June 24, 2013

Top Headline Comments 6-24-13
— Gabriel Malor

Happy Monday.

Leakers are saying the Chinese government made the decision to let Edward Snowden go after hoovering the contents of the four laptops he took to Hong Kong, of course. Oh, and reporters are tweeting that they're on the Aeroflot from Moscow to Cuba . . . but Snowden isn't. Durrr.

Once again, the Supreme Court is going to issue decisions at 10am. There are 11 left to go this term, including affirmative action at colleges, section 5 of the VRA, section 3 of DOMA, and Prop 8. Although, as my pal Chris Geidner points out, when you get down to it the justices could dodge the central issue in all four big cases, if they choose.

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1 Morning.

Posted by: olddog in mo at June 24, 2013 02:49 AM (s+Oi3)

2 Good Morning Morons.  Today is Monday, June 24, 2013.  On this day in 1916 Mary Pickford became the first movie star to sign a $1M contract.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:49 AM (lZvxr)

3 The big vote in the Senate today as the commies still claim they have 70 votes in the Senate.  Rand Paul says it is dead in the House.

http://tinyurl.com/lfgvq9a

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:49 AM (lZvxr)

4 CA woman buries husband in back yard because she could not afford the exorbitant price of a funeral.  Funerals are a major racket in the US.

http://tinyurl.com/m6sku9d

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:50 AM (lZvxr)

5 More insanity; CO Civil Rights Commission rules that “transgender” 6 year old can use girlÂ’s bathroom. I smell a lot of rats in this one.   Notice that it did not go to court as a civil suit.

http://tinyurl.com/k5gz6yu

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:50 AM (lZvxr)

6 Smoking gun points to Hillary on Benghazi security fiasco.  The question is, will the incompetent Republicans point to this? Hahahahaha, not a chance.   The press has all but forgotten it except for Catherine Herridge at Fox.   And you can bet by the time 2016 rolls around it will be buried under 6 feet of Democrat PR shit by the MFM.   They will not even remember “what difference does it make now”, the irony of BS perjury statements.

http://tinyurl.com/mfj4dnx

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:50 AM (lZvxr)

7 RIP Bobby “Blue” Bland at 83.

http://tinyurl.com/mulpkhp

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:50 AM (lZvxr)

8 The Senate will vote on the amnesty bill without reading the 24 pound POS.

http://tinyurl.com/n394vdd

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:51 AM (lZvxr)

9 This week will be a big week in the Supreme Court.  I predict we will get a lot of new “taxes”.

http://tinyurl.com/lg6fbbg

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:51 AM (lZvxr)

10 The Corker amendment to the amnesty bill this past weekend added Obama stimulus plans to the POS.  So much for him being a “Republican”.  No wonder Dirty Harry the pederast doesnÂ’t want to give anyone time to read it.

http://tinyurl.com/kc2lo98

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:51 AM (lZvxr)

11 DIABLO Graham praises the Corker amendment.  Even though I am now one step away from abandoning the Republican Party I will have to vote in the primary to get rid of this worthless shit.  You folks in TN need to get rid of RINO Corker too.

http://tinyurl.com/l7xsnyg

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:51 AM (lZvxr)

12 Fresh Blog in the morning!

Posted by: ExPat Patriot at June 24, 2013 02:51 AM (S7ruC)

13 ICE Council urges lawmakers to vote no on Corker amendment and calls Ratshit Rubio a liar.

http://tinyurl.com/l7xsnyg

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:52 AM (lZvxr)

14 IL Mayor drops out of BloomingidiotÂ’s anti-gun crusade.

http://tinyurl.com/mlwjxdl

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:52 AM (lZvxr)

15 DC looks at 5 things GOP needs to win MA Senate race.  How about a GOP candidate?  We have already lost that race no matter who wins.  I could support this DIABLO if the Senate leadership would promise to keep him off of any important committee.

http://tinyurl.com/lknfrz4

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:52 AM (lZvxr)

16 DAY 230 1,231 to go (1,304 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 02:52 AM (+98Gb)

17 Professor who ordered students to stomp on paper with Jesus written on it has his contract renewed.  He is also a Democrat Party official; figures.

http://tinyurl.com/mxgp4tx

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:52 AM (lZvxr)

18 And Corker attacks “conservative media” as liars.  We know who the liar is you asshole, jam it up your ass.

http://tinyurl.com/k6yca3c

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:53 AM (lZvxr)

19 Justice at last

Last week, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a 5-4 decision that lawyers Dick Harpootlian and Cam Lewis of Columbia, Gedney Howe III of Charleston and Michael Spears of Spartanburg were possibly in violation of federal law when they obtained thousands of driversÂ’ records from the S.C. Department of Motor Vehicles to help them in an ongoing consumer protection lawsuit against hundreds of car dealers around the state.


Recall that Dick Harpootlian is the outspoken former head of the SC Democrat Party and a major asshole.   Will he get a free trip to the greybar hotel?  I doubt it.  They havenÂ’t really ruled that he violated the law yet.

http://tinyurl.com/mragzcn

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:53 AM (lZvxr)

20 Moved from WI to TN just to help clean out Corker (and to get Gore's daddy's name off the highway, what a shameful thing to do to a good state.

Posted by: ExPat Patriot at June 24, 2013 02:53 AM (S7ruC)

21 Corker is aptly named.

Posted by: ontherocks at June 24, 2013 02:53 AM (mecZb)

22 The EPA released a phony story on fracking in WY last week to much ballyhood media attention.  They withdrew the report this week after it was found to have more holes than a target at an NRA shoot.  In short the EPA hasnÂ’t changed since Rucklsnot was head, they are liars, not scientists.  But the MFM was glad to give them their day in the sun.  How many MFM outlets will give retractions?  If you guess none you would be right.   Note, the study was withdrawn after they had delayed getting a “peer review” for 1.5 years.  One wonders why this nest of liars would not want a “peer review”?

http://tinyurl.com/klrec4u

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:53 AM (lZvxr)

23 And finally, yet another reason to stay the fk out of NYC; the NYC Civil Rights Commission.  A British Pub is fined $2500 for trying to hire a British bartender.  This is the kind of shit that illustrates why ALL of these so-called Civil Rights Commissions should be abolished.  And if anyone tries to bring them back they are tied to a stake in the town square and given 20 lashes with a bull whip/

http://tinyurl.com/m85ryyw

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:54 AM (lZvxr)

24 The Daily Deals

http://tinyurl.com/lrh3x2q




And thatÂ’s it for Monday and I hit 562 comments last week?  Wow

Andf I will be going down later this morning to move all my accounts out of Bank of America.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 02:54 AM (lZvxr)

25 Talking about Nikki Haley and Nazis makes me hard.......

Posted by: Dick Harpootlin at June 24, 2013 02:54 AM (Aif/5)

26

So.....

 

If I Plead upon the grave of my Mother that you not go back to the ONT

"We Cool?"

Posted by: Richard at June 24, 2013 03:00 AM (FTU43)

27 Who would have known that Jaye P. Morgan the game show queen was this hawt?

http://tinyurl.com/m4or8qh

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 03:03 AM (lZvxr)

28 Blatant exploitation.  Amazon is calling Transfer of Power by Vince Flynn "new".  I guess it may be new for the Kindle.

http://tinyurl.com/kr4thbk

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 03:07 AM (lZvxr)

29 Fuck You. Richard.

Posted by: Ratts Alley at June 24, 2013 03:07 AM (UzPwV)

30 27 Who would have known that Jaye P. Morgan the game show queen was this hawt? http://tinyurl.com/m4or8qh Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 07:03 AM (lZvxr) Meh. A blonde Joanie Cunningham, with sauerkraut. And big cucumbers!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:07 AM (+98Gb)

31 Good morning,  all!

So,  Snowden wasn't on the plane to Cuba?  Well,  what a surprise.  As I pointed out to a reporter yesterday,  he's not going to telegraph his every movement to the press,  for personal safety.

It's very hard to completely disappear,  but he's making a good start.  I make no comment on Snowden's merits or faults,  but there is a small part of me that is satisfied at seeing the press look like chumps.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 03:07 AM (GoIUi)

32 Leakers are saying the Chinese government made the decision to let Edward Snowden go after hoovering the contents of the four laptops he took to Hong Kong, of course.



I guess that should settle the question on whether or not he is a traitor.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 03:09 AM (lZvxr)

33 I'm on it regarding Corker Vic.  I have communicated to him (and Lamar Alexander and my Rep) that I will do everything in my power to oust anyone that votes for this shit.  Even if that means (and I know I'll get an ear full for this) voting Dem for the first time in my life.  I'll try to help primary them first, but if that don't work.....let it burn.

Posted by: FITP at June 24, 2013 03:10 AM (14Dy6)

34 31 Miss Marple, People should be taking notes...you never know whn your turn as Emmaunel Goldstein may come.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:12 AM (PlEPv)

35 I make no comment on Snowden's merits or faults, but there is a small part of me that is satisfied at seeing the press look like chumps. And this admin getting the "sunlight disinfectant".

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 03:12 AM (KvM9d)

36 The damn bill has Obama stimulus trash in it and it is a damn partial REPUBLICAN bill!  If Ratshit Rubio and his other goons were real Republicans they would have walked out of this "secret" conference that drafted the bill and told the Dems to stick it up their ass.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 03:13 AM (lZvxr)

37 With pickles & kraut no less. Wowza!

Posted by: TexBob at June 24, 2013 03:13 AM (1u/na)

38 29 Ratt's Alley, I wouldn't Dick there needs to be allowed out of the gene pool.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:13 AM (PlEPv)

39 Meh. A blonde Joanie Cunningham, with sauerkraut. And big cucumbers!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 07:07 AM (+98Gb)



But you wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating sauerkraut and cucumbers.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 03:15 AM (lZvxr)

40 CA woman buries husband in back yard because she could not afford the exorbitant price of a funeral. Funerals are a major racket in the US.

http://tinyurl.com/m6sku9d

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 06:50 AM (lZvxr)


Whack your spouse and bury them in the backyard.  Claim funerals are too expensive.  I think this could work.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 24, 2013 03:15 AM (Gkhxf)

41

24 pounds, eh?  That's a really big turd.

 

G'mornin', y'all.  I see we're still screwed.

 

SNAFU.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 03:15 AM (0HooB)

42 And Corker attacks “conservative media” as liars. We know who the liar is you asshole, jam it up your ass.

http://tinyurl.com/k6yca3c

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 06:53 AM (lZvxr)



It's really pathetic that so many Repukes have aided and abetted this fucking monstrosity which is a transparent final step of destroying the country.  And the editors of the WSJ can all go fuck themselves; Milton Friedman was very prescient on this.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 03:15 AM (9TDD8)

43 33"Even if that means (and I know I'll get an ear full for this) voting Dem for the first time in my life. " Posted by: FITP at June 24, 2013 07:10 AM (14Dy6) Here's your earful: BRAVO!!! I have now abandoned the lesser-of-two-evils choice as false, since it is now apparent that we are dealing with two sides of the same coin. BUT... let us make every effort to support as many conservative/Tea Party types in as many areas as we can. Yes, I'm well aware that many turned on us and got corrupted by Cry-Baby Boehner. Still, the more we can install, the more ammo we give to people like Ted Cruz and Trey Gowdy. Take it back or tear it down.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:15 AM (+98Gb)

44 Is there some kind of flame war carrying over from the ONT?

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 03:16 AM (lZvxr)

45 36 Vic, That was my breaking point Vic. Folks were asking about Mr Graham-McCain's powerbase and antics Vic I deferred to you. I am giving serious thought to plan B, switching my registration and focusing on disrupting the mule coalition.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:16 AM (PlEPv)

46 39 But you wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating sauerkraut and cucumbers. Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 07:15 AM (lZvxr) She has to shmear them on me. And the cucumbers will be sliced first!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:17 AM (+98Gb)

47 44 Vic, Just Richard living up to his name. You know you're on the right track when the yelp like you kicked 'em in the groin.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:17 AM (PlEPv)

48 #34  I highly recommend Brad Thor's novel Black List.  I learned all sorts of things about how to disappear from that book.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 03:18 AM (GoIUi)

49 Vince Flynns Term Limits is a great read. We need them.

Posted by: TexBob at June 24, 2013 03:18 AM (1u/na)

50 Vince Flynns Term Limits is a great read. We need them.

Posted by: TexBob at June 24, 2013 07:18 AM (1u/na)


Yes it is, but is it "new".

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 03:19 AM (lZvxr)

51 43 JJ Sefton, Yup. The Seante "brave" GOP is passing another porkulus. If the House concurs there's a solution.... Let the democrats enact democrat policy not Republicans in my name as a conservative. PLan B boys

Posted by: sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:20 AM (PlEPv)

52 I don't think Republican means what they would have us believe that it means. There is no 2 party system just: 1. Completely rotten to the commie core dhims 1a. Infested, intimidated and following blindly RIPs

Posted by: ontherocks at June 24, 2013 03:20 AM (mecZb)

53 45 I am giving serious thought to plan B, switching my registration and focusing on disrupting the mule coalition. Posted by: sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:16 AM (PlEPv) Not a bad idea. Infiltrate their party and take it down from within. You've got to be able to stomach them at close range for a long time, though.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:20 AM (+98Gb)

54 Whack your spouse and bury them in the backyard. Claim funerals are too expensive. I think this could work.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 24, 2013 07:15 AM (Gkhxf)



I'm sure the CA authorities did an autopsy when they exhumed the body.  If there had been foul play they would have said something in the article. 



BTW, unauthorized burying is a felony in SC IIANM.  More power to the undertakers.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 03:21 AM (lZvxr)

55 "Two Western intelligence experts, who worked for major government spy agencies, said they believed that the Chinese government had managed to drain the contents of the four laptops that Mr. Snowden said he brought to Hong Kong, and that he said were with him during his stay at a Hong Kong hotel." So, not saying it didn't happen, but they posit no evidence for it. And these "intelligence experts" tend to be stooges for the NSA, from my experience. Again, maybe he did it, but I see no real evidence that he did.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 03:22 AM (X4HxX)

56 But "waiting for the collapse" is not a plan. Posted by: chemjeff at June 24, 2013 05:19 AM (9GG/0) (From last night's thread) Preach it, Chemjeff Get off your duffs, folks, (ie, the people who do nothing but whine,)Stop being Chicken Little, call your Senators today about immigration and send those sardines (see last night's thread), cards and tweets in today. And if you keep despairing I suggest staying off the board for a few days and doing things you love. It's helps. And PRAY.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 03:22 AM (/wToa)

57 32 Vic, He could be the lead scout for an alien invasion force for all I care, why is Barack Obama allowing NSA to spy on Americans and exempting Mosques?

Posted by: sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:22 AM (PlEPv)

58

Marco Rubio is teh coobin hawtness.

 

Posted by: Huma Abedin at June 24, 2013 03:22 AM (dScAL)

59 Beunos dias, mi amigos!

I would like to lodge a complaint with the management that there is no Spanish language version of this blog.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 24, 2013 03:23 AM (UTq/I)

60 I will vote in the 2014 primary, and possibly the 2016 primary.  But if they nominate yet another damn RINO squish they can kiss my ass.  I will sit it out.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 03:23 AM (lZvxr)

61 It's very hard to completely disappear, but he's making a good start. I make no comment on Snowden's merits or faults, but there is a small part of me that is satisfied at seeing the press look like chumps.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 07:07 AM (GoIUi)

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He will go where, and when, Putin and the KGB SVR want him to go.  Little Eddie is no longer his own person- he is now a Soviet Russian asset and the Russians have a habit of keeping their assets well hidden- for as long as they are of use.

Posted by: Nighthawk at June 24, 2013 03:23 AM (OtQXp)

62 Good morning all.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 03:23 AM (MnSla)

63 56 FenlonSpoke, I've called my OH delegation, I've drawn my line in the sand, and I've prayed. Don't worry I'll be scarce this week.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:24 AM (PlEPv)

64 Here is a good thing about the Snowden situation:  you can loudly decry the spying on Americans and gin up dissatisfaction with Obama and NO ONE KNOWS if you are a democrat or a Repulican,  liberal or conservative!

This is a handy tool,  because it allows us to sow confusion to the enemy!

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 03:24 AM (GoIUi)

65 And I'm guessing that a half-retarded Snowden would know to encrypt his hardrive with pretty heavy duty stuff. So unless it was voluntary, which there is even less evidence for, it's doubtful they got anything useful.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 03:24 AM (X4HxX)

66 59 Vic, That may not be enough. You're your own man to spike Mr Graham-McCain I'd suggest crossover if need be.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:25 AM (PlEPv)

67 Morning everyone.  For reference, wine-tasting festival = very nice.  Working at 0700 the next morning = not so much.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 24, 2013 03:25 AM (sQ0LB)

68 @#6  .    The only thing the MFM will talk about in 2016 is Hilldog's make-over, how young she looks, and how it's her turn to be President.  After all, she and Bill done such a great job running the country before........

Posted by: Case at June 24, 2013 03:25 AM (9mWut)

69 NSA stooges trying really hard to show that "security" has been "damaged".

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 03:26 AM (X4HxX)

70 @53: Long baths in Lysol are probably the best way to handle that.

Posted by: NRPax at June 24, 2013 03:26 AM (U+O64)

71 That may not be enough. You're your own man to spike Mr Graham-McCain I'd suggest crossover if need be.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:25 AM (PlEPv)


If you vote in one party's primary here you can not vote in the other party's primary.  They are not closed primaries, but you can only vote in one.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 03:26 AM (lZvxr)

72 66 Morning everyone. For reference, wine-tasting festival = very nice. Working at 0700 the next morning = not so much. Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 24, 2013 07:25 AM (sQ0LB) For a moment, I flashed on a National Lampoon from 1974 "The Joys of WIFE Tasting."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:27 AM (+98Gb)

73

Oh, I almost forgot.

 

Hi Bob. How am I this morning?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 03:27 AM (0HooB)

74 58 Chi Town Jerry, We babblefished Spanglish AM posts the last few days.... More pointedly I *am* in favor of instant immersion classes being sponsored for the horde

Posted by: sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:27 AM (PlEPv)

75 He will go where, and when, Putin and the KGB SVR want him to go. Little Eddie is no longer his own person- he is now a Soviet Russian asset and the Russians have a habit of keeping their assets well hidden- for as long as they are of use.

Posted by: Nighthawk at June 24, 2013 07:23 AM (OtQXp)


They will keep him around as long as he is a good propaganda tool.  For a while, they will be able to parade him around and show off how incompetent our government is.  Once that wears thin, he will have a car accident.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 24, 2013 03:28 AM (Gkhxf)

76 Who would have known that Jaye P. Morgan the game show queen was this hawt?

http://tinyurl.com/m4or8qh

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 07:03 AM (lZvxr)

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Only everyone who watched the Gong Show, that's who. Did not know she was a singer however.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 24, 2013 03:28 AM (mV8sg)

77 NSA is quite upset that Snowden has made it impossible for them to fully concentrate on their mission of spying for the Democrats.

Posted by: zsasz at June 24, 2013 03:28 AM (MMC8r)

78 73 58 Chi Town Jerry, We babblefished Spanglish AM posts the last few days.... More pointedly I *am* in favor of instant immersion classes being sponsored for the horde Posted by: sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:27 AM (PlEPv) I would like the Senate to be immersed... ...in the dirtiest crack-house toilet, head first.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:29 AM (+98Gb)

79

"waiting for the collapse" is not a plan.

FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 07:22 AM

 

I have absolutely no intention of waiting for the collapse.  I intend to "hasten" the collapse if I can't get someone to represent me

Posted by: FITP at June 24, 2013 03:29 AM (14Dy6)

80 Only everyone who watched the Gong Show, that's who. Did not know she was a singer however.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 24, 2013 07:28 AM (mV8sg)



I watched the Gong Show and Hollywood Squares (on occasion) many many years ago.  But I don't remember her being that hawt.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 03:29 AM (lZvxr)

81 70 Vic, Yup....I am not discussing primry votes on crossing over it's a huge step. Were I there Vic as a voter I'd vote in Greene before Graham.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:29 AM (PlEPv)

82 75 Only everyone who watched the Gong Show, that's who. Did not know she was a singer however. Posted by: Darth Randall at June 24, 2013 07:28 AM (mV8sg) Remember "The Odd Couple" episode where she sang "Happy and Peppy and Bursting with Love?"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:29 AM (+98Gb)

83 79 I watched the Gong Show and Hollywood Squares (on occasion) many many years ago. But I don't remember her being that hawt. Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 07:29 AM (lZvxr It was the sequins.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:30 AM (+98Gb)

84 SCOTUS decisions and the House vote on Shamnesty should indicate if there is anything resembling a viable free Republic left in short order. I hesitate to to even consider what future voting may offer in terms of solutions or choices for that matter. If DC were to suddenly disappear in some sort of alien snatching exercise my views might shift a bit. But most aliens are busy on cable and overnight radio.

Posted by: ontherocks at June 24, 2013 03:31 AM (mecZb)

85 74 Once that wears thin, he will have a car accident. Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 24, 2013 07:28 AM (Gkhxf) X-Police. "Another drug-related incident..."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:31 AM (+98Gb)

86 Of course that picture was 1954 instead of 1964.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 03:31 AM (lZvxr)

87 78 FITP, Correct forcing the OP to oppose this by removing them by whatever means necessary in voting is a plan. A radical one yes, but a plan.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:31 AM (PlEPv)

88 I watched the Gong Show and Hollywood Squares (on occasion) many many years ago. But I don't remember her being that hawt.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 07:29 AM (lZvxr)


Those shows came on 20 years after that picture.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 24, 2013 03:32 AM (Gkhxf)

89 OUTSOURCING IN CHINA. US factory boss held hostage four days by workers in Beijing Chip Starnes, 42, a co-owner of Coral Springs, Florida-based Specialty Medical Supplies, said local officials had visited the 10-year-old plant on the capital's outskirts and coerced him into signing agreements Saturday to meet the workers' demands even though he sought to make clear that the remaining 100 workers weren't being laid off. 80 of them had been blocking every exit around the clock and depriving him of sleep by shining bright lights and banging on windows of his office. "I feel like a trapped animal," Starnes told The Associated Press on Monday from his first-floor office window, while holding onto the window's bars. "I think it's inhumane what is going on right now. I have been in this area for 10 years and created a lot of jobs and I would never have thought in my wildest imagination something like this would happen." By LOUISE WATT, My Way News

Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 03:33 AM (MhA4j)

90 Good for you, Sven, I always expect to see my name on the most frequent poster too (I work PT) so have more time, but am glad when I don't see it. :^) This place can be addictive. I just know it's better to take some time off when people either get so angry they're likely to have apoplexy, and too many people here and elsewhere need folks here to be well , or so despairing that they just want to sit in a corner and cry. The Bible affirms rough, rough times for many folks throughout history, but the prophets challenge them, sometimes give them the what for and still give them hope despite that. And it't amazing how much better one can feel when you do the equivalent of "smelling the roses" One needs to do that to have the energy to continue the journey. It's called Sabbath. Be well, man.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 03:34 AM (/wToa)

91 Read The Fucking Bill You Mother Fucking Mother Fuckers.


I need harsher profanity.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at June 24, 2013 03:34 AM (Gk3SS)

92 This is a handy tool, because it allows us to sow confusion to the enemy!

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 07:24 AM (GoIUi)

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A very useful tool indeed, but depending on the contents of Snowden's melon which are now, or shortly will be, in the hands of the MSS and SVR it may be a d*mned expensive one.

Posted by: Nighthawk at June 24, 2013 03:34 AM (OtQXp)

93 I give you, Jaye P. Morgan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz4ii0gbf3Q&list=PL9CE72682C9322110

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:34 AM (+98Gb)

94 88 Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 07:33 AM (MhA4j) What the fuck is that?! The SEIU is now in China?!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:35 AM (+98Gb)

95 90 AlexTheChick, Or stompier boots ma'am..... They know what's in the bill that is why I am scorched Earth now.....

Posted by: sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:35 AM (PlEPv)

96 The Supreme court! All they need is more fat ass dumbfuck wise latina in there and they are dead in the water, as goes congress . How did we get all these RINO squishes in the house? They will vote up illegal alien amnesty. I can feel it! See ya all later, I will be back in country soon, down on the Rio Grande enforcing our borders with a "ma Deuce" . Cut them border hoppers in half and let them criminals float down the river. Executive order my ass! If you don't want to enforce the border we shall! Signed Pissed off Texican, the last free Republic!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 03:36 AM (QZlLn)

97

 

"I need harsher profanity."

 

Sometimes, there just aren't enough "fucks".

--------------Forrest Gump___________

Posted by: FITP at June 24, 2013 03:36 AM (14Dy6)

98 #91  As I said,  I make no judgement on Snowden's merits or perfidy.  I just don't know who to believe in all of this.

However,  I am choosing to make lemonade from lemons,  and use the tools I have.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 03:36 AM (GoIUi)

99 Yes, that is quite a few years later.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 03:37 AM (lZvxr)

100 And Nelson Mandela seems poised to join the choir invisible. Say what you want about apartheid, Nelson Mandela in his day murdered quite a few people and was also not a big fan of teh Jooz.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:38 AM (+98Gb)

101 #93 #88  Heh.  I thought it was the Wisconsin unions,  myself.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 03:38 AM (GoIUi)

102 "Call to fall"-a day to fall on our knees and pray for our nation this Sunday, June 30th. A time of prayer for individuals and churches. See a description and video about prayer in the very first Congress: http://nationaldayofprayer.org/call-2-fall-june-30/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 03:38 AM (/wToa)

103 88 PanzerNashhorn,

China will not save us...the Commies are frisky there.

The best we can hope for is a devolution to warlordism...of course we lack leadership willing to aid an insurgency or political movement because well "smart power"

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:38 AM (LRFds)

104 She has to shmear them on me. And the cucumbers will be sliced first!!!! Just the tip?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 03:38 AM (p9JxP)

105 However, I am choosing to make lemonade from lemons, and use the tools I have. Amen, sister. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 03:39 AM (/wToa)

106 99 JJ Sefton,

let's go necklacing....for the best of everything...

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:39 AM (LRFds)

107 90 Congress members gross dereliction of duty, again. The American Citizenry v. Hallucinating Representation

Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 03:39 AM (MhA4j)

108 103 Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 07:38 AM (p9JxP) I said shmear them ON me not IN me.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:39 AM (+98Gb)

109 105 99 JJ Sefton, let's go necklacing....for the best of everything... Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:39 AM (LRFds) Huh? No savvy?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:40 AM (+98Gb)

110 Nelson Mandela is probably dead and is being held in cold storage so that Obama's Grand African Tour can coincide with his funeral.

Obama will stir up the already high level of hatred between South Africans,  and the anger and violence wil spread to other countries.

My only hope is that George Bush,  who is visiting some other countries in Africa (although he will be in Tanzania at the same time) will draw bigger crowds and speak calming words.

Bush is going with Laura to promote screening for cervical cancer,  in order to save lives.  Obama is going for a photo op. 

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 03:41 AM (GoIUi)

111 Oh. ye4s. I'm going to send a can of sardines and a card to Schumer too. Off to get another can of stinking fish. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 03:41 AM (/wToa)

112 Nah Gabe SCotUS won't play dodgeball...Roberts is feeling frisky....

he will strike down DOMA b/c Federalism and he will strike down Prop 8 b/c Supremacy...

values and ethics he's got as many as you need....he and Kennedy

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:41 AM (LRFds)

113 I suspect John Roberts will sell us out. After Barry bitch-slapped him at the State of the Union address he's been a craven bitch. I hope he gets cancer of the testicle.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 03:42 AM (uhAkr)

114 Damn the hammer was quick.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 03:43 AM (MnSla)

115 108 JJ Sefton,

Winnie enjoyed the spectacle...

you take a Jerry Can of diesel, a tire, a neck.....


need I go on?

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:43 AM (LRFds)

116 I hadn't even thought of them keeping Mandela on ice for a photo op for Obama, but it sounds like something they would do.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 03:43 AM (/wToa)

117

Vic,

 

What in your mind is the BEST CURE for a broken Heart?

And while I'm at it...."Sudden loss of Throttle at Freeway speed in a 95' Ford Explorer "Eddie Bauer" ...just "Cuts Out!!"...WTF!!!...Already changed out the "Throttle Body" Valve and replaced the fuel filter.......

 

is my ride HUANTED????

Posted by: Richard at June 24, 2013 03:43 AM (FTU43)

118 88, 93, 100 It was the bit about government officials coercing the business owner to sign documents to benefit the idiots who aren't getting laid-off. While keeping their jobs, those dumb bells want the save severance package as the workers who've lost their jobs. And the police are there to make certain that "Yankee" from Florida pays up on demand or stays in his self fashioned cage, the office. Aside, this past year, we've been reading that Chinese workers in big Nike type factories are caged slaves. Tit for tat?

Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 03:44 AM (MhA4j)

119 http://tinyurl.com/lknfrz4 Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 06:52 AM

The only way for Gomez to win the election tomorrow is to bus in several million semi-intelligent, independent voters who are not stupefied by the combination of a miasma of Free Shit, Irish politics and knee-jerk support for the corrupt, lazy loser that infects the MA voter.

Markey says he's "kinda like Kennedy" and the state's No-Information Voters swoon. Only here could a murdering drunk who never did an honesty day's work in his life, broke laws with impunity and drugged himself into morbidly obese immobility be regarded as a "role model." Teddy's last wife has been stumping for Markey, too.

In other words, even an principle-free  pro-amnesty liberal can't win in MA, unless he's a member of the proper tribe and calls himself a Democrat.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 24, 2013 03:45 AM (/RIVS)

120 Maybe this will help with the Monday blahs.  Jessica Nigri and friends.

http://tinyurl.com/m9v42n5

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 03:45 AM (wPxCh)

121 109 Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 07:41 AM (GoIUi) I had dinner with some folks from SA, both hard lefties and oddly enough the had high praise for Dubya because of his crusade against AIDS. They blasted SCOAMF (I was stunned to hear it). In fact, George W. Bush is as huge a hero in sub-Saharan Africa as Ronald Reagan is in eastern Europe.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:45 AM (+98Gb)

122 #115  FenelonSpoke,  you do not have the deeply cynical mind that I have developed over 20 years of watching these people.

I pray for the continued health of George Herbert Walker Bush,  because I do not want you-know-who to speak at his funeral.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 03:45 AM (GoIUi)

123 people that will use an obscure youtube vid to try and divert blame surely wouldn't keep a dude on ice for a PR stunt, would they?

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 03:45 AM (MnSla)

124 Richard, you didnt run out of gas

Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2013 03:45 AM (CMlD4)

125 114 need I go on? Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:43 AM (LRFds) Nein. Ich vershtayst.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:46 AM (+98Gb)

126 The Amnesty  Bill and the Repubs remind me of how my day started.  Had a strong urine stream and solid bowel movement at 6:00 AM.  Unfortunately, did not wake up until 7:00 AM.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at June 24, 2013 03:46 AM (GgPam)

127 In fact, George W. Bush is as huge a hero in sub-Saharan Africa as Ronald Reagan is in eastern Europe.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 07:45 AM (+98Gb)



He's well thought of in India as well.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 03:46 AM (9TDD8)

128

Posted by: Bob Dole at June 24, 2013 07:41 AM (G6kli)

 

Someone flush this guy.  As to the substance of the comment, Thomas has been a consistent conservative on the court, whereas the wise Latina has been a consitent idiot.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 24, 2013 03:46 AM (sQ0LB)

129 122 JoeTheFatman,

No no of course not...

I'm touched Giggles is not just rushing next to Nelson Mandela's Bedside to resurrect him....


Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:47 AM (LRFds)

130 @ 96, I need more fucks. You Sir are cracking me up. Well done sir.

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 03:47 AM (QZlLn)

131 #120  Yes,  I know that he is.  You never hear about it here,  though.  Some countries  even made fabric with his picture on it.

Hey,  here's another thought!  Dubya will dance with Africans and has no compunction about looking a little goofy.

But as the Ellen Show demonstrated,  Obama has zero talent or inclination in that regard.

HA!

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 03:47 AM (GoIUi)

132 119 http://tinyurl.com/m9v42n5 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 07:45 AM (wPxCh) Fake breasteses and star of David on the hat. Still...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:48 AM (+98Gb)

133 I pray for the continued health of George Herbert Walker Bush, because I do not want you-know-who to speak at his funeral.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 07:45 AM (GoIUi)



I can't discuss Poppy Bush in non-banworthy terms.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 03:48 AM (9TDD8)

134 130 Miss Marple,

the pic of Barry dressed up as a holy warrior for the Big Mo is sorta the gold standard of dorkiness

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:49 AM (LRFds)

135 127

He's why I made the remark about the hammer being so quick. Smash

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 03:49 AM (MnSla)

136

Yup "I'M UP!!"

and most ready to skin me some

 

wimp..........

Posted by: Richard at June 24, 2013 03:49 AM (FTU43)

137 #132  Not asking that you like the guy.  Just pointing out that we do not want to hear an Obama eulogy,  which would be very political and divisive,  set in a church,  to boot.

Big picture,  Captain Hate. 

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 03:50 AM (GoIUi)

138 Captain Hate, you said you're a NE Ohio guy, right?  Was up at Geneva on the Lake for a wine festival yesterday, is that in your neck of the woods?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 24, 2013 03:50 AM (sQ0LB)

139 125 Ammo Dump,

it's why I sleep in the bathtub...amiIright or am I right?

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:50 AM (LRFds)

140 In fact, George W. Bush is as huge a hero in sub-Saharan Africa as Ronald Reagan is in eastern Europe.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 07:45 AM (+98Gb)


Bush looked at them and said, "These people aren't helpless but need some help with some serious issues."  Until then, they had been viewed with pity and treated as inferiors.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 24, 2013 03:50 AM (Gkhxf)

141 let's go necklacing....for the best of everything... Pearl?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 03:51 AM (p9JxP)

142 No time to read all the comments.  I'm not particularly interested in the "where's waldo" game being played with Snowden.  I can't really understand why anyone would be, but hey, people gotta have their hobbies.

Isn't it ironic though, that we're now relying on leakers to tell us what Snowden is up to?  Can you have it both ways, where you condemn him for leaking, and then rely on leakers for all your information about him and everything else about this story? 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 24, 2013 03:51 AM (BeSEI)

143 #133  Exactly.  Obama's white side surfaces when he is in exotic climes,  giving the picture of extreme dorkiness when contrasted with the natives.

I hope that ultra-expensive bullet-proof suit he wears is extremely HOT causing flop sweat wherever he goes.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 03:52 AM (GoIUi)

144 Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 24, 2013 07:50 AM (sQ0LB)



Yes, Geneva's about a half hour drive.  I wish I'd have known you were going.  Some of the wines out there are ok; not great but definitely a lot better than they used to be.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 03:52 AM (9TDD8)

145 139 zombie john gotti,

Yup...hell had 9/11 not happened I think he would have tried to engage in realpolitik and empower African nations worth the time...

the lack of credit to Bush is more evidence of the willful silence of the media when we don't fit their narrative...even Bono admits Bush was better for Africa but it doesn't matter....

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:53 AM (LRFds)

146 142 I hope that ultra-expensive bullet-proof suit he wears is extremely HOT causing flop sweat wherever he goes. Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 07:52 AM (GoIUi) He is flop-sweat... under Reggie's foreskin.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:53 AM (+98Gb)

147 Are you guys pissed about this? I'm Pissed about this! I'm angry about them shoving Obamacare down our throats, The NSA, and every other 3 letter acronym spying on my pillow talk to the wife. And the upcoming illegal alien get on welfare, medicaid bonanza that you I I have to pay for! What are you wussies going to do about it except for whine like little girls on some blog? OK its a good blog, but still! Don't post it, just do it!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 03:53 AM (QZlLn)

148 Miss Marple, he's too stupid to have flop sweat.  "Sometimes I even believe my own bullsh*t," remember?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 24, 2013 03:53 AM (sQ0LB)

149 I need CBD's ruling on this.  WTF?

http://www.ufunk.net/musique/prktrnic/

I guess J.J. Sefton in other words not bad for a Monday?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 03:53 AM (wPxCh)

150 140 rickb223,

How ya doin'?

//B Frank esq

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:53 AM (LRFds)

151 142
MM
I hope he catches ebola. But that's just me being stupid. We'd never get that lucky.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 03:54 AM (MnSla)

152 Winnie enjoyed the spectacle... you take a Jerry Can of diesel, a tire, a neck. Ahhh, Baby Doc style. Not Jaye P. Morgan Pearl style. Damn having to drive to work & only being able to read & post at red lights.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 03:54 AM (p9JxP)

153 let's go necklacing....for the best of everything...


Pearl?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 07:51 AM (p9JxP)

-------

More like "steel belted radial" actually.

Posted by: Nighthawk at June 24, 2013 03:54 AM (OtQXp)

154 148 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 07:53 AM (wPxCh) I don't think they're kosher. But they'd probably taste good with J.P. Morgan's cucumbers 'n kraut.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:55 AM (+98Gb)

155 136 The current Potus would not be asked to speak, much less give the eulogy. Merely to be "Present" along with the other vips.

Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 03:57 AM (MhA4j)

156

Captain, planning would have been in vain I'm afraid.  Mrs. Crank and I went up Saturday, only to find out that our dog which had come with us was not allowed on the festival grounds despite not being posted anywhere on the website.  The plan was to get there early afternoon on Sunday, ended up getting there around 5.  Still got to taste close to 60 different wines from 15 different wineries--may favorite was actually a meadery up there, starts with an M, bought a case of stuff there.  The main drag looks like it's straight out of 1950s Coney Island, except with more tattoos on the patrons.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 24, 2013 03:57 AM (sQ0LB)

157
This is so sad:

Lifehacker: Turn Frozen Tater Tots Into Homestyle Hash Browns with a Waffle Iron

http://tinyurl.com/nxbxvgf

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 24, 2013 03:57 AM (kdS6q)

158 146 What are you wussies going to do about it except for whine like little girls on some blog? OK its a good blog, but still! Don't post it, just do it! Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 07:53 AM (QZlLn) I am open to any suggestion that will a) be IMMEDIATELY effective in stopping this madness and... b) not involve bloodshed, at least not my own. I am all ears.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:57 AM (+98Gb)

159 Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 07:53 AM (QZlLn) It's federal. We can't escape it, unless we live in the mountains. And the crowds of LIVs don't give a crap either. I'm stocking guns and ammo, not sure what you're advocating!

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 03:57 AM (X4HxX)

160 152 Nighthawk,

Quite...now analyze the deification of the Mandelas and understand they were killing blacks for the sin of not being isolationist commie shits....

the left excuses their violence and terrorism and just Jedi Mind Tricks away mention of it in the media here....

Charlie Rose waves hand "he made changes through peaceful means"

derp he was a man of peace.....

and we're not allowed to contemplate giving Larry "Soufie" O'onnell the opportunity to "show me tough guy" when he makes threats against our candidates' family.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:57 AM (LRFds)

161 140 rickb223, How ya doin'? Hanging. Keeping the head down. Keeping the foxhole clean. You?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 03:58 AM (p9JxP)

162 let's go necklacing....for the best of everything...
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:39 AM (LRFds)


Huh? No savvy?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 07:40 AM (+98Gb)

Mandela's wife, while he was in prison, specialized in terrorizing the opposition by placing a tire around the neck of some poor shlub, then filling the tire with gasoline and setting it on fire.  This was known as necklacing.  Mandela did not get his hands dirty with this and he divorced her.  After he came to power, he did nothing to stop the murder of White S. Africans on their farms.  Apartheid was awful, but, Mandela does not have clean hands.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 24, 2013 03:58 AM (kXoT0)

163 156 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 24, 2013 07:57 AM (kdS6q) No that's how you make a Kafka waffle. But it's missing the arsenic and wood shavings.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 03:58 AM (+98Gb)

164 Rubio = HISPANIC MATT DAMON!!!

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 03:59 AM (X4HxX)

165 @141: The MFM likes the Snowden game because it distracts from the central message of "Obama is watching you fap" that's resonating with too many people for the regime's comfort.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 24, 2013 03:59 AM (OevbG)

166 146 -

If you believed in what you are saying, wouldn't you be, you know, out there doing, instead of yelling at people on a blog for not being out there doing? 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 24, 2013 03:59 AM (BeSEI)

167 Morning all. And here's to snowden dying a painful and horrible death and soon

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 03:59 AM (9Bj8R)

168 Sen. Charles Schumer threatens House GOP to pass amnesty bill similar to Senate bill or face mass protests by illegal aliens. Schumer also demands House GOP keep "path to citizenship" and dump the Hastert Rule to avoid 1million pissed off Hispanics on the Mall in D.C.

Posted by: Skip at June 24, 2013 04:00 AM (0FcyN)

169 I still wonder if South Africa or Sud Afrika will Balkanize when Mandela is no longer there as a unifying figurehead.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 04:00 AM (wPxCh)

170 "I would like to lodge a complaint with the management that there is no Spanish language version of this blog." -Chi-Town Jerry FreeTranslation.com is your friend. Good Morning. Today, things start turning around. Just watch!

Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at June 24, 2013 04:01 AM (i5xnd)

171 What in your mind is the BEST CURE for a broken Heart?
And while I'm at it...."Sudden loss of Throttle at Freeway speed in a 95' Ford Explorer "Eddie Bauer" ...just "Cuts Out!!"...WTF!!!...Already changed out the "Throttle Body" Valve and replaced the fuel filter.......

is my ride HUANTED????

Posted by: Richard at June 24, 2013 07:43 AM (FTU43)


Sounds like electronic ignition.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 04:01 AM (lZvxr)

172 Stompie Moeketsi just wants to say...


"don't worry Nelson and I will play with the Mandela United Football Squad"

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:01 AM (LRFds)

173 164 -

And I can understand the media being part of the Obama p.r. campaign, it's the supposed "conservatives" who are doing  it that have me wondering. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 24, 2013 04:01 AM (BeSEI)

174 I vaguely remember fapping to Jaye P Morgan as an adolescent. It's going to be fun to see which AP writer will have to retract his story about the amazing plane ride he had with Snowden from Moscow to Cuba

Posted by: Albie Damned at June 24, 2013 04:01 AM (7+iaE)

175 161 Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 24, 2013 07:58 AM (kXoT0) Okay. By the way, I heard somewhere that blacks in South Africa are NOT indigenous to the land, which was essentially unpopulated until the Europeans came. They imported blacks for cheap labor, and over the years the myth that they were there first was born. Just like "Palestinians" and "La Raza." And the beat goes on...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 04:02 AM (+98Gb)

176 Spy boy: Wtf does four laptops mean in this age of flash drives anyway? Sounds seriously stupid, but I don' know nothin', only been a computerist for 'bout 35 years, or more....

Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at June 24, 2013 04:02 AM (i5xnd)

177 @158, Hobo Jerky Exactly! You got my point! I't hard to get, Its 8 PM in China, I am drink as as a skunk and I still have pants on. I removing pants to join the moron horde , damn the skeeters and full speed ahead!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 04:02 AM (QZlLn)

178 167 Sen. Charles Schumer threatens House GOP to pass amnesty bill similar to Senate bill or face mass protests by illegal aliens. Thug who exhorted IRS to attack conservative citizens now threatens conservative lawmakers with protests by foreigners.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 04:02 AM (uhAkr)

179 Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at June 24, 2013 08:02 AM (i5xnd) Some tech people are tech pack rats. He might be one.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 04:02 AM (X4HxX)

180 168 Ms Puma,

Six of one a half dozen of the other...

they're very ably dismantling their economy so commies tend to greed out on the scraps...

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:03 AM (LRFds)

181

Any

Metro's of the "People's Mag" Sexual. wishing to bray like the San Fran donkey licking Nancy's (personal peripherals) ...yes indeed we will so be ..........crushing your  ass into a useful substance with which  to make gears to pump OIL from the ground.. I only stay in this state so I might have front row seats to watch you FUCKERS BLEED OUT AND DIE!!! 

Posted by: Richard at June 24, 2013 04:03 AM (FTU43)

182 Let the illegals come and protest on the Mall.  Let the La Raza types and the professional leftist agitators from OWS come and do their thing.  Then when they start burning and destroying sh*t, show it on every newscast.  Even MSDNC won't be able to ignore bonfires at the base of the Lincoln Memorial.  Maybe that will snap some LIVs to what's actually going on.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 24, 2013 04:03 AM (sQ0LB)

183 Posted by: MrScribbler at June 24, 2013 07:45 AM (/RIVS)


Gomez is a Democrat, he only has an "R" after his name.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 04:04 AM (lZvxr)

184 The main drag looks like it's straight out of 1950s Coney Island, except with more tattoos on the patrons.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 24, 2013 07:57 AM (sQ0LB)



The carney area's definitely a magnet for white trash like the Painesville area meth-heads.  The park by there is nice to walk through although on a hot day like yesterday it can feel pretty oppressive unless there's a breeze off the lake.  The lodge area got spiffed up quite a bit; at least it was nice when Mrs H and I stopped by there for lunch a year ago.  Where was the wine festival set up?

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 04:04 AM (9TDD8)

185 Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:57 AM (LRFds)

==========

Yep- yet another of the Left's Sacred Cows.

Posted by: Nighthawk at June 24, 2013 04:04 AM (OtQXp)

186

@167 ...........or face mass protests by illegal aliens.        

Would be a good time to round 'em up and kick their asses back across the river.

Posted by: Case at June 24, 2013 04:04 AM (9mWut)

187 I am all ears. Posted by: J.J. Sefton http://tinyurl.com/l3ye3nv Sign the national petition sponsored by Sen. Ted Cruz, for Legal Immigration and Secure Border with NO AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS. linky Gateway Pundit: http://tinyurl.com/k8644sq Fundamentally, the current comprehensive reform bill is fatally flawed.

Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 04:05 AM (MhA4j)

188 182 Vic,

You call it fraud....

Reince Priebus and the RNC call it 1/3d of our Senatorial delegation

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:05 AM (LRFds)

189 177 167 Sen. Charles Schumer threatens House GOP to pass amnesty bill similar to Senate bill or face mass protests by illegal aliens. Thug who exhorted IRS to attack conservative citizens now threatens conservative lawmakers with protests by foreigners. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 08:02 AM (uhAkr) I wish someone on our side would get in that fuck's face and say, "so you're threatening to incite a riot if you don't get your way?!" Jeff Sessions should get in his face and tell him to fuck off, just like War-cock Cheney did to Leahy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 04:05 AM (+98Gb)

190 And one more time: Link for contact info for Senate: http://tinyurl.com/4ru1

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 04:05 AM (/wToa)

191 166 Morning all. And here's to snowden dying a painful and horrible death and soon ------------------------------------- Yes, because revealing that our government is violating the constitutional rights of its citizens should bring the death penalty.

Posted by: Skip at June 24, 2013 04:06 AM (93RDb)

192 So I still have a pre-paid envelope to the Republicans that I was going to send them my thoughts in. Are there any good letters floating around now I could put my name to, or do I need to try to limit the expletives and write my own?

Posted by: CaveWing at June 24, 2013 04:06 AM (O1/8v)

193 removing pants ....damn the skeeters and full speed ahead!
Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 08:02 AM

******

Soy Sauce and Vaseline makes great repellant

Posted by: Beto at June 24, 2013 04:06 AM (VWfCN)

194 The irony of Sud Afrika might be the Zulus and Boers retaking the whole country.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 04:06 AM (wPxCh)

195 186 Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 08:05 AM (MhA4j) Way ahead of you. But I don't think anything is going to stop this. Our will is being ignored and subverted. If I had the power to organize a million people to march on DC right now, I would do it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 04:06 AM (+98Gb)

196 Posted by: Skip at June 24, 2013 08:06 AM (93RDb) Let's focus on what counts: Statists are quite embarrassed by the whole thing.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 04:07 AM (X4HxX)

197 Later folks

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 04:07 AM (MnSla)

198 Wine festival was on the stretch of grass behind the Old Firehouse Winery, maybe a quarter mile west from that DQ/Pizza/Grill place that they advertised on every billboard once you got off I-90.  The guy who runs it says there used to be an amusement park on the site?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 24, 2013 04:07 AM (sQ0LB)

199 193 Ms Puma,

If South Africa were ever a functioning non racial supremacy Constitutional Republic there's worse places...

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:07 AM (LRFds)

200 191 So I still have a pre-paid envelope to the Republicans that I was going to send them my thoughts in. Are there any good letters floating around now I could put my name to, or do I need to try to limit the expletives and write my own? Posted by: CaveWing at June 24, 2013 08:06 AM (O1/8v) It will take a little time but I'm a demon when it comes to letter writing.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 04:08 AM (+98Gb)

201 Spy boy: Wtf does four laptops mean in this age of flash drives anyway? Sounds seriously stupid, but I don' know nothin', only been a computerist for 'bout 35 years, or more....

Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at June 24, 2013 08:02 AM (i5xnd)

Can you say CLOUD?  If he's da schnizzel as a computer guy, a flash drive with a few links and ultra complex passwords could point him towards whatever server farm(s) he was utilizing. 

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 24, 2013 04:08 AM (kXoT0)

202 194 JJ Sefton,

who's up for a road trip and million moron march?

I'm heading South this week anyway...

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:08 AM (LRFds)

203 Are there any good letters floating around now I could put my name to, or do I need to try to limit the expletives and write my own? Posted by: CaveWing at June 24, 2013 08:06 AM (O1/8v) Write your own. I think that makes a difference.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 04:09 AM (X4HxX)

204 182 Posted by: MrScribbler at June 24, 2013 07:45 AM (/RIVS) Gomez is a Democrat, he only has an "R" after his name. Yep. Gomez would be identical to Markey except he'd make the bill bipartisan. And yes, Markey is very bad. Just accept MA is gonna have a bad Senator.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 04:09 AM (uhAkr)

205 Stompie Moeketsi just wants to say...


"don't worry Nelson and I will play with the Mandela United Football Squad"

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 08:01 AM (LRFds)



That lying commie whore skated on that murder, no?

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 04:09 AM (9TDD8)

206 181 Let the illegals come and protest on the Mall. Let the La Raza types and the professional leftist agitators from OWS come and do their thing. Then when they start burning and destroying sh*t, show it on every newscast. Even MSDNC won't be able to ignore bonfires at the base of the Lincoln Memorial. Maybe that will snap some LIVs to what's actually going on. Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 24, 2013 08:03 AM (sQ0LB) If it looks anything like a typical NYC Puerto Rican Day parade, then we're home free! Except for the muggings and gang molestations.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 04:09 AM (+98Gb)

207 Skip, AllenG (who has a blog, did you know?) posted an open letter to Rick Perry last week on his blog.  Much of it is governor specific language, but it conveys the general spirit of federal overreach, might given you something to start from.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 24, 2013 04:09 AM (sQ0LB)

208 Jobs Bill snuck into amendment for Go8 bill: I can hear the bill squealing from here!

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 04:10 AM (X4HxX)

209 201 194 JJ Sefton, who's up for a road trip and million moron march? I'm heading South this week anyway... Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 08:08 AM (LRFds) It's today. Unless you were waiting until it goes to the House. Actually, not a bad idea.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 04:10 AM (+98Gb)

210

It's funny how the U.S. intel apparatus and members of Congress have poo-pooh'd Snowden's access, but now the U.S. has a global hunt on for him.  And those four laptops?  I'm guessing they're props and Snowden parked the encrypted stuff on the Web somewhere.  The Chinese probably looked at them, said "Meh.." and figured "This guy's got nothing. Let's rattle the U.S.'s cage and send him over to Russia. We'll watch how they react and that'll tell us if the stuff he has is any good.  If it is, we've got a deal with Russia to get a peek at it."  The purpose of intelligence isn't to find out information.  It's to confirm what you already know.

Posted by: Manolo at June 24, 2013 04:11 AM (unmkx)

211
Transgendered 1st grader wins the right to use girls' restroom

http://tinyurl.com/lq6dp32




Because playing dress-up in now an irreversible lifestyle choice.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 24, 2013 04:12 AM (kdS6q)

212 207 Jobs Bill snuck into amendment for Go8 bill: I can hear the bill squealing from here! Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 08:10 AM (X4HxX) Bernie fuckin' Sanders. Wouldst that I could reanimate Joe McCarthy...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 04:13 AM (+98Gb)

213 Good Morning. I was thinking that it's very confusing to one's brain, when you find that you may actually like someone who should be a clear enemy (Putin) over your own President. I watch the two of them and I think wow, that freaking Communist really loves his country, and seems to at least give lip service to protecting his homeland and people. Our Communist of course does everything he can to express his disdain for our country, and could give not even one shit about the people. How awful a feeling when you find yourself unable to tell who the good guys are anymore. And I don't know how to feel about Snowden, I'm conflicted, the fact that he pissed of the right people gives me pleasure, but at the same time If he went over the line, that's not good either. Although, Is it treason when the government isn't following the rules, or is the beginning of things falling apart within the government? Is he really a douche? or Someone who felt helpless in watching what we see every day and decided to take steps to change it? I'm mean eventually, when the government, all branches turn their backs on the citizens, and the citizens start fighting back... Will they be considered law breakers if the tactics they start using are not "cool" with the government. Maybe I've had too much coffee. Sorry for the rant.

Posted by: spypeach at June 24, 2013 04:13 AM (0n1+D)

214 204 Captain Hate,

functionally...

Nelson didn't divorce her legally 'til 1996....

and then because she shook her booty with other dudes and(dames allegedly)

I'm told the standard I am held to is if I don't denounce the actions of an alleged conservative I condone it....

well I'll hold Nelson to that standard

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:13 AM (LRFds)

215 PRISM stopped a gazillion terrorist threats! If it weren't for that meddling Snowden *shakes fist*

Posted by: NSA Stooge at June 24, 2013 04:13 AM (X4HxX)

216 I still have a pre-paid envelope to the Republicans that I was going to send them my thoughts in....

Posted by: CaveWing at June 24, 2013 08:06 AM (O1/8v)


Don't even use your own paper for the note. Write in Sharpie on their solicitation.

Posted by: Beto at June 24, 2013 04:13 AM (VWfCN)

217 Yes, because revealing that our government is violating the constitutional rights of its citizens should bring the death penalty. Posted by: Skip at June 24, 2013 08:06 AM (93RDb) Because he released classified information and ran off to our most bitter enemies. It is not for snowden to decide what is, or what is not, secret and he signed an oath to that effect. And your confusing to separate issues.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 04:13 AM (9Bj8R)

218

Off partial bird sock!


 

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 08:08 AM (+98Gb)

 

If you feel up to it, that would be pretty great. I've tried a few rough drafts and keep deleting them because I started feeling bad for the intern that would have to read them.

Posted by: CaveJohnson at June 24, 2013 04:14 AM (O1/8v)

219 Million Moron march? Is there really a million of us? OK , maybe not but if it's more than12 (thats 13 for you those of you drunk as me) u, count me in! i would fly back for that. Thanks Beto for the vaseline skeeter repellant advice. I didn't have any of that, so I used vinegar. Upside is no skeeters. Downside is I smell like a salad!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 04:14 AM (QZlLn)

220 After he came to power, he did nothing to stop the murder of White S. Africans on their farms. Apartheid was awful, but, Mandela does not have clean hands.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 24, 2013 07:58 AM (kXoT0)


Mandela and the ANC were big time commies.  The Boers were Nazi sympathizers during WW II.  Anyone who couldn't predict how this was going to go was just a fool.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 24, 2013 04:15 AM (Gkhxf)

221 219 Zombie John Gotti,

hey now Murtaugh explained to me that the ANC was like the founding fathers...

(I didn't grasp he was saying of Russia)

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:16 AM (LRFds)

222

They will keep him around as long as he is a good propaganda tool. For a while, they will be able to parade him around and show off how incompetent our government is. Once that wears thin, he will have a car accident.

 

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 24, 2013 07:28 AM (Gkhxf)

 

Come on, he's not too young to have a "heart attack".

Posted by: steveegg at June 24, 2013 04:17 AM (o44nj)

223 The Country Club Republicans ramming through the (shared values) "bipartisan" comprehensively corrupt reform bills will NOT themselves tolerate the amnesty-illegal populations living in their neighborhoods, attending school with their kids, taking their jobs, clogging up their medical treatment availability and affordability to survive. The Open Borders 'thousand points of light' from 'compassionate' neoconservative elitists require suckers to enable. Oligarchy, American Style Brought to you by your "betters" who choose the most "electable" dingbats who, btw, refuse to read let alone think and utilize logic before "voting" to ignore the US Constitution and the US Citizenry, "outmoded" since the trendy, worm ridden Wilson said so a hundred years ago. Asshats who vote the citizenry as redundant are too stupid to see that they've voted themselves as such.

Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 04:17 AM (MhA4j)

224 Because he released classified information and ran off to our most bitter enemies. It is not for snowden to decide what is, or what is not, secret and he signed an oath to that effect. And your confusing to separate issues. They're not separate. Go ahead and burn everybody who reveals our government is violating the Constitution. I'm sure that will encourage more people to come forward.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 04:17 AM (uhAkr)

225 "If you believed in what you are saying, wouldn't you be, you know, out there doing, instead of yelling at people on a blog for not being out there doing? : BurtTC I knew there was a logical fallacy in there, but didn't give it enough thought to see what. Thanks, Burt.

Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at June 24, 2013 04:20 AM (13IVx)

226 Because he released classified information and ran off to our most bitter enemies. It is not for snowden to decide what is, or what is not, secret and he signed an oath to that effect. And your confusing to separate issues.

So, you know, signing an oath to follow orders justifies following illegal orders then?

Just want to make sure that's what you're saying, because it sounds like it.


Further...at this point "our most bitter enemies" are actually the douchebags in *our* government.

Posted by: GMan at June 24, 2013 04:20 AM (sxq57)

227

219: It was not big secret that Mandela and the ANC were big-time communists.  The U.S. press went ga ga over him because of their "white guilt" and deference to communism.  Aparthied gave them the cause they needed to justify their cleansing of Mandela and the ANC.  It's the same thing that got Obama elected.  The lapdog U.S. press is just as complicit in the sad state of South Africa today as they are in the sad state of the United States.

Posted by: Manolo at June 24, 2013 04:21 AM (unmkx)

228 Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 24, 2013 08:07 AM (sQ0LB)



I just went to the website and it sounds like they had things set up well with lots of Ahia wineries from as far away as Clodumbus.  Was Ferrante not there because I didn't see their name which is kind of strange because they're like a local name who markets themselves well and have a nice little setup a little to the south of where you were.  It would be disappointing if they think they're too snooty to associate with the riff-raff.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 04:21 AM (9TDD8)

229 Whatever else Snowden did, he deliberately gave China and probably Russia highly classified information that will only be used to hurt the US. No Patriot does that shit.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 04:22 AM (ZshNr)

230

221They will keep him around as long as he is a good propaganda tool. For a while, they will be able to parade him around and show off how incompetent our government is. Once that wears thin, he will have a car accident.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 24, 2013 07:28 AM (Gkhxf)

Come on, he's not too young to have a "heart attack".

....Or go sightseeing and "slip and fall" off a cliff.

Posted by: Manolo at June 24, 2013 04:22 AM (unmkx)

231 223 Bevel L,

I'm sure asking Eric Holder to investigate NSA would be just as effective as asking Eric Holder to investigate Eric Holder....

frankly any NSA program or system designed to spy on Americans deserves to be burned period...

that is even *if* they were spying on Mosques and the "correct" usual suspects

add in Ogabe's willful refusal to use the spying for useful intelligence work....sorry the prize is too big and his fans have already established "fuck the law" in several federal agencies...

I dislike Snowden but aiding the totalitarian left in sayiung don't look st surveillance nation look at SQUIRREL! misses an issue we can dispirit their nutroots with

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:23 AM (LRFds)

232 Hey some good guns came to America out of that conflict. We loves them African FAL's !

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 04:23 AM (QZlLn)

233

228Whatever else Snowden did, he deliberately gave China and probably Russia highly classified information that will only be used to hurt the US. No Patriot does that shit.

 

Agree.  The overture itself is troubling even if he doesn't have any goods.

Posted by: Manolo at June 24, 2013 04:24 AM (unmkx)

234
It is not for snowden to decide what is, or what is not, secret and he signed an oath to that effect.
Posted by: Nevergiveup




What happens in Wannsee stays in Wannsee.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 24, 2013 04:25 AM (kdS6q)

235

Yes Bevel, they are separate.

1.  Revealing the NSA is monitoring every phone call by every American in violation of 4th Amendment is legit whistle-blowing.

2. Running to Hong Kong and telling the Chinese what kind of intelligence the NSA is gathering on them is treason.

 

Neither of those is a necessary or sufficient condition for the other, ergo they are completely separate and it is perfectly consistent to praise the one and damn the other.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 24, 2013 04:25 AM (sQ0LB)

236 It's comforting to know that Nelson Mandela will be a perpetual Chicago voter.

Posted by: zsasz at June 24, 2013 04:25 AM (MMC8r)

237 228 LincolnTF,

I'm fairly certain nothing Snowden is doing will hurt the US more than Barky using our military strength to aid Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood....

it's a brave new world buddy and last time I checked all Snowden did was give data to our "allies*" China and Russia


* and yes I said ALLIES BECAUSE Schumer and Kerry both have said Russia and China are our allies...

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:25 AM (LRFds)

238

231Hey some good guns came to America out of that conflict.

We loves them African FAL's !

 

I believe Fabrique National is out of Belgium, right?  The FN FAL's a good gun, though.

Posted by: Manolo at June 24, 2013 04:25 AM (unmkx)

239 They're not separate. Go ahead and burn everybody who reveals our government is violating the Constitution. I'm sure that will encourage more people to come forward. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 08:17 AM (uhAkr) They are totally separate. All you people who hate obama, and no one hates him as much as I do, are letting that get in the way of your judgement. First of all we don't really know exactly what the NSA was up to or what they actually violated if anything. And even if they did, would you be birching as much if a conservative Republican was in the White House? And the 2 are totally separate. You just can NOT have people who work for the Military and the Intel COmmunity going around deciding on their own, what is secret and what is not. There would be mayhem and forget about any concept of security. We bitch and moan how obama is ruining America, ruining our Military, ruining the Intel Agencies but your OK with any tom, dick and harry releasing what ever tickles their fancy? What kind of logic is that? And sure there were other avenues open to this SOB. How about the NY Times or Washington Post. That worked pretty good for Daniel Ellsberg

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 04:26 AM (9Bj8R)

240 Jobs Bill snuck into amendment for Go8 bill:

--

It's an amnesty bill, a jobs bill, a tourist bill and a stimulus bill...all-in-one.    Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, there's nothing Super Schumer/Rubio Bill can't do!

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 24, 2013 04:26 AM (ovWeo)

241 It is not for snowden to decide what is, or what is not, secret and he signed an oath to that effect. Posted by: Nevergiveup What happens in Wannsee stays in Wannsee..... Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 24, 2013 08:25 AM (kdS6q) That's bullshit and beneath you to even try to compare this to the Final Solution.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 04:27 AM (9Bj8R)

242 Hate, that winery was not there.  I was also a little surprised that Firelands didn't have a booth there, they're not that far away.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 24, 2013 04:27 AM (sQ0LB)

243 228 Whatever else Snowden did, he deliberately gave China and probably Russia highly classified information that will only be used to hurt the US. No Patriot does that shit. I don't give a shit if Snowden thinks he's Napoleon. The biggest threat to me isn't China or Russia. It's the Gangster-Democrats in Washington.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 04:27 AM (uhAkr)

244 Totally OT, but this is AOSHQ so not really: Look at Sarah Palin over on Breitbart. Dear Lord that is an impressive set!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 04:27 AM (+98Gb)

245 227 Captain Hate,

part of my plan B....

I aim to use my democrat primary vote to caucus for Hispoanic reps in Ohio and other places....

let's empower the Mexicans to vote themselves into Kennebunkport

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:28 AM (LRFds)

246 237 231Hey some good guns came to America out of that conflict. We loves them African FAL's ! I believe Fabrique National is out of Belgium, right? The FN FAL's a good gun, though. Posted by: Manolo at June 24, 2013 08:25 AM (unmkx) FN = Fabrique National. Belgium.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 04:28 AM (+98Gb)

247 Same logic used to defend shitbag Bradley Manning. "It's not as bad as....". It's treason and/or espionage whatever justifications he uses.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 04:29 AM (ZshNr)

248 Good morning and a plague upon both their houses. Rat bastards.

Posted by: SurferDoc at June 24, 2013 04:29 AM (F+av1)

249 Leakers are saying Now Gabe likes leakers?

Posted by: zsasz at June 24, 2013 04:29 AM (MMC8r)

250 @228 Lincoln, maybe you are right, But no patriot would sniff every letter, email, phone call etc. or have bloated "gummit" agencies target tea party guys , etc. The white house and congress elites deserve to be nuked, and die burning in the party at ground zero, every single one of those elitists. And if you are taking up for them, then F you and the retarded horse you rode in on. It's time to clean this mess up. It's been way too long!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 04:30 AM (QZlLn)

251 246 LincolnTF,

so catcvh him and convict him...I'm sure it'll have a far speedier resolution than say Major Hasan mi amigo...

"why is that?"

Sorry my "give a fuck" meter about the bio sheet of folks is just about gone...

Barack Ogabe could not have passed the clearance check Snowden got pencil whipped...

and as the warrior philosopher Hillary! Clinton said..."at this point what difference does it make?"

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:31 AM (LRFds)

252 The Boers were Nazi sympathizers during WW II. Anyone who couldn't predict how this was going to go was just a fool. 1. The Boers (Netherlands) were in "good" company with the new King of England, forced to abdicate for making public his Nazi endorsements of policy. As for the beginnings of what we today identify as "NAZI" look again at Woodrow Wilson, the monster authoritarian and master propagandist. From the USA to Britain, and finally to Germany, it was the US Government during Wilson's administration that began officially the Eugenics Movement, and political police his G-Men thugs, one-world-government, and the "Great War" aka The War To End All Wars to establish the pecking order and the most powerful nations' King of the Mountain to dictate global policy. 2. As for not allying with Britain during WWII, why would the Boers, since Britain had not only invaded their colonization and thieved their investments, but had invented the Concentration Camps v. Boer population during their Boer War. It wasn't as if the British, in winning the Boer War, ended apartheid. There were no European power "clean hands" in Africa. And from the looks of indigenous warfare, self inflicted genocides, it's hard to find any politically motivated "clean hands" in Africa, regardless of tribal or national origin.

Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 04:31 AM (MhA4j)

253
That's bullshit
Posted by: Nevergiveup



Keeping secrets, holding oaths and following orders is not an absolute virtue.  Whether that action is ultimately moral is situational.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 24, 2013 04:31 AM (kdS6q)

254 248 Zsasz,

it's complicated...


Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:31 AM (LRFds)

255 228 Whatever else Snowden did, he deliberately gave China and probably Russia highly classified information that will only be used to hurt the US. No Patriot does that shit. Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 08:22 AM (ZshNr) Must have missed that. How is our security being hurt? Oh, you mean propaganda. WH is embarrassed because they were making so much hay about hacking, and they are doing the same thing.

Posted by: NSA Stooge at June 24, 2013 04:32 AM (X4HxX)

256 And even if they did, would you be birching as much if a conservative Republican was in the White House? But that's the point - The GOP never used the IRS and EPA as weapons against the opposition party. You want to pretend a Chicago Gangster should have control of an NSA domestic program and it isn't a huge problem? You won't see a conservative win an election for dog catcher in the Deep South if we let the Dems have this power unrestricted. There's no telling how much they've already used it for. Bear in mind, they can't listen to mosques.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 04:32 AM (uhAkr)

257 Conservative Crank, are you an Ahian?  If you go there or anywhere close in the future, give me a heads up either here or it you're part of the moron yahoo group, which I am part of until I get pissed off at them filling up my in-box with dumbass shit.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 04:32 AM (9TDD8)

258 The NSA's activities have nothing to do with security and everything to do with power.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 04:32 AM (X4HxX)

259 Fuck off Roy Bean. I'm not "taking up" for anyone. I'm pointing out that a guy who bounces from dictatorship to dictatorship selling peeks at his hard drive is not exactly a hero. I'm glad the NSA story leaked, doesn't give Snowden a free pass.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 04:33 AM (ZshNr)

260 Snowden is not the story. He is the squirrel. Every fucking phone call you make and website you visit is the story.

Posted by: SurferDoc at June 24, 2013 04:33 AM (F+av1)

261

Gooood morning, all!   What new and exciting ways   will our gubmint choose to destroy the Republic today?   Will it be    amnesty?   Will it be    massive surveillance of innocent   citizens?    Or will it be something     that hasn't reared it's ugly head for a while, like climate change?  

 

*spins wheel*

 

Round and round and round it goes, where it stops...

 

...doesn't matter, because     no matter what    we're fucked.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 24, 2013 04:33 AM (4df7R)

262 252 Laurie David's Crotch,

correct and convicting Snowden of treason in absentia 45,000 times daily accomplishes nothing but act as chaff and flares for the potentially illegal actions by N$A.....

perspective....

I'm a lot more worried about N$A and its potential misdeeds than some likely patsies...


Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:33 AM (LRFds)

263 Keeping secrets, holding oaths and following orders is not an absolute virtue. Whether that action is ultimately moral is situational. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 24, 2013 08:31 AM (kdS6q) Sorry this is not the Holocaust and trying to drag that into this only muddies the waters.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 04:34 AM (9Bj8R)

264 255 Bevel L,

It is pretty funny that mule talking point 907 is one of the "good N$A whistleblowers" is now saying 9 years after the fact that N$A was "spying on Ogabe"...yeah I'm sure you'd have sat on that for oh 5 years after he was elected....

Bark alluded to it in his California "er uh I welcome this ah conversation and ah ah ah" speech

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:36 AM (LRFds)

265 255 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 08:32 AM (uhAkr) President * indeed (see sidebar). He stole the election by fucking up the Tea Party movement. Before last November, gauging from the mood of the country and the results of the 2010 midterms, a ham sandwich could have - should have - beaten the Mocha Marxist.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 04:36 AM (+98Gb)

266 But that's the point - The GOP never used the IRS and EPA as weapons against the opposition party. The NSA story would be markedly different if it hadn't come in the wake of the previous scandals involving this administration's targeting of its political 'enemies.'

Posted by: zsasz at June 24, 2013 04:36 AM (MMC8r)

267 Snowden is not the story. He is the squirrel. Every fucking phone call you make and website you visit is the story. Posted by: SurferDoc at June 24, 2013 08:33 AM (F+av1) ??? Maybe, but they were not actually listening. Only keeping a data base of who called who, when, and for how long. All information your carrier has anyway. I am not defending what they were doing, but I, nor you, know exactly what they were doing?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 04:36 AM (9Bj8R)

268

Hate, I am, living in Canal just SE of Columbus.  Might be making a trip to Sandusky over the Fourth, the better half hasn't told me my vacation schedule yet and I don't have a finalized work schedule yet either.  I am not part of the yahoo group.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 24, 2013 04:36 AM (sQ0LB)

269 258 I'm glad the NSA story leaked, doesn't give Snowden a free pass. Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 08:33 AM (ZshNr) THIS. Snowden should, and hopefully will, get his. But for now, the government persecuting We the People is the salient point that needs to be driven home.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 04:37 AM (+98Gb)

270 262 NeverGiveUp,

If it is no holocaust it is not b/c some in the Democrat Party don't want it

Bill Ayers is quite vocal about wanting "25,000,000 dead Republicans" and he is not politically toxic last time I checked...


Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:37 AM (LRFds)

271 Sorry this is not the Holocaust and trying to drag that into this only muddies the waters.

No, that is *precisely* the issue.  He broke an oath or a promise...but that promise turned out to be to hide something immoral (at best) and quite likely illegal.  I can't fault him for that while I can dislike where he went and what he's done since.

Posted by: GMan at June 24, 2013 04:37 AM (sxq57)

272 but what if the "government" appears to be less and less a legitimate government. And I'm not saying that with a tin foil hat on my head, or because my side didn't win. I'm saying it because it's clear that this government does not follow the constitution, is lying at every turn, and spying or worse on their citizens. Not to mention giving aid to our enemies, who are killing our young men and women, who by the way, are still dying over in Afghanistan. Are we're supposed to respect our government and behave like good little subjects even when we see Tyranny right in front of our face? What are we supposed to do, when all the avenues given to us by our founding fathers no longer work because the government is not playing by those rules anymore?

Posted by: spypeach at June 24, 2013 04:39 AM (0n1+D)

273 If it is no holocaust it is not b/c some in the Democrat Party don't want it Bill Ayers is quite vocal about wanting "25,000,000 dead Republicans" and he is not politically toxic last time I checked... Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 08:37 AM (LRFds No, that is *precisely* the issue. He broke an oath or a promise...but that promise turned out to be to hide something immoral (at best) and quite likely illegal. I can't fault him for that while I can dislike where he went and what he's done since. Posted by: GMan at June 24, 2013 08:37 AM (sxq57) You people should read a history book. And as a Jew I find it personally disgusting to drag the Holocaust into this. There is absolutely no basis for that and it belittles the memory of the Holocaust and those who perished in it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 04:39 AM (9Bj8R)

274 http://youtu.be/tPIctGbAZEQ

Esteban J Amigosan Theater Presents Conspiracy(2001)

A wonderful film by HBO concerning the Wannsee Conference....

no of course Prism is not the Holocaust.....

it'd be a tool in the toolbox of the perps had they been able though

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:40 AM (LRFds)

275 And as a Jew I find it personally disgusting to drag the Holocaust into this. There is absolutely no basis for that and it belittles the memory of the Holocaust and those who perished in it.

Hey, you're the idiot that Godwinned himself.  No one here did that one to you.

Posted by: GMan at June 24, 2013 04:41 AM (sxq57)

276 271 What are we supposed to do, when all the avenues given to us by our founding fathers no longer work because the government is not playing by those rules anymore? Posted by: spypeach at June 24, 2013 08:39 AM (0n1+D) “To be or not to be- that is the question Whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune Or to take arms against a sea of troubles And by opposing end them ...“

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 04:41 AM (+98Gb)

277 268 258 I'm glad the NSA story leaked, doesn't give Snowden a free pass. Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 08:33 AM (ZshNr) Because he went to China, right? Was part of his oath that he could reveal secrets if he did it and stayed in the US?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 04:41 AM (uhAkr)

278 What are we supposed to do, when all the avenues given to us by our founding fathers no longer work because the government is not playing by those rules anymore?

Posted by: spypeach at June 24, 2013 08:39 AM (0n1+D)

 

That   is the $25,000 question.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 24, 2013 04:42 AM (4df7R)

279 @258 Lincoln, with all due respect, I don't think he is a hero. But I don't think he is a villain either. I had a security clearance back in the day (sub contractor). I saw alot of evil, BS I should have leaked but held true to the oath. The 'Gummit" has revoked their oath to the people. they are lying to us daily and jamming us us up the butt. So what are we gonna do about it? Hold the oath?

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 04:42 AM (QZlLn)

280 Hey, you're the idiot that Godwinned himself. No one here did that one to you. Posted by: GMan at June 24, 2013 08:41 AM (sxq57) Bullshit.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 04:42 AM (9Bj8R)

281 Look at Sarah Palin over on Breitbart. Dear Lord that is an impressive set!

Whatever her flaws, she knows how to take advantage of what God gave her, and not in a slutty way.  Bravo, Sarah.

Posted by: pep at June 24, 2013 04:42 AM (6TB1Z)

282 Yeah, that's it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 04:43 AM (ZshNr)

283 I don't think "oath" means what it used to anymore. I don't see a lot of "oath" keeping happening in any of our branches of government. When the rules of law breaks down, it breaks down completely , just sayin.

Posted by: spypeach at June 24, 2013 04:43 AM (0n1+D)

284 Until the big wig likes of the Clintons are prosecuted and convicted of selling our national security and military submarine blueprints to China, don't fall for a scapegoat to burn at the "treason" stake in their stead. Whistle Blow, that's something the candy-assed metromale bassoons haven't the balls to do. So they play better than thou self righteous, attacking the bozos who compile a bunch of non-top-secret data to put what's already available online in one source. Accessibility to what is already accessible. It's the authoritarian government's own policy v. citizenry. Don't jump on the mob bandwagon at the flick of an authoritarian whip, to support the enabling of your own enslavement. And who, in their right mind, would trustingly believe the propaganda pumped through the MFM, anyway? As if anything we're being fed is reliable for much more than BS.

Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 04:43 AM (MhA4j)

285 Crank, I got my kids coming in for the fourth so that's a no go.  I don't like to drive west because when I go by Avon, the stench from Sherrod Brown and his fatassed wife usually makes me lose my lunch.  Let me know if you're up around here again and I'll do likewise if I'm in your neck of the woods.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 04:45 AM (9TDD8)

286 What are we supposed to do, when all the avenues given to us by our founding fathers no longer work because the government is not playing by those rules anymore?

You stay and become a symbol, not run away to China and give them state secrets. 

Posted by: pep at June 24, 2013 04:45 AM (6TB1Z)

287 Mornin'

Posted by: Mainah at June 24, 2013 04:46 AM (659DL)

288 282 Posted by: spypeach at June 24, 2013 08:43 AM (0n1+D) What does taking an oath to preserve, protect and defend something that you do not believe in? And when the theoretical co-equal branches of government are as morally bankrupt and corrupt as the one taking the oath, they have ceded their authority, both moral and otherwise, to defend the same. Corruption from top down and everything in between. We are now in a very precarious position.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 24, 2013 04:46 AM (+98Gb)

289 272 Nevergiveup,

I said and note it is NOT a holocaust, that does not change that some people in Obama's inner circle have some rather interesting ideas about the proper ethics of American political interaction NGU.

I do hope you are not implying I would make light of the murder of millions.

The anger about the institutionalized muder of millions in the name of ideology is why I fight my friend.

We simply disagree at the end of the day if holding any American to historic standards of honor and credibility is a necessity when the President of the United States is in the business of using our forces without ANY oversight or deference to historical mean on the use of force and US international legality theory.

Snowden is a traitor for "aiding our enemies" burning a program NSA and Clapper denies exists?

Perhaps....

what is a man who orders the US forces to train Al Qaeda operatives and aids the Muslim Brotherhood in toppling "elected leaders" without Congressional or United Nations approval?

It's a brave new world fellas and I am adapting to it.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:46 AM (LRFds)

290 Why were they reporting that Snowden was in Ecuador yesterday? Obviously, this is all being done to throw people off. I wonder if he has been able to twist Iceland's arm to allow him to live there?

Posted by: An Artist With A Thompson at June 24, 2013 04:47 AM (RZwdH)

291 Well John Cornyn and Ted Cruz' voice mail mailboxes are full. I'll have to return to twitter

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 04:47 AM (MnSla)

292 282 Spypeach,


hey oaths mean things...that is why Obama had to be inaugurated twice...

anyway I owe as much loyalty to Obama as he showed to Bush

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:47 AM (LRFds)

293 We have no idea what Snowdeen brought with him. Private Shitbag had the keys to the castle and he was on the lowest rung of any MI ladder.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 04:48 AM (ZshNr)

294 What's wrong?

If I know the shaven button-hole of judge Roberts you can expect more crappy decisions - like 0bamacare; more drunken illegal aliens behind the wheel, and more intelligence leakage.

As Barky would say, we are giving it to you from behind! One thing you can count on is Barky and I getting lush pay checks and you getting the pogo stick! It's the roaring Thirteens for politicians! Good day.

Posted by: Barney F. at June 24, 2013 04:49 AM (m5Tr1)

295 Well John Cornyn and Ted Cruz' voice mail mailboxes are full. I'll have to return to twitter

So is Marco Rubio's, the little weasel.

Posted by: pep at June 24, 2013 04:49 AM (6TB1Z)

296

I think the NY Post used the wrong headline for the story about Menendez dating a married woman.

 

Here's their headline:

 

New Jersey Sen. Robert Menendez wooed married woman: source

 

But that's not the part of the story that's most damaging, IMO.   It's this:

 

Sen. Robert Menendez wooed a married newspaper publisher, taking the attractive brunette on a romantic getaway to the Caribbean, a tipster alleges.

 

The New Jersey Dem and Cecilia Reynolds jetted to Puerto Rico, where they stayed at the isolated beach retreat of the islandÂ’s then-governor, Anibal Acevedo Vila...

 

..The trip came at a time when the senator was trying to thwart the appointment of Rosa Emilia Rodriguez-Velez as the US attorney for Puerto Rico. He placed a “senatorial hold,” or block, on the appointment, according to the Newark Star-Ledger.

 

Rodriguez-Velez was the interim US attorney, and her office had turned its sights on MenendezÂ’s pal, the former Puerto Rico governor, investigating him for alleged campaign-finance violations and other wrongdoing. She was later confirmed despite the senatorÂ’s interference, and Acevedo Vila was indicted in 2008 on 19 criminal counts. He was found not guilty....

 

In other words,  Dickhead Menendez took his married girlfriend    on a vacation to Puerto Rico and stayed at Vila's home   AT THE SAME TIME as he was actively trying to block the appointment of a new Puerto Rican    US Attorney who was investigating Vila.

 

Conflict of interest much?

 

The married woman thing is a side issue;   a   testament to Menendez's shitty character, but we already know he's an asshole who likes to fuck underage    Dominican prostitutes.     His lack of moral fiber is      not news.    The ACTUAL     news is the blatant ethics    violations,   acceptance of gifts    and conflicts of interest, which seem to be a hallmark of this shithead's     term in office.

 


 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 24, 2013 04:49 AM (4df7R)

297 What are we supposed to do, when all the avenues given to us by our founding fathers no longer work because the government is not playing by those rules anymore? Posted by: spypeach We have not travelled the final avenue yet. Yet.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 04:49 AM (xZxMD)

298 What are we supposed to do, when all the avenues given to us by our founding fathers no longer work because the government is not playing by those rules anymore?
Posted by: spypeach at June 24, 2013 08:39 AM

Our forefathers had a good answer to that back in the 18th Century. Pity we don't have the Dangling Courage Units to do likewise.

Who would have thought we'd be in World War D and surrender without taking any action at all? In a sick sense, you can't fault Choom Boy for taking advantage of the Poppin' Fresh-ization of the "conservative" movement. We were ripe for plucking, and that's what he and his co-conspirators are doing.

Congress and The Supremes are helping him along. We may see the end this week.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 24, 2013 04:49 AM (/RIVS)

299 You stay and become a symbol, not run away to China and give them state secrets. Posted by: pep at June 24, 2013 08:45 AM (6TB1Z) Again, he did run, but there's 0 evidence to say he gave away secrets. Unless you count that fact that we're hacking Chinese citizens a secret.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 04:50 AM (X4HxX)

300 We have no idea what Snowdeen brought with him. Private Shitbag had the keys to the castle and he was on the lowest rung of any MI ladder. Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 08:48 AM (ZshNr) How snowden and manning got away with all the info they did is a national disgrace and some people should have lost their jobs or worse over that. And how certain people even got a security clearance has to be examined. People like the Army shrink

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 04:50 AM (9Bj8R)

301 You stay and become a symbol, not run away to China and give them state secrets. A symbol of what? With this administration, he'd be destroyed, put away somewhere or dead. It's hard to be symbol if you're dead. And I'm not saying that I agree with him, but I'm also not saying I'm convinced he gave away any state secrets. I'm having a hard time finding the line between what's right and wrong anymore. But if you want to believe what the media is telling you and by the media I mean the Obama administration, then go right ahead. I think I'll take the wait and see approach.

Posted by: spypeach at June 24, 2013 04:51 AM (0n1+D)

302 I agree that at this point Snowden is just the squirrel and a diversion.  The real story is how the federales let him escape to China, and how China, Russia and other assorted minor players are flipping the middle finger at Teh JEF and his criminal administration.  I have a feeling that if this were any other administration this would have been "dealt" with by now.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 24, 2013 04:51 AM (32Ze2)

303 292 LincoonTF,

which is why I said "patsy" Linc...frankluy I would not be shocked if there is a source in NSA or the Farm using contractors like snowden to burn extraconstitutional ops....

it'd be the smart play and Snowden is not smart

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:51 AM (LRFds)

304 I doubt Cuba is a very safe place for him. Sooner rather than later, the Castros will be "suspirando por los fiordos" and relations between the US and Cuba will normalize. They will give up Snowden. All these terrorists from the 60s, 70s, 80s, who were hiding in eastern europe and the middle east had to run from country to country as communism fell and countries decided to play ball with Bush due to the war on terror.

Posted by: An Artist With A Thompson at June 24, 2013 04:51 AM (RZwdH)

305

I don't think "oath" means what it used to anymore.

 

Oaths are only valid when those taking the oath       have   honor.    An oath is    a   promise.    When those    making the promises are unethical scallywags    an oath becomes nothing     more than words    mouthed in a vacuum.

 

 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 24, 2013 04:52 AM (4df7R)

306 Again, he did run, but there's 0 evidence to say he gave away secrets. Unless you count that fact that we're hacking Chinese citizens a secret.

I do.  Sure, they already knew that we were, but probably not how and how much.  Regardless, this gives them a huge propaganda coup, and really destroys any efforts on our part to bring pressure to bear on them for their spying on us.

Posted by: pep at June 24, 2013 04:52 AM (6TB1Z)

307 I agree NGU. A total disgrace. A dangerous fucking disgrace.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 04:53 AM (ZshNr)

308 The Menendez thing just illustrates yet another "what if e was a Republican thing". 



He would already be out of the Senate and in jail for multiple corruption charges.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 04:53 AM (lZvxr)

309 But if you want to believe what the media is telling you and by the media I mean the Obama administration, then go right ahead.

Come on, you don't need that kind of disingenuous snark to make your point.

Posted by: pep at June 24, 2013 04:53 AM (6TB1Z)

310 304 MWR,

and the oath is to the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and lawful orders and operations....

and I am fairly certain N$A got caught fucking the chicken

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:54 AM (LRFds)

311 @292 You may be right Lincoln. I hope he only has lowly classified wussie crap. But he did have the keys to the kingdom as system admin. But I have to say it serves them right. "Fast Eddie" made bammy and his mammy look bad. And they hatey that. Now they want to kill him! As for China (I'm here now working, cant get a decent job in Obama America)..I think Clinton already gave them the keys to the kingdom, and they hack us daily , as we do them. So in the words of Shillary "What difference does it make now?"

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 04:54 AM (QZlLn)

312 How does anybody as creepy looking as Menendez snag any ass unless it's illegal or they're banging that disgusting perv for a favor in return.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 04:55 AM (9TDD8)

313 A symbol of what?

With this administration, he'd be destroyed, put away somewhere or dead.

It's hard to be symbol if you're dead.

A symbol of resistance to wrongdoing.  There are plenty of dead symbols, but I think that's a bit overdramatic.  He won't be killed.  They would work like mad to discredit him, because that would be far more damaging, and wouldn't risk the blowback.  Besides, they may be evil, but they aren't killers.      Yet. 

Posted by: pep at June 24, 2013 04:56 AM (6TB1Z)

314 301 Truck Monkey,

It is sort of telling that Snowden has not been Joe the Plumbered yet.

Hell it could well be that this entire thing is part of "Operation Shiny Objects" to create so much noise to give Bark a pass on several scandals....


Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:56 AM (LRFds)

315 Come on, you don't need that kind of disingenuous snark to make your point. Posted by: pep at June 24, 2013 08:53 AM (6TB1Z) 309 304 MWR, It's not disingenuous, sorry I've turned cynical, or maybe wise. I'm not sure the jury is still out.

Posted by: pissed and grumpy spypeach at June 24, 2013 04:56 AM (0n1+D)

316 They got clearance cause PC run amok. Can't think Hassan is an unstable jihadi. Can t think Briana Manning is unstable because he is gay. The PC requirement to ignore common sense got us here.

Posted by: thunderb at June 24, 2013 04:56 AM (wa0xb)

317 Except for Mexicans.  Who cares about them.

Posted by: pep at June 24, 2013 04:56 AM (6TB1Z)

318 I do not wish to lionize Snowden.   In many ways, he is just another supercilious little creep who is looking for his payout and his 15 minutes of fame.  But, no matter how you feel about him, he did blow the whistle on an egregious and vile abuse of power by the NSA.  An abuse of power that they say they must have in order to keep up safe--a spurious claim that rings hollow in the aftermath of the Boston bombings by terrorists that they had been explicitly warned about by the Russians, who are experts on Chechen Islamists.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 24, 2013 04:57 AM (kXoT0)

319 (and I know I'll get an ear full for this) voting Dem for the first time in my life.

There are plenty of other (loony tunes) on the ballots that will get Corker out without have to vote Dem.  I know, a Dem will still win, but without my vote.

Posted by: Paladin at June 24, 2013 04:58 AM (bxc5w)

320 They got clearance cause PC run amok. Can't think Hassan is an unstable jihadi. Can t think Briana Manning is unstable because he is gay. The PC requirement to ignore common sense got us here. Posted by: thunderb at June 24, 2013 08:56 AM (wa0xb) And you'd think they learned a lesson? Nope. It's only getting worse. And that includes promotion boards and billets boards.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 04:59 AM (9Bj8R)

321 @ 313,Truck Monkey. Thread winnah! Shiny Object! You sir are a genius !

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 04:59 AM (QZlLn)

322 How is it that some of you cannot recognize that a single person can commit BOTH worthy and dastardly acts? What is so complicated? Benedict Arnold: Captures Fort Ticonderoga and moved its cannons to Boston, forcing the British to abandon the city - HEROIC. Plots to surrender West Point to the British, then defects - TREASONOUS John Stebbins: Risks enemy fire and helps evac wounded fellow Rangers in Mogadishu during "Blackhawk Down" battle - SILVER STAR Rapes his six year old daughter - 30 YEARS IN LEAVENWORTH Edward Snowden: Reveals domestic spying by NSA - THANKS, GUY Reveals our intel gathering efforts against our enemies and enlists their help in hiding - DIE, YOU PIECE OF SHIT

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 24, 2013 05:00 AM (++Xuv)

323 But, no matter how you feel about him, he did blow the whistle on an egregious and vile abuse of power by the NSA. An abuse of power that they say they must have in order to keep up safe--a spurious claim that rings hollow in the aftermath of the Boston bombings by terrorists that they had been explicitly warned about by the Russians, who are experts on Chechen Islamists. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 24, 2013 08:57 AM (kXoT0) ???Maybe? What did they actually do?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 05:00 AM (9Bj8R)

324 Winnie the Poo Is gonna burn you Put a tire around your neck and set it on fi-yore

Posted by: Pre-Zombie Nelson Mandela at June 24, 2013 05:01 AM (ZR4Xh)

325 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 24, 2013 09:00 AM (++Xuv) exactly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 05:01 AM (9Bj8R)

326 Something I long suspected and finally confirmed this morning: The 1890s were referred to as the "naughty nineties."

Posted by: Tom In Korea at June 24, 2013 05:01 AM (JBDNk)

327 E-mail sent to Cornyn And Cruz

Please, let there be no more games, no more amendments and no more "pot sweeteners" vote NO on amnesty. The country CAN NOT support the debt burden amnesty will bring with it, so VOTE NO ON AMNESTY! #Amnestystinks

What would have made it better?

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 05:01 AM (MnSla)

328 I do not wish to lionize Snowden. In many ways, he is just another supercilious little creep who is looking for his payout and his 15 minutes of fame. But, no matter how you feel about him, he did blow the whistle on an egregious and vile abuse of power by the NSA. An abuse of power that they say they must have in order to keep up safe--a spurious claim that rings hollow in the aftermath of the Boston bombings by terrorists that they had been explicitly warned about by the Russians, who are experts on Chechen Islamists. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS x 1 Billion!

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 05:02 AM (xZxMD)

329 How is it that some of you cannot recognize that a single person can commit BOTH worthy and dastardly acts? What is so complicated? EoJ: Brings the funnay - AWESOME! Moves to Canada - TRAITOROUS FUCK!

Posted by: EC at June 24, 2013 05:02 AM (GQ8sn)

330 The Supremes will not rule on DOMA and Prop 8 until the very last 2 days.  To think they will do otherwise is blind ignorance.  DOMA first and then Prop 8.  Bending over first and then comes the fucking without any lube.

Posted by: buzzion at June 24, 2013 05:02 AM (LI48c)

331 319 NGU,

and that is my point NGU I am not angry at you or LincolnTF and half a decade ago I'd be there with you but the reality is the whole game is so distorted and fucked up I reserve judgement.

Yes he did wrong, yes I say convict him he is in no way the story to me until on trial...

NSA matters more to me right now.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 05:03 AM (LRFds)

332

OK, everyone quiet down.

 

The Zimmerman trial is starting.

Posted by: jwest at June 24, 2013 05:03 AM (u2a4R)

333 Intent counts and Snowden is collaborating with the enemy in a huge propaganda win for them.

Posted by: thunderb at June 24, 2013 05:03 AM (wa0xb)

334 Risks enemy fire and helps evac wounded fellow Rangers in Mogadishu during "Blackhawk Down" battle - SILVER STAR

Rapes his six year old daughter - 30 YEARS IN LEAVENWORTH



Damn, first time I heard that.  One wonders if the time in Mogadishu led to the latter.  But it doesn't really matter.  And after that FL story this past weekend, how is it that the FL guy got off to rape and kill a little girl after being convicted of a previous sex offense against a little girl and the Army toad gets 30 years?

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 05:03 AM (lZvxr)

335 OK, everyone quiet down. The Zimmerman trial is starting. Posted by: jwest at June 24, 2013 09:03 AM (u2a4R) Is Amanda Knox on the jury?

Posted by: EC at June 24, 2013 05:04 AM (GQ8sn)

336 Jaye P Morgan was never hot

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at June 24, 2013 05:04 AM (XvrTA)

337 @ 326, I would have ADDED, I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 05:04 AM (QZlLn)

338 Morning all!   Has Snowden really revealed anything that the spy agencies of other countries didn't know about or suspect anyway?  I am ready to be better informed, but it appears that his outing of all of this NSA stuff was more aimed at the wholesale capabilities and lack of oversight and constitutional control regarding American citizens....    So far, he's damaging Obama with the left and running with our enemies, but really, he has stayed away from our biggest enemies, the Muzzies.

Posted by: Yip at June 24, 2013 05:04 AM (/jHWN)

339

Edward Snowden:


Reveals domestic spying by NSA - THANKS, GUY



Reveals our intel gathering efforts against our enemies and enlists their help in hiding - DIE, YOU PIECE OF SHIT

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 24, 2013 09:00 AM (++Xuv)

 

 

 

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 24, 2013 05:04 AM (4df7R)

340

@ Gateway Pundit:

AZ group trying recall on Flake/McShitty. Easy to remember website:

SenatorJeffFlake.com

I know it's probably just pissing into the wind, but, when you gotta go, you gotta go.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 24, 2013 05:04 AM (qpah5)

341 Something I long suspected and finally confirmed this morning: The 1890s were referred to as the "naughty nineties."

Posted by: Tom In Korea at June 24, 2013 09:01 AM (JBDNk)



The 1890s were the last gasp of the Republic before the "progressive era" started killing it.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 05:05 AM (lZvxr)

342 As for not allying with Britain during WWII, why would the Boers, since Britain had not only invaded their colonization and thieved their investments, but had invented the Concentration Camps v. Boer population during their Boer War. It wasn't as if the British, in winning the Boer War, ended apartheid. There were no European power "clean hands" in Africa. And from the looks of indigenous warfare, self inflicted genocides, it's hard to find any politically motivated "clean hands" in Africa, regardless of tribal or national origin.

Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 08:31 AM (MhA4j)


Codified apartheid was created in 1948 when the Nationalists came to power.  They had been practicing many of its tenets in Boer parts of the country for a long time.  Once the Nationalists took over, they changed it from a practice into a law then gerrymandered the country to make sure they never lost power.


A side note:  During the early 80s when the anti-apartheid movement really got cranking big, South Africa was the only sub-Saharan country with positive immigration.  They were the only country with jobs.  The other countries in the region had managed to communist away all their jobs, so blacks were moving to South Africa despite the laws in place.  Now, not so much.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 24, 2013 05:05 AM (Gkhxf)

343 NSA matters more to me right now. Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 09:03 AM (LRFds) OK, and they did what exactly?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 05:06 AM (9Bj8R)

344 ??? Maybe, but they were not actually listening. Only keeping a data base of who called who, when, and for how long. All information your carrier has anyway. I am not defending what they were doing, but I, nor you, know exactly what they were doing?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 08:36 AM (9Bj8R)

They have no right or reason or probable cause to possess that information about you, me or any other innocent citizen. None. And please don't tell me a smart person like you believes "We were only...". These people lie to their diaries.


Posted by: SurferDoc at June 24, 2013 05:06 AM (F+av1)

345 ???Maybe? What did they actually do?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 09:00 AM (9Bj8R)

What's your point?  We know that the Russians warned us about the Tsarnaev brothers and that we ignored that warning.  It was widely reported.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 24, 2013 05:06 AM (kXoT0)

346 The Zimmerman trial is starting. Posted by: jwest at June 24, 2013 09:03 AM (u2a4R) Time for a little South African style justice. He is a white hispanic, right? Put another tire on the barby, Winnie.

Posted by: Pre-Zombie Nelson Mandela at June 24, 2013 05:06 AM (ZR4Xh)

347 Re: Black Hawk Down. Stebbings was removed and "Grimes" was inserted. "Specialist Grimes, portrayed by Ewan McGregor, is a fictional character, though given his administrative position and penchant for coffee, he is unabashedly based on the real-life Ranger clerk Spc John Stebbins, who was awarded the Silver Star for his actions during the battle. However, Stebbins was convicted in 2000 for child molestation and is currently serving a 30-year jail term. As a result, the Pentagon apparently pressured screenwriters to alter his name in the film, although a spokeswoman for the movie defended the change as "a creative decision made by the producers."

Posted by: EC at June 24, 2013 05:07 AM (GQ8sn)

348 Damn, first time I heard that. One wonders if the time in Mogadishu led to the latter. But it doesn't really matter. ---------------- In the movie, they changed his name to SPC John Grimes, specifically because of that issue. He was played by Ewan McGregor.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 24, 2013 05:07 AM (++Xuv)

349 E-mail sent to Cornyn And Cruz

Please, let there be no more games, no more amendments and no more "pot sweeteners" vote NO on amnesty. The country CAN NOT support the debt burden amnesty will bring with it, so VOTE NO ON AMNESTY! #Amnestystinks

What would have made it better?

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 09:01 AM (MnSla)



The sheer size of that monstrosity is a deal breaker for me even if everything within was something I agreed with, which right there is a huge steaming pile.  So they attempt to make it palatable by adding MOAR SHIT to it?  That is exhibit A of a huge disconnect with reality.  Have you seen pictures of McRINO with the gangbang of 8?  He looks more deranged than usual, like the senile fuck has increased his stupidity by having a stroke.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 05:08 AM (9TDD8)

350 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 24, 2013 09:00 AM (++Xuv) Your analogy would be correct if Benedict Arnold had betrayed King George after Fort Ticonderoga If you want to go after somebody for selling things to the Chinese, I'd start with Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 05:08 AM (uhAkr)

351 338 MWR,

Quite....I will not defend N$A being burned on foreign activity and legal practices by him.


Perhaps, had N$A not been engaging in domestic games contra its charter this would not be an issue....?

At any rate kidnap him back to US jurisprudence whatever I have no particular use for Snowden I do have particular curiosity to how much N$A enabled Bark on domestic political operations.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 05:08 AM (LRFds)

352 How about this folks, lets prosecute the criminals in DC who spied on Americans who were not foreign agents and lets prosecute Snowden for violating his oath and revealing classified information.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 05:08 AM (lZvxr)

353 Reveals our intel gathering efforts against our enemies and enlists their help in hiding - DIE, YOU PIECE OF SHIT Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 24, 2013 09:00 AM (++Xuv) But did he? Do we know this for sure? Seems like our President is doing more to help our enemies then the geek snowden. And Obummer is doing it with a smile on his face in front of a crowd.

Posted by: pissed and grumpy spypeach at June 24, 2013 05:08 AM (0n1+D)

354 They have no right or reason or probable cause to possess that information about you, me or any other innocent citizen. None. And please don't tell me a smart person like you believes "We were only...". These people lie to their diaries. Posted by: SurferDoc at June 24, 2013 09:06 AM (F+av1) All I am saying we still don't know exactly what they were doing. From all the reports I have read, they don't have to much more information than your carrier has on you. Should they have that? probably not. But everyone is going ballistic without really knowing what they are doing. Should we know? I am not so sure. Should someone in the Congress know- for sure.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 05:09 AM (9Bj8R)

355

As Insty puts it, quoting Pink Floyd, "Mother should I trust the government?"

 

Tennessee Official: Water complaints could be considered an 'act of terrorism'

 

Sense of Events blog: http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2013/06/are-we-too-paranoid.html  (story from The Tennesseean) 

 

 

A Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation deputy director warned a group of Maury County residents that unfounded complaints about water quality could be considered an “act of terrorism.”

 

“We take water quality very seriously. Very, very seriously,” said Sherwin Smith, deputy director of TDEC’s Division of Water Resources, according to audio recorded by attendees. “But you need to make sure that when you make water quality complaints you have a basis, because federally, if there’s no water quality issues, that can be considered under Homeland Security an act of terrorism.”

 

“Can you say that again, please?” an audience member can be heard asking on the audio.

 

Smith went on in the recording to repeat the claim almost verbatim...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 24, 2013 05:09 AM (4df7R)

356 336

I'd rather not make Pedros' acquaintance whilst waiting for trial over terrorist threats.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 05:09 AM (MnSla)

357 EoJ: Brings the funnay - AWESOME! Moves to Canada - TRAITOROUS FUCK! Posted by: EC at June 24, 2013 09:02 AM (GQ8sn) ------------ See? Somebody gets it.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 24, 2013 05:09 AM (++Xuv)

358 If you want to go after somebody for selling things to the Chinese, I'd start with Bill Clinton. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 09:08 AM (uhAkr) Yeah, no kidding. Read "Year of the Rat: How Bill Clinton Compromised US Security for Chinese Cash" by Ed Timperlake. Rage meter will go off the charts.

Posted by: Mainah at June 24, 2013 05:11 AM (659DL)

359 Of course we don't know what exactly Snowden revealed to who, but if he was planning to use this globe hopping strategy of staying ahead of the Feds then he may very well have made sure he'd have something of value to swap. Stuff they already know isn't great currency.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 05:11 AM (ZshNr)

360 That whole importing Stompie Boots business turned out not quite as well as I had hoped.

Posted by: The Late Stompie Moeketsi at June 24, 2013 05:11 AM (a5ljo)

361 If you want to go after somebody for selling things to the Chinese, I'd start with Bill Clinton. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk

Exactly.  Clinton and Gore SOLD lots of info to the Chinese for campaign bucks... also signed off on technology exchanges where our companies enabled the Chinese to build their space and aviation industries .  That was scandalous, but of course, you'd never hear about out because everyone was after Clinton for having sex, that 's all.  Nothing to see here, move on..

Posted by: Yip at June 24, 2013 05:12 AM (/jHWN)

362 Your water is fine citizen.  Trust us.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 24, 2013 05:12 AM (vaPEU)

363 OK, and they did what exactly?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 09:06 AM (9Bj8R)

They collected information about private citizens without benefit of a search warrant or approval from a judge.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 05:12 AM (WW8xK)

364 Aw geez, yo guys are crying like little baby girls ove 'Fast Eddie" Snowden. From what I see he did not reveal any top secret BS. But he did bee-ach slap the NSA and Obumbler in the face. Now if he gave secrets to China I wold stand first in line to kill him. But the SCOAMF wants him dead because he riled his fake mojo, made him look bad on the Tonight Show. And our POTUS, that feckless , Impotent, egoist will have none of that.

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 05:13 AM (QZlLn)

365 353 They should not have it without probable cause. They do not have my permission.

Posted by: SurferDoc at June 24, 2013 05:13 AM (F+av1)

366 War does not make you a kiddy Diddler. Seeds are usually down in childhood and brought to fruition by alcohol and the prevalence of step parents. Much higher incidence by non biological parents.

Posted by: thunderb at June 24, 2013 05:13 AM (wa0xb)

367 If you want to go after somebody for selling things to the Chinese, I'd start with Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 09:08 AM (uhAkr)



Slick and Bernard Schwartz should be cornholing each other in a cell right now.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 05:14 AM (9TDD8)

368 Snowden should have watched "How not to be seen".

Posted by: A boil on my Sempr*ni at June 24, 2013 05:15 AM (xWDoF)

369 342 NeverGiveUp,

engaged in domestic operations contra the Bill of Rights by all appearences....

NGU if you give me access to your metadata I can reverse engineer your web....

N$A now has the ability to listen in and engage in domestic surveillance based on "hunch" if unrebutted rumor is to be believed....

they happily claim it has interdicted 50 terrorist incidents...if it has done this it means it has an active operational component and the potential for misuse easily.

The N$A is no more inherently noble than the IRS I'm sorry NGU the civil service has been weaponized and I am not fond of it.

If a sincere left wing and libertarian coalition formed to eradicate the civilian leadership who accepts the undermining of the bill of rights in a non partisan way I would happily join.

This goes beyond simple partisan angling and gets to the heart of the matter on liberty my friend.

Some tools are not needed, if we are looking for the easiest methodology for "security" we need look no further than Hitler and Stalin's games and be done with it.

I value liberty as much as security.

I am not accusing you of condoning the drift towards "efficieny uber alles" merely laying *my* cards on the table.

Obama's fans who engage in misdeeds using Federal and State power have thus far not paid a heavy price, I would lathe this being done by Bush I am enraged by it being done by my enemy.

Liberty first.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 05:15 AM (LRFds)

370 Your analogy would be correct if Benedict Arnold had betrayed King George after Fort Ticonderoga If you want to go after somebody for selling things to the Chinese, I'd start with Bill Clinton. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 09:08 AM (uhAkr) ------------------ He already betrayed King George when he joined the Continental Army. And can't we condemn BOTH Clinton AND Snowden? Spypeach, Snowden has given specifics about the Chinese telecoms and internet backbones at Tsinghua University in an interview with the Chinese press. That happened. Now, China may suspect or assume that we target them. Now it is confirmed. Fuck this weasel.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 24, 2013 05:16 AM (++Xuv)

371 357 Mainah,

I'm a rat baby.....

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 05:16 AM (LRFds)

372 ^ what 356 (Capt. hate) said!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 05:17 AM (QZlLn)

373 I think Snowden must have given up sources and methods to a certain extent. China knows we spy on them, but they may not have known exactly how. They have a better idea now thanks to Snowden.

Posted by: Mainah at June 24, 2013 05:18 AM (659DL)

374 Snowden leaks aren't revelations per se, rather confirmation of existing suspicions.

The thin results of the NSA spying demonstrate that pro foreign spies and industrial espionage types were already aware of it (or suspected as much) and communicated with handlers via other more traditional less snoopable means.

You can't hack a dead drop.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 24, 2013 05:18 AM (vaPEU)

375 And can't we condemn BOTH Clinton AND Snowden? I see hundreds of posts about Snowden. Zero about Clinton. Zero about Clapper the perjuror, as well.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 05:19 AM (uhAkr)

376 Fuck You Gringos!!!!!

Posted by: EQUADOR at June 24, 2013 05:19 AM (32Ze2)

377 EOJ, how can we really trust anything that is put out from this point forward on Snowden?  Every story could be a plant....  we're supposed to trust the Chinese press for putting out the truth?...   the Ruskies?.... cause I sure as hell don't trust our Obama-press to put out the truth since the NSA and administration have every reason to poison the aura surrounding him to make him out to be a traitor more than a leaker with constitutional aims....  just sayin'...

Posted by: Yip at June 24, 2013 05:19 AM (/jHWN)

378 351 Vic,

Indeed but the more enthralling game evidently is worrying about convicting Snowden in absentia aiding the administration that misused NSA to slink by and not suffer nor the operatives face scrutiny....

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 05:19 AM (LRFds)

379 But you need to make sure that when you make postal delivery complaints you have a basis, because federally, if thereÂ’s no postal issues, that can be considered under Homeland Security an act of terrorism.

Futures indicate the market will open 1 to 2% below Friday's close, might be an interesting week.

Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at June 24, 2013 05:21 AM (epxV4)

380 I see hundreds of posts about Snowden. Zero about Clinton. Zero about Clapper the perjuror, as well. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 09:19 AM (uhAkr) -------------------- Get to it, then. Nobody's stopping you. I'll be talking about Snowden, okay?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 24, 2013 05:21 AM (++Xuv)

381 Zero about Clapper the perjuror, as well. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 09:19 AM (uhAkr) And Brennan, whose leak started the whole DOJ/AP mess in the first place.

Posted by: Mainah at June 24, 2013 05:21 AM (659DL)

382 dumpage

Posted by: Mainah at June 24, 2013 05:22 AM (659DL)

383 but they may not have known exactly how

The Chinese have been in the spook game for thousands of years.  They're pretty good at it.


Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 24, 2013 05:22 AM (vaPEU)

384 They collected information about private citizens without benefit of a search warrant or approval from a judge. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 09:12 AM (WW8xK) What information? Information your telephone carrier already has? Look I am not defending what they did or are still doing, but how long have they been doing it? What are they doing with the information? Is this the end of the world? I'd like to know more before I get hysterical about it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 05:23 AM (9Bj8R)

385 You must post about only the approved topic, and when addressing the approved topic, one must concentrate on one, and only one, aspect of that story. Or the RINO's win.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 05:23 AM (ZshNr)

386 I see hundreds of posts about Snowden. Zero about Clinton.

Zero about Clapper the perjuror, as well.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 09:19 AM (uhAkr)



Many of the horde have put faith in Slick doing the right thing which completely ignores that the son of the town whore has never done a fucking thing that wasn't aiding the enemies of the country.  Remember all the times that Clenis was gonna really really torpedo the JEF?  How many times did that happen?  The null fucking set.  But hey, he's an honorary moron because he likes snagging cooter, amirite?

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 05:24 AM (9TDD8)

387 If the MSM wants you discussing Snowden, you can bet your ass the story is elsewhere. If this was a Republican presidency the NYT would be polishing his halo and getting a spot ready for the Pulitzer. No wonder we lose. We're distracted by shiny objects.

Posted by: SurferDoc at June 24, 2013 05:24 AM (F+av1)

388

But you need to make sure that when you make postal delivery
complaints you have a basis, because federally, if thereÂ’s no postal issues, that can be considered under Homeland Security an act of terrorism.

 

 

How about,  "But you need to make sure that when you make   complaints about IRS behavior that you have a basis, because federally, if there is no IRS malfeasance, that can be considered under Homeland Security an act    of terrorism."

 

TEA PARTY GROUP:  "I'd like to file a complaint about the Exempt Status division of the IRS."

 

IRS OMBUDSMAN: "Okay, what is your complaint?"

 

TPG:  "We submitted our application    for exemption    almost three years ago and it has STILL not been confirmed or denied.  Instead we keep getting more and more invasive questions and demands for paperwork,   none of which    is    appropriate for this process.   I've worked with nonprofits before -- this level of scrutiny is ridiculous."

 

IRS OMBUDSMAN:  "I'm sorry, but they are following proper protocol.  And since you chose to complain about proper protocol, you will now go on a Terrorist Watch List.   Thank you and have a nice day." 


*DIAL TONE*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 24, 2013 05:25 AM (4df7R)

389 Chemjeff, you guys don't think the Chinese know we hack them every day? They hack us everyday. They have a whole building, a complex, a cadre of PLA geeks in Shanghai. We all do it. US, China, Russia. I would lay money there is a bob sledding Jamaican hacking us right now.

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at June 24, 2013 05:25 AM (QZlLn)

390 You can't hack a dead drop. Posted by: Purp at June 24, 2013 09:18 AM (vaPEU) At my old office, whenever something went wrong, I would email or use the intraoffice messaging system to be all pinch faced scoldy. Whenever something went horribly, terribly wrong, I would send a very polite "Will you please see me when you have a moment?" message. When the poor victim came to my office, then I would shriek at him/her in person without anything in writing. Why? Because there's no paper trail of my doing so and, come the deposition, why, no, no, I cannot remember exactly what was said.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 24, 2013 05:26 AM (VtjlW)

391 383 NeverGiveUp,

where do you think Jim "Gacy" Messina got his database?

In all likelihood it well may have came from N$A at any rate I no longer trust after the IRS that it didn't...besides one of the ways Ogabe and gang got power was "making them live up to their own rules"

Why does Obama and "Smart Power" need an N$A they hit the reset button...

if the American people want to empower people who ran as hyperidealist shitheads I favor holding them to their self-professed standards.

*I* would run Zombie Reagan/ Sir Francis Walsingham 2016 were it in my power....

no need to lie about the fact I would be utterly ruthless with foreign threats....

Ogabe and the left try to play in and out

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 05:26 AM (LRFds)

392 384 You must post about only the approved topic, and when addressing the approved topic, one must concentrate on one, and only one, aspect of that story. Or the RINO's win. And unless we decapitate Snowden, the Terrorists win.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 05:26 AM (uhAkr)

393 >>> The 1890s were referred to as the "naughty nineties." No, you silly boy; that was me during the Carter years. Kiss me!

Posted by: Helen Thomas at June 24, 2013 05:27 AM (z9HTb)

394 Fireworks recommendations please. I can't get further south than Pennsylvania and am supposed to buy the very best I can get, for a discerning pyro. Can morons help a guy out here, please?

Posted by: MTF at June 24, 2013 05:27 AM (+GpbP)

395 386 SurferDoc,

correct....Snowden is a Shiny Object...

I coined or helped popularize the phrase in the early campaign season last cycle....

"Squirrel" is well while accurate not operational title sounding....

they WANT us raging at Snowden so they don't have to report on NSA or investigate further....

Trust me I will welcome Snowden's reward when it comes....

you can't sip milk that is still in the cow

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 05:29 AM (LRFds)

396 ow, China may suspect or assume that we target them. Now it is confirmed. Fuck this weasel. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 24, 2013 09:16 AM (++Xuv) I get that, really I do. But I think China more than suspects or assume anything about us. My guess is they really know a lot more than that. Should he have done that? NO. But like I said before, I'm having a hard time telling who the good/bad guys are anymore. Our own president is stabbing us in the back and aiding the enemy.. the actual current enemy.. You know the ones that are killing our kids over in Afghanistan. Maybe it's because I can see that threat more clearly, and don't completely understand the impact of the specifics about the Chinese telecoms etc.. I admit I don't know much about that or how it affects our National Security, perhaps someone could school me on the issue. Also, like others, Snowden is not the issue to me at this point. The issue for me is this lawless administration we have and what the hell we can do about it.

Posted by: pissed and grumpy spypeach at June 24, 2013 05:30 AM (0n1+D)

397 you can't sip milk that is still in the cow

------

Wait.... wut?????

Posted by: baby calves everywhere at June 24, 2013 05:30 AM (nELVU)

398 how can we really trust anything that is put out from this point forward on Snowden?

The safe thing is to assume literally everything is misinformation at this point and develop independent constraints of "the possible" based on physical limitations.

Within the realm of the possible, you can start working on "the probable" and "possible but insanely expensive/impractical", and narrow the field accordingly.

Essentially, you separate various media/govt claims into technically feasible and infeasible piles based on a probability matrix within the realm of the possible. 

The probability matrix will in the end essentially look like a heat diffusion pattern from the thermodynamics equations.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 24, 2013 05:31 AM (vaPEU)

399 Nevergiveup: No one is getting hysterical. They are doing things they are not supposed to do, just because they can. If I even tried that with them, you know where I would be. They cannot be given an inch. They are already grouping calls into 'clusters' of everyone you know. Maybe you are comfortable with that. If they actually stopped the Tsarnevs, maybe I'd feel differently. Its more likely they are too busy feeding Dingy Harry information on wavering Senators.

Posted by: SurferDoc at June 24, 2013 05:34 AM (F+av1)

400 Posted by: Purp at June 24, 2013 09:31 AM (vaPEU) I'm going to have to fine you one Internets for getting math on the blog.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 24, 2013 05:37 AM (VtjlW)

401 9394 Sven: I want to see Snowden get his and I'm sure his life is finished anyway. I'm more concerned that so many of our own people are watching what the wrong hand is doing.

Posted by: SurferDoc at June 24, 2013 05:38 AM (F+av1)

402 Snowden should have watched "How not to be seen".

Posted by: A boil on my Sempr*ni at June 24, 2013 09:15 AM (xWDoF)

=========

*golfclap*

Posted by: Nighthawk at June 24, 2013 05:44 AM (OtQXp)

403 396 baby claves everywhere,

uh no offense that ain't my kind of straw sport

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 05:45 AM (LRFds)

404 "no of course Prism is not the Holocaust....." As if the Holocaust were one deliberation in policy. Wannsee or not. The Holocaust wasn't simply hatred of a specific population. It was hatred of all populations AND INDIVIDUALS deemed to be imperfect by the self-promoted authoritarians determining aesthetics for all with justice for none. Everyone suffered. Not just in Germany or Central Europe. Stalin killed more Russians, and Mao killed more Chinese, than Hitler killed civilian populations in his interventionist control (the majority Jewish, but nearly as many millions of "other" undesirables). The final point? Always Remember. Genocide as a final solution ends up destroying oneself in turn, hardly intentionally. Never overnight. Prolonged agony for naught but proliferation of evil. Knowingly, with the USSR, the US government absconded with the brightest of NAZI minds to direct our own governmental trajectory. And it only took until the Boomers began reaching retirement and the WWII Veterans RIP. Eisenhower's Warning isn't so tinfoil stale, after all, given the too many to count never ending wars drowning us in blood, broken minds, and too burdensome to maintain taxes whilst our government is no longer functioning constitutionally. Latest example: Syria Is Not Libya. And Libya should never have been, "We came, we saw, we killed. Bwahahaha!" Not to mention, another ALL US sponsored "NATO" War that has exhausted our too expensive for replacement and no maintenance available for the expired aircraft US Air Force fleet. Today's body of US government officials fail to acknowledge that truth. We are destroying ourselves whilst conquering the world for the abusive global authoritarian corporatists. The only hearts and minds won by the neoconservative war machine were our own, our faith having been abused by leaders who seemed so trustworthy because they appealed to our better nature. Get past the fig leaf hiding shame of becoming "suddenly" aware. Since being cast out of Eden so they could claim it all for themselves, We The People are all in the kettle being stewed for our national leaders to consume. Remember the old Depression song lyrics, "Nice job if you can get it. If you can get it, won't you tell me how?" Inalienable Rights. Above Reproach.

Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 06:01 AM (MhA4j)

405 "I'd like to know more before I get hysterical about it." Yes. And see what you did, tossing in "hysteria" for denial affect, wrapping reality with tinfoil gift wrap for a rainy day. Trajectory. Follow the dots. Refrain from equating logic with hysteria so as to pretend that ignorance is bliss. Being unaware makes one safe from the augmenting threat. Not.

Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 06:11 AM (MhA4j)

406

Gabe-

 

Had a great time at the meetup.  Thank you and the others for putting it together.

Posted by: rich@gmu at June 24, 2013 10:08 AM (FTj0C)

407 The guy tweeting about the Zimmerman trial is also writing articles for Legal Insurrection.

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