1 How about some boring updates?

Good Morning Morons.  Today is Tuesday, October 22, 2013.  On this day in 1836 Sam Houston was inaugurated as the first President of the Republic of Texas.   It's about time we had another.

2 Oh what fresh hell doth today bring?

3 WH may delay individual mandate "tax" due to problems with the web site.

http://tinyurl.com/msxv8bw

4 Oregon is moving ahead with its "tax per mile driven" plan. They cite fewer miles driven and more fuel efficient cars for a drop in revenue.   How about if we quit diverting 20% of the revenue to damned city buses and commuter trains which are a money sink.   They also cite all kinds of issues with how they are going to track mileage.  The whole idea is stupid to begin with. Why not just jack up the taxes on gasoline?

http://tinyurl.com/mlkc7pp

5 Sponge Bob headstone removed from OH cemetery because it was inappropriate after they had OK'd its use.  The should pay for the replacement headstone.

http://tinyurl.com/lnc9cl2

6 Shooter at gun free school zone kills teacher, injures two others, and then kills himself in Sparks, NV.  I suspect the gun grabbers will start up once again despite the fact that nothing they could do short of outright confiscation would have stopped this.  But that is what they really want anyway.

http://tinyurl.com/mdo2fxo

7 Another case of Obamanite regulators running amuck.   An apartment complex designed and built specifically for the hearing impaired has been cited by HUD for being discriminatory for the non-hearing impaired.  This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of (or at least for this year).  The State of Utah who runs the place is defying the order from HUD, as they should.  If they wanted to cut government waste in DC they would eliminate HUD.

http://tinyurl.com/mytn9ks

8 Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel plans to increase the cigarette tax by 75 cents a pack -- a move that would raise total taxes to $7.42-per-pack, giving Chicago the highest rate in the nation.  I say we should find something else to tax beside cigarettes and alcohol.  Its about time the so-called clean living people paid some more taxes if we can't get the damned government to quit raising taxes on everything.

http://tinyurl.com/m7utxzq

9 I live in VA. This fucking place is a god damn blue state anymore. Northern va with all the government workers, college kids, and fucking young yuppies moving in for IT and gov jobs might as well be San Francisco.

10 The EPA is coming back with yet another water grab after the Supremes struck down their last power grab.  Its time to eliminate the EPA.

http://tinyurl.com/lb6e835

11 Go   Vic, go.

12 The former chief of staff of a Democratic Florida congressman will serve 90 days in jail after admitting to a voter fraud scheme during the 2012 election.

Why isn't the congressman being jailed and why only 90 days?  This is why we cannot clean up vote fraud.

http://tinyurl.com/ly9nuyf

13 The NRA is bringing $500k to Ken Cuccinelli's defense.

Not going to change a damn thing.

NoVA swamps the rest of this (mostly red) state in sheer number of votes.

And they loves them some socialism up heah.

14 Consumer Reports has issued an advisory for people to stay away from the Obamacare web site for a few months until they can clean it up.  I have some news for them, it will take longer than a few months and it will cost taxpayers a shit-ton of money.

http://tinyurl.com/mjlysmj

15 Slate likes Canada's death panels.

http://tinyurl.com/pezjmv3

16 The Department of Homeland Security is set to spend $80 million dollars on hiring a raft of armed guards to protect IRS and other government buildings in upstate New York during “public demonstrations” and “civil disturbances,” once again prompting concerns that the federal agency is preparing for food stamp riots, anti-tax demonstrations or some other form of domestic unrest.

I thought protecting government buildings was the job of local police?

Warning, Alex Jones site.

http://tinyurl.com/orybskl

17 Cab driver in the UK accused of violating their "equality law" because she had an English flag sticker on his cab.  That will be coming here soon.

http://tinyurl.com/prro95f

18 Verizon will have all your health care info.  Nothing wrong with that pictureÂ….  Right?

http://tinyurl.com/nzf2g3n

19 Chuckie "TV" Schumer likes Mitch McConnell's new plan to make debt ceiling increases virtually automatic.  That tells you what kind of plan it is.  

http://tinyurl.com/pskry3s

20 Occupy asshole found guilty of arson, burglary, and criminal mischief. I hope they send him up for 50 years.  Unfortunately all I could find for the actual law is that this is considered 1st degree arson because it was occupied buildings and was eligible for enhanced punishment.  The link they gave for the punishment would not work.

http://tinyurl.com/qa8cxnl

21 Charlie Rangle doesn't even know which district in NYC he represents.  Is it because he is senile, stupid, or just been there too long?  Or is it all three?

http://tinyurl.com/nrx7w38

22 From Sarah Palin:

America is suffering from an epic case of Armageddon fatigue.


Budget showdown, government shutdown, debt ceiling debacle—the stakes are real but the establishment seems to feed off the chaos they create as a means to foment fear and outrage and translate it into campaign donations for themselves.

Snip

Washington has morphed into an extortion racket, a place where members of the permanent political class threaten to inflict legislative and regulatory pain to extract campaign donations that they can then siphon into the pockets of themselves and their family members.

http://tinyurl.com/pl26coa

23 Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX), the vice chairman of the House Judiciary CommitteeÂ’s subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security, has changed his mind and now opposes any efforts to grant amnesty to AmericaÂ’s at least 11 million illegal immigrants. Poe said his stance is a specifically a result of President Barack ObamaÂ’s style of dealing with congressional Republicans during the recent government shutdown and debt ceiling battles

I suspect that what actually happened is he got a load of shit from his constituents.


http://tinyurl.com/nfbyahn

24 Rand Paul wants a Constitutional Amendment that will make congress susceptible to the laws they pass.  I predict this will never get out of committee.

http://tinyurl.com/ka5wfd5

25 Big Labor Snot Trumpka sounds off on entitlement reform.

Let me just say this one for the record. No politician — I don’t care the political party — will get away with cutting Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid benefits. Don’t try it. And this warning goes double for Democrats. We will never forget. We will never forgive. And we will never stop working to end your career," Trumka said.

Too bad asshole, Big Labor ain't so big anymore.

http://tinyurl.com/n88nulj

26 Almost all of those so-called Obamacare web site users standing behind the Obama king have not signed onto Obamacare.  The Daily Caller said there were only 3 out of the whole group but I could not get any of their articles to load.  They have gone to a new system that does not like my computer.  Here is the Heritage version.

http://tinyurl.com/lu4u276

27 Housing collapse 2.0.  Big banks to eat $54B in bad FHA loans that are supposed to be backed by the government. In short Obama and company lied to them.

http://tinyurl.com/mnzgeta

28 Kindle Daily Deals

http://tinyurl.com/lzccpby


That's it for today folks.

29

Rand Paul wants a Constitutional Amendment that will make congress susceptible to the laws they pass. I predict this will never get out of committee.

 

He and others in the TP caucus should be   making a Very Big Deal out of this amendment. Even if it doesn't make it out of committee,   they can point out who considers  themselves above the laws they create.

 

Shout it loud enough and long enough, and the Senate will be red   next year,  not pink.

30 Ben Domenech observed on Twitter last night that Terry McAuliffe


He is not wining because of anti-gun.  He is winning because of DC occupying all of Northern VA now.

31 3 Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 06:53 AM (zZbNF) ========================== Remember the good old days of the Republic, when only Congress could legislate? The Vic dialed it up to awesome this morning.

32 "Mr. Senator, why is it that you exempt yourself from the laws you make? You voted for ObamaCare,  and are on the record supporting it,  yet you don't have to get your own insurance from  it as the rest of us do.   Would you care to explain your position to the nation?"

33 7 Another case of Obamanite regulators running amuck. An apartment complex designed and built specifically for the hearing impaired has been cited by HUD for being discriminatory for the non-hearing impaired. This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of (or at least for this year). The State of Utah who runs the place is defying the order from HUD, as they should. If they wanted to cut government waste in DC they would eliminate HUD.

http://tinyurl.com/mytn9ks

Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 06:54 AM (zZbNF)

Arizona

34 Shout it loud enough and long enough, and the Senate will be red next year, not pink.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 22, 2013 07:01 AM (0HooB)

The problem is all the shouting the do will never get heard unless they spend money for TV spots.

35

Morning, ‘rons and ‘ronettes.  Now that Teh Vic! Has posted, I can offer up a little palate cleanser.

 

 

Whenever IÂ’m stuck for a story, I can usually always find something to use from the life and sayings of Sam Goldwyn.

 

 

Goldwyn, like other moguls, was keen-eyed about all aspects of the movie business except when it came to promoting an actress he was personally involved with.*  In the 1930s he, like many other studio chiefs, was trying to find the next Greta Garbo and thought he had her in Anna Sten, a Russian émigré who had some success in German films before Goldwyn saw her in the early ‘30s.**

 

 

For her second film, We Live Again, GoldwynÂ’s advertising chief drew up a mock poster for approval.  It read:

 

 

THE DIRECTORIAL GENIUS OF MAMOULIAN, THE BEAUTY OF STEN AND THE PRODUCING GENIUS OF GOLDWYN HAVE BEEN COMBINED TO MAKE THE WORLDÂ’S GREATEST ENTERTAINMENT.

 

 

Goldwyn looked it over, then nodded.  “ThatÂ’s the kind of ad I like.  Facts.  No exaggeration.”

 

 

And hereÂ’s Sten in a promo postcard for We Live Again:  http://tinyurl.com/okufydt

 

 

Hope you all have a wonderful day.

 

 

*Two examples right off the top of my head are Darryl Zanuck and Bella Darvi and D.W. Griffith and Carol Dempster.

 

 

**Her movies did poorly at the box office, however, and after 1935s stinker The Wedding Night, Goldwyn dissolved his contract with Sten.  She continued acting through the 1940s, but with little success.  She died in 1993 at the age of 84.

 

36 Yes it was AZ.  I don't know where i got Utah from.

37 Verizon will have all your health care info. Nothing wrong with that pictureÂ…. Right? http://tinyurl.com/nzf2g3n Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 06:56 AM (zZbNF) This makes perfect sense. It makes it easier for the NSA to get it. If they had to ask for it directly, someone might notice.

38 You misspelled anti-civil-rights. For some reason you typed g-u-n.

39 21 I'll take "Or is it all three?" for $500.00.

40

The problem is all the shouting the do will never get heard unless they spend money for TV spots.

 

They could also mention this issue every time they're interviewed.  They can Tweet and make   YourFace    videos, too.

 

In addition to TV spots.   The key is to make it visible at every opportunity. Make it An Issue.

41 As. Maet demonstrated last night in the ONT, college kids are often ignorant of most history and civics. They don't know why they're voting for evil but they do anyway. Electing Tea Party folks to the Senate is going to have to be done on a case by case basis, because ignorant voters nationwide are going to do what they're told and vote Donkey.

42 The home for the hearing impaired really demonstrates the night and day difference at HUD since Obama took over. It was designed and built with full approval under the Bush term. It was completed in 2008 and after all the assholes in HUD were switched out for Obama assholes all of a sudden it was "bad".

43

As. Maet demonstrated last night in the ONT, college kids are often ignorant of most history and civics. They don't know why they're voting for evil but they do anyway.

 

But their dogs pay  attention and are well informed.

44

From Sarah Palin:

 

"We're going to shove a baseball bat up your ass..."

 

That's my girl.

45 DAY 350 1,111 to go (1,182 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, McConnell's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

46 The government is going to Verizon for help with their website. Where does a Verizon customer go for help? I'm trying to re-up my FIOS but at no additional cost. I'm not paying another nickel more then in the past. So you try to 'chat' online with these idiots in customer service in downtown New Delhi and they're about as dumb as a rock. I swear I'll go back to Comcast if they keep pissing me off.

47 Part of me wants to believe they are not this smart, but am I the only one who is wondering if the website fustercluck is a planned effort to drum up support  for the thing?

It's resembling a classic marketing strategy: create demand by denying access.  Like when you have an item advertised in  a store, then stock too few of the items.  People have to get there early to get them, or walk in and see empty shelves... it is blatant manipulation, but it  happens ALL the time.

So... when they finally "fix" what ails their website, is Obamacare going to be more popular than ever? 

48 Oh what fresh hell doth today bring?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 22, 2013 06:53 AM

The answer, of course, is NONE. This is Kinder, Gentler Week at the HQ, remember? We all have to Play Nice while Ace is off gallivanting. In fact, I hear he asked Poppin' Fresh to sit in, just to make sure don't make any waves.

I'll have much more to say on the Leaf-Raking Thread....

49 19 Chuckie "TV" Schumer likes Mitch McConnell's new plan to make debt ceiling increases virtually automatic. That tells you what kind of plan it is. http://tinyurl.com/pskry3s Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 06:57 AM (zZbNF) It transfers the power of the purse to the executive branch, thereby destroying the very nature of checks and balances. FUCK MCCONNELL.

50 48 Posted by: MrScribbler at October 22, 2013 07:20 AM (kaGpp) Same hell, just a few steps closer to the first ring.

51 Morning!

Has anyone else noticed on that school shooting story, there is absolutely not one word about the shooter?  I watched two TV reports and then read Vic's Fox News link.. nothing..

I am gonna go out on a limb here and bet the kid was Hispanic..  maybe illegal?

52 44 From Sarah Palin: "We're going to shove a baseball bat up your ass..." That's my girl. Posted by: jwest at October 22, 2013 07:18 AM (u2a4R) Link?????

53 I'll have much more to say on the Leaf-Raking Thread....

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 22, 2013 07:20 AM (kaGpp)

Today's Leaf of the Day is Maple.  Right?

*pleasesayyespleasesayyespleasesayyes*

54 48 -

Leaf-raking thread???

Good, I will have much to say about mulch... or would that be considered off-topic  and get me banned?

55

I'll have much more to say on the Leaf-Raking Thread....

 

It's funny to watch the Head Ewok   try to  herd the cobcats in the sidebar. 

 

No Knitting Thread yet? NTTAWWT.

56 Breaking News on a possible breakthrough for baldies! Hair is on it's way back!

http://bit.ly/1gAXGKt

Ron Popeil hardest hit....

Will this change the look of the NBA?

57 52 -

No link, other than his fevered mind. 

58 Like when you have an item advertised in a store, then stock too few of the items. People have to get there early to get them, or walk in and see empty shelves... it is blatant manipulation, but it happens ALL the time.

Yeah, but people eventually figure it out, stop coming back, and go to CostCo instead.

Of course since we're talking about health care in this case, "CostCo" should be translated as "Cuba"

Fundamentally transformed, indeed.

59 It's time for the Tea Party to hit back.  Grassroot organizations should arrange individual gatherings, highlighting people who have lost their health care, face outrageous premiums and deductibles, or have lost their full time jobs because of this pile.  Pick a day, mimic the Presidential infomercial, with a podium and people lined up behind a main speaker.  Don't forget to have EVERY speaker mention Congress and Union exemptions and subsidies. Heck, even have one faint because of the stress of the whole mess...

Invite the press.  The tea party gatherings a few years ago did get some coverage...If that doesn't work, heck even if it does work, culminate these individual gatherings into another 'march' on DC.

And don't forget the "plant" arrow signs to counter the inevitable SEIU thug.

60 So... when they finally "fix" what ails their website, is Obamacare going to be more popular than ever? Posted by: BurtTC at October 22, 2013 07:20 AM (BeSEI) I keep hearing them talk about the problems stemming from how popular it is. This is their plan. It almost sounds like they thought people would see it for the sh*t sandwich it is and not sign up. Was the thought process, "We think this is going to be an enormously popular program, so don't design the website to handle any traffic."?

61 Good, I will have much to say about mulch... or would that be considered off-topic and get me banned?
Posted by: BurtTC at October 22, 2013 07:26 AM

Would that be mulch ado about nothing?

Damn, I feel so...tolerant... today! ♫ ♪

Oh, if only Choom Boy would follow Ace's lead.

62 Has anyone else noticed on that school shooting story, there is absolutely not one word about the shooter? I watched two TV reports and then read Vic's Fox News link.. nothing.. I am gonna go out on a limb here and bet the kid was Hispanic.. maybe illegal? Possible kibosh on shooter because he's only 13.

63 58 -

Right, but  they only have to do this once...  and I know people who go back to Walmart  every  day after Thanksgiving, EVERY year.  They had 46" tv's on sale... for $49!  Get there early. 

64 Good Morning, Horde. Paul has been back in ICU since Late Friday night & he has four infections. I was thinking of going to visit him in ME and didnÂ’t want to take the time off because I have taken too much time off because I wouldnÂ’t go to work when I thought he was going to die that first month or so. TheyÂ’ve been doing construction in our office since Mid September. They office smells like new carpet, paint, varnish and makes my eyes burn. TheyÂ’ve done it in phases. Thursday is last phase and part of office where I am is being done. Everyone has had to move everything from their offices, etc and either go work in another office, they rented space on another floor one day and a group of them went up there. Another day they stuck them in an office that is serving as conference room. Friday they didnÂ’t know where they were going to put us. Yesterday they decided that some of the new spaces can take most of us, but not me. I have to pack up today and have to work from home the rest of the week. I offered to work from home be causes I really want to go see Paul tomorrow and come back Thursday. I donÂ’t think I can get him transferred to MA when heÂ’s in the ICU. My face gives me away. IÂ’m going to make sure I have my sunglasses on because I am afraid IÂ’m going to be horrified when I see my younger brother is a quadriplegic. I hate wearing glasses but this is the one time I will be glad I do.

65 Possible kibosh on shooter because he's only 13. Posted by: rickb223
...........
yeah.. I suppose.. but he's a dead 13 yr old.. not much reason to protect his identity.

66

Part of me wants to believe they are not this smart, but am I the only one who is wondering if the website fustercluck is a planned effort to drum up support for the thing?

 

Yeah, but that  presumes some demand for the product. Folks will hear about the bugs and delays and  not be too enthusiastic. The buzz about the massive increases in premiums has already started, and will only keep more people away.

 

Maybe, just maybe,  this thing will collapse in on itself.

67

Oh, Carol, I'm so sorry.  Maybe this will give you a little smile - Robert DeNiro wants you to buy a car:

 

http://tinyurl.com/mygv67h

 

68 Maggie's posted John Fords "Tobacco Road", exemplar of the hobo lifestyle, this morning. Even i could say with only a couple minutes watching time, Ellie Mae is a mighty attractive piece of bait. They wouldn't need to rob me, no, I'd bring my turnip bag over for free. http://bit.ly/1de52S5

69 I saw a clip of Hillary Clinton campaigning for Terry McAuliffe this weekend and had to turn television off. I still canÂ’t stand her.

70 The shooter's name hasn't been released by the police due to age.  That is why none of the press reports have it.

71 Prayers for you and Paul, CarolT. I can only imagine what you're going through.

72 Was the thought process, "We think this is going to be an enormously popular program, so don't design the website to handle any traffic."? Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at October 22, 2013 07:28 AM

ObamaScare, like all of Choom Boy's wild America-hating schemes, is a product of his ineptitude. He is like the stoners I knew in college, who would sit around and Solve the World's Problems and make Profound Statements, but never figure out the details. They'd drift into a dope-addled sleep before actually doing anything.

In this case, President Historic First© simply sat with his acolytes and said "wow, man, it'd be cool if everyone had, like, health care with the click of a mouse button!" His minions said "duuuude, that's so cool!" And it was done.

Sort of like Henry Ford staring at a wooden box and wishing it had wheels and an engine.

73 Maybe, just maybe, this thing will collapse in on itself. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 22, 2013 07:32 AM (0HooB) Plain ol' incompetence and lying may do what the shutdown couldn't.

74 Here is what they say in nearby CA for release of names:


"Under no circumstances should the names or identities of any juveniles arrested or listed as suspects in a crime report be released to the media. The California Supreme Court in the case of T.N.G. vs. Superior Court, 4Cal.3d, 767 (1971), ruled that the Juvenile Court has the exclusive authority to determine the extent to which juvenile records and identification may be released to third parties. The T.N.G. case does not prohibit law enforcement agencies from releasing information to news media about the facts and nature of crimes committed by juveniles. It merely prohibits the agency from identifying juveniles under the age of 18 years of age who have been arrested, detained or made a ward of the court, without first obtaining the written consent of the Juvenile Court."

75 dead 13 yr old.. not much reason to protect his identity.

Extrapolating from my own experiences, half of Sparks already knows the kid and his motive and his family and how he got a gun to take to school.  They just haven't tweeted it yet.

76 Thoughts & prayers, Carol.

77 Sort of like Henry Ford staring at a wooden box and wishing it had wheels and an engine. Posted by: MrScribbler at October 22, 2013 07:35 AM (kaGpp) The article yesterday summed it up nicely: Hopes and dreams and good intentions cannot overcome the laws of physics.

78

Bobby DeNiro still sells cars -

http://tinyurl.com/k2zbboe

79 Thank you Backwards Boy. This has been going on since March 30 and the first time heÂ’s been sent to ICU, except when he was first admitted & then for his neck surgery. ItÂ’s been almost six months since heÂ’s been in the ICU, which makes me worry.

80 Morning, almost sunrise here at 83 longitude and one cup of coffee down.

81 Thank you too, Gran. Carol

82

 

The Sarah Palin link is the same one Vic put up:

 

http://tinyurl.com/pl26coa

83 I hate to be the one who breaks it to you, but Virginia is now a blue state, and the reason is simple: it has become an extension of D.C.

84 Slight correction: Haley Barbour (MS Gov #63 #62 )

85 Jets fan who slugged female Patriots fan did time for '92 killing


This guy needs to be taken off the streets.  But what the hey, it's 'Jersey.

http://tinyurl.com/mhb7c7o

86 There's one common element to involved web sites (or computer programs) that I take issue with. When you think about purchasing a book you pick it up off the shelves and note the weight. That tells you something. You browse through the pages and make a determination, based on the size of the type, how long or involved the book is going to be. When you go to these multi-page web sites, they should provide a 'site overview' page; that gives you little screen steals of what each page will look like, the number of them involved, the information that will be requested, etc. Give the people a clue. I have no doubt that people are getting totally lost, have no idea what is required, and are giving up in utter frustration. You're welcome, Federal overlords. My consulting fee for five minutes of typing is $250,000. You can send the money through my Nigerian emissary who will contact you shortly.

87

Palin is actually quoting someone else, saying:

 

“It’s what you expect from the mafia,” said Plank. “They basically come to you and say, ‘We are going to shove this bat up your ass and give you an enema. You better play ball.’ We saw a great deal of it. It’s an insidious blight.”

 

 

88 Posted by: Schr�dinger's cat at October 22, 2013 07:47 AM (U2UQk)


Amazon does most all of that including preview pages of the book.

89 Clowns.
Maroons....
Ø-Merica.

Duh!1.... won. Twice. How stupid are you?

90

The Sarah Palin link is the same one Vic put up:

 

Except she didn't say it, nickelfucker.  I quote:

"Schweizer interviewed former Chairman of Apache Corporation Ray Plank. Plank said campaign cash and lobbying contracts now function as “protection money” to keep lawmakers and regulators from going after you.

 

“It’s what you expect from the mafia,” said Plank. “They basically come to you and say, ‘We are going to shove this bat up your ass and give you an enema. You better play ball.’ We saw a great deal of it. It’s an insidious blight.”

 

My emphasis.

91 "Indiana has received a $1 million federal grant to programs to help individuals and families build their savings."

http://is.gd/V6IWNf

WHAT THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO SAVE WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT KEEPS TAKING IT FOR BULLSHIT LIKE THIS?!

92

Duh!1.... won. Twice. How stupid are you?

 

The second one was stolen,  so there's that.

93

Here's Sarah Palin at the end of her article -

 

The fact that these strong-arm tactics take place in Washington doesnÂ’t surprise me at all. IÂ’ve fought this type of corruption my entire political career. And those who disagreed with me politically used thug-like tactics to try to bankrupt my family with frivolous lawsuits in Alaska, and it hasnÂ’t stopped to this day.

 

 

ItÂ’s time for Washington to stop threatening citizens and scaring up dollars through an endless extortion scheme of manufactured crises. ItÂ’s time for leaders to lead. That means doing right by voters without requiring them to pay protection money in advance.

 

 

You have to wonder whether Constitutional rule of law even exists when separate rules apply for powerful and well-connected men like Jon Corzine. And you have to wonder whether we really have government of the people, by the people, and for the people when the only way We the People can be heard is if we grease the palms of the ruling class.

 

 

Enough is enough. If the permanent political class wonÂ’t drain the swamp, we will. We should follow the advice in the title of SchweizerÂ’s last book and “Throw Them All Out” 2014 is just around the corner.

94 From the HR link above

The Office of Community Services of the federal Administration for Children and Families announced the grant Monday to the Indiana Housing and Community Development Authority.


Guaranteed that all of that is steered towards minorities in the inner city where the people who run the program will siphon off 99% of it.

95 Amazon does most all of that including preview pages of the book. No kidding? I don't usually hang out in the book section. I'm more into electronics and meth cooking supplies. There's a reason they (Amazon) are successful, it's because they are competent, and capitalists. Commies know that proles are required by law to purchase, and only care about extracting as many taxpayer dollars as they are able.

96 Posted by: Schr�dinger's cat at October 22, 2013 07:53 AM (U2UQk)


Remember that Amazon originally started as a book seller and then expanded.

97

Be nice if the national GOP apparatus could bother itself to support Cuccinelli.  For that matter, the VA GOP is being assholes about it too.  I'm getting all kinds of mailers for my delegate, Emperor RINO Plenipotentiary Tom Rust, but not one thing for Cuccinelli.  The GOP even sent me an absentee ballot, but they aren't doing anything to support the candidate. 

 

Guess they are pissed that he didn't wait his "turn" and let Bill Bolling have the seat. 

 

I'm even seeing McAuliffe commercials with "Republicans" endorsing him.  Not like they'll face any consequences for that - hell, they'll probably get rewarded by the VA GOP for doing it.

 

Bunch of nickelfuckers in the VA GOP ready to ruin the state out of spite.  Fuckers.

98 Great hymns of the faith-"All the way My Savior Leads Me" by the prolific hymn writer-Fanny Crosby The story- http://hymns.net/stories/crosby.htm The hymn with lovely photos: http://hymns.net/stories/crosby.htm Scripture says that we are to be priests onto God, blessing Him.. Everytime we praise God we invoke HIs presence. The more we stay in God's presence the better off we are, and we can say, "It is well with my soul." Thanks be to God that even when we don't feel it God is with us, because we have within us Christ, our "hope of Glory". Grace and peace of the Lord be with you today.

99 You're welcome, Federal overlords. My consulting fee for five minutes of typing is $250,000. You can send the money through my Nigerian emissary who will contact you shortly. Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at October 22, 2013 07:47 AM (U2UQk) When I go to an eCommerce site that requires me to register with them before giving me a price, well, I just move on to another site.

100 Chuckie "TV" Schumer likes Mitch McConnell's new plan to make debt ceiling increases virtually automatic. That tells you what kind of plan it is. Thanks Vic. Has McConnell switched to a dem yet? It sounds like something a dem would have agreed to. Why cede power to the SCOAMF? I donÂ’t understand what McConnell was thinking when he agreed to this?

101 WHAT THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO SAVE WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT KEEPS TAKING IT FOR BULLSHIT LIKE THIS?! You seem angry. We have trained men, top men and women, who can help you deal with your anger. Unfortunately they are quite expensive to pay and provide benefits and fully funded pensions too, so your taxes will be going up next year. We hope this helps allay your anger.

102 http://yhoo.it/1gB5MmA The Fed isn't going to stop printing money anytime soon. It's going to get worse.

103

I'm even seeing McAuliffe commercials with "Republicans" endorsing him. Not like they'll face any consequences for that - hell, they'll probably get rewarded by the VA GOP for doing it.

 

Speaking of ads,   they're running one  down here that  goes like this, "Why are conservatives like Jeb Bush, Bill Bennett and Mike Huckabee supporting Common Core?" followed by propaganda.  Sponsored by "Conservatives for Change" or some such bullshit.

 

Hate to break it to  you, Ms. Ad  Reading Lady on the Radio, but none of those guys are conservative.

104 101 Thanks Vic. Has McConnell switched to a dem yet? It sounds like something a dem would have agreed to. Why cede power to the SCOAMF? I don�t understand what McConnell was thinking when he agreed to this?

Posted by: CarolT at October 22, 2013 07:57 AM (z4WKX)

He is being the go-along-to-get-along Republican typical of the Washington insider group. He was on TV the other day complaining that people were calling him a RINO when he really is a conservative.

105 Each dollar deposited into such an account receives a match of $1 to $8 from federal and private sector resources.

They're not even hiding that it's a wealth transfer anymore.  Not that any of this money will be "saved"--it will be deposited and immediately withdrawn.

This reminds me of that Soros deal in NY in 2009, where he gave the state something like $35M and the federal government contributed something like $200M, and every baby mama got an extra $200 cash per child on their  EBT card. 

http://is.gd/6voOcY

"Oh, it was partially privately funded, so it's OK!"  My ass.

106 BB ""Conservatives for Change" is a Democrat front group.

107 The Palin link shows why we hate all the pols in the country.

108 Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 06:58 AM (zZbNF) And she will come from the north, riding a Polar Bear named Liberty, swinging the sword of justice.

109 Tammy Bruce said that Reince Priebus has filed a FOIA request for the total number of 404Care enrollees since the Gaylord Focker administration has been so unforthcoming with that information. Top Men must have retired to the fainting couches at this untoward assault on comity.

110 based on the last FOIA filed to the Obamanite thugs he will be out of office before they even make an effort to answer it.  And then only after a court order.

111 IBD editorial calls McConnellÂ’s deal a tyrantÂ’s dream and it is unconstitutional! http://tinyurl.com/pzbwtpo

112 They're not even hiding that it's a wealth transfer anymore. Not that any of this money will be "saved"--it will be deposited and immediately withdrawn. Being an extremist I observe peoples check out procedure when I grocery shop. Out comes the EBT card to pay for the food, then wander over to the 'courtesy desk' to buy multiple lottery tickets with cash. *That* is their savings program, a one in a million chance at striking it big.

113

BB ""Conservatives for Change" is a Democrat front group.

 

Yup, I figured as much. It's strange to hear that ad on   Rush's  show, but I suppose their money's as green as anyone else's.  Hate the deception, tho'.

 

If "vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord,"    He can start any time now...getting   tired of seeing Evil win all the  damn   time.

114 One would hope OSP, one recalls when she pointed out that aspect of Commonwealth being annexed by DC, the likes of John Ensign, the one who paid off his mistress's family, that one, turned his nose up at him,

115 unch of nickelfuckers in the VA GOP ready to ruin the state out of spite. Fuckers. Posted by: @JohnTant at October 22, 2013 07:55 AM (PFy0L) Glenn Beck is right about one thing, do not give a cent to the RNC. NRCC, etc. Give to Senate Conservative Fund or Freedom Works. The GOP would rather let him lose because he didnÂ’t wait for his turn? They should be doing everything to help him.

116 Levin was skewering McConnell's unconstitutional relinquishing of debt limit responsibilities. As somebody who bucked the Horde's opinion on turtle-boy, I think he's lost his fucking mind. I blame proxity to the same sex senators, J-Linds.

117 112 Posted by: CarolT at October 22, 2013 08:05 AM (z4WKX)


She says it was "rush through Congress last night".  I thought it was still in the Senate.  I don't see the House approving this.

118 Pronoun trouble, it is never the turn of Cuccinelli, he disrupts the applecart, re AGW Obamacare, et al.

119 116 Posted by: CarolT at October 22, 2013 08:08 AM Give it all to Ted Cruz and turn him into a power broker of the right cloth

120 I hate to be the one who breaks it to you, but Virginia is now a blue state, and the reason is simple: it has become an extension of D.C. Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones
..........
Yeah.. a state slightly affected by the shutdown.. although government workers will be made whole, there's a whole lot of civilian contractors who had to eat some of their time.. that's a real nice campaign ad for Cucinelli...

121

This morning on the Weather Channel the morning idiots were yapping about those evil incandesent lightbulbs.

 

 

Mike Bettis said he spent $1600 dollars replacing all of his bulbs with those CFL ones. One of the weather girls said; "Good for you.", or something like that.

 

 

My response would have much less polite.

122 117 Levin was skewering McConnell's unconstitutional relinquishing of debt limit responsibilities. As somebody who bucked the Horde's opinion on turtle-boy, I think he's lost his fucking mind. I blame proxity to the same sex senators, J-Linds. Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at October 22, 2013 08:09 AM (qbaMG) He outright endorsed his opponent (Bevin?). McConnell must go. Traitorous thieving pig.

123 Does everyone here follow Steve Stockman on twitter? He's just about the best political follow I have, and he recently gave a short speech in which he complains about how crazily upside down our national priorities have become. On Benghazi, for example, people worry not about the four dead Anericans and how we prevent similar future events but instead about the "impact on Hillary". Anyway, maybe I should move to Clear Lake, Texas so this guy can be my Congressman. http://bit.ly/1abkL0W

124 Here's my assessment: Fixating on the Soeterocare website's failure is a bad idea. Talk about why the underlying law sucks. Software can be fixed, and it will be fixed. Point out that it shows how much the government sucks, but forget about this somehow being some great silver bullet. I see the GOP walking into a situation where the website is fixed and are unable to pivot to discussing the law. Of course, the GOP is so terminally stupid they surrendered to a guy who blockaded Old Faithful, so they're fucked anyway. Carry on.

125 112 IBD editorial calls McConnellÂ’s deal a tyrantÂ’s dream and it is unconstitutional! http://tinyurl.com/pzbwtpo Posted by: CarolT at October 22, 2013 08:05 AM (z4WKX) It surrenders the House's power as a co-equal branch of the government to the executive, destroying one of this nation's foundational principles. It's about as unconstitutional as you can get, but given the fact that the third branch, the judiciary, is all but a rubber stamp to the executive thanks to John Roberts, I suspect that this maneuver will be upheld. Tyranny. How does it taste, my friends?

126

Morning

 

*yawn*

 

Is it me, or has it been boring lately?

j/k

127 Mike Bettis said he spent $1600 dollars replacing all of his bulbs with those CFL ones.

Those are gonna get banned, too.
http://is.gd/P31Osn

Hey, full employment for chandlers.

128

>>The Fed isn't going to stop printing money anytime soon. It's going to get worse.

.

.

.Wow, just wow.  A Trillion dollars a month?  From the Article:

 

"Faber has been predicting so-called "QE infinity" because "every government program that is introduced under urgency and as a temporary measure is always permanent." He also said, "The Fed has boxed itself into a position where there is no exit strategy."

 

He is correct.  Every time there is a hint they might ease back, the market nose dives.

129 For the LIV crowd, a message might be "if the government can't even get the website to work after 3 years, how can you possibly think they're going to get your healthcare right? You might have thought private health insurance companies sucked, but at least their websites/phone lines worked. And once they're gone, all you'll have is... the government. And nowhere else to turn." Something like that, but more betterer.

130 Hizzonah Mayor Richard J Daley would've eaten Rahm Emmanual for lunch, with TFG for desert. That's what my just-awakened brain compelled me to note. Compelled! On my own I would just say, Hi, all. Cool but pleasant morning here, waiting for Mr Sun.

131 Is it me, or has it been boring lately?


Double the vanilla on the second one, it's amazing.
http://whatscookingamerica.net/Desserts/SugarCreamPie.htm

132

Tyranny. How does it taste, my friends?

 

Like the shit sandwich it's intended to be.

 

Rules mean nothing. Principle means nothing.   Power is everything.

 

We are so terribly screwed...

133 The only reason I want the software fixed is that some critical m⚛ss of outrage will occur as soon as possible.

134 Over at NRO/Corner, Daniel, the 22 year old featured in a Web ad as having signed up for Obamacare is in the comments justifying you subsidizing his insurance premium.

135 Fixating on the Soeterocare website's failure is a bad idea.

No doubt about that, but it's what "Republicans" do.

We are beginning to see the effects of Choom Boy's treason piling up, and the dumb shits who see politics as a kind of game they can play with their friends will not focus on either the cause or effect, but will cherry-pick and yammer on about process.

This is why some of us see seriously bad times ahead. The focus on "fairness," "optics" and "poll-tested results" lets the traitors act with impunity. The basic issue -- what the Prophets of Choom are doing to us and to our country -- requires someone getting their hands dirty and doing some work to correct.

The Poppin' Fresh response to evil is destroying the country. The only solution for lawlessness is apprehension and punishment of lawbreakers. That the ranks of the evildoers includes damn near everyone in Congress and the president only makes the task a little more difficult. If and when someone comes along who has the balls to act like a patriotic American, that is.

At this point, the only possible alternative to an outbreak of balls can only be expressed in words that would get you banned at Tepid Air.

136 So that crazy, radical idea of delaying the rollout that Ted Cruz had is the same thing the administrationÂ’s paid experts recommended?

137 John Roberts is GWB's version of Souter that his dipshit old man inflicted on the nation.

138 The government is going to Verizon for help with their website. Where does a Verizon customer go for help? I'm trying to re-up my FIOS but at no additional cost. I'm not paying another nickel more then in the past. So you try to 'chat' online with these idiots in customer service in downtown New Delhi and they're about as dumb as a rock. I swear I'll go back to Comcast if they keep pissing me off. Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at October 22, 2013 07:20 AM (U2UQk) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Schroedinger's Cat- The Comcast chat people are from India too. Also dumb as stumps. Go to the phone help people. They ARE American and very efficient. What took me 45 minutes with no success on the chat online was resolved on two minutes via telephone. Verizon pissed me off so badly last year that I will never do business with them again. Comcast customer service has been superb for me. Only by telephone though.

139 Virginia is lost.

Reading the Politico article about Bloomberg's influence on the race here makes me really glad I didn't sell my rifle.

140 I get emails sent from Government Technology, an industry trade pub, and Hughes etc. The latest round of blurbs are all about making your networks run smoothly, dealing with bandwidth issues, etc. Nice rueful laugh first thing in the AM

141 Those are gonna get banned, too. http://is.gd/P31Osn Hey, full employment for chandlers. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ is too sober for this at October 22, 2013 08:18 AM (hO8IJ) Yup. I'd say that the envirobints want us all to go back to using candles but then I remembered that candles are bad because indoor air pollution and asthma, dontcha know.

142 Basically, but that would have meant giving up 'their winnings' yeah, great thoughts to ponder on a birthday. They surrendered to someone who used sick children, and the bodies of our fallen as gambling chips, one would say 'Release the Ravages' but that would give them indigestion,

143 #137 Having been on many projects from Hell, the frustration of any IT guys trying to push back on the roll out day against Preznit Pissy Pants and his Iranian Rodent enabler must have been huge.

144

Ted Poe was awesome as a state judge, sentencing offenders to standing at busy intersections with a sandwich board detailing their crime, slapping contempt of court on lawyers who earned his wrath, etc.  He had been a decent legislator up to now but I am sure he did get a raft of shit about the amnesty stance.  He's not my guy though.  Michael McCaul is my rep and has not made a vote yet that I disliked.

 

Sam Houston (Indian name "The Big Drunk") ran from Santa Anna so long that his men nearly deposed him but the stretch them out tactic finally worked in the middle of the swampy land near San Jacinto.  Houston knew that Santa Anna alive would throw Mexican politics into turmoil so he let him go after capturing him.  And it worked.  BTW, friends of mine in Tyler have Davy Crockett's fiddle in a glass case and one of old Sam's rocking chairs.

 

I'll say it for the 400th time.  Secede.  Republic of Texas.

145 Check out the WaTimes article about the upcoming funeral of Rep. Bill Young if you need a Rage Injection this morning.

The slimeballs in Congress are being flown to Florida by the USAF for the funeral? We're picking up the tab?

Note also the number of days off Our Overlords are giving themselves these days.

Someone should lock the doors of the House while they're gone and never let these worthless turds back in.

146 Having read about and then reviewed that thing in the Rose Garden yesterday, I think Hitler's messaging in the last ten days of the Third Reich made more sense. Did you know that one of the people standing behind you know who was discharged from the Air Force in 2002 under Don't Ask Don't Tell? THE WHITE HOUSE PUT THAT IN THE PRESS RELEASE. Up next: The woman who fainted? Allergic to Velveeta. The guy next to her? Once shared a cab with Reese Witherspoon.

147 A former chief of staff of a Democratic Florida congressman, convicted in a voter-fraud scheme, will be hung by the neck until dead, in the public square. /alternate universe where 'traitor' is a bit more broadly defined and punishment as a deterrent is appreciated

148 "...envirobints..."

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at October 22, 2013 08:32 AM (VtjlW)

Why yes! Thank you.

I will steal this.

149 Clearly the leftys are worried about the Virginia race, bulking up the firepower. The Richmond Paper refused to endorse any of the candidates, a surprise for the McAuliffe bunch. An ad should be developed about New Yorkers sticking together, with Bloomberg and McAuliffe pictured together. Nikki Haley campaigned with Cuccinelli last week, but it would be nice if the RGA would step up to the plate here a bit more with some cash for commercials instead of ceding this race to the leftys. It isn't as if there are any other races besides NJ this year.

150

I think we should highlight the technical accomplishments of the Obama Admin, since obviously they are extremely capable in those spheres they consider critical.

 

The government, for example, can read every email and monitor nearly every cellphone. They can automagically read every Facebook entry, every Tweet, most SMS textings. They can break encryption and set keylogging worms on the PCs of average citizens. They can track users of "Dark Net" sites previously unknown even to each other. They've even taken credit for internet warfare oriented things like StuxNet, which set back Iran's nuke program to some unknown degree.

 

I mean, that's some seriously sophisticated tech know-how. Just because they can't build a simple e-commerce site for insurance that they require you to have or face penaties isn't any reason to call 'em names, guys.

151
Can we use our hands today to draw turkeys on construction paper? And use the crayons that smell good to color them in?

152 She says it was "rush through Congress last night". I thought it was still in the Senate. I don't see the House approving this. Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 08:11 AM (zZbNF) Hi Vic, That Editorial was from October 18. I just opened my email from yesterday this morning. I fell asleep sitting in my chair shortly after I got home last night. I read one editorial and then clicked BetsyÂ’s. Congress probably passed it to reopen to government last week. IÂ’ve been falling asleep soon after I come home form work, I think itÂ’s all the fumes from the construction. I work in Prudential Tower in Boston there is no fresh air. I just noticed I had message on machine. Paul called me last night after 11 and I missed it. HeÂ’s in a hospital room now. IÂ’m sure I was asleep. Carol

153 Posted by: mindful webworker at sunrisr at October 22, 2013 08:35 AM (1s+pS)

I would argue that voter fraud should be punished much more severely than it is currently.

It is a subversion of the democratic process, not unlike selling secrets to an enemy.

154 Can we use our hands today to draw turkeys on construction paper? And use the crayons that smell good to color them in? Do we get to use paste? The white kind that tastes so good when I get it on my fingers, up my nose, and all over my clothes?

155

"Can we use our hands today to draw turkeys on construction paper? And use the crayons that smell good to color them in?"

 

Nope, someone might curl their fingers wrong and it would end up looking like a gun.

156 Schroedinger's Cat- The Comcast chat people are from India too. Also dumb as stumps. Go to the phone help people. They ARE American and very efficient. What took me 45 minutes with no success on the chat online was resolved on two minutes via telephone. Posted by: NoLongerintheBellyoftheBeast at October 22, 2013 08:28 AM (D/mKE) I think most providers have incompetent fist-line support people. A few years back, I was having trouble with my AT&T connection at home. I called their support, and the guy started in on his script. I stopped him and told him that I was an IT guy. I just needed him to loop my modem to check connectivity to it. He told me he had no way to do that. I hung up and called back and got a different guy and asked the same thing. He checked it, identified a switch that was down, and told me he would get it turned in. About an hour later, I was back up and running.

157

>>>Nope, someone might curl their fingers wrong and it would end up looking like a gun.

 

COP: "Drop it!"

CHILD: "I can't! My fingers are glued to - " [blam blam blam]

 

[Yes, the cop gets off with a reprimand after a paid investigation period. why even ask?]

158 http://tinyurl.com/mdo2fxo Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 06:54 AM (zZbNF) What is it about Democrat Presidents holding office and increases in the number and severity of mass shootings? More and more I believe these are not merely 'coincidence'

159 #154 It is treason against the country IMO and should be punished by a public hanging, although I could allow a lethal injection as a sign of my nearly infinite compassion.

160 Give it all to Ted Cruz and turn him into a power broker of the right cloth Posted by: Bronco Bama at October 22, 2013 08:12 AM (VWfCN) I see nothing wrong with doing that, giving all to Ted Cruz. I just watched. rather listened to Dick Cheney interview from yesterday I believe. This is the diplomatic thing to say about Cruz etc. Dick Cheney says the real problem in Washington is Barack Obama. And then when pushed even more on it, Cheney plays down whatÂ’s going on in the Republican Party and refuses to criticize Ted Cruz. Now thatÂ’s how itÂ’s done. And of course, when asked about the Tea Party, he has nothing but praise for what the Tea Party has been doing. I cut words from The Right Scoop. I cannot change formatting on Mac to bold or anything else.

161

The GOP would rather let him lose because he didnÂ’t wait for his turn? They should be doing everything to help him.

--------------

 

Yep - here's the situation...

 

First, VA Governors are term-limited to one term.

 

Bill Bolling (RINO) was Lieutenant Governor under Tim Kaine.  Bolling was set to run as Governor in 2009, but was persuaded to run a second term as Lieutenant so Bob McDonnell could run.  The deal was that Bolling would step aside, then run in 2013 with McDonnell's endorsement.

 

Meanwhile Ken Cuccinelli, who was a Delegate before winning statewide election as Attorney General under McDonnell, ran for the Governor slot and forced a convention instead of a traditional primary.  And Cuccinelli won the convention, taking Bolling out of the race he was "supposed" to be in.  This created bad blood in the VA GOP because, hey, the backroom deal  between Bolling, McDonnell, and the VA GOP  was now null and void. 

 

So Bolling goes apeshit and starts badmouthing Cuccinelli, going so far as to question his ability to be governor on several interviews...all of which were gleefully lapped up by the VA Democrats.  Meanwhile, you have Dems working to nationalize McAuliffe and the national GOP passing up a chance to nationalize Cuccinelli (like they did with Brown (MA) and Walker (WI).).  Because hey, Cuccinelli is a tea party kind of guy and makes the suits a little too uncomfortable.

 

The whole thing is a case study in how Establishment GOPers still have the party in a stranglehold.

162 I could allow a lethal injection as a sign of my nearly infinite compassion.

Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at October 22, 2013 08:44 AM (qbaMG)

And they say conservatives have no heart!

163 He outright endorsed his opponent (Bevin?). McConnell must go. Traitorous thieving pig. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 22, 2013 08:13 AM (uf1pv) J.J. Sefton, I had Levin on but was packing and working and trying to decide what to throw away. Did Levin endorse Bevin? Thank you, Carol.

164 And of course, when asked about the Tea Party, he has nothing but praise for what the Tea Party has been doing. He also said the Tea Party needs to be working from inside the GOP and not the outside.

165 Murdering thug who punched crazy Pats chick fan is the son of a cop.

4 yrs for stabbing a kid to death? Pretty good plea deal ya got there. Wonder how that happened. /sarc

166 Ted Cruz's recent   TP  speech - http://tinyurl.com/lpg8nng

167

 could allow a lethal injection as a sign of my nearly infinite compassion.

Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at October 22, 2013 08:44 AM (qbaMG)

 

As long as it's Drano...

168 The Oregon miles driven tax is stupid.  Without GPS to tell where the miles are driven, Oregon is basically saying it owns your car.  With GPS it's even worse by being so very intrusive.  The gas tax makes way more sense because the tax is paid at the point of sale. 

169 The whole thing is a case study in how Establishment GOPers still have the party in a stranglehold. Posted by: @JohnTant at October 22, 2013 08:47 AM (PFy0L) This is another reason why we must get rid of the GOP establishment, they are a vindictive bunch, arenÂ’t they?

170 The whole thing is a case study in how Establishment GOPers still have the party in a stranglehold. Posted by: @JohnTant at October 22, 2013 08:47 AM (PFy0L) Yep, and they fail to understand they are strangling themselves.

171 Virginia is deep purple, but 5 years ago we elected a Republican governor and LT governor in a 20pt landslide. Our governor was hugely popular and was talked about seriously as a running mate for Mitt Romney. Then events happened. As they say, all politics is local The Republican Party had an ugly fight over how to select the next candidate. Blood on the floor and lots of leftover butthurt. A cook got fired in the Governors mansion for stealing food, he said the governors kids took food too and it was true. Plus some legal but ugly looking gifts from a friend to the governors wife in the amount of about 100k. The governor should have resigned but he let that hang out there for months while the campaigns were just getting started. McAullife is air dropping bundles of money on the airwaves and they are all saying that Cuccinelli hates women . Cuccinelli is trying to duck that so he is pointedly NOT running as the progun candidate, just as McAuliffe is NOT running as the antigun candidate. Bill Clintons enabler and fundraiser is running as prowoman and anticorruption. And Virginians are eating it up

172 I live in VA. This fucking place is a god damn blue state anymore. Northern va with all the government workers, college kids, and fucking young yuppies moving in for IT and gov jobs might as well be San Francisco. Posted by: Mr Pink at October 22, 2013 06:54 AM (3Sr46) Tell me about it. Arlington/Alexandria/NoVa in general might as well be a suburb of DC. I can't believe McAuliffe is about to be governor.

173 >Michael Bloomberg to buy big for Terry McAuliffe<

Folks in Virginia better wise up. Or you will be the next domino to fall in the Democrats "take over the states" agenda.

Bloomberg's endorsement has been the kiss of death for almost every candidate.

Will Virginia now be giving up its Second Amendment right?

174 The gas tax makes way more sense because the tax is paid at the point of sale. So the owners of electric vehicles get to destroy the roads, and get a tax credit for initial purchase? Seems like there should be some middle ground of voluntary compliance, by listing mileage on registration or something, with a ☑ box if electric. Get 'em then.

175 "Remember, the Obama Administration's first excuse for why the Obamacare rollout was failing ..."

Obama lies and deceives to deflect attention from its incompetence and failures. 

Color me shocked.

176

McAullife is air dropping bundles of money on the airwaves and they are all saying that Cuccinelli hates women .

 

If Cooch wanted to go nuclear, he could just say, "Terry, if I hated women, I'd  be like your good buddy Bill Clinton and  rape them or use them as a cigar holder.  But I respect women, so you'll never see me getting a BJ in the governor's office and then lying about it to a grand jury."

177 Traitorous thieving pig. Politician.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 22, 2013 08:13 AM (uf1pv)

Edited for brevity.

178 Will Virginia now be giving up its Second Amendment right?

Posted by: Marcus at October 22, 2013 08:54 AM (GGCsk)

I can't speak for Virginia, but this Virginian won't be.  Regardless of any legislative push from Gov. McDouche.

179 Re The Republic of Texas. Gold star for anyone who can name (no cheating with search engine) the Commodore of the Texas Navy. Bonus if you can tell where the image of their most famous action has been primarily recorded.

180

Will Virginia now be giving up its Second Amendment right?

Posted by: Marcus at October 22, 2013 08:54 AM (GGCsk)

 

----------------

 

I'd say unlikely, even if McAuliffe went full retard and started agitating for gun bans.  While it'd get play in the northern suburbs, the structure of the House of Delegates and the State Senate is such that he'd still have a hard time getting things through.  However, it would also mean an end to expansion of gun rights for the next four years as there aren't enough votes to override a veto.

 

That said,  the main thing I'm worried about is the end of statewide preemption.  Local governments are forbidden to create local ordinances having to do with guns - it all has to be at the state level.  I'm concerned that there are enough RINOs who would offer that up as a fig leaf to McAuliffe in lieu of a statewide gun ban.

 

181 So I went to our local adult toy to check on several outstanding purchases.

My wife's one toy, purchased, and received by the toy store is 42 days into waiting for the State paperwork to clear.

One toy, ordered 54 days ago is back ordered at the manufacturer.
That toy can no longer be purchased legally in this State, but my purchase was made prior to the enacting of new adult toy ownership laws.

And the last toy purchase, made in the final hours of September has no shipping date available from the manufacturer.

I am lead to believe that if one were inclined to not follow State law, one could take physical possession of any of these toys within days, if not hours of the decision to make a purchase.

But I shall continue to follow all applicable laws ,no matter how cumbersome and burdensome they become.

It gives me an opportunity to verbally throat punch those citizens who like to blather on about how one can legally buy adult toys at the drop of a hat due to loopholes large enough to drive a truck through.

182 I can't say this enough times: McAuliffe is human garbage who bankrolled the red-nosed predator and his enabler wife who never failed to blame Slick's victims every fucking time. You want to talk anti-women, cocksuckers? Well sit the fuck down.

183

Maybe Oregon needs a Gas Party what dresses up like Hippies and dumps gas into a bay or whatever.

184 So the owners of electric vehicles get to destroy the roads, and get a tax credit for initial purchase?

I know it's Oregon, so there may be more electric cars per capita, but how many of those things are actually on the road, plus their range is severely limited.  How about a fee for electric cars instead of the stupidity they are proposing? 

185 "So the owners of electric vehicles get to destroy the roads, and get a tax credit for initial purchase? Seems like there should be some middle ground of voluntary compliance, by listing mileage on registration or something, with a ☑ box if electric. Get 'em then."

Bicycles. Adult urban bike riders are all the time talking about "Taking Back The Streets"
Screw all you seat sniffing effete  poofters in your spandex body gloves.
You wanna own the streets. Help pay for 'em.

186 Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at October 22, 2013 08:59 AM (qbaMG) Amen Skipper, I don't understand how this man with his history of corruption and lies is even in the running. The GOP must be doing a really shitting job of Campaigning. Or, maybe they heve chosen the John McCain "High Road".

187 Nuke Oregon 'from Orbit, only way to make sure'

188 So Bolling goes apeshit and starts badmouthing Cuccinelli, going so far as to question his ability to be governor on several interviews...all of which were gleefully lapped up by the VA Democrats. Meanwhile, you have Dems working to nationalize McAuliffe and the national GOP passing up a chance to nationalize Cuccinelli (like they did with Brown (MA) and Walker (WI).). Because hey, Cuccinelli is a tea party kind of guy and makes the suits a little too uncomfortable. All part of a pattern - if the moderates lose, they scorch the earth. Castle, Murkowski,Scozzafava, Spectre, Crist...All the moderate wing of the party. If the conservative loses, the moderati demand party unity. There are three political parties. A liberal one, a conservative one, and a low-tax progressive party. The last is the stupidest. Pretending there are two parties isn't going to win a goddamn thing.

189

Hey tomorrow is National Pack-a-Sack Lunch Day.

 

You fkrs better be packin'!

With like arugula and water, dammit.

And no paper bags! Jeez, there's so many rules now.

190 I could allow a lethal injection as a sign of my nearly infinite compassion. Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at October 22, 2013 08:44 AM

In a sign that I am, perhaps, getting more moderate as I age, I would prefer traitors to get life imprisonment. LWOP, as the LAPD used to say.

I want to see Choom Boy, his enablers, and the self-serving maggots in Congress in orange jumpsuits, sent out under guard to break rocks in the Texas desert. For a very, very long time.

Murderers should be sunffed. Traitors should have long, painful years to realize that you cannot break the law and cause harm to others just because you're "special."

191 Bicycles. Adult urban bike riders are all the time talking about "Taking Back The Streets" Screw all you seat sniffing effete poofters in your spandex body gloves. You wanna own the streets. Help pay for 'em. Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 22, 2013 09:02 AM (OuGy9) Oh man, every time those SOB's ride two by two on the country roads or swerve out on purpose like they are daring you to hit them I get pissed. I hate to say it, but everytime a bicyclist is killed, I am torn between "That's Sad" and "Fist pump!"

192

"Gold star for anyone who can name (no cheating with search engine) the Commodore of the Texas Navy."

 

Revolutionary or Republic?  I probably ought to recuse myself, this is one of my main areas of study.

193 If Cooch wanted to go nuclear, he could just say... But he doesn't. Going nuclear scares chicks, say the consultants. Stay nice. Cuccinelli had some hard hitting stuff for a bit, but I think they had to cool their jets. And, besides, tying him to Clinton works to his advantage, because for whatever reason, people love them some Bill Clinton. And Hillary by extension. Which is why Hillary Fucking Clinton could say the following and not be greeted by howls of laughter: "They’re wondering ‘Could I give this person my vote and will he then remember me? If I vote for him or her, will they do what I heard them say they will do? Will they get diverted by big money or ideology or power will they remember who put them into office?’" she continued. "I can tell you, you don’t have to worry about that with Terry McAuliffe.” Yeah, you don't have to worry about that because he you can be confident that he won't remember you if you don't have big money.

194 Time to write. Later rons.

195 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 22, 2013 08:49 AM (0HooB) Thanks for link BackwardsBoy. I will try to watch it on my iPhone today when I have lunch. I hope everyone has a good day. Try not to think of the thieving bastards in DC. That will help!

196 19 Vic,

but hey Vic Flatbush Joe said I was crazy that flipping the reqs was the goal of the "bargain."

burn in hell GOP

197 Because the Post is part of the scam, that's why, McAuliffe' is something you would stomp under foot, but would be afraid to, because the acid would eat right through.

198 I donÂ’t have time to read it but over at Hot Air, which I do visit but never post for obvious reasons. Chamber of Commerce, business groups look to dislodge Tea Party candidates. Why? Their intentions are right, limit government and keep taxes low. Chamber must be one of the groups that want immigration reform.

199 You fkrs better be packin'! With like arugula and water, dammit. And no paper bags! Jeez, there's so many rules now. Posted by: Bigby's Black Flag ----------------- And NO peanut butter sandwiches.

200 Revolutionary or Republic? I probably ought to recuse myself, this is one of my main areas of study. Posted by: Mr. Dave ----------------- Republic

201 49 JJ Sefton,

now go out there and vote GOP JJ....

no really that is the Jack Straw message last week.

202 #188 Our fellow morons have laid out pretty coherently how the establishment Repukes are pulling their standard hissy fits about one of those conservative parvenus endangering their party invites. Growing up in Maryland, I considered the entire state of Virginia borderline retarded; with the donk trash from my state having leached over the border with homegrown insanity like George Lincoln Rockwell in Arlington. The further south you went the better it got.

203 And NO peanut butter sandwiches.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 22, 2013 09:12 AM (aDwsi)

 

PBJ is RAAAAAACIST!

204 @56, A Cure for Baldness. Good news, it really works. Bad news, it involves the use of someone else's foreskin, and a laboratory mouse. This will set back the anti-circumcision movement rather badly, one would think. Talk about your organ donors.

A "fair" and relatively unobtrusive way to assess highway use taxes for differently fuelled vehicles? Just require a (possible witnessed) report of the odometer reading on each year's license-registration form, then fuck-you-pay-me. Most states already class odo-rolling as a felony, for much older reasons. Cheaper and less hassle than installing sneaky-Flo's on all cars.

The only objection -- it's a big one -- is that in some cases many of those miles may have been off road, not on publicly funded highways. What would probably happen is that the fee would be re-purposed as a pollution tax (yeah electrics have a pollution profile too, and sooner or later gummint will need that excuse). After that case, the next complaint would be that some miles were out of state. The ultimate solution as with everything else will be federal licensing.

205 I was at a retreat so I missed the Sunday book thread. While I was at the retreat I picked up, "Why is this happening to me?" by Wayne Monbleau. It is a very good exploration of suffering and the nature of us following Christ as a wounded healer: http://www.lovinggrace.org/book_excerpts/woundedhealer.html

206 Why? Their intentions are right, limit government and keep taxes low. Chamber must be one of the groups that want immigration reform. Chamber of Commerce wants them sweet, sweet taco trucks...

207 I can't speak for Virginia, but this Virginian won't be. Regardless of any legislative push from Gov. McDouche. Posted by: Washington Nearsider at October 22, 2013 08:58 AM (fwARV) Same here. Going to look into the 'private sale' route.

208

Moore

209 "I hate to say it, but everytime a bicyclist is killed, I am torn between "That's Sad" and "Fist pump!""

I guess it depends on the specific circumstances of the accident.
Where the rider is not at fault, I clearly would go with  "That's sad"

But on the other hand, some events just beg for a fist pump.

One time soon I will probably go on a long tearing screed about the stupidity of urban joggers.  In most municipalities, these people fall under the category of "Pedestrian", and pedestrian law applies to them.
Recently, our local State University had to remove signs because, as someone pointed out, the signs read "State law, Stop for pedestrians at crosswalk".
State law actually says that one must stop for pedestrians IN the actual crosswalk. And that pedestrians must not step out into traffic in such a way as to cause vehicles to be forced to come to a sudden stop.

I actually derive great pleasure from mentioning this law to my MiL, while she stands on the sidewalk yelling that cars should stop for her.

210 Hammer, it was Charles Edward Hawkins.  You've really got me thinking on where the artwork is located.  I'm not real sure if the engagement you mean is Matamoros (Revolutionary) or Bay of Campeche (Republic).

211 they got the delay of the employer mandate, so au revoir suckers.

212 MTF, thanks for the link on Steve Stockman.  He's great.  Funny guy, too.

213 Good Morning Morons. Today is Tuesday, October 22, 2013. On this day in 1836 Sam Houston was inaugurated as the first President of the Republic of Texas. It's about time we had another. Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 06:53 AM (zZbNF) Amen!

214 Moore

215 The fix is in for McAuliffe in VA. He's going to "win" it the same way Obama "won" it in 2012 (and anyone who still believes Obama "won" it in 2012 can kiss my *ss). The MSM, of course, will go crazy flooding the zone with how it is a sign of things to come for the rest of the country:  anti-gun, anti-coal and pro-Obamacare is our future.
 

216 The whole idea is stupid to begin with. Why not just jack up the taxes on gasoline? http://tinyurl.com/mlkc7pp Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 06:53 AM (zZbNF) Or better yet, cut down the size of the ****** government.

217

Mike Hammer,

 

 

This might help identify the oiler you asked about. It's an EBAY link. Scroll down the page for the seller's info about the oiler.

 

 

http://tinyurl.com/keto553

218 Your move, Mr. Cruz.

219 With the exception of agricultural diesel (dyed a different color for inspection, and not taxed for road use), everybody who buys motor fuel pays highway use tax. You buy gas for a generator of lawn mower, and pay a portion for supposed road maintenance. Not exactly fair; not exactly considered a big issue.

Now that electricity is a motor fuel, all use of electricity will be road-taxed. The precedent already exists. I expect to feel very unhappy when it passes, at 2 AM.

220 Why? Their intentions are right, limit government and keep taxes low. Chamber must be one of the groups that want immigration reform.

--

They are big immigration pushers.  They're going to do everything they can to ram this through.  And that means giving major money to all those candidates that will help them achieve that.  They care nothing for the well being or stability of this country as a sovereign nation.  They want their cheap labor, and the rest of us can go eff off.

221 Chamber of Commerce, business groups look to dislodge Tea Party candidates.
Why? Their intentions are right, limit government and keep taxes low. Chamber must be one of the groups that want immigration reform.

Posted by: CarolT at October 22, 2013 09:11 AM (z4WKX)

 

 

 

 

Simple,  under  scomfcare  amnestied  illegals  don't  qualify  and  therefore  no  scomfcare  employer's  penalty  for  not  providing  healthcare  coverage.  Cheaper  than  hiring  citizens.

222 Posted by: Dancing Queen at October 22, 2013 09:19 AM (FDGeg) InvestorÂ’s Business Daily also doubts Obama win was an honest one, because of the IRS audits, etc.

223 "145 Ted Poe was awesome as a state judge, sentencing offenders to standing at busy intersections with a sandwich board detailing their crime, slapping contempt of court on lawyers who earned his wrath, etc. He had been a decent legislator up to now but I am sure he did get a raft of shit about the amnesty stance. He's not my guy though. Michael McCaul is my rep and has not made a vote yet that I disliked.

Sam Houston (Indian name "The Big Drunk") ran from Santa Anna so long that his men nearly deposed him but the stretch them out tactic finally worked in the middle of the swampy land near San Jacinto. Houston knew that Santa Anna alive would throw Mexican politics into turmoil so he let him go after capturing him. And it worked. BTW, friends of mine in Tyler have Davy Crockett's fiddle in a glass case and one of old Sam's rocking chairs.

I'll say it for the 400th time. Secede. Republic of Texas.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 22, 2013 08:33 AM (mROce)"

The topic of secession comes up here from time to time.  Perhaps you would like to read what the other side has to say on the subject:

http://tinyurl.com/mrtst2r

I urge you to read the article and read the comments.  They hate us.  They really hate us.  If this were a marriage, even the Pope would be recommending a divorce.

224 McAuffile might win, but the polling gap is there because of the Libertarian Sarvis. I doubt he will get anywhere near his 7 to 8 percent on Election Day.

225 84 I hate to be the one who breaks it to you, but Virginia is now a blue state, and the reason is simple: it has become an extension of D.C. Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at October 22, 2013 07:44 AM (MSrqi) They are being assimilated by the Borg collective.

226 The only objection -- it's a big one -- is that in some cases many of those miles may have been off road, not on publicly funded highways. Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 22, 2013 09:13 AM (JNUY4) Or the miles may not have been in that state at all...if I have to pay Oregon taxes on miles driven in Washington, then, as stated earlier, Oregon 'owns' my car. I live on the NC/SC border. 50% of my driving is done in South Carolina. Why should I pay NC all of the tax? Oh, I should pay tax to BOTH states? Which means more time spent fucking with DMVs? Of course, I could pay NC and they could figure it out with SC, but then that means more fucking bureaucrats and government. The exact opposite of what I want. See the utter simplicity of a point-of-sale tax? I don't care about electric vehicles. If you are concerned about them paying road usage tax, then hit them with a much higher registration fee to offset the loss in gas tax.

227 227 diogenes lamp,

another state bought with federal money for donkey party...

228 Or hit them with property tax. That is what NC and SC does. OF course, they have gas tax on top of that as well.

229 Bunch of nickelfuckers in the VA GOP ready to ruin the state out of spite. Fuckers. Posted by: @JohnTant at October 22, 2013 07:55 AM (PFy0L) I figured that out when they gamed the rules to secure a Romney win.

230 See the utter simplicity of a point-of-sale tax? I don't care about electric vehicles. If you are concerned about them paying road usage tax, then hit them with a much higher registration fee to offset the loss in gas tax. Posted by: blindside at October 22, 2013 09:27 AM (WzWmY) This is where I bring up how everyone is yelled at to conserve water and such and then the water company slams a surcharge on the bill because water usage declined. Or, as others have noted, the people who were hit by Sandy getting nailed with huge utility bills when they didn't have power for weeks.

231 The chamber is dominated by small business guys, many of whom need the low wage - hardworking immigrant workers. They want a better way of getting these guys, but I think amnesty is a poor path. They need an expanded guest worker program that is run commercially, not but some bored Government guy. Bonded commercial visas (they stay, you pay) thru manpower firms, who can escrow a chunk of wages to be remitted upon return.

232

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at October 22, 2013 09:24 AM (q1sF4)

 

I can't access the comments, but the smug coming off of that article is intolerable.  As someone posted yesterday, if you keep calling us "domestic terrorists," sooner or later we might decide to live up to the name.  Sic semper tyrannis aren't just funny words in some dead white male language.

233 Velvet gets the star for Moore. Edwin Moore. The Battle was the Bay of Campeche The battle was depicted as an engraving on 1851 Colt Navy revolvers.

234 ted by: Sean Bannion at October 22, 2013 06:55 AM (6T8Ay) Poor VA being rotted out because it's DC adjacent.

235 There are a LOT of people who believe that everyone needs to get along and then things will be fine in government. But no one really needs bipartisan tax increases, etc. But people believe that it is nice. Do you hear people talking about how they don't trust anyone who is trying to make a profit?

236 VA could always give Arlington and Alexandria back to DC

237 230 Or hit them with property tax. That is what NC and SC does. OF course, they have gas tax on top of that as well.

Posted by: blindside at October 22, 2013 09:28 AM (WzWmY)

Property taxes go to the county you live in, not the State.

238 I urge you to read the article and read the comments. They hate us. They really hate us. If this were a marriage, even the Pope would be recommending a divorce.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at October 22, 2013 09:24 AM (q1sF4)

It's crazy over there...

I have always thought the 'armed violence is coming' crowd was insane.

Now, I buy ammo.

239 another state bought with federal money for donkey party... Posted by: sven10077 at October 22, 2013 09:28 AM (9jfyN) It is an insidious and vile system. If we cannot stop and reverse this we need to concentrate our efforts on making the nation ungovernable.

240 The chamber is dominated by small business guys, many of whom need the low wage - hardworking immigrant workers. They want a better way of getting these guys, but I think amnesty is a poor path. They need an expanded guest worker program that is run commercially, not but some bored Government guy. Bonded commercial visas (they stay, you pay) thru manpower firms, who can escrow a chunk of wages to be remitted upon return. Posted by: Jean at October 22, 2013 09:30 AM (CMlD4) Why the hell do small businesses need imported labor? Because, it's funny, I keep hearing about how Americans won't do those jobs and we need low wage hard workers. But. But here's the thing, If that small business is complying with the law, then the wage differential will be no different than hiring an American. You still have to meet minimum wage laws. You still have to carry workers' comp insurance. You still need to comply with federal, state and local taxing regulations.
So, where are the cost savings coming from, precisely? Because, you see, I have some very very very deep suspicions as to where.

241 VA could always give Arlington and Alexandria back to DC Posted by: Jean at October 22, 2013 09:33 AM (CMlD4) As an Alexandria resident: http://tinyurl.com/cqq5ho

242 ExSnipe - Thanks for the lead. I am most curious as to whether it was made for use with a particular gun, or if it was just an item that was produced by someone for general use. I kind of suspect the latter, but who knows?

243

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at October 22, 2013 09:24 AM (q1sF4)

 

Read the article, reading the comments.  Salon. *snort*   The guy managed to work every juvenile insult they have come up with in the past year into the article. 

I already knew they hated us and it warms my heart.  March the Army of the Potomac down here asshole.

244 Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at October 22, 2013 09:29 AM (VtjlW) This is of course the problem with infrastructure costs that's made worse by a monopoly (although to be honest I"m not sure I want competing roads or power companies or water companies, but I digress.) Anyway, we've kinda created a catch-22, we don't let the companies hold capital so then when something disastrous happens they have to shell out big bucks to fix problems while taking in no revenue to pay for that. I really don't have a good solution for it (because I don't want my power company holding millions in reserve either.)

245
Hey tomorrow is National Pack-a-Sack Lunch Day.

You fkrs better be packin'!
With like arugula and water, dammit.
And no paper bags! Jeez, there's so many rules now.

Posted by: Bigby's Black Flag Hoisting Hands at October 22, 2013 09:04 AM (3ZtZW)

When I was a kid Mom packed me a pokeful of food for lunch every morning.

My big brother was so big he got a croaker sack full.

246 But here's the thing, If that small business is complying with the law, then the wage differential will be no different than hiring an American. You still have to meet minimum wage laws. You still have to carry workers' comp insurance. You still need to comply with federal, state and local taxing regulations. So, where are the cost savings coming from, precisely? Because, you see, I have some very very very deep suspicions as to where. Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at October 22, 2013 09:35 AM (VtjlW) You know the answer to that. By hiring illegals, they don't have to worry about complying with the law, and that is exactly the point.

247 Yeah, electing a sequence of donk Senators and going for Obama twice kind of cinched it for me that VA had faded to blue. I don't know why, but I lol'd when I read that Wayne Newton's yacht had sunk.

248 Dump up

249

Regarding Virginia...

 

I realize the polls strongly favor the democrats, but you would think that if Virginia is so liberal and blue that Obama would have won with more than 3 points a year ago.

 

It all depends on who shows up on election day.

250 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2013 07:50 AM (zF6Iw)

So jwest is like JeffB, lying through his fucking teeth.

251 242 The chamber is dominated by small business guys, many of whom need the low wage - hardworking immigrant workers. They want a better way of getting these guys, but I think amnesty is a poor path. They need an expanded guest worker program that is run commercially, not but some bored Government guy. Bonded commercial visas (they stay, you pay) thru manpower firms, who can escrow a chunk of wages to be remitted upon return. Posted by: Jean at October 22, 2013 09:30 AM (CMlD4) Why the hell do small businesses need imported labor? Because, it's funny, I keep hearing about how Americans won't do those jobs and we need low wage hard workers. But. But here's the thing, If that small business is complying with the law, then the wage differential will be no different than hiring an American. You still have to meet minimum wage laws. You still have to carry workers' comp insurance. You still need to comply with federal, state and local taxing regulations. So, where are the cost savings coming from, precisely? Because, you see, I have some very very very deep suspicions as to where. Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at October 22, 2013 09:35 AM (VtjlW) Alexthechick, several places, all of which are grey, at best. No benefits, cash employment, greater productivity then natives at that price point (racist, but real), easier to manage or self managing extended families of workers. Sometimes your literally hiring a village and if someone is slouching, it's not your problem - el jefe (his uncle, and your shift leader) takes him out back and kicks the shit out of him.

252 Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at October 22, 2013 09:35 AM (VtjlW) I actually don't think it's 100% wrong though. I worked in a lab for several years, shoulder to shoulder with an Indian post doc. I made more than he did. And got better benefits to book (IIRC post docs aren't eligible for the 401k, but I may be wrong about that.) Why? In my case it was mostly luck*. But generally speaking American works (especially young ones) demand more money than their immigrant counterparts. And since we've created this awesome safety net, they'll hold out for it too. My old lab manager called it "insourcing." (A pretty good name for it actually.) I'd imagine you'd see the same thing in other fields as well, immigrant labor will work for minimum wage, American worker wants that plus $0.50/hr. *I say lucky, and that's because it was my first post college job that wasn't part time, I honestly had no idea what I should have made or even wanted to make, so I took the first number they said (which was just about $13/hr.) If they'd had said $10 I'd probably have taken it.

253 246 I really don't have a good solution for it (because I don't want my power company holding millions in reserve either.)

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at October 22, 2013 09:37 AM (GaqMa)

Power companies along the coast here in the South, particularly in FL, do hold money in reserve for repairs from storm damage.

254 182 Will Virginia now be giving up its Second Amendment right? Posted by: Marcus at October 22, 2013 08:54 AM (GGCsk) ---------------- I'd say unlikely, even if McAuliffe went full retard and started agitating for gun bans. While it'd get play in the northern suburbs, the structure of the House of Delegates and the State Senate is such that he'd still have a hard time getting things through. However, it would also mean an end to expansion of gun rights for the next four years as there aren't enough votes to override a veto. That said, the main thing I'm worried about is the end of statewide preemption. Local governments are forbidden to create local ordinances having to do with guns - it all has to be at the state level. I'm concerned that there are enough RINOs who would offer that up as a fig leaf to McAuliffe in lieu of a statewide gun ban. ---- Unless the Assembly flips, there is no way that pre-emotion gets overturned. And there are a lot of democrats in Virginia with guns and carry permits, many of them minorities. They are going to be in for a rude awakening about their new beloved candidate. They are used to the way things have been and have always rested on their laurels knowing they could safely vote dem and still not worry about their gun rights. Bloomberg is going all in because the Plan is to argue that the voters chose gun control by picking T-Mac. They will then pound away at it for the next four years. It is going to get Colorado ugly here real soon. I don think we will see any significant changes, but the anti-gun people smell blood hete. They have been after VA (as one of the most pro-gun states in the country) for decades and they see a golden opportunity here. Pro-gun democrats are just took blind to understand the kind if pressure they are about to face.

255 Alexthechick, several places, all of which are grey, at best. No benefits, cash employment, greater productivity then natives at that price point (racist, but real), easier to manage or self managing extended families of workers. Sometimes your literally hiring a village and if someone is slouching, it's not your problem - el jefe (his uncle, and your shift leader) takes him out back and kicks the shit out of him. Posted by: Jean at October 22, 2013 09:42 AM (CMlD4) All of which means said small business is not, in fact, complying with the law. If you know that your shift leader is going to beat the shit out of someone for not doing his job, that is on you. You do not get to claim to be the good guy because hey I'm going to hire a bunch of people that I will treat like a pack of dogs and who I don't give a shit if they can actually communicate with my customer base because fuck you. Look, I am deeply sympathetic to the position that the legal and regulatory burdens on small businesses are ridiculous. I am not sympathetic, at all, to the position that we need to ignore immigration laws in order to allow businesses, large or small, to get around those provisions. Or, more to the point, stop lying to my face about it. You want cheap labor that's not going to sue you and that you can pay cash to get around having to comply with record keeping burdens. I get it. I completely and totally get it. Hell, I even kinda agree. Just stop acting like you're doing something else.

256 Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at October 22, 2013 09:35 AM (VtjlW)

The laws of economics say that when the labor supply increases, the cost of that labor decreases. But when there is surplus labor already (15%-20% unemployment), I doubt that the marginal decrease in labor costs is worth the huge increase in sociatal costs of amnesty.

In fact, I'm willing to bet that labor costs will go up, because more of these previously off-the-books workers will suddenly be legal, with all of the protections of our wonderful legal system.

257 RE:Housing bust part Deux.


On Saturday I got my application for NJ Homestead tax rebate. Yesterday I got an escrow shortage bill from Chase.  I gotta GTF out of here. Fuck Christie, Fuck Chase, Fuck the town I live in. And fuck the deadbeats that don't even pay their mortgages and taxes. I must be a real dupe. These cocksuckers laugh at us while spending our money.


**Spit**

258

Read the article, reading the comments. Salon. *snort* The guy managed to work every juvenile insult they have come up with in the past year into the article.

 

What's funny is that they really think they're the ones who are fueling the economy.  The minute we "teahadists" are gone from the tax rolls, the FSA is fucked.  Which, as much as I dislike strikes, tells me a nationwide work stoppage would throw one hell of a monkey wrench into this administration.

 

I already knew they hated us and it warms my heart. March the Army of the Potomac down here asshole.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 22, 2013 09:36 AM (mROce)

 

Here's one damyankee who'd be proud to be on your side, Dave.

259 Power companies along the coast here in the South, particularly in FL, do hold money in reserve for repairs from storm damage.

Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 09:47 AM (zZbNF)

Probably part of utility regulation; a minimum reserve. And of course they can't reserve enough for the outlier storms, so they get their asses kicked by the politicians looking for cheap publicity. And if they do hold that much cash, then they are attacked for high rates.

260 Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 09:47 AM (zZbNF) I'm sure Ameren gets to hold some money but it's never enough. I haven't cracked their financials lately (they're a publicly traded company) but the utilities commission had them paying a $0.09 dividend for while (Which, given revenue was quite high.) And the commission is almost always approving the post storm "emergency" surcharge and rate increases.

261 Vic,

What are you talking about with Oregon diverting money to public transit? The state of Washington just gave Tri-Met (Oregon) power of emminent domain in WA state to build a light rail system that WA voters have voted against twice. AND, Tri-Met will get to keep all tolls collected on WA residents. We are in a serious fight in Clark County, to throw out the weasels on the city council that voted for this nonsense. It's not enough that they are collecting money in Oregon for public transportation. Now they are going to get to collect it in another state!

And, the current mayor of Vancouver WA ran on a campaign of no tolls on the new bridge across the Columbia river. It worked to get him elected, when he promptly decided that we really do need tolls after all. Don't get me started.

262 Alexthechick, I don't personally employ anyone without at TS clearance, so immigrants aren't my problem. However, I have family members who have restaurants and contracting/ small construction firms and what I described is how it works. If you hire a native, who turns out to be a bum, it can cost you a lot of money to get rid of him. Not so with an illegal. The self managing extended family stuff happens, do you think the responsible people from that family or village don't appreciate making 20x the cash they could back home. Those consolidated earnings might support 300 people, if some kid needs his ass kicked, oh well. You know what we need - more ass kickings for the native bums.

263 Probably part of utility regulation; a minimum reserve. And of course they can't reserve enough for the outlier storms, so they get their asses kicked by the politicians looking for cheap publicity. And if they do hold that much cash, then they are attacked for high rates.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 22, 2013 09:52 AM (oJ5Fd)

What usually happens after a major storm hits is the reserve fund is used for starting repairs short term.  The they ask for an emergency limited time rate increase to pay for all the repairs.

264 Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 09:34 AM (zZbNF) For vehicles property taxes those funds go to the county roads, right? Or do they just go into the county coffers for whatever they want to spend it on? Fucking thieves, the lot of them.

265 263 Posted by: notsothoreau at October 22, 2013 09:53 AM (Lqy/e)


What I was referring to was the Democrat Congress passed law which diverts 20% of all federal gas taxes to buses and rails.

266 Look, I am deeply sympathetic to the position that the legal and regulatory burdens on small businesses are ridiculous. I am not sympathetic, at all, to the position that we need to ignore immigration laws in order to allow businesses, large or small, to get around those provisions. Or, more to the point, stop lying to my face about it. You want cheap labor that's not going to sue you and that you can pay cash to get around having to comply with record keeping burdens. I get it. I completely and totally get it. Hell, I even kinda agree. Just stop acting like you're doing something else. Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at October 22, 2013 09:48 AM (VtjlW)
Speaking from the other side of the fence, prior to E-Verify, SSA confirmation was our only tool in construction to verify employee eligibility.
I am often confused when people speak about paying their employees terrible wages in stereotypical illegal immigrant jobs.
No sarcasm at all here; do other industries NOT have certified payrolls to report to the state/fed? In our industry, everything gets reported. Absolutely everything.
wdol.gov is there as a reference for what you are supposed to pay in what area - and the state/Fed do indeed police this kind of thing. There has not been a project I have worked on in the decade I've been an adult that has not had at least two, more often three, random inspections and inquiries to employees about their paid wages.
Then there are the post-project audits.
How exactly is it that so many folks are getting away with robbing their employees? I just do not see it in our industry. o.O I do not understand how it happens elsewhere.

267 266 For vehicles property taxes those funds go to the county roads, right? Or do they just go into the county coffers for whatever they want to spend it on?

Fucking thieves, the lot of them.

Posted by: blindside at October 22, 2013 09:57 AM (WzWmY)

Here, and in all the counties that I am familiar with it goes into the general fund.

268 "229 227 diogenes lamp,

another state bought with federal money for donkey party...

Posted by: sven10077 at October 22, 2013 09:28 AM (9jfyN)"

While it may be too late for this election, there is a way to save Virginia.

Republicans can support Blue State Congressmen in efforts to get Federal offices relocated to their states.  Massachusetts, for example is a hopeless Blue State and always will be.  How likely would Massachusetts Congressmen be to trade their votes, for example to vote against amnesty in order to move some federal facility with thousands of jobs out of Virginia and into their district?  Similarly, various administration functions can be moved out of DC itself and off to other hopelessly Blue states.  I bet you could get Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gilabrand to vote for a law removing the restrictions on silencers and automatic weapons in exchange for moving the Department of Agriculture to Syracuse.

269 This is where I bring up how everyone is yelled at to conserve water and such and then the water company slams a surcharge on the bill because water usage declined. Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at October 22, 2013 09:29 AM (VtjlW) Hilarious, huh? 'Buy fuel-efficient cars because they save your money and put less 'carbon pollution' (meaning CO2, which we need) into the air.' Then they try to figure out new ways to tax you because revenues decreased. Just like the cigarette taxes. 'How are we going to fund all of our special programs now?'

270 You know what we need - more ass kickings for the native bums. No. We need to prosecute the sleazy employers who break the law and foist legions of low-info third worlders into our healthcare and welfare systems. The workers are only cheap because we subsidize them.

271 Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 09:59 AM (zZbNF) So I shouldn't feel bad then for titling and registering my vehicles out of state is what you're saying. Not that I would do that of course. Why the f should I pay 'property tax' that goes into a general fund for a VEHICLE which was taxed at the time of purchase, pays registration and inspection 'fees' and pays gasoline taxes? I'd rather have a higher gas tax. At least that way I can decide if I want to pay it by not driving.

272 BTW, property tax used to go primarily to the schools here with an actual separate tax on your annual bill.  But they passed a 2 cent sales tax increase and eliminated all local school taxes as part of a plan to equalize school funding with poor vs rich counties.


So what did my county do?  They added the same tax back and called it a fee.  So now I pay double.

273 Kinley Ardal, those are bigger projects. Someone adding a deck doesn't get audited. Bevel, the problem is that they don't go home. Setup the system so they don't get paid until they pick up the cash back home - and they'll leave.

274 How exactly is it that so many folks are getting away with robbing their employees? I just do not see it in our industry. o.O I do not understand how it happens elsewhere. Corruption. It is a grave mistake to project your own tendency toward honesty and fair play onto others.

275 Where's Ace? Yet Another Vacation?

The rest of these guys are boring.