October 30, 2013

Top Headline Comments 10-30-13
— Gabriel Malor

Happy Wednesday.

Sen. Lee gave a heckuva speech yesterday at Heritage, which sounds an awful lot like that Ponnuru and Lowry piece from NR I linked yesterday.

If our generation of conservatives wants to enjoy our own defining triumph, our own 1980 – we are going to have to deserve it. That means sharpening more pencils than knives. The kind of work it will require is neither glamorous nor fun – and sometimes it isn’t even noticed. But it is necessary.

To deserve victory, conservatives have to do more than pick a fight. We have to win a debate. And to do that, we need more than just guts. We need an agenda.

The transcript is here, or you can watch the video here. It's well worth your time.

Also, Ponnuru put up a response to Erickson's criticism.

ICYMI, Ace put up an open thread last night that's full of Obamacare news and links that really should be clicked. Some crazy stuff in there.

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1 Hola

Posted by: dogfish at October 30, 2013 02:53 AM (nsOJa)

2 DAY 358 1,103 to go (1,174 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, McConnell's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 02:55 AM (uf1pv)

3 Good Morning Morons.  Today is Wednesday, October 30, 2013.  On this day in 1534 Parliament passed the Act of Supremacy making the King head of the Church. (Church of England now).   That continues to this day. In the US this is the Episcopal Church, which was formed after the revolution.  I am assuming that they do not consider the reigning monarch to be the head of their church.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 02:55 AM (zZbNF)

4 Semenlius will go back to congress and stonewall some more today.  Hard to defend the indefensible.

http://tinyurl.com/jvqguy9

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 02:56 AM (zZbNF)

5 Coburn hits the NPS for waste and stuff.  But I like this opening in the story.

Taxpayers shell out $52,000  a year to maintain the home of Black History Month founder Carter Woodson. Yet the tiny, dilapidated row house in northwest Washington D.C., with a "No Trespassing" sign and iron bars blocking the front door and windows hasnÂ’t seen a visitor in the seven years since the National Park Service bought it  for $2.1 million and designated it a National Historic Site.

Let's see, we paid $2.1M for a shack in DC, its boarded up with nobody doing anything to it and it costs us $52K a year for that.  Does anyone not see what this is?  And I'll tell you, it is NOT wasteful spending, or at least that is not all it is.

And one wonders if this is what Teddy Roosevelt had in mind when he established the national parks.

http://tinyurl.com/ocpvuoz


And besides spending millions on a shrine for someone that virtually nobody ever heard of, we are spending millions on a park dedicated to soiled dresses and cigars.


What ever happened to sequester?

http://tinyurl.com/mvlmskk

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 02:56 AM (zZbNF)

6 Gabe, I read the Ponnuru/Lowery piece and most of Lee's. I don't see the parallels, especially in light of Lee's partnership with Cruz in the shutdown O-care debate. But that's just me...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 02:56 AM (uf1pv)

7 CA town doesn't like chili sauce factory smell. They aught to have one of those big hog farms or a big chicken barn.

http://tinyurl.com/o6elmhs

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 02:56 AM (zZbNF)

8 Scrunt McCaskill hits pentagon over fake fallen soldier ceremonies.

http://tinyurl.com/kmoucae

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 02:57 AM (zZbNF)

9 McShitty:  We RINOs will finish selling you out on amnesty after the primaries.  Hey folks, remember that when the primaries come up.  If anyone has a hint of RINO, bust them.

http://tinyurl.com/lfajxdm

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 02:57 AM (zZbNF)

10 CO Towns have new tax revenue coming in!  Is there any hint of them lowering the existing taxes because of the new?   Hahahahahaha

http://tinyurl.com/lnxll95

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 02:57 AM (zZbNF)

11 Religion of peace  rape:  13 year old girl crawls from grave after being raped and buried alive.

http://tinyurl.com/pphhegz

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 02:57 AM (zZbNF)

12 Government thugs to owner of business they just shutdown and trashed: "trust us".  

http://tinyurl.com/n4b7ccv

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 02:58 AM (zZbNF)

13 George Will: Obamacare supporters ‘are pioneering new dimensions of sophistry’



Why don't you say it like it is George?  They are all liars.

http://tinyurl.com/ky553u4

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 02:58 AM (zZbNF)

14 Another report of Obama Gestapo trying to silence insurance companies over Obamacare rollout problems.

http://tinyurl.com/ms255zk

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 02:58 AM (zZbNF)

15 This should give everyone a hint as to whether or not the Dems will ever support killing this mess.  As I said a few days ago, they have been trying to get this commie train wreck since the days of FDR and they will never turn it lose.

Remember failures of communism are never the fault of communism; it's the fault of the process that fails.

http://tinyurl.com/lph2xu5

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 02:58 AM (zZbNF)

16 At the last minute Congress exempts their staff from Obamacare.  Hey, why can't they exempt the entire country?

http://tinyurl.com/nm4ju5t

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 02:59 AM (zZbNF)

17 11 Religion of peace rape: 13 year old girl crawls from grave after being raped and buried alive. http://tinyurl.com/pphhegz Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 06:57 AM (zZbNF) But multiculturalism prevents us from criticizing them because, racist!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 02:59 AM (uf1pv)

18 Jeff Sessions questions another no-bid contract for running money to Chicago cronies.  So they drop it Â…Â…. This time.

http://tinyurl.com/kguzdzh

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 02:59 AM (zZbNF)

19 Civil war in Syria caused by Global Warming! I don't even think Al Bore is this stupid.  And remember, he will be the head of the Church of England soon.

http://tinyurl.com/lwmxvec

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 02:59 AM (zZbNF)

20 Good morning

And Vic It's the religion of pieces.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 30, 2013 02:59 AM (MnSla)

21 MSNBC scrunt "GOP wants gov so small it can be vaginally inserted". Why not babe, you stick everything else that is filthy in there.

http://tinyurl.com/luo4rce

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 02:59 AM (zZbNF)

22 Illegal activists backed by the unions want the "Human Rights" groups to monitor Obama's deportation policies.  As I recall he isn't deporting anyone except Christian Germans who want to home school. And also remember who is on that Human Rights panel.  And the RINO leadership wants to let in permanently another 30M+ of these asswipes.

http://tinyurl.com/l4yypoo

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 03:00 AM (zZbNF)

23 McShitty trying to heap praise on Cankles.

http://tinyurl.com/m2ud94k

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 03:00 AM (zZbNF)

24 WaEx doesn't think there is much hope for a Grand Bargain" (whatever that means).  I say there is a 100% probability that the RINO leadership will sell us out.

http://tinyurl.com/llpatus

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 03:00 AM (zZbNF)

25 Daily Deals

Maybe interesting book on Davy Crockett

http://tinyurl.com/kaov3ln



That's it for today folks.   Ran out of time again 'cause slept late.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 03:01 AM (zZbNF)

26 Islam is just socialism without the hippie chicks.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 03:01 AM (uf1pv)

27 Of course, while Lee intimates that everyone has the best interest if their constituents at heart, McCain openly admits that many Republicans are lying tontheirnconstituents and will vote for amnesty once the primary season is over. http://tinyurl.com/lfajxdm

Posted by: Boone at October 30, 2013 03:02 AM (tIyK2)

28 17 But multiculturalism prevents us from criticizing them because, racist!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 06:59 AM (uf1pv)


They can "try" but I pay no attention to the PC crowd except to castigate them as fools and charlatans.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 03:04 AM (zZbNF)

29 Ponnuru just hand waved past Erickson's criticism of NR as a cheerleader for the GOP. Weak, but not unexpected.

Posted by: Andy at October 30, 2013 03:05 AM (0ZQCB)

30 Winning the debate sure as hell doesn't always mean winning an election.

Posted by: NCKate at October 30, 2013 03:05 AM (cdd1u)

31 Oh, wait, were Lowery and Ponorru advocating winning a debate? My mistake.

Posted by: MTF at October 30, 2013 03:05 AM (Wp/g8)

32 Gonna go fix some breakfast. bbl

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 03:05 AM (zZbNF)

33 "Erickson claims that the point of our essay was to 'tell conservatives to stop fighting until they win'..." Erickson makes some good points now and then but for the most part he comes across more and more as go along to get along republican. The more that people bite from this crap sammich that the Democrats have served up the better the chances are that it will be rejected in totality. The only problem is that with every bite, the healthcare infrastructure, the economy and people who didn't want this suffer. More importantly the federal importantly: the parasite that the federal government has become gets bigger and more entrenched. So far, for the most part only the self-employed (the 'rich') and people on pensions are biting the bullet. Wait until the employer mandate goes into effect. Interestingly enough, congress staffers have been exempted.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 30, 2013 03:06 AM (60Vyp)

34 The GOP agenda should be the Constitution.  Less government, more freedom.  But since they don't believe in that, why bother.  Just yell "Free Stuff" like the donks.

Posted by: Case at October 30, 2013 03:08 AM (o00SF)

35 CA town doesn't like chili sauce factory smell. They aught to have one of those big hog farms or a big chicken barn. http://tinyurl.com/o6elmhs Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 06:56 AM (zZbNF) And if the company closed it down, all we would hear about is how uncaring they are for taking jobs away.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at October 30, 2013 03:08 AM (rpnNZ)

36 From a commenter at NRO:

"Big government has been like taking a rhinoceros in as a house pet. The problem people like me have with the likes of Lowry and Ponnuru is that they seem to spend their time explaining how to better train the rhinoceros. They have lost sight altogether that OUR solution is to get rid of the rhino and replace it with a pet of more manageable size, like a dog or cat."

Pretty good stuff.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at October 30, 2013 03:08 AM (jpc8l)

37 Yes, let's pretend that even if we had a fully formed agenda that assholes like John McCain wouldn't still call us wacko-birds.

Posted by: DangerGirl at October 30, 2013 03:10 AM (GufPw)

38

"To deserve victory..."

 

evidently, we're not worthy enough for Sen. Lee's Agenda.

Posted by: dDan at October 30, 2013 03:11 AM (hwYmz)

39 Hashnish PooPoo real man of genius.....

"just win baby"

and do what?

Posted by: sven10077 at October 30, 2013 03:12 AM (slUDg)

40 From The NR response: The problem with his comparison is that it assumes that WFB and Goldwater failed not only to move American politics rightward but even to change the ideological complexion of the Republican party. ItÂ’s a dubious homage, and one that grapples with no evidence at all. So you can only undertake an action when you 'know' what the response will be. I highly doubt WFB and Goldwater knew what was going to happen back then. In other words, we need to trust NR's political instincts and ignore actual policy. This is the major problem with the punditry - they think that they understand human nature well enough to see the future. This astounding arrogance is the real reason the GOP is in the wilderness, not 'purity.'

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 30, 2013 03:13 AM (kdfQ/)

41 4 Vic,

it's easy when you pull six figures to be unclear.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 30, 2013 03:14 AM (slUDg)

42 why do I feel like I have pencils in my eye after reading Gabe's post. Maybe I'm just grumpy this morning. But if memory serves me right, we aren't the ones picking the damn fight, we're barely invited to the fight.

Posted by: spypeach at October 30, 2013 03:14 AM (10H0T)

43 Who is telling McCain and Graham and Cornyn to put the knives away and STFU? Prebius? Anyone?

Posted by: Thunderb at October 30, 2013 03:15 AM (zOTsN)

44 Daily Deals Maybe interesting book on Davy Crockett http://tinyurl.com/kaov3ln Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 07:01 AM (zZbNF) Also, a book by James Lee Burke. Everyone should read something by him. He is one of the great modern, American novelists.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at October 30, 2013 03:15 AM (rpnNZ)

45 We do have a fully formed agenda. The problem is that the Democrats like McCain and Obama and Graham and McConnell REALLY don't like our agenda.

Posted by: Phinn at October 30, 2013 03:15 AM (RfL9P)

46 40 Bevel L,

the other con is that like magic one day sleeper cells of Snarlin' Arlens will wake up and unleash the conservative beast.....

our party has not rolled back any set of out of control regulatory fiat.

We can'teven get EPA to let us use our coal.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 30, 2013 03:16 AM (slUDg)

47 why do I feel like I have pencils in my eye after reading Gabe's post. Maybe I'm just grumpy this morning.

Nah, it's just that Gabe loves trolling the blog.

Posted by: GMan at October 30, 2013 03:17 AM (sxq57)

48 Is this a bleg not to dump establishment pubs?

Posted by: Thunderb at October 30, 2013 03:17 AM (zOTsN)

49 When people like George Will and Krauthammer claim they couldn't figure out Obama until 5 weeks into his first term speaks volumes as to the problem with the establishment GOP and the putatively "conservative" media pundits.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 03:18 AM (uf1pv)

50 Bevel, he also presumes that eternal vigilance isn't required to keep the GOP pushed rightwards.

Posted by: Andy at October 30, 2013 03:18 AM (0ZQCB)

51 Is this a bleg not to dump establishment pubs?

Yeah, basically.

Screw that though.  We need to get rid of as many of the lying bastards as we can.

Posted by: GMan at October 30, 2013 03:18 AM (sxq57)

52 What? Is McCain threatening to leave the party? He did that a long time ago

Posted by: Thunderb at October 30, 2013 03:18 AM (zOTsN)

53 48 ThunderB,

part of an ongoing series....

we can "not move our agenda" just as easily without the mules in pachydrm clothes

Posted by: sven10077 at October 30, 2013 03:19 AM (slUDg)

54 GOP reps don't have enough balls to vote for amnesty that close to election. McCain is delusional.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at October 30, 2013 03:19 AM (fCSG1)

55 52 What? Is McCain threatening to leave the party? He did that a long time ago Posted by: Thunderb at October 30, 2013 07:18 AM (zOTsN) Oh PLEASE make that happen!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 03:19 AM (uf1pv)

56 McVain and the rest of the surrender caucus will fall in line, once they realize its the only way to still get quoted in the papers. All we have to do is knock off a few members of their cabal, give Lee and Cruz some reinforcements, and the tenor of the argument will change considerably. Beating Graham looks like an excellent place to begin, if you ask me. What are the chances?

Posted by: MTF at October 30, 2013 03:19 AM (Wp/g8)

57 38 "To deserve victory..."

evidently, we're not worthy enough forSen. Lee's Agenda.

Posted by: dDan at October 30, 2013 07:11 AM (hwYmz)


Lee internalize too much of the dishonest critic. Cruz is better at holding the line.

It's not about "to deserve" , it's an unfair fight against tyrants, it's about fully acknowledge the evil of the enemy both inside and outside the party an adapt.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at October 30, 2013 03:19 AM (AWmfW)

58 Another scolding from our betters who aped dem policies and got us here in the first place? That agenda?

Posted by: Thunderb at October 30, 2013 03:22 AM (zOTsN)

59 Cupcake shop referred to as Obamacare provider.
http://t.co/jmn354r4X8

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 30, 2013 03:22 AM (hO8IJ)

60 38 "To deserve victory..." evidently, we're not worthy enough forSen. Lee's Agenda. Posted by: dDan at October 30, 2013 07:11 AM (hwYmz) Let's not destroy someone like Mike Lee because of a poor choice of words from one sentence of one speech. He is a tremendous leader and fighter for the cause.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 03:22 AM (uf1pv)

61 Lee is trying to make nice Ok So where are the gestures from McCain and Graham and Cornyn?

Posted by: Thunderb at October 30, 2013 03:24 AM (zOTsN)

62 I always get National Review and New Republic mixed up.

These days, I'm not sure why I should need to know the difference. 

Posted by: BurtTC at October 30, 2013 03:24 AM (BeSEI)

63 If our generation of conservatives wants to enjoy our own defining triumph, our own 1980 – we are going to have to deserve it. That means sharpening more pencils than knives. The kind of work it will require is neither glamorous nor fun – and sometimes it isn’t even noticed. But it is necessary. To deserve victory, conservatives have to do more than pick a fight. We have to win a debate. And to do that, we need more than just guts. We need an agenda. ----------------- I have an agenda - to support your primary challenger. All you careerist fuckbags need to be composted. Hopefully Lowry and Ponnuru will toss themselves on the funeral pyres of your congressional careers. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I am looking forward to DrewM's rebuttal smackdown.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, True RINO at October 30, 2013 03:25 AM (OvLof)

64 62 I always get National Review and New Republic mixed up. These days, I'm not sure why I should need to know the difference. Posted by: BurtTC at October 30, 2013 07:24 AM (BeSEI) American Spectator, American Thinker and IBD editorials are my go-to sites.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 03:25 AM (uf1pv)

65 It's a bizarro world when someone who's pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, and pro-cannabis is also pro-borders/deportation, anti-tax, anti-taxpayer payer health care, anti-global warming, and generally just anti-government bigger than it was when Carter arrived in 1977. 

Posted by: SFGoth at October 30, 2013 03:25 AM (uGmb7)

66 The short sightedness of the go along Rino crowd is tiring. The mere fact that someone is willing to argue for the conservative position is in its own a worthy endeavor.

Posted by: dogfish at October 30, 2013 03:26 AM (nsOJa)

67
Let's not destroy someone like Mike Lee because of a poor choice of words from one sentence of one speech.

He is a tremendous leader and fighter for the cause.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 07:22 AM (uf1pv)


No one is destroying him. But he shows a naivety about what is going on.

It's not a debate , it's a war.


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at October 30, 2013 03:26 AM (AWmfW)

68 Oh that's right McCain's gesture is to shive us in the back after the primaries He is assuming dem gains Yes let's cowtow to him

Posted by: Thunderb at October 30, 2013 03:26 AM (zOTsN)

69 59 Cupcake shop referred to as Obamacare provider.
http://t.co/jmn354r4X8

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 30, 2013 07:22 AM (hO8IJ)


I get they want you to have a cupcake and a limo ride to the funny farm.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 30, 2013 03:27 AM (MnSla)

70 As William J. Clinton might have phrased it, this whole discussion hinges upon "what the meaning of 'we' is." Or perhaps Tonto said it better.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2013 03:28 AM (N/Sup)

71 The fact is, people like McCain, Graham, and their ilk don't really want me in the party. They'll tolerate me as long as I shut my mouth and vote for them but they aren't interested in my ideas, my plan, my agenda at all. That's what they've proven to me every time they spit in my face and call me names.

Posted by: DangerGirl at October 30, 2013 03:28 AM (4Vr+0)

72 67 No one is destroying him. But he shows a naivety about what is going on.It's not a debate , it's a war. Posted by: Temper Tantrum at October 30, 2013 07:26 AM (AWmfW) I don't think he's naive. But I would agree that I'd rather he fired away with guns blazing than try to strike a reconciliatory tone. That was not a good move. But on policy and when it counts, Lee's done all the right things to this point.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 03:28 AM (uf1pv)

73 "Give me liberty or give me death" would be poo pooed by the likes of McCain and his apologists as a losing position.

Posted by: dogfish at October 30, 2013 03:29 AM (nsOJa)

74 get  guess

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 30, 2013 03:29 AM (MnSla)

75 I have no doubt McCain will switch parties after the election

Posted by: Thunderb at October 30, 2013 03:30 AM (zOTsN)

76 Islam is just socialism without the hippie chicks. Posted by: J.J. Sefton
...........
But, do we get to wear bell-bottoms again?

morning!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 30, 2013 03:30 AM (b/lt+)

77 72 Danger Girl,

quite...shut up and let me moderatebay bee....

//Juan McQueeg

Posted by: sven10077 at October 30, 2013 03:31 AM (slUDg)

78 72 -

I think you are correct, but it's even worse than that.  They don't care about you.  They never have.  Since the beginning of this session,  their number one goal has been to purge themselves of those pesky Tea Party types.

It's more important to them than anything else, and anything that serves that purpose, they are for.  That's the one consistent truth we can observe from this congress. 

Posted by: BurtTC at October 30, 2013 03:32 AM (BeSEI)

79 77 I have no doubt McCain will admit he switched  parties after the election

Posted by: Thunderb at October 30, 2013 07:30 AM (zOTsN)


accuracy.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 30, 2013 03:32 AM (MnSla)

80

Morning, erons and eronettes.  Since itfs almost Hallowefen, how about a horror movie story?

 

 

During the making of 1942s The Ghost of Frankenstein, Lon Chaney, Jr.* suddenly had a (youfll forgive the joke) brainstorm.  He went to director Erle Kenton and said, gSay, letfs have the movie end with the monster melting right down before your eyes in the fire!h

 

 

gFine!h growled Kenton.  gSo what do we start the next Frankenstein with?  A grease spot?h

 

 

And herefs a little cheesecake for you - Evelyn Ankers, called gQueen of the Screamersh thanks to her vocal talent. The leading lady of many Universal horror movies during the 1940Œs Ankers was cast with Lon Chaney Jr. not just in The Ghost of Frankenstein, but also in The Wolfman and Son of Dracula.

 

http://tinyurl.com/mw4camu

 

Hope you all have a wonderful day.


 

*Chaneyfs real name was Creighton Chaney, but when he signed with Universal (his fatherfs old studio), his name was changed to capitalize on the elder Chaneyfs fame.


 

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 30, 2013 03:32 AM (zF6Iw)

81 I don't think he's naive. But I would agree that I'd rather he fired away with guns blazing than try to strike a reconciliatory tone. That was not a good move.

But on policy and when it counts, Lee's done all the right things to this point.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 07:28 AM (uf1pv)


He should talk about that the enemy use soviet style subversive methods to undermine freedom. Take the Zimmerman lynching trial as an example.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at October 30, 2013 03:32 AM (AWmfW)

82 I have no doubt McCain will switch parties after the election Posted by: Thunderb at October 30, 2013 07:30 AM (zOTsN) He won't. He craves the attention he gets from being the "maverick" Republican. If he switched sides, he would be just another mainstream Dem, so no one would care. Same with his daughter. She would die if people started treating her as common.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at October 30, 2013 03:32 AM (QR7wx)

83 McCain has already switched parties.

Posted by: NCKate at October 30, 2013 03:32 AM (cdd1u)

84 21 MSNBC scrunt "GOP wants gov so small it can be vaginally inserted". Why not babe, you stick everything else that is filthy in there. http://tinyurl.com/luo4rce Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 06:59 AM (zZbNF) "Krystal Ball." We'll who's the one with the stripper name sweetheart?

Posted by: Citation X driver at October 30, 2013 03:33 AM (Sqmjr)

85 56 MTF,

35-40%....

he's in real trouble if enough of us convince people "by d if need be" it is 65% or better

Posted by: sven10077 at October 30, 2013 03:33 AM (slUDg)

86 Fucking Pixy.  Well, I'm not going through that again.  Every little box is meant to be an apostrophe.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 30, 2013 03:33 AM (zF6Iw)

87 Later folks.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 30, 2013 03:35 AM (MnSla)

88 I'm back....


We will NEVER win a debate with the FSA, and that includes all these "Hispanics" that the RINO leadership wants to bring in the country and make voters.


And besides that, we have to do more than "win a debate".  Back when the Democrats insisted on nominating lackluster candidates that the public could not stomach we won and got the Bush/Rove combo.


How did that work out?  It destroyed the GOP name and reputation and gave us Obama. 


CHANGE.THE.PRIMARIES! (or die GOP)

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 03:36 AM (zZbNF)

89 Chaney's real name was Creighton Chaney, but when he signed with Universal (his father's old studio), his name was changed to capitalize on the elder Chaney' fame.
...........
His hair was perfect!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 30, 2013 03:36 AM (b/lt+)

90 "When people like George Will and Krauthammer claim they couldn't figure out Obama until 5 weeks into his first term speaks volumes as to the problem with the establishment GOP and the putatively "conservative" media pundits. " Hell, we all knew who and what he was from the moment he stuck his head out of the slime. Anybody who had paid the least attention knew. They fucking knew, they didn't want to buck the coronation.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 30, 2013 03:36 AM (qRD8F)

91 92 "When people like George Will and Krauthammer claim they couldn't figure out Obama until 5 weeks into his first term speaks volumes as to the problem with the establishment GOP and the putatively "conservative" media pundits. "

Hell, we all knew who and what he was from the moment he stuck his head out of the slime. Anybody who had paid the least attention knew. They fucking knew, they didn't want to buck the coronation. Posted by: Mr. Dave

The worst was Peggy Noonan.  She felated him as if she'd done some really bad windowpane and thought he was the incarnation of Reagan.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 30, 2013 03:39 AM (uGmb7)

92 There is only one item repeated multiple times on the agenda for an opposition party at this point: "You can't do that." Restore the rule of law. Without that, nothing else matters.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 30, 2013 03:39 AM (V3kRK)

93
Awkward family Halloween photos

SFGate: http://tinyurl.com/lo56mqs

OK, elephant head family is right in the uncanny valley between cool and creepy.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 30, 2013 03:40 AM (kdS6q)

94 Well, I'm not going through that again. Every little box is meant to be an apostrophe. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 30, 2013 07:33 AM (zF6Iw) **** Hey, at least you survived the 'apostro-lypse'.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2013 03:40 AM (N/Sup)

95 Yes, let's pretend that even if we had a fully formed agenda that assholes like John McCain wouldn't still call us wacko-birds.

 

Posted by: DangerGirl at October 30, 2013 07:10 AM (GufPw)

 

I'm second to no one in my loathing for the JEF, but I hate McStain with the heat of a thousand suns.  The only thing that asshole should be doing is praying for a happy death.  If I had my way, he'd be locked up where he couldn't hear the dogs bark, along with all of his other Capitol Hill "good friendsh."

 

Of course, I'd really like him to be pissing his pants as he watches the gallows being built outside his office, but you can't have everything.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 30, 2013 03:40 AM (zF6Iw)

96 To deserve victory, conservatives have to do more than pick a fight. We have to win a debate. And to do that, we need more than just guts. We need an agenda.

Last I checked, conservatism has an agenda. One of the items is repeal Obamacare.

Look - nobody disagrees that to win elections you generally need an agenda and need to win debates.  These are straw-man arguments.

This claim that all we do as conservatives is "pick fights" with "no agenda" is dishonest, it is childish and it is insulting.

Conservative won the debate within the republican party.  this is proven by the fact that all the GOP politicians give lip service to conservatism during election years.

The problem, the reason for the current fights, is that despite this, the GOP does not back up that lip service with any action. 

I'm sick of otherwise intelligent people saying stupid things and arguing that conservatives need to "stop just being mad" or "stop just picking fights" or "this is just a stupid fight over tactics".

That's idiotic.  It's insulting. It's dishonest.  What is the GOP's agenda (aside form winning elections)?  They tell us it is the same as the conservative agenda, but once in office, they don't follow through.

Example - name me the republican that ran on passing an amnesty?  Certainly not Rubio.  Not McCain.  You can't name me many.  In fact, you could name far more GOP politicians that ran explicitly against amnesty. Yet the party keeps trying to cram amnesty down our throats in between elections.  So - who is really lying about their agenda?  Who is picking fights? 

Same holds true with just about everything.  Spending cuts?  Remember the promises to cut spending?  What happened? 

This isn't just conservatives being angry for the sake of being angry.  This isn't an agenda less fight.  This is not a fight over tactics.  It is a fight to make the GOP do what it promises to do during elections.

Those, like Gabriel Malor, who want to claim otherwise - tell us, what is the GOP's true agenda?  Not the one they run on - which we have seen they have no interest in pursuing.  Tell us the true GOP agenda and then explain why we should support it. 

These people seem to think that because we are conservative, the GOP is entitled to our vote.  That is not how it works.  If the GOP is having trouble with conservatives, it isn't the conservatives fault.  Conservatives are consumers and have every right to not buy the product the GOP is trying to sell.  Claiming otherwise is asinine.

The GOP has nobody but itself and years of lying to blame for the fact that conservatives don't trust the GOP. This argument that we should somehow blindly trust the GOP is ridiculous.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at October 30, 2013 03:42 AM (sOx93)

97 MSNBC scrunt "GOP wants gov so small it can be vaginally inserted". Why not babe, you stick everything else that is filthy in there.  Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 06:59 AM

Fair enough. Democrats are pushing government that can be rectally inserted.

Of the two choices, I know which would appeal to me, but YMMV....

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 30, 2013 03:44 AM (kaGpp)

98 Actually MPPPP I thought your strange apostrophes were your attempt to make Lon Chaney lisp like McCain. I was thinking, "Hmmm, Chaney had a lisp?"

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 30, 2013 03:45 AM (qRD8F)

99 Posted by: Monkeytoe at October 30, 2013 07:42 AM (sOx93)

Hear Hear!

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at October 30, 2013 03:46 AM (AWmfW)

100 11 Religion of peace rape: 13 year old girl crawls from grave after being raped and buried alive. http://tinyurl.com/pphhegz Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 06:57 AM (zZbNF) Just another isolated incident.

Posted by: blindside at October 30, 2013 03:46 AM (WzWmY)

101

57:  Posted by: Temper Tantrum at October 30, 2013 07:19 AM (AWmfW)

 

60:  Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 07:22 AM (uf1pv)

 

wrong target perhaps, I'll take the hit and stand corrected.

 

what part of the Agenda does he think we lack?

Posted by: dDan at October 30, 2013 03:47 AM (hwYmz)

102 Hey lady, Apple never said, "if you like your phone, you can keep your phone!" http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/magazine/why-apple-wants-to-bust-your-iphone.html

Posted by: laowai at October 30, 2013 03:47 AM (1GI9B)

103 Also, a book by James Lee Burke. Everyone should read something by him. He is one of the great modern, American novelists. Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at October 30, 2013 07:15 AM (rpnNZ) I used to enjoy Burke until he went full moonbat leftard during the W administration.

Posted by: real joe at October 30, 2013 03:48 AM (xXhgd)

104
Covered California executive director Peter Lee told the Chronicle editorial board that he expects 800,000 to 900,000 Californiaans to lose their non-grandfathered private insurance policies on Dec. 31, thanks to the Affordable Care Act.

Lee argues that these individuals donÂ’t quite lose their plans, but that the plans they bought have annual end dates...

http://tinyurl.com/n46begq

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 30, 2013 03:49 AM (kdS6q)

105

Vic probably already linked this, but just in case...The dead not only vote.  They need healthcare, dammit!  The Left's seamy smarminess knows no bounds.  It's time for some smiting already; VA says 75% of Zerocare curious are pining for the fjords.

 

http://bit.ly/18BPoYS

Posted by: John Kasich, Doing the Lord's Work at October 30, 2013 03:49 AM (hrIP5)

106

So, this Mike Lee fellow is saying we've got to do more than bitch, moan and whine.  He even goes so far as to suggest we need to have a plan and sell it to the voters.

 

I don't know.  It sounds like some sort of communist plot to me.

 

Who even thinks like this?

Posted by: jwest at October 30, 2013 03:50 AM (u2a4R)

107

Posted by: John Kasich, Doing the Lord's Work at October 30, 2013 07:49 AM (hrIP5)

 

Off, off filthy John Kasich sock!

Posted by: RushBabe at October 30, 2013 03:50 AM (hrIP5)

108 Semenlius will go back to congress and stonewall some more today. Hard to defend the indefensible.

http://tinyurl.com/jvqguy9

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 06:56 AM (zZbNF)

**


Just another show trial Vic...does anything ever come out of these?? That shriveled up scrunt (Marilyn Tavenner) they had on yesterday was an embarrassment.



Posted by: dananjcon at October 30, 2013 03:51 AM (wmU4G)

109 Kasich! Don't even get me started. **mutter, mutter** Not you socking him, the real Kacish.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 30, 2013 03:53 AM (qRD8F)

110 107 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 30, 2013 07:49 AM (kdS6q)


They have already lost 500,000 and if congress doesn't step on HHS regulatory over-reach just about everybody in the country is going to lose their current health insurance next year.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 03:55 AM (zZbNF)

111 Just another show trial Vic...does anything ever come out of these?? That shriveled up scrunt (Marilyn Tavenner) they had on yesterday was an embarrassment.  Posted by: dananjcon at October 30, 2013 07:51 AM

Be patient! Even now, Issa is surely warming up for another Big Investigation!!11!eleventy!!

After all, he sure threw Teh Fear into Holder!

In Congress, they don't don't come any ballsier or more fearless than Issa! (which is one reason we are well and truly screwed....)

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 30, 2013 03:56 AM (kaGpp)

112 I think you are correct, but it's even worse than that. They don't care about you. They never have. Since the beginning of this session, their number one goal has been to purge themselves of those pesky Tea Party types.

---

I got a hilarious fundraising request from the GOP, penned by John McCain.  Imploring that I donate because we need to fight Obama and his agenda.  I needed to donate because we needed to make sure our "conservative ideals" were advanced.  From John effing McCain.  I was so pissed, I went to the GOPs website, clicked on their "contact us" web form and gave them a piece of my mind.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 30, 2013 03:56 AM (XB5Ak)

113 111 That shriveled up scrunt (Marilyn Tavenner) they had on yesterday was an embarrassment.


Posted by: dananjcon at October 30, 2013 07:51 AM (wmU4G)



Hey, Issa gets some TV time.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 03:56 AM (zZbNF)

114

Kasich! Don't even get me started. **mutter, mutter**

 

For his sudden turnaround, the NSA must have something realllly juicy.

Posted by: RushBabe at October 30, 2013 03:56 AM (hrIP5)

115 You know, I'm incredibly tired (and sick) of the Republicans also acting as if history began in 2008.  The rage of the base has been being stoked since at least 1980, if not before. 


Tell you what, Sen. Lee, I will accept your position that what is needed is more than a fight once, and only once, the RNC demonstrates by action not words that the RNC will actually go out there and fight.  The RNC has no credibility on that point.  None.  


Honestly, it's tremendously insulting to hear the Lowry camp act as if their approach was working perfectly fine until those meddling kids got in the way.  

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at October 30, 2013 03:57 AM (Gk3SS)

116

O/T, this is a lovely little story;  Top of the Pops from the year 200:

 

http://tinyurl.com/ovk4d26


 

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 30, 2013 03:57 AM (zF6Iw)

117 LOL just thought of something for a comeback on the above crap:


If we want to win we have to do more than preen in front of a TV camera

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 03:58 AM (zZbNF)

118 Posted by: Monkeytoe at October 30, 2013 07:42 AM (sOx93) Yes, thank you. This is exactly it. For almost 20 years I've been fighting to try and get the Republican party to be more conservative. All I have to show for it is bigger government, scars from the backstabbing and the monikers of racist and extremist thrown at me by people who are supposed to be on my side. If this is how they sell themselves, I am no longer buying.

Posted by: DangerGirl at October 30, 2013 03:58 AM (euACX)

119 #119, MPPPP -- I'm bettin' Vic found that a real toe-tapper back in the day!

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 30, 2013 03:59 AM (kaGpp)

120 Religion of peace rape: 13 year old girl crawls from grave after being raped and buried alive.

--

This is one of those times I wonder why G*d lets this kind of thing happen.  Why is this evil flourishing, thriving and growing in every country on this planet?  Pure, pure evil.  I wish I could, with malice, slowly peel the skin off the maggots that did this to that poor girl.  Then burn them alive.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 30, 2013 04:00 AM (XB5Ak)

121 122 #119, MPPPP -- I'm bettin' Vic found that a real toe-tapper back in the day!

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 30, 2013 07:59 AM (kaGpp)



Yes, I have it digitized on my Media Player library.  But that stone shit plays hell on my hard drive.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 04:01 AM (zZbNF)

122

Top of the Pops from the year 200:

 

--------------

 

And what fragments will still exist 2000 years from now?  I shudder to think some future guy will look at a Miley Cyrus video and think we all lived like that.

Posted by: @JohnTant at October 30, 2013 04:01 AM (eytER)

123 The last time the GOP had a real agenda it was the Contract With America and it produced real results. Then the first thing the careerist pukes did was start bitching about the term limits and undermining Newt. Every fucking one of those dickholes should've been smacked down at that point but instead they and their Rove enablers have been in the driver's seat.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at October 30, 2013 04:01 AM (K8N6v)

124

Gabe, I read the Ponnuru/Lowery piece and most of Lee's. I don't see the parallels, especially in light of Lee's partnership with Cruz in the shutdown O-care debate.

 

----------

 

Are you suggesting that Gabe mischaracterized a quote?

 

That never happens! 

 

Posted by: @JohnTant at October 30, 2013 04:02 AM (eytER)

125 123 This is one of those times I wonder why G*d lets this kind of thing happen. Why is this evil flourishing, thriving and growing in every country on this planet? Pure, pure evil. I wish I could, with malice, slowly peel the skin off the maggots that did this to that poor girl. Then burn them alive.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 30, 2013 08:00 AM (XB5Ak)



That question has been asked for more than a thousand years.  The best answer I have heard is than man has to have free will.  Without free will there can be no heaven to earn your way into.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 04:02 AM (zZbNF)

126 Be patient! Even now, Issa is surely warming up for another Big Investigation!!11!eleventy!!

After all, he sure threw Teh Fear into Holder!

In Congress, they don't don't come any ballsier or more fearless than Issa! (which is one reason we are well and truly screwed....)

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 30, 2013 07:56 AM (kaGpp)

**


Good TV for pol-junkies but totally pointless. Infuriating.


Posted by: dananjcon at October 30, 2013 04:03 AM (wmU4G)

127 It's not lying, it's spinning with style!

Posted by: To Infinity . . . And Beyond! at October 30, 2013 04:03 AM (BAS5M)

128 98 To deserve victory, conservatives have to ...win a debate...
need an agenda.

Last I checked, conservatism has an agenda. One of the items is repeal Obamacare."

Yes. I think part of the problem is with people like Gabe, Lowry and Ponnura is they live a cloistered life removed from how most of the conservative base sees the GOP Establishment. That prevents them from seeing you don't win the debate unless you take ***actions*** to convince the public you aren't just gaming them.

It's not enough to say, "things would be sooo much worse if we weren't here to have countered Obama with our incredible 4 dimensional chess," because that sounds like Obama saying the recession would be worse if not for him.

You have to take actions that draw a clear distinction.
 
 

Posted by: Salt Lick at October 30, 2013 04:03 AM (3SnWp)

129 Repubrinos are only interested in keeping their royal chamber seats. I really doubt Lee, Cruz, or Gohmert will get any support from repubrinos to save conservative principles. Could be getting close to rat-killing time.

Posted by: EROWMER at October 30, 2013 04:04 AM (OONaw)

130 118 -

I tend to start with the assumption that if a person  has chosen elective office as a career, they are already suspect.  People like Lee, I really have no reason to doubt his motives, but frankly he's already got that fishy smell,  by the mere fact that he sells fish for a living. 

So what's going on here?  Are people like Lee going to be assimilated into the GOP collective?  Is he giving in? 

Obviously we can't know that yet, but we do know the Mccains of this world, along with their sucking suckerfish NRO types are not going to give up fighting for THEIR agenda.

Which is... as far as I can tell, keep winning elections on our dime.  Keep getting  and giving reacharounds across the aisle, and keep those darned dirty Tea Party types quiet so  they can enjoy the chum left over when the Dems get finished eating their fill. 

Posted by: BurtTC at October 30, 2013 04:04 AM (BeSEI)

131 Between the so-called Justice Dept. and Obummers pardons there is not too much Issa can do anyway.

Posted by: Case at October 30, 2013 04:05 AM (o00SF)

132 I'll be honest, I don't much care for the Tea Party label. I am a Constitutional Republican, not the party Republican. I like the way it was designed, with a small central government wielding limited powers. A cafeteria of sovereign States where if you don't like how we do it in Texas, move somewhere that suits you. I am of the Leave Me The Fuck Alone Party. Maybe the next conservative rally should march on RNC headquarters.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 30, 2013 04:05 AM (qRD8F)

133 You have to take actions that draw a clear distinction.

Yes!  And if you take actions that contradict your words...guess which actually speaks louder.

Posted by: GMan at October 30, 2013 04:05 AM (sxq57)

134 "Hey, Issa gets some TV time."

I got a bad feeling they're going to hammer on the website and ignore the regulation writing that ace brought up, the cancellations, costs of the vast Medicare enrollees, etc.
With all the staff and shit these congressmen have they never seem to ask the right questions in these hearings.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 30, 2013 04:06 AM (IV4od)

135 I don't know. It sounds like some sort of communist plot to me. Who even thinks like this? Posted by: jwest at October 30, 2013 07:50 AM (u2a4R) ----------------- You do. From each HOA member according to his ability, to each HOA president, according to his whims. Steal from productive citizens to give $25K handouts for your Repopulate Detroit plan. There was a piece in The Atlantic yesterday calling for giving the Poor $3,000 cash hamdouts to "eliminate poverty." You got wood when you read that last one, didn't you?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, True RINO at October 30, 2013 04:06 AM (JDIKC)

136 What I took away from the transcript of Lee's speech is that the old lions and lionesses are and now that we need new ones to hold the pride togetther, the hyenas are killing them off every chance they get.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 30, 2013 04:06 AM (kXoT0)

137

Oh, and they "grandfathered" those insurance plans the same way they are going to "grandfather" you grandfathers out there once the IPAB gets up and running.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2013 04:08 AM (N/Sup)

138

If you like your grandfather, you can...

 

 

 

...well...

 

 

 

...kiss his wrinkly old ass goodbye!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2013 04:09 AM (N/Sup)

139 136  Yes! And if you take actions that contradict your words...guess which actually speaks louder."

Exactly. The public looks at 43 GOP House votes to repeal ObamaCare and then watches the GOP House back down in the shutdown fight, they get cynical (though not as cynical as the base).

Posted by: Salt Lick at October 30, 2013 04:09 AM (3SnWp)

140 @135.  You couldn't be more right, Mr. Dave!

Posted by: Case at October 30, 2013 04:09 AM (o00SF)

141 The best thing about Erickson's article was the WFB quote where he slattered most of the NRO crowd.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at October 30, 2013 04:09 AM (K8N6v)

142 Attention Republican officeholders: If you are not pushing your way to the cameras to pound on Obama's lies about keeping your healthcare, you are fucking up.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, True RINO at October 30, 2013 04:11 AM (JDIKC)

143 If we want to win we have to do more than preen in front of a TV camera

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 07:58 AM (zZbNF)

**


Paging Mr. Issa...Mr Issa. Lindsay Graham want his make-up boy back...



Posted by: dananjcon at October 30, 2013 04:12 AM (wmU4G)

144 141 ...kiss his wrinkly old ass goodbye!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2013 08:09 AM (N/Sup)



Heeeyyyy.....  I'm a grandpa, and about to become a Greatgrandpa.



Of course what I said yesterday, if it goes through and continues as it has been, I will either be dead or bankrupt.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 04:12 AM (zZbNF)

145 Hey lady, Apple never said, "if you like your phone, you can keep your phone!" http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/magazine/why-apple-wants-to-bust-your-iphone.html Posted by: laowai at October 30, 2013 07:47 AM (1GI9B) She's a moron. It's been two+ years since the 4S. I wonder what most people do with their cell phones every 2 years? It's the same as the much vaunted plan (T-Mobile, I think) where you don't pay a subsidized price for the phone. You pay a monthly fee until the phone is paid off after 2 years, then the fee drops off and you just pay for service. I wonder hwy they decided to have the pay off end at 2 years? Could it be that they know something about marketing and human nature?

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at October 30, 2013 04:13 AM (rpnNZ)

146 McCauliffe up by only 4 points in VA race?  Says one poll, according to Drudge.  Break out the trunks!

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 30, 2013 04:13 AM (XB5Ak)

147 Also, a book by James Lee Burke. Everyone should read something by him. He is one of the great modern, American novelists.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at October 30, 2013 07:15 AM (rpnNZ)

 

 

 

 

He  denies  the  press  is  liberal  and  seems  to  hold  all  the  lunatic  DU  beliefs.  I'll  pass,  I'm  not  supporting  another  lefty  asshole  with  my  money.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at October 30, 2013 04:15 AM (rXcBX)

148 I want to die the way my grandpa did... quietly, in my sleep...


Unlike the passengers in the car with him, who died  wide awake and screaming. 

Posted by: BurtTC at October 30, 2013 04:15 AM (BeSEI)

149 Also, a book by James Lee Burke. Everyone should read something by him. He is one of the great modern, American novelists. Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at October 30, 2013 07:15 AM (rpnNZ) I used to enjoy Burke until he went full moonbat leftard during the W administration. Posted by: real joe at October 30, 2013 07:48 AM (xXhgd) I try really hard to ignore those parts and enjoy the storytelling, but admittedly, they do piss me off sometimes.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at October 30, 2013 04:15 AM (rpnNZ)

150 I've had 100% employer paid insurance for 25 years. Once the employer mandates take effect I'll be looking at a minimum of 600.00/month.


Thank you Chocolate Jesus.


 

Posted by: dananjcon at October 30, 2013 04:15 AM (wmU4G)

151 From Mediaite, Fox and Friends this morning.

“That’s the grand design of Obamacare, to squeeze everyone out of their existing plans, to squeeze insurance companies so they have an option to cut and run from the American people and put everyone into the system,” Hasselbeck responded. “Why? Because everyone in the system has to pay for it. So if you don’t have anybody in the system, you got to get them in there. How do you do that? You squeeze them out of their existing situation.”

How sad is it that a half-wit like Elisabeth Hasselbeck has a better read on liberals and the purpose of Obamacare then Bill O'Reilly?

Posted by: lowandslow at October 30, 2013 04:15 AM (IV4od)

152

"Steal from productive citizens to give $25K handouts for your Repopulate Detroit plan."

 

This is what I can't understand.

 

Presently, Michigan taxpayers spend over $28K per pupil per year in ineffective union dominated public schools.  I proposed taking this money away from the public schools and giving it directly to the parents in a pure voucher.

 

For some reason, this form of capitalism is impossible to grasp for people here.  Apparently, there is no faith in the free market system and the ability of the private sector to provide options for the kids with these vouchers.  If there are no public schools, most people here can't imagine how kids are educated.

 

How is it that people can claim to be conservatives but not be able to even conceive of a system where parents make decisions about their children's education?

 

 

Posted by: jwest at October 30, 2013 04:15 AM (u2a4R)

153 McCauliffe up by only 4 points in VA race? Says one poll, according to Drudge. Break out the trunks!

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 30, 2013 08:13 AM (XB5Ak)

Don't worry, Alexandria, Arlington and Fairfax County will be breaking your heart next week.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at October 30, 2013 04:16 AM (JpC1K)

154 149 McCauliffe up by only 4 points in VA race? Says one poll, according to Drudge. Break out the trunks!

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 30, 2013 08:13 AM (XB5Ak)


Maybe Obama will finish off mcauliffe by his campaigning visit.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at October 30, 2013 04:17 AM (AWmfW)

155 "For some reason, this form of capitalism is impossible to grasp forpeople here."

I missed that in my econ textbook, what kind of capitalism is that again?

Posted by: lowandslow at October 30, 2013 04:19 AM (IV4od)

156 Don't worry, Alexandria, Arlington and Fairfax County will be breaking your heart next week. Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 30, 2013 08:16 AM (JpC1K) Aint that the truth. My mom always jokes about how I live in the "south" now. I keep telling her she'd feel right at home in NoVa.

Posted by: Mainah at October 30, 2013 04:20 AM (659DL)

157 We saved about 100 bucks a month by switching from Sprint to Virgin Mobile. About 36 bucks a month for unlimited text/data, but there's a maximum of like 300 or 500 minutes on voice calls. For another ten or 15 bucks I think you can get a lot more voice minutes I rarely use 100 voice minutes a month.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 30, 2013 04:20 AM (ZshNr)

158

"To deserve victory, conservatives have to do more than pick a fight. We have to win a debate. And to do that, we need more than just guts. We need an agenda."

 

 

I'm going to agree with that statement.  There must be a willingness, a desire to fight.  There also has to be an articulated "Why We Fight."

 

We cannot counter the MSM's 'Ooooo! Scary Extremists!' without being able to respond - again and again - with a program and why it is better than the Progressives' Edsel.  However an agenda goes nowhere with out the desire to fight and fight and fight again.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Get Your Vitriolic Harangues At The Outrage Outlet at October 30, 2013 04:20 AM (hLRSq)

159 #154 BOR is a complete imbecile on economics; the Cliff Clavin of Fox. Cavuto just laughs at how ignorant he is at times.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at October 30, 2013 04:20 AM (K8N6v)

160 That question has been asked for more than a thousand years. The best answer I have heard is than man has to have free will. Without free will there can be no heaven to earn your way into.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 08:02 AM (zZbNF)

 

***

 

 

Hmmm.   Better stick to headline commentary there Vic.  I'm not sure theology is your strong point.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2013 04:21 AM (N/Sup)

161 I missed that in my econ textbook, what kind of capitalism is that again?

Posted by: lowandslow at October 30, 2013 08:19 AM (IV4od)


ALERT!  ALERT!

Man reality stations!  Man reality stations!

Stand-by for Strawman and Non Sequitur in response.

Launch reality torpedoes!  Full logic spread. 

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at October 30, 2013 04:22 AM (JpC1K)

162 That question has been asked for more than a thousand years. The best answer I have heard is than man has to have free will. Without free will there can be no heaven to earn your way into.
Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 08:02 AM (zZbNF)


Huh?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at October 30, 2013 04:23 AM (JpC1K)

163 I think Lee is fighting the last war, one where we lived in a constitutional republic.

He did not once mention the lawlessness of TFG's administration.
If people are not eventually punished (I mean prison time) for what is going on now, nothing that conservatives do really matters.

Posted by: Dandolo at October 30, 2013 04:23 AM (0XBx+)

164

70% of the Federal Government is not fat, it's blubber. (excluding the military)  It's redundant.  Whole departments need to be cut.  The states have the same departments anyway.  Hell, we are trillion of dollars in debt, cut the blubber and do away with government unions so government workers can be fired when they cross the line.  Our government is suppose to be efficient not a jobs program.

Posted by: Case at October 30, 2013 04:24 AM (o00SF)

165 Looks  like I have started a religious war.


I have heard other explanations going all the way back to the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve.  Pick your religion and pick your reason why there is evil in some people's hearts and God allows it to happen.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 04:25 AM (zZbNF)

166 Aint that the truth. My mom always jokes about how I live in the "south" now. I keep telling her she'd feel right at home in NoVa.

Posted by: Mainah at October 30, 2013 08:20 AM (659DL)


Just tell her NoVA is the Cambridge of Virginia.  She'll move next week.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at October 30, 2013 04:25 AM (JpC1K)

167 Oh, and congrats on great grandpa-hood, Vic.  I do appreciate what you do with the headlines each day.   I was just rattling your chain on the theology bit.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2013 04:25 AM (N/Sup)

168 How sad is it that a half-wit like Elisabeth Hasselbeck has a better read on liberals and the purpose of Obamacare then Bill O'Reilly?

Posted by: lowandslow at October 30, 2013 08:15 AM (IV4od)

Can she run against some of the rinos? Peter King?


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at October 30, 2013 04:25 AM (AWmfW)

169 O'reilly is kind of full spectrum idiocy, he shares the obtuseness of his other Canisius alum, Michael Scheuer, an outage with Uverse has limited my contributions here and elsewhere,

Posted by: jeffrey felt at October 30, 2013 04:25 AM (8sqvd)

170 This is one of those times I wonder why G*d lets this kind of thing happen. Why is this evil flourishing, thriving and growing in every country on this planet? Pure, pure evil. I wish I could, with malice, slowly peel the skin off the maggots that did this to that poor girl. Then burn them alive.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 30, 2013 08:00 AM (XB5Ak)


It is baffling, is it not?  And yet the penalty coming to them is far worse than anything you or I could come up with, ma'am.  Keep praying for that little girl and rest assured that if we are that angry, God's vengeance will be something indeed.


I await that day with tears and fury.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at October 30, 2013 04:28 AM (l8d5F)

171 Pick your religion and pick your reason why there is evil in some people's hearts and God allows it to happen. You cannot create a being with free will and not allow them to act badly. Next.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at October 30, 2013 04:28 AM (659DL)

172 Hmmm. Better stick to headline commentary there Vic. I'm not sure theology is your strong point.

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I took him to mean that with free will comes the choice of good or evil.  You can't earn your way into Heaven by making the choice to be evil.  So evil must exist or there is no lesson to be learned, no cognizant choice to be made.  Unfortunately, a lot of sub-human humans don't learn it.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 30, 2013 04:28 AM (XB5Ak)

173 As to Lee's comments, the text of the speech indicates he believes fighting to be a good idea, and he doesn't regret the shutdown at all. It's very different from the NR piece, which was the sit back and let the pros handle it garbage that gets vomited out every time there is a confrontation with Democrats. How many IRS agents have the 'pros' gotten fired for targeting the constituents they supposedly care so much about? The 'pros' decided to work with democrats on immigration while that scandal was unfolding.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 30, 2013 04:28 AM (u5ozF)

174 Pick your religion and pick your reason why there is evil in some people's hearts and God allows it to happen.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 08:25 AM (zZbNF)


God "allows" it to happen because he respects the basic dignity of His creation.

He gave you a hammer, don't blame Him because you want to use it like a screwdriver.

(By "you" I mean the "editorial" you.  Not you personally.)

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at October 30, 2013 04:29 AM (JpC1K)

175 I cannot understand why my older brother watches Bill OÂ’Reilly. I canÂ’t watch him. He has an ego that is almost as big as SCOAMFs. All the FNC shows act like heÂ’s royalty. I will watch when Dennis Miller is a guest, on Wednesdays. I like Dick Cheney but wouldnÂ’t watch BillÂ’s show when he had our former VP on simply because of Bill. Vic, donÂ’t you have any good links today? I donÂ’t want to get disgusted with the SCOAMF & dems but thatÂ’s pretty much how I feel all the time about them. Good Morning! Carol

Posted by: CarolT at October 30, 2013 04:30 AM (z4WKX)

176

I've had 100% employer paid insurance for 25 years. Once the employer mandates take effect I'll be looking at a minimum of 600.00/month.


Thank you Chocolate Jesus.

 

You'd think you'd be thanking him!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 30, 2013 04:30 AM (zF6Iw)

177 From Senator Lee's speech: Because of that confident and deeply conservative choice – to argue rather than quarrel, to persuade rather than simply purge - the vanguards of the establishment never knew what hit them. The vanguards of the establishment learned from history, too.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 30, 2013 04:30 AM (V3kRK)

178 "169 70% of the Federal Government is not fat, it's blubber. (excluding the military) It's redundant. Whole departments need to be cut. "

You could cut the whole damn thing and it doesn't solve our debt problems. Our entitlement system needs to be drastically shrunk, not add to it with Obamacare.
And our military could use some serious streamlining also, quit giving the Pentagon a pass for their massive bureaucracy and waste.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 30, 2013 04:30 AM (IV4od)

179 70% of the Federal Government is not fat, it's blubber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_agencies

I was going to say "You could cut at least a third of these, and no one would notice except the people who collect checks" but then I realized how many people spend crazy amounts of time and money submitting paperwork to them just to keep their businesses open.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 30, 2013 04:31 AM (hO8IJ)

180

Well you know who is the master of this world, don't you, here I go waxing theological.

Posted by: jeffrey felt at October 30, 2013 04:31 AM (8sqvd)

181 Just tell her NoVA is the Cambridge of Virginia. She'll move next week. Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 30, 2013 08:25 AM (JpC1K) Heh. Yep!

Posted by: Mainah at October 30, 2013 04:31 AM (659DL)

182 He did not once mention the lawlessness of TFG's administration.
If people are not eventually punished (I mean prison time) for what is going on now, nothing that conservatives do really matters.

--

From the "good times, good times" edition, remember when a tape recording brought down the Nixon presidency?  What child's play.  If Barky were to do that today, the media would yawn and the public would never know about it.  That's how bad things are. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 30, 2013 04:32 AM (XB5Ak)

183 You can't earn your way into Heaven by making the choice to be evil.

You can't earn your way into Heaven...saved by grace, not by works.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 30, 2013 04:33 AM (hO8IJ)

184 170 Looks like I have started a religious war.

I have heard other explanations going all the way back to the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve. Pick your religion and pick your reason why there is evil in some people's hearts and God allows it to happen.
Posted by: Vic

Maybe pick no religion.  That might be the simplest explanation.  (BTW, Vic, doesn't your position (you have to earn your way to Heaven) conflict with Catholicism?)

Posted by: SFGoth at October 30, 2013 04:33 AM (uGmb7)

185 176 You cannot create a being with free will and not allow them to act badly. Next.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at October 30, 2013 08:28 AM (659DL)


Isn't that pretty close to what I said?

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 04:33 AM (zZbNF)

186 Celebrate John Adam's birthday by watching this scene from the movie -- most moving scene I know of in cinema:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrvpZxMfKaU

Posted by: Salt Lick at October 30, 2013 04:34 AM (3SnWp)

187 Isn't that pretty close to what I said? Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 08:33 AM (zZbNF) Yep. I like to talk.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at October 30, 2013 04:35 AM (659DL)

188 177 Unfortunately, a lot of sub-human humans don't learn it.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 30, 2013 08:28 AM (XB5Ak)



They have picked a bad and evil political philosophy that they call a religion.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 04:35 AM (zZbNF)

189 (BTW, Vic, doesn't your position (you have to earn your way to Heaven) conflict with Catholicism?)

Yes, but it does not conflict with Protestantism in most of its larger permutations.


Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at October 30, 2013 04:35 AM (JpC1K)

190 I  look  forward  to  reading  McStain's  obituary.  I  shall  laugh  and  the  sun  will  shine  ever  so  brightly  when  that  prick  falls  over  dead.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at October 30, 2013 04:35 AM (rXcBX)

191 #180 The best thing about BOR is that he gives Miller and Tammy Bruce a forum.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at October 30, 2013 04:36 AM (K8N6v)

192 From the "good times, good times" edition, remember when a tape recording brought down the Nixon presidency? What child's play. If Barky were to do that today, the media would yawn and the public would never know about it. That's how bad things are. There was a picture of JFK, RFK, and Teddy all carousing on a yacht with topless women. The media suppressed the picture because they knew JFK would lose the election if it got out. The American media's despicable nature goes back to the propaganda for Stalin in the 1930s, when they covered up the Terror Famine in the Ukraine.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 30, 2013 04:36 AM (BNuW6)

193

Ah, but free will does not mean that you get to choose whether or not you go to heaven by 'earning' it.  We choose whether or not to accept the redemption of Christ, God chooses whether or not to grant us his grace.  Evil is turning one's back on God.

 

 

 

(and I am no theologian, but I did drive past a Holiday Inn Express yesterday).

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2013 04:37 AM (N/Sup)

194 180  Posted by: CarolT at October 30, 2013 08:30 AM (z4WKX)


Good news is very rare since 2009.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 04:37 AM (zZbNF)

195 @177.  Yes.  I think Vic made a good point.  Not hard to understand at all.

Posted by: Case at October 30, 2013 04:37 AM (tjj0w)

196 189 Maybe pick no religion. That might be the simplest explanation. (BTW, Vic, doesn't your position (you have to earn your way to Heaven) conflict with Catholicism?)

Posted by: SFGoth at October 30, 2013 08:33 AM (uGmb7)


I wouldn't know, I am not a Catholic.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 04:38 AM (zZbNF)

197 Maybe pick no religion. That might be the simplest explanation. (BTW, Vic, doesn't your position (you have to earn your way to Heaven) conflict with Catholicism?) Faith and good works are necessary to enter heaven in Catholic theology. Faith alone was the major theological divide introduced by Luther.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 30, 2013 04:39 AM (BNuW6)

198 Yes, but it does not conflict with Protestantism in most of its larger permutations.


Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 30, 2013 08:35 AM (JpC1K)

 

 

Huh? 

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at October 30, 2013 04:39 AM (rXcBX)

199 New one up

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 04:41 AM (zZbNF)

200

70% of the Federal Government is not fat, it's blubber. (excluding the military) It's redundant. Whole departments need to be cut. The states have the same departments anyway. Hell, we are trillion of dollars in debt, cut the blubber and do away with government unions so government workers can be fired when they cross the line. Our government is suppose to be efficient not a jobs program.

 

Posted by: Case at October 30, 2013 08:24 AM (o00SF)

 

Good luck with that.  Even at the local level they're sucking on the fed tit:

 

IÂ’ve said it before and sadly I will say it again: the next time I praise the Timberlane School Board, someone please hit me with a wet noodle.  Tonight, Oct. 23, in a special meeting, the Timberlane School Board rescinded their vote of last week to recommend that the New Hampshire School Boards Association call for the elimination of the federal Department of Education.  Chairman Collins began the meeting by taking the floor and diving into his own presentation to rebut Mr. BarczakÂ’s presentation of the previous week, for which Mr. Collins was not in attendance.  Mr. Barczak tried to raise a motion to block reconsideration but Mr. Collins refused to cede the floor and continued with his Powerpoint. Afterwards Mr. Barczak countered Mr. CollinsÂ’ points and exceptionally lively discussion ensued.  It should be noted that the special meeting announcement did not provide notice of a reconsideration which, though not strictly required, would have been more forthright.

 

NOTICE OF SPECIAL MEETING
The Timberlane Regional School Board will meet on Wednesday, October 23, 2013 immediately following the 7:00 pm SAU Board meeting at the SuperintendentÂ’s Office, 30 Greenough Road, Plaistow, NH. The purpose of this meeting is to discuss their NHSBA Resolutions voted on at their October 17, 2013 Board meeting.

 

The word “propaganda” was used numerous times with respect to Mr. BarczakÂ’s material which was highly insulting to him and all those who believe, as I do, that federal involvement in education is a hindrance to achieving our own excellence. One member expressed the opinion that politics should not be part of school board matters to which Mr. Barczak responded that if we donÂ’t change the politics, we canÂ’t change our outcomes, and our outcomes nationally are flat lined academic achievement in the high school level for decades.  Well, Mr. Barczak, it was a fight worth having and my hat is off to you. [See TRSB Votes on Eliminating the DOE for his presentation.]

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 30, 2013 04:42 AM (zF6Iw)

201 Huh? Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at October 30, 2013 08:39 AM (rXcBX)


I knew I was going to get a comeback on that.  I should have been more clear.

By "larger permutations" I mean today's mega-churches.  There's a hell of a lot of "prosperity Gospel" flowing through those and they leave a lot of the "faithful" with the impression that you can buy your way in.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at October 30, 2013 04:42 AM (JpC1K)

202 And with that, I'll take my leave and let the religious debate continue while I go try to transplant a piece of broken off Mother-In-Law's tongue (thank you new kitteh).  I have managed to re-root it, now comes the test.


Got to take advantage of the last of the good weather.  We are going into November now.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 04:44 AM (zZbNF)

203 By "larger permutations" I mean today's mega-churches. There's a hell of a lot of "prosperity Gospel" flowing through those and they leave a lot of the "faithful" with the impression that you can buy your way in.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 30, 2013 08:42 AM (JpC1K

 

I thought the "prosperity Gospel" or "health and wealth" message was that if you truly have faith in God he will physically reward you here on earth.  This is, of course, pure BS.  Take a look at the life of Paul, for example.  I seriously doubt he had less faith than any of these two-bit, overly-coiffed televangelist hucksters.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 30, 2013 04:45 AM (DrWcr)

204 Faith alone was the major theological divide introduced by Luther. However, as Luther would concede (and tying it back to James), faith will manifest itself in works. It's the causality arrow that is important here.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at October 30, 2013 04:48 AM (659DL)

205 I heard that the SCOAMF is coming to Boston today. Why? To campaign for Obamacare! I never supported Romney because of Romneycare. Now the SCOAMF is coming here, IÂ’m not sure where in Boston he will be. I hope itÂ’s not going to cause the garage to be full or make traffic worse. In March 2008 The Weekly Standard had a writer, Dean Barnett. He wrote almost an entire issue of the magazine, I saved it, because it was so good. Barack Obama The Man & The Myth. Dean had SCOAMF exactly as he is and there was one article that was so funny I almost lost the water I was drinking, it compared TFG to Deval Patrick, same campaign, same campaign managers, same speeches, with a few lines changed. Deval Patrick lied to win, anyone surprised? IÂ’m still waiting 7 years later for the 1,000 extra police on the streets of Boston, lower property taxes, I canÂ’t remember what else he promised because I knew he was full of it and tried to ignore him. Dean wrote one line that was perfect. He was comparing the two as I wrote above, both are Chicago thugs too. The best line of the article was TFG is tall & sleek and Patrick is short & doughy and often sounds like heÂ’s just inhaled helium! ItÂ’s a shame that Dean passed away in the fall of 2008 of CF. I never knew he was sick. I had his email & would send him one when he had written an article that would have me laughing all the time. IÂ’ve got to get myself ready for work & hope SCOAMF doesnÂ’t get in my way today. I hope you all have a nice day. Carol

Posted by: CarolT at October 30, 2013 04:50 AM (z4WKX)

206 I subscribed to NR for at least 20 years, before cancelling due to Lowry's firing of Derbyshire. But long before I cancelled, I stopped reading anything by Lowry or Ponnuru. Nothing either of them have to say could possibly be of any interest.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at October 30, 2013 04:50 AM (ZG3Fa)

207 I thought the "prosperity Gospel" or "health and wealth" message was that if you truly have faith in God he will physically reward you here on earth. This is, of course, pure BS. Take a look at the life of Paul, for example. I seriously doubt he had less faith than any of these two-bit, overly-coiffed televangelist hucksters.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 30, 2013 08:45 AM (DrWcr)

The problem is that the "theology" is centered around money.  That's not theology, that's business.  I've seen this dynamic up-close-and-personal where the message about faith gets translated at the "user level" to something like, "I believe in God.  God will give me wealth.  Then I give that cash back to God.  Ergo, I am going to Heaven."

YMMV, but it seems to be that mega-churches lend themselves to a shallow faith - one focused on cash.

At the end of the day, I'm with Paul. 

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at October 30, 2013 04:51 AM (JpC1K)

208 I've always found BOR intensely irritating. It didn't matter if I agreed or disagreed with what he was saying, it was just too annoying to have on the radio or TV. Consequently, since Colbert bases his Colbert Report personality on BOR, it also doesn't matter what is being said when the way it is being said is so annoying.

Posted by: Epobirs at October 30, 2013 04:51 AM (kcfmt)

209 I hate this feeling of incompetent rage.

Posted by: Boone at October 30, 2013 04:53 AM (tIyK2)

210 Can someone here inject some free will into my college age daughter to get her ass moving so she doesn't miss her train back to campus?

Posted by: Mallamutt at October 30, 2013 08:52 AM (OWjjx)

 

If you're a hard-core Calvinist, her missing the train (or not) would be foreordained by God.   

Posted by: Insomniac at October 30, 2013 04:53 AM (DrWcr)

211 ItÂ’s a shame that Dean passed away in the fall of 2008 of CF. I never knew he was sick. I had his email & would send him one when he had written an article that would have me laughing all the time.

Posted by: CarolT at October 30, 2013 08:50 AM (z4WKX)

I had dinner with Dean one night at the Bertucci's at Alewife Station in Cambridge.  We were going to start a "fact check" of the Boston Globe like what Ira Stoll was doing with the New York Times at the time (this was late 2004 I think).  But it never got off the ground for a bunch of reasons, one of which was his CF.

In person he was exactly the kind of guy you would have thought he would be from his writing.  Whip smart, funny, but still low-key.  He was a guy you wanted to have a beer with.  He is missed.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at October 30, 2013 04:55 AM (JpC1K)

212 @216.....if she doesn't get moving I am gonna arrange for her to meet God in person.

Posted by: Mallamutt at October 30, 2013 08:55 AM (OWjjx)

 

LOL.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 30, 2013 04:56 AM (DrWcr)

213 Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at October 30, 2013 08:50 AM (ZG3Fa) I subscribed to NRO for a few years but then cancelled when “the Editors” bashed Newt in all red letters on the website. Newt was the current favorite, of all of the ABR (anyone but Romney) candidates. There was no need to trash Newt like they did, Newt was the new flavor of the week or month in late 2011. Now that I’m thinking of it, they though Huntsman was a better choice and of course, Romney. That was a great idea, Romney, push Mitt and take TFGcare off the things that he could fight against.

Posted by: CarolT at October 30, 2013 04:57 AM (z4WKX)

214 The Mormon take on the question is that Satan wanted to deny humankind free will so they would have no choice but to worship God, and human society would be ideal and utopian; nothing bad would ever happen.

But God saw Free Will as essential to human progression; the ability of our souls to advance in knowledge and wisdom. So, He rejected Satan's plan and granted his children Free Will; knowing that some would abuse it and this abuse would result in suffering. But He knew, ultimately, there would be no other way for us to progress.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 30, 2013 04:58 AM (QXlbZ)

215 Posted by: CarolT at October 30, 2013 08:57 AM (z4WKX) CarolT, Do you know that Dean Barnett's blog is still up? http://dbsoxblog.blogspot.com/

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 30, 2013 04:59 AM (V3kRK)

216 The Mormon take on the question is that Satan wanted to deny humankind free will so they would have no choice but to worship God, and human society would be ideal and utopian; nothing bad would ever happen.

But God saw Free Will as essential to human progression; the ability of our souls to advance in knowledge and wisdom. So, He rejected Satan's plan and granted his children Free Will; knowing that some would abuse it and this abuse would result in suffering. But He knew, ultimately, there would be no other way for us to progress.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 30, 2013 08:58 AM (QXlbZ)

 

Wouldn't that then make God the cause of evil?

Posted by: Insomniac at October 30, 2013 04:59 AM (DrWcr)

217 I've always felt that people who condemn God for allowing suffering don't really want God, they want Santa Claus.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 30, 2013 05:00 AM (QXlbZ)

218 I've always felt that people who condemn God for allowing suffering don't really want God, they want Santa Claus.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 30, 2013 09:00 AM (QXlbZ)

 

Hence the popularity of the "prosperity Gospel" Bannion and I were talking about.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 30, 2013 05:01 AM (DrWcr)

219 Remember during the shutdown all the talk 'Law of the Land' and 'The people said they wanted SCOAMFCare when they re-elected Obama'? Does that statement still hold, now that everything he ran on is a fucking lie?

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at October 30, 2013 05:02 AM (9Bdcz)

220 I am assuming that they do not consider the reigning monarch to be the head of their church. -Vic One of the fun things about being able to say I was raised in the Episcopal Church was, nobody among theology arguers ever quite found the right grounds for attack. Plus, there was no worry of pride in one's sect's origins....

Posted by: mindful webworker at your service at October 30, 2013 05:03 AM (MBZW0)

221 Wouldn't that then make God the cause of evil?

No, because Mormons believe that evil lies in preventing the exercise of Free Will (Satan's Plan).  In a sense, one could broadly define evil as abusing or exploiting others for personal material benefit.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 30, 2013 05:05 AM (QXlbZ)

222 In person he was exactly the kind of guy you would have thought he would be from his writing. Whip smart, funny, but still low-key. He was a guy you wanted to have a beer with. He is missed. Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 30, 2013 08:55 AM (JpC1K) Thanks for the confirmation Sean. I was a reader of the magazine and no one to him, but when I would send him an email, heÂ’d respond. He was a great writer with a better sense of humor. I always plan to cancel subscription but they have a very good website. Do you live in or near Boston? I live six miles away from Boston. I know where that BertuccisÂ’s is, our office was in Waltham for almost nine long years and Route 2 was the easiest way to come home. I would take the exit before Alewife unless I wanted to go to Whole Foods.

Posted by: CarolT at October 30, 2013 05:07 AM (z4WKX)

223 Well, I have finished re-potting plant outside on my Southern exposure porch.


Now I am going to exercise some free will with a rocking chair and some brown.  Y'all have a good day. May check in from time to time

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2013 05:12 AM (zZbNF)

224 Thanks for the confirmation Sean. I was a reader of the magazine and no one to him, but when I would send him an email, heÂ’d respond. He was a great writer with a better sense of humor. I always plan to cancel subscription but they have a very good website.
Do you live in or near Boston? I live six miles away from Boston. I know where that BertuccisÂ’s is, our office was in Waltham for almost nine long years and Route 2 was the easiest way to come home. I would take the exit before Alewife unless I wanted to go to Whole Foods.

Posted by: CarolT at October 30, 2013 09:07 AM (z4WKX)

No, I live in Virginia now.  But at the time I was living in Cambridge and working at BU.  

I'm originally from Mass. though.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at October 30, 2013 05:15 AM (JpC1K)

225 Mike Lee tried to do something and time is proving him right. Rich Lowry bleated that Sharpton was right and isn't even in the game.

Posted by: ejo at October 30, 2013 05:23 AM (GXvSO)

226 Yeah, here's your next best hope. The shock team A listers that got "voted" in.  And they're going to beat back the hordes of the gibsmedat legion, push back and re-take all those concessions with...  a Sharpened Pencil.  Because fighting is, sweaty. And stinks of testosterone.  And its so, well, Mean Spirited.  And we all know that a Sharpened Pencil trumps those necessities that were once luxuries in the game of Rock, Riot, Entitlement Mob.

The fire will rectify all these wrongs.  Let the fire sweep though. Soon, please!

Posted by: Figgy Puddin', now with extra Crunch at October 30, 2013 05:29 AM (HWgnC)

227 3 Vic writes:  "...On this day in 1534 Parliament passed the Act of Supremacy making the King head of the Church. (Church of England now). That continues to this day. In the US this is the Episcopal Church, which was formed after the revolution. I am assuming that they do not consider the reigning monarch to be the head of their church."

Most Episcopalians indeed hold King Barack I (the Petulant) to be the head of the Episcopal Church, although they would consider it low-class and un-nuanced to say so in such explicit terms.

Posted by: craig at October 30, 2013 05:50 AM (WqWcZ)

228 Remember in 2012 when John Boehner removed tea party members from house leadership positions.

f him.

Posted by: Reality Man at October 30, 2013 06:03 AM (obXkJ)

229
"Why don't you say it like it is George? They are all liars."

Because that would be so ... gauche.

Posted by: George Will at October 30, 2013 06:58 AM (VrNoa)

230

Until we obtain Republican majorities in the Senate AND the House AND a Republican Administration in the White House, the Establishment GOP will insist it is premature to achieve the conservative agenda, because it would jeopardize the effort to attain that concentration of power.

 

As a matter of history, the last time the Republicans had that concentration of power, in 2005, the Establishment GOP said it was imprudent to achieve the conservative agenda, because it would jeopardize the effort to preserve that concentration of power.

 

The same people are in the saddle.  They're telling the same lies.  They are not fit to govern.  Their servants do not deserve to be elected.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at October 30, 2013 10:14 AM (5xmd7)

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