1 DAY 147 1,313 to go (1,388 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

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Good morning, 'rons and 'ronettes.  I haven't felt like I've been giving you good value for money lately, so grab a big olÂ’ cup of coffee or tea, settle down and, in the immortal words of Tom “T Bone” Stankus, pilgrim, tighten your shorts and sing like the Duke:

 

 
Many people don't know that Mel Brooks' first choice for the role of washed-up gunfighter The Waco Kid in Blazing Saddles was John Wayne.  Reportedly, Wayne loved the script but turned the role down, saying that if he portrayed a character so outlandish, he'd lose his fans.  And the Duke knew about losing fans - he almost lost them all because of one movie. 

 

 
It all started in 1955, when, dropping by the office of producer Dick Powell on the RKO lot, Wayne began reading a script called The Conqueror.  The story had originally begun life the year before under the working title of "The Genghis Khan Story."  Under Howard Hughes' erratic leadership, RKO - the studio responsible for King Kong, Citizen Kane and the Fred Astaire / Ginger Rogers pairing - was losing money right and left through Hughes vanity projects like Underwater!, Jet Pilot and Vendetta.*  Hughes finally decided to cut his losses and go out with a bang.  A script came from the pen of writer Oscar Millard ('stylized, archaic English," he called the dialogue), Powell was set to produce and direct and Marlon Brando was in negotiation to play the bloodthirsty Mongolian chieftain.

 

 
Then Wayne read the script.  In 1954, he was the number one box office attraction in America.  He owed RKO one more picture, and after reading The Conqueror, he was sure this was the one.  "The Conqueror is a Western in some ways," he told the press.  "The way the screenplay reads, it is a cowboy picture and that is how I am going to play Genghis Khan.  I see him as a gunfighter."  All well and good, but gunfighters didn't generally sport Fu Manchu mustaches, inches of yellow makeup and black lacquer eyebrows, all of which found their place on Wayne's face when shooting began.  The lovely Susan Hayward was cast as Bortai, a Tartar princess whose very being inflames Khan with lust, and found the entire experience a hoot.  "Me, a red-haired Tartar princess!  It looked like some wild Irishman had stopped off on the road to Cathay."

 

 
Filming began in Utah, near the town of St. George, the scenic canyon lands surrounding the village being a Hollywood replacement for the Gobi Desert.  Almost immediately, cast and crew began dropping like flies in the 120-degree sunshine.  When writer Millard flew out to Utah for some script changes, he found the set in utter disarray, having nearly been wiped out by a flash flood.  As for the Duke, Millard sneered, "His performance drunk or sober was the way other actors tend to perform if drunk."  Millard's petty comment was made shortly after Wayne's death, but by that time, everyone knew that it wasn't just Wayne's complete unsuitability for the role of Genghis Khan that had doomed The Conqueror - it was Millard's ridiculous script.

 

 
Imagine Duke Wayne, with his Western drawl, trying to keep a straight face while telling Hayward, "Yer beautiful in yer wrath!  I shall keep you, and, in responding to my passions, yer hatred will kindle into love!"  Or when, after Khan's right hand man Jamuga says of Hayward, "There is no limit to her perfidy!", Wayne is obliged to reply, "She is a wuh-man - much wuh-man!  Should her perfidy be less than that of other wimmen?"

 

 
Had Brando taken the role of Khan, say film critics Harry and Michael Medved, "The Method Man. . .(might have lent) a touch of high-camp intensity to Oscar Milland's mock-Shakespearean lines."  But Wayne's effort was doomed from the start.  The Conqueror was budgeted at $6 million.**  An additional $1.4 million came from the pockets of Howard Hughes himself, funding a PR campaign to lure audiences in.  But even with Wayne's name attached, The Conqueror barely managed to eke out $4.5 million in business.

 

 
Having run RKO into the ground, Hughes sold it.  One year later, he spent $12 million dollars to buy back the master prints of two of the 700 films in the studio's library: Jet Pilot and The Conqueror, withdrawing them from circulation.  According to aides, for the next twenty years, if the eccentric mogul wasn't screening Ice Station Zebra, he would watch The Conqueror.  By himself.  For hundreds, if not thousands, of times. 

 

 
"Maybe he just really enjoyed it," you shrug.  And perhaps you're right.  But there's tragedy attached to this movie; a tragedy which makes you wonder whether Hughes actually bought back The Conqueror out of a sense of guilt.

 

 
You see, in 1953, the government had exploded eleven nuclear devices at the testing grounds of Yucca Flat, Nevada, a mere 130-odd miles away from little St. George.  Known as "Operation Upshot-Knothole," the cumulative effect of the blasts spread radioactive fallout through the region, but the federal government assured both the film crew and the residents of St. George that the tests were not a hazard to public health.  So the movie's cast and crew spent their shoot unknowingly "frolicking through atomically charged dust storms" and eating contaminated food and water.  To make matters worse, when shooting moved to Hollywood, Hughes had sixty tons of the poisonous dirt shipped to a sound stage for retakes.

 

 
Since the filming of The Conqueror, nearly half the population of St. George has developed one form or another of cancer.  Of the 220 people who worked in Utah on the production, 91 were known to have contracted cancer and at least 46 to have died from it.  John Wayne, Susan Hayward and Dick Powell, too, all fought long, losing battles against cancer.  By 1974, when Agnes Moorhead (who played Wayne's mother Hunlun in the movie) was diagnosed with uterine cancer, rumors had already begun to spread through Hollywood about the "death movie."  "Everybody in that picture has gotten cancer and died," she told her friend Jeanne Gerson.***  Reportedly, as Moorhead was dying, she moaned, "I should have never taken that part."

 

 
And until his own death in 1976, Hughes locked himself away in a room illuminated only by one flickering light, watching The Conqueror over and over and over. . .

 

 
Now, thereÂ’s a story.  Hope you enjoyed that, and I hope you all have a wonderful day.

 

 
*RKOs only real hit during the Hughes years was The Outlaw, but it was a sideways success.  Hughes had been grooming actor Jack Beutel for stardom, but it was buxom Jane Russell who captured the world's attention and reduced Beutel to the status of a trivia answer.

 

 
**making it, in cost conversion, a little short of the $40 million spent on Michael Cimino's legendary disaster Heaven's Gate.

 

 
***who herself played Hayward's nurse in the movie and would die from breast cancer.

 

3 Is this thing on?

4 How many times must we slay this dragon of a myth?  I am in the most angelical State in the union. Iy went fpr Romney big.  In fact, every "religous" State went for Romney.  OH, VA, and FL are what killed Romney.


Hardly "angelical".

5 Well, then there's the question: How do you "message" conservatism and a) get out the base and b) attract undecideds?

6 Morning!

7 Huckabee. Helped give us MaCaskill in the the Senate. Needs to go away. Soon.

8 Great story, MPPPP!

9 MP3: Wow. What a story. Rolling it over in my head how to make that into a movie...

10 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 02, 2013 07:00 AM (zF6Iw)

Didn't Hughes later sue the US government in order to try to stop nuc. testing in Nevada? Seems I read that years ago.

11 7 Huckabee. Helped give us MaCaskill in the the Senate. Needs to go away. Soon. Posted by: Popcorn at April 02, 2013 07:03 AM (uIpSF) God wanted Akin to throw away a seat.

12 I think I've only seen The Conqueror once in my life.  I remember how bad it was.

But I had completely forgotten about it until today.

13 Another myth of the election: Myth Romney lost. A closer look at the polls actually proves that he won! Conclusion: pick the same kind of guy next time.

14

Wow. What a story. Rolling it over in my head how to make that into a movie...

 

Glad you liked it, J.J.  I'll be generous and just settle for a "story by" credit. :-)

15 So Todd Akin says something incredibly stupid, apologizes profusely and unreservedly and is ostracized. Yet some fiend at Planned Parenthood refuses to say what she would do if a baby survives an abortion procedure, and the result is a big yawn.

16 Gee the way I have been reading it, evangelicals, and sicial cons, have been *blamed* for Romney's lost by the beltway types. Thst was supposed to be Justification for moving further left - that socons had betrayed the party and couldn't be trusted so we need to appeal to new voters to the left.

17 Anyone know when Jason Sthatham Action Movie is due out?

18 J.J. - A good scene would be nighttime on the dessert where the stars are lounging around and one of them comments how the desert at night almost seems to glow..

19 I heard a similar thing regarding sequestration and airport lines.  The second half of the story I heard is that dear President O tried to fix it so there would be no delays in getting on/off planes, but Congress voted it down.

I'm not sure where the lies come from, but  that right there tells me there are people who WANT to be lied to, and will bend over backwards to make sure the truth never gets between their ears. 

20 Yet some fiend at Planned Parenthood refuses to say what she would do if a baby survives an abortion procedure, and the result is a big yawn. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 02, 2013 07:13 AM (tqLft) Obama voted twice to protect the right of infanticide, and a big yawn. Or maybe a coverup by the MSM.

21 A major problem with the messaging is that aside from FOX-the liberal media/Pravda American style controls the message. How does the party or any party that opposes the plan of Obama get past that?

22 We lost the woman vote.  pure and simple.

23 Everyone's my partner now. Sheesh!

24 A good question would be why anyone would believe Huckabee's analysis of the situation,  since he has demonstrated both a desire to be a king-maker and a long-time antipathy, if not outright jealousy,  towards Romney.

25 A single person with a $40,000 income would pay $317 a month." Taxpayers, you know who's paying the difference. Yeah. And not all single people are 27 either.

26 Reed added: “If the Republican Party wants to be competitive in national elections, it will have to nominate candidates who can appeal to young voters, women, Hispanics and other minorities. Otherwise, they will likely see more elections similar to the 2012 outcome. The good news for the GOP is many of those voters are conservative and are people of faith.”*** No. I'm tired of having this bullshit shoveled at me. If they were conservative they wouldn't have voted for the communist. And no, Mexicans are not conservative, given that they flout our laws to get here. You can shove that myth while you're at it. I guess the good news for the GOP is that electoral victory is at hand, if you just anandon every principle.

27 22 We lost the woman vote. pure and simple. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 02, 2013 07:16 AM (UTq/I) Repeal suffrage. Win!

28 312 a month? thats more than my freaking car payment almost. 312x12=3744 a year. Bwahhahaha. I hope the people that voted for this shit choke on it.

29 We list the single women, not the married ones.

30 When my sisters returned from a trip to Italy,  a week and a half ago, there were only two lines for customs at O'Hare airport.  They were told it was due to "budget reasons."

They missed their flight because of the back-up,  and the airlines wouldn't put them on another plane because United said it wasn't their fault.  So they had to rent a car and drive back to Indy.

31 Good morning, morons. MPPP, that's a fascinating story, thanks. Here in the hell mouth Rahm is stomping his tiny feet in rage over the fact that the first quarter murder rate has not been this low since 1959 or something, and yet, all anyone can talk about is Twitter gangs of "youths" molesting folks on the mag mile. So, he wasted all that payola on the gang leaders for nothing.

32 So, according to that chart and poll, Americans classify obama as "liberal"....dead center between "moderate" and "very liberal". WTF would he need to do to be graded on the far left end of that spectrum?

33 Conclusion: pick the same kind of guy next time.

Posted by: GOP Genius at April 02, 2013 07:11 AM (+kznc)

You're one of those snarky extremists aren't you?

34 I'm not sure where the lies come from, but that right there tells me there are people who WANT to be lied to, Just. The. Tip.

35 How can you win an election when some wards in Philly vote 12,000 to 0 Democrat.

36 13 Another myth of the election:

Myth Romney lost. A closer look at the polls actually proves that he won!

Conclusion: pick the same kind of guy next time.

Posted by: GOP Genius at April 02, 2013 07:11 AM (+kznc)

I don't think that's the answer. Nor, as near as I can tell, does anyone else.

37 29 We list the single women, not the married ones. Posted by: Y-not no longer drunk at April 02, 2013 07:17 AM (EcpFD) Lemme hold yo list...

38 Never mind May 21 this year....

"How do you sleep at night?"

I don't drink coffee after 1900

39 Whatever stories ppl are spinning re the last election I do think lots of us on the right are fed up with the party. Ppl seem to be at their breakung point. The GOP should take note and not take our votes for granted.

40 Crowds of thousands didnt turn out for Paul Ryan and Sarah Palin because they were moderates who compromised on all their beliefs in order to appeal to natural Democrat constituencies. People that want abortions to be paid for by taxpayers vote Democrat People that disrespect our immigration laws and want to give people here illegally the right to vote, they vote Democrat too. People that view 16 trillion dollars in national debt as no problem at all vote Democrat. If you want to appeal to those people you dumb fucks turn into Democrats, then you can get all their votes. Otherwise shut the fuck up and appeal to us.

41 We list the single women, not the married ones.

Maybe conservatives and conservative media should stop going on and on over and over about how single women are worthless pieces of shit ruining the country. 

Every. Fucking. Day.

42 Meanwhile the Empire state of Cuomo and Bloomberg has had more politicians arrested on corruption charges.

http://tinyurl.com/blgnzak

43 I may not be drunk but this iphone autocorrect is doing a damn fine impression of it.

44

Democrats are smart enough to message using straw men and to focus on what they are for.

 

"We democrats are for civil rights."  -  this means republicans must be for slavery.

 

"We democrats are for education"  -  republicans, on the other hand, must want the poor to stay stupid.

 

Although it's a simple method of painting your opposition in a bad light, our consultants haven't learned how to do this. 

 

45 44 Jwest,

worse we have unlearned it....

"I want to be fair..."

Mitt Romney

"then go into reffing chess matches..."

//Sven

46 Good question, icedog. The guy's a friggin commie.

47 42 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2013 07:25 AM (ztdrb) Hey Anna. Saw a great documentary on Netflix "Battle of Britain." Ewen McGregor and his brother Colin McGregor narrate. Colin was an RAF pilot who flew Tornado Mk !'s in Desert Storm and he goes to the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight to learn how to fly the Spitfire. Check it out.

48

We know what didn't work in '08 - John McCain - and what did work in '08 - Sarah Palin.

Then we completely ignored the lessons of '08 and nominated another McCain in '12, with some idiots buying the line that it was Gov. Palin that cost us the '08 election.

By '16 the liberals will be telling us that it was Ryan that cost us '12, and we should nominate another moderate to appeal to the center.  The worst part is a lot of Republicans will buy it.

49 44 Democrats are smart enough to message using straw men and to focus on what they are for. "We democrats are for civil rights." - this means republicans must be for slavery. "We democrats are for education" - republicans, on the other hand, must want the poor to stay stupid. Although it's a simple method of painting your opposition in a bad light, our consultants haven't learned how to do this. Posted by: jwest at April 02, 2013 07:26 AM (u2a4R) I would go a step farther than that and say their constituents have internalized those messages and repeat them. Then I would even go a step farther and say their own constituents lie, and view lying as a legitimate political tactic. You can use the anti-war movement as an example. 8 years lying about how much they hated war, how evil warmongering Bush did blah blah blah. Then the minute Obama is in office war is cool and they all stop marching. It was all a fucking lie. You can't convince those people of shit, this is all a game to them. Logical points, being fair, compromising, those are all fucking things they have no care for.

50 I don't think it's a coincidence that he last two Democrat President's were both abandoned by their fathers at a young age. The same "mommy-pleasing" behaviors they developed while being shuttled from Auntie to grandma are effective in gaining approval from women voters.

51 48 EGD,

I know that when someone offers me gold on a plate or some nice pyrite I always choose the pyrite...

52 MPPPP, well I knew from an early age that 'The Conqueror' had been a real dog of a movie and one of the few black spots in John Wayne's career.  But never knew that about it.  Wow.

Wasn't there a low budget nuclear horror movie called Beast of Yucca Flats?  Yes there was.  I wonder.

53

"...with some idiots buying the line that it was Gov. Palin that cost us the '08 election."

 

To be fair, Ace is having second thoughts about that.

54 I think the story of the 2012 election is voter fraud in key precincts

55 Been saying it - the future version of the GOP is Meghan McCain. Thats where we're headed. Still think they represent you?

56 "...with some idiots buying the line that it was Gov. Palin that cost us the '08 election." To be fair, Ace is having second thoughts about that. Posted by: jwest at April 02, 2013 07:32 AM (u2a4R) No he's not. He doesn't think she's the GOP's savior, much like I don't either.

57 *off sock*

58 I am sick and tired of this election autopsy shit. It's like masturbation with someone you hate.

59 >"...with some idiots buying the line that it was Gov. Palin that cost us the '08 election." In 2008, America was shamed/cowed/cajoled by the media into electing the first non-white President. It was our first Presidential election based on skin color. Sadly, it won't be our last.

60 58 JJ Sefton,

You mean my ex wearing sandpaper gloves to do so to me is not a mark of affection?

61 I know some may be tired of hearing it, and I know it's sounds like oversimplification, but we lost due to the media and nothing else. I've talked to thousands of Democrat voters over the years and 90% or more can only parrot the lines they just were just fed by the MSM. Their knowledge on any topic is skin deep (to be generous). Republicans are bad because John Stewart told them so. I truly believe if America had an honest and impartial press the Democrat Party would cease to exist.

62

"No he's not. He doesn't think she's the GOP's savior, much like I don't either."

 

Posted by: Huckster at April 02, 2013 07:33 AM (FsUAO)

 

Well, we know Ace has the capacity to learn, so there is still hope for him. 

63 50 Clinton developed an outright sociopathic personality because of that upbringing. It is ideal for conscienceless politicians.

64 The AP has an article on Mexican drug cartels extending far beyond the border, into "middle-class suburbs."

 Typically, cartel operatives are not U.S. citizens and make no attempt to acquire visas, choosing instead to sneak across the border. They are so accustomed to slipping back and forth between the two countries that they regularly return home for family weddings and holidays, Riley said.

http://is.gd/pkfenz

65 Seems like thus story is less about Evangelicals and simply about Huckabee's opportunism. He's not their leader so who cares what his spin is?

66 So as a CT moron, do I finally abandon the party that clearly abandoned me?

67 "We" did not lose the women voters.  WHITE women were 53% vs 46%  for McShitty in 2008 and 56% vs 42% Romney is 2012.


We lost on the black and Hispanic vote who went Oshit by 95% and 70%


Romney lost by a lower margin than McShitty did.

68 GOP might also take a clue from the fact that the base has twice now voted for the VP not the candidate himself

69 66 So as a CT moron, do I finally abandon the party that clearly abandoned me? Posted by: Up and cummers #14 at April 02, 2013 07:37 AM (9sjmH) I am there with you. I was there the minute our Congressmen reelected Boner as speaker. Might as well fucking put Pelosi in there with the way that fucker is continuously violating the Hastert rule and passing bills with a majority of Democrat votes.

70 J.J. Sefton.  On this day in 1982 the Argentinians seized control of the Falkland Islands.  Britain under the leadership of Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, with some support from the US, launched Operation Corporate.  The mission of the Royal Navy task force centered around HMS Hermes and HMS Invincible was to retake the islands and return them to British control.

The British military did succeed in liberating the islands.  Though the cost in men and material was not something to be dismissed lightly.  Argentina's conscript army was quickly routed by a smaller but professional military the British fielded.  It also helped that Britain had air superiority over the islands.  After the sinking of General Belgrano, ex US light cruiser Phoenix, the Argentine navy stayed in port while the Argentine mainland had to worry about another Black Buck mission.

As a result of their catastrophic defeat in the Falklands campaign, the military junta of Argentina quickly collapsed.  Thus it can be argued that Britain helped liberate Argentina from a military dictatorship.  Which is something the current President of Argentina should reflect on as she rattles her rusty saber over the same islands for the same reasons as the junta.

71

Dana Loesch covered the Repub outreach to younger voters beautifully.  She filled in for Beck on TV yesterday and had three 20-something politicos talk about ways they could make inroads, and they were great.  No one in "leadership" is listening to them.  There's one mention of social media in Rinsed Preibus's autopsy report -- and that's to reach donors. 

 

Pro-tip:  Ease up on the Oak Ridge Boys' heavy rotation at campaign events.

72 65 Seems like thus story is less about Evangelicals and simply about Huckabee's opportunism. He's not their leader so who cares what his spin is? Posted by: Y-not iphone challenged at April 02, 2013 07:36 AM (Bpn3R) He helped sink an easy senate seat pickup. He's toxic to the party. I'd rather support Santorum.

73 "Okay, whose turn is it?" -overheard at RNC 2016 Presidential election strategy meeting[[/i]

74
>>>>By '16 the liberals will be telling us that it was Ryan that cost us '12, and we should nominate another moderate to appeal to the center. The worst part is a lot of Republicans will buy it.


Scott Brown for President or Bust 2016!!

It's a sure fire win this time!!

75 If the GOP think they can expand their base by hiring Lady Gaga, they need their heads examined.

76 why are all these voices in my cell so early today? Howdy.

77 70 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2013 07:40 AM (ztdrb) Britain sadly is done for. What the world wars didn't kill has been overrun by the "yobbos," leftists and Muzzies. But check out that film. Nice to see Ewen McGregor have a feel for history and pride, at least in this piece.

78 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2013 07:40 AM (ztdrb) Anna, I read somewhere recently that 90% of the Falkland residents prefer to stay under British rule. Hell, we couldn't get 90% of our own residents to vote to remain under American rule.

79 In my area the media campaiign was mainly about abortion. And the Abortion Moms won it for Maobama. When does the GOP reach out for the Abortion Mom vote?

80 Mike Huntsman-Lady Gaga '16!

81 BTW another stupid thing the GOP does wrong is try to distance itself from its extremists. Did you see Democrats due that shit during the Bush years? Fuck no they embraced even the 911 truthers. These people provide energy, motivation, and money, as well as votes, pissing on them every time the media says boo is a fucking dumb ass strategy when obviously the Democrats dont do the same thing to their nut jobs. I view anyone that thinks Obama is a muslim born in Kenya as a fucking buddy more than any fuck that voted for this idiot twice. I really do not see the need to continuously slap them in the face as I see Republicans do everywhere to prove themselves "better" to people that hate their guts and call them racists at every opportunity.

82 >>>No he's not. He doesn't think she's the GOP's savior, much like I don't either.

As much as I'm a fan of Palin, she isn't the GOP's savior either.

Someone who is Palin-like though..   Can be.

83 >Someone who is Palin-like though.. Can be. there are parts of her I really like

84 Heather, Can you give some specific example of conservatives or conservative media saying single women are "worthless pieces of shit". I think the thing about "Julia" was more directed towards a woman living off the government-not about single women in particular, unless you think suggesting that it's good for children to have both a mom and a dad is anti single women?

85 HDNET movies has Tall Tale coming on at 08:45 this morning.  If you have cable or satellite and get that channel this is a "must see".

86 the Abortion Mom vote? Only in modern America does that phrase make any sense. How sad.

87

Watched an HBO documentary over the weekend about some lower to middle class people caught up in the economy, losing their jobs and now losing their homes.

 

It was clear that the democrats wanted to help these people, but for some reason, the republicans wanted them homeless.

 

They didn't explain why the republicans benefitted from these people being on the street, but it was clear it brought them great joy seeing people with their utilities shut off and being forclosed on.

88 TAMPONS!!!!

89 My SIL is a member of an very conservative evangelical church in Southern VA. The entire congregation was praying for Romney. They knew the choice was between a Mormon and Lucifer. The RINO political consultant establishment is trying to cover their tracks over this (like they did in 200 and will probably do quite well at it. Rovian fingerprints are all over this loss, but he is still giving advice to us. I hope we refuse to take it again!

90 >>>>81 BTW another stupid thing the GOP does wrong is try to distance itself from its extremists. Did you see Democrats due that shit during the Bush years? Fuck no they embraced even the 911 truthers. These people provide energy, motivation, and money, as well as votes, pissing on them every time the media says boo is a fucking dumb ass strategy when obviously the Democrats dont do the same thing to their nut jobs.

My left nut for the GOP senator to go to the floor and defend their base rather than dismiss them as hobbits. 

It's not that difficult.  "Wanting the federal government to live within it's means isn't extreme.  It's what families try to do every day."  

"To want to enforce the border the same way Mexico enforces theirs isn't extreme." 

91 Nein nein nein!  Nicht alles kaput mein komerads!

All this pity party circular firing squad will ensure one thing from me, knock me out of the Top 10 posting.  Because you are so totally harshing my mellow all these Moriartys.

Anyway back to writing.  Words do not write themselves.  And even knowing my 'hero' is going to die at the end is far more cheerful than here.

92 82 Someone who is Palin-like though.. Can be. Posted by: Dave C at April 02, 2013 07:47 AM (8Mvv6) Putin. Palin minus the "al." Win!

93 "I view anyone that thinks Obama is a muslim born in Kenya as a fucking buddy more than any fuck that voted for this idiot twice" Worth repeating!

94 http://www.mathematica-mpr.com/newsroom/releases/2013/KIPP_2_13.asp Study shows that KIPP charter schools result in a FULL YEAR of extra progress for KIPP students over their public school peers who also applied for KIPP after 3 years of schooling. B-b-b-b-b-but public schools are necessary! For the children unions!

95

One of the "outreach" tips on reaching college kids was to hold a Republican Job Fair on campus and offer resume-writing help as well as making contacts in the Obama Economy.  This stuff is easy -- esp. rubbing it in Da Won's face about the stinking economy/job market.  You know the progs would do it in a heartbeat; the R's would probably tell you that would be rude.

 

 

96

Time to jump on the treadmill.

 

You don't maintain a god-like figure sitting behind a desk.

97 >And even knowing my 'hero' is going to die at the end is far more cheerful than here. what about 'it was all a dream'? You know, that old chestnut.

98

Time to jump on the treadmill.

You don't maintain a god-like figure sitting behind a desk.

 

 

Right behind ya.  Although in my case, the god is Buddha.

99 95 Posted by: RushBabe at April 02, 2013 07:52 AM (orY9d) How many campuses would allow this? They consider any R affiliated organization as a hate group.

100 As they said. "They would have turned out in GREATER NUMBERS  . "

Don't try some journalistic feint to hide the fact that a more conservative Nominee would've garnered MORE votes.

Of course Romney got an increased amount. He was running against an avowed marxist muslim and they knew it.

So more decided to bite the bullet and vote EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW ROMNEY WAS GOING TO SELL THEM OUT.

Because they also knew that Obama was going to do . . .  well, exactly what he HAS done.

And we won't identify the problem as long as the RINOS keep claiming we just have to change our messaging. It ain't the messaging friend, it's the fact that Republicans have lied and flipped and "evolved" and gained "strange new respect" once they get to DC and are under the control of the Establishment guys.

Well, not to worry. After getting them in in 2010 and they dithered around and helped them keep the House in 2012, they don't have any political capital to spend on SoCons.

It's gonna be:

 SEE YA, WOULDN'T WANT TO BE YA in 2016 for the liberal Republican Party.

101 Posted by: jwest at April 02, 2013 07:49 AM (u2a4R) GOP Strategy 1. Cause everyone to lose their jobs and homes 2. ?????? 3. Profit!

102 Good morning Horde. Only 10 minutes till the morning sign in/meeting so not enough time to type it out now but,,, After 5pm MST (or maybe 6 or 7) I will be making a Major Announcement RE Purp's ofa post this morning. A brilliant idea I had this am while, well while getting ready for work. It will be the Horde's way of combatting that nonsense. Stay tuned and... Love each other fellow babies.

103 Obama's #12345 focus has been on jobs! The whole time! Serious this time!!!

104 Typically, cartel operatives are not U.S. citizens and make no attempt to acquire visas, choosing instead to sneak across the border. They are so accustomed to slipping back and forth between the two countries So there would be no record of them if they went missing and wound up as fertilizer in a farmer's field. We can work with that.

105 <<<<41 We list the single women, not the married ones. Maybe conservatives and conservative media should stop going on and on over and over about how single women are worthless pieces of shit ruining the country. Every. Fucking. Day. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking heavily at April 02, 2013 07:24 AM (hO8IJ)>>>>> Links, please.

106 103 Obama's #12345 focus has been on jobs! The whole time! Serious this time!!! Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 02, 2013 07:56 AM (FsUAO) Blow jobs to Reggie Love.

107 Red China's navy was angered by US/SKorean drills... NKorea was angered by US/SKorean drills... Regardless, China in apparent support of NKorea, according to media report by Bill Gertz, The Washington Free Beacon, "China mobilizing troops, jets near Korea" (4/1). --- http://tinyurl.com/d86dply "China’s navy also conducted live-firing naval drills by warships in the Yellow Sea that were set to end Monday near the Korean peninsula, in apparent support of North Korea, which was angered by ongoing U.S.-South Korean military drills that are set to continue throughout April." China’s military maintains a long-standing defense treaty with the North...Chinese military spokesmen frequently refer to their relations with the Korean People’s Army, as the North Korean military is called, as ties “as close as lips and teeth.” [Been there, done that.] "...commerce between the two countries was disrupted following North Korea’s Feb. 12 underground nuclear test. Since that time, it has been more difficult for the goods from North Korea to reach China." --- 1. Global recession not mentioned as a slowing factor. Ex: Trade between Asian giants China and Japan slowed to near standstill already according to Japanese televised news via PBS. 2. Wtf, North Korean trade? For Chinese restaurants? Nork slave labor as "fresh meat" tainted with nuclear radiation poisoning, refused entry. What else does NKorea produce for trade than starving masses? Industrial complex...

108 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 02, 2013 07:55 AM (Kpn/z) I'd be happier if Republicans didn't "evolve" once they get into office!

109 So more decided to bite the bullet and vote EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW ROMNEY WAS GOING TO SELL THEM OUT. ***** This And conservative have been screaming STOP at the republicans since Bush and the prescription drugs bullshit and No Child Educated Well. Straw upon straw until the totalitarian city is built.

110 As far as I can tell, there have been no problems due to the sequester. The only bad things to happen have been done intentionally and concurrently, not as a result of it.

111 NK is just China's rabid pit bull it uses to intimidate the region.

112
I'd be happier if Republicans didn't "evolve" once they get into office!
Posted by: Hrothgar




Well, it's not as if the Republicans would do something like -- say -- join with Democrats in a Blue State bi-partisan gun grab.

They might go native on most issues, but at least we can trust them on certain fundamental constitutional rights,

113 The Hokey Pokey #BestSongToHaveSexTo

114 101 Icedog Sell TARP to the taxpayers, promising that this is how Big Brother will compassionately conserve home ownership in America. See Lucy, Charlie, football.

115 Hey, did I miss an explanation for Vic's absence yesterday and today?  Is he OK?

116 They might go native on most issues, but at least we can trust them on certain fundamental constitutional rights, Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2013 08:05 AM (kdS6q) That's why I sleep so well at night, knowing I can trust the Republicans to have read and understand the Constitution.

117 Maybe conservatives and conservative media should stop going on and on over and over about how single women are worthless pieces of shit ruining the country.  Every. Fucking. Day.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking heavily

Yea conservatives do have a tendancy to state the obvious.  Before you bitch at me I'm a woman so don't even go there.  Young single women are total worthless pieces of shit most of the time.  They usually act like they are entitled to something special because they sit down to pee and...maybe because their eggs haven't dried up yet, I don't know.  This is especially noticeable in the northeast where I am.

118 110 As far as I can tell, there have been no problems due to the sequester. The only bad things to happen have been done intentionally and concurrently, not as a result of it. Posted by: Truman North at April 02, 2013 08:03 AM (I2LwF) Well it's caused me to think about getting out of the PhD program due to my funding falling out from under me. I'd have to basically start over research, which would have sucked. Just got a high 5-figure job lined up on Easter Sunday so it ain't so bad

119 Eh. Nobody was in favor of TARP. Or more specifically, very very few people were in favor of it. We need a way to recall congress prior to making stupid votes.

120 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 02, 2013 07:34 AM (tqLft)

More like someone you're repulsed by.

The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference or despising.

121 I'm really looking forward to teej's announcement!

122 It's been 135 day since the last Bourbon Cast. My Tequila Shot Crying Sessions aren't cutting it. Help us, EOJ-wan Shidoobie, you're our only hope.

123 I'd be happier if Republicans didn't "evolve" once they get into office! Posted by: Hrothgar at April 02, 2013 08:00 AM (Cnqmv) They play for the base, then play for the middle. It's a function of what Americans think. I long for the day when the two battling parties are severe conservatives and lower-case l libertarians.

124 Didn't the republicans in congress need to be dragged kicking and screaming to TARP by W?  I remember the progs were all for it (i.e. Obama) and were up bright and early that day to sign our money away to their donors.

125 111 NK is just China's rabid pit bull it uses to intimidate the region. Posted by: zsasz at April 02, 2013 08:04 AM (MMC8r) I'd feel a hell of a lot better if Preznit Brick Load was not the C-in-C.

126 124 Didn't the republicans in congress need to be dragged kicking and screaming to TARP by W? I remember the progs were all for it (i.e. Obama) and were up bright and early that day to sign our money away to their donors. Posted by: Jaimo at April 02, 2013 08:09 AM (9U1OG) There was debate on teh blogs, but I think politicians heeded the political winds and voted for it.

127 ....Republicans to have read and understand the Constitution. *** Snowe, Collins McCain, Murkowsky, .....

128 Okay, okay. I will.

129 121I'm really looking forward to teej's announcement!  Posted by: Truman North at April 02, 2013 08:09 AM (I2LwF)  Bacon flavored condums? That ship has sailed.

130 I'm inclined to think most young people-while not worthless pieces of shit-tend to be self involved and narcissistic. or maybe its the ones I know who were raised by liberal parents, tend to think the government is the giver of all good things and pride themselves ob being beyond a need for any belief in Christianity.

131 http://blogs.rollcall.com/goppers/marco-rubio-says-process-counts-in-immigration-overhaul/ Selling us out or not, at least Rubio seems interested in having people read and debate the fial bill. This I can stand. This gives us time to voice our concerns and make our congress critters buckle under the pressure if needed.

132 Gabe, I'm late to this party, but I disagree 100% with the suggestion that the problem is one of "messaging."

The perception of the Democrats among LIVs is that they fight, they are unified, and they win. And it's true. That is not perception -- that's reality. The message is secondary.

The perception of the Republicans among LIVs is that they are accommodationist and do not present a unified front, and certainly don't fight for what they believe in. And it's true.

Until they present themselves as winners, or losers fighting valiantly and together, they will always lose.

133 being beyond a need for any belief in Christianity. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 02, 2013 08:13 AM (4nopz) I think they feel they are beyond any need for personal responsibility as well.

134 131 http://blogs.rollcall.com/goppers/marco-rubio-says-process-counts-in-immigration-overhaul/ Selling us out or not, at least Rubio seems interested in having people read and debate the fial bill. This I can stand. This gives us time to voice our concerns and make our congress critters buckle under the pressure if needed. Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 02, 2013 08:14 AM (FsUAO) That's why it went down on flames in '07. And it's why Leahy and Schumer want to ram it down our throats as fast as possible without any review. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

135 And the Chamber of Commerce and AFL/CIO can suck my ass.

136 Links, please.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 02, 2013 07:59 AM (JDIKC)

In refutation?

This single woman is clearly not worthless

http://tinyurl.com/b7bqns9

NSFW

137 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 02, 2013 08:15 AM (tqLft) Just waiting for Boehner to say "We need to pass it to find out what's in it!"

138 All the republicans need is a "real" conservative governor to run.  And it would help if that person could speak past the cameras to the people, have a sense of humor and be optimistic about the future of America.  And I say governor because we need a Washington outsider.  Washington is the problem, its full of bullshit and commies.

139 GOP might also take a clue from the fact that the base has twice now voted for the VP not the candidate himself Again, there is no evidence that this is true. Romney won the GOP nomination with a majority of primary votes. Not a plurality in a mixed field; he actually ended up with a majority of GOP primary voters, the most-fired-up, most committed group of GOP voters. That's the base and Romney won them. There's no reason to believe, having selected him in the primary, those voters abandoned him in the general.

140 That's why it went down on flames in '07. And it's why Leahy and Schumer want to ram it down our throats as fast as possible without any review. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 02, 2013 08:15 AM (tqLft) They tried to ram it through last time. Luckily the phone lines melted with all the calls being sent in. I'm more of an open borders type(not open citizenship, more the visa route) but if they don't do this slowly and in the open they deserve everything coming to them. No more TARPs. No more Obamacares.

141 A.  Those Vermont numbers...I don't even...

B.  The NYT does not know what Easter is.  Check Twitchy.  Just...wow.

142 Mike Huckabee...still full of shit.

143 Posted by: Case at April 02, 2013 08:17 AM (GxTMf) You forgot the inbred political class and the revolving door payoffs.

144 Heather, you are an uncommonly wise and capable woman. You are a credit to your sex and not typical. I am continually surprised when you take exception to something said about women I general, because you are extraordinary in so many ways-- and when someone talks about "women," in general, rarely do they mean to include you in that criticism.

145 I just thought, if I kept watching it, maybe it would change to a good movie!

146

>>>There was debate on teh blogs, but I think politicians heeded the political winds and voted for it.

 

IIRC, the threat in TARP was there would be tanks in the streets and they thought they had to do it to prevent that. When TFG got in office he sat with Stephanopoloser and was laughing about the economy - which, looking back, wasn't necessarily crazy-laughing or nic-fitting but could have been a realization that TARP didn't work and tanks are going on the streets anyhow.

 

Regardless, thats where I think we're headed still judging by purchases made across the board by governmental agencies.

 

My point though: It wasn't sold as political but as necessary to stave off total collapse.

147 2004 election - 62M vs 59M R  US pop 294M

2008 election -  69.5M vs 60M D US pop 304M

2012 election - 66M vs 61M D US pop 313M


If D turnout was as high in 2004 as it was in 2008 and 2012 Bush would have lost.


Yeah turnout was the key, Dem turnout.

148 They (young people) also tend to think that their first job out of college should automatically pay at least a $80,000 a year and that would be the low end of the scale. What planet are they living on?

149 My point though: It wasn't sold as political but as necessary to stave off total collapse. Posted by: Bigby's Iron Fist at April 02, 2013 08:19 AM (3ZtZW) I'd call that political winds. I mean if the SHTF, all politicians would have been tossed. Not excusing it, just saying what the political reality was.

150 "Evangelicals have been telling a story about how they were lukewarm for Romney and would have turned out in greater numbers if only the party had selected a candidate that was stronger on values." So they are claiming they let Obama win because they weren't getting their way on enough issues in the hypothetical realm of pre-election promises. And they want MORE influence and respect when choosing candidates? Everyone was lukewarm on Romney but not to the point of throwing their hands up and giving the Dems a pass on everything. You can never trust statists.

151 What planet are they living on?

The one where a family of four pays 12% of the health premiums of a single person.

152 It's like blaming Luap Nor for voting for Afghanistan invasion. Yeah he's not principled like PaulTards say, but he knew which way the winds were blowing. He's a politician like any other.

153 certainly don't fight for what they SAY THEY believe in. And it's true.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2013 08:14 AM (0zDXv)

FIFY

PS.

I capitalize because I'm too lazy and afeered of the barrel to mess around with brackets just to have italics.

Not because I'm a raving maniac. I can still hide that pretty well.

SO FAR

154 MP4, like the stories... but... I'm still having a hard time living with the image of date rape bdsm Detective Joe Friday!

155 Whether you think Heather Radish has a point or not she represents a likely perception amongst a set of women voters that are unlikely to vote R.


If the press, movies, schools and Planned Unparenthood are all telling the ladies that the Rs hate them and want them to be baby making machines for misogynists, any misstep on our part only confirms the bias.

156 Romney won the GOP nomination with a majority of primary votes.


Yeah with a LOT of shenanigans and underhanded crap from the State Parties. 


How about VA primary with nobody on the ballot but Romney and Paul?  How about the GOP stacking blue States up front year after year?


How about Romney getting all the State delegates when he only won 30% of the vote.



I will tell you one thing Gabe, I have voted for the "its my turn GOP candidate" for the last time.


No fucking more.

157 Someone upstream already nailed it. The Evangelical loss myth is more about Huckabee being an opportunistic scourge on conservatism. I've always been neutral about him, but it is utter BS that Evangelicals didn't turn out for the vote between the Asshat in the WH and Romney; a fact that Huckabee knows given his affiliation with Evangelicals. I've lost all respect for The Huckster.

158 "Political Evangelicals have been telling a story about how they were lukewarm for Romney and would have turned out in greater numbers if only the party had selected a candidate that was stronger on values." Posted by: Snake Oil Baron at April 02, 2013 08:22 AM (RKeHi) Actual Envangelicals knew that Obumbles was a 1000x worse than Romney in every respect!

159 I don't know anyone who is a conservative or even moderate leaning right Christian who didn't vote for Romney. It's anecdotal, of course, but I really don't think Christians stayed home.

160 The two obvious and major problems with the notion that evangelicals turned out in force in '12 are (1) it's based upon a small sample, high-MOE poll commissioned by evangelicals, (2) it's a collection of non-sequiturs. If millions stayed home and didn't vote in prior cycles and a slightly smaller number stayed home and didn't vote in '12, yeah, technically, their turnout was higher. But still there are tons of non-votes out there. And of course it goes without saying that you have to separate black evangelicals from white evangelicals, since the former in any event are going to vote in lock step for the Democrat. To say the GOP has a "messaging" problem is like saying a corpse has a breathing problem. Democrats control virtually the entire media, so of course the GOP will struggle to get its message out. Ultimately, though, the GOP has two colossal and perhaps intractable snafus with which to deal: (1) horrible demographics of its erstwhile primary voter "base", (2) lock step voting against it by racial minorities. To win the presidency a GOP nominee will need to get at least 60% of the overall white vote. Bare minimum. That's a tall order. There are a lot of ignoramuses out there. College students. Washed-up Hippies. Government clerical workers. Union drones. Then you have the irrational right. How many votes does the DrewM demographic cost the GOP each election cycle, either directly or indirectly, by turning off normal people? It's going to be a very tough row to hoe.

161 Oh, so it turns out a very important link on my PAC website has been broken for a week or more. I'm not allowed to tell you what it is under pain of Andy, but that link has been fixed. Many thanks to Jane D'oh for pointing out the broken link. It could have been horrible.

162 154- Me 2!

163 Posted by: Vic at April 02, 2013 08:24 AM (53z96) Hello Vic. Is all well?

164 any misstep on our part only confirms the bias. So what would you suggest to confront that perception?

165 Yeah things are great

166

MP4, like the stories... but... I'm still having a hard time living with the image of date rape bdsm Detective Joe Friday!

 

Posted by: a mindful webworker at April 02, 2013 08:23 AM (qG1i2)

 

If that sounds ooky, then don't ever ask me for the story about the MGM-financed brothel with a Shirley Temple lookalike. . .

167 I will tell you one thing Gabe, I have voted for the "its my turn GOP candidate" for the last time.

No fucking more.
Posted by: Vic at April 02, 2013 08:24 AM (53z96)

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

Gabe if you have contacts in the GOP, show this to them.^^^^

We're mad as hell, and we're not going to take it anymore.

It's as simple as that. Let them figure out what to do about it.

168

@Truman North,

 

On TARP.

What we need is congressmen who come back to their districts every so often, like more than once every 2 years when it's reelection time.  Redistricting may have given us the house majority but it's also given us a set of professional politicians, something the founding fathers were not expecting.

169 I capitalize because I'm too lazy and afeered of the barrel to mess around with brackets just to have italics.  Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 02, 2013 08:23 AM (Kpn/z)

Let the barrel love you.  Open your heart to its means of gentle, if somewhat unsanitary, correction.  Remember, there can be no forgiveness without penance.

170 Oh, there you are, Vic.  Missed you yesterday!

171 How about, democrats are telling rape victims they should have pooped on their attacker.

172 Who would be "next in line" in '16? Huntsman?!?!

173
Again, there is no evidence that this is true. Romney won the GOP nomination with a majority of primary votes.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor




Romney had been running for President for at least 8 years.  He had a massive advantage in financing, name recognition and GOP insider support.

And still a former Senator and a guy who made pizzas for a living managed to keep the race going until the latest decision since Ford edged out Reagan in '76.

Evidence, you guys.

174

Gabe -

 

In saying the base voted for the VP I'm saying the base found the VP selection more compelling than the candidate in two cycles now. The VP is not part of the Primaries process, so to attempt to refute the claim as you have is an apples/oranges problem. Its anecdotal but there's no one lionizing McCain or thinking Romney is in any way vital to the GOP's future, yet there is a contigent saying that about both Palin and Ryan.

175 164 i have no magic. i am simply stating the obvious tho it appears to be an unpopular notion.

Let's be honest; There is a 0% chance that claiming that women shouldn't vote or blaming women for the votes of the past (regardless of numbers) will convince them to vote the way you wish.

176 It's going to be a very tough row to hoe. Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at April 02, 2013 08:25 AM (r2PLg)

This is the first correct usage of this axiom that I've ever seen on this blog....or anywhere in the internet for that matter.

The pedant in me thanks you from the bottom of its cold, dark heart.

177 <<<>>> I think it's another myth that the Arrogant Dickbag demo is a natural GOP constituency. If they can't own a success 100%, they'd be happier just being able to say, "I told you so." Like Paultards, with less pot.

178 Now is the time when every group starts jockeying for love and attention next time by claiming they were neglected last time. I'm a Libertarian you have to appeal to me! I'm an evangelical, you have to appeal to me! I'm a single mother, you have to appeal to me! Frankly, the votes we need are located in the large metro areas of the country, and those don't sway to any beat other than the free shit rumba. Hard to appeal to them without losing more than you gain.

179 For messaging, it isn't about selling Republican policies better but countering the stereotyping being done by the Democrats. Who is going to vote for racist, homophobic, mysogynists, that want to kill old people and starve children just so their fat cat friends can make billions off poverty and suffering? Republicans joke about attacks like this but after 40 years of not fighting back against them, people believe the lies. What were the isues Obama ran on? Treament of women, gays, minorities, children, and old people. Obama attacked the GOP as being against each group but not just against them on some policy but that the GOP has some anciet inbred hatred for these groups and seeks only to abuse them. What did the Republicans run on? The economy, debt, spending, and foreign policy. There were two different campaigns taking place and the one Obama was running was nothing like the one Romney was running. To the extent Obama covered any of the issues Republicans thought were important, it was defensive and deflection. Easy to do with our media. But what attracted the voters to Obama? All of the racist and bigoted attacks against the GOP. If the Republicans can't counter the attack that they are hateful, racist, or bigoted toward X group, they will not be able to win elections. And don't think that if they cave on amnesty that the racist attacks will stop. The Democrats will just find some other line of attack to call them racist against central and south americans because it isn't about any one issue but using the racist attack itself that is the method for the Democrats.

180 172 Who would be "next in line" in '16?

Huntsman?!?!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 02, 2013 08:30 AM (FsUAO)

Nah, too far right. Jeb my man, Jeb...

181 How about, talk about John Fresolo 24/7 and make sure everyone knows he is bein protected by democrats. Talk about Bob menendez 24/7 and make sure everyone knows he is being protected. Talk about Democrats' real war on women, 24/7

182 I will tell you one thing Gabe, I have voted for the "its my turn GOP candidate" for the last time. No fucking more Posted by: Vic at April 02, 2013 08:24 AM (53z96)

I'm trying to figure out how a guy who went through 20 debates in an endless primary against consistently under-performing candidates becomes the "it's my turn" candidate.

Seriously, can you help me with that?

183 Noted by a friend:
For those who haven't heard, Washington State just passed two laws - gay marriage and legalized marijuana. The fact that gay marriage and marijuana were legalized on the same day makes perfect biblical sense because Leviticus 20:13 says "If a man lies with another man they should be stoned." We just hadn't interpreted it correctly before!

184 >The pedant in me thanks you from the bottom of its cold, dark heart. Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 02, 2013 08:31 AM (sbV1u) you must hate 'hone in on' and 'no holes barred'

185 >>>How about, democrats are telling rape victims they should have pooped on their attacker.


This is probably the only political option open to the Rs. Sure everybody says we hate you but they hate you more. And we have cookies. Come to the dark side.

Same with minorities. "Yeah, we aren't nice but how are those Dem cities treating you? And we'll give you money to send your kids to the rich kid school."

186 Honestly, I'm sick of politics. I want someone with principles; someone who can articulate them with passion and is not afraid to stand by them. Show me a candidate like this and he/she will have my vote.

187 The people who comment here that women shouldn't vote are utterly ludicrous. If they're suggesting that suffrage should be repealed- they're delusional and an embarrassment to conservatives and have mommy or wife issues But we're still left with the problem-how does the right appeal to women?

188 It's anecdotal, of course, but I really don't think Christians stayed home.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 02, 2013 08:25 AM (4nopz)

There's a bit of a mean streak in a lot of Christians.

They'll warn you about the fire but if you keep sticking your hand in it, they'll finally let you and let the outcome be your punishment for ignoring them.

Christians love this country but they're not concerned enough to jeopardize their own salvation. Therefore they figure if it's God's will that the US gets taken down due to it's arrogant, baby murdering and deviancy embracing ways then SO BE IT.

Yeah, they know they'll be a part of the misery but they've absorbed revelations since they were 5, it's not gonna be a surprise.

They figure they'll eventually be resurrected and with Jesus no matter what happens on this earthly plane. 

This is MY perception of how I think they think. YMMV

189

>>>Honestly, I'm sick of politics. I want someone with principles; someone who can articulate them with passion and is not afraid to stand by them.

 

This.

 

Its also why the VP has been more popular in two cycles. They're allowed to fight.

190 you must hate 'hone in on' and 'no holes barred' Posted by: Jones in CO at April 02, 2013 08:34 AM (8sCoq)

Indeed.

191

"I've been writing since November...that the party has a messaging problem"

I'd say "mental problem", but that would be racist or something.

I denounce myself.

 

"Republicans joke about attacks like this but after 40 years of not fighting back against them, people believe the lies."

This is the key that so many on the Right seem to be totally unwilling to address - the befuddling unwillingness to punch back, brought to full flower under Bush and now Bohener, now leaves the way clear for every blow to land hard, fast, and hurtful. It's as if the GOP somehow belives "politics" to be a polite parlor game, perhaps carried out after a stirring round of whist, followed by a spirited discussion of marginal rates over gin and tonics...

while the Left sees politics as what it is: a part of life worth fighting for.

192

Now is the time when every group starts jockeying for love and attention next time by claiming they were neglected last time. I'm a Libertarian you have to appeal to me! I'm an evangelical, you have to appeal to me! I'm a single mother, you have to appeal to me!

 

What, no love for us Arrogant Dickbags?

193 And no mention of the widespread practice of ritual mutilation of the female genitalia... http://preview.tinyurl.com/c65udh4

194 The country needs another Bush to run.

195 Who would be "next in line" in '16?

Whoever was the liberal but got swamped or didn't make the initial cut.

Pence or one them other midwesterners.

196
Who would be "next in line" in '16? Huntsman?!?!
Posted by: HoboJerky





A member of the Bush family TBD.

It's like alternate side of the street parking on street-cleaning day.

197 @188.  That's about right, Bitter Clinger.

198

>>>The country needs another Bush to run.

 

What does Meggy say, Karl?

199 What, no love for us Arrogant Dickbags? Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 02, 2013 08:38 AM (zF6Iw)

The Arrogant Dickbag Party.

Cut.  Jib.  Newsletter?

200 <>>>> It failed to paste, but that was in response to the "DrewM. demographic" who turn off normal people.

201 "Christians love this country but they're not concerned enough to jeopardize their own salvation" I don't understand what you're getting at here in regard to salavtion. I hate to say this, but it may be God's will that the US is taken down. God has done it with arrogant nations that didn't worship God before. It was done with Judah and Israel. The US is not synonymous with the Kingdom of God. That doesn't mean one should sit idly by on the sidelines and be quiet about how Obama is destroying the country. On the other hand, the scripture says repeatedly that we are to pray for our leaders because they are given by God.

202 but they're not concerned enough to jeopardize their own salvation.

Why would they risk something eternal for something temporary?

203 I'm trying to figure out how a guy who went through 20 debates in an endless primary against consistently under-performing candidates becomes the "it's my turn" candidate. Mitt's major selling points were 1) inevitability, 2) moderate appeal, and 3) organization.

204 The numbers went up, but not in relation to population growth, a confident populist candidate, who knew what he believed like Reagan, did better than a mealy mouthed like Dewey or Ford. 2012, was an attempt to see if we could pull off a President Rockefeller, or a Scranton you can't.

205 Kate Bush. Either her or hairy 70's porn bush.

206 Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 08:38 AM (lbiWb) Very true.

207 111 NorK = Bloody Trouble. Revive Eisenhower Republican Party. US, don't count on China while placating the American public with messaging, "That was then, this is now. China wouldn't war v. US." Hearing the Pentagon announce that Trouble is not anticipated in Korea while the US completes war drills "is" propagandized reassurance. pfft However, Truman along with the UN forced our men into hell frozen over. The Korean War was not "just" anything but a fiasco that Eisenhower Republicans (NOT neo-conservative) campaigned and won to pull the US from continuing. And Ike kept his promise. Small man complex D-Truman was wrong to refuse advice from his military, and wrong to publicly end the career of Gen. MacArthur who warned that a ground war would be futile and bestial; better to clear via atom-bomb a no-man zone to maintain the Korean "peace". Instead, too many men were forced to slaughter each other before MacArthur's goal for a no-man's land was effected in the end. And by war v. diplomacy, the US confirmed to China that we no longer were grateful for the aid that the Chinese people gave our military during WWII. Razor's Edge, diplomacy v. aggression. MacArthur and Eisenhower knew well enough that no war should be fought without having a clear end goal. That was then. This is now with ever increasing never-ending US wars abroad while Constitutional Governance is no more at home. The clear end goal is what we witness happening already; chaos to keep the masses enslaved with nowhere to go -- resistance is futile. "I Like Ike" Reagan isn't the Republican Party's only solid American statesman for the latest generation to reinterpret. And given all of the US Military Installations abroad dating from WWII conclusion, it isn't as if Ike was an isolationist though he definitely cut down the size of our military after wars, and 'brought our troops home'. Nor was Ike a bloody global corporatist, as his final address and warning to America clarified our danger from Washingtonian profiteers forcing our citizenry to fund their industrial-congressional war machine which protects globalist interests vs. the US Constitution, rule of law, our national borders, and US citizenry.

208 Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 02, 2013 08:31 AM (sbV1u)

So has waiting this long been a tough roe to ho for you?

the other favorite is tow the line.

209 I'm trying to figure out how a guy who went through 20 debates in an endless primary against consistently under-performing candidates becomes the "it's my turn" candidate.

Seriously, can you help me with that?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 02, 2013 08:33 AM (sbV1u)

You stated the problem already.  But you left out who hosted all those stupid non-debates. 

AND they are going to do it AGAIN.  Fuck them. if they do not change the primary system this time they can kiss my ass.

210 We've got a dumbfuck electorate having had their brains leached out by the MFM and public daycare/indoctrination centers.  I think Reagan understood that and was able to use his good sense of humor to come up with lines that stayed with people.  With Carter it was the "there you go again" and with Mondale it was "I'm not going to use my opponent's youth against him"; both of which happened in debates and had to have been off the cuff remarks.  For all the comments of shitstains like Clark Clifford, Reagan was far from an "amiable dunce"; rather he was extremely sharp and understood the value of a well delivered jab.  Romney actually gave some reasonably good examples of the benefits of conservatism but, like everything Willard did, it was delivered in the most boring manner possible and probably sounded to the dumbfucks like Richie Rich giving excuses for not basing his success on being born with a silver spoon in his mouth.


For all the complaints about Palin, she's the only one who has consistently delivered jabs to the donks that have hit home.  I think that's why a lot of people like her because she does something that, either by plan or otherwise, the others just don't do.

211 What does Meggy say, Karl?

Posted by: Bigby's Iron Fist at April 02, 2013 08:40 AM (3ZtZW)

She's on board and excited. Very excited if you get my drift....

212

>>>The US is not synonymous with the Kingdom of God.

 

No, indeed. Scripture holds that all Nations will be against Israel at some point and all Nations shall be punished for it. The USA is no different and the barrel cometh.

213 But we're still left with the problem-how does the right appeal to women? I think the right does appeal to many women, but mostly of a certain kind. On the other hand, if a woman uses government as her "partner" instead of a reliable husband, it is understandable they would more attracted to the Dems than the GOP.

214 I have said that for some time. Anyone who was claiming evangelicals were sitting out because of Romney Mormonism does not know any evangelicals, but instead is treating evangelicals as some fictitious group and saying "That sounds like something they would do." We are electing a President, not a pope. The "evangelical construct" is a tool that is used to paint evangelicals as unthinking, unreasonable voters who will not be appeased, so there is no point in trying.

215 ....a tough roe to ho....

*****

a tough row to hoe

216

Morning, all!

 

We might as well get used to the DOPE blaming evangelicals for Romney's loss last year.  They've decided it was those bigoted     religious types who        refused to turn out for a    Mormon, and nothing will dissuade them from that bone.   They refuse to take a long,    hard look at    any of the other explanations, no matter how many times this is debunked.   They've adopted the ostrich defense.

217 Evangelicals have been telling a story about how they were lukewarm for Romney

Bullshit.  People have been pitching a version of that almost every day since the election (often in the morning's THC post), and evangelicals and others have constantly had to be on defense from it with the actual data.

The final data also says that Romney didn't lose women, although it was fairly close.  The real stay-homes, as I understand it, were the blue collar types.

218 On the other hand, if a woman uses government as her "partner" instead of a reliable husband, it is understandable they would more attracted to the Dems than the GOP. The thing to do, then, is start here and now whispering to her what a deadbeat loser her boyfriend is and how she'd be better off without him.

219

Mitt's major selling points were 1) didn't rock the boat...

 

That was pretty much it. Under a Mittens administration all the GOP "leadership" would've stayed intact.

Bleh.

220 a tough cuke to pickle

221 I'm a tough ho to row.

222 a tough chicken to pluck

223 a tough issue to abandon

224

The people who comment here that women shouldn't vote are utterly ludicrous. If they're suggesting that suffrage should be repealed- they're delusional and an embarrassment to conservatives and have mommy or wife issues

 

In an ideal world - Alextopia, say - universal suffrage would be repealed.  "Julians" fuck up as many votes as the "Julias."

 

But we're still left with the problem-how does the right appeal to women?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 02, 2013 08:35 AM (4nopz)

 

How do you beat the Sugar Daddy Party?

225 The ones yammering about evangelicals not voting for Romney are either establishment RINOS or Obamaphiles. In fact, Obamaphiles repeat it endlessly.

226

I don't know that you can take the Republican primary results as a ringing endorsement of the base, Gabe. 

 

For one, the primaries are spread out over the space of months.  Candidates were dropping out after the early primaries, so you didn't have a uniform field across the entire primary season. 

 

Another, Mitt Romney won 52% of the overall primary vote (out of 19 million total votes cast).  I would call that grudging acceptance, not outright enthusiasm.  Plus, a fair portion of that vote was received after it became clear that neither Santorum nor Gingrich were going to be able to get enough delegates in the remaining primary states to be competitive.  So IMO the primary voters coalesced around Romney because no other candidate had the organization to be competitive and was sold as a guy who had the best chance to win the general, not because the primary voters were overly enthusiastic about the guy. 

 

And yes, Vic mentioned some odd things, including where the VA Republicans only had Romney and Paul on the primary ballot.  That's skewing the vote results.  Let's not also forget the states which have open primaries, and by definition those wouldn't be representative of "the base."

 

When the Democrats would lose elections they would trot out the excuse that it's not their policies that are the issue, but the messaging.  I ridiculed it back then and I ridicule the excuse when it's offered now.  The reality is we've reached the tipping point where the FSA bloc can now impact elections.

227 a tough bam to boozle

228 And Wurtzel's freakout to Mediate, using the same terms, as the Trig Denialist left, about the only figure, that had a winning streak last fall, doesn't help things. even though Flake went into the trough head first.

229 A tough turd to polish.

230 214-Very good points. Boone.

231 229 bingo

232 rather a sticky wicket I should think, what

233 Mitt's major selling points were 1) inevitability, 2) moderate appeal, and 3) organization. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 02, 2013 08:41 AM (bZKG0)

So then you're saying the the Republican base is susceptible to the "it's my turn" approach?  That sort of undermines the argument that we pick the wrong guy if it's the base picking that guy.

Ditto for "moderate appeal."  The primaries are where the base comes out.  If they vote for the "moderate" then that's who they want.

As far as "organization" goes.  That's what it takes to run.  Period.  If you as a candidate cannot assemble a deep and capable organization, then you probably don't deserve to win.  Mitt demonstrated this by pissing endless gobs of money away on consultants for no return...as well as the debacle that was ORCA.

234

Still think there are some policy/platform issues that need work and that hurt Republicans. However, I agree with the overall point here.

We did not lose by that much this past November. If we had better turnout from our "base" Romney would have won. Understandably, Republicans are frustrated with their candidates and with the party. I'm sure many Democrats share this frustration with their candidates as well. However, I think the core Democrat voters (we know who they are) do not stay home to send a message that they demand a more ideologically pure candidate or one more aligned with their particular hot button issue. 

235 Well' it's Huckabee that's running around making all these "Evangelical" claims. If they want to stop that nonsense- maybe "they" should speak with him.

I am a little confused how any voter, including Evangelicals advance their cause by sitting home. Provided empirical data supports any of these claims- how's this working our for you now. Ya know, as opposed to the evil Mormon Romney?

Choosing not to vote is still a choice.

236 Anyone who was claiming evangelicals were sitting out because of Romney Mormonism does not know any evangelicals

The political calculus on this isn't even very hard.  Romney believes in Jesus.  Obama believes in some combination of himself, Islam, and Reggie's cock.

237

#210,

Exactly, Cap'n! RWR was pretty darn good at slicing and dicing his way thru DC, to the point that Clifford's remark was laughed AT, not WITH by late nighters, comics, etc.

Palin, to this day, lives in the heads of leftists rent free - witness the silly Reuters blog post the other day ranting on her...

238

I held my nose and voted for Palin (McCain), and again for Ryan (Romney), against my brother's wise advice both times.  In 2016?  As Papa Bush would say: "Not gonna do it.  Wouldn't be prudent." 

I don't care if the Ds run Fauxcohontas, Her Royal Commie-ness, Joe "BFD" Biden, or Al effin' Franken.  I'm through with the GOP as long as McCain, Graham, Boehner, et. al, are running the show.  Calvin Coolidge or bust. 

And when the country really starts going to the pooper, well, you may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas.

 

239 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 02, 2013 08:41 AM (4nopz)

Pray FOR not to contribute to their sin.

It's why most Christians won't vote for an abortion proponent. They could be the next thing to Jesus but if they approve of abortion then they AIN'T.

there's other qualifiers but I'm not going to go down the list.

Suffice it to say that to some, voting for an abortion approving (which Romney did) Mormon (which he is) was a bit too far to stretch for what seems to be the inevitable WRATH OF GOD being wreaked upon this nation in the form of a crypto muslim marxist.

Like I said, I'm not their spokesman, I've just hung out with enough and believe some of what they believe and heard all the sermons so I think I have a feel for how they think.

240 Huckabee is just another poser.
He represents the Huckabee Wallet Foundation and nothing else.
Just another asshole with an angle to exploit.

241 You stated the problem already. But you left out who hosted all those stupid non-debates. AND they are going to do it AGAIN. Fuck them. if they do not change the primary system this time they can kiss my ass. Posted by: Vic at April 02, 2013 08:43 AM (53z96)

Vic, it sounds like you think the rules were bent to favor Romney.  So your solution is to bend the rules to favor "your guy,"  whoever your guy might be in any given year.  

I just don't think this is nefarious.  Everyone knows the rules going in, and what it will take to compete.  If they can't compete then that's a knock on them, not on the guy who figured it out.

For the record, I wasn't a Romney guy.

242 OT

If this has already been posted, I apologize, but look at Drudge right now.  CT wants to say who can buy ammo or not. 

No eligibility certificate for ammo purchases?  No ammo for you!

243 Huckabee is just another poser.
He represents the Huckabee Wallet Foundation and nothing else.

This, this, a million times this.

244 So then you're saying the the Republican base is susceptible to the "it's my turn" approach? That sort of undermines the argument that we pick the wrong guy if it's the base picking that guy. Early primaries are in moderate areas. Primary season is all about momentum. We'd have very different candidates if Texas went first. Plus the conservative vote was split and didn't unify quickly enough. The field was weak, that is true. But that applies to Mitt as well.

245 I understand that having a candidate to vote "for" instead of an opponent to vote "against" is a more powerful incentive. But I still believe that not showing up to vote, especially after seeing the last four years,  is due to either pure laziness or a personal apathetic malaise.

So I would conclude, the American voter largely likes the way things are going. That includes those who sat home and didn't vote because the latest episode of Survivor was on or they got a new Xbox.

246

"And when the country really starts going to the pooper, well, you may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas."

 

As are we. (DRUMROOOLLLL)

After nearly four hundred years here in the Commonwealth, I'm looking to move the family to Texas in about two years. A bit sad, that, but hey, my ancestors on both sides undertook a far more dangerous move.

247 And when the country really starts going to the pooper, well, you may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas.

Posted by: RLTW at April 02, 2013 08:52 AM (zA0eu)

 

 

--- Thank you Davy, and come on down

248 On the brighter side of the news, the Norks are restarting their Yongbyon plutonium reactor. Celebrate diversity!

249 The primaries are where the base comes out. If they vote for the "moderate" then that's who they want.

Unless the primaries are frontloaded with Left states or, worse, states that let Democrats vote in GOP primaries.

If that's the case, the base out in flyoverland gets left with the "choice" of guys whose votes don't matter in the Electoral College and/or actual Democrats. Well, that "choice" or Ron Paul.

250 The American electorate who voted for Obama has NO CLUE what's coming down the pike.

251

"The field was weak, that is true"

Weak? That's putting it mildly.

252 Morning all. Looks to be a shitty day for me

253 Early primaries are in moderate areas. Primary season is all about momentum.

We'd have very different candidates if Texas went first.

Plus the conservative vote was split and didn't unify quickly enough. The field was weak, that is true. But that applies to Mitt as well.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 02, 2013 08:56 AM (g2ldK)

I'll keep banging this shit until everybody's so fucking sick of hearing it that they do it just to shut me the fuck up:  The primary season needs to be shortened and Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina need to be told to get the fuck back to the end of the line.

254 Fine and you know they will treat Texas like Honduras, in the first year of this administration, or for another reference, the way Santa Ana did.

255 The Huckabees are making a play for power. The Steve Schmidts are making a play to shove out them dirty socons and go full on Democrat-- also a play for power. Both these assholes are losers for the party.

256 Morning all. Looks to be a shitty day for me


All root canal day?

257 CT wants to say who can buy ammo or not.

But bipartisan!

258

Open primaries should be abolished. If you want to decide the Republican candidate, you out to be registered R. Back to lurking...

259 Sorry to hear that, Nevergiveup, but don't give up now.

260 The problem with the primary, especially where the GOP is concerned, is that the first two states are Iowa and New Hampshire, not exactly representative of the GOP national base. If we're going to allow our slate of candiadtes to be determined by left leaning states, can't we just skip the all bullshit and let us New Yorkers go first?

261

#255,

On the plus side, they may damage each other so badly that they're even more irrelevant in the future...

262 Let's not motivate people to vote. And you know what let's sit home and protest.

As a matter of fact, lets put ghey marriage and illegal immigration on the platform. Yeah, that will get us some votes!

Hooray for stupidity!

This is suppose to be the smart party. Yet you have that ignorant shrimp Priebus throwing stuff at the wall and walking with his finger in the wind. He wouldn't know a principle if he stepped in it and it stuck to his shoe.

263 North Korea to restart an old Nuclear Reactor that it was suppose to destroy????? Yeah great agreements we make with them. We are saps and we get what we deserve.

264

"Yer beautiful in yer wrath!"

 

 

 

I challenge the Moron Horde to incorporate that sentence into a workplace setting sometime this week.  Report back later in the week.  Bonus points if delivered a la the Duke.

265 Any of my comments about Christians is in answer to the question of why any of them would stay out of the election.

I am addressing my reasoning to what they probably thought were good reason to stay out.

And refuting Gabe's claim that Christians flocked to the polls to vote for Romney. There were plenty that didn't and for some of the reasons I've posited.

And BTW, GABE? Don't fall into the State Media trap and use there labels; there are plenty of Christians that don't call themselves evangelicals. That's one dispute I have about Huckabee.

He's a glib back country tent type circuit preacher who may have been inspired by God but had to keep an eye on the collection plate because that's where his next meal is coming from.

Not to be fully trusted about certain things.

266 if they do not change the primary system this time they can kiss my ass. When you say "they"... you know that the state legislatures set the primary system for each state. And the state party chairs vote, when the RNC gets together, on the system they want. Iowa will have its caucus whether the RNC wants it or not. Florida will jump to the front of the line whether the RNC wants it or not. Now, the RNC has tried to stop that and limit the influence of the state parties to do this. But that runs into some problems. First, people scream their little heads off about the "Beltway Establishment" RNC trying to override the state parties. Second, even when the RNC does issue sanctions, they haven't made a difference to the outcome yet. For example, this last time, Florida got docked half it's convention delegates. The difference wouldn't have changed the outcome; Romney would have been a lock by that point whether the sanction had been in place or not or even if the sanction had been to ban all of Florida's delegates. So, I know you're mad and "they" can kiss your ass. But the people you're mad at...

267 We can shorten the primary season, but we'll probably never shorten the campaign season. There will always be a perceived advantage in getting an early start. The primaries in Feb and March would be good. Every week for 8 weeks, a group of states vote.

268 Look, the Dims have finally perfected vote fraud in all the key electoral states.  They can confidently manufacture 110% of the registered votes in precinct after precinct in the big cities, which then offsets suburb and rural votes.  It is the Chicago way and they used it superbly this last election and what happened?  Nada, zilch, zero, nothing.  No one challenges this chicanery, so they just get bolder and bolder.  Even the most perfect candidate cannot win a fraudulent election.

269

"I truly believe if America had an honest and impartial press the Democrat Party would cease to exist."

 

Another blogger who I respect said that if we had a neutral media and that if people had any understanding of what liberalism stood for, liberalism would amount to a  fringe 5% or so of the electorate, with about as big a share in the political arena as Libertarians have. (No diss of Libertarians intended)

270 How about we stop trying to attract undecideds?  Undecideds are brainless emo girls.  They operate on emotion.  By the way, I condemn any evangelicals who stayed home on election day because Romney wasn't pure enough for them.  They deserve Obama.  Unfortunately, the rest of us get him too.  Thanks for nothing.

271 You have Fox News and conservative AM talk radio, both of which absolutely dominate their respective markets. Not to mention a sea of right-wing blogs, like this one. You don't have a "media problem" or a "messaging problem ". The message is out there, and people are free to listen to it, through any medium they wish to use. It's that more and more people are tuning out your message.

272 We won't win until the populace rejects the MFM

273

"Yet you have that ignorant shrimp Priebus throwing stuff at the wall and walking with his finger in the wind. He wouldn't know a principle if he stepped in it and it stuck to his shoe."

Perfect!

 

"Now, the RNC has tried to stop that and limit the influence of the state parties to do this."

No Gabe, they haven't. The RNC has waffled, muttered, and blabberd a bit, but haven't found their big boy pants. The DNC does it, and frankly the RNC used to do it (exercise political power, that is). Today, the RNC joins Bohner in the corner, wetting themselves...

274 I've been making this point about the alleged 2012 Turnout problem for a while now. There was no drop in turnout, certainly not anything remotely significant. I looked at states like Virginia and Florida, and in BOTH states Romney improved on the vote totals Bush got in 2004. The only turnout problem the GOP has or had, is that too many moochers turned out for Obama. Oh, and women, and gays, and people with sympathy for women and gays, what with the manufactured Romney war against abortion and gay rights. Thanks mainstream media!

275 >"The field was weak, that is true"<

Bullshit.

People largely got the candidates they wanted.

People who were interested, voted in the primaries.

People ended up with a Party candidate a majority voted for.

We call that a democratic process.

The choices were, what they were. People knew what the alternative was. They knew every vote in the General would make a difference.

Yet some stayed home and pouted.

Others are still talking about how weak the field was.

Suck it up and drive on. Maybe next time, get off your ass and get involved or vote.

I am a little sick of the mamby pamby baby complaints and excuses.

276 And if nobody challenges the voter fraud the Republicans will never win another election.

277

Posted by: James at April 02, 2013 09:05 AM (FtL05)

 

Considering the 2010 blowout, I'd say you guys have a cult of personality problem. Good luck winning elections without chocolate Jesus on the top of the ticket.

278 The other thing about Mitt's loss is why did he change tactics midstream.  During the primaries, he went after his opponents like they were the Anti-Christ, but, then during the general election, he refused to engage obama on any of his failings.

279 Good googly moogly. Reading the comments about Obamacare on Yahoo. I am now dumber than I was a couple of minutes ago.

280

Yes, James, "The message is out there" - that the GOP is a whimpering, simpering mess of would be fools. No wonder said message is rejected. Now if you wish to discuss the acceptance of content, then that's another story...

281 And the primaries were too long. It gave idiots like Santorum too much leeway to try and create clusterfucks.

282 132 The perception of the Republicans among LIVs is that they are accommodationist and do not present a unified front, and certainly don't fight for what they believe in. And it's true. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What?!!?! By definition, "low information voters" have never even entertained a thought about Republicans being "accomodating". The media storyline on the GOP is that they are too inflexible, as reflected in a poll just yesterday. Low information voters don't even know what the GOP stands for, all they know is what the media TELLS them the GOP stands for. Unless and until conservatives find a way to combat the liberal bias of the mainstream media, the "information war" is all but over.

283 Improve messaging? How about teaching these idiots how to answer or not answer gotcha questions on abortion?

284

Let's look at the actual state by state primary returns.

 

Up until April 2012, the only states in which Romney won a majority were Massachusetts (a state no GOP candidate would have a prayer of carrying in the general) and Virginia (where it was only Romney and Paul on the ballot).  The other states he won:

 

New Hampshire, 39%

Florida, 47%

Arizona, 47%

Michigan, 41%

Ohio, 38% (with Santorum at 37%...)

Vermont, 40%

Illinois, 47%

 

So Romney was winning pluralities but not majorities.  However, thanks to GOP delegate rules, he was winning the lions share of delegates to that point.  Come April, the writing was on the wall.  Plus, by that time there were very big states (New York, California, Texas) who voted in majorities for Romney...but mainly because at that time Romney was mainly running against Ron Paul.

 

So looking at a 52% primary vote total is misleading.  It is as someone else said...the opposition was fractured between two different candidates and neither could really get that faction unified.

285 We can shorten the primary season, but we'll probably never shorten the campaign season. There will always be a perceived advantage in getting an early start. The primaries in Feb and March would be good. Every week for 8 weeks, a group of states vote.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2013 09:03 AM (ZshNr)

The longer the campaign season the more money it takes to run one.  Romney had an extremely well financed organization that gave him a clear advantage over everybody.  Also Romney, for all his flaws, was and is an excellent executive so he had more experience at running things other than his mouth which gave him an advantage over Noot for example.  I'm not saying that Gingrich would have made a very good President; just using him as an example of how the long campaigns keep potentially good candidates out and increase the influence of people like Rove who are good at separating the swells from their money and backing candidates with it.

I also think that the GOP has a much better bench of candidates for 2016 than 2012, which was a perfect storm of shit where nobody good came to mind.

286 No Gabe, they haven't. The RNC has waffled, muttered, and blabberd a bit, but haven't found their big boy pants. The DNC does it, and frankly the RNC used to do it (exercise political power, that is). Today, the RNC joins Bohner in the corner, wetting themselves... This is internet tough-guy talk. It bears no relation to reality, but I bet it feels good.

287 277 Fair point. But Libs have taken 4 out of the last 6 Presidential elections though, and won the popular vote on one that they lost electorally, so "we" aren't too worried.

288

Suck it up and drive on. Maybe next time, get off your ass and get involved or vote.

 

I dunno. It would be nice to get a chance to vote in a primary when there are people I actually want to vote for still in the race. In  2008 I had a choice between Romney and McCain, in  2012 Romney had pretty much won by the time I got to vote.

289

"And when the country really starts going to the pooper, well, you may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas."

 

As are we. (DRUMROOOLLLL)
After nearly four hundred years here in the Commonwealth, I'm looking to move the family to Texas in about two years. A bit sad, that, but hey, my ancestors on both sides undertook a far more dangerous move.

 

Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 08:56 AM (lbiWb)

 

If they let you leave.  If TS really did HTF, I could imagine Massachusetts setting the staties at the border to either send you back at gunpoint or confiscate everything up to and including  your car as "compensation" for the loss of your tax revenue.

290 All root canal day? Posted by: EC at April 02, 2013 08:59 AM (GQ8sn) I don't mind doing Root Canals. I like to mix and match what i do, so it is NOT the same thing all day. Although if it were Implants all day, I'd be mucho rich but that's another story. No the shitty part is that we sold my Mom's Apartment ( good thing) but the closing is tomorrow and I still have to move some shit out before then.

291 Trolls, 2010, explain

292 If the foo shits. Lego will reportedly cease production of a popular ¡°Star Wars¡± toy set after Muslim communities complained about the product. It depicts Muslims as terrorists.¡± http://tinyurl.com/bqrrr6r

293

"Oh, and women, and gays, and people with sympathy for women and gays, what with the manufactured Romney war against abortion and gay rights."

When you don't strike first, you're reduced to reacting to your opponent - which was (seemingly) the major thrust of his campaign.

 

"During the primaries, he went after his opponents like they were the Anti-Christ, "

THANK YOU for pointing out what I thought was obvious - the reason Mitt took the primaries was that he "went in swinging". Did many here suddenly forget his primary performances? Geesh.

Certainly went soft later, though. Bleh.

294 The point needs to be said:

Did Romney throw the election?

His own son says he didn't act like he wanted to win.

He threw away chances and was surprised when he did do something that worked.

He hired incompetents and didn't supervise them.

His GOTV effort could've been the final straw.

His well touted management skill was not so evident except in the primaries as he zealously knocked down all the other contenders.

Where did some the dirt thrown come from? or Who?

295 234 Still think there are some policy/platform issues that need work and that hurt Republicans. However, I agree with the overall point here. We did not lose by that much this past November. If we had better turnout from our "base" Romney would have won. Posted by: RM at April 02, 2013 08:50 AM (/Frlf) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Complete and utter horse shit. Again, for the millionth time, there was no "turnout" problem. Romney turned out voters at the same rate as Bush and in swing states that he last, even MORE than Bush.

296

"This is internet tough-guy talk"

I've been an RNC Delegate here in VA.

#289 - it's the Commonwealth of Virginia.

297 <<<<271 You have Fox News and conservative AM talk radio, both of which absolutely dominate their respective markets. Not to mention a sea of right-wing blogs, like this one. You don't have a "media problem" or a "messaging problem ". The message is out there, and people are free to listen to it, through any medium they wish to use. It's that more and more people are tuning out your message. Posted by: James at April 02, 2013 09:05 AM (FtL05)>>>> I agree with the libtard. There is a bigger market for Free Shit than there is for Work Hard and Provide for Yourself. The good news is that I'll survive the Burning Times and still enjoy a high quality of living while I piss in your dead eyes, James. So I've got that going for me, which is nice.

298 81BTW another stupid thing the GOP does wrong is try to distance itself from its extremists. Did you see Democrats due that shit during the Bush years? 

Posted by: Mr. Pink aka a man without a political party at April 02, 2013 07:46 AM (++kZl)

 

Crazy Cindy Sheehan.  What ever happened to that pile of nuts?  She claimed to have boned Chavez before he went to the eternal sulphur pits.  Funny he always claimed to keep smelling sulphur at the UN.

299 There are more FSA than taxpayers. We will lose until there are more tax payers voting than FSA.

300 Posted by: Gabriel Malor at April 02, 2013 09:10 AM (ZbSTK)

And you, wearing your rose colored glasses, acting like a Pollyana are all ready to claim that all that has to be done is just compromise just a little more on just a few measly issues and we can win again is any better than internet tough guy talk?

301 And I am a little sick of the "low information voter" bullshit.

You have a responsibility to vote. But that includes being informed.

You don't vote for a commercial or some shit you heard from your neighbor.

You don't jump off the cliff with other lemmings then say you "didn't know" there was a cliff there.

Take a half hour away from the boob tube or stop surfing the net and read on the issues.

Voting takes some effort. If you can't spend the time it takes to get yourself informed, don't bother.

I've met a lot of seniors in NY who told me they always voted Democrat. That's why they voted for Obama. They though all the "facts" about healthcare were the same old politics.

Now they are devastated by what's going on with their healthcare. Their budgets are getting blown out of the water and they are struggling to live.

Now they are asking what can be done? Well, nothing. You chose badly and stupidly. Maybe next time- vote for the other guy.

302 291 There was an inspired movement on the right in 2010 to "take back" the government from "them". Inspired, grassroots movements can make a flash-in-the-pan impact on a midterm election, but the passion fades pretty quickly. Mitt Romney...not too inspiring 2 years later.

303 265 And refuting Gabe's claim that Christians flocked to the polls to vote for Romney. There were plenty that didn't and for some of the reasons I've posited. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 02, 2013 09:02 AM (Kpn/z) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So, actual data be damned ? Is that it ? You just FEEL that Christians stayed home despite the fact that the data says otherwise ? That's about as compelling an argument as the case for Global Warming. I can FEEL that its warmer, so it must be true. Good lord. Repeat after me, THERE.WAS.NO.TURNOUT.PROBLEM

304 297 Wow EOJ, you're feisty this morning. If you piss in my eyes, can Obama blow his load in your ass? Since his dick has been firmly implanted in it since 2008?

305 Gabe, You know that saying, there lies, damn lies, and then statistics. The problem I have is there's a poll to show everything. You say evangelicals showed in greater numbers. What about that gallup poll shortly before the election where 18 percent (supposedly representative of the country) said they would never vote for a Mormon? I know a few of these evangelicals personally. And wasn't Joseph Farah a famous one? He's a rabid anti-Mormon and has been known to make similar comments regarding Romney. What we know for sure is 3 million fewer people voted for the GOP ticket this time right? So if it wasn't the evangelicals that didn't vote, who was it? Not saying Romney lost because he's Mormon, but I think it played a significant part. I also personally think this impact was most significant among evangelical seniors... which are in greater numbers in places like FL.

306

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at April 02, 2013 09:10 AM (ZbSTK)

 

 

Gabe my history's a bit rusty on this, but IIRC, they always fold on the "docking the delegates" thing.

They start out with "you won't be seated" and then they wait a while and when its clear it doesn't matter much (due to other primaries) they say "we'll go ahead and seat you now."

So they aren't exactly sticking to principles.

 

What we do have is solid evidence that Iowa skews the primary system. Candidates have repeatedly made out of Iowa and never make it to even the middle of the primary season.  This elongates the primary season.

Iowa (thanks to a lot of things, including corn subsidies) is not representative of the US.

And that doesn't even begin to take into account things like the Chaos that happened in MO where our Governor veto the bill that would have moved our primary forcing the state party to choose between either a) ignoring the outcome or b) being docked delegates for something that wasn't even our fault. (State law dictates when the primaries are held, here, unless they're moved by more state law.)

 

So what we've got is at best an inconsistent system that needs to be overhauled and the RNC shows no real impetus to do that, so we keep going with the same (quite obviously) broken system.

 

IMHO at the very least we should be moving towards a more regional system, with batches of primaries (not caucuses, primaries.)  The RNC should have the power to make that happen but it will require muscle (and pissing people off).

307 I read a debunking of the story about The Conqueror a while back. It was written by John Stossel or somebody else with very good credentials. It turned out that the soil actually had very little background radiation. There was nowhere near enough to cause so many cases of cancer. But there was one thing common to the actors in the movie who later died from cancer. They all smoked. And almost all of them were heavy smokers. John Wayne was smoking three packs a day during shooting. The article I read made a very persuasive argument that is was smoking, not nuclear tests, that plagued the cast and crew of The Conqueror.

308 Saying Fox News/radio/blogs makes it even is like the panel shows that say they're balanced with four liberals vs. one conservative.

309 297 ...The good news is that I'll survive the Burning Times and still enjoy a high quality of living while I piss in your dead eyes, James.

So I've got that going for me, which is nice.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 02, 2013 09:15 AM (u6Ixe)

The Free Shit People will be begging or stealing in $200 sneakers to eat while the Hard Work people defend their stuff with $900 handguns and $1300 rifles.

310 It's not a messaging problem. It's an electorate problem. We have an electorate who claims they want smaller government, but voted for the guy who has expanded government more than anyone else since LBJ, or perhaps FDR. They SAY they like the policies, but they don't like the outcomes of the policies, which is 'no more free shit'. They like their free shit. Even if it costs them more.

311 Looks like a repeat is needed

2004 election - 62M vs 59M R US pop 294M

2008 election - 69.5M vs 60M D US pop 304M

2012 election - 66M vs 61M D US pop 313M


If D turnout was as high in 2004 as it was in 2008 and 2012 Bush would have lost.

312 >I dunno. It would be nice to get a chance to vote ina primary when there are people I actually want to vote for still in the race. In 2008 I had a choice between Romney and McCain, in 2012 Romney had pretty much won by the time I got to vote.<

The choices are what they are at that point. No matter how that point is adjusted in the future, one makes the best choice they can.

You vote for the candidate who has the best chance to beat the opposition. That's a goal most folks lose in all the primary balkinization.

If you don't vote in the general- you've chosen. The choice you've made is the opposition is better than your parties alternative.

313 So Gabe, what you're saying is that the fault for Romney's loss is with the FisCons and libertarians, then?

314

Okay, I compiled the results of the first 100 comments on this thread-  Here are the reasons Romney lost:

 

Evangelicals

OH, VA, FL

bad messaging

Huckabee

God

GOP establishment

Social conservatives

Coverup by the MSM

Liberal media controlling the message

The women vote

Lack of appeal to young, women and Hispanics

People who want to be lied to

Moderate VP candidates

Conservative media alienating single women

Democrat setting up straw men

Squishy RINO presidential candidates

Democrat voters internalized lies

Democrat nominees "daddy issues" appeal to women

Voter fraud in key precincts

Racial guilt/shaming voters

Media in collaboration with LIV's

Black and Hispanic vote

Failure to use social media

Pandering to Lady Gaga fans

Abortion moms

Not embracing extremists within the party

Karl Rove

Lack of a more conservative candidate

 

 

 

Just sayin'

315 So I see you're not just the president of the Gay Marriage Club for Men, James. You're also a customer. Little of what Obama does impacts me personally. I and all my money are gone. But we'll be back to pick up the pieces at fire sale prices. Believe that, my Sodomy Aficionado friend.

316 You guys can keep saying "free shit army" etc all you want if it makes you feel better, but most people just voted for Obama because Mitt Romney didn't strike them as a better President. It's really as simple as that, but by all means, continue alienating virtually everyone. And it's a pretty thin veil you wear...by "free shit army" everyone knows you mean "black people". But black people don't make up a majority of the electorate, so...just do some fucking math.

317 Personally, I think that Romney lost because too many people voted for Obama and not enough for him.

318 271 You have Fox News and conservative AM talk radio, both of which absolutely dominate their respective markets. Not to mention a sea of right-wing blogs, like this one. You don't have a "media problem" or a "messaging problem ". The message is out there, and people are free to listen to it, through any medium they wish to use. It's that more and more people are tuning out your message. Posted by: James at April 02, 2013 09:05 AM (FtL05) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh, Fucking PLEASE. Nevermind that there is a continuous liberal war on Rush and Fox News portraying them as eveil pawns of conservatives. Nevermind that liberal opinion is DAILY presented as "fact" on the nightly news and in every major newspaper in America. Do you agree or disagree that there were voters that voted Obama to fight against the Romney war on women, abortion, and gay rights ? I know a NUMBER of people who voted exactly for Obama for EXACTLY that reason. And where do you think that ridiculous idea was born and fostered ? It certainly wasn't with a pro-choice and pro-gay rights GOP candidate, which Romney ostensibly was.

319 And it's a pretty thin veil you wear...by "free shit army" everyone knows you mean "black people".


Black people didn't make up the majority of the Occutards either.  That's what we mean by the "Free Shit Army".

320 Posted by: deadrody at April 02, 2013 09:20 AM (b2D8X)

WHAT actual data?

Gathered by WHOM?

Reported and promulgated by, again, WHOM?

They're guessing just as much as anyone else is.

Because exit polls and after election polls and any other tabulations of what voters with what party affiliation voted and what the supposed composition of the voting precinct is claimed to be are all based on at least one lie.

That lie is that people will always tell the truth to a an anonymous pollster. The other lie is that the pollster won't/didn't influence the pollee.

How many answers that are tabulated and spread about as gospel are actual bullshit handed out by a voter who doesn't want to be bothered and doesn't want to give some unknown party answers to questions that are none of their business.

But too many people are too polite or just like to fuck with pollsters and so they LIE and say whatever they think the pollster or the organization they claim they work for wants to hear.

321 I've met a lot of seniors in NY who told me they always voted Democrat. That's why they voted for Obama. They though all the "facts" about healthcare were the same old politics.

Now they are devastated by what's going on with their healthcare. Their budgets are getting blown out of the water and they are struggling to live.

Now they are asking what can be done? Well, nothing. You chose badly and stupidly. Maybe next time- vote for the other guy.

Posted by: Marcus at April 02, 2013 09:17 AM (xZ56R)

Democrats could be selling them into Solyent Green and they'd still vote Democrat

322 315 Dude, that's some junior-high level insults you're leveling. Nice work

323 Well, I'm rather amused by the trolls' bravado. Hey retards, thanks to Barky, my job is more secure and my income is increasing. If I wanted to immediately benefit myself, I'd have happily voted for Barky. Now I just sit back and prepare for the burning times. I'm fairly self-sufficient, and getting more so by the day. Every Obama voter I know is scared of guns and freaks out if they lose power for an hour. Good luck surviving. Politics is irrelevant to me, I'll be fine no matter who's in charge, your lame attempts at sowing despair fall on deaf ears here.

324 by "free shit army" everyone knows you mean "black people". Sandra Fluke. Try again.

325

And it's a pretty thin veil you wear...by "free shit army" everyone knows you mean "black people". But black people don't make up a majority of the electorate, so...just do some fucking math.

 

Racist. Why do you immediately think of black people as lazy?

326 But black people don't make up a majority of the electorate, so...just do some fucking math. Posted by: James at April 02, 2013 09:26 AM (FtL05) No, but when they vote for a Candidate with 95% of their vote it can and does warp the election results in some States. And it is totally an Un-Intellectual vote based predominantly on the Color of obama's skin.

327

Everybody give James a hand.....for that wonderfully brazen show of his deck of race cards.

328 316 You guys can keep saying "free shit army" etc all you want if it makes you feel better, but most people just voted for Obama because Mitt Romney didn't strike them as a better President. It's really as simple as that, but by all means, continue alienating virtually everyone. And it's a pretty thin veil you wear...by "free shit army" everyone knows you mean "black people". But black people don't make up a majority of the electorate, so...just do some fucking math. Posted by: James at April 02, 2013 09:26 AM (FtL05) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Uh, no, James, the "free shit army" is only 47% of the entire population, a SHITLOAD more than just "black people", you racist POS. Only a liberal can make something about race that isn't.

329 'Free Shit Army' also includes people who think ObamaCare is gonna be 'free,' and old people who just want they're stuff because fuck the grandkids. But if it's easier for you, James, go with the 'reduced to stupid' argument.

330 318 I agree with you, sure, I voted on abortion rights and gay rights. Just like many of you voted to strip those rights away from people. See, people are free to vote for whatever they want to. This is a place called "America"

331 they're = their

332 Aaaaaannnnd... RACIST! Thanks for playing, James.

333 And James takes the 'gays & abortion' spiel hook, line and sinker.

334 Posted by: James at April 02, 2013 09:26 AM (FtL05)






Oh Jimmy, you're so superior to us. Please enlighten us

335 But too many people are too polite or just like to fuck with pollsters and so they LIE and say whatever they think the pollster or the organization they claim they work for wants to hear. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 02, 2013 09:28 AM (Kpn/z) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Right. Your secret data says. Whatever. We heard that claim BEFORE the election. That nobody would say they would vote against the black president, but when alone in the booth they would. Yeah. Not so much, huh?

336

Hey kids, it's the thread killer here, with a coupla points before everyone leaves for the new post.  First, in my own personal experience not backed by science, the people most likely to be at fault for any fuckup are the ones spinning like a centrifuge to sling blame and mud elsewhere.  So look who is doing the most finger pointing and cock punch them first.

Secondly, the media problem, which will not be gone in 14 or 16 or as far out as I can imagine we still have a viable economy.  We (defined as not moonbat liberal) will not get fair coverage of issues or candidates as long as the media status quo remains.  That's just a fact.  And while what Akin and that goof from Indiana said were actuall egregious, what will be mocked and ridiculed will change for election to election, but the strategy will remain the same...  take your opponents stupidest statements, and make them the de facto policies of the entire party, and make the entire party either stand or fall on those stupied statements.  Granted, this only works in one direction, as the major media is so overwhelmingly liberal, but the point is not to only point fingers at the likes of Akin et al, but to find a way around the strategy of painting all conservatives with the words that show us in the worst possible light.  Maquaqua, anyone?

337

#314,   "Just sayin'"

Looks just like a list of "Things caused by Global Warming".

 

Heh.

338 Posted by:Seamus Muldoon at April 02, 2013 09:25 AM (pxDth)

Show your methodology and the way you weighted the key words in the comments and what key words did you disregard.

339 Another internet genius. We don't get those Black People votes now and probably never will. They aren't even a majority of the Free Shit Army.

340

So James likes to kill the unborn....aren't we a big man, picking on the weakest and less-able to defend themselves crowd. 

Where in the Constitution, does it say we have the right to slaughter the innocent, Jimbo?

 

341

See, people are free to vote for whatever they want to.

 

Funny, I thought we had a Bill of Rights designed to prevent people from voting "for whatever they wanted to"...

 

This is a place called "America"

 

For the nonce. In a few years, though, who knows?

342 Good for you James, you succeeded in keeping Tampons on the shelves but now your only hope of employment is trolling conservative blogs. Bright future you've got there.

343 Interesting how 'free shit army' = 'black people' in James' mind, isn't it?

344 300Posted by: Gabriel Malor at April 02, 2013 09:10 AM (ZbSTK) And you, wearing your rose colored glasses, acting like a Pollyana are all ready to claim that all that has to be done is just compromise just a little more on just a few measly issues and we can win again is any better than internet tough guy talk? It's like you didn't even bother read what I wrote. I haz a sad for you.

345 And it's a pretty thin veil you wear...by "free shit army" everyone knows you mean "black people". But black people don't make up a majority of the electorate, so...just do some fucking math.

Posted by: James at April 02, 2013 09:26 AM (FtL05)

Fuck.  We've got a real genius codebreaker here.

346 187 Start telling them the truth. Don't be jerks about it (that means muzzling the ones who have mommy/wife issues), and tell them the truth. Abortion and free contraceptives -- what will that get them? What has it gotten them? They get treated like a piece of meat by men who are worthless, pumped full of STDs, left single moms (or women made sterile by cheap abortions), bitter, alone, full of regret.You could even get some minorities over with the abortion line -- what is it but a eugenics program? Workforce equality? What has that really gotten women? or minorities? They are still in the same jobs they were before -- just with delusions having having more just out of reach, more and more people getting sick and tired of their complaining? All they have become are vote cattle and the lowest rung on the consumer society food chain -- they've been played for fools; this would work on the "citizens of Fishtown" that everyone likes to talk about here. But this means that there will have to be a side that wants to get everyone out of this mess -- give them some reason to hope that they will be treated fairly and their problems will be worked on honestly -- no pseudo-hippie dippy bs which Republicans are far too happy to engage in. Republicans are far too happy to go along with the beautiful people status quo themselves -- evidence: Mitt Romney (come on, he was not what you told yourselves he was, and he lost -- which if you'd told the truth to yourselves, you knew it would happen). Tell then the truth; more importantly tell the truth to yourselves, and if nobody wants to hear it, then yours is a lost cause anyway -- we all go down together. Everyone will find out the hard way.

347 Well, I see the hoard is up to its usual nonsense. 

I like the Black democrat that was going to be a Republican in NYC to run for mayor.

You can not make this shit up. Why he was arrested is strange to me.  Protecting the lesbo that is running?

348
And it's a pretty thin veil you wear...by "free shit army" everyone knows you mean "black people". But black people don't make up a majority of the electorate, so...just do some fucking math.

Nice little straw man you got there.

349

@ 316 - "You guys can keep saying "free shit army" etc all you want if it makes you feel better, but most people just voted for Obama because Mitt Romney didn't strike them as a better President. It's really as simple as that, but by all means, continue alienating virtually everyone. "

 

 

Yeah - they thought Obama was better because they're the FSA and he's the one handing out FS.  Simple really.

 

"And it's a pretty thin veil you wear...by "free shit army" everyone knows you mean "black people". But black people don't make up a majority of the electorate, so...just do some fucking math."

 

 

You are so stupid, you don't even realise when you've made a self-stultifying statement.  Since everybody already knows that blacks are a minority and can't elect a President on their own, it's obvious that when people refer to the FSA, they don't mean "blacks."  They really mean "people who want FS."

350 Posted by: deadrody at April 02, 2013 09:32 AM (b2D8X)

You don't have anymore provable "data" than I do chum.

If you do then post it or link it.

*waiting*

*waiting*

*waiting*

351

Now they are devastated by what's going on with their healthcare. Their budgets are getting blown out of the water and they are struggling to live.

Now they are asking what can be done? Well, nothing. You chose badly and stupidly. Maybe next time- vote for the other guy.

 

Won't happen.  If they couldn't be bothered to find out the truth about Obastardcare, they're not going to make the effort to find out why it's killing them.  They'll simply believe that Obama meant well.  Or that it's those evil Rethuglicans' fault.

 

Which is why I believe - even though a lot here don't - in "I told you so."  Always voted Democrat, never believed the GOP warnings?  Fuck you, choke on it and die.  Maybe you'll learn a lesson, but as far as I'm concerned now, it's time to take a nice, big bite of that shit sandwich you begged for, asshole.

352 Well folks, unlike most of you, I have a job I have to go to. Enjoy your choir preaching today, and pretending you all just have the utmost respect and compassion for all things black and gay. Not racist or homophobic at all around here, right guys? Right. I always know when I hit a nerve around here...multiple people yell back that they're not racist. HahahahahaFUCK YOU

353 A man supremely devoted to his wife and family, who never takes drugs, alcohol or even caffeine is eminently more "Value" oriented than a Marxist who takes vacations once a month, doesn't show up for work until 10:30AM and leaves before 3:00PM every day,  and shoots 2/22 in the one thing he's supposedly good at.

354 I agree with you, sure, I voted on abortion rights and gay rights. Just like many of you voted to strip those rights away from people. See, people are free to vote for whatever they want to. This is a place called "America"

Posted by: James at April 02, 2013 09:31 AM (FtL05)

You didn't vote against womyn in binders? Sexist pig! Little Jimmy living in his parent's basement how can't figure out why his degree in advanced leftist studies can't get a job but he's going to fight against the Man no matter what.

355 Looked like Preznint Brickyard McBrickerson needs to devote more time to roundball and golf...

356 Even the most perfect candidate cannot win a fraudulent election. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, FLLDFC Gangstette Wily Wench at April 02, 2013 09:03 AM (kXoT0) The lack of interest in pursuing, understanding and stopping voter fraud in many states/districts is an indication that none of our R "leaders" are the least bit serious about who wins or the integrity of elections (sort of like amnesty but closer to home).

357 The article I read made a very persuasive argument that is was smoking, not nuclear tests, that plagued the cast and crew of The Conqueror.

Posted by: Ed Anger at April 02, 2013 09:21 AM (tOkJB)

 

Interesting, Ed - I'll have to check that out.  Thanks!

358 Well folks, unlike most of you, I have a job I have to go to. Enjoy your choir preaching today, and pretending you all just have the utmost respect and compassion for all things black and gay. Not racist or homophobic at all around here, right guys? Right.

I always know when I hit a nerve around here...multiple people yell back that they're not racist. HahahahahaFUCK YOU

Posted by: James at April 02, 2013 09:40 AM (FtL05)

Run along now. That gloryhole isn't going to man itself

359

#351,

Do tell...

 

352, "Well folks, unlike most of you, I have a job I have to go to"

At this time in the AM? Some of us were up and working several hours ago, slacker.

360 The fact is that abortion is a non-issue for 98% of voters-- other than the hysteria of OMG-COAT HANGERS!!!, but 98% of voters will never want or need one. It's a sham issue, one that's just part of the 'correct-thinking' portfolio. Like gay marriage. If .3% of Canadian marriages are Adam and Steve, it's not an electoral issue of significance, unless, again, it's a sham issue designed to conform the herd. As opposed to, say, doubling the national debt and the unemployment rate not budging down an inch during the Democrats hopey-changey administration. Which affects everyone, and they get a pass on it because of the media-hyped portfolio issues.

361

@ 330 - "See, people are free to vote for whatever they want to."

 

Actually, not.  There's a thing called "the Constitution" that restrains even "the people."

362 Yes, James. Republicans hate Teh Blackses! Because Condoleeza Rice, Thomas Sowell, Herman Cain, Dr. Ben Carson and Allen West are so unpopular in conservative circles. Say, would you mind splitting that pile of atoms over there with your mind before you leave? Fucking genius.

363 If we are going over the election, let's not forget what a lot of people at HQ said a year ago.

We are not ready for a Mormon to be president.

Sorry, just the facts.

364 James-- Just cause you like black cock up your butt, it doesn't make you 'enlightened.'

365 These vermont numbers are incredible, the same crappy HDHP I have now, where my employer contributes very little to the premium would actually cost more in their "affordable" exchange. Note to morons, don't choose the HDHP if you know you are having a kid soon... my checkbook will be awash in blood in the next week or so.

366 It's like you didn't even bother read what I wrote. I haz a sad for you. Gabriel Malor at April 02, 2013 09:34 AM (ZbSTK)

Whenever I hear someone start in on the "messaging is the problem" the answer eventually winds up being to actually change the position.

Seen it too many times. Good for you if that's as far as you actually want to go. I'll wait to see more.

But even then, changing the messaging won't do diddly squat if the medium has been hijacked. So what's the point of acting like as if it can? (that's where the rose glasses and Pollyanna come in).

367 I always know when I hit a nerve around here...multiple people yell back that they're not racist. HahahahahaFUCK YOU

Posted by: James at April 02, 2013 09:40 AM (FtL05)

Keep telling yourself that you're the smart one; assuming the other voices in your empty head don't drown it out.

368 Just cause you like black cock up your butt, it doesn't make you 'enlightened.'

Posted by: zsasz at April 02, 2013 09:43 AM (MMC8r)

LOL! 

369 And it's a pretty thin veil you wear...by "free shit army" everyone knows you mean "black people". But black people don't make up a majority of the electorate, so...just do some fucking math. Posted by: James at April 02, 2013 09:26 AM (FtL05) Funny you think that considering there are more white people getting free shit than black people. What is it about you liberals that automatically makes you think of blacks as being dependent on government. Oh that's right. It's because of your racist roots. Scratch a liberal, find a racist, eugenicist, jew-hater.

370 What we know for sure is 3 million fewer people voted for the GOP ticket this time right? So if it wasn't the evangelicals that didn't vote, who was it? Not saying Romney lost because he's Mormon, but I think it played a significant part. NO. No, no, no, and this is a huge problem. The numbers aren't difficult, they're public, and they're absolutely not what you think they are. One million more people voted for Romney than voted for McCain. Three and a half million fewer people voted for Obama 2012 than for Obama 2008. I don't know where you're getting your "3 milion fewer people" number, but it's completely wrong. As I said before, if we cannot properly identify the problem we cannot solve the problem. Believing in the myth of low evangelical turnout is a failure to identify the problem. I can't believe that even in the face of numbers -- actual data -- so many of you are clinging to the myth because you have a "feeling" that it's right. The technical term for that feeling you're having is "observer bias."

371 Remember when the Democrats tried to play the 'hyper-sexual black man wants to fuck dem wimmin' during the Clarence Thomas hearings? Neither does James.

372 Gabe, if you are still around, what is your take on the arrest of the Black State Senator trying to "fix" the mayor's election?

373 Please remember to sanitize the glory hole before putting your mouth to it James. More importantly, do the same when you've finished, have a little compassion for your relief.

374

"Interesting, Ed - I'll have to check that out. Thanks!"

FWIW, I'm fairly certain that the claim of "OMG Cancer from fallout" came from that well known medical journal known as "People Magazine" circa 1980 or so. Took about five minutes for someone to point out their numbers were bogus...

375 And any black people you don't hate just prove you hate black people. /James

376 Little Jimmy: I vote for abortion, gays, 8% unemployment, 0.4% GDP, a weaker military and a government that trods all over our real rights. I'm so enlightened!

377 <<<<367 I always know when I hit a nerve around here...multiple people yell back that they're not racist. HahahahahaFUCK YOU Posted by: James at April 02, 2013 09:40 AM (FtL05) Keep telling yourself that you're the smart one; assuming the other voices in your empty head don't drown it out. Posted by: Captain Hate at April 02, 2013 09:44 AM (ahT6Z)>>>> Even James doesn't believe he got any decent trolling done today. Look at how fucking sad and desperate that was. He actually thinks calling conservatives racists is new or "hits a nerve." The only people deathly afraid of being thought of as racists are libtards. Fucking AMATEUR, Cap'n.

378 Gabe, if you are still around, what is your take on the arrest of the Black State Senator trying to "fix" the mayor's election? I have no idea what you're talking about.

379

"Believing in the myth of low evangelical turnout is a failure to identify the problem. "

Seems the only ones even caring about "low evangelical turnout" are Huckabee and you. Most here seem to be concerned as to how we can attract a candidate/slate of candidates willing and eager to engage in the political conflicts.

380 @378

You don't read the NY Slime?  I would think the Post would have it too.  Read this shit, wild!


http://tinyurl.com/buogfnw

381 Story is up on news dump.

382

I especially like how little Jimmy thinks his deft equating of FSA to black people led to everyone here proclaiming they're not racist. Brush up on that reading comprehension Jimbo, nobody here was claiming they aren't racist, everyone is just pointing out that you clearly are.

383 Fucking AMATEUR, Cap'n.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 02, 2013 09:48 AM (u6Ixe)

When erg Ebert turned his crusty jizz laden hands to movie reviewing, it was a sad day for trolldom.  I don't think the fucking retards have recovered from that meteor money shot.

384 It's telling, I think, that these people live in a world where they think they will not be caught for doing the most obvious of crimes.

385 His GOTV effort could've been the final straw.
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It was the final straw for me. Fucking back bay fucking retards they are.

386

Being a Christian and very active in my church. I don't know of anyone who stayed home because Romney is a Mormon. Nobody I spoke with was exactly thrilled with him but for reasons other than his faith. Mainly that he was a RINO squish. But the morons running the RNC need a scapegoat. They are also dumb enough to believe it's a "messaging issue". It's not. It's actually picking candidates that actually adhere to the platform but actually govern like a conservative instead of sounding like one only when convenient.

387 Oh and BTW. $ 45 per month for a family of four? Yea, Sure.it is.

388 Even James doesn't believe he got any decent trolling done today. Look at how fucking sad and desperate that was. He actually thinks calling conservatives racists is new or "hits a nerve."

The only people deathly afraid of being thought of as racists are libtards.

Fucking AMATEUR, Cap'n.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 02, 2013 09:48 AM (u6Ixe)

 

I like your "tone."

389

"Evangelicals had a larger share of the vote in 2012 than ever before."

 

So the brain [drain] trust running the GOP into the ground comes to the inevitable conclusion that we need to kick social conservatives to the curb. Which will lead them with an army of officers, most of them stupid.

 

I mean, to an extent the socon problem is obviously self-inflicted: when you keep showing up like a kicked dog regardless, you are signalling you can be taken for granted. Sit on your hands for a cycle, and the big brains will change their tune.

390 So the brain [drain] trust running the GOP into the ground comes to the inevitable conclusion that we need to kick social conservatives to the curb Who's kicking socons to the curb? The party is as pro-life as ever. Almost all GOP politicians are as pro-traditional marriage as ever, including the RNC chairman. That Priebus said that he didn't believe Sen. Portman should be drummed out of the party is taken to mean he wants to "kick social conservatives to the curb" is pathetic hysteria. Tiresome victimology is tiresome.

391 The GOP needs to do a better job selling weakness, phoniness, and stupidity. Winning!

392 Gabe, the 3 million reference comes from Rush. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/11/08/why_did_three_million_republicans_stay_home

393 >The US is not synonymous with the Kingdom of God. >>212. Agreed. The kingdom of god is within each person, recognized or not. Our purpose is to augment that light within of love on earth, shared not stifled. The LORD told his "chosen" Hebrews to abide as a confederation of related tribes WITHOUT a king. But they wouldn't take their LORD's advice, sending Samuel back to get the "right" answer from the LORD, the popular answer. So the LORD's Hebrew prophet Samuel sought a man who would be king, and found Saul who was annointed. And the rest is still repetitive history. For disobedience, The LORD Jehovah often cursed those he "chose" to bless and call his own. The old testament is filled with the plight of being chosen to obey and being cursed for disobedience. According to his prophets, on many occasions the LORD also commanded the destruction of his "chosen" people and nation (plural Judah/Israel), actually blessing the "enemies" to prevail. And there are the stories of repentance and the LORD forgiving, including Nineveh, see Jonah 3:10. Perhaps Isaiah 19:23-25 prophecies events of our time: In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrians will come into Egypt and the Egyptians into Assyria, and the Egyptians will worship with the Assyrians. In that day Israel will be the third party with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, whom the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.” As for recognizing the "Kingdom of God", after showing people to experience and appreciate the holy spirit within their hearts, lamenting that Jerusalem doomed itself to stone its prophets (Matt23:37), in response to the query whether Jesus were King of the Jews, Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this earth." Regarding being "chosen", after Jesus arose from the dead, he sent his apostles to share the Love of 'God With Us' for all people regardless of region or ethnicity, having taught through life "the chosen". "Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds." And remember, Jesus' apostles, disciples and missionaries traveled the world, converting congregations through Jesus' Love in vast regions of Europe, Asia Minor, the entire Arabian Peninsula, North Africa and those in India -- without the "aid" of Constantine and the Roman Empire maintained via military conquest. Jesus taught us to pray to our "Father in Heaven" (infinity) with thanks and to ask forgiveness conditional on our own infinite acts of forgiveness for our enemies. Subsequent to evangelizing Christ, the Emperor Constantine gave precedence for another militant usurper to force "conversion", Muhammad with his Qur'an and warlords, to compete for territorial conquest using the sword and religious propaganda to terrorize and "own" the souls of men. Such a shame, the loss of love and loss of faith in forgiveness. Muslims gained converts through descendents of former Christian populations, and of former Hindi, Buddhists and Zoroastrians. Vanity, vanity. All is vanity. Such a shame. In Mesopotamia there have been highly civilized religions of peace that cultivated the Golden Rule and tolerance for religious freedom. The Persian Darius the Great and Zoroastrianism promoted respect for life and religious tolerance within his empire. The Buddhists of Asia Minor taught respect for life. Regarding "My kingdom is not of this earth," from the Eastern Orthodox roots of Christianity, the Egyptian Coptic dogma for example observes strict respect for the separation between church and state, perhaps as necessity dictated being dhimmi. And recently there were yet peaceful Muslims in Egypt attempting to protect these Christian neighbors from being brutalized by the Muslim Brotherhood that now dictates governance. And what does it profit a person or a people to gain the whole world but lose one's own soul? As if one person can either buy or steal another's soul after losing his own to get ahead. Vanity.

394

"Maybe conservatives and conservative media should stop going on and on over and over about how single women are worthless pieces of shit ruining the country."

Okay, baby daddys and basement dwelling mommy's boys are pieces of shit too.

395 Yeah, so I'm searching this topic now and every result I see says 60 million voted for McCain vs. 57 million for Romney... ?? Is there some source somewhere with updated numbers? According to what you're saying 61 million voted for Romney vs 60 for McCain, I see no reference for this.

396 Ah. Rush was wrong, probably because he said that before the vote count was complete. And not just his total numbers. His claim that the white vote stayed home was also wrong. Man, I wonder how much or difficulty getting people to learn from Election 2012 is due to false early information like this? I mean, people still think election fraud would have altered the outcome because of that one debunked story.

397 The FEC official totals.   2012: http://goo.gl/Hh5F6   2008: http://goo.gl/l1KGC

398 I heard Rush repeat this statement in the past week, that some 3 million conservatives didn't show up to the polls.

399 If you spot a transcript for the recent statement, please put up the link. That's a big deal.

400 Maybe here, where he's inflated his original three million claim to four million? http://goo.gl/cgpXt Eesh. Yeah, I'll be writing about this.

401

<i>Who's kicking socons to the curb? The party is as pro-life as ever. Almost all GOP politicians are as pro-traditional marriage as ever, including the RNC chairman. That Priebus said that he didn't believe Sen. Portman should be drummed out of the party is taken to mean he wants to "kick social conservatives to the curb" is pathetic hysteria.

Tiresome victimology is tiresome.</i>

 

No, tiresome establishment apologetics is tiresome. The "post-mortem" skips merrily away from any discussion of pro-life issues, and you know it. Despite running a candidate who ran a simon-pure economics issues campaign, got his Veep selection to modify his own pro-life beliefs to trim to his, and even ran pro-Roe ads in PA, the post-mortem seems to think "even less so" is the trick. Oh, I'm sorry--it's "changing our tone" on abortion. Yeah, "pro-life as ever."

 

We don't have these soul-searching sessions after someone like Carly Fiorina gets creamed. And the notion that an eminence grise like Rob Portman is going to get run from the party is nigh unto hilarious.

402 2008 - Eligible voters: 213,313,508 2012 - Eligible voters: 221,925,820 2008 - Total votes: 132,653,958 2012 - Total votes: 130,306,739 That's not just 3 million people. That would be about 3 million if there were no difference in population.... however, people come of age and vote. In this case about 7 million new new people, with 3 million fewer votes cast. That's 10 million. The average is around 60%, so we are actually missing about 5-6 millions votes between 2008 and 2012. Find us new candidates.

403 Huckabee is a grifter.  Look at his PAC.  And he isn't the only one in the party who's PAC spends less than 10 percent on elections.

404 darelf, your numbers are deeply misleading. Total votes in 2008 for Obama and McCain: 129.3 million. Total votes in 2012 for Obama and Romney: 126.8 million. So there were 2.5 million fewer voters in total for the Republican and Democratic candidates in 2012. As I noted early, Obama got 3.5 million fewer votes in 2012 than he got in 2008. Romney got one million more votes in 2012 than McCain got in 2008. Thus, the lost votes --the 2.5 million who voted in 2008, but didn't in 2012 for either of the major party candidates -- overwhelmingly came out of the Democratic side of the ledger. The Democrats are the ones that need to talk about failing to turnout the vote. They seriously underperformed compared to 2008, while the GOP overperformed.

405 People didn't vote for Romney because he was a weasel who talked out of both sides of his mouth -- which both had one of his feet stuck in. That was it, right there. And some of the things that went on in the primaries helped to reinforce that image when it came time for the general. That's all on him and his crew; that's all on people who believed that after some of this happened that he could still win and are now trying to blame other people for what he and his group did. No more making excuses for it, nor more blaming the voters for it (what did you expect them to do? they went with the devil they knew rather than taking a chance on the one they didn't -- and Romney did not help with that, because he refused to stop speaking out of both sides of his mouth and couldn't quit sticking his big feet in there; on top of it all, everyone coasted on this sense of his "inevitability" -- they refused to tell themselves the truth). GOP picked a real lemon; get over it, don't make the same mistakes again.

406

This is just another continuation of Huckabee's ongoing quest to become the face and voice of evangelical conservativism. His defense of Akin during the 2012 campaign  was indefensible from a national campaign strategic standpoint, but made perfect sense from Huckabee's perspective. By defending the idiotic Akin and encouraging him to resist GOP party pressure to get him to drop out, Huckabee essentially prevented giving another, non-idiotic Republican candidate a shot at defeating McCaskill. In short, Huckabee's building a power base and has demonstrably proven that nothing is more important to Mike Huckabee than Mike Huckabee. He's an asshole.

407 Socons are not the only ones who eschew abortion. However, they are the Republicans who would make abortion illegal, rather than simply outlawing any public tax funding of abortion, prohibiting tax funds from any clinic or organization that provides abortion, no matter where or when. They are also the Republicans who would assign the Puritanical scarlet letter to those who don't measure up to perfection. And finally, refusing a clause to permit legal abortion in cases of legally reported rape (whether a case is solved or not) or when a mother's life is threatened is hardcore fundamentalism. That line of thought would limit sexual intercourse strictly for the purpose of conception. There are many Independents and moderates in every public sector that eschew abortion, and demand that tax funds not be directed to enable abortion. As if politicians are compassionate, or are not corrupt. The private sector comprises privately funded special interest groups and organizations (Planned Parenthood) from which abortions will always be made available, legally or not. They don't NEED tax funds in order to remain in effect. Pregnant females don't need tax funded abortions.

408 360 Maybe...but the malady that lurks behind abortion is still a problem, and it's time it got addressed. What did greater access to abortion and contraceptives really do for women? Oh, they can have more sex -- which means they can have more abortions (and possibly take some penicillin shots) when they find out Mr. Wonderful really didn't love them after all; he just wanted something something. Doesn't that make you feel all special women? Doesn't that make you feel great? Why aren't you celebrating babycakes? You are free! Men by and large hate everything about you except when they get to hit it and quit it, because you're more bitter and clinging than ever now; you aren't going to have an easy time finding anybody who wants to sign up for lifelong commitment with you (or any kids you just might keep), but hey, "freedom! you can have it all baby!"...and here it is, take a good look at it. Especially minority women -- and they get to go to the Dr. Gosnell's of this world, so that should be pointed out too, and the fact that they signed up to be treated like this. Tell them the truth -- it didn't get them anything but heartache, and in the end its on them because they went along with it -- but always, there's the opportunity to change. Come at them with that concerning abortion and free contraceptives, and you're getting one step closer to fixing some problems (including monetary ones, some fiscal ones that seem to be a big f'n deal to Republicans)...but...you have to want to change it, and therein lies the rub. Everybody's got a choice.

409 Posted by: panzernashorn at April 02, 2013 10:40 AM (MhA4j) Nice post; Thanks for taking the time to write it.

410 Infighting of "conservative" factions... A page from Vienna, neoclassical vs. liberal romantic revolution warring between word and wordless messaging to capture the masses... 19th Century aesthetic "War of the Romantics" -- through repetitive old guard theme and variation, neoconservative truncation and censorship of a never ending melody meant to squash evolution and worship only one "true" heir to Beethoven (THE revolutionary though highjacked and civilized after death by purist dogma). Regardless of which Beethoven tradition, in subsequent generations, the Nazi's listened as much to Brahms as to Wagner, btw.

411 409. glad you liked it. Time's past to get going now...

412 Sounds like these insurance exchanges will become another form of welfare that encourages low income women to have more children.

413 GOP picked a real lemon; get over it, don't make the same mistakes again.

Posted by: citizen of the LoL at April 02, 2013 11:40 AM (DBkD3)

 

Romney was the best candidate among the choices presented. I had high hopes for Rick Perry, Romney's most formidable opponent of the lot of them, but Perry never should've attempted a grueling national campaign while recovering from (evidently fairly serious) back surgery. Running under such conditions was a bad call on Perry's part, and speaks to lack of good judgement--which (again) may've been compromised by his medical condition. So Romney won the nomination.

 

If what Romney's son said is true, that his father didn't really want the job, then that's the reason for Romney's less-than-stellar performance (in a lifetime of stellar performances). Lincoln called presidential ambitions 'the worm in the belly' that gnawed and nibbled away at him and gave him no rest, implying that he (Lincoln) wanted the job badly, more than anything. If you don't want it, you don't get it.

414

"However, they are the Republicans who would make abortion illegal, rather than simply outlawing any public tax funding of abortion, prohibiting tax funds from any clinic or organization that provides abortion, no matter where or when. They are also the Republicans who would assign the Puritanical scarlet letter to those who don't measure up to perfection. And finally, refusing a clause to permit legal abortion in cases of legally reported rape (whether a case is solved or not) or when a mother's life is threatened is hardcore fundamentalism. That line of thought would limit sexual intercourse strictly for the purpose of conception."

 

Lovely cartoonish depiction of the hateful socon. 

415

Die in a fire, all you vile right-wing trolls and sock puppets.

 

 

It is a beautiful time here in Vermont, as we are the vanguard of our beloved President's drive to ensure all people have health care. Lay down your vile racist hate for Him. Join us as we move FORWARD!

416 I'm not trying to say anything, but here's the numbers: 2004 - 62 million votes for Bush 203 million eligible voters ( 60% turnout - 122 million votes cast ) 2012 - 61 million votes for Romney 222 million eligible voters ( 58% turnout - 129 million votes cast ) So... out of 19 million new voters, assuming 58% of them would vote, and 45% of the new votes would go to Romney (his 2012 share) he should have had a total number of about 70 million votes. He didn't. If only half of those "should haves" had been "conservative" and not crossover, he's missing about 4-5 million votes. Do I think around 4 or 5 million conservative voters who voted for Bush in 2004 stayed home and didn't vote in 2012? I think that is highly likely. In fact, I think it is extremely likely.

417 413 Well, if he didn't want the job, then why did he waste everybody's time (and a lot of people's money)? That makes him "the best possible candidate" how? Perry came out acting like a goof...but at least I suspect the dude wanted to actually win the thing (same as with the rest). And that they likely wouldn't have had their kid go to the media afterwards and say "well, he didn't really want to win anyway". That was just kicking people who voted for him in the teeth imhao.

418 So... out of 19 million new voters, assuming 58% of them would vote, and 45% of the new votes would go to Romney (his 2012 share) he should have had a total number of about 70 million votes. He didn't.

Do I think around 4 or 5 million conservative voters who voted for Bush in 2004 stayed home and didn't vote in 2012? I think that is highly likely. In fact, I think it is extremely likely.


You're assuming that there are 4 or 5 million new conservative voters out there, something that doesn't appear in the voter registration numbers. Also, your claim that these voters could have voted for Bush in 2004, but didn't vote in 2012 is unsupported. You want to believe these voters are out there, but they don't show up in the voter totals, the voter registration numbers, or public polling.

Again, the data does not support the claims that are being made.

419 "You're assuming that there are 4 or 5 million new conservative voters out there, something that doesn't appear in the voter registration numbers." "Again, the data does not support the claims that are being made." I'm not claiming what did happen. But I know what didn't happen. I know that 19 million newly eligible voters weren't 100% liberal. I know that since there were fewer total real number votes for Romney than for Bush, that there were at least some number of previously registered conservative voters who said "screw it". And I know that if you're a newly eligible voter with conservative leanings and don't see anyone worth voting for, you probably won't even bother to register. This isn't even about percentages, we are talking about the actual real number of votes being less. Not share, not turnout percentages, actual real 1 million less votes when the pool of available voters is up by 19 million. My conclusion is that millions of people who would have voted for someone like Bush, decided not to vote at all ( and in some cases to not even register to vote ). Is it 1, or 3 or 4 or 5 million? I don't know, but I would guess one of those numbers, and as a complete shot in the dark I would guess closer to 5 than to 1. That says nothing about evangelical or whatever other category. Blame whoever you want, but the fact is that millions of people who would have otherwise voted, decided Romney wasn't good enough to show up for.

420 You can't message something you don't have.  We have been sold out by the traitorous republicans.  The camel's back is BROKEN!

commiecrats=republicoms   Anyone that professes shock when the republicoms sell us out on gun confiscation (and they will) is a fool.