November 15, 2013

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— Gabriel Malor

Happy Friday.

So far, state insurance commissioners in Washington state, D.C., Arkansas, and Vermont -- all of them Democrats -- have rejected Obama's "fix" to Obamacare that guts the exchanges.

Obama has summoned the CEOs of several insurance companies to the White House for a meeting today, presumably on the Obamacare "fix." Apparently, checking with the insurance companies before enlisting them in a scheme with major practical and legal consequences didn't occur to the White House.

"'I don’t know how he f—-ed this up so badly,' said one House Democrat who has been very supportive of Obama in the past."

Last night Obama threatened to veto the "Keep Your Health Plan Act" a/k/a the Upton bill that the House is going to vote on today. The bill guts the Obamacare exchanges by allowing people whose policies would be cancelled because of Obamacare and people who never even had insurance to buy insurance on the individual market that doesn't meet Obamacare's expensive minimum requirements. What a trap.


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1 He has been a disaster since he took office,  And I simply can not believe he got reelected.  The FSA strikes again.

Posted by: Vic at November 15, 2013 02:50 AM (zZbNF)

2 Posted by: Vic at November 15, 2013 06:50 AM (zZbNF)

Everyone loves Santa. At least the 52% that believe in the federal Santa.

Good morning all.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at November 15, 2013 02:52 AM (gHDMy)

3 DAY 375 1,086 to go (1,157 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, McConnell's, McAuliffe's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 02:53 AM (olDqf)

4 Short and sweet today. Off to get my ass reamed at the doctor.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 02:53 AM (olDqf)

5 He has "summoned" insurance company CEO's? I hope those CEO's tell the Emperor to shove his stupid, illegal directives up his ignorant azz.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at November 15, 2013 02:53 AM (/sohm)

6 The truth is never subtle. That's why the NY Post is the paper of record.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 02:54 AM (olDqf)

7 4
Short and sweet today. Off to get my ass reamed at the doctor.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 06:53 AM (olDqf)


They going to do it in the Dr's office?

Posted by: Vic at November 15, 2013 02:54 AM (zZbNF)

8 The Upton bill is a huge mistake but if SCOAMF vetoes it, he will make a larger error. In any case, the bill should be FULL REPEAL.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 02:55 AM (olDqf)

9 7 They going to do it in the Dr's office? Posted by: Vic at November 15, 2013 06:54 AM (zZbNF) Nope. Going to an ambulatory surgical center in midtown.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 02:55 AM (olDqf)

10 The NY Post is the best. I just wish they had enough room for the rest of that headline: "Obamacare is a total and unmitigated disaster and I am an ignorant azzhole and a total fraud with zero qualifications to be president."

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at November 15, 2013 02:56 AM (/sohm)

11 After yesterday's 2 liters of "drank" I'm ready for the anesthesia....

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 02:56 AM (olDqf)

12 Nope. Going to an ambulatory surgical center in midtown.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 06:55 AM (olDqf)


They always do mine in the Hospital. That way it costs more.

Posted by: Vic at November 15, 2013 02:57 AM (zZbNF)

13 10 Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at November 15, 2013 06:56 AM (/sohm) Would be nice if a moron worked in the composing room and replaced "DISASTER" with "SCOAMF"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 02:58 AM (olDqf)

14 J.J.

A colonoscopy is fairly similar to getting roofied at a  pick-up bar.

Or so I have been told.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 15, 2013 02:58 AM (NDA7a)

15 Morning folks....Happy Friday!!

Posted by: wing.....and a prayer at November 15, 2013 02:58 AM (dLNm7)

16
Ol' Four-Eyes with a two-fer today:

George F. Will: A need for compromise on immigration
http://tinyurl.com/l25v6r8

George F. Will: No Need To Repeal, "Keep Your Plan" Bill Effectively Ends Obamacare
http://tinyurl.com/nlncuad

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 15, 2013 02:58 AM (kdS6q)

17 12 They always do mine in the Hospital. That way it costs more. Posted by: Vic at November 15, 2013 06:57 AM (zZbNF) And the bastards remove a couple of toes and an appendix just to fleece you!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 02:58 AM (olDqf)

18 "'I don’t know how he f—-ed this up so badly,' said one House Democrat who has been very supportive of Obama in the past."

Points
Laughs
Turns away....
Idiots, all.

Posted by: backhoe at November 15, 2013 02:58 AM (ULH4o)

19 16 Ol' Four-Eyes with a two-fer today: George F. Will: A need for compromise on immigration http://tinyurl.com/l25v6r8 George F. Will: No Need To Repeal, "Keep Your Plan" Bill Effectively Ends Obamacare http://tinyurl.com/nlncuad Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 15, 2013 06:58 AM (kdS6q) George Will is a schmuck. And Krauthammer's proclamation that this is the end of liberalism makes him a farce.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 02:59 AM (olDqf)

20 He's the smartest man in the world.....he's said so....maybe not in so many words.

Posted by: BignJames at November 15, 2013 02:59 AM (j7iSn)

21 A colonoscopy is fairly similar to getting roofied at a pick-up bar.

Or so I have been told.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 15, 2013 06:58 AM (NDA7a)


Not much to the colonoscopy.  Its the prep that is literally a pain in the ass.

Posted by: Vic at November 15, 2013 02:59 AM (zZbNF)

22 Nope. Going to an ambulatory surgical center in midtown. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 06:55 AM (olDqf) ________________________ I had one a couple of years ago. The prep the day before was the worst part. The actual procedure was nothing. They used propofol to knock me out. Never felt a thing, and had no discomfort afterwards. Had a good report. Hope yours goes as well as mine did.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at November 15, 2013 03:00 AM (/sohm)

23 14 J.J. A colonoscopy is fairly similar to getting roofied at a pick-up bar. Or so I have been told. Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 15, 2013 06:58 AM (NDA7a) This is my fourth. I heard that the knock-out juice they use is the same one old Michael Jackson was given on a daily basis. Best sleep I ever had. Michael got the big sleep.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:01 AM (olDqf)

24 George F. Will: A need for compromise on immigration

http://tinyurl.com/l25v6r8


Translation, big business wants amnesty so they can hold down wages.

Posted by: Vic at November 15, 2013 03:01 AM (zZbNF)

25 Little know part of the Upton bill: Everyone who has a cancelled policy gets selfies from his niece sent straight to their smartphone.

Posted by: EC at November 15, 2013 03:01 AM (doBIb)

26 Hope all goes we'll for you, JJ. First time? I guess at 47, I should be expecting my first soon. Oh boy.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 15, 2013 03:01 AM (j3qlM)

27 Vic
I was referring to the mid-day nap.
And waking up with no memory of the last thirty minutes.
And slick stuff dripping out your ass.

At least that's how my last one was.


Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 15, 2013 03:02 AM (NDA7a)

28 4
Short and sweet today. Off to get my ass reamed at the doctor.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 06:53 AM (olDqf)



===

They asked me for ID.  I asked them, "So, do you get a lot of imposters?"

Posted by: jc at November 15, 2013 03:02 AM (PlzOe)

29 Not much to the colonoscopy. Its the prep that is literally a pain in the ass.  Posted by: Vic at I see what you did there...

Posted by: shredded chi at November 15, 2013 03:03 AM (j3qlM)

30 ===They asked me for ID. I asked them, "So, do you get a lot of imposters?" Posted by: jc at November 15, 2013 07:02 AM (PlzOe) _______________________ Tell them you're an illegal alien. That way, it's raaaaaacist for them to ask you for ID!

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at November 15, 2013 03:04 AM (/sohm)

31 His former girlfriend, back in the day, now the publisher of the Post, approved Cohen's recent rant, that's George Will

Posted by: jeffrey pelt at November 15, 2013 03:05 AM (Jsiw/)

32 Would be nice if a moron worked in the composing room and replaced "DISASTER" with "SCOAMF" Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 06:58 AM (olDqf) _________________________ That would have been funny -- but also clearly raaaaacist!

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at November 15, 2013 03:06 AM (/sohm)

33
And a big win for researchers and stack crawlers:

Google Inc on Thursday won dismissal of a long-running lawsuit by authors who accused the Internet search company of digitally copying millions of books for an online library without permission.

U.S. Circuit Judge Denny Chin in Manhattan accepted Google's argument that its scanning of more than 20 million books, and making "snippets" of text available online, constituted "fair use" under U.S. copyright law.

The decision, if it survives an expected appeal, would let Google continue expanding the library, which it said helps readers find books they might not otherwise locate.

Reuters

http://tinyurl.com/n7yq8bo

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 15, 2013 03:07 AM (kdS6q)

34 What will the CEOs of insurance learn from the White House meeting that they don't already know? It's not like Obama is going to listen to anything they say.

Is this just a repeat of the President's meeting with Wall Street money men? How did that turn out? Seems like they got bags of cash, so is there some way the Federal Reserve can send in truckloads of hundred dollar bills to the insurance companies?

Posted by: Sham 'n Freud at November 15, 2013 03:07 AM (G2A/e)

35 Last night Obama threatened to veto the "Keep Your Health Plan Act" a/k/a the Upton bill that the House is going to vote on today. I hope so. Let him veto everything until a supermajority veto-proof repeal. And may children today remember TFG's first name as "Impeached." "Disgraced" would also do nicely. "Executed Traitor" might be asking too much, but we can try.

Posted by: mindful webworker - justice for all at November 15, 2013 03:08 AM (Bpn3R)

36 Upton's the RINO dickhole who shit all over himself on lightbulbs, no? Yeah I'm sure nothing could go wrong following his lead.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 15, 2013 03:08 AM (P7o91)

37 4
Short and sweet today. Off to get my ass reamed at the doctor.

Hey, we will  throw in some x-rays and  do it for only six grand.

Posted by: New Mexico at November 15, 2013 03:08 AM (fDGF1)

38 And Krauthammer's proclamation that this is the end of liberalism makes him a farce. Agreed. Massive armies of borgs that have been through the public schools and universities are well-schooled in Anti-Americanism and spewing all the latest Lefty buzz phrases like 'gender norm' and 'cultural imperialism'.

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at November 15, 2013 03:10 AM (XvrTA)

39 From the NY Post article

MEA CULPA: A grim President Obama conceded Thursday that he made mistakes in the rollout of his signature health-care law, and announces changes in the plan that will allow Americans to keep their current policies through 2014.


IOW he did not "fix" it at all.  All he did was delay it until after the next election. That is BS and the Upton "fix" is BS too.


Kill it dead, all the way dead.

Posted by: Vic at November 15, 2013 03:11 AM (zZbNF)

40 Just heard death till in Philippines up to 3600. Hope it stays lower than we expected.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 15, 2013 03:11 AM (j3qlM)

41 You're right Gabe, it's not a trap.   We've been reminded time and again that this Obamacare obamination was signed, sealed and delivered WITHOUT any Republican signatures.

Now the party is willingly walking right up to the dotted line.  No one is making them do it.  So it's not a trap.


Posted by: BurtTC at November 15, 2013 03:13 AM (BeSEI)

42 Lotta butt stuff happening in moron land, it seems. Just sayin'

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at November 15, 2013 03:13 AM (XvrTA)

43 make them choke on this

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at November 15, 2013 03:15 AM (8JJ6O)

44 jj good luck

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at November 15, 2013 03:16 AM (8JJ6O)

45 28 ===They asked me for ID. I asked them, "So, do you get a lot of imposters?" Posted by: jc at November 15, 2013 07:02 AM (PlzOe) General Colon Bowel...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:16 AM (olDqf)

46 28 -

I've had 36! 

Posted by: B. Frank at November 15, 2013 03:17 AM (BeSEI)

47 FULL REPEAL, or NOTHING

DO NOT LET THEM DELAY!!

Posted by: Caps Lock at November 15, 2013 03:17 AM (E7Iyp)

48 Just heard death [toll] in Philippines up to 3600. Hope it stays lower than we expected. Posted by: shredded chi Yes. Storm was heading for Nam but losing power last I heard, couple days ago. Save me a news search and update me, anyone? Did it give out or keep blowing?

Posted by: mindful webworker - to know which way the wind blows at November 15, 2013 03:18 AM (0+XZq)

49
Well, so much for the 4th Amendment:

A Berkeley City Council member says a proposal to ban cigarette smoking in apartments and condos, where smoke can waft through ventilation systems, is not tough enough or fair. Councilman Jesse Arreguin says his fellow council members should consider expanding the proposed ban to include single-family homes where children, seniors or lodgers are present.

Cigarette smoking is already prohibited in Berkeley's commercial districts, parks and bus stops, and within 25 feet of any building open to the public, and the council plans to extend the ban to all apartments, condominiums and other multiunit buildings where secondhand smoke can spread.

But if Berkeley is really serious about protecting nonsmokers, it should ban smoking in the specified single-family homes as well, Arreguin argues in a proposal to toughen the proposed law.

http://tinyurl.com/lh5ju44

And:

While Berkeley's proposal is among the toughest in the nation, it's lenient in at least one regard: It does not include marijuana. That would be permitted anywhere.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 15, 2013 03:19 AM (kdS6q)

50 It does make his moves, going forward, a little dodgy,

Posted by: jeffrey pelt at November 15, 2013 03:19 AM (Jsiw/)

51 34 >> What will the CEOs of insurance learn from the White House meeting that they don't already know?
 
I can tell you guys right now that I can run an insurance company better than you can.

Posted by: Baracky, the all knowing Won at November 15, 2013 03:20 AM (cHZB7)

52 Yeah, Upton was leading that stupid light bulb ban, but that has zero to do with this.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 03:20 AM (ZshNr)

53 There is no fucking way you can "fix" a monstrosity like 404Care. Repeal the whole thing and then burn the huge pile of shit on John Roberts' front porch.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 15, 2013 03:21 AM (P7o91)

54 For your least shocking news of the morning, Bill Maher tries a to out-douche himself, almost succeeds: http://tinyurl.com/ldlxycx

Posted by: shredded chi at November 15, 2013 03:21 AM (j3qlM)

55 Upton's the RINO dickhole who shit all over himself on lightbulbs, no? Yeah I'm sure nothing could go wrong following his lead. Yup, that's him. And as everyone has pointed out, the second that bill passes, the media will make the GOP own ObamaCare. Even if it gets vetoed.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 15, 2013 03:24 AM (102Hx)

56 54 Every time Bill Maher uses mouthwash it's in an enema bag.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 15, 2013 03:25 AM (cHZB7)

57 52 -

What exactly is "this?" 

Because I get lightbulbs, and the Republican Party willingly signing onto the Obamacare disaster mixed up all the time. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 15, 2013 03:25 AM (BeSEI)

58 How the fuck do the GOP "own" Obamacare while they're filing legislation to dismantle? If you're worried about what the shitbags at NPR or CNN will say about Republicans, they'll say what they always say, that it's our fault. That's not new and that's not going to change no matter who files what bill or who vetoes it. Waiting to act until you sure nothing can be spun against you is just an excuse to do nothing.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 03:27 AM (ZshNr)

59 I don’t know how he f—-ed this up so badly Incompetency is his core competency, that's how.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 15, 2013 03:28 AM (ic+2p)

60 While Berkeley's proposal is among the toughest in the nation, it's lenient in at least one regard: It does not include marijuana. That would be permitted anywhere. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix There is no consistency, no principle behind these kinds of tyranny. This is an excellent demonstration. It's not regarding personal liberty to smoke what you want, nor about the personal responsibility for your smoke being in the other guy's face. It's pick and choose from those based on the substance - it's dogma.

Posted by: mindful webworker - repeal tyranny! at November 15, 2013 03:29 AM (Bhdia)

61 Oh look! It's tired, gray-haired Obama - the Obama we are supposed to feel sympathy for and should be nice to because he is so old. Wonder when we will see young, black-haired Obama again?

Posted by: blindside at November 15, 2013 03:29 AM (WzWmY)

62 We had to destroy Obamacare in order to save it. 

Posted by: Major Republicans at November 15, 2013 03:30 AM (BeSEI)

63 From the Washington Post more anecdotal evidence that Obama's brilliant insurance scam is hitting the wrong people :

"For some, the presidentÂ’s announcement raised more questions. Deborah Persico, a 58-year-old D.C. lawyer who represents indigent criminal defendants, received a letter saying her plan would be canceled in October 2014."

See, this is just not right. But it's only anecdotal and until we have a larger sample size and competent statisticians who can accurately analyze the relevant data it doesn't mean anything. The Plural of Anecdote is not Data.

Posted by: Sham 'n Freud at November 15, 2013 03:31 AM (G2A/e)

64 They always do mine in the Hospital. That way it costs more. Posted by: Vic at November 15, 2013 06:57 AM (zZbNF) I'm surprised they don't amputate various limbs just so they can 'make more money'. At least, that's how it works, per JEF.

Posted by: blindside at November 15, 2013 03:31 AM (WzWmY)

65 58 -

Face it, dude.  Your party doesn't want Obamacare dead.  It wants to make it all better. 

The evidence is right in front of you.  You can ignore it if you want, but it doesn't make it go away. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 15, 2013 03:31 AM (BeSEI)

66 Still waiting to hear how TFG has the legal authority to do what he said he was going to do.  


Were I the CEO of a health insurance company, I would reply "Fuck you.  Next question."   I mean, I might phrase it more as "Given the uncertainty of the current legal authority of your proposal, I am forced to attend an emergency meeting with my board, followed by a conference call with the various state insurance commissioners who have the unquestioned authority to jail me should Company X sell policies which have not been approved by the insurance commission.   As a result, I cannot spare the time to meet with you.   Timmie from the mail room will be there in my stead.   Godspeed."

Posted by: alexthechick - Is it March yet? How about now? at November 15, 2013 03:32 AM (Gk3SS)

67 Is Upton's bill even constitutional? You can't force somebody to sell something.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 15, 2013 03:33 AM (P7o91)

68 Yeah, yeah, I know. There are only 5 true conservatives in the entire country and they're all here every morning.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 03:34 AM (ZshNr)

69 Wonder when we will see young, black-haired Obama again?

Posted by: blindside at November 15, 2013 07:29 AM (WzWmY)

 

after his meeting?

Posted by: dDan at November 15, 2013 03:35 AM (hwYmz)

70 Little know part of the Upton bill:



Everyone who has a cancelled policy gets selfies from his niece sent straight to their smartphone.


Posted by: EC at November 15, 2013 07:01 AM (doBIb)


What have you been told about taunting Happy Fun Alex?

Posted by: alexthechick - Is it March yet? How about now? at November 15, 2013 03:37 AM (Gk3SS)

71 67 Is Upton's bill even constitutional? You can't force somebody to sell something. Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 15, 2013 07:33 AM (P7o91) Tell that to John-Fucking-Roberts. He absolutely said you COULD force someone to sell something. Besides, this bill doesn't force anyone to sell anything - it allows them to sell something or continue selling something they've always sold. My, my how we've come a long way from the original meaning of the Commerce Clause, eh?

Posted by: blindside at November 15, 2013 03:37 AM (WzWmY)

72 Uptown bill Doesn't matter JEF gonna veto it He's going down with the ship

Posted by: Thunderb at November 15, 2013 03:38 AM (zOTsN)

73 Waiting to act until you sure nothing can be spun against you is just an excuse to do nothing.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 07:27 AM (ZshNr)

 

define nothing..

Posted by: dDan at November 15, 2013 03:38 AM (hwYmz)

74 Upton bill. iPad spell nazi

Posted by: Thunderb at November 15, 2013 03:38 AM (zOTsN)

75 Megan McArdle in Bloomberg "Obama care is what ever Obama says it is"

from the comments

"It is incredible to listen to Republicans whining about the law they are doing their best to sabotage. If the Republican states had stepped up and done their duty instead of trying to prevent people from getting health insurance so they could find something to justify their irrational hate for Obama, the process would be a lot smoother."

Posted by: Sham 'n Freud at November 15, 2013 03:38 AM (G2A/e)

76 Maximum Leader Barry has just voided the business plans of the entire healthcare industry for the next year at least-- business plans that he forced on them in the first place.

Posted by: --- at November 15, 2013 03:38 AM (MMC8r)

77 J.J. Good Luck, enjoy the propofol, it's the best part

Posted by: spypeach at November 15, 2013 03:39 AM (10H0T)

78 If he vetoes Upton's bill, send him another and another and another. Keep launching salvos until we break through the walls. Dems will bail on him if we keep up a siege mentality.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 03:40 AM (ZshNr)

79 Best sleep I ever had. Michael got the big sleep. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 07:01 AM (olDqf) And the best part is that you aren't actually asleep. They could make you do kinds of things and you would never know. I am lucky that my guy has his own procedures area at his practice. He can slip it to you in the back in more than one way.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at November 15, 2013 03:40 AM (rpnNZ)

80 26 Hope all goes we'll for you, JJ. First time? I guess at 47, I should be expecting my first soon. Oh boy. Posted by: shredded chi at November 15, 2013 07:01 AM (j3qlM) You should go NOW, especially if you have a history of colon cancer or cancer in general in the family. I had my first at 43 because a doctor friend told me that whatever the AMA or NIH says about going at 50 is wrong. And they found a polyp. It was benign, but all cancers start from polyps. So had I waited, who knows? PLUS, get it while you still have insurance. That's one of the reasons I'm doing this now, plus it's been 3 years since my last.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:40 AM (olDqf)

81 58>> I'll tell you how; by being complicit in prolonging it's existence. Upton's bill is just BS posturing. It doesn't repeal the ACA. Yeah maybe it becomes monetarily unsustainable faster than it would have if left unaltered but the infection of bureaucracies and apparatchiks, and the infrastructure it institutes remains. The ACA is as wrong as two boys cfuking and was cobbled together by a party hell bent on subjugating Americans while exempting themselves from the provisions of the law they cobbled together then forced down our throats.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 15, 2013 03:41 AM (60Vyp)

82 Levin pointed out how Mary Landrieu repeatedly defended her vote for 404Care as did that "blue dog" cocksucker Manchin. Those fucking traitors should be featured daily in ads by the "opposition party" to remind the fuckees just who was driving the clown car.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 15, 2013 03:41 AM (P7o91)

83 79 Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at November 15, 2013 07:40 AM (rpnNZ) Oh, Calcutta! Bang, zoom!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:41 AM (olDqf)

84

If the Republican states had stepped up and done their duty instead of ...

the process would be a lot smoother."

Posted by: Sham 'n Freud at November 15, 2013 07:38 AM (G2A/e)

 

I don't know about the second part, but the first part is worth considering.

Posted by: dDan at November 15, 2013 03:42 AM (hwYmz)

85 I haven't heard anyone address the narrowing of the provider network, i.e., don't the doctors and hospitals have to be reinstated along with the cancelled policies?

Posted by: boned to the bone at November 15, 2013 03:42 AM (Ph479)

86 And yet you want to keep the ACA in it's whole state rather than starting to smash it, that makes no sense to me.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 03:43 AM (ZshNr)

87 81 Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 15, 2013 07:41 AM (60Vyp) Worse, it gives cover for the Dems and allows Harry Child-raper to strip the bill like a toddler and shove whatever he wants into it that would damage us even more, then afterwards proclaim the great success.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:43 AM (olDqf)

88 66 "Still waiting to hear how TFG has the legal authority to do what he said he was going to do." Apparently, somewhere in the vast ACA bill there is a provision that essentially bails out insurance companies who are adversely affected by the bill. So the legal authority is available to fix any problem with a blank check. Upton will go to the senate, Landrieu will come back. Insurance companies will continue existing policies with the government picking up any increase in cost. Everybody's happy. Immediate political problem solved. And all it took was a shitpot load of your money.

Posted by: jwest at November 15, 2013 03:44 AM (u2a4R)

89 There is no fucking way you can "fix" a monstrosity like 404Care. Repeal the whole thing and then burn the huge pile of shit on John Roberts' front porch. Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 15, 2013 07:21 AM (P7o91) Relax, all right? My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it.

Posted by: Barack Spicoli at November 15, 2013 03:45 AM (rpnNZ)

90 The Plural of Anecdote is not Data. - Sham 'n Freud I've not previously seen the principle thus phrased. A keeper.

Posted by: mindful webworker - new to me at November 15, 2013 03:45 AM (EcpFD)

91 Well, it's off to K-Mart to hunt down those elusive Blue Light Specials.

Posted by: Sham 'n Freud at November 15, 2013 03:45 AM (G2A/e)

92 Uptown Bill. He never ever really gets his fill. I'm in love with an uptown Bill.

Posted by: Billy Joke at November 15, 2013 03:45 AM (7Ftan)

93 67 Is Upton's bill even constitutional? You can't force somebody to sell something. Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 15, 2013 07:33 AM (P7o91) You can if it is a tax. Just ask John Roberts.

Posted by: Dandolo at November 15, 2013 03:46 AM (0XBx+)

94 According to MSNBC's resident genius "Tourette's" Touré, U. S. Senate seats are gerrymandered.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 15, 2013 03:46 AM (XPZpj)

95 maybe obama will offer the insurance companies tons of cash to make them whole? i mean its not like anybody is watching what hes doing, so why not do some more graft? its the chicago way issnt it

Posted by: Bigby's Thumb at November 15, 2013 03:47 AM (CozRk)

96 "It is incredible to listen to Republicans whining about the law they are doing their best to sabotage. If the Republican states had stepped up and done their duty instead of trying to prevent people from getting health insurance so they could find something to justify their irrational hate for Obama, the process would be a lot smoother." It wouldn't have made healthcare.gov work. It wouldn't have prevented policy cancellations. It wouldn't prevent the price increases. It wouldn't have stopped the graft, corruption, and incompetence. It wouldn't have stopped the medicaid dumping. And it wouldn't make people sign up instead of face the penalty. Dems seem to think that ObamaCare is Tinkerbell-- just clap your hands and say 'I believe in fairies' and it will live again.

Posted by: --- at November 15, 2013 03:49 AM (MMC8r)

97 It's time Obama bent over and grabbed his ankles.  Oops.  He's already done that with Reggie Love.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at November 15, 2013 03:50 AM (dtuXM)

98 BTW are all the Ted Cruz bashers lining up to kiss his ass? Or at the very least admit what fucking dunces they were to criticize him?

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 15, 2013 03:51 AM (P7o91)

99 Good morning everyone!  Sooo..... will today be the day? The glorious, wonderful day?  The day that Barky Oblabo, the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure, finally goes bat shit bonkers in public? Will this be the day of his complete mental meltdown because "those other people" made him look like the incompetent boob that he truly is?  Stay tuned and hope for the best!

Posted by: madamemayhem at November 15, 2013 03:51 AM (S2RnE)

100 42 Lotta butt stuff happening in moron land, it seems. Just sayin' Posted by: ghostofhallelujah Everybody getting in their practice for three more years of jef.

Posted by: traye at November 15, 2013 03:51 AM (JtRYO)

101

OK, I'm coming back from an absence.  What happened to MPPP?

 

 

Inre Obamacare, I haven't been able to follow the thinking on the Upton bill.  If it removes already-insured people from the exchanges (which is what I think it will end up doing), that means generally that only    uninsured/uninsurable people will be populating those risk pools, right?

 

Posted by: @JohnTant at November 15, 2013 03:54 AM (PFy0L)

102 Y'all jus' keep on talkin' 'bout Obamacare. Remember, it's Obama's. Obama's. Nothing to do with me, a private citizen completely uninvolved with them, those incompetent losers. Wouldn't a woman President be great?

Posted by: Hillary (Ben? Sorry, don't know any Mr Ghazi at November 15, 2013 03:54 AM (CNKis)

103 99 -

Of course not!  Ted Cruz was trying to kill it.  Good  little  Republicans want to fix it. 

And that makes Cruz a coward.  Or something. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 15, 2013 03:54 AM (BeSEI)

104 Good luck JJ.  Hope everything comes out all right in the end.

Posted by: Darles Chickens at November 15, 2013 03:55 AM (z4vvZ)

105 86>> The idea that Obamacare can be dismantled piece by piece is fallacy. Obamacare is like a parasite that when broken apart becomes a myriad of smaller parasites. Additionally, the tactic of dismantling it incrementally must assume that tactic, and the impetus to employ it will be sustained over a period of time. I personally have ZERO confidence that the GOP has the political cajones to carry the fight at all, let alone to carry the fight for a period of time beyond the next election. The opportunity to drive a stake in the heart of this Act is on hand; we just need to do it.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 15, 2013 03:55 AM (60Vyp)

106

The country couldn't listen to the neanderthals, oh nooooo, they had to listen to Mr. Big Government with his bag of free crap.  Something for nothing.  That crap never works out.  Never, ever, trust the government!  Always question.  Nothing is free.  How many times must it be said?

 

1st. clue : we have to pass it to see what's in it.

 

2nd clue : arm twisting and bribing their own pary members to get it passed

 

3rd clue : If it's so great, why does the government and their workers not want it?

Posted by: Case at November 15, 2013 03:55 AM (9mWut)

107 Morning!

Good luck on the scoping, J.J.

Mine is next month and they are apparently so popular they couldn't give me a morning appointment.. I have to wait until 2 pm.  Must be Obamacare!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 15, 2013 03:56 AM (b/lt+)

108 What upsets The Progressives the most is that Their King and Savior had to cave to ANYTHING. And I propose the Republicans never again use the word "democrat," substituting "progressive" for it. The name change will anger some D voters, turn off a few, and confuse many.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at November 15, 2013 03:57 AM (tmFlQ)

109 'Morning, one less to worry about. Colossal Cosby "Surgical Oops" ... Take a cue from Obama and just blame the blade, MBros. Consider what it takes to get an apology from Obama and his consorts... ...from The Telegraph: wrong person Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham AL-QAEDA militants say sorry for decapitating a fellow extremist rather than enemy. \\ Ira-Q/N: The least that can be said of the Iranian President's open letter to Americans was his emphasis on "IDENTITY". \\

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 03:59 AM (MhA4j)

110 We should hold out for full repeal. We could get full repeal.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 15, 2013 03:59 AM (uhAkr)

111 Repeal is always the goal, but unless you have 5 magical senators sitting in your pocket, it's not coming without a fight. That fight will be over things like the Upton bill, whatever comes next. Or just keep calling Harry Reid's office and asking him to change his mind, that would be a big help.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 04:00 AM (ZshNr)

112 Good morning everyone! Sooo..... will today be the day? The glorious, wonderful day? The day that Barky Oblabo, the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure, finally goes bat shit bonkers in public? Will this be the day of his complete mental meltdown because "those other people" made him look like the incompetent boob that he truly is? Stay tuned and hope for the best! Posted by: madamemayhem
...........
Naah..  Val JarJar bought Barky 2 cartons of Kools and invited Reggie Love back to the White House to be his "buddy" until things settle down..

Come to think of it, Obama is going to be having a procedure not unlike J.J.'s!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 15, 2013 04:00 AM (b/lt+)

113 Had my round of butt stuff this past Monday. Hows that for a Veterans Day present? :shock:

Posted by: Old Dog at November 15, 2013 04:01 AM (tQYJH)

114 Boy, that Ted Cruz guy sure was stupid for raising public awareness about ObamaCare. I hope he's learned his lesson and seeks governing lessons from people who know how to play 3 D political chess. The WORST thing Republicans could do now is to start calling for the death of ObamaCare.

Posted by: Salt Lick at November 15, 2013 04:01 AM (a0qG2)

115 PLUS, get it while you still have insurance. Posted by: J.J. Sefton Yeah - no. Lost that a few years ago along with my job.Thanks for the concern, tho. Maybe I can take a leisurely drive through New Mexico and get a free exam?

Posted by: shredded chi at November 15, 2013 04:01 AM (j3qlM)

116 102 "OK, I'm coming back from an absence. What happened to MPPP?" He disagreed with me once too often...

Posted by: jwest at November 15, 2013 04:01 AM (u2a4R)

117 Posted by: madamemayhem at November 15, 2013 07:51 AM (S2RnE) No; They will get Obama on enough drugs so that he doesn't lose it in public.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 15, 2013 04:01 AM (23Kgq)

118 Obamacare?  No, I secretly replaced it with Republicare.  You're soaking in it right now! 

Posted by: Madge McConnell at November 15, 2013 04:02 AM (BeSEI)

119 I always seem to come in on a thread at about 100 I may always be late, but I am consistent. Madamemayhem, I want to see that from lots of dems. Ms Kay had a media conference call and it sounds like she is close- Dana millbank WaPo, Hagan hosted a conference call for reporters Tuesday morning to discuss the problems with the health-care lawÂ’s rollout, and the Q&A session was so painful that the senator should qualify for trauma coverage under the Affordable Care Act.

Posted by: traye at November 15, 2013 04:03 AM (JtRYO)

120 maybe obama will offer the insurance companies tons of cash to make them whole? i mean its not like anybody is watching what hes doing, so why not do some more graft? its the chicago way issnt it Posted by: Bigby's Thumb at November 15, 2013 07:47 AM

IIRC, a federal "assistance" (read: free money and lots o' corruption) plan is already part of ChoomCare, to "protect" insurers from losses when they have to take on risky clients.

I am astonished by fat-boy "conservatives" like Goldberg who are smugly giggling and tittering at President Historic First's© fuckups. What he and his enablers are doing is committing crimes, for which the Previous American Way was to indict, try and punish.

It is as if they are watching Elliot Ness crack open a few barrels of Al Capone's beer and are proclaiming victory by saying "hahaha! That will show him!" Never mind all the laws ol' Snorky broke; we're seeing him look bad!

I suspect when the polite chuckling by Our Republican Betters is replaced by outrage and demands for action, it will be too late.

Oh, and I don't care if it's KATE Upton who is pushing the "Upton Bill." It's a POS that works to Choom Boy's advantage.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 15, 2013 04:03 AM (kaGpp)

121 #112 Of course it's not coming without a fight; but it's a fight that just became a lot more winnable.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 15, 2013 04:03 AM (P7o91)

122 109. "What upsets The Progressives the most is that Their King and Savior had to cave to ANYTHING." Only after he drowned trying to walk on water, after he failed to raise the dead back to life, and after each person he touched fell dead on the spot instead of being cured of their ailments. Obama failed to raise ACA on the third day into immortality. The handwriting's on the wall. Daniel 5: mene, mene, tekel, parsin

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 04:03 AM (MhA4j)

123 115 Boy, that Ted Cruz guy sure was stupid for raising public awareness about ObamaCare. Trying to stop ObamaCare was crazy extremism. It's the law of the land!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 15, 2013 04:03 AM (uhAkr)

124 If I was an insurance company CEO I would refuse the summons. The SCOAMF has already screwed them over once. They had to change their policies to include coverage for everyone including men and older woman for maternity care and other things that they donÂ’t really nee

Posted by: CarolT at November 15, 2013 04:04 AM (z4WKX)

125 BO is trying anything he can to get the stink off the Dems. This latest stunt may empower the MFM to jump back on the ship.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at November 15, 2013 04:04 AM (QR7wx)

126 Dana millbank WaPo, Hagan hosted a conference call for reporters Tuesday morning to discuss the problems with the health-care law�s rollout, and the Q&A session was so painful that the senator should qualify for trauma coverage under the Affordable Care Act. Posted by: traye
...........
And, we include mental health coverage now, too!

Posted by: Your Friendly Neighborhood Obamacare Navigator at November 15, 2013 04:05 AM (b/lt+)

127 If I was an insurance company CEO I would refuse the summons. The SCOAMF has already screwed them over once. They had to change their policies to include coverage for everyone including men and older woman for maternity care and other things that they donÂ’t really need Posted by: CarolT at November 15, 2013 08:04 AM (z4WKX) Even if he is really sorry and promises to never hit you again?

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at November 15, 2013 04:06 AM (QR7wx)

128 More Hagan goodness. Travis Fain, Greensboro news and record, I was on that conference call, and it was awwwkwaaaarrrrd. It was cut short, I thought, by staff. Tillis presumably wants to make a commercial using that audio and it's various awkward pauses, ums and half-answers, and I don't know that I've ever seen a candidate ask his opponent to help him do that. Surely she won't, if her staff even recorded it. At the moment, I kind of wish I had. It wouldn't make a bad auto tune.

Posted by: traye at November 15, 2013 04:06 AM (JtRYO)

129 112 Repeal is always the goal, but unless you have 5 magical senators sitting in your pocket, it's not coming without a fight Let the Democrats man the barricades over this evil and let the public decide which option they want: sputtering incompetence and uncertainty or the previous system. With those choices I like our odds.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 15, 2013 04:06 AM (uhAkr)

130 n any case, the bill should be FULL REPEAL J.J. Sefton, good luck with your test. Carol FULL REPEAL is the only way!

Posted by: CarolT at November 15, 2013 04:07 AM (z4WKX)

131 I am not a huge EE fan, but I think he raises a good point. If Upton passes, and the insurers keep the exchange plans anyway because they can't just turn on the spigot and restore those plans, don't Republicans get caught up in the "you lied when you said we could keep our plan" imbroglio?

Posted by: Boone at November 15, 2013 04:07 AM (tIyK2)

132

BO is trying anything he can to get the stink off the Dems. This latest stunt may empower the MFM to jump back on the ship.

 

---------

 

Truth - already on the radio news this morning the national reporterette was saying that insurance companies are rejecting Obama's fix and left it at that. 

Posted by: @JohnTant at November 15, 2013 04:08 AM (PFy0L)

133 Posted by: mindful webworker - repeal tyranny! at November 15, 2013 07:29 AM (Bhdia) Seattle banned outdoor smoking within 50 feet of a building entrance, effectively banning smoking throughout downtown. Much like the Berkley ban, it didn't include pot, and now they can't figure out what to do because apparently there's a stink in certain parts of the city and the YUPPIEs are upset. Way to go Seattle!

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 04:08 AM (GaqMa)

134 JJ, may your home movie be a good one today. I've had three in the past ten years. 60 month interval if nothing, 24 months if they have to snip a polyp or two. So howz it work for a subway rider or someone taking a cab? Still gotta be accompanied by someone? My wife is always my driver. And let's hope you have a fart-free lunch afterward.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at November 15, 2013 04:10 AM (tmFlQ)

135 132 -

It's not a lie though.  You see, the evil insurance companies will then be to blame.  Not the Dems and Republicans, doing reach arounds across the aisle with each other.  No, it'll be those evil corporations, and their greedy profit-seeking ways.

The only solution is??

Captain Single Payer to save the day, yippee!

Posted by: BurtTC at November 15, 2013 04:10 AM (BeSEI)

136 The opportunity exists to crush the liberal movement within the Democrat party and destroy it's signature 'achievement', and to relegate Captain Zero to the ash heap of political history. Why is there any debate on any number of reasons why it cannot or should not be done?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 15, 2013 04:10 AM (60Vyp)

137

@127. " And, we included mental health coverage now too!"

 

Well, its nice to see you admit you have a problem.

Posted by: Case at November 15, 2013 04:11 AM (9mWut)

138 Posted by: Boone at November 15, 2013 08:07 AM (tIyK2) I suspect they haven't thought that far in advance. Assuming it'd be a waste of planning. Even if it passes 99-1 in the senate and 430-5 in the house, I doubt it'd survive a veto. Why? Because the Dems will not vote to override, but claim "I tried to vote for the bill, but the president vetoed it and the republicans wouldn't work with him on a compromise."

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 04:11 AM (GaqMa)

139 Come to think of it, Obama is going to be having a procedure not unlike J.J.'s!


"If you like your meatpuppet, you can keep your meatpuppet,"

Posted by: Barry O at November 15, 2013 04:12 AM (cK0tU)

140 Tinkering around the edges is bullshit.

The official position of the House should be;

"It is unfixable. It was written by people who have no knowledge of the insurance industry, it was voted into law by people who didn't read it, and it is being implemented by people who lack the skills to run a BurgerKing much less the US Government. The only way to retrieve the situation is total repeal now."

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 15, 2013 04:12 AM (P/gm7)

141 That doc had his hand so far up my ass I thought I'd died and been reincarnated as a Muppet.

Posted by: --- at November 15, 2013 04:12 AM (MMC8r)

142 112. Repeal is always the goal, but ... No ifs, ands or buts. Keep the House repealing this plague, passing it back to the Senate. ACA consumes the politicians who fail to repeal it. It's lethal potency is such that ACA consumes all who touch it to "fix" it. It ain't just elections that have consequences. More to the point: Congressional Votes Have Consequences Wash Away Washingtonians Of course we're disgusted with Obama for demanding that ACA be created. And though he signed it into law (illegitimately), he didn't write it. He's never written a damned thing of consequence in his life (other than his original campaign platform video released before/as he announced his '08 POTUS primary campaign). Even if special interests (global insurance and pharmaceutical corporations) wrote ACA and submitted it for Congressional Democrats to legislate, ACA belongs to the Democratic Party, THOSE WHO VOTED FOR IT, those who voted to sustain ACA from being reformed to date, and all those Republicans now who are scurrying to "fix" ACA so that the mandate unconstitutional show stays on the road.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 04:15 AM (MhA4j)

143 I had a colonoscopy in 2001 and the surgeon perforated my bowel. It became infected with MRSA and I spent five months in the hospital. I'm a testament the liability disclaimer you'll sign

Posted by: Beto at November 15, 2013 04:15 AM (S5LPT)

144 141> AMEN! Bold contrast, not pastel shades.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 15, 2013 04:16 AM (60Vyp)

145  that means generally that only uninsured/uninsurable people will be populating those risk pools, right?

Posted by: @JohnTant at November 15, 2013 07:54 AM (PFy0L

-- Well theoretically yes, and in reality , yes

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 15, 2013 04:16 AM (R8hU8)

146 And, boy, that dumb Palin chuck sure had a lot of nerve telling us in her screechy, hicky, and awful voice that Obama care was a bad law with death panels even. As if! Oh, snap, the dumb beyotch was correct? HUH, dayum, how did that happen? She read the bill? The hell you say! ** scampers away **

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at November 15, 2013 04:17 AM (bqVyW)

147 141. Thank You! /heh, the Cain Burger King reference...

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 04:17 AM (MhA4j)

148 141 ...people who lack the skills to run a Burger King... **** Señor, mebbe you geeve me a try at dat heth law....

Posted by: Undocumented Fry Cook at November 15, 2013 04:18 AM (S5LPT)

149 He's never written a damned thing of consequence in his life

--

We, sir, are offended.

Posted by: Fig Crunching Apes at November 15, 2013 04:19 AM (XB5Ak)

150 And, boy, that dumb Palin chuck sure had a lot of nerve telling us in her screechy, hicky, and awful voice that Obama care was a bad law with death panels even. I think that her 'The Presidency is not a Voyage of Self-Discovery' speech should be played over-the-air on a perpetual loop until Barky is driven back to Shitcago.

Posted by: --- at November 15, 2013 04:19 AM (MMC8r)

151 144. and that's only the beginning of that tale God bless you.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 04:19 AM (MhA4j)

152 So, does Gabe still think trying to defund Obamacare was a horrible idea and Ted Cruz is History's Greatest Monster?

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 15, 2013 04:20 AM (azHfB)

153 92 Today's celebrity birthdays: Ed Asner? Ugh. You could substitute that one for Ol Dirty Bastard. Yeah, the Wu Tang rapper that proudly took a limo to cash his welfare check on MTV.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 15, 2013 04:21 AM (j3qlM)

154 153 Gabe wouldn't propose a positive attribute to Cruz so...

Posted by: Mr. Wizard at November 15, 2013 04:22 AM (S5LPT)

155 Seattle banned outdoor smoking within 50 feet of a building entrance, effectively banning smoking throughout downtown. Much like the Berkley ban, it didn't include pot, and now they can't figure out what to do because apparently there's a stink in certain parts of the city and the YUPPIEs are upset. Way to go Seattle! Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 08:08 AM (GaqMa) Isn't marijuana more carcinogenic than tobacco?

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at November 15, 2013 04:22 AM (VtjlW)

156 153 So, does Gabe still think trying to defund Obamacare was a horrible idea and Ted Cruz is History's Greatest Monster?

Yes. (Ok, I really don't know the answer to that, but it would be keeping in character).

Posted by: GMan at November 15, 2013 04:22 AM (sxq57)

157 Since the whole thing has been, as accurately described by the NY Post, a total unmitigated disaster, or a SCOAMF, take your pick, repubs should settle for nothing other than full repeal. It should not be difficult to sell to the public. (GOP, I know.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique, formerly Chelsea, now back to being an actual female at November 15, 2013 04:22 AM (r+7wo)

158 You know, this is really going to help win elections...

Posted by: Ken Cuccinelli at November 15, 2013 04:22 AM (gXRIG)

159 151. A creative conservative would produce such a disk/youtube collage in time for the Season of Gifts. Stocking stuffer, neat clips for Americans to get past the Joke on us. Maybe help her latest book sales.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 04:24 AM (MhA4j)

160 So the GOP is convinced repeal is the only option, and the public agrees, how do we get from there to the Democrat Senate passing repeal and probably having to override a veto?

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 04:24 AM (ZshNr)

161 Wonder when we will see young, black-haired Obama again?

Posted by: blindside at November 15, 2013 07:29 AM (WzWmY)

 

 

I don't know about you, but I'm seeing him tonight.

Posted by: iReggie at November 15, 2013 04:25 AM (hrIP5)

162 How about Total Repeal? That is, Obamacare is struck down and we have new elections.

Posted by: t-bird at November 15, 2013 04:25 AM (FcR7P)

163 Red State daily email last night had a very impassioned video of John Boehner before the House voted on the TFGCare bill. I have to wonder what happened to that Boehner compared to Boehner as Speaker. I think having to try to deal with “man child” as Rush refers to him must be worse can imagine. http://tinyurl.com/mkqeg5t

Posted by: CarolT at November 15, 2013 04:25 AM (z4WKX)

164 156. Six of one, half dozen of the other.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 04:25 AM (MhA4j)

165 Your move, Senator Cruz.

Posted by: Mr. Powerstroke Super Duty 4X4 King Ranch Edition at November 15, 2013 04:26 AM (LSJmV)

166 Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at November 15, 2013 08:22 AM (VtjlW) Honestly, I have no idea. In that area facts are hard to come by. But there was a bus driver interviewed in the Seattle Paper saying that people would blow pot smoke in his face as they got on the bus. Actually at him, intentionally. Seriously? If a cigarette smoker did that he'd be drawn and quartered, but apparently because it's not tobacco it's OK. There's no sense in any of this.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 04:26 AM (GaqMa)

167 Wonder when we will see young, black-haired Obama again? She's probably too embarrassed by her dad.

Posted by: t-bird at November 15, 2013 04:27 AM (FcR7P)

168 #151, He ain't going back to Chicago. Nope, some airhead heiress is gifting him, Mooch, Mrs. Robinson, and kiddos with a $38,000,000 spread in Hawaii. No word on how they are getting around the taxes. Mrs. R. has been bragging to whatever friends she still has in Chicago about it and never suffering through another winter there. Twould be magically delicious if Obama fell far enough from grace for the gift to be withdrawn.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at November 15, 2013 04:27 AM (bqVyW)

169

@156-"Isn't marijuana more carcinogenic than tobacco?"

They never seem to finish the tests.

Posted by: Case at November 15, 2013 04:27 AM (9mWut)

170
Cory Booker rumored to be dating 36-year-old Hollywood talent lawyer

According to a report in the New York Post's Page Six, the freshman senator from New Jersey is dating 36-year-old talent lawyer Bianca Levin.




The Post also reports the Abominable Snowman and the Loch Ness Monster are Friends with Benefits.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 15, 2013 04:28 AM (kdS6q)

171 This is not the hill to die on, that is not the hill to die on....blah, blah.

For once we are dug in the high ground with artillery in place and the Democrats are in the Valley of Death. Fire for effect--don't try to lead the bastards out.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 15, 2013 04:29 AM (P/gm7)

172 Isn't marijuana more carcinogenic than tobacco? Supposedly, yes. But it's safer than cigarettes, h8tr!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2013 04:29 AM (YIZv0)

173 The Post also reports the Abominable Snowman and the Loch Ness Monster are Friends with Benefits. Muskrat Love.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2013 04:31 AM (YIZv0)

174 Vote No Confidence: College of Bozos! Name ONE element of ACA that functions according to campaign promises. "If you earn less than $250K, your taxes will NOT increase." "If you earn less than $200K, YOUR taxes will NOT increase." "If you earn less than $150K, your taxes will not increase." "If you earn less than $50K, your taxes will not increase." ... Hell, all it took of GHWB was Peggy Noonans' lip reading promise. But then, he faced the union of democratic haters who never let you live down anything. So there it is. 'A lip for a lip.' Dump Humpty Dumpty ACA ... couldn't put ACA together again.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 04:32 AM (MhA4j)

175 Apparently, checking with the insurance companies before enlisting them in a scheme with major practical and legal consequences didn't occur to the White House.

Please, Obama could run an insurance conglomorate in his sleep.

Posted by: Jean at November 15, 2013 04:32 AM (CMlD4)

176 Morning all. 1,086 to go (1,157 to Inauguration Day 2017) Can you imagine the roads he will take us down during that time? Yeah, happy Friday.

Posted by: RWC at November 15, 2013 04:32 AM (fWAjv)

177 #147 Levin was blasting all the dumbfucks who were screeching about her using the term "slavery" to describe what accumulating debt will do as somehow racist. The ignorant cocksuckers are too blinkered in their points of reference to realize that the term was used in the Old Testament and is still being practiced by their mooooslim heroes in the Sudan.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 15, 2013 04:32 AM (P7o91)

178 Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2013 08:29 AM (YIZv0) I hear a ton of the "it's all natural!" claim Well not really. But so were cigarettes until manufacturers decided to go for maximum nicotine. Why should be believe the same thing won't happen to marijuana? (And you can still roll your own tobacco cigs.) Also, cyanide is all natural too.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 04:33 AM (GaqMa)

179 161 So the GOP is convinced repeal is the only option, and the public agrees, how do we get from there to the Democrat Senate passing repeal and probably having to override a veto? If Senate Democrats want to fall on their swords and campaign on why we should keep ObamaCare in spite of its total failure, let them try.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 15, 2013 04:33 AM (uhAkr)

180 Go to the link in my sig for yesterday's list.

Posted by: Gran at November 15, 2013 07:45 AM (mw0FO)

 

Gran, could you please tell this sort-of-computer-literate person how to do that?  Ever since that troll caused Ace to take out all the bells and whistles this fine system had (ahem), I haven't been able to instantly link anything.

Posted by: iReggie at November 15, 2013 04:33 AM (hrIP5)

181 In some ways, calling for only repeal amounts to a cease fire. We have to be working on multiple tracks or Reid can simply sit back and do nothing. Making him whip and wrangle his vulnerable members into opposing "fixes" for Obamacare is our best chance to cause the kind of rift we'll need to get Senate passage of repeal. I really doubt we'll get enough for override, though, so it may all be for naught.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 04:34 AM (ZshNr)

182 NaNoWriMo Word Count: 53,185

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 15, 2013 04:35 AM (azHfB)

183 What have you been told about taunting Happy Fun Alex?

Posted by: alexthechick - Is it March yet? How about now? at November 15, 2013 07:37 AM (Gk3SS)



It's Upton's bill!


You have to pass it to see what's inside it!!!!



Posted by: EC at November 15, 2013 04:36 AM (GQ8sn)

184 Wonder why colonoscopy prep is so, er, all-encompassing?
Look up the 2012 Ig Nobel Prize in Medicine.
That little sparker that burns out polyps -- if it hits a gas pocket, you explode.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 15, 2013 04:36 AM (xq1UY)

185 159 You know, this is really going to help win elections... Posted by: Ken Cuccinelli at November 15, 2013 08:22 AM (gXRIG) No. It is our full fledged support that wins elections. BBL 'batin'

Posted by: RNC at November 15, 2013 04:36 AM (fWAjv)

186 BTW are all the Ted Cruz bashers lining up to kiss his ass? Or at the very least admit what fucking dunces they were to criticize him?

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 15, 2013 07:51 AM (P7o91)

 

Levin asked him that the other night.  The answer is exactly what you think it is.  Crickets.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 15, 2013 04:37 AM (hrIP5)

187 In some ways, calling for only repeal amounts to a cease fire I disagree. I see it as like the allies calling for unconditional surrender of the Axis powers.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 15, 2013 04:37 AM (uhAkr)

188 Just click on his red name, iReggie.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 15, 2013 04:37 AM (j3qlM)

189 Love the Post headline, but, I think they didn't go far enough. heh.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 15, 2013 04:37 AM (IXrOn)

190 What he said. Link to Twitchy in nic. "It was impossible to be the slightest bit familiar with his background and his record and NOT know what he was about. Inexcusable."

Posted by: Mama AJ at November 15, 2013 04:38 AM (SUKHu)

191 It's Upton's bill! You have to pass it to see what's inside it!!!! Posted by: EC at November 15, 2013 08:36 AM (GQ8sn) *kickykickykicky*

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at November 15, 2013 04:38 AM (VtjlW)

192 Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 15, 2013 08:32 AM (P7o91) Economic Slavery < Telling AA's that the Reps will put you back in chains. Fuck their hypocrisy.

Posted by: RWC at November 15, 2013 04:38 AM (fWAjv)

193 freebeacon Of all the analogies being drawn between the calamitous rollout of Obamacare and other government muck-ups throughout history, one deserves a closer look. WhatÂ’s happening to Obamacare right now isnÂ’t this presidentÂ’s Iraq war, or his Hurricane Katrina, or his Lewinsky moment. ItÂ’s his Iran-contra scandal: a complicated and controversial policy dispute that involves deception, a hostile Congress, and the bludgeoning of presidential credibility. Iran-contra marked the end of the Reagan Revolution, and itÂ’s not hard to see how the implementation of Obamacare might mark the end of the Obama Revolution as well. A boy can dream.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 15, 2013 04:39 AM (IXrOn)

194 They never seem to finish the tests.

Posted by: Case at November 15, 2013 08:27 AM (9mWut)

 

 

 

-----

------

 

They were going to finish the tests, but, then they got high.

Posted by: madamemayhem at November 15, 2013 04:39 AM (S2RnE)

195 "Is it really taking the moral high ground to pretend someone is not a threat when you know da** well he is? How is that noble?"

Posted by: Mama AJ at November 15, 2013 04:39 AM (SUKHu)

196

And I propose the Republicans never again use the word "democrat," substituting "progressive" for it.

Former dems said the party faithful lurve the term "progressive," as it makes them sound all enlightened and open-minded and stuff.  Don't use it.  They take it as a compliment.  Call them leftists.  They hate, hate, hate to be referred to as THE LEFT.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 15, 2013 04:39 AM (hrIP5)

197 173. they're both addictive and destructive on the organs "If you never start, you never have to quit." My dad's advice. But as for terminally ill people in constant pain, get off their backs. It would be a cruel gesture of 'compassionate conservatism' to deny humans wasting away in perpetually excruciating pain their choice of remedial substance, marijuana rather than the far more addictive and mentally deranging pharmaceuticals prescribed by health practitioners.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 04:39 AM (MhA4j)

198 Morning, horde. Does the Upton bill make it no longer mandatory to purchase insurance?

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 15, 2013 04:40 AM (LSJmV)

199 @179 "Maximum nicotine" was a result of the tobacco acreage allotment system implemented as part of FDR's New Deal. As usual, government is trying to cure a problem that government created. Blaming someone else, part of the process.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 15, 2013 04:40 AM (xq1UY)

200 I hear a ton of the "it's all natural!" claim Well not really. But so were cigarettes until manufacturers decided to go for maximum nicotine. Why should be believe the same thing won't happen to marijuana? (And you can still roll your own tobacco cigs.) Pot of the 70's is nothing like the pot of today. Yugo vs. Lamborghini.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2013 04:40 AM (YIZv0)

201 Well that didn't work. I meant to say that Palin's economic slavery is somehow more 'hurtful' than telling AA's that the Republicans will put you back in chains if they win. The 'Fuck their hypocrisy' part is still correct though.

Posted by: RWC at November 15, 2013 04:40 AM (fWAjv)

202

I have a question. Does anyone remember the breakdown of the 30 million uninsured? I assume a good number had pre-existing conditions but what about the rest.

Posted by: Hawkette at November 15, 2013 04:40 AM (i7KmQ)

203 I guess the CEOs will show up, because they know what a vindictive SOB the SCOAMTT is. SCOAMTT probably wishes our govt was as advanced as that of Venezuela.

Posted by: Justamom at November 15, 2013 04:41 AM (Sptt8)

204

But there was a bus driver interviewed in the Seattle Paper saying that people would blow pot smoke in his face as they got on the bus. Actually at him, intentionally.

 

Um, isn't that monumentally stupid, given that marijuana can actually cause    an altered state of consciousness,   while smoking can't?   I mean, if I    was leaving a    bar   and getting on the bus, I wouldn't    carry out a shotglass   just so I could     toss    some    firewater    in the guy's    mouth.

 

Ugh, I'd go crazy if I lived in a pot haven.  I had to sit next to a guy in     Prose Writing   my   sophomore year of college    who smelled of marijuana constantly.   One day it was so bad I    could barely breathe.   It's worse than patchouli.  Plus I had to go work at the campus library immediately after that class, and there's nothing like working at the check-in desk while reeking of pot.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 15, 2013 04:41 AM (4df7R)

205 119 Obamacare? No, I secretly replaced it with Republicare. You're soaking in it right now!

Posted by: Madge McConnell at November 15, 2013 08:02 AM (BeSEI)

 

Congratulations.  You have just won the Internetz.

Posted by: Nobel Prize Committee at November 15, 2013 04:42 AM (hrIP5)

206 Plus I had to go work at the campus library immediately after that class, and there's nothing like working at the check-in desk while reeking of pot.


And the Dewey Decimal System was never the same again!


Posted by: EC at November 15, 2013 04:42 AM (GQ8sn)

207 interesting stats on social media over at legalinsurrection.com Pew Research is out with another installment on its study of News Use across Social Media Platforms, some of which may be helpful to activists in the political grassroots movement. Facebook leads the way as a social media platform for news consumers. 64% of US adults are on Facebook, with 47% of those using the site to obtain news – this translates to 30% of the US population using Facebook as a source of news. Though in a previous Pew Research report (noted below), most indicated they do not necessarily go to Facebook seeking out news, rather, they get the news while they’re there for other reasons. In contrast, only 16% of US adults use Twitter, with just over half of those using it for news, which translates to 8% of the population using Twitter as a source for news. And while reddit’s users are very active news consumers, a very tiny fraction of the US population is even using reddit at all. much more over at his site

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 15, 2013 04:42 AM (IXrOn)

208 If I was an insurance company CEO I would refuse the summons.

No, come wired for sound.  Blast it out to web ten minutes after walking out the door.

Posted by: Jean at November 15, 2013 04:42 AM (CMlD4)

209 And I propose the Republicans never again use the word "democrat," substituting "progressive" for it. =Tomaeto, tomahto There are far too many Americans gobsmacked by this dictatorship flood sweeping away our lives and our sense of "Identity". They didn't figure things out before the wall of water hit them. Don't expect them to know or reject "progressive" for what it has been this past century. Hit it between the eyes: liberal-MARXIST. Or if you're polite: authoritarian. But you must define that as well, as kids these days don't know words, let alone definitions.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 04:44 AM (MhA4j)

210 199 panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 08:39 AM (MhA4j)

You know what would calm my terminally ill ass when the time comes?

Bank Robbery...so get off my back.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 04:44 AM (9jfyN)

211 "So the GOP is convinced repeal is the only option, and the public agrees, how do we get from there to the Democrat Senate passing repeal and probably having to override a veto?" Start with a relentless campaign illustrating the forecasts of what would happen if this thing became law and the fact those forecasts were accurate. Supplement that campaign with video and audio of the preznit, every democrat leader and EVERY DEMOCRAT UP FOR ELECTION impugning people for suggesting those forecasts. Highlight the mockery and condescending attitudes these people had. Point out and emphasize that those people are exempted, or were given waivers for the law that was supposedly crafted for everyone so we could all have healthcare. Work towards a political bloodbath in the next election with the focus on the fat that this craptastic Act was brought to you by the Democrats, any ONE of which in the Senate could have ended it. Maintain the push for TOTAL REPEAL giving them ample opportunity to vote for or against it on record. Give those turds in suits every opportunity to save their political skin. IF they do vote to repeal, they'll have to override King Putt's veto; if they don't, or they don't override the veto let them suffer their political demise. I'd include the MSM in the campaign just to remind the LIV who all was involved in the cfuking.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 15, 2013 04:44 AM (60Vyp)

212 @195.  You are toking now, aren't you?....heh

Posted by: Case at November 15, 2013 04:44 AM (9mWut)

213 But there was a bus driver interviewed in the Seattle Paper saying that people would blow pot smoke in his face as they got on the bus. Actually at him, intentionally. 

So they are trying to make me pee hot, lose my job, my CDL, and effectively force me to find a new career -- they're asses would bounce down those steps.

Posted by: Jean at November 15, 2013 04:44 AM (CMlD4)

214 Economic Slavery. Posted by: RWC Racist!

Posted by: shredded chi at November 15, 2013 04:45 AM (j3qlM)

215 If I was an insurance company CEO I would refuse the summons. No, come wired for sound. Blast it out to web ten minutes after walking out the door. Live to the cloud/net.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2013 04:46 AM (YIZv0)

216 215 Jean at November 15, 2013 08:44 AM (CMlD4)

Chemically enhanced vehicle operators and pilots are just coping with a complex world...get off their backs...

and ideally out of and or away from their vehicles.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 04:46 AM (9jfyN)

217 Tack this onto the Upton bill and we're all set. http://tinyurl.com/qb6qrgk (possibly NSFW. Depends on your workplace.)

Posted by: RWC at November 15, 2013 04:46 AM (fWAjv)

218 Isn't marijuana more carcinogenic than tobacco? Posted by: alexthechick The 10¢ fact sheet from one who has done a tad of study and also created Head Shop Comix. Pot alone may have more carcinogenic-like irritants yet seems not to cause as much damage. Proponents claim it also contains cancer inhibitors. Tobacco is rarely 'pure', cigs containing many nasty additives. Pot is deep-lunged, tobac usually throated (so I'm informed), and the ritual patterns for consumption are different. A casual weekend pot smoker is probably at a lot less risk than a chain nic smoker. All-day bong hitters, maybe the same as. Overall, psychological effects aside, pot is probably less physically harmful, in the general population. Which may be informative for personal recreational substance choices, but the relative effects & consequences ought have nothing to do with repeal of unConstitutional prohibitions and regulations!

Posted by: mindful webworker - got smoke? at November 15, 2013 04:47 AM (Bpn3R)

219 I was about to make some smartass remark about pucker factor, but Barry is too loosy-goosy for it to apply.

Posted by: Fritz at November 15, 2013 04:47 AM (UzPAd)

220 That Fucking Guy IS That Fucking Stupid.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 15, 2013 04:47 AM (wtvvX)

221 220 mindful webworker - got smoke? at November 15, 2013 08:47 AM (Bpn3R)

You hold the smoke deep for shits and giggles...

anyway whatever...I am all in for medicinal crystal meth too....

an actual pharmacological product that has a history of practical use.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 04:49 AM (9jfyN)

222 Can you imagine the roads he will take us down during that time? RWC, Congress has to tell the SCOAMF that legislature, per the Constitution, originates from House & Senate. The Executive Office does not write legislation. It’s fiver years too late, but tine to tell him he signs or vetoes bills,he doesn’t write them. I have to find Andrew McCarthy’s piece that Rush referred to yesterday, when he wrote that he’s very close to “high crimes & misdemeanors.”

Posted by: CarolT at November 15, 2013 04:49 AM (z4WKX)

223 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 15, 2013 08:41 AM (4df7R) Coming home from a baseball game a year or two ago, we got on the metro and some kids got on from a snoop dogg concert down the road. Needless to say they smelled like they had bathed in skunk oil. They actually carried on a girl who was with them. (But being high as kites they carried her in the stupidest way possible buy I digress.) The girl was so out of it that the train hit a bump, and she whacked her head into the wall they leaned her against and didn't even move. (For those following along in your Glasgow Coma Scale handbook she just lost several points.) When my friend and I got off at the parking garage we told the security guard to see if he could call someone and get them pulled off at the next stop. But apparently they can't do anything about it unless someone is actively dying (although, to be honest, that may have been partially true here.) At my urging He did call his supervisor who yelled at him over the radio (seriously.) I finally just left, as I was leaving a parent pulled up in a frenzy asking where one of the stations was. Given the time of night, (and how far down the line we were, with so few people left on the train) these two things may not be unrelated.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 04:49 AM (GaqMa)

224 Does the Upton bill make it no longer mandatory to purchase insurance?

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 15, 2013 08:40 AM (LSJmV)

 

-- That is what I understand

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 15, 2013 04:49 AM (R8hU8)

225 My schadenboner has lasted for days.  Should I get it looked at?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 04:49 AM (DrWcr)

226 @206 Ordinarily I might have little sympathy for your problem, but I remember my dad's neighbor in western NC, a deputy sheriff who got drafted for forced OT when a DEA grant and airplane surveillance began a massive pot farm uprooting.

He was working six tens, pulling up tree-sized marijuana and burning it on bonfires. He said getting the contact high was funny the first time, but it got old fast. His hands were stained green. He had to throw away uniforms. Worst of all? People "looked at him funny" in church. And yes, he knew the joke about how they would all know, in church, what that smell was.

In my experience, the thing about all-day every day pot smokers is they take Prose Writing and think it's Poetry. The only way they end a sentence is if you parole 'em.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 15, 2013 04:50 AM (xq1UY)

227 If I remember the numbers correctly there were only 10 million who wanted insurance but could not afford it for one reason or another.  Prior conditions would have made the cost extremely high.


I knew a guy who was a highly paid contractor who came in-house taking a pay cut just so he could get insurance for his wife who came down with leukemia.

Posted by: Vic at November 15, 2013 04:51 AM (zZbNF)

228 ABC - President Barack Obama, trying to rescue his much-criticized health care program, is set to discuss strategy with health insurance CEOs.




Is he going to tell them he's the only thing between them and the pitchforks?


The White House meeting scheduled for Friday comes after Obama announced a substantial change to the law.



There was no change it was a phony delay. If this country had another political party it could really do some damage to the Dims

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 15, 2013 04:51 AM (1Jaio)

229 Claus von Stauffenberg (Tom Cruise? seriously? ) He did a good job and the movie was not bad. Great cast. My only complaint is that no movie could convey the tension of those times. It had to be horrible. A real bizzarro world. Of course, Wolf's Lair/Berlin still beat Birkenau...

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman, PhD Bitches! at November 15, 2013 04:51 AM (kkbgQ)

230 225 tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 08:49 AM (GaqMa)

Which is why I am in favor of caving to donkey hedonism party...

they'll cull the herd in a generation or two.

227 Insomniac at November 15, 2013 08:49 AM (DrWcr)

Only if it is draining your brain.

Ms 10077 is happy with mine.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 04:51 AM (9jfyN)

231 @227: Yes.

By as many hot chicks as possible.

Because Science.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 15, 2013 04:52 AM (wtvvX)

232 I have a question. Does anyone remember the breakdown of the 30 million uninsured? I assume a good number had pre-existing conditions but what about the rest. Posted by: Hawkette at November 15, 2013 08:40 AM (i7KmQ) Your assumption is wrong. There were always plans for people with pre-existing conditions. And, the number was more like 8-12 million. Easily fixed without $trillions being wasted. Most were young and/or healthy, so didn't purchase it themselves. A quarter or so were eligible for medicaid or medicare - just didn't apply. A quarter or so were making more than $75K/year, and just didn't purchase it. And, a quarter or so were immigrants (illegal aliens and legal immigrants). Legal immigrants, like all countries, do not provide taxpayer health care right away, unless they become residents, or other legal means to apply and receive it. It's all bs.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 15, 2013 04:53 AM (IXrOn)

233 Jean, To answer your question from yesterday, I've been hitting one site to find links to lots of other stuff. Well Trained Mind dot com has forums, even one for "Afterschooling" that you might be interested in. I've been cranky lately about web sites I used to like. DadsWorksheets dot com can have good math stuff, but sometimes it's got a lot of repetition, esp. of the easiest questions on the sheet.

Posted by: Mama AJ at November 15, 2013 04:53 AM (SUKHu)

234 197 The House has already passed 40 repeal bills already. And Obama will veto Upton. No downside....... We shouldn't want to campaign on the Upton changes. We should campaign on full repeal.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 15, 2013 04:53 AM (uhAkr)

235 Does the Upton bill make it no longer mandatory to purchase insurance? Mmmm, not spicy enough. Does it include firing squads?

Posted by: t-bird at November 15, 2013 04:53 AM (FcR7P)

236 Posted by: mindful webworker - got smoke? at November 15, 2013 08:47 AM (Bpn3R) Tobacco Pipe smokers live longer than the average person and for those smoking 3 bowels or less a week there is no increase in tongue or throat cancer. Also, Cigars and pipes may be throated, but I'm pretty sure cigarettes are pulled into the lungs (but I don't smoke cigarettes.) As I said, there are additives cigarettes, but if we see mass manufacturing and sale of pot cigs, I expect we'd start seeing a similar trend.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 04:53 AM (GaqMa)

237 Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 08:11 AM (GaqMa) Why would we believe the President will veto it? Because he said so? He also said people could keep their plans.

Posted by: Boone at November 15, 2013 04:53 AM (3p8HS)

238 I was about to make some smartass remark about pucker factor, but Barry is too loosy-goosy for it to apply. Kinda like the wet, sloppy, gummy kiss your 85 yr. old grandmother would give you vs. true pucker.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2013 04:54 AM (YIZv0)

239 Kinda like the wet, sloppy, gummy kiss your 85 yr. old grandmother would give you vs. true pucker.


Ummm...save that kinda stuff for the ONT!


Posted by: EC at November 15, 2013 04:54 AM (GQ8sn)

240  Worst of all? People "looked at him funny" in church. I wonder of they were giving him the stinkeye because he was trashing their paycheck.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 15, 2013 04:54 AM (j3qlM)

241 239 Boone at November 15, 2013 08:53 AM (3p8HS)

quite it is why we can't fix immigration...

"law" means exactly what Ogabe needs to get through the next speech....

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 04:55 AM (9jfyN)

242 Does the Upton bill make it no longer mandatory to purchase insurance? Posted by: Countrysquire

No, in the end Obamacare may be stripped down to a fine (tax!) for not buying insurance that hits the poor and minorities disproportionally. 

Posted by: Jean at November 15, 2013 04:55 AM (CMlD4)

243 244 Jean at November 15, 2013 08:55 AM (CMlD4)

Well given they can happily get medicaid I'd wager it is a nuisance on the upper lower to middle middle class...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 04:55 AM (9jfyN)

244 Kinda like the wet, sloppy, gummy kiss your 85 yr. old grandmother would give you vs. true pucker.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2013 08:54 AM (YIZv0)

 

Eeew.  Just, eeew.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 04:55 AM (DrWcr)

245 So has anyone found the Bunker scene set to yesterday's press conference yet?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 15, 2013 04:56 AM (0fdrC)

246 OT: I've been looking for the comet ISON this morning. It's going to have to either get a little brighter or they'll have to label it for me.

Posted by: t-bird at November 15, 2013 04:56 AM (FcR7P)

247 The  cock  juggling  insurance  CEOs  can  go  die  in  a  fire.  Most  of  them  were  rent  seeking  pricks  who  were  in  love  with  Obamacare  fascism.  They  were  more  than  willing  to  let  the  government  force  people  to  buy  their  products.  They  deserve  to  be  ass  raped  by  the  idiot  SCOAMF. 

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 15, 2013 04:56 AM (rXcBX)

248 Bevel, enough regular people already agree about repeal. Ads will keep the heat on, but do nothing in and of themselves. Getting to the politicians is the issue. That won't be easy, but as chips fall away from Obamacare, ducking the Party on repeal becomes less daunting.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 04:56 AM (ZshNr)

249

Does the Upton bill make it no longer mandatory to purchase insurance?

Posted by: Countrysquire

Does it mandate blondes with big tits?  If it does, I'm all for it.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 04:56 AM (DrWcr)

250 Posted by: Boone at November 15, 2013 08:53 AM (3p8HS) Because it guts his bill. He wants to do this on his terms not anyone else's. As long as he thinks he's in control, he thinks he can get out of this. Letting congress codify something takes away that power. (Yes usurped power that should be taken away, but he's not thinking that.)

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 04:56 AM (GaqMa)

251 I would like to propose to all the 'rons and 'ronettes that, since AllenG has a real job and can no longer perform his previous important posting duties, that we as a group take up the standard.

I would like to kick this off, but would encourage anyone else to participate.

Ace, if I'm out of line, delete this comment, block me, send a worm down through my IP, and cancel my health insurance. Whoops, too late for that one, but, anyway, you get the idea.

So.

Barack Obama is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Malignant Traitor.

Posted by: chiefjaybob at November 15, 2013 04:57 AM (RtBoA)

252  The cock juggling insurance CEOs can go die in a fire. Most of them were rent seeking pricks who were in love with Obamacare fascism. They were more than willing to let the government force people to buy their products. They deserve to be ass raped by the idiot SCOAMF.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 15, 2013 08:56 AM (rXcBX)

 

 

It's not healthy to hold back.  Let us know how you really feel.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 04:57 AM (DrWcr)

253 I propose the Republicans never again use the word "democrat," substituting "progressive" for it. Regressives. Communists. Tyrants. Traitors. All of the above.

Posted by: mindful webworker - got Constitution? at November 15, 2013 04:57 AM (ummNV)

254 Let it burn.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: chiefjaybob at November 15, 2013 04:57 AM (RtBoA)

255 Well not really. But so were cigarettes until manufacturers decided to go for maximum nicotine. Why should be believe the same thing won't happen to marijuana? (And you can still roll your own tobacco cigs.) Pot of the 70's is nothing like the pot of today. Yugo vs. Lamborghini. ----- Its not that much different. Maybe on average twice as potent now. As someone who has been smoking it since the 70's there was kick ass pot then, and there is now. There's also shitty mexican stuff now. It runs the whole spectrum of potency just like alcohol beverages. And the real kick ass stuff, you just need to smoke less of. Also the hash then and now is the same potency, and weed cannot get any more potent than hash.

Posted by: UWP at November 15, 2013 04:57 AM (fdXMW)

256 249 Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 15, 2013 08:56 AM (rXcBX)

Beer...

they need to learn if you lie down with donks you're gonna get up with fleas and a sore ass.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 04:57 AM (9jfyN)

257 Isn't marijuana more carcinogenic than tobacco? Posted by: alexthechick

Apparently the active ingredients are not carcinogenic (and may be the opposite) although the burned plant matter -- any burned plant matter -- is.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 15, 2013 04:58 AM (Rjrgs)

258 227 My schadenboner has lasted for days. Should I get it looked at?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 08:49 AM (DrWcr)

 

 

 

I would be happy to take a peek.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 15, 2013 04:58 AM (GgPam)

259 As I said, there are additives cigarettes, but if we see mass manufacturing and sale of pot cigs, I expect we'd start seeing a similar trend. Posted by: tsrblke

The best commercial product would be a high nicotine/high THC tobacco-marijuana blend. With a filter, a catchy logo, some cool rapper and celebrity placements, and lots of ads.

Posted by: Jean at November 15, 2013 04:58 AM (CMlD4)

260 Serious question about medical marijuana: Why can't the THC or whatever chemical it is that relieves pain for the terminally ill be extracted and put into a tablet form?

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 15, 2013 04:58 AM (LSJmV)

261 239> Because he is that stupid.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 15, 2013 04:58 AM (60Vyp)

262 I thought I heard someone say "beer."

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 15, 2013 04:58 AM (ZKzrr)

263 259 SFGoth at November 15, 2013 08:58 AM (Rjrgs)

Pretty sure cancer is sadly a byproduct of living.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 04:58 AM (9jfyN)

264 New York Post:

"Full Story; Pages 4,5,6,7"

The only thing more awesomer than that would have been to add "Part I".

Posted by: mrp at November 15, 2013 04:58 AM (HjPtV)

265 264 HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 15, 2013 08:58 AM (ZKzrr)

It was a shortform of "complete agreement" or "good point" at Matrix Games a long time ago...


Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 04:59 AM (9jfyN)

266 I wonder if Alec Baldwin ever used the words "c0cksuking f4g" to describe Joe Scarborough. I know I have.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 15, 2013 04:59 AM (azHfB)

267 No joy for me trying to see ISON this morning.  It has been raining. 

Though with four comets in the sky, let us hope the Court Astrologers are having a breakdown.  Followed by the Emperor himself totally losing it during a press conference, ripping off his robes of Narcissism+5, and twerking Major Garret....


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 15, 2013 05:00 AM (0fdrC)

268 Serious question about medical marijuana: Why can't the THC or whatever chemical it is that relieves pain for the terminally ill be extracted and put into a tablet form?

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 15, 2013 08:58 AM (LSJmV

 

There's a drug called Marinol like that, but I believe it's synthetic, not extracted THC. 

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:00 AM (DrWcr)

269 269 Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 15, 2013 09:00 AM (0fdrC)

A comet signaled the end of the Han dynasty....


Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:00 AM (9jfyN)

270 Serious question about medical marijuana: Why can't the THC or whatever chemical it is that relieves pain for the terminally ill be extracted and put into a tablet form booze? Aim high.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2013 05:00 AM (YIZv0)

271 Posted by: SFGoth at November 15, 2013 08:58 AM (Rjrgs) Nicotine is a analog of caffeine which has shown potential protective properties against heart disease and Alzheimer's, so I'm not sure nicotine (the active ingredient in tobacco) is any better or worse than THC.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 05:01 AM (GaqMa)

272 Serious question about medical marijuana: Why can't the THC or whatever chemical it is that relieves pain for the terminally ill be extracted and put into a tablet form booze?


Aim high.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2013 09:00 AM (YIZv0)

 

Pot-infused whisky? 

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:01 AM (DrWcr)

273 The insurance CEO thing is all optics, no substance. Another bully session.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 15, 2013 05:01 AM (IXrOn)

274 Apropos of nothing, but I'm pretty sure Johnathan Martin has a classic case of clinical depression exacerbated by generalized anxiety disorder. 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 15, 2013 05:01 AM (4df7R)

275 People complain about CEO's making too much money - well.... Obama is showing you why they do.

Posted by: Reality Man at November 15, 2013 05:02 AM (obXkJ)

276 Tobacco Pipe smokers live longer than the average person and for those smoking 3 bowels or less a week there is no increase in tongue or throat cancer.

Also, Cigars and pipes may be throated, but I'm pretty sure cigarettes are pulled into the lungs (but I don't smoke cigarettes.)

The stats for cigar smokers are similar to those for pipe smokers, but I think I've read "less than 2 cigars per day".  These are the premium hand-rolled kind, not the machine mass produced kind.

Also, you are right that cigarrette smoke is inhaled all the way into the lungs.

Posted by: GMan at November 15, 2013 05:02 AM (sxq57)

277 Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 09:00 AM (DrWcr) The Evil drug companies man, they want to keep all the cures away from you. It's like evil...man.

Posted by: Average Stoner at November 15, 2013 05:02 AM (GaqMa)

278 Tobacco Pipe smokers live longer than the average person and for those smoking 3 bowels or less a week there is no increase in tongue or throat cancer. I think you're smoking the wrong stuff. I know a guy...

Posted by: shredded chi at November 15, 2013 05:02 AM (j3qlM)

279 262 Serious question about medical marijuana: Why can't the THC or whatever chemical it is that relieves pain for the terminally ill be extracted and put into a tablet form?

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 15, 2013 08:58 AM (LSJmV)


They are.  Its called Marinol.

Posted by: Vic at November 15, 2013 05:03 AM (zZbNF)

280 Pot-infused whisky? Vodka. No smell at work.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2013 05:03 AM (YIZv0)

281 The Evil drug companies man, they want to keep all the cures away from you. It's like evil...man.

Posted by: Average Stoner at November 15, 2013 09:02 AM (GaqMa)

 

It's because pot promotes peace, man, and peace isn't profitable.  It's all about the war machine, man.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:03 AM (DrWcr)

282 Also, ugh.   I wish Drudge would get rid of that douchey picture of    douche extraordinaire Andy Warhol that he's got posted.  I do not need to be seeing that loser's assface this early in th emorning.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 15, 2013 05:03 AM (4df7R)

283 280 shredded chi at November 15, 2013 09:02 AM (j3qlM)

How ya doing?

//B Frank esq

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:03 AM (9jfyN)

284

Legislation via press conference.   A new low for the republic.   Not since Wilson resegregated the federal government....  

Posted by: Beagle at November 15, 2013 05:03 AM (sOtz/)

285 277 People complain about CEO's making too much money - well.... Obama is showing you why they do. Obama could be a CEO. He's clueless and well-connected.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 15, 2013 05:04 AM (uhAkr)

286 Posted by: GMan at November 15, 2013 09:02 AM (sxq57) I also played statistical shenanigans! Cigar smokers live longer than the average person. But are also more wealthy on average. When you correct for wealth the advantage goes away (but no disadvantages appear IIRC). Confounding Variables FTW!

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 05:04 AM (GaqMa)

287 I hope the CEO's come out and say that nothing can be done, the patient can't be saved, and they're hoping for a return to a free market based insurance system. But they'll probably come out and say they had a "productive and convivial exchange" and then hit the squash courts with their lobbyist buddies.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 05:04 AM (ZshNr)

288 194 freebeacon thanks for that, artisanal'ette ACA is far worse than Reagan's gun running for drugs scandal because Obama took away every American's medical insurance (or hope/expectations of affordable policy to purchase) and plopped the IRS and prison on top of being uninsured (if you can't afford the ACA payments), or while paying at least TWICE as much for "coverage" that doesn't even exist in reality should you face hospitalization now. Meanwhile, the tax funds are assessed and collected and SPENT on graft, a total Ponzi scheme. Americans were mad as hell or disillusioned to the core with the Iran-Contra scandal. But the American citizenry as a body weren't being raided and attacked in their own homes by Reagan's task force of mercenaries. And though the hypocritical war on drugs raged, sponsored by his administration, so long as Americans "Just said no!" it didn't apply to those citizens who steered clear of the drug scene (beyond paying taxes that sponsored the deceitful federal war on drugs and all other government boondoggles). It wasn't as if Reagan raised taxes to pay for his organized crime. Btw, readers, go ahead and blame policy on GHWB if you're so inclined ... or something; whatever. Yes, re: CIA, it can be argued that Reagan "inherited" the corrupt practices of organized crime to make a political policy a people's reality. But even there, you can't let GHWB off the hook. Back to the point, the CIA and the FBI and the local police were NOT permitted legal access to invade an American citizen's privacy during Reagan's administration. So the pernicious federal fear factor being used since GWB Patriot Act gone hog wild under Obama IS the difference. Americans today fear and loath our government that has been transformed by politicians and public officials into the authoritarian state that threatens our very bodies and minds, not just our income-savings-homes, but ALL OF OUR LIVES as US citizens are on the line because of ACA.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 05:04 AM (MhA4j)

289 Appropriate song for right now - Learning to Fly by Pink Floyd.

http://youtu.be/eCB_INs2E24

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 15, 2013 05:05 AM (0fdrC)

290 those smoking 3 bowels

How very apropos for this colonoscopic morning.
SpellNazi? Oh, I think not. At a certain point, it fucking matters.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 15, 2013 05:05 AM (xq1UY)

291 227 My schadenboner has lasted for days. Should I get it looked at?Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 08:49 AM (DrWcr) I would be happy to take a peek.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 15, 2013 08:58 AM (GgPam)

 

Hmmm...only if you get deloused and complete a week-long IV regimen of antibiotics first.  And wear a haz mat isolation suit.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:05 AM (DrWcr)

292 Posted by: shredded chi at November 15, 2013 09:02 AM (j3qlM) Heh. That may have just been stupid, or it may have been an autocorrect error. I have noticed that the new IE autocorrect is a bit busted in places. (It was clearly built for a tablet so it's trying to "guess" when I have a bad keystroke. And it's wrong a lot.)

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 05:06 AM (GaqMa)

293 289 Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 09:04 AM (ZshNr)

We'll see I think Jugears thinks he has the insurers over a barrel...

"uh do what I say or no safety net in the form of uh bailouts..."

The reality is they hold Obama's entire term in their hands...

"fuck you we're selling old plans sue us"

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:06 AM (9jfyN)

294 When you correct for wealth the advantage goes away (but no disadvantages appear IIRC).

No disadvantages?  Let's go!

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 15, 2013 05:06 AM (ZKzrr)

295

smoking 3 bowels

 

How YOU doin'?

Posted by: Barney Frank at November 15, 2013 05:06 AM (DrWcr)

296 Serious question about medical marijuana: Why can't the THC or whatever chemical it is that relieves pain for the terminally ill be extracted and put into a tablet form? Posted by: Countrysquire

It exists, but it doesn't get you high just deals with nausea and pain.  Clinically, smoking marijuana has not done well for pain management.  Medical marijuana is just thin camouflage for legalization.  Apparently observational anecdotes are trumping clinical data, again.

Posted by: Jean at November 15, 2013 05:06 AM (CMlD4)

297 262 Serious question about medical marijuana: Why can't the THC or whatever chemical it is that relieves pain for the terminally ill be extracted and put into a tablet form? Posted by: Countrysquire at November 15, 2013 08:58 AM (LSJmV) I'm pretty sure when my dad was dying of cancer, they gave him some pill form of marijuana in the hospital. And that was 1987.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 15, 2013 05:07 AM (bCEmE)

298 People complain about CEO's making too much money - well.... Obama is showing you why they do. Obama's showing us why his lifetime earnings as a CEO are $0.00

Posted by: t-bird at November 15, 2013 05:07 AM (FcR7P)

299 289. smaller companies would But the global conglomerate corporations want it all. And ACA gives them us all.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 05:07 AM (MhA4j)

300

BTW are all the Ted Cruz bashers lining up to kiss his ass?

-------- -------- ---------- -------

 

And ZOMG that one NBC poll about the SHUTDOWN APOCALYPSE for Republicans seems less than important now.

Events, dear boy, events.   

Posted by: Beagle at November 15, 2013 05:07 AM (sOtz/)

301 Holy crap! Chuckie Todd just claimed that Obama repeatedly fell on his sword yesterday. Did I miss this part of his speech?

Posted by: boned to the bone at November 15, 2013 05:08 AM (Ph479)

302 241 Kinda like the wet, sloppy, gummy kiss your 85 yr. old grandmother would give you vs. true pucker. -- Ummm...save that kinda stuff for the ONT! Posted by: EC at November 15, 2013 08:54 AM (GQ8sn) --- I'm clearly reading the wrong ONTs.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at November 15, 2013 05:08 AM (N/cFh)

303

WTF is wrong with Ohio?  Seriously?  

 

Ohio couple gives   adopted son back to county after 9 years

Fox DC: http://tiny.cc/f7fl6w

 

A southwest Ohio man and his wife are charged with abandoning their adopted son after giving him back to the county after raising him for nine years.

 

...

 

Authorities say the couple returned him to Butler County Children Services last month...

 

 

You can't return a shirt to Wal-Mart after 90 days, even with a receipt.   What the hell are they doing "returning" an adopted child to the county after nine YEARS?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 15, 2013 05:08 AM (4df7R)

304 It exists, but it doesn't get you high just deals with nausea and pain. Clinically, smoking marijuana has not done well for pain management. Medical marijuana is just thin camouflage for legalization. Apparently observational anecdotes are trumping clinical data, again.

Posted by: Jean at November 15, 2013 09:06 AM (CMlD4)

 

Perhaps, but at this point I don't care if they legalize marijuana anyway.  If folks want to toke up, eat six pizzas and box of Twinkies and laugh all night watching Half-Baked, I really could not care less. 

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:08 AM (DrWcr)

305 291. Anna lives!

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 05:08 AM (MhA4j)

306 303 Beagle at November 15, 2013 09:07 AM (sOtz/)

Why by golly it seems every non federal employee under the sun facing armageddon on their health care options trumps DC butthurt in the minds of the electorate after all

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:08 AM (9jfyN)

307 "...those smoking 3 bowels or less a week..."

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 08:53 AM (GaqMa)

Dude....you are doing it wrong.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 15, 2013 05:09 AM (oJ5Fd)

308 262 Serious question about medical marijuana: Why can't the THC or whatever chemical it is that relieves pain for the terminally ill be extracted and put into a tablet form?

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 15, 2013 08:58 AM (LSJmV)

 

 

 

------

 

 

It is.  When my first husband was dying from cancer, the pain was ungodly and the chemo made him wickedly sick. The docs prescribed a pill called marinol.  It was made from marijuana, the same components that help pain and nausea.  The pills even smelled like pot.  The cost?   $70.00 per pill. 

Posted by: madamemayhem at November 15, 2013 05:09 AM (S2RnE)

309 I'm pretty sure when my dad was dying of cancer, they gave him some pill form of marijuana in the hospital. And that was 1987.

Posted by: Tami at November 15, 2013 09:07 AM (bCEmE)

 

That was probably Marinol.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:09 AM (DrWcr)

310 But the American citizenry as a body weren't being raided and attacked in their own homes by Reagan's task force of mercenaries.

Have you ever listened to the professional gay activists talk about Reagan? You'd think he was out there every night, personally and gleefully infecting men for fun and profit.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 15, 2013 05:09 AM (ZKzrr)

311 Holy crap! Chuckie Todd just claimed that Obama repeatedly fell on his sword yesterday. Did I miss this part of his speech? It was his shampoo bottle. In the shower.

Posted by: t-bird at November 15, 2013 05:09 AM (FcR7P)

312 smoking 3 bowels or less a week


That's some strong shit!


Posted by: EC at November 15, 2013 05:09 AM (GQ8sn)

313 306 MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 15, 2013 09:08 AM (4df7R)

What's wrong with Ohio?

Fucked up activist family law from the 70s, coupled with a "New Detroit" state economic plan and idiot voters....


Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:10 AM (9jfyN)

314 212 suicide by cop

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 05:10 AM (MhA4j)

315 You hold the smoke deep for shits and giggles. -Sven A frat bro post-grad told me my Freshman year, it was the oxygen deprivation that caused the euphoria. Not sure if he was joking. I am all in for medicinal crystal meth too.... an actual pharmacological product that has a history of practical use. -sven10077 Dr Feelgood's patients reportedly appreciated his meth concoctions. :/

Posted by: mindful webworker - got moderation? at November 15, 2013 05:10 AM (99xOX)

316 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 15, 2013 09:08 AM (4df7R) my wife lived in Nebraska during their remarkably stupid bill that allowed you to leave a child up to the age of 16 (18?) at a hospital sans questions. During the week until the bill was fixed she said there were weird stories like that on the news almost every night. Fact is, we've created culture where people are seen as disposable. And this is the result.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 05:10 AM (GaqMa)

317
I got three blood tests done yesterday and saved $98.00 by paying cash.

Bill using regular payment methods (insurance or payment plan) -- $133.00. Bill paying cash -- $35.00.

There really are great savings to be had by paying cash. If your doctor has a good staff they'll know the labs to send you to, saving you a ton of work calling places.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 15, 2013 05:10 AM (tOkJB)

318 Have you ever listened to the professional gay activists talk about Reagan? You'd think he was out there every night, personally and gleefully infecting men for fun and profit.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 15, 2013 09:09 AM (ZKzrr)

 

You mean he wasn't?  Damn, my view of Reagan just went down a few notches. 

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:10 AM (DrWcr)

319 My objection to tge Upton bill is it does not do what it says it does, nor could it. You can't turn back the click. And ut is a sort if unintended Trojan horse fir tge Dems/Obama to force ins cos to ignore math, the way Landrieu's bill does. Unfortunately, some in the GOP are so hateful if Erickson and Levin that they choose to mock all objections to Upton and attempts to "fix" Ocare, rather than to argue on merits. My view is the GOP should focus their efforts on treating the impacts of Ocare on working Americans while hammering tgat these steps are needed as long as Ocare exists. I'd focus on tax cuts for middle and lower middle class ppl, corprate tax rate decr, and bringing down energy prices.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at November 15, 2013 05:10 AM (zDsvJ)

320 Ok... All this reefer madness us making hungry - I'm going to make breakfast. See you all in the dump thread.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 15, 2013 05:10 AM (j3qlM)

321 Perhaps, but at this point I don't care if they legalize marijuana anyway. If folks want to toke up, eat six pizzas and box of Twinkies and laugh all night watching Half-Baked, I really could not care less. Posted by: Insomniac

I basically agree, after they sign a document surrendering their right to claim welfare benefits or vote.

Posted by: Jean at November 15, 2013 05:11 AM (CMlD4)

322

I am all in for medicinal crystal meth too.... an actual pharmacological product that has a history of practical use. -sven10077

 

Hell to the yeah!

Posted by: Zombie JFK at November 15, 2013 05:11 AM (DrWcr)

323 Me and my "love periscope" have got such a busy day today!

Posted by: Dr. Fwank, Pwoctologist at November 15, 2013 05:11 AM (XIrbA)

324

or while paying at least TWICE as much for "coverage" that doesn't even exist in reality should you face hospitalization now. Meanwhile, the tax funds are assessed and collected and SPENT on graft, a total Ponzi scheme. 

-------- ------ ------------ ----------- --------

 

Not to mention the perverse incentives for part-time employees,   50-employee-limited small business, and  to _make less money_.  We don't even have time for those in the present catastrophe.   

Posted by: Beagle at November 15, 2013 05:11 AM (sOtz/)

325 ABFoundation ‏@ABFalecbaldwin 11h 1-Rich Ferraro from @glaad informs me that c'sucker is an anti-gay epithet. In which case I apologize and will retire it from my vocabulary. Who knew 'cocksucking fag' can be used in a derogatory manner. Learn something new everyday.

Posted by: RWC at November 15, 2013 05:11 AM (fWAjv)

326 Because failing to veto it would mean he was wrong and he would have to admit it. This boat's sailed. Everybody except his cult knows he's wrong.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 15, 2013 05:11 AM (uhAkr)

327 The Bible does say the borrower is slave to the lender. But we all know the Bible was talking about black slaves and thus is racist, right? Stupid leftists. One thing I've found is that liberals seem incapable of understanding figures of speech or analogies.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, formerly Chelsea, now back to being an actual female at November 15, 2013 05:11 AM (r+7wo)

328 Holy crap! Chuckie Todd just claimed that Obama repeatedly fell on his sword yesterday. Did I miss this part of his speech? He meant Reggie's sword.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2013 05:12 AM (YIZv0)

329 318 mindful webworker - got moderation? at November 15, 2013 09:10 AM (99xOX)

I got a short jogger's high at the gym today from powerwalking for 60 minutes...

right around the 37-48 minute mark my mood lightened and I actually smiled...

feeling good is good enough I guess...

my point is Meth was prescribed to Jet Jocks, Truckers, and factory workers increasing productivity for a LONG time...

I'd rather have a nation of builders than toker jokers.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:13 AM (9jfyN)

330 How does a person who's violently ill and wickedly sick keep a pill down?  Smoked marijuana probably has very little medical use, but that does not mean that marijuana itself does not.  Of course, many years ago the Guvmint said it didn't, so that is that.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 15, 2013 05:13 AM (Rjrgs)

331 The Bible does say the borrower is slave to the lender.

But we all know the Bible was talking about black slaves and thus is racist, right?

Stupid leftists. One thing I've found is that liberals seem incapable of understanding figures of speech or analogies.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, formerly Chelsea, now back to being an actual female at November 15, 2013 09:11 AM (r+7wo)

 

 

Right, because historically only black people have ever been slaves...

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:13 AM (DrWcr)

332 We have to restrict our use of figures of speech and sophisticated language because leftists are just too stupid to follow along. Is that it?

Posted by: chique d'afrique, formerly Chelsea, now back to being an actual female at November 15, 2013 05:13 AM (r+7wo)

333 "So far, state insurance commissioners in Washington state, D.C., Arkansas, and Vermont " You can add Oregon to that list: http://tinyurl.com/lqsjt63

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at November 15, 2013 05:14 AM (7UXAV)

334 We looked for ISON while it was still dark, but have no clear vantage towards the East-SouthEast horizon. Maybe after it orbits the sun. Sun made it gloriously into view. 'later

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 05:14 AM (MhA4j)

335 324 Jean at November 15, 2013 09:11 AM (CMlD4)

One of the reasons I am cranking back on trying to get people to reason out employment is needed for "share the wealth" is after the collapse being a razor will increase your advantages more than they do in a welfare state.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:14 AM (9jfyN)

336 We have to restrict our use of figures of speech and sophisticated language because leftists are just too stupid to follow along. Is that it?

Posted by: chique d'afrique, formerly Chelsea, now back to being an actual female at November 15, 2013 09:13 AM (r+7wo)

 

In a nutshell, yep. 

 

Good morning, dear twin. 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 15, 2013 05:15 AM (4df7R)

337 335 chique d'afrique, formerly Chelsea, now back to being an actual female at November 15, 2013 09:13 AM (r+7wo)

when language is their primary weapon and they try to control meaning I see no way out...

hope you're well Africa Chicque

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:15 AM (9jfyN)

338 It seems Ace is missing after last nights meeting. Any sightings?

Posted by: Union of Political Blog slackers Local #22 at November 15, 2013 05:15 AM (ugAvG)

339 Holy crap! Chuckie Todd just claimed that Obama repeatedly fell on his sword yesterday. Did I miss this part of his speech?



He meant Reggie's sword.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2013 09:12 AM (YIZv0)



Chuckie would like to fall on Barry's sword, well dagger, mouth first

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 15, 2013 05:15 AM (1Jaio)

340 Posted by: Jean at November 15, 2013 09:11 AM (CMlD4) I don't like the practical problems. AFAIK, we don't have anything like a Breathalyzer test for pot yet. So if you come in drunk to work, I can test you (and probably smell it on you) and fire you (I know there are legal concerns as well, but set those aside.) If you eat a bunch of pot brownies in your car on the way in (or smoke up a storm and then shower) I can...uhhh.....well there's not much to be done. Urine tests would result in you saying "I got high last night." and my understanding of the blood tests is they have the same problem. If we can solve the practical problem (and the welfare problem) I say "Sure whatever." until then, an abundance of caution.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 05:16 AM (GaqMa)

341 324 Perhaps, but at this point I don't care if they
legalize marijuana anyway. If folks want to toke up, eat six pizzas and
box of Twinkies and laugh all night watching Half-Baked, I really could
not care less.

Posted by: Insomniac

I basically agree, after they sign a document surrendering their right to claim welfare benefits or vote.
Posted by: Jean

Just like the drinkers!  Let's do it!

Posted by: SFGoth at November 15, 2013 05:16 AM (Rjrgs)

342 So after his speech yesterday I was a little bit upset and as I usually do when I'm upset, I called my grandma. Sweet old lady, 96 yrs old. Lifelong democrat but she always calms me down. She's a devout churchgoer, and really pleasant to talk to, and in my lifetime has never had a bad thing to say about anyone. Anyway, she picks up the phone and I said hi grandma, how are you doing today? And she says, that motherfucking lying piece of shit Obama has got to fucking go now! Reposted because I like entertaining myself through repetition.

Posted by: UWP at November 15, 2013 05:16 AM (fdXMW)

343 failed to provide adequate support for the boy...returned him to Butler County Children Services last month.

Isn't that an indictment of Butler County children Services if having them care for a child constitutes "inadequate" support?




Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 15, 2013 05:16 AM (Xlbr8)

344 Chuckie would like to fall on Barry's sword, well dagger, mouth first

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 15, 2013 09:15 AM (1Jaio)

 

Probably more like a safety pin, but your metaphor is otherwise sound.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:16 AM (DrWcr)

345 Perhaps, but at this point I don't care if they legalize marijuana anyway. If folks want to toke up, eat six pizzas and box of Twinkies and laugh all night watching Half-Baked, I really could not care less. Posted by: Insomniac I basically agree, after they sign a document surrendering their right to claim welfare benefits or vote. And rights to medical care after those six pizzas a night.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2013 05:16 AM (YIZv0)

346 Being historically illiterate is a feature for the progressive-socialist and not a bug.  That way they can keep falling for the same stupid trick over and over again.  When it comes to progressive-socialists, Santayana and Toynbee were right.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 15, 2013 05:16 AM (0fdrC)

347 ABFoundation ‏@ABFalecbaldwin 11h
1-Rich Ferraro from @glaad informs me that c'sucker is an anti-gay epithet.
In which case I apologize and will retire it from my vocabulary.

And I'm sure he'll stick to that, just like he stuck to quitting Twitter.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 15, 2013 05:16 AM (ZKzrr)

348 One of the reasons I am cranking back on trying to get people to reason out employment is needed for "share the wealth" is after the collapse being a razor will increase your advantages more than they do in a welfare state. Looks like English, with which I'm familiar, and yet I have no idea what's being said.

Posted by: t-bird at November 15, 2013 05:16 AM (FcR7P)

349 from The Corner over at the NRO The President Is Losing His Plan By Yuval Levin November 15, 2013 12:18 AM It suggests that the administration is giving up on the long game of doing what it takes to get the system into place and then trusting that the public will come around and is adopting instead the mentality of a political war of attrition, fought news cycle by news cycle, in which the goal is to survive and gain some momentary advantage rather than to achieve a large and well-defined objective. It suggests, in other words, that the administration is coming to the view that Obamacare as they have envisioned it is not really going to happen, that they donÂ’t know quite what is going to happen (and no one else does either), and that they need above all to keep their coalition together and keep the public from abandoning them so they can regroup when the dust clears. yep, that is what I see happening, too

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 15, 2013 05:16 AM (IXrOn)

350 No comet for us. We're expecting snow today!

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at November 15, 2013 05:17 AM (zDsvJ)

351 Posted by: RWC at November 15, 2013 09:11 AM (fWAjv)

How about when I yell it at the unidentified driver who tries to cut me off?

The odds are good that it is a woman.

Is "cocksucker" still an anti-gay comment?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 15, 2013 05:18 AM (oJ5Fd)

352 And rights to medical care after those six pizzas a night.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2013 09:16 AM (YIZv0)

 

Stonersurance!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:18 AM (DrWcr)

353 There really are great savings to be had by paying cash. If your doctor has a good staff they'll know the labs to send you to, saving you a ton of work calling places.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 15, 2013 09:10 AM (tOkJB)

 

This is one of the positives I hope to see come out of this clusterfuck:  more people foregoing using insurance and paying for more procedures out of pocket.   When they realize how much less expensive it is to do so   there won't be much eagerness to go back   to using insurance for every   little thing.   It'll be used for it's original    purpose: catastrophic care.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 15, 2013 05:18 AM (4df7R)

354 Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 15, 2013 09:16 AM (ZKzrr) imagine this guy has his own show not only that, he wasn't fired after this...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 15, 2013 05:18 AM (IXrOn)

355 Just like the drinkers! Let's do it!
Posted by: SFGoth

No, this country was born on the smoke and ash of the Whiskey Rebellion, pot smokers need to go find their own country - I suggest Mexico.

Posted by: Jean at November 15, 2013 05:19 AM (CMlD4)

356 Ace was on twitter last nite, Union.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at November 15, 2013 05:19 AM (zDsvJ)

357 >>>Kinda like the wet, sloppy, gummy kiss your 85 yr. old grandmother would give you vs. true pucker. <<<

My grandmother was always trying to hook me up with young starry-eyed women from her church.  I should have listened.   Should have listened...

Posted by: Fritz at November 15, 2013 05:19 AM (UzPAd)

358 This is one of the positives I hope to see come out of this clusterfuck: more people foregoing using insurance and paying for more procedures out of pocket. When they realize how much less expensive it is to do so there won't be much eagerness to go back to using insurance for every little thing. It'll be used for it's original purpose: catastrophic care.


The entire system needs to go "fee for service". 

Posted by: EC at November 15, 2013 05:19 AM (GQ8sn)

359 No, this country was born on the smoke and ash of the Whiskey Rebellion, pot smokers need to go find their own country - I suggest Mexico.

Posted by: Jean at November 15, 2013 09:19 AM (CMlD4)

 

They already have Holland, n'est ce pas?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:19 AM (DrWcr)

360 The odds are good that it is a woman.

Is "cocksucker" still an anti-gay comment?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 15, 2013 09:18 AM (oJ5Fd)




Slick Willie: It depends on your definition of the word is is. Not now Monica

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 15, 2013 05:19 AM (1Jaio)

361 Just like the drinkers! Let's do it!

"But Jimmy's mom lets him stay out all night!  WAAAAAH!"

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 15, 2013 05:20 AM (ZKzrr)

362

#359  ..........was he on the vodka too?

 

Posted by: Union of Political Blog slackers Local #22 at November 15, 2013 05:20 AM (ugAvG)

363

Anyway, she picks up the phone and I said hi grandma, how are you doing today? And she says, that motherfucking lying piece of shit Obama has got to fucking go now!



Reposted because I like entertaining myself through repetition.

 

Posted by: UWP at November 15, 2013 09:16 AM (fdXMW)

 

 

That. Is. Awesome.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 15, 2013 05:20 AM (4df7R)

364 OT: I've been looking for the comet ISON this morning. It's going to have to either get a little brighter or they'll have to label it for me. ---------------------- Yeah. After an utra-clear day yesterday, it became overcast over night. I crawled out of the rack at 0440 to look for the thing. Pulled on a robe stuck my head out the door into 29 deg. temperature, and realized I wasn't going to see anything. Back to the rack. Curse you ISON, and the tail you rode in on.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 15, 2013 05:21 AM (aDwsi)

365 Anyway, she picks up the phone and I said hi grandma, how are you doing today? And she says, that motherfucking lying piece of shit Obama has got to fucking go now!


Really?  Those exact words?

Posted by: EC at November 15, 2013 05:21 AM (GQ8sn)

366 #359..........was he on the vodka too?

Posted by: Union of Political Blog slackers Local #22 at November 15, 2013 09:20 AM (ugAvG)

 

Val-U-Rite, per AOSHQ stylebook standards. 

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:21 AM (DrWcr)

367  How does a person who's violently ill and wickedly sick keep a pill down? Smoked marijuana probably has very little medical use, but that does not mean that marijuana itself does not. Of course, many years ago the Guvmint said it didn't, so that is that.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 15, 2013 09:13 AM (Rjrgs)

 

 

The marinol that my late husband took was like a gel capsule except that it was perfectly round and the outer "gel" covering was thin .  He could literally hold it in his mouth for a minute or so and that covering would start to melt. Then swallow it and within a few minutes it was working to settle his stomach.  It wasn't great for managing pain and he often lamented the silliness of taking a $70 pill when we could have called my cousin to hook us up with some serious weed.

Posted by: madamemayhem at November 15, 2013 05:21 AM (S2RnE)

368 Looks like English, with which I'm familiar, and yet I have no idea what's being said.

Posted by: t-bird at November 15, 2013 09:16 AM (FcR7P)

 

Either the worst case of autocorrect overkill in history, or someone's using talk-to-text and it reeeeeeally sucks.

 

Or it's sentient spam.   Lace Wigs, is that you?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 15, 2013 05:22 AM (4df7R)

369 351 t-bird at November 15, 2013 09:16 AM (FcR7P)

Sorry I thought people were aware I have been spending a lot of time explaining to the poor and minorities here in Columbia SC that Democrat energy policy is killing the engine of true economic growth.

People do NOT give a fuck in numbers great enough to matter.

They want medicinal pot, where a headache is all that is needed for prescription.

I am getting to where I am just wearing my seat belt waiting for the crash.

You want pot legalized?  Awesome go right ahead.

You want to literally gagglefuck Medical care beyond recognition making people pay more for barely existent coverage?

Hey go right ahead.

Let the mules destroy the economy, it got real easy to party real hard in post collapse Russia, serious people will thrive after armageddon and Frito nation...?

Not so much.

"Razor" is as clean as you can stand and as sharp as you can get.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:22 AM (9jfyN)

370 So Mike while you were getting frostbite this morning, what was your cat doing?  Staying warm I bet and chuckling.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 15, 2013 05:22 AM (0fdrC)

371 Yahoo, Vivek Hallegere Murthy, president of Doctors for America, will succeed Rear Admiral Boris Lushniak, who has been acting as the surgeon general since July, overseeing public health endeavors around the country, after Regina Benjamin completed her four-year term. Doctors for America is a group of 15,000 physicians and medical students that has rallied behind Obamacare through participating in marches, filing an amicus brief in the Supreme Court case on the law, and even visiting the Republican National Convention to promote it.

Posted by: OMoobaCare4u at November 15, 2013 05:23 AM (MhA4j)

372 Or it's sentient spam. Lace Wigs, is that you?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 15, 2013 09:22 AM (4df7R)

 

That reminds me, I really miss Machines for Sale.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:23 AM (DrWcr)

373 371 MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 15, 2013 09:22 AM (4df7R)

No it's me Sven Whigs....

I was just doing dishes, prepping dinner, and gleaning the morning post.

Apologies.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:23 AM (9jfyN)

374 You can't return a shirt to Wal-Mart after 90 days, even with a receipt. What the hell are they doing "returning" an adopted child to the county after nine YEARS? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 15, 2013 09:08 AM (4df7R) Sad, yes. But, would you want these people raising the child more after this?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 15, 2013 05:23 AM (IXrOn)

375 So let's see. Huge schadenboner + Valu-rite + Twitter= hmmm......I assume it's safe to say that there won't be an Ewok sighting until late in the day at best?

Posted by: Union of Political Blog slackers Local #22 at November 15, 2013 05:24 AM (ugAvG)

376 Apologies.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 09:23 AM (9jfyN)

 

Ah, no worries, sven.   It's early in the day -- I'm surprised I'm able to type anything halfway sensible.  ^_^

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 15, 2013 05:24 AM (4df7R)

377 "My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks"

....except I've already unleashed the pitchfork on you. Wanna drop by my house to talk? - Fascist Obama

Posted by: Lizzy at November 15, 2013 05:24 AM (JRmiD)

378 Really? Those exact words? Posted by: EC at November 15, 2013 09:21 AM (GQ8sn) ---- Actually the whole thing is a fabricated lie. I think my grandma, who I don't remember, died when I was about 2. But I still like posting it around on Breitbart, along with my "As a lifelong democrat, I'm really disappointed in the failures of Obama" or some variation.

Posted by: UWP at November 15, 2013 05:24 AM (fdXMW)

379 People have a comic view of marijuana, based on light experiences they had in college, the idea that it's used by smart creative types, and movies. I once had that view. Then I started spending time with more desperate characters, the kind of people who gave alcohol a bad name in the old days. For many people, and I don't want to paint with too specific a brush here, any substance will be used to excess, and for other than its "intended purpose."

Pot does not always make you mellow. I have had to baby-sit people through psychotic episodes brought on by way too much of way-too-strong stuff. Were they psychotic types anyway? Yeah, sure. Pot just made their psychosis cool.

I don't feel one way or the other about legalization, anymore. Frankly, it bores me. I always wonder why goldfish-swallowing didn't manage to stay front and center in the national psyche. Wouldn't you think the fad would have passed by now?

You can't go around saying "This is a serious and potentially dangerous drug." You just can't. People will discount your testimony. The whole argument is now a politicized morass of tu quoques and ad hominem. The one thing the argument has accomplished, thanks to high-school newspaper editor's earnest comparative editorializing, is the impending criminalization of tobacco. And off we march.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 15, 2013 05:25 AM (xq1UY)

380 ....except I've already unleashed the pitchfork on you. Wanna drop by my house to talk? - Fascist Obama

Posted by: Lizzy at November 15, 2013 09:24 AM (JRmiD)

 

Barry loves to unleash my pitchfork.

Posted by: Reggie Love at November 15, 2013 05:25 AM (DrWcr)

381 Popcorn for a Surgeon General's nomination hearing?

Posted by: Jean at November 15, 2013 05:25 AM (CMlD4)

382 The cutest Chun-Li cosplayer ever
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/tiny-chunli-cosplay.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 15, 2013 05:26 AM (0fdrC)

383 May as well post some good news for a change.

Syrian Kurds boot the Jihadis out of their region, and declare autonomy.

http://tinyurl.com/n3b2m9u

Good for them... bad for the Turks.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at November 15, 2013 05:27 AM (lJaja)

384 The cutest Chun-Li cosplayer ever
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/tiny-chunli-cosplay.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 15, 2013 09:26 AM (0fdrC)

 

OK, even my heart-shaped cavity finds that adorable.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:27 AM (DrWcr)

385 385 Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 15, 2013 09:26 AM (0fdrC)

Heh reminds me of the X-Babies...

A Toddler Guile would be funny...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:27 AM (9jfyN)

386 Sad, yes. But, would you want these people raising the child more after this?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 15, 2013 09:23 AM (IXrOn)

 

The story is woefully slim on details, so I don't know what would prompt these people to "return" the child like a    stale loaf of bread,    but     the story says these were the child's adoptive parents, not foster parents.  If so, that means they are legally his parents in every way but biology.  It would be like someone taking their own    biological    nine year old    (or older)     child to county     services and saying, "Nah, I can't deal with this kid anymore.  You take him."  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 15, 2013 05:27 AM (4df7R)

387 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 15, 2013 09:18 AM (4df7R) But doesn't this require people to go without insurance altogether? Or are you saying since we're all being "transitioned" back to high deductible plans, that's how we see cash coming back in vogue? FWIW, my lab job required me to either take the university insurance or provide proof of insurance elsewhere (not insured was not an option.) Granted the insurance at the time was $9/pay period (biweekly) that was horrifically raised to $18/pay period the next year, so not exactly bank breaking by any stretch of the imagination. (There were stories of people when it was $9/pay period who just decided getting the forms from their other insurance wasn't worth it and kept double insurance for a while).

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 05:27 AM (GaqMa)

388 A Toddler Guile would be funny...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 09:27 AM (9jfyN)

 

That would be awesome, especially if they could get the hair right.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:28 AM (DrWcr)

389 The last letter I ever received from my grandmother had a news clipping about Clinton enclosed. Old folks watch news, and sometimes multiple sources. When my MIL lay in the hospital unresponsive for a day before passing away, I sat by her moistening her mouth and loving her. At one point she screwed up her face into an ugly grimace like I'd never seen and uttered her last word; "Obama". I shit you not. Will never cease to piss me that the SCOAMTT occupied her last moments.

Posted by: Justamom at November 15, 2013 05:28 AM (Sptt8)

390 A Toddler Guile would be funny...
Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 09:27 AM (9jfyN)

A toddler E Honda would be pretty easy.

Posted by: EC at November 15, 2013 05:29 AM (GQ8sn)

391

The cutest Chun-Li cosplayer ever

 

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/tiny-chunli-cosplay.jpg

 


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 15, 2013 09:26 AM (0fdrC)

 

*flail*   OMG KAWAII.

 

 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 15, 2013 05:29 AM (4df7R)

392 Why is it so difficult to simply drop the intrastate barriers and let health insurance be sold nationally like home or auto?

Posted by: Scott M at November 15, 2013 05:29 AM (AdBfq)

393 A toddler E Honda would be pretty easy.

Posted by: EC at November 15, 2013 09:29 AM (GQ8sn)

 

That would be one big toddler.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:29 AM (DrWcr)

394 392 Justamom at November 15, 2013 09:28 AM (Sptt

I'm sorry for your loss.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:30 AM (9jfyN)

395 I'm hoping for a wag-the-dog war with Iran to distract from Obamacare. If it happens then the Obamacare wreck will have been a positive for something at least. The mullahs are going to have nukes otherwise and that is a true catastrophe.

Posted by: SamIam at November 15, 2013 05:30 AM (HMI9a)

396 That would be one big toddler.

He doesn't have to be big.  Just in a diaper.

Posted by: EC at November 15, 2013 05:30 AM (GQ8sn)

397 Are you trying to make some point, Union? Or are you just such a dense newbie that you are ignorant to how ace works?

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at November 15, 2013 05:31 AM (zDsvJ)

398 398 SamIam at November 15, 2013 09:30 AM (HMI9a)

Obama will be very careful not to hurt Iranian nuke capability in Operation Hide the Dress IV trust me he wants a nuclear Caliphate.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:31 AM (9jfyN)

399 He doesn't have to be big. Just in a diaper.

Posted by: EC at November 15, 2013 09:30 AM (GQ8sn)

 

Ah, I see.  Now if you could just teach him the flying head-butt attack...

Posted by: Insomniac at November 15, 2013 05:31 AM (DrWcr)

400 Just read a pot article on FB, I think from Reason. Washington and Colorado have pretty well fucked up there legalization implementation. Taxes and regulations making it near certain that the black market will remain the primary source of weed. I guess Hawaii, Vermont maybe somewhere else, did it a lot better.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 05:32 AM (ZshNr)

401 Awwwwww baby Chun-Li! Am I wrong for wanting to see toddler Blanka?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, cognito at November 15, 2013 05:32 AM (naUcP)

402 Posted by: Scott M at November 15, 2013 09:29 AM (AdBfq) I'm not sure those are sold interstate. In fact, I distinctly remember my wife not being able to get renters insurance via my agent when she lived in Omaha because my agent was licensed in 46 states but Nebraska was not one of them. Having said that, I remember when Bamby was saying we could do that because all the insurers would "just run to states like Delaware where rules are more lax." And my initial though was "wait, isn't your VP pick from Delaware, didn't he have a hand in those lax rules?" (this is in 200 . Also "Uhh...competition between states, it's a thing!)

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 05:32 AM (GaqMa)

403

But doesn't this require people to go without insurance altogether?


 

 

I don't see why you'd have to.   It's perfectly fine to have insurance and not use it.  If you can pay cash it's usually a lot cheaper.  I always use the example of going to the dermatologist to have some minor skin tags removed.   Going through my insurance would have cost $250+, and there was no guarantee they'd pay it, so I'd be on the hook for that if they didn't.   Paying out of pocket was $85.      I chose the $85 option.      I still have the insurance,   I just didn't use it in that instance.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 15, 2013 05:32 AM (4df7R)

404 What no toddler Blanka?  Or M. Bison?

Costumes for your dog
http://www.ufunk.net/gadgets/wtf-cosplay-pour-chiens/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 15, 2013 05:33 AM (0fdrC)

405 Am I wrong for wanting to see toddler Blanka?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, cognito at November 15, 2013 09:32 AM (naUcP)

 

No.  Not at all.

Posted by: Harry Reid at November 15, 2013 05:33 AM (DrWcr)

406 Thanks, Sven, but it was a while ago. I took care if my MIL for years and never let people know all that she suffered so they wouldn't also suffer. They couldn't cope with it. When she finally passed, it was almost as if I had pre-mourned.

Posted by: Justamom at November 15, 2013 05:34 AM (Sptt8)

407 Well and imagine how the kid feels if their parents just drop him off?. One hears tremendously heart wrenching stories about kids from Russia who are violent and destructive and drive their parents to the end of their rope. Sometimes they have tried to return them to the countries of origin.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 15, 2013 05:34 AM (23Kgq)

408 http://tinyurl.com/pb3aud8

The bastards really are gonna try to invoke the Royal "we" in their Obamacare games...

lovely....

http://youtu.be/RFDOI24RRAE

Chiquita Banana Republic

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:34 AM (9jfyN)

409 No. Not at all. Posted by: Harry Reid O.o /orders air strike on own position

Posted by: Brother Cavil, cognito at November 15, 2013 05:35 AM (naUcP)

410 "Doctors for America" is a thinly veiled front for:

http://www.americanprogress.org/

They share the same address.

Same asshats that run ThinkProgress.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 15, 2013 05:36 AM (Xlbr8)

411 412 Brother Cavil, cognito at November 15, 2013 09:35 AM (naUcP)

It hurts less for you Cavil so long as the Resurrection Love Boat is in the quadrant...

http://youtu.be/88jrZjsNHPc

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:36 AM (9jfyN)

412 Each state has its own dept of insurance and regs. When I sold group insurance, multi-state location groups were a special headache because no state could have richer benefits legally and it required much cobbling effort.

Posted by: Justamom at November 15, 2013 05:38 AM (Sptt8)

413 No, this country was born on the smoke and ash of the Whiskey Rebellion, pot smokers need to go find their own country - I suggest Mexico. --- “Seems to me if grate Men dont leeve off writing Pollyticks, breaking Heads, boxing Ears, ringing Noses and kicking Breeches, we shall by and by want a world of Hemp more for our own consumshon,” -- John Adams

Posted by: UWP at November 15, 2013 05:39 AM (fdXMW)

414 Looks like English, with which I'm familiar, and yet I have no idea what's being said.

Posted by: t-bird at November 15, 2013 09:16 AM (FcR7P)

 

*****

 

 

You're clearly not familiar with Svenish.   Takes practice, but once you get the hang of it, he is really quite insightful, albeit opinionated.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 15, 2013 05:39 AM (N/Sup)

415

Greetings and salutations, pixel people.

 

The living room of Casa Backwardio looks like a tornado went through it. We(meaning me) are rearranging furniture. No biggie, since it was my idea. I'm sore and probably won't be finished until tomorrow. Then I'll get started on the truck.

 

On to more important matters:  so they require ID for a colonoscopy, eh? Many's the time   I've  dreamed of impersonating someone so I could get one...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at November 15, 2013 05:40 AM (0HooB)

416

Heh.   The Chief Ewok was in fine form on twitter yesterday.   During the anxious wait for the Preezy's disaster of a presser:

 

 

SquatchPride69 @AceofSpadesHQ

 

"I can't believe Obama's late," said a visitor from Betelgeuse who just arrived and never heard of Obama until three seconds ago.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 15, 2013 05:43 AM (4df7R)

417 MWR, do you want something super cute to play your Region 2 DVDs?

From Studio Ghibli -
http://tinyurl.com/m3kkmkp

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 15, 2013 05:44 AM (0fdrC)

418 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 15, 2013 09:32 AM (4df7R) Maybe it's because I'm fairly healthy or my docs are good at coding, but I've never had anything insurance has refused to pay (I've had a few moles removed and they've paid that as well.) Things are a bit weird here though I admit. All my friends who have tried the cash thing get hosed relative to what the insurance contracted rates are (so even if they have a huge deductible, the insurance company was a better negotiator than they were and they'd have been better submitting it to get the contracted rate.) My experience with deductibles (which is somewhat in the same arena) has been a PITA too, I had one place try to insist that the deductible meant I had to pay their chargemaster prices. Eventually I got the insurer involved (since the place wouldn't even submit it to my insurer claiming I had to "satisfy my deductible" before they could submit a claim. Which was odd, because I had other bills that went to my deductible.) Finally I got EOBs from my insurer, just paid what those said and told the PT place to shove it up their asses. (My actually response was "Come after me if you want, but I think you're engaging in fraudulent billing, so I will report that if you do.) Needless to say, I'm a bit burnt out on the whole "just negotiate prices" thing. I'm not seven sure when you do negotiate it, it's a great deal. If I pay $35 for something that was listed as $100, it sounds great, except my insurer would have only paid $10.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 05:45 AM (GaqMa)

419 http://tinyurl.com/p9cmmuc

Ed Morrissey travelogue returns...

which means sadly we're denied his hard hitting dissection of Ogabecare...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:46 AM (9jfyN)

420
>>>324 Perhaps, but at this point I don't care if they
legalize marijuana anyway. If folks want to toke up, eat six pizzas and
box of Twinkies and laugh all night watching Half-Baked, I really could
not care less.

Posted by: Insomniac

>>I basically agree, after they sign a document surrendering their right to claim welfare benefits or vote.

Posted by: Jean at November 15, 2013 09:11 AM (CMlD4)

I totally agree -- every liquor store and bar should be forced to make their patrons sign a document surrendering their right to claim welfare benefits or vote.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 15, 2013 05:48 AM (tOkJB)

421 421 tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 09:45 AM (GaqMa)

Bike I have a prescription from my Doc in Indiana that the post hospital won't fill because "Army"....

so I am going north to see the Doc out of pocket in the next two months.

My cost?  60-135 bucks depending on length of visit and tests.

You figure on going to see a doc on mundane personal PM manual type stuff probably costs 1200 a year.

Ogabe is wanting 250 a month plus a 7500 buck deductible in my home zip code.

uh "no"

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:50 AM (9jfyN)

422 423 Ed Anger at November 15, 2013 09:48 AM (tOkJB)

I absolutely agree every Whole Foods should have a waiver of welfare and right to vote.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:51 AM (9jfyN)

423 Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 09:50 AM (9jfyN No, I totally agree Obama care is the busted. But there's a second case study here where employers are providing compensation in the form of healthcare. And as long as that stays going, I'm just not sure I see the utilization of insurance going down. But as I said, maybe I'm the oddball case, I've been screwed more often by people holding fast to the chargemaster than I have by an insurance company, so if someone says "I'll charge you X if you don't submit this to insurance or Y if you do and they decline it" thus far I've had better luck taking "Y" because my decline rate is near 0.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 05:54 AM (GaqMa)

424
332...my point is Meth was prescribed to Jet Jocks, Truckers, and factory workers increasing productivity for a LONG time...

I'd rather have a nation of builders than toker jokers.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 09:13 AM (9jfyN)

They're great for our business, too!

Posted by: American Dental Association, American Psychiatric Association at November 15, 2013 05:54 AM (tOkJB)

425 @71 Roberts' decision forced us all to buy but did not force anyone to sell. That line hasn't been crossed. Yet.

-C

Posted by: Cnation at November 15, 2013 05:54 AM (gh7eZ)

426 427 American Dental Association, American Psychiatric Association at November 15, 2013 09:54 AM (tOkJB)

That's what false teeth and lobbying Democrats is for!....

//Nambla

Posted by: sven10077 at November 15, 2013 05:56 AM (9jfyN)

427
352 from The Corner over at the NRO
...

It suggests that the administration is giving up on the long game of doing what it takes to get the system into place and then trusting that the public will come around and is adopting instead the mentality of a political war of attrition, fought news cycle by news cycle...and that they need above all to keep their coalition together and keep the public from abandoning them so they can regroup when the dust clears.

>>yep, that is what I see happening, too

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 15, 2013 09:16 AM (IXrOn)

I said that many times before using a lot fewer words:

They're waiting for it to become "the new normal."

But I guess you gotta use lotsa words to say anything if you write for a living.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 15, 2013 06:04 AM (tOkJB)

428 ** "Executed Traitor" might be asking too much, but we can try. ** Why kill him, when he can live to a hundred as the most reviled man in American history since Benedict Arnold? He wanted his place in the history books - fine; let him have it, in all its inglorious condemnation. Perhaps it's just as well he got his second term - he can sit through the entirety of the next three years, if he isn't impeached at the midterms, impotent and execrated, and Carter can go to his grave knowing he's no longer the worst in living memory. Hillary may be a sellout (of Benghazi) and a shrew, but even she doesn't despise her country the way Obama seems to. The incompetence won't stop if she gets in, but the deliberate and systematic shafting of the little man might ease up a little.

Posted by: perturbed at November 15, 2013 06:07 AM (TXq4O)

429
358
...
No, this country was born on the smoke and ash of the Whiskey Rebellion, pot smokers need to go find their own country - I suggest Mexico.

Posted by: Jean at November 15, 2013 09:19 AM (CMlD4)

The Whiskey Rebellion wasn't about whiskey -- it was about money. It's sort of like being proud about how Chicago politics was "born on the smoke and ash of" prohibition.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 15, 2013 06:17 AM (tOkJB)

430
403 Just read a pot article on FB, I think from Reason. Washington and Colorado have pretty well fucked up there legalization implementation. Taxes and regulations making it near certain that the black market will remain the primary source of weed. I guess Hawaii, Vermont maybe somewhere else, did it a lot better.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 09:32 AM (ZshNr)

More proof that hard-core liberals can fuck up a wet dream.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 15, 2013 06:33 AM (tOkJB)

431 Tobacco Pipe smokers live longer than the average person and for those smoking 3 bowels or less a week there is no increase in tongue or throat cancer. Also, Cigars and pipes may be throated, but I'm pretty sure cigarettes are pulled into the lungs (but I don't smoke cigarettes.) As I said, there are additives cigarettes, but if we see mass manufacturing and sale of pot cigs, I expect we'd start seeing a similar trend. Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 15, 2013 08:53 AM (GaqMa) How many bowels does little bammy smoke a week.

Posted by: blindside at November 15, 2013 06:37 AM (WzWmY)

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