July 01, 2013

Top Headline Comments 7-1-13
— Gabriel Malor

Happy July.

More on the enormous protests in Egypt. "At one point, army helicopters flew over Tahrir Square and dropped Egyptian flags, to cheers from the anti-Morsi crowd."

Ecuador's president Rafael Correa sours on Snowden. "He said the Ecuadorean consul in London committed 'a serious error' by not consulting officials in Ecuador's capital when the consul issued a letter of safe passage for Snowden. He said the consul would be punished, although he didn't specify how."

19 firefighters are dead in the Yarnell Hill wildfire. The fire started Friday after a lighting strike. Liberals, naturally, are already blaming global warming.

Ed Driscoll at PJMedia has an interesting column and book review about Hollywood's "New Abnormal."

And finally, following up on the Libertarian Purity Test that we talked about on Friday, Ben Domenech compiled the tweets on it and posted an interesting graphic. That's the range for his mostly right-leaning Twitter followers. I'd be interested to know if the Left has similar variation.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 02:50 AM | Comments (389)
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1 Good Morning Morons.  Today is Monday, July 01, 2013.  On this day in 1943 FDR began the practice of income tax withholding.  Recall that originally the income tax was a small amount and virtually only on the wealthy with the highest rate category being only 7% (sales tax in most localities is now higher than that).  FDR through his policy of “we will tax and tax and tax and spend and spend and spend and remain in office forever” greatly increased taxes to pay for his socialist programs.  The highest rate eventually reached 91%.  This doesnÂ’t even count the hidden inflation tax caused by him nationalizing gold and printing dollars out the gazzoo. (Sound familiar?)

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:50 AM (lZvxr)

2 So early!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 02:50 AM (WW8xK)

3 19 Firefighters have died fighting the runaway fires in AZ.   The fires this time are being blamed on a lightning strike and the hot dry conditions.  I blame the US government and the watermelons who refuse to allow proper management of the forests and growth.

http://tinyurl.com/lkpbga9

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:51 AM (lZvxr)

4 US Doctor returns the bones of a former N. Vietnamese soldierÂ’s arm that he amputated while he was a military doctor during the war.

http://tinyurl.com/p8hnk2h

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:51 AM (lZvxr)

5 Democrats are still whining about the increase in interest rates on Stafford loans. Meanwhile Republicans are willing to compromise and go with the Obama plan, which ties the interest rates to the financial markets.  How about this compromise; eliminate the loans all together and then students will not have to worry about the rates.  ThatÂ’s my compromise.   See, everyone gets something.

http://tinyurl.com/l6buoum

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:51 AM (lZvxr)

6 I covered this yesterday in a post based on a statement made by Fox News on TV.  House leadership is getting ready to sell us out on the amnesty bill.  Conservative members have begged Boner to not bring any bill to the floor to avoid the joint committee.  The leadership says they will bring a House bill to the floor for a vote.  Which means ultimately it will go to a joint committee in which Boner will sell us out for another bag of magic beans and an assfucking w/o a reach-around.

http://tinyurl.com/mp83mr5

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:51 AM (lZvxr)

7 You folks with heart conditions make sure you have taken your meds this morning before reading this.  


The terrorists still at GITMO because they are the worst of the worst got too fat on the good eats prepared in the GITMO kitchens.  So the PC assholes running the military ordered treadmills for the gym so they could work out.  That is bad enough, but the assholes now refuse to use them because they were made in the US by infidels.  

So the US is now replacing them with Muzzie made treadmills. And here is the other rub, they are still getting fat while on this HUNGER STRIKE!  How in the shit is that happening?  We need to take ALL of these SOBs out and line them up against a wall and shoot them.  But they are Obama buddies so that will never happen.

http://tinyurl.com/l6mr7tw

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:51 AM (lZvxr)

8 New Snowden leaks show that the US has been bugging its European allies.  Guess what, Obama has no European Allies.  His are all in the Middle East.

http://tinyurl.com/otfsht2

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:52 AM (lZvxr)

9 Holder may not be willing to prosecute the lawless actions of this administration, including his own department, but not so Germany.  They are now looking into prosecution.

http://tinyurl.com/l4s3w6z

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:52 AM (lZvxr)

10 Obama attacks the ass kissing press in South Africa and calls them his press. A little slip there eh asshole?

http://tinyurl.com/qbq5kf9

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:52 AM (lZvxr)

11 Bob “Pederast” Menendez will bring back UN Treaty that endangers US home schooling even though it has been defeated once already.  This SOB needs to go NJ voters, he is much worse than Graham.  This is the treaty on “rights for the disabled”.  We already have the most lawyer friendly law in the world for disabled rights, we donÂ’t need any more BS in this area regardless of home schooling.

http://tinyurl.com/najs4sw

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:52 AM (lZvxr)

12 Democrat front groups are resurrecting the ghost of Akin to attack Republicans.  Perhaps Republicans should resurrect Ted Kennedy and KKK Byrd.  Nah, never happen.

http://tinyurl.com/nqtr3pb

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:53 AM (lZvxr)

13 Babsen college (Boston) will punish new freshmen with sensitivity training due to an incident that occurred in 1978.  So I guess the attacks on Paula Deen have set a new precedent in idiotic PC.  The only good thing about this is the school is a private college so taxpayer support is limited (but should be zero).

http://tinyurl.com/lwal28z

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:53 AM (lZvxr)

14 Look at the crowds at the CO Magpul event.

http://tinyurl.com/k73al3g

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:53 AM (lZvxr)

15 The unconstitutional DC House non-voting, non-brained Representative says an abortion is a constitutional right.

http://tinyurl.com/kmdej7h

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:53 AM (lZvxr)

16 Allen West is going off hard on Obama now:

Obama said he would fundamentally transform America. The time draws near to teach this usurper and charlatan the lesson our forefathers taught King George III. We will not be ruled by arrogance and edict.


Damn I wish he had not voted for that Pigford shit.

http://tinyurl.com/k9nb485

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:54 AM (lZvxr)

17 DAY 237 1,224 to go (1,297 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 02:54 AM (+98Gb)

18 BB saying that the anti-Muzzie protest in Egypt this weekend is the largest political protest in world history.  Awesome!

http://tinyurl.com/k9nb485

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:54 AM (lZvxr)

19 Hahahhahaha; NYC giving up on the PC hybrid busses.  Too unreliable and too expensive.  Eat it watermelons.

http://tinyurl.com/k9nb485

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:54 AM (lZvxr)

20 Todd Starnes of Fox News reports that Facebook blocked his postings because he posted support for the National Rifle Association (NRA), Paula Deen, Chick-Fil-A, and Jesus on his page.


Everyone who has a Facebook account should cancel it and formally request that they delete ALL of your personal information.  This for two reasons (1) They are a data mining organization that sells your personal data to others and (2)  They are a bunch of liberal assholes.


http://tinyurl.com/p9d3whd

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:55 AM (lZvxr)

21 Everything tends to be bigger in the South — including food insecurity.

Snip

According to data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture Economic Research Service


That is the lead to the story on idiotic BS Democrat talking point meme that has been repeated often in the past and has been revived recently.  It is all over the news now indicating that “Journalist” may be gone but it is still around, just hidden better.  The way the story went in the past was that the urban poor could not afford “good” food and had to buy junk food and “fast food” because it is cheaper.  Not one shred of real evidence to back this up but they keep repeating it.   Even before food stamps it was very easy to go down and buy a bag of rice, a one pound bag of dried red beans, and a ham hock to make red beans and rice.  It is also extremely cheap.  It just requires you to do some work rather than run down to the burger max and pig out on triple decker maxi-burgers and fries with a chemshake.


The new meme is unemployment, poverty, which doesnÂ’t count any government support, and food deserts which they define as an area that is more than a mile away from a grocery store.  From that stupid definition I live in a damn food desert.   And here is the rub on children going hungry.  My local school district provides THREE meals a day to “poor” children, EVEN.DURING.THE.SUMMER.  And this is in addition to food stamps .  And speaking of food stamps, is it a coincidence that this stupid bull shit is coming out all across the news wires when the Republicans in the House are blocking the stupid Senate food stamp bill with “farm” in its title?  I donÂ’t think so.


And here is the ultimate irony; headline right next to the one about food insecurity:

Fighting obesity needs a community effort


http://tinyurl.com/mhklaly

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:55 AM (lZvxr)

22 The Senate has quietly passed a resolution that says the amnesty bill is immune to the law that was passed in 2008 that prohibits any bill that increases the deficit during any 5 or 10 year period.  Hahahahaha; when have they ever followed that law?  We have ran $1T deficits every year that Obama has been in office.  Did they magically appear out of the ether?

http://tinyurl.com/oaah3b5

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:56 AM (lZvxr)

23 Kindle Daily Deals

They are repeating HeinleinÂ’s Year of the Jackpot today.  I got this one last time around and it is pretty good.  It is one of his earlier works that was originally written for a magazine.

http://tinyurl.com/ml8egq5



And thatÂ’s it for today.   Again shitty weather.  It has been pouring down rain ever since I got up early this morning.  We have a flood watch in effect now.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:56 AM (lZvxr)

24 World Bank is going to stop lending money for coal fired power plants - dooming the third world.  Without cheap power - they will not be able improve their lot. 

From WUWT: http://tinyurl.com/latz87j  Willis should be an honorary moron.

Posted by: Jean at July 01, 2013 02:57 AM (CMlD4)

25 Liberals blame Ariz. firefightersÂ’ deaths on global warming



If it's hot it's because of global warming

If it's cold it's because of global warming

If it snows/rains it's because of global warming

If I fart it's because of global warming.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2013 02:59 AM (TGA2G)

26 I did not particularly care for that "libertarian" purity test.  It was more of a big "L" Libertarian test.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 02:59 AM (lZvxr)

27 I hope that Trey Gowdey can rally the troops against Agent Orange Boehner. I can see it now; the conservatives in the House will oppose any House Amnesty bill while the RINO's and Dems will vote "yes" to pass it. If anyone doubts that the two parties are in cohoots, this should make the scales fall away from your eyes.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:00 AM (+98Gb)

28 AP story on ransacking and burning of Muslim Brotherhood headquarters in Cairo, link in my name.  (Thanks rich for showing me how to do that!)

I see FILES were carried out.  I hope the opposition got some good info.

Posted by: Miss Marple at July 01, 2013 03:00 AM (GoIUi)

29
DC House non-voting, non-brained Representative says an abortion is a constitutional right.
Posted by: Vic




Pursuit of Happiness > Liberty > Life




*Yes, the Declaration of Independence.  I know.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 03:03 AM (kdS6q)

30 17 million real American citizens march on DC. I'd give four of my eight testicles to see that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:03 AM (+98Gb)

31 29 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 07:03 AM (kdS6q) Penumbras and emanations. OR... piss and shit.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:04 AM (+98Gb)

32
"White House Down" Flops For $26M

Sony PicturesÂ’ White House Down disappointed in the #4 wekend boxoffice, opening a third less than Hollywood expected and ensuring its high cost will make it impossible to earn out.





Feel free to gloat for the cratering of this cinematic Obama love sonnet.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 03:05 AM (kdS6q)

33 I hope that Trey Gowdey can rally the troops against Agent Orange Boehner.

I can see it now; the conservatives in the House will oppose any House Amnesty bill while the RINO's and Dems will vote "yes" to pass it.

If anyone doubts that the two parties are in cohoots, this should make the scales fall away from your eyes.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 07:00 AM (+98Gb)


I saw a few articles on his interviews over the weekend that he is perhaps caving to Boner and the other Party bosses.  Hints that he will support a Republican/House bill.



I did not post these because I want to wait and see what happens before besmirching Gowdey.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 03:06 AM (lZvxr)

34 30 17 million real American citizens march on DC. I'd give four of my eight testicles to see that. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 07:03 AM (+98Gb) Family sized!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at July 01, 2013 03:07 AM (vh67+)

35 Keep calling the House to not bring forward any bill and kill the Senate's.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:07 AM (+98Gb)

36 "White House Down" Flops For $26M

Sony PicturesÂ’ White House Down disappointed in the #4 wekend boxoffice, opening a third less than Hollywood expected and ensuring its high cost will make it impossible to earn out.



Feel free to gloat for the cratering of this cinematic Obama love sonnet.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 07:05 AM (kdS6q)



It must be racism that caused it to flop

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2013 03:07 AM (TGA2G)

37 33 Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 07:06 AM (lZvxr) Oh boy. Anyway, I am still confused. Once a bill comes out of conference committee does it go to the president for signing into law, or does the reconciled new bill have to be voted on again in each chamber?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:09 AM (+98Gb)

38

I covered this yesterday in a post based on a statement made by Fox News on TV. House leadership is getting ready to sell us out on the amnesty bill. Conservative members have begged Boner to not bring any bill to the floor to avoid the joint committee. The leadership says they will bring a House bill to the floor for a vote. Which means ultimately it will go to a joint committee in which Boner will sell us out for another bag of magic beans and an assfucking w/o a reach-around.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 06:51 AM (lZvxr)

 That's because most GOP politicians have no core principals about   limiting  the power of government.  They lie to their base in order to get elected and then do the opposite once in office.

 

I no longer consider myself a Republican and doubt that I will vote for them again.  LET.IT.BURN.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at July 01, 2013 03:09 AM (b0pG9)

39 http://tinyurl.com/lrmuynk

Cirque D' Soleil has a bodycount now...

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:10 AM (LRFds)

40 http://tinyurl.com/k6pnbrw

Jennifer Lopez gets her Marilyn Monroe on for na dictator "Happy Birthday Mr Turkoman"

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:11 AM (LRFds)

41 Damn I wish he had not voted for that Pigford shit.

http://tinyurl.com/k9nb485

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 06:54 AM (lZvxr)



Don't let one ill advised vote queer the deal on West.  He's bang spot on with everything else.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 03:12 AM (mskb1)

42 @15 Its a well known fact that the abortion provisions of the constitution though hidden in a penumbra that lies underneath an emanation are more clearly written than say the 2nd amendment. I hate these people.

Posted by: kreplach at July 01, 2013 03:12 AM (nFI1a)

43 37 JJ Sefton,

Goes back to both chambers for a straight up or down vote...no amendments, no filibuster...

rinos side with donks and AMIGO GRANDE!

Fuck the GOP let it burn

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:12 AM (LRFds)

44 JJ - voted on in each chamber.  Usually a formality.

Posted by: Jean at July 01, 2013 03:13 AM (CMlD4)

45 41 Captain Hate,

Don't let one little issue hurt Rubio it's just amnesty...

I'm about to let no issues bother me...

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:14 AM (LRFds)

46 So TFG's Africa trip cost us $100 million? Yeah right. That mf'er never passes up an opportunity to spend our money, so he announces some $7 billion plan for African electricity 'assistance'.
 
Let's see, that ups the total cost of the trip to $7.1 billion. Hey, what a bargain. But wait, there's more -- GE and a company called Symbion Power announced that they will invest $9 billion in conjunction with TFG's plan.
 
Who wants to bet me that these 'investments' will come with 100% loan guarantees from the US gubmint? Heads they win, tails we lose. Shut down coal power plants here, build natural gas power plants there. I didn't provide a link because I didn't recognize the many sources shown in a Bing search (foreign press, mostly).
 
Fuckity.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2013 03:14 AM (ccXZP)

47 Don't let one ill advised vote queer the deal on West. He's bang spot on with everything else. Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 07:12 AM (mskb1) Good morning, skipper, good morning rons. I have met the man and heard him speak. He is a serious dude and worthy of respect and responsibilty. I could see him in a VP role.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:14 AM (XIxXP)

48 Don't let one ill advised vote queer the deal on West. He's bang spot on with everything else.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 07:12 AM (mskb1)

100% purity or he's a commie.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 03:14 AM (WW8xK)

49 46 GnuBreed,

Giggles wants Africa to have power....

power we're not allowed to have.

It'd be nice if 34 million Americans went to DC

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:15 AM (LRFds)

50 39 http://tinyurl.com/lrmuynk Cirque D' Soleil has a bodycount now... Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 07:10 AM (LRFds) Still, it's one more than Watergate. RIP to the performer.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:16 AM (+98Gb)

51 Hell I'll forgive West Pigford if he comes up with a formal "Reparations" ideally below a quarter million dollars each with a caveat that voter fraud becomes a felony.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:17 AM (LRFds)

52 43, 44 F U C K .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:17 AM (+98Gb)

53 More on the enormous protests in Egypt. "At one point, army helicopters flew over Tahrir Square and dropped Egyptian flags, to cheers from the anti-Morsi crowd." Morning all. Guess they picked sides.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 03:17 AM (GjYxB)

54 100% purity or he's a commie. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 07:14 AM (WW8xK) It almost seems we have to be that way doesn't it. I think many people are still stinging over the cuban combovers new found liberal streak.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:17 AM (XIxXP)

55 51 Hell I'll forgive West Pigford if he comes up with a formal "Reparations" ideally below a quarter million dollars each with a caveat that voter fraud becomes a felony. Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 07:17 AM (LRFds) And I will make no more territorial demands on Europe.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:18 AM (+98Gb)

56 Morning all. Guess they picked sides. Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 07:17 AM (GjYxB) Yep. let the killin begin.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:18 AM (XIxXP)

57 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 07:17 AM (XIxXP)

West has a solid background. The paper trail of his stand against government overreach is clear.

Rubio simply fooled us.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 03:19 AM (WW8xK)

58 http://tinyurl.com/l5hj4lp

CNN picking up on something Sven J Olafson contended when the Prop 8 and DOMA cases were picked up by the court....

"Is Kennedy Gay?"

Don't know...would not be a shocker.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:19 AM (LRFds)

59 Anyway, I am still confused. Once a bill comes out of conference committee does it go to the president for signing into law, or does the reconciled new bill have to be voted on again in each chamber?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 07:09 AM (+98Gb)



Once a bill comes out of the Senate and is passed, if the House votes on it supposedly it invokes a joint committee meet. (at least that is what one of the Fox pundits say).



If the House does not vote on it but submits a bill of their own it goes to joint committee (from Fox also)


If the House simply sits on the Senate bill and does nothing then no committee.  That is what Gowdey and Mulvaney were both calling for originally.  But it looks like that may have changed.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 03:19 AM (lZvxr)

60 Its absolutely true, sooner or later,what's owed must be paid and the bill for this administration's massive fuckups is gettin' due.

Posted by: fastfreefall at July 01, 2013 03:20 AM (jeBXD)

61 "Is Kennedy Gay?" Don't know...would not be a shocker. Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 07:19 AM (LRFds) Back in Kennedy's time they called it a commited bachelor.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:20 AM (XIxXP)

62 voter fraud becomes a felony.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 07:17 AM (LRFds)



Voter fraud should be a capital offense punishable by being hanged by the neck immediately after conviction.  That's how to clean up voting irregularities.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 03:20 AM (mskb1)

63 Your theme set for Egypt and Syrian internal strife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKLfwsN_c20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBYjZTdrJlA

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:21 AM (+98Gb)

64 @48 Purity has to become the watchword. Any group or organization that is not.expressly conservative becomes liberal over time. Compromise becomes the be all and end all. Advancing your principles becomes subordinate to comity and you end up with what we have now, a party with no agenda, no principles, no foundation, no rudder, freckles, mendacious GOP.

Posted by: kreplach at July 01, 2013 03:22 AM (iO3BG)

65 Don't let one ill advised vote queer the deal on West. He's bang spot on with everything else.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 07:12 AM (mskb1)



That was a major hit on him, but it would not block me from voting for him in a national vote.  It would just be lumped in to compare him to other candidates in the primary.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 03:22 AM (lZvxr)

66 Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 07:20 AM (mskb1)

It is a profound attack on our country's principles, and effectively identical to treason.

I can't argue with your suggestion.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 03:22 AM (WW8xK)

67 Voter fraud should be a capital offense punishable by being hanged by the neck immediately after conviction. That's how to clean up voting irregularities. Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 07:20 AM (mskb1) It generally slows or cleanses most irregularities. Something the Muzztards do correctly.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:22 AM (XIxXP)

68 62 Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 07:20 AM (mskb1) Can't we just outlaw any political party that does not follow the Constitution of the United States to the letter?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:23 AM (+98Gb)

69 55 JJ Sefton,

Hey they're the only racial group that will form a 95% bloc and be praised for it JJ...I don't know what to do or feel about it anymore.

The Hispanics will break along cultural and subcultural lines, the whites are split, Asians split, Amerinds split......

but African-Americans are only split in that some of them are like an odd amoeba that subdivides into 6 people all voting D and then like magic the 6 people becomes one at Midnight on election night....

we're already through the looking glass and an Extra Constitutional Post Representative Republic why not try paying the danegeld...?

Boehner thinks I'm as stupid as Jeantel and don't grasp he's selling us out....

I'm certain he's gonna get hispanic votes to make up for the 100% of the people I know in HIS district I spoke with yesterday feeling personally betrayed.

No really...

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:24 AM (LRFds)

70 Voter fraud should be a capital offense punishable by being hanged by the neck immediately after conviction. That's how to clean up voting irregularities. Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 07:20 AM (mskb1) We wouldn't have any left.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:24 AM (XIxXP)

71 I'm all for reparations under these terms: $250K, go to the west African country of your choice, surrender your passport and citizenship and never allowed back in the U.S. It is probably cheaper in the long run.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 01, 2013 03:25 AM (U838B)

72 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 07:20 AM (XIxXP)

He's married and has three(?) kids. And he is Catholic.

My guess is that he had a touch of Liberation Theology in his early years, and couldn't completely shake the redistributionist and revolutionary tendencies .

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 03:25 AM (WW8xK)

73 West has a solid background. The paper trail of his stand against government overreach is clear.

Rubio simply fooled us.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 07:19 AM (WW8xK)



West made an ill considered vote over a minor issue.  If you asked him about it today he'd probably say he fucked up.  Rubio, in addition to breaking a campaign pledge, is doing something that will have a permanent negative impact to the country.  He has had plenty of chances to see the light and recant but stubbornly sides with donk and RINO fuckheads.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 03:25 AM (mskb1)

74
"Is Kennedy Gay?"



Unlikely.

Not so much for the wife and kids, but because he was put up after the failed Bork and Ginsburg nominations, so they probably fine tooted him to a fair thee well.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 03:25 AM (kdS6q)

75 We wouldn't have any left. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 07:24 AM (XIxXP) OOps have not finished first coffee. Anyway if we out lawed all parties that didn't follow the Constitution, there would be no parties.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:26 AM (XIxXP)

76

 

Posted by: Miss Marple at July 01, 2013 07:00 AM (GoIUi)

Glad I could help. Still trying to figure out this comment block myself.

Posted by: rich@gmu at July 01, 2013 03:26 AM (Zg2ou)

77 Missing another 4th of July again. God bless America and God bless allyou patriots and good people of the AOSHQ.

Posted by: fastfreefall at July 01, 2013 03:26 AM (jeBXD)

78 72 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 07:20 AM (XIxXP) He's married and has three(?) kids. And he is Catholic. My guess is that he had a touch of Liberation Theology in his early years, and couldn't completely shake the redistributionist and revolutionary tendencies . Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 07:25 AM (WW8xK) Spencer Tracey was married, Catholic (not sure about any kids) but a raging homo. Wifey refused a divorce and his relationship with Hepburn was only a beard to cover the fact that she was a lezzy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:27 AM (+98Gb)

79 But wait, I'm not done ranting yet. There are 115MM households in the US, of which 1/2 pay federal income taxes. Divide 57.5MM into $7.1 billion, and you get around 130 bucks.
 
That's right, you haters, you're sending $130 to Africa, and you don't even get a nice picture and the occasional letter written in cursive.
 
(apologies for the math outbreak; hopefully that's not a barrel offense)

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2013 03:27 AM (ccXZP)

80 And since I've been in most of those west African hellholes may I say that US blacks should drop to their knees and thank God that their ancestors endured slavery so that they could be free citizens of this country.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 01, 2013 03:27 AM (U838B)

81 http://tinyurl.com/kudgngq

Apple Taxes for Thee None for Me...

Asshole Moonbats

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:28 AM (LRFds)

82 26 I did not particularly care for that "libertarian" purity test. It was more of a big "L" Libertarian test. Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 06:59 AM (lZvxr) I don't see why people were upset. It's an anarcho-capitalist purity test, which is just a longer view of libertarianism.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 03:28 AM (X4HxX)

83 (apologies for the math outbreak; hopefully that's not a barrel offense) Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2013 07:27 AM (ccXZP) Well done.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:28 AM (XIxXP)

84 Don't let one ill advised vote queer the deal on West. He's bang spot on with everything else. Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 07:12 AM (mskb1) The dude's voting record is not great at all.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 03:28 AM (X4HxX)

85
A wealthy Manhattan couple are suing their son's school for almost half a million dollars after they accused them of rigging a fund-raising auction so it could charge them $50,000 for a finger painting.

Upper East Side socialite Michelle Heinemann and her investment banker husband Jon are suing the Cathedral School of St John the Divine, which their son Hudson Cornelius Heinemann attended until recently. The couple removed their son from the school and are suing for $415,000 plus damages - which includes  $20,000 tuition to a new school, forfeited class fees for his little sister Hyacinth Cornelia and HudsonÂ’s $60,000-a-year chauffeur, whose job they want to save.

DailyMail




"Not since the days of Bull Connor, have such injustices..."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 03:29 AM (kdS6q)

86 I am totally against any more "reparations".  We have already paid trillions upon trillions.  I would rather see all the "red States" secede from the union and dare Obama to start another civil war.


Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 03:29 AM (lZvxr)

87 f the House does not vote on it but submits a bill of their own it goes to joint committee (from Fox also)

Close, the House (or Senate) can send the bill forward without the call for a conference committee.  Basically saying FU to the other chamber, you'll vote on our shit and like it.

Posted by: Jean at July 01, 2013 03:29 AM (CMlD4)

88 "Not since the days of Bull Connor, have such injustices..." Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 07:29 AM (kdS6q) That would be known as "White people problems"

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:30 AM (XIxXP)

89 You know what you call a married Catholic father of three?

Gay.

Posted by: elaine at July 01, 2013 03:30 AM (4Mzrt)

90 West made an ill considered vote over a minor issue. If you asked him about it today he'd probably say he fucked up.



To me that was not a "minor" issue.  It was outright fraud perpetuated by the CBC.  And he did say once already he regretted that vote.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 03:31 AM (lZvxr)

91 MR Dave, i frequently thank the Big Man upstairs for the chain of events, starting with Columbus, the fight that ended up with treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, and me being born in the USA, vs a latin america hellhole.

Posted by: fastfreefall at July 01, 2013 03:31 AM (jeBXD)

92 It's an anarcho-capitalist purity test, which is just a longer view of libertarianism.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 07:28 AM (X4HxX)

And even less attractive than the dumbed-down version we have today.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 03:33 AM (WW8xK)

93 Hepburn was only a beard to cover the fact that she was a lezzy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 07:27 AM (+98Gb)


Wow, I had never heard that Hepburn was a lez.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 03:33 AM (lZvxr)

94 A wealthy Manhattan couple are suing their son's school for almost half a million dollars after they accused them of rigging a fund-raising auction so it could charge them $50,000 for a finger painting. Speshul snowflake not $50k special.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 03:33 AM (GjYxB)

95 MR Dave, i frequently thank the Big Man upstairs for the chain of events, starting with Columbus, the fight that ended up with treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, and me being born in the USA, vs a latin america hellhole. Posted by: fastfreefall at July 01, 2013 07:31 AM (jeBXD) Wow, first math, now history, I'm gonna start looking around for a cheerleader to finger.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:33 AM (XIxXP)

96 I am totally against any more "reparations". We have already paid trillions upon trillions. I would rather see all the "red States" secede from the union and dare Obama to start another civil war. THIS.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 03:33 AM (GjYxB)

97 86 Vic,

Vic I just don't think the split will happen fast enough and like the original Idiot from Illinois on the matter Barky will just import "newer better Americans" from Dureka Durka in lieu of Europe as shock troops.

Evidently people born 3 generations after the end of slavery still owe something...

I don't agree with it but there it is.

I respect Allen West, I thought the idea that Americans were owed money for being born was anathema to our national ideals.  Turns out I was in error.  Cut the check...hell it's not like it'd be any more idiotic than Ogabe nuking 33% of electric generation at a sitting....

Just ask openly "a lot of Amewricans seem to think they are owed a middle class or better existence just for showing up...how much does the check need to be or are you looking for an annuity indexed to inflation folks?"

Better to jump both feet in to Marxist fucktardery than playing this long drawn out slow boil.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:34 AM (LRFds)

98 OSP, you're old school bro! Lol!

Posted by: fastfreefall at July 01, 2013 03:35 AM (jeBXD)

99 Close, the House (or Senate) can send the bill forward without the call for a conference committee. Basically saying FU to the other chamber, you'll vote on our shit and like it.

Posted by: Jean at July 01, 2013 07:29 AM (CMlD4)


Not true, if they both approve a different bill then it must go to a joint committee.


In any case, once the committee bill compromise is reached both houses must then revote on the new bill from the committee.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 03:36 AM (lZvxr)

100 Let's see, that ups the total cost of the trip to $7.1 billion. Hey, what a bargain....
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2013 07:14 AM

But wait, there's STILL more, GB!

Choom Boy also announced some kind of major "food program," supposedly designed to "bring Africans out of poverty" or some such shit. That would, according to President Historic First©, be "good for America."

It has been obvious since his Illinois days that the treasonous shitweasel cares more about others -- particularly Muzzies and thuggish dictators -- than American citizens. He'll "stand with them" if it's the last thing we do.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 01, 2013 03:36 AM (/RIVS)

101 Anybody who reads my occasional comments knows Texas secession is my preference. The reparations comment was a joke.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 01, 2013 03:37 AM (U838B)

102 The dude's voting record is not great at all.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 07:28 AM (X4HxX)



I looked at what they had listed at ontheissues.org (which may or may not be a great site; it just looked somewhat comprehensive) and nothing there jumped out as being not conservative.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 03:37 AM (mskb1)

103 93 Wow, I had never heard that Hepburn was a lez. Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 07:33 AM (lZvxr) MPPP would confirm it. In those days, the studios and the newspapers were in very close collaboration. You could shoot heroin with underage hookers, so long as you reported for work every Monday at 6:00AM sharp and were sober enough to work. As for Hepburn and Tracey, they were very close friends, but their's was also a, for lack of a better word, "marriage" (really a close friendship) of convenience.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:37 AM (+98Gb)

104
A 21-year-old New Jersey woman has given birth to a little boy on her front lawn - and she didn't even know she was pregnant.

DailyMail





Her husband is quoted as saying, "Nooo!  That was new bent grass sod!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 03:37 AM (kdS6q)

105 Wow, first math, now history, I'm gonna start looking around for a cheerleader to finger. Finger banging Mary Jane Rottencrotch? Jody gonna be pissed.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 03:38 AM (GjYxB)

106 A 21-year-old New Jersey woman has given birth to a little boy on her front lawn - and she didn't even know she was pregnant. DailyMail At what point are you so obese you do not know?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:38 AM (XIxXP)

107 Vic - only if the leadership links the bills.  The House can pass a bill and say - no conference, the Senate can of course just shit can the whole thing.

Posted by: Jean at July 01, 2013 03:39 AM (CMlD4)

108 At any rate I suck at humor now I guess....I thought the amoeba line in post 69 was if nothing else whimsical...

I'm gonna get back to crushing boxes, and probably preparing for my impending bankruptcy.  No I'm not bankrupt yet, BUT considering the House is bound and determined to join the McCain gang in pissing off the base I'm pretty certain that when Pelosi gets back Thor's Gavel there's a good chance myu wife will get nailed in the 3d wave of reductions coming....

We're on pace to lose 300,000 soldiers in the next half decade.

Thank God the wars are over and we don't use the military anymore...

"oh wait"

Fuck it let it burn, I'd almost rather she lose her pension than die in the Service of Radical Islam anyway.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:39 AM (LRFds)

109 104 A 21-year-old New Jersey woman has given birth to a little boy on her front lawn - and she didn't even know she was pregnant. DailyMail Her husband is quoted as saying, "Nooo! That was new bent grass sod!" Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 07:37 AM (kdS6q) Jenteal? Wet grass?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:39 AM (+98Gb)

110 99 >> In any case, once the committee bill compromise is reached both houses must then revote on the new bill from the committee.
 
True. There can be no amendments to the committee bill, and it is a straight majority vote in each house to pass.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2013 03:39 AM (ccXZP)

111 Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 07:37 AM (mskb1)

ACU rating of 88% in 2011 and 80% in 2012.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 03:40 AM (WW8xK)

112 I just figured out last night that the Mauser Modelo 1895 I just bought is probably worth 4-5 times what I paid for it. Now to find the ammo.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 01, 2013 03:40 AM (U838B)

113 107 107 Vic - only if the leadership links the bills. The House can pass a bill and say - no conference, the Senate can of course just shit can the whole thing. Posted by: Jean at July 01, 2013 07:39 AM (CMlD4) Gowdy would want to do that, but Agent Orange holds the gavel.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:40 AM (+98Gb)

114 And even less attractive than the dumbed-down version we have today. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 07:33 AM (WW8xK) It's moral and philosophical objection to aggression. It's not any more dumb than being against slavery.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 03:41 AM (X4HxX)

115 ACU rating of 88% in 2011 and 80% in 2012.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 07:40 AM (WW8xK)


Wow, that's hitting into RINO territory.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 03:41 AM (lZvxr)

116 I just figured out last night that the Mauser Modelo 1895 I just bought is probably worth 4-5 times what I paid for it. Now to find the ammo. Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 01, 2013 07:40 AM (U838B) Well done. I like happy stories. We don't have many of them.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:41 AM (XIxXP)

117 back when I still has a sense of humor remember "Reparations for Neanderthals"?

I'm not laughing anymore...Neanderthal finally beat Cro Magnon I guess

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:41 AM (LRFds)

118 Two nits to pick on the test thingy:


One - I wish people would point out it's not a libertarian test but an anarcho-capitalist test at the beginning rather than the end of articles discussing said test.


Two - in lawn getting off of news, I have an intense dislike for the infographics everyone is so fond of using right now.   Why?   Because I can't read them because the print is too small.


*shakes cane at all you whippersnappers*


Oh.   Look.   It's going to pour for the next two days.   There's something new and different.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at July 01, 2013 03:41 AM (Gk3SS)

119 #41 #45  Unlike Rubio,  Colonel West admitted his vote on Pigford was ill-informed and he regretted it.  Also,  Colonel West did NOT run on a platform of opposing Pigford and then voting for it,  which is what Rubio did.

Sven,  you have got to stop painting everyone with the same brush.  It diminishes your arguments.

Posted by: Miss Marple at July 01, 2013 03:42 AM (GoIUi)

120

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 07:41 AM (X4HxX)

Legalize drugs.

Dump the Fed.

Joooos!

I call that dumb.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 03:43 AM (WW8xK)

121 Legalize drugs.Dump the Fed.Joooos!I call that dumb. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 07:43 AM (WW8xK) I'm talking about the moral philosophy, not joo haters.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 03:44 AM (X4HxX)

122 Otherwise I could just say "well conservatives are ALL like Huckabee".

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 03:45 AM (X4HxX)

123 And not actually discuss the issues at hand.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 03:45 AM (X4HxX)

124 Malte Spitz, NYT, June 29 '13 "Germans Loved Obama. Now We DonÂ’t Trust Him" DURING Mr. ObamaÂ’s presidency, no American political debate has received as much attention in Germany as the N.S.A. Prism program. People are beginning to second-guess the belief that digital communication stays private. It changes both our perception of communication and our trust in Mr. Obama. Even as a Green Party politician [executive committee], I wasnÂ’t impressed with Mr. ObamaÂ’s focus on fighting global warming. While his renewed enthusiasm is appreciated, it served as a distraction from the criticism he is currently facing for allowing invasive state surveillance. He cannot simply change the subject.

Posted by: panzernashorn at July 01, 2013 03:45 AM (MhA4j)

125 100 >> Choom Boy also announced some kind of major "food program," supposedly designed to "bring Africans out of poverty" or some such shit. That would, according to President Historic First©, be "good for America."
 
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 01, 2013 07:36 AM (/RIVS)
 
Fuckity. Can we get him out of there before he offers to build a solid gold statue of Mandela, 40 feet tall?

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2013 03:45 AM (ccXZP)

126 Otherwise I could just say "well conservatives are ALL like Huckabee". Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 07:45 AM (X4HxX) Ouch.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:45 AM (XIxXP)

127 Hey Vic. How did you miss this one: Russian Teens Behead Homeless Man, Use Head as Football Int'l Business Times, linked at Drudge http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:46 AM (+98Gb)

128 My niece just got orders for Afcrapistan. She better come back alive, Barky.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at July 01, 2013 03:46 AM (i7B17)

129 "West made an ill considered vote over a minor issue. If you asked him about it today he'd probably say he fucked up...." I like West. One of the closest things to a thrill I've had in politics since I posed for a pic with Goldwater was that photo of West and Palin shaking hands at Rolling Thunder. It almost felt like hope. West mostly disappointed me with his wishy-washy politician-style barely-walked-back on Pigford, the non-apology on IIRC Ingraham's show. Good man? No question. Still needs some training up? Also true. The Black Congresscritters joining was just a little sad, too, but he shrugged them off, IIRC. Also... good morning, Revolutionaries.

Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at July 01, 2013 03:46 AM (6B4ha)

130 Ouch. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 07:45 AM (XIxXP) I didn't say that!!! It was rhetorical!!! *ducks and covers*

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 03:46 AM (X4HxX)

131 Fuckity. Can we get him out of there before he offers to build a solid gold statue of Mandela, 40 feet tall? Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2013 07:45 AM (ccXZP) Yeah, they would melt it down and make teeth out of it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:46 AM (XIxXP)

132 128 My niece just got orders for Afcrapistan. She better come back alive, Barky. Posted by: Beefy Meatball at July 01, 2013 07:46 AM (i7B17) I would love to take the temperature of the average soldier and see what they think of the word "mutiny."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:47 AM (+98Gb)

133 The terrorists still at GITMO because they are the worst of the worst got too fat on the good eats prepared in the GITMO kitchens.
......
We need to take ALL of these SOBs out and line them up against a wall and shoot them. But they are Obama buddies so that will never happen.

http://tinyurl.com/l6mr7tw Posted by: Vic
...........................
How about this, Vic?  How about we either try them in a military court, or let them go?

Worst of the worst?  WTF does that mean?  If they are that bad, they must have committed crimes.. if so, they must be tried, convicted and sentenced, instead of kept in the American version of a gulag.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 01, 2013 03:47 AM (UTq/I)

134 John Kasich is doing his best to get everybody in Ohio pissed off at him; he vetoed a restriction to the expansion of Medicaid and promoted some things that the abortion absolutists hated (I'm sure having to do with restricting late term abortions).  I don't see a campaign of "Vote for me because I'll fuck the other guy just as hard as I'm fucking you" being positive for his political future.  At least he ridded us of that dumbass Twitch Strickland who never did a fucking thing that worked out well.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 03:48 AM (mskb1)

135 128 Posted by: Beefy Meatball at July 01, 2013 07:46 AM (i7B17) And may the good Lord keep her safe.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:48 AM (+98Gb)

136 So the private school has a first grade teacher, who obviously knew that the Heinemann's instructions to the proxy didn't include an upper limit, bid the price up to 50k, knowing/hoping the proxy would follow his instructions to the letter and outbid "everyone" for the finger painting. Definitely a scuzzy trick, and a form of theft, but I have a feeling the lawyers will be the only ones who get satisfaction in the case.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 01, 2013 03:48 AM (ZshNr)

137 134 Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 07:48 AM (mskb1) Didn't Kasich cave on setting up the health care exchanges?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:49 AM (+98Gb)

138
[West] ACU rating of 88% in 2011 and 80% in 2012.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 07:40 AM (WW8xK)


Wow, that's hitting into RINO territory.
Posted by: Vic





As of 2010, Mccain had an ACU Life of 83.

So, there's that.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 03:49 AM (kdS6q)

139 Russian Teens Behead Homeless Man, Use Head as Football

Int'l Business Times, linked at Drudge

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ Posted by: J.J. Sefton
...............
Hey.. don't you know how expensive soccer balls are in Russia?  This boy showed the entrepreneurial spirit!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 01, 2013 03:50 AM (UTq/I)

140 119 Miss Marple,

Allen West supported overt fraud that Mr Magoo could have seen was fraud ma'am.

I know let's make him PotUS, I'm certain that's what we need in a CinC facing a partisan non-partisan civil service.

I respect him, I'd back him more than Rubio for the reasons alluded to, but he was if I recall correctly the only GOPer of national name recognized prestige who backed Pigford.

I am not offering an argument beyond, the base is about to be shat on(including me). In deciding that the base is once again the outhouse of the nation the GOP brain trust is doing their best to make 2006 look like the GOP glory days.  That genius move means that Nancy Pelosi is going to in all likelihood get power back and Emperor Momjeans will end his reign(God willing) as he started it with total unaccountable power.

I predicted the misuse of IRS back in 2008, I posted on the likelihood that intel assets authorized for foreign use would be aimed inward in 2009.

I have a sad habit of often being right on politics, what's my secret?

I wargame the absolute worst, most treacherous, and stupidly venal likely path that the GOP and Democrats would each desire and then move one step further towards "duh"....

It seldom lets me down.


Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:50 AM (LRFds)

141 133 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 01, 2013 07:47 AM (UTq/I) Let Paula Deen feed the muzzies. Heh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:50 AM (+98Gb)

142 18 BB saying that the anti-Muzzie protest in Egypt this weekend is the largest political protest in world How come they can and we can't?

Posted by: Socialist States of America at July 01, 2013 03:51 AM (xCh2P)

143 138 As of 2010, Mccain had an ACU Life of 83. So, there's that. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 07:49 AM (kdS6q) Is the ACU still conservative? What are the criteria that determine the final rating?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:51 AM (+98Gb)

144 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 01, 2013 07:47 AM (UTq/I)

Why the fuck would we try them?

We didn't try POWs in any other war. Why do these terrorist scum deserve anything other than humane detention until the war is over?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 03:51 AM (WW8xK)

145 lol

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 01, 2013 03:51 AM (UTq/I)

146 Didn't Kasich cave on setting up the health care exchanges?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 07:49 AM (+98Gb)



Affirmative.  That was the first major disappointment.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 03:52 AM (mskb1)

147 Russian Teens Behead Homeless Man, Use Head as Football The world is slipping into a midevil posture. I blame that evil rock and roll music.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:52 AM (XIxXP)

148 129 Mindful webworker,

Pretty much my read. I respect Col West but he proved with Pigford he's a politician.  McCain was once a dashing O-6 as well.

The magic day comes where their military persona is subordinate to their political hunger.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:52 AM (LRFds)

149 Whitehouse will make its money overseas, especially the ME cause they will be cheering it on.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 03:52 AM (zOTsN)

150 142 18 BB saying that the anti-Muzzie protest in Egypt this weekend is the largest political protest in world How come they can and we can't? Posted by: Socialist States of America at July 01, 2013 07:51 AM (xCh2P) Yes we can! Can't, er Can! Oh, fuck it. At any rate, they're all unemployed. There are still a lot of us schlubs who have to get up every day to feed the FSA.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:52 AM (+98Gb)

151 First. prayers to the AZ firefighters and their families, truly a tragic accident. Second, about homeschooling due to a "disability". My daughter had to pull my grandson out of school in kindergarten due to peanut allergies, the school simply could not prevent peanuts from being spread around the school. I guess noone thinks of washing hands duh. After multiple allergic attacks and countless meetings with the school admin (who btw did not know what anaphalaxis is, and have no policy for food allergies), she decided to homeschool. It is incredible how much more knowledge and reasoning skills this child has over his peers. We support her fully and will fight tooth and nail for her right to educate him, Menendez and his ilk can bite my bloomimg arse!

Posted by: FCF at July 01, 2013 03:53 AM (Khja4)

152 Russian Teens Behead Homeless Man, Use Head as Football I wonder if by buying the Africans he isn't trying to make a run at the rare earth metals that we need for, well, most everything. Chinas made inroads and is trying to corner the market.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 03:54 AM (XIxXP)

153 White House Down that is.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 03:54 AM (zOTsN)

154 Fuckity. Can we get him out of there before he offers to build a solid gold statue of Mandela, 40 feet tall?
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2013 07:45 AM

You kidding? These are only the giveaways we KNOW about. What do you suppose he has been passing along without telling us?

I'm sure Cousin Odinga -- among many other African thugs, terrorists and assorted Muzzie riffraff -- has a long wish list for Choom Boy.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 01, 2013 03:55 AM (/RIVS)

155 142 Posted by: Socialist States of America at July 01, 2013 07:51 AM (xCh2P) In all seriousness, if even 1 million Americans appeared en masse on Capitol Hill, with the same shall we say "fervor" as the Gyppo's in Tahrir Square, that would send a fucking message. But can you imagine if 17 million of us showed up??

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:55 AM (+98Gb)

156 Russian Teens Behead Homeless Man, Use Head as Football

Int'l Business Times, linked at Drudge

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 07:46 AM (+98Gb)


I don't remember seeing that one.  Did he put it up in the past couple of hours?  I started pulling links about 3 am.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 03:55 AM (lZvxr)

157 They can't be released without directly aiding our enemies, as evidenced by the Gitmo recidivist rate. They have no Right to any access to our Court system or Constitutional protections. It's life in prison, and I prefer that prison be Gitmo, as it is the intended purpose of the facility, or execution. I prefer the latter, but mowing down hundreds of them en masse is bad international optics and impractical domestic politics.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 01, 2013 03:55 AM (ZshNr)

158
What are the criteria that determine the final rating?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton




Thunderdome.

They pick a dozen or so critial votes and score them y/n on each.

Score = Total "right" / Total votes

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 03:55 AM (kdS6q)

159 Is the ACU still conservative? What are the criteria that determine the final rating?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 07:51 AM (+98Gb)

They have an irritating web site, and they don't explain the methodology, but my representative, Scott Garrett, has a rating of 96% and 100% for those years.

http://conservative.org/ratingsarchive/uscongress/2012/

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 03:55 AM (WW8xK)

160 152 I wonder if by buying the Africans he isn't trying to make a run at the rare earth metals that we need for, well, most everything. Chinas made inroads and is trying to corner the market. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 07:54 AM (XIxXP) Why would we do that? He's hell bent on destroying our military capability and our economy in general.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:56 AM (+98Gb)

161 My local school district provides THREE meals a day to “poor” children, EVEN.DURING.THE.SUMMER.

And that's not taken into account when computing how many dollars go on their mamma's SNAP card.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking beer at July 01, 2013 03:56 AM (hO8IJ)

162 It seldom lets me down. Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 **** When you confront these moderates, in the years before, with what turns out to be fact they call you names and act all superior and shit. They never say "Sven was right,..." What lies ahead is even more horrific than they can contemplate so the future does not exist.

Posted by: Dept. of Acuracy at July 01, 2013 03:56 AM (VWfCN)

163 Choom Boy also announced some kind of major "food program," supposedly designed to "bring Africans out of poverty" or some such shit. That would, according to President Historic First©, be "good for America."

It has been obvious since his Illinois days that the treasonous shitweasel cares more about others -- particularly Muzzies and thuggish dictators -- than American citizens. He'll "stand with them" if it's the last thing we do.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 01, 2013 07:36 AM (/RIVS)



So he's turning us into another Zimbabwe to help Africa?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2013 03:57 AM (TGA2G)

164 But can you imagine if 17 million of us showed up??

I don't think that many of us are expendable, and that's the problem.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking beer at July 01, 2013 03:58 AM (hO8IJ)

165 160 JJ Sefton,

JJ a lot of people still have trouble wrapping their head around the fact he is not interested in the least in helping America.

He is interested in empowering the democrats to remove the white and blue from our flag, and personal enrichment.

That's it.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 03:58 AM (LRFds)

166 158 Thunderdome. They pick a dozen or so critial votes and score them y/n on each. Score = Total "right" / Total votes Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 07:55 AM (kdS6q) I get it, but what is their perception of conservative or not? I mean is the ACU on par with the Heritage Foundation or more like Grover Norquist? There is a big difference.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:58 AM (+98Gb)

167 147 -

And fluoride in the water. 

For some reason my outrage meter isn't budging this morning. 

Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2013 03:59 AM (BeSEI)

168 He pledged he would double electrical capacity in subsaharan Africa by building power plants. Which we cant get built here cause Gaia.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 03:59 AM (zOTsN)

169
I respect Col West but he proved with Pigford he's a politician....
Posted by: Esteban1007




The one that stuck with me is when West went all "Trayvon!" right after the Zimmermann shooting.

http://tinyurl.com/mdh9ehk

Deal breaker.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 03:59 AM (kdS6q)

170 160 Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 07:58 AM (LRFds) That's what I implied, but you are correct as well.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 03:59 AM (+98Gb)

171 Worst of the worst? WTF does that mean? If they are that bad, they must have committed crimes.. if so, they must be tried, convicted and sentenced, instead of kept in the American version of a gulag.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 01, 2013 07:47 AM (UTq/I)


If you had been paying attention to GITMO or to all the links I have posted you would have seen way back when the evil Buuuush was President an article from a major news organization that is reputable.



The article said that all the ones judges to be not bad, or not too bad, had already been released back to their home countries.  All that was left were the ones that investigation had determined were hardcore Jihadies who could not be released and who nobody wanted.


And they are terrorists and have already had the equivalent of a military trial.  They should be SHOT.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 04:00 AM (lZvxr)

172 So he's turning us into another Zimbabwe to help Africa?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2013 07:57 AM

Hell, why should this racist, imperialist, overpopulated-with-white-folks nation be any better off than less-fortunate nations? Choom Boy is bound and determined to give 'til we hurt.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 01, 2013 04:01 AM (/RIVS)

173 @169 Thanks for posting that. What a bubble burster.

Posted by: Gran at July 01, 2013 04:02 AM (mw0FO)

174 He pledged he would double electrical capacity in subsaharan Africa by building power plants.

Real power plants, or kickbacks to his cronies in the "solar industry"?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking coffee at July 01, 2013 04:02 AM (hO8IJ)

175 He pledged he would double electrical capacity in subsaharan Africa by building power plants.


Which we cant get built here cause Gaia.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 07:59 AM (zOTsN)




But all with "green energy", right?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2013 04:02 AM (TGA2G)

176 Sometimes you've had too much food and electricity.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 04:02 AM (zOTsN)

177 172 Posted by: MrScribbler at July 01, 2013 08:01 AM (/RIVS) SCOAMF is right in this case. We're responsible for turning Zimbabwe into a shithole of a failed state. Well, to be more precise, JIMMY CARTER is responsible. He stole the election and gave the country away to Mugabe.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 04:03 AM (+98Gb)

178 Real power plants, or kickbacks to his cronies in the "solar industry"? Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking coffee at July 01, 2013 08:02 AM (hO8IJ) Hmm, windmills and solar, all built by his good friends GE and, whatever failed solar co is left.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 04:04 AM (XIxXP)

179 I love shitting in the punch bowl by insisting on using Rhodesia vice Zimbabwe in meetings.

Posted by: Jean at July 01, 2013 04:04 AM (CMlD4)

180
what is their perception of conservative or not?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
 



They list the specific votes in the details. Fairly uncontroversial, I thought.

Problems include the limited set of votes and only counting final votes, so the cloture/final pivot doesn't get captured. Plus the metric is pretty easily gamed in election years, hence Mccain's 100%  in 2010.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 04:04 AM (kdS6q)

181 Sometimes you've had too much food and electricity.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 08:02 AM (zOTsN)




Barry the Spender: But not enough 5 star vacations. Fire up Air Force One!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2013 04:05 AM (TGA2G)

182 Real power plants, or kickbacks to his cronies in the "solar industry"?

Not coal.

Posted by: Jean at July 01, 2013 04:05 AM (CMlD4)

183 152 >> I wonder if by buying the Africans he isn't trying to make a run at the rare earth metals that we need for, well, most everything. Chinas made inroads and is trying to corner the market.
 
OSP, we have lots of ores here in the US and at one time we were a leading producer. The Chinese undercut the world in price in the 90s and sorta took over the market. A US mine in CA has restarted production last year. Wiki has a pretty good write-up on the rare earth situation.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2013 04:05 AM (ccXZP)

184 If Boner is willing to prohibit non-citizens (and, ideally, non-taxpayers) from collecting any and all forms of government transfer payments I'd be more interested in their immigration bullshit. If they could also trim the bill to 20 pages or so and take out any discretion for DHS dykishness, I'd go all-in and support it.

Posted by: MTF at July 01, 2013 04:05 AM (AK0yr)

185 Is the ACU still conservative? What are the criteria that determine the final rating?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 07:51 AM (+98Gb)

They have an irritating web site, and they don't explain the methodology, but my representative, Scott Garrett, has a rating of 96% and 100% for those years.

http://conservative.org/ratingsarchive/uscongress/2012/

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 07:55 AM (WW8xK)



The trouble with those ratings is that if they weigh votes on very important issues the same as they do piddley shit stuff, they become meaningless.  For example, as bad as West's Pigford vote was, I don't see it being as bad long term for the country as what Toomey did on gun control or Rubio on shamnesty.  Those have long term consequences.  As it is, as bad as I think Toomey fucked up on that issue I'd still consider him less of a sell out than Rubio, who is just incredibly self destructive on this immigration nonsense.  And if they weigh votes, different people would have different criteria; what I stated above is just my thinking.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 04:06 AM (mskb1)

186

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 07:54 AM (XIxXP)

Wouldn't he had to have shown some knowledge of economics to think that through?  He said in a speech ATMs cause unemployment. Also Nebraska is sitting on a large reserve of rems.

Posted by: rich@gmu at July 01, 2013 04:06 AM (Zg2ou)

187 Is the ACU still conservative? What are the criteria that determine the final rating?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 07:51 AM (+98Gb)


The pick out a number of bills each voting year as ones that are important to "Conservatives" (not just the GOP).  The they measure each critter on how they vote on those bills selected. 


It is not a be all because there is no one system that can really be used to ultimately call a politician a conservative good guy.  For example Graham usually averages around 90 and he is one of the biggest RINOs in the Senate.  But he and some other RINOs are able to do this by gaming the system.  They do stuff like trade votes, vote yes on conservative bills they  know will be defeated (or vice-versa), and vote for cloture and then no on the bill knowing that it will pass.



However lower scores (<90) have been shown to be reliable in showing RINO status.  I consider < 50 as DIABLO.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 04:06 AM (lZvxr)

188
He pledged he would double electrical capacity in subsaharan Africa

But all with "green energy", right?
Posted by: TheQuietMan




5000 mile extension cord from Virginia....



Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 04:07 AM (kdS6q)

189 He pledged 7 billion to allow them to build their own power plants. Didn't say if they were green. Prolly how he pays off prog run US energy producers he is suffocating here.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 04:07 AM (zOTsN)

190 JIMMY CARTER is responsible. He stole the election and gave the country away to Mugabe.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 08:03 AM

True dat, JJ. But then, by logical extension, Kenya is responsible for our current precipitous decline, since they produced Stanley Dunham's baby daddy. That gave us our very own Mugabe....

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 01, 2013 04:09 AM (/RIVS)

191 We didn't try POWs in any other war. Why do these terrorist scum deserve anything other than humane detention until the war is over?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 07:51 AM (WW8xK)



Keep in mind that these assholes are in direct violation of the laws of war and the Geneva Convention and thus can be shot.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 04:09 AM (lZvxr)

192 Not so much for the wife and kids, but because he was put up after the failed Bork and Ginsburg nominations, so they probably fine tooted him to a fair thee well. That sounds pretty gay right there.

Posted by: blaster at July 01, 2013 04:09 AM (c28BI)

193 OSP, we have lots of ores here in the US and at one time we were a leading producer. The Chinese undercut the world in price in the 90s and sorta took over the market. A US mine in CA has restarted production last year. Wiki has a pretty good write-up on the rare earth situation. Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2013 08:05 AM (ccXZP) My wife deals with rare earth metals every day. We don't have what we need and prices have spiked x5. Yes, we have some things, and I'm not smart enough to tell what we have and what we need. But there is a growing problem and making inroads in africa is the solution.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 04:09 AM (XIxXP)

194 Obama, Bush to meet in Tanzania http://wtim.es/14IQgL4

To honor the victims of a terrorist attack Clinton used to divert attention away from his perjury.  Ho-hum.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking coffee at July 01, 2013 04:10 AM (hO8IJ)

195 184 If Boner is willing to prohibit non-citizens (and, ideally, non-taxpayers) from collecting any and all forms of government transfer payments I'd be more interested in their immigration bullshit. If they could also trim the bill to 20 pages or so and take out any discretion for DHS dykishness, I'd go all-in and support it. Posted by: MTF at July 01, 2013 08:05 AM (AK0yr) You see, the problem is you presuppose that we have an honest government that follows the rule of law. We don't. They enforce the laws that they want, ignore others outright, and circumvent any semblance of due process and procedure with a catch-me-if-you-can attitude. The Leviathan is in their pocket as is the judiciary. We the People are now being ruled over with an ever harder iron fist. It's all bullshit. NO BILLS. KILL THE AMNESTY.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 04:10 AM (+98Gb)

196 I thought Pigford was to correct a flaw, then the Gubmint toadies opened up the litmus test and made it reparations.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at July 01, 2013 04:10 AM (OFP0k)

197 But there is a growing problem and making inroads in africa is the solution.

Yeah, I don't see SCOAMF being interested in that at all.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking coffee at July 01, 2013 04:11 AM (hO8IJ)

198 190 True dat, JJ. But then, by logical extension, Kenya is responsible for our current precipitous decline, since they produced Stanley Dunham's baby daddy. That gave us our very own Mugabe.... Posted by: MrScribbler at July 01, 2013 08:09 AM (/RIVS) QED.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 04:11 AM (+98Gb)

199 162 Dept of Accuracy,

Pretty much.  I did post on those things, I even did so in more serious styled post of mine here.  I wish I had saved links to them.

"You're paranoid" , "Bush did it too", "The voters will punish him", "the media won't be able to protect him", and on and on I've heard.

I'm not looking to be treated like the Oracle of Delphi, I don't want "wow you nailed that one...Jugears set up a police state pretty well", and in all likeihood I'm not going to get what I most desperately wanted which was a GOP willing to do and Gingrich did in the 1988-1994 era and confront the media bias and liberal idiocy with an intelligent defense of Capitalism and a reduction in the welfare state.

Do I think we're going to be smart enough to push for a split and make it stick?

Nope. Not really.

Do I think the Democrats are going to be empowered post Amnesty to alter the Bill of Rights via amendatory process if they can be bothered to go through form?

Yup, I sure do.  The funny thing is they will not really be representing the %age of population needed to do so but the GOP will have said forcefully enough to a good portion of the American people "fuck you sit down and shut up the Chamber of Commerce wants X."

I'm pretty certain that enough of us will sit out or go third party that the democrats will get their way for the rest of my life.

I probably feel like a Calvin Coolidge Republican who was 18 when he voted for President Coolidge felt as he watched the democrats grab power and hold on to it for ~54 years in a row in the House.  The difference is in all likelihood that person knew sooner or later the pendulum would likely swing back.  It is my reasoned estimation it will not.

The New Dealers wanted to "fix" an America they loved.

The Ogabe Dealers want to "fix" an America they loathe.

I'm gonna pull the fade, I have nothing to add that is anything but morose.  That is not what is needed, and likely not wanted.  The GOP does not want to stop the train, and I'm sadly certain nothing I can do will stop it either.

All we can do now is brace for impact.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 04:12 AM (LRFds)

200 Speaking of the war on HUNGER, is anybody else as irritated as I am with the Target commercials advertising buy this ugly, shoddy product and we well donate X number of meals per product? They feature young hipsters buying this stuff to feel self righteous about doing good. If anybody in America is still not accessing all the free food programs available, I want to know why not? I also hate Target's commercials in Spanish. Target has lost me for good.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 01, 2013 04:12 AM (LZi/r)

201

168 He pledged he would double electrical capacity in subsaharan Africa by building power plants.

****

I'll look at the specifics when I'm awake but that is looking like a some crony capitalism for Soros and Buffett laundered through the Ex/Im Bank and OPIC.

Posted by: rich@gmu at July 01, 2013 04:13 AM (Zg2ou)

202
You must be a lawyer to argue before the Supreme Court.

Thought that already was the case? It wasn't until Monday, when the Supreme Court revised its 80-page rule book for the first time since 2010.

The update covers items such as filing deadlines but also adds Rule 28.8, which requires anyone arguing before the court to be a lawyer. The high court says the new rule simply codifies a "long-standing practice of the court."

A nonlawyer hasn't argued before the justices in more than three decades, though not for a lack of trying. A magazine publisher, entrepreneur and paralegal-in-training asked but were turned down, the paralegal-in-training the past year.


SFGate

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 04:13 AM (kdS6q)

203 re the fire fighters [RIP]

Would they still be alive if obama had not gutted the fire fighting airplane force?

I seem to remember the number of planes being cut by 2/3 a year or two ago.


Posted by: Mark E at July 01, 2013 04:13 AM (w5RwR)

204 I get it, but what is their perception of conservative or not? I mean is the ACU on par with the Heritage Foundation or more like Grover Norquist? There is a big difference.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 07:58 AM (+98Gb)


They do not even attempt to tell what you should consider conservative based on the ratings. They expect individuals to make their on judgement.  I use less than 90 for general RINO and < 50 for DIABLO.  And I factor in bad votes on major bills and stabs in the back on cloture votes.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 04:14 AM (lZvxr)

205 19 firefighters are dead in the Yarnell Hill wildfire. The fire started Friday after a lighting strike. Liberals, naturally, are already blaming global warming. # RIP to the hot shot firemen. Condolences to their families. And sympathy for families displaced by the fires. Liberals are the last to actually shell out for charity, thinking the word means another opportunity to scam the system for their own profit. "Charity" for themselves, they being the most needy and clingy of all. Liberals are among the land developers making real estate deals out of the desert, and would never accept any responsibility, much less guilt, for encouraging a higher density human population than the ecosystem can support. Namely, WATER. Drought is the annual summer occurrence in AZ, a tinderbox nearly all year. If lightening started the wildfire, was there no rain, a dry electrical storm? Meanwhile, where's the aerial map of the wildfire? If the Liberals want to argue man-made global phenomena, would they attack responses to their demands, such as politicians' abuse of scientific measures to "cure" global warming on demand, seeding clouds, etc., especially if it were Liberals' property and lives being consumed by wildfires?

Posted by: panzernashorn at July 01, 2013 04:15 AM (MhA4j)

206 200 Target has lost me for good. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 01, 2013 08:12 AM (LZi/r) Have you considered shoplifting, or in-store product sabotage (No, I don't mean like Tylenol!!!)?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 01, 2013 04:15 AM (+98Gb)

207 Front page above the fold WSJ details the doubling or tripling of health insurance rates for healthy consumers. Don't have the stomach to read the cont. on A4 portion.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 01, 2013 04:15 AM (ZshNr)

208 Let Paula Deen feed the muzzies. Pork.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 04:15 AM (GjYxB)

209
Jamie Foxx Wears Trayvon Martin T-Shirt At BET Awards



Face punch.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 04:16 AM (kdS6q)

210 http://tinyurl.com/lnh2ds8 Andrew Branca considers himself an honorary Moron!

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 04:16 AM (X4HxX)

211 Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 08:16 AM (X4HxX) It will not open.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 04:17 AM (XIxXP)

212 203 Sequestration. Someone had to sacrifice. And that's not the Obama Vacation for Life administration of luxury "doing without".

Posted by: panzernashorn at July 01, 2013 04:18 AM (MhA4j)

213 "...can be shot. "

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 08:09 AM (lZvxr)

Technically, they can be executed on the battlefield, but that will never happen.

The point is that they are now POWs, and aren't owed anything, least of all a trial.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 04:18 AM (WW8xK)

214 Jamie Foxx Wears Trayvon Martin T-Shirt At BET Awards Face punch. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 08:16 AM (kdS6q) White House Down is number 4. Yay!

Posted by: RWC at July 01, 2013 04:19 AM (fWAjv)

215
will donate X number of meals per product....
Target has lost me for good.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil




Tough crowd.

Sorry, you're on your own on this one.  Target Red Card holders get 5% off and free shipping on on-line orders.

Apparently I can be bought -- and at a surprisingly affordable price.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 04:20 AM (kdS6q)

216 211 Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 08:16 AM (X4HxX) It will not open. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 08:17 AM (XIxXP) Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiet. Link in nick.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 04:20 AM (X4HxX)

217 According to world bank, they are coal fired power plants That's funny

Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 04:20 AM (zOTsN)

218 193 >> But there is a growing problem and making inroads in africa is the solution.
 
There are also quite a bit of ores in Afcrapistan, OSP. The real answer is the free market, not one geographic location. But with the JEF, we know how likely a free market solution will be.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2013 04:20 AM (ccXZP)

219 Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiet. Link in nick. Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 08:20 AM (X4HxX) That's cool.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 04:21 AM (XIxXP)

220 According to world bank, they are coal fired power plants That's funny Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 08:20 AM (zOTsN) Yeah, ha fucking ha

Posted by: United mine workers at July 01, 2013 04:22 AM (XIxXP)

221 JEF promises 7 billion for African nations to build coal fired power plants. That it funny

Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 04:23 AM (zOTsN)

222 There are also quite a bit of ores in Afcrapistan, OSP. The real answer is the free market, not one geographic location. But with the JEF, we know how likely a free market solution will be. Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2013 08:20 AM (ccXZP) There can't be a free market with chins hording them. That's whats happening. There is not enough to go around.

Posted by: United mine workers at July 01, 2013 04:23 AM (XIxXP)

223 Funny ironic not funny ha ha

Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 04:23 AM (zOTsN)

224 "The one that stuck with me is when West went all 'Trayvon!' right after the Zimmermann shooting." Pigford. BCC. Trayvon. It's almost as if Col. West has a blind spot in his conservatism. A macular degenerative color-blind spot.

Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at July 01, 2013 04:23 AM (1s+pS)

225 Stupid UMW sock.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 04:24 AM (XIxXP)

226 I thought Pigford was to correct a flaw, then the Gubmint toadies opened up the litmus test and made it reparations.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at July 01, 2013 08:10 AM (OFP0k)



Pigford has never been anything other than a fraud cooked up by the CBC and that scrunt that is suing BB.  She and a bunch of toadies sued the Dep of Agr because supposedly they discriminated against black farmers.  Holder then in the DOJ settled "out of court" and congress allocated some money to pay out a settlement.


After all the money was used up by paying more black farmers than ever existed in the US at any one time they ginned up Pigford II.  That was uniformly opposed by almost all Republicans because they knew it was a fraud and some even said this on the floor. Documented cases of fraud were referenced for people collecting who were obviously NOT farmers.



If I remember correctly the vote for Pigford II settlement money was held in the infamous Dec lame duck session from Hell in late 2009.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 04:24 AM (lZvxr)

227 According to world bank, they are coal fired power plants



That's funny

Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 08:20 AM (zOTsN)




Doubleplusgood. Since Barry wants to put the US coal industry out of business

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2013 04:25 AM (TGA2G)

228 It's almost as if Col. West has a blind spot in his conservatism. A macular degenerative color-blind spot. Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at July 01, 2013 08:23 AM (1s+pS) He's also a fan of the NDAA. He's got more than color-blind spots.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 04:25 AM (X4HxX)

229 The point is that they are now POWs, and aren't owed anything, least of all a trial. Yep. They decided to fight with no country capable of reaching an armistice to end the conflict and end their captivity. They chose ... poorly.

Posted by: toby928© waiting in the wings at July 01, 2013 04:27 AM (QupBk)

230
Seattle Mariners Fly Gay Pride Flag at Home Game

the team generated a number of headlines yesterday after flying the gay pride flag during a home game at Safeco Field, honoring the landmark Supreme Court decisions of the week: dismissing Prop 8 in California and striking down DOMA.




Utterly unrelated to encouraging politicians to maintain Major League Baseball's antitrust exception, I'm sure.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 04:27 AM (kdS6q)

231 Apparently I can be bought -- and at a surprisingly affordable price.

Yeah, I'm kind of lost here.  We're supposed to boycott a company for making donations to anti-hunger programs...because the government feeds people so these programs aren't necessary?  Isn't that kind of the opposite of what most of us believe (that private individuals/groups should be engaged in charity and the government programs are just extortion/voting-bloc payoffs)?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking coffee at July 01, 2013 04:28 AM (hO8IJ)

232 On the Libertarian Quiz - I scored 54 - any more than that and people start eating each other. Because fundamentally, people are no damned good. Just look around.

Posted by: tubal at July 01, 2013 04:28 AM (BoE3Z)

233 217 >> According to world bank, they are coal fired power plants
 
No, the World Bank has come out and said that they will no longer finance coal power plants. GE and Symbion Power plan to build a natural gas power plant in Tanzania in conjunction with TFG's new African giveaway program.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2013 04:28 AM (ccXZP)

234 There are also quite a bit of ores in Afcrapistan, OSP. The real answer is the free market, not one geographic location. But with the JEF, we know how likely a free market solution will be.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2013 08:20 AM (ccXZP)

*****

ha. don't know if you read up on the USGS survey efforts but they were pretty cool. Too bad it is all going to go to waste.

Posted by: rich@gmu at July 01, 2013 04:29 AM (Zg2ou)

235 Still, that Channing All Over Your Tatum video is funny.

Posted by: blaster at July 01, 2013 04:31 AM (c28BI)

236 I wonder where the Choom King is going to get the money to give them for all this?  The Constitution says that no money will be spent unless it has been allocated by Congress.


Oh silly me, I was dreaming again.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 04:32 AM (lZvxr)

237 Seattle sports teams are all fucking trash.  It was a great day in sports when the Sonics moved to Oklahoma City.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 04:33 AM (mskb1)

238 It's called the Power Africa initiative. OPIC provide a ton of money. GE and some wind companies provide assistance. Totally crony.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 04:34 AM (zOTsN)

239
Grown children in China must visit their parents or potentially face fines or jail, a new law that came into effect on Monday says.

BBC





In a related story, every elderly Jewish mother moves to China.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 04:34 AM (kdS6q)

240 In a related story, every elderly Jewish mother moves to China. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 01, 2013 08:34 AM (kdS6q) LOL

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 04:34 AM (XIxXP)

241 236 >> I wonder where the Choom King is going to get the money to give them for all this? The Constitution says that no money will be spent unless it has been allocated by Congress.
 
I've wondered the same, Vic, every single time he's come up with a new spendathon. Apparently, he has an unlimited slush fund he can pull right out of his ass.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 01, 2013 04:36 AM (ccXZP)

242 On Channing Tatum errr hold on pondering being on Channing Tatum brb Okay. Back. Momentarily.
Best review of The Vow I read said something to the effect of if I was in an accident and wore up with no memory and looked over and there was Channing Tatum saying "Hi. I'm your husband. I love you." I'd just roll with it. *wanders off all innocent like*

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 01, 2013 04:36 AM (VtjlW)

243 I wonder where the Choom King is going to get the money to give them for all this? The Constitution says that no money will be spent unless it has been allocated by Congress.


Oh silly me, I was dreaming again.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 08:32 AM (lZvxr)



It's even worse:  We'll borrow money from China to give to a continent where China has a major presence.  Smart Diplomacy.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 04:36 AM (mskb1)

244 I. Am. So Fucking. Sick. Of. RAIN!!!!


Doesn't anyone have a drought that I can send this shit to? Anyone?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 01, 2013 04:38 AM (yh0zB)

245 239 It's called the Power Africa initiative. OPIC provide a ton of money. GE and some wind companies provide assistance.

Totally crony.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 08:34 AM (zOTsN)

*****

Thanks.  I don't have to look it up Figure the financing arrangement will be the power plant to be built with OPIC money and the "carbon capture" and other envro-crap to be built with Ex Im money. And the ultimate beneficiaries the Forbes 100 who donated to Obama.

Posted by: rich@gmu at July 01, 2013 04:39 AM (Zg2ou)

246 Power Africa says they are going to use African oil as well.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 04:39 AM (zOTsN)

247 Doesn't anyone have a drought that I can send this shit to? Anyone? Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 01, 2013 08:38 AM (yh0zB) It's good for the earth, embrace it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 04:39 AM (XIxXP)

248 Anyone notice the MFM shrieking in unison this morning about a few on the Right saying that Hillary might be too old to run for POTUS in '16? "People would never say that about a man!!!!1!eleventy!!!1!" They did it to McCain. They did it to Reagan. But in today's Orwellian society, the truth has been re-written.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at July 01, 2013 04:39 AM (7ObY1)

249 I blame the US government and the watermelons who refuse to allow proper management of the forests and growth. The US Forest Service has pursued a policy of "suppression*" for far too long. To complicate matters, the Asian Pine Beetle has been moving from east to west, destroying coniferous trees for the past decade. This leaves millions of board feet of lumber standing dead, the most volatile tinder in the forest. It's also interesting to note, the west is sweltering because of a dip in the jet stream, leaving the mid-west feeling more like Canada than Florida. I rode my bike yesterday here in St. Louis, I got a bit chilly on the ride. Upper 60's and 70's. Typically this time of year it's mid-90's w/90% humidity. *supression leaves dead timber and duff to decompose naturally, and small fires, that would normally balance things out, are suppressed until they turn into huge events.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 01, 2013 04:40 AM (nIph2)

250 But in today's Orwellian society, the truth has been re-written. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at July 01, 2013 08:39 AM (7ObY1) Media Matters talking points under the heading, Hillary the victim.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 04:40 AM (XIxXP)

251 I. Am. So Fucking. Sick. Of. RAIN!!!! Doesn't anyone have a drought that I can send this shit to? Anyone? Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 01, 2013 08:38 AM (yh0zB) Well, at least ours is gone? At least it better fucking be because what the fuck is this shit I can't even omfg. There's nothing quite as cockle warming as driving down the highway and seeing the flashing warning signs for a potential flash flood watch lasting for over 48 hours. Oh. Gee. Think we might get a bit of rain then?

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 01, 2013 04:41 AM (VtjlW)

252 "The shooter, Mr Zimmerman, should have been held in custody and certainly should not be walking free, still having a concealed weapons carry permit. From my reading, it seems this young man was pursued and there was no probable cause to engage him, certainly not pursue and shoot him….against the direction of the 911 responder.... Let’s all be appalled at this instance not because of race, but because a young American man has lost his life, seemingly, for no reason.” -Allen West (Is it too soon to call him 'Colin Powell Jr' in terms of disappointment?) Translation: the police acted stupidly. What has the Col. got to say about this now, one wonders. And his PJTV work sucks, too.

Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at July 01, 2013 04:42 AM (13IVx)

253 test

Posted by: test at July 01, 2013 04:42 AM (Cs2tJ)

254 244 Captain Hate,

http://tinyurl.com/87rl5mg

Look at the Map 1/3d down

http://tinyurl.com/mcy5mzw

(from 200

My money quote on %age of debt from the evil Bush Era other than Obama's.

Senator Hillary Clinton, a New York Democrat running for president, said in a 28 February letter to treasury secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke that foreign ownership of “nearly half” the US debt was “a source of great vulnerability.” The economy “can too easily be held hostage to the economic decisions being made in Beijing, Shanghai and Tokyo.”

Offered as support, without further comment.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 04:43 AM (LRFds)

255 It's also interesting to note, the west is sweltering because of a dip in the jet stream, leaving the mid-west feeling more like Canada than Florida. I rode my bike yesterday here in St. Louis, I got a bit chilly on the ride. Upper 60's and 70's. Typically this time of year it's mid-90's w/90% humidity.
*supression leaves dead timber and duff to decompose naturally, and small fires, that would normally balance things out, are suppressed until they turn into huge events.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 01, 2013 08:40 AM (nIph2)



Yes, here in NE Ohio it's been a cooler than average summer with only one day 90 or above and not that many in the 80s.  Plus its been pretty wet with wooded areas being more lush than usual.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2013 04:44 AM (mskb1)

256 Think we might get a bit of rain then?

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 01, 2013 08:41 AM (VtjlW)

We live on a hill. Well above a small stream. I get flood warnings sent to my phone. All. The. Time.

I have yet to discover who to blame for this stupidity, but when I do......

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 01, 2013 04:44 AM (WW8xK)

257 No, I was not asking anyone to boycott Target. I just object to using hunger to sell shoddy products to people so they can feel virtuous. America has people on free food programs who are so fat that they can barely move--including children. We advertise food stamps in Mexico, for goodness sake. So if people are still hungry, shouldn't we ask why that is so? Is it fixable with the many programs and charities in place? It's like clean water in Africa, nothing has worked so far, and the organizations involved are scrambling to understand why?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 01, 2013 04:44 AM (LZi/r)

258 sorry you bombed. like I did my final before the meetup.

Posted by: rich@gmu at July 01, 2013 04:44 AM (Zg2ou)

259 Was it not Ecuador who rejected the aid recently from the US over Snowden? It wasn't the embassy who rejected it.

Posted by: waldo at July 01, 2013 04:46 AM (hc19V)

260 I got me a 64 on that Anarcho-Capitalist test.

I love seeing a Baldwin brother scoring higher than me.  I hope he kicks his idiot brother Alec's ass, now and then.  OK, not now and then... frequently would be better.

Posted by: RobM1981 at July 01, 2013 04:46 AM (zurJC)

261 oh that is weird, I swear I saw a "test" post right above mine. maybe nap time for me.

Posted by: rich@gmu at July 01, 2013 04:46 AM (Zg2ou)

262 It's good for the earth, embrace it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 08:39 AM (XIxXP)



I can't. It's all wetland now and the EPA would put me in a federal PMITA prison.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 01, 2013 04:46 AM (yh0zB)

263 I love seeing a Baldwin brother scoring higher than me. I hope he kicks his idiot brother Alec's ass, now and then. OK, not now and then... frequently would be better.

Posted by: RobM1981 at July 01, 2013 08:46 AM (zurJC)



Except that Adam isn't one of "those" Baldwins. Probably explains why his head isn't in his ass.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 01, 2013 04:47 AM (yh0zB)

264 I can't. It's all wetland now and the EPA would put me in a federal PMITA prison. Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 01, 2013 08:46 AM (yh0zB) OK then, that's a problem.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 04:48 AM (XIxXP)

265 Eh. Even if a movie costs over a 100 to make, it must make over a billion or it is regarded as a failure. That seems like a high bar.But so does costing over a 100 million.

Posted by: waldo at July 01, 2013 04:48 AM (hc19V)

266 I love seeing a Baldwin brother scoring higher than me. I hope he kicks his idiot brother Alec's ass, now and then. OK, not now and then... frequently would be better. Posted by: RobM1981 at July 01, 2013 08:46 AM (zurJC) Adam Baldwin is not one of those Baldwins.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 01, 2013 04:48 AM (VtjlW)

267 Good morning. Three days until I hop a plane to go see my family. I can't wait!

Posted by: DangerGirl, getting angrier by the day at July 01, 2013 04:49 AM (z+Xap)

268 Remember when Michelle said "Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual..." - what did you think she meant?

Still waiting for that internal security force we were promised by Obobo - those are the kind of promises he keeps.

I tend to agree that the Federal bureaucracy will become that SS he promised us.

Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 01, 2013 04:49 AM (ylhEn)

269 Hey, Jay Leno off the hook and peo'd. "I was going to start off tonight with an Obama joke, but I don't want to get audited by the IRS." On NSA surveillance: "We wanted a president who listens to all Americans - now we have one." On a new IRS commissioner: "He's called 'acting commissioner' because he has to act like the scandal doesn't involve the White House." On closing the Guantanamo prison for terrorists: "If he really wants to close it, turn it into a government-funded solar power company. The doors will be shut in a month." Concerning the Benghazi, Associated Press, and IRS scandals: "Remember in the old days when President Obama's biggest embarrassment was Joe Biden?" On Obama saying he didn't know about the IRS scandal: "He was too busy not knowing anything about Benghazi to not know anything about the IRS." "The White House has a new slogan about Benghazi: Hope and change the subject." "It's casual Friday, which means that at the White House, they're casually going through everybody's phone calls and records." "It is not looking good for President Obama. Today his teleprompter took the fifth." "Fox News has changed its slogan from 'Fair and Balanced' to 'See, I told you so!'" "These White House scandals are not going away anytime soon. People in Kenya are now saying he's 100 percent American.that's how bad it's gotten." On Obama's commencement address: "He told the young graduates their future is bright unless, of course, they want jobs." On a Chicago man who set a record for riding a ferris wheel: "The only way to go around and around in a circle that many times is to read the official report on Benghazi." On White House claims of ignorance on the scandals: "They took 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' out of the Pentagon and moved it into the White House."

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 04:50 AM (XIxXP)

270 Seen on WZ: Reggie Love tweeted that he's in Africa.  I guess Obama's hoping to dump Mooch off someplace and do some "golfing" IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 01, 2013 04:50 AM (OevbG)

271

GE and a company called Symbion Power announced that they will invest $9 billion in conjunction with TFG's plan.

A more apt name would be Symbiotic Power, what with obammy and GEs noses up each others ass.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at July 01, 2013 04:50 AM (uOxBm)

272

19 firefighters are dead in the Yarnell Hill wildfire. The fire started Friday after a lighting strike. Liberals        regressives,       naturally, are already blaming global warming.

 

 

Bastards.   I'm sure it never even crossed the regressives' puny minds that these    terrible     wildfires might not be so terrible if they didn't treat every tree thinning, brush clearing, wilderness controlling operation as an act of rape against Mother Gaia.   The    regressive leftwing environmentalist whackjobs have decades of blood on their hands.

 

 

RIP, AZ firefighters.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 01, 2013 04:50 AM (4df7R)

273 Well, I'm off to bed. Hopefully I won't lose power, cause it would suck having the alarm not go off this afternoon to get me up in time to drive through the rain to get to work.

Later roonz and roonettez!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 01, 2013 04:50 AM (yh0zB)

274 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 04:51 AM (/PCJa)

275 Later roonz and roonettez! Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 01, 2013 08:50 AM (yh0zB) Be safe GGE.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 04:51 AM (XIxXP)

276 I rode my bike yesterday here in St. Louis, I got a bit chilly on the ride. Upper 60's and 70's. Typically this time of year it's mid-90's w/90% humidity. 68 in D/FW this morning instead of the typical 80-85.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 04:51 AM (GjYxB)

277 Some how I think my normal follow-up to that comment would be inappropriate, given the content of this morning's thread. But you know the drill.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 04:51 AM (/PCJa)

278 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 08:51 AM (/PCJa) Good morning AG.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 04:52 AM (XIxXP)

279 68 in D/FW this morning instead of the typical 80-85. Yeah, dang it. The thing I hate most about the Global Warming crowd is that they get my hopes up.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 04:52 AM (/PCJa)

280 7 billion government money plus 9 billion private money

Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 04:53 AM (zOTsN)

281 Mornin' OSP. Thanks again for the advice yesterday.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 04:53 AM (/PCJa)

282 Thanks again for the advice yesterday. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 08:53 AM (/PCJa) I had help too, lots of it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 04:53 AM (XIxXP)

283

Well, the kids' mild cold has turned into yucky chest congestion.

 

Since it's 70 degrees and 73 % humidity, I'm thinking about opening the windows.

 

Humidifier, Louisiana, what's the diff?

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 01, 2013 04:55 AM (SUKHu)

284 I'd give West a pass on Zimmerman. His opinion was about a month after it happened and everything he is relying his opinion on is wrong but was reported as fact by the media. I remember quite a few people here got in wrong initially. Again, the media was not reporting the facts, spinning everything against Zimmemrman, changing audio and video tapes, and Corey had all the reports and tapes that were initially posted by the police on a website yanked. Can't have people looking at the actual evidence oh no no no!

Posted by: waldo at July 01, 2013 04:56 AM (hc19V)

285 Humidifier, Louisiana, what's the diff? Posted by: Mama AJ at July 01, 2013 08:55 AM (SUKHu) Take care of it, stuff like that will turn ugly quick.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 04:56 AM (XIxXP)

286 "Seattle Mariners Fly Gay Pride Flag at Home Game" I'm picturing a Baseball's Greatest Moment where some kids try to burn a rainbow flag...

Posted by: Gay Pride Event Planner at July 01, 2013 04:56 AM (bDqG/)

287 I'm picturing a Baseball's Greatest Moment where some kids try to burn a rainbow flag... Posted by: Gay Pride Event Planner at July 01, 2013 08:56 AM (bDqG/) Are there any more Rick Monday's in the MLB?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 04:57 AM (XIxXP)

288 BTW: Jeantel speaks "Black English."

Seriously. Saw a guy on the FB actually say that.

Because calling illiterate mumbling "Ebonics" just wasn't fucking stupid enough.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 01, 2013 04:57 AM (VjL9S)

289 BART said that train operators and station agents in the unions average about $71,000 in base salary and $11,000 in overtime annually. The workers also pay a flat $92 monthly fee for health insurance. ----------- Pretty damn good for a fry cook.

Posted by: RWC at July 01, 2013 04:58 AM (fWAjv)

290 "reparations"

Paid in full.

Posted by: Gettysburg, Antietam, etc., etc., etc. at July 01, 2013 04:58 AM (wJBqy)

291 Jeantel speaks "Black English." Really, why then do black people in England sound like white people in england.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 04:58 AM (XIxXP)

292 GE and a company called Symbion Power announced that they will invest $9 billion in conjunction with TFG's plan. A more apt name would be Symbiotic Power, what with obammy and GEs noses up each others ass. A more apt name would be Sybian Power. For all of the people that are gonna get fucked...

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 04:58 AM (GjYxB)

293 #288

Since when do regional dialects get to be separate languages?

So... stupid.

Posted by: RiverC at July 01, 2013 04:59 AM (KTytI)

294 Bob “Pederast” Menendez will bring back UN Treaty that endangers US home schooling even though it has been defeated once already. This SOB needs to go NJ voters, he is much worse than Graham. This is the treaty on “rights for the disabled”.  Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 06:52 AM
========================================================

This treaty would give the UN control on how disabled people are treated in the United States. It also affects home schooling since many who home school do it because their children are disabled.
The big effing deal is that it gives the UN authority over our laws, this time on the disabled.. And parents of disabled children will also be controlled by the UN. 
That's why it's important.

Posted by: Deanna at July 01, 2013 04:59 AM (KNu5B)

295 Jeantel speaks "Black English." Really, why then do black people in England sound like white people in england. Uncle Tom's & cornball brotha's?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 05:00 AM (GjYxB)

296 >>> Because calling illiterate mumbling "Ebonics" just wasn't fucking stupid enough. I not Afcan 'Merrkin.

Posted by: Mayor Menino at July 01, 2013 05:00 AM (z9HTb)

297 Posted by: Deanna at July 01, 2013 08:59 AM (KNu5B) First: You embiggenated the thread. Second: It's long past time for the US to pull out of the UN. And kick them out of the US completely.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 05:01 AM (/PCJa)

298 I'm still waiting for the assholes in DC to address the fact that we are planning to aid the rebels who have a history of murdering Christians.

Posted by: waldo at July 01, 2013 05:02 AM (hc19V)

299 Because calling illiterate mumbling "Ebonics" just wasn't fucking stupid enough. Posted by: RoyalOil at July 01, 2013 08:57 AM (VjL9S) There's Ebonics. Then there's what she was speaking: Mumble.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 05:02 AM (X4HxX)

300 BTW - When does the farce trial begin today? Still the prosecution?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 05:02 AM (/PCJa)

301 300 BTW - When does the farce trial begin today? Still the prosecution? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 09:02 AM (/PCJa) Strike-throughs for everyone!!!

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 05:03 AM (X4HxX)

302 "Once a bill comes out of conference committee does it go to the president for signing into law, or does the reconciled new bill have to be voted on again in each chamber? " Is it an American bill or a Democrat bill?

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 01, 2013 05:03 AM (U2GJU)

303 Morning, Morons

Posted by: fluffy at July 01, 2013 05:04 AM (z9HTb)

304

BTW: Jeantel speaks "Black English."

 

Ah,   so      we're     allowed    to have different forms of English,   all of which are equally valid?    If I wrote a term paper using this    allegedly   valid   form of speech,      would I receive a passing grade    so long as I told the professor that I was using "black    english?"     Or would I be called a racist and tossed out on my ear?     


 

Sounds like "separate but equal" is making a comeback.    How nice.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 01, 2013 05:04 AM (4df7R)

305 Death knell for major TFG donor Patton Boggs? Seems they bit off more than they can chew. http://tinyurl.com/no425g6 ChevronÂ’s lead attorney, Randy M. Mastro — former mob prosecutor, Rudy Giuliani protege and head of litigation at Gibson, Dunn and Crutcher — retorted: “Your Honor, Mr. Tyrrell asks the question, would Patton Boggs be risking their reputation on these Ecuadoran plaintiffs. . . . The answer, unfortunately, from their own documents, is yes. The answer is: A firm getting a contingency fee on $18.2 billion will do a lot of things that shock the conscience. And what they did here shocks the conscience.”

Posted by: RWC at July 01, 2013 05:04 AM (fWAjv)

306 Must walk doggehs, Must start writing. Have a great day,

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 01, 2013 05:04 AM (XIxXP)

307 Keep in mind that these assholes are in direct violation of the laws of war and the Geneva Convention and thus can be shot. Posted by: Vic Sick. Isn't it? Conversely, our politicians have disavowed our own military whose rights according to the "old" laws of war and Geneva Convention are lost. Evidently, without a declaration of war, our own military personnel taken prisoner have no claim as prisoners of war, either. I was watching the "War Zone" documentary series produced after WWII that made our current state of affairs shocking. The USA has not declared war, and has through its interventionist advancement of wars via "policy", made itself the aggressor nation. For whatever reason, right or wrong, the US is behaving as the NAZI German Third Reich did, attacking nations without declarations of war, with expansionist motivations setting up puppet governments (without success, if stability were the point of involvement). The traditional US war policy and policy prosecuting war criminals after victory in 1945 would find the US today guilty. Sickening contrast. There is no logical thing as a war against a tactic. An illogical war has no means of reaching a victory unless such is self perpetuation of warfare, such as our current never-ending wars. When such a war-against-tactic "is" the tactic, that's insane. As the US advances terrorism globally for corporatist profit, spreading destabilization to create greater opportunity to exploit humanity, the guilt of warmongering must be recognized for all that it is. Alongside the sacrifice of humanity, include our own system of Constitutional Governance, our own sensibilities. Yes, brutality must be abutted. And until our own government functions constitutionally, we're in a self-defeating cycle of errors in judgment with no end in sight. At the moment, our own federal government officials, via authoritarian policy and comprehensive legislative reform packages, pose vastly greater immediate threats against the US citizenry than do foreign terrorists. But so long as we fall for the propaganda, we will continue as if the Third Reich. Immediately, US citizenry must prevent our politicians from throwing our military into Syria. As repeatedly explicated in The Air Force Magazine articles, "Syria Is Not Libya." Even if it were, our Air Force is currently without the necessities to carry out a repetition of its bombing flights as conducted in Libya. The only realistic expectation of our military engagement against Syria is a massive global FUBAR with worse outcomes for America than anyone will admit. It won't happen in one fell swoop, but Little Bighorn pride before the fall is definitely worth avoiding.

Posted by: panzernashorn at July 01, 2013 05:05 AM (MhA4j)

308 Looks like if you have the Platinum Membership, Pixy saves you from the barrel.

Posted by: fluffy at July 01, 2013 05:05 AM (z9HTb)

309 Then there's what she was speaking: Mumble. Boston City Government?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 05:05 AM (GjYxB)

310 298 Waldo,

"I'll get right on that as soon as I admit that we are aiding Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood, and the guys who hit the Beirut embassy..."


Bwahahaha

//Chaz Gibson

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 05:06 AM (LRFds)

311 Boston City Government? Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 09:05 AM (GjYxB) Just sayin'. I understand Black English. It's not hard to understand. I couldn't understand most of what Jeantel said.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 05:06 AM (X4HxX)

312 "give West a pass on Zimmerman. His opinion was about a month after it happened and everything he is relying his opinion on is wrong but was reported as fact by the media." As with his other 'gaffes,' this would speak to his credulity and wisdom. Who you listen to & believe matters.

Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at July 01, 2013 05:08 AM (bDqG/)

313 That's real retarded sir

Posted by: Thunderb at July 01, 2013 05:08 AM (zOTsN)

314 Strike-throughs for everyone!!! Ha! I caught it myself.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 05:08 AM (/PCJa)

315
07 42 10 56 96 53 67 50 82 64 41 42 88 17 03 79 40 86 35 88 52 19 05 67 03

Posted by: at July 01, 2013 05:09 AM (codCi)

316 "I wargame the absolute worst, most treacherous, and stupidly venal likely path that the GOP and Democrats would each desire and then move one step further towards "duh"...." .................................................................................................. Been doing the same for years. It gets depressing being right all the time.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at July 01, 2013 05:09 AM (PwV7G)

317 Morning all.... An FBI audio forensic witness is getting ready to testify at the Zimmerman trial. I thought the judge ruled this testimony wouldn't be allowed?

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 01, 2013 05:09 AM (X6akg)

318 313 ThunderB,

This immigration bill is real retarded, sir.

//Trey Gowdy

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 05:10 AM (LRFds)

319 306. Good idea. Later, all.

Posted by: panzernashorn at July 01, 2013 05:10 AM (MhA4j)

320 As with his other 'gaffes,' this would speak to his credulity and wisdom. Who you listen to & believe matters. True (though: what other 'gaffes'? Real question- I haven't paid as much attention to West as some of the other Morons). But I generally give a blanket pass on the Zimmerman Trial to people who haven't been paying attention. Now, once you've started paying attention, or once you've asserted your own ignorance and people have tried to put you some knowledge? Then you no longer get a pass. To still believe Zimmerman is guilty of anything (let alone murder) is stupid at that point.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 05:11 AM (/PCJa)

321 316 Rufus T Firefly,

It does, at least, grant you the knowledge you'll have made peace with the new order when others are aghast "it has come to this."

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 05:11 AM (LRFds)

322 Second: It's long past time for the US to pull out of the UN. And kick them out of the US completely. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 09:01 AM
=================================================

I agree.  But we haven't, so this could pass and we're stuck with it.

Posted by: Deanna at July 01, 2013 05:11 AM (KNu5B)

323 Computerworld - Infosys recently announced that it had won a $49.5 million contract to develop a health benefit exchange for the District of Columbia. That's one of the larger government contracts won by an offshore outsourcing firm, but it's unclear whether any of the work will be done overseas.

Posted by: Jared Loughner at July 01, 2013 05:12 AM (e8kgV)

324 "It in not the black child’s language that is in question, it is not his language that is despised: It is his experience.” -James Baldwin, If Black English Isn’t a Language, Then Tell Me, What Is?
===========
I wanted to give you the quote in all its retarded fucking glory.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 01, 2013 05:12 AM (VjL9S)

325

Linguists describe dialects, their words and grammar. They would say someone is speaking correct grammar for her dialect, rather than say she's using poor Standard English grammar.

 

It has nothing to do with social issues like needing to speak standard English for a job or while in court.

 

Mumbling and not being able to switch to a more standard dialect...those will set you back in life and it's not right to blame "speaking a dialect".

 

/linguistic soapbox mode off

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 01, 2013 05:14 AM (SUKHu)

326 Encryption was reported for 15 wiretaps in 2012 and for 7 wiretaps conducted during previous years. In four of these wiretaps, officials were unable to decipher the plain text of the messages. This is the first time that jurisdictions have reported that encryption prevented officials from obtaining the plain text of the communications since the AO began collecting encryption data in 2001.

Posted by: Blaise Pascal at July 01, 2013 05:14 AM (e8kgV)

327 Sounds like "separate but equal" is making a comeback. How nice. But now it is being applied correctly, you see.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 01, 2013 05:14 AM (1gdVS)

328 I've posted about this before, but not about the good news that Columbia River Crossing is dead. http://tinyurl.com/mupsmhw This was to be the new bridge across the Columbia river, between Portland and Vancouver WA. It was a flawed design and they were pushing light rail. Keep in mind this was stopped in the bluest of blue states. Two names shine: Jamie Huerra Beutler and David Madore. Jamie is the US Representative for the Vancouver area. David Madore is a businesman that was opposed to the project and ran for County Commissioner to oppose it. (Of course it also helped that WA state is out of money.) So take heart! There are still things that you can do to stop the beast.

Posted by: notsothoreau at July 01, 2013 05:15 AM (Lqy/e)

329 320 Allen G,

Pigford, NDAA, the renewal of the Patriot act

Granting SCOAMF more war powers

http://youtu.be/jdqzQSXbNg4

yeah West has yet to reflect on any of his positions on these issues.

Anyone heard him denounce the scope of Prism?

West's personality and dogged determination on the War is laudable, but I think the American people voted to lose the wars or rather allow the wars to morph into something I no longer recognize as our initial mission...

basically so long as any President is willing to move the little pieces around on the battle map the argument seems to be there is no such thing as a Bill of Rights anymore...

I really don't understand where we are, how we got here, or if the American people really grasp what's going on.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 05:17 AM (LRFds)

330 Unless Congress acts, interest rates for government subsidized student loans will double to 6.8% from 3.4% on July 1 (today). In May, House Republicans passed a bill that would index rates on new loans to the rate on 10-year Treasurys (currently about 2.6%), plus 2.5 percentage points, with an 8.5% cap. But with little Democratic support in the Senate, that bill is dead in the water.

Posted by: Francis Gary Powers at July 01, 2013 05:18 AM (e8kgV)

331 "It does, at least, grant you the knowledge you'll have made peace with the new order when others are aghast "it has come to this." .......................................... Ain't no peace to be made . My "bucket list" isn't a list of interesting things to do; it's a list of names.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at July 01, 2013 05:19 AM (PwV7G)

332 Posted by: RoyalOil at July 01, 2013 09:12 AM (VjL9S) I presume that's a book, and (having not read it) I can't tell you anything about it. However, the statement itself is not wrong on its face. Context is required. For instance (and Mama AJ pointed this out a little), in the 'hood, among others of her subculture (like it or not: it exists), she's probably easily understood. That's "how they talk." If you were to go down into the 'hood and try to talk to people like her in that environment, and then complained about her speech, you would be the one in the wrong- not her. Just as you would be the one in the wrong if you went to France and complained that everyone was speaking French. Or (for a more comparable example), if you went to Scotland and complained that you couldn't understand anyone because of their accents. On the other hand, it is incumbent upon the subculture to ensure that its members are also at least marginally fluent in the dominant language/dialect. So if she's dealing with the police, or her school, or the court, or any number of other things, and she still speaks like that, that's on her.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 05:19 AM (/PCJa)

333 to each his own, but I almost always tl;dr on panzernashorn posts. I've posted long ones, & not just calling long wrong, but OTOH sometimes I don't post a long thought here but on my own non-traffic'd site, to spare the short attention span horde. ("Get a blog!") I usually start out interested in what panz is saying, but then the ADHD starts in. It doesn't have to be Tweet-short, but a bit of long thought, and heavy-handed, time-consuming self-editing, can make for more concise & powerful points. Advice for all us sometimes too-wordy posters. Top ranters & storytellers excepted.

Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at July 01, 2013 05:21 AM (F3WsD)

334 Screw Obama ... Where are the J-O-B-S ?

Posted by: I'm no doctor, nor an actor at July 01, 2013 05:22 AM (e8kgV)

335 Ain't no peace to be made . My "bucket list" isn't a list of interesting things to do; it's a list of names.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at July 01, 2013 09:19 AM (PwV7G)

 

--- I bet  that is a long  fucking  list

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 01, 2013 05:22 AM (R8hU8)

336 "Or...if you went to Scotland and complained that you couldn't understand anyone because of their accents. " ---------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not convinced Scots can understand each other.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at July 01, 2013 05:22 AM (PwV7G)

337 Apparently Morsi has a 5pm Tuesday deadline to step down.  When does Gaylord leave Africa on Tuesday?

Assoc. Press tries to give a timeline stretching back to 2011 of this mess.  I guess history is not important to them for things like the MB being in Egypt before WWII or it being involved in the killing of Sadat.
http://tinyurl.com/l2xmsfo

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 01, 2013 05:23 AM (aB+tO)

338 but a bit of long thought, and heavy-handed, time-consuming self-editing, can make for more concise & powerful points.

...and by the time you finish, the Horde has completely abandoned the subject and is on to something else.  :\

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 01, 2013 05:24 AM (/kI1Q)

339 "It does, at least, grant you the knowledge you'll have made peace with the new order when others are aghast "it has come to this." .......................................... Ain't no peace to be made . My "bucket list" isn't a list of interesting things to do; it's a list of names. Amen. There will be payback.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 05:24 AM (GjYxB)

340 True story. The first job I had when I graduated from high school was a summer job with the U.S. Forest Service. I was with three other guys and a supervisor in the middle of a wilderness. We were the first responders to any fire in the Modoc National Forest in Northern California. No one ever called US "elite"

Posted by: franksalterego at July 01, 2013 05:24 AM (omVzF)

341 forfeited class fees for his little sister Hyacinth Cornelia Those parents deserve a beating.

Posted by: zsasz at July 01, 2013 05:25 AM (MMC8r)

342 Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 09:17 AM (LRFds) Ah, okay. So he's an uber-hawk. That does make it harder to "rah-rah" him all day long. But how we got here is easy- no one was willing to make hard decisions. Starting at least as far back as Vietnam (and possibly Korea), we were unwilling to "go for the jugular" in war. At the same time, people were unwilling to make hard decisions at home- or, at least, were unwilling to "do the hard thing." Part of Socialism's Siren call is that it's "easy." You don't have to lift a finger, you don't have to trouble yourself at all. On the military front, the "easy" choice is what's biting us in the ME. Iraq was reasonably successful as long as we stayed. Afghanistan has always been a mess. Don't get me started on Egypt and Libya. In the first two cases we had a legitimate National Security reason to go to war- but we then should have prosecuted those wars as wars. Kill people. Break things. Leave. But that would be "mean" and "inhumane," and no one at the top wanted to be the one to take that flak.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 05:26 AM (/PCJa)

343 Yes, America is allowed to lose a war if winning that war requires losing America.

America shouldn't lose wars like Vietnam because of stupid strategic decisions. However, if America goes into a war agreeing to strategic decisions that will certainly prevent it winning that war except by a f'in miracle, it pretty much deserves to lose.

At least in the Cold War days we could be honest about who our real enemy was. These days, it's the amorphous 'terror' monster! It could appear and strike anywhere, including within America!

Moral Equivalent of War Powers.

Posted by: RiverC at July 01, 2013 05:27 AM (KTytI)

344 I'm not convinced Scots can understand each other. That may be a fair statement.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 05:27 AM (/PCJa)

345 Those parents deserve a beating.

Ya lol stoopid

Posted by: LaQuand'a at July 01, 2013 05:28 AM (/kI1Q)

346 For instance (and Mama AJ pointed this out a little), in the 'hood, among others of her subculture (like it or not: it exists), she's probably easily understood. That's "how they talk." If you were to go down into the 'hood and try to talk to people like her in that environment, and then complained about her speech, you would be the one in the wrong- not her. ======== So if I were to go back 40-50 years, would I hear blacks 'in the hood' speak this way?

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 01, 2013 05:28 AM (X6akg)

347 On a completely different note: Who sends birthday invitations to friends (to whom you haven't spoken in 2+ years) in Texas for your 1 year old child in Washington, DC? I mean, I guess I could see an "announcement" (though that seems a little fru-fru for me), but an actual invitation?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 05:29 AM (/PCJa)

348 So if I were to go back 40-50 years, would I hear blacks 'in the hood' speak this way? Posted by: Tami at July 01, 2013 09:28 AM (X6akg) Go back another 500, no one would speak the way we do.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 05:29 AM (X4HxX)

349

Yes, ridiculous Anna, as I pointed out yesterday, had Suez succeeded it would have empowered the Ilkwan,  Said Ramadan, son of the founder, had established connections to the the US, and the UK,  Quaradawi, still kicking at 87, the Khomeini of the effort, is tied to everything from the Sadat fatwa to the Tsarnaev's and the Syrian rebels.

As for West, I give him a pass on the timeline, I'm down here, and it took months to establish basic details.

Posted by: admiral layton at July 01, 2013 05:29 AM (2kpL8)

350 #339

Same. Begin swapping out 'Visit the Giza Pyramids' with more meaningful items.

Posted by: RiverC at July 01, 2013 05:30 AM (KTytI)

351 Go back another 500, no one would speak the way we do. Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 09:29 AM (X4HxX) True....but it progressed forward to a more comprehensible expression, not backwards.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 01, 2013 05:30 AM (X6akg)

352 by the time you finish, the Horde has completely abandoned the subject and is on to something else. :\ -- HeatherRadish™ Yup. Always. Another natural incentive to keeping it short, simple, or shutup.

Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at July 01, 2013 05:31 AM (kUq7A)

353 I really don't understand where we are, how we got here, or if the American people really grasp what's going on. Whether people grasp it or not, your "in uncharted territory" mood seems dominant. Richard Jeni used to do a bit about how you could end any party--no matter how wild--by playing "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald." Discussing politics or just current events nowadays has the same effect.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at July 01, 2013 05:31 AM (V3kRK)

354 Dialects don't have morality, they have utility. I use standard English because it's useful.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 05:31 AM (X4HxX)

355 zsasz, people who give all their children the same initials...  that just says something is a bit off with the parents.  And with a name like theirs, why draw attention?  But it is descriptive.  Their next daughter will be named Watercrest and son Long Island.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 01, 2013 05:31 AM (aB+tO)

356 RE: dialects

Not all dialects are created equal. Anyone who says that if someone is speaking incomprehensibly, they are not speaking a dialect but speaking improperly I give you...

Cockney.

Might as well face it, some dialects are MEANT to be incomprehensible to outsiders.

Posted by: RiverC at July 01, 2013 05:31 AM (KTytI)

357 So if I were to go back 40-50 years, would I hear blacks 'in the hood' speak this way? You'd hear the beginnings of it, yes. Go back and read Chaucer in the Old English. We would be incomprehensible to him today. Similarly, he'd be incomprehensible to us. Languages that people actually speak are "living languages" and they will constantly develop new dialects and even spin off whole new languages quite organically. Remember that Spanish, French, Portuguese, and Italian all have their roots in Latin. At some point, those were all different dialects based largely on geography and culture.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 05:32 AM (/PCJa)

358 True....but it progressed forward to a more comprehensible expression, not backwards. Posted by: Tami at July 01, 2013 09:30 AM (X6akg) Sorry going to have to disagree with you there. Languages haven't been getting more efficient or "better", except in the sense that a culture's words reflect it's ideals.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 05:33 AM (X4HxX)

359

Damn I wish he had not voted for that Pigford shit.

 

Vic, it wasn't just Pigford, but he went ALL IN for NDAA, has voted for Obamacare funding and had less-than-stellar votes for wasteful spending.  It's worrisome that people latch on to these guys like they did Rubio, and then they turn out to have feet of clay -- or worse.  Same with Rand Paul.  He voted for three of the worst confirmations ever.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 01, 2013 05:33 AM (qkZxk)

360

>>So if I were to go back 40-50 years, would I hear blacks 'in the hood' speak this way?

 

Uhhh.

 

I studied Linguini back in the 80s (before I went low carb, don't ya know) and have forgotten much of it...

 

I'm sure it's changed, like all language. It's got roots in Southern American English and Creole, so it didn't just develop recently.

 

Ummm. That's all I got before breakfast and moar coffee.

 

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 01, 2013 05:35 AM (SUKHu)

361 The leftwing regressives are all hot and bothered and eager to leap on the "Defend     Rachel   Jeantel!" bandwagon,   and it's disgusting.       They're quick to point out that she has     Creole in her background, to which my response is, "So the fuck what?   Lots of people do."       Trust me, her inability to enunciate,   let alone read something as basic as cursive handwriting, has nothing to do with her being of Creole ancestry.   It has jackshit to do with her being black either.      It has to do with her having a public school education that has permitted her to grow    into a slow-witted     dullard,    and parents    (assuming she's got more than one in her life)     who have never taught her how to act in public.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 01, 2013 05:35 AM (4df7R)

362 Even calling Portuguese and French Latin or Romance languages is a stretch because of how far they have drifted.  Italian and Spanish are still so close enough I get them confused when speaking either language.  With French, never get confused because the local Celts have thoroughly corrupted that language.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 01, 2013 05:36 AM (aB+tO)

363 336 I'm not convinced Scots can understand each other. Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at July 01, 2013 09:22 AM (PwV7G) I lived there. They can't when they get out of their own village and go to a different pub.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 01, 2013 05:37 AM (U838B)

364 True....but it progressed forward to a more comprehensible expression, not backwards. Not comprehensible to people back then. It's more comprehensible to you because you've spoken it all your life. But we make fun of it in other situations, too. About half of the jokes in the Redneck Comedy Tour were about the fact (or a result of it) that Southerners (especially from the "deep south") speak very differently than people on the East or West coasts. Like I said, take a vacation in Scotland. They speak "The Queen's English" in theory, but most Americans (per a Scottish friend of my wife) only seem able to understand every third word or so. The English don't fare particularly better with their Scot neighbors. And don't the Scots started on the Welsh. No, she should not have been speaking in that manner in the courtroom. That is a massive failure on her part, on the part of her parents, and the part of her teachers. But to claim that it's not *ever* a legitimate way for her to speak just ignores linguistic differences we take for granted.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 05:37 AM (/PCJa)

365

>>Dialects don't have morality, they have utility.

 

Linguistically, yes.

 

Socially...it's much more complicated.

 

Someone might choose to use their dialect in a formal setting to make a point.

 

Someone who hasn't been taught the standard dialect has been failed by her schools.

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 01, 2013 05:39 AM (SUKHu)

366 Trust me, her inability to enunciate, let alone read something as basic as cursive handwriting SHE WROTE... Fixed for accuracy. Hell, even if you CAN'T read cursive, if you WROTE it, you SHOULD be able to fake it.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 05:40 AM (GjYxB)

367 Even calling Portuguese and French Latin or Romance languages is a stretch because of how far they have drifted. True. Now. And that's the point, really. At one point all of those languages were the same one. What this "dialect" issue really says is one about cultural division, not one about her speech at all. The balkanization of the US has started (started long ago really), and it will either be halted, or (among other things) we'll all be speaking different languages in the next 50 - 100 years (give or take a few decades).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 05:40 AM (/PCJa)

368 "Is Kennedy Gay?" Don't know...would not be a shocker. Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 01, 2013 07:19 AM (LRFds) Back in Kennedy's time they called it a commited bachelor. does he wear an ascot and drink Brandy Alexanders...Wants the gang on the court to put on a show... perhaps Gilbert and Sullivan?

Posted by: I.C. Yurhini at July 01, 2013 05:41 AM (F0yGz)

369 " I'd be interested to know if the Left has similar variation."

Easy answer. No. Not on ideological matters, where they are far more in lockstep than is the right. Where there are divisions, it is in the conflict of interests, a growth area as more and more demand special favors. But there is very little diversity of ideas.

Posted by: George LeS at July 01, 2013 05:41 AM (XBcJN)

370 "I cannae kin." Scottish for "I don't understand."

Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 01, 2013 05:42 AM (U838B)

371 Dialects and linguistic drift arise from isolation.  So how, in this era of mass communications, can such dialects even arise?  Only by conscious effort.  To be separate.  Does some powerbase want to keep their constituents distinct? 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 01, 2013 05:42 AM (aB+tO)

372 Sorry going to have to disagree with you there. Languages haven't been getting more efficient or "better", except in the sense that a culture's words reflect it's ideals. Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 01, 2013 09:33 AM (X4HxX) Dr. Carson was raised 'in the hood'....does he speak the same as Rachel Jeantel? If not....what's the difference? Clarence Thomas was raised in black poverty....does he speak the same as Rachel Jeantel? I could come up with 100's examples.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 01, 2013 05:43 AM (X6akg)

373 No, she should not have been speaking in that manner in the courtroom. That is a massive failure on her part, on the part of her parents, and the part of her teachers. But to claim that it's not *ever* a legitimate way for her to speak just ignores linguistic differences we take for granted.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 01, 2013 09:37 AM (/PCJa)

 

 

Exactly.    All of us have ways of speaking   that vary depending on the audience.   With friends and family we use far looser language and more familiar expressions.      Hell,   just try explaining  half the memes     here at the HQ alone to anyone who's not familiar with the place and you'll find yourself in   trouble.    

 

But we all also know that, when we're in a social or public setting,   there are standards of speech and behavior that    should be followed.   We adapt our behavior to those standards.   A southerner is always going to sound like a southerner, and a New Englander is always going to sound like a New Englander, but we all try to make ourselves understood when we're in mixed company.    That     Rachel   Jeantel could not even be bothered to do that while TESTIFYING IN COURT    is   an enormous reflection on her character and the character of those    who   (allegedly) raised and educated her.   

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 01, 2013 05:43 AM (4df7R)

374 Nothing wrong with dialects. Even for Haitian-inflected ebonia, not a problem. If it's too non-standard, get a translator. But with Ms Mumbles, you need to get an earhorn. Mom attended a funeral over in SW Arkansas. Friend of the deceased gave a eulogy of which Mom said she couldn't understand a word. Not mumbling. Just that peculiar Arkansan accent, cadence, and idioms.

Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at July 01, 2013 05:44 AM (rf20m)

375 Read some Bill Bryson on language drift. Southern American English is closer to 1800's true English than what is spoken in the UK today.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 01, 2013 05:45 AM (U838B)

376 Fixed for accuracy. Hell, even if you CAN'T read cursive, if you WROTE it, you SHOULD be able to fake it. Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2013 09:40 AM (GjYxB) She didn't write it....a friend did.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 01, 2013 05:45 AM (X6akg)

377 I agree. But we haven't, so this could pass and we're stuck with it.

Posted by: Deanna at July 01, 2013 09:11 AM (KNu5B)



Hopefully if the Senate does ratify it because the RINOs sell us out some Home School org will sue and take it to SCOTUS because it IS blatantly unconstitutional. But even there, I have no confidence in this court.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2013 05:46 AM (lZvxr)

378 Someone who hasn't been taught the standard dialect has been failed by her schools.

Schools won't teach standard dialect because it's raaaaacist.

I could come up with 100's examples.

You need examples who are 19 years old; Ben Carson and Clarence Thomas grew up on a totally different planet than Ms. Jeantel.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 01, 2013 05:46 AM (/kI1Q)

379 Hey AllenG, did you get further datum on your question on being a published creative type?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 01, 2013 05:47 AM (aB+tO)

380 new news dump thread comment slots going fast, get yours before tbeyre all gone

Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at July 01, 2013 05:48 AM (rf20m)

381

>>SW Arkansas.

 

(waves from NW Louisiana)

 

Yep.

 

>>A southerner is always going to sound like a southerner, and a New Englander is always going to sound like a New Englander, but we all try to make ourselves understood when we're in mixed company.

 

Many people make the effort to stop speaking their native dialect.

 

I know a couple guys from South Philly who only sound like they're from South Philly when they're yelling at the Iggles.

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 01, 2013 05:49 AM (SUKHu)

382 And weatherwise, it's supposed to be 98 today, with about 50% humidity. It is not supposed to be this hot in the PNW.

Posted by: notsothoreau at July 01, 2013 05:49 AM (Lqy/e)

383 Sounds like "separate but equal" is making a comeback. How nice. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea
---------------------------

Just when you think Ebonics has finally laid down to die, the race-baiters breathe fresh life into it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 01, 2013 05:50 AM (aDwsi)

384 Dr. Condoleezza Rice came out of segregationist Birmingham, AL.  If a culture or sub-culture truly valued success, she would be an example.  Except we have a political sub-culture see's her success as mortal threat to their pet views, hence she has to be destroyed since they value orthodoxy over measured success

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 01, 2013 05:51 AM (aB+tO)

385
   Yes, short consideration, no long posts and move to the next target.

    Seems to be the norm lately.

    Very discouraging, seeing the immediate condemnation of worthwhile pols for some votes cast.

      Agree with that or flame me, means fuck all right now.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 01, 2013 06:02 AM (SAMxH)

386 "What this "dialect" issue really says is one about cultural division, not one about her speech at all. The balkanization of the US has started (started long ago really),...." --------------------------------------------------------------------- If you had travelled around the US, or served in the military, before the interstate highway system was complete, you'd know US English is way more uniform than in past generations. Ghetto English is IMHO an expression of separtist sentiment. It changes about as fast as white pepole seem to get a handle on it. Remember the movie "Airplane" with the black guys jive talkin' with subtitles underneath? It has always been thus.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at July 01, 2013 06:15 AM (PwV7G)

387 The Libertarian Purity Test was/is stupid and pointless, and not a "test" in any serious way. Removing important context neither adds purity nor removes impurities; it CAN'T, given that the "impurities" are the complexity, the context and the facts of actually living life on a living planet alongside 7 billion other closely-related top predators with individual and competing agendas. The usefulness of libertarianism -- and it's beyond merely useful -- isn't that it's ever capable of emerging as any sort of governing view, because it's not about governance, rather it's about the opposite. It's usefulness is very much like the thought experiments that led to the importantly deeper understanding of quantum reality (which is, after all, the only true "reality" that exists; everything else is emergence, perception and illusion). But that value simply cannot be realized on 'gross' scale filled with platitudinous false choices. To validate the resort to libertarianism, you have to have an appreciation of the facts that's as finely-gauged as possible. That, for example, is how Scalia was able to attract the support of Kagan and other liberal (that is to say, 'realist') fellow SCOTUS members: he took a case involving technocratic intrusion and used libertarianism as a TOOL to reduce the nature of the intrusion to something that captured the actual impact on the individual. None of that's possible with grossly-smoothed-out choices; it distorts reality beyond the ability of libertarianism to be of any use as a tool.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at July 01, 2013 06:28 AM (w45V0)

388 231 Apparently I can be bought -- and at a surprisingly affordable price.

Yeah, I'm kind of lost here. We're supposed to boycott a company for making donations to anti-hunger programs...because the government feeds people so these programs aren't necessary? Isn't that kind of the opposite of what most of us believe (that private individuals/groups should be engaged in charity and the government programs are just extortion/voting-bloc payoffs)?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking coffee at July 01, 2013 08:28 AM (hO8IJ)

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too late for this to matter, but I don't support any company who advertises in the spanish language in America on a non latino channel.

Posted by: gracepmc at July 01, 2013 07:24 AM (rznx3)

389 One less wacko walks the earth:

http://tinyurl.com/nvhzatg

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at July 01, 2013 08:45 AM (baL2B)

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