January 02, 2013

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— Gabriel Malor

Happy Wednesday.

Rep. Paul Ryan on why he voted for the fiscal cliff deal: "I came to Congress to make tough decisions - not to run away from them." Alright, then. Two months from now he'll have another tough decision to make when the sequester cuts come due again. We're also due to run into the debt ceiling sometime between now and then.

The House has put off a vote on the Senate's bloated Sandy relief bill. House leadership had planned to confront it in two stages, with a scaled-back $21 billion bill just including things like actual Sandy relief, which was expected to have broad GOP support, and a $33 billion amendment including the Senate's pork, like money for fisheries in Alaska, which most of the GOP congressmen would vote against. I've heard it said that "emergency" legislation like this should be considered "must-pass," since it looks so bad not to, but that sounds like so much RINO bullshit to me.

A hacker group is claiming that it has stolen the entire subscriber list to the Lower Hudson Journal News, the paper that published the names and addresses of gun owners, and then posted the subscribers names, email addresses, passwords, and home addresses online. William Jacobson has the details.

Back to the fiscal cliff, there's a lot of moaning about Republicans "paying the price" for yesterday's fiscal cliff drama, by which I mean not just the vote, but also the all-day Three Stooges routine put on by the House GOP. I don't think that's true. Most GOP members get to go back to their districts and say they voted against the plan, which will no doubt please their majority-GOP constituents. The ones that voted for the plan were already on solid ground in their more purple districts. They get to go back and say they averted tax hikes for their constituents.

Each of these two categories of Republican congressmen are going to count their actions as qualified victories when they seek reelection. So, of course, neither group has much incentive to change anything about the way they acted the next time around. Did I mention the sequester and debt ceiling debates are just around the corner?

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1 Good Morning Morons.  Today is Wednesday, January 02, 2013.  On this day in 1860 the discovery of a small planet between Mercury and the Sun which was named Vulcan.

It was an attempt to explain peculiarities of Mercury's orbit. In the 19th-century French mathematician Urbain Jean Joseph Le Verrier hypothesized that they were the result of another planet, which he named Vulcan. No such planet was ever found because Spock hid it, and Mercury's orbit has now been explained by Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 02:55 AM (53z96)

2 What Fox has to say about that sell-out last night.


Congress gave its final approval Tuesday to a bill halting massive tax hikes and delaying a risky round of spending cuts, sending the package to the presidentÂ’s desk and likely averting for now an economy-stalling fiscal crisis. President Obama said he would sign it.


http://is.gd/COqdW8

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 02:55 AM (53z96)

3 House does not pass the $60B pork bill named after Sandy.

http://is.gd/lY9QZE

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 02:56 AM (53z96)

4 About those tax hikes for the “rich”. If you make between 50K and 200K you are “rich”.

http://is.gd/ezZNHT

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 02:56 AM (53z96)

5 No cliff for Hollywood either.

http://is.gd/0unXGX

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 02:56 AM (53z96)

6 Kathy Griffin kisses Anderson CooperÂ’s balls.  Just think what she would do for Obama.

http://is.gd/0Mee5h

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 02:57 AM (53z96)

7 How about some incredibly biased lies from an AK paper?

Alaska is going rogue on climate change.
Defiant as ever, the state that gave rise to Sarah Palin is bucking the mainstream yet again: While global temperatures surge hotter and the ice-cap crumbles, the nation's icebox is getting even icier.


Who says global temps are surging hotter?  Liars say that and AK is not the only State getting cooler. Here in SC actual measured high temps ranged a total of 5.1° colder than last year.

http://is.gd/VmuMtC

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 02:57 AM (53z96)

8 House Republicans are looking for someone to take BonerÂ’s place.

http://is.gd/moqWtz

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 02:57 AM (53z96)

9 75W bulbs are now gone in that POS worthless law.

http://is.gd/JOH58M

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 02:57 AM (53z96)

10 The “milk fix” is not fixedÂ….yet.  As I said previously this is all bull shit.  All it would take is a separate bill that says no price supports for milk period.

http://is.gd/BKGHEk

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 02:58 AM (53z96)

11 DC cop was fired for getting a public BJ.  Stupid judge orders him rehired with ten years of back pay.  I say fire the judge too.

http://is.gd/Jz3xQi

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 02:58 AM (53z96)

12 DAY 57 1,403 to go Mayans, Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, miscreants, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mariuoli, meeskeits, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 02:58 AM (XkWWK)

13 Thomas Sowell discusses why Republicans deserved to loose the 2012 election.

http://is.gd/sEgjQi

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 02:58 AM (53z96)

14 Kindle Daily Deals

http://is.gd/oSrKyd


One of those looks interesting.

In a post-apocalyptic world where the earth is buried by asteroid dust that has mutated the DNA of some humans, being different is downright dangerous.



And thatÂ’s it for Wednesday, January 02, 2013.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 02:59 AM (53z96)

15 75W bulbs are now gone in that POS worthless law. -------------------------------------------------------- When 75 watt lightbulbs are outlawed only outlaws will have 75 watt lightbulbs.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 02, 2013 02:59 AM (jucos)

16 Good Morning Vic and Good Morning JJ. I see that Teh JEF is jetting back off to Hawaii after curb stomping the repukes. Swell.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 02, 2013 03:00 AM (jucos)

17 Killing the WH travel budget would be a sure fire win for saving money.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 03:02 AM (53z96)

18 Yiddish Word of the Day: "Drek" - Human dung, feces, manure or excrement; inferior merchandise or work; insincere talk or excessive flattery Related expressions: "Drek auf dem teller" - Mean spirited, valueless Lit. 'crap on a plate.' "Drek mit Leber" - Absolutely nothing; it's not worth anything.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:03 AM (XkWWK)

19 The GOP will fold on sequestration. SCOAMF already got them to raise taxes and the GOP won't want to be the party that gets blamed for cutting the military. No Republican that matters has a spine to hold the line on the debt limit.

Posted by: CDR M at January 02, 2013 03:04 AM (dKV5k)

20 Last night, Darth Vader came down from planet Vulcan, and told me that if I didn't take Lorraine out, that he'd melt my brain.

Posted by: George McFly at January 02, 2013 03:04 AM (hO8IJ)

21 16 Good Morning Vic and Good Morning JJ. I see that Teh JEF is jetting back off to Hawaii after curb stomping the repukes. Swell. Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 02, 2013 07:00 AM (jucos) He's had his "Akaka" moment.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:04 AM (XkWWK)

22 "Drek" is what got reelected in Nov. 

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 03:05 AM (53z96)

23 Fox News just sneaked in a sound bite from that smarmy cocksucker who is squatting in the White House.

My God! I hate that man.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 02, 2013 03:05 AM (GsoHv)

24 75 W bulbs are gone too now?  sheesh.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 02, 2013 03:05 AM (BBWjt)

25 @15

Well you can't have a new dark age if it isn't, you know, dark!




GIRD!

LOINS!

SOME ASSEMBLY RECQUIRED!

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 03:06 AM (RrD4h)

26 When 75 watt lightbulbs are outlawed only outlaws will have 75 watt lightbulbs.

We can still possess them, we just can't legally manufacture or import new ones.

Except unlike "we can't legally manufacture or import methamphetamines" this ban actually worked.  Fuck.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 03:06 AM (hO8IJ)

27 24 Posted by: chemjeff at January 02, 2013 07:05 AM (BBWjt) In January of next year you can say goodbye to 60 watt bulbs. And this was not the Dems doing. This time you reall can blame Bush. He signed that stupid bill. There is a company in Germany that got around the ban there by selling incandescent bulbs packaged as "Novelty Heat Bulbs," with a warning not to stare at them because they emit lightwaves that can damage the eye. Brilliant. I think I smell a business opportunity.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:08 AM (XkWWK)

28 I'm tired of being sick and tired of this SCOAMF

Posted by: Yip at January 02, 2013 03:08 AM (/jHWN)

29 Rubio and Paul voted no. Good to know and remember.

Posted by: Jmel at January 02, 2013 03:08 AM (9tSXa)

30 @24

If you have been going to home depot as often as have been over the last year or so you could see the handwriting on the wall.


Most of the compact fluroescents  and led bulbs offer themselves as 60watt or lower replacements.

Any 75-100 watt equivelent replacement was exorbinantly expensive.


Our betters truly want us to be in the cold and the dark and want us to have crappy low flow toilets and low flow showers and basically want life to be miserable.


Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 03:10 AM (RrD4h)

31 Oh, our economy, she's a-tanking While Republicans get a spanking And we got no other place to turn... Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn!

Posted by: NR Pax at January 02, 2013 03:10 AM (1ml8s)

32 Internet:1  LHJN:0

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 02, 2013 03:11 AM (hc3eM)

33 We have a factory here in SC that still makes 100W bulbs.  They are labeled as "industrial use"


http://is.gd/EmQEyq

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 03:12 AM (53z96)

34 30 Our betters truly want us to be in the cold and the dark and want us to have crappy low flow toilets and low flow showers and basically want life to be miserable. Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 07:10 AM (RrD4h) At some point, the American people are going to reach a breaking point (frog-in-pot-of-water metaphor notwithstanding). It is going to get ugly. Or will it? Sheesh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:12 AM (XkWWK)

35 I don't hold as much contempt for those that voted yes as I do the leadership in the House and Senate GOP that put this shit sandwich together for the rank and file to vote on.  The desire to fight fire with fire needs to exist in the leadership and just don't think I'm seeing it at all.   Am I being too harsh?

Posted by: Yip at January 02, 2013 03:13 AM (/jHWN)

36 House Republicans are looking for someone to take BonerÂ’s place.

http://is.gd/moqWtz

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 06:57 AM (53z96)



Do you think it's dawned on that weepy pile of shit why purging members of his own fucking party in the eleventh hour wasn't such a smart idea when he wanted his Plan B From Outer Space passed?  Jeenyus of strategery.  Somebody should lock him into his tanning booth when he's on his daily bender and just zap him into a pile of ash.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny 2013 return tour?) at January 02, 2013 03:14 AM (J11mV)

37 Database looks legit, the rag has just over 10k subscribers if it is complete. The passwords are in hex format. I'd recommend against attempting to log in to lohud with them.

Posted by: Not Ready to Unsock at January 02, 2013 03:14 AM (qw+yV)

38 35 I don't hold as much contempt for those that voted yes as I do the leadership in the House and Senate GOP that put this shit sandwich together for the rank and file to vote on. The desire to fight fire with fire needs to exist in the leadership and just don't think I'm seeing it at all. Am I being too harsh? Posted by: Yip at January 02, 2013 07:13 AM (/jHWN) Well, they voted "no" last week on the House bill so why not tell McConnell to go fuck himself this time around as well?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:15 AM (XkWWK)

39 Do you think it's dawned on that weepy pile of shit why purging members of his own fucking party in the eleventh hour wasn't such a smart idea when he wanted his Plan B From Outer Space passed? Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny 2013 return tour?) at January 02, 2013 07:14 AM (J11mV) === Nope. Do you?

Posted by: Not Ready to Unsock at January 02, 2013 03:15 AM (qw+yV)

40 Issa just on FandF and stated clearly that the House would not take up another divided vote, even for Sandy relief. He stated that the Senate loaded it up and then went home and that the failure is there's.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2013 03:16 AM (piMMO)

41 I tried the curly bulbs a few years back. Thinking they were better because they use less electricity, I put a few in the lamps in the family and living room. After a month, we were back to the 3 way incandescent ones. Trying to read with the curly bulbs is a bitch. Especially if you are older.
I have about 15 of the curlys left. Only are used for the 2 lights we keep on timers. That's about all they're good for.

Posted by: Bruce at January 02, 2013 03:17 AM (k+CnM)

42 "Drek mit Leber" - Absolutely nothing; it's not worth anything. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 07:03 AM (XkWWK) -------------------------------------------------------- My favorite yiddish saying. What's for dinner? My father in law would always say drek mit leber. I can still hear his voice.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 02, 2013 03:17 AM (jucos)

43 Stores in my neck of the woods have already been implementing the change, so out of necessity I've been replacing our burned out incandescent spotlights with the new kind. The new ones do seem to last longer but provide a different, less intense illumination, and have a brief warm-up period that leaves it rather dark for a half-minute or so when you first turn the switch on. Fortunately we haven't broken any yet, which I'm to understand requires something just short of a haz-mat unit to properly handle.

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 02, 2013 03:18 AM (bS6uW)

44 Try the "daylight" spectrum ones Bruce.  They're MUCH better than the yellowish "soft white".  Actually, they produce a whiter light than incandescent.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 02, 2013 03:19 AM (hc3eM)

45 There's something totally adorable about GOP members who are trying to oust Boehner saying they've got the numbers if only they could find a leader to actually do it. Uh, huh.

You heard it here first: Boehner will be Speaker after Thursday's vote.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 02, 2013 03:19 AM (jZUEZ)

46 Most of the compact fluroescents and led bulbs offer themselves as 60watt or lower replacements.

And they lie; depending on the brand they produce up to 25% less light as measured in lumens.  The output in lumens is right there on the package.  I don't know if consumers can't do the math or if they just prefer believing warm fuzzy lies about polar bears.

Our betters truly want us to be in the cold and the dark and want us to have crappy low flow toilets and low flow showers and basically want life to be miserable.

And seriously, I think less than a third of Americans will even notice the dark.  The rest don't do anything at night that requires light--they watch TV, play video games, sext, Facebook.  People who read, sew, build stuff in the garage or basement shop, even clean their bathrooms after a long day of earning wages for the government to confiscate--productive things that require light--we're a minority.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 03:19 AM (hO8IJ)

47 At some point, the American people are going to reach a breaking point (frog-in-pot-of-water metaphor notwithstanding).

It is going to get ugly. Or will it? Sheesh.

I don't think so.  We're sliding more into Brave New World than into 1984.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 02, 2013 03:19 AM (BBWjt)

48 Trying to read with the curly bulbs is a bitch. Especially if you are older.
I have about 15 of the curlys left. Only are used for the 2 lights we keep on timers. That's about all they're good for.

Posted by: Bruce at January 02, 2013 07:17 AM (k+CnM)


I don't have a problem reading with them on a Kindle with the font size dialed up.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 03:19 AM (53z96)

49 Oh, good Lord! Issa got a whiney "Why aren't you helping the, victims of SAAAANDY?" question on Fox ' n Friends. Would be perfectly happy to release funds to the victims, unfortunately, the bill the Senate gave us is 3 X as expensive and most of it, has jack-shit to to with actual Sandy victims! I may have been paraphrasing, a bit.

Posted by: Deety Chairwoman of the SOOC at January 02, 2013 03:20 AM (aOVhq)

50 Try the "daylight" spectrum ones Bruce. They're MUCH better than the yellowish "soft white". Actually, they produce a whiter light than incandescent.

Thanks, I'll give one a try. Right now I have a stash of the good bulbs that should last me about 5 years.

Shhhhhh.

Posted by: Bruce at January 02, 2013 03:21 AM (k+CnM)

51 The gist I got from that story is they have the votes to oust him but they can not get anyone else to take the job.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 03:21 AM (53z96)

52 Oh, and it's 5.9 Â°F right now.  The heat being produced by my lightbulbs?  It's not "waste heat."

*spit*

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 03:21 AM (hO8IJ)

53 41 Posted by: Bruce at January 02, 2013 07:17 AM (k+CnM) The curly bulbs suck for several reasons: 1 - the quality of the light is hideous. 2 - they only save you money if you keep them on and not shut them on and off repeatedly (otherwise known as normal operation). If you do that, it burns out much faster and you lose money because the cost of the bulb is so expensive in the first place. 3 - they contain toxic mercury. You break it and you release toxic solids AND vapor. And the enviro-fascists touted this "drek" as eco-friendly.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:22 AM (XkWWK)

54 Banning light bulbs = insanity. LIB

Posted by: eman at January 02, 2013 03:22 AM (EWsrI)

55 Informed, cogent and rational main blog post, especially by Internet standards. The district-by-district nature of the House is the key point, which is so obvious it often somehow is missed by the frothing at the mouth brigades. When push comes to shove Paul Ryan doesn't really give a rat's ass about what Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh and other talk radio monkeys think. Why should he? If you don't reside in a Representative's district you're irrelevant to him. Now, that said, of course this vote would be an issue for Ryan in connection with a GOP Prez primary. But perhaps not as much as people might reflexively think. Republican nominations over the past two decades have gone to the person who's considered the best general election candidate, with the opposition thereto being derived mostly from evangelicals, who don't care about such items as taxes and spending, and only respond to social issues, e.g. abortion. Romney. McCain. Bush. Dole. Bush. Not exactly a pantheon of fiscal conservatism. So Ryan's yea vote not only might not be fatal to his '16 chances it might not even be all that germane. Speaking of which, ultimately this entire dog & pony show was just that: a dog & pony show. It was politics, not policy. It didn't address the deficit. It couldn't have addressed the deficit. Social Security is off budget, but that accounting fiction won't change the fact that when it goes belly up it'll destroy the economy. This was pure political theatre. And some of the actors for the '16 play now have written their own lines for themselves. Rubio apparently will not allow himself to be outflanked on the right. Ryan apparently already is running to the middle. It remains to be seen how those strategies will play out.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at January 02, 2013 03:22 AM (r2PLg)

56 And they lie; depending on the brand they produce up to 25% less light as measured in lumens. The output in lumens is right there on the package. I don't know if consumers can't do the math or if they just prefer believing warm fuzzy lies about polar bears. ...... A 100w equivalent CFB is shockingly dim when compared to a 100w incandescent bulb.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2013 03:23 AM (piMMO)

57 I am pretty sure Issa never uttered the words "jack-shit" on international TV, but it was clear that he meant to.

Posted by: Deety Chairwoman of the SOOC at January 02, 2013 03:23 AM (aOVhq)

58 Think about it.... What 'sane' person wants to be anywhere near the krep that is going down in Washington right now, much less be in leadership. Anyone with any level of competence would do something else.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 02, 2013 03:24 AM (jucos)

59 Fortunately we haven't broken any yet, which I'm to understand requires something just short of a haz-mat unit to properly handle.
Posted by: Blacksheep

I'm sure that the bulbs will be disposed of properly also.

Posted by: Bruce at January 02, 2013 03:24 AM (k+CnM)

60 42 Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 02, 2013 07:17 AM (jucos) Appropriate for today. Sadly, every day it seems.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:24 AM (XkWWK)

61 The gist I got from that story is they have the votes to oust him but they can not get anyone else to take the job.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 07:21 AM (53z96)



Then get used to a steady diet of turd sammiches like we just experienced because that fucking rummy dunce is incapable of learning a damn thing.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny 2013 return tour?) at January 02, 2013 03:24 AM (J11mV)

62 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 03:26 AM (5DR1j)

63 Three dead bodies on January 1st. Happy New Year!

Posted by: dodging bullets in Chicago at January 02, 2013 03:26 AM (wx8cF)

64 JJ Sefton (34) will the American people ever actually get enough and stop this madness or is this just life from here on out? I fear the latter.

Posted by: AnnaS at January 02, 2013 03:27 AM (zfJo7)

65 Three dead bodies on January 1st. Happy New Year!
Posted by: dodging bullets in Chicago

I'm sure those will be the only three killed all year.

Posted by: Bruce at January 02, 2013 03:28 AM (k+CnM)

66

of these two categories of Republican congressmen are going to count their actions as qualified victories when they seek reelection.

 

And then they will be flabbergasted by the low turnout in 2014.  Dems will not have a low turnout problem.  That reelection is disappearing in the distance.

Posted by: Decaf at January 02, 2013 03:28 AM (TJQ3a)

67 64 Posted by: AnnaS at January 02, 2013 07:27 AM (zfJo7) See #47. :-(

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:29 AM (XkWWK)

68 Did the progtards ever stop to consider that the difference in price between a single incandescent and a CF bulb is nearly a weeks worth of bologna sandwiches to a poor person? The bone smokers are laughing about it on other sites. I guess it's okay to unnecessarily hurt the poor economically so long as it upsets conservatives as well.

Posted by: Not Ready to Unsock at January 02, 2013 03:29 AM (qw+yV)

69 At some point Chicago has to run out of bangers and drug dealers, right?  OK, maybe not...

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 02, 2013 03:29 AM (hc3eM)

70 I'm encouraged.  Why?  Because I just heard Jim Moran (D-runk) on the radio wailing about how this tax rise only solves 5% of the deficit problem (like he cares, but whatever) and that now the only place, the ONLY PLACE, to remedy that is spending cuts.  IOW, the tax hike isn't nearly large enough. 

His conclusion is all wrong, but he is correct about the deficit and the fact that this does nothing to solve it.  The Dems will be back looking for more hikes, but now the GOP can point to this vote and say "we gave you what you wanted, so don't ask for more".  People will remember this battle and agree with them.  Will it happen?  Yes, I think it will. 

For all the complaining about him, I think this was always Boehner's strategy, and it might work. 

Posted by: pep at January 02, 2013 03:29 AM (USJNU)

71 Hunger Games here we come.

Posted by: eman at January 02, 2013 03:30 AM (EWsrI)

72

You heard it here first: Boehner will be Speaker after Thursday's vote.

 

Gabe, is that like preferring to reign in hell rather than serve in heaven?

Posted by: Decaf at January 02, 2013 03:31 AM (TJQ3a)

73 Can anyone explain to me how yesterday's "fix" is any better than the actual fiscal cliff?  Tax rates theoretically remain unchanged (I'm unconvinced), but we didn't have a tax problem to begin with.  As much as we would have disliked a return to the Clinton rates, we would have survived (albeit, after another economic downturn).  However, spending didn't get addressed at all (except to be kicked down the road some more), which means (with tax rates on "the rich" going up) that we're actually going to keep increasing the deficits.

Wasn't the whole point of the fiscal cliff to force action on the deficit and debt?

How does that shameful capitulation yesterday address either?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 03:31 AM (5DR1j)

74 The bone smokers are laughing about it on other sites. I guess it's okay to unnecessarily hurt the poor economically so long as it upsets conservatives as well.

Posted by: Not Ready to Unsock at January 02, 2013 07:29 AM (qw+yV)



But the poor don't see it that way and continue to vote for the people that do that to them.  That's why they're poor.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny 2013 return tour?) at January 02, 2013 03:31 AM (J11mV)

75 We the Sheeple. Sad but true. The water is not yet at a rapid boil but is seems that all of us frogs are settled in pretty comfortably.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 02, 2013 03:32 AM (jucos)

76 70 For all the complaining about him, I think this was always Boehner's strategy, and it might work. Posted by: pep at January 02, 2013 07:29 AM (USJNU) LOL. But I do admire your flair for the fantastic.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:32 AM (XkWWK)

77 Yaaaay,   We get to do this again!   I'm so excited let me tell you.



In further end of the world news, the Cardinals are thinking of hiring Andy Reid?   Why?  What in the world are they thinking?  And isn't saying oh yeah it's going to be him a violation of some idiotic NFL kabuki rule about pretending to interview minority coaches before hiring the person everyone knows is going to get the job?


In other news, today is Wednesday.  I'm going to have to write myself a note to remember that.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at January 02, 2013 03:32 AM (Gk3SS)

78 Off topic, whatever that means around here, has anyone been to Quebec City?

Saw a bit about it on the travel channel (yes actual travel info instead of hunting ghosts or somebody stuffing 50 chicken wings in their face) and it look interesting. Hopefully, after a few false starts due to family health issues, the wife and I were heading to the east coast, Gloucester, to visit a good friend this fall. Thought about going to Niagara Falls after then ?? after that. Thought Quebec City might be interesting on the way to or from.
Is it worth a stop for a day or two?

Posted by: Bruce at January 02, 2013 03:33 AM (k+CnM)

79 75 We the Sheeple. Sad but true. The water is not yet at a rapid boil but is seems that all of us frogs are settled in pretty comfortably. Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 02, 2013 07:32 AM (jucos) A warm jacuzzi or a vat of tepid urine?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:33 AM (XkWWK)

80 The Dems will be back looking for more hikes, but now the GOP can point to this vote and say "we gave you what you wanted, so don't ask for more". People will remember this battle and agree with them. Will it happen? Yes, I think it will.

Sometimes a little naivety is nice in the morning.  Thanks for that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 03:34 AM (5DR1j)

81 The only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door. That's the only difference. Ralph Nader

Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 02, 2013 03:34 AM (G6kli)

82 A dem on the armed services committee was just on Fox talking the usual old line: Americans are demanding entitlements like social security so it is irresponsible not to hike taxes enough to pay for everything. Spending cuts are out of the question. These people are insane.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 02, 2013 03:34 AM (+paCV)

83 This is the national equivalent of operating a bulldozer while drinking heavily and taking one too many Xanax. What other conclusion can you come to, based upon the deadly combination of Democrat control of the Senate and the WH with a weak-kneed Speaker holding on to a tenuous GOP majority in the House?

Posted by: MTF at January 02, 2013 03:35 AM (R8Qio)

84 Curly bulb hack , get Y adapter from Home Depot. Put 2 bulbs in lamp. Read.

Posted by: Tmitsss at January 02, 2013 03:35 AM (0V5Zo)

85

Why should Repubs grant any Sandy relief at all?

 

Everything is political now.  Let blue domains solve their own problems.  No relief, no bailouts.  Eff them ALL.

 

Also, Paul Ryan is a tool and Marco Rubio is not particularly popular even here in FL.  Neither should be the nominee.  Just forget it already.

Posted by: njinfl at January 02, 2013 03:35 AM (Iis02)

86 At some point Chicago has to run out of bangers and drug dealers, right? OK, maybe not...
Posted by: @PurpAv

Not to worry. We have immigrants that are willing to do the jobs that Americans don't want to do.

Posted by: Bruce at January 02, 2013 03:35 AM (k+CnM)

87 80 The Dems will be back looking for more hikes, but now the GOP can point to this vote and say "we gave you what you wanted, so don't ask for more". People will remember this battle and agree with them. Will it happen? Yes, I think it will. Sometimes a little naivety is nice in the morning. Thanks for that. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 07:34 AM (5DR1j) Dude that was the Ecstasy talking. I think PHISH were NYC last night.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 02, 2013 03:35 AM (G6kli)

88 Did the progtards ever stop to consider that the difference in price between a single incandescent and a CF bulb is nearly a weeks worth of bologna sandwiches to a poor person?

1) Bologna?  I think you meant "organic free-range vegan hummus with roasted sun-dried red pepper."

2) Federal programs will fix it!  And create jobs!  Like the "free weatherization for poor people" in the stimulus bill and shit. 

3) See comment 46. You don't need light to watch TV and make babies.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 03:35 AM (hO8IJ)

89 AllenG I respectfully disagree; The people never remember anything.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 02, 2013 03:35 AM (+paCV)

90 How can I possibly be expected to embrace the " New Normal" if I am not allowed to do my happy dance and smear feces?

Posted by: Deety Chairwoman of theSOOC at January 02, 2013 03:36 AM (aOVhq)

91 The only curly things I like are: 1 - one of the Stooges 2 - French fries 3 - Desirée Cousteau's nether region

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:36 AM (XkWWK)

92 Curly bulb hack , get Y adapter from Home Depot. Put 2 bulbs in lamp. Read.

Can you put adapters into the adapters? Because after next year, nothing but 25W or less.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 03:37 AM (hO8IJ)

93 88 3) See comment 46. You don't need light to watch TV and make babies. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 07:35 AM (hO8IJ) Braille thighs. With arrows.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:37 AM (XkWWK)

94 AllenG I respectfully disagree; The people never remember anything.

Then you're not disagreeing with me.  I was quoting an earlier comment.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 03:37 AM (5DR1j)

95 @73

It doesn't but that was not the point of yesterdays exercise.

It was to break the GOP's no tax hike pledge by both the President, the Donks and the GOP establishment.

Paul Ryan and all of the "Fisc Cons" that voted for this POS are as dead to me as Dillinger.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 03:38 AM (RrD4h)

96 Braille thighs. With arrows.

So that's why European women don't shave.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 03:38 AM (5DR1j)

97

Boehner to Reid:  Go f@%K yourself.

Real Man to Reid:  Right cross to the jaw. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 02, 2013 03:39 AM (wbmaj)

98 92 Can you put adapters into the adapters? Because after next year, nothing but 25W or less. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 07:37 AM (hO8IJ) Saw a really cool light fixture made from Y-adapters and small 25 watt round bulbs. Looked sort of like a molecular model.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:39 AM (XkWWK)

99 Thought Quebec City might be interesting on the way to or from.
Is it worth a stop for a day or two?

Posted by: Bruce at January 02, 2013 07:33 AM (k+CnM)



Yes, it's like going to Europe on the cheap.  If you can afford it. stay in the Chateau Frontenac in the old part of the city near the waterfront (the inland part of the city is indistinguishable from any urban place; Mrs H and I stayed in one of their cheapest rooms and it was still really nice).  Two days should be sufficient to take everything in.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny 2013 return tour?) at January 02, 2013 03:39 AM (J11mV)

100 Then you're not disagreeing with me. I was quoting an earlier comment. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart Dammit, I can't be expected to actually read the thread. In that case it was a clever comment; Have you ever considered starting your own blog?

Posted by: Daybrother at January 02, 2013 03:40 AM (+paCV)

101 Politicians know collapse is coming, but the can can still be kicked. Move to a red State.

Posted by: eman at January 02, 2013 03:40 AM (EWsrI)

102 Where's Mary Poppins? I need a good golden age Hollywood story. With sex.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:42 AM (XkWWK)

103 Thank you Captain Hate. The Chateau Frontenac was what was recommended on the show. We were supposed to go to Germany this summer, but those plans got derailed (high speed) also.

Posted by: Bruce at January 02, 2013 03:43 AM (k+CnM)

104 I have both 60W incandescent and 60W equivalent curly bulbs.  The lumen rating on the CFLs is actually higher.  I was shocked

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 03:43 AM (53z96)

105 Burn it down? Or set fire to it? Can't say I care, anymore. Let it bleed.

Posted by: backhoe at January 02, 2013 03:43 AM (ULH4o)

106 Move to a red State.


Mitch Daniels leaves Indiana the fiscal envy of the Midwest

http://is.gd/zrqgEL

This is a horrible terrible thing that ruins the lives of the children, of course.



Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 03:44 AM (hO8IJ)

107 I downloaded that list of LHJN subscribers just to see if it was real: It is.

Posted by: Daybrother says LiB but is actually willing to fight at January 02, 2013 03:44 AM (+paCV)

108 my cfl that is only in my lamp for the last month burned out last night.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, Merry 8th day of Christmas at January 02, 2013 03:44 AM (GVxQo)

109 104 I have both 60W incandescent and 60W equivalent curly bulbs. The lumen rating on the CFLs is actually higher. I was shocked Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 07:43 AM (53z96) I assume a totally independent agency with no political affiliations whatsoever is doing unbiased testing.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:45 AM (XkWWK)

110 Malor is too smart by half. All these geniuses who say, "Yeah, but politically..." don't take into account that the sausage-making they think is so expedient yields only sausage toxic to reason and proportion. What's worse is the economic effect of raising taxes. Laws and sausages, laws and sausages...

Posted by: Thorvald at January 02, 2013 03:45 AM (1V6Pv)

111 my cfl that is only in my lamp for the last month burned out last night.....

Unpossible.  Those things last for years.  Scientific fact.

/Libtard:Off

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 03:45 AM (5DR1j)

112 68 Did the progtards ever stop to consider that the difference in price between a single incandescent and a CF bulb is nearly a weeks worth of bologna sandwiches to a poor person? Yes. They intend to extend the Universal Service Fee to peoples' electric bills so freeloaders can be given free Obamalights. Welcome to the USSA, comrade.

Posted by: Manolo at January 02, 2013 03:45 AM (PttbO)

113 I assume a totally independent agency with no political affiliations whatsoever is doing unbiased testing.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 07:45 AM (XkWWK)


Both were made in China.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 03:46 AM (53z96)

114 108 my cfl that is only in my lamp for the last month burned out last night..... Posted by: phoenixgirl, Merry 8th day of Christmas at January 02, 2013 07:44 AM (GVxQo) If you switch it on and off repeatedly, as most normal folks do with lamps, you destroy the longevity. It only lasts when you keep the damned thing burning for hours on end.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:47 AM (XkWWK)

115 Both were made in China. Posted by: Vic LOL I scared the cat!

Posted by: Daybrother at January 02, 2013 03:47 AM (+paCV)

116 Off topic, whatever that means around here, has anyone been to Quebec City? Yes. It's a great stop. Very historic, very scenic. Like being in Paris, w/o the muzzies. The old city is where you want to be/stay. (La Vie Quebec). See: Chateau Frontanec and tour the fort and walls. There was a decisive battle for US independence fought here by Benedict Arnold, when he was on our side. (A true bad-ass, BTW.) Read "Arundel," if you enjoy historical fiction. Also, Red Bull "Cracked Ice" makes a stop in Quebec City. f'ng crazy, that is...

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 02, 2013 03:47 AM (M0O7A)

117 113 Both were made in China. Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 07:46 AM (53z96) Moo goo gai light.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:47 AM (XkWWK)

118 Dr. Sowell lays it out for us: http://preview.tinyurl.com/aupr3em It really is inexplicable. Occam's razor requires, it almost seems to me sometimes, that we consider our GOP leaders to be merely the Commie-lite portion of the Commie-fag-junkie Complex. Why else would they do it?

Posted by: Thorvald at January 02, 2013 03:48 AM (1V6Pv)

119 You know what's really nice about 75 and 100 watt light bulbs in the northeast? They're a two-fer; you get light bright enough to read by, and you get an extremely efficient heat source close to you. I've noticed that since I replaced my incandescent bulbs I've had to bump the thermostat up a couple degrees, to heat an entire zone of my house; which is extremely inefficient. The law of unintended consequences takes no 'green' prisoners.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at January 02, 2013 03:49 AM (feFL6)

120 If you switch it on and off repeatedly, as most normal folks do with lamps, you destroy the longevity. It only lasts when you keep the damned thing burning for hours on end.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Maybe that's why the ones I have, have lasted for years as my timer lamps. They go on at dusk and off about 11:30

Posted by: Bruce at January 02, 2013 03:49 AM (k+CnM)

121 I assume a totally independent agency with no political affiliations whatsoever is doing unbiased testing.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 07:45 AM (XkWWK)

I can't say this about Vic's bulbs, but I can about the one's I've bought: No, a conservative firm who hates the CFL mandate did, by picking up a light-meter (okay, I know there's a more technical term, I don't care) and comparing the two readings.

That firm is called: My Household.

CFL bulbs don't (universally) suck anymore.  That doesn't make the law any less of a POS, but the bulbs I've bought anything resembling recently (sometime in 2011) have been just fine.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 03:49 AM (5DR1j)

122 Thank you Brave Sir Robin

Posted by: Bruce at January 02, 2013 03:50 AM (k+CnM)

123 121 CFL bulbs don't (universally) suck anymore. That doesn't make the law any less of a POS, but the bulbs I've bought anything resembling recently (sometime in 2011) have been just fine. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 07:49 AM (5DR1j) What about the mercury in them?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:51 AM (XkWWK)

124 29 -

Ron Paul didn't vote  at all. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2013 03:52 AM (BeSEI)

125 118 Posted by: Thorvald at January 02, 2013 07:48 AM (1V6Pv) Yup. The RINO's have a vested interest in being part of the political machine that feeds the Leviathan. The Dems are out to destroy the country. Lining their pockets is just a fringe benefit.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 03:53 AM (XkWWK)

126 Would Des Moines Register columnist Donald Kaul make a safe gun-owner? http://preview.tinyurl.com/bbw924u Seems like another vicious, sociopathic Lefty to me. (Or, is that redundant?) Another Garrison Keillor longing for the power of the state to make things more just, Comrade: http://preview.tinyurl.com/yarrawl

Posted by: Thorvald at January 02, 2013 03:54 AM (1V6Pv)

127 Why else would they do it? Posted by: Thorvald They are corrupted by power and if not power then the system that has evolved in the culture of DC. Sen Johnson from Wisconsin came out yesterday and said the whole thing is a joke and Harry Reid is a dictator and the whole system is about secret deals instead of respresentation....then he turned around and voted for the fiscal screw job.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 02, 2013 03:55 AM (+paCV)

128 What about the mercury in them?

I don't break them open and suck the marrow, so it hasn't been a problem.

Of all the things we have to worry about, CFL bulbs are so far down on my list they don't even register, quite frankly.  Again, no fan of the law, but my problem there is the reduction of Liberty, not any problem with the CFLs.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 03:55 AM (5DR1j)

129 Something not so adorable about Gabe's gleeful prediction that Boehner will still be Speaker.

Not for long, genius.  The R Party just committed suicide.  There are no "safe" districts anymore.  What's really  not adorable is you idiots acting like you expect the R Party to cut spending. 

I don't know where you work, Gabe, but your constant cheerleading for the Party leads me to believe you're sucking off the government teet yourself. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2013 03:57 AM (BeSEI)

130 What the glandless unfortunates in control of the GOP don't get is that the Commies play for keeps: http://preview.tinyurl.com/azobqy9 A lot of Commies talk about getting back to the ramparts, but our "leaders" just want to surf the web for sausage recipes.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 02, 2013 03:57 AM (1V6Pv)

131 :::But the poor don't see it that way and continue to vote for the people that do that to them. That's why they're poor.::: Damn straight. Being poor is a mental state and a pattern of behaviour.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 02, 2013 03:58 AM (wspmn)

132 Basically the progressives are pushing more control in the whole outlawing of incandecents as the following is indisputable.

CFL do not last as long as claimed.
CFL's provide 40% less light than claimed.
CFL's put out 20-30% less light as they get older.
CFL's are 400x more expensive than the incandescent equivelent.
CFL's contain deadly mercury.



But remember they have the best of intentions.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 03:58 AM (RrD4h)

133 126 Would Des Moines Register columnist Donald Kaul make a safe gun-owner? http://preview.tinyurl.com/bbw924u I'm hoping 2013 brings Donald Kaul another heart attack and a slow ambulance.

Posted by: Manolo at January 02, 2013 03:58 AM (PttbO)

134

I hate CFLs. They hum, don't light quickly, are a haz mat situation if they break and reported give off dangerous emmissions if the coating is not thick enough.

LED lights are kind of interesting. They're more expensive than incandescant but don't seem to have any of the negatives of the CFLs...

And yes, incandescants give off heat, nice in the winter, not so nice in the summer.

Posted by: Lynne at January 02, 2013 03:59 AM (+Uv5V)

135 behaviour.

EoJ has obviously been in Canada too long.  We need to mount a rescue mission.

We drop the superfluous 'u' here in the Civilized world, EoJ.  "Behavior."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 04:00 AM (5DR1j)

136 Again, no fan of the law, but my problem there is the reduction of Liberty, not any problem with the CFLs. **** Put me down for 'both.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2013 04:00 AM (piMMO)

137 @129

You have to understand a couple things about Gabe

1) He's a lawyer
2) He's a lawyer
3) He's a lawyer
4) Did I mention he's a lawyer from California.
5) See above 4 examples
6) See above 5 examples
6) See above 6 examples
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Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 04:01 AM (RrD4h)

138 as for the switching on and off thing....i'm not sitting there turning it on and off all night....it's not on during the day i turn it on at night read for an hour and then off it goes.....it's a bit expensive for not lasting a month

Posted by: phoenixgirl, Merry 8th day of Christmas at January 02, 2013 04:01 AM (GVxQo)

139 Saw a documentary on the Military channel last night about the early rise of the NAZIs. Except for the public fighting against the communists, the parallels with the national socialists and today were chilling.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 02, 2013 04:01 AM (+paCV)

140 Unpossible. Those things last for years. Scientific fact.

/Libtard:Off

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 07:45 AM (5DR1j)


The one in my lamp which is on all day has been in since Oct 2009 and still going strong.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 04:02 AM (53z96)

141 Being poor is a mental state and a pattern of behaviour.

One of my pet peeves is the current usage of "poor" to mean "impoverished" or "out of money."  "Poor" is a class distinction, when applied to wealth.  It presumes that someone who currently has little or no money will always have little or no money.

That should be the exact opposite of our expectations, as a rule.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 04:03 AM (5DR1j)

142 i had a sick feeling in my stomach about ryan when his name was dropped as one of the reasons the conservatives were dropped from their committees....i no longer like him...yes, he's good looking....but so is brad pitt....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, Merry 8th day of Christmas at January 02, 2013 04:03 AM (GVxQo)

143 >> Rep. Paul Ryan on why he voted for the fiscal cliff deal: "I came to Congress to make tough decisions - not to run away from them." Bad decisions != Tough decisions

Posted by: Andy at January 02, 2013 04:04 AM (OZPoa)

144 and boehner is a pussy.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, Merry 9th day of Christmas at January 02, 2013 04:04 AM (GVxQo)

145 :::135 behaviour. EoJ has obviously been in Canada too long. We need to mount a rescue mission. We drop the superfluous 'u' here in the Civilized world, EoJ. "Behavior."::: It's not my fault. This commie autocorrect throws the "u" in there. I don't say "zed" either. I say "z".

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 02, 2013 04:04 AM (wspmn)

146 it's a bit expensive for not lasting a month
Posted by: phoenixgirl, Merry 8th day of Christmas

We have a special camp for complainers...

Posted by: Bruce at January 02, 2013 04:05 AM (k+CnM)

147 You need a 'Murican autocorrect.

Posted by: Andy at January 02, 2013 04:05 AM (OZPoa)

148 @143

Paul Ryan is a complete and utter doofus.


Anyone that can let Joe "FUCKING" Biden run circles around him in a debate is not even worthy of listening to at this point.

On the trash heap you go Ryan.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 04:06 AM (RrD4h)

149 as for the switching on and off thing....i'm not sitting there turning it on and off all night....it's not on during the day i turn it on at night read for an hour and then off it goes.....it's a bit expensive for not lasting a month

The plural of anecdote is note "data."  But, yes, it sucks when that happens.  It's happened to me a couple of times, but not since 2009, at the latest.  Our most recently purchased CFLs were nearly 2 years ago, and that was simply because they were on an insane sale, so we bought a couple of boxes.

We gave one of those boxes away, and we still have only used two or three of the first box (I think there were 10 in a box).

On the other hand, it sucks almost as much (if not quite so expensively) when I buy a standard bulb and it burns out the first time I turn it on.  Which has happened to me about as often (percentage wise) as buying a CFL only to have it burn out in less than 6 months.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 04:06 AM (5DR1j)

150 Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2013 07:57 AM (BeSEI)

Huh?

Cheerleading for the Republicans? Maybe you are reading something else, but this post isn't much more than reportage.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 02, 2013 04:07 AM (GsoHv)

151 Before you know it he will be using the third world barbarian measuring system.

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 04:07 AM (NIZHJ)

152 128 Again, no fan of the law, but my problem there is the reduction of Liberty, not any problem with the CFLs. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 07:55 AM (5DR1j) Wait until they determine that one person using more than 300 square feet is detrimental to the environment and that person's health. Or living more than 15 miles from an urban center.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 04:07 AM (XkWWK)

153 This commie autocorrect throws the "u" in there. I don't say "zed" either. I say "z".

So we just need to smuggle you a US version of Word?

...
...
Random question: is it "A US version" or "AN US version?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 04:08 AM (5DR1j)

154 It's not my fault. This commie autocorrect throws the "u" in there. I don't say "zed" either. I say "z".

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 02, 2013 08:04 AM (wspmn)



An ostentatiously snotty autocorrect?  What are the chances?

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny 2013 return tour?) at January 02, 2013 04:09 AM (J11mV)

155 Anyone that can let Joe "FUCKING" Biden run circles around him in a debate is not even worthy of listening to at this point. *** I would kill to see Rand Paul debate Biden

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2013 04:09 AM (piMMO)

156 The Fourth Reich's Agenda 21 doesn't even allow 300 sq. feet. It's closer to 200 sq feet.

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 04:09 AM (NIZHJ)

157 153 Random question: is it "A US version" or "AN US version?" Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 08:08 AM (5DR1j) A US version.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 04:10 AM (XkWWK)

158 Wait until they determine that one person using more than 300 square feet is detrimental to the environment and that person's health. Or living more than 15 miles from an urban center.

I'm not waiting.  It's like people think one has to hate the object (in this case: CFL bulbs) to hate the law.  No, I think the law is terrible and that Rep Upton should go DIAF.  (I would then attempt to console his daughter.  Out of respect and sympathy, of course).  But my problem is the loss of liberty.  I would have the exact same problem if CFL bulbs were banned and only incandescents were allowed.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 04:10 AM (5DR1j)

159 155 I would kill to see Rand Paul debate Biden Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2013 08:09 AM (piMMO) It's not about Joey's opponent. It's about the moderator...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 04:10 AM (XkWWK)

160 What's happening in ice soccer?

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 04:11 AM (NIZHJ)

161 CFL bulbs don't (universally) suck anymore.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 07:49 AM (5DR1j)

RINO!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 02, 2013 04:12 AM (GsoHv)

162 What's happening in ice soccer?

They're finding out that people really don't care, and the only reason they had better attendance last year was reduced ticket prices.  The NHL is going to find out exactly how relevant it isn't if they don't fix things fast.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 04:12 AM (5DR1j)

163 I had to replace a CFL in my bathroom last month. One of two installed at the same time, about three years ago. Lowes used to have a bin to drop the old ones off, years ago, but now I gotta figure out what to do with the dead one. Maybe I'll just pull the mercury out, put it in a little vial, and mail it to a random congresscritter. On second thought, they'd probably evacuate the building, call in a haz-mat crew, and incur a couple million dollar expense. Then charge me with a hate crime. So I'll just let it sit around.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at January 02, 2013 04:12 AM (feFL6)

164 It's not about Joey's opponent. It's about the moderator... **** You think Rand Paul would have allowed a moderator to steal the debate?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2013 04:13 AM (piMMO)

165 Can't you still buy heterosexual light bulbs for drop cords and such?

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 04:13 AM (NIZHJ)

166 On second thought, they'd probably evacuate the building, call in a haz-mat crew, and incur a couple million dollar expense. Then charge me with a hate crime.

Terrorism.  Use of a "Weapon of Mass Destruction."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 04:13 AM (5DR1j)

167 No, I think the law is terrible and that Rep Upton should go DIAF. (I would then attempt to console his daughter. Out of respect and sympathy, of course). But my problem is the loss of liberty. I would have the exact same problem if CFL bulbs were banned and only incandescents were allowed.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 08:10 AM (5DR1j)


She is his niece not daughter.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 04:14 AM (53z96)

168 158 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 08:10 AM (5DR1j) Totally agree. I don't give a shit that CFL's exist. In a sane, free-market world they would never sell enough to obsolesce incandescents. Like wind, solar, bio gas, electric cars, unicorn farts and fairy dust, the government has to subsidize them to keep them on the market. And because they have an agenda to control us and make our decisions for us, they have to ban incandescents because us drooling cretins are too stupid to choose correctly. Now, my blood pressure is up. Thanks.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 04:14 AM (XkWWK)

169 Can't you still buy heterosexual light bulbs for drop cords and such?

I'm pretty sure the answer to that is "yes."  Work-lights and such still use incandescent bulbs, as far as I know.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 04:15 AM (5DR1j)

170 She is his niece not daughter.

Okay.  I'll console his niece, then.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 04:15 AM (5DR1j)

171 Now, my blood pressure is up. Thanks.

It helps you wake up.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 04:16 AM (5DR1j)

172 I haven't bought a godless commie light bulb yet. Only 124 bulbs left.

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 04:16 AM (NIZHJ)

173 Romney and Ryan proved one thing:  Wally and Beaver just can't win in this Country ever again.  It's not the same Country. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 02, 2013 04:16 AM (wbmaj)

174

Good morning, ‘rons and ‘ronettes.  Thanks for the news, Gabe and Vic, even though thereÂ’s nothing worth thanking you for.  I tell you, pulling a Somewhere In Time is sounding better and better each day this country staggers to its deathbed.

 


Oh, well.  Time to settle down into the new year here at AoS.  Got to buff out the stompy marks of AtCÂ’s boots, open the windows to get the musky fug of Calvin KleinÂ’s Passion for Ewoks out of the air and haul the carpets stained with God only knows what out to the landfill.  So while weÂ’re housekeeping, hereÂ’s a couple of stories:

 

 

Yesterday I told a couple of Hollywood drinking stories.  IÂ’d forgotten one – I think it was a Peter OÂ’Toole story, but I canÂ’t be bothered to check right now – but weÂ’ll say OÂ’Toole was found lying on the ground.  “Is something wrong?” a passing policeman asked.  “The world is spinning,” replied OÂ’Toole.  “So what are you doing there?”  “Waiting for my house to come by.”

Last week in 1895 was the anniversary of the first public exhibition of motion pictures by the Lumière brothers, Auguste and Louis.  Yes, Edison (along with his employees and future rival W.K.L. Dickson) had invented movies and shown them prior to that time, but only as single-viewer kinescopes; he didnÂ’t think there was a market for showing films to one big audience instead of to single people.  Among the Lumière films shown that night, was The Arrival of a Train at La Ciotât Station.  Legend has it that the audience feared the train might actually crash through the screen and so ran out screaming, but I donÂ’t think our ancestors were quite that ignorant.  They might have been startled, like we are during a particularly intense moment watching a suspense movie, but not frightened to the point of running away.

 

 

Still, the legend made for good jokes; thereÂ’s the one about the hayseed from Podunk in a nickelodeon for the first time.  One of the shorts he watched showed a group of buxom maidens stripping down to swim in a pond next to a set of train tracks.  Just as they get down to their bloomers and shirtwaists, the train comes by.  At the next shot, all the women are in the water, splashing each other in fun.  The hick watches the whole program over and over through the day.  Finally, as the place closes up for the night, he storms up to the nickelodeonÂ’s owner and demands his money back. “WhatÂ’s wrong, old timer?” the owner asks.  “You were here all day.  DidnÂ’t you like watching those flickers?”

“It ainÂ’t that,” our corn-fed hero storms.  “ItÂ’s jest that I been watchinÂ’ those ladies swimminÂ’ all day, and that gol-durn train ainÂ’t been late once!”

 

 

And, of course, the joke about a famous dramatic actor who saw himself on screen for the first time and marveled about it to a critic: “It was the most extraordinary experience I ever went through – to actually see myself acting!”

 


The critic nodded.  “Now you understand what we have to put up with.”

 

 

And finally, a story about Sir Cedric Hardwicke, whom youÂ’ll remember as the Pharaoh Seti in The Ten Commandments.  One bawdy recollection is that, though Sir CedricÂ’s spirit was willing in matters of lubricity, his flesh was weak, leading to the nickname “Sir Seldom Hardpricke.”  But thatÂ’s not my story.  My story takes place on the MGM lot in 1943, during the filming of The Cross of Lorraine, where Hardwick played a provincial priest helping the French Resistance. 

 

One day, Hardwicke and director Tay Garnett were on their way to lunch when they passed a stage where Tommy DorseyÂ’s band was rehearsing for a musical.  A group had gathered in front of the open doors to listen, and the two joined them.  After a few minutes, Tay reminded the actor that they only had an hour for lunch, so they turned to go.  As they did, Hardwicke, who was dressed in full clerical robes, ran smack into Greer Garson, who was on the lot shooting Mrs. Miniver.

 

 

Garson, seeing only the robes, lowered her eyes and apologized.  “IÂ’m so sorry, Father.”  Hardwicke, deadpan, blessed her.  Then, with DorseyÂ’s band swinging to the skies, he launched into an outrageous bump-and-grind, shocking everyone around him.  When Garson finally recognized the “priest,” she fell into his arms, laughing, and the three went off together for lunch.  But forever afterward, whenever and wherever Hardwicke met the flame-haired Garson, he would solemnly mutter, “Bless you, my daughter.”

 

 

And thatÂ’s it for me.  Hope you all have a wonderful day.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 02, 2013 04:17 AM (tLo4M)

175 173 Romney and Ryan proved one thing: Wally and Beaver just can't win in this Country ever again. It's not the same Country. Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 02, 2013 08:16 AM (wbmaj) To hell with them. Can a Ronald Reagan, if there is one out there, ever win again in this country?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 04:17 AM (XkWWK)

176 Goddammit!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 02, 2013 04:18 AM (tLo4M)

177 Yes. It's a great stop. Very historic, very scenic. Like being in Paris, w/o the muzzies. The old city is where you want to be/stay. (La Vie Quebec). See: Chateau Frontanec and tour the fort and walls. There was a decisive battle for US independence fought here by Benedict Arnold, when he was on our side. (A true bad-ass, BTW.) Read "Arundel," if you enjoy historical fiction. Also, Red Bull "Cracked Ice" makes a stop in Quebec City. f'ng crazy, that is... Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 02, 2013 07:47 AM (M0O7A) Doesn't Quebec city have a stunning Winter carnival and an exciting summer concert festival?

Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 02, 2013 04:19 AM (G6kli)

178 http://preview.tinyurl.com/3te6qb4 Our side now needs debaters like Ron White. The Commie-fag-junkie Complex is now using Alinsky Rule 4 against us. We are still compelled to follow Reason and seek Proportion. They're not and don't. They want to stick a fork in our bellies.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 02, 2013 04:19 AM (1V6Pv)

179 Romney and Ryan proved one thing: Wally and Beaver just can't win in this Country ever again. It's not the same Country. **** I don't believe that. You can fight hard, and still be fair and decent. They didn't fight hard enough. Telling the truth about Obama might have made a difference.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2013 04:19 AM (piMMO)

180 I say Wally and Beaver can win because they don't have another Magic Negro in the wings for next election.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 04:20 AM (53z96)

181 112 68 Did the progtards ever stop to consider that the difference in price between a single incandescent and a CF bulb is nearly a weeks worth of bologna sandwiches to a poor person? Yes. They intend to extend the Universal Service Fee to peoples' electric bills so freeloaders can be given free Obamalights. Welcome to the USSA, comrade. Posted by: Manolo at January 02, 2013 07:45 AM (PttbO) --- Wonderful comrade! Dear Leader considers all right thinking people!

Posted by: Rev. Al Morsharpsi at January 02, 2013 04:21 AM (qw+yV)

182 Thank you MPPPP.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 02, 2013 04:22 AM (+paCV)

183 180 I say Wally and Beaver can win because they don't have another Magic Negro in the wings for next election. Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 08:20 AM (53z96) Cory Booker. Or Keith Ellison!!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 04:23 AM (XkWWK)

184 Those Rough Service Bulbs are $2.00 a pop.

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 04:23 AM (NIZHJ)

185 @179

Again and again Romney and Ryan outright stipulated that Obama inherited a tough situation.

In the last debate especially, Romney was a nodding in agreement fool with whatever vomited out of Obama's mouth.

How do you make a case for people electing you if you agree with your opponents main premise?

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 04:23 AM (RrD4h)

186 Wally and Beaver could've won if they were willing to call Eddie a sneaky little fuck and Lumpy a fat pile of shit.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny 2013 return tour?) at January 02, 2013 04:23 AM (J11mV)

187 I haven't bought a godless commie light bulb yet. Only 124 bulbs left. I wouldn't worry about getting more of them. In Germany, despite being outlawed, they still sell them as 'space heaters' -- which they actually are. Super efficient heating units, which also create light. I'd like to spend a few minutes calculating the additional number of gallons of #2 fuel oil I'll use to bump my thermostat up a couple degrees in my house to account for the loss of heat and comfort from an incandescent bulb 18 inches from my head. It's too early for math, but I'm certain that it is at least ten gallons per year, or about $40.00 at current prices. So what the hell have I saved?

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at January 02, 2013 04:23 AM (feFL6)

188 Damn straight. Being poor is a mental state and a pattern of behaviour. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 02, 2013 07:58 AM (wspmn) - Import enough people from perennially poor countries and you will become poor, because you are importing people who will vote for the kind of government that makes countries poor and keeps them poor. That's OK with people promoting mass non-white immigration into white countries (and only white countries), because their real agenda isn't prosperity as they sometimes claim, it's ending white nations. Asia for Asians, Africa for Africans, and white countries for everyone. There is to be nowhere left on earth that is for whites, and in the long run, that means no whites on Earth. It's insane that a political party that supposedly stands for rational policies to promote prosperity and that gets 90% of its votes from whites goes along with this. Given what Americans achieved before the Nationalization and Immigration Act of 1965, the rational policy would be to reduce immigration to a trickle, even from other white countries. After all, they're practically all relatively socialist compared to white Americans, and why give extra votes to the Democratic party? Common sense would have said: Americans are good at producing prosperity; leave them alone to continue to do so.

Posted by: Chromoly Man (formerly The Lightworker) at January 02, 2013 04:23 AM (5du/a)

189 Telling the truth about Obama might have made a difference.

The truth has been staring people in the face for 4 years.  They're not listening and don't care.  The Obama cultists are hermetically sealed.

The only ones that can tell the truth about Obama without fear of retribution are the foreign press.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 02, 2013 04:25 AM (hc3eM)

190 Three hundred-watt bulbs and  a 32 inch tv will just about heat my hovel.

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 04:25 AM (NIZHJ)

191 Man I'm glad I bought two lifetime supplies of 60 & 100 watt incandescent bulbs last year (average cost less than 20 cents each).

Posted by: TexBob at January 02, 2013 04:27 AM (pUOpM)

192 I wouldn't worry about getting more of them. In Germany, despite being outlawed, they still sell them as 'space heaters' -- which they actually are. Super efficient heating units, which also create light. **** I remember reading about how the new LED traffic lights up North don't thaw the snow and ice that accumulates on them, causing traffic problems.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2013 04:27 AM (piMMO)

193

Cory Booker. Or Keith Ellison!!!!!

 

Deval Patrick.  Or Susan Rice.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 02, 2013 04:27 AM (tLo4M)

194 189 Posted by: @PurpAv at January 02, 2013 08:25 AM (hc3eM) Agree. Had John McQueeg actually joined Hillary in beating up on SCOAMF during the Dem primary season, he might have been knocked out of contention. It's all bullshit anyway because the MFM was in the tank to cover for him despite Wright, Ayers, Khalidi, Rezko, Alinsky and birthergate.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 04:28 AM (XkWWK)

195 Cory Booker. Or Keith Ellison!!!!! Deval Patrick. Or Susan Rice. ***** Geez, it just gets worse!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2013 04:28 AM (piMMO)

196 Sorry to just pop in and out, fellow morons.  Got the day off, so I'm going to grab breakfast now and spend the day writing.  See you all on the headline thread tomorrow.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 02, 2013 04:29 AM (tLo4M)

197 193 Deval Patrick. Or Susan Rice. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 02, 2013 08:27 AM (tLo4M) President Sheila Jackson-Lee. You heard it here first.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 04:29 AM (XkWWK)

198 gop yes votes http://tinyurl.com/bgw2g4z

Posted by: phoenixgirl, Merry 9th day of Christmas at January 02, 2013 04:30 AM (GVxQo)

199 @189

You can tell the truth about Obama easy as pie, we do it here on this blog, conservative commentator have been doing it for years.

The people we select to lead us are the ones who will not.

Do you think Newt Gingrich or a Rand Paul would not have dessimated Obama in a debate even with a Obama friendly moderator?

I don't I think Gingrich would have had Obama and the moderator begging for mercy.

But Gingrich is unelectable I hear.

Oh wait as it turns out so was Romney!

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 04:30 AM (RrD4h)

200 196 Sorry to just pop in and out, fellow morons. Got the day off, so I'm going to grab breakfast now and spend the day writing. See you all on the headline thread tomorrow. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 02, 2013 08:29 AM (tLo4M) Hence your name. Poppins, Poppouts...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 04:30 AM (XkWWK)

201 On this day in 1863 the battle of Murfreesboro ended in a draw after both sides suffered heavy casualties. I saw that on my Scott Brown Senate calendar. On this day in 2013, I kept my kids home from school in silent protest against their school which has exactly the same safety protocols as Sandy Hook.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 02, 2013 04:31 AM (I2LwF)

202 Something not so adorable about Gabe's gleeful prediction that Boehner will still be Speaker. Not for long, genius. The R Party just committed suicide. There are no "safe" districts anymore. What's really not adorable is you idiots acting like you expect the R Party to cut spending. If you think the GOP just committed suicide, you haven't been paying attention for the past 10 years or so. As I wrote, most Republicans will go back to their districts and say, truthfully, this is Obama's fault and I voted against it. The Republicans that voted for it will go back to their districts and say, truthfully, this is Obama's fault and I kept tax rates from going up for as many of you as I could. You think the party is dying? I heard that in late 2006. Also in late 1996. It seems to be a recurring theme when a person does not get their way. And again, this come backs to one of the differences between me and the L.I.B. people: I'm not ready to surrender. I want to fight. I understand if you're tired and you're grouchy. I don't understand why you'd give up on your future and your children's futures. You have to understand a couple things about Gabe 1) He's a lawyer 2) He's a lawyer 3) He's a lawyer 4) Did I mention he's a lawyer from California. 5) See above 4 examples 6) See above 5 examples 6) See above 6 examples I am a lawyer. I am not from California.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 02, 2013 04:32 AM (YJs05)

203 President Hank Johnson! 

"Shit. I know shit's bad right now, with all that starving bullshit, and the dust storms, and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings. But I got a solution."

Posted by: TexBob at January 02, 2013 04:32 AM (pUOpM)

204 @190 Love your hovel. While you can. They've already outlawed them here. Can you say, "cold water flat"? I think you can. Try finding one for rent within the shining boundaries of the Glorious Nine-county People's Soviet, aka, MN's Met Council. The closest we can get is an ice shanty, but you would not believe all the reg's. that govern their use.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 02, 2013 04:32 AM (1V6Pv)

205 As far as beating Obama... We did. It was stolen. Until we are willing to address vote theft, nobody can beat a democrat. They always steal and in significant amounts.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 02, 2013 04:33 AM (I2LwF)

206 The nation that elected Reagan in 1980 swas just 35 years beyond WWII and those folks are practically gone Milton Friedman was a TV star back then. We now are a nation of Welfare client inner city parasites, lefto college kids, bitter aging hippies, green low info dolts, mojados, and a business class that has forgotten just what a free market is.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 02, 2013 04:33 AM (lD8ju)

207 don't thaw the snow and ice that accumulates on them, causing traffic problems.

I had a friend at AT and T who used to say this about compatibility:

"If it ain't the same, then its different"

Even seemingly simple devices can be complex systems of intended designed behaviors and unintended behaviors due to assumptions. 

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 02, 2013 04:33 AM (hc3eM)

208 @202 w/e If the GOP is not dead, then it is mutated beyond recognition. Leviathan now has tentacles in every single one of your orifices.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 02, 2013 04:35 AM (1V6Pv)

209 151 is still a majority in the House It's the senile citizens in the Senate that need to go

Posted by: TexasJew at January 02, 2013 04:36 AM (lD8ju)

210 Correction: 151 is a good place to begin from

Posted by: TexasJew at January 02, 2013 04:36 AM (lD8ju)

211 To hell with them. Can a Ronald Reagan, if there is one out there, ever win again in this country?  Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 08:17 AM

The answer, as you well know, in two words: Im. Possible.

The days of any Real Conservative (or a Mainstream White Man) being president are over.

So far as I can see, there isn't a single person in the so-called conservative movement who is worth voting for. Rand Paul? Paul Ryan? Darrell Issa? Booby Jindal? Never.

Unless we are down with being totally and forever marginalized by the Free Shit Posse, we'll have to find someone who is not tainted by the stain of politics to run when Choom Boy finally decides he's tired of presidentin'.

Leave the Republican Party to lackwits like Malor, Drew M., Poppin' Fresh and Our Miss Brooks. As long as they choose to play footsie with the liberals, they are of no value to anyone who cares what's going on.

What we need are people who will actually ACT, not pontificate, people who will go to the mat for what's right and, when necessary, play just as dirty as the liberals do. Right now, there aren't any politicians who actually have a pair; the current crop can be too easily bought off by Shiny Stuff and squirrels.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 02, 2013 04:37 AM (yKUrR)

212 Boner has a majority. He could have stopped this.

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 04:37 AM (NIZHJ)

213 Pure genius.

The ones that voted for the plan were already on solid ground in their more purple districts. They get to go back and say they averted tax hikes for their constituents.

Gabe, brilliant and insightful. Lawyers, what can't they fucking do.

Don't quit the day job.


Posted by: 13times at January 02, 2013 04:37 AM (h6XiD)

214 Choose between D and D-Lite.

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 04:38 AM (NIZHJ)

215 I'm with Gabe, I want to fight too.  But the real fight to be had is not in politics, but in the culture.

I was chatting a little bit about this on last night's ONT.  We've got to move away from doing things in our daily lives that 'normalizes' bad behavior in DC.  For instance, avoiding debt to pay for lifestyle.  By changing our attitudes on debt, we can nudge the closer away from voting for politicians who promise a debt-fueled government.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 02, 2013 04:38 AM (BBWjt)

216 Until we are willing to address vote theft, nobody can beat a democrat. They always steal and in significant amounts.

Infiltrate the apparatus.  Register as a Democrat.  Gather evidence.  Bide time.

This is the problem with the Veritas approach - it only nibbles on the exposed edges, its not taking the time to burrow deep into the mechanism.

Of course, this takes time.  I expect to be working on my infiltration for several years to pull it off without raising any suspicion and keeping myself safe in the process. 

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 02, 2013 04:39 AM (hc3eM)

217 Anyone read Tom Clancy's Debt of Honor?  The ending is a doozy.

Posted by: TexBob at January 02, 2013 04:39 AM (pUOpM)

218 @211 ! I like that! Some guy like Ron White (not "Ron White"), a former professional bronc rider, who probably has a bayonet. Bayonets could be useful if it gets to ramparts.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 02, 2013 04:40 AM (1V6Pv)

219 @202

Where do you reside then?

I will update my post accordingly.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 04:40 AM (RrD4h)

220 er, nudge the culture away

Posted by: chemjeff at January 02, 2013 04:40 AM (BBWjt)

221 butters he is diametrically opposed to his own party

Posted by: phoenixgirl, Merry 9th day of Christmas at January 02, 2013 04:40 AM (GVxQo)

222 @19 The GOP will fold on sequestration. SCOAMF already got them to raise taxes and the GOP won't want to be the party that gets blamed for cutting the military. No Republican that matters has a spine to hold the line on the debt limit.

What the fiasco of the "fiscal cliff negotiations" should have made clear to everyone by now is that that The GOP will move Heaven-and-Earth and sell-out, literally, everything if necessary to avoid actually having to cut spending.

That's right - I wrote "The GOP".

Let that sink-in for a minute or two, GOP apologists.

Posted by: DocJ at January 02, 2013 04:41 AM (A5uiv)

223 See, the problem here is that our supposed representatives are more concerned with getting reelected than with actually representing.  Let alone leading.

So, in a way, Gabe is right.  The Republicans did the politic thing- the ones who voted "no" are people who couldn't survive a "Yes" vote.  The ones who voted "Yes" can go say, "See?  I SAVED!!!! you from terrible tax hikes!"

If the point were to keep as many Republicans in office as possible, that would be great.

Where it breaks down is here: the point isn't actually just to keep as many Republicans in office as possible.  The point is to address the fiscal disaster we're facing.  Instead, it got kicked down the road again.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 04:41 AM (5DR1j)

224 No cliff for Hollywood either.

http://is.gd/0unXGX

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 06:56 AM (53z96)




But but but they WANT to pay more money.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 02, 2013 04:42 AM (1Jaio)

225 The Dark Lord Sauros limits apartments to 220 Square Feet. The Fourth Reich through Siemens will implement this.

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 04:44 AM (NIZHJ)

226 #223  Except,  Allen,  if you DON'T keep the GOP in control of the House,  then we know NOTHING will get addressed regarding the fiscal disaster.  We already saw that complete democrat control got us.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 02, 2013 04:46 AM (GoIUi)

227 I think Eddie Haskell would have done as well or better than Wally and Beaver.  He was a sneaky bastard. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 02, 2013 04:46 AM (wbmaj)

228 To hell with these traitorous shitbirds.

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 04:47 AM (NIZHJ)

229 To hell with them. Can a Ronald Reagan, if there is one out there, ever win again in this country? Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2013 08:17 AM The answer, as you well know, in two words: Im. Possible. The days of any Real Conservative (or a Mainstream White Man) being president are over. Bah, that's pining for a mythical "good old days" that never really existed. Ronald Reagan raised taxes. Maybe you should be blaming him for the suicide of the GOP.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 02, 2013 04:47 AM (YJs05)

230 Somebody did the math.... (Sorry if this is long) '' A 100 Watt bulb puts out 100 Joules of heat per second. So - for one minute it would put out 6000 Joules (100 Watts X 60 seconds). 1 BTU (British Thermal Unit) of heat = 1055.056 Joules. So a 100 watt bulb, burning for one minute would put out 5.68 BTUs of heat. ( 6000 Joules / 1055.056 Joules) = 5.68 BTUs.'' So a 100 watt light bulb creates 340 btu per hour. ''How to Find Out How Many BTUs it Takes to Heat a Room How to Find Out How Many BTUs it Takes to Heat a Room How to Calculate the BTUs Needed to Heat a Room How to Calculate BTU Requirement Instructions 1 Measure the room. You will need to know the square footage of the room as well as the height of the ceiling before you begin determining the BTU required for room heaters. 2 Find the room's volume in cubic feet. Multiply the room's square footage by the height of the ceiling. The total is the room's volume in cubic feet. 3 Rate the room's insulation. Use numbers 2, 3 or 4. Very good insulation is rated 2, average is 3, and 4 represents poor insulation. 4 Multiply the room's insulation rating by the room's volume. This will give you the total number of BTUs it takes to heat a room.'' 12 X 12 room, with 8 foot ceiling, average insulation. (1152 cubic feet) X 3 = 3,456 So, with 10 100 watt bulbs you could heat a room. Alternately, each 100 watt bulb represents a 10% DECREASE in heating costs.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at January 02, 2013 04:49 AM (feFL6)

231 :::213 Pure genius. The ones that voted for the plan were already on solid ground in their more purple districts. They get to go back and say they averted tax hikes for their constituents. Gabe, brilliant and insightful. Lawyers, what can't they fucking do. Don't quit the day job.::: Actually, that IS insightful. Politicians voting their personal self-interest at the expense of their supposed fiscal conservative credentials, at least as far as it can be conferred by party brand. That's a pretty dry, simple illumination of an earlier point. There's no "slant" in his post. Straight reportage with minimal technical analysis. Goddamn, I know you don't like Gabe, but inventing nits to pick isn't winning *you* any credibility, either.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 02, 2013 04:49 AM (wspmn)

232 When dos AoSHQ's first real thread of the day begin? Enough of Alan Colmes.

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 04:49 AM (NIZHJ)

233 And seriously, I think less than a third of Americans will even notice the dark. The rest don't do anything at night that requires light--they watch TV, play video games, sext, Facebook. People who read, sew, build stuff in the garage or basement shop, even clean their bathrooms after a long day of earning wages for the government to confiscate--productive things that require light--we're a minority.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 07:19 AM (hO8IJ)




No Information Voter: But I just got tweeted that the chocolate ration went up. So that's good or something

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 02, 2013 04:50 AM (1Jaio)

234 Whose flashing the wheels in the picture of Boehner walking down the hall at Hot air? 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 02, 2013 04:51 AM (wbmaj)

235

I tried the curly bulbs a few years back. Thinking they were better because they use less electricity, I put a few in the lamps in the family and living room. After a month, we were back to the 3 way incandescent ones. Trying to read with the curly bulbs is a bitch. Especially if you are older.
I have about 15 of the curlys left. Only are used for the 2 lights we keep on timers. That's about all they're good for.

 

 

 

 

 

I hate the swirly bulbs.  Always have, even before I learned they were politically correct.  Unfortunately, my husband loves them and keeps buying them.  I simply avoid turning on a lot of lights.  I prefer dim light in the evenings and the swirly bulbs hurt my eyes.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at January 02, 2013 04:51 AM (DoZD+)

236 @208: Leviathan now has tentacles in every single one of your orifices. I've seen enough hentai to know where this is going.

Posted by: NR Pax at January 02, 2013 04:52 AM (1ml8s)

237 @226 if you DON'T keep the GOP in control of the House, then we know NOTHING will get addressed regarding the fiscal disaster.

How much of the ongoing fiscal disaster was effectively addressed over the last 2-years.

Posted by: DocJ at January 02, 2013 04:53 AM (A5uiv)

238 We should pull some left wing "Aktion" by dressing Ninja style and running through Lowes and Home Depot stores smashing aisles full of CFLs and then escaping in waiting vans. I guarantee it would shut down the stores for hours if not the whole day. Can you imagine how the media would cover it?

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 02, 2013 04:53 AM (tOkJB)

239 Does anyone make a coal fired light bulb?

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 04:55 AM (NIZHJ)

240 #223 Except, Allen, if you DON'T keep the GOP in control of the House, then we know NOTHING will get addressed regarding the fiscal disaster. We already saw that complete democrat control got us. Yup. I am certain that uncontested Democratic control of Congress and the White House is not a recipe for success. Having a GOP seat at the table is better than nothing. If the Dems had kept the House in 2010 we'd have a global warming law, card check, another gigantic stimulus spending bill, and higher taxes. If that sounds like a good thing to you, please keep rooting for the death of the GOP. Also, to whoever that was up there, I live in Virginia. I'm from Oklahoma and Texas. Not that either thing has much to do with my politics, I should be clear, but you're the one who insisted on writing about it. I'm fairly certain it was an attempt to be insulting. I want you to know that you succeeded.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 02, 2013 04:55 AM (YJs05)

241 Do we get to take a dookie on their delivery van also?

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 04:56 AM (NIZHJ)

242 @202

Just dug up your Bio.

You are a lawyer in California, San Francisco specifically.

YOU ARE FUCKING ASSHOLE LAWYER FROM CALIFORNIA AND WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS BLOG AND THE GOP SPECIFICALLY!!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 04:57 AM (RrD4h)

243 new one

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 04:58 AM (53z96)

244 the Republicans will be back to 175 seats after the 2014 elections that's good a place for them, too for they too would rather the Democrats be in control

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 02, 2013 04:59 AM (0nyYS)

245 Go write for the Daily Ko's Chairman Mao. We don't serve your kind here.

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 04:59 AM (NIZHJ)

246 Wait, is it burning yet?

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 02, 2013 05:00 AM (7ObY1)

247 Goddamn, I know you don't like Gabe, but inventing nits to pick isn't winning *you* any credibility, either.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 02, 2013 08:49 AM (wspmn)

I spent a summer picking nits in the hot sun.  Got a promotion to an air conditioned office where I was in charge of sorting buffer bytes.  Good times.

The knee jerk reaction by some to criticize Gabe is a bit tiresome.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at January 02, 2013 05:01 AM (YYyqq)

248 @244 Yep. The GOP will presently go back to being what they were for most of the 20th century (and frankly, where it seems most would prefer to be now), the Washington Generals of US politics - loveable bumblers who never win, are not responsible for doing much of anything, but get credit for "showing up" while the Harlem Globetrotters dribble circles around them (while violating every single rule of the game in the process - to boisterous applause, I might add).

Posted by: DocJ at January 02, 2013 05:02 AM (A5uiv)

249 Just a reminder: Jon "Soul Man" Huntsman thinks the Republican Party is 'devoid of a soul'. He said the party must accept "a strong dose of libertarianism" on social issues and allow state governments to move ahead with gay marriage. Mr Huntsman urged the party to "reflect a little bit on our winning chapters" and face up to a demographic reality where white conservatives represent a shrinking portion of the electorate. http://tinyurl.com/a2kdqn5 That's how you get to have a soul: you sell out on social issues, you support "electable" moderates like Jon Huntsman (as opposed to "severe conservatives" like Mitt Romney) and you see white decline not as something that politicians are doing to whites and that their representatives ought to oppose, but, effectively as evidence that whites are losers and the Republican Party needs to write them off as a declining force and look to find better supporters. Great going "Soul Man". You're all heart.

Posted by: Chromoly Man (formerly The Lightworker) at January 02, 2013 05:03 AM (5du/a)

250 I thought Huntsman was kind of a stiff.

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 05:04 AM (NIZHJ)

251 time for General Woundwort to take some meds, sheesh, calm down

Posted by: chemjeff at January 02, 2013 05:05 AM (BBWjt)

252 smashing aisles full of CFLs and then escaping in waiting vans

Scatter leaflets bitching about mercury and phosphorous that pitch Earth First!

False flag ops are totally on the table now as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 02, 2013 05:07 AM (hc3eM)

253 #223 Except, Allen, if you DON'T keep the GOP in control of the House, then we know NOTHING will get addressed regarding the fiscal disaster. We already saw that complete democrat control got us.

I'm fine with that.

If what the majority of the American People really want are the policies which will lead to complete collapse, then do it.  This death by inches is far worse.

That also, however, assumes that people won't vote for actual fiscal conservatism.  And before you say "they didn't," when was the last time they saw it from national Republicans?  Not in the last 18 years at least.

It's easy to talk the conservative talk, it's not so easy to walk the conservative walk.  But, in those places where Republicans are doing both, they're turning Blue States Red.  I point you to Wisconsin and Michigan.  Both voted for TFG, but kept Republican majorities within their own States.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 05:08 AM (5DR1j)

254 One last note on the BTU thing. Incandescent light bulbs produce heat at 90% efficiency. By the time my oil heating system produces hot water at ~85% efficiency, transports it through outside walls and enters the room where I am reading, it has lost nearly half of its BTU's. I like the new options in lighting. I've got some tiny fixtures in the house now that were impossible years ago. But the argument that I'm saving money by using CFLs or LEDs is pure unadulterated bullshit. I want the option to use the correct light bulb for the correct situation, not have an overreaching government telling me what is best.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at January 02, 2013 05:12 AM (feFL6)

255 You are a lawyer in California, San Francisco specifically. YOU ARE FUCKING ASSHOLE LAWYER FROM CALIFORNIA AND WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS BLOG AND THE GOP SPECIFICALLY!!! Er...I do not live in San Francisco. I visited once, in January 2010, I think. Some very nice Morons put me up for a couple days and hosted a really fun meet-up. I have no idea what "bio" you're looking at.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 02, 2013 05:14 AM (YJs05)

256 @251

No it's not time to calm down.

See my comment @137 then look at Gabes retort @202

He is a dissembling lying lawyer scum fuck.

He and his ilk are what is wrong with the GOP the sooner we rid the party of his kind the better off it will be.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 05:14 AM (RrD4h)

257 @255

Do you reside in California?

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 05:15 AM (RrD4h)

258 I have already told you that, darling, please keep up. I reside in Virginia.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 02, 2013 05:18 AM (YJs05)

259 @255

This snippet is on your word press bio page

"... newly minted California lawyer “Gabriel Malor” (a pseudonym, for reasons he explains here).  (DonÂ’t be misled by the “moronlogger” label in his sidebar..."


So you do practice law in California, your just not from California.


A typical lawyer dissembling as lawyers do.

CLOWN!

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 05:19 AM (RrD4h)

260 Where to be born in 2013: Britain falls 20 places in 'lottery of life' league table behind Chile, Taiwan and Ireland http://tinyurl.com/baul73h The USA has fallen from the number one spot in 1988 to joint 16th while France, ranked second in 1988, drops to 26th, just ahead of Britain. Great Britain's severe decline might have something to do with the fact that London is no longer a British city. 'British whites' are the minority in London for the first time as census shows number of UK immigrants has jumped by 3million in 10 years Just 44.9% of Londoners are White British, according to census data http://tinyurl.com/cp6jkf2 The agenda of mass immigration, forced integration and assimilation and "diversity" flat out is not a rational prosperity agenda. It is an anti-white agenda.

Posted by: Chromoly Man (formerly The Lightworker) at January 02, 2013 05:20 AM (5du/a)

261 258 I have already told you that, darling, please keep up. I reside in Virginia. ------------ Don't worry, woundwort. Vah-jin-ya has plenty of fun gay stereotypes to make fun of. With accents! And one word: Seersucker. Seriously, the bashing of Gabe and all Californians, ever, is ridiculous.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at January 02, 2013 05:23 AM (b+8h9)

262 Posted by: General Woundwort




Have you considered decaf?

Posted by: Tami at January 02, 2013 05:24 AM (X6akg)

263 Nope, I don't generally practice law in California, either. The exception is when I fly in for argument at the Ninth Circuit. Also, that thing you quoted is not from my "wordpress bio," that's from a trackback from another blog named "California Blog of Appeal." He meant I'm a member of the state bar, which is true. I took and passed the California bar exam (during an earthquake) in 2008.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 02, 2013 05:25 AM (YJs05)

264 Some people just don't know the first rule of holes.

Posted by: CDR M at January 02, 2013 05:28 AM (dKV5k)

265 I guess replacing many lamp shades that otherwise were lovely but clasped on the light bulb itself.. o well

or i could start a new fad, bare and bold curly bulb look. shades are just so old fashioned anyway.

anyway won't people just buy more lamps  to get the light needed ?


alex..tea.

Posted by: ette at January 02, 2013 05:28 AM (nqBYe)

266 250 I thought Huntsman was kind of a stiff. - You and everyone. One problem with "electable" establishment Republicans like Jon "Soul Man" Huntsman is that they're actually not all that electable.

Posted by: Chromoly Man (formerly The Lightworker) at January 02, 2013 05:28 AM (5du/a)

267 By that it means Northern Va. The Federal City State. There must be a Commie blog hiring somewhere?

Posted by: Butters at January 02, 2013 05:33 AM (NIZHJ)

268 Gabe, time is running out for political solutions. The current run on guns is analogous to the "powder scare", the apathy is palatable, the States are getting bolder. What will a couple of economic shocks look like here?

Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2013 05:40 AM (iO3BG)

269

I don't see how anyone can construe repub's vote for the extensions to be a sell-out.  Its not like they had any control, tax rates were going up without affirmative action and it was obvious that they would get the blame for tax rates rising "on the middle class".   (As an aside, repubs shoudl eshue "class" talk unless its to decry class warfare.)  They deserve congrats for getting social security funding back in place and getting the base from $250 k to $450 k, and lowering the damage to cap gains and death tax.  Anything except total victory for Obama was a positive.  All tax rates would rise if they killed it and their bargaining position would be worse when even worse panic set in.   Plus the tax increases are chicken feed compared to potential spending cuts.

Now the debt ceiling and budget is another matter and neither gets passed again without affirmative votes by republicans.   Left alone, nothing gets spent.  This is the hill to fight on and changing the subject from taxes (where they had their heads handed to them) is better ground to fight on.  Pass the 2007 budget with appropriate cuts to some federal depts and and appropriate increases to medicare.  Nothing gets spents without dems agreeing, a situation republicans should find more comfortable than the dems will.  And this time for fk's sake, make sure the democrat doesn't get credit for balancing the budget.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at January 02, 2013 05:53 AM (VLifP)

270 @261

At no time did I ever mention the fact that Gabe is a homosexual.

He is in fact a lawyer, he passed the bar in California.

He and his LAWYER KIND are what is wrong with this country!

44% of Congress is composed of lawyers hence the fucking abysmal state we find ourselves in.

Only lawyers could cobble together the absolute clusterfuck that passed through both chambers and straight up our asses.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 05:59 AM (RrD4h)

271

>>Let it bleed.

 

If it bleeds, we can kill it.

Posted by: LibertarianJim (team #letitburn) at January 02, 2013 06:08 AM (CMbMd)

272

"I came to make the tough decisions?"

 

Thank you for the non-answer, Skippy.  Caving in to Obama is hardly a tough decision.  Bending over and squealing like a pig, Paul, should come very naturally to you.

 

Thanks for saddling us with another $4T in debt.  That took some serious courage.

 

What a complete dope.

Posted by: RobM1981 at January 02, 2013 06:09 AM (4WC+3)

273 You're right, you didn't mention the gay thing. No matter. "Southern Lawyer" is still just as fun a trope as "California Lawyer". And seersucker still applies. And I like saying "seersucker". Heh. You do still sound ridiculous, but okay. I guess after we kill all the lawyers, we'll go after moneylenders? Or, hey white men also make the majority of the fail-faces in Congress, right, so let's go after them? No. Some lawyers suck. Gabe may even be one of em. Certainly we'd benefit from having a Congress and Senate that wasn't dominated so heavily by ANY profession and maybe lawyers in particular. But it's dumb to act as though that (and his ties to California, where no conservative must ever set foot) is all you need to know, and that lawyers do no good, ever.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at January 02, 2013 06:17 AM (b+8h9)

274 Are you now, or have you ever been, a Californian? We found this loaf of Sourdough bread in your apartment and some outfit called Hollywood Video has you as a member from 1995-2001 (and they say you still have a copy of Wild Things that you approx. $534.15 in late fees on). We also hear you may have actually attempted to protect the rights of other conservatives by arguing before the 9th Circuit...?

Posted by: The General's Commission on UnConservative Activities at January 02, 2013 06:28 AM (b+8h9)

275

Obama wanted to raise taxes "on the rich".  Done

All Democrats, as an article of faith, want to cut Defense spending before anything else gets cut.  Come sequestration, now virtually guaranteed to happen, That'll be a "check" too.

 

Obama and his merry band of crazies in the Democrat leadership have now shot all their bullets.  The only thing left, when deficits grow and not shrink (thank to the aformentioned Democrat economic policies) is spending reductions in entitlements. 

Posted by: MTF at January 02, 2013 06:30 AM (B5y+v)

276 I would just like to point out that all of this name-calling and anger at each other,  instead of the dems and Obama,  is exactly what Obama wants.

Carry on. (I am often amused when we wimmins are accused of being emotional about politics.)

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 02, 2013 06:32 AM (GoIUi)

277 @274


Laugh it up, if we had had more McCarthys our country would not be this close to dissolving!


Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 06:52 AM (RrD4h)

278 Yes. McCarthy. We need to more of our senators to hold law degrees, and serve as judges, but not actually be lawyers. Fantastic. You're right, I am laughing.

Posted by: The General's Commission on UnConservative Activities at January 02, 2013 07:29 AM (b+8h9)

279 but but but...Republicans sollllllllld ouuuuuuuttttt Bitch McConnell John Boner! lawl

Posted by: JDP at January 02, 2013 08:23 AM (8HhF2)

280 I am wondering whether the House Republicans should start, right now, promising that any debt ceiling increase is dead on arrival. "You have two months to figure out some spending cuts" should be the message, over and over, to all media, right now. Then they must hold fast two months from now. The Senate Republicans should do the same thing. "We will filibuster any raise in the debt ceiling. You have two months to figure out some spending cuts." Then they must do it. I don't really think this will happen. This seems like the best possible play, and the Republican party doesn't seem like it has been making the best possible plays, so they likely won't do this. If you can think of reasons why this is a bad idea, or if you have a better idea, please post and put me some f'n knowledge.

Posted by: mr_jack at January 02, 2013 01:39 PM (TMG3G)

281 The Pork Filled and Expensive Non-Relief Sandy Relief Bill by Katie Pavlich in "The Tipsheet" at townhall.com "Not surprisingly, the media is jumping all over Speaker Boehner's pulling of the non-relief relief bill as "leaving Sandy victims out in the cold" while failing to lay any of the blame on Reid's Senate for not sending the House a clean bill." http://bit.ly/Wfd0wu

Posted by: mr_jack at January 02, 2013 04:20 PM (TMG3G)

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