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March 25, 2013

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— Gabriel Malor

Happy Monday.

The Supreme Court will hear the Prop 8 case Tuesday and the DOMA case Wednesday. Here's an outline of how the Court could rule. But what if the Chief Justice decides it's a tax, or something?

Many of the Sunday shows were discussing the issue. Sen. Paul had previously suggested that the government shouldn't be in the marriage business. Yesterday he also said that the federal government shouldn't be telling the states what to do on marriage.

The FDA is still trying to expand its authority to regulate cigars.

A pal of mine put together an outstanding guide to the various immigration reform proposals detailing their similarities and differences. The Gang of Eight plan looks better than both the White House's and Sen. Paul's, and ain't that a kick in the pants.

The IRS wasted a pile of money on a Star Trek parody video.

And, just so you're sure you're living in a crapsack world, a 58-year-old man was exonerated after 23 years in prison. Two days later, he suffered a massive heart attack.

Oh, but this is cool. Astronomers got an infrared snap-shot of an object, either a planet or a failed star, in orbit around a binary system.

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1 Happy Monday fellow morons

Posted by: Alex Stephens at March 25, 2013 02:48 AM (aPAIU)

2 While Cyprus tries to get its biggest accounts to take a big hair cut in order to get a 10 billion Euro bailout - http://tinyurl.com/cwlzan3, may want to look to the north near Italy.

There is a new canary in the Euro mine threatening to keel over. The former Yugoslavian morsel of land called Slovenia. And the new leadership seems bent on trying to spend their way out of the massive debt issues. Have to love the sting at the end, if Slovenia was not part of the Eurozone and using the Euro as its currency it could solve its problems easily. But it does belong to both and so its on the brink.
http://tinyurl.com/c8v8uty

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2013 02:50 AM (iGhmo)

3 Speaking of haircuts. Why does this movie trailer remind me of Europe? Well besides being in German.

http://youtu.be/ZdrZlcjHz_c

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2013 02:51 AM (iGhmo)

4 Why is a Yugoslav country part of the euro?

Posted by: Alex Stephens at March 25, 2013 02:52 AM (aPAIU)

5 Good Morning Morons. Today is Monday, March 25, 2013. On this day in 1975 King Faisel of Saudi Arabia may or may not have been shot and killed by his mentally ill nephew.

Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 02:54 AM (53z96)

6 Cyprus makes a last minute deal to avoid bankruptcy.

http://is.gd/2eCGpN

Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 02:55 AM (53z96)

7 Meanwhile Stockton, CA enters bankruptcy court. The question is will the corrupt CA courts allow them to get out of the overpriced union contracts that have busted them.

http://is.gd/Y2qHva

Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 02:55 AM (53z96)

8 Because a socialist empire needs client states?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at March 25, 2013 02:55 AM (sQ0LB)

9 McShitty and several other RINOs ready to sell us out on gun control.

http://is.gd/4XZd7w

Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 02:55 AM (53z96)

10 ICE Union head; zero chance of border enforcement from Obama.

http://is.gd/enyrnT

Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 02:55 AM (53z96)

11 Republicans block Obamanite gun control lawyer appointment to court.

http://is.gd/dIPKcF

Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 02:56 AM (53z96)

12 The Daily Deals

http://is.gd/8Lo7ww

And thatÂ’s it for Monday, March 25, 2013. Slow day today.

Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 02:56 AM (53z96)

13 Anyone else notice the initials of the title these threads is "THC"?

Posted by: alex® at March 25, 2013 02:56 AM (TT/cW)

14 Wow that is a slow news day

Posted by: Alex Stephens at March 25, 2013 02:57 AM (aPAIU)

15 Notice that everyone of the migration plans includes amnesty.

Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 02:57 AM (53z96)

16 It's not like we morons can spell--we've been calling the Overnight Open Thread the ONT forever.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at March 25, 2013 02:58 AM (sQ0LB)

17 In Space, no one can hear you waste money.

Posted by: Darth Randall at March 25, 2013 02:58 AM (lxc0s)

18 DAY 139 1,321 to go (1,396 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 02:58 AM (tqLft)

19 15 Notice that everyone of the migration plans includes amnesty.

Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 06:57 AM (53z96)

Yup, we can have it with lube or without, but either way the rule of law is taking it in the squeaker re: immigration--at least with the current plans. Frankly the status quo sounds good by comparison.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at March 25, 2013 02:59 AM (sQ0LB)

20 Gay marriage and immigration. I feel like I'm in that Groundhog Day movie.

Posted by: NCKate at March 25, 2013 02:59 AM (zCfJt)

21 Hey JJ, when does Passover actually begin? This Gentile is too lazy to look it up.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at March 25, 2013 03:00 AM (sQ0LB)

22 20 at least in that movie everything works out in the end. No matter what we will get hit with the barbed dick of satan

Posted by: Alex Stephens at March 25, 2013 03:01 AM (aPAIU)

23 I think the style guide requires the phrase "barbed cock of Satan"?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at March 25, 2013 03:02 AM (sQ0LB)

24 :::550 Gay marriage post. It's coming. And Gabe's coming with it. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 06:42 AM (rL2Ar):::: Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 06:47 AM Oh, man. I'm good.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 03:03 AM (rL2Ar)

25 EoJ, you're a very bad man, who happens to be good at clairvoyance.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at March 25, 2013 03:04 AM (sQ0LB)

26 Stephen ask Slovenia. But they probably would say it seemed a good idea at the time.

http://youtu.be/62Qfbrc1jdo

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2013 03:04 AM (iGhmo)

Morning, 'rons and 'ronettes. Got up late and am running late, so no story today. Deepest apologies.

See you all tomorrow.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 25, 2013 03:04 AM (zF6Iw)

28 23 stupid kindle autocorrect

Posted by: Alex Stephens at March 25, 2013 03:04 AM (aPAIU)

29 Hope your Monday is fair and not maddening MPPPP.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2013 03:06 AM (iGhmo)

30 Shift's done. No booze at the Red Roof unfortunately, and by the time I get home I'll be inside my 8 hour rule for drinking before a shift. Some degenerate have 3 fingers for me this morning for the little one who didn't make it last night.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at March 25, 2013 03:08 AM (sQ0LB)

31 Think your Monday is bad?

http://youtu.be/EPBkQ4LN_7U

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2013 03:08 AM (iGhmo)

32 In cases of police and prosecutor misconduct, anyone who is still alive should spend the rest of their life in prison and be stripped of any pensions and have all of their assets transferred to the person they fucked over even if that means their families are impoverished and living in a cardboard box.

The penalty for subversion of the system needs to be so harsh that none dare risk it.

THEN, the public might regain some small measure of confidence that the system is fair and just.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 25, 2013 03:10 AM (/gHaE)

33 All three plans call for improvements in border security. - Great idea! I call for free beer for everybody in the world! Well? Is it here yet??

Posted by: Brain Failure at March 25, 2013 03:11 AM (wjzQK)

34 21 Hey JJ, when does Passover actually begin? This Gentile is too lazy to look it up. Posted by: Conservative Crank at March 25, 2013 07:00 AM (sQ0LB) Tonight at sundown. The first seder is tonight, the second tomorrow and it will last until a week from tomorrow night. Just finished my soup and will make the matzo balls this afternoon.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 03:14 AM (tqLft)

35 15 Notice that everyone of the migration plans includes amnesty. - That's all right, because this will be the last amnesty ever, and we will never revisit this issue again. Ronald Reagan said so.

Posted by: Brain Failure at March 25, 2013 03:15 AM (wjzQK)

36 Passover lasts days, not the second seder. This is not a Hindu wedding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 03:15 AM (tqLft)

37 As the link I posted said, it doesn't matter what "reform" measure they propose for border control. Obama will not enforce any of them.

Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 03:16 AM (53z96)

38 Oh, man. I'm good.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 07:03 AM (rL2Ar

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Meh. It's like predicting an Ace movie review will run 10,000 words.

Posted by: Darth Randall at March 25, 2013 03:16 AM (lxc0s)

39 Posted by: @PurpAv at March 25, 2013 07:10 AM (/gHaE) I'd even entertain a "sins of the fathers" clause for this crap, because the police and prosecutors are using the immense power of the state against the unempowered individual.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 25, 2013 03:16 AM (Cnqmv)

40 EIGHT days! Mr. Cat is very insistent I pay attention to him.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 03:16 AM (tqLft)

41 Notice that everyone of the migration plans includes amnesty.

Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 06:57 AM (53z96)

I've long given up hope that there will not be amnesty. Too many of these asshats want to be liked instead of doing the right thing. I wish they would follow the West Point Cadet Prayer:

Make us to choose the harder right instead of the easier wrong, and never to be content with a half truth when the whole can be won.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at March 25, 2013 03:18 AM (Gkhxf)

42 The problem with police (and other officials) misconduct is the only people held accountable are the tax payers.

Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 03:19 AM (53z96)

43 41 Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at March 25, 2013 07:18 AM (Gkhxf) Wow. Great motto. Never heard it before but will use it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 03:19 AM (tqLft)

44 This Cyprus thing will not end well. EU politicians and bankers are gonna be getting "retired" early over this...

...by "retired", I mean the way Stalin retired his enemies early.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 25, 2013 03:19 AM (/gHaE)

45 If McRINO gets any more senile, he'll be as dumb as his fatassed daughter.,

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 25, 2013 03:20 AM (vcndg)

46 Notice that everyone of the migration plans includes amnesty. Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 06:57 AM (53z96) I prefer migration to immigration since it implies movement back in the other direction.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 03:20 AM (tqLft)

47 Capt Hate, still won't be as dumb as Slo Joe Biden.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2013 03:21 AM (iGhmo)

48 One plan may look better than the others,but they are all horrible.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at March 25, 2013 03:22 AM (d6349)

49 I've long given up hope that there will not be amnesty. Too many of these asshats want to be liked instead of doing the right thing. I wish they would follow the West Point Cadet Prayer:Make us to
choose the harder right instead of the easier wrong, and never to be
content with a half truth when the whole can be won.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at March 25, 2013 07:18 AM (Gkhxf)

I dont think amnesty is about being liked, it's about social engineering.

They see themselves as gods.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at March 25, 2013 03:22 AM (AWmfW)

50 Regarding automatic amnesty, the sell-out RINO castes view this as necessary because "what new hispanic voter would vote for the party that wanted/wants to deport his grandmother". This in spite of the fact that the grandmother in this case must have been illegal, probably used free emergency room resources to have several anchor babies, till doesn't speak English, and will never multiple vote R in any case.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 25, 2013 03:22 AM (Cnqmv)

51 Amnesty? Sure. As long as that includes a provision you can't vote for 20 years. Want full citizenship rights? Come in through the front door

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 25, 2013 03:22 AM (/gHaE)

52 Cadet Prayer: http://www.usma.edu/chaplain/SitePages/Cadet%20Prayer.aspx

It was one of the many things we had to memorize as Plebes at West Point. It's amazing how often it comes to mind when talking about politics.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at March 25, 2013 03:22 AM (Gkhxf)

53 I think the style guide requires the phrase "barbed cock of Satan"? I thought it was the "barbed warcock of Satan". Or was that "brarbed warcock of Cheney"?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2013 03:23 AM (d0Dmj)

54 37 As the link I posted said, it doesn't matter what "reform" measure they propose for border control. Obama will not enforce any of them. - The kicker is, at some point there will be a RINO-in-chief, and he won't enforce the law either. More likely he'll take the W line, and you know what that is, don't you, you "people who don't want to do what's right for America"?

Posted by: Chromoly Man at March 25, 2013 03:23 AM (wjzQK)

55 51 Amnesty? Sure. As long as that includes a provision you can't vote for 20 years. Want full citizenship rights? Come in through the front door Posted by: @PurpAv at March 25, 2013 07:22 AM (/gHaE) 20? Fuck no. Minimum 25.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 03:24 AM (tqLft)

56 Term limits in the Senate. We need them. Two seems like a fair number, after that they're only acting in their own interests, not of the country. For crying out loud, even FDR shut off immigration when the economy was in the tank.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 25, 2013 03:24 AM (feFL6)

57 Amnesty? Sure. As long as that includes a provision you can't vote for 20 years. Want full citizenship rights? Come in through the front door Posted by: @PurpAv at March 25, 2013 07:22 AM (/gHaE) That would sort of make us still a nation of laws, so it's a non-starter!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 25, 2013 03:25 AM (Cnqmv)

58 Charlotte mayor being considered for Obama's sec. of transportation. Zero experience. Fitting.

Posted by: NCKate at March 25, 2013 03:25 AM (zCfJt)

59 56 For crying out loud, even FDR shut off immigration when the economy was in the tank. Posted by: Regular Moron at March 25, 2013 07:24 AM (feFL6) The Joos. They controlled the banks, media and spread capitalism and communism at the same time. Good move on his part as well as Cordell Hulll.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 03:26 AM (tqLft)

60 First it's two dinners, then a week, then 8 days, next thing you know the Jews will want their own country. Greedy little people, aren't they? (I kid, I kid)

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 25, 2013 03:26 AM (Hl8lr)

61 13 Anyone else notice the initials of the title these threads is "THC"? I always refer (reefer?) to it as the THC. It seems to bug some people.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 25, 2013 03:27 AM (tOkJB)

62 15 Notice that everyone of the migration plans includes amnesty. Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 06:57 AM (53z96) Ship has basically already sailed. People in the US are too "nice", might as well settle for the best deal you can get. I still want to ensure that the plans don't stick all the illegal immigrants in the line for green cards. I say give them visas to work and pay taxes, and allow them to apply for a green card just like any other foreign national in Mexico City. They should be able to make the trip home to apply(and come back to work again).

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 25, 2013 03:28 AM (FsUAO)

63 And guess what race the Charlotte Mayor is? Obama appoints almost nothing but black males to his offices. If a white President appointed nothing but white males the press hue and cry would be loud and constant.

Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 03:28 AM (53z96)

64 60 First it's two dinners, then a week, then 8 days, next thing you know the Jews will want their own country. Greedy little people, aren't they? (I kid, I kid) Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 25, 2013 07:26 AM (Hl8lr) Jesus Christ, you're killin' me! Or is it the other way around? Yipes!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 03:29 AM (tqLft)

65 Amnesty? Sure. As long as that includes a provision you can't vote for 20 years. Want full citizenship rights? Come in through the front door Posted by: @PurpAv at March 25, 2013 07:22 AM (/gHaE) 20? Fuck no. Minimum 25. Fuck no. Deportation & repatriation to country of origin. That, or I want a list of crimes, IN WRITING, that I, as a citizen that was born here, will not be enforced, should I choose to break them. Fuck giving them a pass on lawbreaking.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2013 03:29 AM (d0Dmj)

66 THE is a fitting name for gabes thread

Posted by: Alex Stephens at March 25, 2013 03:30 AM (aPAIU)

67 THE is a fitting name for gabes thread The Hot Early thread?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2013 03:31 AM (d0Dmj)

68 @51 Yeah, like once they have ID they won't be voting. They want to let them vote now.

Let me get this straight, SoCons talking about social issues (abortion, homosexual marriage, etc.) is a detriment to the party according to the non-SoCons except when the non-SoCons want to change a position on a social issue on which the SoCons disagree. Then that is not a problem. We should stick with economics and government policies unless the "It's only the economy people" decide "We need homosexual marriage now!!!!"

Libertarians:
1. Get rid of welfare.
2. Open the borders to everyone, especially people who love government goodies.
3. Let those people who love government goodies vote.
4. ......
5. Victory!!!

Posted by: Chris at March 25, 2013 03:31 AM (aBOfW)

69 God damn kindle. switching to desktop

Posted by: Alex Stephens at March 25, 2013 03:32 AM (aPAIU)

70 65 Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2013 07:29 AM (d0Dmj) In a sane world yes. In an even saner world the Hart-Celler Act of 1965 would have never been passed. Border security only. Then, penalize heavily anyone who knowingly employs illegals. No welfare or benefits to foreign nationals. I don't care if you're hear a day or a decade. You caused the problem by sneaking in. Oh well, never happen.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 03:32 AM (tqLft)

71 That's because merely being a white male is racist, they're priviledged and such. So I'm told regularly by women, blacks, gays, and others who have the priviledge of knowing merely breathing the word lawsuit will open any door for them, or give them immunity from incompetence--if that meant anything at MSDNC.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 25, 2013 03:32 AM (Hl8lr)

72 Watched an Anthony Bourdain show yesterday where he travels to Cuba. His takeaway, three things Cuba does well; education, healthcare, and baseball. Three things they don't do well; breakfast, lunch, and dinner. The commie prole peeps can't afford to eat in the restaurants he visited. Empty except for tourists. It was quite a trip to see all the 1950 vintage cars still running. Like a time warp. Or our future.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 25, 2013 03:33 AM (feFL6)

73 I am content to simply have a cat purring on my lap. My only wish is that she wasn't 25 pounds

Posted by: Alex Stephens at March 25, 2013 03:33 AM (aPAIU)

74 Zissen pesach to J.J. Sefton and our fellow Jewish morons. The story about David Ranta, who suffered a heart attack after being imprisoned wrongly for 23 years, is awful.

Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at March 25, 2013 03:34 AM (lAdCl)

75 Well played, Mr. Sefton.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 25, 2013 03:34 AM (Hl8lr)

76 Actually, does the "RINO" tag work any more? On reflection, I'm doubting it. Lose on immigration, lose on every issue. Mass immigration plus forced integration means goodbye whites, in the long run, and as the white conservative base declines, so does its influence on every topic. All official, professional Republicans are in favor of mass immigration, legal and illegal, with amnesty on top. That means, for the long run, they have all sold out on every issue. They are in it for the paycheck and the bribes. After them comes the deluge, and they don't care. They just want to die with the most toys. Pretty much everyone knows what the big cave in on mass immigration means too. That is why people say, "let them vote, but not for twenty-five years," or "let them come and let them vote, but let them not vote till after I'm dead". That's an admission that people know what's coming, they just want to die in peace personally. OK, if that's what the Republican party stands for, where is the sting in being "Republican In Name Only"? It's like being called a SINO: "Sellout In Name Only".

Posted by: Chromoly Man at March 25, 2013 03:35 AM (wjzQK)

77 Being a regular cisscum is evil

Posted by: Stupid liberal in stupid land at March 25, 2013 03:36 AM (aPAIU)

78 His takeaway, three things Cuba does well; education, healthcare, and baseball.

Healthcare???? When Castro needed a Doctor he left the country. Cuba does nothing well since the commies took over. Before that they at least made a good cigar.

Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 03:36 AM (53z96)

79 Yeah, like once they have ID they won't be voting.

Provisional citizenship. Fuckup and its stripped and you get deported on the next flight.

They won't risk that.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 25, 2013 03:36 AM (/gHaE)

80 And guess what race the Charlotte Mayor is? Obama appoints almost nothing but black males to his offices.

He appoints white males, too. J-Nap, Kagan, Sunstein.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at March 25, 2013 03:36 AM (hO8IJ)

81 Just finished my soup and will make the matzo balls this afternoon. Soup for breakfast? And what are you going to eat the matzos with now that all the soup is gone? Is this some sort of new twist on an old tradition?

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 25, 2013 03:36 AM (tOkJB)

82 Being a normal, non homosexual person is wrong

Posted by: Gabe of the computer screen at March 25, 2013 03:37 AM (aPAIU)

83 That's because merely being a white male is racist, they're priviledged and such. The word "racist" = son of a bitch to me. I tell people that call me that, (besides asking them when did xxx become a race), if I was as racist as you claim, you'd either be swinging from a lamp post or sleeping in a shallow grave. IOW, piss off.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2013 03:37 AM (d0Dmj)

84 81: I make pee soup

Posted by: very bad pun at March 25, 2013 03:37 AM (aPAIU)

85 The IRS wasted a pile of money on a Star Trek parody video. ..and the IRS has studios, why? Amnesty? Sure. As long as that includes a provision you can't vote for 20 years. Want full citizenship rights? Come in through the front door Posted by: @PurpAv at March 25, 2013 07:22 AM (/gHaE) Yep and within two months, the fuckin' UN will determine that that's torture.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 25, 2013 03:37 AM (KWlvw)

86 So after gay marriage gets the stamp of approval, what do they go after next? They tried Trannies in Uniform after DADT repeal, maybe they'll go for the normalization of sex with minors. Only sure thing is that they won't stop screaming bloody murder about something, somewhere. Being "oppressed" is the most important part of their lives, can't lose that.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 25, 2013 03:38 AM (ZshNr)

87 72 Posted by: Regular Moron at March 25, 2013 07:33 AM (feFL6) I used to like Bourdain until I saw his show in Beirut. He was there in '06 when Israel retaliated. Made zero effort to understand Israel's reasons for the raids and gladly swallowed the Lebanese gait-prop. Of course, he also visited Saudi Arabia and had a fantastic time! Fuck him. He should've OD'd long ago.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 03:38 AM (tqLft)

88 - "A pal of mine put together an outstanding guide to the various immigration reform proposals detailing their similarities and differences. The Gang of Eight plan looks better than both the White House's and Sen. Paul's, and ain't that a kick in the pants." Yeah, but the irony would be lost on the horrible demographics that make up such large percentages of the Internet's chattering classes. And on this subject here's the greatest irony of all: Since the Reagan-Kennedy amnesty disaster of the 1980's the best plan by far is the one W. Bush & Co. put forth in 2005-2006. Go figure.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at March 25, 2013 03:38 AM (r2PLg)

89 86: fat lesbian rights

Posted by: very bad pun at March 25, 2013 03:39 AM (aPAIU)

90 Vic, Obama is also considering Mel Watt to head the Federal Housing Finance Agency that regulates Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Posted by: NCKate at March 25, 2013 03:39 AM (zCfJt)

91 81 Just finished my soup and will make the matzo balls this afternoon. Soup for breakfast? And what are you going to eat the matzos with now that all the soup is gone? Is this some sort of new twist on an old tradition? Posted by: Ed Anger at March 25, 2013 07:36 AM (tOkJB) It's for tonight, heathen! Anyway, old childhood memory of crumbling matzo into coffee... and liking it. My tastes have definitely changed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 03:39 AM (tqLft)

92 86: as an otherkin, I have rights as well

Posted by: Otherkin at March 25, 2013 03:40 AM (aPAIU)

93 http://preview.tinyurl.com/d9cuy7f Coulda-shoulda-woulda... and, by and large, if they'd been jailed for drug crimes during the time they were living in the White House, we all would have been better off. Government grew. Liberty was diluted.

Posted by: Thorvald at March 25, 2013 03:40 AM (1V6Pv)

94 I am actually a vanilla wafer, a wafer stuck in a human body

Posted by: Otherkin at March 25, 2013 03:40 AM (aPAIU)

95 PurpleAv, how many people now get seriously dinged for violating election laws? If they vote it mass, the talk will be about how they are paying taxes and not getting to vote. Keep dreaming that they won't be citizens and voting inside of five years.

Posted by: Chris at March 25, 2013 03:41 AM (aBOfW)

96 90 Vic, Obama is also considering Mel Watt to head the Federal Housing Finance Agency that regulates Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Posted by: NCKate at March 25, 2013 07:39 AM (zCfJt) Or James Watt's 2 blacks, a Jew and a cripple.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 03:41 AM (tqLft)

97 51 Amnesty? Sure. As long as that includes a provision you can't vote for 20 years. Want full citizenship rights? Come in through the front door Posted by: @PurpAv at March 25, 2013 07:22 AM (/gHaE) Couple that with a draconianly enforced law requiring EVERY business to use something like e-verify, speedily deport those caught at crimes, and the problem solves itself-hell you could do even 10 years clean residency, solving the problem without being seen as "mean" on illegal immigration.

Posted by: Frank Burns at March 25, 2013 03:41 AM (aH+zP)

98 Regarding Cypriot banking, "All your bank deposit are now belong to us." This... this could end really badly.

Posted by: Thorvald at March 25, 2013 03:41 AM (1V6Pv)

99 I demand an end to specieism

Posted by: Otherkin at March 25, 2013 03:41 AM (aPAIU)

100 I want the E verify system expanded

Posted by: Alex Stephens: exiled to Avernum at March 25, 2013 03:42 AM (aPAIU)

101 Weird. Senator McCain reaching across the aisle to eff the American People?!? I'd never guess that in a million years. http://preview.tinyurl.com/aeshq4k 1. Most politicians are whores. 2. If you give government power, they will use it to eff you.

Posted by: Thorvald at March 25, 2013 03:43 AM (1V6Pv)

102 101: with a barbed cock

Posted by: Alex Stephens: exiled to Avernum at March 25, 2013 03:44 AM (aPAIU)

103 OK, if that's what the Republican party stands for, where is the sting in being "Republican In Name Only"? It's like being called a SINO: "Sellout In Name Only".

Posted by: Chromoly Man at March 25, 2013 07:35 AM (wjzQK)

The platform doesn't mean a fucking thing. Assholes like Rob Portman can go prancing to all the gab shows and brag about how enlightened he is because of his homo son and there's not a fucking bit of pushback from the party telling him he can vote how ever he wants but to keep his simple mouth shut when going against the platform. Meanwhile the right to lifers, of which I'm not one, have their language in the platform but no elected officials will ever do a damn thing for them.

Thanks to the Bushes and Rove, the party stopped standing for anything in order to get a permanent Republican majority. That's worked out about as well as expected.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 25, 2013 03:44 AM (vcndg)

104 Let me put this diplomatically. FDA, keep your mother-fracking hands off my cigars.

Posted by: Starbuck at March 25, 2013 03:45 AM (8NlUk)

105 88 And on this subject here's the greatest irony of all: Since the Reagan-Kennedy amnesty disaster of the 1980's the best plan by far is the one W. Bush & Co. put forth in 2005-2006. Go figure. - Every year, due to mass immigration, the demographics are going to get worse, the electorate will move left, and everything will get worse. There's nothing hard to figure or ironic about it. Plug the leak or the ship goes under.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at March 25, 2013 03:45 AM (wjzQK)

106 I'm 90% certain Roberts is gay. He has "the look." Yes, it's just a guess, but I'm almost never wrong on this, when they have "the look." I had a brother who was gay and he had the look, as did a lot of his friends. Now, that doesn't include the times when they don't have "the look," like the guy I met on a drilling rig, who was built like Howie Long, handsome like Howie, and left after another roughneck got offended at being propositioned one night when they were alone on a drilling mud barge. NTTAWWT,.

But Roberts has "the look." I'm thinking an old partner was held over his head during the ObamaCare decision. And there would be something wrong with that.

Posted by: Salt Lick at March 25, 2013 03:45 AM (lEFeW)

107 103: Having a gay son proves how great of a father he is/sarc

Posted by: Alex Stephens: exiled to Avernum at March 25, 2013 03:45 AM (aPAIU)

108 @91 Charoset!

Posted by: Thorvald at March 25, 2013 03:45 AM (1V6Pv)

109 Fuck him. He should've OD'd long ago. Yeah, I've seen whenever he visits islamist countries he's not too bright. But on this particular show he seemed to be a little more fair and balanced. He was letting the Cuban higher up shills get their say, while the camera continually panned the crumbling buildings. Crumbling buildings, did I say that yet? Every fucking where. The entire country looks like one Cat 4 away from falling to the ground. But the people have their free education, free healthcare, and baseball.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 25, 2013 03:46 AM (feFL6)

110 Tov paysach l-kol ha-yam!

Posted by: Thorvald at March 25, 2013 03:46 AM (1V6Pv)

111 It was one of the many things we had to memorize as Plebes at West Point. It's amazing how often it comes to mind when talking about politics. Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at March 25, 2013 07:22 AM (Gkhxf) An Academy man -- I'm impressed. A ring knocker, too?

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 25, 2013 03:46 AM (tOkJB)

112 Gabe doesn't really believe the Supremes will uphold DOMA and Prop 8. He wants you to think it's not a done deal, for the suspense, but it's a done deal.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 25, 2013 03:47 AM (BeSEI)

113 Vic, Obama is also considering Mel Watt to head the Federal Housing Finance Agency that regulates Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Posted by: NCKate at March 25, 2013 07:39 AM (zCfJt)

Yeah, I posted on that a few days ago. Another black male and social justice lawyer.

Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 03:47 AM (53z96)

114 112: So who would vote down those things?

Posted by: Alex Stephens: exiled to Avernum at March 25, 2013 03:48 AM (aPAIU)

115 The guy that just got out of jail?

I'm thinking he got too . . . excited about something. IYKWIMAITTYD

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 25, 2013 03:48 AM (Kpn/z)

116 108 @91 Charoset! Posted by: Thorvald at March 25, 2013 07:45 AM (1V6Pv) We've been eating bitter herbs for the past 4 years. Or having them rammed up our noses.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 03:48 AM (tqLft)

117 Well good morning Horde. This day is starting just like all of last week went. Shitty. Nothing like having to turn down the opportunity to bid work because you didn't have time to get to it because of the nonstop clusterfucking that went on last week.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 25, 2013 03:48 AM (da5Wo)

118 "The trouble with America is that it's full of Americans!" --Sh*t Barack Obama Said To Himself, Volume XVII

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 25, 2013 03:49 AM (Hl8lr)

119 99 I demand an end to specieism - In time, you'll get it. There's be a taxpayer funded quasi-government lobby / bureau that decides on behalf of all voting species which way they all vote. And the numbers will be big enough to make human votes unimportant. And that's good. 'Cause I'm gonna reincarnate as an endangered animal. And when the government votes all those allocated extra votes for me, I'm going to win the election every time, even if I don't know it.

Posted by: Brain Failure at March 25, 2013 03:49 AM (wjzQK)

120 114 -

Your betters, that's who.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 25, 2013 03:50 AM (BeSEI)

121 The government class have decreed that the current electorate is not to their liking, so they will import a new electorate. Am I the only one that's noticed there's something conspicuously missing from today's gay news roundup? What's your take on judge Vaughan, Gabirel?

Posted by: Truman North socks a lib at March 25, 2013 03:51 AM (hjSgF)

122
WUWT just won the science Weblog of the year...for the third time. Sadly, they can't win in this category again.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 25, 2013 03:51 AM (0IhFx)

123 I used to like Bourdain until I saw his show in Beirut. He was there in '06 when Israel retaliated. Made zero effort to understand Israel's reasons for the raids and gladly swallowed the Lebanese gait-prop. Bourdain's mother worked for The New York Times as a staff editor. The fruit doesn't fall too far from the tree.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 25, 2013 03:51 AM (tOkJB)

124 Mel Watt = Franklin Raines = Eric Holder = Frank Marshall Davis

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 03:52 AM (tqLft)

125 103 Meanwhile the right to lifers, of which I'm not one, have their language in the platform but no elected officials will ever do a damn thing for them. Thanks to the Bushes and Rove, the party stopped standing for anything in order to get a permanent Republican majority. That's worked out about as well as expected. - Truth and more truth.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at March 25, 2013 03:52 AM (wjzQK)

126 A beautiful spring day in Northern Virginia - forecast to get up to three inches of springlike weather.

Posted by: @JohnTant at March 25, 2013 03:53 AM (tVWQB)

127

I just checked and I didn't see any global warming conferences scheduled for today...usually that explains these snap snowstorms in DC.

Posted by: @JohnTant at March 25, 2013 03:55 AM (tVWQB)

128 ::::Thanks to the Bushes and Rove, the party stopped standing for anything in order to get a permanent Republican majority. That's worked out about as well as expected.::;; I've been thinking about that a lot lately. The GOP doesn't have an identity of its own anymore. Only the one the left has branded it with: "Rich, old white men." If we don't get an infusion of young conservative firepissers soon, there is going to be no obvious home for the conservative movement. Right now, the trend is to be pulled left on social issues by simpletons like Sarah Cupp and Pappy Von Fruitbat's son in the Senate. It's going to be a very short trip from there to a center-left party. MORE center-left, before Captain Hate jumps all over me. We're going to be Canada in the 80s and 90s, but without the parliamentary structure to check the most extreme elements on the left.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 03:56 AM (JDIKC)

129 We finally got a couple inches of global warming last night. It's beautiful. Still coming down, looks like sledding is on the docket for later today! pic.twitter.com/Wqkvul1mKu

Posted by: Frank Burns at March 25, 2013 03:57 AM (aH+zP)

130 Off MASH sock!

Posted by: Weirddave at March 25, 2013 03:58 AM (aH+zP)

131 79 Yeah, like once they have ID they won't be voting. Provisional citizenship. Fuckup and its stripped and you get deported on the next flight. They won't risk that. Posted by: @PurpAv at March 25, 2013 07:36 AM (/gHaE) You're right. The ruling class would never risk that kind of law.

Posted by: Truman North socks a lib at March 25, 2013 03:58 AM (I2LwF)

132 No worries EoJ, our bilingual friend Jeb is here to bring in those naturally Conservative young latino/hispanic/anybody-who's-brown-and-speaks-spanish voters.

Problem. Solved.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 25, 2013 03:59 AM (da5Wo)

133

Meanwhile the right to lifers, of which I'm not one, have their language in the platform but no elected officials will ever do a damn thing for them.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Partial birth abortion ban? Repeated attacks on Obama for funding abortions? Repeated attacks on the Democrats for mandating abortifacent coverage? Introduced, once again, the federal fetal personhood bill?

You are living in some dream world if you think that elected Republicans aren't fighting for their pro-life beliefs and vocally so.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 03:59 AM (NfIvb)

134 Yeah, like once they have ID they won't be voting.

I like how you say that as if they aren't already voting now, in the states with mail-in registration and no ID check at the polls.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at March 25, 2013 04:00 AM (hO8IJ)

135 http://tinyurl.com/d69md53

another take on the effect of Bush and Rove

Posted by: Buddha at March 25, 2013 04:00 AM (8NlUk)

136 :::.I'm 90% certain Roberts is gay. He has "the look."::::; It's easy to tell when a dude is gay. If he's blowing you, and it definitely feels like he's done it before? Gay.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 04:00 AM (JDIKC)

137 My daughter is not amused with today's weather. It's her first day of Spring Break. pic.twitter.com/dVa53R0E1G

Posted by: spypeach at March 25, 2013 04:03 AM (6xG9/)

138 *tap tap tap*

Anyone alive? Comments are slow this morning.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 25, 2013 04:03 AM (da5Wo)

139 Gabe doesn't really believe the Supremes will uphold DOMA and Prop 8. He wants you to think it's not a done deal, for the suspense, but it's a done deal.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 25, 2013 07:47 AM (BeSEI)

I love when you guys try and tell me what I "really believe." It's so cute.

My predictions: DOMA sec. 3 is done-zo. Won't pass rational basis scrutiny.

Prop 8 is more difficult to predict. I'll say they uphold it or they'll dodge the issue and say the proponents lack standing to bring the appeal.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 04:03 AM (NfIvb)

140 You are living in some dream world if you think that elected Republicans aren't fighting for their pro-life beliefs and vocally so. Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 07:59 AM (NfIvb) Don't mind him, he's chest thumping and tearing his shirt in agony.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 25, 2013 04:03 AM (FsUAO)

141 I think judge Vaughan should get a front row seat at the scotus case. With a "I <3 Gay Marriage" pennant and a big foam fist.

Posted by: Truman North at March 25, 2013 04:03 AM (I2LwF)

142 Yeah Malor, I'm the dumb one. All those "repeated attacks" are just fucking sops to pretend that they give a rat's ass about it and are about as strategically effective and serious as Boehner defunding JEFCare.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 25, 2013 04:04 AM (vcndg)

143 It's easy to tell when a dude is gay. If he's blowing you, and it definitely feels like he's done it before? Gay. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 08:00 AM (JDIKC) I wish these fags would stop blowing me!!!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 25, 2013 04:04 AM (FsUAO)

144 The other thing about Bourdain is that he looks like a flaming alcoholic. He shills for whoever supplies him with booze. In Cuba he was drinking straight rum, downing it with ease. I've seen him go through a couple bottles of vodka at lunch, once again with ease. I think I enjoyed the Cuba program because I tend to 'turn off' propaganda (sound) in my brain, while I focus on the visual -- because I pick up more details that way. Stuff like the buildings looking maintained for the first 10 feet from ground level, then higher up disheveled, then crumbling at the roof-lines. As if it's a Potemkin village for tourists. The camera caught it all though.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 25, 2013 04:04 AM (feFL6)

145 Sen. Paul's claim is historically ignorant and a cop-out.

The state got involved in marriage precisely because rich and powerful men couldn't get their bishops to annul their marriages so they could go after younger women.

So, you know, sin.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at March 25, 2013 04:04 AM (2Oas0)

146 142 Yeah Malor, I'm the dumb one. All those "repeated attacks" are just fucking sops to pretend that they give a rat's ass about it and are about as strategically effective and serious as Boehner defunding JEFCare. Posted by: Captain Hate at March 25, 2013 08:04 AM (vcndg) Ok what do you want Bush to have done? Pack the court?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 25, 2013 04:04 AM (FsUAO)

147

Opposing partial birth abortion is less of a "pro life" position and more of a "pro-humanity" position. Seems disingenuous to include it as a principled GOP success story.

Posted by: @JohnTant at March 25, 2013 04:05 AM (tVWQB)

148 Idea: we need a mole in the press. Someone to keep an open mic on their little kaffeeklatsches and also on Obama any time he appears in public. Collect for a year. Release everything in October 2014. Fill the web with ads featuring the audio of how stupid the press thinks the citizens are and how much Obama loathes everyone, even his own supporters.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 25, 2013 04:05 AM (Hl8lr)

149 If he's blowing you,
Gay.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 08:00 AM (JDIKC)

'Nuff said.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 25, 2013 04:05 AM (Kpn/z)

150 When it comes to abortion, we are effed unless we can erode/overturn Roe. Otherwise we can only nip around the edges.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 25, 2013 04:05 AM (FsUAO)

151 I hope the SCOTUS gives gay marriage their big stamp of approval. ....and then, finally (!), homosexuals will have won their final battle and they'll quietly return to their live... with no more agenda left to pursue.

Posted by: Icedog at March 25, 2013 04:05 AM (9ScGj)

152 We are almost into April now and the high here yesterday was a whopping 46Â° and that was at midnight.

Where is my damn globull warming?

Posted by: Vic at March 25, 2013 04:06 AM (53z96)

153 Oh I forgot, not allowing Bush a little leeway for not being a tyrant doesn't allow shirt tearing. KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 25, 2013 04:06 AM (FsUAO)

154 Ok what do you want Bush to have done?

Pack the court?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 25, 2013 08:04 AM (FsUAO)

Bush? Nothing. But as a general rule, I'd prefer socons not be told to sit down and shut the fuck up you're ruining everything, whenever something goes wrong.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 25, 2013 04:06 AM (da5Wo)

155

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 25, 2013 08:03 AM (da5Wo)

Hamsters are sluggish on account of the weather. Punk.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 04:07 AM (NfIvb)

156 At least (non-RINO) Ted Cruz is fighting against abortion with his amendment of not funding the United Nations over member statesÂ’ policy of involuntary abortions (note: it was voted down). http://preview.tinyurl.com/bu49bly

Posted by: Kermit Gosnell at March 25, 2013 04:07 AM (KqmXZ)

157 148 Idea: we need a mole in the press. Someone to keep an open mic on their little kaffeeklatsches and also on Obama any time he appears in public. Collect for a year. Release everything in October 2014. Fill the web with ads featuring the audio of how stupid the press thinks the citizens are and how much Obama loathes everyone, even his own supporters. Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 25, 2013 08:05 AM (Hl8lr) Problem #1: who is this "we"? Everyone with enough money for an ad blitz either supports Obama or will just steal the money for themselves. Problem #2: it won't work. We had the demonstrably worst presidential term in modern history, and yet he still bought and stole enough votes to win.

Posted by: Truman North at March 25, 2013 04:08 AM (I2LwF)

158 The GOP is dead because it does not stand for anything. It is now in perpetual apology mode for conservatism - or at least apologizing for what the Leftist false narrative states conservatism is. I'm fully aware that the culture, MFM and academia are stacked against us. But I don't think they would be impossible to overcome if we had a party that once again stood for something that was in sharp contrast to the other side. Their side, and in particular the youth vote, stayed home in droves last election. Unfortunately, more of our base stayed home as well which gave SCOAMF the win. Just a thought.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 04:09 AM (tqLft)

159

Yeah Malor, I'm the dumb one. All those "repeated attacks" are just fucking sops to pretend that they give a rat's ass about it and are about as strategically effective and serious as Boehner defunding JEFCare.

See, the complaint was that GOP electeds weren't "doing a damn thing" for the pro-life movement. In fact, they have done quite a bit and continue to push the issue even during these years out of power in the Senate and White House. But I know how much you guys like to claim you're victims. Thus your false insistence that the GOP is doing nothing. It's okay. Claim your victimhood. It's all the rage these days. Next you'll tell me how much pro-lifers are getting bullied.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 04:09 AM (NfIvb)

160 Hamsters are sluggish on account of the weather. Punk.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 08:07 AM (NfIvb)

Well tell Pixy or Ace or you Cobs or whoever to get off your asses and upgrade the site! Hamsters? Good grief, everybody knows guinea pigs are where it's at now.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 25, 2013 04:09 AM (da5Wo)

161 I think the way we win is to create new Republicans out of non-voters.

Posted by: Truman North at March 25, 2013 04:09 AM (I2LwF)

162 " It's easy to tell when a dude is gay. If he's blowing you, and it definitely feels like he's done it before?" If you taste feces on his penis that's usually a dead giveaway.

Posted by: Icedog at March 25, 2013 04:09 AM (9ScGj)

163 *head desk* You don't have to love Bush. You just can't say that Bush should have banned abortion ELEVENTY!!! to "rebut" Gabe's point that the pro-life movement has made both real and symbolic gains in the public sphere.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 25, 2013 04:10 AM (FsUAO)

164 162 " It's easy to tell when a dude is gay. If he's blowing you, and it definitely feels like he's done it before?" If you taste feces on his penis that's usually a dead giveaway. Posted by: Icedog at March 25, 2013 08:09 AM (9ScGj) What if the feces tastes like Massengill?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 04:11 AM (tqLft)

165 The FDA is still trying to expand its authority to regulate cigars. That's an odd segue from gay marriage.

Posted by: zsasz at March 25, 2013 04:12 AM (MMC8r)

166 Pat Buchanan's rag is FOS.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 25, 2013 04:12 AM (tOkJB)

167 You play economics on offense. You can play social issues when you have the ball. All issues are at heart social issues, but social issues don't win elections. They are Second Refrigerator issues.

Posted by: Truman North at March 25, 2013 04:12 AM (I2LwF)

168

Well tell Pixy or Ace or you Cobs or whoever to get off your asses and upgrade the site!

#twoweeks

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 04:12 AM (NfIvb)

169 MD banned the sale through mail of cigars. We revolted. We won. Woop!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 25, 2013 04:13 AM (FsUAO)

170 TN, no one resents an insult like an idiot being told he's one. We can't impeach the MSM, but they sure as hell can do it to themselves. Joe Hipster will still be a liberal douche, but his aging parents won't pull the lever for people who shit on them.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 25, 2013 04:13 AM (Hl8lr)

171 But I know how much you guys like to claim you're victims. Thus your false insistence that the GOP is doing nothing. It's okay. Claim your victimhood. It's all the rage these days. Next you'll tell me how much pro-lifers are getting bullied.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 08:09 AM (NfIvb)

I guess you missed the part when I said I'm not a right to lifer. But keep on banging that strawman; it's very amusing.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 25, 2013 04:13 AM (vcndg)

172 Well tell Pixy or Ace or you Cobs or whoever to get off your asses and upgrade the site! #twoweeks Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 08:12 AM (NfIvb) Don't play with my heart.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 25, 2013 04:13 AM (FsUAO)

173 I usually have to visit the ONT for this level of depravity.

Posted by: Icedog at March 25, 2013 04:13 AM (9ScGj)

174 What wins elections is driving the other guy's turnout through the floor, and then getting your base to turn out. Ugly but true

Posted by: Truman North at March 25, 2013 04:14 AM (I2LwF)

175 Dese matzos got no balls!

Posted by: Bigby's Strong Arm Tactics at March 25, 2013 04:14 AM (3ZtZW)

176 Gabe, do you want to be a father some day?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 04:14 AM (JDIKC)

177 173 I usually have to visit the ONT for this level of depravity. Posted by: Icedog at March 25, 2013 08:13 AM (9ScGj) Have no fear. Sefton's here.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 04:14 AM (tqLft)

178 175 Dese matzos got no balls! Posted by: Bigby's Strong Arm Tactics at March 25, 2013 08:14 AM (3ZtZW) By the way, where exactly are the nuggets on a chicken?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 04:15 AM (tqLft)

179 151 I hope the SCOTUS gives gay marriage their big stamp of approval. ....and then, finally (!), homosexuals will have won their final battle and they'll quietly return to their live... with no more agenda left to pursue.

Posted by: Icedog at March 25, 2013 08:05 AM (9ScGj)

Sarcasm, right? Because school curriculums are next (wedding photos in sociology class and if anybody snickers it's a hate crime), along with the Boy Scouts' collapse.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at March 25, 2013 04:15 AM (2Oas0)

180 I don't want an upgraded site. I want it like this.

Posted by: Truman North at March 25, 2013 04:15 AM (I2LwF)

181 Well tell Pixy or Ace or you Cobs or whoever to get off your asses and upgrade the site!

#twoweeks

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 08:12 AM (NfIvb)

Is this breaking news?!

Posted by: Tami[/i] at March 25, 2013 04:16 AM (X6akg)

182 Don't you dare New Coke me

Posted by: Truman North at March 25, 2013 04:16 AM (I2LwF)

183 147 Opposing partial birth abortion is less of a "pro life" position and more of a "pro-humanity" position. Seems disingenuous to include it as a principled GOP success story. Posted by: @JohnTant at March 25, 2013 08:05 AM (tVWQB)
Pro-life IS pro humanity. That's kind of the whole point. If you buy the garbage that the abortion lobby spews about "clump of cells" and all that, the pro-life position makes no sense. If I didn't believe that those "clumps of cells" were humans being killed, I wouldn't care.

Posted by: Weirddave at March 25, 2013 04:16 AM (aH+zP)

184 I was a big fan of abortion until I turned 16 I think. Because before that it just seemed like the cool position.

Posted by: Truman North at March 25, 2013 04:18 AM (I2LwF)

185 183 Posted by: Weirddave at March 25, 2013 08:16 AM (aH+zP) So if I shove a hot fork in the eye of a Planned Parenthood street volunteer, I can tell him "relax, it's just a clump of cells."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 04:18 AM (tqLft)

186 #44 I read a column in the Scotsman last night which said that Cyprus and Syria are connected in a strange way, because Russia's only Mediterranean port is in Tartous, Syria. If they lose that through the fall of Assad (dead or not-dead) then the most convenient place to move their fleet would be Cyprus, which is only 200 miles west.

Gazprom's banking division has enough money to bail Cyprus out in return for a port (and rights to some of the natural gas discovered off shore).

Good morning, all! 7 inches of snow here and still snowing.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 25, 2013 04:18 AM (GoIUi)

187 I bet a lot of pro-murder people just never had the epiphany that life and death issues shouldn't be decided on the basis of peer pressure.

Posted by: Truman North at March 25, 2013 04:18 AM (I2LwF)

188

Gabe, do you want to be a father some day?

Yup. Married too.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 04:19 AM (NfIvb)

189 Hate to see the blue-on-blue around here. Nah, I'm lying...it truly brings out the snarkiest best from the horde. ...and since you guys always run off all the trolls it's all we got.

Posted by: Icedog at March 25, 2013 04:19 AM (9ScGj)

190 188 I bet a lot of pro-murder people just never had the epiphany that life and death issues shouldn't be decided on the basis of peer pressure. Posted by: Truman North at March 25, 2013 08:18 AM (I2LwF) Sorry old man, gotta bend that cost curve.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 25, 2013 04:19 AM (FsUAO)

191 How about we stop trying to appease some amorphous idea of who are potential voters for agreeing to our view of what needs to be done in this country (which is bullshit because if they were potentially in agreement with us, they'd be voting with us) and simply present, cogently and consistently what those ideas are and what should be done to accomplish them and let the elections decide how things will be run.

You know like November '12?

The idea that pursuing citizens who don't care enough to have an opinion and vote using other reasons to pick a side will suddenly decide to vote with us because of our persuasive arguments is a fantasy. It's fun and amusing but it's not going to happen and will mostly lead to the party looking like what it does now; inconsistent, cynically shifting it's views only to win elections (power) and cannot articulate a majority of it's supposed view.

That they think other voters or their base will not be able to see through what and why they're changing long held opinions at this time is foolish and short sighted.

Anyone who thinks that doing so will be good for the party or America needs to do some serious thinking about what principals mean.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 25, 2013 04:20 AM (Kpn/z)

192 Come on people, there is no right to life in our founding documents! There is however a right to employee spousal benefits being extended to any guy who sucks his roommates cock. Read the damned history!

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 25, 2013 04:20 AM (ZshNr)

193 I don't get why two men would want to marry each other. It's bad enough being married to a woman.

Posted by: Truman North at March 25, 2013 04:20 AM (I2LwF)

194 So if I shove a hot fork in the eye of a Planned Parenthood street volunteer, I can tell him "relax, it's just a clump of cells." Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 08:18 AM (tqLft) Oh, I am so using that!

Posted by: Icedog at March 25, 2013 04:20 AM (9ScGj)

195 187 Posted by: Miss Marple at March 25, 2013 08:18 AM (GoIUi) That's the same gas field in the Med that Israel, Greece and Cyprus are partners on. Cyprus I suppose could sell part of the mineral rights to the mongoloid Russkies.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 04:20 AM (tqLft)

196 186 183 Posted by: Weirddave at March 25, 2013 08:16 AM (aH+zP) So if I shove a hot fork in the eye of a Planned Parenthood street volunteer, I can tell him "relax, it's just a clump of cells." Sounds like a plan to me.

Posted by: Weirddave at March 25, 2013 04:21 AM (aH+zP)

197 The Roberts Court is a joke. SCOTUS has become nothing but an arm of the populist movement.

Instead of actually interpreting the Constitution, they have invented decisions out of thin air using their "feelings" about the popularity of a particular measures.

The warning about an unelected branch of government at our founding have come true. The role of SCOTUS in the Constitution was deliberately limited to almost nothing and it should have stayed that way. Since Marbury vs. Madison it has been nothing but dillutive to our Constitutional Rights.

There isn't a bigger collection of oligarchs on the planet outside SCOTUS.

Posted by: Marcus at March 25, 2013 04:21 AM (GGCsk)

198 That's not a trick question, by the way. I ask, because one thing I think the vast majority of gays never think about is, "Then what?" Once you have gay marriage, then what? How do you perpetuate your community? Recruiting? Adoption, then pushing your children to be gay? Which is another question I have - would you want your son or daughter to be gay?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 04:21 AM (JDIKC)

199 I am so sick of the gay marriage debate. I don't want to know who is sucking what. Not my neighbors, not my coworkers and not my favorite blog's cobloggers. Suck whatever the hell you want, and just don't tell me about it. No one in my office knows what I suck at night, so why do I have to know that that the guy in front on me on the 101, with his little rainbow sticker, is doing. That is the heart of the problem right there. If they would just shut up and accept civil unions, they could live peacefully with no problems. but they want to tell everyone what they do to who. It's not polite. It's not well bred. It's boring.

Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at March 25, 2013 04:21 AM (zZJJp)

200 Is this breaking news?!

Posted by: Tami at March 25, 2013 08:16 AM (X6akg)

Andy assured us yesterday that the new site would be up and running in two weeks.

However....there is some confusion as to what calendar is being used.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 25, 2013 04:21 AM (3Mkrp)

201 196 Posted by: Icedog at March 25, 2013 08:20 AM (9ScGj) If you want to take it to the logical conclusion, a human body is a clump of cells, albeit billions upon billions, but a clump nonetheless. Just sayin'...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 04:22 AM (tqLft)

202 Guys, really, I was just kidding about #twoweeks.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 04:22 AM (NfIvb)

203 >>>However....there is some confusion as to what calendar is being used. I LOL'd

Posted by: Truman North at March 25, 2013 04:23 AM (I2LwF)

204 This Geay thing is such a disgrace , even the Frogs are against it, would not leave the backyard,If it were not for the fact the Redwings harvested the Ducks Yesterday, and my Red Wings Jerseyis clean to wear in LA today, I would sit by the pool and figure outa Master Plan witha Deck of Stella and the Dewars 1.75 Ballast.

Posted by: clemenza at March 25, 2013 04:24 AM (HMQ8k)

205 Funny how libs have such a cognitive dissonance between abortion and it's disparate effect on blacks. Almost as big as their dissonance on single mothers and criminal children, or single mothers and welfare use--it's like they don't see the real problems at all!

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 25, 2013 04:24 AM (Hl8lr)

206 Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 08:22 AM (NfIvb)

Check yesterday's gun thread (I think). Andy promised two weeks.

What's that in Ewok time?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 25, 2013 04:24 AM (3Mkrp)

207 Who takes on the role of the mother in gay marriage? Or the father role, if it's lesbians? What makes you think you can provide a child with a healthy family model? This isn't small potatoes, these are questions that greatly affect children for the rest of their lives.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 04:24 AM (JDIKC)

208 However....there is some confusion as to what calendar is being used.

Mayan calendar, likely.

Posted by: Retread at March 25, 2013 04:24 AM (zxitI)

209 Good morning, all! 7 inches of snow here and still snowing. Posted by: Miss Marple at March 25, 2013 08:18 AM (GoIUi) Are you in Ohio? We were supposed to get snow overnight (didn't come) and then this morning (hasn't come yet) and I have a drive to make today. I'm wondering where the snow is.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 25, 2013 04:25 AM (tOkJB)

210 FYI, the 'New Site' was in the works five years ago.

Posted by: zsasz at March 25, 2013 04:25 AM (MMC8r)

211
If you want to take it to the logical conclusion, a human body is a clump of cells, albeit billions upon billions, but a clump nonetheless.

If you really want to drill down to the bedrock, the human body has ten times more bacterial cells, than human cells. We're little more than petri dishes, and hosts for our bacterial overlords.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 25, 2013 04:25 AM (0IhFx)

212 DOOM thread be up.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 25, 2013 04:26 AM (tqLft)

213 "Sarcasm, right? Because school curriculums are next (wedding photos in sociology class and if anybody snickers it's a hate crime), along with the Boy Scouts' collapse." Gay marriage, consumated under armed force, could be made mandatory for every single American and they still wouldn't stop.

Posted by: Icedog at March 25, 2013 04:26 AM (9ScGj)

214 Since Malor decided to jump in my shit about all the great huffing and puffing symbolism things that the Repuke party has done for the right to lifers, let's have some real world examples that would really mean something: Has Boehner, in one of his continuing resolution cash fixes to the JEF junkie, zeroed out contributions to Planned Parenthood?

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 25, 2013 04:26 AM (vcndg)

215 Ace.nu.mu

Posted by: Truman North at March 25, 2013 04:26 AM (I2LwF)

216 "I bet a lot of pro-murder people just never had the epiphany that life and death issues shouldn't be decided on the basis of peer pressure"

*Ahem* We prefer a system of cash rewards for Liverpool Care Pathway participation numbers. Much more effective than peer pressure.

Posted by: NHS at March 25, 2013 04:27 AM (KqmXZ)

217 @ 199 as plain as the nose on your face your a graduate of the Gingrich School of Historical Accuracy.

Posted by: clemenza at March 25, 2013 04:27 AM (HMQ8k)

218 Ed, look to Central OH, multiple counties under level 1 snow emergencies

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 25, 2013 04:27 AM (Hl8lr)

219
FYI, the 'New Site' was in the works five years ago.

You don't rush perfection....if you want the Black Label Valu-Rite, you have to wait for it.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 25, 2013 04:28 AM (0IhFx)

220 I'm wondering where the snow is. Got two inches on the ground here in SE corner of PA. It is actually laying on some roads, though it's not *supposed* to. It was *supposed* to be so warm yesterday that it would melt immediately today. So it's gonna be an 'iffy' day today. Snow on roads, right between freezing and melting. That's not a great combination for traction.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 25, 2013 04:29 AM (feFL6)

221 Regarding Prop 8--we all know the Supreme Court often views itself as the only way society can be forced to change in a direction liberals feel is needed, so certainly the liberal votes are a lock. Of course, why someone not wishing to have an entire culture changed just because five people say so would himself adhere to the social compact is a decent question. But things like that never stop the Court. When you have imperial will and the ego to be a Solomon, why would it? It's good to be king, right? Why let the culture change at the people's pace, when you can just snap your fingers. God is much too patient to just let things move along as he does--we Justices know so much better, and are infallible.

Posted by: G. at March 25, 2013 04:30 AM (+dIQT)

222 Yesterday I spoke to a person whose son has now become a 'she". They love. their son dearly but can't wrap their mind around this and was near tears. I imagine it must be huge adjustment no matter how much you love your child. I don't know if it's hormones in foods or culture or what but more and more people want to be another sex,. I can't but think it would be better that unless a person was born with indeterminate sexual organs that they should just stay the sex they were. I mean say "To heck" with whatever culture says a man should be. Don't spend hundreds of thousands of dollars or counselling and surgery to mutilate yourself so that you can then live with another woman when you could have stayed as a man and found an understanding woman. Does anyone think that Chastity Bono is happy?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2013 04:30 AM (S7KLd)

223 You don't rush perfection....if you want the Black Label Valu-Rite, you have to wait for it. This screw top says Thursday. Is Thursday a good vintage?

Posted by: Truman North at March 25, 2013 04:31 AM (I2LwF)

224 Are you in Ohio? We were supposed to get snow overnight (didn't come) and then this morning (hasn't come yet) and I have a drive to make today. I'm wondering where the snow is.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 25, 2013 08:25 AM (tOkJB)

Northeast Ohio

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 25, 2013 04:31 AM (vcndg)

225

Who takes on the role of the mother in gay marriage? Or the father role, if it's lesbians? What makes you think you can provide a child with a healthy family model?

This isn't small potatoes, these are questions that greatly affect children for the rest of their lives.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I could be persuaded to raise kids with a woman...

Fact: legalizing gay marriage will not increase or decrease the number of kids being raised by fathers and mothers.

Fact: thousands of kids are being raised by gay couples.

Fact: legalizing gay marriage will make the thousands of kids being raised by gay couples better off.

Do it for the children, EoJ.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 04:31 AM (NfIvb)

226 I didn't actually speak to Cher about the former Chastity. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2013 04:31 AM (S7KLd)

227 I think they are going to get gay marriage. What should really happen is that all outside of church marriage should be considered a civil union, regardless. All inside should be labeled marriage. It won't stop here otherwise. Because they really want to change the meaning of the word marriage. They want it to mean nothing. Once it means nothing, anything will be a marriage. It will keep going a long, long time.

Posted by: Californio at March 25, 2013 04:34 AM (2eIwi)

228 #212 I'm in central Indiana. The storm is moving eastward in a circular pattern with an "eye" in the center. I imagine that's why you haven't seen snow yet. It's not moving very quickly and the real snow we had didn't start until late yesterday afternoon.

My grandkids' spring break started on Friday, and my grandson (who is supposed to get his driver's license tomorrow) is NOT pleased.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 25, 2013 04:35 AM (GoIUi)

229

let's have some real world examples that would really mean something: Has Boehner, in one of his continuing resolution cash fixes to the JEF junkie, zeroed out contributions to Planned Parenthood?

http://goo.gl/RYkL5

Speaking to the Christian Broadcasting Network's David Brody, Boehner vigorously supported a recent House vote that defunds the organization entirely, a move that would strip it of more than $75 million in government cash.

The defunding vote from the lower chamber came as part of a continuing resolution that included dramatic spending cuts across a range of programs. The Democrat-controlled Senate is set to consider the spending bill this week and is likely to reject a significant amount of the GOP's spending cuts, including those that affect Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 04:37 AM (NfIvb)

230 Fact: legalizing gay marriage will make the thousands of kids being raised by gay couples better off.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 08:31 AM (NfIvb)

That's not a fact; it may turn out to be correct but it's a hypothesis posing as a fact.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 25, 2013 04:38 AM (vcndg)

231
This screw top says Thursday. Is Thursday a good vintage?

Lovingly aged in a plastic bucket out behind the shop for nearly a day, then bottled by 4 pm, when it's flavor reaches it's peak. Just so you know it's the real thing, there should be a cigarette butt in the bottom of the bottle...kind of like the way those fancy tequila's add a worm.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 25, 2013 04:38 AM (0IhFx)

232 Sorry Gabe, I have to disagree. Many needy children have been cut off from any adoption because gay marriage proponents shut down Catholic Charities adoptions. Now those kids aren't getting any homes, at all. It may help the ones already in homosexual homes, but it hurts the ones who do not have any homes.

Posted by: Californio at March 25, 2013 04:41 AM (2eIwi)

233 That's a terrible story about the man wrongfully imprisoned for decades and then having a heart attack. after being released. Just terrible. I'm praying for him.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2013 04:43 AM (S7KLd)

234 Tell the wingnutz Gabe how I am their only hope!

Posted by: Gay Marriage at March 25, 2013 04:44 AM (VrVBw)

235

Sorry Gabe, I have to disagree. Many needy children have been cut off from any adoption because gay marriage proponents shut down Catholic Charities adoptions. Now those kids aren't getting any homes, at all.

There is zero evidence to support your claim. Everyone said that would happen after Massachusetts killed Catholic Charities adoption services. What actually happened is that a whole host of adoption agencies filled that niche. There is no placement crisis.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 04:44 AM (NfIvb)

236 Civil unions for everyone. Marriage ceremonies separate and in churches of choice, with the stipulation that a church MAY NOT be forced to comply. (Ditto for temples and mosques.)

I will not support any effort which allows the state to force a church to comply. That is a violation of the 1st amendment.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 25, 2013 04:45 AM (GoIUi)

237

That's not a fact; it may turn out to be correct but it's a hypothesis posing as a fact.

Well, even the Prop 8 proponents' expert witness testified that this was the case. Which is going to make it rather hard for the proponents to claim otherwise at the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 04:45 AM (NfIvb)

238 The churches will eventually be sued and sued hard over gay marriage.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2013 04:46 AM (S7KLd)

239 Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 08:37 AM (NfIvb)

How long did it take you to find that link from over 2 years ago? That would've been just after they took control of the House and had a clear mandate to change how business is done. Since then can you find another one? I'll concede Boehner did "something" if you'll concede that it was a one off done with no sense of a constant commitment to it.

Again, I'm not a right to lifer; I just don't like seeing people given lip service and then taken for granted.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 25, 2013 04:46 AM (vcndg)

240 Gabe, of course there are plenty of adoption agencies for "perfect" babies. There are not plenty of adoption agencies for kids who are older or disabled. That was Catholic Charities.

Posted by: Californio at March 25, 2013 04:47 AM (2eIwi)

241 207 Funny how libs have such a cognitive dissonance between abortion and it's disparate effect on blacks. Almost as big as their dissonance on single mothers and criminal children, or single mothers and welfare use--it's like they don't see the real problems at all! Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 25, 2013 08:24 AM (Hl8lr) This is a huge wedge issue that it drives me crazy that Rs ignore. Easy and effective way to do it: ask all of the black folks in the audience to stand, and pair up. Then tell them that without abortion, each pair would be a trio. Let that sink in. Since 1973, 1 in 3 blacks conceived has been killed in utero. ONE IN THREE!!!! That's a genocide just over half as effective as the one Hitler perpetrated, and without all of the messy camps and nasty ash from the ovens. Surely hammering this fact home should cause some split in the Dems coalition? But nobody mentions it at all....

Posted by: Weirddave at March 25, 2013 04:48 AM (aH+zP)

242 The only thing that might stop churches being sued is that Mosques will not want to comply and in an effort to be Islam friendly it won't be pushed as an overrall effort.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2013 04:48 AM (S7KLd)

243 How would physical custody of children in the divorce of a male gay marriage be decided? If legal marriage can change to include same-sex couples, what other new changes should be made? What changes should never be made? Will gays argue later for more changes or none, and why?

Posted by: eman at March 25, 2013 04:51 AM (64rcm)

244 Fact: legalizing gay marriage will make the thousands of kids being raised by gay couples better off.

Do it for the children, EoJ.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 08:31 AM (NfIvb)

IMO, gay marriage is a done deal. Maybe not with these cases, but it is. Society has changed too much to ever go back. The youth of today don't care about sexual orientation. When they get older, they will be the ones making the policies.

This is the Civil War in 1864-5. The result is inevitable, but Conservatives (Lee) are fighting a delaying action. It's not a matter of if we reach Appomattox Court House but when.

With that said, I firmly believe that the gay lobby has done a great disservice to their movement. If history has taught us anything, it's that change is inevitable whether we like it or not. By forcefully pushing for change, they have actually set their own movement back many years. The harder they've pushed; the harder the resistance has pushed back. Instead of having people accept them as normal human beings who live their lives no different than anyone else, they've chosen to get in people's face and demand that they be loved. It just doesn't work that way.

It's sad that this has happened. The vast majority of that community are like Gabe. They live their lives and don't rub their sexual orientation in people's faces. It's the few loudmouthes who have done the damage.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at March 25, 2013 04:52 AM (Gkhxf)

245 #242 - Hasn't stopped NHS in enforcing birth control mandate. I expect government will apply great pressure on any organization (churches, Boy Scouts, etc.) that doesn't not embrace gay marriage and accept gays - they'll just be very selective in whom they choose to pressure so as not to offend the ROP.

Posted by: NHS at March 25, 2013 04:53 AM (KqmXZ)

246 Except that no gay couple is going to ask to be married in a mosque, FS. Their bottom line argument is that they want a label and nothing more or less. Even Obama said in 2004 that it was not a civil rights issue since civil unions take care of that. It is just a matter of a label. And the label is pretty much the "property," at least in this country, of the Judaic and Christian religious institutions.

Posted by: Californio at March 25, 2013 04:53 AM (2eIwi)

247

There are not plenty of adoption agencies for kids who are older or disabled. That was Catholic Charities.

Cling to your fantasy dystopia where older and disabled kids aren't getting placements because Catholic Charities isn't doing adoptions in Massachusetts and Illinois. You're living in a fantasy world because you don't like that the supposed crisis didn't occur.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 04:54 AM (NfIvb)

248 245 The only thing that might stop churches being sued is that Mosques will not want to comply and in an effort to be Islam friendly it won't be pushed as an overrall effort. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2013 08:48 AM (S7KLd) Naw -- they'll give the moooslimbs a pass and ram it up the Catholics asses, just for the fun of it.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 25, 2013 04:54 AM (tOkJB)

249 Well, even the Prop 8 proponents' expert witness testified that this was the case. Which is going to make it rather hard for the proponents to claim otherwise at the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 08:45 AM (NfIvb)

It's still not a fact; the first two things you mentioned were though. I'm not sure why lawyers have a hard time differentiating that.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 25, 2013 04:54 AM (vcndg)

250

How long did it take you to find that link from over 2 years ago?

It's the top google link for "boehner planned parenthood."

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 04:54 AM (NfIvb)

251

It's still not a fact; the first two things you mentioned were though.

No, you don't believe it. That doesn't mean it's not a fact.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 04:55 AM (NfIvb)

252 The genie is out of the bottle. I can't imagine us ever going back to civil unions for everyone although I support it. The definition f marriage will just be further and further extended.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2013 04:56 AM (S7KLd)

253

How would physical custody of children in the divorce of a male gay marriage be decided?

Same way it's decided now; judge weighs what's in the best interest of the child.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 04:56 AM (NfIvb)

254 How can a prediction be a fact?

Posted by: Californio at March 25, 2013 04:56 AM (2eIwi)

255 The only thing that might stop churches being sued is that Mosques will not want to comply and in an effort to be Islam friendly it won't be pushed as an overrall effort.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2013 08:48 AM (S7KLd)

And what has greater influence these days? Maybe those who don't want gay marriage should say it's an offense to Islam and watch the left twist itself in knots over who to kow tow to

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 25, 2013 04:57 AM (1Jaio)

256 256 How would physical custody of children in the divorce of a male gay marriage be decided? Same way it's decided now; judge weighs what's in the best interest of the child. Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 08:56 AM (NfIvb) Hahaha!

Posted by: eman at March 25, 2013 04:57 AM (64rcm)

257 How can a prediction be a fact?

Posted by: Californio at March 25, 2013 08:56 AM (2eIwi)

Exactly.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 25, 2013 04:58 AM (vcndg)

258 Same way it's decided now; judge weighs what's in the best interest of the child.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 08:56 AM (NfIvb)

You really believe a judge does that? Bollocks. Judges are politically motivated twats

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 25, 2013 04:58 AM (1Jaio)

259 No, you don't believe it. That doesn't mean it's not a fact.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 08:55 AM (NfIvb)

Whether I believe it or not has nothing to do with it. You're being very obtuse over this.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 25, 2013 04:59 AM (vcndg)

260 :::

o it for the children, EoJ. :::: I believe I am. I've not been sarcastic with you. My experience has been that gays and lesbians are as a rule, extremely unhappy. Like most people searching for something to acquire, they think marriage will solve their unhappiness. Or children. Straight people do it all the time. The problem is that you can't return children if you find out they didn't so the trick. You can only share the misery.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 05:00 AM (rL2Ar)

261 I don't think churches should be forced to marry anyone. even straight people It's amazing how many people want to get married when there are red flags all over the place in pre marital testing and you can say "Your tests indicate that you have a 20% chance of staying married" and there is no surprise when their marriages break up.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2013 05:02 AM (S7KLd)

262

You really believe a judge does that? Bollocks. Judges are politically motivated twats.

Oh, excuse me. I should have said: "the judge will putatively decide what custody situtation is in the best interests of the child."

Honestly, I'm confused by the question. Eman, what, in your mind, is so much more difficult about deciding a custody situation when we're talking about same-sex parents as opposed to opposite-sex parents?

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 05:02 AM (NfIvb)

263

My experience has been that gays and lesbians are as a rule, extremely unhappy.

Hokay. Vague generalizations probably aren't a solid foundation for public policy.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 05:03 AM (NfIvb)

264 It's horrible what the various state governments have done to Catholic Charities adoption programs, and they should've simply allowed these agencies to continue placing kids with their own judgment, but it's silly to pretend that CC wasthe only agency for older or difficult to place kids, and it's equally silly to act as though it has to be that gay marriage/adoption has to chase religious adoption agencies out. Foster care is already a big patchwork of agencies with different criteria.

Posted by: Jenny hates her phone at March 25, 2013 05:04 AM (NZnz7)

265 Gabe, in all seriousness, why is the label so important? If it is civil rights, then why aren't civil unions enough?

Posted by: Californio at March 25, 2013 05:06 AM (2eIwi)

266 265 You really believe a judge does that? Bollocks. Judges are politically motivated twats. Oh, excuse me. I should have said: "the judge will putatively decide what custody situtation is in the best interests of the child." Honestly, I'm confused by the question. Eman, what, in your mind, is so much more difficultabout deciding a custody situation when we're talking about same-sex parents as opposed to opposite-sex parents? Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 09:02 AM (NfIvb) In strait couple marriages the children go to the female almost every time. No hearing, no nothing. It is automatic. In the case of two men what will the Court do, have a hearing? If so, why don't straight men get a hearing? You can consider lesbian couples presenting a similar set of questions.

Posted by: eman at March 25, 2013 05:07 AM (64rcm)

267 ::;;266 My experience has been that gays and lesbians are as a rule, extremely unhappy. Hokay. Vague generalizations probably aren't a solid foundation for public policy.;;;; Nothing vague about it.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 05:07 AM (rL2Ar)

268

The problem is that you can't return children if you find out they didn't so the trick. You can only share the misery.

Thousands of gay couples already raise children. Legalizing gay marriage isn't going to change that.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 05:09 AM (NfIvb)

269 I never said Catholic Charities was the only one adopting out older or hard to place kids. I said that those kids it does handle are impacted. It has had an effect on them. Not a fun fact.

Posted by: Californio at March 25, 2013 05:11 AM (2eIwi)

270

In strait couple marriages the children go to the female almost every time. No hearing, no nothing. It is automatic.

It isn't automatic. Not anymore. There used to be (20ish years ago) a per se rule in many jurisdictions that the mother gets custody. That was knocked down as unfair to fathers. Now, for contested custody, they hold hearings. Mothers still win more than fathers, but they do the whole balancing hearing and it's subject to appeal.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 05:12 AM (NfIvb)

271 265 Bullshit! The kids go ti who ever spends the most time caring for them. That's usually the mom, but not always. Jeeze, even back in my brothers and I ended up living with my dad. Gay couples will probably have one that ends up doing more of the childcare, and that guy will have the advantage with custody if they split.

Posted by: Jenny hates her phone at March 25, 2013 05:12 AM (NZnz7)

272

In the case of two men what will the Court do, have a hearing? If so, why don't straight men get a hearing?

As I said. They do. There isn't a jurisdiction left where they don't. Different story a few decades ago, but that's not how things work anymore.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 05:13 AM (NfIvb)

273 Back in 1993. The hamsters like to eat numbers now, too, huh?

Posted by: Jenny hates her phone at March 25, 2013 05:14 AM (NZnz7)

274 How long did it take you to find that link from over 2 years ago?

It's the top google link for "boehner planned parenthood."

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 08:54 AM (NfIvb)

Okay I googled it myself and the most recent entry was a Daily Caller story about how Right to Lifers (of which, again, I'm not one) will protest in Boehner's district for him to do more. So I'm assuming that he hasn't followed up with similar CRs and shows the same lack of committment to defunding Planned Parenthood as he did JEFCare, doing the bare minimum to fulfill a campaign promise.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 25, 2013 05:14 AM (vcndg)

275 I guess it behooves you to ignore everything save how the legal system will rule in your favor. Why argue the underlying merits when an unelected judge will force everyone else to validate your preferences, right? Seems like all the discussion and will of the people shit is so 2008. It's just a matter of finding the right judge to sign off on it, because you seem pretty sure it's a done deal. Congratulations, I guess, if you get what you want. I suppose hate speech laws and demanding curriculum trumpet the "normalcy" of homosexuality is next. Yay.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 05:17 AM (rL2Ar)

276 If you're concerned about the impact of gay marriage will have on children then you need to look further than just children raised by a gay couple. As with the Catholic Charities adoption agencies, this legislation will be used to put religious-based organizations that assist children out of business. What about a religious school that wants to choose its teachers, or a church that wants to choose its clergy? What about the Boy Scouts? Are you saying that forcing these institutions to go against their conscience or fold is good for the children they serve? Are you saying their closure will have no impact, that other organizations will magically appear to take their place?

Posted by: NHS at March 25, 2013 05:18 AM (KqmXZ)

277 238- So the people with all the experience in adoption were forced out and newbies filled the gap? No problems there I'm sure.

And the fact that the State crushed a charitable organization's religious freedom means nothing, right?

And that doesn't have any parallels to the Gay Marriage push and the Church's performance of marriage of course.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at March 25, 2013 05:18 AM (WVMUQ)

278 273 In strait couple marriages the children go to the female almost every time. No hearing, no nothing. It is automatic. It isn't automatic. Not anymore.There used to be (20ish years ago) a per se rule in many jurisdictions that the mother gets custody. That was knocked down as unfair to fathers. Now, for contested custody, they hold hearings. Mothers still win more than fathers, but they do the whole balancing hearing and it's subject to appeal. Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 09:12 AM (NfIvb) Are the hearings done automatically?

Posted by: eman at March 25, 2013 05:18 AM (64rcm)

279 I don't actually know any gay parents who are more miserable than straight parents sometimes are. ;^) Anyone-gay or straight wants to pull put their hair sometimes when their kids are teens and you either get the eye rolling, the "snorting and huffing" and the scowling with everything you say. Lord help us all. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2013 05:19 AM (S7KLd)

280 In order to support the position of gay marriage you also have to support the arbitrary redefining of anything at any particular time. This is easy for Gabe since he is both gay and an attorney. 1+1= 3 will never be correct no matter what is eventually decided.

Posted by: polynikes at March 25, 2013 05:20 AM (pEOD8)

281

I guess it behooves you to ignore everything save how the legal system will rule in your favor. Why argue the underlying merits when an unelected judge will force everyone else to validate your preferences, right?

Where is this coming from? I am talking about the merits. In fact, I've done almost nothing except talk about the merits. I didn't support the Prop 8 case and said they should just done another Prop to undo it (especially since it would have passed last year).

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 05:22 AM (NfIvb)

282 283- Yes

Posted by: typo dynamofo at March 25, 2013 05:22 AM (WVMUQ)

283 NHS, I have written often on twitter and probably a few times here in support of religious protections. It is possible to be in favor of both, y'know?

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 05:23 AM (NfIvb)

284 Not the legal merits, Gabe.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 05:24 AM (rL2Ar)

285 Nothing vague about it.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 09:07 AM (rL2Ar)

Homos have a higher than average suicide rate; there's nothing vague about that. That's why I prefer not to call them "gay"; like calling a fat man "slim". Does that mean that all homos are suicidal? No, I'm sure most of them are not. But when you refer to them as unhappy there's a more than anecdotal basis for that.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 25, 2013 05:24 AM (vcndg)

286

In order to support the position of gay marriage you also have to support the arbitrary redefining of anything at any particular time.

Takes it too far. Nothing "arbitrary" about the change being sought.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 05:24 AM (NfIvb)

287 Gabe, Why is the label so important?

Posted by: Californio at March 25, 2013 05:25 AM (2eIwi)

288

Not the legal merits, Gabe.

That was obscure. I have talked about the merits of gay marriage. I have talked about the legal merits of the marriage equality cases (see above, for example). Which of these would you like me to spend more time on so I can avoid the accusation that I only care about the outcome? Both?

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 05:25 AM (NfIvb)

289 272, you definitely implied it by saying that there weren't plenty of agencies for those kids, that it was the Catholic Church. But, yeah, those kids and families were hurt when the state needlessly changed the rules. The state could've recognized gay marriage while allowing CC to keep it's criteria for foster adopt parents, and let gay parents use other agencies. As it is, lots of straight parents don't fit Agency X's criteria so they use Agency Y.

Posted by: Jenny hates her phone at March 25, 2013 05:26 AM (NZnz7)

290 Doesn't matter, anyway. We have to live with the tyranny of your minority. You seem to own enough judges, so that's that.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 05:27 AM (rL2Ar)

291

Gabe, Why is the label so important?

The term "marriage" comes with a host of legal and social benefits as compared to the term "civil union" or, like what California uses, "domestic partnership."

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 05:27 AM (NfIvb)

292 286 You can pretend to be for Gay Marriage and religious protection but you have to be willfully ignorant not to understand that discrimination law and suit happy activists will only point one way after passage.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at March 25, 2013 05:27 AM (WVMUQ)

293 I don't doubt one can be in favor of both (I am), but after seeing how the HHS mandate has been used against religious organizations, the ongoing harassment of the Boy Scouts, and the way that SSM activists have harassed religious organizations (see treatment of Mormons during Prop 8 campaign), I have little faith that a "live and let live" approach would ever happen.

Posted by: NHS at March 25, 2013 05:28 AM (KqmXZ)

294 If you get a hearing only because you contested custody, you are still being discriminated against.

Posted by: eman at March 25, 2013 05:28 AM (64rcm)

295 Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 09:24 AM (NfIvb) not for the activists that lied about wanting only civil unions but for those that hold the position that they don't care one way or the other it's definitely arbitrary . And those people are the only reason gay marriage has any sort of chance to be legalized.

Posted by: polynikes at March 25, 2013 05:30 AM (RNijH)

296 Geez, Gabe. You never write about gay marriage. I was hoping to get a these questions out before you moved on to something else.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 05:31 AM (rL2Ar)

297 Jenny, state agencies are miserable.

Posted by: Californio at March 25, 2013 05:31 AM (2eIwi)

298 The usual rule with hearings, as I understand it, is that they try to get both parents to agree to something in arbitration, but if they don't want to or can't, they get a hearing. No reason why gay couples can't have that.

Posted by: Jenny hates her phone at March 25, 2013 05:32 AM (NZnz7)

299 Trying to shove gay peg in a heterosexual hole.

Posted by: polynikes at March 25, 2013 05:33 AM (RNijH)

300 300 What? All the agencies (here anyway) are private agencies who contract with the stats. CPS makes removal decisions,but private agencies certify and recruit parents and handle the day to day dealings with the families.

Posted by: Jenny hates her phone at March 25, 2013 05:34 AM (NZnz7)

301 I'll say this in closing, Gabe. Disagreeing with you does not mean I don't wish you well. If you can't reconcile that, welcome to your first parenting lesson.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 05:34 AM (rL2Ar)

302 I seriously want to know. What legal benefit is different under the term marriage than under the term civil union? The social benefits won't materialize. People will continue to believe their own definition of marriage. You cannot change belief.

Posted by: Californio at March 25, 2013 05:35 AM (2eIwi)

303

Trying to shove gay peg in a heterosexual hole.

Tee hee! You're so funny. And talented. This is such insightful commentary!

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 05:35 AM (NfIvb)

304 Will married gays later argue that marriage is too important to society to be tampered with?

Posted by: eman at March 25, 2013 05:35 AM (64rcm)

305

What legal benefit is different under the term marriage than under the term civil union? The social benefits won't materialize.

As to the question: federal law, absent DOMA, makes rather a big difference between marriages (which it recognizes) and civil unions (which it doesn't).

As to the statement, we're back to predicting outcomes. I rather think opposed folks will be as wrong about that as they were about the "massive disruptions" they predicted for DADT repeal.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 05:37 AM (NfIvb)

306 Thanks for the compliment Gabe.

Posted by: polynikes at March 25, 2013 05:38 AM (RNijH)

307 "...custody situation..."

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 25, 2013 09:02 AM (NfIvb)

Now you are being obtuse.

Custody is almost never decided....judges default to giving custody to the mother in the absence of compelling issues that would make her unfit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 25, 2013 05:39 AM (3Mkrp)

308 "The problem is that you can't return children..."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 25, 2013 09:00 AM (rL2Ar)

You're telling me?

We've been trying for years...nobody will take the little bastards.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 25, 2013 05:42 AM (3Mkrp)

309 Women's expanded role in the military haven't caused any disruptions either.

Posted by: polynikes at March 25, 2013 05:43 AM (K7W+A)

310 Gabe, Well, I am not in the mood to play lawyer. I was genuinely interested in a straight answer. Oh, well.

Posted by: Californio at March 25, 2013 05:44 AM (2eIwi)

311 posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 25, 2013 09:42 LOL. You must suffer like others before you.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2013 05:45 AM (S7KLd)

312 The concept of gay marriage is just absurd. Nobody can really argue for it seriously. Even the vaunted and feared young people are disgusted by the act. Why do we need to legalize perversion? By Gabe's reckoning, Jerry Sandusky is a persecuted pioneer.

Posted by: Joe Rockhead at March 25, 2013 06:24 AM (66zNN)

313 And stop calling me Gay-be.

Posted by: gaybe at March 25, 2013 06:41 AM (gFNWK)

314

Gabe,

I disagree with you on the gay marriage issue. For a number of reasons too long to list in a comment, I believe that the word "marriage" should retain the millinea-old definition as a union between a man and a woman.

Once we start messing with legal terms, they lose their meaning. The slippery slope really does apply here. If love is the sole criteria for being able to marry, then why can't I marry my dog, my mother, my first cousin, or my hypothetical sister?

On the other hand, I do support civil unions that are recognized by the federal government and the states. An LGBT should have all the legal rights enjoyed by heterosexual married couples, such as the right to transfer property, obtain insurance, and so on.

I'm a conservative Christian, and maintain that acting upon homosexual urges is a sin. However, we don't live in a theocracy. I strongly believe that love is the answer. I don't want to stand before God and tell him that I loved the alcoholic and the adulterer but didn't love the LGBT. I'm not going to be the one to cast the first stone, or any stone.

Thanks for sticking with us here, even though most disagree with you. I follow your blog and follow you on Twitter.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbitt at March 25, 2013 07:01 AM (hzV1U)

315 What legal benefit is different under the term marriage than under the term civil union? States that don't want it will have to accept it under the Full Faith and Credit clause. And the rationale for Islamic polygamy, but mostly the forced acceptance thing in unenlightened recalcitrant states.

Posted by: toby928© sips the sweet tea of despair at March 25, 2013 07:09 AM (evdj2)

316 Notice part of Gabe's argument is because we have X, we should have Y. So, because homosexuals can adopt they should be able to "marry." Well, I say that homosexuals shouldn't be able to adopt and a parent that comes out as homosexual in a heterosexual union should in most circumstances lose parental rights. Homosexuality has too many negatives (higher rates of suicide, drug use, domestic violence, etc.) to allow for such people to raise kids. We wouldn't stick a kid with an alcoholic. Why would we do the same with a person who subscribes to a similarly failed lifestyle?

It is interesting that a group that 20 years ago talked about the evil that was marriage suddenly needs to marry.

Posted by: Chris at March 25, 2013 07:18 AM (aBOfW)

317 And what is so magical about the number "2"? (Besides being my primary afavorite rea for intercourse?)? How dare they legislate my love for up to 7 guts at a time?

Posted by: Bruce Villanche at March 25, 2013 07:44 AM (o5EA8)

318 In SF where I live you can guess how the local news reports the gay marriage issue. Those against it are referred to as "opponents of marriage equality". And all this hand-wringing about how the SCOTUS will rule is a waste of time. Let's not pretend constitutionality will even be considered. Why bother with the oral arguments? All the justices have made up their mind already and it's going to be a party-line vote as usual.

Posted by: Pervy Grin at March 25, 2013 07:49 AM (OxKj2)

319 When the Catholic Church is shut down by gay rights activists because they will not go along with the gay rights agenda, the handwriting is on the wall. Hard-core proponents of same-sex marriage are ideological fascists. Hard words. Why would I say that? Because if you disagree, you will not be tolerated, you will be SHUT DOWN. This is simply a fact. They shut down the Catholic Church. Do you think they will stop there? Really? As they accrue more power at the federal level, and in particular when same sex marriage is declared a "civil right," they will be shutting down a lot more. Disagreement will not be an option (it's not for the Catholic Church, and it wouldn't be for you). But it's cool. Like carbon taxes, it's for your own good. Once you realize that, you can relax and be happy under your new gay overlords.

Posted by: shoeless hunter at March 25, 2013 08:18 AM (dY+4R)

320 146 Ok what do you want Bush to have done? Pack the court? - That would have been nice. Advocating, which he did not do, would have been nice. Showing up to address pro-lifers for once instead of literally phoning it in would have shown awareness that for other people this is a serious issue. Phoning it in shows you don't care.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at March 25, 2013 08:31 AM (Kgi5G)

321 174 What wins elections is driving the other guy's turnout through the floor, and then getting your base to turn out. Ugly but true - What wins elections in the long run is governing so as to grow your base and shrink the other side's base. Also true and even uglier. The Republican Party base includes white people and stable married families. The Democratic Party is methodically demolishing that base. Non-whites and divorced or unmarried women vote Democrat more often, so hurrah for white genocide and socially engineered divorce. What's really ugly? So-called conservatives are not really interested in fighting for white people and are rarely interested in really fighting for family values. (Rick Santorum and who else? Say Newt Gingrich; make me laugh.) That's why completely unjust laws like affirmative action prevail. One side is pushing to get rid of the whites (and bring in a society where leftist politics are key to everything, including being allowed to have a job), and the other side doesn't oppose this, because its leaders are just in it for the money.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at March 25, 2013 08:49 AM (Kgi5G)

322 Heh. Yeah, "the look" that says, "White wine and Magnum PI reruns at your place tonight?! Yummy!" Looks like Sellick has lots of fans here.

Modern life has put incredible pressure on the institution of marriage and degraded it considerably, with disastrous results. There is no way equating same-sex unions with "marriage" will improve this. I count some sweet, loving gay people among my friends. They can provide a certain level of comfort and security to a child, but the lesbians can rarely embody or transmit the important virtues of manliness and the gays can only rarely replicate the love or relationship of a female mother.

You can't deny biology or pretend it doesn't exist.Young men and women need real fathers and mothers. That we aren't providing those isn't an excuse to further undermine the supply. Start telling an already confused people that same sex is the same as man-woman and you're just worsening the problem.

Gays deserve the "equality" of civil unions and whatever other legal protections are necessary for their property, etc. "Marriage" should be reserved for the union which has been the foundation for every successful civilization in history. Weakening or diluting that union has always spelled the onset of decline.

Posted by: Salt Lick at March 25, 2013 09:07 AM (lEFeW)

323

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Posted by: GOV CUOMO at March 25, 2013 09:20 AM (YmPwQ)

324 Ooooh i love gay penguins!

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