October 11, 2013

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— Gabriel Malor

Happy Friday.

Andy will have the new podcast posted later. I gotta run, so no links from me this morning.

Have a great weekend.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 02:36 AM | Comments (321)
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1 First?

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at October 11, 2013 02:37 AM (8gaTv)

2 Rutroh. Did the Zombie apocalypse take place while I was sleeping?

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at October 11, 2013 02:38 AM (8gaTv)

3 I never would have thought NPS would become jackbooted thug enforcers They always say, "it can happen anywhere" but you never really believe it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 11, 2013 02:38 AM (uhAkr)

4 They always say, "it can happen anywhere" but you never really believe it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 11, 2013 06:38 AM (uhAkr)

 

-- You are correct

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at October 11, 2013 02:40 AM (R8hU8)

5 Good morning fellow traitors.

Posted by: Dandolo at October 11, 2013 02:41 AM (0XBx+)

6 Over at nicedeb, I have twice clicked on a link to read about an EO on firearms restrictions. I start reading and boom, my net connection goes down. I'm on a phone. Anyone got any thoughts? It's below a Krauthammer vids.

Posted by: nothinglefttolose at October 11, 2013 02:43 AM (JCIjD)

7 Wow. Early.

TGIF. Maybe we will see the sun today for the first time in 6 days.

Vic must still be compiling.
Wondering if he has 8 pp of Word again today.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at October 11, 2013 02:44 AM (gHDMy)

8 Morning, all.

Posted by: .87c at October 11, 2013 02:44 AM (jOsih)

9 Good Morning Morons.  Today is Friday, October 11, 2013.  On this day in 1809 Louisiana Purchase explorer Merriwether Lewis died at an inn along the Natchez Trace called Grinder's Stand.  At the time the innkeeper's wife told everyone it was suicide and that is what historians have maintained.  But he was shot multiple times including one in the head.  In addition all his money was missing. It is likely that the people running the inn got away with murder.

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:45 AM (zZbNF)

10 Obama signed the bill yesterday to restore death benefits for fallen vets.  I'm sure he did it out of the goodness of his heart and concern for the families. <snark>

http://tinyurl.com/pkezppp

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:45 AM (zZbNF)

11 Obama backed out of the short-term deal yesterday.

http://tinyurl.com/mcrt33o

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:46 AM (zZbNF)

12 Corrupt Obamanites threatening seniors with halt of SS, Medicare and the military with paychecks once again.  These people are truly an abomination.

http://tinyurl.com/kl5edrk

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:46 AM (zZbNF)

13 More make it hurt at an Arkansas federal prison where guards do not get paid but inmates do.

http://tinyurl.com/mjojrpg

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:46 AM (zZbNF)

14 Issa doesn't have enough work so he will investigate the Obamacare train wreck rollout.

http://tinyurl.com/m5l2hky

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:46 AM (zZbNF)

15 Obama is crucifying his buddies in the press and they are lapping it up.  It shows you that ideology in the press overrides all other concerns.

http://tinyurl.com/mapkeq3

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:46 AM (zZbNF)

16 Where's teh Vicster?

I wanna see if he, too, was taken in by all the Boner-love that was evident here yesterday...a lot of people seem to think Chee-To Boy transformed himself into a True Conservative Hero after years of being a spineless sell-out.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 11, 2013 02:46 AM (kaGpp)

17 RIP Scott Carpenter at 88 from a stroke.

http://tinyurl.com/jwoj6kw

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:47 AM (zZbNF)

18 Formerly we saw a school in Long Island that banned all sports balls.  Today we have a school in NH that says no playing tag.  Actual playground equipment has been long gone.  Is this a case of schools going too far or is it due to greedy parents and lawyers practicing jackpot lawfare?  Discuss.  The article refers to "being pushed aggressively" so I am leaning to the schools, at least for this tag business.

http://tinyurl.com/nx8thay

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:47 AM (zZbNF)

19 The citizens of Skokie are about to be punished for the actions of a bad cop.

http://tinyurl.com/l359why

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:47 AM (zZbNF)

20 Pat Buchanan discusses red counties seceding from Blue States.

http://tinyurl.com/pvglexd

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:47 AM (zZbNF)

21
The 4th Estate, ladies and gents:

Paul Thornton, the letters editor at the Los Angeles Times, explains why he will not run letters that state there are no signs that humans have caused climate change. "Saying "there's no sign humans have caused climate change" is not stating an opinion, it's asserting a factual inaccuracy."

LAObserved/LATimes http://tinyurl.com/kavjssg



Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2013 02:48 AM (kdS6q)

22 Palin will enter the NJ Senate race to try to help with the "gender gap".

http://tinyurl.com/mqlwulx

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:48 AM (zZbNF)

23 "Racist" Fresno mailman fired for throwing away Obamacare junk mail.  He was caught by apartment dwellers and ratted out.

http://tinyurl.com/luhgsjl

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:48 AM (zZbNF)

24 Meanwhile a grant from a tax free organization will give Whoreywood a chance to make their TV shows even more liberal PR factories.

http://tinyurl.com/kccswrl

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:48 AM (zZbNF)

25 The law enforcement community used to view NPS officers as one step above mall security guards.

Congrats mall cops, you just moved up the ladder!

Posted by: Icedog at October 11, 2013 02:48 AM (uZ6Ul)

26 The latest IRS felon met with the Obamanites 155 times.  One wonders how the WH had time to meet with anyone else between this one and LL.  Of course Obama has over a 1,000 staff now for just this kind of thing.

http://tinyurl.com/loaa57b

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:48 AM (zZbNF)

27 Are these lying rouge cops or is the man they killed a thug?  Call and ambulance and get cops instead.  I smell some more citizen punishment.

http://tinyurl.com/l29qp8t

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:49 AM (zZbNF)

28 11 Obama backed out of the short-term deal yesterday. http://tinyurl.com/mcrt33o The Senate Republicans have gone weak-kneed. He's banking on a 'gang' forming. At this point, I say fuck negotiations altogether. Obama is an insane, unreasonable asshole.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 11, 2013 02:49 AM (uhAkr)

29 Insurance will cover fertility treatments for gay couples in CA now.  How will that do any good?

http://tinyurl.com/l7ovvfn

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:49 AM (zZbNF)

30 Judicial Watch sues Bloomberg's Gun Control goons for records.

http://tinyurl.com/n7yxewb

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:49 AM (zZbNF)

31 Others are starting to recognize that the current amnesty bills under consideration would doom the Republican Party.  This without the mass exodus of conservatives.

http://tinyurl.com/khf8ppa

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:50 AM (zZbNF)

32 The SPLC demonstrates once again that they are a racist Democrat front group.

http://tinyurl.com/lh4v294

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:50 AM (zZbNF)

33 Kindle Daily Deals

http://tinyurl.com/k823ew9


That's it for today folks. I will be dropping out early today for Dr.

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:50 AM (zZbNF)

34

The law enforcement community used to view NPS officers as one step above mall security guards.

 

-- And how do we view the law enforcement community?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at October 11, 2013 02:51 AM (R8hU8)

35

The law enforcement community used to view NPS officers as one step above mall security guards.

 

-- And how do we view the law enforcement community?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at October 11, 2013 02:51 AM (R8hU8)

36 "Corrupt Obamanites threatening seniors with halt of SS, Medicare and the military with paychecks once again. " And yet no Republican will stand up and call him a malignant shits stain or some suitably harsh but politically correct term like, say...a petty or juvenile thug. In fact, if Republicans started asking for the names of the people who made these decisions and stated that no further funding would be provided for the government until this kind of bufoonery ended.... Well, best not get too riled up this morning; still have to go to work.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 11, 2013 02:52 AM (P/47D)

37 "Corrupt Obamanites threatening seniors with halt of SS, Medicare and the military with paychecks once again. " And yet no Republican will stand up and call him a malignant shits stain or some suitably harsh but politically correct term like, say...a petty or juvenile thug. In fact, if Republicans started asking for the names of the people who made these decisions and stated that no further funding would be provided for the government until this kind of bufoonery ended.... Well, best not get too riled up this morning; still have to go to work.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 11, 2013 02:52 AM (P/47D)

38 16 I wanna see if he, too, was taken in by all the Boner-love that was evident here yesterday...a lot of people seem to think Chee-To Boy transformed himself into a True Conservative Hero after years of being a spineless sell-out.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 11, 2013 06:46 AM (kaGpp)


What I said was "wait and see".  So he gave them 6 weeks of reprieve and Obama shit on him anyway.

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:53 AM (zZbNF)

39 16 I wanna see if he, too, was taken in by all the Boner-love that was evident here yesterday...a lot of people seem to think Chee-To Boy transformed himself into a True Conservative Hero after years of being a spineless sell-out.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 11, 2013 06:46 AM (kaGpp)


What I said was "wait and see".  So he gave them 6 weeks of reprieve and Obama shit on him anyway.

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:53 AM (zZbNF)

40 People in Red counties in Blue states need to vote with their feet and move.

Posted by: Case at October 11, 2013 02:54 AM (jhRZ+)

41 DAY 337 1,124 to go (1,195 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, McConnell's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2013 02:54 AM (WjLUf)

42 16> "a lot of people seem to think Chee-To Boy transformed himself into a True Conservative Hero after years of being a spineless sell-out." Feckless, spineless GOP 'leadership'. I wouldn't piss in their mouth if their teeth were on fire. I will never give the GOP another penny.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 11, 2013 02:55 AM (P/47D)

43 23 "Racist" Fresno mailman fired for throwing away Obamacare junk mail. He was caught by apartment dwellers and ratted out. http://tinyurl.com/luhgsjl Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 06:48 AM (zZbNF) I assume he was fired because he's one of us and threw away the government propaganda? If it's California, he couldn't have been fired if he was leftist and threw away Tea Party literature.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2013 02:56 AM (WjLUf)

44 37 People in Red counties in Blue states need to vote with their feet and move.

Posted by: Case at October 11, 2013 06:54 AM (jhRZ+)


Yep, because there is no way in hell the current congress would allow them to reform another red State or even move to a bordering red State.

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 02:56 AM (zZbNF)

45 Until ALL the federal agencies that have been militarized are totally disarmed this BS will continue to happen. Really, this was minor if you think about what kind of firepower they now have.

Posted by: Gmac-Pondering the coming implosion at October 11, 2013 02:56 AM (IanLz)

46
Meanwhile, in the land where the Republicans party once thundered in mighty herds as far as the eye could see:

California GOP lawmakers put politics aside to help constituents understand health law

Assemblyman Don Wagner, R-Irvine, said plainly he believes customers will experience increased costs under the law. Demographics are such that if many young people donÂ’t seek coverage through the exchange, it runs the risk of becoming economically unsustainable, Wagner said.

“That said, it’s the law of the land. The opportunity to get rid of it passed with the election in November, so we’re stuck with trying to make it work as best as we possibly can,” said Wagner. “My job as a state representative is not to try to thwart the federal law and throw monkey wrenches into it,” he said.

Sacbee http://tinyurl.com/mf3n6yz


#MakingLifeWork

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2013 02:57 AM (kdS6q)

47 Meanwhile, the Republican Study Group under Rep. Steve Scalise has an alternative to O-care that is under 200 pages and free-market centric. **Crickets abound**

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2013 02:58 AM (WjLUf)

48 Puff Ho story: "Brooklyn Funeral Home Sued By Woman Who Received Necrophilia E-mail"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2013 03:00 AM (WjLUf)

49 Bevel and Velvet @ 3 and 4-
Exactly! The reason it never happened is it never happened. Then when it happens everybody is shocked. Everybody, that is, except those of us who predicted it. You know, those who have been called crazy for even thinking such a thing could happen. Sheesh, people! Can you not think outside the box? 9-11 couldn't happen either. Along the same lines, neither could Hitler. Or Ubama.

Posted by: EROWMER at October 11, 2013 03:02 AM (OONaw)

50 42>> True statement worth considering. I believe we have lost control of the government.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 11, 2013 03:02 AM (P/47D)

51 Love Sarah, but any tiny, molecular shadow of a ghost of a chance of preventing the almost certain inevitability of a Senator Booker just evaporated. She is--through little fault of her own--poison. Especially in this union and (African-American-controlled city)dominated state.....

Posted by: JoeyBagels at October 11, 2013 03:03 AM (Usdw3)

52 Funny- slavery used to be "law of the land." How did that work out?

We have a clown for a Preznint and fools for "representatives."

Jug heads, one and all....

Posted by: Flyover Country at October 11, 2013 03:04 AM (ULH4o)

53 Fuck the SCoaMF

Posted by: Zakn at October 11, 2013 03:06 AM (CH40s)

54
Mexico's national men's soccer team heads into a crucial match Friday night against Panama. A loss could mean the unthinkable: Mexico not appearing in next year's FIFA World Cup in Brazil.



Prediction: Riot here if they lose, riot here if they win.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2013 03:08 AM (kdS6q)

55 51 Fuck the SCoaMF Posted by: Zakn

Thanks, but not even with Mooch-celle mah belle's strap-on....

Posted by: backhoe at October 11, 2013 03:09 AM (ULH4o)

56
Come on down!

Posted by: The Barrel at October 11, 2013 03:12 AM (pJF+c)

57 Looking around for my phone cover/belt clip.  It has disappeared.  One suspects new kitteh who likes to grab stuff and toat it to hidden places to kill.

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 03:12 AM (zZbNF)

58 I wanna see if he, too, was taken in by all the Boner-love that was evident here yesterday...a lot of people seem to think Chee-To Boy transformed himself into a True Conservative Hero after years of being a spineless sell-out. Posted by: MrScribbler at October 11, 2013 06:46 AM (kaGpp) No Kidding, I trien to polirely remind them that Sunkist would disappoint.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 03:13 AM (XIxXP)

59 for anyone wondering there were no trucker induced problems this morning at least as of 0630

Posted by: pep at October 11, 2013 03:14 AM (mf7x1)

60 One suspects new kitteh who likes to grab stuff and toat it to hidden places to kill.
Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 07:12 AM

Kitteh should be proudly dropping the carcass at your feet any minute now!

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 11, 2013 03:15 AM (kaGpp)

61 I never would have thought NPS would become jackbooted thug enforcers Why? Have you never met them? Posted by: somejoe at October 11, 2013 07:03 AM (+KtKI) Yep, it's not a big jump for some of them, especially if you are a hunter, I think some of them are PETA members. what surprises me is that more of them don't go missing.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 03:18 AM (XIxXP)

62 #twoweaks

Slouching toward indifference.
Overrun by barbarians.
Persevering to endure.

Who can stop the reign?
That's American Exceptionalism.

Posted by: Reginald 'Pug' Popadopalous III at October 11, 2013 03:18 AM (9PEpk)

63

Good morning,  fellow  subjects   of King Putz. 

 

I'd like to see someone file a FOIA request for the  paper trail of requisitions for all the signage  associated with the shutdown: who   got that ball rolling and when, also how much tax monies was spent.   From what one Moron posted in the comments last evening, it sounds as though  this has been planned for some time.

 

SNAFU, y'all.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 11, 2013 03:18 AM (0HooB)

64 She hasn't learned to do that yet.  But wait until next week.  She gets to go to the vet because she is broken and needs to be "fixed".

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 03:18 AM (zZbNF)

65

The 4th Estate, ladies and gents:

 

Paul Thornton, the letters editor at the Los Angeles Times, explains why he will not run letters that state there are no signs that humans have caused climate change. "Saying "there's no sign humans have caused climate change" is not stating an opinion, it's asserting a factual inaccuracy."

 

LAObserved/LATimes http://tinyurl.com/kavjssg

 

 




 

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2013 06:48 AM (kdS6q)

 

 

 

In his  considered opinion.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 11, 2013 03:19 AM (BAS5M)

66 @49 Yeah unfortunately you are correct, but booker was going to win no matter what. The Newark, jersey city, Camden, Paterson voter fraud machine will deliver a booker victory.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 11, 2013 03:22 AM (hmUex)

67 Paul Thornton, the letters editor at the Los Angeles Times? Other than Hobos, bird enthusiasts and Octogenarians, does anyone still read that tripe?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 03:22 AM (XIxXP)

68 Yes, LA Times editors are highly trained in the scientific method.

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 03:22 AM (zZbNF)

69 In his considered opinion. Settled silence. Extremist.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 11, 2013 03:23 AM (U2UQk)

70 Palin probably would not go if she thought there was no chance.  But if the RNC in NJ requested her she probably would anyway.

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 03:24 AM (zZbNF)

71 64, you are correct, but those NJ cities--I would also include Trenton and a few other smaller urban areas- don't really have to resort to actual voter fraud. It is that lop-sided.

Posted by: JoeyBagels at October 11, 2013 03:25 AM (Usdw3)

72 Palin probably would not go if she thought there was no chance. But if the RNC in NJ requested her she probably would anyway. Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 07:24 AM (zZbNF) Agreed, she enjoys and is good at being that thing in the wash machine that gets the clothes clean, you know, the agitator.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 03:25 AM (XIxXP)

73 Is that Andrew Braca, Esq., staking out first territory?  The horde must be growing on him.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 03:26 AM (sQ0LB)

74 Must take chilluns to school. Later rons.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 03:26 AM (XIxXP)

75 From what one Moron posted in the comments last evening, it sounds as though this has been planned for some time. SNAFU, y'all. Posted by: Backwards Boy, who did not vote for this shit at October 11, 2013 07:18 AM

Not just the signs, BB.

The pattern of closures (and, in the case of the fucking illegals, NON-closures) suggests some pre-planning as well. And I have no doubt the primary source of all this grief was Choom Boy.

The treasonous fuckstick never misses and opportunity to twist things in ways that favor his destructive agenda. And he has learned from experience that the MFM will continue to polish his knob while teh "conservative" press rolls over meekly.

A Republican (or even many Democrats) in the White House would be facing impeachment for much less than what President Historic First© has done.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 11, 2013 03:27 AM (kaGpp)

76 Secede. Republic of Texas. It won't be perfect but it will be better.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 11, 2013 03:27 AM (IFtiv)

77 Other than Hobos, bird enthusiasts and Octogenarians, does anyone still read that tripe?

Yes, actually, though it depends on what you mean by 'read'. LATimes, NYTimes, WaPo, in it's entirety, front to back, every word like in the olden days? No.

Despite the Buddhist admonition to not 'pick and choose', I pick out the individual stories of interest to me at any given moment, searching on topics of interest, and if the internet serves up something interesting I go read it.

Anyone else have an opinion?

Posted by: Reginald 'Pug' Popadopalous III at October 11, 2013 03:27 AM (9PEpk)

78 Formerly we saw a school in Long Island that banned all sports balls. FIFY.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 11, 2013 03:30 AM (T6c9C)

79

Ben  Sasse is   running  for  the   Nebraska Senate seat as a full-throated conservative candidate who wants to repeal TFG's 'world-view'  that got 404Care rammed down our throats. He's  already broken   fundraising records.

 

 

http://tinyurl.com/m4zlffp

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 11, 2013 03:31 AM (0HooB)

80 BTW, the homemade bacon was good but more trouble than it was worth when I can get Blue Ribbon thick sliced. Bum's favorite!

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 11, 2013 03:32 AM (IFtiv)

81 Let's don't be talkin' 'bout no bacon when I can't have coffee or anything to eat!

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 03:33 AM (zZbNF)

82
California community colleges will now be able to charge more for high-demand classes during summer and winter terms under legislation signed by Gov. Jerry Brown on Thursday.

The new law creates a voluntary pilot program that allows some colleges to charge non-resident tuition -- up to $200 per unit - -for hard-to-obtain classes such as college algebra, history and English that students need to graduate and transfer.

The plan is controversial and was opposed by students, faculty and community colleges Chancellor Brice Harris, who argued that it would create something like a fast-track pass for students who can pay.

http://tinyurl.com/kd2kn28




So, that 5 unit English 101 class I took at the CC during the Summer back in the day would now be a $1000?

I don't think so.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2013 03:34 AM (kdS6q)

83 Hey Jane D'Oh, Bomber, et al.

JPAC can go and ()*)#$#$!@!!! itself

For seven years they have been staging phony ceremonies using empty flag-draped coffins.

From Stars and Stripes
http://tinyurl.com/lw9yqjc

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 03:35 AM (9sCKW)

84 “Congress has an important choice to make for the American people,” Lew said. “Congress alone has the power to act to make sure that the full faith and credit of the United States is never called into question. No Congress in 224 years of American history has allowed our country to default and it is my sincere hope that this Congress will not be the first. At the same time, Congress should pass legislation to fund the government and end the standoff.”

http://preview.tinyurl.com/max7car

Congress this, and Congress that, and Congress something else, but it's Obama who says the Social Security checks won't (could/might/maybe we don't really know yet) go out, the military won't get paid, and the parks are closed.

What must happen, if the republic is to survive, is the debt must be reduced, and the political slush fund, awareness raising, political action committees have to be restrained. Good luck with that.

Posted by: Reginald 'Pug' Popadopalous III at October 11, 2013 03:39 AM (9PEpk)

85 Just want to say to Anna Puma: Thanks for what you bring, even if it rekindles the rage. Nice blog too.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 11, 2013 03:41 AM (IFtiv)

86 So here's something that's been bugging me about the manner of the park closures. Last March I went to Yellowstone. It was the only time we could go, so we were disappointed to learn that the park would be closed for a week or ten days: part of the transition from winter season activities to summer. Talked with a (pleasant and helpful) ranger, and learned that, sure, we could come in on foot, or by x-c ski; just don't expect any services. This is what we did, for several day trips into the park. Had a great time. That's how his could be going, if someone weren't trying to make a point.

Posted by: JPS at October 11, 2013 03:41 AM (9ziuC)

87 Assemblyman Don Wagner, R-Irvine, said plainly he believes customers will experience increased costs under the law. Demographics are such that if many young people don’t seek coverage through the exchange, it runs the risk of becoming economically unsustainable, Wagner said. “That said, it’s the law of the land. The opportunity to get rid of it passed with the election in November, so we’re stuck with trying to make it work as best as we possibly can,” said Wagner. “My job as a state representative is not to try to thwart the federal law and throw monkey wrenches into it,” he said. ------------ So to put this more succinctly, he sees a law that is unsustainable and is plainly a mistake, but he's not going to do anything to try and get rid of it. Because law. What a pansy-ass caliber of "Republican" this is.

Posted by: @JohnTant at October 11, 2013 03:41 AM (PFy0L)

88 From Kyoto Fan, about a minute of video on the beauty of Japan and its people.

http://youtu.be/EAfPIebZErY

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 03:45 AM (9sCKW)

89
J. Jackson came out yesterday, and said Obamacare should no longer be referred to as Obamacare. There's only one reason he would say anything like that. Obamacare is a trainwreck, and even Jackson knows it.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 11, 2013 03:45 AM (0IhFx)

90

What a pansy-ass caliber of "Republican" this is.

 

Irvine, CA?  I believe that makes this a rhetorical statement.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 03:45 AM (sQ0LB)

91 @81 That's a bargain. It would be $1800 at the CUNY school I graduated from. A full year is now over $8,000. It was $600 when I attended in the 80's. College has become another liberal money racket.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 11, 2013 03:46 AM (hmUex)

92 oops - I got smilied Steve Young (96.8 )

Posted by: Gran at October 11, 2013 03:47 AM (mw0FO)

93 I was giving the NPS guys a pass at first on putting out the Barrycades. The Yellowstone thing really pissed me off. The whole Park Service should be disbanded.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at October 11, 2013 03:48 AM (P/gm7)

94 USC (SC)

In-state Tuition & Fees $10,488

Typical Room Fee $4,900

So even in cheap SC college ain't cheap.

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 03:50 AM (zZbNF)

95 I was giving the NPS guys a pass at first on putting out the Barrycades. The Yellowstone thing really pissed me off. The whole Park Service should be disbanded. ------------- A few days ago some FG (I think it was Hollowpoint) was saying we couldn't blame the rangers because they were only following orders and they have familes to feed, etc etc. It was unfair to hold them responsible for following the orders coming up from on high and hey, it was only a few barricades, nothing *bad.* Then this Yellowstone thing hit. I wonder if this fellow still thinks we should give the rangers a pass even though they kept a bunch of old people under armed guard.

Posted by: @JohnTant at October 11, 2013 03:51 AM (PFy0L)

96 Pat Buchanan discusses red counties seceding from Blue States.

--

It's looking more and more like that's the only way to save half of this country.  The other half can go straight to hell, imho.  But, we'd better do it soon.  Once amnesty passes, there will be no red states left. 

Whatever happened to all those calls building for Holder to step down a few months back?  The Dems are a dirty, rotten bunch and no matter how many investigations and hearings Issa does, they stay put.  All of them.  Even Lerner walked away with a big, fat pension and no accountability at all for the laws she broke. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 11, 2013 03:52 AM (XB5Ak)

97 Well folks going to try to go in and get blood work done.  Probably will not be back until tomorrow.

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 03:52 AM (zZbNF)

98

"Louisiana Purchase explorer Merriwether Lewis "

 

 

He was only 35 years old.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at October 11, 2013 03:53 AM (DHQv9)

99 ICYMI: Jeffrey Lord destroys Peter King at American Spectator: http://spectator.org/archives/2013/10/10/peter-kings-political-fraud/1

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2013 03:54 AM (WjLUf)

100
That's a bargain. It would be $1800 at the CUNY school I graduated from.
Posted by: Kreplach



As recently as the 80s, California Community College fees were, I think, $5 per unit with a $50 cap.

The CCs were designed to be transfer or vocational schools on the cheap, not some wannabe Cal State.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2013 03:54 AM (kdS6q)

101 Meanwhile, Juan Uribe's home run ball just landed in St. Louis.

Posted by: Czar Peter at October 11, 2013 03:55 AM (joKb4)

102 @95 And that's before the astronomical price for textbooks is piled on. The cost for a college degree should be a national scandal.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 11, 2013 03:55 AM (hmUex)

103 95 USC (SC) In-state Tuition Fees $10,488 Typical Room Fee $4,900 So even in cheap SC college ain't cheap. Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 07:50 AM (zZbNF) USC is a top private institution, not a state school, for what it's worth.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2013 03:55 AM (WjLUf)

104 During my stint at Moorpark College in California in the 80's, it cost $50 a semester for a full time course load. That meant 12 or more units a semester. That was instate pricing, if you weren't a resident it was about $500, 'cause you weren't paying instate taxes. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Posted by: Darth Randall at October 11, 2013 03:55 AM (KlVdw)

105 Good luck Vic and get something to eat.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at October 11, 2013 03:57 AM (gHDMy)

106 Remember from the ONT the terms 'pathological altruism' and 'idiot compassion' that is probably how the Kabuki theater of the returning caskets started.  Give people something visible to fixate upon instead of the shoe box full of bone bits.  But it spiraled out of control and turned into completely empty boxes being hauled off a plane. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 03:57 AM (9sCKW)

107 90 @81 That's a bargain. It would be $1800 at the CUNY school I graduated from. A full year is now over $8,000. It was $600 when I attended in the 80's. College has become another liberal money racket. Posted by: Kreplach at October 11, 2013 07:46 AM (hmUe Kreplach, I went to Brooklyn College. CUNY are all commuter colleges, so we all essentially lived at home, rent free, if not Jewish/Italian guilt-free. Actually, BC is converting some nearby apartments in Flatbush to be used as housing.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2013 03:57 AM (WjLUf)

108 Mornin' all. Happy beginning of a three day weekend! woohoo!

Posted by: Mainah at October 11, 2013 03:58 AM (659DL)

109
USC is a top private institution, not a state school, for what it's worth.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton



I assume he means the one in South Carolina, not the once in Gangland LA.

Also, "I will not be a gamecock!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2013 03:59 AM (kdS6q)

110 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2013 07:59 AM (kdS6q) oops. You are right. I thought the conversation was about Moonbeam. appy-polly-logies.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2013 04:01 AM (WjLUf)

111 gamecock, poppycock, and shuttlecock...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 04:01 AM (9sCKW)

112 At Volohk, a piece on Madison and how he envisioned the House, as controller of the purse, as a necessary restraint on the rest of government.
 
http://tinyurl.com/l6pm356
 
Another one of them there treasonous traitors. Lot of that going around.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 11, 2013 04:01 AM (cHZB7)

113 Off to get shot at the allergists and then shot again at a client meeting. Later.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2013 04:01 AM (WjLUf)

114 I'm sure it's been pointed out before, but I can't stop thinking about what we were all told not to worry about: various government agencies purchasing large orders of ammunition. If the NPS has the firepower and, more importantly, is staffed by people willing to illegally detain and threaten their fellow citizens, this is just the tip of the iceberg. I'm trying to beat down my inner conspiracy theorist here and not having much luck.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at October 11, 2013 04:02 AM (ObHhj)

115 114 Posted by: GnuBreed at October 11, 2013 08:01 AM (cHZB7) Levin all over it last night concerning the Article 1 and the absolutely abused general welfare clause. Worth a listen for some edjumakayshin.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2013 04:03 AM (WjLUf)

116
I thought the conversation was about Moonbeam.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton




It was.  Vic just tossed in some local Palmetto State color.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2013 04:03 AM (kdS6q)

117
And FWIW, the LA USC's tution is now $22k per semester plus fees. Lots and lots of fees.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2013 04:06 AM (kdS6q)

Posted by: lilredhen at October 11, 2013 04:07 AM (hNNJ5)

119 113 >> gamecock, poppycock, and shuttlecock...
 
Anna knows her cocks. Now, don't get a cocklebur under your saddle. Or cold cocked. Especially, don't turn this whole thing into a cockup.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 11, 2013 04:08 AM (cHZB7)

120 So we're headed into a weekend and parks are still being shut down. Or is there some Friday afternoon news dump compromise coming? At this point the closures are really starting to pile up lost revenue, irate travelers, local protests, I wouldn't be shocked if the Dems compromise on opening the NP's out of self-interest. Nor would I be shocked if they built permanent walls to keep people out. The joys of having a capricious king.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 11, 2013 04:09 AM (ZshNr)

121 Good luck with the doctor, Vic.

Posted by: Boone at October 11, 2013 04:09 AM (/1ooM)

122 USC is a top private institution, not a state school, for what it's worth. I don't think he was talking about the real USC, but rather the one in South Carolina.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 04:09 AM (n8cz4)

123 Didn't someone somewhere (helpful I know) do the math and figured out that it came to something like 200 rounds/month/gun carrying agent for the various alphabet agencies?  So, in other words, a normal amount of rounds for practice?  I will grant that whether or not the EPA needs a SWAT team is an entirely different question (easily answered in the negative), but in context, it's not an unusual amount of brass.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 04:09 AM (sQ0LB)

124 Grace and peace, everyone- A very different kind of hymn for today. I have previously posted on "This Is My father's World" by Maltbie Babock This is my FatherÂ’s world He shines in all thatÂ’s fair, In the rustling grass I hear Him pass, He speaks to me everywhere. Well, this is a sound recording of crickets chirping. slowed to human speed It sounds like a choir yet no instruments or human voices were added. IMO, it illustrates Maltbie's point. I find it fascinating and awe inspiring. I hope that you will listen and read the brief commentary underneath: https://soundcloud.com/acornavi/robert-wilson-crickets-audio. God bless you today.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 04:10 AM (a4Omg)

125 Anna knows her cocks. How YOU doin'?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 04:10 AM (n8cz4)

126 78

I refuse to ever get too excited about a politician anymore, but Ben Sasse sounds great. Definitely bears watching.

Posted by: Dandolo at October 11, 2013 04:10 AM (0XBx+)

127 117 >> Levin all over it last night concerning the Article 1 and the absolutely abused general welfare clause.
 
Yeah, but I can't stand his voice. Is there a transcript?

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 11, 2013 04:11 AM (cHZB7)

128 What a peacock or two...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 04:11 AM (9sCKW)

129

113 gamecock, poppycock, and shuttlecock...

 

 

 

Spatchcock!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at October 11, 2013 04:12 AM (DHQv9)

130 Jim Treacher: Since when was a seat in Congress a lifetime appointment? Since when is inoffensiveness a reason to vote for somebody? McCain is whining about efforts by conservatives to unseat incumbent Republican lawmakers: “wrong.” McCain "sorry" about his "wacko birds" Tea Party attacks: Noting that Republican Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas recently drew a challenger from the Right, McCain asked, “Where has Pat Roberts offended anybody?” -- The Daily Caller Pat Roberts on the Issues http://tinyurl.com/l2xckp8 (R) Milton Wolf To Challenge U.S. Senator Roberts. Wolf is a Leawood physician, a commentator on Fox News, and he blogs for the Washington Times. Milton Wolf is taking on the incumbent with strong support from Tea Party conservatives. /The last time Kansas sent a Democrat to the U.S. Senate was 1932.

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 11, 2013 04:12 AM (MhA4j)

131

>>At this point, I say fuck negotiations altogether. Obama is an insane, unreasonable asshole.

.

.The Fox news Psychiatrist had an article up about Obama yesterday.  He pretty much says he is insane and has some sort of victim psychosis.   

Posted by: Registered voter at October 11, 2013 04:12 AM (kYfFr)

132 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 08:10 AM (a4Omg) Nice post. Thanks for that. Yesterday's Psalm (11 was particularly appropriate. Especially the 4th verse. Better to take refuge in the Lord than to put oneÂ’s trust in mortals. Better to take refuge in the Lord than to put oneÂ’s trust in princes.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 04:13 AM (n8cz4)

133

When I went to a "highly selective" liberal arts school for my undergrad (Go Lafayette!) in the late 90s, tuition was about $21K for the year.

 

(FWIW, it did {does?} have a reputation as one of the more conservative liberal arts schools--the college pres had been a high up in Bush 41's admin, even got old H.W. to speak at commencement one of the years I was there.  Plus 20% of the students were engineers.)

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 04:14 AM (sQ0LB)

134

Mornin'

 

Slight fever today. MOAR COWBELL, ya'll

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 04:14 AM (3ZtZW)

135 *quits Stars and Stripes WWII quiz*

Asking what was the German objective for the Battle of the Bulge.
1. To launch Operation Watch on the Rhine.
2. To capture as many Allied soldiers as possible
3. To fake a surrender and launch attacks
4. To raid a town and seize supplies.

Um excuse me, thought the German objective was to drive to Antwerp and split Allied forces.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 04:14 AM (9sCKW)

136 #86 How many donks do you hear say "it's the law and there's nothing we can do" when they encounter something their base doesn't like. They say fuck that shit. The Repuke herd has been thinned out by the likes of Rove to be a bunch of gelded Poppin' Freshes.

Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at October 11, 2013 04:15 AM (MKzpK)

137 125 CC,
 
On that topic, the best that can be said is opinions vary. Since I ascribe nefarious motives to practically everything this admin does, it sounds fishy to me. Others think this is an ordinary ammo purchase.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 11, 2013 04:15 AM (cHZB7)

138 >>various government agencies purchasing large orders of ammunition.<<<

I've never understood why the Dept of Education needs shotguns. Or the Social Security Administration. Or NOAA. Or (fill in non-law enforcement related alphabet agency). A general disarming of Federal agencies is becoming an imperative.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at October 11, 2013 04:15 AM (P/gm7)

139 Best answer to 'its the law' is to reply, "So were the German laws on race."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 04:16 AM (9sCKW)

140 Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 11, 2013 08:13 AM (n8cz4) Yes, thanks, Sean. I have often quoted that portion of the psalm and appreciate you lifting it up.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 04:16 AM (a4Omg)

141 Drudge has a link on a story of how corporate GOPers are financing anti Tea Party Republicans in a couple of House elections in 2014. No discussion in the article on how many of these same corporate GOPers will profit from the pending amnesty movement. Good times

Posted by: Earl Turner at October 11, 2013 04:16 AM (VrVBw)

142 133
>>At this point, I say fuck negotiations altogether. Obama is an insane, unreasonable asshole.
.
.The Fox news Psychiatristhad an article up about Obama yesterday. He pretty much says he is insane and has some sort of victim psychosis. Posted by: Registered voter

He is also the stupidest man I have ever seen as Precedent and I can remember Harry Truman. He's a walking clown show.

Posted by: backhoe at October 11, 2013 04:17 AM (ULH4o)

143

>>>>>The Repuke herd has been thinned out by the likes of Rove to be a bunch of gelded Poppin' Freshes.

 

Its why I always laugh when there's talk about 'we gots the guns' and etc. Half won't even jaywalk, FFS

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 04:17 AM (3ZtZW)

144 Um excuse me, thought the German objective was to drive to Antwerp and split Allied forces. It was. You really have to make an allowance for anyone under the age of 35 writing history, or anything related to history. They were never taught any.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 04:18 AM (n8cz4)

145 "Fertility treatments for gay couples" O_O Any luck?

Posted by: Beagle at October 11, 2013 04:19 AM (sOtz/)

146 At one level, the debt limit debate is about whether Obama gets to borrow and print more fake money to pay the interest on the fake money he's already borrowed and printed.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 11, 2013 04:19 AM (azHfB)

147 Cory Booker's father died Wednesday night. May grace and peace be with Booker and his family at this difficult time.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 04:20 AM (a4Omg)

148 Sadly I think you are right Sean.  Their multiple choice for Operation Market Garden was not much better. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 04:20 AM (9sCKW)

149 Good morning, h8ers!

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2013 04:21 AM (5H6zj)

150 @135

If it's the same Lafayette, the tuition is now 60K a year.

Think about that, a four year degree is now $240K at a middle of the pack school.

Amazing.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 11, 2013 04:22 AM (hmUex)

151 It was said on Dennis Prager's show that CA will now cover the fertility treatments of single women. I guess having a child is a "right" or something even if you're not married and can't pay for treatments yourself.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 04:22 AM (a4Omg)

152 red counties seceding from Blue States -Vic Okay. I won't promote my latest webwork every time someone employs that backward propaganda hue scheme. but if anyone wants a graphic reminder of the true blue, nik link. Good morning, by the way.

Posted by: mindful webworker - choose at October 11, 2013 04:22 AM (ma3QC)

153 At some point you've printed enough fake money.

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2013 04:22 AM (5H6zj)

154 Someone saw Ken Annakin's Battle of the Bulge and thought it was a documentary.

"Could we have won WWII without Henry Fonda?"

"Why was Dana Andrews such a dick?"

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at October 11, 2013 04:23 AM (P/gm7)

155 >> Drudge has a link on a story of how corporate GOPers are financing anti Tea Party Republicans in a couple of House elections in 2014.
 
Well, turnabout is fair play, Earl. Besides, I think everyone should have a primary challenger.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 11, 2013 04:23 AM (cHZB7)

156 @137 e) To get some gasoline.

Posted by: Beagle at October 11, 2013 04:24 AM (sOtz/)

157 *pounds head into keyboard*

CJ Cherryh proves how much an LIV she is.  For a science fiction author.  She posted this on FB 18 hours ago.

CIVICS 101: one needs, for those not US folk, and for some of our own who don't know... to differentiate between the actions of the House and the actions of the Senate. The House originates all 'spending' bills. In our great wisdom, we ejected experienced House members in favor of novice folk running on narrow platforms largely concerned with one-issue items. THIS is the house that sets and defines the budget, and that must originate all SPENDING bills. The Senate may originate other sorts of legislation, and must pass the House bills to send them to the President, but it cannot set or otherwise create the budget. So it is solely the House that has orchestrated the shutdown. They are simply refusing to authorize payment of the bills. Anyone who lays the blame anywhere else is blaming someone who, by the US Constitution, cannot do anything but sign or refuse to sign what the House sends them. Since the House has not sent anything---the buck (literally) stops at their door.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 04:24 AM (9sCKW)

158


If it's the same Lafayette, the tuition is now 60K a year.

Think about that, a four year degree is now $240K at a middle of the pack school.

Amazing.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 11, 2013 08:22 AM (hmUex)

 

What are you, a Lehigh grad?  Them's fighting words.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 04:24 AM (sQ0LB)

159 Com'on N.J. You can make a difference!. Booker's views on abortion are very disturbing: http://tinyurl.com/lrahaob

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 04:25 AM (a4Omg)

160 The plan is controversial and was opposed by students, faculty and community colleges Chancellor Brice Harris, who argued that it would create something like a fast-track pass for students who can

Its an economics lesson in of of itself, supply and demand - bitches.

Posted by: Jean at October 11, 2013 04:25 AM (CMlD4)

161 The latest polling data: http://tinyurl.com/mrmuj8o

Posted by: brak at October 11, 2013 04:25 AM (NaTky)

162 @148

I think at this point it really doesn't matter.

We have racked up a debt that can never be repaid.

In order to pay off the debt in 30 years we would have to devote 600 billion to doing all the while passing budgets that give us a surplus enough to re-allocate money to paying off the debt.

We could pay it off in 100 years if we put 200 billion towards paying it off.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 11, 2013 04:26 AM (hmUex)

163 The many times Obama has said, "I will not negotiate" Hit the little speaker icon at the tope left: https://vine.co/v/hXL1A1deZVI

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 04:26 AM (a4Omg)

164 Morning all. Still itchy.

Posted by: Jaime at October 11, 2013 04:26 AM (fWAjv)

165 Beagle that is what happened to Kampfgruppe Piper after leaving Malmedy.

Not been paying attention to the WWII scholarship.  Did they ever truly pin the massacre to Piper?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 04:26 AM (9sCKW)

166 Did I miss it or have we all told McCain to go fuck himself? http://bit.ly/GOoffa Because I have considered his complete and total lack of apology and believe the true and proper response is go fuck yourself, Senator.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at October 11, 2013 04:26 AM (VtjlW)

167

>> Drudge has a link on a story of how corporate GOPers are financing anti
Tea Party Republicans in a couple of House elections in 2014.

 

Money vs. Ideology - always the case with the GOP

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 04:27 AM (3ZtZW)

168 The states gave the Federal Government a few things to do.  Well the Federal Gov. has grown so big and bloated the "shutdown" has shown the people how much it intrudes into our lives in so many different ways.  The Feds don't even do those few things the states gave them power to do well. (the U.S. borders)  These lawmakers have stomped on our Constitution so much that now they are telling us what kind of light bulb we can use.  Our Federal government is out of control.  A day of reckoning is coming.

Posted by: Case at October 11, 2013 04:27 AM (9mWut)

169 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 08:24 AM (9sCKW)

Good gravy.  I hope someone posted all the bills the house has passed that are sitting on Hairy Reid's (some believe he may be a pederast) desk.

Posted by: sweet...ish at October 11, 2013 04:27 AM (bj+Nc)

170 No sign of any truckers this morning. But I don't think it kicks off until this afternoon.

Posted by: RWC at October 11, 2013 04:28 AM (fWAjv)

171 @160

No just someone who spent 5K tops for a four year degree and is gob-smacked at the cost of these schools.

Just amazing.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 11, 2013 04:28 AM (hmUex)

172 Insurance will cover fertility treatments for gay couples in CA now. How will that do any good?

http://tinyurl.com/l7ovvfn

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2013 06:49 AM (zZbNF)

=========

I don't want to know where they put the fertilizer.

Good morning all!

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 11, 2013 04:29 AM (OtQXp)

173
"Fertility treatments for gay couples"



REG: What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies when he can't have babies?!

FRANCIS: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.

REG: Symbolic of his struggle against reality.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 11, 2013 04:29 AM (kdS6q)

174 NPS: When did Smokey the Bear become a rabid grizzly?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 11, 2013 04:29 AM (aJf47)

175 159 >> CJ Cherryh proves how much an LIV she is. For a science fiction author...
 
Anna, I'm a long term sci-fi fan, and I've never liked her stuff enough to buy it. I've checked out a few works from the library. Yawn.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 11, 2013 04:30 AM (cHZB7)

176 sweet-ish, I keep a tap on CJ Cherryh's post just because she does post interesting stuff.  And then she also offers up the inner workings of the LIV as her own.  She is my barometer on how fevered they are.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 04:30 AM (9sCKW)

177 173 @160

No just someone who spent 5K tops for a four year degree and is gob-smacked at the cost of these schools.

Just amazing.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 11, 2013 08:28 AM (hmUex)

 

I think my parents paid about $5K a year for me, had a sweet scholarship deal--part of it was 3 weeks in London and Stratford-upon-Avon watching productions by the RSC, including Ian McKellan in The Tempest.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 04:31 AM (sQ0LB)

178 NPS: When did Smokey the Bear become a rabid grizzly? Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn

Less a rabid grizzley, and more a mangy old black bear in your trash cans

Posted by: Jean at October 11, 2013 04:32 AM (CMlD4)

179 "Fuck McCain" is my default position. If I don't specifically state it, that doesn't mean I'm not thinking it. A lot.

Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at October 11, 2013 04:32 AM (MKzpK)

180 I would love to have seen Ian McKellen in "The Tempest". I think my school was about the same amount of money too.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 04:33 AM (a4Omg)

181 Cry havoc and let slip the DOGS OF WAR! http://tinyurl.com/khfcgx8

Posted by: RWC at October 11, 2013 04:33 AM (fWAjv)

182 Best answer to 'its the law' is to reply, "So were the German laws on race."

Yeah, but the Nazis were evil just like the Tea Party. *snort*

Maybe "So was the Fugitive Slave Act"?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking beers at October 11, 2013 04:33 AM (hO8IJ)

183 "Cherryh" looks like a typo.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking beers at October 11, 2013 04:34 AM (hO8IJ)

184 GnuBreed I have a bunch of her books and I just realized it has been years since I have read any of them.  Perhaps time to haul them to a used bookstore.  Whereas I keep re-reading H Beam Piper.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 04:34 AM (9sCKW)

185 I'd forgotten about the truckers. Hope they cause a spectacle of traffic.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 11, 2013 04:35 AM (ZshNr)

186 I got a Engineering degree from "A Southern Land Grant College" for just under 8K! That would not even get me on campus these days.

Posted by: Old Dog at October 11, 2013 04:36 AM (tQYJH)

187

The German laws on race originated with progressive policies in America. They came over to learn from us.

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 04:36 AM (3ZtZW)

188 9 Good Morning Morons. Today is Friday, October 11, 2013. On this day in 1809 Louisiana Purchase explorer Merriwether Lewis died at an inn along the Natchez Trace called Grinder's Stand. At the time the innkeeper's wife told everyone it was suicide and that is what historians have maintained. But he was shot multiple times including one in the head. In addition all his money was missing. It is likely that the people running the inn got away with murder. This past summer, I read Stephen Ambrose's UNDAUNTED COURAGE, a fascinating biography of Lewis. I grew up on The Journals of Lewis & Clark and am still a big fan, but Ambrose's book really provides a lot of important background, fills in a lot of blanks in the story, and does a great job of detailing the rest of Lewis's short life and controversial death. I recommend it highly.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 11, 2013 04:36 AM (7ObY1)

189 I have a feeling the Truckers action will not be reported on unless they get arrested.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 04:37 AM (a4Omg)

190 Bigby for the LIV to connect those dots would tax their hamsters.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 04:37 AM (9sCKW)

191 Best answer to 'its the law' is to reply, "So were the German laws on race."
Here are my responses to that: Anti-miscegenation Forced sterilization Marijuana prohibition Abortion restrictions Those are just a few, the list can go on and on and on.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at October 11, 2013 04:38 AM (VtjlW)

192 Never  cared  for  Cherryh's  writing  and  I'm  not  surprised  she  doesn't   understand  the  budget  process.  Probably  learned  everything  she  thinks  she  knows  from "Schoolhouse  Rock".

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at October 11, 2013 04:38 AM (rXcBX)

193 @191 Local Issue, move along!

Posted by: Old Dog at October 11, 2013 04:38 AM (tQYJH)

194 I read the Ambrose book too. I second BLueState Rebel's recommendation.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 04:38 AM (a4Omg)

195 Which, BTW, eugenics in the US shows the default mode for atrocity by the progressives. Not necessarily the medical aspect but the propaganda about educating the public under the aegis of the govt.

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 04:39 AM (3ZtZW)

196 @191

It has been reported the the National Guards and NPS will be shutting down the i495 corridor the truckers had planned to use.

So the Jackboots are now co-opting the military to assail citizens.


We surely heading for a breakup.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 11, 2013 04:40 AM (hmUex)

197 "How many donks do you hear say "it's the law and there's nothing we can do" when they encounter something their base doesn't like."

Slavery used to be the law of the land.  But, people raged against it until it was gone.  In every essential way, the Dims have re-enslaved the vast the African American community and they are hoping to do the same with Hispanics.  That is one of the reasons that Whites who have the temerity to question the Liberal agenda get the full Alinsky treatment.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 11, 2013 04:40 AM (kXoT0)

198 The scientific method of improving the race through sterilization of the mentally unfit.  Margaret Sanger.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 04:40 AM (9sCKW)

199 This made me laugh out loud. http://goo.gl/DsgbY9 If they love us, and I know they do, why do they walk all over us?

Posted by: Jesse at October 11, 2013 04:40 AM (H2XQu)

200 81. Gov. Jerry Brown, CA: The new law creates a voluntary pilot program that allows some colleges to charge non-resident tuition -- up to $200 per unit - -for hard-to-obtain classes such as college algebra, history and English that students need to graduate and transfer. == The higher "non-resident tuition" is the standard everywhere. But the "hard-to-obtain classes such as" core curriculum required to graduate/transfer! What is the prime point of a TAX FUNDED community college system? To make readily available inexpensive core curriculum required to graduate/transfer. To hell with the fluff. When higher educational institutions systemically pervert their prime purpose to readily provide core curriculum, take away their tax funding. Whatever electives are offered at community colleges should still be courses required of a specific degree (history, creative writing, accounting); not tax funded fluff. The harder times get, the higher taxes will be increased by do-gooder politicians to keep funding candy as curriculum. Grotesque hypocrisy: "A mind is a terrible thing to waste." Spending tax funds to sponsor community yoga classes or needlepoint is socialist manipulation of the market place. Enroll in fluff privately, not at tax payer expense. Spending tax funds to meddle and hog private industry into an "academic" credit inhibits small private business entrepreneurs, while corrupting the point and opportunity of higher learning.

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 11, 2013 04:40 AM (MhA4j)

201 159 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 08:24 AM (9sCKW)


Wow. So much stupid there it has to be willfull or just dishonest.

Posted by: Dandolo at October 11, 2013 04:41 AM (0XBx+)

202 Maybe "So was the Fugitive Slave Act"? Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking beers at October 11, 2013 08:33 AM (hO8IJ) Didn't they try to pin that on us recently as well?

Posted by: RWC at October 11, 2013 04:41 AM (fWAjv)

203 Ian was great.  Very, very brooding, I remember the lighting and the scenery being darker, both literally and in mood, than other productions I've seen.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 04:42 AM (sQ0LB)

204 This might get a laugh.  FB friend vacationing in the Balkans posted this advice.

When in Muslim territory: always be armed w vodka, bacon, salami and ketchup peanuts.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 04:42 AM (9sCKW)

205 "You had a state representative somewhere say that it's 'as destructive to personal and individual liberty as the Fugitive Slave Act.' Think about that. Affordable health care is worse than a law that lets slave owners get their runaway slaves back. I mean, these are quotes. I'm not making this stuff up." From TFG so I am not going to bother looking for the source since he does make this shit up.

Posted by: RWC at October 11, 2013 04:44 AM (fWAjv)

206 Ambrose  is not a popular guy in the historian community, partly because of his commercial success and partly because of his plaguerism.  Band of Brothers was a darn good book though, and the memoir by Lt./Captain/Major Winters that he wrote afterwards (title eludes me right now) served as a great complementary piece, as well as confirming a lot of the details Ambrose included.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 04:45 AM (sQ0LB)

207 He is such a versatile actor. Whenever I get to England (My SIL has dual citizenship and has been married to an Englishman for about 30 years) they take us to see plays-usually in Stratford because they know that I adore Shakespeare and have acted in as well as directed some of his plays. I would think it could work very well as a brooding production. He is, after all stuck on an island because of the treachery and several people would like to kill him.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 04:46 AM (a4Omg)

208 Anybody  got a link for the Fox doc who diagnosed TFG?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 11, 2013 04:46 AM (0HooB)

209 207 "You had a state representative somewhere say that it's 'as destructive to personal and individual liberty as the Fugitive Slave Act.' Think about that. Affordable health care is worse than a law that lets slave owners get their runaway slaves back. I mean, these are quotes. I'm not making this stuff up."


From TFG so I am not going to bother looking for the source since he does make this shit up.

Posted by: RWC at October 11, 2013 08:44 AM (fWAjv)

 

Well, he's consistent in his inconsistency at least.  You'll notice it takes him all of two sentences to, by his own admission, to change the quote to say it's worse than the FSA instead of as destructive as.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 04:47 AM (sQ0LB)

210 No Kidding, I trien to polirely remind them that Sunkist would disappoint.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 07:13 AM (XIxXP)

 

It's like battered-spouse syndrome.  We keep hoping it'll get better.

Posted by: RushBabe at October 11, 2013 04:47 AM (hrIP5)

211 ( ~Sigh!~ )

Yet another authoress I'll never buy a book from, again.
Hermit City, here I come....

Posted by: backhoe at October 11, 2013 04:47 AM (ULH4o)

212 Cherryh's writing is OK, she's had some success imagining how an "Other" sentient species would behave.  But, her books break down when they insist on slamming the story onto the Liberal ramparts she worships.  It is a common failing among authors to stop the story line to inject their Liberal politics usually in a very insulting manner.   There is absolutely no reason to suppose that an alien species would automatically be Liberals because "Syriasly, you guys, they are more evolved than mankind."  In fact, it makes more sense that anyone spending time and resources to travel across galaxies might just be rapacious and greedy.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 11, 2013 04:48 AM (kXoT0)

213 So I may have to go and man the table for my local Tea Party group this weekend. I live in very blue state. I hope leftists are not going to throw things at me.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 04:49 AM (a4Omg)

214 I think that will be the task today.  Downsize the Cherryh collection to only Morgaine kri Chya.  Haul everything else to the used bookstore.

Well on top of my own writing that is.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 04:49 AM (9sCKW)

215 So I may have to go and man the table for my local Tea Party group this weekend. I live in very blue state. I hope leftists are not going to throw things at me. Of course they will. They love all humanity dontcha know. / sarc

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 04:50 AM (n8cz4)

216 I think we would be better served to not cite slavery or any other past now no longer laws as examples of what used to also be the "law of the land" and point to the current "laws of the land" that are not enforced or enforced by this admin selectively, especially obamacare and the exceptions, extensions and waivers - if its the law of the land why is obama changing it so much.  Also, when you point to doma and marijuana laws that are being sorta skirted all over the place (without discussing the merits) just ask a liberal, why those "laws of the land" are not enforced, and why a group who draws their power from the "law of the land" of the constitution also hates the part about guns and if they are allowed to try and break that contract why do we have to listen on anything?

then say "fuck you dickhead"

Posted by: chelsea danger at October 11, 2013 04:50 AM (KfDDN)

217 Ooops, wrong British actor FS.  It was Ian McDiarmid.  My critique otherwise stands, however.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 04:50 AM (sQ0LB)

218

>>>Yet another authoress I'll never buy a book from, again.

 

Read backlist stuff from circa 1930s and previous. Whole different worlds await.

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 04:51 AM (3ZtZW)

219 Meant my ""sister" has dual citizenship, not my SIL

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 04:51 AM (a4Omg)

220 Looks like the trucker's protest was bullshit. http://tinyurl.com/llwhygc

Posted by: John Smith at October 11, 2013 04:51 AM (wR+pz)

221 Anyone suprise that a 'disengaged executive' would put out a product that hasn't been tested?   American Thinker.com

Posted by: redenzo at October 11, 2013 04:52 AM (vx61Q)

222 200. great blog, Anna Puma: "Earned our undying gratitude," I wish the current President of the United States and members of the Democrat Party could comprehend such words and honor them. == Gratitude, they despise. Undying? They like to strike the fear of death into our hearts. Americans should exercise our Rights. (As with muscle, use it or lose it.) Those who can or will, bring a tribute to the War Memorials. Even if bodily forced from the premises by federal authoritarian thugs, leave the tribute at the barry-cade. Shame American Traitors. Kilroy Was Here!

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 11, 2013 04:52 AM (MhA4j)

223 I'm not really expecting violence. I'm just expecting some comments along the lines of "TP is racist....they hate poor people, blah....blah...blah". The local TP group is trying to set it up so that there are a few people there at the same time

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 04:52 AM (a4Omg)

224

Your exsposed,

Just woke up to Google Chrome very hackable.

Now we have know that Thor has built doors for the NSA

All your informaton is out ..

But we have no Presidential Transcripts?

 

Posted by: clemenza at October 11, 2013 04:52 AM (3GuQx)

225

>>>Looks like the trucker's protest was bullshit.

 

That's srsly too bad.

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 04:53 AM (3ZtZW)

226

208 Band of Brothers was a darn good book though, and the memoir by Lt./Captain/Major Winters that he wrote afterwards (title eludes me right now) served as a great complementary piece, as well as confirming a lot of the details Ambrose included.

 

---------------

 

Winters' book is Beyond Band of Brothers and I second the recommendation.  Excellent companion to Ambrose's book.

Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at October 11, 2013 04:53 AM (qtKqj)

227 191 I have a feeling the Truckers action will not be reported on unless they get arrested. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 08:37 AM (a4Omg) Perhaps not nationally but locally it will. Well, I( guess that was your point. I have my 11x17 sign made up just in case.

Posted by: RWC at October 11, 2013 04:54 AM (fWAjv)

228 CHUCK LORRE PRODUCTIONS, #425 Perhaps I've read too much science fiction, but I can't help thinking that the way out of this protracted battle over universal health care is a good ol' Edgar Allan Poe/Michael Crichton-style plague. Who's going to bicker over access to medical care or insurance deductibles if one wet cough from a busboy kills all the rack o' lamb-eating small government advocates in the restaurant? Who's going to fight against pre-existing condition coverage when it becomes frighteningly clear that we are all, rich and poor, smart and stupid, cute and inbred, swimming in the exact same bacterial soup? I'm betting no one. Because when that day happens, helping a sick person get well will not be an act of mercy or generosity. It will be the very definition of selfishness. And if history has taught us anything, selfishness rocks the casbah. Of course, there is plenty of sci-fi literature that takes this story down an even darker path. It involves everyone with a wet cough getting rounded up at gunpoint and trucked into "rehabilitation camps" in North Dakota. A privileged young man, raised on rack o' lamb, sees their suffering and sacrifices himself in order to lead them to a free clinic in Canada. When things are looking particularly grim in their march out of viral bondage, a small government advocate smiles cruelly and says to the young man, "Where's your health insurance now, Moses?" Said by an asshole worth over $600 million bucks...

Posted by: Jesse at October 11, 2013 04:54 AM (H2XQu)

229 It doesn't sound like it was bullshiit. It doesn't sound like they are not getting a lot of people. So, they people who are participating care.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 04:55 AM (a4Omg)

230 223 Anyone suprise that a 'disengaged executive' would put out a product that hasn't been tested? American Thinker.com Posted by: redenzo at October 11, 2013 08:52 AM (vx61Q) Again. Obama took Romney's '12 electoral IT model for his own to test drive. From get out the vote to mandated log-in. Never tested. Big Fail.

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 11, 2013 04:56 AM (MhA4j)

231 Mike Ditka says he regrets not running against Gaylord Focker for that Senate seat.  
http://tinyurl.com/ln8mxpl

I just got a grin thinking of Sen. Mike Ditka in the Senate Well beating the cr@p out of Sen. Al Franken.

Sen. Blutarski!!!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 04:57 AM (9sCKW)

232 Said by an asshole worth over $600 million bucks... I wouldn't call him as asshole. I'd call him evil and deranged. He's hoping for a plague?!!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 04:57 AM (a4Omg)

233 Fenelon -- Thank you so much for the hymnal posts.  My kids laugh at me when I go around singing some of them, but it brightens my attitude in dark times.  How appropriate "This is My Father's World" with the NPS obomination and my gratitude for the reminder is heartfelt. 

Posted by: Mustbequantum at October 11, 2013 04:57 AM (MIKMs)

234

>>> but I can't help thinking that the way out of this protracted battle over universal health care is a good ol' Edgar Allan Poe/Michael Crichton-style plague

 

O Jaysus. Right about now is when it would do the most damage, too, asshat

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 04:58 AM (3ZtZW)

235 WaPo story says there are 15 trucks headed to the beltway at 7:30 driving with traffic. Hardly a protest. No trucking organization is supporting the action. See story @222

Posted by: John Smith at October 11, 2013 04:58 AM (wR+pz)

236 NFL Hall of Famer Mike Ditka said that one of his biggest mistakes was not running for the United States Senate seat in Illinois in 2004.  Against Barack Obama.  Who went on to become IL Senator and then President.

Da Bears.  Dey did this.


http://www.rightwisconsin.com/dailytakes/227313341.html

Posted by: mama winger at October 11, 2013 04:58 AM (P6QsQ)

237 It doesn't sound like it was bullshiit. It doesn't sound like they are not getting a lot of people. So, they people who are participating care. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 08:55 AM (a4Omg) True, also it's a 3 day event, truckers all coming from different places, I think it will get more significant as time goes by.

Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2013 04:58 AM (10H0T)

238 Said by an asshole worth over $600 million bucks... I wouldn't call him as asshole. I'd call him evil and deranged. He's hoping for a plague?!! Whats going to happen when the richies figure out their cash is monopoly money? They were even kind enough to color the new hundreds.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 04:59 AM (XIxXP)

239 You're most welcome, Mustbe. I'm glad you like them. It brightens my day to find and post them as well as the stories too. Thx. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 04:59 AM (a4Omg)

240 @239 I hope you are right, but the independent trucker's and owners organization is not supporting the protest. Leads me to believe it's bullshit.

Posted by: John Smith at October 11, 2013 05:00 AM (wR+pz)

241

>>>Whats going to happen when the richies figure out their cash is monopoly money?

 

They'll go to commodities.

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 05:00 AM (3ZtZW)

242 Not been paying attention to the WWII scholarship. Did they ever truly pin the massacre to Piper?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 08:26 AM (9sCKW)

 

-------- --------- ----------- ----------

Wikipedia, so it must be true, seems to leave it at insufficient evidence in 1968.   Despite Peiper's "no quarter" orders,  a US prisoner testified Peiper personally followed appropriate standards for prisoners.  

 

Cole mentioned it  in his tome (in  name) somewhere.  Did not know it was free online.    

 

 

Posted by: Stanley Milgram at October 11, 2013 05:00 AM (sOtz/)

243 Behavioral scientist sock on human willingness to follow the orders of apparent authority off.  

Posted by: Beagle at October 11, 2013 05:02 AM (sOtz/)

244 OK I've taken Aleve and Dayquil, still feel like crap. What other chemicals should I ingest?

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 05:02 AM (3ZtZW)

245 OK I've taken Aleve and Dayquil, still feel like crap. What other chemicals should I ingest? Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 09:02 AM (3ZtZW) Lay on a nice warm heating pad and have a cup of sleepytime tea.

Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2013 05:03 AM (10H0T)

246

@246

Ahhh...  Let me dig in my briefcase here for a minute. 

Posted by: Zombie Hunter S. Thompson at October 11, 2013 05:03 AM (sOtz/)

247 Link is to story about Obama signing a bill to reinstate troop death benefits. So, we CAN sign piecemeal funding bills. There goes that meme.

Posted by: Matt S. at October 11, 2013 05:04 AM (PDTch)

248 Chicago loves him as the Bears coach but the Illinois media (which isn't conservative) would have proceeded to rip into him like nothing before. Remember, we are the state that was soooo enamoured with making history we elected Carol Mosely Bruan, the least competent person ever elected to the Senate. Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 11, 2013 09:02 AM (OWjjx) That's kind of what I was thinking. The media would have destroyed him and he would have never understood why.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 05:04 AM (XIxXP)

249 Trucker's protest

It gets stirred up from time to time, agitators, hot heads, trouble makers. I've seen several and they never amount to much more than a lot of threats on the CB.

There is also a hard core minority of truly insane ignorant people who really hate trucks, and truck drivers. So it's easy to get 'things' stirred up. There were trolls on the CB before the internet was invented. They're like union organizers; that behavior has been around forever.

Posted by: Reginald 'Pug' Popadopalous III at October 11, 2013 05:04 AM (9PEpk)

250

>>>Lay on a nice warm heating pad and have a cup of sleepytime tea.

 

That'll go over well in the cubicle LOL

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 05:04 AM (3ZtZW)

251 I have Charles B. MacDonald's book A Time for Trumpets.  Just wondering if anything else had ever been unearthed about who gave the orders that massacred the AA battalion at Malmedy.  A more obscure book on the Battle of the Bulge is titled The Damned Engineers that focuses on the combat engineers running around blowing bridges and supply dumps that Peiper and other German units needed to succeed.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 05:05 AM (9sCKW)

252

Remember, we are the state that was soooo enamoured with making history we elected Carol Mosely Bruan, the least competent person ever elected to the Senate.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 11, 2013 09:02 AM (OWjjx)

 

Are you sure that isn't the second least competent?  Isn't the least competent now at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 05:05 AM (sQ0LB)

253 WaPo story says there are 15 trucks headed to the beltway at 7:30 driving with traffic. Hardly a protest. No trucking organization is supporting the action. See story @222 *** I said a few days ago that this would be a bust. I've been working in or directly with the trucking community since 1987 and I've seen repeated attempts to organize protests that fall flat on their face. That's not to say that they don't frequently have good reason to protest, after all, the government is doing it's level best to destroy the independent owner operator. That said. regulations now assign driver infractions to the employer for a period of three years and to the driver for five. Any driver jeopardizing the CSA2010 score for themselves or their employer will find work hard to come by. They simply aren't going to risk their livelihood for such a protest that is likely to accomplish little.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 11, 2013 05:05 AM (DmNpO)

254 Under Gov. Scott Walker, the Wisconsin's Department of Natural Resources replied to an order to shut down state parks and recreational facilities by essentially telling the federal government to buzz off and mind its own business.
 
And itÂ’s not just talk. Last week, DNR employees stepped up and physically removed barriers placed by federal officials, restoring public access to places where thereÂ’s no defensible reason people should be prohibited to go.

http://www.rightwisconsin.com/dailytakes/227218691.html

Posted by: mama winger at October 11, 2013 05:05 AM (P6QsQ)

255 Project Mercury Astronaut Scott Carpenter dead at age 88. RIP How many real heroes who pioneered Space exploration were ever researched, interviewed or consulted by Hollywood idiots projecting "Gravity"? Z

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 11, 2013 05:05 AM (MhA4j)

256 OK I've taken Aleve and Dayquil, still feel like crap. What other chemicals should I ingest? My dad always said, "A bottle of booze, and electric blanket and a fat woman. In two day you'll be cured, or dead."

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 05:05 AM (XIxXP)

257 OK I've taken Aleve and Dayquil, still feel like crap. What other chemicals should I ingest? *** What's wrong?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 11, 2013 05:06 AM (DmNpO)

258 That'll go over well in the cubicle LOL Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 09:04 AM (3ZtZW) Sorry, didn't realize you were at work, I would still recommend some tea, maybe not the sleepytime, but lemon zinger is always nice.

Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2013 05:06 AM (10H0T)

259 Of course it was very stupid to suggest that if we have a plague if we just all go all to Canada or have National Health Ins that will solve all our problems..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 05:06 AM (a4Omg)

260 Ben Sasse is running for the Nebraska Senate seat as a full-throated conservative candidate who wants to repeal TFG's 'world-view' that got 404Care rammed down our throats. He's already broken fundraising records.


http://tinyurl.com/m4zlffp

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 11, 2013 07:31 AM (0HooB)

 

Wow!  And I thought Matt Bevin (Mitch McConnell's primary challenger) was a reincarnated Founder.  Thanks for posting.  Sounds like the Cavalry is on the way.

Posted by: RushBabe at October 11, 2013 05:07 AM (hrIP5)

261

I thought Ace's  ABBA music video  fetish  was disgusting.  And it is.

 

This store-brand  Glee shit  is worse.  I  never heard  of Peter Hollens before.

 

Those were the days.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 11, 2013 05:07 AM (CJjw5)

262 Lay on a nice warm heating pad and have a cup of sleepytime tea. *** I love Sleepytime tea

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 11, 2013 05:07 AM (DmNpO)

263 I never thought I would see the day when I cheered the DNR.

Posted by: mama winger at October 11, 2013 05:07 AM (P6QsQ)

264 OK I've taken Aleve and Dayquil, still feel like crap. What other chemicals should I ingest? H2O Bed rest, relaxing music or white noise, and imagine that you're healing...

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 11, 2013 05:08 AM (MhA4j)

265 255 I have Charles B. MacDonald's book A Time for Trumpets. Just wondering if anything else had ever been unearthed about who gave the orders that massacred the AA battalion at Malmedy. A more obscure book on the Battle of the Bulge is titled The Damned Engineers that focuses on the combat engineers running around blowing bridges and supply dumps that Peiper and other German units needed to succeed.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 09:05 AM (9sCKW)

 

That's what my grandfather was doing during the war.  Meanwhile, his brother was freezing his *ss off in Bastogne with the airborne.  Both made it home alive and lived 40+ years, but sadly I never got to talk to them about their experiences in the war.  Went to the last official combat engineer reunion in DC in 2004 I think, right after the WW2 memorial opened, heard some good stories about my grandfather from the surviving members of his unit.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 05:08 AM (sQ0LB)

266 OK I've taken Aleve and Dayquil, still feel like crap. What other chemicals should I ingest? Oh, you're at work? I always used Advil cold and sinus. It works for me.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 05:09 AM (XIxXP)

267 OK I've taken Aleve and Dayquil, still feel like crap. What other chemicals should I ingest?

--

No, silly.  You take the Nyquil during the day, not Dayquil.  You'll sleep through your misery. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 11, 2013 05:09 AM (XB5Ak)

268 OK I've taken Aleve and Dayquil, still feel like crap. What other chemicals should I ingest? -- No, silly. You take the Nyquil during the day, not Dayquil. You'll sleep through your misery. Posted by: Lady in Black at October 11, 2013 09:09 AM (XB5Ak) The best cure is tea and incessant whining. At least that's why I do.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at October 11, 2013 05:11 AM (VtjlW)

269 why = what = me needing more tea

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at October 11, 2013 05:11 AM (VtjlW)

270 Probation Officer Shoots and Kills 2-Year-Old Jack Russell Terrier, Said He Gave Dog Verbal Command to Get Back 12 pound dog = deadly threat. Asshole thug.

Posted by: RWC at October 11, 2013 05:11 AM (fWAjv)

271 Reminder: In just fifty scant years, this happened. Five-star General who defeated Hitler and managed a multi-country alliance. Actual combat hero, fourteen year House and Senate career. Twenty-three year career the House and Senate, six in the latter as majority leader, naval reserve officer, Vice President. Congressman, Senator, Vice-President, naval officer. Twenty-five years as a Congressman, eight as minority leader, naval officer. State Senator, Governor, naval officer. Two-time Governor of California, army officer. Congressman, Ambassador to the United Nations, Ambassador to China, Director of the CIA, Vice President, combat navy pilot. Six-time governor. Two-time governor, air national guard pilot. Two-term State Senator. Two years in in the U.S. Senate. Feel better?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 11, 2013 05:12 AM (659DL)

272

Fenelon -

Never read the hymn posts, religious music not ever having been part of my life, nor ever really speaking to me, but I can appreciate that others find it illuminating.

 

[same is true for many recurring post topics]

 

Nearest I can point to as being inspiring is maybe commie Pete Seeger's My Father's Mansion's Many Rooms

http://is.gd/zfShf6

 

Then the stuff Leonard Cohen did.

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 05:12 AM (3ZtZW)

273 Re Dayquil's claim of not causing sleepiness, they are full of crap. In some people it does exactly that. I can take one pill, but not the two as indicted in the dosing section. I once took two and then tried to give a presentation. I was literally falling asleep during my own presentation. Then folks at work started telling me how they had experienced similar symptoms when taking Dayquil.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 11, 2013 05:12 AM (DmNpO)

274 You could taunt happy fun alex.  The suffering would end...eventually...

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 05:12 AM (sQ0LB)

275

>>What's wrong?

 

Low grade fever. Something coming on.

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 05:13 AM (3ZtZW)

276 246 OK I've taken Aleve and Dayquil, still feel like crap. What other chemicals should I ingest? Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 09:02 AM (3ZtZW) Depends on your age and how much you are costing the State.

Posted by: Healthcare.gov at October 11, 2013 05:14 AM (fWAjv)

277 "So, in other words, a normal amount of rounds for practice?" Normal for a military or real LE, maybe. And a normal amount of armored vehicles for protecting the environment and running schools... Generally speaking, If your tinfoil hat isn't burning, you're not paying attention.

Posted by: mindful webworker - choose at October 11, 2013 05:14 AM (6B4ha)

278

Whatever that powder stuff is that you mix with hot water  works for me. Which reminds me, I'd better remember what it is so's I can get some soon.

 

 

Old #7 also works well. A shot every 15 minutes until yodpcsnr grfelpo'[.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 11, 2013 05:14 AM (0HooB)

279 This defines world of hurt.  From MacDonald's book.  pg 451.

"Amid the hills and valleys behind the town ( Malmedy ) were six artillery battalions, and December 21 was the date on which American artillery was to be free - as authorized by the War Department at General Eisenhower's request - to use the VT or POZIT fuse on its shells."

Conservative Crank, grandfather on Dad's side.  One of the beachhead engineers.  He was part of every invasion from Torch to Normandy.  And managed to rotate home.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 05:14 AM (XrBCE)

280 I received an email solicitation from the NRCC.  In it, they requested a donation to help Speaker Boehner fight the good fight against Obamacare.  They informed me "unless you stand up now and give (random amt. inserted here) at this crucial moment in the fight, we won't be able to."  Then, they admonished me to "get off the sidelines and fight the good fight with us."  I now want to go kick puppies.  I sent them an email telling them, in no uncertain terms, that I would never again send money to the NRCC, and that I will donate to any conservative candidate trying to unseat a Republican establishment candidate.   

Posted by: no good deed at October 11, 2013 05:14 AM (k55Fc)

281 264 Of course it was very stupid to suggest that if we have a plague if we just all go all to Canada or have National Health Ins that will solve all our problems.. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 09:06 AM (a4Omg) A headline the other day was that Obamacide's website can only handle 50K at a time. Even on a normal "healthy" no threat to public safety day, I'd be surprised if only 50K people at a time were calling for an appointment, or showing up for emergency care across the entire nation. Enter a plague or major catastrophe, and [x, y, z] would be tooting a celebratory horn. Yea! Utter collapse: death to the masses. Just what we 'needed'. NOW we can oppose the unconstitutional law. Only survivors "deserve" life.

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 11, 2013 05:15 AM (MhA4j)

282 Gabe,

What's with the bubblegum pop?

Broaden your horizons young man!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 11, 2013 05:15 AM (/kU/5)

283 Feel better?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 11, 2013 09:12 AM (659DL)

 

Is it too early to try the American Idol winner?

Posted by: Red Shirt at October 11, 2013 05:16 AM (FIDMq)

284

>>>Whatever that powder stuff is that you mix with hot water works for me. Which reminds me, I'd better remember what it is so's I can get some soon.

 

Theraflu

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 05:16 AM (3ZtZW)

285

OK I've taken Aleve and Dayquil, still feel like crap. What other chemicals should I ingest?

-------------

 

If it's a cough and/or sore throat that's ailing you, mix 1 cup warm water, 1/2 teaspoon salt, and 1/4 teaspoon baking soda.  Gargle with it a few times. 

Emergen-C helps, too.

Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at October 11, 2013 05:17 AM (qtKqj)

286

Conservative Crank, grandfather on Dad's side. One of the beachhead engineers. He was part of every invasion from Torch to Normandy. And managed to rotate home.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 09:14 AM (XrBCE

 

Was he part of the Wavy Arrows?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 05:18 AM (sQ0LB)

287 Is it too early to try the American Idol winner? Posted by: Red Shirt at October 11, 2013 09:16 AM (FIDMq) I started thinking about that timeline and the people in it last night. When Jimmah is eight miles out in front of you know who in heft of resume, we're screwed.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 11, 2013 05:18 AM (659DL)

288 OK I've taken Aleve and Dayquil, still feel like crap. What other chemicals should I ingest? ------------- If all else fails, you can always sneak away to the bathroom and take a nap in a stall

Posted by: spypeach at October 11, 2013 05:18 AM (10H0T)

289 zicam!!!! zicam!!! zicam!!! and tonight gargle with vodka or bourbon or both

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at October 11, 2013 05:19 AM (8JJ6O)

290 All those ideas are great. But I'm probably just gonna drive around on the highways while hallucinating

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 05:19 AM (3ZtZW)

291 Only police should have guns! http://tinyurl.com/ln58snc I started teaching classes for the Arizona CCW permit when it went into effect, and I immediately noticed that my students were well above average in attitude, responsibility, and civility. They always pitched in to assist in setting up where necessary, and their personal checks have always been good. When the first statistics became available, I eagerly digested the information. One person with a CCW permit had committed a homicide, although not with a concealed weapon. It was a domestic situation, and the perpetrator was a retired police officer. The question arose, how often do police officers commit homicide compared to concealed carry permit holders? Of the two, which is more common? It appears that a person is three times safer with a concealed carry permit holder than they are with a police officer.

Posted by: Healthcare.gov at October 11, 2013 05:20 AM (fWAjv)

292 Conservative Crank, I think so.  The unit that formed up in MA before shipping out.  But he never talked about anything from WWII.  Only after he died did we find any information.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 05:20 AM (XrBCE)

293

13More make it hurt at an Arkansas federal prison where guards do not get paid but inmates do.

http://tinyurl.com/mjojrpg

---

So this means that criminals are essential government workers. That sure does explain a lot.

Posted by: Bwarney Frank at October 11, 2013 05:20 AM (SO2Q8)

294

>>>If all else fails, you can always sneak away to the bathroom and take a nap in a stall

 

Speaking of: Dump is up

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 05:20 AM (3ZtZW)

295 Thx, Bigby I like the words. Is there a way you could just go home?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 05:21 AM (a4Omg)

296 Off filthy sock

Posted by: RWC at October 11, 2013 05:21 AM (fWAjv)

297 "The fact that there was a order coming down the chain of command from Hitler to the Kampfgruppe Peiper company commanders, to kill POWs depending on the battlefield situation is established fact. Potschke ordering his subordinates to kill the US POWs at Bagneuz Crossroads is established fact. The SS troops killing the US POWs at the crossroads is established fact. The $64,000 question is: Did Peiper give a direct order to Poetschke to kill the POWs, or did Poetschke decide to kill them on his own? Only two people know that, and both are dead. Peiper claimed not to have given the order. But, on the other hand, he probably didn't have to. As Sepp Deitrich said in a staff conference before the attack: "Prisoners? You know what to do with them..." http://goo.gl/nxqtBZ

Posted by: Jesse at October 11, 2013 05:21 AM (H2XQu)

298 Speaking of plagues, Zombie Apocalypses, and Science Fiction, John Ringo's new book, Under a Graveyard Sky, is very good.  I recommend it.  If you have not read his book, The Last Centurion, I would advise adding it to your stack.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 11, 2013 05:21 AM (kXoT0)

299 go away anal sock

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 11, 2013 05:21 AM (SO2Q8)

300

Theraflu

 

Aah, thanks   Bigby.

 

I'm starting to feel a bit fuzzy myself, like  I'm trying to come down with something. I need to perk up, since my birfday is Sunday.  Having some mixed feelings, since my bank emailed me at   5:45 this morning to tell me I had   $34 dollars in my checking account.  Getting kinda  sick of   always being broke...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 11, 2013 05:22 AM (0HooB)

301 278. In My Room http://tinyurl.com/kcrsnax tgif

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 11, 2013 05:22 AM (MhA4j)

302 happy birthday early backwards boy!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at October 11, 2013 05:23 AM (8JJ6O)

303 TheraFlu sounds like the plague that will wipe us all out.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 11, 2013 05:23 AM (ZshNr)

304

@255 Anna Puma

 

The  more I read, it  sounds like Peiper gave a somewhat ambiguous order "no quarter"  which  he  himself  did  not  interpret  as meaning  "kill all prisoners"  but  could, and  predictably would  lead  someone  to  conclude  that.  

 

Cole credits the engineers  repeatedly in his book.  They must have been annoying as hell to the  Panzer units. 

Posted by: Beagle at October 11, 2013 05:25 AM (sOtz/)

305 TheraFlu actually has RNA recovered from extinct therapod dinosaurs... 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 05:25 AM (XrBCE)

306

TheraFlu

HereaFlu

Everywhere a Flu Flu

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 11, 2013 05:26 AM (SO2Q8)

307


>>Is there a way you could just go home?

 

Maybe later. Probably. Lots to do today, tho

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 05:26 AM (3ZtZW)

308 298 Conservative Crank, I think so. The unit that formed up in MA before shipping out. But he never talked about anything from WWII. Only after he died did we find any information.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2013 09:20 AM (XrBCE)

 

MIght have been a different unit.  My grandfather's unit had a lot of southern boys, I think they staged from Georgia before going overseas.  But he was in every campaign on the Western Front, from Torch to Sicily to Italy to Normandy (Omaha) to Bastogne and beyond.

 

confirmed!  20thEngineers.com has the info, they left from Benning.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 05:27 AM (sQ0LB)

309 291 OK I've taken Aleve and Dayquil, still feel like crap. What other chemicals should I ingest? ------------- If it's a cough and/or sore throat that's ailing you, mix 1 cup warm water, 1/2 teaspoon salt, and 1/4 teaspoon baking soda. Gargle with it a few times. Emergen-C helps, too. Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at October 11, 2013 09:17 AM (qtKqj) Yes. Vit.C fights infection, as does Turmeric (Curcuma longa), an anti-inflammatory to ingest regularly for the immune system. http://tinyurl.com/lvcwmmc

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 11, 2013 05:27 AM (MhA4j)

310 Thnx, phoenixgirl.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 11, 2013 05:28 AM (0HooB)

311 312. LOL /don't be surprised when they use that for their jingle ads

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 11, 2013 05:28 AM (MhA4j)

312 As for feeling better, Bigby, when you finally get home, do these things:

* Turn on the vaporizer or humidifier, cracked dry sinus and bronchial tubes are vulnerable.  If you don't have one, stop and get one.  The one made by Vick's is about $9.00 at Walgreen's.
*  Drink at least a quart of fluid--you are almost certainly dehydrated.  Preferably lemonade--it's easier on your tummy than orange juice.  Put honey in the lemonade for extra relief.
*  Now the folk remedy part--from my Sainted Mom--wash your feet and rub about a teaspoon of Vick's Vaporub into the soles of your feet and put on white socks.  This works for the same reason that reflexology works.
*  Go to bed.  Do not watch TV or read.  Sleep--your body needs all its energy to fight the flu or cold.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 11, 2013 05:29 AM (kXoT0)

313

TheraFlu actually has RNA recovered from extinct therapod dinosaurs...

 

Which the Ravage should recognize  as  relatives, right?

 

Right?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 11, 2013 05:30 AM (0HooB)

314 I assume he [postal worker] was fired because he's one of us and threw away the government propaganda?
No. He admitted it was laziness; he was also a new hire and IIRC a part-timer.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at October 11, 2013 05:33 AM (i4xvM)

315

I'll be damned.  On that website, they have a menu from Company D of the 20th from Christmas 1942, and there's my grandfather's name in it.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 05:35 AM (sQ0LB)

316 Was English your dad's first language?

Posted by: somejoe at October 11, 2013 09:31 AM (+KtKI)

---------- ----------- ------------ ---------

LOL

In home country we say "a fat woman, booze, and thin ice, look out!"

Posted by: Beagle at October 11, 2013 05:37 AM (sOtz/)

317 How did he taste, Conservative Crank?    ;^)

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at October 11, 2013 05:38 AM (i4xvM)

318 I'll be damned. On that website, they have a menu from Company D of the 20th from Christmas 1942, and there's my grandfather's name in it.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 09:35 AM (sQ0LB)

---------- ----------- ---------- -----------

 

 

Yeah, you  can  find  all  sorts  of  things  about  WWII  vets  which  we  did not  have  BI (Before Internet). 

 

Not just WWII.  My grandfather was a private, corporal, sergeant, and lieutenant in WWI over a few months.   Wonder how that played out  IRL?

Posted by: Beagle at October 11, 2013 05:41 AM (sOtz/)

319 126 Grace and peace, everyone- A very different kind of hymn for today. I have previously posted on "This Is My father's World" by Maltbie Babock This is my FatherÂ’s world He shines in all thatÂ’s fair, In the rustling grass I hear Him pass, He speaks to me everywhere. Well, this is a sound recording of crickets chirping. slowed to human speed It sounds like a choir yet no instruments or human voices were added. IMO, it illustrates Maltbie's point. I find it fascinating and awe inspiring. I hope that you will listen and read the brief commentary underneath: https://soundcloud.com/acornavi/robert-wilson-crickets-audio. God bless you today. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 08:10 AM (a4Omg) --- This is beautiful. Good morning, Horde. There are men installing my new garage door opener and Colby the Shihtzu is agitated. He's going to start licking his junk in agitation any second now.

Posted by: Gingy at October 11, 2013 06:01 AM (jt8G9)

320 I think I told you guys Obama wouldn't take the debt limit deal. Boehner was counting on it.

Posted by: RiverC at October 11, 2013 06:05 AM (9hUiB)

321 The Fate of Endor The mass-extinction event at Endor is an inevitable physical consequence of the circumstances at the end of Return of the Jedi. As such, it indirectly enjoys canonical status, even though it was not clearly portrayed in the film. http://www.theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html

Posted by: Tommy Atkins at October 11, 2013 07:17 AM (yuTiW)

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