1 Oneth?

2 Unleash the  Vic!

3 Morning.

4 Whaaaargarble. Good morning, Horde!

5 On this day in 1767 the Mason-Dixon line was agreed upon.  But we do need a new one so we can move Maryland to the North.


And that is news for today.  I just woke up.,

6 Greets, 'Rons and 'Ettes. Another day!

7

Looking back at how this played out...

 

The GOP looked like it was winning for a time, then the NBC poll came out and turned the tide.

 

Of course, no other polls came out quickly to show the NBC poll was an outlier, so the right got scared and folded.

 

It all depends on who is doing the polling.

8 This Is disingenuous in the extreme. You didn't predict shit Gabe. We all knew the republicans were going to screw up, it was just a matter of when and how. A lot of us simply declined to stab Cruz in the back. His efforts were far more noble than those of King, Mccain, and the Kickback folks. The dems were not going to negotiate, that's why Cruz tried what he did! Nice revisionism Gabe.

9 Just wanted to let a few folks I miss who aren't in the group in on my good news. See bottom of ont. Hope it happens for you too BackwardsBoy. Keep rockin' and... Love each other fellow babies.

10

If we learned anything from this partial shutdown, it's how the GOP has abandoned its base.   Rush mentioned it a couple of years ago: the  GOP doesn't want a smaller  government, they want to control it.

 

Levin has a good rant  about the TP and the shutdown. He says for the powers that be (Prog/Coms and Establishment Pubbies, BIRM) had better watch it -

http://tinyurl.com/ltq7tpr

11 Rush was taking another tack yesterday and said we don't hear anything about what the dems had to give up -- and they did have to give up something big -- an increased budget.  He says dems never thought R's would pull the plug on military spending and the automatic sequester (Barry's idea from the get-go) kicked in and took us to 2008 spending levels.  Dems are livid but you'll never hear anything about this in the MFM because it's a major blow to the party.

12

To be honest, I don't think either the GOP or conservatives are capable of learning from past mistakes. This played out so exactly as predicted, but there's no evidence that I can see that either group thinks it needs a change in tactics.

 

Yeah, it's a burden to always be right, isn't it, Gabe?  Here's a thought - perhaps. . .just perhaps. . .if the GOP wasn't composed of backstabbers like McCain and King, weak-as-water nonentities like Ayotte and compromise uber alles  shitstains like Collins, something might have been achieved.  It's pretty fucking hard to outwit and outfight the Democrats when your own goddamn "colleagues" are hell-bent on sabotaging you at every opportunity.

 

Three legal groups are fighting to take the lead role in Virginia lawsuits that they think will lead to nation-wide lawful gay marriage. I flag it because you're probably going to be hearing about either the Bostic or the Harris cases next year.

 

Quelle surprise.  Another year of being bashed as a knuckle-dragging homophobe.

13

That's great news, teej.

 

We'll know our long national nightmare  is over when I get  a job.

14

**deep sigh**

 

Morning, ‘rons and ‘ronettes.  IÂ’m still not feeling right / happy enough for a long story, so let me give you three quick little Tinseltown anecdotes today:

 

 

While all of the great Hollywood moguls could be hard-asses in their own way, Harry Cohn of Columbia and Jack Warner of Warner Brothers were probably the worst.  When director Hal Wallis (he of the many Elvis movies) decided to leave Warner and start his own production unit at Paramount, Jack Warner vowed to make his last month at the studio a living hell.  He began by locking Wallis out of his office.  Wallis shrugged at that and set up a desk on the lawn, determined to continue his duties.  When Warner heard what had happened, he ordered a truckload of horse manure to be dumped on the lawn next to WallisÂ’ desk.

 

 

Poverty Row studio Republic Pictures specialized in Westerns, some of which have been described as “the worst sagebrush sagas ever made.”*  During the production of 1947s The Fabulous Texan, a team of Indians were brought in to make sure that the smoke signals called for in the script were authemtic.  After the picture wrapped, the producer congratulated the redskins on their careful supervision.

 

 

“It was easy,” one of them explained.  “We learned how to do it from the movies.”

 

 

And finally, a story that gives me an excuse to post a little cheesecake – for one scene in 1954s The Last Time I Saw Paris, Elizabeth Taylor showed up displaying rather more cleavage than usual.  Rather than argue with her, the assistant director called in MGMs “bust inspector,” who was a rather young, earnest woman with horn-rimmed glasses.  Asked to give her evaluation, the inspector took one look at Taylor and ordered a ladder.  When it was brought to the set, the girl climbed to the top and peered intently down into TaylorÂ’s magnificent embonpoint before announcing the dress would have to be changed.  At this, director Richard Brooks exploded with a string of old-fashioned Anglo-Saxon epithets and the poor but inspector ran away in tears.  Soon after filing her report, she handed in her resignation.

 

 

So hereÂ’s Taylor with co-star Van Johnson (sorry for the poor quality): 

 

 

http://tinyurl.com/psk7nbz

 

 

Hope you all have a wonderful weekend.

 

*especially those starring ill-fated musician Spade Cooley.

15 There is no fight over tactics.

For there to be "tactics" there has to be a "fight."

I am old enough I remember when the moderates said the Debt Ceiling was where we'd kick their ass.

16 If we learned anything from this partial shutdown, it's how the GOP has abandoned its base.

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^ THIS ^.  Unvarnished, inarguable political truth:  No political party has ever, E-V-E-R achieved electoral success by warring, spitefully and continually, against its own voting base.

You'd think the piss-poor attendance at both the McCain and Romney presidential inaugurals would render at least that much decently self-evident, really.

17 And the preferred way to confront the democrats is?

18 Of course, no other polls came out quickly to show the NBC poll was an outlier, so the right got scared and folded. It all depends on who is doing the polling. Posted by: jwest at October 18, 2013 07:07 AM (u2a4R) So the takeaway is that the GOP is spineless. Yeah we knew that. The fact is that the surrender-monkeys GAGA (go-along-to-get-along) crowd in the GOP have no stomach for any sort of fight. Even when they can win on something as hated as Obamacare, instead of pounding it everytime a microphone is put into place, instead of putting person-after-person who has lost insurnace, full time employment, or has to make a choice between EATING and housing or HEALTH INSURANCE, they do nothing. Instead of actually, you know, trying to sway public opinion, they attack conservatives. Obviously you POSs don't like conservatives - let's see how well you do without us in the next election. If your congressman or senator voted for this piece of shit or didn't support the effort, vote for their opponent in the primary. If they win the primary, vote for the opponent in the general election. We aren't teaching them a lesson, we're removing the dead trees from the forest; that might mean we're going to scorch a lot. Well, it's long past due. Let them try to make up the votes with illegal aliens.

19

Gabe, and the Republicans in D.C. simply do not understand what has happened.  The "tea party" conservatives have had enough of the status quo.

 

We have been the battered wife for years now.  Time after time we have taken a beating from the establishment republicans.  The beater blames us for having to beat us because WE are the problem.  The beater takes us out for a nice dinner and flowers every two years or so, but then goes right back to beating us.

 

Well, this "victim" is done with the abusive spouse.  There will be no more beatings because I am leaving the house.  So are a lot of other conservatives.

 

They just don't get it.

20 7 jwest at October 18, 2013 07:07 AM (u2a4R)

The McCain gang was hot to cave.

The NBC poll was actually overkill, I think they cooked it too much.  It was so over the top it was a joke.  20% government households.

This was essentially MSLSD waving its atrophied dick in our faces saying "see 1/2 your caucus is on our side and will believe anything."

Message received.

21 ...To be honest, I don't think either the GOP or conservatives are capable of learning from past mistakes....

Unfortunately, I think you are right.
Meanwhile I have a 7,200 watt generator whose engine won't fire to see to.... life goes on despite the idjits in DC or Hot-lanta.

22

weak-as-water nonentities like Ayotte

 

There was a rage-inducing audio clip of an interview where she recounted  'splaining to her oh-so-wise little girl about why "the people in govt just can't work well together" re the shutdown.  Ayotte has a really annoying voice (sounds like Susan Collins  - does she have Parkinson's BTW?),  but then I realized she was also near tears decrying what awful, awful tactics the TEA Party was using!

23 The poll was a pretext, not the reason, the establishment's acceptance of the 'serf's collar was the reason,

24 12 Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 18, 2013 07:12 AM (zF6Iw)


Well he still has a nice truck.

He's also going to be relieved of the burden of having so many people who are "dead weight" in his party.

The new leaner GOP can recruit from the cast of glee to make up for people voting with their feet.

25 Wow. A tea party bashing and gay marriage thread.What a surprise.

26 So Gabe, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN? Is it the same as Ron Johnson's - 'we have to sway people to our side' while doing nothing at all to 'sway people to our side?'

27 18 blindside at October 18, 2013 07:17 AM (WzWmY)

The only question is whether we take it to the point that if what it takes to get a Democrat in GOP clothing gone is pulling D or not.

The GOP thinks it is going to "punish Ted Cruz"?

Someone is getting punished and it ain't just Ted Cruz.

28 This little skirmish over 404Care was like the battle over Prohibition. In the beginning you saw; Stage 1: limited acceptance Stage 2: moderate resistance Stage 3: near open revolt We are only in stage 1, but rapidly moving toward stage 2, with stage 3 hitting right before the 2014 elections. It's going to be one of those 'lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way' battles. In case you hadn't noticed, you're not leading Gabe.

29 weak-as-water nonentities like Ayotte

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Another eight years or so -- ten, at the absolute outside -- and Ayotte will have fully completed her morphic transformation into the next Lisa Murkowski.

30

And the preferred way to confront the democrats is?

 

The truth. It's like showing a cross to a vampire.

 

Just the economic numbers are enough. The real, non-spun numbers are horrible and evidence that their  policies are abject failures. Now, if someone would just start to mention them out loud, we could start to fix it.

 

Of course, the batshit crazy  leftards will call you "extreme" for even suggesting that everyone's standard of living has declined dramatically in the past five years. This'll be what separates the sane from the left. Maths  don't lie.

31

Well Herr, it's Gabe. 

Suprise suprise.

32 25 Herr Morgenholz at October 18, 2013 07:22 AM (y6g7R)

Look at the chrome on that trailer hitch though Herr.....

Nee-Yoo-Tee-ful

33 And Gabe reminds me yet again why I gloss over his shit as "the guest blogger from Daily Kos." He's the Lindsay Graham of our little community here.

34 In the end did we know if it was the guy from 'Screaming Aces' or Flake who voted no on the CR.

35 Hey, let's discuss abortion.

36 30 BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 18, 2013 07:24 AM (0HooB)

Ted Cruz confronted them with a truth and to get the point across we refused for less than 21 days to give Ogabe a blank check.

Gabe refuses to grasp we are dealing with people who think the problem is we are not spending enough.

End of story, 2+2 =4 reality is reality.

Hey the Moderates are gonna ask us to go out there and win in 2014 based on illegal immigration being amnestied, higher taxes, less defense, and more welfare spending.

Come on now GOP FOLLOW ME!

Fuck that, it's over.

37 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 18, 2013 07:13 AM (0HooB) Backwards Boy, have you got something lined up? I hope so. Carol The GOP wants to silence conservatives and the Tea Party.IÂ’m not Tea Party, but I am conservative. If they continue to do this, they will never win a national election again, even after the disaster that the SCOAMF has been and will continue to cause far more damage to the US. GOP Establishment would do better to add as many as possible and cater to its conservative base. There are no moderates in the base. The moderates are in DC.

38 but the sequester cuts are trivial and don't solve all our problems at once! and the real fight will be about .... 

39 Gabe, you are a true Republican. As a reward for how smart you are, you and your fellow travelers are now in charge with no argument from me. Good luck with your party.

40 Someone is getting punished and it ain't just Ted Cruz.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 18, 2013 07:23 AM (9jfyN)

 

He has positioned himself as the undisputed front runner for 2016 -- well, as far as our ilk is concerned.  Reagan and Nixon actually did the same thing by standing by Barry Goldwater when the establishment trashed him.  Cruz and Lee stood up for what was right and even those on the left realize it. 

41 And the preferred way to confront the democrats is? Posted by: Goatweed at October 18, 2013 07:17 AM

With plenty of handcuffs and jail cells, actually.

While Gabe pisses all over the riff-raff who dare to challenge the wisdom of the D.C. Entrenched Republicans, Choom Boy goes on his merry way, engaging in rampant cronyism -- how many of his tight buddyroos and fellow Community Activists now have positions of authority in the government now? -- spending more money we don't (and will never) have and trashing what's left of the Constitution. No one is bothering to even think about how to rein him in. I guess we'll wait until his Muzzie terrorist pals are in charge and the rest of us are penniless and even more voiceless.

I hope someone displays some guts, patriotism and respect for the law today. Enough of the alternating whining about and praising the worthless fuckweasels who play the game of government.

Imprison them all, and let G*d sort them out.

42

for all the bitching and complaining over the tactics of conservatives, no one offers any other path except "win elections"

 

fine

 

you can't "win elections" if people don't see a dimes but of difference between you and the democrat.  Then they will just vote for the democrat or not vote at all

43 I didn’t hear this nonsense until my way home last night. TFG said that we have to stop listening to the talking heads on radio, the bloggers etc or win an election. Fox & Friends showed how many House members won their seats this morning. Does anyone think SCOAMF can add that together & realize the people in this country want GOP to have control of purse strings to restrain his spending? I doubt it, his ego is still on “I Won.”

44 To be honest, I don't think either the GOP or conservatives are capable of learning from past mistakes. This played out so exactly as predicted, but there's no evidence that I can see that either group thinks it needs a change in tactics. Goldberg writes once again that this was about a fight over tactics, but conservatives simply don't believe that.

On the surface, yes, it was a fight about tactics.  but, much like in all relationships, the blow-up can be about something completely irrelevant to the real issue.  Your wife may explode at you about not taking out the garbage, but she's really mad about something else (perhaps she is suspicious you are cheating). 

Here, while superficially, it was a fight about tactics, the real fight is about the fact that conservatives don't believe that the GOP has any intention to pursue conservative goals.  That the GOP will never really seek repeal of Obamacare (unless it is easy - i.e., polling at above 70% when the GOP holds the house, senate and WH).  Conservatives don't believe the GOP is serious about entitlement reform.  Conservatives don't believe the GOP is serious about cutting spending.  Etc.

And conservatives are right.  You seem awfully invested in how the GOP does, but it doesn't matter.  The fact that Boehner will retain his position after giving liberals everything they wanted shows that the rank and file GOP in the house are fine with it. 

While the end was predicted, it was predicted the way it was predicted because we all knew the GOP would never hold firm for anything and would cave to liberal demands.  Saying that we shouldn't have fought because we knew the GOP was never going to do what we wanted - but oh yeah, we should definitely still support the GOP - is idiotic. 

In other words, Gabe, your entire point is to root, root, root for the home team regardless of what the home team does.  You are GOP first, conservative never in actual practice, despite your writings.  When push comes to shove, you want to simply keep doing what we have been doing and allow the GOP to just keep on lying to us and caving at every opportunity. 

You believe you are fighting for "smart" strategy and tactics.  Really, you are the abused wife telling her friends that this time he means it, he'll never hit me again.   In 10 years you will still be arguing that the time is not right to make any waves, next year, after the next election, will be the right time to tackle the problem . . .

45

CarolT, I wish.  I do have a regular music gig every Friday evening, tho'.  It's better than what I had, which was nothing at all.  And an extra gig this Saturday night. So there's that.

 

I've sent out a couple of inquiries  to some additive manufacturing (3D printing)   places here in town, about how to get started in that field. Haven't heard anything back yet.

46 39 Empire of Jeff, True RINO at October 18, 2013 07:28 AM (JDIKC)

I remember when the Republican party said that the reason wacky Ted Cruz shouldn't have shut things down wass then the media would talk about Ogabecare being Clusterfuck HMO...

so of course the first thing the GOP is discussing here is gay marriage...

not the insanity of the democrats Wizard of Oz economics, not Ogabecare...no sir...

what the GOP needs for greater power is gay marriage.

Okay, I am glad the GOP thinks that.

Good luck, Megan McCain and Glee are that way....I am gonna go get my bow and arrows and go pluck a string.


The GOP can go fuck a chicken.

47

Did you ever hear about the U.S. Dept. of Arts and Culture?  It's not an official gubmint entity, but it will be if we can't wrest control of the Oval Orifice.  The Soros-funded group is "REIMAGINING U.S. HISTORY, a la Howard Zinn, basically rewriting our founding as we go along.  Interestingly, they weren't dreamed up during Bronco Bama's reign of terror but Slick Willie's.

 

http://bit.ly/16TQS4x

48 Why don't we just admit that any Republican from a New England state will caucus with the Democrats when push comes to shove,  or when the day ends in Y.

49 43 CarolT at October 18, 2013 07:31 AM (z4WKX)

Carol the only way we had to assert that was the shutdown.

Ogabe got away with rousting 90 year olds having La Raza party in restricted areas and fucking with the military some more.

Never fear the GOP knew who the enemy was....

Ted Cruz.

The GOP is about to find out what its "Ready/Reserve" looks like.

This gun's retired.

I am a RINO.

50

Allow me to share some news:

 

 

A petition on the MoveOn.org website is calling for the Department of Justice to arrest some House Republican leaders for their roles in the government shutdown and debt ceiling debates.

 

The petition singles out Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and House majority leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), as well as “other decision-making House Republican leaders,” for the crime of “seditious conspiracy against the United States of America.”

“The House GOP leadership's use of the Hastert Rule and H. Res 368 to shut down the government and threaten the U.S. economy with default is an attempt to extort the United States government into altering or abolishing the Affordable Care Act, and thus, is self-evidently a seditious conspiracy. Arrest the perpetrators in Congress immediately and bring them to justice,” the petition reads.

 

Imagine the ear-popping screams from the left if any so much as to-the-right-of-Stalin website called for the jailing of Democrats - who, IMO, should all have been arrested and / or hung for treason during the Iraq war.  And yet this petition, hosted on the website of a group that is bound mouth-to-groin to the Democrats, will never see the light of day if the MFM has its way.

 

And those, Gabe, are the people you think we should negotiate with?  These are the people that assholes like McStain calls "my friends?"    As Insty says, these people are telling us, in no uncertain terms, what they will do to us if they ever have the power.

51 You believe you are fighting for "smart" strategy and tactics. Really, you are the abused wife telling her friends that this time he means it, he'll never hit me again. In 10 years you will still be arguing that the time is not right to make any waves, next year, after the next election, will be the right time to tackle the problem . . . Posted by: Monkeytoe at October 18, 2013 07:31 AM (sOx93) ------------------- Actually, he expects no such thing. In this scenario, Gabe is the abusive husband, and he is telling you that he has no intention of changing, and if you and that mouthy bitch at the women's shelter don't like it, then maybe you just need four across the lip. It's not that Gabe has fallen for the Establishment's bullshit. He IS the Establishment. Young D.C. lawyer who makes his living off the status quo. I no longer expect better from him. His interests are not my interests.

52 I think later this weekend, Mrs VIA may go to the range and shoot.
She will probably go with two of our friends, Two women in a committed relationship to each other. Been together for years. Raised a son to serve in the military. Believe in civil union,but not gay marriage. Staunch conservatives who wish that the government would reduce spending, and tighten up on entitlement programs. They despise the Dems, and are constantly let down fiscally by the GOP.

I find that I have more in common politically and ethically with these two women than many other people that I know.

Yeh...it makes my head hurt, but it is what it is.

I wish I could photoshop a Tea Party flag with a rainbow background.

53 40 RushBabe at October 18, 2013 07:28 AM (hrIP5)


Maybe and I hope so.

I'll donate direct.

I fear that the nice truck will be parked over at HILLARY! HQ if Cruz is the winner.

I may park my uglier beat up red truck over at Hillary! if Chrispy Chreme is the winner.

54 He has positioned himself as the undisputed front runner for 2016 -- well, as far as our ilk is concerned. Reagan and Nixon actually did the same thing by standing by Barry Goldwater when the establishment trashed him. Cruz and Lee stood up for what was right and even those on the left realize it. Posted by: RushBabe at October 18, 2013 07:28 AM (hrIP5) Cruz & Lee are the only ones that actually tried to do something to rid us of TFGcare. They vowed to do what ever they could and in my eyes, they are the only two senators worth keeping. McCain is a traitor, Graham is an idiot, but harmless compared to McConnell. McConnell has to go, heÂ’s not a leader. He refused to take a stand on Syria until the people in the country spoke out. Cantor also had to go. IÂ’m not sure of Boehner. I think heÂ’s a bad speaker but we know the SCOAMF is a petty, childish man child. We do not know just how bad he is to deal with on a one to one basis. IÂ’m going to give Boehner the benefit of the doubt for now. They gave him a standing ovation, there must be a reason for that.

55 you can't "win elections" if people don't see a dimes but of difference between you and the democrat. Then they will just vote for the democrat or not vote at all Posted by: thunderb
..........
This notion (no difference between the parties) has become so pervasive, that it now stands as "fact" for a lot of y'all here.  I just don't see where you come up with it.  We just fought a battle for nearly 3 weeks that clearly showed the difference.  The House Republicans passed bill after bill, nearly unanimously, defunding Obamacare, funding the important stuff, etc..

The battle was un-winnable.  And because a lot of you refuse to believe that, the GOP is now dead to you.  It's ridiculous.  The GOP, except for known squishes like McCain and other Senators stood up and let our positions get as much press time as the libtard MFM would allow - which isn't much.  But I think the American voter saw clear distinctions.

56 53 Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 18, 2013 07:39 AM (CCEiC)

Pretty much the same.

In the end the fight is more about prioritization than goals.

The big monster truck thinks Gay Marriage is issue #1....

I put civil unions at about # 53.

Well Gabe is gonna win and I am gonna go pluck a string.

57 56 Chi-Town Jerry at October 18, 2013 07:41 AM (b/lt+)

No back when I gave a fuck it was because the GOP had the opportunity to bullbait and highlight that "we have sent x number of bnills to Reid, we are prepared to fund Obamacare but look at these problems..."

Instead we got John fucking McCain machine gunning the Tea Partiers in the back.

NOT a fucking problem.

Moogan has you covered.

58 I hope that Ted Cruz begins an 'exploratory committee' for a run at the Presidency. Because I got some money I would ordinarily send to the GOP that will head in his direction instead. This 'battered wife' isn't giving a ten spot to the abusing husband to go out and get a six pack.

59

This notion (no difference between the parties) has become so pervasive, that it now stands as "fact" for a lot of y'all here. I just don't see where you come up with it.

 

Perhaps the fact that Leviathan has grown at an almost unchecked pace since - oh, hell, I'll be generous  -  LBJ, and the GOP has done nothing, even during the terms of Ronaldus Maximus, to slow or stop its growth.  A Republican party would long since have zero-budgeted HUD, DoE, IRS and EPA out of existence.

 

Show me where the Republicans have fought for, achieved and continued to hold to, a smaller government.  News flash: they haven't.

60 "Goldberg writes once again that this was about a fight over tactics, but conservatives simply don't believe that." Call me conservative. It wasn't a fight over tactics. It was a fight over policy. >see BB at post 10 What solutions have the critics of Cruz et al offered other than rolling over?

61 See the die was cast and the left part of our caucus was such team players that...they went full McCain.

No problem.

No really I get it.

You'll recall that post 08's loss I said and meant "SHUT THE GREMLIN THE FUCK UP or I have had it."

Well I held my nose and was a good little elephant right up until post 2012 when Johnny boy started sucking Barry's dick again.

I'm no elephant, I'm a Bull-Moose.

62 Fuck this shit. The Booker Lonegan race was supposed to be a "referendum" on the shutdown so how did it go? Lonegan lost but only by 10+%, outperforming the "electable" Saint Willard of the Latter Days who got slattered by over 18%. The RNC contributed nothing to Lonegan; it was only Palin, Levin and local volunteers who gave up their time. So fuck all the pukes and squishes who jerk off to a bunch of dogshit polls. The only poll that mattered was relatively positive.

63 As more and more problems begin to surface with Obamacare, there may be a nice little comedy developing.
GOP wanted to delay the roll-out by a year.
Barky said "It's good to go, don't fuck with my signature legislation"
More and more media reports show that Obamacare is not ready for prime time.
Barky is stuck with the inconvenient fact that if he blinks and delays it, the GOP is going to go with "Stupid rabid ass jug eared fuck  could have saved the nation a lot of pain, but he went all petulant on us", or something like that.

64 "GOP or conservatives..."

Not and.  Or.

That's about the sum  of it.  Here's a prediction for you, Gabe.  GOP has many many fewer votes  from conservatives from here on.

Good luck, you're going to need it. 

65 The GOP, except for known squishes like McCain and other Senators stood up

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... and promptly sent opposition research on Ted Cruz to Chris Wallace.

My heroes.  They make medals for people like them and Saint Joan.

66 Instead we got John fucking McCain machine gunning the Tea Partiers in the back. Posted by: sven10077 at October 18, 2013 07:43 AM **** Makes me wonder about those accounts that he was totally compromised by Charlie and spilled his guts the whole time.

67 Back in 2009, I wrote Rich Lowry and asked, as a 20 year NR subscriber, that he stop mocking Sarah Palin.

His one sentence answer -- "She could do a cooking show."

That from a guy who's wiki entry shows his primary achievements in life before heading NR were to have double-majored in English and history, to have worked as a research assistant to Krauthammer, and to have won SECOND PLACE in a NR writing contest. No business experience. No military. Never married.

But have you seen the crease in his pants?

68 What the Tea Party people need to do is start using their economic power. Most of us have jobs and have spending money. We need our leaders to stand up and publicly call for targeted boycotts like the left does. Aim for people who advertise on Facebook. Facebook supports Obama so hit them where it hurts. We need to have Tea Party AG's start bringing civil rights violations cases against Facebook for violating people's free speech rights. Will they will, probably not, but lets make them spend their money on law suits not Dem campaigns.

69 61 Golfman in NC at October 18, 2013 07:47 AM (gHDMy)

Purging the GOP of "Teahadists."

Well it's gonna be a short purge and we'll find out if the GOP can recruit enough democrats to make up the difference.

70 Why does Gabe write here? Do we need to hear from the McCain wing on a regular basis?

71 Good luck, you're going to need it. Posted by: BurtTC at October 18, 2013 07:48 AM Here's a thought, send ALL monies to Cruz instead of RNC and turn him into the Political Power Ranger

72 @68

How much longer did your NR subscription last?

73 I hate that our legislating has become theater and propaganda. That good ideas, and bad ones, don't stand or their own merits. Well fine then, get some strategists that understand theater. In February, Boehner should pass another CR on party lines that has everything in it, but repeals OCare, and then have all 233 Republican Reps walk it over to the Senate. Then adjourn. Then have every Republican, every one, answer any question, on any subject, by saying 'We have fully funded the government, except for OCare that the majority in this country doesn't want. Let the Senate pass that and then we can talk about what the people want to do about healthcare in this country.'

74 for all the bitching and complaining over the tactics of conservatives, no one offers any other path except "win elections"

fine

you can't "win elections" if people don't see a dimes but of difference between you and the democrat. Then they will just vote for the democrat or not vote at all

True shit.

The Establishment GOP is all about winning elections.

Just ask John McCain, Mitt Romney, George Allen, Denny Rehberg, Connie Mack, Tommy Thompson, Pete Hoekstra, Carly Fiorina, Nick Berg, and Scott Brown.

75 >>>The truth. It's like showing a cross to a vampire.......Maths don't lie.<<<

A) Personally, I think Ace is wrong about the truth always winning out. People don't believe in truth--they believe what is easy to believe, what they want to believe. Right now our entire society is geared toward enforcing and re-enforcing liberal progressive "Truth".

2) To the extent that the truth can win the GOP has expressed zero interest in getting it out there. No one in a major leadership position has called bullshit on Obama's economic numbers.

III) The potential voters that would be most receptive to the truth, working poor, upper lower class, and lower middle class, really aren't the current GOP's cup of tea. They are dirty, crude, unenlightened on issues like the gheys, immigration, and race relations, and generally just regarded as an embarrassment to anyone they vote for.

76

Chi town Jerry the GOP is dead to me not because they did not win

 

the GOP is dead to me because of the undermining actions of the leadership like McConnell and McCain.  I never thought they could repeal or defund Ocare.  I thought they could fight, get their message heard, and get a delay and a repeal of the medical device tax.  They may have if they were not undermined from the git go by Senate leadership.

 

As long as the GOP exists primarily to support the re-election of McCain, Graham and McConnell, then no, they will not get one ounce of support from me. 

77 69 southdakotaboy at October 18, 2013 07:49 AM (Baypg)

I agree.  Of course, I have been saying we need to out donkey donkey a long time.  Essentially the GOP has shown they are no ally to preserve what was and as such we are going to go over the cliff to being a banana republic.  The key to political victory in banana republics is having contacts with some lever of power and a willingness to get your SEIU thug on.

I plan to get tight with the Sheriff when I finally go home for the last time and have been ready to get my SEIU on for a long while.

78 I'm joining the theocracy party. And good morning .

79 @73-- cancelled that very day.

80 17 And the preferred way to confront the democrats is? Posted by: Goatweed at October 18, 2013 07:17 AM (8HrdX) Kneeling with open mouth, apparently......

81 The thing I have learned from the shutdown and the Republican response to it, is that we have elected men and women who are fine during fair weather and blow over without effort in a breeze. Obama has brought the hurricane. We need more people like Ted Cruz who don't mind standing in the hurricane, facing flying 2x4's and oak trees coming through the roof of the guest room. As Dave Ramsey says, the problem with Obamacare is math. And no one escapes math. At some point, and it's getting closer and closer, someone with huevos will have to stand again, only this time, Valerie Jarrett will have learned that intransigence works on spineless Republicans, just like she predicted. So it will take even longer, and be tougher. She and her little lad Barry want to take this whole country down. They have made huge strides in the last few weeks. I used to be an abused wife. I learned to flinch if my ex raised his hand to rub his nose (this is the way I see the Republicans in the face of Obama scowling and posturing). One day I woke up, realized my life sucked and would only get worse. I decided to leave him. The day I actually left was a scary as shit day - he had me pinned to the floor and was choking me, and was screaming that he wanted to kill me. At that moment I realized I could die then, or die slowly from staying, so might as well risk going. When the plane wheels lifted off the tarmac, I felt like I had let myself out of prison. My ex cleaned out all the bank accounts, and I was so broke I couldn't buy new underwear for nearly three years because I had to pay my lawyers. But later, I married a man who has been wonderful to me and wouldn't even bump into me roughly on purpose. You know what I learned from standing up and leaving? That I was strong, and I learned to face fear and be bold. Republicans in Congress should stand up and leave their abusers, and live through it. As it worked out, they chose to go back into "duck and cover" mode. Dumb for them, horrible for America.

82 75 Gregory of Yardale at October 18, 2013 07:51 AM (azHfB)

Heh correct...


let's look at the "moderate, moderate moderate ahoy" batting average...

they want us to vote, shut up, and pray they get a fair shake in the press...

I've seen that movie it was when John McCain looked like a deer in the headlights that he was no longer Maverick to Chris Matthews but was "Arch Neo-Con John McCain"

Yeah I'm gonna go play golf or something this movie sucks.

83 @80

I'm also a former subscriber.

WFB must be spinning.

84 More and more media reports show that Obamacare is not ready for prime time. Not only that, it has a fatal flaw. Anyone can claim to be American Indian and escape the most financially devastating parts. Once that information becomes common knowledge 'voluntary compliance' will go directly into the shitter. Reminds me of the old Jamaican Song: ♫ Woe, misery Shame and scandal in the family Woe, misery Shame and scandal in the family In Jamaica there was a family With much confusion as you will see It was a momma and a papa and a boy who was grown Wanted to marry a wife of his own Found a young girl suited him nice So he went to his papa to ask his advice His papa said: "Son, I have to say no, That girl is your sister, but your momma don't know" A week went by and the summer came round Soon the best cook in the island he found He went to his papa to make a day His papa shook his head and to him he did say "You Can't marry that girl I have to say no That girl is your sister, but your momma don't know" He went to his momma and he covered his head And told his momma what his papa had said His momma she laughed, she says: "Go man, go Your daddy ain't your daddy, but your daddy don't know." ♬

85 17 And the preferred way to confront the democrats is? Posted by: Goatweed at October 18, 2013 07:17 AM (8HrdX) Kneeling with open mouth, apparently...... Posted by: qixlqatl at October 18, 2013 07:53 AM Well you don't want to become UnPopular, Do You?!

86 Before I start work, I just wanted to note that you are full of shit Chi-Town Jerry. Have fun winning elections with them illegals.

87 It might help with the "messaging" if we had a Speaker of the House who wasn't an inarticulate dumbass. The drunk pile of shit had plenty of opportunities to explain what was going and he whiffed on every fucking one of them. So in swooped McCain to fill the void; what could go wrong with that?

88 67 Beto at October 18, 2013 07:48 AM (VWfCN)

Dunno...

I do know that the Keating Five...

were all Democrats

89 The GOP is dead to me over shit like voting for cloture and then voting against the (any) bill knowing it will lose. See Richard Burr Effing R-NC. If the pederast was in the minority, would his minions be voting for cloture ?

90 Math mom - You deserve all good things. God bless you.

91 It's early, and I'm already submerged neck deep into the emotions involved in this, and local political fights that literally are taking place in our neighborhood. It puts a strain on everything to constantly battle the efforts to destroy both our neighborhood, and our nation.
So.........

Anyone see this one over on the side bar?
Feel free to share with at least one of the 'Ette's


http://tinyurl.com/3tcslj2

92

68 "Back in 2009, I wrote Rich Lowry and asked, as a 20 year NR subscriber, that he stop mocking Sarah Palin."

 

Ace argued the other day that Karl Rove had the constitutional right to tear COD apart after she became the candidate for senate in Delaware.

 

Well, no shit.  Yes, Rove has the First Amendment on his side and so does Rich Lowry.

 

Then, apparently last night, Ace says it's just honesty and principle that forces right leaning writers to adopt the left's memes and point out our candidate's faults.

 

Yeah, I pretty proud of guys.  We're the truth tellers.

93

WFB must be spinning.

 

I canceled my subscription the day WFB died, though frankly, it was going downhill for quite a while beforehand.

 

 

94 we got John fucking McCain machine gunning the Tea Partiers in the back. NOT a fucking problem. Moogan has you covered. Posted by: sven10077 at October 18, 2013 07:43 AM (9jfyN) Sven, It’s very simple, McCain is just a jealous old man because he got zero media attention, except to show up on talk shows and shoot Cruz, conservatives and Tea Partiers in the back. Despite what that old fool has said, we know he’s wrong. He wants to be that Maverick but he’s got no fight in him unless it is to fight against Cruz and anyone else that doesn’t meet his moderate stand. That old fool ran to the right to be reelected and then turned right back into a traitor to the conservatives that fell for his “change of heart” regarding how dangerous the open border was. He should retire now and take McConnell with him. I would keep Graham we could replace those two with at least half the balls of Cruz.

95 72 -

Cruz seems like a decent guy, and he certainly earned his stripes in this fight, but the problem appears to be politics in Washington, and unfortunately for him, he's a politician in Washington.

I  think it's time to look elsewhere for solutions. 

96 never be proud of adopting the left's "memes".  That does not make one a "truth teller" and that is not what Ace said.

97 @84 -- yes, I wonder what WFB missed. He was getting tired and old (he said so in an interview with Charlie Rose not long before he died).

Anyhow, there is something very odd going on at NR. Lowry, Noemie Emery, Jonah Goldberg have all savaged the tea parties. I know it has something to do with class, but I also wonder if they feel threatened by a new wave of conservatism that may undercut their prestige.

98 http://youtu.be/5RoFmHR8S3Y

The Real Goodfella (Henry Hill documentary) 2006

A better movie than "The Attack of the Gremlin-Texas Chainsaw Massacre Sixty-Nine"

99
L.A. has gone eight days with no homicides, police data show

In a city that averages about one slaying a day, Los Angeles hasn't seen a homicide in eight days. The most recent homicide in the city occurred Oct. 8 and was the 217th this year.

LANow



BRB.....

100 95 CarolT at October 18, 2013 07:58 AM (z4WKX)

I'd knock on doors for Alvin Greene here in South Carolina over Lindsey Graham...

the game is over...if the "Smart GOP" wants to keep rubber stamping the mule agenda let's get real mules.

101

I forget whom - either Chi-Town Jerry or JeffB - but someone in one of yesterday's threads accused the Tea Party folk of "wanting their asses kissed."

 

I believe in the Tea Party's goals of a smaller government and less taxation.  I believe in the Tea Party's goal of Constitutional adherence.  For the moment, men like Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Mike Lee and Trey Gowdy appear to also share those goals (albeit there might be small slips along the way).  Because I support Ted Cruz, John McCain calls me a "wacko bird."  Peter King says I should be "run out of the party."

 

I won't demand you kiss my ass.  I will ask that you stop kicking me in the ass, however.

102 82 MathMom at October 18, 2013 07:53 AM (9vYhK)

God bless you MathMom...

stay strong

103 #94 I've regarded it as boring and tedious compared to the Weekly Standard. It got to a point where all I'd look at was Rob Long's column.

104 101 -

The Dodgers are about to get knocked out of the postseason.

Watch for  a correlated uptick in shooting and stabbings. 

105 In a perfect world, we conservatives would take the GOP over as it would be a much better solution than a third party. Sadly, I have no idea on how to do that....

106 I was of course, referencing LDC's post, not Sven's. 

107

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at October 18, 2013 07:51 AM (P/gm7)

 

Lotsa truth in that comment.

 

At least we got Cruz and Lee out of the partial shutdown theatre play. I have a lot of respect for those two, and I should include Rand Paul. Add in Trey Gowdy and we have the beginnings of a valid, intelligent, unflappable Tea  Party wing of the GOP.

 

As for   the truth, I believe that there are many more out there in Flyover Country that look at what passes for popular culture and says, "WTF?" I know I do. Insert rant here about psychology and peer   pressure.

108

Math Mom - what a sad story.  I'm so happy you got out and found peace.

 

Morning, Carol.  Prayers for you.

 

Is J.J. late today or on vacation?

109

97 "never be proud of adopting the left's "memes". "

 

That's how you show the world how "reasonable" and "level headed" you are.  When you roll your eyes the same way Mika does, you show that you're not one of "them". 

 

Hey, anyone can have any opinion they want of public figures.  What we're talking about is the optics of when you voice those opinions. 

 

It doesn't matter if every liberal in the world is talking trash about someone.  That's what they do.  It only becomes real when people on our side start agreeing with them.

 

It may be their honest opinion, but it really doesn't help the cause.

110 106 -

Bottom up, I believe.   That will mean however, lots of losses in Washington  and elsewhere in the mean time. 

111 Which Moron did this?


About 65 cases of 20-year-old Pappy Van Winkle bourbon were swiped from a secure area at Buffalo Trace Distillery's Frankfort operations, Franklin County Sheriff Pat Melton said.

112 102 Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 18, 2013 08:02 AM (zF6Iw)

Join Empire of Jeff and I over in the "not GOP" wing.

King, McCain, and Shiny Ford seem to have hidden legions of voters somewhere.

113 Barky is stuck with the inconvenient fact that if he blinks and delays it, the GOP is going to go with "Stupid rabid ass jug eared fuck could have saved the nation a lot of pain, but he went all petulant on us", or something like that. Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 18, 2013 07:48 AM (CCEiC) The only few in the GOP that will point that out are Cruz, Lee & Rubio! Yes, we liked Rubio until he started with the immigration & Gang of 8, but how many know that it was McConnell that pulled him into it? Mitch is up for reelection next year and has to try to act as a conservative but he wants to do what the establishment and big business wants so that theyÂ’ll help his campaign. He did something to get Marco to go along with it.

114 Well it's gonna be a short purge and we'll find out if the GOP can recruit enough democrats to make up the difference.

********************

The current 'Rat electoral strategy, in miniature, is:  "FREE TRIPLE SCOOPS OF ICE CREAM FOR EVERYBODY, EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!"

The current establishment GOP counter-proposal -- the absolute, unalloyed best their Rove/Morris/NRO brain trust can come up with, by way of direct response -- is:  "NO, NO!  EVEN BETTER:  FREE *DOUBLE* SCOOPS, AND ONLY *FIVE* DAYS A WEEK!!!"

The very concept that there is not now, nor ever *will* be any appreciable voting constituency for Everything the Other Guys is Promising, Only Slightly Less OF It, seems to be one eternally beyond their collective ability to decently grasp -- like a terrier attempting to grok John Cage music, or a cantaloupe struggling with the principles of long division.

 A political opposition message, in order to be successfully competitive, has to actually... y'know...stand in OPPOSITION to something.

Just sayin'.

115
Anyhow, there is something very odd going on at NR. Lowry, Noemie Emery, Jonah Goldberg have all savaged the tea parties.
Posted by: Salt Lick




Not odd at all.  National Review has been the farm team for New York Times editorial page complacent "conservatives" for years.

Heck, they even gave the ghastly Frum a pulpit. Made him a Diarist, sent him on the cruises, the whole kit.

116 Fuck that, it's over.
Posted by: sven10077 at October 18, 2013 07:27 AM

Fuck those guys. They tell us all the goddamn time to "support the party" but they don't lift a finger for someone even slightly to their right. See: Steve Lonegan. How much closer would it have been if Christie rubbed some of his landslide mojo on a fellow Jersey Republican? And HE got a lot of Tea Party support to get that job and he spits in our face now. WTF is wrong with these people? They constantly talk about electability and we ahve to elect republicans to govern. Well, there's one RIGHT THERE, where the fuck are you?

117 @106 -- get behind tea party endorsed challengers in Republican primaries. Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, etc -- all the legislators who are standing up to the Dems were helped enormously by tea party groups.

Mark Bevin is challenging Mitch McConnell next year. I'm donating to him.

118 I see Malor is still standing proudly atop the Internet Sales Tax hill with hardly a shot fired.

119 @116 -- I guess I wasn't fully engaged in those days, not paying attention while the soft coup occurred. My first inkling of problems was when David Brooks got on the Lehrer show and seemed to agree with Lehrer and Shields more than he disagreed.

120 115 kent at October 18, 2013 08:06 AM (L7f6N)

The way I sum up King/McCain o vision is "uh we'll give you 85% of what Bark wants er at 97.95% of the price....!"

Yeah?

Really?

Fuck you go full tard or be something different assholes.

121 76 >>>The truth. It's like showing a cross to a vampire.......Maths don't lie.<<<

A) Personally, I think Ace is wrong about the truth always winning out. People don't believe in truth--they believe what is easy to believe, what they want to believe. Right now our entire society is geared toward enforcing and re-enforcing liberal progressive "Truth".

2) To the extent that the truth can win the GOP has expressed zero interest in getting it out there. No one in a major leadership position has called bullshit on Obama's economic numbers.

III) The potential voters that would be most receptive to the truth, working poor, upper lower class, and lower middle class, really aren't the current GOP's cup of tea. They are dirty, crude, unenlightened on issues like the gheys, immigration, and race relations, and generally just regarded as an embarrassment to anyone they vote for.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living...

That^? My conclusion, too. Hate to admit such a thing but modern America runs on make-believe. "Fractured Fairy Tales" has become reality for most citizens. Ugh. Just? Ugh....

122 This isn't Roadhouse. "Be Nice" doesn't exactly work with the democrats. We could have asked for Chi Town Jerry's wish list of demands and played it exactly the way he wanted, and the republicans would have still been demonized and still caved. It's not about tactics - it's about caving and being completely helpless against the media. That's a leadership problem. Take away the tea party - who is a strong leader of the GOP? McCain? Graham? Boehner? All of them are old white jokes who couldn't lead themselves out of a paper bag.

123 Like an Allen G saying, it is always important to point out the Stupid Party has earned that soubriquet in many hard fought battles. 


Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, as are their "loyal" subjects.


Unaccountable petty tyrants, freed from any restraint, will do evil.


But at least the Mall was kept safe from those potential terrorist WW II vets that might have crushed some grass with their wheel chairs.

124 It can't help Barky that Drudge has this article as the headline.
And maybe worse yet, it's Market watch, which doesn't strike me as too conservative.
So perhaps people will read it with an open mind.

http://tinyurl.com/ljh7z7b

125 Want the best take on WHAT JUST HAPPENED? Michael Walsh at PJMedia... http://tinyurl.com/k7jdkba The closing paras are the best. And Gabe, you especially, whould read them.

126 117 Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at October 18, 2013 08:07 AM (ylG8S)

Shit I could at least deal with their snarky hubris being "electability" we've graduated to "grow the fuck up"...

yeah grow the fuck up?

I grew up at 15 and had to pay rent, and oddly feed myself without foodstamps there McCain gang.

I learned a bitter lesson you have to have more fucking dollars coming in than going out.

Difference between Matt Yglesias' 1.2 million dollar house and my 104,000 one?

Mine is bigger, and the money was earned by my wife and I not my dead dad.

127 MV Seaman Guard Ohio: India police arrest crew of US ship BBC News, Oct. 18 http://tinyurl.com/kcm3bma According to AdvanFort there were privately contracted security personnel on board the Sierra-Leone registered MV Seaman Guard Ohio. Analysts say that anti-piracy measures on high-risk shipping routes are poorly regulated and India is increasingly sensitive to violations of its maritime boundaries. Police in India say they have arrested the crew of a US-owned ship accused of illegally entering Indian waters with a huge cache of weapons on board. Officials say MV Seaman Guard Ohio was detained on 12 October by the Indian Coast Guard and is currently anchored at a port in southern Tamil Nadu state. Its 35-member crew include Indians, Britons, Ukrainians and Estonians. There have been differing accounts of the chain of events from the Indian authorities and the US-based security firm. The US embassy told the BBC it had "no comment" to make. The British high commission in Delhi said consular officials had been in touch with them. India directly supports the multi-national campaign to combat the mostly Somali pirates targeting ships in the Indian Ocean with its own navy. But it's been controversial too, with the Indian authorities prosecuting two Italian marines on anti-piracy duty for allegedly shooting two fishermen inside Indian waters last year. And this came after the Indian government was accused here of being soft on Italy, by initially releasing the marines. With elections approaching the government will want to avoid giving any new ammunition to its opponents.

128 the GOP or conservatives hehe exactly

129 Has Rich Lowry scourged himself for the Sharpton was right comments? Until then, he can suck it.

130 129 artisanal 'ette at October 18, 2013 08:14 AM (IXrOn)

yeah the slip was showing....

131 Remember, all the GOP has to do is take the Senate and the Presidency and then it'll be smooth sailing. Nevermind what actual history tells us.

132 "Lowry notes that after weeks of squirming, we ended up pretty much where we started, but I think it's worse than that."

Er, well, no.

Before this started, the GOP had bitched and moaned about Obamacare, but hadn't done anything genuinely substantive to resist its implementation.

Now, as Obamacare slowly grinds into motion, with a horrible clashing of gears and cloud of acrid smoke, and heads for the edge of the cliff, the GOP have made at least a clear statement of intent regarding the thing.

There will be a _lot_ of voters who are unhappy with Obamacare. That groundswell of discontent is happening already. And the GOP now can say to those people something that they could not have said previously. To wit:

"Hey, we did everything we could to stop this thing you hate. We even shut down the less necessary parts of the government over it. But the Democrats put us in a position where if we resisted any longer, genuinely necessary government functions were likely to stop.. We couldn't in good conscience take it that far. So the blame for this Obamacare mess rests with the Democrats who insisted so hard on making it happen. It's all on them."

133

You know, I never had educators like this:  High School Spanish Teacher Who Posed for Playboy Fired

 

http://tinyurl.com/ommr2le

 

134

In a perfect world, we conservatives would take the GOP over as it would be a much better solution than a third party. Sadly, I have no idea on how to do that....

 

First thing it to find a good candidate, then send money directly to their office. Bypass the RNC or any other establishment GOP organization altogether. That's been how most TP candidates have  achieved success.

 

If you look at the political landscape since '09, we really have made quite a bit of progress.  Not quickly  enough, but enough to  garner some influential enemies, especially within our own ranks. And certainly not enough to stem the tide of Prog/Coms, but we need to remember that nothing is cast in stone, and anything the government does, government can undo. It's simple but not  easy.

 

TFG Fatigue  is starting to settle in. LIV's are about  to get a big dose  of reality with   404Care. The economy is still in the shitter.  People will notice that all is not unicorns and rainbows.

135 Posted by: backhoe at October 18, 2013 08:09 AM (ULH4o)


The "tell" to me is that no one in senior Republican RINO establishment circles has ever really tried to get a message, any message, out there (Sen Cruz and a few others being the exception, but not they are exactly "senior" members of the leadership coterie).  Until I see the House Leader and the Senate Minority Leader out on the Capitol steps every day at high noon preaching about the evils of progressivism, single payer health care, unrestrained illegal immigration, voter fraud, ever-increasing government spending, etc., I know that I am being played (worse yet, played by incompetents that couldn't hold a real non-political job for more than a week).

136
Will House moderates stop deferring to hard-liners so as to give the speaker a workable majority with which to make conservative gains?

Will the speaker of the House adopt a more confrontational stance with hard-liners in order to advance achievable conservative legislation?

Will conservative media wise up and stop enabling destructive forces and figures?

Will donors to Heritage and other right-wing groups sour on use of their funds to attack conservatives who donÂ’t measure up to Cruzian levels of fanaticism?

Mainstream conservatives donÂ’t have the ability to stop Cruz from being Cruz or to convince Jim DeMint to stop being a menace. They can, however, push back. One way is by, as Sen. Lindsey Graham did....


Jennifer Rubin - "Mainstream Conservative"

WaPo http://tinyurl.com/ln5luwx

137 The only enemy to defeat is the media.

138 132 Burn the Witch at October 18, 2013 08:16 AM (ObHhj)

Well let's pretend that is right...

Oh wow we manage to win it all the public finally sours on Ogabenism despite the fact we never precisely go hard against it somehow...

"you have nothing to fear from this rat eared fucker"....

We'll instantly pad Ogabecare....

"replace"

Raise internet taxes, pass amnesty

Past results ARE indicative of future performance.

139 Shut down?  Bidens fault, he's a woosie.....

140 weak-as-water nonentities like Ayotte

--

This is a perfect description of this very big disappointment of a senator.  I believe the first thing she ever did was sew herself onto McCain's coattails.  I have zero use for her. 

141 Those Republicans arguing there were rotten tactics used in the battle, or the end-game was always going to be a loss, are entirely missing the point. For all too long, the GOP has pronounced itself the better governing party. If the national political discussion has been dominated by collectivist tyrants, say the Repubs, well then we should try to make the tyranny more effective and less damaging to the economy. This fight was doomed to fail in tactical terms from the beginning. But it starkly illustrated who is on our side and who is on the other side. Peter King being a great example, since he flew the most ardent anti-Tea strafing missions in support of Democrats throughout the fight. The fight also began to put a dent in the Presidents stubborn poll support. It turned Harry Reid,in the minds of the broader public, not a figure of dislike. This battle may have seemed to the inside ball players of politics to be a loser from the start, but it prepared the ground for the far more serious battles coming up. It was noble, and it made an overtly ideological pitch to the public. That's going to be a big help to us going forward.

142 126. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)--also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at October 18, 2013 08:12 AM (659DL) Zing

143 Posted by: torquewrench at October 18, 2013 08:16 AM (gqT4g)


Sorry, but I think our incompetent RINO ruling class "leadership" cannot even go that far.

144 141 Lady in Black, awake since 3:00am at October 18, 2013 08:19 AM (XB5Ak)

Along with Marco "my little cabana muchacho" Rubio...

the GOP really thinks we are fucking joking about muzzle fucking McCain...

the problem can't be "with muzzling" or they wouldn't be trying to shut Cruz the fuck up...

so the GOP *is* McCain....

well okay nice problem you have there GOP...

notice YOU and GOP b/c if Juan Queeg is the GOP I am a libertarian.

145 135 You're right, of course, and I guess movements like this take time. I'm just not sure how much time that we have left. And if we can't beat back these spineless assholes who run our party, what business do we have fighting?

146

"Three legal groups are fighting to take the lead role in Virginia lawsuits that they think will lead to nation-wide lawful gay marriage. I flag it because you're probably going to be hearing about either the Bostic or the Harris cases next year."

 

Gabe, I enjoy a lot of your posts but keep wondering if you were a fiscal con you would write about that but since your main focus is gay marriage and little else what do we do with you?   It seems to be an odd fit.

147 It was noble, and it made an overtly ideological pitch to the public. That's going to be a big help to us going forward.

Posted by: MTF at October 18, 2013 08:20 AM (qf2kI)

It also clearly showed us how little "nobility" we have in the current crop of Republicans nationwide.

148 142 MTF at October 18, 2013 08:20 AM (qf2kI)

Correct this is not a tactical, or operational loss this is a result of schizoid strategic vision.

The same thing the war on terror has devolved to, we are acting as the initial OPFOR's air force these days.

That is not hyperbole.

149 The Tea party represents an unfocused anger with the status quo and the GOP better find a way to utilize it at all levels. Otherwise, they will end up with a large disaffected bloc of voters who will take enormous effort to turn out on Election Day. The other path is a Tea party take over at the local level, this takes time and the Old. Bulls are going to hate it.

150 A political opposition message, in order to be successfully competitive, has to actually... y'know...stand in OPPOSITION to something.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: kent at October 18, 2013 08:06 AM (L7f6N)
===========

Agreed.

The problem we conservative face is that we are standing in opposition to Santa Claus.

That's a tough sell to an infantilized electorate.

151 It is a GOOD thing that Gabe writes here. He has a pragmatic view of the politics involved in the issues we fight for. News flash: America is not overwhelmingly in love with the Tea party. This fight needed to happen. The coalition was fracturing. The Tea party needed a lesson in politics. They got their fight, lost but now know how it works. Don't abandon the GOP. Take it over. Remember when the Dem party wasn't led by hard left progressives? Remember when they were 1/2 Blue Dogs? Progressives learned that you have to have patience, work locally and take over the party bit by bit. I believe the Tea party is beginning to grasp this concept. Now, if they can grasp that you need likable, non-complete-kook candidates (Akin, Mourdock, etc), they will continue to strengthen their numbers with more Cruz's and Paul's and effect political change.

152 Here's a tidbit. Link in nick "Coyotes attack man near Niwot; wildlife officials kill two of three involved" I don't think the headline means the officials killed the man and one of the coyotes, but if it was NPS, who knows?

153

What the Tea Party people need to do is start using their economic power. Most of us have jobs and have spending money. We need our leaders to stand up and publicly call for targeted boycotts like the left does. Aim for people who advertise on Facebook. Facebook supports Obama so hit them where it hurts.

 

You rang?

 

http://www.2ndvote.com/

154 Cruzian levels of fanaticism [...]  convince Jim DeMint to stop being a menace

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Note to Ms. Rubin:  when your shit is no longer even remotely discernible from Rachel Maddow's, in any conceivable way -- you are no longer, by any honest or intellectually defensible definition of the word, "conservative."

155

Goldberg writes once again that this was about a fight over tactics, but conservatives simply don't believe that.

 

And why would we believe it? You seem to think that there are no reasons to distrust the Republican establishment. Our last presidential candidate was Mr. Romneycare and one of the "conservative" alternatives to him was Newt Gingrich, who wrote in favor of the federal mandate. Ask a Republican about his solution to pre-existing conditions and they will have a good reason to weasel out of the question. Paul Ryan announces that he wants to work hard to secure Social Security for the next 75 years as a federal program and so prolong the rotten legacy of FDR. Or look at the Comprehensive Immigration Betrayal.

 

Why the hell would we trust any of them?

156 Jennifer Rubin should go back to working for Hollywood studios since her values are much more aligned there.

157
At sea aboard the MS Noordam, off the coast of Greece

THE WEEKLY STANDARD cruisers were supposed to go ashore today in Greece. But high seas prevented the cruise ship from docking at Katakolon, so we're unfortunately missing the ruins at Olympia.

Our extra day at sea seems a metaphor for the state of the Republican party...

William Kristol - "Mainstream Conservative"

http://tinyurl.com/mbe55lm



"Oh, the Republicans lost again? Quelle domage."

158 152 bruceinsocal at October 18, 2013 08:23 AM (bn38K)

We gifted the GOP the House in 2010/

What have we gotten?

No fuck the GOP...if the best fiscal hawk is a GOPer great....and if the GOPer is AMIGO GRANDE! FREE SHIT FOR ALL! vote for the D.

Time to humble the GOP I thought they had been humbled in 2006 by Nanzi Pelousy evidently they can't learn so we have to.

159 159 Laurie David's Cervix at October 18, 2013 08:26 AM (kdS6q)

Wonder if the SS Poppin' Fresh was alongside....

160 It's hard to have a consistent message when we have squish Republicans and Traitors like that senile bastard in AZ. Don't blame the message, blame the messengers. If we had stuck to ONE, and only one, consistent point ( LIke the Vitter Amendment) we might have made headway. But we jumped back and forth from the medical device tax, to delaying the individual mandate, to yada yada yada. Give the lying scumbag democrats credit, they stay on message and stay united under threat of excommunication. We have to rid ourselves of scumbag traitors and grow a pair and a consistent doable message.

161 @137 --"Will the speaker of the House adopt a more confrontational stance with hard-liners in order to advance achievable conservative legislation? Will conservative media wise up and stop enabling destructive forces and figures?"

Sit down with a Republican legislator and look them directly in the eyes and ask if they want to end ObamaCare. I've done this with a few, and I can tell from the look in their eyes and the body language that the real answer is "no."  The majority of them just want to craft their own program.

The majority of them like big government.

That's why we primary them.

162 Oh Morning all

163 I saw Dr. Ben Carson on Fand F this am. I'm really starting to like that guy. He defended the Teaparty and pronounced Chrissy Matthews utterings as appropriate to a third grader. Then noted that it was Zero and his crab lice who were happy to drive the country over the fiscal cliff to protect their pet program and NOT the GOP.

164 Morning all. Woke up with a 'fuck this thing in particular' attitude. Slowly getting better. Time to scroll up to get pissed off again.

165 Speaking of tactics, the low hanging fruit is Lindsey. His primary may define how long the GOP exists. Beating will be a victory, a rout that sees him not even in the runoff should be the goal. Pure gravy would be him punting early, and announcing his retirement.

166 So after Evangelicals and SoCons turned out for Romney, when three million McCain voters stayed home, now the GOP thinks it it time for same sex marriage to be fronted? Hell I might as well give money to Hillary so I could say I supported her successful Presidential run. If that makes me a bigot so be it I've sent my last dime to the GOP and will only support social and fiscal conservatives with my time and money directly. As I tweeted Levin last night, when the GOP said no thanks fuck off the morning after Romney lost, fiscal and social conservatives should have left the GOP and started their own party, as the GOP had lost two WH runs with moderate, "electable" candidates. Proving that the fallacy that you have to go to the center was just that, a fallacy. Now it is too late to form a third party with the midterms a little over a year away unless you are conceeding 14 and going full in for 16. Rough sledding ahead folks. To be honest, if you havent planned accordingly, you are screwed.

167 "If you're still in the mood for shutdown fight post-mortems"

Nope. It was already boring before it even ended.

168 Report: US may free up frozen Iranian assets, funds In light of Iranian readiness to resolve nuclear issue, US considers allowing Iran access to frozen assets, despite assurances made to Israel prior to Geneva talks Godfather: Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer obama: keep your enemies close, and fuck your friends

169 152 bruceinsocal at October 18, 2013 08:23 AM (bn38K)

AKIN WAS THE GODDAMNED ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE PICKED BY CLAIRE BEAR!

Will you stop blaming us for Tard fucking Akin?

I was as vocal as anyone he needed gone, and I was so vocal knowing that the "Smart GOP" wing would kill him that I pissed off one of my favorite people here Soothsayer.

I am tired of knowing that the media and the donks are gonna shoot at us...and like clockwork 1/3d of "our side" wants to shoot at us.

170 a pragmatic view of the politics involved in the issues we fight for. News flash: America is not overwhelmingly in love with the Tea party. [...] The Tea party needed a lesson in politics. [...] Don't abandon the GOP.

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I see no way your brilliant master plan could ever possibly fail, and Presidents Romney and McCain both agree with me.

171 Thank you, sven10077.

172 Yes, gay marriage again. The only thing that really matters to some.

173 Posted by: bruceinsocal at October 18, 2013 08:23 AM (bn38K) You mean the Todd Akin who received financial support from groups supporting Claire McCaskill? He was never the Tea Party candidate. But you're right, we need to be pragmatic and elect Republicans who won't be the 60th vote for Obamacare; candidates like Arlen Spectre.

174 165 maddogg at October 18, 2013 08:28 AM (xWW96)

Yeah it is a real hard leap of logic, and rhetoric to point out that SCOAMF and Reid caused this shit.

175 Jennifer Rubin - "Mainstream Conservative"

WaPo http://tinyurl.com/ln5luwx

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 18, 2013 08:18 AM (kdS6q)

 

After all, she is the succcessor of Dave Journolist Weigel.

176 Saudi Arabia, in an unprecedented show of anger at the failure of the international community to end the war in Syria and act on other Middle East issues, said on Friday it would not take up its seat on the United Nations Security Council. The kingdom condemned what it called international double standards on the Middle East and demanded reforms in the Security Council. Related: Rice slams UN Security Council's failure on Syria US: Russia holding UN Security Council hostage to protect Syria's Assad Riyadh's frustration is mostly directed at Washington, its oldest international ally, which has pursued policies since the Arab Spring that Saudi rulers have bitterly opposed and which have severely damaged relations with the United States, Saudi analysts have said. Saudi Arabia has also been angered by a rapprochement between Iran, its old regional foe, and the United States, which has taken root since President Barack Obama spoke by telephone last month to the new Iranian President, Hassan Rouhani, in the highest-level contact between the two countries in more than three decades. Citing the Security Council's failure to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian dispute, take steps to end Syria's civil war and to stop nuclear proliferation in the region, Riyadh said the body had instead perpetuated conflicts and grievances. "Saudi Arabia ... is refraining from taking membership of the UN Security Council until it has reformed so it can effectively and practically perform its duties and discharge its responsibilities in maintaining international security and peace," said a Foreign Ministry statement issued on state media. The conservative Islamic kingdom has traditionally avoided big political statements, preferring to wield its influence as world's top oil exporter, birthplace of Islam and chief Arab ally of the United States behind closed doors. Interesting. Well I think I have found someone who hates obama as much as me

177 MPPP, love the Indians/smoke signal story. When I was a kid, we went to one of those "living history" exhibits at Plimoth Plantation (yes, that's spelled correctly, before any grammar cops pull me over) near my hometown in Mass. One of the conceits is that they have to pretend that it's 1600s or earlier, so they act surprised if they see a watch or a camera, etc. Anyway, one of the Indians off to the side of the main exhibit was making a canoe, and I asked him what he paddled it with. He just looks at me without cracking a smile and says, "A paddle." The crowd reaction was a bit like the Alamo-basement scene in Pee Wee's Big Adventure. As a 12-year-old boy, I was really hoping that he was going to SHOW me what he paddled it with.

178 175 Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 18, 2013 08:31 AM (OWjjx)

Nah Gabe can stand with Juan...

I'd rather go stand in traffic on I-95

179 Here are three more things to take away from the shutdown showdown:

(a) This is a harbinger for how American politics will work for the next couple of years.

(b) The GOP are horrible at messaging.

(c) The GOP are deeply internally schismatic and conflicted.

Any hope of improvement on any of these?

There is no hope of improvement regarding (a). Welcome to the new reality.

There might be some hope of improvement of (b) if we can drum into retirement some of the old guard Beltway Republicans. They've been in D.C. for so long they have forgotten how to talk effectively to the voters. As evidenced by their constant use of inside-baseball budget terminology that a lot of the public just don't understand.

I don't think (c) will improve, but I expect that there will develop some equally significant schisms on the Democratic left to match the ones on the Republican right. That Obama is losing major labor unions like the longshoremen over Obamacare is a symptom of such fracturing of the left.

180 McCain stated that Louis Gohmert lacked intelligence. Gawd that idiot has no self awareness. I've met Gohmert personally. He is a former judge and brilliant.

181 173 MathMom at October 18, 2013 08:30 AM (9vYhK)

any time.... I have a lot of respect for survivors.

We're all in this together.

182

>>>>First thing it to find a good candidate, then send money directly to their office. Bypass the RNC or any other establishment GOP organization altogether. That's been how most TP candidates have achieved success.

 

I disagree with this now. Yes, that is the past result, and we've done it this exact way for the last two cycles [actually 4 since that method predates the TP] and we haven't really affected the GOP as an institution. You can argue that we're at some tipping point, and I'll listen to any proof you think there is of that. For myself, currently, I think we have to be more nimble than trying the same ole same ole and move on to staking out new claims.

 

Mostly, I think the problem is the GOP institutions. The funders, the advisors, the support and money structures, the chairs, everything. You can get a great candidate and get people to back him/her but in the end its only one person against an entrenched bureaucracy that isn't affected by any of that. They get swallowed by the sea  and the waves go on like nothing happened.

183

Don't abandon the GOP.

 

Heh. I don't plan  on abandoning it. I plan on taking it over.

184

 "Lowry notes that after weeks of squirming, we ended up pretty much where we started, but I think it's worse than that."

Er, well, no."

 

torquewrench, I agree.   Rich Lowry et al have missed the middle of the whole standoff.  For a few days there Republicans and conservatives felt like people again, like we mattered.  If Washington keeps delegitimizing almost half the population they will not like what that section of the country thinks about Washington, one party or the other.

185
The Real News of October 2013

On board the ms Noordam, at port in Venice

"Now, what news on the Rialto?" you ask those of us enjoying THE WEEKLY STANDARD Mediterranean cruise (echoing Solanio in Act 3, Scene 1, of the Merchant of Venice).

The answer: Not much news, but lots of fun. The cruise is now about half over, having started in Rome and stopped in Corfu, Kotor, and Dubrovnic, before the last day and a half in Venice. The panels on ship while at sea have, I think, been lively and interesting.

Whether on sea or land, though, it's been pretty easy to tune out the news from Washington, D.C., where Republicans seem to be in some disarray and the media is chortling about an anticipated victory for President Obama in the government shutdown/debt

And now, up to the top deck to say, Arrivederci Venezia!

William Kristoll - "Mainstreme Consevative"

http://tinyurl.com/kmq8yov

186 Some federal workers who were furloughed in Oregon could be getting paid twice, with a state official confirming to Fox News that those workers who received state unemployment benefits during the partial government shutdown will not have to re-pay the money. The spokesman for WorkSource Oregon Employment Department said the workers received at most a weekÂ’s worth of unemployment benefits. The spokesman said he did not know how many workers received the benefits. He confirmed that furloughed federal workers in the state do not have to re-pay the state unemployment benefits. The employees will receive double pay because the budget bill approved by Congress provides that all furloughed government workers will receive back pay for the days they did not work under the partial government shutdown. Sweet deal. And unfuckenbeoievable

187 Being prwned by Obama and the MSM does not make for a fun outcome. Gabe, you were right. Until we can change the narrative, it will always be the Republican's fault. How women and other LIV's buy the shit the MSM sells is beyond me, and I live with one. See believes it all and CNN, Headline News and Today Show never lie, blah blah blah. She also loves her ET. Repeal the 19th amendment!

188 "If you're in the D.C.-area, you might think about going." I stay on my side of the Mississippi and expect those on the east side to stay on their side.

189 Heh. I don't plan on abandoning it. I plan on taking it over. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 18, 2013 08:33 AM (0HooB) Exactly

190 182 torquewrench at October 18, 2013 08:32 AM (gqT4g)

THE GOP is willing to aid Ogabe in keeping the unions.

No no shit...trust me we will allow the unions to be exempted...and happily go along.

and I fucked up and used "we" the GOP is so fucking retarded they shouldn't be able to breathe.

191 183 McCain stated that Louis Gohmert lacked intelligence. Gawd that idiot has no self awareness. I've met Gohmert personally. He is a former judge and brilliant. Posted by: maddogg +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Gohmert is definitely one of the good guys.

192 "Hey, we did everything we could to stop this thing you hate. We even shut down the less necessary parts of the government over it. But the Democrats put us in a position where if we resisted any longer, genuinely necessary government functions were likely to stop.. We couldn't in good conscience take it that far. So the blame for this Obamacare mess rests with the Democrats who insisted so hard on making it happen. It's all on them."

Posted by: torquewrench at October 18, 2013 08:16 AM (gqT4g)
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That is an easily understood, cogent, powerful, effective and pursuasive argument.

Which is precisely why the Stupid Party will never use it- it would violate their "Never Miss an Opportunity to Miss an Opportunity" policy.

193

It is a GOOD thing that Gabe writes here. He has a pragmatic view of the politics involved in the issues we fight for.

 

He's got Beltway Fever.  So what he writes is a good barometer of what our "betters" in the party think.

 

News flash: America is not overwhelmingly in love with the Tea party.

 

Mainly because of the lies of the MFM.  Any further advancement of TP policies or people needs to have a concerted plan to outwit, outshout and burn the media like the Chicago fire.

 

This fight needed to happen. The coalition was fracturing. The Tea party needed a lesson in politics. They got their fight, lost but now know how it works.

 

We know who our enemies are.  Time to start counting coup.

194 174 Yes, gay marriage again. The only thing that really matters to some. Posted by: ejo at October 18, 2013 08:30 AM (oQvpB) _______ It's a top3 issue for Dems. By keeping the issue on the front burner, it keeps Dems engaged in off year elections. It's a smart move.

195 192 Nevergiveup at October 18, 2013 08:34 AM (1RQeV)

Not gonna happen, Chris Matthews and the newsies add their voice to the McCain wing anytime it is at risk...

the ONLY way to take it over is to let it blow up NGU...

I've been pondering it since 08

196 198 Mr. Moo Moo at October 18, 2013 08:35 AM (PMvWe)

I know let's make Gitmo a front pager too!

197 #152: Posted by: bruceinsocal at October 18, 2013 08:23 AM (bn38K)

Anyone claiming Akin was a Tea Party candidate immediately forfeits credibility.

198 196 Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 18, 2013 08:35 AM (OWjjx)

I'm sorry Mal, am I a Huckabee guy now?

Tard was a 5 term congresscritter who was gamed by Claire as an idiot.

He is SoCon if anything(and that is NOT a slam at SOCons) and was in NO way a Tea Party guy.

199 I noticed that when da Zero took over, Gitmo was no longer a story in the MFM.

200 Also, I never got why Mourdock's comment was so terrible. God loves all children, even the ones resulting from rape. We're supposed to hate him for holding that position? What's the alternative? Children of rape deserve to be beaten and hated?

201 Long-time lurker here. While the NBC poll that comically oversampled government workers was probably what scared the GOP into caving, it's not unexpected. If if wasn't that poll it would've been something else. But the fact that the shutdown happened at all is cause for hope for conservatives. It shows how much pull conservatives have within the GOP when they want to exercise it. I'm hopeful overall because I'm taking the long view. The Tea Party is not going away, and the people it elects are young and principled. McCain, Grahamnesty, Boehner... these are the old guard who will be retired, primaried, or dead in about 10 years. What we're witnessing is the messy birth of the new direction of the GOP.

202 His momma she laughed, she says: "Go man, go Your daddy ain't your daddy, but your daddy don't know." ♬ Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at October 18, 2013 07:54 AM (U2UQk) *** There's a very similar Appalachian song by Mike Cross. Elma Turl is a beautiful girl and I'd love to have her for my wife...

203

Repeal the 19th amendment!

 

No, we want to keep our lovely 'ettes in the process.  Repeal universal suffrage.

204 200 198 Mr. Moo Moo at October 18, 2013 08:35 AM (PMvWe) I know let's make Gitmo a front pager too! Posted by: sven10077 at October 18, 2013 08:36 AM (9jfyN) ______ Meaning?

205 #194 Wasn't Jeff B badmouthing Gohmert recently? Higher praise can't be found.

206 What we're witnessing is the messy birth of the new direction of the GOP. Posted by: TigerEmcee at October 18, 2013 08:39 AM (vQTNc) _____ Problem with that is we don't have 10 years to wait. In 10 years Obamacare will have turned into full on govt run health care and the debt will have grown another $15T.

207

I disagree with this now. Yes, that is the past result, and we've done it this exact way for the last two cycles [actually 4 since that method predates the TP] and we haven't really affected the GOP as an institution.

 

I really can't think of a better strategy than this.

 

Here's what I've seen of the TP Method: Several candidates will announce their intention to run as Pubbies. One of them will be the most   conservative of the group. The Establishment/National GOP  will ignore them.  Then, local TP orgs will start to  endorse the seeming loser, money starts flowing into the TP candidate coffers, allowing their message to get out.  They get elected.

 

I can recall a couple of candidates who had TP backing who were ignored by the Est/Nat GOP, IIRC, Cruz was the most recent. Rand was another.

 

In other words, TP candidates are  using their rejection as a springboard into office. It may be rather clumsy, but it seems to work. 

208 First of all there is no real Tea Party. What there is a bunch of Fiscally Conservative Republicans who want to instill some fiscal sanity into Washington DC. And I am SURE on individual policy issues a majority of the American People agree with us. It's only when we LET the MSM lump us together with a false narrative that the "Tea Party" come ups short in the polls. And that is our fault. We have to fight back

209 208 Mr. Moo Moo at October 18, 2013 08:39 AM (PMvWe)

Barky shot his people in the back on gitmo it motivates the Peacenik Human-Rights wing...

the GOP position is "keep it open" Ogabe is getting a pass on not shutting it down.

Gay Marriage is a great issue for us since it fires up Donkey and Glee GOPers...


Let's make Gitmo a front pager and get their Code Pinkos fired up!

The fight is the budget and regulatory stranglers...

Know what you have NEVER seen on this page meaning the Gabe Morning blast?

"Hey the war on coal is fucking retarded, perhaps we need Keystone XL and Ogabe following the fucking law and to focus on defanging EPA a bit"

You know why?

The economy ain't the top priority of this byline... it is social issues that align with the enemy.

210 Front Page article on yahoo "How to make John Boehner cave on immigration" srs....

211 210 Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 18, 2013 08:41 AM (OWjjx)

Think back...you and I were in total agreement.

and remember I said "Chris Christie and Mike Hucabee are now on the Luap Nor Fuck You GOP" seat...

anyway I have no heat with you, I just get tired of Akin and Tea Party being in the same paragraph let alone same sentence.

Sorry.

212 In happier news, we will now have a DHS Secretary who thinks it's a peach to drone strike American citizens. Change baby, do you fucking feel it?!?

213 215 Reality Man at October 18, 2013 08:44 AM (Cs9Ps)

Yup...

and "we" will....

the GOP is headed into 2014 going to have passed Amigo Grande! Stabbed the Tea Party in the back, raised taxes, and now go out there and FIRE UP YOUR VOTERS!

214 Posted by: sven10077 at October 18, 2013 08:43 AM (9jfyN) ______ Libs never cared about Gitmo on its own. They cared about Gitmo because it was Bush's Gitmo. Once Bush was gone, they didn't care. Same with Iraq/Afghanistan. They were never anti-war, they were anti-Bush War. So except for about 5 Code Pink idiots, nobody gives a fuck about Gitmo, on the left or the right. I do agree about Keystone. It should be talked about endlessly by the GOP since it has broad support even among Democrats.

215 As Insty says, these people are telling us, in no uncertain terms, what they will do to us if they ever have the power. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 18, 2013 07:38 AM (zF6Iw) Precisely the reason they MUST take our weapons from us. Molon Labe.

216 Ah yes, gay marriage. Let's make it nationwide and screw the 10th amendment. Let me remind Mr. Powerstroke 4X4 King Cab Harley Davidson Edition of one thing: Marriage is a rite, not a right.

217 217 RWC at October 18, 2013 08:45 AM (fWAjv)

and we face an opponent so partisan they do not care...

remember under Bush when drones existence at all was a human right violation?

We face insane liars as foes...we don't need them in our ranks.

218 Medved was fellating McCain as long as I could stand listening to his garbage. It's interesting that his callers on his "disagreement day" used to be libs and are now conservatives. I'm not even sure the dumbass has noticed.

219 Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 18, 2013 08:42 AM (1RQeV)

The Left has taken control of the language and the narrative. We need to take it back.

"Fiscal conservative" or "Tea Party"should be a synonym for "Patriotic," not "Psychotic Axe Murdering Jesus Freak."

220 222 Countrysquire at October 18, 2013 08:46 AM (LSJmV)

I find the strobe neon lights under the suspension to be a tad overkill but the fuzzy dice are a winner.

221 Jennifer Rubin - "Mainstream Conservative" read Walsh @ 126 link http://tinyurl.com/k7jdkba yes, that's PJ Media, folks "Unexamined Premises" quote: That’s true — if by a “more mainstream” Republican party Schumer means “more like the Democrats.” There is no good way to spin this, except for the Right either to win this GOP civil war, form a new party (which would be out of power forever, especially with the media poised to strangle it in its cradle), or welcome their new transformationalist overlords. Any way you look at it, it’s going to be ugly. But until conservatives understand what this breed of Democrats knows in its bones — that in the zero-sum game of modern American politics, the only way to win is by winning — ugly is what we’re going to get. But at least we all have a moment of clarity. The GOP is not, in any meaningful sense, a conservative, first-principles, Constitutionalist party — and unless it’s subsumed by the Tea Party, it never will be. Rather, it’s content to be the lesser half of the Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Party as long as it can collect some of the pork scraps from underneath the table of the Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Government. No wonder they keep losing — they like it. Most Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest By Michael Walsh, Oct. 17 '13

222 I just went to LevinÂ’s website. He has link to Weasel Zippers, with McLame saying how low the American people rate the Republican party. I would like to know if this is the same NBC poll? Or is it something the old fool made up? McCain doesnÂ’t realized we donÂ’t like R party that heÂ’s in. We want to change republicans to conservatives and not moderates and old men that should STFU.

223 There's a very similar Appalachian song by Mike Cross.

Elma Turl is a beautiful girl and I'd love to have her for my wife...

 

Posted by: Harry Throckmorton at October 18, 2013 08:39 AM (N/Sup)

 

There's a similar joke:  a man is walking out the door to go to work  and bang his hot secretary.  He looks at his frumpy, disheveled wife in a housecoast and sneers, "Goodbye, mother of five."

 

To which she replies, "Goodbye, father of two."

224 I think that the GOP failed to realize that finding a hill to die on was supposed to be a metaphor for fighting. They may have succeeded in the dying part however.

225 What we're witnessing is the messy birth of the new direction of the GOP.

Simultaneously with the sad, messy death of the United States of America.

226 The Left has taken control of the language and the narrative. We need to take it back. "Fiscal conservative" or "Tea Party"should be a synonym for "Patriotic," not "Psychotic Axe Murdering Jesus Freak." Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 18, 2013 08:48 AM (oJ5Fd) Yup.

227 And as I've pointed out, the American Bridge scam, which gave us Akin's quote, out of context, was the same trick, that Corn pulled with Romney,

228 Aim for people who advertise on Facebook. Facebook supports Obama so hit them where it hurts.

--

Not that it makes a hill of beans difference, but I dumped FB entirely, as in closed down the account, not just deactivated it, because I simply couldn't reconcile being part of that namby pamby Obama-loving Zuckerberg's empire of privacy invasion and censorship. 

229 I find the strobe neon lights under the suspension to be a tad overkill but the fuzzy dice are a winner. Posted by: sven10077 ================================ But that truck can take quite the load...

230 So, how many big, bold, Bush NYT front page headlines have been "grim milestones" of military deaths since Obama has been President? Remember those? ...or have they been hiding their anti-war stories on A18, or online?

231 .106 see what the Ron Paul supporters did in Iowa.  take all the unfilled low level party openings and fill them.  They filled the electorate and could have selected Paul instead of the actual nominee or the actual actual nominee.  You have organize and put some butts ine the seats and not just gripe on the interwebs.

232

>>>In other words, TP candidates are using their rejection as a springboard into office. It may be rather clumsy, but it seems to work.

 

Perhaps in State races where there aren't any alternatives to either Dem or Pub. I do think at the National level [President, IOW] we should direct our energies elsewhere. If the problem is structural, change the structure.

233
Front Page article on yahoo "How to make John Boehner cave on immigration"
Posted by: Reality Man




If it's anything more involved than, "just ask him", they're over-thinking the problem.

234 Has it been mentioned that McConnell bears a very striking resemblance to present day Roger Ebert. prances off to church to save my soul

235 Outside of social issues, what does the Republican party have to offer?  Lower taxes?  Maybe, but when was the last time you heard a Republican cogently explain such concepts as the Laffer curve, and how freebies and government intervention distort the marketplace, etc., in terms the average voter could understand?  (Go back and watch some Perot ads.)  I hear some talk about federalism and "states' rights", and occasionally how much the Supreme Court overreaches, well then why not let states decide whether they want to criminalize the possession and smoking of a plant so ubiquitous, it's a weed?  How about a campaign to explain why, in the day of the internet and all that, an overarching federal government is a bad thing? 

236 234 jeffrey pelt at October 18, 2013 08:51 AM (VYGs9)

Yup...it is not the SoCon who is my enemy it is the media.

It is not the Glee GOPer who is my enemy, although I am unhappy he uses the media to hurt the GOP it is the media.

The media uses its warm sun like glow to grow the parts of the GOP it needs at any given time to move the democrat agenda and the GOP crew basks in said glow anytime it is offered not ever quite grasping that the end game for the media and democrats is still to pluck it from the flowerbed just as they want to kill the GOP "weeds."

Fuck it....we're gonna be ran by a cargo cult that thinks windmills on RVs is the future.

I quit.

237 "And have I mentioned yet today that a good rule in politics is DO NOT HIRE YOU SON TO RUN YOUR MEDIA IF HE HAS NO FRIGGIN IDEA WHAT HE IS DOING? Cause I really, really want this to be the message of the day."

One thing that an insurgent right wing movement needs to do is to start building learning processes. Each election cycle there are lessons. It's desperately necessary to learn and then _teach_ those lessons for the next cycle. What worked, what didn't work. Do this, don't do that.

I'm okay with family members working on campaigns if they're not clueless retards. Send them to campaign management boot camp first so that they don't make rookie mistakes. (Like having the candidate actively volunteer to talk to the press when sitting on a double digit lead. No no no no no.)

238

Cruz is the only "R" showing 'nads once again.  "Cruz Blocks Confirmation of New FCC Chairman."

 

http://yhoo.it/1c1NSr2

239 242 SFGoth at October 18, 2013 08:54 AM (p9O0b)

Goth that is why I am handing out copies of "Wealth of Nations"....

but I fear it is simply gonna take a collapse.

240 @56 - The battle is unwinnable because the Democrats know the GOP will fold. Until they hold the line on something, anything, all battles will be unwinnable.

241 So, how many big, bold, Bush NYT front page headlines have been "grim milestones" of military deaths since Obama has been President?

--

They've been relegated to the trash, along with all those Pain at the Pump stories.  The media are scum sucking cretins.

242

"News flash: America is not overwhelmingly in love with the Tea party."

That's because both the GOP and the Dems fear them and the MSM obliges.

243 "LET'S CONTINUE TO GO ALONG TO GET ALONG!" #notworking!

244 "Not that it makes a hill of beans difference, but I dumped FB entirely, as in closed down the account, not just deactivated it, because I simply couldn't reconcile being part of that namby pamby Obama-loving Zuckerberg's empire of privacy invasion and censorship."

Whenever I suggest that people on the right should boycott Farcebook, I invariably get responses saying, "Oh sure, that's _just_ what conservatives need, to have no presence in social media."

I then sit back and wait quietly. It's never long before someone else posts to the effect that they finally let their control slip, and posted an honest conservative rant on FB, and were instantly unfriended by most of their liberal friends and acquaintances, and even family.

Having a social media presence is useful if those in opposition to you are willing to hear what you have to say. The left, in the main, are not thus willing. So alter the calculus accordingly.

245

"Will someone please rid me of this irritant known as Juan McCain.......and his fat ass daughter too......."

 

Mallamutt, they are protected species.

246

You may be correct, Gabe, about the results of this fight.  However, there are certain things I think need to be mentioned.

 

(1) A sizable faction of the party wanted a fight, and this faction is a very passionate faction.  Stating that a fight at such-and-such a time is not wise is not the correct response; the correct response is to get some sort of fight in.*

 

(2)  The Democrats and Obama stated firmly that nothing was more valuable to them than ObamaCare and they would not end nor would they delay it.  Again, they are tightly tied to ObamaCare and Republicans are not.  That the fight began as ObamaCare rolled out and exploded is only helpful.  That the clock is ticking on getting people signed up and the problems with ObamaCare run deeper than any really expected.

 

(3)  There was no guarantee that Obama or Reid would have agreed to a sequestration level one year CR.  Nothing they have ever done indicates that they would keep their word.

 

(4)  There are three months to get things sorted out.  The leadership must recognize that there is a faction that wants to fight and they have to figure out how to address that and calling them names is not going to be useful, the leadership is going to have to get them something that they want; the fighting faction also has to acknowledge that there are limits to fighting when you only hold one House of Congress and have the MSM arrayed against you - you start from a limited position and you have difficulty getting your message out no matter how good your message or messangers are.  This is basic coalition politics and you have to work with what you have, not what you want.

 

*"This is not the hill to die on."  Who said anything about dying or about hills?  We want you to pick a fight somewhere and get something  What is wrong with a leadership that can't be bothered to do a little plotting and see what they can pick off.  You do know that politics is filled with theater, so Act like you're trying, at least.

 

Sheesh, I'm just an amateur observer and I'm the one trying to think more than one move ahead.

247 Cruz is the only "R" showing 'nads once again. "Cruz Blocks Confirmation of New FCC Chairman."

*******************

"HE IS EVIL, AND MUST BE DESTROYED!  LIKE MOTHRA!!!"

-- Mitch McConnell

248 Front Page article on yahoo "How to make John Boehner cave on immigration"

srs....

Posted by: Reality Man at October 18, 2013 08:44 AM (Cs9Ps)

Boehner, and most of the rest of the republicans, wouldn't be "caving" on immigration, as they all favor amnesty.  They are just looking for a way to do it and trick the base into believing that a) had no choice and/or b) didn't actually pass amnesty.

Amnesty is another one of those issues demonstrating that the GOP establishment does not want what the base wants.  For whatever dimwitted reason (amnesty will not help the GOP one iota with Latinos, in fact it will likely hurt as illegals gain citizenship and begin to vote) the GOP believes that amnesty will help it win elections.  Like the DNC, the GOP does not care about what is good for the country, they care about winning elections and gaining power.

Which is why we need to stop supporting the GOP altogether.  Let the dems have it all, they will destroy it and a weakened GOP will be easier to take over and remake as conservative.  It's not like we are going to accomplish anything conservative in the next 10 years with the GOP anyway, so we may as well let Dems take full ownership of the catastrophe that is coming.

The GOP is not going to repeal Obamacare (at best, if the GOP wins the WH, house and Senate in 2016, they will "reform" Obamacare), the GOP is not going to actually cut spending, the GOP is not going to actually reform entitlements, the GOP is not going to reduce the size of gov't, the GOP is not going to enforce the border any more than it ever has.  If the GOP wins all in 2016, the best we can hope for is slightly slowing the growth and cost of gov't.

So what is the point of supporting the GOP?  They want kick conservatives out of the party, let's beat them to the punch and leave the party. 

Then, in 10 or 20 years, when the GOP is reduced to almost nothing, we come back and take it over.  We have been working on changing the GOP from within for about 40 years or longer now, and we have achieved almost nothing.  It is time to try a different tack.  Allow the GOP to become weakened and malnourished by conservatives not donating money to the GOP, or votes, or time. Starve the beast. 

249 "News flash: America is not overwhelmingly in love with the Tea party. I don't care who loves the tea. Party, as long as the GOP fears them.

250 Front Page article on yahoo "How to make John Boehner cave on immigration" =That would mean make Boehner stand against amnesty. Touchy Feely Boehner's already happily in the Democrat Grab Bag. http://tinyurl.com/nyq6es2 He's content to be the lesser half of the Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Party as long as he can collect some of the pork scraps from underneath the table of the Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Government. No wonder he keeps losing — he likes it. //N.B., Boehner's voting record is worse than the junior Sen. "Present" record.

251 246 242 SFGoth at October 18, 2013 08:54 AM (p9O0b)

Goth that is why I am handing out copies of "Wealth of Nations"....
but I fear it is simply gonna take a collapse.
Posted by: sven10077

It's on my living room table to be read as soon as I finish "The Combat Diary of the 23rd Panzer Division" which is itself a big read.  I didn't realize "Wealth of Nations" was so thick.  I'm also going to read Keynes and Hayek in chrono order.  You know what boggles libs?  Keynes did not advocate deficit spending.

252

"Don't abandon the GOP.


Heh. I don't plan on abandoning it. I plan on taking it over.'

 

BackwardsBoy, that's what they fear the most.

253 256 Jean at October 18, 2013 09:01 AM (CMlD4)

They don't fear them, the McCain "fuck you wingnutz" caucus has learned the media will help them machine gun GOP voters.

Not a problem, I don't like being shot and since they are shooting GOP voters I am not voting GOP>

I may vote for a Republican, but I am no longer a Republican voter.

254

>>>Then, in 10 or 20 years, when the GOP is reduced to almost nothing, we come back and take it over.

 

Why do you want it? Branding? What is so attractive about the label?

255 258 SFGoth at October 18, 2013 09:02 AM (p9O0b)

I've gone on at length, I did a post here as "Harlekwin Sandwich" where I discussed the different schools of economic thought on swimming pools...

remember the Keynes section if you read it?

Keynes?  Keynes would have you subsidize the factory, have a desalinization plant, 685 miles of feeding pipe even though you are on the coast, an ad campaign etc etc and the pool would be doing great but the workers would have no time to swim because they are working 32 of their 50 hour work week on just trying to eat.

I am a Hayek guy for brains and a Smith guy at heart.

256 "Most Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Party

257

BackwardsBoy, that's what they fear the most.

 

Good.  They should be afraid, very afraid.

 

They can't even formulate a simple message, and somehow manage to miss all kinds  of low-hanging fruit. They never, ever talk about how bad things are for the majority of the country and they certainly won't talk about how to fix things. Hell, they won't even talk about how TFG is ignoring the law and violating our Constitution.

 

I'd like someone to say, just once, that even though TFG may have won, he doesn't get to do anything he wants to, that he's bound by the Constitution and there is a real limit to his power. But   nooooo, nobody has the cojones to even  say that.

258 Have a great weekend, assholes.
Fixed.

259 I'd wager there is a fair sized group of people who say they aren't "in love" with the Tea Party, based upon the lies and spew coming from the MFM and spittle-laced politicians.  However, those same people who are quick to say they aren't part of the Tea Party, are most likely conservative on fiscal matters if given a choice.  It just hasn't translated to them that that's what the TP is all about.  All they've heard is the inflammatory rhetoric bandied about.  Face it, a lot of people just aren't really aware of what's going on. 

260 254 Cruz is the only "R" showing 'nads once again. "Cruz Blocks Confirmation of New FCC Chairman." Surrender not

261 As to whether the "Tea Party" is loved? There is a line from a Bronx Tale: Is it better to be loved or feared. The Answer: It would be nice to be both, but given a choice, it is better to be feared!

262 See bottom of ont. : teej Never look back... at least, not without a link. Good morning, all. God bless this world this day. Thanks.

263

>>>BackwardsBoy, that's what they fear the most.

 

Not really. These are people with money and position in their communities, even outside of politics. Their hearts are more aligned with Dems but they play in GOP circles. Take over the GOP they'll just contribute to  and run in Dem circles, and continue hating you, maybe worse than ever. Only good thing that might come out of that is the Dems might evolve into something less radical, yet I think they'd never affect the higher echelons of the Dems.

264 I like Cruz! He's the Fuck This 'n' That cat.

265 262 258 SFGoth at October 18, 2013 09:02 AM (p9O0b)

I've gone on at length, I did a post here as "Harlekwin Sandwich" where I discussed the different schools of economic thought on swimming pools...

remember the Keynes section if you read it?

Keynes? Keynes would have you subsidize the factory, have a desalinization plant, 685 miles of feeding pipe even though you are on the coast, an ad campaign etc etc and the pool would be doing great but the workers would have no time to swim because they are working 32 of their 50 hour work week on just trying to eat.

I am a Hayek guy for brains and a Smith guy at heart.
Posted by: sven10077

I have no illusions about Keynes -- it's just that it's such an argument killer to be able to say, "Have you read Keynes?  I have.  Here's what he said and here's why he's wrong."  You know, if you wanted to know what Hitler wanted, you read Mein Kampf, vile as it was.

266 The lesson the GOP learned is to destroy Tea Party sympathetic candidates and - especially elected officials- as quickly as possible. All this Reasonable talk about us needing to come together to win majorities will go out the window when guys like Cruz snd Lee come up for reelection. The same folks who told us to swallow shit sandwiches like Hatch will actively undermine TP types. Sometimes a thirst for power is sold as pragmatism. I'll never trust the GOP again.

267 Awww, the Spanky kid is on TCM singing.  How cute. 

268 With plenty of handcuffs and jail cells, actually.

..............

I hope someone displays some guts, patriotism and respect for the law today. Enough of the alternating whining about and praising the worthless fuckweasels who play the game of government.

Imprison them all, and let G*d sort them out.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 18, 2013 07:29 AM (kaGpp)

This is the ONLY thing that will change anything. I said back after Bush jr did not pursue legal action against the Clintons that the left would only get worse. We are already living like a banana republic, all we need now are some Republicans or right wing voices to be put in jail for some reason and the transformation will be complete.

269 268 As to whether the "Tea Party" is loved?

There is a line from a Bronx Tale: Is it better to be loved or feared.
The Answer: It would be nice to be both, but given a choice, it is better to be feared! Posted by: Nevergiveup

LOL, that line is by Nicolo Macchiavelli, about 500 years ago.

270 "Also, I never got why Mourdock's comment was so terrible. God loves all children, even the ones resulting from rape. We're supposed to hate him for holding that position? What's the alternative? Children of rape deserve to be beaten and hated?" Gregory of Yardale, according to Obama they die in cupboard alone so that he can be the Lefties' messiah. See, everybody has their place in this feudal universe.

271 choom boy won by NOT COMPROMISING

272 270  Bigby's Hands Over Fists at October 18, 2013 09:10 AM (3ZtZW)

Yup...that is where Breitbart is right and why if we need to rush barricades it is in ripping fucking liberalism out of the schools and entertainment world.

I know many nice democrats.  In the end they will not moderate the democrat they will vote for Nanzi as Speaker and Barry as hatchet man.  Too many Americans are approaching politics with no more thought than sports fans in a wings bar.

The gag about "we don't root for teams...we root for uniforms"

Never more real than in modern politics.

273 ...give you three quick little Tinseltown anecdotes today... Wait. I need more coffee first! (joke works better when its not an hour since mppp's post.

274 277 Decaf at October 18, 2013 09:12 AM (BAPj3)

Correct...

he is a monster for that view and the Democrats get a pass for booing God...

"America" hates the tea party?

If "America" loves that kind of democrat this Tea Partier hates America.

275 Here's some truth for all the Beltway GOP and their enablers: I would never let a man hit me, lie to me, heat on me, take my money and spend it for selfish reasons, or mistreat me or mine in any way so he could hang out at a super special soiree or play golf with a worthless crook. So if you think the folks running the GOP at the national level can abuse me and expect me to be a compliant little beyotch, well, then they are too damn dumb to pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel.

276 *looks at side-bar story on model building*

Much prefer to build K1's J7W Shinden in 1/32d scale
http://store.spruebrothers.com/product_p/zkmswssp01.htm

And morning all.

277 272 SFGoth at October 18, 2013 09:11 AM (p9O0b)

No it's always a pleasure to talk Keynes v Hayek and yeah if you want to know your enemy go to his source materials...

I've read Mein Kampf, or in the "Oprah Reading List Edition" "Dreams of my Absentee Daddy'

278 LOL, that line is by Nicolo Macchiavelli, about 500 years ago. Posted by: SFGoth at October 18, 2013 09:12 AM (p9O0b) yeah but I was only a youngster then and my mom wouldn't let me see that movie

279 I can deal with disagreeing with Gabe, but his trolling here and thin-skin on Twitter through the whole shutdown really was disappointing.

280

(joke works better when its not an hour since mppp's post.)

 

No problem.  Got your coffee yet?

281

Is there any hope of anyone primarying these Establishment types? I know that's a pipe dream, but it's one I'd be willing to invest some money and time into.

282 Rubin: "Will House moderates stop deferring to hard-liners so as to give the speaker a workable majority with which to make conservative gains?"

Heh. Ignore the conservatives so the moderates can become conservative/attain conservatism.

And that's yet another incoherent idiocy that makes Rubin who she is. Quite stunning, actually. Glad I never followed her but for excerpts others sneak in on blogs.

283 287 Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 18, 2013 09:18 AM (zF6Iw)

I drank my lemonade....

I'm gonna go get a BowFlex I think.

284 Remember when GITMO gave liberals the vapors?
And it became their mission on earth to close it down, right.

USS San Antonio baby.
Once it was revealed that the US Government (AKA Choom Boy's Administration) was intentionally keeping terror suspect floating on the high seas, and liberals raised not one iota of concern, the path became clear.

Prison ships!!!
Neat, sweet petite.

Maybe put Tom Hanks in charge as the Captain or something.

WINNING!!!!

285 Why would you read Hayak, Kenes, or Smith when we have Krugman

286 Is there any hope of anyone primarying these Establishment types? I know that's a pipe dream, but it's one I'd be willing to invest some money and time into.

 

Posted by: Gunny Hartmann at October 18, 2013 09:19 AM (61BD9)

 

I believe Graham is up to be primaried.

 

Love your nic, BTW.  That's a man whose hand I'dbe proud to shake.

287 And the preferred way to confront the democrats is? Wearing a condom.

288 288 Gunny Hartmann at October 18, 2013 09:19 AM (61BD9)

Yes there is.

Here in SC Graham is in trouble.

Prior to this latest round of "fuck you wingnutz" I was content simply to fire a shot across the bow.

ie primary them and if we lost then to back them to the hilt.

The thing is I was in Indiana last year and that is decidedly a one way street.

Dick Dick Lugar showed party loyalty from the Moderates is "we are a party when I win and you can go fuck yourself if I lose."

Not a problem.

Primary Graham and if Graham wins back the democrat.

289 I can deal with disagreeing with Gabe, but his trolling here and thin-skin on Twitter through the whole shutdown really was disappointing. Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at October 18, 2013 09:17 AM (kI8sg) Yeah, It to the point where I believe his whole "shove it up your ass stupid tea partiers, I'm here and I'm queer" schtick is designed to upset and achieve multiple blog hits. It works, I'll give him that.

290 >>> Join Empire of Jeff and I over in the "not GOP" wing. Been here for years. And the correct answer is "Friedman"

291 289 Rubin: "Will House moderates stop deferring to hard-liners so as to give the speaker a workable majority with which to make conservative gains?" Heh. Ignore the conservatives so the moderates can become conservative/attain conservatism. And that's yet another incoherent idiocy that makes Rubin who she is. Quite stunning, actually. Glad I never followed her but for excerpts others sneak in on blogs. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 18, 2013 09:19 AM (eHIJJ) Is she advocating a working majority with Democrats?

292 292 Jean at October 18, 2013 09:20 AM (CMlD4)

Heh....

because I prefer the written word not hieroglyphics scrawled in crap on bathroom walls...

293 298 Jean at October 18, 2013 09:23 AM (CMlD4)

Yes, yes she is...you know like Pelosi did to reach the "middle."

Jen "Bili" Rubin....

full of shit

294 "Also, I never got why Mourdock's comment was so terrible. God loves all children, even the ones resulting from rape. We're supposed to hate him for holding that position? What's the alternative? Children of rape deserve to be beaten and hated?"

I think the preferred alternative is they should be dismembered.

Was reading some comments yesterday on that story about the 15-year-old orphan who got himself a used suit and went to a church to ask that the congregation help him find a family to adopt him, and there were not an insignificant number blasting "Christians" for encouraging junkies and otherways shitty parents to give birth instead of doing the humane and decent thing and killing the babies.  This seems like a really nice kid--and he's to be taking more agency in his life than most TFG-voting adults, for fuck's sake--and they're flat out telling him he would be better off dead.

I don't think a few hit TV shows are going to turn around a society this sick.

295

The other path is a Tea party take over at the local level, this takes time and the Old. Bulls are going to hate it.

 

As an infiltrator of my local GOP, my comrades and I put the current membership at 1/3 - 1/2 teahadists.  With the latest cave from Washington, I think we'll be over 85% TEA types.  Thanks, D.C.!

296 297 fluffy at October 18, 2013 09:22 AM (z9HTb)

Uncle Milty is a friend of mine...

God rest his soul.

Here's a treat.

http://youtu.be/xNc-xhH8kkk

"Milton Friedman Speaks" - Myths That Conceal Reality

Gabe's GOP is not Friedman's friend

297 Read this story an hour ago and can't stop thinking about it....so sad but I hope it has a happy ending. Florida church flooded with calls after 15-year-old orphan asks for family to adopt him.... http://tinyurl.com/pnyzjnn Amid churchgoers, an orphan pleads for a family http://tinyurl.com/p8kzacr

298 >>>Then, in 10 or 20 years, when the GOP is reduced to almost nothing, we come back and take it over. AS IF at that point you'd get what you want from it any easier/better than you can at this point. The GOP has already reduced to nothing more than the lower caste members of the Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Party. "Make Washington Listen" couldn't even get Republican Leadership to hear, let alone "care" to represent the voice and will of the majority of America REGARDLESS of party affiliation. F86k compassionate conservatives and neoconservatives because they only care about conserving their corrupt means and ways to power and tax dollars to spend on themselves, to rule the world. They willingly and knowingly are killing the American Middle Class. The Republican National Party and many of the States' Republican Party have killed us all to make way for the new serfs who readily enable the authoritarian feudal socialism without demanding such wackobird* ideals from governing overlords to respect Liberty, Justice for All equal under the Law, the SUPREME Law of the Land being the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. *John McCain, I'm not the only American who wishes you'd died in Vietnam, or stayed there to play your dirty communist political games where they're welcome. You proved yourself a racist as well as an elitist prick, not staying in Vietnam where you chose to fit in. N.B., no mention of traitor, coming home to the US to pervert Constitutional Governance to the best of your capacity.

299

I'm here and I'm queer" schtick is designed to upset and achieve multiple blog hits. It works, I'll give him that.

 

 

Yes, but it does get tiresome when it come from all sides.  I think that may be  their point, wear us down.

300 I need milked. Stat.

301 He's the Lindsay Graham of our little community here.

Now we're getting Nasty here....

302 Amid churchgoers, an orphan pleads for a family

Yeah, that's the story.

303 Posted by: HeatherRadish™ has been at work for 13.5 hours at October 18, 2013 09:24 AM (/kI1Q) The devil is a convincing SOB. And we've wholeheartedly adopted utilitarianism at his suggestion. It gets weirder though, the same people who would suggest we should dismember said child are the ones who tell me I'm wrong to go take my rifle down to the farm and hunt a deer. Go figure. There's a certain fatalism to the eugenics via abortion argument, that we cannot even approach the underlying problems (i.e. the druggies and rampant sex). I never understood that. And if you call them out on it they seem to go "well that's the way world works" or something.

304 Yes, but it does get tiresome when it come from all sides. I think that may be their point, wear us down. Posted by: Infidel at October 18, 2013 09:26 AM (gqEUi) And that's why I won't abandon his thread. Common sense says boycott it and hope Ace makes him go away. But I aint got no common sense. Besides, it's educational to see how the statists think.

305 the same people who would suggest we should dismember said child are the ones who tell me I'm wrong to go take my rifle down to the farm and hunt a deer.

No limit on scrambling human fetuses, but a bald eagle omelet gets you serious federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison time.

306 Yeah, that's the story. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 18, 2013 09:27 AM (/kI1Q) May be that I haven't had enough coffee yet but ?

307 Isn't it about time for Ben to dump?

308 292 Why would you read Hayak, Kenes, or Smith when we have Krugman Posted by: Jean

The only Krugman I listen to is Murry.

309 Isn't it about time for Ben to dump? Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 18, 2013 09:30 AM (zF6Iw) The clock means little, in this little world.

310 May be that I haven't had enough coffee yet but ?

Comment 301.  I was too lazy to look for a link.

311 Okay this is taking Halloween yard decorations a bit too far.  So which of you Morons did this?  Bravo Zulu.
http://happyplace.someecards.com/26896/scary-halloween-decorations-lead-to-911-call

312 Grab Willow
Dump's up!

313 315 SFGoth at October 18, 2013 09:30 AM (p9O0b)

I listen to Krugman....

usually right around the time I have had too many Fajitas and have to rush to the latrine...

I'll never understand how a guy in a Mexican Cantina keeps bitching about his heartburn from Chinese food.

314 And Iran inches closer to a nuclear weapon

315 MPPPP, its Gaylord Focker who dumps on all of America.  Ben merely posts news links.

316

It gets weirder though, the same people who would suggest we should dismember said child are the ones who tell me I'm wrong to go take my rifle down to the farm and hunt a deer.
Go figure.

 

And the same people send money to Planned Murderhood with one hand while writing angry letters calling for an animal abuser to be shot with the other.

317 Comment 301. I was too lazy to look for a link. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 18, 2013 09:31 AM (/kI1Q) Oh, sorry! I hadn't read your comment yet.

318 Dump up

319 Why would you read Hayek, Keynes, or Smith when we have Krugman.
Thread winner and just as I'm about to go to work. Thank you, Jean.

320 Posted by: Infidel at October 18, 2013 09:26 AM (gqEUi) Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 18, 2013 09:29 AM (XIxXP) http://tinyurl.com/m9tlhmc Constitutional Integrity We need to cover each others' back.

321 Sorry, I blew that. I did not mean the Tea party is messing up by picking bad candidates. I meant GOP in general. I could have lumped O'Donnell and Angle in there as well. I am more convinced than ever that likability trumps issues in elections. Look at our Preznit!! Tea party needs to keep finding articulate, story-telling folks who are likable so that we win primaries and generals and take over the GOP.

322 328 bruceinsocal at October 18, 2013 09:35 AM (bn38K)

Bruce not a flame and I am not screaming.

It LOOKS like TFG won because of likeability but he won b/c the media protected him and pretends he is likeable.

We ran a borderline saint....

we lost to a Marxist fuckhead.

323 Obama's trump card over everything was likability. The Tea party must be able to do the same. The Dems lies to the middle and panders to their base. The GOP lies to its base and panders to the middle. We must elect likable candidates who lie to the middle while pandering to us.

324 test

325 There's a certain fatalism to the eugenics via abortion argument, that we cannot even approach the underlying problems (i.e. the druggies and rampant sex). I never understood that. And if you call them out on it they seem to go "well that's the way world works" or something.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at October 18, 2013 09:28 AM (GaqMa)

========

To which I've always responded: "no, Jack- that's not the way THE world works, it's the way YOUR world works and YOUR world is insane."

326 Mainstream America, especially minorities, did not like Romney. Obama successfully demonized him as rich, out of touch and unable to relate to their everyday problems. I know it is all complete BS, but it worked. The MFer won.

327 Cruz: Establishment GOP Acted Like 'Air Force Bombing Our Own Troops'

http://tinyurl.com/kmlgmal

Tru dat.

328 Gabe, you realize this post comes off sounding as if you're Ezra "where's my fucking juicebox" Klein writing advice for the GOP?

329 333 bruceinsocal at October 18, 2013 09:44 AM (bn38K)

The media destroyed Romney.....

and how precisely is Ogabe likeable if he is destroying Romney with calumny?

No the media is the opfor and too many on our side love the media b/c it shines on them when they attack to their right.

I used to be serene in knowing the media fellators on our side would come around...

I am slowly considering them the enemy too.

330 Here's an interesting analogy about Obamacare with the way to get rid of it: http://spectator.org/archives/2013/10/17/obamacare-the-new-vietnam-war The idea of "teach-ins" could easily be adapted to online sites and social media. If the 18-35 crowd could see how absolutely screwed they are by this 0care, they would drop support for the Dims tyrannical law overnight. And finally! We get our own chants: Hey, hey Obamay How many kids did your death panel slay? Hey, hey Obamay How many families did you bankrupt today? Can giant paper mache puppet heads be far behind?

331 The Dems lies to the middle and panders to their base. The GOP lies to its base and panders to the middle Dems' base. FIFY

332 Why did the GOP leadership give up when they did? What compelled them?

333 339 eman at October 18, 2013 10:11 AM (AO9UG)

Bad press, and a ridiculous overhyped NBC poll they were waiting for...

they like the DC train...they hate that we hate it.

334 What compelled them?

**********************

The fact that they genuinely hate their own conservative voting base MORE than they do (or ever will) the most hardcore, doctrinaire "progressives" on the face of the planet.

335 Obvious shortcomings are obvious.

336 @339

What compelled them was the fact that the President and Donks were perfectly content to burn it all down and not think twice about it.

The GOP has always acted the adult and done what is in the best interest of the country to it's and the countries detriment.


You can't win if you are not prepared or willing to let the whole damn thing burn.

337 Okay, now Gabe, how about a post that actually tells us something? If you "big idea" is just "win elections" well aren't you the genius. Okay, everyone, let's go out and win...... Don't forget, don't vote for the guy who says he's conservative and then votes like a dem!!

338 "Obama's trump card over everything was likability. The Tea party must be able to do the same. " I call BS. There was nothing likable about Obama all through this episode. His Rump card was contol of the press. Ted Cruz was initially successful because his fillibuster allowed him to use CSPAN to go around the press. The press also provided him with free advertising for his address to the nation. It appears that the fillibuster has to be used raise the points you wish to communicate to the nation. The problem with the shutdown was that the White House and the Dems knew all they had to do was ride it out and eventually the RNC and its puppets would realise they were jeapordising their cocktail party invitations and fold. The next Speaker needs to be a Teaparty member. And he or she needs to get the ball rolling on reveresing spending trends before becoming used to Washington.

339 If the sequester, something they didn't think up (the White House did) and almost accidentally fell into, is the best they can do, do we really care if it goes away or not? If the Republicans can't find enough fight in them to stand up and demand more than that because they've already surrendered in their minds, it is time we replace them. Winning elections is great and all if you actually do anything useful afterward, but that seems to be as far as the Republicans have thought, since their only actual interest is sitting at the foot of the table so they can stuff the scraps in their pockets. The Democrats on the other hand are now pretty much openly calling for the imprisonment and execution of anyone who disagrees with them on public forums. Yeah, I think we need more Cruzes and less "tactics" dreamed up by consultants and aides while they collect enormous paychecks. thanks. Telling people they need to "learn" from this is fine, but you took the wrong lesson.

340 The GOP is useless, treacherous, pro-big government, losing, moronic, and not worth supporting or electing in its present form. I will support local GOP candidates if they in support my views. Otherwise the party is dead to me, and it has worked VERY HARD since 2007 to earn my contempt.

341 "339 Why did the GOP leadership give up when they did? What compelled them? Posted by: eman at October 18, 2013 10:11 AM (AO9UG)" In Mitchy's case it was a 2 billion dollar dam project for Kentucky. He cut the deal. Boehner just wanted a way out I think. He's a wuss.

342 thanks for the view from the east coast gabe.

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Just got onto Ace. Geez Gabe, why not come out to where the real world works and plays?

344 And those, Gabe, are the people you think we should negotiate with? These are the people that assholes like McStain calls "my friends?" As Insty says, these people are telling us, in no uncertain terms, what they will do to us if they ever have the power.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

 

Yes, they really are that screaming batshit crazy.

Its all a dress rehersal for the coming unpleasantlessness. There really will not be any 're-education' camps because they will deem any and all conservatives to be unre-educatable.

345 ^ this; sad but o so very true.

346

NPR this morning was talking about how the Republicans had to give up trying to stop ObamaCare, and in the next segment, about how disastrous the Obamacare roll-out has been.

 

Like Napoleon said: "Never interrupt your enemy..."

 

Even as they were speaking, I thought I detected a small spark of dawning realization that the Republicans may not end up looking so evil when Obama HAS TO DELAY Obamacare, or endure a year of horror stories leading up to the 2014 elections.

347 Gabe continues to insist upon himself. I as a Conservative have learned at least one lesson when it comes to homosexuals. FYI.

348 The way to settle this is to lay out exactly what a failure is and what a success is. I say that if the Rs take the Senate and retain the House then it was a success. If the Rs lose the House it was a failure. Otherwise a draw.

349 "339 Why did the GOP leadership give up when they did? What compelled them?" Maybe the prospects of EBT cards being turned off? Or should we all believe in the tooth fairy?

350 For anyone still dealing with their Shutdown Hangover (and endless media carping) try this: http://tinyurl.com/q6nkou3 I get that many of the cobs and regulars don't care for Peggy's style or ideas, but this is pure gold. I know we're both Boomers which annoys a lot of you. But now that we're all past 60 and still broke, we just don't give a crap. And yes, the Zombie Republican party must change, or die. I'm good either way.

351

Lowry and Goldberg???  Really?

 

Could there be any more unproductive media than National Review?

 

Tell me, what is their record of success?  Have they and their Republican Party gods EVER helped to stop this gov leviathan from rolling down the hill, growing ever larger by the minute??

No!

 

They are counter-productive, and they write for their NY/DC media friends, and NOT for us.

352 I'm really getting tired of reading this defeatist crap. The administration was vexed. That's worth something. The public now distrusts National Parks Services. They can be made to go back to the states with this as example. They were so easily manipulated. A tea party type knows what to do with that change, Republicans as such today do not, you do not. Obama is seen for the petulant tool that he is. Tea party types know what to do with that, Teddy bear Republicans do not.

353 If there is any truth to this from Politico - Boehner has to go.

"But President Barack Obama pulled him aside for a grilling. Obama wanted to know why they were in the second day of a government shutdown that the speaker had repeatedly and publicly pledged to avoid.

“John, what happened?” Obama asked, according to people briefed on the Oct. 2 conversation.

“I got overrun, that’s what happened,” Boehner said."

So he told sheepishly told the president that the shutdown was a mistake two days into it.  That's how you win concessions alright.

354 The frequency of the "stabbed in the back" meme predicts rough times for the GOP going forward. I mean you guys know where that term became infamous right? You really want to be at that level of paranoia? The enemy gets a vote, (and in this case a veto too!) - you guys must be imagining that we don't have a Senate and a President, if you think that we could have fought just a little harder and won. You do get why the President refused to negotiate, right? Because he could do that and win. Yeah, yeah, the media. That's a given. You have to work that into your plan. Seriously, can the people freaking out about being stabbed in the back please calm down. You got everyone to do it your way. The result was a draw. We might lose even more. Then you will pout and stay home and not vote cuz no one is pure enough for you. 40 year old virgins.

355 Listen doofuses who keep saying Gabe says we should negotiate with McCain or whoever...Gabe never said that. YOUR PLAN REQUIRED NEGOTIATION, NOT HIS. WTF? You think you can delay or defund Obamacare? You need the Senate and the Prezzy...thus your plan requires negotiation with Reid and Obama. Good luck. If we want to use the debt ceiling again, the best way would not be to talk about Obamacare, but simply refuse to pass a debt limit increase and demand spending cuts. That is one area that Obama and the Senate can do nothing about - no need for negotiations at all.

356

"We"?  No sexypig, do not include me in your royal "we".

 

I want nothing to do with anyone who would join the enemy to defeat Conservatives. 

 

I'll take the "40 year old Virgins" over your commie sluts anyday.

 

 

357 @Pam...Tom Coburn is not a commie slut.

358 Hey everybody...Tom Coburn is a commie slut because he didn't want to use the debt ceiling to defund Obamacare. LOL. I consider myself in the Tea Party, but if we have check our sanity in at the door and commit banzai human wave attacks doomed to failure "cuz otherwise we aren't pure enough" then you will lose people like me. Actually, I was okay with giving this strategy a shot, but it was a long shot, and it failed. No biggie. Stop claiming you were "stabbed in the back." The clock ran out, that's all.

359 Somebody used a football analogy yesterday.

The defund thing may have been a Hail Mary pass, but there's really no chance for it to succeed if the WR's are batting down the ball and offensive lineman are sacking the QB.  

That seems a lot more accurate than your characterization of us as insane.

360 It is a GOOD thing that Gabe writes here. He has a pragmatic view of the politics involved in the issues we fight for. News flash: America is not overwhelmingly in love with the Tea party. This fight needed to happen. The coalition was fracturing. The Tea party needed a lesson in politics. They got their fight, lost but now know how it works. Don't abandon the GOP. Take it over. Remember when the Dem party wasn't led by hard left progressives? Remember when they were 1/2 Blue Dogs? Progressives learned that you have to have patience, work locally and take over the party bit by bit. I believe the Tea party is beginning to grasp this concept. -------- Good god, shut up. We aren't children. We aren't idiots. We understand how politics works, probably more than you do. Stop lecturing and try to listen.

361 I wrote off Lowry and Goldberg, and NR in general, after they disowned John Derbyshire for having the temerity to speak truthfully about race relations in this country. I continue to make an exception for the indispensable Mark Steyn. You can listen to the Upper West Side suckups all you like, Gabe, but as far as I'm concerned, the pair of them can piss off.

362 Still an awful lot of denial in this thread.

I still want the defunders to tell me which 22 Democratic Senators were going to vote to override the budget veto that was promised in order for the defund language to become law.

The numbers matter, if "winning" is a goal.  Blame McCain and the handful of squeamish Republicans all you want, but the plan was never even close to achieving anything other than a GOP party split on the matter. 

Which is what the separatists (not Tea Partiers exactly, of which I consider myself one but those who have a vested interest in a party crack up to further their own ends,) are really after. 
 

363

Tom "the myth" Coburn, really?

 

Show me where Coburn has accomplished ANY of his so-called goals?  When was he ever on the Senate floor for 21 hours?  When has he ever filibustered a bill to eliminate a fraud filled program?

 

Last time he was in the news he was joining the "gang" of Six to add another trillion dollars to your family's debt.

 

Not to mention his slamming of Cruz's efforts right out of the box, and his whining to the press about Rush.

 

He has said from the beginning that he wants nothing to do with the Tea Party, prompting his leftwing media buds to give him lots, and lots, of good press.

 

Epic waste of a Senate seat.

364

The GOP spilt from their base decades ago, their collusion with the Dems/MSM against the Tea Party has been going on since the beginning.

 

It was just so pronounced this time that everyone is finally seeing them for exactly what they are, dead, as a political party they are useless, and counterproductive to Conservatives.

 

This is the opposite of denial, this is finally the truth about the GOP on parade.

365 Cruz & Lee are the only ones that actually tried to do something to rid us of TFGcare. They vowed to do what ever they could and in my eyes, they are the only two senators worth keeping. Posted by: CarolT at October 18, 2013 07:40 AM (z4WKX) -------- Hey, Vitter kicked ass.

366 check our sanity in at the door and commit banzai human wave attacks doomed to failure "cuz otherwise we aren't pure enough" [...] Then you will pout and stay home and not vote cuz no one is pure enough for you. 40 year old virgins.

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Ladies and gentleman:  your modern-day GOP voter outreach program.

367 "One mo' once," as Count Basie used to say... simply because there are still those few mulish, willfully obdurate GOP Gollums remaining who steadfastly refuse to see the unvarnished and inarguable political truth:

No political party has ever, E-V-E-R achieved electoral success by warring, spitefully and continually, against its own voting base.

You [the GOP] need their [the base's] votes to win office.  You need their votes to *hold* office.

Bald fact:  you need *them* more than they need YOU.

You work harder on Hillary's behalf, daily, than Huma Abedin.

368 @109 Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing - Thank you. It's not a sad story to me any more, though. It's 27 years of reinforcement, knowing that life can be tough and then get better. The Republicans need to learn this lesson. Screw the polls that somehow always sound different from everyone I know.

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