June 12, 2013

Top Headline Comments 6-12-13
— Gabriel Malor

Happy Wednesday.

The contours of at least one of the NSA programs has gotten a lot clearer. The cell phone metadata warrants were issued pursuant to USA PATRIOT Act sec. 215, also known as the "business records provision" or, for civil libertarians during Bush 43's years, the "library records provision." The cell metadata program has been confirmed to the public -- that is, we've seen an authentic court order with respect to Verizon and been reliably informed that the other major cell carriers have also been subject to those orders, and for many years.

And though the cell metadata collection goes back to the Bush Administration, the use of section 215 has been greatly expanded by the Obama government.

The ACLU, a Verizon customer, is suing to shut down the cell metadata collection and to force NSA to destroy all records that it has obtained under the cell metadata program. ACLU complains (PDF) that the program violates section 215, as well as the First and Fourth Amendments.

Unlike the cell metadata program, however, the details of PRISM continue to be disputed. Edward Snowden remains the sole source to claim that the program allows NSA to "directly and unilaterally seize" internet communications off the companies' servers and that the program is directed against Americans. Those allegations have been denied by both DNI Clapper and by each of the companies allegedly involved. They've also been denied by undisclosed sources to the papers, although we've gotta weigh the fact that they won't allow their names to be used.

As far as on-the-record deinals go, both Clapper (PDF) and the companies have indicated that PRISM is the way that these companies comply with court orders to provide the content of internet communications in international terrorism cases under FISA sec. 702,

NYTimes reported that one of the ways the companies were approached by NSA to operate PRISM was by means of a digital "lock box" or "clean room" on the companies' servers. The companies, upon receiving a court order, would deposit the requested communications in the secure lock box, which NSA could then access remotely.

Yesterday, Google outright rejected the lock box possibility, at least with respect to itself, and admitted that it complies with 702 orders by means of a simple secure FTP. Google -- later joined by Facebook and Microsoft -- also asked DOJ to give it permission to publicly discuss how it complies with FISA orders, so as to clear its name of the charge that it provided NSA with "unilateral" access to the content on its servers.

In short, we have one confirmed case of NSA indiscriminately targeting Americans over the course of many years -- the cell metadata story. We have another sensational, and unconfirmed (to put it mildly) allegation that NSA is taking data right off the servers of the biggest internet companies. The second story is alarming, but too vague and uncorroborated for me to simply take Ed Snowden's word for it.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 02:52 AM | Comments (474)
Post contains 502 words, total size 4 kb.

1 Good Morning Morons.  Today is Wednesday, June 12, 2013.  On this day in 1978 The Son of Sam killer, David Berkowitz, was sentenced to 365 years in prison.  In almost any other State in the union besides NY he would have already been executed.  Instead he is still rotting in a NY prison being given 3 hots and a cot by the NY taxpayer.  Probably has a phone and Internet too.  On to the news, the all commie edition today.

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:53 AM (lZvxr)

2 Fox and AP speculate on “tough” hurdles for the amnesty bill, which has essentially already passed in the Senate.  It passed cloture yesterday, which was the real vote.  They talk today about 3 weeks of debate and “amendments” in the Senate. There will be no amendments passed unless they are ones to make it even more liberal.  But not to worry, Boner the Magnificent hasnÂ’t received a sack of magic beans lately so he is ready for a deal.

http://tinyurl.com/jw95koj

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:53 AM (lZvxr)

3 Google denies any knowing involvement in the NSA PRISM program.  Hey Google, I have a Time Share in FL IÂ’ll sell you cheap, then I will agree to believe your shit.

http://tinyurl.com/les8r3r

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:54 AM (lZvxr)

4 72 year old Grandma shoots at an intruder trying to do a home invasion (those never turn out well) and runs him off.  The man had a rap sheet longer than my Johnson.  He was actually on parole at the time.  Will his parole be revoked and he sent to jail?  No he hasnÂ’t made any Mohamed movies that the Obamanites need to blame something on.  No word on his immigration status.

http://tinyurl.com/ken75de

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:54 AM (lZvxr)

5 After reading a report about the 4 year old who accidentally shot his father Actress Katee Sackoff of Battlestar Galatica tweeted “lets practice gun safety out there this is horrible”.  She lost 100K friends because they wanted her to say that there should be no guns out there.  Liberal gun grabbers are really amazing.

http://tinyurl.com/lxy2nhx

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:54 AM (lZvxr)

6 A gigantic line of powerful thunderstorms could affect one in five Americans on Wednesday as it rumbles from Iowa to Maryland packing hail, lightning and tree-toppling winds.

More shit for Al Bore to whine about.

http://tinyurl.com/myez8xy

The WC says more tornadoes for you Morons there in the Midwest.  Lets be careful out there folks.  It doesnÂ’t hit us here in the East until Thursday.

http://tinyurl.com/l3pg5qw

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:54 AM (lZvxr)

7 More problems for the Boeing 787, this time engines.  Funny, I canÂ’t recall the press reporting every tiny mishap with a new airliner roll-out before.  Does anyone else remember this kind of coverage?  Is there something else going on here?

http://tinyurl.com/kwhbecm

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:55 AM (lZvxr)

8 Obama has lost his liberal base in Hollywood, even the fat ugly ones.  I suspect those assholes in the WH are getting worried now.

http://tinyurl.com/kwjpmax

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:55 AM (lZvxr)

9 Chucky Cheesedk says illegal migration will be a thing of the past.  How about you Morons in NY record that as an MP3 file and send it to him every time a new illegal shows up (if the damn MFM will ever report it).  I swear folks, I think this guy is an even bigger idiot than Lindsey Graham.

http://tinyurl.com/lhmdvl3

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:55 AM (lZvxr)

10 Vermont idiot Leahy once again introduces his gay couples amendment which would allow gays to sponsor their foreign partners for citizenship in the US.  He had introduced the same amendment before but pulled it when it became apparent it was a poison pill and would block the cloture vote.  Thanks again you 26 freaking RINO assholes, and especially you Ratfk Rubio.  This amendment will likely pass now as it doesnÂ’t need a single Republican vote as long as the commies like Leahy vote in lockstep, and they almost always do, unlike the RINOs.  (Had to search far and wide to avoid the Politico link that Drudge used)

http://tinyurl.com/l7wfo7m

More on this later

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:56 AM (lZvxr)

11 But not to worry; Boner says open House on immigration”.  (That is dog whistle for we will pass this thing.

After hearing his comments Pederast Harry says “That’s music to my ears”.

So you know we are screwed when Third Reich Reid is happy with our majority leader.

Sorry no other link but Politico

http://tinyurl.com/khcuprt

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:56 AM (lZvxr)

12 Army band member being persecuted by his CO for being a conservative and showing it in his personal life.  A few years ago I would have said this is not all the picture.  Sounds like a malcontent fkup trying to excuse bad behavior.  Based on events over the past year I tend to believe this guy and not his CO and certainly not senior people.  Military leadership keeps repeating itself.  We need a house cleaning like never before.

http://tinyurl.com/k2t22er

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:56 AM (lZvxr)

13 Senator Amy Klobuchar (C-MN) wants to make copper theft a federal crime.  Have any of these worthless assholes ever read the Constitution?  That includes Republicans on this kind of shit as well.

http://tinyurl.com/mmjjvfw

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:57 AM (lZvxr)

14 Mother and Daughter of ME descent caught trying to smuggle $60,000 into the US from Canada (a miracle this was caught).  They claim they were catching a flight to Lebanon in Detroit.  So what were they carrying this money for?  Financing terrorists here or in Lebanon?  Mules are not in this business for themselves. Honest people have better venues for transferring money, even across borders.

http://tinyurl.com/qb9szme

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:57 AM (lZvxr)

15 2016 Presidential candidates attend Christian event in DC tomorrow.  There is only one name on there that I like, one I kinda like, the rest need to go home.

http://tinyurl.com/kt5qncd

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:57 AM (lZvxr)

16 Howard Gutman points his finger at the camera and says “I did not have sex with that minor”.   /s

http://tinyurl.com/md9zy5s

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:57 AM (lZvxr)

17 5 year old boy who survived tornado in OK killed at family friendÂ’s house by a Bull Mastiff.  Sad irony.  Will the owner of the dog be charged with murder?  That seems to be the new paradigm in this kind of thing.

http://tinyurl.com/p6j9lwg

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:58 AM (lZvxr)

18 Yesterday we learned about the powers of a “warming penis”.  Today we will learn about teachers fondling underage girls because of ParkinsonÂ’s medication.

http://tinyurl.com/mce878p

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:58 AM (lZvxr)

19 Pig Nose Waxman and other commies coordinate with Obama and his gang of corrupt assholes to bring back the phony global warming scam.


http://tinyurl.com/kn68an6

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:58 AM (lZvxr)

20 So Clapper denies it? Case closed then.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2013 02:58 AM (c28BI)

21 TX gun maker has a new rifle that they say will allow amateur people to hit targets over 1,000 yards away. The drawback?  It costs $27,000.  Not mentioned is that the corrupt and illegal assholes at ATF will likely make in a class III weapon for no reason other than they donÂ’t like it.

http://tinyurl.com/l4aot9v

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:59 AM (lZvxr)

22 Markey demonstrates he is just about as intelligent as Biden.  When I got his stupid letter about a fire on a spent fuel cask I assumed at the time it was just more of his war on Nuke Power and using any stupid thing he could come up with.  Now I see he really believed it.  He is a stupid SOB.  Good luck MA, despite the recent polls I think he will be your next Senator.  Too bad the rest of us have to suffer.

http://tinyurl.com/knj36pw

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:59 AM (lZvxr)

23 19 year old porn actress strips and masturbates with a cross at a Catholic High School she once attended.  Yes, she was arrested and charged.

http://tinyurl.com/kyqumq3

She is not bad looking but I would not do her even if I were not married already.  Especially not with thunderstorms coming.  Too much potential to be struck by lightning.  Sure I joke about this, but it really demonstrates how sick society has become.  And what if she had done this at a Mosque with a figure of Mohamed?

This one is SFW (it was tough finding one that was)

http://tinyurl.com/lw38e8a

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 02:59 AM (lZvxr)

24 Plugs is using Cruz and Paul as booger men while campaigning for commies.

http://tinyurl.com/lpsmgnp

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:00 AM (lZvxr)

25 Good morning, Vic, and thanks for the headlines. Stay safe, flatlanders.

Posted by: Gem at June 12, 2013 03:00 AM (pJ2+2)

26 This shows you how meaningless border control is.  Even when agents are involved the laws are flaunted by this corrupt and lawless administration.

http://tinyurl.com/m9gsmkb

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:00 AM (lZvxr)

27 Because Clapper has to tell the truth, right?

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2013 03:00 AM (c28BI)

28 The “race card” should have been rendered obsolete 50 years ago but instead of dwindling away into obscurity it has become the multi-function epitaph for everything.  Now it is even used by the eco-idiots.

http://tinyurl.com/kgggnx5

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:00 AM (lZvxr)

29 The Chinese have latched onto a 1200 page study done in the US that debunks the AGW scam completely.  Most Americans have never heard of it because it has been boycotted by the MFM.  But a billion Chinese will shortly hear about it.

http://tinyurl.com/lszg2vc

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:01 AM (lZvxr)

30 Something for our NYC Morons who are considering a move to Charleston.

http://tinyurl.com/n8pjq2p

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:01 AM (lZvxr)

31 And speaking of Charleston restaurants, a federal indictment accuses a Japanese restaurant of employing illegals and cheating the IRS.  Obviously the owners are not liberal Obama contributors.

http://tinyurl.com/m6acfq5

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:01 AM (lZvxr)

32 23 19 year old porn actress strips and masturbates with a cross at a Catholic High School she once attended. Yes, she was arrested and charged. Yawn. Go do it at a mosque, honey.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 12, 2013 03:01 AM (uhAkr)

33 Illegal and corrupt racist EEOC brings suit against companies using our tax money.  Grounds? Using background checks to filter out people who have been convicted of crimes and the disparate impact (phony theory) on blacks.  If we had an opposition party this “temporary act” which is blatantly unconstitutional would have been gone long ago and these assholes on the EEOC would be syphilitic prostitutes blowing drug addicts behind bushes in Griffith Park.

http://tinyurl.com/o4jtlkb

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:02 AM (lZvxr)

34 And speaking of disparate impact, where is the EEOC on the Tanning Bed tax?  This is obviously a racist tax since it only affects white people.  Anyway, Liberal Kathleen Parker doesnÂ’t like it.

http://tinyurl.com/kv4kx7e

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:02 AM (lZvxr)

35 For some reason the MFM thinks the “poison pills” are going to block the amnesty bill despite the fact that cloture has been approved.  Are you people stupid or just trying to sell soap?

http://tinyurl.com/ldoo3oj

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:02 AM (lZvxr)

36 The CBO says debt limit will not be reached until Oct due to better economic numbers.  IOW Obamanite accounting has made everything good.  I still have that time share.

http://tinyurl.com/nyvjyxl

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:03 AM (lZvxr)

37 In short, we have one confirmed case of NSA indiscriminately targeting Americans over the course of many years -- the cell metadata story. We have another sensational, and unconfirmed (to put it mildly) allegation that NSA is taking data right off the servers of the biggest internet companies. Fuck 'em. Fuck 'wm all. Help it burn. Make it burn. Let it burn.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2013 03:03 AM (xorT2)

38 Michael Barone says NSA spying was not illegal.  This despite multiple sources, including the person who wrote the law, saying it is.  And this guy is supposed to be a “conservative”.  He is a liberal idiot.

http://tinyurl.com/l5f39oj

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:03 AM (lZvxr)

39 Andrew McCarthy doesnÂ’t like Rand PaulÂ’s proposal for reining in NSA.  I havenÂ’t seen the bill yet, have you Andrew?

http://tinyurl.com/mbfu774

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:03 AM (lZvxr)

40 EPA staff has been leaking individual farmerÂ’s data to eco-commie Watermelons.  This is what has been happening with those “secret e-mail accounts”.

http://tinyurl.com/m6eu3c9

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:04 AM (lZvxr)

41 Kindle Daily Deals

http://tinyurl.com/ldu9axd



And thatÂ’s it for today.

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:04 AM (lZvxr)

42 >>>Because Clapper has to tell the truth, right?

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2013 07:00 AM (c28BI)


Of course not. That's such a silly thing to say. Just because we're not sure about Clapper, doesn't mean Snowden is automagically telling the truth either. 

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at June 12, 2013 03:05 AM (jZUEZ)

43

Troll the NSA, tonight at 7 p.m.   http://www.trollthensa.com/

 

One of the ONT morons thought we could've written a better script, so if you feel froggy, have at it.  Just remember to use the buzzwords.

Posted by: RushBabe at June 12, 2013 03:05 AM (qkZxk)

44 35 For some reason the MFM thinks the “poison pills” are going to block the amnesty bill despite the fact that cloture has been approved. Are you people stupid or just trying to sell soap? I don't think cloture was approved - it was moved to discussion. There's still one more cloture vote (I think).

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 12, 2013 03:06 AM (uhAkr)

45 DAY 218 1,237 to go (1,322 to Inauguration Day ) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, martial law, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 03:06 AM (+98Gb)

46

Howard Gutman points his finger at the camera and says “I did not have sex with that minor”. /s

http://tinyurl.com/md9zy5s

 

This trash is on record criticizing Palin for being a bad parent.

Posted by: RushBabe at June 12, 2013 03:06 AM (qkZxk)

47 Those allegations have been denied by both DNI Clapper and by each of the companies allegedly involved. I trained him how to testify.

Posted by: Bill Cliton[/i] at June 12, 2013 03:06 AM (U2UQk)

48 Sure I joke about this, but it really demonstrates how sick society has become. And what if she had done this at a Mosque with a figure of Mohamed? We would have nevee heard about it because she would have been "disappeared".

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2013 03:07 AM (xorT2)

49 Clapper tells us the least untrue thing. But we should trust him. Because there are rules against misuse.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2013 03:07 AM (c28BI)

50 One of the very few times in my life I agree with the ACLU.

Posted by: Case at June 12, 2013 03:07 AM (tjj0w)

51 Mark Levin was on fire about the NSA/Prism/Snowden. He gets it. Worth a listen.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 03:08 AM (+98Gb)

52 Like the IRS. They denied it, too.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2013 03:08 AM (c28BI)

53 Yes, the Eviiiiiil Booosh did it too!  The liberal cry, except that he targeted calls going and coming from overseas and known terrorists in the US.


Obama has targetted EVERYBODY and probably with an algorithm for conservative groups. 

I want to see some jail!


And yes it IS illegal and so says the guy who wrote the Patriot Act among others.

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:09 AM (lZvxr)

54 I find all this canonization of Clapper quite disgusting.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 12, 2013 03:09 AM (uhAkr)

55

On this day in 1978 The Son of Sam killer, David Berkowitz, was sentenced to 365 years in prison. In almost any other State in the union besides NY he would have already been executed. Instead he is still rotting in a NY prison being given 3 hots and a cot by the NY taxpayer.

 

Vic, have you ever read The Ultimate Evil by Maury Terry?  It doesn't exculpate Berkowitz (in fact, Terry admits Berkowitz most likely shot VirginiaVoskerichian), but puts forward the case that Berkowitz was part of a Manson Family-affiliated Satanic cult operating out of the Untermeyer Park area and he was chosen as the fall guy when the heat got too close.  The claims have been dismissed over the years, but it's still a fascinating book.

Posted by: H.G. Wells at June 12, 2013 03:09 AM (zF6Iw)

56 No look it has been denied, what's the big deal?

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2013 03:10 AM (c28BI)

57 Let me add one other thing, I thouroughly despise yuppie terms like "metadata".

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:10 AM (lZvxr)

58 "More problems for the Boeing 787, this time engines. Funny, I canÂ’t recall the press reporting every tiny mishap with a new airliner roll-out before. Does anyone else remember this kind of coverage? Is there something else going on here?" Last few years we've seen Boeing move (or attempt to move) manufacturing and design to right to work states. They moved corporate offices to Chicago but that wasn't enough to satisfy.

Posted by: John at June 12, 2013 03:11 AM (rHaMl)

59 53 Yes, the Eviiiiiil Booosh did it too! The liberal cry, except that he targeted calls going and coming from overseas and known terrorists in the US. "If Bobby jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?"

Posted by: Your Mother when you were 5 years old at June 12, 2013 03:11 AM (bl6Iq)

60 Vic, try the Metaverse then. 

What we are finding out is the government has many digital tentacles

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 03:12 AM (Oql7F)

61 Morning RINOs Just bought the new fusion A 2.0 V4 hybrid Mother Earth scores because gas is 4.25 here

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 12, 2013 03:12 AM (wPCF5)

62 I find all this canonization of Clapper quite disgusting. I feel *almost* the same revulsion toward him as the day Bill Clinton pointed his lying finger at 275 million Americans and proceeded to lie his ass off. Yeah, getting a blow job, then masturbating in the Oval Office lavatory is not sexual relations.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at June 12, 2013 03:14 AM (U2UQk)

63 At least the 787 lacks wing cracks and bad wiring.  Same can not be said for the Airbus 380.
http://www.anandnair.com/nairblog/2012/07/some-ongoing-issues-with-airbus-a380.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 03:14 AM (Oql7F)

64 Marco rubio sucks cock

Posted by: Mr Pink at June 12, 2013 03:14 AM (B42II)

65 58 Posted by: John at June 12, 2013 07:11 AM (rHaMl) Boeing is one of the greatest companies in the history of this nation. The B-17, B-52, 707 and 747 saved and changed the world. They HATE them for that and for defying the now destructive labor movement.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 03:14 AM (+98Gb)

66 Sounds like the porn actress is trying to get her extra 15 minutes of fame and attention and sell some more films. Poor girl. The school handled it correctly: “We are praying for the young lady and praying for her family and we stand ready to offer her forgiveness and support should she seek it,” said Monsignor John Perkington in a statement.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2013 03:14 AM (iwHSQ)

67 64 Marco rubio sucks cock Posted by: Mr Pink at June 12, 2013 07:14 AM (B42II) Not a big fan of Rand Paul either for voting yes on cloture.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 03:15 AM (+98Gb)

68 I don't think cloture was approved - it was moved to discussion. There's still one more cloture vote (I think).

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 12, 2013 07:06 AM (uhAkr)


The article I linked in Ace's thread yesterday said that WAS the cloture vote.

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:15 AM (lZvxr)

69 RE: ACLU

Isn't it interesting that the ACLU doesn't want their meta data being subject to pattern matching analysis. What is it they are trying to hide from the public?

I say, make it all public. Anyone who wants can enter any search term they want and read the data records for themselves.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 12, 2013 03:16 AM (cuNJf)

70  >>>But we should trust him. Because there are rules against misuse.

You seem to think that we have enough information to believe either Clapper or Snowden. I don't think that's the case at all. I think we have enough information to be skeptical.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at June 12, 2013 03:16 AM (jZUEZ)

71 This society is very, very sick.

Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at June 12, 2013 03:17 AM (bxpf3)

72 Snowden, to use Clancy spy terms, is a sole source.  The veracity of his information has to be verified before any grade of reliability can be placed on it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 03:18 AM (Oql7F)

73 Posted by: H.G. Wells at June 12, 2013 07:09 AM (zF6Iw)


No I haven't read it but I tend to disbelieve wild conspiracy theories.  Especially when wild has groups have to be cross country when pone of them was living on an essentially vacant ranch in the desert of CA (in poverty) and the tie is in NYC.

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:18 AM (lZvxr)

74 What else are we supposed to call metadata? It's not just for phone calls. It's for picture files, music files, video files, ANY file on your computer has a metadata file as a component. Right click on it and click "Properties." That's metadata.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 12, 2013 03:19 AM (JDIKC)

75 The article I linked in Ace's thread yesterday said that WAS the cloture vote. Aren't there two cloture votes? This wasn't the one to end discussion. This was one to 'take up' the issue. I'm pretty sure if it were the final cloture vote (to end debate), the thing would have passed.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 12, 2013 03:19 AM (uhAkr)

76 The article I linked in Ace's thread yesterday said that WAS the cloture vote.

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 07:15 AM (lZvxr)

That was the vote to begin debate, there is another cloture vote to end debate. There will be at least 60 votes for the second vote too tho, maybe more than 70 if Cornyn's fig leaf amendment passes.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at June 12, 2013 03:20 AM (g3soT)

77 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 07:14 AM (Oql7F)


And yet the US MFM never mentions the problems with the airbus.

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:20 AM (lZvxr)

78 Snowden, to use Clancy spy terms, is a sole source. But the documents he had, and there are plenty more going to be trickled out, he should not have had. Might be someone else on the inside helping him out.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at June 12, 2013 03:20 AM (U2UQk)

79 75 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 12, 2013 07:19 AM (uhAkr) First vote to open the debate. The bill is a nation-slayer. It should be killed on principle. Politically, it needs to die in the senate to fuck up SCOAMF. If it dies in the house, he can use it as a weapon against the GOP. But if it does die there I won't bitch. But I fear Boehner will sell us out in the house and pass this fucking disaster as I imagine it will pass in the senate.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 03:22 AM (+98Gb)

80 I'm pretty sure if it were the final cloture vote (to end debate), the thing would have passed.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 12, 2013 07:19 AM (uhAkr)


Even the article today they said they take up debate on the floor today.

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:23 AM (lZvxr)

81 But I fear Boehner will sell us out in the house and pass this fucking disaster as I imagine it will pass in the senate. If it gets to Boehner we're screwed.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 12, 2013 03:24 AM (uhAkr)

82 Thanks Malor and Vic. We, as a country, are so boned.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 12, 2013 03:25 AM (MnSla)

83 TX gun maker has a new rifle that they say will allow amateur people to hit targets over 1,000 yards away. The drawback? It costs $27,000.
--------------------------------------------------------------
NOW it costs 27 kilobucks. Just wait. It will get cheaper, better, smaller, smarter.
Firefly's 'autofire' in a handgun. Just wait. Only available to government agents.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 12, 2013 03:25 AM (cuNJf)

84

Yes, the Eviiiiiil Booosh did it too! The liberal cry, except that he targeted calls going and coming from overseas and known terrorists in the US.

On Monday afternoon, Beck had former NSA departmental directors/whistleblowers as guests on his TV show.  He asked if the current NSA tactics were going on under W.  The answer was a point-blank "yes."

 

Additionally, some of the famous folk you'd know who've been nailed by the NSA nosiness are, of course, David Petraeus, Gen. John Allen and client No. 9,  hisownself, Elliott Spitzer.

Posted by: RushBabe at June 12, 2013 03:25 AM (qkZxk)

85 But I fear Boehner will sell us out in the house and pass this fucking disaster as I imagine it will pass in the senate.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 07:22 AM (+98Gb)


Boner has already said he is going to sell us out.

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:25 AM (lZvxr)

86 If they're just starting debate now, how could that have been the (cloture) vote to end debate?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 12, 2013 03:25 AM (JDIKC)

87 I don't know what the hell is going on with it.  I have seen conflicting reports in several of the MFM papers.  As I said, the one I linked yesterday in Ace's thread called it the cloture vote.

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:26 AM (lZvxr)

88 This society is very, very sick. Thia society needs an old fashioned medical treatment known as a "blood letting" & sn enema very, very badly.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2013 03:28 AM (xorT2)

89 Morning all. Morning NSA you dickheads. Yes, the bill passed cloture 84 - 15.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 03:28 AM (g1DWB)

90 Wow MPPP that is some film.  TCM just finished showing the 1947 color movie Scared to Death with Bela Lugosi.  Lets say it was interesting with a house full of quirky suspects and secret passages. 

And already drafting outline for July Camp NaNoWriMo.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 03:28 AM (Oql7F)

91 More problems for the Boeing 787, this time engines. Funny, I canÂ’t recall the press reporting every tiny mishap with a new airliner roll-out before. Does anyone else remember this kind of coverage? Is there something else going on here?

http://tinyurl.com/kwhbecm

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 06:55 AM (lZvxr)

==========

ISTR that the press raked the Supersonic Transport (SST) over the coals pretty well back in the day.

http://www.arthurhu.com/toys/sst.htm

Posted by: Nighthawk at June 12, 2013 03:29 AM (OtQXp)

92 No Whammies No Whammies and STOP!

Posted by: TFG on 'Press Your Luck' at June 12, 2013 03:29 AM (fWAjv)

93 Remember HS gov/civics studying Parlimentary Procedure? I don't think much of that applies to the US senate anymore,

Posted by: BignJames at June 12, 2013 03:30 AM (Sg0G/)

94 From the link yesterday at The Guardian (UK)

2.59pm ET

All Democrats voted yes.

The Republicans who voted no are: Grassley, Boozman, Cruz, Inhofe, Kirk, Lee, Risch, Scott, Sessions, Shelby, Vitter, Enzi, Barrasso, Crapo, Roberts.

2.45pm ET

The vote on cloture is 82-15 in favor. Surprisingly strong margin.


Perhaps they are just as confused as I am.


Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:31 AM (lZvxr)

95 87 If they're just starting debate now, how could that have been the (cloture) vote to end debate? It wasn't. It was the vote to take up debate.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 12, 2013 03:31 AM (uhAkr)

96 The owner of my company has been using AOL email for at least 20 years. Last night he sends me a new addy for a Runbox email account. Why, why, WHY do people not get this? If it's not on a server that is in your physical possession, it's not secure! And we have our own Exchange server! So weird.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 12, 2013 03:31 AM (JDIKC)

97 Posted by: Gabriel Malor at June 12, 2013 07:05 AM (jZUEZ) The point is it's a he-said-she-said right now. A high-ranking guy a few years back also accused the NSA of the same thing. I'm still inclined to believe the thrust of what Snowden said.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 03:32 AM (X4HxX)

98 They have to debate the bill first.  Some things may have to be taken out of the bill, some added.

Posted by: Case at June 12, 2013 03:32 AM (tjj0w)

99 And the PRC has launched three cosmonauts into orbit to their space station.
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/52173596/#52173596

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 03:32 AM (Oql7F)

100 94 Remember HS gov/civics studying Parlimentary Procedure? I don't think much of that applies to the US senate anymore, Posted by: BignJames at June 12, 2013 07:30 AM (Sg0G/) The Senate is now a cross between the disciplinary trial scene in "Animal House" and the ape tribunal of Charlton Heston in "Planet of the Apes." Except, it is we the people who are "being disposed of."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 03:33 AM (+98Gb)

101 74 Empire of Jeff,

Yeah well evidently iot's pretty important to give the Ogabe administration the benefit of the doubt every time and to not engage in the activities that Ogabe and friends used to gain power....

remember in 2007 when Ogabe essentially ran to the left of the ACLU on the issue?

Neither does he evidently and we're supposed to be okay with this hypocrisy.

Trust the govtr after all it's not like the IRS malused data...

"oh wait"

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 03:33 AM (LRFds)

102 Well then Leahy has added hi poison pill back before "final cloture" so maybe that one paper is right.  If they don't kill that amendment they will not get all the RINOs on board again and may even lose some Democrats.

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:34 AM (lZvxr)

103 Once again Michael Ramirez hits the nail on the head:

http://bit.ly/119mCzX

Posted by: Nighthawk at June 12, 2013 03:34 AM (OtQXp)

104 89 This society is very, very sick. Thia society needs an old fashioned medical treatment known as a "blood letting" & sn enema very, very badly. Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2013 07:28 AM (xorT2) Feels as if our society has an overabundance of "leeches." Vershtay?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 03:34 AM (+98Gb)

105 27 Because Clapper has to tell the truth, right? Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2013 07:00 AM (c28BI) De-lurking for a sec. I don't get why anyone would ever point to anything Clapper says, ever. Like everyone else, I don't know much about this Snowden guy nor do I know how truthful he is being in describing these programs, although its clear that the guy is going to get the Joe the Plumber treatment. I do however know that when the PRISM news broke and we'd already found out that they were collecting data on all of our cell phone calls, so my reaction to PRISM was, "Well of course they are." Because the line of, "Well yeah. We're collecting the 'metadata' on your phone calls but we'd never, ever do the same kind of thing in re: your Internet usage, swearsies!" doesn't really do much for me to tamp down the idea that these folks are increasingly out of control and not to be trusted. And DNI "Least Untruthful Answer" Clapper is a known lying shitweasel who had the temerity to right out lie to Congress. You think he has any compunction about lying to us? Hell no! As far as Google and Facebook.....well, let's just say I'm not swayed by their claims of innocence. So Snowden may turn out to be a lying shitweasel but when his opposition is a pile of folks that are regular shit shovelers then I'm going to give the former the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 12, 2013 03:34 AM (qFpRI)

106 MPPP thank you for all your stories. They always give me a smile.

Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at June 12, 2013 03:34 AM (U7Ivf)

107 Jeb Bush, just go the fuck away, you pasty, cocksucing lapdog piece of shit.  What a goddamned douchebag he is. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 12, 2013 03:35 AM (wbmaj)

108 WTH are you talking about, sven?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 12, 2013 03:36 AM (JDIKC)

109 24 Plugs is using Cruz and Paul as booger men while campaigning for commies. http://tinyurl.com/lpsmgnp Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 07:00 AM (lZvxr) I wish it was true that they led the party.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 03:36 AM (X4HxX)

110 Wow Sen Levin squishes something Hillary's Senate replacement proposed.  Namely to take out of the DoD the prosecution of sexual assault cases.  If you want a way to truly neuter and make the military an incompetent lapdog, have an 'independent prosecutor' reviewing all the sexual assault cases.

http://tinyurl.com/mqnc8fm

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 03:36 AM (Oql7F)

111 106 Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 12, 2013 07:34 AM (qFpRI) Stop focusing on the shiny object, i.e. Snowden. The real issue is our government spying on the entire population.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 03:36 AM (+98Gb)

112 109 WTH are you talking about, sven? Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 12, 2013 07:36 AM (JDIKC) You're asking sven... what he meant? Have you read his posts before?

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 03:36 AM (X4HxX)

113 Yes, Jeb Bush will be at that CC event for 2016 hopefuls.

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:37 AM (lZvxr)

114 Better liar:  Clapper, Hillary, Holder, Schulman, Sebelius, Napolitano, Obama, or Carney? 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 12, 2013 03:38 AM (wbmaj)

115 This is an honest question.   Why should the word of a person (Clapper) who point blank lied to the faces of those who have oversight over him be given any credence?  


A second honest question.   Why should the benefit of the doubt ever be given to any government agency that it is acting forthrightly?


I'm sorry, Gabe, while I do appreciate the reminder to be skeptical of Snowden, I am left with the impression that you are inclined to believe that erstwhile public servants are acting in good faith.   I find this shockingly naive.  

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at June 12, 2013 03:39 AM (Gk3SS)

116 Woke up this morning to see advertisement  pro immigration and citizenship. Either Fox or FBN.  Where are the ads about what a disaster it is for the country?  I guess I could call my Senator -- Rubio -- and see if there's anything to be done? 

Posted by: gracepmc at June 12, 2013 03:39 AM (rznx3)

117 109 Empire of Jeff,

I am talking around a person here's ability to reflexively defend the Obama admin's overreach.

I'm on a limited time budget this morning and have a pretty action packed dqay ahead of me.

I would shut down my computer forever if a single fucking Obamqa defending mule loving cock sucking asshole would admit that Ogabe has taken every "Constitutional crisis" from the GWoT and magnified it to "eleventy" often turning the opprobrium inward against American citizens whereas heretofore Bush had aimed them overseas....

instead we get ticky tack weak ass semantic denials that are non-denials....

fuck the GOP for not playing the same sort of hardball with Jugears that Bush got handed by the mules.

They pass amnesty I'm done with politics forever.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 03:40 AM (LRFds)

118 That's just one thing I like about this place. We're all so addicted and some people have been here so long that they just say, "WTH are you talking about?" as if they were talking to their brother. LOL

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2013 03:41 AM (iwHSQ)

119 115 Better liar: Clapper, Hillary, Holder, Schulman, Sebelius, Napolitano, Obama, or Carney? Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 12, 2013 07:38 AM (wbmaj) They should hire BJ Clinton as the "go to" liar for this admin.

Posted by: BignJames at June 12, 2013 03:41 AM (Sg0G/)

120 What we need is a charismatic personality to wake the slumbering hordes.  Someone from outside the political arena.  A person who embodies the movement that must come.  Groups of well ointentioned tea partiers simply will not be enough to uproot the entrenched political class.  And the zombies who return them to office.  

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 12, 2013 03:41 AM (wbmaj)

121 As far as Google and Facebook.....well, let's just say I'm not swayed by their claims of innocence. I'm not swayed either, especially knowing that they could go to jail for revealing the fact that they are participating. Go to jail or lie? Easy choice. Government has become too big for its britches.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at June 12, 2013 03:41 AM (U2UQk)

122 116 AlexTheChick,

Bingo...

I'm at a loss as to why I should give a fuck about Snowden's credibility AT ALL when his detractors in power and the media have power over my liberty and have lied repeatedly on the matter.

Fuck them the Constitution is supreme.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 03:42 AM (LRFds)

123 And Ohio man charged when he rammed a Jeep Patriot into the White House fence.  He then tried to use a can of spray paint but seems Secret Service got to him.  They report he is a registered Republican naturally, if he was a Democrat no party affiliation would be given.

http://tinyurl.com/la4gtrl

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 03:42 AM (Oql7F)

124 Gabe has way more confidence in the feral government than do I. These fuckers lie to everyone.

Posted by: Dale Gribble at June 12, 2013 03:42 AM (QlTaC)

125

Jeb Bush:  I'm as much a conservative as my brother is. 

Yeah, Jeb, that's the fucking problem.  I've got two fucking words for you:  John Roberts

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 12, 2013 03:43 AM (wbmaj)

126 My modem crashed and I lost internet and home phone. I blame PRISM. Sarc

Posted by: thunderb at June 12, 2013 03:43 AM (PzluB)

127 >>Why, why, WHY do people not get this? If it's not on a server that is in your physical possession, it's not secure! I don't want to ruin your morning but if your email travels over the internet it isn't secure, regardless of where your server happens to be located. I spent a fair amount of my life working for internet companies and helped build a company that built over 30 vendor neutral colocation and network peering centers. We housed equipment and transmission facilities from almost every major network and content provider. Our centers along with our competitors "saw" virtually every email. And had we the inclination we could have done just about whatever we wanted with them. Grabbing email and other internet traffic ain't all that hard if you have the wanna.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 03:43 AM (g1DWB)

128 125 Dale Gribble,

Gabe seems to want the Virgin Mary to have a case so tight that Matlock would quake attacking it....delivered in a Mr Chips goes to Washington scene on the House floor....

well a lot like the right to be secure in papers and correspondence that ship has probably sailed forever.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 03:44 AM (LRFds)

129 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 07:42 AM (Oql7F)

Plant?

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:44 AM (lZvxr)

130 126 Jeb Bush: I'm as much a conservative as my brother is. Yeah, Jeb, that's the fucking problem. I've got two fucking words for you: John Roberts I wouldn't blame Bush for how Roberts turned out. Lots of people (me included) thought he was a great choice. But now I wish he would get cancer of the testicle.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 12, 2013 03:45 AM (uhAkr)

131 And Greece pulls the plug on its state run TV station. 2,900 now unemployed.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52177564/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 03:45 AM (Oql7F)

132 You're asking sven... what he meant? Have you read his posts before? Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 07:36 AM (X4HxX) -------------- What does his reply have to do with what I originally posted, which is the definition of metadata?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 12, 2013 03:46 AM (FvB8V)

133 Jeb Bush: I'm as much a conservative as my brother is.
Yeah, Jeb, that's the fucking problem. I've got two fucking words for you: John Roberts

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 12, 2013 07:43 AM (wbmaj)


I got another word for him:


I know conservatives, and George Bush was no conservative.

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 03:46 AM (lZvxr)

134 Vic, possible kudzu?  Could be.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 03:46 AM (Oql7F)

135 130 Vic,

No probably just a buckeye who snapped....

the press is the press....

the media aided Team Jackass getting power by flooding the zone with hypocritically reported stories based on name that party shit and "HYPE TO ELEVENTY" on every story critical of Bush....

no reason the GOP can't do the same things in reverse...other than our stupidity

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 03:47 AM (LRFds)

136 Of course not. That's such a silly thing to say. Just because we're not sure about Clapper, doesn't mean Snowden is automagically telling the truth either.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at June 12, 2013 07:05 AM (jZUEZ)
=========

Unfortunately that's what happens when trust is violated.  Once you establish that a person or organization has lied to you ONCE you can no longer be confident that ANYTHING they tell you after that is NOT a lie.

The Obama administration has lied to the American public nonstop since 20 January 2009 and since the public sees the US intel community and the administration as one and the same (I would argue that is a mistake, but that is the popular conception nonetheless) we end up in the current situation where nothing anybody in the community says or does can convince the public that the government is NOT spying on them.

Whether they are or not is really immaterial.

All because of the lying sack of shit currently in residence at 1600 Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Nighthawk at June 12, 2013 03:47 AM (OtQXp)

137

@115 Better liar: Clapper, Hillary, Holder, Schulman, Sebelius, Napolitano, Obama, or Carney?

 

Damn!  What a list.  I don't think any of them are good liars.  But I don't trust any of them either.  I trust Hillary about as far as I can throw her make-up trunk.

Posted by: Case at June 12, 2013 03:47 AM (tjj0w)

138 But now I wish he would get cancer of the testicle. I notice you used the singular in referring to his anatomy. Which gives him credit for one more testicle then I'd be willing to surmise he has.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at June 12, 2013 03:47 AM (U2UQk)

139 It's this simple: If Snowden revealed OPERATIONAL information about current agents, operations, etc., then yes he is a traitor. If not, then by revealing only the fact that our capabilities are being used by a tyrannical president against our own citizenry, then thank G-d he revealed it. The idea that the muzzies/commies don't know we can eavesdrop on them is stupid. They know it. The players are not important; the revelation that we the people are being subverted is.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 03:49 AM (+98Gb)

140 Grabbing email and other internet traffic ain't all that hard if you have the wanna. Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 07:43 AM (g1DWB) We simply count on random companies not giving a shit. Or use PGP.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 03:50 AM (X4HxX)

141 134 Empire of Jeff,

even parsing this down to metadata in exasperation is carrying Obama's water....

Shia LaPoof had a phonecall played back to him....

I trust N$A as far as I can throw their shiny building....

I deferred and demurred about theiractions a LOT when I was convinced their goal was the containment of Radical Islamic terrorism...

I am not convinced that is even in the top three of their reasons for wanting the footprint of electronic communications anymore....

I think Prism and its like exist to do numbers like they did to Petraeus in all likelihood....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 03:50 AM (LRFds)

142 Just a quick reminder that I'll be covering the jury selection for the Zimmerman trial again today for Prof. Jacobson over at Legal Insurrection, also on Twitter @LawSelfDefense. A summary of yesterday's juror fun is at LI here: http://bit.ly/14W4Zkv. It includes a lady with a one-winged pet crow, an African-American male who refers to O'Reilly and Hannity as "Bill" and "Shaun," and a woman whose only source of news--ONLY source--is Facebook. Good times. The top of that summary post has a link to today's live coverage (but that won't go live until the Court goes into session, between 9AM and 9:30AM).

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at June 12, 2013 03:50 AM (iZ0BY)

143 Jeb Bush is a conservative like Nidal Hassan is Chassidic.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 03:51 AM (+98Gb)

144 Morning all. It's almost 8:00AM, Have you punch a liberal today?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2013 03:51 AM (9Bj8R)

145 *pulls out the terminology tool box*

Metadata mining is a fancy way of saying the FBI is war driving with a packet sniffer and capture capability for the whole country.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 03:51 AM (Oql7F)

146 Jeb Bush is a conservative like Nidal Hassan is Chassidic. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 07:51 AM (+98Gb) Well hassan does have that beard?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2013 03:52 AM (9Bj8R)

147 145 Morning all. It's almost 8:00AM, Have you punch a liberal today? Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2013 07:51 AM (9Bj8R) My wife is about 5 feet from me. My arm's not that long. (HEAVY /S!)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 03:52 AM (+98Gb)

148

"Honest people have better venues for transferring money, even across borders."

 

Where does the government get the right to interfer with someone taking their money out of the country? 

 

My wife and I routinely "smuggle" cash to Buenos Aires because the limit is only $10,000 per person.  At one point, we had the expense of dental implants, along with expenses like rent, meals, entertainment and travel in country. 

 

U.S. cash goes a lot farther around the world (and especially in countries with shaky financial systems) than credit cards or other formal methods of exchange.  Not everyone who carries cash is a terrorist.

Posted by: jwest at June 12, 2013 03:52 AM (u2a4R)

149 147 Well hassan does have that beard? Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2013 07:52 AM (9Bj8R) No payess.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 03:52 AM (+98Gb)

150 What does his reply have to do with what I originally posted, which is the definition of metadata? Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 12, 2013 07:46 AM (FvB8V) I meant to say: Sven's posts never make sense in a linear, human-like fashion. I think he's a drunk robot.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 03:53 AM (X4HxX)

151 Well hassan does have that beard? Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2013 07:52 AM (9Bj8R) No payess. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 07:52 AM (+98Gb) If he is not circumcised, I'd like to volunteer to do that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2013 03:53 AM (9Bj8R)

152 There is NO AUTHORIZATION WHATSOEVER in the Constitution for using general warrants to seize data wholesale. "Trust us we won't abuse it" isn't in the constitution. People defending this wholesale data aggregation can't point to where this is authorized in the constitution. Their argument is the statist argument, that the constitution doesn't specifically PROHIBIT it. That is not how the Constitution works. Any "conservative" supporting these general warrants is nothing but a fake conservative neocon statist.

Posted by: Tiglon at June 12, 2013 03:53 AM (Do4Ly)

153 137 Nighthawk,

exactly...

what is the goddamned goal of even pursuing this matter?

The goal should be to plant doubt in the minds of the "moderates"...instead we are aiding Obama in attacking the source because "WE ARE THE SMARTEST MOST ETHICAL CONSERVATIVE AROUND" game is being played...

I remember during the 80s watching donkeys demand the US only engage in tradecraft with "good people" WRT intel work on CSpan....

well sadly the types of people with the data and skillsets we often need to know what's going on ain't choir boys and girls....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 03:54 AM (LRFds)

154 Posted by: jwest at June 12, 2013 07:52 AM (u2a4R) That's what I was thinking. How often do non-muslims smuggle money across the border? I'm guessing pretty danged often.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 03:54 AM (X4HxX)

155 Notice how Gabe, in this morning's post, uses such banal and mild language, like "single-source" and "uncorroborated." It seems like only fucking YESTERDAY that the tone was a little more, uh ... what's the word? Ah, yes, sensational. Anyone who believed Snowden was "canonizing" him. And Malor was saying that this "canonization of Snowden is just disgusting. Almost like some of you don't give a damn what the truth is." But today, Gabriel Malor has started to walk back his slap-fit hysterical sensationalism, and retreated into sticking with "uncorroborated." You do realize that they've effectively admitted that PRISM Is indiscriminate, right? You can't tell whether internet data is foreign or domestic until AFTER you look at it. They use "criteria" (they say) to focus on the foreign stuff. What's the success rate of these heuristics? What is done with the domestic data? They scrupulously forget it?

Posted by: Phinn at June 12, 2013 03:54 AM (oFH2D)

156 Metadata mining is a fancy way of saying the FBI is war driving with a packet sniffer and capture capability for the whole country. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 07:51 AM (Oql7F) Yeah, that helped. Btw, folks, my read on what Gabe is saying is that we're in the middle of a he said/she said over PRISM and neither party is particularly trustworthy at this point. Trust neither.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 12, 2013 03:55 AM (da5Wo)

157 Alright, I'll admit to one confirmed case of mass sucking of data. We lied. Big deal! We do it all the time.

 As for the other unconfirmed reports of mass sucking you can depend on Barky to giving it to you straight!

And, I mean Barky will give it to you straight up the tail-pipe!

I have learned that when lying to the public a bird in the butt is worth two in the bushes. Good day.

Posted by: Barney F. at June 12, 2013 03:55 AM (m5Tr1)

158 153 Posted by: Tiglon at June 12, 2013 07:53 AM (Do4Ly) The 4th Amendment. Unreasonable search and seizure was one of the major grievances that directly led to the Revolution. Hopefully, it's deja vu all over again. I am raging.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 03:56 AM (+98Gb)

159 137 -

Well stated. 

And if I may, this also applies to Gabe.  He really is putting a lot of time and effort into trying to slow people down on this, and given his track record, we have to ask why.  He's made false  and/or misleading statements in defense of his positions here before, so he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. 

Gabe is up to something, and his snotty replies in the comments don't really help to dispel the notion that he's being less than truthful himself. 

Posted by: Bran S. at June 12, 2013 03:56 AM (BeSEI)

160 >>We simply count on random companies not giving a shit. Or use PGP. Even that doesn't help. PGP stands for Pretty Good Privacy. NSA stands for We Can Decrypt Any Shit You Can Build, I Mean What Do You Think We Do?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 03:56 AM (g1DWB)

161 I am so gobsmacked that Boehner and so many in the GOP are willingly going along with this immigration reform deal.  Something that will drastically change the fabric of this country and send us reeling fiscally.  Something that will drive us hard left and leave the Republicans in smoldering ruins.  WHY?  Is it really as simple as "they are all the same?"  I just can't understand voting for your own suicide, and the suicide of the country you are leaving your own children and grandchildren.  I just can't square that circle. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 12, 2013 03:57 AM (ovWeo)

162 Even that doesn't help. PGP stands for Pretty Good Privacy. NSA stands for We Can Decrypt Any Shit You Can Build, I Mean What Do You Think We Do? Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 07:56 AM (g1DWB) Source? Are they running quantum computers or something?

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 03:57 AM (X4HxX)

163 Prism a program so successful we have had Bwoston Stwong, Ft Hood, the AZ IED bomber....

yeah let's look at the Tsarnevs for a sec....

Prism is so effective a program that they engaged in open advocacy for Jihad and the Russians overtly warned us of Tsarnev's activities and somehow they still got to cook mom's special recipe of powdered love right under the noses of BPD's bomb squad....

the metadata grab is there for political skullduggery not national defense.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 03:58 AM (LRFds)

164 Source? Are they running quantum computers or something?

There's at least two Crays at NSA HQ.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 12, 2013 03:58 AM (6T8Ay)

165 How often do non-muslims smuggle money across the border? I'm guessing pretty danged often.

 

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 07:54 AM (X4HxX)

 

The flow by retirees to Mexico, Costa Rica and the rest must be enormous.  If you wire the money to a foreign bank, they will only give you a very limited amount of U.S. currency.  The rest they pay in local money at the official rate (which screws you).

Posted by: jwest at June 12, 2013 03:58 AM (u2a4R)

166 Gabe is not the enemy. The facts are gonna be the facts. Just because he doesnt trust Snowden doesn't make him the enemy.

Posted by: thunderb at June 12, 2013 03:59 AM (srUtv)

167 162 Posted by: Lady in Black at June 12, 2013 07:57 AM (ovWeo) As long as people are gathering June 19th to protest the IRS, might as well go directly to Capitol Hill and protest Amnesty International, aka the GOP. If this law passes, it will be coup de grace of the republic.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 03:59 AM (+98Gb)

168 I'd be even more concerned if the NSA has broken public-key encryption.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 04:00 AM (X4HxX)

169 160 -  Sock off- if I'm going to knock on Gabe (and I will), I should at least give him the courtesy of knowing who is doing the knocking.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 12, 2013 04:00 AM (BeSEI)

170 The Congress for the most part is entirely self interested. They depend on their salaries, perks and insider trading. People who have some integrity lose it after a while because the are part of the system and the club. and the club functions so that you kiss up and get ahead and get more perks and promotions. The ONLY way to get to these people is to say that if they vote for the amnesty bill as it stands or at all is you will do everything in your power to get them out of office. That would include sending money to whatever opponent they have and that might not even work if you have people on the other said offering them bribes. If their perks are threatened they might do what their constituents want. So find the most vulnerable and shake them where it hurts,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2013 04:00 AM (iwHSQ)

171 167 ThunderB,

You ever notice Gabe like a lot "on the right" play a game where they pretend our "loyal opponent" plays an ethical game at all?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 04:01 AM (LRFds)

172 Gabe is not the enemy. The facts are gonna be the facts. Just because he doesnt trust Snowden doesn't make him the enemy.

That.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 12, 2013 04:01 AM (6T8Ay)

173

As mentioned above, the amnesty bill will, ultimately, "fundamentally transform" the USA into a socialist, third world thugacracy.  The NSA and assorted goon will just hasten the fall.

Of course, I see my RINO senate asshole, Burr, voted for it.

Posted by: jj at June 12, 2013 04:01 AM (gWO5X)

174 Gabe,  thanks for the summation of the events in the NSA scandal this morning.  I appreciated having all of it in one place.

I am trying not to jump to conclusions on anything to do with this. My mistrust of this administration is at eleventy! but I also know that there are spies,  self-important hipsters,  and wheels within wheels. 

However,  I can't get over Clapper not knowing about that British terror attack when Diane Sawyer interviewed him.  It made me think that he is notalways aware of what's going on,  and that might extend to the NSA.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 12, 2013 04:01 AM (GoIUi)

175 War driving - a black hat cruises or parks where its busy and they can interecept signals like you sitting at that Starbucks.

There is software like Wireshark that can look at packets.  It can also capture packets for analysis.  If they are good can even do man in the middle and just hijack your session.

This is what the FBI is doing to the whole country.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 04:03 AM (Oql7F)

176 171 Fenlon Spoke,

I was in Ohio yesterday and talked to a GOP operative saying amensty is the kiss of death to the Ohio GOP....

let it burn

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 04:03 AM (LRFds)

177 >>Source? Are they running quantum computers or something? What do you think the NSA is all about? It houses some of the most sophisticated collection of code breaking technology and people in the world. Probably the most. It's what they do. And they monitor the latest developments in code technology as closely as anyone in the world.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 04:03 AM (g1DWB)

178 #149  Well,  if you routinely smuggle cash over the $10,000 limit,  you could end up being arrested and having said cash confiscated.  But you just go right ahead and do it,  Mr. Expert.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 12, 2013 04:03 AM (GoIUi)

179 Hey, Jeb Bush sucks cock too!

Posted by: Marco Rubio at June 12, 2013 04:03 AM (JQuNB)

180 Posted by: TFG on 'Press Your Luck' at June 12, 2013 07:29 AM (fWAjv) Wasn't there a Whammy with an umbrella? That would be perfect for TFG.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 12, 2013 04:03 AM (OevbG)

181 If you had a really earth-shattering tale to tell, one in which you would be putting yourself against the US government in a very public way, would you leak it to the NYT, another big paper, a major network?  OR would you seek out a disgraced serial fabricator who writes for a British rag?

Anyone who accepts any story from Greenwald at face value should have their head examined, and probably removed.

Posted by: Adjoran at June 12, 2013 04:03 AM (473jB)

182 However, I can't get over Clapper not knowing about that British terror attack when Diane Sawyer interviewed him. It made me think that he is notalways aware of what's going on, and that might extend to the NSA. Posted by: Miss Marple at June 12, 2013 08:01 AM (GoIUi) I've told this story before. My wife has an aunt and uncle who both work at NSA. After the election, the uncle mentioned he voted TFG. My FIL went ballistic, mostly about Benghazi. The uncle? Had. No. Idea. What. He. Was. Talking. About. *headdesk*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 12, 2013 04:04 AM (da5Wo)

183 173 Sean Bannion,

Gabe is a stronger defense counsel for Obama than he ever was for Bush IMHO.

I'm done.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 04:04 AM (LRFds)

184 2016 Presidential candidates attend Christian event in DC tomorrow. Jeb Bush - FHim Marco Rubio - FHim Rand Paul - OK Ted Cruz - OK Paul Ryan - FHim Rick Santorum - Meh

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 12, 2013 04:04 AM (QXlbZ)

185 Well, if you want to let it burn-let it burn. You do realize of course, that we'll all be burning with it. It kind of like the wheat and the tares all mixed together. I think it's better to try to talk to them first.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2013 04:05 AM (iwHSQ)

186 The second story is alarming, but too vague and uncorroborated for me to take Ed Snowden's word for it Former-NSA whistleblowers have been saying for years that the data collection carried out by the NSA (1) targets communications entirely within our borders and (2) is blatantly unconstitutional. Those whistleblowers opted to leave the NSA and have spoken only in vague terms about their work there, and they still suffered consequences including home invasions, by alphabet-soup federal agencies. Read up on what they've said. Back issues of Wired have good info from those sources. Every text, every email, every phone call, every Google search, every photo uploaded or downloaded, every YouTube view, every web page access - the NSA has all of it, contents and metadata. The whistleblowers are some of the former staffers who figured out how to accomplish that, but they always worked under the assumption that the information would be used legally and constitutionally. When that turned out to be wrong, they resigned. One of them in a published interview responded to the oft-heard objection, "But we have nothing to worry about if we're not doing anything wrong". He said that the fallacy in that belief is that we think we're the ones who get to make the right vs wrong determination. However, with all the information the alphabet agencies have about us, should they decide to make some belief of ours or association of ours 'wrong', we're toast. The NSA is the party with the credibility problem here.

Posted by: crisis du jour at June 12, 2013 04:05 AM (pzuf7)

187 What the hell do the Norks and the Iranians need with nukes? They have the NSA and "Amnesty Int'l" (the GOP) doing their work for them.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 04:06 AM (+98Gb)

188 183 BC1981,

the NSA guys seem to be really good at getting data not really good at analysis of said data....

just the type of psychology easily subverted to the devil's handmaiden.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 04:06 AM (LRFds)

189 @165: Crays haven't been impressive since the 90s. All the leaders in the top supercomputer list now are just massive amounts of commodity hardware lashed together.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 12, 2013 04:06 AM (OevbG)

190 When oh when will enough people see it. As a whole, our Intel community, like our chief law enforcement agencies, are run and populated by ivy league indoctrinated global statists. They have sold their souls to the devil, drunk on power and content to live on the lavish scraps from the tables of their masters. They couldn't care less about the constitution, let alone your freedom. Their task is to serve and protect their masters.

Posted by: teej at June 12, 2013 04:07 AM (/BwGa)

191 187 The NSA is the party with the credibility problem here. Posted by: crisis du jour at June 12, 2013 08:05 AM (pzuf7) THIS - THIS - THIS. The players in this drama are just the shiny objects meant to distract. We are being spied on for the purposes of political oppression. Along with the IRS and every other damned agency of this illegitimate federal tyranny.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 04:08 AM (+98Gb)

192 Gabe is not the enemy. The facts are gonna be the facts. Just because he doesnt trust Snowden doesn't make him the enemy. --------------- True. Posting all those shitty pop music videos makes him the enemy.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 12, 2013 04:08 AM (4FWqA)

193 186 FenlonSpoke,

I don't....

the GOP who voted for this clusterfuck after running interference for Obama for the last 2.5 years needs to be the richest ant in the charcoal factory....

You don't add 10% or more of your population having NO deference or training in US civics at the drop of a hat if you give two fucks about the US Constitution and Bill of Rights....

now I know Chuck Schoomah has custom toilet paper with the Constitution printed on it....

what is the other 85 Senator's excuse?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 04:09 AM (LRFds)

194 I remember during the 80s watching donkeys demand the US only engage in tradecraft with "good people" WRT intel work on CSpan....

well sadly the types of people with the data and skillsets we often need to know what's going on ain't choir boys and girls....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 07:54 AM (LRFds)
==========

I wholeheartedly agree- 'nuff said.

Posted by: Nighthawk at June 12, 2013 04:09 AM (OtQXp)

195 A) I "assumed" the NSA was collecting Data on everyone, legally or illegally. So this is no shock to me B) Snowden is a punk C) obama is a liar, hypocrite, and arrogant bastard. And those are his good points. D) I got nothing to hide

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2013 04:10 AM (9Bj8R)

196 191 Teej,

indeed....the end.

Let it burn or tear it down b/c the Federal govt of the last 13 years is not particularly American or concerned with liberty as understood the last 240 years.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 04:10 AM (LRFds)

197 191 When oh when will enough people see it. As a whole, our Intel community, like our chief law enforcement agencies, are run and populated by ivy league indoctrinated global statists. They have sold their souls to the devil, drunk on power and content to live on the lavish scraps from the tables of their masters. They couldn't care less about the constitution, let alone your freedom. Their task is to serve and protect their masters. Posted by: teej at June 12, 2013 08:07 AM (/BwGa) YES. Nail on head. It's getting very warm in this here hot tub. How do you, my fellow frogs, feel?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 04:10 AM (+98Gb)

198 As a whole, our Intel community, like our chief law enforcement agencies, are run and populated by ivy league indoctrinated global statists. --------- Clapper: St. Mary's Univ., Texas - Univ. of Maryland, College Park They ain't all Ivy.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 12, 2013 04:11 AM (X6akg)

199 I gave you there excuse and so did teej below me. They are simply self interested so either you do nothing or you talk-by which I meanhit them at their self interest.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2013 04:11 AM (iwHSQ)

200 And Greece pulls the plug on its state run TV station. 2,900 now unemployed. I used to fear becoming Greece. Now, I look forward to it. #LetItBurn

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 12, 2013 04:11 AM (QXlbZ)

201 D) I got nothing to hide Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2013 08:10 AM (9Bj8R) http://www.threefeloniesaday.com/Youtoo/tabid/86/Default.aspx

Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 12, 2013 04:12 AM (da5Wo)

202

I am so gobsmacked that Boehner and so many in the GOP are willingly going along with this immigration reform deal. Something that will drastically change the fabric of this country and send us reeling fiscally. Something that will drive us hard left and leave the Republicans in smoldering ruins. WHY? Is it really as simple as "they are all the same?"

 

Or as simple as "they all believe their own shit."  There was a poster yesterday on one of the threads who said that, as a born and bred DC-er, they know that the governing class thinks of all of us (not just teabaggers) as barely-literate, inbred mouth-breathers. 

 

They're all Scotty Centerfold, drunk on power: "I'm all right, Jack!"  Add a little dash of "payback time, honky!" and you've got DC in a nutshell.

 

There are no "innocents" in government any more.  Hang.  Them.  All.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 12, 2013 04:13 AM (zF6Iw)

203 196 NeverGiveUp,

yeah well Gibson guitar in all likelihood "had nothing to hide" as well....

why do people even factor that in when they speak on this?

I would barely tolerate this abuse of power if I had total trusty in the ethical base of the occupants BECAUSE the Presidency in cyclical...Hell I WARNED people back when the Democrats were the butthurt on these matters that Bush won't be President forever and that my trust in the machine was on a single thread....

the IRS games broke it and it is not coming back.

I would not trust zombie Reagan with this power.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 04:13 AM (LRFds)

204 Gabe-

If the government is collecting my data and storing it they have effectively seized my personal papers without a warrant. They do not have to read them to have violated the Fourth Amendment.


Hasn't there been an admission that this is what is happening? Isn't the term metadata being used to obfuscate?

Posted by: typo dynamofo at June 12, 2013 04:14 AM (WVMUQ)

205

Who didn't suspect the NSA was doing this shit all along and act accordingly. All they've got on me is I'm a moron and like boobehs.

 

 

I'm not arguing for anything. I'm just tired and want to get past this to the shooting zombies in the face phase.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at June 12, 2013 04:15 AM (i7B17)

206 All those illegals will be signing up for welfare and Obamaphones just as the system completely collapses. This should be epic.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 12, 2013 04:16 AM (QXlbZ)

207 It's probably time for me to stop voting.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 12, 2013 04:17 AM (JQuNB)

208

Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 12, 2013 08:04 AM (da5Wo)

 

 

Analysts tend to get stuck in their 'lane' and exclude everything outside of it, especially if they are working on a big project.

 

 

 

I was a Signals Intelligence Analyst for the Army. Did a tour at Meade. Can No Such Agency capture all 'metadata' (we used to call them externals) without capturing the message? Sure, but I bet they are capturing the whole message. They just aren't reading them right now. Given half the chance they will. It is in the nature of the business to want to 'know' everything, especially after getting slammed for supposed intelligence failures.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at June 12, 2013 04:18 AM (ial2b)

209 I'm about to Jet for the day...

RDBrewer in the sidebar....

salute...

Sen Graham is gleeful in shitting on liberty and feels TOTALLY safe in so doing b/c he counts on the GOP base's rage at Obama and the Donks in keeping him in power....

Flush the toilet if need be vote straight ticket D to accelerate the timetable.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 04:18 AM (LRFds)

210 Pay very close attention to the exact words people use. Clapper, Obama, Holder etc - EVEN when they are precise to tell us something, they just might be lying (such as Clapper's testimony and the concept of "collect"), "for our own good." YET, they can tell us with absolute certainty that Snowden is lying about this or that. A bunch of liars, who have proven to us repeatedly that they will stomp on our rights whenever they fell like it, tell us to trust them, and to disbelieve this guy. Yeah, no thanks.

Posted by: Baldy at June 12, 2013 04:19 AM (tyDFN)

211 Elections have consequences. Anyone who sits home as a protest or is lazy is no friend of mine. And don't tell me Republicans suck, I know that. But they suck less than commie bastard liberal democrats.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2013 04:19 AM (9Bj8R)

212 I'd be even more concerned if the NSA has broken public-key encryption.

There's enough raw cycles available now to simply brute force the weaker stuff. 

A few years ago I read about some algorithmic weakness that was discovered too, but don't remember any of the details.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 12, 2013 04:20 AM (AlVd0)

213 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 04:20 AM (/PCJa)

214 Hasn't there been an admission that this is what is happening? Isn't the term metadata being used to obfuscate?

Posted by: typo dynamofo at June 12, 2013 08:14 AM (WVMUQ)


Depends upon what the meaning of "is" is in the context of your rights!

Posted by: BJ Clintoon at June 12, 2013 04:20 AM (Cnqmv)

215 Speaking of Katee Sackoff, who in the blue blazes decide that A) she could act and B) that she is hot?  She is doing a terrible job as Vic, the Holy Terror, on Longmire.  She can barely say her lines.  Frankly, unless she is playing a humanoid alien, I do not think she is even slightly pretty.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 12, 2013 04:20 AM (kXoT0)

216 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 04:20 AM (/PCJa)

217 212 NeverGiveUp,

then I'm about to be not your friend buddy....

If the GOP passes amnesty, refuses to hold Obarka accountable for anything and has ANY lever of power to stop this and doesn't then in a representative democracy sense I am culpable for their failure to stop this shit....

as iot stands I am about to drop out...

if the Grahams and McCains get too chest thumpy about shitting on the GOP base I will tune back in and vote straight ticket D to wreck the nation quicker.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 04:22 AM (LRFds)

218 I am so gobsmacked that Boehner and so many in the GOP are willingly going along with this immigration reform deal. Something that will drastically change the fabric of this country and send us reeling fiscally. Something that will drive us hard left and leave the Republicans in smoldering ruins. WHY? Is it really as simple as "they are all the same?" I just can't understand voting for your own suicide, and the suicide of the country you are leaving your own children and grandchildren. I just can't square that circle.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 12, 2013 07:57 AM (ovWeo)



I can't believe that, in the middle of the JEF bouncing from one scandal to another, Boehner wants to take him off the hook by passing something that he's been screaming for since Day 1.  This after having more experience than should be necessary, even to a lush who doesn't think straight, that the Indonesian is a fucking liar who can't be trusted.  Maybe he thinks he can separate the whole shitshow into little packets of turds that he can vote in individually and make them palatable toe everybody; my question is why even do this?  As if the JEF hasn't been proven to only enforce what he wants to do and ignore that which he doesn't like.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 12, 2013 04:23 AM (nHIEV)

219 There are no "innocents" in government any more. Hang. Them. All.

We'll be waiting patiently when the time for that comes

Posted by: The Lamp Posts at June 12, 2013 04:23 AM (AlVd0)

220 NGU: You may have nothing to hide, but what you don't hide may be used against you, in ways that you may never even realize. Scenario: A fellow moron/ette applies for a job somewhere. The NSA sees/knows that he/she follows this and other conservative blogs, donates to Tea Party candidates, is a member of the NRA, etc. The NSA then tells their buddies at the IRS to lean on your prospective employer to not hire you. See what I mean?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 04:23 AM (+98Gb)

221   Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 08:20 AM (/PCJa) 

 

 

Bounce the rubble as needed.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at June 12, 2013 04:23 AM (ial2b)

222 Speaking of Katee Sackoff, who in the blue blazes decide that A) she could act and B) that she is hot? She is doing a terrible job as Vic, the Holy Terror, on Longmire. She can barely say her lines. Frankly, unless she is playing a humanoid alien, I do not think she is even slightly pretty. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 12, 2013 08:20 AM (kXoT0) ---------------- The penis wants what the penis wants.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 12, 2013 04:23 AM (4FWqA)

223 223 Empire of Jeff,

which explains the GOP's current woes quite ably...

you be safe Jeff

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 04:24 AM (LRFds)

224 223 The penis wants what the penis wants. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 12, 2013 08:23 AM (4FWqA) In the words of Rick Derringer "Looking for something warm..."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 04:24 AM (+98Gb)

225 I think their is another cloture vote in the Senate, before a final majority vote.

Posted by: Jackj at June 12, 2013 04:25 AM (Yxwng)

226

Speaking of Katee Sackoff, who in the blue blazes decide that A) she could act and B) that she is hot? She is doing a terrible job as Vic, the Holy Terror, on Longmire. She can barely say her lines. Frankly, unless she is playing a humanoid alien, I do not think she is even slightly pretty.

 

----------------

 

She's pretty if you're a Sci Fi nerd who has never seen a woman outside of the illustrations in the Advanced D&D Handbook.

Posted by: @JohnTant at June 12, 2013 04:25 AM (eytER)

227 You may have nothing to hide, but what you don't hide may be used against you, in ways that you may never even realize. Scenario: A fellow moron/ette applies for a job somewhere. The NSA sees/knows that he/she follows this and other conservative blogs, donates to Tea Party candidates, is a member of the NRA, etc. The NSA then tells their buddies at the IRS to lean on your prospective employer to not hire you. See what I mean? Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 08:23 AM (+98Gb) I didn't say I was in favor of what they are doing, just that I am no surprised. And in any system, it's not the information available, but how those in charge use that information. And I surely don't trust either the Bureaucracy or those in power now.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2013 04:26 AM (9Bj8R)

228 The penis wants what the penis wants. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 12, 2013 08:23 AM (4FWqA) As my grandpa said not long ago "A bouncing dick and a twitching twat know no conscience."

Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 12, 2013 04:26 AM (da5Wo)

229 226 I think their is another cloture vote in the Senate, before a final majority vote. Posted by: Jackj at June 12, 2013 08:25 AM (Yxwng) Yesterday's vote was to open the debate.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 04:26 AM (+98Gb)

230 There's at least two Crays at NSA HQ. Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 07:58 AM (6T8Ay) Yeah but can they run Crysis?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 04:26 AM (VtjlW)

231 The cell phone metadata is arguably the most valuable portion--it tells them where you've been (and where), who you associate with regularly (or not so regularly), etc. For example, it can tell them if you're seeing someone on the side--and who it is.

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at June 12, 2013 04:26 AM (OY/SZ)

232 How about Ron Johnson of Wisconsin voting for cloture? A Tea Party favorite

Posted by: Jackj at June 12, 2013 04:26 AM (Yxwng)

233 Flush the toilet if need be vote straight ticket D to accelerate the timetable.

--

I'm in SC.  I voted for that crapweasel Graham in '08 just to help stem the Marxist tide I knew was rolling in.  I will not vote for him again.  If he's not primaried, and chances are probably slim, when the general comes around, I am seriously considering voting for the Democrat, as opposed to not voting at all.  There is nothing that sickens me more than someone the likes of Graham who remains a Republican when he is anything but. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 12, 2013 04:27 AM (ovWeo)

234 226 JackJ,

unless of course Searchlight Stalker plays procedural games as he has threatened to do nonstop....

I am gonna go see the insipid film "The Purge" and watch Hollywood accuse me of being a mass murderer at heart again....

Why?

Any time a liberal accuses the GOP of something he is simply telling youy what he would do given power.....

I'd like to know what the left's up to...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 04:27 AM (LRFds)

235 I deal with liars all day, every day.  It's my job.  I get lied to, by white-collar executives and accountants and businessmen.  I trade in lies and verification and degrees of disclosure and falsehood.  It's what I do. 

On the spectrum of truth, ranging from Saint on one end to Gaslight Mindfuck Operation on the other, these Obama assholes are ticking all the boxes.  Literally EVERY SINGLE THING THEY SAY AND DON'T SAY is an indicator of outright fraud and orchestrated deception. 

But sure, I'm paranoid.  I'm the lunatic.  I'm the disgusting canonizer who doesn't care what the truth is. 

Fuck right the fuck off. 

Posted by: Phinn at June 12, 2013 04:27 AM (oFH2D)

236

Elections have consequences. Anyone who sits home as a protest or is lazy is no friend of mine. And don't tell me Republicans suck, I know that. But they suck less than commie bastard liberal democrats.

 

Vote  Gen. Eric Republican 2016

 

We Suck Less!

 

I like it.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at June 12, 2013 04:27 AM (5kPex)

237 Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 08:22 AM (LRFds) I hear what your saying but the allowing the libs to gain an absolute majority in both houses is worse--you end up with crap like obamacare. It ain't a perfect world, ya just gotta do the best you can.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2013 04:27 AM (9Bj8R)

238 230. Right. But before they can proceed to a final vote, they need another cloture vote?

Posted by: Jackj at June 12, 2013 04:27 AM (Yxwng)

239 231 There's at least two Crays at NSA HQ. Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 07:58 AM (6T8Ay) Yeah but can they run Crysis? Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 08:26 AM (VtjlW) The NSA geeks are playing video games on crays? I bet that shit rocks.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 12, 2013 04:28 AM (da5Wo)

240

Vote Gen. Eric Republican 2016

 

I only loathe you somewhat.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at June 12, 2013 04:28 AM (5kPex)

241 Yeah... with this administration, I believe the burden of proof is now on them to prove they're not targeting US Citizens with PRISM. Or, rather (since that wasn't actually the allegation) that they do not have the power to so target them. BHO - Known liar. DNI Clapper - Known perjurer (that's what we call "lying under oath." I would give a little more credence to the companies themselves except: A) we already know these companies are in bed with the Democrats. Google, for instance, gave them access to a great deal of very private data. B) The companies' only correct answer is "nuh-uh, we don't do that." If it's the truth, then its the right answer because it's the truth. If it's not the truth, then it's the right answer because the truth would cause millions of Americans to remember, "You know, I was able to get along just fine before the internet existed." So, basically, we have two sides, neither of which is reliable. However, of those sides, we only know of one that lies (don't talk to me about the compensation thing, BAH also has every reason to make Snowden look bad, there are also plenty of benign explanations about why the reported number and the number given by BAH are not the same). Therefore, the onus must be on the side of the known liars to prove they are not lying. And the only way to do that is an independent council- but not one authorized by the Executive Branch, any of their findings would be suspect.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 04:28 AM (/PCJa)

242 Gibson Guitar did indeed have nothing to hide. They use the same wood as their untouched competitor and had all the documents to prove it legal. They screwed up and donated to Romney.

They were raided guns drawn like a drug operation. They paid a fine that their competition won't have to.

They did nothing wrong and were targeted. So can you be.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at June 12, 2013 04:28 AM (WVMUQ)

243 2016 is going to be a bloodbath for GOP one term Senators if Amnesty passes.

Ron Johnson, Ayotte, Kirk, Toomey, Rubio, Portman etc.. are all goners

Posted by: Jackj at June 12, 2013 04:29 AM (Yxwng)

244 Remember when we thought watching pr0n on their computers was the worst thing a Government employee could do?

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 12, 2013 04:30 AM (QXlbZ)

245 2016 is going to be a bloodbath for GOP one term Senators if Amnesty passes. If amnesty passes, a perpetual democrat lock on all branches of government is assured.

Posted by: zsasz at June 12, 2013 04:31 AM (MMC8r)

246

 

Vote Gen. Eric Republican 2016

 

At least we use lube.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at June 12, 2013 04:31 AM (5kPex)

247 234 Lady in Black,

Yup...Lindsay Graham acts in my name as part of a party I am a member in....when he acts the ass it is a mark against ME.....

that our opponents give themselves a pass for the impact of their party's shit "well MY democrat" is good doesn't mean I am playing that game anymore....

This GOP is not interested in defending liberty or stopping the destruction of the Republic if it were Graham and McCain and Rubio would shut the fuck up I will not support a GOP that supports the McCain gang....

I'll walk away and not vote....

a house GOP that empowers the McCain gang by ignoring the hastert rule will force me to vote straight ticket democrat to help the mules destroy America faster

I will not tolerate this leviathan being used for evil...

I'd rather fire the entire US military and aid the mules in bankrupting the nation and destroying our economy

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 04:31 AM (LRFds)

248 NGU, if you're still around, aren't you doing some work on recruiting GOP candidates in your neck of the woods?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 04:32 AM (/PCJa)

249 Let's be honest: the Republican brand is toxic. Liberals, moderates, and conservatives all agree on one thing: the Republican party sucks and we hate them. Amnesty is just the final nail in the coffin. So, let's just bury the thing and move on.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 12, 2013 04:32 AM (QXlbZ)

250 244 2016 is going to be a bloodbath for GOP one term Senators if Amnesty passes. Ron Johnson, Ayotte, Kirk, Toomey, Rubio, Portman etc.. are all goners Posted by: Jackj at June 12, 2013 08:29 AM (Yxwng) And what the fuck was Rand Paul thinking yesterday? I mean, what's to debate about this bill? He really should not be playing games and just voted "no." Would have helped burnish his credentials a bit more. Fucking guy. I want to like him but he has to stop doing this shit. Things are on a knife edge right now and it's time to take a stand.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 04:32 AM (+98Gb)

251 Gibson Guitar did indeed have nothing to hide. They use the same wood as their untouched competitor and had all the documents to prove it legal. They screwed up and donated to Romney. They were raided guns drawn like a drug operation. They paid a fine that their competition won't have to. They did nothing wrong and were targeted. So can you be. -------------------- I'd like to show my support, but their guitars are every bit as overpriced as Martins.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 12, 2013 04:32 AM (4FWqA)

252 My feeling on the Republican vote in the Senate for the Amnesty Bill is that they did it because that is what the "leadership" wants.


Remember that big post-election leadership meeting where they took the advice of the Rovian "experts" who lost the last two elections for them.  The deal was that "demographics" caused them to lose the election.  It had nothing to do with shitty and lackluster moderate candidates they pushed forward.


So now we must abosrb 10 to 30 million Democrat voters to win and election.  We here screamed first.  Later a number of experts came forward and said it will be the death of the GOP.


But nay, the "leadership" has spoken.  Only a few of the conservatives defied the leaders.  The leadership hates conservatives.


We will have to see what the House does on this but they have their own "leadership" problems. They are coming very close to the "fk you GOP" point for me.


The final straw will be the 2016 Primary voting rules and order.  That will be my break point.  If they keep it the way it is I will say goodby to the Republican Party.

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 04:33 AM (lZvxr)

253 Jeb Bush - FHim
Marco Rubio - FHim
Rand Paul - OK
Ted Cruz - OK
Paul Ryan - FHim
Rick Santorum - Meh

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 12, 2013 08:04 AM (QXlbZ)



I need Santorum to go the fuck away.  He's like a Huckabee from Pennsylvania.  He had his only decent run last year as one of the "anybody but Willard" candidates and even then creeped too many people out.  He's never even been that popular in his own state.  Keeping him around is a big mistake and if the GOP had anybody not suffering from permanent limpdickitis they'd tell him to fuck off.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 12, 2013 04:33 AM (nHIEV)

254 The cell phone metadata is arguably the most valuable portion--it tells them where you've been (and where), who you associate with regularly (or not so regularly), etc.

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at June 12, 2013 08:26 AM (OY/SZ)

The metadata is used for indexing.  It's the card catalog, to help you locate the important stuff that's still out there.

They have all the calls recorded, too.  It's just too expensive to listen to them.  So, they collect the metadata so they can go back later and use the more scarce manpower to listen to the calls they want to listen to. 

Posted by: Phinn at June 12, 2013 04:33 AM (oFH2D)

255 If Snowden is lying, then he is a fabulist who can peddle his story on Coast to Coast without worry. Instead he is about to be indicted for leaking national security secrets. If Clapper had nothing to hide, he would not lie. It is that simple.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2013 04:33 AM (c28BI)

256 247 Vote Gen. Eric Republican 2016 At least we use lube. Posted by: Lurking Canuck at June 12, 2013 08:31 AM (5kPex) Ben Gay and Tiger Balm are NOT lube.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 04:33 AM (+98Gb)

257 250 Let's be honest: the Republican brand is toxic. Liberals, moderates, and conservatives all agree on one thing: the Republican party sucks and we hate them. Amnesty is just the final nail in the coffin. So, let's just bury the thing and move on. Yep.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 12, 2013 04:33 AM (JQuNB)

258 If amnesty passes, a perpetual democrat lock on all branches of government is assured. Only until the state collapses completely, which shouldn't take long. There is an upside to Amnesty.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 12, 2013 04:34 AM (QXlbZ)

259 You may have nothing to hide, but what you don't hide may be used against you, in ways that you may never even realize. Let me reiterate: Prosecutors believe that they should be able to get any information they want, any time they want, in any manner they want, in order to prosecute anyone for anything at any time. A corollary to that is those who work in national security want to be able to get any information they want, at any time they want, in any manner they want, without telling anyone about it at any point in order to make national security decisions. If you bear that in mind when reviewing what appear to be odd and inconsistent positions being put forth by those who otherwise allege to believe in conservative principles, it tends to sharpen the issues quite nicely.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 04:34 AM (VtjlW)

260 You seem to think that we have enough information to believe either Clapper or Snowden. I don't think that's the case at all. I think we have enough information to be skeptical.

If Snowden wasn't telling the truth - why would the Feds be looking for him? For exposing something that doesn't exist?

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at June 12, 2013 04:34 AM (ylhEn)

261 NGU, if you're still around, aren't you doing some work on recruiting GOP candidates in your neck of the woods? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 08:32 AM (/PCJa) If I am still around? Where am I going? I am not really recruiting anyone to run, if that is what you mean. Just talking up the cause, especially after a few drinks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2013 04:34 AM (9Bj8R)

262 259 If amnesty passes, a perpetual democrat lock on all branches of government is assured. Only until the state collapses completely, which shouldn't take long. There is an upside to Amnesty. Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 12, 2013 08:34 AM (QXlbZ) There is another upside: all the guns we sent south of the border during Fast and Furious will come back north. WIN!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 04:35 AM (+98Gb)

263 And what the fuck was Rand Paul thinking yesterday? I mean, what's to debate about this bill? I think Republicans are still running scared from the "obstructionist Republican" label. Which explains, but does not excuse, the "yes" votes. For some reason, they seem completely unable to grasp that their constituents want obstruction. We know they're not going to be able actually to pass anything, so their job is just to make sure that things don't get worse. Considering the destructive nature of Amnesty, the only way to do that is to oppose it at every turn. Put holds on it in committee. Vote "no" to open debate. Vote "no" to close debate. If that doesn't work, stand up and give a real, honest to God filibuster.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 04:35 AM (/PCJa)

264 I see Graham pointing and laughing, knowing we'll have no other place to cast our votes.  So he's free to do as he damn well pleases.  No effing more.  It's got to stop.  There's the lesser of two evils.  Then there's Graham, who goes against nearly everything I'm for and vice-versa.  I'm done.  All of this is, of course, moot should amnesty pass.  We'll be done anyway.  And I say that with zero percent melodrama.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 12, 2013 04:36 AM (ovWeo)

265 >>If Clapper had nothing to hide, he would not lie. >>It is that simple. Of course he has stuff to hide. He runs what is probably the most secret agency in the US government. The question is is he doing stuff on his own or is he taking orders from the WH?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 04:36 AM (g1DWB)

266 IRS wants to know our prayers; HHS wants protection money;  NSA is spying on all of us; Obama has a drone hit list;  EPA uses secret emails to hide what they are doing;  Michelle wears wigs and tells us that is her real hair, when we have seen her real hair; EPA gives personal info on farmers & ranchers to leftist thugs; DOJ allows Black Panthers to physically prevent people from voting; Treasury closes GOP car dealerships, unilaterally changes bankruptcy law to help unions; Holder runs guns to Mexicn thugs, Mexicans & Americans are killed with said guns; Obama tells us our premiums will go down. Now, they tell us "TRUST US," we are just spying on the bad guys, and there are checks and balances. As it is now, IMO, the govt is guilty. They have to prove their innocence.

Posted by: Baldy at June 12, 2013 04:37 AM (tyDFN)

267 If I am still around? Where am I going? Sometimes some of the 'rons and 'ettes drop off for a few minutes to a couple of hours what with working at work, or errands, or whatever. I am not really recruiting anyone to run, if that is what you mean Huh. I thought you were. Were you the one who worked on someone's campaign last year?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 04:37 AM (/PCJa)

268 The question is is he doing stuff on his own or is he taking orders from the WH? Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 08:36 AM (g1DWB) He's a lap dog. Has probably been an ass kisser his entire career. He takes orders and then says " Sir, may I have another"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2013 04:37 AM (9Bj8R)

269 260 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 08:34 AM (VtjlW) Your post confuses me. I have no issue with intelligence agencies gathering as much information as they can. Just target the enemies of the country who seek to do us harm. The problem is this NSA/administration sees the American people as the enemy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 04:38 AM (+98Gb)

270 More shit for Al Bore to whine about. Methinks we will be hearing a lot about CO wildfires today, tomorrow, however long it's a plausible distraction from the cesspool of Federal politics. I also believe we will be incriminated as co-conspirators because global warm...global climate change. Here's what you won't hear: The Rockies et al have been devastated by an invasion of the Asian Pine Beetle. And I mean devastated. I grew up out there, and went back 2 years ago and couldn't believe what had happened to the front range. What should have been emerald green, was all grey, w/dead, standing pine trees* as far as I could see. Virtually the entire 70 corridor was affected to a greater or lesser extent. My wife got to talking with a guy hauling dead trees on his 18 wheeler. He said they had a 20 year contract for dead tree removal, and he didn't think that they would make a dent in the problem. *Dead standing trees are THE best source of tinder quality wood. IOW, HIGHLY flammable.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 12, 2013 04:38 AM (qpah5)

271 268 AllenG,

that's TrumanNorth IIRC Allen....

I'll be in DFW next month probably....

maybe we can meet at Texas Jack's...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 04:38 AM (LRFds)

272 Tami I think it was? ( Sorry) They may not all be ivy league but there is a common, um, association, that the puppets either are members of or have been members of. An association who's stated goal is global govt. Yeah, I know, way out there, wacky conspiracy stuff. Maybe with everything that has come out recently a couple of people will at least take a look.

Posted by: teej at June 12, 2013 04:38 AM (xDlyw)

273 If I am still around? Where am I going? Sometimes some of the 'rons and 'ettes drop off for a few minutes to a couple of hours what with working at work, or errands, or whatever. I am not really recruiting anyone to run, if that is what you mean Huh. I thought you were. Were you the one who worked on someone's campaign last year? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 08:37 AM (/PCJa) Well yeah I do have patients. And no I was not working for anyone. Navy takes most of my free time

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2013 04:38 AM (9Bj8R)

274 let it burn

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 12, 2013 04:39 AM (8JJ6O)

275 Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 08:38 AM (LRFds) Oh, whoops. Not having faces to go with names makes remembering some of this stuff a little difficult. Let me know when- I'm out of State starting the last week of July (visiting the wife's family in MI).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 04:39 AM (/PCJa)

276 "She lost 100K friends because they wanted her to say that there should be no guns out there." Heh. "Friends." Easy come, easy go. "They weren't really your friends." (What is that line from? Arlo maybe?) Meanwhile my daughter works on building friends among mis-taught young folk, one conversation at a time. Note: you'll find folks are more likely to see your side if you carefully couch a pointed question than if you make a blunt declaration. Ah. Coffee's ready. Now we'll see some serious $#!+.

Posted by: a mindful webworker before coffee at June 12, 2013 04:40 AM (6B4ha)

277 Well if the Ft. Meade BX sells out of XBox Ones you will know where they went.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 04:40 AM (Oql7F)

278 We know they're not going to be able actually to pass anything, so their job is just to make sure that things don't get worse
--

At the very least, Boehner could at least pull a Reid and say it's not up for discussion now.  Cite the dismal economy, the high unemployment, the struggling American, the insurmountable debt we're leaving our kids.  How obstructionist can they seem if they couch it in such a way that even the lowest of LIV's can relate to.  For crissakes, the political optics should be child's play.  But the GOP sucks...

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 12, 2013 04:41 AM (ovWeo)

279 I'd like to show my support, but their guitars are every bit as overpriced as Martins. I've been a Fender guy since my first guitar at age 12, but I fully support Gibson on this.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 12, 2013 04:41 AM (7ObY1)

280 He's a Chinese mole, this is a front to get him out of the country. His girl friend sure is hot though.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 12, 2013 04:41 AM (wR+pz)

281 Well folks, I need to do some outside work today before the arrival of the high winds and heavy seas. Be good today.

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 04:41 AM (lZvxr)

282 His girl friend sure is hot though. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 12, 2013 08:41 AM (wR+pz) Now there is something we can all agree on. But I got first dibs on her

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2013 04:42 AM (9Bj8R)

283 Here is a question I ask in all seriousness.

People who are here illegally are presumably either paying taxes already (and the government doesn't check their status, big surprise) OR they are not paying taxes,  due to not being stupid and getting cash payments which gives them more work,  OR not paying taxes because they are involved in an illegal activity.

If they become legal,  and on a pathway to citizenship or whatever they call it,  why would we think they will suddenly start paying taxes?  Of what advantage is that to them?

I do not see how we will collect one more dime from making a bunch of illegals legal.

Is there something I am missing here?

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 12, 2013 04:42 AM (GoIUi)

284 Be good today. I think we've just been insulted. Later, Vic.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 04:42 AM (/PCJa)

285 I'm sorry, Gabe, while I do appreciate the reminder to be skeptical of Snowden, I am left with the impression that you are inclined to believe that erstwhile public servants are acting in good faith. I find this shockingly naive.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at June 12, 2013 07:39 AM (Gk3SS)


If find gabe not just naive, it's stupid and possibly intentional misleading.

The IRS horror exposed government.  They have no honesty.


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 12, 2013 04:43 AM (AWmfW)

286 279 Posted by: Lady in Black at June 12, 2013 08:41 AM (ovWeo) CryBaby said to George Snuffleupagus that Amnesty was #1 on the House agenda. Not the economy, not anything else. Even Ray Charles, blind, dead and 6 feet under can see what that means.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 04:43 AM (+98Gb)

287 Ben Gay and Tiger Balm are NOT lube.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

 

Vote Gen. Eric Republican 2016

 

Hey, you said you wanted The Burning Times, right?

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at June 12, 2013 04:43 AM (BrQrN)

288 Hey AlextheChick, going to try for the July Camp NaNoWriMo?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 04:44 AM (Oql7F)

289

Looks like Pat Caddell has joined the civil war inevitable crowd.

http://tinyurl.com/qxvdl5x

Posted by: maddogg at June 12, 2013 04:44 AM (OlN4e)

290 I know Clapper has lied.  I don't know that Snowden has lied.  Yet, according to Gabe, I'm supposed to take a known perjurer's word over someone who isn't known to lie?

Logic, it isn't just a river in Egypt.

Posted by: IpoopBlood at June 12, 2013 04:44 AM (sykiw)

291 >>He's a lap dog. Has probably been an ass kisser his entire career. He takes orders and then says " Sir, may I have another" My belief as well. So then the focus should not be on Clapper, he's just a tool. The focus should be where the orders came from and that is 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Personally, I think Clapper is incompetent. He knew a day in advance that he was going to be questioned by Wyden as to whether or not the NSA was collecting US citizens information and instead of being prepared he lied to Congress. How fucking dumb do you have to be to do that? He could have simply said "Senator, questions of tactics are not appropriate for discussion in open session and should be discussed with the relevant intelligence committees in closed door session". It would have sucked for us since we wouldn't have known what we now do but jaysus, this guy is supposed to be one of our top spies and with a days notice he still screwed the pooch.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 04:45 AM (g1DWB)

292 281 He's a Chinese mole, this is a front to get him out of the country. His girl friend sure is hot though. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 12, 2013 08:41 AM (wR+pz) The individual players in this are a diversion. The real issue is the NSA and our own government intending to spy on us in order to control us. Everything else, while important, is a very secondary matter IMHO.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 04:45 AM (+98Gb)

293 Is there something I am missing here? No. Indeed, it will be a net drain. They'll continue working for cash under the table, and they'll report just enough that they are then eligible for EIC and a whole host of other benefits. People here illegally have already proven they have no respect for the law. Even the ones supposedly paying FICA taxes are only doing so via identity fraud.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 04:45 AM (/PCJa)

294

The penis wants what the penis wants.


Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 12, 2013 08:23 AM (4FWqA)

 



As my grandpa said not long ago "A bouncing dick and a twitching twat know no conscience."

 

Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 12, 2013 08:26 AM (da5Wo)

 

My old graddaddy used to say, "You don't have to look at the mantlepiece when you're poking the fire."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 12, 2013 04:45 AM (zF6Iw)

295 288 Hey, you said you wanted The Burning Times, right? Posted by: Lurking Canuck at June 12, 2013 08:43 AM (BrQrN) The Fistula ain't a river in Poland...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 04:46 AM (+98Gb)

296 Is there something I am missing here? Yes. The Byzantine language of the current bill. Jeebus. Go to C-Span and listen to sessions rail about it. It's far, far worse than anyone can imagine. My take is that it is pretty much intended to be read in every way possible so that thaere will be NO restrictions at our borders.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 12, 2013 04:46 AM (659DL)

297 The argument seems to be because the 4th amendment says "papers" and not metadata, nothin' to see here! Never mind the next part that says: AND NO WARRANTS SHALL ISSUE, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. The court orders demanding wholesale metadata isn't a "warrant"? Bullshit. The people like Gabe who insist on giving the statists the benefit of the doubt on matters until proven otherwise are every bit the enemy the left is. They are the "respectable conservatives", the opposition the left l

Posted by: Tiglon at June 12, 2013 04:47 AM (Do4Ly)

298 My take is that it is pretty much intended to be read in every way possible so that thaere will be NO restrictions at our borders. And, yet, I will still need to apply for a passport if I want to go to (and return from) Canada. F*ck this government. It no longer has legitimacy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 04:48 AM (/PCJa)

299 The individual players in this are a diversion. The real issue is the NSA and our own government intending to spy on us in order to control us. Everything else, while important, is a very secondary matter IMHO. THIS^^^^. 1000X this. I refuse to play into the media/government complex's distractions.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 12, 2013 04:48 AM (7ObY1)

300 #292  I think Clapper is incompetent,  too.  I keep going back to that televised interview where he didn't know about the terror attacks in Britain which had happened like 6 hours before the interview (on national TV with Diane Sawyer).


Posted by: Miss Marple at June 12, 2013 04:48 AM (GoIUi)

301 294 Allen G,

Well it may have to be the fall I will be around in late july....

Voting straight ticket D and cheating while taking their aid may be the patriotic thing to do....

I know the GOP as rendered is not defending the Bill of Rights or US Sovereignty.....

if 30 million guys named Juan game the system and are rewarded for it it is time to emulate the "greatest undocumented Americans"

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 04:49 AM (LRFds)

302 The argument seems to be because the 4th amendment says "papers" and not metadata, nothin' to see here! Never mind the next part that says: AND NO WARRANTS SHALL ISSUE, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. The court orders demanding wholesale metadata isn't a "warrant"? Bullshit. The people like Gabe who insist on giving the statists the benefit of the doubt on matters until proven otherwise are every bit the enemy the left is. They are the "respectable conservatives", the opposition the left loves because they fall for the obfuscation shell game, every damn time. It is so easy to make a "reasonable" man like Gabe agree with the statists, just say "terrorist terrorist terrorist", "there are safeguards", and "that whistleblower is just a liar who wants fame anyway!" Gabe can't wait to hop on the statist train when he hears those stupid excuses. Chooooo Chooooo!

Posted by: Tiglon at June 12, 2013 04:49 AM (Do4Ly)

303 267 IRS wants to know our prayers; HHS wants protection money; NSA is spying on all of us; Obama has a drone hit list; EPA uses secret emails to hide what they are doing; Michelle wears wigs and tells us that is her real hair, when we have seen her real hair; EPA gives personal info on farmers ranchers to leftist thugs; DOJ allows Black Panthers to physically prevent people from voting; Treasury closes GOP car dealerships, unilaterally changes bankruptcy law to help unions; Holder runs guns to Mexicn thugs, Mexicans Americans are killed with said guns; Obama tells us our premiums will go down. Now, they tell us "TRUST US," we are just spying on the bad guys, and there are checks and balances. As it is now, IMO, the govt is guilty. They have to prove their innocence.

Posted by: Baldy at June 12, 2013 08:37 AM (tyDFN)


Exactly , the tyranny is massive. It's not Snowden who needs second guessing right now. His story is just follows what already has happened.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 12, 2013 04:50 AM (AWmfW)

304 I see Graham pointing and laughing, knowing we'll have no other place to cast our votes. So he's free to do as he damn well pleases. No effing more. It's got to stop. There's the lesser of two evils. Then there's Graham, who goes against nearly everything I'm for and vice-versa. I'm done. All of this is, of course, moot should amnesty pass. We'll be done anyway. And I say that with zero percent melodrama.

 

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 12, 2013 08:36 AM (ovWeo)

 

Ever since Ronaldus Maximus (PBUH), I've had to hold my nose and eat a shit sandwich served up on a platter by the GOP because, "who else you gonna vote for?"  No more.  Romney was the last bite.  Nominate a Christie, a Rubio or a Bush, and you can forget about my vote.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 12, 2013 04:50 AM (zF6Iw)

305 he didn't know about the terror attacks in Britain The DNI is an LIV. TOP MEN.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 12, 2013 04:50 AM (659DL)

306 290 Looks like Pat Caddell has joined the civil war inevitable crowd. http://tinyurl.com/qxvdl5x Posted by: maddogg at June 12, 2013 08:44 AM (OlN4e) Amazing how both he and Chris Matthews both came out of the Carter administration.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 04:50 AM (+98Gb)

307 306 TOP MEN. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 12, 2013 08:50 AM (659DL) Barney Frank likes him some Top Men...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 04:51 AM (+98Gb)

308 I'm hoping that Greg Gutfeld will add "metadata" to his list of banned phrases pronto.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 12, 2013 04:51 AM (7ObY1)

309 WASHINGTON (AP) — More Americans are quitting their jobs, suggesting many are growing more confident in the job market.




No matter what the news is comrades, it's good economic news


For example, for the past two years net job gains have averaged about 180,000 per month. But much that gain reflects a decline in layoffs, rather than more overall hiring.



I suppose that's great economic news too

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 12, 2013 04:52 AM (1Jaio)

310
Gabe can't wait to hop on the statist train when he hears those stupid excuses. Chooooo Chooooo!

It's like that "Who goes nazi?" Article linked in the ONT.

Posted by: Wolves at June 12, 2013 04:52 AM (sxq57)

311 305 No more. Romney was the last bite. Nominate a Christie, a Rubio or a Bush, and you can forget about my vote. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 12, 2013 08:50 AM (zF6Iw) I hate to say it, but I might have to go along with you if G-d forbid that happens... AGAIN.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 04:52 AM (+98Gb)

312 Ever since Ronaldus Maximus (PBUH) Here's an activity I did over the weekend. Go watch, say Reagan's 1984 SOTU speech. Then compare it with whatever it was that you know who delivered this year. LESS THAN THREE DECADES. We're not slouching towards Gommorrah, we're on the most ironic high speed rail line imaginable.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 12, 2013 04:53 AM (659DL)

313 Logic, it isn't just a river in Egypt.

Posted by: IpoopBlood at June 12, 2013 08:44 AM (sykiw)


It crosses the boarders into Guam.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 12, 2013 04:54 AM (AWmfW)

314 OK, children, got meetings to prep for.  See you all later.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 12, 2013 04:54 AM (zF6Iw)

315 It isn't either or. I completely accept that Clapper is lying to me. I also accept Snowden is at least exaggerating his access and capabities for his own reasons. We do not know everything and its too early to become irrevocably entrenched in a position. Its most likely we should have a healthy dose of skepticism about all the players here.

Posted by: thunderb at June 12, 2013 04:54 AM (srUtv)

316 [/i Even that doesn't help. PGP stands for Pretty Good Privacy. NSA stands for We Can Decrypt Any Shit You Can Build, I Mean What Do You Think We Do?
Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 07:56 AM (g1DWB)

Source? Are they running quantum computers or something?

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 07:57 AM (X4HxX)[/i]


Amazingly there are no confirmed public sources of NSA capability.

The only statement I can make is: If I were to say that the NSA has decryption techniques which have not been released in any paper on decryption I would not be lying. 

The only safe assumption to make is that the NSA can crack anything an individual can encrypt.


Posted by: [/i] An Observation at June 12, 2013 04:54 AM (ylhEn)

317 She's pretty if you're a Sci Fi nerd who has never seen a woman outside of the illustrations in the Advanced DD Handbook.

Posted by: @JohnTant at June 12, 2013 08:25 AM (eytER)

That was my point.  I am a big SciFi fan and I can see her as an alien, but, trying to play a real woman, not so much?  Especially, a character that is supposed to be a smoldering hot Italian super cop from Philadelphia who has relocated to Absaroka county.  I hate bad casting.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 12, 2013 04:54 AM (kXoT0)

318 Joe Biden went nearly full Biden at a fundraiser for Democratic Representative Ed Markey tonight, covering everything from gun control to Al Gore to the "two freshman senators" that he just can't believe anyone listens to.

“IÂ’m not talking about the character or even the quality of the minds of the people IÂ’m going to mention. But the last thing in the world we need now is someone who will go down to the United States Senate and support Ted Cruz, support the new senator from Kentucky -- or the old senator from Kentucky. Think about this,” he said. “Have you ever seen a time when two freshman senators are able to cower the bulk of the Republican Party in the Senate? That is not hyperbole.”




How dare they not be good Quisling Republicans like McLame. Oh and fuck you Joey


Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 12, 2013 04:54 AM (1Jaio)

319 Have a good day MPPP, working on story skeleton.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 04:55 AM (Oql7F)

320 What this Country needs is a good bloodletting, and I don't mean what goes down in Chicago every day. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 12, 2013 04:55 AM (wbmaj)

321

So speaking of Shamnesty...

 

Just received the quarterly Alumni Association newsletter from my Alma Mater.  The entire thing was crowing about how the school is achieving "educational equity" by implementing resident tuition for illegal aliens...sorry, "undocumented students."

 

Outrage is too soft a word for what I'm feeling about any of this.

Posted by: @JohnTant at June 12, 2013 04:55 AM (eytER)

322 Your post confuses me. I have no issue with intelligence agencies gathering as much information as they can. Just target the enemies of the country who seek to do us harm. The problem is this NSA/administration sees the American people as the enemy. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 08:38 AM (+98Gb) Having just been bitchy about being startlingly naive, I shall now expose my own naivete. It's not that those who work at the NSA, or in national security in general, view Americans as the enemy. It's that everyone everywhere is viewed as a potential enemy and/or link to a potential enemy. Look, this is basic human nature. If I am tasked with reviewing data in order to make connections, I am going to want to get my hands on every single solitary bit of data that I can. After all, decisions are only as good as the information on which they are based. So I have to make decisions, important decisions with actual life and death consequences. Over there is a whole bunch of data that will assist me in making those decisions. Unfortunately, there's a wall built all around that data. I am going to rage at the wall because now I'm getting yelled at because my decisions are bad but the person yelling at me is also the one who built the wall. That's frustrating, to put it mildly. So I'm sitting outside the wall, fuming that I am being yelled at for not looking at the data that I've been told I can't look at. What happens? Someone sidles up next to me and whispers "Hey. You do know all that data goes behind the wall via that pipe over there, right? You do know that we can tap that pipe on this side of the wall and get a look at it, right?" What do you think nearly every single human being on the planet is going to do? It is also human nature that when one's hand is caught in the cookie jar, one blames a younger sibling and/or the dog as needed.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 04:55 AM (VtjlW)

323 For example, for the past two years net job gains have averaged about
180,000 per month. But much that gain reflects a decline in layoffs,
rather than more overall hiring.

Yes, most companies are scraping by with the absolute minimum staff. 

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 12, 2013 04:56 AM (kXoT0)

324 Voting straight ticket D and cheating while taking their aid may be the patriotic thing to do.... As much as I'd like to... I can't give up hope, yet. I want to burn down the political institutions of government. I want to scatter them so far over the political landscape that no one could tell they had ever been political institutions. I want to salt the metaphorical earth so they cannot be rebuilt. But, for me, the Burning Times will mean war- and that war will be very, very costly for me. Among other things, I won't let my kids get caught in it, so my wife has instructions to flee to safety. For another, both of my brothers are on the Other Side.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 04:56 AM (/PCJa)

325 When Graham eventually gets voted out he will land a job with some deep pockets and be making scores of millions. Betrayal at his level isn't cheap.
Anyone here who doesn't get that the Republican party is part of the chaos and advancing police state needs to sit down and contemplate the complicity.

Posted by: Beto at June 12, 2013 04:56 AM (VWfCN)

326 The only safe assumption to make is that the NSA can crack anything an individual can encrypt.

If that article/paper about large primes being sparse, but not infinitely so, is right, then we're screwed.  Insufficiently sparse large primes would allow brute force breaking of most of todays encryption.

Posted by: Wolves at June 12, 2013 04:57 AM (sxq57)

327 I'm trying to organize a "Million Pissed Off White Guys March" for later this summer.  I will provide beer, hard hats, t-shirts, etc. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 12, 2013 04:57 AM (wbmaj)

328 Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 12, 2013 08:52 AM (1Jaio) Man, one of these days they're going to increase our chocolate ration right out of existence.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 04:58 AM (/PCJa)

329 Nominate a Christie, a Rubio or a Bush, and you can forget about my vote. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 12, 2013 08:50 AM (zF6Iw) Yup, count me out, too. Yeah, and I know the party loyalists will whine and keen that I'm a "purist" just because I refuse to eat their next sandwich de merde, but frankly, I no longer care.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 12, 2013 04:58 AM (QXlbZ)

330 The faces of NSA:  Goober Klapper and Hipster Snowden.

This is not inspiring confidence in our intelligence system.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 12, 2013 04:58 AM (GoIUi)

331 Posted by: An Observation at June 12, 2013 08:54 AM (ylhEn) Well, they'd be counting on us having the tech, but the Russians not having the tech, since they use the same encryption techniques. I'd cast this as doubtful.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 04:59 AM (X4HxX)

332 Speaking of super computers, in May, Tulsa unvieled the world's first public access super computer, Tandy Community Supercomputer.  It is supposed to help entrepreneurs develop ideas, products, etc.

http://tinyurl.com/k95vtld

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 12, 2013 04:59 AM (kXoT0)

333

Yo.

 

In the latest "make the sequester hurt" news, the local Commissary will be closed Mon and Tues.

 

The canceled the May case lot sale.

 

Yeh, I'm sure this is saving gazillions...

 

Should I go to DU or somewhere and claim that the administration is trying to benefit Walmart by making me shop there??

Posted by: Mama AJ at June 12, 2013 04:59 AM (SUKHu)

334 Sorry, jumping in late and this is going to be a bit lengthy. Leahy's gay partners amendment was first brought up in committee but withdrawn because it was a poison pill even for the committee to consider. So he didn't formally offer it in order for the bill to get through committee. He has filed it again now that the Senate is considering it, and it remains to be seen whether it gets a vote. As for cloture, yesterday cloture on the motion to proceed to the bill was agreed to 82-15 and the motion to proceed was agreed to 84-15. That just means that they agreed to debate the bill (the game thing happened with the gun control bill a few months back). The main argument for a number of GOP Senators as to why they voted yea is that it's important to debate the issue and they can vote to stop it later. There will be another cloture vote on the bill itself when Harry Reid decides to try to wrap things up in about 3 weeks or so. If cloture is invoked at that time, then it's a simple majority vote for passage. You should also expect that most of the amendments that the Senate will vote on will have 60-vote thresholds. It's like having a cloture vote on the amendment without actually filing cloture on each amendment. In the past the 60-vote threshold was done only for the really controversial amendments but these days it's almost more common than simple majority votes for amendments. Once again, sorry for the length.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 12, 2013 05:00 AM (u8ZVh)

335 Kind of funny how 'Maverick' McCain is now the epitome of the Washington Insider and proud of it.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 12, 2013 05:00 AM (QXlbZ)

336
No matter what the news is comrades, it's good economic news

--

I listen to Chris Plante streaming most mornings.  He's on an ABC radio station, so I get their news at the top of the hour.  They're always painting a rosy picture on the economy.  A couple days ago, they cited some figure because it was falling (translation: bad), but the announcer quickly buoyed his voice and said it was nowhere near as low as it had been at its lowest (translation: good!).  Happy days are here again, the skies above are clear again....!

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 12, 2013 05:00 AM (ovWeo)

337 What is alarming is that the government is collecting this data, to begin with. Start there. The current arguments by many conservatives accept the mistaken premise that the government has the right to collect data on anyone, anywhere, to begin with.

Posted by: RedNeckParadise at June 12, 2013 05:01 AM (klGLB)

338 On WZ, Lindsey Graham says NSA has way more data than Snowden revealed. And he thinks that's awesome, of course.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 12, 2013 05:01 AM (OevbG)

339 That was my point. I am a big SciFi fan and I can see her as an alien, but, trying to play a real woman, not so much? Especially, a character that is supposed to be a smoldering hot Italian super cop from Philadelphia who has relocated to Absaroka county. I hate bad casting.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 12, 2013 08:54 AM (kXoT0)



She's had one major role on a series where she had to look and act butch.  That didn't help.   On Longmire, she's almost playing the same kind of character again:  a tough girl figure.


When she's not playing the tough, butch girl character, she cleans up quite nicely.

Posted by: EC at June 12, 2013 05:03 AM (GQ8sn)

340 On Monday afternoon, Beck had former NSA departmental directors/whistleblowers as guests on his TV show. He asked if the current NSA tactics were going on under W. The answer was a point-blank "yes." That's correct. The problem is that the Obamanites have ramped up the program to eleventy. And it has been used to target political enemies more than terrorists. Plus, Obama & co. specifically railed against the program during the 2008 campaign. Their excuse that Bush did it? It's like saying "Bush trimmed your fingernails, so when Obama hacked off your hand with a meat cleaver it was just a continuation of Bush's policies." It's a common defense used by Democrats -- and with the help of the media it works every time.

Posted by: Ed Anger at June 12, 2013 05:03 AM (tOkJB)

341 339 On WZ, Lindsey Graham says NSA has way more data than Snowden revealed. And he thinks that's awesome, of course. Posted by: Ian S. at June 12, 2013 09:01 AM (OevbG) But Snowden doesn't have a college degree! And he left his stripper gf! WHAT A LIAR!

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:03 AM (X4HxX)

342

Attention AOSHQ NSA monitoring drone,  please pass this message on to Peter King and Lindsay Graham:

 

Go fuck each other, you statist pieces of shit.

 

That is all.

Posted by: Jaws at June 12, 2013 05:03 AM (4I3Uo)

343

>>As much as I'd like to... I can't give up hope, yet.

 

I mentioned this once as a thread died...

 

Remembering the ChickfilA buycott, I think there should be a Tea-Day, that is a day when everybody donates to Tea Party groups without giving a rat's tail whether it's tax deductible or not.

 

In addition to getting money to TP groups, it would be like a rude hand gesture to the RINOs in DC.

 

And who doesn't like a good rude hand gesture?

Posted by: Mama AJ at June 12, 2013 05:04 AM (SUKHu)

344 >>The only statement I can make is: If I were to say that the NSA has decryption techniques which have not been released in any paper on decryption I would not be lying.The only safe assumption to make is that the NSA can crack anything an individual can encrypt. It really goes well beyond that. Aside from being the most advanced code breaking agency in the world, these guys operate their own code breaking museum for craps sake, the NSA has also been involved in actually writing public encryption technology. Familiar with DES and Triple DES? Industry cream of the crop too long ago and used ubiquitously across industry. NSA was one of the authors of that encryption technology. You don't need to break what you helped invent. The NSA has long been involved in public encryption technology.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 05:04 AM (g1DWB)

345 This sounds like the kind of Government that would happily vaccinate its citizens against all forms of cancer (were such a vaccine available), provided you accept insertion of a new NSA RFID tag. For the children.

Posted by: [/i][/b]akula_51 at June 12, 2013 05:04 AM (Vgn84)

346 mama aj great idea.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 12, 2013 05:05 AM (8JJ6O)

347 323 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 08:55 AM (VtjlW) Okay, I see what you're getting at but I think we're just arguing different things. Let's just leave it at that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 05:05 AM (+98Gb)

348 File this under Stupid Names Stupid Parents Give Their Kids.  Someone posted on FB about their kid.....named Creighton. 

Creighton = Cretan

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 12, 2013 05:05 AM (ovWeo)

349 190 @165: Crays haven't been impressive since the 90s. All the leaders in the top supercomputer list now are just massive amounts of commodity hardware lashed together. -------- Titan is a Cray. It is also a massive amount of commodity hardware lashed together.

Posted by: Largely Irrelevant Assault Undocumented Foreigner Anachronda at June 12, 2013 05:05 AM (U82Km)

350 Miss Lindsey sold out to his blackmailed long ago. He figures everybody ought to face the same scrutiny he did when they wiretapped his phone sex with Zigfried & Roy.

Posted by: zsasz at June 12, 2013 05:05 AM (gOG2a)

351 They will never release info that they targeted conservative groups through PRISM. If Snowden reveals that next....... The burning times.

Posted by: thunderb at June 12, 2013 05:06 AM (srUtv)

352 Jeff Sessions was on Levin's show last night talking about the contempt that Congress has for their constituents by promoting this shamnesty bill.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 12, 2013 05:06 AM (nHIEV)

353 The only safe assumption to make is that the NSA can crack anything an individual can encrypt. If that article/paper about large primes being sparse, but not infinitely so, is right, then we're screwed. Insufficiently sparse large primes would allow brute force breaking of most of todays encryption. Posted by: Wolves at June 12, 2013 08:57 AM (sxq57) Ha! I was right! I've been yammering away for awhile now about how I thought that was the case but I wasn't sure. Start tinfoil hat time. I wonder if that paper wasn't published and given publicity to let various people around the globe know that we're in u r systems, cracking u r codes. I have a vague recollection of there being this press conference in the mid to late 80's where NASA maybe put up these images of the Nile and showed that hey our new satellites let us see deeper and look there's all these previously unknown underground tributaries. The actual point of that was to show the USSR that we could see where the missile silos were located. Now, if you'll excuse me, I must go add a jaunty propeller to my hat. *bounds*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 05:07 AM (VtjlW)

354 Familiar with DES and Triple DES? Industry cream of the crop too long ago and used ubiquitously across industry. NSA was one of the authors of that encryption technology. You don't need to break what you helped invent. The NSA has long been involved in public encryption technology. Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 09:04 AM (g1DWB) You do realize that cryptography is an entire field, and it's an open encryption technique, right? It's mathematically secure, as far as thousands of researchers can tell. All it would take would be one researcher to point out a fatal flaw, and he would get freaking schools names after him. Some of you have your tinfoil hats on a little snug.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:08 AM (X4HxX)

355

You want to know why Republicans will continue to be perennial election losers and the minority party? Look no further than than the immigration issue.


There are no longer any real differentiations between Republicans and Democrats. Republicans have become Democrat-Lite and have no real principles they can articulate which clearly distinguish them from Democrats.


People have decided- why not just have the extra calories that come with Democrats- The Real Thing.


You have to laugh when people like McConnell, Boehner, Rove and Priebus lecture us on electoral tactics and speak in an unprincipled and confounding ways to voters. They attempt to win elections by making superficial appeals to minority groups. Can anything be more disingenuous or contra-intellectual?


Gone are the days of making intelligent arguments based on simple, logical and distinctive principals. The GOP no makes appeals based on a soundbite, commercial, ethnicity or a persons sexual preference to win their vote. What a completely appalling manner of operating that is.


Perhaps Republicans need to lose and lose big. Because with this strategy that day is surely coming. In fact, I predict Republicans will not only be unable to prevail in the Senate, but will lose the House and our next presidential election.


Then maybe we can clean house from top to bottom and rebuild our party with intelligent, principled leadership.

Posted by: Marcus at June 12, 2013 05:08 AM (GGCsk)

356 In other news, Kate Upton celebrated her 21st birthday with a visit to Capitol Hill on Monday. Her Uncle Fred is a congressman.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 12, 2013 05:08 AM (u8ZVh)

357 339 On WZ, Lindsey Graham says NSA has way more data than Snowden revealed. And he thinks that's awesome, of course.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 12, 2013 09:01 AM (OevbG)


Graham helping the enemy , I see..

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 12, 2013 05:08 AM (AWmfW)

358 349 Creighton is an old name. Lon Chaney Jr's real first name was Creighton.

Posted by: zsasz at June 12, 2013 05:08 AM (gOG2a)

359 @350: Right, but the days of Cray being anything uniquely special are long gone. Kind of like when Lotus started using Toyota Camry engines.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 12, 2013 05:09 AM (OevbG)

360 I wonder if that paper wasn't published and given publicity to let various people around the globe know that we're in u r systems, cracking u r codes.


If that's true, then we are truly ham-fisted.  It's like giving us the keys to a McLaren and we crash it leaving the parking spot.

If we really have the keys to look into ANY system we want, anywhere around the world, we've done a really piss poor job.  Makes me think the TOP MEN are devoting most of their time to looking inside, rather than outside.

Posted by: EC at June 12, 2013 05:09 AM (GQ8sn)

361 The problem is that the Obamanites have ramped up the program to eleventy. And it has been used to target political enemies more than terrorists. Plus, Obama & co. specifically railed against the program during the 2008 campaign. Exactly. And, since TFG has explicitly stated there are no terror cells in the Western Hemisphere, one wonders what the point of monitoring domestic communications would be.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 05:09 AM (/PCJa)

362 Now, if you'll excuse me, I must go add a jaunty propeller to my hat. *bounds* Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 09:07 AM (VtjlW) You will, of course, just assume I made the joke about making the propeller spin?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 12, 2013 05:09 AM (da5Wo)

363 #328  I'm worried.  The Park Service just told me that my March is backed up behind the "Three Million (and Counting) Happy Illegals March."  Great. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 12, 2013 05:09 AM (wbmaj)

364 Creighton = Cretan


You can't fool me! Those aren't the same.

Posted by: some cretin at June 12, 2013 05:10 AM (z9HTb)

365 If AES is broken: Someone could steal everyone's bank account passwords. Literally hundreds of billions could be stolen, if AES was crackable using today's technology. Either you have fully implemented quantum computers(and there is no such thing, not even a single qubit one, unless you tighten your tinfoil hat even more), or you don't have jack.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:10 AM (X4HxX)

366 Dear benevolent government,

If all this in-country surveillance, all this collecting of billions of pieces of information, is supposed to protect us from terrorism (that's all behind us now anyway), wouldn't it be a tad easier to deny entry into the country by *whispers* those people that actually come from likely terrorist hotbeds until they get their act together as a human species? 

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 12, 2013 05:10 AM (ovWeo)

367 @365

Yeah, my spelling sucks. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 12, 2013 05:10 AM (ovWeo)

368 Last night Mark Levin had Senator Sessions on, discussing the immigration bill and I think Mark got to the root of the problem. The bill is being supported by hundreds of special interests that want this for all different reasons - big business, IT companies, Dem activist groups, Republicans who somehow think they can get a share of the vote, Christian churches who want to grow their flocks and on and on and on.

The only special interest group than is not represented by big money or coordinated PACs or a bulk of Senators or congressmen is the American people.

How sad is that? And how can we expect to win without that kind of organization, lobbying, money, etc. Sessions agreed with Mark's analysis.

Posted by: jeannebodine at June 12, 2013 05:11 AM (LBBS3)

369 "Today we will learn about teachers fondling underage girls because of ParkinsonÂ’s medication." Dunno 'bout this case, but brains are funny chemical things and drugs can have the weirdest effects. (Drink!) There was the case of the guy who suddenly went pederasty, lost his job, family, freedom, before they found the brain tumor. Tumor removed, lust came back under control. Years later, bad behaviors recur, and, yup, tumor's back. We are not always in charge. But the general track record for teachers doesn't Occam-slice in this one's favor. Now, if he'd been a Priest....

Posted by: mindful webworker on drugs... COFFEE! at June 12, 2013 05:11 AM (1zmtP)

370 Then there is Gen. Creighton Abrams.  The M-1 tank is named for him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creighton_Abrams

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 05:11 AM (Oql7F)

371

That was my point. I am a big SciFi fan and I can see her as an alien, but, trying to play a real woman, not so much? Especially, a character that is supposed to be a smoldering hot Italian super cop from Philadelphia who has relocated to Absaroka county. I hate bad casting.

 

I never got the impression that she was supposed to be a super cop, or even smoldering hot.  She's professional, but used to a very different way of doing things. 

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 12, 2013 05:11 AM (lr3d7)

372 Super computers are basically no help in cracking passwords either. Not tractably. And if you're worried about the world's largest supercomputer cracking your password in roughly 10 years, just replace it with 512 bit encryption. Congrats, now it'll take a few millennia.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:12 AM (X4HxX)

373 And speaking of disparate impact, where is the EEOC on the Tanning Bed tax? I've been screaming about this racist tax since day 1. Not a peep about disparate impact, equality under the law, etc. from any 'leader' or the MFM.

Posted by: Schwalbe at June 12, 2013 05:12 AM (WbOdn)

374 Hey Anna, we were talking about anime last night and I was wondering if you ever watched the Avatar: The Last Airbender series?

Posted by: EC at June 12, 2013 05:13 AM (GQ8sn)

375 358 Graham helping the enemy , I see.. Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 12, 2013 09:08 AM (AWmfW) Graham IS - repeat IS - the enemy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 05:13 AM (+98Gb)

376 >>You do realize that cryptography is an entire field, and it's an open encryption technique, right? It's mathematically secure, as far as thousands of researchers can tell. >>All it would take would be one researcher to point out a fatal flaw, and he would get freaking schools names after him. >>Some of you have your tinfoil hats on a little snug. You do know that DES was broken in less than a day by a brute force attack in 1999 by the Electronic Frontier Foundation and is therefor no longer considered secure, right? Maybe you should get your own tinfoil hat.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 05:13 AM (g1DWB)

377

But the general track record for teachers doesn't Occam-slice in this one's favor.

 

LOL  What's this 'Occam' you're discussing - LOL

 

*fucks couch*

Posted by: Tom Sawyer LOL at June 12, 2013 05:14 AM (BrQrN)

378 Remembering the ChickfilA buycott, I think there should be a Tea-Day, that is a day when everybody donates to Tea Party groups without giving a rat's tail whether it's tax deductible or not. In addition to getting money to TP groups, it would be like a rude hand gesture to the RINOs in DC. So the Terlet Party can hand my cash over to the next wave of Ayottes and Rubios? I'll pass.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 12, 2013 05:14 AM (7ObY1)

379 For example, it can tell them if you're seeing someone on the side--and who it is. Want a programmer like me working for the government? I'd be able to write an algorithm to wade through DMV pictures and 'scale' every individual based on attractiveness. Cross reference phone numbers against that database and score the odds a politician is hitting on a man/woman he calls frequently. I could device a million ways to create havoc in this country.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at June 12, 2013 05:14 AM (U2UQk)

380 #375

Technically Avatar isn't anime, I think it's non-Japanese written, Korean animated. Teen Titans is another example, American script, Korean animators.

Posted by: RiverC at June 12, 2013 05:14 AM (KTytI)

381 Snowden is a full of shit traitor (the MSM narrative, but conservatives know the MSM is lying to them), but conservatives know that the MSM, Clapper, the NSA, the IRS, Obama and Hillary are all lying. Boehner said the same thing, but we don't like him, either, because he's a known liar... but we accept his word when he tells us that Snowden is a traitor. (What? Guilty w/o a trial? Hmmm... so much for that constitutional thingy.) Oh, and Assange is a strange ranger and Manning is a traitor. Whichy are still more MSM narratives. But, we know the MSM is lying to us. but, we still accept and spread their narratives. ...but our government and the MSM are lying to us about almost everything. ...but we accept and spread their narratives, anyway. Gotchya. You do realize just how insane that sounds, right?

Posted by: RedNeckParadise at June 12, 2013 05:15 AM (klGLB)

382 device = devise 'I could devise' English language is a pain in the ass.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at June 12, 2013 05:15 AM (U2UQk)

383 Maybe you should get your own tinfoil hat. Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 09:13 AM (g1DWB) A 56-bit key. On an old standard.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:15 AM (X4HxX)

384 If that article/paper about large primes being sparse, but not infinitely so, is right, then we're screwed. Insufficiently sparse large primes would allow brute force breaking of most of todays encryption. Posted by: Wolves Ha! I was right! I've been yammering away for awhile now about how I thought that was the case but I wasn't sure. What ever happened with/to PGP encryption? (Pretty Good Privacy)

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2013 05:15 AM (E7Zh9)

385 "Its most likely we should have a healthy dose of skepticism about all the players here." Shut up with your kindergarten-grade relativistic thinking. You talk as if this whistleblower is the only info we've ever had on this matter. You talk as if both sides in this matter are equally able to leverage tyrannical power against us. You talk as if the whistleblower is as much of a threat to us as the government itself. False equivalence and relativistic thinking are a plague on modern discourse. Just shut up.

Posted by: Tiglon at June 12, 2013 05:15 AM (Do4Ly)

386 You do realize that cryptography is an entire field, and it's an open encryption technique, right? It's mathematically secure, as far as thousands of researchers can tell. But even those mathematicians admit that, yes, you can brute-force encrypted documents, it would just take a really long time, and, yes, that "really long time" gets a whole lot shorter if you either know the hashing algorithm or the original Large Prime Number used to generate the specific hash. That is: if the Government is willing to spend the time and effort, they can open anything you can encrypt. If they're able to isolate a (relative) hand-full of LPNs as possible origin numbers, then they can do it faster. And, of course, there are things you can do to make it take longer. Things like double encryption (encrypting your encrypted files). Things like using good public/private (really: synchronous/asynchronous) encryption. Things like never sharing your key over an unsecured wire (using encrypted/secured email, for instance).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 05:15 AM (/PCJa)

387 If that's true, then we are truly ham-fisted. It's like giving us the keys to a McLaren and we crash it leaving the parking spot. If we really have the keys to look into ANY system we want, anywhere around the world, we've done a really piss poor job. Makes me think the TOP MEN are devoting most of their time to looking inside, rather than outside. Posted by: EC at June 12, 2013 09:09 AM (GQ8sn) Okay. Let's be fair, if you gave the Horde the keys to a McLaren, I am sure that we would crash it before we left the parking spot. Also, my tinfoil hat is not tight. Just jaunty. You will, of course, just assume I made the joke about making the propeller spin? Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 12, 2013 09:09 AM (da5Wo) You will, of course, just assume that I punched you in the throat?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 05:15 AM (VtjlW)

388 It's like saying cryptography is broken because one-to-one substitution no longer works.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:16 AM (X4HxX)

389 Shut up! We could've called it PRIS'N.

Posted by: NSA at June 12, 2013 05:17 AM (AWmfW)

390 #377

We don't use DES anymore, dude

Most routers use AES, at least, if they're encrypted, now.

ssh is not using DES.

However, someone found an odd rule recently regarding prime factorization, which may have compromised the DH key exchange itself, perhaps making ssl (secure socket layer) not so secure anymore.

Posted by: RiverC at June 12, 2013 05:17 AM (KTytI)

391 "these assholes on the EEOC would be syphilitic prostitutes blowing drug addicts behind bushes in Griffith Park." Some worthe phrases just bear repeating, I deem.

Posted by: mindful webworker always enjoys a good turn of phrase at June 12, 2013 05:17 AM (rf20m)

392 Does it make any sense that the NSA would need to set up dedicated data "clean rooms" at the sites of all major internet communications and service providers if all they were doing is collecting data in accordance with occasional FISA orders? Would the federal government need to build a $2B, 1M sf data center in Utah if they weren't collecting data on a scale orders of magnitude larger than what they're claiming?

Posted by: jagoff at June 12, 2013 05:17 AM (a2Bpc)

393 That is: if the Government is willing to spend the time and effort, they can open anything you can encrypt. If they're able to isolate a (relative) hand-full of LPNs as possible origin numbers, then they can do it faster. And, of course, there are things you can do to make it take longer. Things like double encryption (encrypting your encrypted files). Things like using good public/private (really: synchronous/asynchronous) encryption. Things like never sharing your key over an unsecured wire (using encrypted/secured email, for instance). Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 09:15 AM (/PCJa) Granted. But this is not "breaking" encryption, in the sense of, there's no way for the govt/evil people to figure out what documents are important a priori, and spend an inordinate amount of time breaking that document.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:17 AM (X4HxX)

394 EC truthfully never watched the Nickalodeon cartoon of Avatar.  It never seemed to appeal to me.  And when I did watch bits of it, Ang and his careless Zen self   well just wanted to strangle him for being such a naif.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 05:17 AM (Oql7F)

395 Posted by: RiverC at June 12, 2013 09:17 AM (KTytI) Link to paper?

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:17 AM (X4HxX)

396 So there really is no hope for this amnesty sham then, since we're just ordinary citizens and not part of big interest groups with deep pockets and influence?  More and more, I'm starting to think the fix is in.  Oh well.  We had a good run. 

Creighton, not as out there as I thought apparently.  I will whip myself accordingly. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 12, 2013 05:18 AM (ovWeo)

397 AlextheChick, I am not sure about these boots
http://www.shoebuy.com/pleaser-fantasia-2020/569381/1184128

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 05:19 AM (Oql7F)

398 You will, of course, just assume that I punched you in the throat? Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 09:15 AM (VtjlW) But of course. I expect nothing less. I actually think I'm developing a callous. As for the rest of this thread....NERD FIGHT!!!!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 12, 2013 05:19 AM (da5Wo)

399 Secret Service "Visits" Outspoken Critic of Obama - Because of Twitter? After you read this- you will wonder what country we are in. Tom Francois is an outspoken critic of Barack Hussein Obama- and has a robust Twitter presence. He also likes to dabble with his "paint" program to create funny cartoons. He has never threatened the President in any way, manner or form. On April 11, 2013, he heard relentless pounding on his door shouts of "Police!" The officers introduced themselves as members of The Secret Service and asked if they could "take a look around." snip~ The Secret Service had a thick FBI file- filled with screenshots of hundreds of posts. Said Tom, "I flat out told them 'I have NEVER threatened Obama's life! Yes, I despise him as you can plainly see, but I have that right!' They actually ADMITTED and agreed with me that I hadn't threatened Obama." They had run a background check and discovered that Tom legally owned two guns- and they asked to see them. Tom showed them his firearms. They asked, "Are they loaded?" Tom replied in the affirmative. "What good are guns if they aren't loaded?" http://tinyurl.com/p4krtvo

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 12, 2013 05:19 AM (X6akg)

400 False equivalence and relativistic thinking are a plague on modern discourse. Just shut up. Posted by: Tiglon at June 12, 2013 09:15 AM (Do4Ly) Being unable to recognize that both sides may be less than fully truthful and taking that in account when reviewing the data being presented said persons is a certain indicator that the opinions being put forth by the person who is unable to do so should be evaluated as being made by one unable to apply basic cognitive skills to a matter. Just sayin'.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 05:19 AM (VtjlW)

401 Congrats, now it'll take a few millennia.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 09:12 AM (X4HxX)

Eh. Most passwords are combinations of names and birthdays. Brute force will work given those restrictions.

Only smart people who care use passwords that are difficult or impossible to get past.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 12, 2013 05:19 AM (WW8xK)

402 238 Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 08:22 AM (LRFds)

I hear what your saying but the allowing the libs to gain an absolute majority in both houses is worse--you end up with crap like obamacare. It ain't a perfect world, ya just gotta do the best you can.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2013 08:27 AM (9Bj8R) 

**********************

The best we could in FL was Rubio and he is preparing to head up the Illegal Immigrant Hospitality Department and McConnell and Boehnner are bringing up the rear.  Congress has made it clear that not one liar from Clapper, to Holder, to Lerner will suffer consequences.  Benghazi hangs like dead air. All the while Obama, his gang, and their Republican go-fers work hard to bury this country.

Posted by: gracepmc at June 12, 2013 05:20 AM (rznx3)

403 This is just a program that Bush started and is just finding out now and is trying to shut it down to protect us. This is why I still hate Bush and think he should be in jail. I am still proud that I voted for President Oblama and have secured my children's future.

Posted by: LaQuisha Largess at June 12, 2013 05:20 AM (IkHXL)

404 I want to believe that the NSA doesn't have a political intelligence gathering operation. After the IRS revelations, I'm much less inclined to give the benefit of the doubt. Look, they defenestrated Petraeus, who was nominally their boss. Think about this: suppose Rep. Ellison (Muslim-MN) is in contact with folks at CAIR, which is likely. You know some folks at CAIR are under surveillance. So a foreign email refers to "our friend in government" and what he'll do for the jihad cause. It would be criminally negligent not to follow up, which would lead to the NSA intercepting communications to Ellison and his staff. I can't imagine that not getting compartmentalized into a "Special Branch," and I also can't imagine that some variation of this scenario has not played out at some point in the last 12 years (maybe with the Chinese, maybe Mexican mafia, who knows). Which means there almost certainly IS a political intelligence office at the NSA, CIA, and probably the office of DNI. Can we imagine this administration having that capability at their disposal and NOT using it?

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 12, 2013 05:21 AM (6gk77)

405 Okay, I was gonna let this wait until the news dump but since they don't happen every day, here it is: The Ripon Society http://www.riponsociety.org/ Click the link. Check out the "Membership" and "About Ripon" sections in particular. I never knew about this organization of traitors before. We have met the enemy and he is us.

Posted by: Ed Anger at June 12, 2013 05:21 AM (tOkJB)

406 I do not see how we will collect one more dime from making a bunch of illegals legal. Is there something I am missing here? The heart of the illegal immigration problem is the market for bootleg labor. The laws and regulations surrounding employment and the unsustainably generous social safety net have put a floor on wages higher than the market will bear for many occupations. Amnesty not only does nothing to address this core problem, it will make the situation worse because bringing these black-market workers above board will nullify the competitive advantages they held by operating "in the shadows." There are plenty of good options to address the core problem. The best one is to vigorously enforce the immigration and employment eligibility laws we already have on the books.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at June 12, 2013 05:21 AM (V3kRK)

407 What ever happened with/to PGP encryption? (Pretty Good Privacy) People use PGP all the time. It's highly secure, but not secure enough that the Government couldn't crack it if it were willing to expend the resources. The best thing about PGP is that you can actually use a number of different algorithm specifications (so, not just 1 family of algorithims like DES, TripleDES, AES,or others, but a large number of those families) for your encryption. PGP is also good because it's sync/async encryption: The key you share with the person who is going to open the file only really opens the async key for the file; the PGP implementation then has to use the correct algorithm along with that key to open your actual file. I've had to implement encryption at work a few times, and nowadays that's fairly easy. On the flip side, because that's fairly easy, it's also getting easier to crack.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 05:22 AM (/PCJa)

408 If I were somewhat unscrupulous & worked for the NSA, and knew I would never get punished for what I did at work, there really is only one thing I would want to know: how can I keep my job. What if the only security many of those at NSA care about is their job security?

Posted by: Baldy at June 12, 2013 05:22 AM (tyDFN)

409 Only smart people who care use passwords that are difficult or impossible to get past.

We could probably get SCOAMF's in ten tries.  Think he bothers to capitalize "barack"?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 12, 2013 05:22 AM (ZKzrr)

410 #396 unable to find it... they recently discovered a larger prime, and I recall a link there talking about prime factorization breakthroughs, but I can't find it. If I run across it I'll post it.

Whatever it was though, it doesn't seem like it was big enough news to hit Slashdot, which means it was probably nothing.

Posted by: RiverC at June 12, 2013 05:23 AM (KTytI)

411 AlextheChick, I am not sure about these boots
http://www.shoebuy.com/pleaser-fantasia-2020/569381/1184128

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 09:19 AM (Oql7F)

Those look a lot like the boots that are standard in the Stiletto Corsette Winter Undress Uniform.  Just sayin'...

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 12, 2013 05:23 AM (kXoT0)

412 Think he bothers to capitalize "barack"?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 12, 2013 09:22 AM (ZKzrr)

hobo1

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 12, 2013 05:23 AM (WW8xK)

413 Granted. But this is not "breaking" encryption, in the sense of, there's no way for the govt/evil people to figure out what documents are important a priori, and spend an inordinate amount of time breaking that document. True. They use other methods to determine which documents/communications to snoop on. But that's why that whole "metadata" thing is so scary.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 05:24 AM (/PCJa)

414 Posted by: RiverC at June 12, 2013 09:23 AM (KTytI) No we wait until quantum computers... then stuff goes crazy. Still not sure how we'll send info over wires/routers and still be safe from prying eyes.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:25 AM (X4HxX)

415 Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 12, 2013 09:22 AM (ZKzrr)

I doubt he uses any passwords. He's too vain.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 12, 2013 05:25 AM (WW8xK)

416 Still not sure how we'll send info over wires/routers and still be safe from prying eyes. 1) Quantum computers are unlikely to happen in our lifetimes. 2) Once you have quantum computers, you also get quantum encryption- and the whole game starts over again.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 05:26 AM (/PCJa)

417

The How to Manual has jumped in popularity:



Sales of "1984," George Orwell's 1949 classic novel about the oppressiveness of government overreach and life in a world where there is no place to escape the watchful eye of Big Brother, have risen more than 3,000 percent on Amazon since the country learned of the U.S. government surveillance programs.

As of noon today, the book was number 5 on the "movers and shakers list," which represent the biggest gains in sales over the past 24 hours. The book's sales rank had jumped to 194, from 6,750 Monday.




Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 12, 2013 05:26 AM (1Jaio)

418 I have to wonder, though, if when Snowden said he could have read Obama's e-mails, he wasn't hinting that he had.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at June 12, 2013 05:26 AM (K2Y5N)

419 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 09:24 AM (/PCJa) Yeah "meta-data" to me is a misnomer, because it's REAL data, and can be exploited very effectively.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:26 AM (X4HxX)

420 AlextheChick, I am not sure about these boots http://www.shoebuy.com/pleaser-fantasia-2020/569381/1184128 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 09:19 AM (Oql7F) As the esteemed Dr. McEvil noted, those are appropriate for certain uniforms. Only smart people who care use passwords that are difficult or impossible to get past. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 12, 2013 09:19 AM (WW8xK) And then they write it on a post-it note and stick it on the monitor so they don't forget it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 05:26 AM (VtjlW)

421 1) Quantum computers are unlikely to happen in our lifetimes. 2) Once you have quantum computers, you also get quantum encryption- and the whole game starts over again. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 09:26 AM (/PCJa) But somehow the router will have to look at the packet... without snooping. Maybe they can have standard routing headers, and quantum payloads?

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:27 AM (X4HxX)

422 ."In February, the agencyÂ’s general counsel Rajesh De gave a public, if little noticed at the time, speech at Georgetown University."

Notice the date.  Now there's  a lot of plausible deniability in the speech but one gem stood out.

"In cases where there is over-collection, De said there were “minimization procedures” to discard data that is not pertinent to foreign intelligence collection."
http://tinyurl.com/peo5r4t

So how often did this happen?  And are “minimization procedures” really destroying the information or does it mean simply storing it?

Posted by: Deanna at June 12, 2013 05:27 AM (KL8DP)

423 I have to wonder, though, if when Snowden said he could have read Obama's e-mails, he wasn't hinting that he had.

Tomorrow in The Guardian, OBAMA EMAIL SHOCKER: "Reggie, I love your dick more than Moochelle's".

Posted by: Ian S. at June 12, 2013 05:27 AM (OevbG)

424 You seem to think that we have enough information to believe either Clapper or Snowden. I don't think that's the case at all. I think we have enough information to be skeptical.

We have confirmation on Snowden's information from the best of all possible sources on the subject; the government.

If Snowden was lying why would Obama have been outraged and instituted a full government search for him before they knew who he was?

This tells us that not only was Snowden telling the truth but that Obama considers PRISM a key resource in his war on the people he considers his enemy; the American public - since that is whom PRISM is directed towards.

So lets all STFU about there being no confirmation of either Snowden or that Obama considers law abiding citizens to be enemies of the state.

Obama's actions here speak much louder than his words.

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at June 12, 2013 05:28 AM (ylhEn)

425 Yeah "meta-data" to me is a misnomer, because it's REAL data, and can be exploited very effectively. Me computer nerd. Me use computer nerdy words. It's just a short hand for saying "data about the communication." See? "Communication metadata" vs "Data about a communication." Programmers/geeks tend to be a lazy lot.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 05:28 AM (/PCJa)

426 Thanks for the clarification on those boots.  Here are some for the Stompy Assault Boot Brigade.
http://www.shoebuy.com/demonia-sinister-201/578582/1198071

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 05:28 AM (Oql7F)

427 Mr. Rand Paul has demonstrated that color simply trumps ethics in modern America. We are told by him that these that we will give amnesty to must not be demonized, not viewed as criminals, must be welcomed, that we must sing "kumbaya". Well, perhaps we will give amnesty, but we are going to getbsome things straight as we do so. These people are not saints. The blunt fact is that a lot of hate and discontent has been generated in the Anerican family because of the illegal actions of these immigrants. Now, if this were a real family, here is what a truly decent outsider to the family would have said--"I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be a bother and cause you to have all this fuss with the missus. I'll just move along." Except that is not what gets said, is it? To all appearances, the illegal inmmigrant in fact does not mind if he is a bother, some of them think they in fact have an absolute right to be so. I'm sorry, but regardless of whether we let them stay in or no, these people are not sainted "salts of the earth". They are exactly what they are--mere grasping humans, all too willing to put themselves before you in a typical human way. As a group, I dan't say I overly admire their ethos or character. Naturally, Rand Paul says I am the one who must lose ( with the implication that I no longer be part of the American fabric.) I will not be voting for that man in 2016. For in choosing the stranger over the family without acknowledging the stranger in fact had done wrong, he has lost me.

Posted by: T. at June 12, 2013 05:28 AM (YQiSq)

428 I never got the impression that she was supposed to be a super cop, or even smoldering hot. She's professional, but used to a very different way of doing things.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 12, 2013 09:11 AM (lr3d7)

In the Longmire books, Craig Johnson, specifically describes Vic that way.  I understand that TV and Movie scripts change things, but, KS adds nothing to the show.  She is bland and acts sort of passive aggressive.  I repeat--I hate bad casting, particularly for books I love that have been adapted to the screen.  Lou Diamond Phillips is also terrible as Henry Standing Bear.  he is a good actor, but, once again, bad casting in that other than looking vaguely Native American, he does not fit the role.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 12, 2013 05:28 AM (kXoT0)

429 And I wouldn't be so sure it's past our lifetimes, or at least mine. I'm guessing in 30 years we'll have proof of concept with an actual application, with a small number of qubits.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:28 AM (X4HxX)

430 And are “minimization procedures” really destroying the information or does it mean simply storing it? Down the memory hole.

Posted by: Winston Smith [/i] at June 12, 2013 05:29 AM (U2UQk)

431 The real deal here is that because they managed to claim that 'metadata' was not communications, they could collect it unlimitedly without warrant (essentially.) This is like saying that they could do a nationwide tracking of where various cars identified by VIN stopped at various times without it being a breach of the 4th amendment.

This is obviously very slipperly logic, and is clearly not the intent of the Patriot act. However, given the role of shadow law in our governance, it is clear that our government cannot be trusted with a law that can be construed to grant such powers.

Posted by: RiverC at June 12, 2013 05:29 AM (KTytI)

432

Secret Service "Visits" Outspoken Critic of Obama - Because of Twitter?

After you read this- you will wonder what country we are in.


Posted by: Tami at June 12, 2013 09:19 AM (X6akg)


 

When I get told what the Nazzies, the East German Stasi and the Soviets did could never happen here, I tell them about horror stories like this. Some are horrified, and some, to my horror don't see a problem.

Posted by: ExSnipe at June 12, 2013 05:30 AM (PBm/l)

433

I hate to sound like Alex Jones here, but is this a false flag? That is, a program that is invasive but legal; that the public knew about but didn't care about with a Democrat in the White House; a prgram that we don't really know that much about but has been used for many years; and it is now publicized by a wanna be hipster high school dropout. Why come forward now? It has certainly put the benghazi and IRS scandals on the back burner, and those are the two that I think could and should dog this admin for the rest of its days.

By creating afuror over a "scandal" that maybe really isn't, the admin can go back and say, "See all the other stuff is just like this, all the Right Wingers went nuts but this is really nothing, it's not even illegal." Quite a few people on the Right, those who depend on page views/watchers/listeners have certainly made a big deal about it, losing focus not only on Benghazi and the IRS, but also immigration reform.

One last thing, perhaps it is a way of sparking 'The Debate' over just how much liberty the American people are willing to trade for security. Excapt that debate is rigged. Careful which pill you choose.

Posted by: J. Locke at June 12, 2013 05:30 AM (9RGT+)

434 For in choosing the stranger over the family without acknowledging the stranger in fact had done wrong, he has lost me. Posted by: T. at June 12, 2013 09:28 AM (YQiSq) Politicians/people in the US aren't your family. Your family is your family. And where did he ever say they were saints? He's pro-amnesty, at least in theory, but he says Rubio's bill does nothing for security, which he wants.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:31 AM (X4HxX)

435 How about 50 million Americans declare themselves in open rebellion against the Federal Empire? See if they can crack that code.

Posted by: eman at June 12, 2013 05:31 AM (cQ4xo)

436 But somehow the router will have to look at the packet... without snooping. Maybe they can have standard routing headers, and quantum payloads? Well that's the question of encrypted line v encrypted message. If you have an encrypted line, the whole communication- headers, footers, parity-bits, the whole thing- is encrypted. This encryption will always be synchronous, but it is usually synchronous on some kind of rotation. Encrypted message means the headers are sent in the clear, but the package, as you indicate, is encrypted. We do that already today. Look up the difference (if you're interested) if SFTP and FTPS. People often use the terms interchangeably, but they're really two different specifications/technologies.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 05:31 AM (/PCJa)

437 >>A 56-bit key. On an old standard. Right. And the NSA, which has as one of it's main jobs breaking codes, has been ignoring any and all advancements since 1999. Do you honestly believe that the only people who are using the latest and greatest encryption technology are banks and other seemingly benign organizations? How about foreign governments, ones who don't like us all that much. Who do you think has been monitoring them and breaking their codes for decades? This is what the NSA does. It is the core of their mission. The NSA grew out of various military cryptology organizations with the goals of securing US communication and breaking bad guys communications. In one shape or another they have been doing this for over a century and they helped lay the groundwork for much of commercial encryption technology. And you think they are baffled by the latest and greatest commercial stuff? Alrighty then. Agree to disagree.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 05:31 AM (g1DWB)

438 It is not legal, though. It is slippery logic that allows them to CLAIM its legal, in the same way Clapper can CLAIM that he didn't lie (as can Holder.)

So certainly they're not nakedly doing something illegal, but that just means we haven't reached the point where they aren't afraid of consequences. It's slippery, slimy, and is indeed unconstitutional.

Posted by: RiverC at June 12, 2013 05:32 AM (KTytI)

439 I have to wonder, though, if when Snowden said he could have read Obama's e-mails, he wasn't hinting that he had.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at June 12, 2013 09:26 AM (K2Y5N)



Dear Reggie,

Last night was fabulous. I really can't wait to see you again but the gorgon will be in town for a while so we'll have to be careful. BTW, I loved it when you made me call you daddy.


Love Barry

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 12, 2013 05:32 AM (1Jaio)

440 And then they write it on a post-it note and stick it on the monitor so they don't forget it.

I leave the post-it in my desk.  I am so smart! S-M-R-T!

If I didn't have to change every 30 days with no repeats within a year and can't use the same special character two passwords in a row and some other bullshit, I might be able to remember it on Monday mornings.  But anyway.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 12, 2013 05:33 AM (ZKzrr)

441 #437

It's called Tor. Look it up. I2p as well.

Posted by: RiverC at June 12, 2013 05:33 AM (KTytI)

442 Right. And the NSA, which has as one of it's main jobs breaking codes, has been ignoring any and all advancements since 1999. ... Alrighty then. Agree to disagree. Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 09:31 AM (g1DWB) Indeed. I'm not big into conspiracy theories that involved thousands of civilians keeping their mouths shut.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:34 AM (X4HxX)

443 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 09:31 AM (/PCJa) So what does a quantum key look like? I guess I'm confusing my concepts here on what quantum cryptography gives us.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:35 AM (X4HxX)

444 If I didn't have to change every 30 days with no repeats within a year and can't use the same special character two passwords in a row and some other bullshit, I might be able to remember it on Monday mornings. But anyway.

This is why I use bullshit crackable passwords at work (*and* write them on a post-it).  Whoever sets up these policies clearly has no idea how humans will react to them.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 12, 2013 05:36 AM (OevbG)

445 387 AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 09:15 AM Allen, you hit the nail on the head. Given time and motivation, pretty much anything is crack-able. And your suggested methods would be viable. As for the PRISM case, in general, I'm not exactly sure what's going on (like everyone else). I've worked for a government agency in a cryptographic field, and I'd argue that the idea of full, real-time monitoring is impractical. The technical issues aren't insurmountable (but whoa, you'd need a lot of bandwidth and some serious supercomputing power) but the personnel issues would be difficult. You'd need experts in pretty much everything, in every language, running 'round the clock, to catch even a portion of what's being done on the internet. I think the idea that NSA has certain interests (think, for example, who is searching for the phrase "IED construction" and its possible derivatives) and that they "watch" by requesting daily logs of said searches/posts/etc. Then you have a human looking at the IP addresses/email addresses/etc weeding out potential terrorists from West Point students and JIEDDO analysts. The big issue, I think, is whether or not a standard for "reasonable expectation of privacy" on the internet exists. I assume that anything I do online can/will be viewed by people other than the intended recipients. Reading the EULAs from Facebook, Google, Apple, etc should disabuse you of the notion of internet anonymity. And people who think that their internet actions are completely separate/protected from physical world repercussions are hopelessly naive. Internet use requires an IP; IPs are assigned by ISPs; ISPs keep track of the address/billing info for IPs of their subscribers. It's not hard to follow that chain.

Posted by: Terminus Vex at June 12, 2013 05:37 AM (Dre4I)

446 436 How about 50 million Americans declare themselves in open rebellion against the Federal Empire? I'm really starting to think that's precisely what's coming.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 12, 2013 05:37 AM (JQuNB)

447 People use PGP all the time. It's highly secure, but not secure enough that the Government couldn't crack it if it were willing to expend the resources. Ahh. Thanks for the explanation.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2013 05:38 AM (E7Zh9)

448 We don't use DES anymore, dude >>Most routers use AES, at least, if they're encrypted, now. >>ssh is not using DES. Well that sure is comforting. I bet the NSA doesn't know squat about AES since it's announcement in 2005. Oh wait. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_Suite_B_Cryptography

Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 05:38 AM (g1DWB)

449 407 Front Toward Left,

the game is to outillegal the illegals...

We should all be illegals now...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 05:38 AM (LRFds)

450 Am a bona fide geek, three degrees in computer science, including a masters, so when I see the term metadata thrown about as being harmless, it makes me want to scream.  Metadata means data about data.  It gives information about how the data was captured, where it was captured, when it was captured, and from whom it was captured.  That cute little tag the lets you know just where your smart phone or digital camera took a photo--that is metadata.  So, if say you were an innocent muslim yute out taking pictures of bridges and water reservoirs for your memoirs, the metadata would faithfully report that someone in possession of the device stood at a particular set of coordinates on a particular day and time (down to the hundredth of a second) and took the photo.  Data stored in databases and files as metadata can give an IP address for the data source, a Userid, etc.  So if I do a search of that data for the words, "President" "Election" "Tea" "Conservative", and voila, I get a list of email addys or blog posts for the folks who used those words.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 12, 2013 05:39 AM (kXoT0)

451 So what does a quantum key look like? I guess I'm confusing my concepts here on what quantum cryptography gives us. Right now, as far as I know, no one knows. Some super-geeky mathematicians and physicists have some theories, but I don't think anyone knows, yet. As far as I know, they don't even know how they'll transmit the data. The thing about current transmissions is they convert analog signals to binary signals by examining wavelength (more or less- it's a simplification). But if you're doing that, it would be very hard to interpret the "maybe" (and, really, up 8 states, just for cubits, I think) state. It would almost require changing amplitudes and/or frequency, and that messes with our current ideas of how we even send signals in the first place. We don't even know how we would get quantum encoded information from a processor to active memory and back.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 05:40 AM (/PCJa)

452 Sherry I just called it war driving by the FBI with a sniffer.

Unt neu zuruck!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 05:41 AM (Oql7F)

453

File this under Stupid Names Stupid Parents Give Their Kids. Someone posted on FB about their kid.....named Creighton.

 

"Creighton"  was Lon Chaney, Jr.'s real name.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 12, 2013 05:42 AM (zF6Iw)

454 Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 09:38 AM (g1DWB) You are stuck on the idea that the NSA approves of AES. You know there were something like 13 different academic teams who submitted systems to become AES? AES wasn't born is some secret NSA laboratory. It's not Hidden Knowledge. The best attack we know of shaves a couple of bits off, that's it.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:43 AM (X4HxX)

455 Just a teensy bit more information and Gabe will hop onto the canonization bandwagon.

Posted by: secretary of state at June 12, 2013 05:43 AM (tFh1l)

456 And of course, more computing power. But that's not a tractable solution if your goal is to watch everyone's communications.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:44 AM (X4HxX)

457 Indeed. I'm not big into conspiracy theories that involved thousands of civilians keeping their mouths shut.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 09:34 AM (X4HxX)


You mean like PRISM was before Snowden?

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at June 12, 2013 05:44 AM (ylhEn)

458 The big issue, I think, is whether or not a standard for "reasonable expectation of privacy" on the internet exists Okay, let me stop you right there. That is a sucker phrase invented by a liberal justice in order to create a pseudo-constitutional "right" out of whole-cloth. It is not a concept in the Constitution at all. My "expectation of privacy" is absolute, when it comes to the government. Actually, it's just absolute anyway, but especially so from the government. I don't expect random people on the street to eavesdrop on my conversations. I don't expect (without disclosure) that Company A is going to share my demographic information with Company B. Those are just natural inclinations. Our "expectation of privacy" is that people will mind their own fkn business. With the government, it goes farther than that. The government is specifically prohibited from gathering any data on me (secure in Person) or my communications (secure in Papers), regardless of medium, regardless of content. The ONLY exception to that is if a warrant is issued.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 05:45 AM (/PCJa)

459 447 Harrison Begeron,

I'm thinking we Tea Party types need to openly split from the GOP...

the GOP in DC is democrat lite.

No mercy

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 05:45 AM (LRFds)

460 You mean like PRISM was before Snowden? Posted by: An Observation at June 12, 2013 09:44 AM (ylhEn) Civilians. Not under threat of jail time.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:46 AM (X4HxX)

461 Unless you believe the NSA has approached every cryptographic researcher in the world and threatened them with a droning if they crack AES.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 12, 2013 05:46 AM (X4HxX)

462

"436 How about 50 million Americans declare themselves in open rebellion against the Federal Empire?

I'm really starting to think that's precisely what's coming."

 

Not that I think 50M or even 5M  Americans  would get off their fat asses,  make the sacrifices, and take the risks  necessary to do such a thing, but what does "open rebellion"  even look like in 2013?  Bitching on  the internet?  Writing letters?  Shitting in a mailbox?

Posted by: Jaws at June 12, 2013 05:47 AM (4I3Uo)

463 I have to wonder, though, if when Snowden said he could have read Obama's e-mails, he wasn't hinting that he had. He also mentioned federal judges. Roberts perhaps? Blackmailed to uphold Obamacare anyone?

Posted by: Schwalbe at June 12, 2013 05:47 AM (oEOlM)

464 463 Jaws,

Paying for everything under the table..bartering as much as one can and undermining the Tax money trail as much as one can...

1099 your employees starve the fucking beast...

illegal immigrants have better representation in DC than I do and they do not in theory vote...

but I suspect we know better even if we don't admit it

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 05:48 AM (LRFds)

465 >>You are stuck on the idea that the NSA approves of AES. No, what I am stuck on, what you can't seem to grasp, is the primary function of the NSA is to break codes. They are given hundreds of billions of dollars to do this and they have been doing it longer and better than anyone in the world. This is their mission. And since the invention of the internet, which was a DOD funded operation with tons of gov't oversight in the early days when they were working with companies like BBN and universities like MIT (and so was I) the NSA has been monitoring it. Not primarily to watch us send porn around but for cyber attacks and communication by bad actors. This meant that they had to be involved with and able to break the most sophisticated codes and security techniques. Again, this is what they do, monitor communications and look for trouble. They are THE agency in the US government charged with monitoring communication, and they are very good at what they do. Just because many are just discovering this largely secret agency and what they have been doing for years does not mean it hasn't been happening.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 12, 2013 05:53 AM (g1DWB)

466 I leave the post-it in my desk. I am so smart! S-M-R-T! If I didn't have to change every 30 days with no repeats within a year and can't use the same special character two passwords in a row and some other bullshit, I might be able to remember it on Monday mornings. But anyway. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 12, 2013 09:33 AM (ZKzrr) This. We are well past the point of diminishing returns via complicating the requirements for passwords. Of course someone is going to write it down, there's no possible way to remember it otherwise. At that point, you don't need to hack in. You need to get hired on the cleaning crew and then jot down all the passwords you see. I once had a discussion with the office manager about systems security and when we were done, I mentioned that maybe, just maybe, the two of us shouldn't have folders that said PASSWORDS sitting out in the open on our desks.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 05:56 AM (VtjlW)

467 Civilians. Not under threat of jail time.

Which is precisely why government conspiracies can and do exist. Everyone needs to get that fact through their thick skulls

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at June 12, 2013 06:00 AM (ylhEn)

468 "The big issue, I think, is whether or not a standard for "reasonable expectation of privacy" on the internet exists." The big issue is whether the government has the authority to issue such broad-based general warrantsin the Constitution. You are parroting the idiotic leftist meme, which is that corporations that we connect to via the Internet have access to this data, so therefore you have nothing to worry about if the government does too. The government has no authority to enforce these companies to give over this information, read the fourth amendment. I have had it up to here with you neocon jackasses playing this statist game where you pretend the Constitution permisses everything not explicitly prohibited. It's high time you fake Conservatives got smoked out. "Reasonable expectation of privacy" my ass. Read the Constitution, you twats.

Posted by: Tiglon at June 12, 2013 06:19 AM (Do4Ly)

469 5 year old boy who survived tornado in OK killed at family friendÂ’s house by a Bull Mastiff. Sad irony. Will the owner of the dog be charged with murder? That seems to be the new paradigm in this kind of thing.

http://tinyurl.com/p6j9lwg

Posted by: Vic at June 12, 2013 06:58 AM (lZvxr)


The dog was "put down" as the article says.  A friend of the dog's owner whacked him.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 12, 2013 06:19 AM (Gkhxf)

470 I once had a discussion with the office manager about systems security and when we were done, I mentioned that maybe, just maybe, the two of us shouldn't have folders that said PASSWORDS sitting out in the open on our desks.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 09:56 AM (VtjlW)


There is some value to padding your passwords with extraneous special characters...such as !@!@!@ up to 10 characters or more on both sides of the meat of the password...because every extra character slows downs password cracking.  So your password of FluffyRocks becomes !@!@FluffyRocks!@!@

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 12, 2013 06:23 AM (kXoT0)

471 So, to the defenders of this program: Show us specifically in the Constitution where it allows the government to collect this wholesale data as long as there's not a "reasonable expectation of privacy". Show us where it says that. Show us the clause where they are authorized to issue these warrants to these private companies, compelling them to handover this wholesale data without specifying a particular person or thing to search for. You're not getting away with this anymore. Your covering for the status quo and the left is over. We've had enough.

Posted by: Tiglon at June 12, 2013 06:25 AM (Do4Ly)

472 I suppose there is no "reasonable expectation of privacy" to these people because a private company already has access to this information, so it's not "private". By that logic, my bank account information isn't private either because the bank has access to this information too. I guess the government should be allowed to just request wholesale bank account information from every citizen because there's no reasonable expectation of privacy because it is already available to a private company. Oh wait, they're already collecting that information, and they're probably using that exact rationale. Remember, "metadata" is a magic word for "data the govt is allowed to seize, because wink wink, only data is protected and this isn't data. Never mind the Constitution doesn't even say that. Good job, neocon statist jackalopes.

Posted by: Tiglon at June 12, 2013 06:34 AM (Do4Ly)

473 I'm talking practicality. Have you guys read the EULAs for Facebook or Gmail? Pretty sure there's a clause in there saying that they will comply with government requests, etc. There isn't much they CAN'T do with the information you provide, actually (I'm not endorsing that, either). This program (or parts of it, since no one seems to know exactly what's going on) is almost certainly unconstitutional - and I'm not specifically defending it. I'm raising the larger issue of what, exactly the government can do with information transactions you're voluntarily engaged in (does anyone object to a prosecutor using a Craigslist posting for a hitman to kill so-and-so as evidence)? If you don't like the phrase "reasonable expectation of privacy", fine. But I still see this as primarily a convenience/fun vs. privacy issue. I tend to think of things like say, posting on a forum, as a "public" activity. Email - not so much. I don't trust the government with massive amounts of data about citizens - in fact, I think Google's data mining was a direct contributor to Obama's reelection. And I think campaign use of mined data is particularly troubling and should be illegal, if it already isn't. That said, we're back to citizens knowingly providing information about themselves to companies with the knowledge that it can be sold/exploited. And I haven't seen massive defections from Google/Facebook/etc. Americans apparently value leisure and convenience over privacy - and the two are frequently mutually exclusive in the digital world.

Posted by: Terminus Vex at June 12, 2013 06:54 AM (Dre4I)

474 This is what I'm talking about- from Google's Privacy Policy: "We will share personal information with companies, organizations or individuals outside of Google if we have a good-faith belief that access, use, preservation or disclosure of the information is reasonably necessary to: meet any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request." I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying we agreed to it. And this issue is going to get more and more important; personally, I figure we're 10 years (or less) away from having mass-market wearable/implantable cell phones (earring for speaker, stick-on mic near your jawline - or similar set-up). Google Glass is already a pretty big step in that direction. So, we need to individually, and collectively, decide what our intellectual property rights are. We've got the same issue with genetics - we're tracking towards Gattaca currently, and I think that's pretty worrisome by itself.

Posted by: Terminus Vex at June 12, 2013 07:41 AM (Dre4I)

Hide Comments | Add Comment | Refresh | Top

Comments are disabled. Post is locked.
379kb generated in CPU 0.095, elapsed 0.4557 seconds.
64 queries taking 0.3864 seconds, 602 records returned.
Powered by Minx 1.1.6c-pink.

Support





Donate to Ace of Spades HQ!


Contact

Change the At to "@" and the DOT to "."




Intermarkets' Privacy Policy
Support


Donate to Ace of Spades HQ!


Search Thingy



Archives

Monthly Traffic

  • Pages: 175613
  • Files: 678
  • Bytes: 5.0G
  • CPU Time: 266:48
  • Queries: 5172312

Content

  • Posts: 22824
  • Comments: 5944011

Feeds


RSS 2.0 Atom 1.0