1 Morning.

2 Good Morning Morons.  Today is Tuesday, October 29, 2013.  On this day in 1618 Sir Walter Raleigh, who was instrumental in the founding of the colonies at VA was beheaded for treason against King James I.  In fact, the real reason was to satisfy the Spanish after Raleigh had attacked one of their settlements in the new world.  His last words are said to be (regarding the ax)  "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries." Strike, man, strike!"

3 If nothing else shows that Nancy Boy is in trouble for the upcoming primary next year, this does.  This is the political version of Wag The Dog trying to reestablish cred.  Too late sucker.

http://tinyurl.com/lvzobn4

4 Must have been a .22 or a .25, and a low powered one at that.  Gas station attendant is saved from a bullet fired by a robber when the bullet strikes his cell phone and failed to penetrate it.

http://tinyurl.com/kgrtfdc

5

First?

6 I figured the new TX abortion law would be struck down as judge shopping reached its zenith.  But I didn't figure it would be done under this ridiculous crap.

A federal judge on Monday blocked part of a recently signed Texas law that requires abortion doctors to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals.

What happens if something goes wrong during the procedure?  Why shouldn't the doctor be able to get the woman into the hospital?  TX says it will take it all the way up.

http://tinyurl.com/mcyulew

7 The body count for people losing health insurance is up to 1.5 million now and climbing.  I had typed up a ¾ page rant over the intentional writing of the regulation that would cause up to 10 million to lose their plan (according to interview on Fox) but I then saw that Ace had already covered it.


I don't think that Ace had all the info because this is really a MAJOR thing.  It's not just a case of Obama lying once again.  This is downright dictatorial fraud in which the regulation goes far beyond what was written in the law.

http://tinyurl.com/krym66z

8 Federal and State governments are not the only ones taxing the shit out of the hapless citizens.  Here they look at IL which has a lot of individual taxing bodies.

http://tinyurl.com/lwr6356

9 Morning..

10 The NFL is a non-profit tax exempt organization?  Yes, the league offices are.   But the teams who divide up the revenue from the various contracts are supposedly paying taxes on it.

http://tinyurl.com/jwq5vul

11 Return to the Middle Ages and Castle Doctrine.  Hollywood homes now being built with moats for security, or so this article says.  Looking at these pictures I think someone is FOS.  It would not take me more than a few seconds to get past these so-called "moats".  They are more like a wrap-around koi pond and mosquito breeding location.

http://tinyurl.com/ktldkaj

12 Hashnish PooPoo has advice for the GOP.....

it goes like this...

add some socialism, add in some political correctness, lose some reverence for the Constitution and you're fucking winning.....

you know Gabe I had a lot of advice for the Soviets in the 80s too bud.

13 Yet more evidence of our screwed up tort system begging for a fix.  Here we have a $85M wrongful death suit against Red Bull.  I checked this a while back and Red Bull and other typical caffeine laden "energy drinks" actually have less caffeine than coffee.  We need loser pays here, and we also need true reform of how juries are impaneled.

http://tinyurl.com/kzfpfv8

14 DAY 357 1,104 to go (1,175 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, McConnell's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

15 RINO signs on to House amnesty bill and says others will follow shortly.


http://tinyurl.com/pzfmecq

16 My congress critter and Trey Gowdy hit Semenlius on her outrageous lies regarding the disaster of a run-out of the Obamacare website.

“You have made a number of curious statements during your career in public life. Time and space do not allow for a full inventory,” the letter, signed by Reps. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), Mick Mulvaney (R-S.C.) and Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), begins.

“Most recently you are quoted as saying the abysmal Obamacare rollout — for which you had three years and more than $500,000,000 to prepare, test, and perfect — was the fault of House Republicans and the government shutdown,” the letter continues. “If memory serves, ObamaCare was signed into law in March of 2010, when Republicans controlled precisely no branch of government.”

We need to have this by ALL the Republicans instead of just three.

http://tinyurl.com/nw2e7d9

17 Gays are already now a new "protected specie".  Dirty Hairy the pederast wants to expand that and create new jobs for the lawyers.

http://tinyurl.com/nspma6z

18 Remember how the evil Bush created million of homeless?  Obama doesn't at all.

http://tinyurl.com/q5evdzp

19 What is the proximate cause of the healthcare site failure?  The smoking gun.

Toni McCall Townes-Whitley, the former Princeton classmate of Michelle Obama whose company won the no-bid contract to build the HealthCare.gov website, was a student radical whose efforts included bringing a famous black communist to campus.

This is pure crony corruption at its worse.  If a Republicans were in charge the outcry for jail would be huge.

http://tinyurl.com/qjvocum

And if you think that was a coincidental past relationship, think again.

http://tinyurl.com/kvdxdmy

20 NBC has been recalibrated by its masters in the WH on the exposure of their illegal manipulations of the Obamacare regulation to intentionally bounce tens of millions of people out of their plans and into the exchanges.  They have pulled/edited the story.  But it is still available at Fox.

http://tinyurl.com/opffc9x

21 "...The short version is: hey, dummies, you're nothing if you can't win elections." You mean like Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Romney? No. The GOP is nothing if they don't become CONSERVATIVE and purge the Democrat wing.

22 Ambassador Stevens murdered himself at Benghazi.  Liberals are simply insane.

http://tinyurl.com/ndsxjls

23 MFM jumps on Rubio for his disingenuous flip-flop on amnesty.

http://tinyurl.com/p8nm3kv

24 Recommendation for drug mules:  If you are carrying a ton and a half of marijuana don't be running red lights.

http://tinyurl.com/qdpln8g

25 Barnes and Nobel is closing a major store in Columbia, SC.  I am posting this not because it is earth shattering news, but because it struck me as a trend.  My wife and I used to buy a lot of books from BnN, either over the internet, or at their store over in the "city".  Since we got our Kindles we have not purchased a single book from them.  NOT.ONE

The Kindle (and its clones in the android world) have to be killing BnN.

http://tinyurl.com/p4nqu6z

26 Hey Hashnish Donkey wants the monkey to fuck the football all night...

I am not into Simian/Football erotica

Eric Cantor says "hey let's let the monkey fuck the football two hours"

That's not a quibble on tactics bud...

and the article is a bit old or the points redundant to the initial week aftermath of the shutdown....

so we're really gonna self-flagellate over something FreeShit Army has already forgotten eh?

27 The 11 breakaway counties in CO are placing a voter initiative on the Nov 5th ballot for the breakaway.  Let us suppose that the voters of CO approved this AND the CO legislature then also approved it AND the Gov signed it.  There's a lot of "ANDs" there.  It would then go to Congress.  There is no way in hell that the Senate would approve a bill that would create a sure fire Republican State with a new Republican Representative and 2 new Republican Senators.  It will not happen.

http://tinyurl.com/nbop43a

28 A new IRS scandal; the EIC credit.    You heard about all the hundreds of millions in fraud with this welfare program.  Well, the IRS is refusing to do anything about it, and refuses to even report the amounts to congress as required by law.  I am simply flabbergasted.

http://tinyurl.com/n8qbt2y

29 15 RINO signs on to House amnesty bill and says others will follow shortly. http://tinyurl.com/pzfmecq Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2013 06:57 AM (zZbNF) It's all good 'cuz we got back the Cuban combover!!!

30 Obama NLRB union crony accused of perjury in CA corruption case.

http://tinyurl.com/owkw2z4

31 King Obama finds $10B in his back pocket to allocate for Hurricane Sandy victims, as long as they can show how their rebuild will help the phony global warming scam.  Another violation of the Constitution.

http://tinyurl.com/pajarer

32 Kindle Daily Deals

http://tinyurl.com/oaqaydg




That's it for today folks.

33 "...The short version is: hey, dummies, you're nothing if you can't win elections." Win more elections so Mitch McConnell can get better graft.

34 The short version is: hey, dummies, you're nothing if you can't win elections.


Evidently they don't want to win elections because "Amnesty".

35 Winning isn't enough, Gabe. What you are willing and able to do with the power you have won is important, too. If you must become too much like a Democrat and a Statist in order to win, you do us no good and much harm anyway.

36 33 Bevel Lemelisk,

Hey now Bevel....Mooch McConnell was an innocent bystander....

a victim of Barry O'bama's political genius as it were....

37 33 "...The short version is: hey, dummies, you're nothing if you can't win elections." Win more elections so Mitch McConnell can get better graft. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 29, 2013 07:02 AM (uhAkr) And the GOP isn't winning many. Why? Because they are running against their own base. Sheesh. Purge it.

38 it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood

39 早安

40 This book might be interesting.  Someone trying to actually cut through all the new techno-babble to show how Anti-Access Warfare is really classic naval strategy.

http://www.usni.org/store/books/forthcoming/anti-access-warfare

Meanwhile the Navy Times still can't get a clear answer on why Capt. Ted Williams was summarily relieved of command last November.  What has been released in the redacted information does not show cause for his relief from commanding USS Mount Whitney.

http://tinyurl.com/kkvwklk

41 BLS: GovÂ’t Workers 'Absent' 50% More Than Private-Sector Workers
http://tinyurl.com/lh843zt

A government worker is 38 percent more likely to be absent from work for personal reasons or illnesses than a private-sector worker, and government workers miss 50 percent more of their usual work hours as a result of such absences than do private sector workers, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

42 21 J.J. Sefton at October 29, 2013 06:59 AM (uf1pv)

Now, now...

the McCain wing will win by attracting Moogan McQueeg and 10 million guys named Juan...

everyone is gonna hop on the Lukewarm train after WE are purged.

Conservatives are told "shut the fuck up and let us drive" even though Conservatives are the strongest plurality in the party....

You can drive Moderates, and I'll vote for the Democrat.

43 I saw a video of a bunny fucking a balloon. It did not end well for the balloon...

44 Vic- "I am simply flabbergasted." No you're not. Your flabber has not been gasted by this lawless administration or their enablers in a very long time.

45 Conservatives are told "shut the fuck up bend over and let us drive" even though Conservatives are the strongest plurality in the party....

FIFY

46 My family hasn't been to a bookstore in years. Amazon is our bookstore.

47 45 Sean Bannion at October 29, 2013 07:12 AM (JpC1K)

er...

uh

Yeah I guess...

well off to find out if I am going to Orth to get my hand broke.

48 Thank you Vic! It is really great and much appreciated that you gather the news for us daily. On a different blog, a commenter wondered if the reason Obama never seems aware of the events until he reads about them in the paper could be the result of him not being cleared by security because of his secretive past!

49 43 I saw a video of a bunny fucking a balloon. It did not end well for the balloon... It's a metaphor for so many things nowadays.

50 I went to a bookstore with a buddy from work the other day. There, I talked him into getting the Kindle app and a tablet.

51 Mayhap Rich Lowery and Ramesh Ponnuru can stuff their advice up their asses. "Conservatism just isn't that popular, so conservatives should abandon their principles and vote for more socialism." Fuck you, no.

52 49 43 I saw a video of a bunny fucking a balloon. It did not end well for the balloon... It's a metaphor for so many things nowadays. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 29, 2013 07:15 AM (uhAkr) The Chicken caught a break at last.

53

Morning, ‘rons and ‘ronettes.  Thanks for the morning briefing, Gabe and Vic.  ItÂ’s another dark, cold day here in Massachusetts, but I find myself oddly warmed by the wails of despairing O-bots around me.  So before I go off to get a nice hot cup of tea, how about a little story?

 

 

IÂ’ve told you before about Jack Warner and how he hated the thought of anybody on his lot wasting time and money.  Not knowing anything about writing, he expected to hear the sounds of typewriters clacking all day in his WritersÂ’ Department, and told directors dubious about scripts that even a bad movie still paid peoplesÂ’ salary.

 

 

One day Warner asked the composer Harry Warren (The Lullaby of Broadway, Chattanooga Choo Choo, ThatÂ’s Amore) how long it took to write a song.  “About three weeks,” Warren replied.  “Three weeks?” an astonished Warner yelled.  “Three weeks to write one lousy song?”

 

 

“No,” Warren answered.  “Three weeks to write one good  song.”

 

 

And hereÂ’s one of those good songs – Ginger Rogers singing The Gold DiggerÂ’s Song (WeÂ’re in the Money) from one of my favorite  movies,  Gold Diggers of 1933:

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJOjTNuuEVw

 

 

Hope you all have a wonderful day.

54 How many of these "sit down and shut up" articles have we seen from our Republican betters? And how many more are we going to have to endure? Malor thinks it's brilliant but it's the same old recycled crap we've been hearing for years from the likes of Lowery, Kristol, Ponnuru, Goldberg, etc., etc..

55 Ponnuru/Lowry: The Left has won the war; here's how to make the most of our surrender terms

56 The Bible in song-Pslam 46-God is our refuge and strength-a very present help in times of trouble: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp92BRoSbtU

57 48 Posted by: Chilling The Most at October 29, 2013 07:14 AM (gxtMZ)


This constant refrain of the Choom King not knowing what is going on has only two possible answers:

1.  He is lying


2.  Vajayjay, the unelected Chicago slum Queen is running the show and he is a beard.

58 Diane Feinstein offended by spying on US citizens by Obama not very much, until she can blame spying on 'allies' by Bush, then she is very offended. “Unlike NSA’s collection of phone records under a court order, it is clear to me that certain surveillance activities have been in effect for more than a decade and that the Senate Intelligence Committee was not satisfactorily informed." She added: “With respect to NSA collection of intelligence on leaders of US allies – including France, Spain, Mexico and Germany – let me state unequivocally: I am totally opposed.” If these peoples lies were any more transparent you could blow smoke through them.

59 "Bend over honey and I'll drive you to the party." It used to be a joke of mine but apparently the Party has planned a Mexican fiesta.

60 B&N - why is the Kindle killing then when they have the Nook? Is it just inertia with Amazon? I have the first gen Nook and love it. I try to buy there when I can because I can't stand the thought if no bookstore to browse. The physical store to me is more than just a pile of inventory and the browsing experience can't be duplicated on line. Not that I want subsidies or federal intervention - they have to figure out how to stay viable on their own. I also have a Kindle DX that was a hand me down gift and it is a fine device but not superior to the Nook. They are pretty much equal. Note I'm talking about ereaders, I'm indifferent to the tablets as they are substandard readers IMHO. Just curious as to why the Kindle is ascendant. First to market?

61 I'd love to hear VJ talk honestly about Obama for ten minutes if she thought she couldnt be heard by anyone but her closest confidants. Could be epic.

62 53  That is a list of some outstanding tunes from long ago.  Other than the Dean Martin hit, I think all of them came from Broadway.  The question is, why can't we get good music from Broadway composers anymore.


When was the last time there was a mega-hit from Broadway that the radio was blaring?  The Sound of Music I Could Have Danced All Night?  IOW 50 years ago.

63 Pelosi made a rational statement once and it hurt her head so much she never did it again. What a fucking embarrassment.

64 Last time I was in a bookstore it was having a closing down sale. Bought a $150.00 science book for grandson for $15.00. Helluva book. Thousands of pictures. Beautiful printing. *shrugs* What are you going to do when people have to insure another citizen or three they don't know with what little disposable income they have? Expect them to buy hard copies of books?

65
Against Despair - The bad ideas behind the shutdown
By Ramesh Ponnuru and Rich Lowry


Executive Summary

Conservatives sux. Republicans rulez!

66 #3 - I could swear the article said Graham promised to stand up against Obamunists over Benghazi. Must still be asleep. Or Vic fell for a parody site? 12!@#:ň]'łBuenos Dias Amigos! Where's the inverted ! on this cell??!?

67 ah the wonders of military medicene...

so I get in the truck to go to the Hospital

ring...ring

uh we need to reschedule...(appt was in 20 minutes)

the consultation inquiry has been rescheduled twice....

buckle up America you're gonna love govt medical

68

The question is, why can't we get good music from Broadway composers anymore.

 

Mark Steyn's the man to answer that far better than I ever could (his book Broadway Babies Say Goodnight is well worth reading), but my short answer is Sondheim and rock music.

69 είμαστε πατήσαμε

70 60  Just curious as to why the Kindle is ascendant. First to market?

Posted by: Todd Wiley at October 29, 2013 07:20 AM (lrkg9)

I gave up my Kindle for a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2.  So I don't think it is a case of the one being better.

But also it may be that if we had a B&N closer than 40 miles I would go and peruse the shelves if for nothing else but to get some ideas.

And on a separate note on that score I have noticed lately that after a number of hours reading on that Samsung my eyes have a difficult time focusing.  I am struggling with seeing this site now and have the screen greatly blown up. 

IOW, it is giving me eye strain.

71 mamamamama; Pixy ate my double returns; make it give them back!

72 I liked this little message, "A better way to live" based on Psalm 46. I have no idea about the rest of this guys theology but this one was spot on. I am not a believer in the Rapture although I don't disparage those who do: http://tinyurl.com/mh289cu

73 To win elections and not accomplish anything close to the party's platform is useless. The order: Develop platform Believe in platform Run on platform Win elections Change US government. If you simply win elections with no compass you are useless. This has been proven by the past GOP electoral wins. Do you remember when the GOP had the House, Senate, and Presidency? How did that work out for us?

74
Moats: L.A.'s Newest Extreme Real Estate Trend

Hollywood Reporter
http://tinyurl.com/ktldkaj



And if you lived here, you'd understand why.

75

Government "workers" absent 50% more than private sector workers.

 

Why does this not surprise me?  We should shit-bag government and let zombie Sam Walton rule the country.

76 IOW, it is giving me eye strain.

 

Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2013 07:29 AM (zZbNF)

 

Didn't  Ben Franklin tell  you to  update your prescription, Vic?

77 My agent told me even though I'm 62 with a vasectomy I'll need pregnancy, and pre-natal dentistry insurance.

78 73 Mekan at October 29, 2013 07:32 AM (hm8tW)

Hey now no way...I far prefer the K Street...

"uh whatever dude I am uh gonna ask Wolf Blitzer and Candy Crowley what is acceptable and we'll go to Martha's cocktail party and vet it with the donks..."

platform we've been using these last 12 years.

79 As for the B(ampersand)N stores closing, they've been steadily closing stores for a few years. All the hipster coffee shops ain't going to save them.

80 74 And if you lived here, you'd understand why.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 29, 2013 07:33 AM (kdS6q)

See #11 for explanation.

81
Just curious as to why the Kindle is ascendant. First to market?

That, and they didn't go nuts adding bloatware features that people didn't want. It works as a great e-reader, battery lasts for a couple of weeks without recharge, is small, cheap, and the text is crisp, clear, and like reading text printed on a piece of paper.

82 76 MP4


Yeah but his bi-focals aren't enough. I need some of those things that have focusing rings on them.

83 Maybe conservatives would be more successful in elections if they could actually explain how conservative principles and policies would benefit the daily lives of their voters rather than just simply spouting them.

84 80 Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 29, 2013 07:35 AM (MnSla)

add in the barely concealed distaste at ~35% of the client base their clerks show and....

I was buying a copy of "Wealth of Nations" the other day and the clerk sniffed that the book should be banned since "capitalism is killing the planet..."

yeah toots it is and if I weren't giving this away I'd show you how evil capitalism is.

85

Kate Jackson (65 today)

 

My favorite Angel.

86
See #11 for explanation.
Posted by: Vic



Damn. Scanned before posting, but missed it.  I have shamed the Kobra Kai dojo.

87 Gawker is an online cesspool, without the redeeming value and utility of a real cesspool.

88 So our betters think yet again that winning is the only solution to the problem the Republican party has. Amazing that they can be so wrong over and over again. As for conservatism being unpopular...bullshit. Conservative principles and policies are popular to a wide swath of American people as long as you don't use the word "Republican.". Funny that, eh?

89 84 SFGoth at October 29, 2013 07:37 AM (m9d+o)

Maybe Liberalism would die on the vine if our kids weren't sent to the happiness Gulag 7 hours a day 280 days a year...

90 84 Nah. That's just crazy talk.

91 91 Jenny Hates Her Phone at October 29, 2013 07:39 AM (GmTxn)

It all gets back to the Media, "Science", Education triangle with a garnish of Partisan civil service...

92 85 I was buying a copy of "Wealth of Nations" the other day and the clerk sniffed that the book should be banned since "capitalism is killing the planet..."

Posted by: sven10077 at October 29, 2013 07:37 AM (9jfyN)


A clerk at BnN actually told you that???  Were there any other employees within hearing distance?


If I ran that store and a clerk told a customer that they would be out the door before the customer.

93 Good Morning, Vic, I did not know that about Sir Walter Raleigh. Thanks for that. About your eyes, IÂ’m going to have to breakdown and get bifocals. Ophthalmologist told me four years ago I needed them but made me walk around with the no line type and said some people just never get used to them. I want to be able to drive safely. IÂ’ll buy them next year when I can take $ out of our Flexible Spending Account. I put the max in this year but used it up on two pairs of new glasses & one pair of sunglasses, prescriptions, etc. I am only going to get them to read.

94

@86  Kate Jackson 65 today.

My favorite angel.-MPPPP

 

mine too

95 66 Change your language to ¡español! Or just use an i. And good morning, horde.

96 87 Damn. Scanned before posting, but missed it. I have shamed the Kobra Kai dojo.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 29, 2013 07:38 AM (kdS6q)

Missing not the issue, the explanation is that these things are nothing more than expensive Koi ponds and the latest fad.

97 How about this:  taxpayer-payer health care in exchange for not only no immigration "reform" but a true southern border barrier?  (Oh, and fat people have to exercise and eat healthy food.)

98

Holy Crap!!!!

I have yahoo news as my home page and most days when I open my browser the pics and blurbs at the top are drivel about celebutards and their clothes, spawn, dates, baby mama/daddy, whatever.  This a.m. however the first thing to assault my eyes was Oblabo knowing that millions would lose their insurance.  WTF???  Yahoo telling the truth? On the front page?  Is it too early to start drinking? Should I find a vintage 1970's  math book to cover my head? Or does this require my 4th grade school desk?

99 77 Posted by: Gran at October 29, 2013 07:34 AM (mw0FO) As Don Simpson once famously said "In Hollywood, it's not how you play the game; it's how you place the blame." So true, and not only in Hollywood.

100 93 Vic at October 29, 2013 07:41 AM (zZbNF)

No it was at the cash wrap and they were running the store with three people including el Hippie Coffee Bar....

whichever....

I ever hit the powerball I'm gonna run a bookstore called "hold the bullshit"

101 sven

That's a damn good point. The staff sucked. Had more I wanted to say but I ain't had me coffee yet and it would have been an incoherent rambling rant.
 I miss B. Daltons and WaldenBooks though.

102 94 Posted by: CarolT at October 29, 2013 07:41 AM (z4WKX)


I already have bi-locals but after a stent with that reader my eyes simply will not focus.

103
Surprise, you're racist again:

Pottery Barn has apologized for selling a Halloween costume of a sushi chef and a kimono that an Asian American civil rights group had complained were culturally offensive. The retailer confirmed late Monday that the items had been removed from its website.

"Our problem is not with the attire itself; it is with the fact that Pottery Barn is marketing these outfits as costumes," wrote Ling Woo Liu, director of strategic communications for Asian Americans Advancing Justice. "Like other minorities, Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders are real people who cannot and should not be commodified as Halloween costumes," Liu said.

LATimes

104 73 Do you remember when the GOP had the House, Senate, and Presidency? How did that work out for us? Posted by: Mekan at October 29, 2013 07:32 AM (hm8tW) 2001-2006 Dubya and the GOP grew the government and spent more than any other administration. Until...

105

National Review is the mouthpiece of the republican establishment, but they do know a fight is coming on immigration.

 

AoSHQ, being a hotbed of true conservatives, a haven for those with uncompromised principles and a beacon for others who seek the pure light of truth, justice and the American Way, should be able to come up with cogent position on the issue.

 

This would be more than "No Amnesty" or "Follow Existing Law".

 

People need to know what the real conservative position is on immigration.  What extent would we go to to seal the borders?  What would we do with the 12 million illegals already here?  What changes in existing laws or policies are needed to bring a more conservative bent to immigration? 

 

We need to be able to talk to LIVs and say that what Chuck Schumer wants is bad and what we want is good because of X, Y, and Z.

 

It would help if our plan is something that the average person on the street would recognize as reasonable and possible.  It should appeal to people's sense of fairness, which would include preventing illegals from signing up for welfare benefits the day after jumping the fence.

 

The right needs to be able  to point to something we want to accomplish.  Plans are not just for crazy communists.  The public likes to follow leaders who seem to know where they are going.

106 98 SFGoth at October 29, 2013 07:42 AM (m9d+o)

Uh Goth Socialized Medical undermines the bill of rights, any notion of natural rights, and pretty much is the ultimate camel's nose in the tent to allowing unelected mandarins total control of leisure....

other than that uh....

I mean assume for the sake of argument you can "bargain" adherence to having a southern border from DONKEY they already got their cookie and can now control the hell out of you anyway.

"Winning!" ?

Socialized Medical sucks...it is so great the rest of the Anglosphere is running from it towards market driven solutions and then we have America trying to unscramble eggs with a chainsaw.

107 105 73 Do you remember when the GOP had the House, Senate, and Presidency? How did that work out for us?
Posted by: Mekan at October 29, 2013 07:32 AM (hm8tW)

2001-2006

Dubya and the GOP grew the government and spent more than any other administration. Until...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

That is exactly why the Republican party has no credibility with anyone.

108 In NY or across the nation $80million being spent to counter rioting instead of replenishing the horn of plenty? "DHS is spending $80 million on a wrath of armed guards to protect the IRS and other government buildings in New York from rioting food stamp recipients." Obama wants riots Nov.1 so he can expect all hell breaks lose day to "revamp" All Saints Day. http://tinyurl.com/lkgftdz Rage over a lost penny. http://tinyurl.com/kr8l5f4

109

(Oh, and fat people have to exercise and eat healthy food)

 

Why?  Two fingers down the throat is a lot easier.

110 I was buying a copy of "Wealth of Nations" the other day and the clerk sniffed that the book should be banned since "capitalism is killing the planet..."

yeah toots it is and if I weren't giving this away I'd show you how evil capitalism is.

 

 

Posted by: sven10077 at October 29, 2013 07:37 AM

 

 

You: "Seriously? This is really a banworthy book that involves planet killing? If I buy another, will it speed up the process?"

111 "another dark, cold day here in Massachusetts...." We apparently got a blast from the South, because it's actually shirtsleeves warm in NE Land of the Red Man this morning. And wet. Like a late Spring day. After some chilly mornings, I'll take it! Here in the middle of the continent, when the wind blows out of the South, it can feel like Louisiana. When our weather comes out of the North, hardened Montana visitors have been known to freak out over the biting cold winds. (Srsly) From the West, thunderstorms and tornadoes. Always impressive. Out of the East? Taxes, socialists, tyrants, and thieves. Glad the earth's rotation keeps that to a minimum.

112 106 jwest at October 29, 2013 07:47 AM (u2a4R)

Ogabe said he knew where he was going... then he just read about it in this morning's paper there champ.

What part of "if any immigration shit gets to the Senate from the House conference will gift us AMIGO GRANDE! do you not get?

We have about 1/4th our Senate Caucus who thinks Chuck Schumer is just ducky as the "moderate voice of reason."

The Supine Butt Thrust ain't much of a plan, but it is I guess a plan.

113 Later folks.     

114 106 Posted by: jwest at October 29, 2013 07:47 AM (u2a4R) Speaking for me, I would say that you cannot have a sovereign and secure nation without the rule of law and secure borders. Without those, we are finished as a nation and as a society. Next question?

115

I've never had a bookstore clerk sniff at my purchases, but I remember, during the dog-eating crackhead's first inauguration, going to the post office to mail a package.  When I got to the front of the line, the clerk said, "Wait a second," as she looked at something just out of my view.  Then she turned back to me with a huge grin and said, "Dick Cheney's not vice-president any more."

 

I debated with myself for a moment, then took my package back.  "I'm going to miss him," I said.  "And since I can use FedEx, I won't interrupt your gloating with my business."  And I walked out.  Haven't used that particular branch again.

116 The Granny Slayer barfs up more barf.

117 Posted by: sven10077 at October 29, 2013 07:48 AM (9jfyN) I read 'Goth Socialized Medicine' and stopped there. There's a novel in there somewhere.

118 111 otho at October 29, 2013 07:50 AM (9gNQd)

Oh I had an answer.

Yeah I mean providing you a job, this building, the publishing house to print this book...it's killing the planet.

I think I then threw in a line saying that personal freedom and economic liberty are intertwined, but she was not cute enough to bother with beyond that and wife and boy were almost done with their meal over at the happy burger barn.

119
U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin on Monday removed a Facebook post that erroneously claimed a GOP leader had told the president, "I can't even stand to look at you," saying he's satisfied that people now know he's not to blame for the mistake. Though the White House quickly said the information was wrong, Durbin had declined to remove the post until Monday.

"They gave me a bad quote and then they said it didn't occur," Durbin said Monday, speaking to reporters after he and U.S. Sen. John McCain spoke to a civic group about immigration reform in Chicago. "Now it's history, it's behind us."

AP



Settled law.

Also, "Durbin and McCain sittin' in a tree...."

120 Yeah, and that clerk was demonstrating her ignorance concerning The Wealth Of Nations and the term capitalism.


Sven, you should have asked her is she knew that the term "capitalism" wasn't invented for about another 100 years after that book was written.  That term was invented by Karl Marx.  

121

Posted by: jwest at October 29, 2013 07:47 AM (u2a4R)

 

Pro tip:  snark is coin of the realm here at the HQ, but it's not particularly effective when you want to engage in honest dialogue.

122 108 That is exactly why the Republican party has no credibility with anyone. Posted by: SFGoth at October 29, 2013 07:48 AM (m9d+o) That's why I keep saying that they are no longer an opposition party. They are now officially a wing of the Democrat/Socialist/Statist party. Anyone care to argue that?

123 118 Todd Wiley at October 29, 2013 07:54 AM (1QPW9)

Goth Doctor: "AMPUTATE!"

Goth Patient: Uh Doc it's a uh splinter

Goth Doctor: Great take the other arm too.

124 it goes like this...

add some socialism, add in some political correctness, lose some reverence for the Constitution and you're fucking winning.....

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Isn't this exactly what the GOP has been doing?  Let's say the effects have been....unproductive. 

125 The right needs to be able to point to something we want to accomplish. Plans are not just for crazy communists. The public likes to follow leaders who seem to know where they are going.

Posted by: jwest at October 29, 2013 07:47 AM (u2a4R)

 

This exchange is getting tired, quiet honestly.  You ask, 'what is our plan?' on a given issue, eight or nine different people respond, and you ignore them and move into the next thread declaring that people have no plan.

 

Are we still reeling from not supporting Toomey and the 'sensible' assault weapons ban, by the way?

126

Morning, folks.

 

I'm officially done with Windows.  I was doing some things on the computer last night and Windows 7 randomly set one of my thumb drives to "read only."  A normal, everyday USB flash drive with no toggle switch is somehow set to read only and now I can't do anything with it.

 

I've been all over the OS - playing with regedit, diskpart, and a bunch of other things.  No joy.  I'm switching 100% to Mac.

127 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 29, 2013 07:53 AM (zF6Iw) I entirely missed first Obama's inauguration. I went on retreat for the day preceding it and it and didn't come back till the day after. The retreat center had no TV. It was wonderful.

128 είμαστε πατήσαμε heh.

129 108 That is exactly why the Republican party has no credibility with anyone. Posted by: SFGoth at October 29, 2013 07:48 AM (m9d+o) That's why I keep saying that they are no longer an opposition party. They are now officially a wing of the Democrat/Socialist/Statist party. Anyone care to argue that? Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 29, 2013 07:54 AM (uf1pv) Yup, the GOP is a substitution party, not an opposition party.

130 125 Lady in Black at October 29, 2013 07:55 AM (XB5Ak)

That's precisely what we've been doing.

In the last post the thread had someone explain that economically left and socially right are uh sorta Fascist...

that is far from the worst explanation.

Economically right and socially left is sorta not ever been dominant anywhere.  Why?  It's called a doormat.

131 I already have bi-locals but after a stent with that reader my eyes simply will not focus. Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2013 07:44 AM (zZbNF) Vic, I was saying that I need to get bifocals. Can you download to the computer? I canÂ’t hold books, if I want to read I have to read on kitchen table. I buy them the cheapest either iBooks or Nook Books and read on my iPad. Last week they updated the IOS system for Mac to include iBooks. I can read them on my computer now if it is an iBook, thatÂ’s new.

132

Are we still reeling from not supporting Toomey and the 'sensible' assault weapons ban, by the way?

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LOL. IIRC jwest told us that was the ban that the NRA was secretly supporting behind the scenes.

133

Speaking for me, I would say that you cannot have a sovereign and secure nation without the rule of law and secure borders.-J.J. Sefton

 

Yeah.  What other country just lets people walk on in?  Even Mexico has armed border security.  Our country is f*cked-up because our government is F*CKED-UP.

134 I was buying a copy of "Wealth of Nations" the other day and the clerk sniffed that the book should be banned since "capitalism is killing the planet..."

--

As the clerk worked in a shop that was in business because of capitalism.  And where said business was able to give a paycheck to he/she because of capitalism.  These progressives.  They're not the sharpest knives in the drawer. 

135 I've been all over the OS - playing with regedit, diskpart, and a bunch of other things. No joy. I'm switching 100% to Mac. Posted by: @JohnTant at October 29, 2013 07:56 AM (PFy0L) I did that five years ago. PC at work (let the company pay for and maintain the pieces of shit). Mac at home. My iMac has not given me one problem in five years. You set it up by taking it out of the box and plugging it in. That's it.

136 Hey, FenelonSpoke... Weren't you in the ONT the other night when commenter "Joe" told us about a creepy wrong number call he got? He was soliciting opinions on if he should report it or not. The consensus was for him to call the authorities. I've been off the grid since the next day, and was wondering if we ever heard back from him.

137 132 Posted by: CarolT at October 29, 2013 07:59 AM (z4WKX)


I am thinking I may have to go back to the Kindle with the E-Ink.  I didn't get eye strain with it. I love the Samsung though because it has its own light so I didn't have to keep a lamp on.

138 Obama NLRB union crony accused of perjury in CA corruption case. http://tinyurl.com/owkw2z4 Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2013 07:01 AM (zZbNF) I'd be more surprised if an Obama crony was accused of telling the truth.

139 Yay!  A thread with jwest and sfgoth telling us  how to fix  what's wrong with the Republican Party!!

It must be our lucky day. 

140 You can download the Kindle app for Mac or PC for free. You do not have to buy the Kindle device.

141

So far, the consensus is that we follow existing law on immigration.

 

This means that we conservatives want Elian Gonzales style midnight raids, kicking the doors in and deporting everyone who isn't a citizen.

 

Good plan.

 

Winning.

142

The GOP has run a RINO in every election since Reagan. The leadership are RINOs, and they trash the few non-RINOs, and they behave like Demonrat lite.

 

As Reagan said; "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The party left me."

 

Maybe I'm the real RINO, not them.

143 Yes, Joe reported the call to the FBI but I haven't heard anything else since but I wasn't on here Sunday or yesterday except to post a hymn.

144 123 108 That is exactly why the Republican party has no credibility with anyone.
Posted by: SFGoth at October 29, 2013 07:48 AM (m9d+o)

That's why I keep saying that they are no longer an opposition party. They are now officially a wing of the Democrat/Socialist/Statist party.

Anyone care to argue that? Posted by: J.J. Sefton

The problem is, the candidates that might be reliable on small-c conservative issues (the economy, immigration, etc.) are also often reliable on big-S Stupid stuff like the vajayjay shuts down during rape, etc. 

145 142 jwest at October 29, 2013 08:03 AM (u2a4R)

I must have missed where Beijing Billy ignoring US Law on Cubans was a GOP operation Omae....

care to explain your 'tard fu...

is that the walk in a circle stance, or the Granny Throw Sensei?

146 73, 105 The insider establishment crony Republicans suffocated the incoming fiscal conservative freshmen Republicans from making any impact during Newt's Contract wool over the eyes of America. Just like the insiders would repeat as they are trying today, to mute the Cruz and Lee fiscal and CONSTITUTIONAL conservative elements via "wacko bird". That epitaph infers any failure to bow to the onslaught of federal authoritarianism makes an American fair target for execution without jury trial, execution without cause beyond "Because I Could" abuse executive "privilege". Execution following trial by press, the full venom delivered by the compliant media to not simply ostracize, but blame the victim and any who dare counter the fabricated rationale "excusing" or making "necessary" the Patriot Act, DHS and all the other mutants running government as their own monopoly. The Iowa Republican recent occasion for speeches by Grassley and Cruz, who else noticed the master of ceremony Mr. Krishna introducing Sen.Grassley as the "good" politician they would re-elect for (mortal) eternity? Tit, meet tat.

147 The Granny Slayer is getting desperate and shrill.

148 Mac at home. My iMac has not given me one problem in five years. You set it up by taking it out of the box and plugging it in. That's it. Posted by: mean at October 29, 2013 08:00 AM (AO9UG) I bought Mac early last year & it was the easiest computer I have ever had to set up. ItÂ’s not just us, I bought a Windows 8 computer, the cheapest one I could get, to work from home with. It is POS & I hate it and it was bitch to set up. My Windows7 laptop was crashing. ItÂ’s easier to get into a Windows computer with program I use. Windows has one thing, F2 for edit that I use when working from home. ItÂ’s got a much bigger screen than this laptop. Other than that I would never buy a Windows computer again.

149 143 ExSnipe at October 29, 2013 08:03 AM (57ubW)

a BUNCH of us are pondering precisely that point Snipe...

midway through life's journey I went astray

150 Moats, mosquitoes, and West Nile. 

Ooops?  Should have hired a real engineer to make sure the moat does not go stagnant.  Or use DDT.  Existential crisis in 3, 2 ...

151 140 Yay! A thread with jwest and sfgoth telling us how to fix what's wrong with the Republican Party!!

It must be our lucky day.
Posted by: BurtTC

Since I'm not telling you how to fix the Republican party, it's not.

152 Who is the "Granny Slayer"?

153 Since I'm not telling you how to fix the Republican party, it's not. Posted by: SFGoth at October 29, 2013 08:07 AM (m9d+o) Read post 145.

154 145 -

"are also often reliable on big-S Stupid stuff like the vajayjay shuts down during rape, etc."

 

Posted by: SFGoth at October 29, 2013 08:05 AM (m9d+o)

You mean Todd Akin.  Exactly one guy.  I don't think you  understand what the word "often" means, you damned fool. 

155 I just saw the trailer for Mr. Peabody and Sherman over at Lileks'.  Looks cute, but, like him, I am sick to death of the "snotty, yet fearless girl who who's better than all the men" character.  Enough!

156 Since when do lies need to be plausible?  They just need to be repeated.

157 For EC - http://www.bijin-snap.com/2013/10/27/no-1071/page/11/

158 153 FenelonSpoke at October 29, 2013 08:08 AM (23Kgq)

J "throw Gram under the Bus" West

159 MPPPP, bring back Pipi Longstocking!

160 Who is the "Granny Slayer"? Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 29, 2013 08:08 AM (23Kgq) jwest is the Granny Slayer. He wants to "help" Granny with Socialized Medicine and then snuff her out when her care becomes too expensive for the State. He is a fucking stone-cold Granny Slayer.

161 154 Since I'm not telling you how to fix the Republican party, it's not.
Posted by: SFGoth at October 29, 2013 08:07 AM (m9d+o)

Read post 145.

Posted by: eman

I did (I also posted it) -- what in there is a plan?

162

"I must have missed where Beijing Billy ignoring US Law on Cubans was a GOP operation Omae...."

 

If only we had a minimum ability test on reading comprehension here at AoSHQ, things would move much more smoothly.

 

My comment referenced Elian Gonzales STYLE raids. 

 

Someone who had a fourth grade level of comprehension would paint a word picture of heavily armed, flak jacketed police battering down a door and ripping a child out of the arms of their family.

 

Try to keep up.

163 What do you think of me now, Hobbits?

164

jwest is very good at tossing around logical fallacies and pretending it's wisdom.

 

There's such a thing as "self-deportation."  Illegals come here because there is little to no consequence for them coming here.  They can find work  and basically live much better under the radar in the US than as honest citizens in their own country.

 

Take all that away...enforce existing laws against hiring illegals and, almost like magic, that whole free market thing Establishment Republicans claim to honor will do wonders in clearing out the detritus.  I've seen it work firsthand - my little town used to have an illegal alien hiring center...basically a common rec-center-style building where illegals would come to hang out and look for jobs.  It was tjhe "compassionate" response to the problem of illegals hanging out in a local park (and the arguments for building this center were the same as jwest is pushing, namely that we aren't going to get rid of illegals so we should accomodate them, etc etc).  After it was built, the town administration was voted out and the new guard a) closed the center and b) enforced existing laws against loitering, vagrancy, etc.  Police hung around some of the known areas to dissuade people from hiring the illegals.

 

Within a few months most of the illegals had left.

 

It's not naive or ridiculous to apply these lessons to the national stage.  What's dumb though is pretending the argument doesn't have merit while trolling an internet comments thread.

165 I waited and hoped for the news to get out that millions were going to lose their insurance ever since I got my cancellation letter. Now that the story's finally out there, I need this next bit of happy new to break through....

My carrier (local Blue Cross) advises me that I have to purchase a plan by 11/20/13 to avoid a break in coverage by 1/1/14.

The problem is that in order to see the full range of plan options on their site, I have to click through to the Obamacare site and:

1. ) it doesn't work and
2. ) I'd rather just publish my personal information on Twitter because the identity theft would be quicker and probably more painless. 

So now what do us "responsible" citizens that had coverage before do?

166 So far, the consensus is that we follow existing law on immigration.

This means that we conservatives want Elian Gonzales style midnight raids, kicking the doors in and deporting everyone who isn't a citizen.

Good plan.

Winning.

 

Posted by: jwest at October 29, 2013 08:03 AM (u2a4R)

 

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.  Why don't you go fuck the chicken for a while and give those strawmen a rest?

167 Sierra Nevada Corporation has released edited video of Dream Chaser's first drop test on Saturday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgdFotAkUEU This particular test flight was unmanned, and the flight software flew a perfect approach. Unfortunately the left main gear failed to deploy, and the landing was a little rough. (Think Six Million Dollar Man.) What a beautiful spacecraft. SNC believes that it is repairable. Incidentally, the M2-F2 lifting body involved in the 1967 crash used in SMDM's opening credits was repaired and flew again, and the pilot survived. Dream Chaser is derived from that design.

168 Change your language to ¡español! - shredded chi All those characters I tried were with Español engaged. Or just use an i. - shredded chi My tech-picky O-C perfectionism is repulsed by the very notion. My pragmatic side says, thanks.

169 Conservatives just need to by pass washington entirely. The states need to call a convention and start passing amendments to the constitution. That will cut lobbyists, the GOP consultant industrial complex and the GOP donor class out of the process. Hell just repealing the 17th amendment would devastate the lobbying industry.

170 So there's an article linked in my Sig that explains everything that's wrong with modern parenting. Seriously read it all, especially the revelation at the end. Never have I wanted to slap someone more.

171 155 145 -

"are also often reliable on big-S Stupid stuff like the vajayjay shuts down during rape, etc."

Posted by: SFGoth at October 29, 2013 08:05 AM (m9d+o)


You mean Todd Akin. Exactly one guy. I don't think you understand what the word "often" means, you damned fool.
Posted by: BurtTC

Maybe you're familiar with the word "like" meaning "for example", or maybe you're not.

Being snarky is easy; why don't you post something worthwhile for a moment and tell us how you can fix the Republican party because no one else (except you) can, since you're not a damned fool.

172 JohnTant I thought there was a patch for that specific issue

173

The GOP has run a RINO in every election since Reagan. The leadership are RINOs, and they trash the few non-RINOs, and they behave like Demonrat lite.

 

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I'm a Reagan fan, but the biggest mistake he made was selecting HW Bush to be VP.  Sure, I see the political thing that it supposedly united the party, but by putting jwest-style Republicans in the upper echelons, it created repurcussions that we're still feeling today.

174 163 jwest at October 29, 2013 08:11 AM (u2a4R)

Yeah and speaking of "reading comprehension" how's about a fucking minimum grasp of history there Sensei?

The GOP is not for the most part in favor of law enforcement acting like GI Joe that would be on your buddies the Democrats.

Penalize the fuck out of economic activity by undocumented aliens and let them vote with el feet.

We don't even try to pretend the United States is allowed to have even the English level of immigration policy which is far too generous to 10 million guys named Achmed.

Go stalk some grandparents.

175 I did (I also posted it) -- what in there is a plan? Posted by: SFGoth at October 29, 2013 08:11 AM (m9d+o) Help does not require a plan.

176
MPPPP, bring back Pipi Longstocking!
Posted by: Anna Puma




FYI - Tami "Pipi Longstocking" Erin has a new sex tape out.

177 162 -

I really don't think you have any idea why you come here. 

It's certainly not because you agree with what gets said, so if not to correct the  errors in thinking of those with whom  you disagree... what? 

Why are you here?

178 Unfortunately the left main gear failed to deploy, and the landing was a little rough. (Think Six Million Dollar Man.)

It wasn't the designed gear, it was a placeholder from an old fighter shoehorned in there for budget or schedule constraints.  Cause of crash:   MS Project Gantt Chart

179 176 I did (I also posted it) -- what in there is a plan?
Posted by: SFGoth at October 29, 2013 08:11 AM (m9d+o)

Help does not require a plan.

Posted by: eman

No, but cryptic phrases do.

180 I debated with myself for a moment, then took my package back. "I'm going to miss him," I said. "And since I can use FedEx, I won't interrupt your gloating with my business." And I walked out. Haven't used that particular branch again. Posted by: Mary PoppinsÂ’ Practically Perfect Piercing at October 29, 2013 07:53 AM (zF6Iw) Good for you!

181

Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 08:14 AM (CMlD4)

 

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If there is I haven't seen it.  But I'm not  thrilled with  an OS that requires a patch to keep from randomly setting USB drives to read only and then preventing you from changing it back. 

182 No, but cryptic phrases do. Posted by: SFGoth at October 29, 2013 08:17 AM (m9d+o) Okay, I'll explain your own post to you. You offered the GOP some free advice. Don't run folks like Todd Akin.

183 145 The problem is, the candidates that might be reliable on small-c conservative issues (the economy, immigration, etc.) are also often reliable on big-S Stupid stuff like the vajayjay shuts down during rape, etc. Posted by: SFGoth at October 29, 2013 08:05 AM (m9d+o) Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Steve King, Ken Cuccinelli and Steven Lonegan are certainly NOT Todd Akin. And the GOP didn't give any of them a penny of support. It's not about the bad candidates; it's about the candidates that do not tow the statist line. And I might add that the establishment GOP lost a hell of a lot or races where their candidates ran.

184 So Durbin, that piece of shit, gets to "move on" without criticism from the press. In an earlier age the papers would have killed him for an unjustified personal attack on another political leader. Heck, in an earlier age he would have been expected to physically defend himself from a justified retribution.

185 172 -

I'll explain this once, because I have been consistent about it for years here on this site.  People like you aren't very clear, so you may not understand this.

It's simple.  Have principles.  Live by them.

That's my plan.  What's yours? 

186

OK, we're making progress.

 

John Tant and Sven seem to agree that some sort of self deportation would be part of the plan, tied to restrictions on where they could work.

 

MPPP is still totally clueless and useless.

 

Hey, it's a start.

187 Underlying truth of the current debacle, silliness, denial moment: You can't make something be worth other than what people will pay for it. And no NBC--millions of people do not get heaved from their current plan every year. Abject incurious stupidity.

188 What do you think of me now, Hobbits? Posted by: John Roberts at October 29, 2013 08:11 AM (IqMNQ) Did SCOAMF bribe you because you adopted your children illegally from Ireland via South America? Was it worth it Judge?

189 Lauren, that mother ...    I quit reading after she tried to redirect her daughter a second time.  Those kids will be so unprepared for the world.  Either they will be neurotics or rampant bullies.  And all a menace.

190 Repealing the 17th will just expand the lobbying effort by 50X, not curtail it.  If you want to curtail lobbying you either reduce the scope and power of government and it will shrink accordingly; or you get rid of the 1st amendment.  Lobbying is an exercise of free (but expensive) speech, it is a feature or Democracy - not a bug.

191 174 I'm a Reagan fan, but the biggest mistake he made was selecting HW Bush to be VP. Sure, I see the political thing that it supposedly united the party, but by putting jwest-style Republicans in the upper echelons, it created repurcussions that we're still feeling today. Posted by: @JohnTant at October 29, 2013 08:14 AM (PFy0L) Reagan chose Bush to unit the party, despite the fact that the Bushes tried destroying Reagan in '76 and '80 during the primaries. They put the kibosh on everything Reagan accomplished and it led us to Clinton and all that came after. If Reagan had chosen a Jack Kemp or Paul Laxxalt, one wonders where we would be today.

192 MPPP is neither clueless nor useless and you're not a granny slayer.

193 My agent told me even though I'm 62 with a vasectomy I'll need pregnancy, and pre-natal dentistry insurance. Posted by: redenzo at October 29, 2013 07:34 AM (vx61Q) I've long believed that the easiest and best way to reform health insurance is to allow people to choose coverage a la carte. If you want a comprehensive policy, go for it. If not, allow people to choose just the coverage they feel they need. A male in his 60s probably doesn't need coverage to pay for a hysterectomy.

194 183 No, but cryptic phrases do.
Posted by: SFGoth at October 29, 2013 08:17 AM (m9d+o)

Okay, I'll explain your own post to you.

You offered the GOP some free advice.

Don't run folks like Todd Akin.

Posted by: eman

That's a level of "duh" that's so free and obvious it's not even advice.  Now, do you have a thoughtful idea on what might get reliable, small-c conservatives elected?

195 142. No. That is not what enforcement of the law means. Your Elia example portrays what comes with politically motivated selectivity of enforcement COMBINED with ignoring portions of immigration law that exist (sought asylum, has family legally in the US, and is living with family of means, responsible and law abiding people). Clinton/Reno were the reasons a lot of Democrats with logical brains and moral scruples realized that the Democratic Party had gone full ape shit NAZI, and split away from the party of their youth and perhaps of their family tradition. Economic rationale came later as "reason" to become Republican, just in time for the neoconservatives to blow apart fiscal conservatism while destroying constitutional integrity "for our own good" with bipartisan shared authoritarian values. The Patriot Act, No Child Allowed to Learn, Faith Based Marxist Initiatives, NAFTA, comprehensive immigration and health care reform legislative packages, Interventionist Perpetual Wars, Nation Building abroad so we don't have to do it here, Bail-Out the too big to fail global corporatists who took the money and ran in the first place selling derivatives, Executive Order making the Sec./Treasury autonomous, etc.

196 @Vic, If you haven't already, try turning down the brightness on the reader app on your tablet. I read via the Kindle app on my iPad all the time and was having the same eye strain issues until I turned the brightness on the app down. I think I adjusted it to the halfway mark and it makes the app look a little more grey, but I don't get the eye twitches from the strain anymore.

197 The Granny Slayer won't toss out a trespasser, but he will snuff a old lady.

198 It's not about the bad candidates; it's about the candidates that do not tow the statist line. And I might add that the establishment GOP lost a hell of a lot or races where their candidates ran. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 29, 2013 08:18 AM (uf1pv) JJ Sefton, We need more candidates that do not bow to the establishment or the idiotic consultants.

199 191 Jean at October 29, 2013 08:21 AM (CMlD4)

I'd take the repeal as the lobbying would at least be at the state level and the states would be motivated to resist the fuck out of shit like the feds declaring West Virginia's main resource illegal.

Everything is off kilter and the states do not protect economic liberty anymore against a predatory Federal government.

200 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 29, 2013 08:18 AM (uf1pv) ========================== In fact, its because the party nominated two such candidates in successive presidential races, and got their clocks cleaned both times. Advice like this from Lowery and Ponorru is both unsurprising and useless.

201 I gave up my Kindle for a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2. So I don't think it is a case of the one being better. Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2013 07:29 AM (zZbNF) I started with an old school Kindle. As soon as I found the Kindle app for my iPad, I haven't touched it except to move it out of my way.

202 Towards the end of Levin's show last night, he calmly and carefully (re)educated a LIV 17 year old who started off blasting capitalism and promoting socialism. By the end of the segment, he was at least open-minded to learning more. Very well worth a listen.

203 RR was a break in a long line of RINOs since Goldwater.  We have had RINO candidates/Presidents almost forever.  And it is because of the shitty primary schedule foisted off by the leadership.



The Rockefeller wing simply refused to give up power when they abandoned the backroom deals and conventions for nomination.

204 You offered the GOP some free advice. Don't run folks like Todd Akin. Here's a better one GOP-wide: When asked an abortion/gay rights/why do you hate teh womyns question, REFRAME TO THE ECONOMY. This is not hard.

205 201 Advice like this from Lowery and Ponorru is both unsurprising and useless. Posted by: MTF at October 29, 2013 08:23 AM (Wp/g And that's why Gabe is here and posts it every day. In other news, water is wet.

206 194 Zombie John Gotti at October 29, 2013 08:21 AM (rpnNZ)

That's crazy talk...

I am certain I need my non-existent female plumbing and its repair covered...

207 This means that we conservatives want Elian Gonzales style midnight raids, kicking the doors in and deporting everyone who isn't a citizen. All of which is standard practice executed by the government of Mexico if you jump *their* border, and they certainly aren't unique there. Why do we have to be the exception?

208 JohnTant - if I could find a decent replacements for Project and Visio -- MS would be banned.  But that and the number of educational sites that use flash bedevil me.

209 Oh, then you missed the best part, AnnaPuma. She was there with both her parents. All that drama with a 1:1 adult to kid ratio...

210 Red Sox rolling! Next stop, first World Series Championship at Fenway Park in 95 years.

211

198 The Granny Slayer won't toss out a trespasser, but he will snuff a old lady.

Posted by: eman

 

Why do you socialists insist that it's proper to increase everyone's taxes to provide unlimited medical treatment to every person in the country?

 

 

212 205 Here's a better one GOP-wide: When asked an abortion/gay rights/why do you hate teh womyns question, REFRAME TO THE ECONOMY. This is not hard. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at October 29, 2013 08:24 AM (659DL) Why do women vote for free birth control when all they are doing is supporting the phallocratic, misogynistic, paternalistic order that continues to suppress them. Volunteering to be a cum-dumpster is no way to go through life, ladies. Vote Republican and liberate yourselves from Democrat slavery.

213

OK, we're making progress.

John Tant and Sven seem to agree that some sort of self deportation would be part of the plan, tied to restrictions on where they could work.

MPPP is still totally clueless and useless.

Hey, it's a start.

 

Posted by: jwest at October 29, 2013 08:20 AM (u2a4R)

 

No, sugar tits, the "clueless and useless" bit is this:  You ask, "what's your immigration plan?"  I say, "Enforce existing laws on the books and see how that effects things before embarking on some harebrained 'fix.'"

 

You reply, "So far, the consensus is that we follow existing law on immigration. This means that we conservatives want Elian Gonzales style midnight raids, kicking the doors in and deporting everyone who isn't a citizen. Good plan. Winning."

 

English, I therefore conclude, is not your native language.  Either that, or you're simply a demagogue who takes people's positions and exaggerates them to a dishonest extreme.

 

I call people like that shit-stirring nickelfuckers.  YMMV/

214 Now, do you have a thoughtful idea on what might get reliable, small-c conservatives elected?

Posted by: SFGoth at October 29, 2013 08:22 AM (m9d+o)

BJs and six-packs for everyone who votes for a conservative?

215 "I'm a Reagan fan, but the biggest mistake he made was selecting HW Bush to be VP." "Reagan chose Bush to unit the party," No. Reagan did not CHOOSE Bush for his running mate. The party insiders forced Bush onto Reagan's ticket against his will. And in time, Reagan got what he expected. An attempt on his life if he didn't let Bush be Bush.

216 Someone should remind Valerie Jarett that it's "The Law of The Land" and, as I'm sure that she and her ward are aware, "The Law of The Land" must be followed. Unless they don't feel like it, of course.

217 That's a level of "duh" that's so free and obvious it's not even advice. Now, do you have a thoughtful idea on what might get reliable, small-c conservatives elected? Posted by: SFGoth at October 29, 2013 08:22 AM (m9d+o) Oh, you admit it. Thanks. I am trying to replace the GOP, not help it at all. And why are you so interested in a plan from me? I thought plans were very far from your mind.

218 Had to flip to Morning Schmoe to watch libs squirm. I know, I know... The 8 o'clock lead was Lisa Meyers story. Mika had left the set, backstage in tears I guess. It was obviously painful for the pulitzer prize winner Robinson to twist and turn in defense of Choom Boy's plan. Something about there being only a few that had individual plans and not a great impact. Pretty enjoyable on my end though. BTW Schmoe said the report was available on the NBC website. Guess he didn't get the memo.

219 This means that we conservatives want Elian Gonzales style midnight raids, kicking the doors in and deporting everyone who isn't a citizen.

Your Judge Dredd fantasy's aren't the only Conservative option, but a little stick ala Operation Wetback II will have to part of the solution.  Fixing it won't be all rainbow colored unicorn skittles.

(And yes, I know I'm racist and I like it.  Try saying it, you'll feel better.)

220 This means that we conservatives want Elian Gonzales style midnight raids, kicking the doors in and deporting everyone who isn't a citizen. Sigh. Want to know a secret? Secure the border first and routinely enforce the laws that are currently on the books and little Elian will be safe. P.S.: Sanctuary from Castro's hellhole for a minor is a bit different. Just sayin'.

221 Thank you Fenelon.  I know, I know, a gentle answer turneth away wrath.  But it's very hard some days not to go DEFCON 1, myself.

222 The road department is resurfacing the road outside my house and down the street. They did it yesterday too. The noise is terrible and the cats all hide under the beds. The road dept must hate conservatives and my political signs. J/K. ;^). I need to escape. See you tomorrow everyone. God bless you.

223 *bangs head into desk*

With her parents there also? Oy!  And on further reflection her redirecting her daughter is sending that child a message she is not conscious of.  She is telling her daughter that she must be subservient to bullies.  Let the Wookie win in other words without even a smidgen of resistance.

224 The party insiders forced Bush onto Reagan's ticket against his will. And in time, Reagan got what he expected. An attempt on his life if he didn't let Bush be Bush. Dude. Go see Alex Jones. We're done here. M'kay?

225 203
Towards the end of Levin's show last night, he calmly and carefully (re)educated a LIV 17 year old who started off blasting capitalism and promoting socialism. By the end of the segment, he was at least open-minded to learning more.

Very well worth a listen. Posted by: J.J. Sefton

I did not hear that one, but something Levin, and to an extent Rush, can do well, when they want to (that's more about Levin - I can't deal with his screaming) is calmly and carefully educate people.  It's essentially the Socratic method.  I used the same thing to educate a (basically socialist) guy I know about how "trickle down" economics works.  He's no dummy, and he admitted "getting it", but then he didn't like what he was admitting so he basically did the "yeah, well..." and since I was driving in the rain, I went back to intently focusing on the road more than necessary.  However, to the voters who don't care that a "Eureka!" moment might not coincide with their worldview, this is important.  Just screaming buzzwords and principles isn't going to change anything.

226 I hope you all have a nice day I have to go to work today. I was supposed to go yesterday but I hit my head hard on the radiator and think I gave myself a concussion. I woke up in the middle of the night and went in the kitchen and fell asleep drinking coffee. Bye.

227 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 29, 2013 08:29 AM (zF6Iw)

jwest makes up his "facts," and routinely misinterprets others. There isn't much intellectual challenge in debating him.

Just poke at it with a sharp stick....it's more fun that way.

228

if I could find a decent replacements for Project and Visio -- MS would be banned. But that and the number of educational sites that use flash bedevil me.

 

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Ugh - having to use legacy applications is the suck.

 

I know with the Macs you can run Boot Camp and have a disk partition set up for Windows.  Not ideal in terms of keeping everything unified, but it's something.

229 216 No. Reagan did not CHOOSE Bush for his running mate. The party insiders forced Bush onto Reagan's ticket against his will. And in time, Reagan got what he expected. An attempt on his life if he didn't let Bush be Bush. Posted by: panzernashorn at October 29, 2013 08:27 AM (MhA4j) Yup. You are right. Consider me corrected. Amazing how, even with that drunken fuck Tip O'Neill and the rest of the Dems and RINO's opposing him, Reagan won the cold war, liberated 10's of millions, and created the greatest economic boom in history. And still going strong well after he left office. Had we had a succession of Reagan-like conservatives instead of the Bushes, we would be in a very different country right now. If only...

230 So John Hinckley was a PINO, psycho in name only?

231 198 The Granny Slayer won't toss out a trespasser, but he will snuff a old lady. Posted by: eman Why do you socialists insist that it's proper to increase everyone's taxes to provide unlimited medical treatment to every person in the country? Posted by: jwest at October 29, 2013 08:26 AM (u2a4R) Clumsy one, Slayer. I do not want the taxpayers to pay for anyone's healthcare at all. Healthcare is a collection of products and services and should be paid for by the patient. They can buy insurance and pay out of pocket. Those in need can ask for help from family, friends, and charities.

232 212. "Why do you socialists insist that it's proper to increase everyone's taxes to provide unlimited medical treatment to every person in the country?" Anyone can point and shoot. Not everyone bothers to identify the target properly. You'd use "friendly fire" as your excuse to assassinate, sabotage. "You" socialists? Omit the "you" and answer your own question.

233 197 Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at October 29, 2013 08:22 AM (qFpRI)


I have turned down the brightness for the machine but the Kindle App still comes up bright.  I will have to check that to see if there is something in it.

234 However, to the voters who don't care that a "Eureka!" moment might not coincide with their worldview, this is important. I'm trending toward true cynicism. When one of our intellectual betters answers the heave ho from the insurance plans...blames the companies "just like the oil comapnies", you know that we are in trouble.

235 An attempt on his life if he didn't let Bush be Bush.

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 29, 2013 08:27 AM (MhA4j)

Um.....I think the Ultra-rays are getting through your helmet.

Another layer of tin foil is in order.

236 Do Lowery and Ramesh talk about how hard it is to win elections when the RNC doesn't give any fucking money to Lonegan and barely anything to Cuccinelli? I thought under Preibus the party was flush with cash? Is it only to be doled out to squishes?

237 Good morning!

Thanks for the news Vic..

And thanks for the story and link, Mary P4..

Say.. one thing about the Gold Digger clip.. well, two things actually..
One can see where Spielberg got his idea for the opening song in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

The other thing.. I can't be sure, but the chorus line (#6) seemed to contain a young Marjorie Reynolds who later starred in Holiday Inn.

And I really loved the pig-latin verse in that song.. I can't believe I've never seen that before.
Thanks!

238 226 Posted by: SFGoth at October 29, 2013 08:31 AM (m9d+o) Yeah, Levin is a screamer, but he was very calm and patient with this kid because the kid was respectful and wasn't a DNC/ACORN shill serial caller. The problem is that real life, facts, history, heritage, culture and logic don't make for catchy slogans like "The People United Will Never Be Defeated."

239 Posted by: Lincolntf at October 29, 2013 08:32 AM (ZshNr) As if something so gnarly properly belongs in the convenient pigeon hole.

240

No. Reagan did not CHOOSE Bush for his running mate. The party insiders forced Bush onto Reagan's ticket against his will. And in time, Reagan got what he expected. An attempt on his life if he didn't let Bush be Bush.

 

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Dude. Go see Alex Jones. We're done here. M'kay?

 

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Seriously. 

 

You know, I read through the Reagan Diaries (the unabridged version), and nowhere in there do I recall even a whiff of the idea that he was forced to accept Bush as VP.

241 229 Posted by: SFGoth at October 29, 2013 08:31 AM (m9d+o) Or... The Big Lie is easier to swallow than the Whole Truth.

242 Is it only to be doled out to squishes? Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at October 29, 2013 08:34 AM (MlmV9) yes, the gop has even said as much......no money to reformers......

243

Sorry about the noise, Fenelon.  See you later.

 

Carol, be careful.  Watch out for any sudden spells of dizziness or nausea.

244 So John Hinckley was a PINO, psycho in name only?

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 29, 2013 08:32 AM (ZshNr)

He was sent by the Trilateral Commission, in conjunction with the Freemasons and the Joooos.

245 @229 Look into virtualization apps like Parallels Desktop and VMWare Fusion. You can run Windows app side-by-side with Mac apps with either of those.

246 Jodie Foster hardest hit.

247 Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2013 08:33 AM (zZbNF) On my app there is a brightness slider in the options when you tap the "Aa" to adjust the text size. Hope that helps!

248 I gotta say, that Starbucks CEO is a sharp mofo. Because he understands his customer base so well, he knew he wouldnt alienate any customers by taking 'bold' stances on a few issues. Instead, his actions have caused his customer base to become even more loyal. It's a beautiful thing to see the easy manipulation of people. Profit is truly the mother of incentive.

249
If only...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton



Well, Reagan's first choice, and one he really worked for, was Former President Ford. with Howard Baker as a safety pick.

So, kinda boned either way.

250 216 No. Reagan did not CHOOSE Bush for his running mate. The party insiders forced Bush onto Reagan's ticket against his will. And in time, Reagan got what he expected. An attempt on his life if he didn't let Bush be Bush. Posted by: panzernashorn at October 29, 2013 08:27 AM (MhA4j) The Party Insiders cause more trouble than they are worth. We need to get rid of the establishment republicans, one by one and replace them with new blood, like Cruz & Lee. Now IÂ’m leaving to go to get ready for work. For the am people, this is the last time I will force it on anyone. My visit to ME to see my brother was good, I must have brought fresh air or something with me. I stayed from Wednesday to early Friday afternoon. Paul called me Saturday to tell me he moved his left big toe by himself and repeatedly all day. Sunday he could move all the toes on that foot and flex his right ankle. Those are the only movements heÂ’s been able to make since he was hospitalized March 30. Thank all of you for your prayers. I hope itÂ’s a trend that continues. Carol

251

Joethefatman,

B. Dalton is owned by Barnes 'and' Noble.

252 247 Jodie Foster hardest hit. Posted by: Lincolntf at October 29, 2013 08:37 AM (ZshNr) ...mostly by strap-ons and pierced tongues.

253 " Let the Wookie win in other words without even a smidgen of resistance." Yep. Instead of helping her kids by showing them how to approach a situation where there's an obstacle, she shows them that the best course of action is to run away. Brilliant.

254 Cuccinelli is a rock ribbed, small government conservative. And he is getting his ass handed to him in VA by a guy who is about as unprincipled and sleazy as you can get. McAuliffe is even being investigated for breaking federal law in the middle of the campaign and he has come out in favor of Obamacare and supports Obama's war on coal. Note, this is VA and not MA. We can argue all day ( as we do ) about who is the most conservative and if we just run on our principles all will be well but it isn't necessarily true. The country has changed a lot since the glory days of Reagan ( and some of you really need to go back and look at what Reagan actually did, a lot of RINO stuff got done back then ) and we need to change our message. Message, not principles, because what we are doing now only works in deep red conservative areas and there aren't enough of them to win.

255 It's over.
We won.

256 Here's another fun fact about the Obamacare that people won't experience until they're soaking in it.

Say you have one of the plans that has a $9,000 deductible. Depending on your plan, if you have a test that has a price of $2,500, it's possible that only a small fraction of the cost will be applied to the deductible. In some plans only the "reasonable & customary" charge is applied to the deductible.

My husband had a high deductible plan a few years ago and he never got close to meeting his deductible for this reason. We were able to negotiate with the physicians for the cost of the services but still, the deductible can be misleading. That's where in-network, HMOs, PPOs matter the most.

257 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 29, 2013 08:34 AM (oJ5Fd) Kneejerk. I kick one way. You the other. So long as we're not kicking each other. As if that moment didn't mark my point. When did Reagan allow Bush's policies to trump his own? You wouldn't presume that they were aligned all along, would you?

258 250 Well, Reagan's first choice, and one he really worked for, was Former President Ford. with Howard Baker as a safety pick. So, kinda boned either way. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 29, 2013 08:38 AM (kdS6q) I seem to recall he wanted to choose Paul Laxalt, no?

259 the Starbucks CEO followed the Soothsayer Rule for decision-making: Ask yourself what you gain/what you lose by making Decision X.

260 I know with the Macs you can run Boot Camp and have a disk partition set up for Windows. Not ideal in terms of keeping everything unified, but it's something. Posted by: @JohnTant

A third box is easier, when I have to do a Windows thing I toggle over to it using a KVM switch.  (I have a second box dedicated to Outlook because I have to use it and it sucks resources like a Democrat. I run nothing on it but Outlook, the Office Viewers, and Adobe's reader.)  My primary box is Linux build with multiple vm's organized by task.  At least Win7 doesn't crash when you toggle the KVM like Vista did.

261 251. Posted by: CarolT at October 29, 2013 08:38 AM (z4WKX) best wishes

262 Posted by: Lauren at October 29, 2013 08:39 AM (ELdpj) The kicker is at the end when she bribed her tantrum-throwing child by giving him a munchkin. Talk about reinforcing the behavior. "Act like an insane person, get a donut!"

263 Later, my fellow babies. Gots to go do some chores.

264 @261 Sounds awfully complicated. Why have 3 boxes when 1 can do the job: http://youtu.be/lfIdiEQcp5c

265 Carol, be careful. Watch out for any sudden spells of dizziness or nausea. Posted by: Mary PoppinsÂ’ Practically Perfect Piercing at October 29, 2013 08:36 AM (zF6Iw) Thank you, MPPPP. I have a white floor and wonÂ’t wear shoes in the house. I went outside for an hour Sunday morning and had my slippers on. I accidentally work them in the kitchen & saw the mess I left on my floor, mulch, etc. I fell backwards trying to take them off w/o getting more dirt on the floor. Carol

266 248 Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at October 29, 2013 08:37 AM (qFpRI)


Yeah, I have that and forgot abut it.  I have been adjusting back at the main menu for the Samsung.


I'll try running that for a while and see what happens.  But first I have to have time for my eyes to recover.

267

Cuccinelli is a rock ribbed, small government conservative. And he is getting his ass handed to him in VA by a guy who is about as unprincipled and sleazy as you can get. McAuliffe is even being investigated for breaking federal law in the middle of the campaign and he has come out in favor of Obamacare and supports Obama's war on coal. Note, this is VA and not MA.

We can argue all day ( as we do ) about who is the most conservative and if we just run on our principles all will be well but it isn't necessarily true.

The country has changed a lot since the glory days of Reagan ( and some of you really need to go back and look at what Reagan actually did, a lot of RINO stuff got done back then ) and we need to change our message. Message, not principles, because what we are doing now only works in deep red conservative areas and there aren't enough of them to win.

 

Posted by: JackStraw at October 29, 2013 08:39 AM (g1DWB)

 

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You're stealing a lot of bases if you're trying to use the VA governor's race as a reason why the GOP should abandon conservative principles and instead become mercenary.

 

The VA GOP largely abandoned Cuccinelli out of sour grapes because he won the nomination over their preferred RINO choice Bill Bolling.  Further, the national GOP passed up the chance to nationalize the race ala Scott Walker and in doing so failed to make this race a referendum against Obama - apparently because supporting an unapologetic tea partier would make "moderates" feel uncomfortable.

 

 

268 OT


Attention all "fun" morons/ettes.

Have you heard this story?  Maybe we should all place an order soon?

http://tinyurl.com/nzbtc9u

269

The only people buying this are people who know nothing about what Obamacare actually does

 

Including, it would appear,  Obammy and his entire administration.

270 245. You've wrapped yourself in foil, blown Paultard ...or something.

271 #243 I was afraid this would happen when Rove started running his simple yap right after Saint Willard the Squish suffered the fate of running a lackluster campaign. So I guess only the country clubbers and crony capitalists are the ones that count. Good luck winning elections that way!

272 Sun's up. Dog walk.

273 "Talk about reinforcing the behavior. "Act like an insane person, get a donut!" And she'll wonder why her kids are so out of control in 10 years. "Why are they acting out? I give them everything they want!"

274 4 Must have been a .22 or a .25, and a low powered one at that. Gas station attendant is saved from a bullet fired by a robber when the bullet strikes his cell phone and failed to penetrate it. FYI, a standard laptop hard drive can stop (capture, actually) a 45ACP LSWC bullet moving along at 850-900fops. (I know, because I usually "disable" retired hard drives via such means, and have observed this effect personally.) --Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

275 Re: the GOP They are not my Prodigal Son, if you get my drift. The time for advice is long past. The GOP, like a knowitall teen, just wont listen. They want to learn the hard way.

276 Good morning rons. It's another beautiful day at Americas finest blog. Health and wealth to everyone.

277

The other thing.. I can't be sure, but the chorus line (#6) seemed to contain a young Marjorie Reynolds who later starred in Holiday Inn.

 

I'm glad you like the link, Jerry.  I don't see that Reynolds was in the film (I can't find it in her credits), but it's certainly possible.  1933 had four sequels: Gold Diggers of Broadway, Gold Diggers of 1935, Gold Diggers of 1937 and Gold Diggers of Paris, but like most series, the first is the best.

278 Meanwhile the Navy Times still can't get a clear answer on why Capt. Ted Williams was summarily relieved of command last November. What has been released in the redacted information does not show cause for his relief from commanding USS Mount Whitney. I can't stop laughing. THEY DON'T NEED CAUSE. No one on a ship, no one, is more easily replaced than the CO. Grow up. CO of the Mount Whitney is life in the fastest of fast lanes. And there ain't no exit ramps

279 275  Well a .45 is not known for penetration ability either, but I would bet one of those thin cell phones like they showed in that picture would not stop a ball type .45.

280 Posted by: Law of Self Defense at October 29, 2013 08:45 AM (8gaTv)

I have a few old drives that need disabling. What a great little experiment!

[your link doesn't work. Maybe adding an http to it will help?]

281 Vic, only a portion of the TX abortion law was struck down.  The after 20 week ban and the requirement of clinics to meet standards of ambulatory clinics is still in place.  The expense of upgrading is shuttering quite a few of these places.  Overall, it's still a win, and Gregg Abott is appealing the ruling

282 Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2013 08:48 AM (zZbNF)

I wouldn't take that bet!

283 San Francisco stupidvisor is getting an initiative on the local ballot to charge a 2 cent/oz charge on sodapop sales in S.F.  (Doesn't apply to actual soda (aka seltzer) as far as I can tell.)  This one's going to be a tough swallow (no pun intended) for the lib proles.  The wealthy, who shop at Whole Foods (aka, where white liberals go to avoid shopping with the rest of their party) won't care.  Can't wait until pop becomes a smuggled commodity.

284 >>You're stealing a lot of bases if you're trying to use the VA governor's race as a reason why the GOP should abandon conservative principles and instead become mercenary. This is a great example of why people end up talking past each other and instead just sit here yelling at each other all day. I said twice in that comment that I am not advocating changing principles, I am advocating changing the message, the style. And some how what you took out of that was I was saying change principles. You know the reason a lot of people who didn't necessarily support Reagan's positions still liked Reagan? Because he was an upbeat, happy warrior. He talked about how conservative principles would set people free and revive the country. He was not perpetually pissed off and angry. Angry and pissed off does not attract people. One of Ted Cruz's most attractive qualities is that he is a happy warrior. He eats up attacks and comes back smiling. He takes the time to try and explain why he believes what he does instead of insulting those who don't agree with him. And he is doing a very good job of redefining the party as an outsider. If we had done a better job of defining Ocare in the first place we might not be here today. But we lost the message war to the liberals and here we are. And now we all have to go through a lot of pain to get it fixed. Or we can just keep doing the same shit and losing. But at least we'll have our principles to keep us warm.

285 speaking of self defense... guess what the hearings today in DC are about... Nope, not stopping obamacare. Stand Your Ground laws. And guess who's mother will be testifying. See, Democrats know how to stage hearings. They walk in fully prepared, loaded for bear. The Republicans, however..

286 Since winning elections is so important, I am sure Gabe can tell us everything he has done to support Ken Cucinelli in Virginia.

287 Hoooly Shit. I went to the playground whiner's website and here's the first sentence of her post: "Thirty-five is a weird age, isnÂ’t it? Not quite a girl, not yet a woman. " I just...*sputters incoherently and rocks in the corner*

288 "Thirty-five is a weird age, isnÂ’t it? Not quite a girl, not yet a woman. "



http://youtu.be/GxLR_VaWkMM

289

Good article noted in the side bar. Concerning some of the milksop fucking rinos around here who are so fond of envolking Buckley when defending the fucking GOP establishment. link also.

http://tinyurl.com/lvwtdbr

290 Yeah, about that NRO article. Will Ponurru and Lowery please set out what victories, exactly, their approach has gained since, oh, I'm in a generous mood, 2000? No, seriously, if you want to persuade me that moderation for the sake of moderation in order to elect people to Congress is a viable strategy in order to obtain the seats to achieve results conservatives want, then you had damn well better present some evidence, actual tangible evidence and facts, to me that upon having such a majority, a conservative agenda will be advanced. That article, not to mention all the sniping and snarking here, are rather remarkable in the failure to answer the simple question of how will this help achieve the ends which I, as a conservative, seek. Let me reiterate. I, as a conservative, have been told for going on 20 odd years now that we must nominate the most conservative candidate that is electable, which, oddly enough, always seems to mean someone who is at least in the middle of the road, if not to the left side of the Republican spectrum as opposed to someone to the right side of the conservative spectrum. I, as a conservative, have been told for going on 20 odd years now that the key is getting bodies in the seats and then, then a conservative agenda will be advance. I, as a conservative, have been told for going on 20 odd years now that I need to be a good girl and sit down and be quiet and understand the realities of the situation. Guess what? I've done that. I have supported candidates whose loathing for me was obvious. I have given time and treasure to attempt to elect those who have no use for me. For what? For what, exactly? What, specifically and precisely, have I gained by setting aside principles? For pity's sake, the examples they use arise from those horrible ideologues standing athwart and yelling halt. You see, some of us were paying attention back then and some of us remember these intra-party wars are all happening again because it all happened before.
This is one of the things which infuriates me. That article? Is nothing more or less than point blank magical thinking underneath the veneer of poorly disguised contempt. Fine. We do it their way. And then what? No, seriously, what? Suddenly a tide of conservative ideals will swell up and all will be well? It's Underpants Gnomes, all the way down. I am beyond tired of those holding the conservative wing of the party in contempt acting is if their approach is working. It is not. It is demonstrably not. It is factually not. Stop acting like it is. Stop it. Ponurru and Lowery, et al want me to act as if all of politics since GHWB has not taken place. Who are the ones living in a fantasy world? We have done things the way they wish. It has led us here. I sat down. I shut up. It's their turn now. (in exchange for the tl;dr have some Marilyn - http://bit.ly/HnI65t )

291

This is fucking ridiculous.   Kids are being expelled from school for    eating pop tarts that kind oflook like guns, or for having butter knives   in their lunch bags, but this kid is still in school and the parents are only NOW finding out what happened?

 

We're fucked as a country.

 

7-year-old still in class after pencil stabbing

 

WHDH (Boston): http://tinyurl.com/mbeqvn5

 

 

SPENCER, Mass. (WHDH) -- Parents of students at Wire Village School are outraged after learning a 7-year-old student is still in class after being accused of assaulting another 7-year-old boy so seriously, the victim had to undergo emergency surgery.

 

 

7News was told that the victim, a second-grader, had to undergo emergency surgery. He lost quite a bit of blood and has to wear a colostomy bag.

 

 

"My child is in the same class as the perpetrator, and has had issues with the perpetrator on other occasions, and I’m very concerned about the safety of my son,” said Lynda Hafner, a concerned parent.

 

 

Police said it took place during recess on October 4th but were not saying much else due to the sensitivity of what took place.

 

 

"Another boy took a pencil and stabbed him through his pants and his underwear,” said Hafner.

 

 

Parents want to know why it took so long for the school to notify them and why the student allegedly responsible is still in class.

 

 

“We found out through Facebook. It was a shock to us. It wasn't from the school. It was just through Facebook. Not the way I like to find things out,” said Travis Riley, a parent...

292 An attempt on his life if he didn't let Bush be Bush. -panzernashorn Um.....I think the Ultra-rays are getting through your helmet. Another layer of tin foil is in order. -CharlieBrown'sDildo Yeah. I collect conspiracy theories like old comic books, but this was new to me. Wouldn't mind a little extrapolation. For my collection. Panz?

293 We were given the EIC while my husband was deployed because his taxable income met the requirements.  I told the guy doing my returns that I didn't want it, and I didn't need it.  I guess the program he used wouldn't allow him to cancel it.  Has this happened to anyone else? 

294

Posted by: JackStraw at October 29, 2013 08:52 AM (g1DWB)

 

Well, I apologize if I misread you, but on the other hand the VA Gov situation is one where the state GOP and, to an extent, the national party isn't doing a whole lot in the way of support.  Then when the predictable  happens it's  then  used as an example of why conservatives can't win.

 

When Bill Bolling comes out in an interview a month or two after the convention and openly questions Cuccinelli's qualifications to be Governor, I'm not too receptive to someone telling me Cuccinelli needs to work on his messaging.

295 Or we can just keep doing the same shit and losing. But at least we'll have our principles to keep us warm. Posted by: JackStraw at October 29, 2013 08:52 AM (g1DWB) I'm with you on the happy warrior thing. Why just last night Snooki got bounced from DWTS in favor of Bill Engvall. "WTF does that have to do with anything OSP?" Well, I was getting to that. Snooki was the better dancer but it's a public opinion poll and the public liked engvall better. What is an election if not a public opinion poll that chooses it's winners, unfairly, on superficial criteria. We need a likable, charismatic conservative. Mitt and his Ilk isn't it. Cruz just may be.

296

Hoooly Shit. I went to the playground whiner's website and here's the first sentence of her post:

"Thirty-five is a weird age, isnÂ’t it? Not quite a girl, not yet a woman. "

I just...*sputters incoherently and rocks in the corner*

 

Posted by: Lauren at October 29, 2013 08:54 AM (ELdpj)

 

 

OMG WTF?

 

I'm 34, and guess what?   I haven't been a girl for quite some time now, and I'd never   pretend    otherwise.     WHAT. THE. FUCK?

297 104 "Like other minorities, Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders are real people who cannot and should not be commodified as Halloween costumes..." I understand what the speaker means by "should not," but what does the word "cannot" mean in that sentence?

298 >>“Everyone is in communication, and we’re just asking: What is the best way to accomplish our ultimate goal? There’s no daylight between us on repealing the law, but tactics and strategy are important.” Quick. Which crazy RINO said this? This guy. >>“I think everyone is taking a step back, to be honest,” said FreedomWorks Executive Vice President Adam Brandon, who frequently talks with other major groups like Heritage Action. http://tinyurl.com/ke8tv3r This is all some of us have been saying since before the shutdown. We all want to end Obamacare and stop the libs. But tactics and strategy do matter. We can do the purity thing later. Lets go beat the shit out of the libs first.

299 Cuthbert, i believe the Navy Times is whining about the redacted document moreso then the actual axing. If you want a behavior curtailed, you gotta explain it.

300 "Has this happened to anyone else?" Yeah there were several years when we qualified and it was just automatic. I don't think you even can opt out of it. I mean, I guess if someone were really dedicated they could send back the remainder as a gift to the treasury, but I'm firmly in the LIB catagory now and say take anything they give you, it's the law, Cloward Plivan them.

301 I'm 34, and guess what? I haven't been a girl for quite some time now, and I'd never pretend otherwise. WHAT. THE. FUCK? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at October 29, 2013 09:01 AM (4df7R) Oh come on. Join the denial club where Barbi never ages and others make up for her poor decision making.

302 Lowry and Ponnuru - Gutless RINO traitors or secret communist moles? Discuss!

303 speaking of self defense...
guess what the hearings today in DC are about...

Nope, not stopping obamacare. Stand Your Ground laws.

And guess who's mother will be testifying.

See, Democrats know how to stage hearings. They walk in fully prepared, loaded for bear. The Republicans, however..

 

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 29, 2013 08:53 AM (Tqq+7)

 

If I was running the RNC, I'd make sure every Republican in that chamber was armed with Mother Traytable's rap sheet.  I'd bet a week's pay she's had run-ins with John Law.

304 Sunday he could move all the toes on that foot and flex his right ankle. -CarolT One toe was hopeful. This sounds like a pattern of progress. Tear of joy.

305

Funny enough, the off-topic forum at Jalopnik has someone moaning about Drudge linking Jalopnik. These two replies - the irony she is staggering:

"

themanwithsauce

In all honesty, the people who listen to sources like this have already decided what side they are on and just look for an echo chamber that agrees with them. I could care less since those people also tend to be un-influential in the world as a whole.

Alex Carrillo

I wouldn't say they lack influence. If that were the case we would be putting in as much effort into preparing for the inevitable devastation that climate change will bring as we do on the war on terror. 

"

Also the stupid is staggering. That too.

306 Anyone who needs a ride to the polls to vote for Cuccinelli let me know.

307 We just need people who can distill and articulate the Conservative Message to the Dumb People. Impossible? Yes, nearly. The case for Conservatism can only be boiled down so much. Socialism is a far easier sell. The problem is the Dumb People, a cohort masterfully and painstakingly created by Big Media for the Leftist agenda.

308 No comments about the lead smelting plant closing?  The last US lead smelting plant???

No?

309 "Like other minorities, Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders are real people who cannot and should not be commodified as Halloween costumes," Liu said.

So stop dressing in western clothing,  you fucking g**k.

310 Anyone who needs a ride to the polls to vote for Cuccinelli let me know. Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 09:04 AM (CMlD4) You ought to get a bus and go to W Virginia. Load up some motivated rednecks and play the way the Dems do.

311 EC, who needs lead anymore?

312

No comments about the lead smelting plant closing? The last US lead smelting plant???

No?

 

Posted by: EC at October 29, 2013 09:05 AM (GQ8sn)

 

 

We're too busy with the circular firing squad.

 

I'm all for the circular firing squad    myself, if it means something actually gets done instead of this bullshit internecine stagnation.

313 I know with the Macs you can run Boot Camp and have a disk partition set up for Windows. Not ideal in terms of keeping everything unified, but it's something. Posted by: @JohnTant at October 29, 2013 08:32 AM (PFy0L) Don't use boot camp, just buy some VM software. When your virtual Windows Installation gets boned, you can kill it and start anew. You can also set things up to share between OSX and windows so your MAC backups can pull your data files/pictures etc. in without bringing windows files along. Windows in the operating system version of Dianne Sawyer.

314 Ha, Lauren. The reason I hated the playground when my kids were little was parents like that one. There is seriously no damn way that the "35, not yet a woman" line was sincere. Please tell me it wasn't. Pretty please?

315

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 29, 2013 08:56 AM (VtjlW)

 

Perfect summation, Empress.  Romney was my last shit sandwich and no shrieking cry of "but the Democrat will be worse!" will get my vote.

316 Windows in the operating system version of Dianne Sawyer.

Posted by: The Hobo Hooker, Needs a hug and a Quaalude, Wears Prada at October 29, 2013 09:06 AM (GeVLX)

 

A staggering drunk with crossed eyes and a fondness for bland power suits?

317 Oldsailor, when I go to the kin folk for support, it's going to be like Lighthorse Harry did. Voting will be a quaint reminder of better times.

318 Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 09:04 AM (CMlD4)

I live in NJ.

Can I vote?

319 I sat down. I shut up. It's their turn now.

 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 29, 2013 08:56 AM (VtjlW)

 

 

*coo*

 

I have such a girl!crush on you, most benevolentish dictator.

320 EC, who needs lead anymore?

Posted by: Gunless RINO at October 29, 2013 09:06 AM (CMlD4)

*shurg*

321

Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 09:04 AM (CMlD4)

I live in NJ.

Can I vote?

 

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 29, 2013 09:08 AM (oJ5Fd)

 

 

I'm in NH.   I'm   up for the commute!

322 Jenny: "Last month, a few short weeks before my thirty-fifth birthday, I rediscovered the adolescent desire to express myself. I went out and dyed my hair red, have been considering (and reconsidering) piercing my nose (for the third time), and have been urging my husband to get himself a shiny, new tattoo." O_O So...yeah, I'm going with totally serious. Terrifying, but serious. And you know she votes, oh yes she does.

323 283 I wouldn't take that bet!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 29, 2013 08:49 AM (oJ5Fd)

Well the other thing not mentioned here is that a hard drive is nothing at all like a cell phone.  So the hard drive thingy is really a strawman argument. A hard drive has multiple layers of a ferrous type metal enclosed in an aluminum case.  A cell phone is a plastic case enclosing a single circuit board with some chips on it.

324

"We need a likable, charismatic conservative. Mitt and his Ilk isn't it. Cruz just may be."

 

Cruz just might be.

 

Being likable and charismatic are traits that our candidate could use, however, I believe that if we're going to start winning elections  the candidate needs to be able to explain why the conservative method is better than the liberal one.

 

The person running must have taken the time to think the positions through.  If you know and understand a position based on principle and worked through to encompass real world situations, you can get through any interview or debate with people believing you know what you're talking about.

 

Spouting a bumper sticker slogan without being able to back it up won't help conservatives because we don't control the media and can't set the narrative.

 

 

325 Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2013 09:04 AM (CMlD4)
I live in NJ.
Can I vote?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 29, 2013 09:08 AM (oJ5Fd)


I'm in NH. I'm up for the commute!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at October 29, 2013 09:09 AM (4df7R)

We can mail in an absentee vote, right?

326

Lowry and Ponnuru - Gutless RINO traitors or secret communist moles? Discuss!

 

I'll go with "blinkered  Beltway insiders" for $500, Alex.

327 Oh come on. Join the denial club where Barbi never ages and others make up for her poor decision making.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 29, 2013 09:02 AM (XIxXP)

 

Ugh.   Perpetual juveniles are    among my least favorite people.   And you know my attitude towards people I don't like.  

 

My mother has always said that when I was born, she looked into my eyes and saw and old soul that had been 'round the block a few times.  As I get older I find myself agreeing with her.   It certainly seems like I've seen all this stupidity before.

328 There is something satisfying in turning your sights on a clueless quisling. Almost better than splashing a leftard.

329 "Thirty-five is a weird age, isnÂ’t it? Not quite a girl, not yet a woman. "

And not yet... aware.  At. All.

330 295
Posted by: JackStraw at October 29, 2013 08:52 AM (g1DWB)

Well, I apologize if I misread you, but on the other hand the VA Gov situation is one where the state GOP and, to an extent, the national party isn't doing a whole lot in the way of support. Then when the predictable happens it's then used as an example of why conservatives can't win.

When Bill Bolling comes out in an interview a month or two after the convention and openly questions Cuccinelli's qualifications to be Governor, I'm not too receptive to someone telling me Cuccinelli needs to work on his messaging.

Posted by: @JohnTant at October 29, 2013 08:58 AM (PFy0L)

It's tough for the GOP, they appear to not have a clue and don't seem to be looking for one.  The dems are all over social media in the comments and even on lunatic fringe sites, the GOP isn't close to having the army of willing cyber operatives needed to counteract the dems.  Was forwarded a link to this thread on a site called lunatic outpost which is a fringy conspiracy site, yet, there is a thread about the GOP in Virginia.  The title is: GOP collapses in Virginia.  Since people are on that site to hear about comets and what not, they'll read that title, process it but not open to read, so they won't see anyone refuting what has been stated but in their mind they will think the Cuccinelli and company doesn't have a chance.  And, there's no GOP cyber crew to put up a pro Cuccinelli thread.  This is where the GOP loses in these seemingly small places that get a lot of hits from a demographic they desperately need, the 18 - 35 set.

http://tinyurl.com/krn56wj

331 323 Jenny: "Last month, a few short weeks before my thirty-fifth birthday, I rediscovered the adolescent desire to express myself. I went out and dyed my hair red, have been considering (and reconsidering) piercing my nose (for the third time), and have been urging my husband to get himself a shiny, new tattoo." O_O So...yeah, I'm going with totally serious. Terrifying, but serious. And you know she votes, oh yes she does. Posted by: Lauren at October 29, 2013 09:09 AM (ELdpj) Good God. I'm 33 and haven't felt like a girl in a very, very long time. I wish this mess was isolated to just a few idiots, but alas I personally know quite a few mid-30s "girls." It is annoying in the extreme and people like this are going to royally f-up their children.

332 282 Posted by: no good deed at October 29, 2013 08:49 AM (k55Fc)



From the article the thing I got from it was that the primary requirement to require the abortion doctors to have admitted power was struck down.

333 new name for obama: obama, Swinger of Golf Clubs, Destroyer of Innovation, Annhilator of the Private Sector, Bringer of Pestilence, Catalyst for Poverty... um, I. (the First)

334 "Thirty-five is a weird age, isnÂ’t it? Not quite a girl, not yet a woman. "
I just...*sputters incoherently and rocks in the corner*

Posted by: Lauren at October 29, 2013 08:54 AM (ELdpj)

According to liberals, she's only really 9.  After all, doesn't infancy run all the way through 26 these days?

335 Full disclosure: I work for a company that competes directly with CGI-Federal in the same marketspace. Their reputation within the industry is for low-balling bids and then performing poorly so they can get follow on contracts to fix the stuff they screwed up the first time around.

Just sayin'

336 #290 Thanks for making me aware of that because I'm prone to ignore just about everything from Erickson, for good fucking reasons, but that was money. Some HOF WFB quotes in it skewering the country clubbers who claimed to like him because he used big words without listening to one fucking bit of the underlying content.

337 "This is all some of us have been saying since before the shutdown. We all want to end Obamacare and stop the libs. But tactics and strategy do matter.

We can do the purity thing later. Lets go beat the shit out of the libs first.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 29, 2013 09:02 AM (g1DWB)"

Okay, let's go with your approach. I'll stipulate the shutdown strategy failed, now what? What is our leadership doing now? Is McConnell or Boehner or even Prebuis hitting all the media outlets hammering this administration and showing their plan to stop Obamacare? The freak'n thing is falling apart so bad the liberal media can't even ignore it and where are our betters? Or is this silence some great tactical move I'm too daft to understand?

338 oh, and Precipitator of Faints, Husband to Wookiee

339 285 Or we can just keep doing the same shit and losing. But at least we'll have our principles to keep us warm.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 29, 2013 08:52 AM (g1DWB)

We have already been doing the same shit and losing.  Its called nominating moderate squishes and watching Obama win.

340

"Last month, a few short weeks before my thirty-fifth birthday, I rediscovered the adolescent desire to express myself. I went out and dyed my hair red, have been considering (and reconsidering) piercing my nose (for the third time), and have been urging my husband to get himself a shiny, new tattoo."

 

 

Nickefucking fucknuts.  

This is what gets me:   "piercing my nose (for the third time)"

 

Ah.  So you weren't expressing yourself enough the    first TWO times you pierced your nose.  You need that third piercing to really bring it home.

 

And I've never really understood how dying your hair counts as "expressing" one's self.  You're not expressing yourself.  You're dying your hair.   I understand doing it if you feel like   changing your look, or maybe you want to see how you'd look with a completely different color.   But it's not expressing yourself.  It's an attempt to change yourself.   IMO there's a difference.

341 EC, who needs lead anymore? Posted by: Gunless RINO at October 29, 2013 09:06 AM (CMlD4) *shurg* Posted by: EC at October 29, 2013 09:08 AM (GQ8sn) I guess Popeil or Ronco will have to come up with the new back yard smelter. There is so much scrap lead floating around. Pouring your own shouldn't be a problem. But yeah, the EPA, the DHS and every other agency that makes up the oppressive bowl of rancid alphabet soup, are working together to achieve a greater goal.

342 Why bother responding to the concern troll that's so concerned?

343 Okaaay, so she's so deep in denial that she decides her minor mid-life crisis really means that 35 is so not-old, it's not even adult! Good grief.

344 Something for MWR and AtC:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/64854


I'm a giver ladies!

345 Thirty-five is a weird age, isnÂ’t it? Not quite a toddler, not yet a wizened crone.

346 Remember when Expressing Oneself was referred to as CALLING ATTENTION TO ONESELF?

347 Remember when Expressing Oneself was referred to as CALLING ATTENTION TO ONESELF? Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at October 29, 2013 09:17 AM (Tqq+7) Or the short version, Attention Whore.

348 @338

The GOP could effectively destroy the President and the Democrats over Obamacare.

What is the GOP establishement doing?

Absolutely nothing as far as I can tell.

349 But yeah, the EPA, the DHS and every other agency that makes up the oppressive bowl of rancid alphabet soup, are working together to achieve a greater goal.


No shit.  They failed on the guns, so they're going after the next thing they can control to make them otherwise useless.

I'm a fan of steel core.  It doesn't have to be lead.

350 I just helped the economy by replacing a spring on one of our garage doors. You're welcome.

351 LOOK At ME! LOOOK AT ME!!! I'm a mom, but I cuss and I talk about how I can't stand my kids. Aren't I edgy? LOOK. AT. ME!

352 " The short version is: hey, dummies, you're nothing if you can't win elections. " I would argue that you are worse than nothing if you win elections by selling out critical principles. Need to be on the right side of history and morality.

353 Sounds awfully complicated. Why have 3 boxes when 1 can do the job:

Because that is actually more complicated, keeping all those OS up in VMs is a lot of work and I would rather have the email stream running separately, so I can ignore it.

354 "The GOP could effectively destroy the President and the Democrats over Obamacare.

What is the GOP establishement doing?

Absolutely nothing as far as I can tell.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 29, 2013 09:17 AM (qH/2Y) "

 

 

 

 

Wrong! The are sending millions of begger letters out to people like me asking for money to keep shitstains like Juan McLame in his comfortable office. Unfortunately, the paper is too slick to wipe effectively, and too stiff to flush properly.

355 A cell phone is a plastic case enclosing a single circuit board with some chips on it. Vic, you forgot the tempered glass. Shattering tempered glass on its face steals a shitload of energy from the projectile.

356 #349 They could also be blowing the HMS Pantsuit out of the water before that garbage scow sets sail.

357 "What is the GOP establishement doing?"

Having backroom meeting working out our messaging I guess.

358 Y'all, I couldn't make this up if I tried. "Stephanie is a former post-graduate level behavioral health clinician, clinical supervisor, and college instructor who traded in the glitz and glamour of human services for stay-at-home motherhood. She is the proud and exhausted mother of a spirited three-year-old boy, two-year-old twins, a husband with a rotating work schedule, and three cats. Stephanie is also a fearless customer-service advocate, female-empowerment warrior, and social and pop culture satirist."

359

stop dressing in western clothing, you fucking g**k.

Posted by: Dang at October 29, 2013 09:05 AM (Hx2XA)

cute

360 Used to think 'how the f are these people going to be employable with all the piercings and tats on their face?' Then I realized being employed is optional these days.

361 When Bill Bolling comes out in an interview a month or two after the convention and openly questions Cuccinelli's qualifications to be Governor, I'm not too receptive to someone telling me Cuccinelli needs to work on his messaging. Posted by: @JohnTant at October 29, 2013 08:58 AM (PFy0L) I meant to thank you yesterday for explaining what's going on in VA to me. Thank you, that is helpful to know. This goes back to the sit down and shut up and their turn position. Okay, fine, Cuccinelli appears to be a not optimal choice. But he won the primary. If the moderate wing actually means what they say, then Bolling, et al would, perforce, have shut their pie holes and gone all out and campaigned for Cuccinelli. That has not occurred. That rather calls into doubt their commitment to the just win baby position, to say nothing of Sparkle Motion. *kisses MWR on cheek* Pour tu, mon ami. http://bit.ly/17unEcR So help me, if Abbie doesn't dress Ichabod like that, I'll go something something.

362 "What is the GOP establishement doing?" Working on Amnesty, just think, 30 million hispanic voters. All happy to be in the GOP because it's the GOP that made Amnesty possible.

363 Posted by: Lauren at October 29, 2013 09:21 AM (ELdpj) Where is the link to that site? Need some humor this morning.

364 356 Vic, you forgot the tempered glass. Shattering tempered glass on its face steals a shitload of energy from the projectile.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 29, 2013 09:20 AM (V3kRK)

There is no tempered glass on any of the cell phones in my house.  It is all plastic.

365 303 Lowry and Ponnuru - Gutless RINO traitors or secret communist moles? Discuss! And is better than or.

366 If you click on my sig, it takes you to her article and her blog is linked at the bottom.

367 AtC! 

#345!

368 I just helped the economy by replacing a spring on one of our garage doors. You're welcome. You should replace both at the same time--especially if the originals did not have the safety cable running through the center of the spring coils.

369 Stephanie is the mother of a singleton, twins, and...a husband? Welp, who am I to judge her family choices (or sentence structure)?

370 287:  Short answer-shut up.  It's a one way street with the reasonable, non-crazy Republican establishment. 

371 "Welp, who am I to judge her family choices (or sentence structure)?" She must be the one who programed Obamacare's family size options.

372 >> I guess Popeil or Ronco will have to come up with the new back yard smelter. Pretty sure you can just melt it over your stove top* (obviously long term exposure to lead vapor is not going to be good for your health, be safe: wear two condoms & a bike helmet). * a touch over 600 Real Temperature Units, IIRC.

373

I just helped the economy by replacing a spring on one of our garage doors. You're welcome.

 

---------

Mine went out a few months ago and I was initially going to treat it like a DIY project.  An hour or two researching how to do it and, more importantly, the danger of a tightly wound spring coming loose persuaded me to call a professional.

374 Morning all: It's midnight in America Over 2 million Americans have lost their Health Insurance Plans due to obama Most people signing up for obamadeath plans are signing up for Medicaid And so it begins

375 >>Okay, let's go with your approach. I'll stipulate the shutdown strategy failed, now what? What is our leadership doing now? Is McConnell or Boehner or even Prebuis hitting all the media outlets hammering this administration and showing their plan to stop Obamacare? The freak'n thing is falling apart so bad the liberal media can't even ignore it and where are our betters? Or is this silence some great tactical move I'm too daft to understand? It's the same approach I've been saying for months. It's the same approach that Freedom Works and Heritage Action are now advocating. Not because any of us like Obamacare but because after losing in 2012 it was the only way. If you read the Obamacare statute you will realize that there was no way to defund Obamacare without either getting both the House and the Senate to agree and to get Obama to sign it or to get super majorities in both houses to override Obama. This was just never going to happen. And I think everyone really knows this even if they don't want to admit it. Yea, fighting on that hill sounded satisfying but it was never going to be a battle we could win. It's about fighting and winning on the hill not walking into a suicide mission. But we've always had a secret weapon and that weapon is the reality of Obamacare. Yes, it sounds good on paper to a lot of LIVs, even more with the lies Obama used to sell it. But it was never going to work. People were always going to lose their doctors and their insurance and rates were always going to skyrocket. This is what happens with socialized medicine. And people will be pissed. This isn't the UK post WWII. This is the USA were we have no history of socialized medicine in the general population and it is already sinking like a rock. This is our weapon to beat the libs into the dirt. I've been saying for weeks that this isn't just a battle over Ocare. If we frame it properly, like Reagan did and like Cruz is trying, we can make this a referendum on big, our of control federal government and move that Overton Window ace always talks about. We can get rid of Obamacare but we need to win elections, the first coming next fall. And we need the support of the masses to do that. And now we have issue. All we need to do now is unite behind that message and start beating the libs over the head with it. We will never all agree on any candidate or representative. So what? At least on this issue everyone on our side of the aisle is in agreement. Let's go win next fall so we can get rid of this piece of shit law and then we can start the purges for those who aren't sufficiently conservative.

376 AtC! #345! Posted by: EC at October 29, 2013 09:23 AM (GQ8sn) I saw. You may have another non-smallpox infected blanket.

377 There's enough potential energy in your laptop battery to kill a fair-sized herd of ponies. You'd better let a (well-paid) expert turn your computer on & off for you.

378 HAIFA, ISRAEL – With every passing day bringing new allegations of the U.S. spying on its allies, many Israelis figure they would be naive to believe America wasn't snooping on its closest ally in the Middle East. But instead of the indignation seen in France, Spain and Germany at the prospect that the National Security Agency listened in to the phone calls of top leaders, Israelis seem to take in stride the prospect of Uncle Sam listening in. “I think it is almost a universal assumption that everyone tries to spy on everyone,” Mark Heller, of Tel Aviv’s Institute for National Security Studies told FoxNews.com. “Since the U.S. - by virtue of its resources, if nothing else - is the most capable, then it is probably best to assume that it does [now] or has done in the past to Israel what it has apparently done to its other friends and allies. “It’s almost a given” Heller continued. “The whole story reminds me of the scene from Casablanca when the Chief of Police is shocked to find out that there is gambling going on in the casino!” Former spymaster Danny Yatom told reporters the suspicions are warranted. It seems only the Israel has it's head tied on right

379 "Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which." george orwell, animal farm

380
I saw. You may have another non-smallpox infected blanket.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 29, 2013 09:27 AM (VtjlW)

http://tinyurl.com/oxho6fe

381 367 If you click on my sig, it takes you to her article and her blog is linked at the bottom. Posted by: Lauren at October 29, 2013 09:23 AM (ELdpj) The link goes to a WaTimes article about military death benefits?

382 There is no tempered glass on any of the cell phones in my house. It is all plastic. HTC uses Corning's Gorilla Glass across its smart phone line. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla_Glass

383 New York doctors are treating ObamaCare like the plague, a new survey reveals. A poll conducted by the New York State Medical Society finds that 44 percent of MDs said they are not participating in the nation’s new health-care plan. Another 33 percent say they’re still not sure whether to become ObamaCare providers. Only 23 percent of the 409 physicians queried said they’re taking patients who signed up through health exchanges. “This is so poorly designed that a lot of doctors are afraid to participate,” said Dr. Sam Unterricht, president of the 29,000-member organization. “There’s a lot of resistance. Doctors don’t know what they’re going to get paid.” Three out of four doctors who are participating in the program said they “had to participate” because of existing contractual obligations with an insurer or medical provider, not because they wanted to.

384 And I've never really understood how dying your hair counts as "expressing" one's self. You're not expressing yourself. You're dying your hair. I understand doing it if you feel like changing your look, or maybe you want to see how you'd look with a completely different color. But it's not expressing yourself. It's an attempt to change yourself. IMO there's a difference.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at October 29, 2013 09:14 AM (4df7R)

She means this red:  http://tinyurl.com/l3q2buj (hipster fake red)

not this red:  22 Signs YouÂ’re A Natural Redhead

http://tinyurl.com/d4nq7ca (number 14 is the cutest)

385 383


What is HTC?

386

I meant to thank you yesterday for explaining what's going on in VA to me. Thank you, that is helpful to know.

 

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You're welcome.

 

There's a lot about the VA gov race that just isn't  widely  known, and yet it's going to be treated as a bellwether by whichever side wins.  One would think the GOP would be taking it more seriously, but apparently punishing Cuccinelli is more pressing than preventing TMA from being our Gov.

 

One thing - in fairness, Cuccinelli got the nomination via convention and not primary.  The  story from  the Establishment side is that Bolling would have won a primary and therefore somehow Cuccinelli cheated his way into the nomination.  However, Cuccinelli won a  previous  statewide election as well, and there's no guarantee that Bolling would have won the primary. 

 

Besides, in  Cuccinelli's  shoes I would have done the same thing...limited resources would have been spent on a primary when instead they could have been saved for the general.

387 Woohoo Just picked up my copy of battlefield4 Give me two weeks and Obama might hire me to run the dept of defense

388 What is HTC?

Cell phone maker.

389 I used to read Deadspin all the time, but once they started with the Gawker creep I couldn't even justify putting up with the declining quality. I have never quite understood people who hang the pride flag outside their offices but then need to call out someone for being gay. Doesn't that kind of defeat the point that it's all the same and being gay doesn't matter?

390

With every passing day bringing new allegations of the U.S. spying on its allies, many Israelis figure they would be naive to believe America wasn't snooping on its closest ally in the Middle East.

 

Considering the left are stone-cold anti-Semites, the Israelis probably figure Barky's spying on them to give info to the Paleoswinians.

391 Mine went out a few months ago and I was initially going to treat it like a DIY project. An hour or two researching how to do it and, more importantly, the danger of a tightly wound spring coming loose persuaded me to call a professional. I assumed we were talking about the pairs of springs that mount on each side. If you have the bigass single spring that mounts in the center above the opening, it is not a DIY project.

392 Woohoo
Just picked up my copy of battlefield4

Give me two weeks and Obama might hire me to run the dept of defense

Posted by: Navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 09:31 AM (BKR67)

Let me know how it goes.  I hated BF3 and uninstalled it after a couple of weeks.  BF4 looks like BF3 with more maps.

393 Conservatives sux. Republicans rulez!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 29, 2013 07:25 AM (kdS6q)

So basically it's just more mewling from the mouthpieces of the spineless, toothless, old men in the GOP leadership.

394 What is HTC? The brand of the device. You can see it in the photograph at the link you posted.

395 Nevermind, I see it is a brand of smart phone.  We have none of those here.


Dump up

396 Hipster Troll Carwash

397 I assumed we were talking about the pairs of springs that mount on each side. If you have the bigass single spring that mounts in the center above the opening, it is not a DIY project. Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 29, 2013 09:32 AM (V3kRK) Agreed. I have 25+ years in Mechanical Maintenance and I have my Garage door outsourced. I could prolly figure it out but the insurance deductable from the Emergency room trip would be more.

398 "Let's go win next fall so we can get rid of this piece of shit law and then we can start the purges for those who aren't sufficiently conservative."

What? What is going to change next fall that will get rid of this law?

399 393. I couldn't finish BF3 They tried to make it all vehicles and it got boring Arma2 was like that

400

I assumed we were talking about the pairs of springs that mount on each side. If you have the bigass single spring that mounts in the center above the opening, it is not a DIY project.

 

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Oh, no, I'm talking about the bigass spring on the axle above the door that provides potential energy to life the door without getting a hernia.

 

Yeah, I let the pro do that one.

401 My involvement with the spring replacement: wait for repair guy and pay repair guy. It was both springs on one of our doors. The other doors are fine. Until they aren't.

402 >>What? What is going to change next fall that will get rid of this law? With both the Senate and the House in our control and people supporting us and demanding the law be "fixed"? Quite a bit. And then in 2016 if we can take the presidency, all of it.

403 If you read the Obamacare statute you will realize that there was no way to defund Obamacare without either getting both the House and the Senate to agree and to get Obama to sign it or to get super majorities in both houses to override Obama. This was just never going to happen. Posted by: JackStraw at October 29, 2013 09:26 AM (g1DWB) I wish people would stop repeating shit like this. If Tip O'Neal were running the house, he would have won this. Yes, there is a way to defund obamacare. You clench up like an asshole and you hold until the rest of the body is screaming bloody murder! You don't fucking give up. You hold and hold and hold again. You don't fund a fucking thing they want until you get what YOU want. That's how Tip O'Neal did it, and the same method would have worked for us.

404 With both the Senate and the House in our control and people supporting us and demanding the law be "fixed"? Quite a bit. And then in 2016 if we can take the presidency, all of it. Posted by: JackStraw at October 29, 2013 09:37 AM (g1DWB) God loves an optimist.

405 My involvement with the spring replacement: wait for repair guy and pay repair guy. It was both springs on one of our doors. The other doors are fine. Until they aren't. My last house was built in '87. The one door had the springs on the side. The original springs did not have the safety cable that will capture the spring if it breaks. When mine went out, it tore a nasty gash in the unfinished drywall. I hate to think what it would have done had it hit the car.

406 I've been saying for weeks that this isn't just a battle over Ocare. If we frame it properly, like Reagan did and like Cruz is trying, we can make this a referendum on big, our of control federal government and move that Overton Window ace always talks about. We can get rid of Obamacare but we need to win elections, the first coming next fall. And we need the support of the masses to do that. And now we have issue. All we need to do now is unite behind that message and start beating the libs over the head with it. We will never all agree on any candidate or representative. So what? At least on this issue everyone on our side of the aisle is in agreement. Let's go win next fall so we can get rid of this piece of shit law and then we can start the purges for those who aren't sufficiently conservative. Posted by: JackStraw at October 29, 2013 09:26 AM (g1DWB) Soooooooo, you are in the these are not the last 20+ years of actual results you are looking for camp? Because, you see, my mouth and I are sick of what the RNC has been doing in it. I. Do. Not. Believe. The. RNC. Will. Ever. Advance. Conservative. Principles. Is that clear enough? In point of fact, I don't agree that at least on this issue everyone on our side of the aisle is in agreement. Is that terribly cynical? Well, I think it's more that I have paid attention over the last several decades and it seems that every single time I'm told no no no we must fight that fight over there, not this one here, that fight over there is never fought. Hell, let's use the Wayback and go back to the mists of 2011 and the debt limit increase and weren't there solemn assurances made that this was it, no more and never again? Yeah. Uh huh. Sorry, but all my suspension of disbelief is currently being used by Sleepy Hollow with a strategic Karl Urban reserve. I have none left for the Serious You Guys this time it will totes work claims by Lowery, et al.

407 Yeah, I let the pro do that one. Non-trivial decapitation risk.

408 Moats: L.A.'s Newest Extreme Real Estate Trend



Only want one if I can turn it into a river of fire.  That'll keep the rifraff out.

409

We need loser pays here, and we also need true reform of how juries are impaneled.
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i misread that last word as impaled. and liked it better.

410

411 Ah....1995 software!

412 I couldn't finish BF3
They tried to make it all vehicles and it got boring
Arma2 was like that

Posted by: Navycopjoe at October 29, 2013 09:34 AM (BKR67)

My main gripe about DICE's single player side of Battlefield and Bad Company series is that they do a shitty job of it.  If you noticed, the SP game storyline feels like it deliberately forces you alone to do things and makes the game feel contrived and artificial.  CoD, for all it's faults, does a much better job at the SP than DICE.

The BF series is now nothing but stat whoring and social media.  DICE would do well to go back to the original BF1942 type game.  Take all the guns out of it.  Just have one gun per class, or make a small number of all-kit guns that anyone can use.  Drop the stats and the unlock bullshit and maybe you'll have better cooperation between teammates in MP games.  Right now, it's all about people doing shit on their own to claim medals and unlocks and achievements.  I'm done with BF.

413 >>Yes, there is a way to defund obamacare. You clench up like an asshole and you hold until the rest of the body is screaming bloody murder! >>You don't fucking give up. You hold and hold and hold again. You don't fund a fucking thing they want until you get what YOU want. You, yeah keep running with that. Meanwhile, you have now lost Freedom Works and Heritage Action. You are running to the right of the Tea Party. Good luck with that one.

414 "With both the Senate and the House in our control and people supporting us and demanding the law be "fixed"? Quite a bit. And then in 2016 if we can take the presidency, all of it."

So the GOP is going to fix it in a way that satisfies the electorate (and the Obama Administration), then they're going to scrap it.  That's our plan?

415 Everybody is gone now, so it's safe to say this: The short version is: hey, dummies, you're nothing if you can't win elections. Elections mean jack shit if there are no consequences for officials' regularly breaking the law. Pretending like elections mean something when Satan and his minions are running roughshod over the United States Code and the Constitution and the courts' rules and both legislative chambers' rules is an admission that observing or not observing the rule of law is a legitimate preference open to being settled at the polls. We are through the looking glass.

416 U.S. Intelligence Officials “Furious” With Obama For Throwing Them Under The Bus, Claiming He Didn’t Know They Were Spying On World Leaders… Throwing people under the bus is one of Barry’s favorite pastimes. Weasel Zippers

417 @354 Depends on the VM software you're using. I have a friend who has a Mac Pro running 4+ instances of Windows Server 2008 simultaneously using Parallels Desktop. He doesn't need to do anything to "keep them up", they all work just fine.

418 Dropping pooey sock before moving on to dump thread, ironically. My yesterday's vid playlist, when you feel like watching. Zombies Take Over America The horror! Omigawww, the horror!!!! http://mindfulwebworks.com/radical/playlists/2013-10-28

419 >>I. Do. Not. Believe. The. RNC. Will. Ever. Advance. Conservative. Principles. Is that clear enough? In point of fact, I don't agree that at least on this issue everyone on our side of the aisle is in agreement. Is that terribly cynical? Well, I think it's more that I have paid attention over the last several decades and it seems that every single time I'm told no no no we must fight that fight over there, not this one here, that fight over there is never fought. Right. Because we now have gun control, amnesty, no sequester cuts, no Bush tax cuts being made permanent, etc.. Who do you think has been doing all those things, liberals? Yea, our guys aren't perfect and of course some need to go but f we don't get rid of Ocare we are well and truly fucked. And to do that we need to win. I'll say it again, the two most active Tea Party organizations in the country are now getting onboard and trying to work together instead of continuing the circular firing squad. This is more important than purity. No Republican is not going to fight to get rid of Ocare even if we don't always agree on tactics.

420 We don't like you. You don't like us. Third (opposition) party, now.

421

"So the GOP is going to fix it in a way that satisfies the electorate (and the Obama Administration), then they're going to scrap it. That's our plan?"

 

Don't be asking about plans.

 

Plans are for fucking  commie pussies.

 

"Merica.  Fuck Yeah.

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Only want one if I can turn it into a river of fire. That'll keep the rifraff out.

Posted by: NC Ref at October 29, 2013 09:42 AM (Myqtp)

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Throw in a couple water moccasin, electric eels and piranha and you won't find me within 2 miles of your house.

**shutter**

423 7. Based on a lie this is government theft of a product freely purchased by American citizens.

424 116 I've never had a bookstore clerk sniff at my purchases, but I remember, during the dog-eating crackhead's first inauguration, going to the post office to mail a package. When I got to the front of the line, the clerk said, "Wait a second," as she looked at something just out of my view. Then she turned back to me with a huge grin and said, "Dick Cheney's not vice-president any more." I debated with myself for a moment, then took my package back. "I'm going to miss him," I said. "And since I can use FedEx, I won't interrupt your gloating with my business." And I walked out. Haven't used that particular branch again. ------_ I knew there was a reason I always look forward to your comments! That was/is beautiful response!

425

This is the fault of the big insurance companies. Those companies are owned by bigger corporations, which means they are owned by multinational banks, which means that the money from raised health insurance premiums ends up in the pockets of "international bankers" who support Zionism and its illegal wars against the Palestinian people.

There can be no justice for the Palestinians as long as giant multinational banks have the ability to make money.

Support Palestine- support single-payer government health care in which these Zionist multibillionaires pay their share for social and economic justice.

426 One of the problems with vote by mail:

We are mandated to do vote by mail in WA state. I hate it. If someone can't bother to go to a polling place to vote, they have no business voting. Anyway, I get my mail at property that I own. For some reason, I didn't get my ballot, although my boyfriend got his. I called and asked to have another ballot sent out. THEN, they told me at work that my mail from them was being returned. The mail carrier, on his own, had decided that my mail was undeliverable and was returned.

I went to the Post Office to complain (after calling and being routed to a supervisor's voice mail.) They tried to tell me that it was okay for the employee to decide that I couldn't receive mail at that address. When I mentioned that I thought they were deliberately trying to keep me from getting my ballot, they brought out the supervisor. Of course, he told me it was just human error and that he'd talk to the carrier. I told him that they are still delivering mail to people that haven't lived at that address for years and won't stop, even though I've refused the mail. He seemed to think that was just human error.

I've requested ballot number three and I noticed that the carrier did have my name on the box again. We'll see if this one comes through. I told the supervisor that I will file a complaint if I don't get it. Just be aware that receiving mail from Hillsdale College can prompt this sort of behavior from mail carriers.

427 Right. Because we now have gun control, amnesty, no sequester cuts, no Bush tax cuts being made permanent, etc.. Who do you think has been doing all those things, liberals? Yea, our guys aren't perfect and of course some need to go but f we don't get rid of Ocare we are well and truly fucked. And to do that we need to win. I'll say it again, the two most active Tea Party organizations in the country are now getting onboard and trying to work together instead of continuing the circular firing squad. This is more important than purity. No Republican is not going to fight to get rid of Ocare even if we don't always agree on tactics. Posted by: JackStraw at October 29, 2013 09:52 AM (g1DWB) Those are your attempts at examples of moderate victories since 2000? Really, that's the very very very best you can do? Gun control. Pat. Motherfucking. Toomey. The only reason why gun control did not pass is because those horrible purists hold everyone's feet to the damn fire and make the consequences for voting otherwise severe indeed. Pat Motherfucking Toomey sure as shit would have sold conservatives out on this. It's not the moderate middle who said fuck you next question re: gun control. Amnesty. Really? Really, you are bringing up amnesty as an RNC victory advancing conservative principles? What the hell? You do understand that we are in the situation we are in now because every single solitary promise made in the 1986 amnesty vote has been broken, right? Oh, hey, that fence on the border sure is coming along nicely, isn't it? No sequester cuts. In exchange for sequester, we got what, exactly? An effectively unlimited debt ceiling raise? Because, you see, looking back over that entire situation, that's where we ended up. Bush tax cuts being made permanent. I will concede, at least partially, that this is something of a victory. Oh. Wait. Why were those cuts necessary in the first place? *taps chin a lot* I have no problem with strategic alliances to get rid of Obamacare. But stop it, just stop it already with acting as if the horrible terrible purist wing arose only because of this issue. It didn't and you know full damn well it did not and it's embarrassing watching the intellectual contortions you (specific you) are attempting in order to act as if it is otherwise. I will reiterate, because, shockingly, it seems I have not yet been clear enough. It is time for the moderates to sit down and shut up and take their turn in being good team players. You (generic RNCish you) want me on your team for Obamacare? Okay. Fine. Then tell me, and give me reason to believe, why I should think that the second that is done you aren't going to shiv me in the face. Because I don't believe that.

428 Go stalk some grandparents. Posted by: sven10077 at October 29, 2013 08:15 AM (9jfyN) Geebers sven, what the hell did I ever do to you??? /s

429 Republicans LOST before the Tea Party even existed. It WON when it got charged up by the Tea Party. Then it LOST again when it told the Tea Party to fuck itself.

We keep getting lectures about "winning" by people who've made a career out of losing. Republicans do not know how to win. Why would any person with 2 brain cells believe them, Gabe?

Really, we're getting lectures about winning by the geniuses who brought us Dole and McCain?

430 >>Those are your attempts at examples of moderate victories since 2000? Really, that's the very very very best you can do? No, Simply the first few things that popped into my mind that happened in the last couple years, not since 2000. You might have noticed we had a couple wars during Bush's years that everyone here supported. Who do you think paid for those? Aside from entitlements, which got derailed in Bush's second term, that was the bulk of the new spending. How about you stop already with putting words in my mouth. I'm neither a moderate nor a Tea Party member. I'm a conservative Independent who would like to see conservative principles moved forward and that only happens if we win. Yes, it would be better if only True Conservatives won but we don't live in a country of True Conservatives in the majority. We need more not less support. And that means we start to realize we have some things in common with people who are less conservative than us and nothing in common with liberals. Winning is good. Losing sucks.

431 I don't like Eric Ericson, but he says what I have been thinking. That the National Review has abandoned Buckley, and its only a matter of time before they apologize for Goldwater. Gabriel - Cruz was right. If the Republicans in the senate had held out for another week, the dems senators would have peeled away. It was your side that was wrong, and a lot more people than a bunch of Federal Employees, who enjoyed a nice Fall vacation (and bonus, in many cases!) will be suffering now.

432 I want to know when conservatism became partly defined as winning and losing elections? Sure, it's part of the strategy. But conservatism, what it is and what it means, really has nothing to do with winning elections. Its a way of thinking, and honestly, it's more important to explain the way of thinking and understand it and then proceed to live ones life by it, than it is to win elections.

433 " hey, dummies, you're nothing if you can't win elections." This applies the the GOP establishment (spare me the usual "what establishment you babbling lunatic?" bullshit.) as much as anyone else. You lost a lot. You can't win elections. You ARE Nothing. That is the essential argument of the Tea Party. The GOP is dead, and it should STFU, go towards the light, and stop bothering Haley Joel Osment with its pitiful delusions. You "won" your way into a pit, the tea party helped you out out of it, you stabbed them in the back, and then you "won" your way right back into the same pit again. You're done. You fucked up. You trusted your selves. C'est fin.

434 Any tent big enuf for Meggy McCain is too big for me.  Buh bye.