destroy Rubio.
I'm glad all that Palin hating hasn't gone to waste.
We're the GOP and we're smart. Not like people say, we're really smart.
Posted by: jwest at April 17, 2013 01:22 PM (u2a4R)
I understand Begich, Heitkamp, etc issues as they either are up for re-election in pro-gun states or are from strongly pro-gun ones but in general it seems like the most restrictive part of the bill would be to impose criminal background checks at gun shows and through internet sales - which doesn't seem that ridiculous even in the context of ensuring gun rights are protected. If such checks are in place for most gun sales it seems to make sense to have them included during sales through other mediums. Is it the slippery slope concerns that make people opposed to it? Or is it the fees associated w/the background checks? (125 dollars is certainly a significant tax - though i suppose that wouldn't be a sticking point on such an amendment)
Note I'm not talking about the moronic arguments about Newtown/protecting babies made by some of the amendment's supporters - this type of bill and likely any that even democrats would propose would have had no effect in reducing the likelihood of such tragedies.
Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE at April 17, 2013 01:22 PM (PeB4U)
The vast majority of the old immigrants were eager to be patriotic Americans. At least half of the new ones, especially the illegals, are not.
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THIS x 1000. There is a huge distinction between late 19th/early 20th century immigrants and those illegals flooding the country today.
Posted by: Lady in Black at April 17, 2013 01:23 PM (3V9LU)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 17, 2013 01:24 PM (+x8q5)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 05:17 PM (tqLft)
https://twitter.com/AceofSpadesHQ
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 17, 2013 01:24 PM (/WLC3)
Posted by: zsasz at April 17, 2013 01:24 PM (MMC8r)
5:16PM: The Cornyn Amendment on National Reciprocity fails 57-43.
CRAP! This would have been great.
Posted by: harleycowboy at April 17, 2013 01:24 PM (yfeAd)
Hmmmm....
@progressky leader at WH days before anti-McConnell campaign began]
http://tinyurl.com/cj9mn8z
Posted by: Albie Damned at April 17, 2013 01:25 PM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 01:25 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 01:25 PM (GEICT)
Dancing Queen
http://youtu.be/EXZxc8GSXnI
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 01:25 PM (OCvUs)
Posted by: Gman at April 17, 2013 01:26 PM (UkbKS)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 17, 2013 04:38 PM (6zgse)
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That's why the SuperBowl featured the Newtown survivors, not the moms and surviving families of children gunned down in the inner city. You see, the donk machine needs the votes of the suburban soccer mommies. They already have the urban vote locked down.
Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2013 01:26 PM (jm/9g)
"I just see a huge train wreck coming down," he told Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Syphilis at a Wednesday hearing. "You and I have discussed this many times, and I don't see any results yet."
Posted by: Randolf Scott at April 17, 2013 01:26 PM (e8kgV)
Obama to make 5:30 pm et statement on guns.
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"Any bets on the storyline he's gonna go with?"
It'll involve emotional pornography for the LIVs and heaping helpings of scorn on the obstructionist, murderous Republicans. It will conveniently leave out the Donks who voted no, of course.
The over/under on the word "I" is set at 42.
For the children.
Posted by: Jaws at April 17, 2013 01:26 PM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 17, 2013 01:26 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 01:26 PM (tqLft)
@jamiedupree Senate now voting on Feinstein amendment that would ban assault weapons
Posted by: 80sBaby at April 17, 2013 01:26 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at April 17, 2013 01:26 PM (feFL6)
5:20PM: Feinstein is dismayed, which means I’m a happy camper. “Easy to shoot big clips!” “Large velocity guns.” She’s not making any sense at all. “This is a majority body!” We’ll see if she even cracks a majority. Oh man, she’s really upset. Good!
What the hell is a "large velocity gun"?
Posted by: harleycowboy at April 17, 2013 01:27 PM (yfeAd)
It really isn't any better on either one of them.
Posted by: pep at April 17, 2013 01:27 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 01:27 PM (OCvUs)
Posted by: Speedy Gonzales at April 17, 2013 01:27 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 01:28 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: i'd Rather Be Surfin at April 17, 2013 01:28 PM (g5wi5)
Mainly because it doesn't do anything in preventing bad guys with guns from doing harm. Out of all the amendments this was designed to be the weakest sauce but still look like the Senate did something. In the end it was just more bureaucracy and harassment for law abiding citizens.
Posted by: lowandslow at April 17, 2013 01:28 PM (Fz2C7)
What's Toomey have to show for this? Good luck with fundraising from here on out, I'm sure those gun grabbing liberals that live in the beltway will be lining up to send you checks for your next election.
And fuck John McCain. He truly is a piece of shit.
Posted by: McAdams at April 17, 2013 01:28 PM (CpS2h)
You mean, aside from the part of the amendment that allowed any government agency NOT controlled by the AG to start a registry? Or how about the part of the amendment that allowed your doctor to put you on the "nope, too nutz to own a gun" list without your knowledge and with no reason? Either of those are incredibly dangerous and bad.
Posted by: Gman at April 17, 2013 01:28 PM (UkbKS)
Why should a law abiding citizen such as myself have to be fingerprinted to make a purchase of a constitutionally protected item?
Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 17, 2013 01:28 PM (P6QsQ)
I'm glad all that Palin hating hasn't gone to waste.
We're the GOP and we're smart. Not like people say, we're really smart.
Posted by: jwest
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Yeah, why should we go after someone who violated a core principle of ours. Idiot.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 17, 2013 01:28 PM (uhftQ)
Posted by: the bearded UNIX god at April 17, 2013 01:28 PM (LyF0H)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 01:29 PM (tqLft)
Posted by: Speedy Gonzales at April 17, 2013 01:29 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon is a solid man at April 17, 2013 01:29 PM (pxDth)
Posted by: jakeman at April 17, 2013 01:29 PM (96M6e)
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Not sure where you got this info or if I'm misreading it but....there are background checks at gun shows and an internet sale of a gun must be shipped to a FFL dealer where a background check is run when the purchaser picks up the gun.
Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 17, 2013 01:29 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: the bearded UNIX god at April 17, 2013 01:29 PM (LyF0H)
Posted by: Regular Moron at April 17, 2013 05:26 PM (feFL6)
Thanks! That may help my diet (as ChristyB sits swigging Junipero gin over ice and snarfing down cheese). Somehow a Folsom Street earthquake would not cause me a lot of grief.
"Spank my butt and call me Sally" may have special anthropological meaning here (note to self for WaPo in Mist study).
Posted by: ChrisyBlinky,Sarcastic and Cynical Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 17, 2013 01:29 PM (baL2B)
"The Cornyn Amendment on National Reciprocity fails 57-43.
CRAP! This would have been great."
In an ideal world, sure. But "ideal" we ain't lately.
Whatever BS "right" the Feds generously decide to grant us could be taken away in spades tomorrow. I'd just assume keep CC as diffused as possible throughout the states at this point.
Posted by: Jaws at April 17, 2013 01:29 PM (4I3Uo)
So if they don't vote for the bill, they'll forget the children? But if they do, they'll remember? How is that? So tired of the bullshit from the left. The same people who would tell us that executing one of these mass killers won't bring back the victims. Who the fuck ever said that it would?
Posted by: Dang at April 17, 2013 01:30 PM (R18D0)
Defeat these RINO traitors! Crash McStain is an irritant like no-one I have ever seen. A stupid, ignorant, arrogant, ass who got where he got because of his daddy and his before him.
Grassley is my man and we desperately need the other seat of Harkin the old queen who lives in the Bahamas
Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at April 17, 2013 01:30 PM (bpsQc)
Posted by: Meggy MacnCheese at April 17, 2013 01:30 PM (ujrve)
I knew I should have stayed away from Twitter today.
Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at April 17, 2013 01:30 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: Speedy Gonzales at April 17, 2013 01:31 PM (MhA4j)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/d78jhno
Must be some weird thing they do ju7st before they pass out the snakes.
Posted by: WalrusRex at April 17, 2013 01:31 PM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: baldilocks at April 17, 2013 01:31 PM (Su0W2)
Posted by: harleycowboy
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Heh. I can show you, but it'll cost ya.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 17, 2013 01:31 PM (uhftQ)
That's probably true - this type of amendment likely wouldn't prevent criminals from getting guns so would effectively be taxing/adding bureaucracy to law abiding citizens.
I'm sure Toomey must have thought it would have some minimal effect on getting gun in the hands of criminals or at least would have driven black market prices higher (making them prohibitive for some).
Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE at April 17, 2013 01:31 PM (PeB4U)
>>Aside from potential slippery slope concerns and a framing/public
image issue which drives the narrative in anti-2nd amendment ways why
was this amendment considered so toxic<<
We have lo-info voters on our side too
Posted by: Albie Damned at April 17, 2013 01:31 PM (Yhu4q)
"Yeah, why should we go after someone who violated a core principle of ours. Idiot."
And just what was that "core principle" that he violated, Fredo?
Posted by: jwest at April 17, 2013 01:31 PM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Brother Cavil's Ampersand Emporium at April 17, 2013 01:32 PM (fMiHM)
Posted by: mama winger
The law that O'Malley just got passed in MD requires fingerprinting and the purchase of a license to buy a firearm.
The other news: he's going to run for president.
Posted by: Retread at April 17, 2013 01:32 PM (zxitI)
Posted by: Bill sometimes Bill from Canada at April 17, 2013 01:32 PM (taXf0)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 17, 2013 01:32 PM (XYSwB)
Posted by: t-dubyah-d at April 17, 2013 01:32 PM (RqYCQ)
Posted by: Speedy Gonzales at April 17, 2013 01:33 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Bill Ayers at April 17, 2013 01:33 PM (WolTZ)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 01:33 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 17, 2013 01:33 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 17, 2013 01:33 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Tami
.........
Tami - that's wrong. The "internet" sales they were talking about are "private sellers" advertising on gun sites like "armslist". These are really dealers working outside the law.. Real internet "dealers" do in fact go through local FFL dealers.
Also - there are no background checks for sales at gun shows by private dealers in most states.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 17, 2013 01:34 PM (f9c2L)
The other problem with the current flood is a lot of them come over just to latch on to the American teat. Giving the option of welfare upon arrival lures the ones you don't want.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 17, 2013 01:34 PM (wrS2o)
Posted by: non-gun owning gun rights supporter at April 17, 2013 01:34 PM (x9s9/)
"And just what was that "core principle" that he violated, Fredo?"
"My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."
Cap'n Mal
Posted by: Jaws at April 17, 2013 01:35 PM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk
***
David Sirota just called JWest a dumbass. Ouch.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 17, 2013 01:35 PM (uhftQ)
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The bill would have done nothing - NOTHING - to prevent the shooting in Newtown. Not one thing. Newtown was a prop to get what they've been itching to get at for years, nothing more and nothing less.
The real issue is mental health. Until that is addressed, they might as well pack us all up in bubble wrap, because deranged killers are going to kill. It's why they call them "Deranged Killers." If not guns, then bombs. If not bombs, then knives. If not knives, then gas.
When will people realize that a gun is merely a hunk of metal. It has no inherent good or bad to it.
Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 17, 2013 01:35 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 17, 2013 01:35 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at April 17, 2013 01:35 PM (1hM1d)
Posted by: Reality Man at April 17, 2013 01:36 PM (L2x1w)
"Defeat these RINO traitors!"
Realistically, Toomey is the only one within reach. The other three, no hope.
Kirk? It's Sick-inois, Jake. Forget it.
McQueeg? An AZ state electorate dumb enough to believe Maverick when he told them last cycle he was for tough border controls are surely dumb enough to send him back to the Senate again.
Collins? Look at who Mainers picked to replace the other Weird Sister when that one retired. If Collins were ever primaried, Maine would promptly elect an even worse liberal in the general.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 17, 2013 01:36 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 17, 2013 01:36 PM (wR+pz)
Also - there are no background checks for sales at gun shows by private dealers in most states.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 17, 2013 05:34 PM (f9c2L)
And this bill would have done what to stop those people?
Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 17, 2013 01:37 PM (X6akg)
Chi-Town Jerry:
While this is true, what is also true is that prosecutors never see a legally bought gun at a crime. NEVER!!!!!!!
If there was some epidemic of legally bought private sale guns showing up in crimes, you might have a point.
Until then, you don't.
Posted by: Prescient11 at April 17, 2013 01:37 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 17, 2013 05:33 PM (GEICT)
You know there must be an answer somewhere, because your knee jerked. Trouble is, you don't know what the answer is.
Toomey violated the core principle of being a conservative. It has to be a fact because everyone on the thread seems to agree. Now, if you could only articulate what that core principle is.
Nah... that's would take thinking and thinking is hard.
Posted by: jwest at April 17, 2013 01:37 PM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Speedy Gonzales at April 17, 2013 01:37 PM (MhA4j)
They should be designated a terrorist org and these weapons of death and destruction should be handed over to the Feral Govt Fourthwith!
Oh and pass the bill and the vodka
Posted by: Chris Matthews at April 17, 2013 01:37 PM (bpsQc)
Yes. When there is a lot of misinformation flying around, a press conference is the last thing you want to do to clear things up. Best to let the reporters and folks like that sift through things on their own. They'll get it all sorted out.
Posted by: Eric Holder at April 17, 2013 01:37 PM (R18D0)
This is all Federal law.
Any weapon sold across state lines has to be delivered to a registered gun store for pick up.
A registered gun store is required to keep an inventory log book recording the make, model, serial number, and buyer of the weapon. The BATF goes through these books with a fine tooth comb during audits. Any screw ups can result in jail time. Falsifying the books will be found out and also punished.
Then when you the customer walks in. You have to fill out a brief form that says among other things you are not a felon and you are the end user. Felonies will prevent a sale going through. Owner runs a quick check to see if you can purchase weapon. If he gets no hits, then the sale can proceed.
Now the gun store goes to a gun show. Guess what, all those Federal laws still apply at the gun show.
The only 'loophole' is between two private citizens at a gun show or garage sale or even the local classifieds. Still the smart seller will keep records of whom they sold the weapon to. Just in case. But that is the only existing 'loophole' and what Manchin-Toomey tried to peddle would not have really closed it.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 01:38 PM (OCvUs)
Also - there are no background checks for sales at gun shows by private dealers in most states.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
***
Ummmm troll, I mean CTJ, if it's state to state they MUST have the gun shipped by an FFL holder to another FFL holder who does the background check there. If it's in the same state I can sell the gun to someone without a background check. This was all explained to you before.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 17, 2013 01:38 PM (uhftQ)
1) What's in the amendment isn't really well understood - I should probably just RTFA before I ask things
2) A lot of the checks/etc are already in place including mental health checks and basically they're trying to make extensions that might be overreaches
I haven't seen good summaries on what type of registries we might see (which there should be absolutely zero trust in the govt not abusing them) but here's the test fwiw:
http://tinyurl.com/d6z3g7g
Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE at April 17, 2013 01:38 PM (PeB4U)
Tami:
Exactly. Pros of expanded background checks = almost nil.
Cons = national registry, government monitoring, mass confiscation, mass murder.
Hmmm, that scale weighs one way.
Posted by: Prescient11 at April 17, 2013 01:38 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at April 17, 2013 01:38 PM (UU0OF)
CAUTION: May wish to wait for confirmation before shooting your neighbor.
Posted by: WalrusRex at April 17, 2013 01:39 PM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: the bearded UNIX god at April 17, 2013 01:39 PM (LyF0H)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon is a solid man at April 17, 2013 01:39 PM (pxDth)
Let me give you some help, fuckwad.
Maybe the "core principle" you're looking for is one where conservatives want every criminal and crazy asshole armed.
That must be it, because that's what the bill was trying to prevent.
Keep searching. There must be a few more core principles he violated along the way.
Posted by: jwest at April 17, 2013 01:40 PM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Deety at April 17, 2013 01:40 PM (4NlFM)
Easy to shoot big clips! Large velocity guns!
Those are her words, BTW. She is really having a bad day. They may have to screw her face back on tonight. I am sure the bolts have loosened.
Posted by: B at April 17, 2013 01:40 PM (6iEQd)
Posted by: the bearded UNIX god at April 17, 2013 01:40 PM (LyF0H)
Posted by: toby928© of the sticky socks at April 17, 2013 01:40 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: 80sBaby at April 17, 2013 01:40 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 17, 2013 01:41 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: toby928© of the sticky socks at April 17, 2013 01:41 PM (evdj2)
Toomey's been in congress for almost a third of his adult life and like most career national politicians they think that only they have the ability and power to change things. They become blind to the fact that most of the things they do have adverse effects on the nation, but in their head they know best. He just convinced himself that something must be done and by God he'll do it. Fact of the matter is, the nation is stronger tonight that the Senate didn't pass any legislation.
Posted by: lowandslow at April 17, 2013 01:41 PM (Fz2C7)
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 17, 2013 01:42 PM (uhftQ)
And if there are loopholes between private dealers - even if the vast vast majority of guns used in crimes are purchase illegally - it seems they should be closed
The issue here though is that as somebody else mentioned - Manchin-Toomey might not have even done that
Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE at April 17, 2013 01:42 PM (PeB4U)
Posted by: non-gun owning gun rights supporter at April 17, 2013 05:34 PM (x9s9/)
Not for long, I'm guessing. The far-Left comprising the Democratic Party's base has been pressing President Obama to use the regulatory powers of the Executive to do a runaround on any congressional legislation (or lack of legislation). Unlike Democratic members of the House and Senate, the President doesn't have to worry about reelection. The temptation to play god in the machine and 'take action when Congress won't' will be too great for him to resist.
I'm betting he'll go after ammunition imports first.
Posted by: troyriser at April 17, 2013 01:42 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: zsasz at April 17, 2013 01:42 PM (MMC8r)
Loopholes? Is that like tax cuts costing the government money?
Posted by: toby928© of the sticky socks at April 17, 2013 01:43 PM (evdj2)
Awesome. Best twenty bucks I've ever donated to a website this year. Thanks, Ace.
Posted by: mrp at April 17, 2013 01:43 PM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 17, 2013 01:43 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 17, 2013 01:44 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 01:44 PM (OCvUs)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 17, 2013 01:44 PM (wR+pz)
In fairness, no one ever suggested he was a genius.
Posted by: toby928© of the sticky socks at April 17, 2013 01:44 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: toby928© of the sticky socks
Wasted.
Posted by: Dang at April 17, 2013 01:44 PM (R18D0)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 01:45 PM (OCvUs)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2013 01:45 PM (tqLft)
"And if there are loopholes between private dealers?"
Ummmm, if I'm not an FFL holder, I'm not a dealer. I'm just an average Joe selling to a neighbor or friend and a background check isn't needed.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 17, 2013 01:45 PM (uhftQ)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 17, 2013 01:46 PM (wR+pz)
Additionally, it's already illegal for you to knowing sell to a prohibited person.
Posted by: toby928© of the sticky socks at April 17, 2013 01:46 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Chris Matthews at April 17, 2013 01:46 PM (bpsQc)
No it was not. Not in any way, shape or form. That bill was aimed at non-criminal citizens. Why in the world some people can't understand that criminals can and will obtain weapons illegally is beyond me.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 17, 2013 01:46 PM (mKNJE)
Or do you hate private individuals owning anything?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 01:47 PM (OCvUs)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 17, 2013 01:47 PM (wR+pz)
The loopholes are the ones other have mentioned in the thread where apparently gun sales between private dealers at gun shows or online don't require background checks. This isn't the amorphous Obama 'I'll balance the budget and pay for Obamacare with imaginary tax loopholes I"ll close'
Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE at April 17, 2013 01:47 PM (PeB4U)
Posted by: jwest at April 17, 2013 05:37 PM (u2a4R)
-----------------------------------------
Core principle? How about the 2d Amendment. It's in the Constituion. You should read it. Besides, we already have laws that restrict gun sales.
Posted by: Soona at April 17, 2013 01:47 PM (XbwR1)
Posted by: toby928© of the sticky socks
***
Thank you, that is exactly right.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 17, 2013 01:47 PM (uhftQ)
Posted by: The NRA at April 17, 2013 01:48 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 17, 2013 01:48 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Barky Ochooma I at April 17, 2013 01:49 PM (Cnqmv)
My point being that your question implies that the government, by right, can control the private sale of legal commodities between private citizens at their whim. Don't let them steal first base like that.
Posted by: toby928© of the sticky socks at April 17, 2013 01:49 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: h at April 17, 2013 01:49 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 17, 2013 01:49 PM (+z4pE)
Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at April 17, 2013 01:50 PM (bpsQc)
What loophole?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 01:50 PM (OCvUs)
Posted by: Baldy at April 17, 2013 01:50 PM (opS9C)
Posted by: The NRA at April 17, 2013 01:50 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE
So if I sell an old pair of shoes to a friend, are you calling me a private shoe dealer?
Posted by: Dang at April 17, 2013 01:51 PM (R18D0)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at April 17, 2013 01:51 PM (UU0OF)
He really thinks this bill would have stopped an insane shooter. WOW
Best. Men.
PS - FUCK YOU
Posted by: shut off the TV at April 17, 2013 01:51 PM (B4kSp)
Posted by: Buzzion at April 17, 2013 01:52 PM (JhS4R)
I generally agree with you on that - but in the case of guns there's already regulation during the sale when you're buying from an FFL dealer. It seems from what you and others have intimated in the thread that if you don't have an FFL that selling to another citizen is illegal? so then these background checks etc would redundant and be a case of extra bureaucracy instead of enforcement.
Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE at April 17, 2013 01:52 PM (PeB4U)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 01:52 PM (OCvUs)
The loopholes are the ones other have mentioned in
the thread where apparently gun sales between private dealers at gun
shows or online don't require background checks. This isn't the
amorphous Obama 'I'll balance the budget and pay for Obamacare with
imaginary tax loopholes I"ll close'
So there are Private Dealers and Public Dealers now?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 17, 2013 01:52 PM (+z4pE)
Posted by: The NRA at April 17, 2013 01:52 PM (wR+pz)
dumbass.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
I was late on that day. Session. Term. Whatever.
Posted by: Barely Obama at April 17, 2013 01:53 PM (R18D0)
Posted by: toby928© of the sticky socks at April 17, 2013 01:53 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: The NRA at April 17, 2013 01:54 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 17, 2013 01:54 PM (wR+pz)
Ummmm, if I'm not an FFL holder, I'm not a dealer. I'm just an average Joe selling to a neighbor or friend and a background check isn't needed.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 17, 2013 05:45 PM (uhftQ)
I can't speak for other states but my home state (Indiana) does not allow private sales without going through an FFL. I can give/bequeath my firearms to my children or spouse or as a gift to anyone as long as I have a 'reasonable' belief the recipient is not a felon or a wife beater or drug addict or mentally unstable, etc., but can't sell them outright.
The 'loophole' the anti-gun people are so worried about doesn't exist where I live. Probably doesn't exist anywhere else, either.
Posted by: troyriser at April 17, 2013 01:54 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Dang at April 17, 2013 01:55 PM (R18D0)
This sounds like it was meant as some kind of 'legislative xanax' because something bad happened.
Is that what bills have become? Serious you guys
Posted by: shut off the TV at April 17, 2013 01:55 PM (B4kSp)
Interstate + Intrastate sales are regulated by the govt by requiring FFL in order to sell/manufacture
Those selling w/o an FFL are doing so illegally and the required checks, etc are being imposed on them
In that case it seems the amendment would be redundant - tell me if I'm making a mistake. Also I"m guessing the govt is invoking a commerce clause/wickard argument to regulate intrastate sales?
Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE at April 17, 2013 01:58 PM (PeB4U)
Vaginal warts.
Posted by: Roy at April 17, 2013 04:52 PM (VndSC)
Just an occupational hazard. My vajayjay looks like a cornfield after it has been tilled for planting.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at April 17, 2013 01:58 PM (YYyqq)
Guess again. From you state gov website...
http://www.in.gov/isp/files/2010_Firearms_Purchasing_FAQ%283%29.pdf
If I purchase a handgun from a private person, do I have to complete a transfer
form?
No. Indiana does not require the completion of a form for a private purchase nor do you
have to route the transfer through a dealer. Recommend reviewing statutes in IC 35-
47-2.5 which is the chapter regulating the sale of handguns in regards to a private sale
or purchase. The department also recommends exchanging receipts to document the
transfer.
Try looking shit up next time.
Posted by: Dang at April 17, 2013 01:59 PM (R18D0)
Thanks - that's what I was alluding to - though it seems like the 1968 gun control act covers both inter and some intra state sales?
With respect to the private dealer reference here is the FFL description:
Private sales between unlicensed individuals who are residents of the same state are allowed under federal law so long as such transfers do not violate the other existing federal and state laws. While current law mandates that a background check be performed if the seller has a federal firearms license, private parties living in the same state are not required to perform such checks under federal law. State laws however can prohibit such sales.
A person who does not have a Federal Firearms License may not be in the business of buying or selling firearms. Individuals buying and selling firearms without a federal license must be doing so from their own personal collection.
Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE at April 17, 2013 02:01 PM (PeB4U)
Yet more verbal gymnastics to get people in trouble over.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2013 02:03 PM (OCvUs)
Posted by: Dang at April 17, 2013 05:59 PM (R18D0)
I stand corrected. I will. And thanks for being so polite about it, asshole.
Posted by: troyriser at April 17, 2013 02:04 PM (vtiE6)
You must be new here.
Posted by: Dang at April 17, 2013 02:06 PM (R18D0)
Posted by: Katfish at April 17, 2013 02:07 PM (Nx5wc)
And I didn't call you any names. *wipes away a tear*
Posted by: Dang at April 17, 2013 02:09 PM (R18D0)
Posted by: Speedy Gonzales at April 17, 2013 02:15 PM (MhA4j)
Nah - for regulatory legalese its actually pretty clear. Only interstate sales are regulated for both groups (FFL and non FFL holders) while intrastate sales are only regulated for those who want to run a business for profit like you said - then it's up to the state. I guess the amendment would extend it to all groups - which would have an effect on what I'm guessing are a lot of states (like Indiana).
Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE at April 17, 2013 02:18 PM (PeB4U)
Posted by: Dang at April 17, 2013 06:06 PM (R18D0)
Yes, I'm new here. That's me all right. Sure is nice to know there are fact checkers like you lurking around, ready to spring into action at a moment's notice. It's a lonely, thankless job, I know, but thanks so much for doing it.
Posted by: troyriser at April 17, 2013 02:19 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Dang at April 17, 2013 06:09 PM (R18D0)
Thought about it. You're right. That 'asshole' remark was uncalled-for.
Posted by: troyriser at April 17, 2013 02:20 PM (vtiE6)
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Posted by: Mark Kelly, Space Ranger at April 17, 2013 05:22 PM (CrO2/)
Lance: What?
Kilgore: Legislation, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that.
[kneels]
Kilgore: I love the smell of defeated legislation in the afternoon. The smell, you know that legislative smell, the whole hill. Smelled like
[sniffing, pondering]
Kilgore: LAME DUCK. Someday this administration's gonna end...
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