July 02, 2013
— Gabriel Malor Happy Tuesday.
Ed Snowden continues to make threats. On the other hand, he's managed to piss off Ecuadoran president Rafael Correa.
You may have seen a news story on NSA spying that was posted very briefly over the weekend at UK's the Guardian and its sister site, the Observer. The claim was that several European countries were spying for the NSA. (The inverse of this story -- the NSA was spying on several European countries -- actually turned out to be true.) Here's the "Anatomy of a Fake 'Observer' Story" explaining how the Guardian went wrong.
Whoops. Massachusetts officials have realized that Obamacare will cause “extreme premium increases” (their words) in Massachusetts, so they're seeking a waiver from the "affordable care" law.
I wrote a bit yesterday on Twitter about the 20-week abortion ban debate and theatrics down in Texas. My advice to folks talking about this is to use "six months" instead of "20 weeks." Emphasize the familiar: we all know what six months of pregnancy looks like. Banning abortions after 20 weeks means banning abortions inside the sixth month. 20 weeks is almost clinical and nobody really thinks in those terms, anyway.
We all have an instinctive feel for two weeks' time, four weeks' time, maybe even six weeks' time. But after that, most people think in terms of months. And, as I said, everybody knows what six months of pregnancy looks like. There's no way to make the usual intellectual dodge -- "it's just a clump of cells" work at that point. Not even close.
By six months, the baby and mother, if they're receiving standard care, will have had at least two ultrasounds. The baby's organs and limbs will have been inspected. The little sucker will have been moving about for a while. The mother, if she's not a monster, (and hopefully the father, too) will have listened to the heartbeat. All that comes before the Wendy Davises of the world say that you should be able to kill that baby for any reason or no reason at all.
I get that for medical and legal purposes, using 20 weeks is necessary. For purposes of communicating what 20 weeks is, I think we get further by reminding folks as often as possible just what pregnancy after 20 weeks looks like.
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Posted by: Jay in PA at July 02, 2013 02:55 AM (WSgyE)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2013 02:56 AM (+98Gb)
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Posted by: blaster at July 02, 2013 02:58 AM (c28BI)
abortion
gay lifestyle
Christianity
especially if your intent is to bait conservatives
then bury their comments with an army of liberal trolls.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 02, 2013 02:59 AM (FR9Y9)
Posted by: Jay in PA at July 02, 2013 02:59 AM (WSgyE)
Posted by: blaster at July 02, 2013 03:00 AM (c28BI)
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2013 03:01 AM (+98Gb)
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Posted by: chi-town jerry at July 02, 2013 03:01 AM (n0QX0)
Posted by: reality man at July 02, 2013 03:02 AM (L2x1w)
Posted by: blaster at July 02, 2013 03:02 AM (c28BI)
Posted by: dogfish at July 02, 2013 03:02 AM (Wj786)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2013 03:03 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: blaster at July 02, 2013 03:03 AM (c28BI)
Posted by: Jay in PA at July 02, 2013 03:05 AM (WSgyE)
Posted by: Darth Randall at July 02, 2013 03:06 AM (mV8sg)
Posted by: Jay in PA at July 02, 2013 03:06 AM (WSgyE)
With leaders like these, you don't need Democrats.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2013 07:01 AM (+98Gb)
Remember the cheating Keating "Gang of Five"? He was in bed with the Dems back then as well!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 02, 2013 03:07 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: blaster at July 02, 2013 06:58 AM (c28BI)
On noes, that would possibly be offensive! We can't use a message that has not been approved by our legal staff and is perfectly correct in every tiny little detail!
Posted by: Karl Rover at July 02, 2013 03:09 AM (Cnqmv)
>>>20 vs 6--math be hard
After 20 weeks, folks. That's inside the sixth month. English be hard.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at July 02, 2013 03:09 AM (jZUEZ)
Posted by: drawandstrike at July 02, 2013 03:10 AM (dvGFG)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 02, 2013 03:10 AM (5NOhe)
Posted by: blaster at July 02, 2013 03:11 AM (c28BI)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2013 03:11 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 03:12 AM (hc19V)
Yes, and Choom Boy, the race-baiters and white-guilters would have had to find some other capital-V Victim to turn into their poster boy of the moment.
If Traytable hadn't existed, they would have had to invent him. Come to think of it, that's what they are doing.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 02, 2013 03:12 AM (/RIVS)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 03:12 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at July 02, 2013 07:09 AM (jZUEZ)
Ah yes, the weasel words begin! When inside the sixth month? Why not after five months to get a clear unambiguous cutoff? Same argument could be made for after six months.
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 02, 2013 03:12 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 02, 2013 03:13 AM (5NOhe)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2013 03:14 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: blaster at July 02, 2013 03:14 AM (c28BI)
Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 03:15 AM (hc19V)
Ah yes, the weasel words begin!
Oh, FFS. What part of "Banning abortions after 20 weeks means banning abortions inside the sixth month." Is hard for you to comprehend?
20 full weeks is 5 months, inclusive. Which means abortions after that point are taking place in the 6th month after pregnancy begins. This is not a difficult concept.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at July 02, 2013 03:16 AM (jZUEZ)
Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 03:17 AM (hc19V)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 02, 2013 03:17 AM (azHfB)
Posted by: blaster at July 02, 2013 03:17 AM (c28BI)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2013 03:19 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: drawandstrike at July 02, 2013 03:19 AM (dvGFG)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 02, 2013 03:19 AM (azHfB)
Posted by: mugiwara at July 02, 2013 03:20 AM (hpYnL)
For non-lawyers, it seems that after five months is unambiguous and correlates to a 20 week end date. "Inside" six months seems to still allow a window of opportunity somewhere between 20 weeks and 24 weeks.
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 02, 2013 03:20 AM (Cnqmv)
And this. Barbie doll Wendy Davis would have killed Trayvon in the womb.
Posted by: blaster at July 02, 2013 07:14 AM (c28BI)
Moar please. "So, Congresswoman Davis, do you believe Trayvon Martin's death is a tragedy, and someone should be held accountable? [Inevitable yes follows.] How many Trayvon Martins die every year just in your district because of the anti-child policies that you embrace? Are you aware that abortion disproportionately affects minorities? Have you always been a racist?"
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 03:20 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2013 03:21 AM (+98Gb)
Well, here's some perspective on the 20 weeks/6 months thing and the libtards claiming the "clump of cells" bullshit -- *I* was born 3 months premature at right around 6 months. Mom was due February 11th, I was born November 2nd, do the math. If the libs want to claim that it's not a person at that point, they can damn well bite me, the bastards. I made it, at a crappy, little, country hospital out in the boonies, and that was almost 45 years ago. Medical science is far and away much better, now.
Posted by: Miller at July 02, 2013 03:22 AM (tf/3+)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2013 03:22 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at July 02, 2013 03:23 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: DangerGirl, getting angrier by the day at July 02, 2013 03:24 AM (jNNPU)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 02, 2013 03:24 AM (a5ljo)
Hello, Supreme Court? Isn't this a tax? Yeah, OK then, kinda not fair one state gets a waiver on a tax while another doesn't isn't it? Wanna help us out here? What's with the sly grin, Roberts, you-
...oh you sneaky bastard. Was this what you had in mind all along? Can't levy a tax against one state and not another?
Well, while you're drawing up the opinions striking down all that bullshit, let's talk waivers for Gay Marriage.
It's a tax, you know.
Posted by: SGT. York at July 02, 2013 03:24 AM (bsHUl)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 03:24 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2013 03:25 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Anthony L. at July 02, 2013 03:25 AM (bl6Iq)
Glendale joins dozens of cities across California that have enacted a plastic bag ban, including San Jose, Pasadena and in unincorporated areas of Los Angeles County.
Monday marked the first phase of GlendaleÂ’s ban, which impacted large grocers, farmerÂ’s markets and stores of at least 10,000 square feet of retail space with a licensed pharmacy.
On Jan. 1, the ban will extend to small grocers, food markets, liquor stores, convenience stores, drug stores and pharmacies. That same day, single-use plastic bags are slated to be out of large grocers in the city of Los Angeles, where the ban will also gradually start affecting smaller retailers.
This state both sucks and blows.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2013 03:26 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: kreplach at July 02, 2013 03:26 AM (CofEF)
20 weeks x 7 days = 140 days
140 days / 30 days = 4.6 months.
Of the Obs/Gyns I've met, they consider 22 weeks or later viable.
Posted by: Darth Randall at July 02, 2013 03:27 AM (mV8sg)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2013 03:27 AM (+98Gb)
So, NO, you're compromise would encompass children who could live outside a woman's body and thus should be accorded human rights.
The abortion extremists would squawk (and have) at ANY restriction. Even to provide safe medical treatment (they've done that too.)
So the compromise would achieve nothing.
It's a game of inches not feet and the viability of the child should be the guiding rule. I think they should incorporate an acceptance of the Plan B pill and other concessions as far as contraception to take away any excuses that abortion was needed due to inadequate contraception.
I have to laugh at the lefty abortion extremist saying that politicians were only playing politics with abortion for their careers.
And what is SHE DOING?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at July 02, 2013 03:29 AM (28TG+)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 02, 2013 03:29 AM (5NOhe)
64 Gabe is absolutely right on this, absolutely right!
Pro-life life supporters should henceforth adopt a month structure instead of weeks when talking about abortion after the first month.
Saying a women should be able to abort a baby in circumstances that are not life threatening In the sixth month of pregnancy is not a supportable position.
It's not morally defensible, but that won't stop them, never has in 40+ years.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 03:29 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at July 02, 2013 03:31 AM (MnSla)
Posted by: Case at July 02, 2013 03:34 AM (9mWut)
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 02, 2013 03:34 AM (I0SQj)
Founders of Bebo buy back failed social network for $1m after selling it to AOL for $850m five years ago and want to 're-invent it just for fun'.
Michael Birch and his wife, Xochi, netted some $600 million from the sale but the business crumbled shortly after the acquisition thanks to AOL's mismanagement and the rise of Facebook.
DailyMail
Saaaa-lute!
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2013 03:34 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 03:35 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 02, 2013 03:35 AM (5NOhe)
Posted by: DangerGirl, getting angrier by the day at July 02, 2013 03:35 AM (z+Xap)
I am leaning towards the Someone wants us to learn an important lesson theory.
Posted by: Miss Marple at July 02, 2013 03:36 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at July 02, 2013 03:38 AM (MnSla)
Posted by: zsasz at July 02, 2013 03:39 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 07:35 AM (sQ0LB)
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And this is why America has a higher infant mortality rate than Europe. They don't consider anything viable under 26 weeks, and hence any premies before that point aren't counted in their mortality rates.
Posted by: Darth Randall at July 02, 2013 03:39 AM (mV8sg)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 03:40 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: kreplach at July 02, 2013 03:41 AM (Ttj5v)
Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at July 02, 2013 03:42 AM (U2UQk)
Posted by: dogfish at July 02, 2013 03:43 AM (Wj786)
Posted by: Case at July 02, 2013 07:34 AM (9mWut)
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yeah, what happened to equal protection and all that? Besides, the majority of those Massholes voted for Obama so they should get to experience what they voted for.
Posted by: Darth Randall at July 02, 2013 03:45 AM (mV8sg)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 03:45 AM (sQ0LB)
1. Weeks are better because they are even. When we say '6 months' we don't mean real months, we mean ideal months which are usually set at 30 days.
2. Full term is marked by weeks and not by months; nine months is approximate. Full term is 38 weeks, though as I understand the due date is considered to be 40 weeks after conception.
3. A week is 7 days, a 'month', 30. 7*20 = 140. 140/30 = 4.33. Thus Gabe is wrong, 20 weeks is within the fifth month (since 0-1 is the first month).
Gabe, is math that hard?
Posted by: RiverC at July 02, 2013 03:46 AM (KTytI)
Saw this at Drudge
Dem resolution would let 'mobile Congress' cast votes from home
http://tinyurl.com/lk4q49s
I actually think this might be a good thing in that it puts them where they will be near us. Think of how often you bitch about them ignoring the people they work for while sitting in DC.
Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at July 02, 2013 03:47 AM (MnSla)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2013 03:48 AM (+98Gb)
Posted by: RiverC at July 02, 2013 03:49 AM (KTytI)
It's the democrats....they'd run overseas to their little castles and never be near enough to ask questions to their face.
It's a theme parek, a THEME PARK!
Soylent Red, White, and Blue turn us into a theme park!
//C Heston
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 03:50 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 02, 2013 03:51 AM (w8v/8)
Posted by: RiverC at July 02, 2013 03:53 AM (KTytI)
IF MEAT/FUR IS MURDER
THEN
ABORTION IS MURDER!
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 02, 2013 07:51 AM (w8v/
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Excellent. No wonder you are in the Stiletto Corsettes.
Posted by: Darth Randall at July 02, 2013 03:53 AM (mV8sg)
Posted by: panzernashorn at July 02, 2013 03:53 AM (MhA4j)
Obama is .....somewhere, who knows, doing something, unremarkable, unreported. Will he be back to celebrate July 4th? Do we care?
Snowden's dream is turning into a nightmare for him. Odd how that works out.
...and it's 42 degrees this a.m. and sunny. . . and I'll have to throw out six large jars of out of date peanut butter...wonder if the bear will eat it? or should I take it back to Walmart and claim they sold out of date product.
At this point, what difference does it make?
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 02, 2013 03:54 AM (1sEQ4)
Posted by: kreplach at July 02, 2013 03:55 AM (BNuW6)
1) the St Drank Tray Family Atty thinks he's running the prosecution
2) the prosecution thus far is running the defense
3) the defense is creating the the foundation for ironclad appeals if need be
It's bronze beanie time again
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 03:55 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 03:56 AM (sQ0LB)
Six months is about 24 weeks.
When a woman is pregnant, the weeks measure is more accurate.
I know this because we've been through it twice. Knowing what trimester you're in (the 'months') is somewhat approximate. But the weeks is pretty precise.
To base a law on the trimester is absurd and is just like the stupidity with gun control laws talking about 'assault' weapons.
Posted by: RiverC at July 02, 2013 03:57 AM (KTytI)
and I managed to misspell "Steel"...
I'm gonna run wife to the Doc's and stare at a wall for a bit
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 03:57 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: RiverC at July 02, 2013 03:59 AM (KTytI)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 02, 2013 03:59 AM (X4HxX)
Posted by: kreplach at July 02, 2013 07:55 AM (BNuW6)
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Yes, because when you go forth to fight the pro-abortion faction, they won't try to change the subject from the death of a small, unborn human to the fact that pro-lifers can't figure out that 20 weeks is not 6 months.
Posted by: Darth Randall at July 02, 2013 03:59 AM (mV8sg)
RiverC at July 02, 2013 07:57 AM (KTytI)
I believe the "six months" formulation is for Pro Life people to use on talking head shows and in selling the message, not in actually creating the law. Gotta say, telling people that this Davis person is standing up for hours for the "right" to kill a baby who will be born in three months is a pretty powerful image.
Posted by: @JohnTant at July 02, 2013 03:59 AM (eytER)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 04:00 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: dogfish at July 02, 2013 04:00 AM (Wj786)
Posted by: panzernashorn at July 02, 2013 04:01 AM (MhA4j)
93 Esteban10077@sven10077
I know the idea is being proposed by a Dem, but the idea could be hijacked and a provision added that the process would only be allowed if they were in their home district. No vote from outside their states or from outside their states. Make them use a dedicated and secure computer.
Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at July 02, 2013 04:01 AM (MnSla)
Posted by: dogfish at July 02, 2013 08:00 AM (Wj786)
F*ck those French proto-fascists. Hang posters of it from every overpass leading to DC.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 04:01 AM (sQ0LB)
Trust me everyone prefers me in "sober" mode...
I can hallucinate just by letting my mind wander a bit or by headbutting a tree for 10 minutes.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 04:02 AM (LRFds)
I know the idea is being proposed by a Dem, but the idea could be hijacked and a provision added that the process would only be allowed if they were in their home district. No vote from outside their states or from outside their states. Make them use a dedicated and secure computer.
Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at July 02, 2013 08:01 AM (MnSla
That's actually a really good idea Joe. But, you know, stupid party.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 04:03 AM (sQ0LB)
C Span dries up as a tool, in doing so the bastards are less trackable on their actions.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 04:03 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at July 02, 2013 04:04 AM (ial2b)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 04:05 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: Vendette, half Canuck at July 02, 2013 04:05 AM (d+fT0)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 07:45 AM (sQ0LB)
The sad thing is that it's one of the more intelligent things the eternal First Child has ever said.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 02, 2013 04:05 AM (I0SQj)
Posted by: Holly at July 02, 2013 04:06 AM (fcHDi)
Posted by: ZombieDachshund at July 02, 2013 04:06 AM (xFoxa)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 02, 2013 04:07 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: kreplach at July 02, 2013 04:08 AM (UjSt7)
The problem is, 20 weeks IS NOT 6 months. People have been arguing this abortion stuff since before many of you were born, so it matters. If your argument starts with a factual inaccuracy, your opponents will exploit it.
And frankly, some people just have to always be right, and can't admit when they are wrong. It's a character flaw.
If you mean 5 months, say 5 months. Problem solved.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 02, 2013 04:08 AM (BeSEI)
Also having them distributed makes it more alluring to try to engage in nefarious hijinks...
I'd really rather not have political brushfire wars take on a literal domestic meaning.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 04:09 AM (LRFds)
Gabe has the right general idea, but the specifics do matter. Even if you say abortion should be illegal "after the start of the 6th month", that's still 22 or 23 weeks. The threshold, imho, should be 20 weeks or the medically accepted threshold of viability, whichever comes first--that way we don't have to rewrite the law in another 10-15 years to account for advances. When Roe v. Wade was handed down, an infant born before 27 weeks who survived was a genuine miracle, but that's not the case any more.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 04:09 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 02, 2013 04:10 AM (JDIKC)
Posted by: toby928© at July 02, 2013 04:10 AM (QupBk)
I actually think this might be a good thing......
Posted by: Joethefatman
Virtually every law passed is another restriction on our actions, another burden on our future.
How about we don't make it easier on them to pack on even more?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2013 04:10 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 02, 2013 04:10 AM (05NCS)
Use the phrase "supports the killing of babies approaching their sixth month."
Problem solved. You are welcome.
Posted by: Miss Marple at July 02, 2013 04:11 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Johnnyreb at July 02, 2013 04:11 AM (6McTJ)
Posted by: Anthony L. at July 02, 2013 04:11 AM (bl6Iq)
Posted by: blaster at July 02, 2013 04:11 AM (c28BI)
Posted by: UWP at July 02, 2013 04:12 AM (r98SZ)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 04:12 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: blaster at July 02, 2013 04:13 AM (c28BI)
Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 04:13 AM (hc19V)
Posted by: real joe at July 02, 2013 04:13 AM (PD2ad)
But now I have to walk the dog and read the e-mail from my BIL bragging about the bear he shot on his farm in Oregon.
Later folks.
Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at July 02, 2013 04:14 AM (MnSla)
Posted by: blaster at July 02, 2013 04:14 AM (c28BI)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 04:14 AM (sQ0LB)
Student loan rate doubles from 3.4 to 6.8%. How much you wanna bet that the politicians are gonna fall all over each other to make sure that Snowflake, with her worthless $100k philosophy degree gets to default, credit score untouched?
.
The increased rate is only for new loans. Older loans keep the rate they signed up for.
Posted by: Johnnyreb at July 02, 2013 04:15 AM (6McTJ)
Posted by: Ghost Ø HillØrrheah at July 02, 2013 04:15 AM (ULH4o)
Posted by: toby928© at July 02, 2013 04:15 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Johnnyreb at July 02, 2013 08:11 AM (6McTJ)
And their rates were already high because of RomneyCare. Can Top Men pick 'em or what?
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 02, 2013 04:15 AM (I0SQj)
We have had pictures of ultrasounds up on billboards all over this nation. Using Gabe's idea isn't something to do in place of that; it's just an extra tool.
Besides, a huge number of people in this country are math illiterate and don't bother to do the simple division in their head to equate weeks to months, because they CAN'T.
Posted by: Miss Marple at July 02, 2013 04:15 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: panzernashorn at July 02, 2013 04:15 AM (MhA4j)
Upon acquittal he gets his gun back, they should reconsider.
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2013 04:16 AM (CMlD4)
http://tinyurl.com/mbpch4l
Posted by: Lady in Black at July 02, 2013 04:16 AM (ovWeo)
Posted by: blaster at July 02, 2013 04:16 AM (c28BI)
What can you do you know?
You have the lead detective at the time(who faced likely punishment and demotion base on politics) say when confronted with the potential of electronic evidence GZ said "Thank God!" and that he found GZ honest and credible.
Hell I think maybe everyone but blacks SHOULD riot if they railroad the guy, and if blacks were smart they'd grasp they should riot as well.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 04:16 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: panzernashorn at July 02, 2013 04:17 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 02, 2013 04:17 AM (w8v/8)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 04:19 AM (sQ0LB)
Snbowden yanks request to stay with Uncle Vlad...
that's right sport piss off the FSB and Putin it is a low risk high reward play...
"heh"
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 04:19 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: real joe at July 02, 2013 04:21 AM (PD2ad)
Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at July 02, 2013 04:22 AM (fWgl8)
It's not a is not a sin to pray Jon Benet Ramsey visits Nancy Grace(less) in Purgatory and beats her skull soft for a millenia or two....
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 04:22 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 02, 2013 04:23 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 02, 2013 04:25 AM (X4HxX)
Gabe, is math that hard?
Posted by: RiverC at July 02, 2013 07:46 AM (KTytI)
A small correction on 2. Due date is normally ~40 weeks after last menstrual period (LMP), or roughly 38 weeks after conception. Ultrasounds are often used to more accurately estimate due date, since ovulation for an individual woman can vary from month to month.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon once again. at July 02, 2013 04:25 AM (+/C3g)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 04:25 AM (sQ0LB)
The kid does have principles, it seems, though in international politics principles are the last thing you need.
Posted by: RiverC at July 02, 2013 04:26 AM (KTytI)
I get that for medical and legal purposes, using 20 weeks is necessary. For purposes of communicating what 20 weeks is, I think we get further by reminding folks as often as possible just what pregnancy after 20 weeks looks like.
Excellent point, Gabe, and absolutely true. We need to retake the language of the debate, and this is a great place to start.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 02, 2013 04:27 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 04:27 AM (hc19V)
It's my Birthday today.
The United States was really born today in 1776.
I was negative 196.
http://tinyurl.com/5wujft
The Founders were scattered so far they had to allow thirty-two days days to sign the document.
The last man signed it at the Ceremony on 2 Aug.
When I was negative 100 Colt Firearms patented the 1872 Open Top, predecessor to the '73 cowboy gun.
When I was 41 my beautiful Republic was smoldering about to burst into flames.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 04:27 AM (LRFds)
I've had cow-orkers who've hung copies of their kids' ultrasounds in their cubes, acquaintances who've used them as their Facebook profile pics, cousins who've mailed them to announce that they're expecting...Shit, "ultrasound parties", where rich people invite everyone they know to see the baby are a thing. Recording a 4-D ultrasound on DVD as a keepsake is a thing.
It seems to be me the discussion has moved past arguing about whether or not it's a baby, and onto arguing that it doesn't matter--killing it is justifiable for any old whim.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking coffee at July 02, 2013 04:28 AM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: UWP at July 02, 2013 04:28 AM (r98SZ)
Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at July 02, 2013 04:28 AM (Es08n)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 02, 2013 04:29 AM (X4HxX)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 02, 2013 04:29 AM (ZshNr)
Here's hoping that Zimmerman's family has some well armed South Korean friends, a la LA race riots...
Incidentally, with the race baiters tweeting his home address and CNN showing his SSN on air, I think all of them should be compelled to pay for 24/7 bodyguards for Zimmerman and his family for the rest of his natural life, as well as $10M danegeld each if he should meet a violent end.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 04:29 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: andycanuck at July 02, 2013 04:30 AM (9+vDU)
If you work at a Best Buy you may have problems with rioters. Me, I drive through ghettos constantly so maybe I might drive less-so in the immediate aftermath of a Zimmerman acquit.
WRT Snowden, I know the prevailing opinion here is against but I've no problem with him. Not a hero, possibly anti-hero, but not at all a villain. Of the trio of Assange, Manning and Snowden the only one I despise is Manning, however. Its not a Right/Left issue for me.
Posted by: Bigb'y Shadow Puppet Hands at July 02, 2013 04:31 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 02, 2013 04:31 AM (X4HxX)
Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2013 04:31 AM (2mSdf)
How does one say 730 days in Spanglish?
That's how many days Soc Sec gains in solvency from AMIGO GRANDE! Amnesty
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 04:32 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: RWC at July 02, 2013 04:32 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 04:32 AM (hc19V)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/kyserrr
Here's a thought, once a fire starts, just get out of the way and let it burn. It's not worth the loss of life, especially the loss of heroes. After all, everyone has insurance, right? New homes in fire prone areas could be build from fire resistant materials just as homes rebuilt in tornado alley should have tornado resistant shelters included in the design.
The article suggests that 'prescribed', 'controlled' burns would reduce the quantity of fuel for wild fires, so what's the difference?
Let it burn. It is just not worth the loss of life.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 02, 2013 04:33 AM (1sEQ4)
Possibly in pursuit? This idiot tickled the dragon and didn't have a bolt hole protected by a significant number of nuclear weapons prepared. He seems to have thought that some journolists and internet cryto-anarchists are going slow down the NSA.
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2013 04:33 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: spypeach at July 02, 2013 04:34 AM (0n1+D)
WRT Snowden, I know the prevailing opinion here is against but I've no problem with him. Not a hero, possibly anti-hero, but not at all a villain. Of the trio of Assange, Manning and Snowden the only one I despise is Manning, however. Its not a Right/Left issue for me.
Posted by: Bigb'y Shadow Puppet Hands at July 02, 2013 08:31 AM (3ZtZW)
My opinion of Snowden is that he's a spoiled hipster douche who wanted to do something that made him feel important. I'm grateful that he did it, but I don't particularly care for how he did it or his reasons for doing so. And I sure as hell don't approve of his actions after the fact. Who the hell goes to either China OR Russia for protection? If you really want safety, go to Iceland. That's why Wikileaks was based there for so long. If you think you're going to be in hot water for leaking national secrets, go where the pros go to stay on the down low. Don't go to our most powerful international enemies. That screams "spy" and "espionage."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 02, 2013 04:35 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 08:32 AM (hc19V)
Assumes facts not in evidence. I assume that with Eric Holder and Obama in DC, they will let an entire state burn if it advances their race-baiting agenda.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 04:35 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 04:36 AM (hc19V)
Posted by: RWC at July 02, 2013 04:36 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2013 04:36 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 02, 2013 08:33 AM (1sEQ4)
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I was under the impression that the eco-tards had put a stop to controlled burns as destroying mother gaia's natural beauty and adding to global warming
Posted by: Darth Randall at July 02, 2013 04:36 AM (mV8sg)
The article suggests that 'prescribed', 'controlled' burns would reduce the quantity of fuel for wild fires, so what's the difference?
RAPING MOTHER GAIA!!!!!!!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 02, 2013 04:37 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Scofflawx at July 02, 2013 04:37 AM (hcgfJ)
But we can't accept it, man. We gotta be the ones that take him down, dude!
His 'I'm stateless' thing is a clear message, not to us, but to Civil Liberties types that Your President Is A Liar. The longer this message gets hammered out and repeated the more likely it is to stick.
My advice is the one simple form of advice from the 36 strategems that everyone seems to ignore all the time: "Let the fires across the river burn": when your enemies are fighting, let them fight until they are exhausted, then go and clean up.
Wait until the dust clears with Snowden and then you can determine whether he is a traitor or not. For now, mum is the word... don't ruin the moment!
Posted by: RiverC at July 02, 2013 04:37 AM (KTytI)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 02, 2013 04:37 AM (X4HxX)
abortion
gay lifestyle
Christianity
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 02, 2013 06:59 AM
If I were a Democrat strategist assigned to distract "conservatives" with massive doses of Squirrels and Shiny Stuff, I would go to Tepid Air, NRO and AoSHQ and type the words "abortion" and "gay" into every comment thread. Oh, and "McCain," too.
That would derail any discussion of Choom Boy's felonies.
Even though I fully agree with a majority of the commenters on these subjects, I think all of them should be confined to -- at most -- one daily, specific thread.
There is no benefit to arguing these issues incessantly, especially in an age where our Top. Men. have already decided they don't need to obey the laws. When confronted with a rattlesnake, the best policy is always to behead it, not spend time nibbling on its rattles.
None of these problems will go away, ever (well, McCain might, but his legacy of moral cowardice and consorting with the enemy will live on). The best we can hope for is to create a world in which traitors like President Historic First© and their repulsive beliefs will be marginalized.
Oh, well. I'm sure the intent of this comment will be instantly overshadowed by accusations that I am a Baby Killer and Pro-Flaming Ghey. That's the exact opposite of true, BTW.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 02, 2013 04:38 AM (/RIVS)
Posted by: RWC at July 02, 2013 04:38 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 02, 2013 04:38 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 04:39 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: real joe at July 02, 2013 04:39 AM (PD2ad)
"Woman killed by dog she had adopted ...The aggressive dog, described as a “Labrador retriever” mix, twice charged at investigators who were trying to rescue the woman, Linda Oliver, officials said. A deputy was only able to stop the animal by repeatedly firing his weapon and eventually wounding it before it escaped under a fence into the surrounding Woodland Hills subdivision near Dayton. "
Yep, only police are qualified to have guns. And you don't need high-capacity magazines.
Posted by: Seven Sisters & Brothers at July 02, 2013 04:39 AM (ab+jQ)
Happy Birthday Sven. May you have many more.
Posted by: Darth Randall at July 02, 2013 04:40 AM (mV8sg)
I think there will be limited riots in Florida whenZimmerman is acquitted. In Miami. They will try to burn down Cuban owned businesses.
Posted by: blaster
I gather a large proportion of the black population, especially in the Southern part of the state, is foreign born. Wonder if they'll misbehave or .just shine it on.
Now Jacksonville.... might want to give that place a miss.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2013 04:40 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 02, 2013 04:40 AM (5NOhe)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 04:40 AM (03nHa)
Sheep, a herd of Sheep.
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2013 04:41 AM (CMlD4)
20 years ago I was a gung-ho law-and-order Republican.
Now? The cops are on the other side. They are the enforcers of our burgeoning police state, and are not our friends.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 02, 2013 04:41 AM (WW8xK)
Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 08:36 AM (hc19V)
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Correct. Remember the Fells Acre child abuse trials. Some of those completely innocent people spent decades in prison. They were convicted without one shred of evidence. It happens more often that you think.
Posted by: Johnnyreb at July 02, 2013 04:42 AM (6McTJ)
...oh you sneaky bastard. Was this what you had in mind all along? Can't levy a tax against one state and not another?
Pffft. It's a tax when you have to pay it, and a fee when you don't. Ya crazy wingnut!
Posted by: Roberts at July 02, 2013 04:42 AM (0IhFx)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 04:42 AM (sQ0LB)
I'm not convinced of the 'Putin is a mad dictator' line. I think as the leader of Russia he has to ride a fine line, much like Obama can never go 'full Bullworth' (or at least, he never will because those in his generation MUST SAVE FACE) and therefore whether or not we correctly read into him dictatorial intentions, with such a now-public figure as Snowden, there will be no way to pull that off without a huge public backlash.
Putin is if nothing a celebrity and not a notable, therefore, while he can have critics, he cannot survive a huge public backlash.
Posted by: RiverC at July 02, 2013 04:42 AM (KTytI)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 02, 2013 04:43 AM (X4HxX)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 02, 2013 04:43 AM (X4HxX)
Sheep, a herd of Sheep.
Good idea. Light the sheep on fire, and let them spread it around the house.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 02, 2013 04:43 AM (0IhFx)
You've got the right idea, except if you lived in CA, they'd put you in jail, - just for clearing a perimeter.
Posted by: Fritz at July 02, 2013 04:43 AM (G9Mmf)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 02, 2013 04:44 AM (w8v/8)
Don't underestimate the stupidity of jurors, especially when they are under so much pressure to convict. And no, once there is a conviction it is extremely difficult to get it reversed on appeal. Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 08:36 AM (hc19V).
Correct. Remember the Fells Acre child abuse trials. Some of those completely innocent people spent decades in prison. They were convicted without one shred of evidence. It happens more often that you think.
Posted by: Johnnyreb at July 02, 2013 08:42 AM (6McTJ)
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Remember, you are being judged by people too stupid to get out of jury duty.
Posted by: Darth Randall at July 02, 2013 04:44 AM (mV8sg)
Posted by: real joe at July 02, 2013 04:44 AM (PD2ad)
And I would argue his utility to our cause is too great for that to matter. He is THE WEDGE ISSUE WE NEED and all some can think of is calling him a traitor. When all is said and done that may be shown to be true; I do not know. However, like the FISA courts he revealed that eke by on legality on a technicality, it is likely that he will slip past the treason charge on a technicality as well.
Cake, eat or keep, not both.
Posted by: RiverC at July 02, 2013 04:44 AM (KTytI)
Posted by: panzernashorn at July 02, 2013 04:45 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 04:45 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 04:45 AM (03nHa)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 02, 2013 04:47 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Klawnet at July 02, 2013 04:47 AM (HhX5h)
Some say no new party, take over the old. I say this--I'll support candidates once I am sure that the business interests who are the driving force behind this immigration amnesty are no longer a force in that candidate's party.
It is easier to give that guarantee with a new party.
Or in other words--Karl Rove, drop dead.
Posted by: Mr. Happy-Ounce of Prevention, Pound of Cure at July 02, 2013 04:47 AM (Hfjmb)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 08:45 AM (03nHa)
A little time spent in Anna Puma's Dungeon of Delights would soon turn those herbivores to carnivores, I'm sure. 
Or at the very least omnivores.
Speaking of which, AtC loaned me one of her good crops the other day. Must remember to give that back.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 02, 2013 04:47 AM (4df7R)
Just like the wiretapping; slips by as 'legal'.
Now here's something interesting. If you have the utilitarian vision of law then you should have no problem with the FISA court, the wiretap or Snowden. According to the law the former are legal and according to the law the latter is not a man who committed treason.
Why? Regardless of your moral 'feelings', which are meaningless if you actually hold to the idea that law is aside from morality, those are the laws as they stand and unless you are able to change them, the most you can do is feel conflicted about it.
I for one believe that law and morality are inseparable, and that the moral feeling of outrage against the wiretapping and to some extent, Snowden, represents clearly that our system of law is very broken and needs reform to accord to the moral feeling of the majority. (Otherwise, we cannot claim that our Republic's democratic qualities are anything other than a rubber stamp.)
Posted by: RiverC at July 02, 2013 04:49 AM (KTytI)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 02, 2013 04:49 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Mr. Happy-Ounce of Prevention, Pound of Cure at July 02, 2013 04:49 AM (Hfjmb)
Posted by: Guido-'now with 75% more hate' at July 02, 2013 04:50 AM (8I9hB)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 04:50 AM (sQ0LB)
http://tinyurl.com/l2vh82v
Not only are opposition party ministers quitting the Morsi government, so too are two of Morsi's spokesmen. This would be like Jay Carney quitting.
http://tinyurl.com/lqzngrd
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 04:52 AM (03nHa)
Posted by: real joe at July 02, 2013 04:53 AM (PD2ad)
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."
According to my reading of this, Snowden is a traitor.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 02, 2013 04:54 AM (WW8xK)
Somebody put me some knowledge here, please: when did "Haboob" become part of the English language? Seems to me I've only heard it in the past two or so years; before that, it was a "dust storm," which seems perfectly descriptive to me.
Hell, I'm sure the Navajo and Hopi languages have good words for "dust storm." I'd much rather see those used in the Southwest.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 02, 2013 04:54 AM (/RIVS)
Day by Day Cartoon mentioned Palin is thinking 3rd party?
Palin herself said so in a facebook post.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 02, 2013 04:54 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2013 04:55 AM (OevbG)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 02, 2013 04:55 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: panzernashorn at July 02, 2013 04:56 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 02, 2013 08:54 AM
Yes, and he should pay the prescribed price for it.
Of course that definition applies to Choom Boy and more than one member of his regime, too. That and five bucks will get you a (small) semi-fancy cup of coffee at Starbuck's.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 02, 2013 04:56 AM (/RIVS)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 02, 2013 08:55 AM (ZshNr)
It's Arabic, coined in the Sudan. At least according to Wikipedia, that unimpeachable font of all knowledge.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 02, 2013 04:57 AM (4df7R)
The rich RINO's are entrenched at the upper levels. They don't have jobs. That how they get their fund raising party's as a write off.
Posted by: Paladin at July 02, 2013 04:57 AM (QGbEp)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 04:57 AM (03nHa)
245 There is no currently ranked by seniority US Leader in either major political party with the mind and balls to match Putin.
Not sure what you mean by that set of criteria, but I submit the following names for consideration. Rick Perry. John Bolton.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 04:58 AM (sQ0LB)
>>>Now? The cops are on the other side. They are the enforcers of our burgeoning police state, and are not our friends.
Yes, agreed
Posted by: Bigb'y Shadow Puppet Hands at July 02, 2013 04:58 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at July 02, 2013 04:58 AM (jsWA8)
Posted by: Jenny Hates All The Things at July 02, 2013 04:58 AM (GmTxn)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 08:57 AM (03nHa)
*radiating innocence* Why whatever do you mean? I went horseback riding and needed a crop, that's all. *angelic smile and golden halo*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 02, 2013 04:59 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 02, 2013 04:59 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Mike S at July 02, 2013 04:59 AM (/4imY)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 02, 2013 05:00 AM (8JJ6O)
Now? The cops are on the other side. They are the enforcers of our burgeoning police state, and are not our friends
A gun and a badge gives many a petty tyrant license to indulge.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 05:00 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: RWC at July 02, 2013 05:00 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2013 05:01 AM (OevbG)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 05:01 AM (sQ0LB)
>>>Snowden IS a traitor, in my eyes. Outing the domestic surveillance program was legit, running to China and Russia and talking about our programs there is worthy of a firing squad
That's cool. IMO its gotten rotten enough that I won't defend what's no longer defensible. The China/Russia thing hardly matters at all. I might blink twice if he went to Iran or North Korea. I'm on Team LIB and I mean it, no reservations.
Posted by: Bigb'y Shadow Puppet Hands at July 02, 2013 05:02 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 08:58 AM (sQ0LB)
I think in addition to the mind and the balls, you've also got to have the cunning to be able to match Putin. He's as crafty as a snake. Bolton I think could do it; he's had enough experience with foreign leaders and politics. Perry could get there, but he's a good guy. Guile is something that good guys find hard to pull off in a convincing manner for very long because it's so oily.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 02, 2013 05:02 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 05:02 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: RWC at July 02, 2013 05:03 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 05:03 AM (03nHa)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 02, 2013 05:03 AM (JDIKC)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 09:01 AM (sQ0LB)
I plead the fifth. *whistling innocently*
Now I want to find my Big and Rich CD...
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 02, 2013 05:04 AM (4df7R)
Gabe is a fan of Amnesty, so he clearly can't do math.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 02, 2013 05:04 AM (WW8xK)
https://twitter.com/Salamander
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 05:04 AM (03nHa)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 09:03 AM (03nHa) /i]
I'd just pity the four-legged animals. HOpefully they'd be smart enough to escape the blaze.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 02, 2013 05:04 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 02, 2013 05:05 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 05:05 AM (hc19V)
20*7=140
140/30 = 4.67
20 weeks and 1 day is **still** inside the 5th month.
5*30=150
150/7=21.4
Abortions that take place before 21 and 2-ish are still inside the 5th month.
Calling that 6 months is not weasel words; rather, it is an out-and-out lie.
Math at this level is not a difficult concept.
For fuck's sake.
Posted by: Troll Feeder at July 02, 2013 05:06 AM (NbRjw)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 02, 2013 09:03 AM (JDIKC)
Mr. Snowden, thank for exposing these profound violations of our freedoms and rights.
What would you like for your last meal?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 02, 2013 05:06 AM (WW8xK)
Posted by: UWP at July 02, 2013 05:06 AM (r98SZ)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 05:06 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 09:06 AM (sQ0LB)
This is why I have closed formatting tags in my nic. Saves me from the barrel every time. *buffs nails*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 02, 2013 05:07 AM (4df7R)
This piece of shit needs to die.
America died in January of 2009. Snowden's just poking around the funeral prep.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2013 05:08 AM (OevbG)
Posted by: Chique d'afrique at July 02, 2013 05:08 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: UWP at July 02, 2013 05:08 AM (r98SZ)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 05:08 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 02, 2013 05:10 AM (ZshNr)
Or just cheesecake and music?
http://youtu.be/5nZniMYCZp4
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 05:10 AM (03nHa)
That's retarded, Sirrrr.
Morning all. What fresh hell will come today.
Posted by: RWC at July 02, 2013 08:32
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Please elaborate
Posted by: Jay in PA at July 02, 2013 05:10 AM (3LaGb)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 05:11 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: NBPP, just look at our spiffy uniforms! at July 02, 2013 05:11 AM (Hsp0Y)
Posted by: sven10077 at July 02, 2013 05:13 AM (qlvMO)
Posted by: I am Jane's Uterus at July 02, 2013 05:13 AM (vHFY7)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 02, 2013 05:13 AM (JDIKC)
Posted by: RWC at July 02, 2013 05:14 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: UWP at July 02, 2013 05:14 AM (r98SZ)
That's retarded, Sirrrr.
BTW, my favorite part of that little exchange between Rachel Jeantel and the lawyer is that she uses "that's retarded" and "sir" together. It's like me saying, "You have my sincerest thanks, shithead." Or, "You make a valid point, assfucker." The justaposition of the crude slang with the term of respect is incongruous at best.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 02, 2013 05:14 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Bigb'y Shadow Puppet Hands at July 02, 2013 05:15 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: RWC at July 02, 2013 05:15 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 02, 2013 09:13 AM (JDIKC)
Eh. It's tradition. Nothing wrong with it.
I would like it to be a hanging though.....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 02, 2013 05:15 AM (WW8xK)
Posted by: UWP at July 02, 2013 05:16 AM (r98SZ)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 02, 2013 05:19 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: panzernashorn at July 02, 2013 05:20 AM (MhA4j)
Russia and China are rivals, which to some hawkish / former neocons = actually enemies even if undeclared.
Posted by: RiverC at July 02, 2013 05:23 AM (KTytI)
Posted by: UWP at July 02, 2013 05:23 AM (r98SZ)
Posted by: mindful webworker, your servant at July 02, 2013 05:24 AM (RSPPF)
"20 years ago I was a gung-ho law-and-order Republican.
Now? The cops are on the other side. They are the enforcers of our burgeoning police state, and are not our friends."
Yup. In that time frame you can see the steady morphing from "Peace Officer" to "LEO" and "Protect and Serve" to "Officer Safety". I'm not saying all cops are like this, but I'd say their leadership and their agencies as a whole have drifted this direction. I won't even go into why my little suburban town cops and so many others think they need an APC.
Posted by: Jaws at July 02, 2013 05:27 AM (4I3Uo)
>>>In fact, he has enormously enhanced it
Absolutely. Either you believe in the Classical Liberal model on which the US was Founded, with ALL of its faults provides for the strongest and most adaptable of societies OR you don't. Fascists can originate on the Right or the Left, and Fascists off all stripes should burn in fkn Hell.
Posted by: Bigb'y Shadow Puppet Hands at July 02, 2013 05:28 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Ragamuffin at July 02, 2013 05:28 AM (fzFF6)
Posted by: Ragamuffin at July 02, 2013 05:33 AM (fzFF6)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 05:34 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: panzernashorn at July 02, 2013 05:35 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: UWP at July 02, 2013 05:36 AM (r98SZ)
Posted by: UWP at July 02, 2013 05:44 AM (r98SZ)
Posted by: panzernashorn at July 02, 2013 05:45 AM (MhA4j)
So your argument is that Snowden is on the side of the angels and that EoJ, CBD, and myself are not? That's an interesting viewpoint.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 05:49 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: UWP at July 02, 2013 05:52 AM (r98SZ)
Wow, ok. America =/=government for starters. If you believe that corruptions of one makes the other irredeemable, I hear Belize is nice. Churchill and Stalin both hated Hitler, so clearly we should have sided with the USSR post WW2 since Stalin was still in power and Churchill was not--at least according to your logic.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 05:57 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: Truest believer at July 02, 2013 06:02 AM (8esY+)
Posted by: UWP at July 02, 2013 06:04 AM (r98SZ)
Posted by: UWP at July 02, 2013 06:05 AM (r98SZ)
Giving up on America is letting Obama win. But go ahead and tell yourself that believing in Washington, Jefferson, and Madison is making one the stooge of the feds and anti-American.
I'll take EoJ and CBD, and the belief in a constitutional republic. You can have Snowden and your conviction that only your hatred of Obama is pure.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at July 02, 2013 06:14 AM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit, but you can call me Michael at July 02, 2013 06:22 AM (vVMIQ)
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit, but you can call me Michael at July 02, 2013 06:41 AM (vVMIQ)
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit, but you can call me Michael at July 02, 2013 06:43 AM (vVMIQ)
Say it - Wendy he heroine wants to kill six month old babies.
Let them disentangle the lingusitics. Because having them go, no, not six month old babies, just babies in the womb at six months does not help their argument.
Posted by: blaster at July 02, 2013 06:58 AM (c28BI)
Bravo, blaster! We Morons "get" it, but the private-party politicians don't. It'll be up to us and the conservative blogosphere.
Posted by: RushBabe at July 02, 2013 07:28 AM (qkZxk)
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2013 02:53 AM (+98Gb)