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January 14, 2013

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— Gabriel Malor

Happy Monday.

Patterico has an exclusive about prosecutorial overreach and potential misconduct in the federal case against tech genius Aaron Swartz for "liberating" thousands of JSTOR academic articles. Swartz co-authored RSS 1.0 at age 14, built the platform that eventually became reddit, contributed to what became Creative Commons. He took his own life on Friday, at age 26, just as federal prosecutors disclosed that they'd withheld a crucial email in the case that could have sent Swartz to jail for 30 years. Alas, it's moot now. Patterico has more on the whole mess.

A New York state senator is claiming that an attempted burglary has been tied to the Journal News' publication of the names and addresses of gun owners.

Both the Treasury and the Fed have ruled out the platinum coin. On Sunday, Treasury spokesman Anthony Coley announced via email: "Â“Neither the Treasury Department nor the Federal Reserve believes that the law can or should be used to facilitate the production of platinum coins for the purpose of avoiding an increase in the debt limit."

That's good news. The platinum coin, like the IOU idea and the 14th Amendment idea, were just ways that Democrats wanted to use to allow Obama to sidestep negotiating with Republicans over the debt ceiling.

I have to admit to some irritation with Coley's vague statement. Does it mean Treasury and the Fed think the coin is illegal, unconstitutional, or just impractical? Does it mean the production of platinum coins for other purposes would be okay? Treasury and the Fed aren't saying, but have definitely killed the platinum coin trick proposal, so the debate over the coin's legality will remain an academic one.

I don't remember if I wrote about this at the time, but in light of this Politico piece, in which GOP officials are quoted as saying that many in the House GOP want to force a government shutdown, I thought I'd repost this bit of advice from Patterico: "If you donÂ’t want to be blamed for a government shutdown, donÂ’t say youÂ’re trying to achieve a government shutdown."

That Politico piece and, apparently, the GOP officials who talked to Politico make some embarrassingly idiotic statements about what they think is going to happen if we blow through the debt ceiling. First, and most importantly, hitting the debt ceiling does not mean the U.S. will automatically or even immediately be in default of its loans. The government can prioritize its principal and interest payments over other spending. Legally, I think the government is required to do that, but the Democrats keep saying they'll spend the money on entitlements and cowboy poetry first even if it means missing loan payments.

Second, hitting the debt ceiling without a deal does not mean that there will be a government shutdown. This is the dumbest part of the Politico article and the GOP officials' threats. In the context of the debt ceiling being reached on February 15, they say their bosses aren't afraid to force a government shutdown if Obama doesn't allow spending cuts -- except hitting the debt ceiling on February 15 won't result in a government shutdown. The federal budget is authorized through the end of the current continuing resolution, which doesn't expire until the last week of March.

Similarly, letting the sequester go through will not result in a government shutdown either. It will trim federal department and agency budgets, but not close them down.

So the bloviating GOP officials whispering to Politico about shutdowns aren't serious about avoiding the debt ceiling or fixing the sequester. They're just jawing about a shutdown so they can boast to their own constituents about how tough they are, even if that's an utterly stupid and impossible claim in the current situation.

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1 Good Morning Morons. Today is Monday, January 14, 2013. On this day in 1952 the Today show with Dave Garraway premiered on NBC. I guess it was probably OK then before they went communist in the 60s.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 02:55 AM (53z96)

2 Contractors are bailing out of the defense industry seeking more Â“stableÂ” work. They see the writing on the wall while the choom king is in office.

http://is.gd/jPvaNk

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 02:56 AM (53z96)

3 Crooked Chicago authority accuses United Airline of running a crooked sham office in Southern IL to avoid paying exorbitant Chicago and Cook County sales tax on fuel. Are they pressing criminal charges? Of course not, that would require them to prove criminality. They are using the new government tactic, civil suit. It is much easier to win a civil suit than a criminal conviction. Just another reason to get rid of tort court. I recommend United Airlines leave the State and buy their fuel elsewhere. Most States charge no sales tax to businesses.

http://is.gd/0SZkup

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 02:56 AM (53z96)

4 Craft beers in the US are pushing the limits on alcohol content. They wonÂ’t in SC because beer and wine have tight limits on the amount of alcohol content. The max a beer can have in SC is 6%.

http://is.gd/AEqXUz

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 02:56 AM (53z96)

5 His majesty King Obama I pushing for a new amnesty bill for 11 million new Democrat voters.

http://is.gd/4qwjw0

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 02:56 AM (53z96)

6 Home of Â“outed gun ownerÂ” burglarized. My question is, will they sue the Newspaper?

http://is.gd/ZSmWit

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 02:57 AM (53z96)

7 DAY 69 1,391 to go Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, miscreants, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 02:57 AM (XkWWK)

8 NYC paying $6900 per student for busing? And the unions want to strike because they want to end this grand theft bus?

http://is.gd/EFPeyC

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 02:57 AM (53z96)

9 John Fund discusses who will be Tim ScottÂ’s replacement in the House. He has several things incorrect in this article.

http://is.gd/nbmNoE

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 02:57 AM (53z96)

10 Kindle Daily Deal

http://is.gd/HSh8iJ

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 02:58 AM (53z96)

11 Daily Kitteh

Â“Please sir, can I haz sum moar kitteh treats?

http://is.gd/4WOTQR

And thatÂ’s it for Monday, January 14, 2013. Not much out there today. But thatÂ’s normal for Monday.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 02:58 AM (53z96)

12 Yiddish Word of the Day "Machertainim" - In-Laws, usually a spouse's or married child's parents.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 03:00 AM (XkWWK)

13 So the bloviating GOP officials whispering to Politico about shutdowns aren't serious about avoiding the debt ceiling or fixing the sequester.

I don't believe a damn thing Politico says. They have been caught in outrageous lies in the past. They are the NYT of the internet.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 03:00 AM (53z96)

14 A New York state senator is claiming that an attempted burglary has been tied to the Journal News' publication of the names and addresses of gun owners.

Lol, I knew before clicking the link who that senator would be. Ball was my state senator until redistricting. Here's the thing about Ball, the NY GOP sucks the big one, and Ball is a constant loud mouth pain in the ass to them, so that's good. Problem is, the guy is also your typical self-promoting politician who always has things happening to him. He's into animal rights (yeah, nuts) and once claimed some Mexican drug gang murdered some goats and left them on his property or something ridiculous like that. I'm almost surprised Ball didn't claim it was his own home broken into.

Posted by: mugiwara at January 14, 2013 03:01 AM (hpYnL)

15 John Cox envisions the $1 trillion coin that now is not supposed to happen. Keep this handy just in case.
http://www.johncoxart.com/2013/01/look_what_obama_found_in_the_s.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 03:02 AM (znavB)

16 As for the $1T coin thing, the article I linked yesterday and the general consensus among the other conservative sites was that it was not legal.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 03:02 AM (53z96)

17 16 -

You people, and your quaint notions about what is legal, and what is not...

Thanks for the morning chuckle.

Posted by: J. Roberts at January 14, 2013 03:05 AM (BeSEI)

18 I closed down the ONT so I could come on up and crow....or was that just my evil double talking....may have been my triple......sunrise is a while away here on the "Left Coast".....but I got game...

Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 03:05 AM (Khl3H)

19 The Fed will never let the gubment create money at zero interest . Period .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 14, 2013 03:06 AM (BYxr7)

20 War Hysteria & the Persecution of German-Americans
http://t.co/wP82jaSf

My people were oppressed.
Where's my free shit?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at January 14, 2013 03:06 AM (hO8IJ)

21 50 degrees and pea soup fog in NYC this morning. Supposed to hit 55.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 03:07 AM (XkWWK)

22 53Â° here so far, supposed to hit 81Â° again today, but the temps have been running 2Â° under their prediction.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 03:09 AM (53z96)

23 If I had to eat all of the grains of salt I take politico with....

I could stunt double for popcorn.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:10 AM (LRFds)

24 20 Ms Radish,

We're covered....mom's side of the family told me we're going to be paid off in cabbage, taters, and pork bellies.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:11 AM (LRFds)

25 Bruce Krasting's guess on what happened with the coin: http://brucekrasting.com/ben-b-nixed-the-coin-what-does-that-mean/

Posted by: zippy at January 14, 2013 03:11 AM (uaUtg)

26 Doom via zerohedge (top story)

AAPL stock is currently trading at or just under the $500 "generational bottom" in the premarket session, or nearly a one year low, following news first from Japan's Nikkei that Apple has slashed orders for iPhone 5 components, and then from the WSJ, that demand for the flagship phone was far less than expected, resulting in a cut in orders in the supply chain.

Posted by: Methos at January 14, 2013 03:12 AM (hO9ad)

27 So why was this guy being prosecuted and Wiki leaks and Anonymous not, at least not in the US as far as I know? What is the difference between the three? That Schwartz was accessing academic articles?

Posted by: thunderb at January 14, 2013 03:12 AM (Dnbau)

28 That Woodrow Wilson surely was a trampler of the US Constitution. Might say it was because of him that in WWII FDR would inter American citizens of Japanese descent. Wilson had done it and never paid a penalty.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 03:12 AM (znavB)

29 19 Bill D Cat,

If I was not terrified that they'd replace it with something even more malignant I'd hop on the "end the fed" bandwagon.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:12 AM (LRFds)

'I'll see your 50 and drop you to 38 in SO-CAL....yes SO-CAL!!

The Valley-Girls are pop-sickles in da daddy Beemers....and so "TIFFED!!!"

Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 03:13 AM (Khl3H)

31 So I had dinner with friends and wife - all libs - and mercifully the conversations were all non-political until the subject of the weather and "global warming" came up. One claimed fracking caused earthquakes and another wouldn't let me speak and basically said I was anti-science. Ahh, the tolerance and open-mindedness on display, bless their hearts. As we were leaving I nearly puked - pictures proudly displayed of the chef/owner with SCOAMF and Joe Bidet. Never again.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 03:13 AM (XkWWK)

32 13 Vic,

Quite....

The politics version of "Screw" magazine.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:13 AM (LRFds)

33 You guys are going to have to take my word for this, because the NYT has already re-written the article.

The French have gone into Mali with air strikes because the US TRAINED TUAREG members of the military defected, ALONG WITH ALL OF THEIR EQUIPMENT, to the Islamasist troops coming in from Libya, who are remnants of Ghadaffi's army.

This was a complete rout and the Army was acting under the direction of Obama and State because they did not want to send US troops in (like Iraq) so they decided on this training strategy and the Tuareg (very tribal) just up and went with their borther Tuareg in the heat of battle.

The French have gone in because there are a bunch of French citizens in Mali.

This is yet another result of Obama's ham-handedness in Africa and a complete embarrassment. The FRENCH, under a socialist president, are actually doing something, while Obama sits around over here worrying about how to grab guns.

If the French get in trouble, the Chinese army will move in; I will bet cash money on that.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 03:15 AM (GoIUi)

34 31 JJ Sefton,

The anti-fracking thing is a big deal.

Part of the reason I am quitting Ohio economically is it has a metric buttload of shale potential and is allowing Yellow Springs and company to thwart large scale production.

Free Shit Army must have the secret to Zero Point Energy hidden in their detritus.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:15 AM (LRFds)

35 32 Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 07:13 AM (LRFds) Ah, the great Al Goldstein.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 03:15 AM (XkWWK)

36 10Â° here. High today forecast to be 28Â°. Here's your notice. Gun rights rally this Saturday, 10am at the statehouse in Topeka. Going to try to come up with a short, sweet, "even a moron knows" sign in honor of the Horde. If you live within an hour or so and you don't make it there, short of being dead or in the hospital, turn in your citizen patriot card.

Posted by: teej at January 14, 2013 03:15 AM (8Jp6C)

37 Craft beers in the US are pushing the limits on alcohol content. They wonÂ’t in SC because beer and wine have tight limits on the amount of alcohol content. The max a beer can have in SC is 6%.

http://is.gd/AEqXUz

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 06:56 AM (53z96)

Get the fucking bluenoses in your state legislature to up the max alc content. In addition to domestic craft beers it also keeps out the primo stuff from Belgium (which some domestic brewers have gotten on par with). If all you want is Bud, Miller and Coors swill, then don't do a thing.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 03:15 AM (02Cu4)

Next up for Chicago... suing corporations and the states they move to for lost tax revenue. I expect California and states that are heavy with unions (i.e. Michigan) to follow suit if any hint of success is smelled.

Sorry Vic - I expect South Carolina to be one of the harder hit areas (along with many other right to work, lower tax southern states) with these pathetic grabs for cash...

Posted by: Dilligas at January 14, 2013 03:16 AM (/Odq7)

39 17Â°F here. The bitching from the delicate flowers at work should be epic.

Mike Pence is sworn in as governor of Indiana today, using the Bible that was used at the presidential inauguration of Hoosier Benjamin Harrison.
http://is.gd/JJCWEe

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at January 14, 2013 03:17 AM (hO8IJ)

40 38 Posted by: Dilligas at January 14, 2013 07:16 AM (/Odq7) I have no doubt that failed states like California and Illinois will institute an exit tax on anyone moving out. And it will be a stiffie.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 03:17 AM (XkWWK)

41 33 Miss Marple,

Oh it gets better, the US Army will be replicating that smashing success on a larger scale this summer.

Next time some aging hippie gets foggy eyes lecturing you about the moral victory of ending two illegal wars in Vietnam and the ME help them keep that foggy eyed look by spitting in their eyes.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:17 AM (LRFds)

42 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 07:12 AM (znavB)

You should read Michelle Maulkins story on that; "In Defense of Internment". There was a LOT more going on than Woodrow Wilson. There had already been cases of Japanese folks aiding the Japanese in spying.

Everything you have heard from the MFM regarding internment is BS.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 03:17 AM (53z96)

43 @16

There is no law, series of law, interpretations. precedents, understandings or rules that would allow the President to direct the secretary to mint a coin, imbue it with a value outside of its intrinsic "value" and deposit it into the pocket of the President for the President to use at his discretion.

The only people who ever thought it was legal and or Constitutional were "clever" lawyers and corrupt politicians.

And yeah Empire of Assclownary, I'm grinding the organ.

FUCK YOU PREEMPTIVELY!

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 14, 2013 03:17 AM (RrD4h)

44 A fairly thorough intro to Swartz and the relevant laws. Maybe not such a travesty of justice (or, don't let the internet spin you on this one).

http://www.volokh.com/2013/01/14/aaron-swartz-charges/

Posted by: f2000 at January 14, 2013 03:19 AM (abiX9)

45 40 JJ Sefton,

"It's a tax, case upheld!"

//Things John Roberts will be saying soon

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:19 AM (LRFds)

Yet...

The Elephant in the room is ........AWOL......such a shock......ball-less EL's are such a serious pain these days maybe they should just goes aways

Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 03:20 AM (Khl3H)

47 Mike Pence is sworn in as governor of Indiana today, using the Bible that was used at the presidential inauguration of Hoosier Benjamin Harrison.
http://is.gd/JJCWEe

Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at January 14, 2013 07:17 AM (hO8IJ)

Is Mitch Daniels officially out of politics now? Too bad his runaway bride made it impossible for him to run for Prez without being sliced and diced by the Donk personal destruction machine.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 03:20 AM (02Cu4)

48 "If you donÂ’t want to be blamed for a government shutdown, donÂ’t say youÂ’re trying to achieve a government shutdown."
Legally, I think the government is required to do that, but the Democrats keep saying they'll spend the money on entitlements and cowboy poetry first even if it means missing loan payments.

Shut It Down. Let It Burn. Then Repossess.

Posted by: rickb223 - May God bless Texas at January 14, 2013 03:21 AM (d0Dmj)

49 #39 I will see if the TV stations locally cover it (probably not, can't interrupt The View or something). WIBC is going to cover it on the radio.

I notice that the local radio reporters keep being puzzled that Pence isn't immediately instituting a social agenda, but is doing what he said, building on Daniels work to improve the economy. I want to hear his address.

One of my concerns about Pence is that he has never been an administrator. I was glad to see he kept several people from Daniels' administration, which should make things run more smoothly.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 03:21 AM (GoIUi)

50 Some brilliant (sarc) leftist Ahole tried to publish a list of gun owners in Texas. It crashed the system! Hah!

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 14, 2013 03:22 AM (kLs5Y)

51 #33 I am sure. This is not a theoretical, far-off thing to me. My husband is located 2 countries away from Mali.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 03:23 AM (GoIUi)

52 - "That Politico piece and, apparently, the GOP officials who talked to Politico make some embarrassingly idiotic statements about what they think is going to happen if we blow through the debt ceiling." Don't be naive. Who says any GOP officials actually spoke to Politico? The "sources" for that article easily could have been the editors and reporters who wrote the article. Always be skeptical of what you see in the partisan liberal Democrat media. Fake but accurate, and all.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at January 14, 2013 03:23 AM (r2PLg)

53 42 Vic,

Thing is Wilson screwed with a lot more folks than just Germans.

FDR screwed with more folks than the Japanese.

I'm really torn because I'm sympathetic to their motivations and am pretty sure they both get a pass in history departments because of the magic (-d), but getting a straight analysis of either's war actions is hard.

I could work in a snarky joke about "and you were there" Vic but I won't.

You likely do have living memory passed down from people who were politically aware from ww2 though yes Vic?

Not being a jerk promise.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:23 AM (LRFds)

54 Get the fucking bluenoses in your state legislature to up the max alc content. In addition to domestic craft beers it also keeps out the primo stuff from Belgium (which some domestic brewers have gotten on par with). If all you want is Bud, Miller and Coors swill, then don't do a thing.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 07:15 AM (02Cu4)

That law is an old law left over from the days when all of SC was dry (even before mini-bottles). The intent was to keep people from making beer with 50% alcohol content (like the examples here). 50% alcohol content is not beer, it is liquor.

And getting any kind of rational law about alcohol passed in this State is still virtually impossible. It is the loosest I have ever seen it, but only by allowing individual counties to kill the laws.

Along the beach communities they have finally eliminated the blue laws on Sunday alcohol. Here where I am at with a church on every city block that will NEVER happen.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 03:24 AM (53z96)

55 So the bloviating GOP officials whispering to Politico about shutdowns aren't serious about avoiding the debt ceiling or fixing the sequester. They're just jawing about a shutdown so they can boast to their own constituents about how tough they are, even if that's an utterly stupid and impossible claim in the current situation.

Why, it's almost as if their main concern is themselves, and that telegraphing every move to one's opponents is a bad idea. Nah, that couldn't be it. Hey, there's a hill!

Posted by: George Armstrong Custer at January 14, 2013 03:24 AM (YXmuI)

56 #47 Daniels is the new head of Purdue University. It set off some of the teaching staff up there, but I believe the board hired him to get their budget under control and for fund-raising.

Daniels is the best governor we have ever had. Pence has a tough act to follow, and he knows it.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 03:25 AM (GoIUi)

57 Is Mitch Daniels officially out of politics now?

He's the new President of Purdue University. There was a round of protests from the usual suspects, and a general expectation that some non-academic administrators are going to have their lavish salaries and perks cut, if not their positions.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at January 14, 2013 03:25 AM (hO8IJ)

58 Posted by: Dilligas at January 14, 2013 07:16 AM (/Odq7)

You are missing the elephant on the couch. Even if IL was stupid enough to sue SC the only court with jurisdiction for that is the Supreme court. SCOTUS has "original jurisdiction for State vs State suits.

IL would lose their ass.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 03:26 AM (53z96)

59 Everything you have heard from the MFM regarding internment is BS.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 07:17 AM (53z96)

True in general, but most certainly true in the case of Japanese internment during WW II. There were Americans of Japanese descent in the US and many of them served honorably in the European theater, but there were also plenty of Japanese-Japanese in Hawaii and California that had links to the Japanese war effort.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 14, 2013 03:26 AM (Cnqmv)

60 54 Vic,

NC is hardly better from what my friend the air traffic controller at Pope AFB says.

He was trying to keep Clinton SC blue lawed...

Ohio has pretty much eliminated their dry areas that are non Amish.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:26 AM (LRFds)

61 58 Vic,

I would not bet my left testicle on that anymore Vic.

See "things John Roberts will say soon."

One wise Latina and Kennedy having a hard flow morning and we'll be in a brave new world.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:28 AM (LRFds)

62 ... If the French get in trouble, the Chinese army will move in; I will bet cash money on that.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 07:15 AM (GoIUi)

I think that you meant "when", not "if". Involving our Chinese business partners in getting this Islam thing under control is exactly what needs to happen. Everyone with an actual civilization needs to be fully participating in exterminating vermin.

Posted by: and irresolute at January 14, 2013 03:28 AM (DBH1h)

63 The main problem with high alcohol content beer is that it tastes like crap.

The higher the alcohol content the less complexity you have and when you drink it all you can note is, "shit this thing is high in alcohol."

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 14, 2013 03:28 AM (RrD4h)

64 42 Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 07:17 AM (53z96) Hey Vic. With all due respect, although there were no doubt quite a few Japanese, Germans and Italians spying before and during the war, the internment of entire classes of people was illegal and in my view unwarranted. I had an uncle who was a refugee from Germany in '38 and he was closely watched by the police and FBI. And the Nisei were the some of the most highly decorated and fiercely loyal combat soldiers America has ever had. The overwhelming majority if the internees were born here and many had never set foot in Japan, nor spoke the language. They were as American as you can get. It was wrong.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 03:29 AM (XkWWK)

65 50% alcohol content is not beer, it is liquor.

No argument there and I don't know why anybody would consider it as such. Even some of the barley-wine cortex wreckers I've had have been too fucking syrupy tasting to qualify for my definition of beer. But 6% is a fucking joke that the MADD/Carrie Nation fun-hating crones have imposed on you. Fuck those nags. 12% or to hell with it.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 03:29 AM (02Cu4)

Vic,

Must move to Calibonya, We drink on Sundays...(after Mass) and the "BEV-MO'S" stay open past sundown.......

jus sayin....

Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 03:29 AM (Khl3H)

67 You likely do have living memory passed down from people who were politically aware from ww2 though yes Vic?

Not being a jerk promise.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 07:23 AM (LRFds

Nothing from my relatives regarding WWII. However MM discussed the Germans and the Italians who were also interred in WWII. You never here about them in the MFM do you?

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 03:29 AM (53z96)

68 It's kind of sad that I'll be leaving just as Pence is getting settled in.

Ms radish I'll be expecting good updates while I am pretending to be a Palmetto.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:29 AM (LRFds)

69 The people who run Chicago want something for nothing. Where do they come up with these strange ideas?

Posted by: Case at January 14, 2013 03:31 AM (QwurB)

70 67 Vic,

It's the cult of race hysteria.

I'm reading up on the legal persecution and hounding of people with names ending in I or Y in the Korean war era if they were suspected of being too far left or right in the '40s.

DoJ is a house of sins.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:31 AM (LRFds)

71 MissMarple-I didn't know Mitch Daniels took the job at Purdue. Daughter has applied to Purdue, and knowing that makes me feel better at the prospect. Think he can make a difference in the academic pc level?

Posted by: Dish of Red at January 14, 2013 03:31 AM (Dmq63)

72 He's the new President of Purdue University. There was a round of protests from the usual suspects, and a general expectation that some non-academic administrators are going to have their lavish salaries and perks cut, if not their positions.

Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at January 14, 2013 07:25 AM (hO8IJ)

If I know Mitch, the Boilermakers will be so fucking flush in cash that those whiny turds will be more objects of ridicule than ever.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 03:32 AM (02Cu4)

73 The "farm[sic] bill" is getting shelved again. I use [sic] because it's mostly welfare.
http://is.gd/D0uOZE

And we'll be feeling last year's drought for some time.
http://t.co/9vqzY20Y

The bit at the end about a "bubble" in commodity prices intrigues me a little bit. Also note that farmers are "flush with cash", which makes the "farm[sic] bill" bitching that much more annoying.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at January 14, 2013 03:32 AM (hO8IJ)

Please don't get me started on the E.T.O sans WWII

please...

Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 03:33 AM (Khl3H)

75 Hey Vic. With all due respect, although there were no doubt quite a few Japanese, Germans and Italians spying before and during the war, the internment of entire classes of people was illegal and in my view unwarranted.

You have to keep in mind the conditions we were laboring under at the start of WWII. Everyone was scared to death of a landing by the Japanese in CA. We were losing bases in the pacific right and left and we were woefully unprepared for the war despite a decade of warnings from Europe.

Did some people get screwed? Yes, but it WAS necesssary given the conditions. Was it legal? Remember during a wartime emergency parts of the Constitution can be laid aside. The supremes said it was legal in any case.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 03:33 AM (53z96)

76 64 JJ Sefton,

To use King Putt's favorite soft sell WRT screw ups it was "not optimal."

Thing is war on that scale is seldom a thing done with any elegance or restraint.

I'm just trying to figure out how the Democrats managed to Aikido "the blame" for internment to the GOP.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:34 AM (LRFds)

77 Yay! Tipsarevic won!

Look, if I focus on political stuff this early in the morning, I'm going to go something something and no one wants that.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Sheldon/Penny 4Eva at January 14, 2013 03:34 AM (Gk3SS)

78 But 6% is a fucking joke that the MADD/Carrie Nation fun-hating crones have imposed on you. Fuck those nags. 12% or to hell with it.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 07:29 AM (02Cu4)

As I said earlier, that law has been around for a long long time. Long before MADD was even an idea.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 03:34 AM (53z96)

79 74 Richard,

Amen I got 1100 posts in 3 days of active posting last week.

I could get 1100 posts today if we turned this into WW2 thread.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:35 AM (LRFds)

80 #62 Be careful what you wish for. The Chinese have only one interest in Africa and that is mineral exploitation. They are trying to corner the rare earth minerals market.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 03:35 AM (GoIUi)

GO FOR IT!!

Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 03:36 AM (Khl3H)

82 @69

Remember these were the same rocket surgeons that raised their state income tax 67% and were dumbstruck that they did not raise the precise amount they had calculated.

In fact they raised about 2/3rds of what they calculated.

These are also the same people who calculate 8% year-over-year interest gains in their invested pension funds and are totally blind sided when it's closer to 1.5-2.5%

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 14, 2013 03:36 AM (RrD4h)

83 77 AlexTheChick,

I think the Fonz in an episode of the Practice paid extra for that or something....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:36 AM (LRFds)

84 Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 07:35 AM (LRFds)

Obviously, this should be a day of Peace, Love, and Understanding!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 14, 2013 03:37 AM (Cnqmv)

85 jus sayin....

Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 07:29 AM (Khl3H)

LOL, I left CA in 1977. It is easy to live with the stupid blue laws. You just have to make sure you buy your hooch before Sunday. And I don't go out that much anymore anyway.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 03:37 AM (53z96)

86 Were there cases of spying by Japanese? If you are talking of the Japanese diplomats yes. There were FBI reports of Americans of Japanese ancestry trying to thwart the US war effort. In the camps there were agitators wanting to fight for the Emperor. And then there is the Nihau incident. I really don't need to read Malkin's book. Similar treatment was given to German and Italian Americans in both wars, though Wilson's treatment was far worse than FDR's in my opinion. But so was the sabotage by Germans in the US in WWI. And least I forget the Canadians also did a round up of their Japanese and other suspect citizens in WWII.

Then there is the case from WWII of a US Army enlisted man named Provoo who came out of a tunnel on Corregidor after the surrender in a kimono speaking fluent Japanese. He had turned traitor and actively helped the Japanese. How active, he told the Japanese what an American Medical Captain had said and the Japanese executed Captain Thompson.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 03:37 AM (znavB)

87 What's a Tipsarevic?

Posted by: teej at January 14, 2013 03:37 AM (cgXSq)

88 80 Miss Marple,

Yup...

imperalism is only bad when it speaks English.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:38 AM (LRFds)

89 ...and in FOD news, the other side of the "dental assistant claims she was fired for being too attractive" story.

http://is.gd/DCLIOH

FOD. God love 'em.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at January 14, 2013 03:38 AM (hO8IJ)

90 #71 Academic pc is controlled by individual departments and professors. Presidents of universities don't usually get involved in that stuff unless there is a flagrant criminal offense or something.

Daniels will attack from the budget end, which is a good, rational place to start. There is lots of extra money floating around campuses due to the current collusion between university campuses and the student lending program. That needs to stop.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 03:38 AM (GoIUi)

91 80 #62 Be careful what you wish for. The Chinese have only one interest in Africa and that is mineral exploitation. They are trying to corner the rare earth minerals market. True, but I've read that we are now expanding domestic and North American production, so it should be harder than it was to effectively corner the market.

Posted by: pep at January 14, 2013 03:38 AM (YXmuI)

92 They are ~~trying to~~ cornering the rare earth minerals market.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 07:35 AM (GoIUi)

FIFY

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 14, 2013 03:39 AM (Cnqmv)

93 What's a Tipsarevic? Posted by: teej at January 14, 2013 07:37 AM (cgXSq)

Tennis player (male) and my favorite. The Aussie Open started last night so there's my life for the next two weeks.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Sheldon/Penny 4Eva at January 14, 2013 03:40 AM (Gk3SS)

94 84 Hrothgar,

Hey Hroth it's me I can think of military history relative to a thread on cake decorating....

heh

I just need to not give in to my typing addiction today at some point.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:40 AM (LRFds)

95 75 Did some people get screwed? Yes, but it WAS necesssary given the conditions. Was it legal? Remember during a wartime emergency parts of the Constitution can be laid aside. The supremes said it was legal in any case. Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 07:33 AM (53z96) Kormatsu was a decision that ranks up there with Dred Scott, Wickard v. Filburn and Plessy v. Ferguson. Believe me, as an ardent student of history and that period in particular, I am well aware of the prevailing conditions and culture of the nation. I still feel that it was wrong and unconstitutional, wartime emergency or not. It was an executive order with no due process. Sound familiar?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 03:41 AM (XkWWK)

96 89 Ms Radish,

Yeah there's definitely more going on in that story than meets the eye.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:41 AM (LRFds)

97 I figured that there was more to that dental assistant story than what was being mediarized.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 03:42 AM (53z96)

98 Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 07:40 AM (LRFds)

So, no .50 caliber frosting tube advice today, then?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 14, 2013 03:43 AM (Cnqmv)

99 with no due process. Sound familiar?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 07:41 AM (XkWWK)

We'll just have to disagree. Read the book by MM, your local library probably has it.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 03:43 AM (53z96)

100 What sent me in a barely self-controlled tizzy was visiting the US Holocaust Museum in DC. Going into the bookstore and net to a book on Dora's tunnels was a book on Manzinar. And I looked further and there were other books on the American internment mixed in with books on a real horror. That made me sick.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 03:43 AM (znavB)

101 99 We'll just have to disagree. Read the book by MM, your local library probably has it. Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 07:43 AM (53z96) Agreed. If only libs could be as reasonable. Then again, a leopard cannot change its spots. Cheers, Vic.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 03:45 AM (XkWWK)

102 "Tennis player (male)" Ah, I see. Caught your post about Maria's "shrieking" to late to reply. My view, with legs like hers she can shriek all she wants.

Posted by: teej at January 14, 2013 03:45 AM (CRLoc)

103 Are you NE Ohio sven?

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at January 14, 2013 03:46 AM (/B6EL)

104

You are a wise

I am boned.......yet

Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 03:46 AM (Khl3H)

105 When it comes to tennis and Alexthechick, only worry when the raptors take a stroll and some tennis player vanishes. Other than that, its all good.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 03:46 AM (znavB)

106 Over on Drudge, this headline: Schumer Asks Gun Retailers To Stop Sales As Congress Debates... Now THAT is comedy gold!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 03:47 AM (XkWWK)

107 #90-Thanks for the reply. That makes sense. I'm going to be new to the BS involved at the University level, and am a little concerned about it.

Posted by: Dish of Red at January 14, 2013 03:47 AM (Dmq63)

108 98 Hrothgar,

probably not....

ah who am I kidding?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:47 AM (LRFds)

109 As I said earlier, that law has been around for a long long time. Long before MADD was even an idea.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 07:34 AM (53z96)

Yeah well somebody is lobbying your state people to keep them from joining the 21st century as far as beer goes besides the church people and macro breweries. Ohio upped their max content within the last 20 years otherwise I'd be S.O.L for the good stuff.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 03:48 AM (02Cu4)

110 Is there anyone Chicago pols won't shakedown? Do business people just figure in the city cut as a cost of being located there? What is the difference between Chicago pols and the mob?

Posted by: Case at January 14, 2013 03:49 AM (QwurB)

111 Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 07:48 AM (02Cu4)

Alcohol laws in this State are primarily controlled by the churches.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 03:50 AM (53z96)

112 103 Opus an Arcus,

No I'm from SW Ohio.

Thing is I have been chasing the green machine as a soldier and a spouse most of my adult life to the point that when i go home to visit I hardly recognize the place anymore.

ObamaFo lady and the rerise of the Cleveland as seat of Ohio power thing is driving me crazy...well crazier I probably was born crazy.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:50 AM (LRFds)

113 110 Case,

The mob is more reliable and gives better protection.

I am hardly joking the Chicago machine is the mob.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:50 AM (LRFds)

114

Morning,

Sorry if this has already been discussed, I'm just now seeing it.

Sen. Schumer Asks Gun Retailers To Stop Sales As Congress Debates http://cbsloc.al/X7Illr

I haven't found a copy of the letter he sent, or a list of those he sent it to.

Posted by: spypeach at January 14, 2013 03:50 AM (pwTow)

115

To walk the beaches of Normandy in 1995 was a very special day for me....

Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 03:51 AM (Khl3H)

116 109 Captain Hate,

Yeah I am old enough to remember the folks discussing the blue laws.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:51 AM (LRFds)

117 "I probably was born crazy." Objection your honor. Assumes facts not in evidence.

Posted by: teej at January 14, 2013 03:53 AM (aqj6v)

118 115 Richard,

Yeah I went to Guam and was awed.

They're dying off every day.

God was kind enough to let me know my Grandfathers and Grandmothers from that era long enough to listen.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:53 AM (LRFds)

119 117 teej,

well "crafted"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:53 AM (LRFds)

120 My head hurts about the case of Ny Nourn. Her defense attorney knew she was lying about something so discarded the Battered Woman Syndrome defense. The appeals court's majority opinion was he should have used that defense.

What was Ny Nourn convicted of? Entrapping, killing, and arson of her boss Stevens with her lover Barker.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1140205.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 03:54 AM (znavB)

121 114 spypeach,

Chuckles is a nice tell.

If 'sensible gun laws and safety measures" meant anything other than bans and seizures he wouldn't be on like that.

I am cutting ties with any retailer who plays their games.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:55 AM (LRFds)

122 I see the beatification of Aaron Swartz continues apace over at Patterico. Fuck that douchesocket (Swartz, that is).

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 14, 2013 03:56 AM (9+R/m)

123 120 Ms Puma,

The law is now just another battleground in the kulturkampf, change the genders and the same appeals court would have wanted to convene Nuremberg.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:57 AM (LRFds)

124

Lets try this.....

The SCFOAMF is all cattle and No horns......WAIT!!! I fucked that up....

or did I?

Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 03:57 AM (Khl3H)

125 What was Ny Nourn convicted of?

Its CA so you can't assume a conviction will stick regardless of the evidence. Everyday they come closer to total collapse. The sad thing is I still have friends there. One lives in LA too so when it goes down she will be in big trouble.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 03:58 AM (53z96)

126 I probably was born crazy. Most likely. Some are so crazy that they think a gun-free zone is the safest place to be without a gun, when crazy logic tells you that a gun-free zone is the safest place to be when you're a criminal and you have a gun. Crazy. I'm pretty sure that if it were at all possible, PETA would teach deer how to shoot and then arm them to the teeth. I'll tell you what else is crazy. All this technology. Apparently it's sapping the American economy of it's jobs. Bank tellers, grocery checkers, gas station fill up guys, mailmen, steam train engineers, horse and buggy factory workers, oil lamp hanging hook benders, etc. etc. Soon there will be only one guy with money, one ATM, one self serve gas station and a vending machine. Technology is awful.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at January 14, 2013 03:58 AM (/B6EL)

127 122 Empire of Jeff,

Yeah it's a bit much. The guy played with fire and got burned. I'm saddened he's gone but life is a game of truth and conequences and he should have reasoned through that the enemies he was making that he thought were friends would count coup.

I'm waiting for his persecution to get histoircally revised to being "evil reichwing attacks."

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 03:59 AM (LRFds)

128 121 Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 07:55 AM (LRFds) Was planning on going down to the Midtown Gun Range this morning to finish my paperwork. I wonder if Schmuck Schumer's letter has been received there? He really is utterly loathsome. I should have punched him out when I had the chance.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 03:59 AM (XkWWK)

129

Here's the letter and the list.

I found it at Free Republic

http://tinyurl.com/axqdyq7

Michael Duke Chief Executive Officer Wal-Mart

Thomas Millner Chief Executive Officer CabelaÂ’s

James Hagale Chief Executive Officer Bass Pro Shops

David Pratt Chief Executive Officer Gander Mountain

Darrell Webb Chief Executive Officer Sports Authority

Rodney Faldyn Chief Executive Officer Academy Sports and Outdoors

Steven G. Miller Chief Executive Officer Big Five Sports

...

Posted by: spypeach at January 14, 2013 03:59 AM (pwTow)

130 Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 07:55 AM (LRFds)

If the progs really wanted "sensible gun laws and safety measures", they'd be in real and serious discussions with the NRA, not the Brady Bunch types.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 14, 2013 03:59 AM (Cnqmv)

131 119 sven Hey, I read the "Foundation" series. Around here you just never know. Hell, I met chemjeff and as smart as he is I'm not too sure about him either. On the other hand, no one is selling Cherry 2000s yet that I know of so...

Posted by: teej at January 14, 2013 03:59 AM (S08dG)

132 125 Vic,

San Diego will have about 6 hours warning of the implosion.

That is how much a difference being "Republican" in Cali makes...about 6 hours.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 04:00 AM (LRFds)

133 So the dentist fired her, not because she was irresistible, but because he was getting it on with her, via text, and the wife insisted she be fired so their marriage would survive?

And that's better... how??

I realize it may not be illegal, but he's a chump.

Posted by: J. Roberts at January 14, 2013 04:00 AM (BeSEI)

134 133 -

Oops, that's not the opinion of the court, just mine.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 14, 2013 04:01 AM (BeSEI)

135 He really is utterly loathsome. I should have punched him out when I had the chance.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 07:59 AM (XkWWK)

You'd still be scouring your knuckles with an SOS pad trying to get the slime off.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 04:01 AM (02Cu4)

136

Once the Treasury Department runs out of accounting tricks to pretend we haven't already hit the debt ceiling, there will by necessity be at least a partial government shutdown as there won't be enough money flowing into government to pay for the authorized spending. Of course, since we're entering tax season, the IRS could simply delay sending out tax refund checks until those of us who pay quarterly taxes and those who underpaid taxes last year send in those payments, which would buy the government a bit more time.

The bad news is it's Teh SCOAMF who decides what gets shut down.

Posted by: steveegg at January 14, 2013 04:02 AM (o44nj)

137 128 JJ Sefton,

Chuck is one of my '90s pen pals.

I quit my correspondence with Congressional and Senatorial personalities when I offered to meet Marty Meehan on opposite sides of the Viewing pool with Louisville Sluggers and grins during recounts 2000 and his asshattery on the war.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 04:02 AM (LRFds)

138

"even if that's an utterly stupid and impossible claim in the current situation."

Stoopid is as stoopid does.

Posted by: Forest Gump at January 14, 2013 04:02 AM (kWFP3)

139 The thing I found funny in the news articles was the call for Republicans to "compromise" on sensible gun safety laws (yes they use the Dems code words).

What I would like to see is a response from a Republican that says "compromise" means both sides give up something, not that Republicans cave in abolishing the 2nd amendment by illegal means.

My response would have been OK, lets compromise. We will agree to background checks for ALL gun buyers if you will agree to repeal the 1938 and 1968 gun laws.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 04:03 AM (53z96)

140 #122 Jeff, I don't know enough about the guy to form a judgement. I had never heard of him.

My opinion is that if the gullible and non-Marxist lefties blame Obama and Holder, I am not going to disabuse them of the notion. My "fighting fair" controls got broken last year, and my give-a-damn is also busted.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 04:03 AM (GoIUi)

141 80 #62 Be careful what you wish for. The Chinese have only one interest in Africa and that is mineral exploitation. They are trying to corner the rare earth minerals market.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 07:35 AM (GoIUi)

I prefer that our advanced society business partners occupy territories where tribes and blood lines have done nothing, ever, for the advancement of the peoples unfortunate enough to live there. I would much rather that our business partners sit atop valuable resources as opposed to Islamists and tribes. My desire to see the Chinese invest some blood in these fights against Islam is like asking them to ante up in the global poker game that we are playing. They have been playing for free and that's not good for us.

Posted by: and irresolute at January 14, 2013 04:04 AM (DBH1h)

142 131 Teej,

If we ever reach the point that your brain can be downloaded into a pocket AI on the net I have to admit I'd probably be all over it.

At its best this medium is a virtual town hall and a place to help others improve their lives and gain spare perspectives and analysis and at its worst it is the Pomepiian and herculinium bath house walls....

Either way it is a thing of beauty and power which means the politicians will try to kill it.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 04:04 AM (LRFds)

143 Saw a news story that "Dick's Sporting Goods" is going to stop selling "assault style" rifles, at least for the time being. Didn't shop there much anyway. Now, dead to me.

Posted by: teej at January 14, 2013 04:06 AM (m9GfP)

144 141 and irresolute,

my ONLY fear is that the chinese showed themselves to be quite willing to go native during their last age of exploration....

sometimes you stare into the jihadi and the jihadi stares back into you.

If the chinese ever started hiring outsiders and showed they were willing to force the natives to adapt at gunpoint I admit I'd probably be tempted to go help if young enough.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 04:06 AM (LRFds)

145 Saw a news story that "Dick's Sporting Goods" is going to stop selling "assault style" rifles, at least for the time being.

Didn't shop there much anyway. Now, dead to me.

Posted by: teej at January 14, 2013 08:06 AM (m9GfP)

I thought they were going to quit selling all guns.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 04:07 AM (53z96)

146 The Chinese have only one interest in Africa and that is mineral exploitation. They are trying to corner the rare earth minerals market.

Their interest is way beyond that. They're building factories like crazy in Africa. They see a continent in flux still dealing with the collapse of colonialism and understand that small(ish) economic nudges now will leverage into big influence down the road.

They're playing a 50-100 year game in Africa. Someday the colonial shocks will subside and Africa will get (relatively) unfucked, and they want the be the ones there when it happens.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 14, 2013 04:07 AM (BNacf)

147 You know what I just fucking love? I love having a schedule set by a general contractor, confirmed in a jobsite meeting on Thursday. I love that we hired two more men to make sure that we met their schedule. Then, and this is the part that really makes me feel all tingly, I love getting a phone call from my on-site foreman saying the job isn't ready for us and won't be ready until Wednesday. So now three men get to sit at home today and tomorrow.

You knew on Friday that you weren't going to make the schedule. Make a fucking phone call assholes.

*rant off*

Now I'm going to go read the comments. Be back in a few, jackwagons.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 14, 2013 04:07 AM (da5Wo)

148 Why are ppl making a hacker out to be a hero? Pro tip: not every unlawful act is a grand gesture of Civil Disobedience. Sometimes (often) it's just a sign that the perp is a poorly socialized selfish jerk. I'm so old I remember when conservatives believed in the rule of law.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 14, 2013 04:08 AM (5H6zj)

149 #141 I see your point. However, I am not convinced that they would do anything except haul as much stuff back to China as they could.

We will see. I wonder when the US media will cover this. The NYT article I got the information from got re-written to remove all mention of US involvement over there, so eager are they to cover Barry's butt.

The news is all over Africa, of course. My husband called and told me about it yesterday.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 04:09 AM (GoIUi)

150 "Beers that are higher gravity (e.g., higher in alcohol) than your typical 3 to 5 percent in your average six pack"

Higher alcohol = lower specific gravity as alcohol is less dense than water. Made some apple wine last year that pushed 18%. Drink one bottle and you will eat your own clothes. Drink two bottles and you will save your drowning mother-in-law.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 14, 2013 04:09 AM (kWFP3)

151 The Chinese have already cornered the rare earth minerals market. They already produce over 95% of the rare earths.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 14, 2013 04:10 AM (BBWjt)

152 They're playing a 50-100 year game in Africa. Someday the colonial shocks will subside and Africa will get (relatively) unfucked, and they want the be the ones there when it happens. People with a one-child policy and an economic model that operates on the stupidity of foreign investors can't afford such long-term plans.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 14, 2013 04:10 AM (uhAkr)

153 Well, there's something I don't remember ever seeing before - an article regarding news from my alma mater in the side bar! Followed by another. besides! Astounding.

Posted by: Optimizer at January 14, 2013 04:10 AM (Mxt9o)

154 i heard the same Vic....no guns at all which is going to leave a huge hole in their hunting section sports authority told me that guns & rifles are discontinued in city areas but "where people actually hunt" they will continue selling. the manager in the phx store told me that it just wasn't a big money maker for them

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 14, 2013 04:10 AM (GVxQo)

155 I just got an e-mail from Midway, telling me that they expect an executive order banning the sale of high-capacity magazines, so they are shipping my partial order immediately.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 14, 2013 04:11 AM (GsoHv)

156 Vic, got friends in CA also. Most are more than a bit worried about the collapse and the FSA who habla not English.

Teej so does that mean you would want to be downloaded into a Cherry 2000?

From Ghost in the Shell:Stand Alone Complex S1 E1. A Japanese minister gets drunk and swaps brain cases with one of the serving geishas.
http://youtu.be/lVPbcCKP8dM

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 04:11 AM (znavB)

157 We are not going to make a trillion dollar coin. As soon as we figure out what comes after a trillion, we are going to mint lots.

Posted by: Turbo Tax Timmy at January 14, 2013 04:11 AM (vYB+W)

158 Why are ppl making a hacker out to be a hero?

The case against him is/was bogus. You can't steal something that's being given away for free.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 14, 2013 04:11 AM (BNacf)

159 The main problem with high alcohol content beer is that it tastes like crap.
The higher the alcohol content the less complexity you have and when you drink it all you can note is, "shit this thing is high in alcohol."

Posted by: General Woundwort

I have tried a number of these high alcohol beers through the years. To me they taste like Bud Light with a shot of cheap booze in them. Definitely not a nice flavor or worth the money, or strange headache, of drinking them.

Posted by: Bruce at January 14, 2013 04:12 AM (D/OWC)

160

118

My FAV uncle "Chuck" a very quiet and always giving man who put on the BEST birthday parties for his daughters down at 3-Arch Bay in Laguna beach

spent 2 years aboard a assualt-LST on the Island hopping campaign all the way to Siapan.....he never talked about it. only found out about it when I attended his funeral with a very rightous Military send off....DANG!! what a history I could have gotten from him..if only I knew! But that's the way alot of the WWII vets rolled...they did the job, came home and just went about having a life....can you imagine?

Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 04:12 AM (Khl3H)

161 #146 I didn't know about the factories. I only know local news from what my husband sees, and he's in mining.

Thanks for the information! It makes it even more critical that we havenews out of there, doesn't it?

I get SO tired of having to scan Asian and British news sources for information.

Meanwhile, big news here is Jodie Foster's "Surprise I am a lesbian" speech.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 04:12 AM (GoIUi)

162 Meanwhile here in Utah that story about Harry Reid being bribed by some local millionaire swindler has been completely sanitized of any refs to Reid. The only pol's name that is mentioned is our new AG Swallow. I smell a rat. Swallow was in a tough race and he was the hardest line on illegals, incl his GOP opponent in the primary. I'm sure the Dems would love to get an immig squish inthere. One thing I dont like abt UT politics is theyre too soft on illegals.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 14, 2013 04:13 AM (5H6zj)

163 152 Bevel L,

they can if they are planning on genuine phased expansion.

If China were to ever "call home" the wordlwide population of Chinese descended locals their population controls could be undone rather quickly.

Being the "#1 economic and military power on the globe" with a lot of new land being colonized could do that.

The Chinese are gonna rock some little shithole's world.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 04:13 AM (LRFds)

164 Morning!

Stronger beer for everyone! But, personally, anything over 7% or so is just not beer in my book.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 14, 2013 04:13 AM (UTq/I)

165 161 Miss Marple,

Did she ever hop back in to the closet after her 1990s coming out?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 04:14 AM (LRFds)

166 That's why I come here sven. There are some things I wish some folks would take a closer look at (don't ask) but most everyone here knows a lot more than me in a lot of areas. A. Lot.

Posted by: teej at January 14, 2013 04:14 AM (cgXSq)

167 Hacker boy illegally accessed MIT system. And JSTOR wasnt free at the time.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 14, 2013 04:14 AM (5H6zj)

168 Rare earth elements [REE] locations in the US
http://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2010/5220/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 04:17 AM (znavB)

169 People with a one-child policy and an economic model that operates on the stupidity of foreign investors can't afford such long-term plans.

One child is under review and has already been weakened in several significant ways. It'll be a memory by 2020.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 14, 2013 04:17 AM (BNacf)

170 160 Richard,

No. Basically they were the last of the real "just do it" Americans I think. I try to be old school in "eye on the ball, keep plugging, deal with blowback later" but I am a wimp compared to either of my grandfathers. The GOP would be well served making its motto "shut up and work."

Sorry. Sounds like your uncle was a great man, a lot from that era were.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 04:17 AM (LRFds)

171 If you are one of the new rich of the PRC, you can afford to have multiple children and pay the fines. In agrarian areas the rule is also falling out. But there are still over 30 million men in the PRC who will never marry unless they go overseas. What an army that would be.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 04:19 AM (znavB)

172 Hacker boy illegally accessed MIT system. And JSTOR wasnt free at the time.

JSTOR and MIT dropped all charges. JSTOR was a toll collector, not an owner of IP. The Fed case revolves around copyright, and its weak.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 14, 2013 04:19 AM (BNacf)

173 147 BC1981,

Sounds like it sucks, depending on relationship you should probably sue their asses after you don't need them.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 04:19 AM (LRFds)

174 150 "Beers that are higher gravity (e.g., higher in alcohol) than your typical 3 to 5 percent in your average six pack" Higher alcohol = lower specific gravity as alcohol is less dense than water. Made some apple wine last year that pushed 18%. Drink one bottle and you will eat your own clothes. Drink two bottles and you will save your drowning mother-in-law. Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 14, 2013 08:09 AM (kWFP3) Wow, I smell an ad campaign!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 04:19 AM (XkWWK)

175 Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 08:13 AM (LRFds) China's only considered a super-awesome country because they don't report negative news. What we do know about China is they have highways no one uses, cities no one lives in, cars locked in warehouses, and malls that have never been opened. The country operates under a delusion and to top it off, their coming generation imbalance makes ours look like a baby boom. The Soviet Union also spent money flexing muscle abroad in the 70s. Think about where they were a decade later.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 14, 2013 04:20 AM (uhAkr)

176 171 Ms Puma,

Yeah....imagine if we didn't have abortion as a religious sacrament for Secular Humanism.....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 04:21 AM (LRFds)

177 168 Rare earth elements [REE] locations in the US http://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2010/5220/ Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 08:17 AM (znavB) "I just want to celebrate, another day of livin'..." Rare Earth, 1971

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 04:21 AM (XkWWK)

178 >>>>Pro tip: not every unlawful act is a grand gesture of Civil Disobedience........
I'm so old I remember when conservatives believed in the rule of law.<<<<<

Shame the kid didn't have the wit to declare himself a journalist.

David Gregory could not be reached for comment.

Good Morning all.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at January 14, 2013 04:22 AM (KAWvv)

179

"Sullivan Unceremoniously Dumped by Daily Beast"

===============

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!

Posted by: Jay at January 14, 2013 04:22 AM (3LaGb)

180 Downloaded into a Cherry 2000? Um, no. You got the direction of the download backwards. I suspect you know that and are snickering wickedly to yourself right now.

Posted by: teej at January 14, 2013 04:22 AM (gS7S1)

181 Meanwhile, big news here is Jodie Foster's "Surprise I am a lesbian" speech.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 08:12 AM (GoIUi)

If there are an infinite number of alternative universes, none exist where I care one iota about anything having to do with Jodie Foster.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 04:22 AM (02Cu4)

182 One child is under review and has already been weakened in several significant ways. It'll be a memory by 2020. One child was supposed to have expired already. They chose to continue it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 14, 2013 04:22 AM (uhAkr)

183

"provide a kind of conditional amnesty for roughly 11 million illegal immigrants, import more unskilled and skilled workers,"

Oblowme will be fighting the unions to get skilled labor into this country from abroad.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 14, 2013 04:22 AM (kWFP3)

184 160 118 My FAV uncle "Chuck" a very quiet and always giving man who put on the BEST birthday parties for his daughters down at 3-Arch Bay in Laguna beach spent 2 years aboard a assualt-LST on the Island hopping campaign all the way to Siapan.....he never talked about it. only found out about it when I attended his funeral with a very rightous Military send off....DANG!! what a history I could have gotten from him..if only I knew! But that's the way alot of the WWII vets rolled...they did the job, came home and just went about having a life....can you imagine? Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 08:12 AM (Khl3H) Hey Richard. I had an uncle who was with the 27th Inf. Div. and did not make it off Saipan alive. Was your uncle with the Marines or the Army?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 04:23 AM (XkWWK)

185 Teej, ah your firmware upload in the Cherry 2000 hardware architecture via data port.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 04:23 AM (znavB)

186 #170 sven10077

You know, I am a Boomer, but because my parents married late my sisters and I have more of the WWII generation mindset than a lot of our contemporaries.

So does my husband, who was born as a surprise when his mother was 45 and his dad was 49. It's probably why we get on so well together. No whining is allowed.

I can't help but think that the emphasis on talking as a qualification for the presidency has not worked well. We are letting the TV people set the standards for leadership, and we see how well this has worked. An analogy would be if we allowed Hollywood to set the admission standards for med school.

I propose other tests for the primaries. Shooting and chainsaw operation would be two that come to mind.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 04:24 AM (GoIUi)

187 In honor of the apple cider discussion above;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u56R_qHTLVI

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at January 14, 2013 04:24 AM (KAWvv)

188 175 Bevel L,

Oh I get that the potential is there. You and I have had good discussions on the implosion of Ivanfest and you know my PoV on command economies, BUT the Chinese are more flexible and driven on will to power than the Soviets were. I never counted on a Military industrial Complex that couldn't produce socks for its troops not being a threat if they put their mind to it and when i try to put myself in China's potential shoes I can see a LOT of potential for raising hell.

One thing I'd be working on quick is building up a 45,000 man amphibious punitive expeditionary force.

I think I'd call it the "Marines."

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 04:24 AM (LRFds)

189 One child was supposed to have expired already. They chose to continue it.

Of course. Nobody's making new urban real estate, and China has a big urban migration going on like the US had in the 1930's.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 14, 2013 04:24 AM (BNacf)

190 You knew on Friday that you weren't going to make the schedule. Make a fucking phone call assholes. *rant off* Here. Have this ravage.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 14, 2013 04:24 AM (VtjlW)

191
173 147 BC1981,

Sounds like it sucks, depending on relationship you should probably sue their asses after you don't need them.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 08:19 AM (LRFds)

No real case. The only injury we suffer is about 1 1/2 wasted time for 3 men. The shit thing is that my guys have to sit at home and that these guys are assholes for not calling on Friday and letting us know the schedule was changed.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 14, 2013 04:25 AM (da5Wo)

192 186 Miss Marple,

Yup.

I'll just post that as response because I have nothing to add.

Congrats that doesn't happen often.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 04:25 AM (LRFds)

193 For BCochran, the Cherry 2000 trailer
http://youtu.be/kckEEQKXaCU

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 04:27 AM (znavB)

194 Here. Have this ravage.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 14, 2013 08:24 AM (VtjlW)

I wouldn't sully Polly, Chopper or Rippers claws with these idiots.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 14, 2013 04:27 AM (da5Wo)

195

165

I am trying to get my days for 600, yet every filming season...I become more

well..not trying to shoot myself in the foot....but.....fuck!!!

This is one fucking HELL of an industry to get into unless your name is "Speilberg!"

I do bitch some...no?

Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 04:27 AM (Khl3H)

196 I can't help but think that the emphasis on talking as a qualification for the presidency has not worked well. We are letting the TV people set the standards for leadership, and we see how well this has worked. An analogy would be if we allowed Hollywood to set the admission standards for med school.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 08:24 AM (GoIUi)

I've long contended that the Nixon/Kennedy debates shaved a significant amount off of the nation's IQ and set us on the path to dumbfuckery where we've ended up.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 04:28 AM (02Cu4)

197 Rounding up and imprisoning thousands of innocent citizens is NOT a Conservative value.

The first Conservative that had an impact on my life was a retired Marine Corp Colonel who taught AP History. He was against it.

Posted by: Al at January 14, 2013 04:29 AM (V70Uh)

198 when i try to put myself in China's potential shoes I can see a LOT of potential for raising hell. But that's based upon an incomplete picture. Maybe China is an economic powerhouse, but what we know for certain is that any negative news is hidden from us. The more negative, the more they will suplress knowledge of it. Personally, my guess is the Chinese leadership is sitting atop some giant problems with their currency, employment, and probably more unrest than we hear about.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 14, 2013 04:30 AM (uhAkr)

199 195 Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 08:27 AM (Khl3H) Been in show biz going on 30 years now. Made some sheckels and have been lucky, but nowhere near enough to retire on (hence the dual career track in advertising). By the way, see my post at 184. Can you tell me more about your uncle?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 04:30 AM (XkWWK)

200 JJ, I am sorry you had to endure the "fracking causes earthquakes" idiots.

The people who spout this nonsense clearly have not read the science. They only read left-wing freakout stories about the eeeeeeeeeevils of fracking. And/or watch Matt Damon movies.

Next time your relatives spout off about fracking/earthquakes, ask them what they think about CCS (carbon capture and storage), aka carbon sequestration. It's a way to reduce CO2 in the atmosphere. Of course the physics behind it is remarkably similar to fracking - it involves injecting a fluid deep underground, just in the case of CCS, the fluid is supercritical carbon dioxide. But your typical leftie numbnut won't know the two are related, just that "fracking causes earthquakes" and "we have to sequester the CO2 out of the atmosphere before we all BURN UP AND DIE".

Posted by: chemjeff at January 14, 2013 04:30 AM (BBWjt)

201 The civilian Chinese economy seems more like a chaos than command economy.

I could never have gotten on a plane, flown to the Soviet Union, wandered around and found some factory willing to produce whatever and have a container full of stuff show up in a US port a few months later.

Its harder for a foreigner to contract with a US manufacturer and get stuff delivered from the US.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 14, 2013 04:30 AM (BNacf)

202

If you want good...and I mean *good*...higher alcohol beer and either your state won't allow it (ahem, SC) or you don't like what's in the grocery store, make your own. I've been homebrewing for many years and the average joe can make beer that tastes much better than even the craft brews.

I have a 10% double IPA sitting in a secondary fermenter now getting dry-hopped. When done I'll put it into a cornelius keg, force carbonate it, and toss it in my kegerator.

If you can boil water, you can brew your own beer.

Posted by: JohnTant at January 14, 2013 04:31 AM (tVWQB)

203 198 Bevel L,

No doubt. Healthy nations do not need to use artillery on villages in their own borders. That said I am not counting on their command economy fucktardery to stop them.

Our budding command economy fucktardery is not stopping us so far.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 04:32 AM (LRFds)

204 Every time my blood pressure goes up after an idiotic comment from the likes of Chuck Schumer, Biden, Reid or any other imbecile in DC, I shut my eyes and go to a happy place. I'm back in time, driving up to a gas station in Milan, Italy. Wow, says I, what are those two objects hanging from the awning. It looks like ...

Posted by: Bill at January 14, 2013 04:32 AM (xFYVW)

205
193 For BCochran, the Cherry 2000 trailer
http://youtu.be/kckEEQKXaCU

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 08:27 AM (znavB)

1) Man I love the 80's

2) Laurence Fishburn????

3) Melanie Griffith looks damn good

4) Man I love the 80's

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 14, 2013 04:32 AM (da5Wo)

206 If there are an infinite number of alternative universes, none exist where I care one iota about anything having to do with Jodie Foster. Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 08:22 AM (02Cu4) Good Mornin rons. It's another beautiful day here in S/E NC.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 14, 2013 04:33 AM (l86i3)

207 The Chinese know how to deal with Muslims. I am posting from China now. Anybody ever been out Xinjiang way? The wild , wild west of China, up against the Stans? I was there back in 07. It is Muslim city out there. Now I have met a few generals in my time in China. All the military bases are hidden/unseen here by the general public. You never see them army guys back east in Guangdong province until a workers riot breaks out. But out in Xinjiang it is tanks, rockets, artillery and shells piled up every which a way. It is obvious. They have this road..the Karakaroum highway if my spelling/memory is correct. Runs all the way down thru china into paki down to islamabad. I been on the Chinese side,unlike the Paki side it is paved. They put that in to get tanks up close to the border. Hired a guy once to take me up to the Wakjahir passÂ…the spot where Afghanistan touches China like a long bony finger of death along a mountain range. I just wanted to see where our boys were fighting. It is not an official border crossing, and one is likely to get their ass shot off from being there. Chi-com Troops everywhere. It is not an arduous hike, I looked at it thru binoculars from a mountainside to avoid troops, questions, imprisonment and torture and got the hell out of there. I liked it out there in Xinjiang. My wife is Han Chinese but born in Xinjiang. I had a ball out there. The food was great, a lot of sheep meat on skewers.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 14, 2013 04:33 AM (kLs5Y)

208 200 Posted by: chemjeff at January 14, 2013 08:30 AM (BBWjt) Jeez, relatives?! Good Lord, NO! College friends. But the mind-numbing is strong with them. They are lost to this world. Thanks for this info. In any case, why the hell do we even give a shit about CO2? I thought it was plant food?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 04:34 AM (XkWWK)

209 Orin Kerr at The Volokh Conspiracy has a pretty good rundown of the charges against Swartz.

Posted by: Aaron at January 14, 2013 04:34 AM (Tlix5)

210 201 PA,

They are no longer a communist nation, they are a totalitarian capitalism with the only controls being a gun at the back of the head being "stop."

I do not know what precisely they are evolving in to, but I do know that an America that loves sucking Obama's dick cannot handle it.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 04:34 AM (LRFds)

211 Well, that sounds right Anna but when you talk all computery and stuff it goes right over my head. Let's just say I'm all guy and would proceed accordingly. "Rare Earth". Saw them open for Fleeteood Mac when FM was 3 piece. At the HIC. navycopjoe knows the place. RE did the best version of I'm Losing You. Well, my favorite anyway.

Posted by: teej at January 14, 2013 04:35 AM (8Jp6C)

212 Mornin' all. Twix and coffee. Breakfast of champions.

Posted by: RWC at January 14, 2013 04:35 AM (fWAjv)

213 Morning OSP. Temps are lower and its raining here.

http://youtu.be/oFPZzmfu6j4

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 04:35 AM (znavB)

214 No real case. The only injury we suffer is about 1 1/2 wasted time for 3 men. The shit thing is that my guys have to sit at home and that these guys are assholes for not calling on Friday and letting us know the schedule was changed.
Posted by: BCochran1981

That's what I like about the new and improved communication abilities that we have in this country. We can email, tweet, twit, skype, snipe and whatever else, but make a phone call when needed? I don't think so.

Posted by: Bruce at January 14, 2013 04:35 AM (D/OWC)

215 JJ, oh, sorry about getting your dinner associates mixed up

Posted by: chemjeff at January 14, 2013 04:35 AM (BBWjt)

216 207 Judge Roy Bean,

Judge you would get a lot of hits if you took photos of the areas highlighted in Romance of the Three Kingdoms and made a virtual atlas....

One of my goals is to see red Wall and Guangzhi before I die.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 04:36 AM (LRFds)

217 207 Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 14, 2013 08:33 AM (kLs5Y) Great stories. What do you do, if I may axe you, that takes you to the outer limits?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 04:36 AM (XkWWK)

218 #196 You know your total lack of interest in Jodie Foster? Well, you can trace the ignorance of the American people in celebrity news. Consider these milestones:

1. 1950's Movie fan magazines are considered "trash" and have to be sneaked into homes by teenagers desperate for Elvis news.

2. 1960's Fan magazines such as "Tiger Beat" appear nationally and are considered harmless fun for teens obsessed with the British invasion invasion.

3. Early 1970's Time Magazine introduces the "People" section with short celebrity items on its last page.

4. Mid-1970's People Magazine debuts with an entire magazine devoted to celebrities

5. 1990's People starts issuing special editions devoted to just one celebrity or event.

See how this goes? We now live in Kardashian world, three sisters who got famous because their father got a celebrity murderer off and are themselves supremely untalented except in sspending money, sleeping around, and being on TV yakking about their totally inconsequential lives.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 04:37 AM (GoIUi)

219 211 RE did the best version of I'm Losing You. Well, my favorite anyway. Posted by: teej at January 14, 2013 08:35 AM (8Jp6C) Partial to Rod and Small Faces version, but RE have one helluva great sound.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 04:38 AM (XkWWK)

220

To add: the key to making a *good* higher alcohol beer is to use enough malt to give the brew a good malty structure. That means using the correct yeast. If you are using a high-alcohol yeast then it will keep going until you hit 15% or so. Using a normal strain of ale or lager yeast means the yeast will peter out before it converts all the sugar to alcohol. That's usually around the 10-12% range. If you have enough malt in there (and, of course, use hops correctly) the higher alcohol won't detract from the taste of the beer.

If a brewer is just looking to goose the alcohol content by adding corn sugar into the brew, it's going to have an off taste. 100% malt, baby.

Posted by: JohnTant at January 14, 2013 04:39 AM (tVWQB)

221 3) Melanie Griffith looks damn good

One of the funniest Whoreyweird stories I've heard is when she had work done on her cannz in the middle of filming "Bonfire of the Vanities".

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 04:39 AM (02Cu4)

222 215 JJ, oh, sorry about getting your dinner associates mixed up Posted by: chemjeff at January 14, 2013 08:35 AM (BBWjt) No worries. I would have totally smoked them just on things I read on WUWT and Lord Monckton, but they just talk over me and not let me get a word in edge-wise. How else can they "win" an argument?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 04:39 AM (XkWWK)

223 One of the best covers. Bangles - Hazy Shade of Winter.
http://youtu.be/zG9PVucS9aw

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 04:40 AM (znavB)

224 If there are an infinite number of alternative universes, none exist where I care one iota about anything having to do with Jodie Foster. Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 08:22 AM (02Cu4) How about one where Harvey Keitel slaps her around good in "Taxi Driver?"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 04:41 AM (XkWWK)

225 The Scwartz thing? I kind of feel bad for the kid. He was a savant who no doubt was prompted by a gaggle of 60 year old pony tailed academics that filled his otherwise brilliant head full of shit. When he went down they no doubt abandoned him. I wish he had chosen a path to the basement at Langly hacking Chinese and Russian military computers. As a matter of fact, that's the plea deal I would have cut with him had OSP been in charge.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 14, 2013 04:41 AM (l86i3)

226 Hey, where's Mary Poppins this morning? We need a good Hollywood drunk/sex story.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 04:42 AM (XkWWK)

227 Guys, I am a consultant. See here..for some photos from China. http://www.thefabricatornetwork.com/Forum/tabid/164/aft/259520/Default.aspx Let me know if the link works

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 14, 2013 04:42 AM (kLs5Y)

228 How about one where Harvey Keitel slaps her around good in "Taxi Driver?"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 08:41 AM (XkWWK)

Anything short of a Cleveland Steamer is insufficient.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 04:43 AM (02Cu4)

229 227 Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 14, 2013 08:42 AM (kLs5Y) Need a password to get in. Consultant, eh?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 04:44 AM (XkWWK)

230 201 The civilian Chinese economy seems more like a chaos than command economy. China is currently operating under a Marxist's understanding of Capitalism - a system of lawlessness and exploitation. What centralization exists exist to protect the regime. The goal here is to lay the material foundations for Communism ( as defined by Marx as the end of history). Both Russia and China had the same problem - they were feudal states, and as any good Marxist cleric knows, feudalism must give rise to capitalism, then communism. You can't skip. So the question was, how to go from feudalism to communism. Option 1 (which Lenin favored after his world revolution failed to materialize) was to bring in a controlled capitalism. It would build the factories and the proletariat could take over and brutally murder the capitalists in their sleep. Option 2 (which Stalin favored) was Socialism - having a centralized government build the factories and brutally murdering all the current-day captalists. The Soviets chose option 2, and China (after trying out Mao's batshit insane theories) are going with option 1.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 14, 2013 04:44 AM (uhAkr)

231 If a brewer is just looking to goose the alcohol content by adding corn sugar into the brew, it's going to have an off taste. 100% malt, baby.
Posted by: JohnTant

The high alcohol beers that I tried were a similar to Duvel which I think is about 8.5. I didn't really get a good flavor, just alcohol. Which OTC ones would you recommend?

You know. Just for research info

Posted by: Bruce at January 14, 2013 04:44 AM (D/OWC)

232 jody foster is a LESBIAN? are you kidding me?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 14, 2013 04:44 AM (GVxQo)

233 #227 Link requires a password.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 04:44 AM (GoIUi)

234 228 Anything short of a Cleveland Steamer is insufficient. Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 08:43 AM (02Cu4) Alabama Hot Pocket. And that is my last reference to The Aristocrats. WAY too early, even for this bunch!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 04:44 AM (XkWWK)

235 We now live in Kardashian world, three sisters who got famous because their father got a celebrity murderer off and are themselves supremely untalented except in sspending money, sleeping around, and being on TV yakking about their totally inconsequential lives.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 08:37 AM (GoIUi)

Actually worse than that. Kim Kardashion got famous for her XXX rated home video that went viral on the internet.

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 04:45 AM (53z96)

236 I always liked Jodie Foster. She made her movies and lived her life. I don't recall her swinging her legs from a communist tank bad mouthing her country.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 14, 2013 04:45 AM (l86i3)

237 PG, it was truly a Bad News Freaky Friday.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 14, 2013 04:45 AM (znavB)

238

199

Have to go to my cousins to get better details if Uncle Chuck kept any, saw a couple of pictures of his ship anchored off some atoll near some marine invasion stop near the Bogenville? Bad things happened there...I will try to flesh this place out further....seems a place where the fighting was pretty visious

Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 04:45 AM (Khl3H)

239 236 I always liked Jodie Foster. She made her movies and lived her life. I don't recall her swinging her legs from a communist tank bad mouthing her country. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 14, 2013 08:45 AM (l86i3) Give it time...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 04:46 AM (XkWWK)

240 230 BL,

Yup dead on.

The thing is that the Chinese are I suspect not ever going to give a fuck about the 'good" parts of worker's paradise and as such they are simply the worst sort of vulture "capitalists."

Gonna be fun watching the show anyway.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 14, 2013 04:46 AM (LRFds)

241 I liked Rod's version too. On "Every Picture Tells a Story" I think?

Posted by: teej at January 14, 2013 04:47 AM (W50F+)

242 Work time is upon me. So off I go.

I wll catch some of you on a later thread.

Have a good day!

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 04:47 AM (GoIUi)

243 Monty DOOM up!

Posted by: Vic at January 14, 2013 04:47 AM (53z96)

244 238 Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 08:45 AM (Khl3H) Thanks. It's been kind of an obsession with me to keep my uncle's spirit alive. Anyway, he was with the 27th Inf. Div., 105th Inf. Reg. and saw action on Makin and Saipan.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 04:47 AM (XkWWK)

245 ...huh, imagine that...

Posted by: John Hinkley at January 14, 2013 04:47 AM (uhAkr)

246 Posted by: Miss Marple at January 14, 2013 08:47 AM (GoIUi) Go get em Miss Marple.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 14, 2013 04:47 AM (l86i3)

247 Posted by: JohnTant at January 14, 2013 08:39 AM (tVWQB)

You sound like you really know what you're doing but I think you're discounting what the breweries do when you say that the average joe can make beer that tastes much better than even the craft brews. I've had some home brews from guys I know and, even though they're quite tasty, they don't measure up to what I can buy.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 04:48 AM (02Cu4)

248 well JJ next time the subject comes up, just direct them to this study

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=13355

it basically shows that the danger of earthquakes due to fracking is pretty low, but the danger of earthquakes due to CCS is way higher

Posted by: chemjeff at January 14, 2013 04:49 AM (BBWjt)

249

248

Dude!

Why are we both up this early?.....I thought we were ONT anchors?

Or am I just to drunk to realize the obvious?....or maybe not drunk enough?

Posted by: Richard at January 14, 2013 04:56 AM (Khl3H)

250 Sorry Miss Marple, Can I post pix on here? How do you do that?

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 14, 2013 04:57 AM (kLs5Y)

251 Purp, "They're playing a 50-100 year game in Africa. Someday the colonial shocks will subside and Africa will get (relatively) unfucked, and they want the be the ones there when it happens.", I think Africa has a series of major shocks coming. One of which is the devolvment of the colonial borders - which is already in process in the lakes region. Nobody in Africa trusts the Chinese, but they are willing to take their cash, I don't see it turning out well for the Chinese.

Posted by: Jean at January 14, 2013 05:00 AM (ZSnCv)

252 248 Posted by: chemjeff at January 14, 2013 08:49 AM (BBWjt) Thanks. If I do show them, I'll just be called a racist denier or something.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:00 AM (XkWWK)

253 I think the Kitteh of the Day is "Puss N Boots" from the Shrek films, and not an actually kitteh.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 14, 2013 05:03 AM (xjpRj)

254 The high alcohol beers that I tried were a similar to Duvel which I think is about 8.5. I didn't really get a good flavor, just alcohol. Which OTC ones would you recommend?

You know. Just for research info

Posted by: Bruce at January 14, 2013 08:44 AM

I am partial to the Dogfish Head 90 minute IPA. I think that's hitting around 10%. The thing is they do a 90 minute boil of the wort during the brewing process, during which they add a buttload of hops. The longer the boil = the better the hop utilization is.

Rogue Brewing makes some pretty good ones too, but some are definitely offbeat.

Posted by: JohnTant at January 14, 2013 05:05 AM (eytER)

255 @ Miss Marple...the website is www.thefabricatornetwork.com Join..its free. Under a section called the swamp (members only) there is a pinned section up top called "FAbnet T sighting" of my exploits with photos. BTW, a guy named Tom M introduced me to this site, so its a small world afterall.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 14, 2013 05:06 AM (kLs5Y)

256 I've had some home brews from guys I know and, even though they're quite tasty, they don't measure up to what I can buy.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 08:48 AM

The homebrewer has an advantage because he gets the beer much fresher than you can get at the store. The freshness is pretty key, I think. You are also in complete control of the brewing. If you think Sam Adams could use a little extra hop aroma/flavor to it, you can make a clone and add more hops at the end of the boil and/or dry hop it. If you really like Sierra Nevada's Pale Ale but think the original 1982 recipe was better, you can make it. If you can't find a bottle of Pliny the Elder to save your life, you can make a reasonable cloned batch of five gallons.

And the best beer in the world is the one you've made.

Posted by: JohnTant at January 14, 2013 05:09 AM (eytER)

257 Btw, now that this thread is dead, I'd like to congratulate Slick for having left Clot's bedside to make a "surprise" appearance at the Golden Globes last night. The number of bruised ass cheeks from the predator's appreciation of the female form must be in double digits as his already shaky lack of self-control can't be getting better with age. Maybe he got "lucky"with Julianne Moore since a picture of her looks like she had a facelift that went horribly wrong. Or maybe a remake of "Brazil" is in the works...

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 14, 2013 05:13 AM (02Cu4)

258 Let's have a scheduled Medicare shutdown for maintenance, in the month of February. One short 28 day month. We can clean all the offices, polish the software until it gleams, get the check printers or ACH file generators in primo shape, give all the employees a chance for some zen self examination and then return the machinery to full operation, newly recharged and sparkling with energetic good will. It'll all be fun and happy. Pony rides for all!

Posted by: MTF at January 14, 2013 05:26 AM (+GpbP)

259 30 21 'I'll see your 50 and drop you to 38 in SO-CAL....yes SO-CAL!!

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At the moment, it's 17 up here in the SoCal desert.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 14, 2013 05:30 AM (1c58W)

260

Since this IS Politico ou are quoting, the odds are great that the so-called unnamed Republican is in fact a Republican for the article only, ie. some hack Democrat operative.

Posted by: lonetown at January 14, 2013 05:32 AM (7EyL4)

261 Or it could be 'Latourette's Syndrome', the new pretender to the 'Dr. Evil title'

Posted by: cardinal fang at January 14, 2013 05:35 AM (Jsiw/)

262

Swartz was a HAcker, he was associated with criminal hacker groups. He was an activist who wired his property into the MIT phone exchange and stole literally millions of copyrighted intellectual material.

Was it 35 years? The hacking laws are overly strict, IMO, but then again, what if a few years down the road Swartz started thinking that the Stock Market should be shared with everyone, or the Federal Reserve?

He was ectremely highly intelligent and for him to be ignorant of the laws he was breaking and was so distraught that he committed suicide sounds like a story from a shocked and greiving family.

Posted by: Bannable at January 14, 2013 05:51 AM (QBDoj)

263 Eh. We're going to be blamed anyway. Let's be guilty.

Personally, I support the Ridley Plan: Washington? Take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Rich Fader at January 14, 2013 05:50 PM (MqAMS)

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