1 Good Morning

2 America as a whole suffers because of our leaders. And they want us to suffer, while they live like entitled slavemasters. Passing a CR for each department will not cut funding. It's based on the previous year's funding level. Now you see why the Stimulous was so important. Ramp up Federal spending 40%, mostly to your friends and allies, then not pass a budget, obnly CRs, Smart. Evil, but smart.

3 Donde esta El Vico?

4 Of course they would attack a statue of an American President that brought prosperity to the USA. 'Prosperity should no longer be something that should be considered as desirable. Thou shall have no other Gods before me.' Obama 3:16

5 It's a tad early for my organic spell-checker. I'll at least look at the barrel.

6 And greetings from Korea.

7 DAY 322 1,141 to go (1,212 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

8 Cat lying across arm. Typing and witticisms restricted.

9 I think I might add "McConnell" to my M list.

10 I laughed at the SCOTUS thing.

11 Season 4 of the French crime show "Spiral" ("Enrenages") now available on Netflix. Audrey Fleurot is one smoking hot ginger... Le fap-tastique!

12

We must kill coal now to accomplish nothing in the next 10 years to decrease emissions of a natural substance with a negligable effect on global warming, because Gaia demands it.

 

F*ck those guys.

13 Engrenages... lost a "g" in there.

14 So we get national health care and a ruined nation all because Bukkake Obama was a shit candidate and they wanted to fire up their base because they thought he had no shot and had nothing to lose by spewing out the typical leftist wet-dream. And now here we are. My head exploded when I read that.

15 How many 5 year olds can you take in a fight? http://howmanyfiveyearoldscouldyoutakeinafight.com my number is 26.

16 Right there with you JJ.

17 I want to make a turd-ducken out of Mitch McConnell and McStain and then beat Karl Rove to death with it.

18 11 Season 4 of the French crime show "Spiral" ("Enrenages") now available on Netflix. Audrey Fleurot is one smoking hot ginger... Le fap-tastique! Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 24, 2013 07:02 AM (WjLUf) Meh. She's all yours. I'm sticking with Diana Rigg circa 1965.

19 Mitch McConnell looks at Jay Leno and wonders how God could be so unfair.

20 Shutdowns don't scare me.

21

My comment on the origins of O-Care thread last night:

Also, Robert Gibbs and this other jack hole need some quality time in the bowels of Hell. A f*cking whim and campaign sound bite is the reason to take over 1/6 of the economy and f*ck it like a three dollar whore? My God, vanity is the only governing principle that the SCOAMT recognizes.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at September 23, 2013 08:27 PM (+POLm)

22 18 Meh. She's all yours. I'm sticking with Diana Rigg circa 1965. Posted by: eman at September 24, 2013 07:07 AM (AO9UG) I'll see your '65 D. Rigg and raise you a '66 A. Margret. But Fleurot is just amazing. By the way, "Spiral" is one of the best shows I've seen in a long time. Despite being French they at least are not PC about their corrupt society. And they portray the Muzzies as evil criminals. Very well done show, despite the sub-titties.

23 I think I might add "McConnell" to my M list. My friends, you don't have to be afraid of adding McConnell to the list.

24 Senate rules. That's all I've been hearing for a week. These fucking politicians, they  make a mockery of The Constitution on a daily basis but when it comes to a Senate rule by God there's no going against that..

25 20 Shutdowns don't scare me. Posted by: eman at September 24, 2013 07:09 AM (AO9UG) Emergency/essential services will continue as well as the filthy lucre of SSI and other gubmint handouts. And despite the lies, the US government does not default on its debt obligations. Ironically, we take in enough cash each month to service the debt. The killer is the spending, but that don't fit the narrative. The other crap gets halted. I can live with that.

26 Shutdown, good. Let 'em sit at home and watch the hometown Redskins and RJ 0 for III

27 Levin said last night that should there be a successful filibuster, (doubtful at this stage), President Bukkake will UNILATERALLY raise the debt limit. Clearly a blatantly impeachable offense. But since the Congress will let it go, it will be the coup de grace for our republic, if that has not yet happened. All moot. The GOP wing of the Democrat party will stab us in the back. I really think it's time for insurrection.

28

Under Senate rules, the earliest that the House could get a CR back from the Senate is Sunday -- assuming Sens. Cruz and Lee don't stop up the process. That would give the House exactly one day to act before a shutdown occurs.

 

And the Boehner and the cowardly shits in the House of course knew this.  Yeah but they were totally serious and ready fight and its Cruz and Lee that now its time to put up or shut up.

29 By the way, anyone having trouble downloading Levin's show this morning? Is it me or is it his website?

30 Le Vic. C'est sick?

31 Sierra Club, and other insane lefties go after coal because, apparently, that's what insane lefties do.  If you listen to them (and unfortunately I have had to), they really have nothing in particular to complain about.  The plants send up smoke.  Which is dirty.  And has chemicals... CHEMICALS!! in it. 

Nothing credible in terms of what the effects are, but  they are sometimes very good at getting people fired up (see what I did there?) about it, so they can enforce regulations, or shut down plants.

Overall, the intent  appears to be to get us all  (and by all I mean many many fewer of us)  back to mud huts and caves.  I can't see  any other possible conclusion. 

32 Shutdowns scare politicians. Politicians need the Machine to keep running 24/7. Tax, spend, vote, tax, spend, vote. On and on. More and more. Forever. It is impossible to do and every politician fears being in office when the Machine snaps a piston.

33 What does the Horde place as odds of the shutdown occurring? I think it's low; I suspect Reid will get 60 with McConnell supporting cloture. The House will probably respond with a CR that funds ObamaCare, maybe with a delay. There might be haggling over the delay but it doesn't matter much.

34

I'm no Vic, but on this day in history in 1969, the Chicago Seven went on trial.  Yet somehow since then, it's American culture that's been prosecuted endlessly.

 

Also, some dude named George Washington signed the Judiciary Act of 1789 that established the Supreme Court as a tribunal of 6 justices and nominated John Jay to be the first Chief Justice.

35 33 The House will probably respond with a CR that funds ObamaCare, maybe with a delay. There might be haggling over the delay but it doesn't matter much. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 24, 2013 07:23 AM (pYXiI) I want a delay. And Tom Delay.

36 26 -

Ouch.  I haven't seen any of the Redskins' games, how is ol' RJ doing? 

I did get to see some of the Niners the other day, and Kaepernick was stinking it up.  I am wondering if the era of QBs who can do it all is going to turn into a big fat nothing. 

37 34 I'm no Vic, but on this day in history in 1969, the Chicago Seven went on trial. Yet somehow since then, it's American culture that's been prosecuted endlessly. Also, some dude named George Washington signed the Judiciary Act of 1789 that established the Supreme Court as a tribunal of 6 justices and nominated John Jay to be the first Chief Justice. Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 24, 2013 07:24 AM (sQ0LB) The Chicago 7 were sentenced to 8 years... In the White House, running/ruining the country.

38 36 -

RG, I mean.  I'm so STUPID!!

39

Vandals torched a statue of President Reagan in a Southern California park.

 

I'd say torch a Barack Obama Boulevard  in return,  but how could you tell?

 

Morning, ‘rons and ‘ronettes.  Today, appropriately enough, IÂ’ve got a Ronaldus Maximus story.  It comes from a 1966 issue of Time, so caveat emptor, though I think the Luces were still in control then and trying to keep it an objective magazine.

 

 

Anyway, the story goes that the writer William Faulkner was standing with fellow writer Stephen Longstreet at the gates of the Warner Brothers studio, waiting for their car.  The two were working on a picture called Stallion Road, which, though they tried to make it a cut above average, was still a B picture at heart.

 

 

“Who’s going to star in this?” Faulkner asked.

 

 

“A horse,” snorted Longstreet.

 

 

“I mean human.”

 

 

“Ronald Reagan.”

 

 

Faulkner puffed on his pipe for a little while before saying, “I donÂ’t know.  Back home, weÂ’d run him for public office.”

 

 

“Why?”

 

 

Faulkner thought a little longer.  “An actor,” he finally said, “now has to be the part heÂ’s playing, but this boy is too much of everything and none of it settles down.  You canÂ’t go too wrong in politics going from no place to nothing.”

 

 

Stallion Road did fairly well (as it should have, since the movie was originally scheduled to star Bogart and Bacall), but not everyone liked it.  Faulkner, having seen the movie, sent a short note to Longstreet: “If youÂ’re a horse, youÂ’ll like the picture.”

 

 

HereÂ’s a still of Reagan and Smith:  http://tinyurl.com/nu2ah6w

 

 

Hope you all have a wonderful day.

40 We've got to get down to it. Should have been done long ago.

41 If "government shutdown" is what it's called when we stop spending money on nonessential services, then we should shut that fucker down and never restart it.

42 *waves tiny stop it with the fucking procedural games you remora frenching jackholes sign*


"The EPA anticipates that the proposed EGU New Source GHG Standards will result in negligible CO2 emission changes, energy impacts, quantified benefits, costs, and economic impacts by 2022."


What does that even mean?   I mean, the plain English interpretation of that is this won't change anything at all, so, what?   It's a bureaucratese admission that the EPA is doing this for shits and giggles?

43 Thomas Sowell weighs in on the defunding effort over at American Spectator (www.spectator.org). "Should Obamacare be defunded? Absolutely. It is an economic disaster and will be a medical disaster, as well as destroying the ConstitutionÂ’s protections of American citizens from the unbridled power of the federal government... ...But, for the same reason that it makes no sense to impeach either President Obama or Chief Justice Roberts, it makes no sense to attempt to defund Obamacare. That reason is that it cannot be done. The world is full of things that ought to be done but cannot in fact be done. The time, effort and credibility that Republicans are investing in trying to defund Obamacare is a high risk, low yield investment..." Whoa.

44 >> Senate rules. That's all I've been hearing for a week. These fucking politicians, they make a mockery of The Constitution on a daily basis but when it comes to a Senate rule by God there's no going against that.. Well said.

45 Morning AtC!  It's just like everything else the admin does--it's symbolic for social justice or equality or Gaia-worship, without a care for even foreseeable bad outcomes, yet alone the unknown ones.  The Leftists love them some bad science as justification for their ideologies.

46 42 *waves tiny stop it with the fucking procedural games you remora frenching jackholes sign* "The EPA anticipates that the proposed EGU New Source GHG Standards will result in negligible CO2 emission changes, energy impacts, quantified benefits, costs, and economic impacts by 2022." What does that even mean? I mean, the plain English interpretation of that is this won't change anything at all, so, what? It's a bureaucratese admission that the EPA is doing this for shits and giggles? Posted by: alexthechick - Really Universe Really? at September 24, 2013 07:31 AM (Gk3SS) It means by 2022 the USA will be a third world garbage dump crawling with scavengers and bandits. As planned.

47 By the way, anyone having trouble downloading Levin's show this morning? Is it me or is it his website?

It's the website. Scroll down and click on one of the older links (9/13 or older), then when the pop-up window opens, you can click on last night's show from there.

-C

48

"Tax, spend, vote, tax, spend, vote.

On and on. More and more. Forever."

 

 

The way things are organized now, there is no incentive to do anything differently.

 

Instead of arguing the merits of taxing and spending more or less on each individual item, it makes more sense to change the incentives. 

49 47 Posted by: Cnation at September 24, 2013 07:34 AM (o2ltz) Thanks. But I tried clicking on all the other links and no go. Hmmm....

50 J.J. mentioned Audrey Fleurot earlier. The horde has had some previous contact with the lovely Audrey. And I have the video! http://bit.ly/14CIMvI

51 I don't understand all this controversy over Ted Cruz trying to defun ObamaCare. This is serious business, goverminting. Nobody ever said that getting free health care should be fun.

52 Posted by: Cnation at September 24, 2013 07:34 AM (o2ltz) Yay! Thanks.

53 If what I hear is true and Cornyn is whipping votes against Cruz I will vote against anyone who primaries against him and then anyone who runs against him. No more RINO's.

54 27- J.J. I was listening to Levin last night too. It is unbelievable that the SCOAMF will raise the debt ceilings without congressional approval. Do we have affirmative action to blame for the lack of balls on the republicans against the JEF? I do not understand why they refuse to do anything? I love Levin & hope that that administration listens to him. I hope Mitch & the republican listen to him too. I get very upset when I hear what the JEF plans to do. I read over at HA last night briefly that SCOAMF called Boehner and said they would be no negations with him about the debt ceiling! Yes, it is time for an insurrection. LetÂ’s lead they way. Where are you J.J. Sefton? IÂ’m in MA, very close to Boston. Carol

55 Okay, this made me grin:


http://bit.ly/17Yh2Ci

56 I just realized I should have told you Reagan's co-star in Stallion Road was Alexis Smith, who was a very popular star in the 1940s, co-starring with Errol Flynn, Bogart, Cary Grant and Bing Crosby.  She won a Tony Award in 1972 for her role as Phyllis in the Stephen Sondheim musical Follies.

57 Previous comments eaten?

58

...But, for the same reason that it makes no sense to impeach either President Obama or Chief Justice Roberts, it makes no sense to attempt to defund Obamacare. That reason is that it cannot be done. The world is full of things that ought to be done but cannot in fact be done.
The time, effort and credibility that Republicans are investing in trying to defund Obamacare is a high risk, low yield investment..."

 

I respect Sowell a great deal.  I'm sad to see him on the "why bother?" bandwagon.

59 "I'm so STUPID!" Meh. We knew what you meant, and it's early. Grab another cup o' coffee. You'll be fine.

60 48. Incentives? Like school vouchers?

61

8 Cat lying across arm. Typing and witticisms restricted.

 

 

 

Have him dust the keyboard with his tail.

 

 

Mornin' all.

62

Franklin Mars (candies & caries)

 

And an incredible workaholic prick.  If you're interested, read The Emperors of Chocolate.

63 55 http://bit.ly/17Yh2Ci Posted by: alexthechick - Really Universe Really? at September 24, 2013 07:40 AM (Gk3SS) ===================== I think they'd happily send him the bling! He has a good claim, after all.

64 then beat Karl Rove to death with it I keep thinking about the movie 'Groundhog Day' where Bill Murray keeps waking up day after day and it's still the same day, Groundhog Day. I have this recurring vision of Election Night and Karl Rove wandering the corridors of Fox News scratching his head. I can see it happening again from my front porch.

65

Let this moment be emblazoned on our memory forever. McConnell and Cornyn are whipping Republican votes against Cruz in the Senate to protect Obamacare. The GOP has shown its true colors in fighting for the big government takeover of family health decisions. McConnell, Cornyn, Obama, Clinton, and the GOP establishment. They all want the same thing: to throw American freedom into the abyss.

Let the Republican Party die on the vine.

Let the Tea Party rise and take its place and become America's party of freedom.

Cruz/Palin 2016

66 Despite the embarrassing horror show of incompetence last night, Oakland came within a point of the spread. And I finished Week 3 with an incompetent horror show of 5 correct picks. DiT laughs. FML.

67 "All moot. The GOP wing of the Democrat party will stab us in the back.

I really think it's time for insurrection.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 24, 2013 07:16 AM (WjLUf)"

An insurrection would be unlikely to turn out well.  If we could win a civil war, we could win an election.  As you point out, the most likely organizing entity for resistance has already been subverted by the enemy.

As Lenin demonstrated in 1917, a small disciplined and well organized group can beat a large mob with guns and good intentions.  When I look at our side I don't see a lot of organization.  When I look at them I see ruthless discipline and world class discipline.  The GOP is merely an organization that exists to transfer donations into the bank accounts of millionaire consultants who don't care about or even know what matters to you.  They have already secured their places in the Hunger Games society that is being built.

68 EPA regulations have never been about any rational methodology to improve the environment.  They serve to redistribute money to the "correct" campaign contributors from the "incorrect" campaign contributors and control the populace.

69 John's job before his death was at a multinational that made ammonium nitrate for explosives and fertilizer. He figured that between the "recession" halting most road construction while causing farmers to extend their fertilizing schedule, O-cares reaming of the union's "cadillac healthcare plan" and the administrations up-front plan to destroy coal mining, that the company was probably done in the US and would simply leave and cut their losses. There's a reason that most such companies are now based out of Australia or Asia.

70 Vic has a cup of coffee and is going to take the day off. No politics and no crappy pics of Miley Cirus.

71

61 48. "Incentives?
Like school vouchers?"

 

Actually, yes.

 

The theory is that if you want elected officials to spend and tax less, you  establish rewards for that.  If they spend and tax more, there are penalties.

 

This is a unique, cutting edge, new-age idea.

72 Sad that we, as a country, have reached the "If I must believe in something, I believe I'll have another beer!" stage in the slide to irrelevance.

73 Boehner told the president he was “disappointed” to hear his position, an aide said. Boehner was disappointed! He’s better get some balls and tell him that he cannot get away with this stuff any more! I”m sick of we only controls 1/2 of 1/3 of the government. Congress has the power of the purse, in order to keep the president from spring more than he can. If he does that it is an impeachable offense. Since our republican leadership sucks, we should start the process ourselves with a petition to the White House and Congress.

74

Posted by: Vic at September 24, 2013 07:55 AM (zZbNF)

 

It's OK, Vic.  When you get to be your age, you tire out easily.  Why don't you turn off your hearing aid and take a nap?  :-)

75 74 Vic has a cup of coffee and is going to take the day off. No politics and no crappy pics of Miley Cirus. ======================= Day off? WTF?

76 We shall penalize politicians who tax and spend too much by saying, "Ni!"

77 So, Kenya is saying that at least 3 of those terrorists were from Minn. What is the MSM reporting? How come they aren't following up on this? Why do I have to get all my news from the foreign press?

78 I think Vic should be able to take the day off. We want him to take the day off.

79 I respect Sowell a great deal. I'm sad to see him on the "why bother?" bandwagon.

I'm with you, MP4.

Seems like in the end, all members of the "pundit" class wind up advocating a bend-over-and-take-it strategy. Sad.

The more we are counseled to accept whatever shit the politicians heap on us, the more painful and violent the inevitable resolution.

Though traitors like Reid and Choom Boy are too wrapped up in greed and power-lust to see it, the point at which people will have to choose to take to the streets if they hope to survive is fast approaching.

80

But if Vic doesn't work, how will the Low-Information Morons get their news?

 

But thanks Vic for bringing the knowledge most mornings.

81

80 "We shall penalize politicians who tax and spend too much by saying, "Ni!"

 

Yes.  Although that hasn't worked too well so far, most here are convinced that it will soon solve all our problems.

82 How many more years must we subject to Miley Cyrus' tongue? Can we get a restraining order?

83 Vic has earned a second Sunday.

84 72 -

Redistribution really is just the start of it though.  You turn the tables, the haves become the have-nots, but  it's not like anybody expects the already downtrodden to rise.  History is too clear on that point. 

Any result of the constant conflict will inevitably include the worst outcomes for those who are already on the bottom. 

So it's about the elites being brought down, to be replaced by a new elite.  With many many fewer humans around to cause problems for the new  Grand  Poobahs. 

85 86 How many more years must we subject to Miley Cyrus' tongue? Can we get a restraining order?

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman, PhD Bitches! at September 24, 2013 08:01 AM (T0Pku)

 

What's the over-under on a sex tape?  From there, it'll be about another 2-3 years before she becomes a permanent B-list celebrity, an ugly version of a Kardashian.

86 Stop! Or I shall say stop again.

87 86 How many more years must we subject to Miley Cyrus' tongue? Can we get a restraining order? Posted by: Jesse Pinkman, PhD Bitches! at September 24, 2013 08:01 AM (T0Pku) What's the over-under on a sex tape? From there, it'll be about another 2-3 years before she becomes a permanent B-list celebrity, an ugly version of a Kardashian. Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 24, 2013 08:03 AM (sQ0LB) Miley, Lindsey Logan is counting on you.

88 89 -

No way.  Miley is going to grow up,  get a normal hairstyle,  keep her tongue in her mouth,  find a decent guy, get married, have kids, and settle into a happy obscurity.

I can think of nothing more scandalous to our pop culture than that. 

89 Let's not pretend anymore.  Obama is King, we are serfs, everybody just go on about their lives, maybe he will show mercy.

90 Hey ya'll...the improving economy is leading to an increase in illegal immigration. No, no, no, a thousand times no, it couldn't be anything else.

91 Let's not pretend anymore. Obama is King, we are serfs, everybody just go on about their lives, maybe he will show mercy.

 

Posted by: Case at September 24, 2013 08:06 AM (9mWut)

 

Well, the barons rose against King John Lackland, so perhaps there will be a rising against King Barry Lackwit some day.

92 8 Cat lying across arm. Typing and witticisms restricted. - J.J. Sefton ____ Brings back memories of when I typed a lot of one-handed keystrokes with our firstborn cradled in one arm. Later, with the twins, not as easy! The cats are more amenable to being summarily thrown on the floor, I've noticed. Good morning, everybody. Grabbing for the gusto today?

93 Hey, does anyone have an extra smoke? I have to give a speech and need a throwaway line, but I find I think better with a comforting dose of nicotine and a quiet moment in the can.

94

Well, for anyone who wondered what would have happened if Carter had won in 1980, we're living it.

95 Morning. Tried to go to Cornyn's website to congratulate him for helping drive the final nail in the GOP's coffin, but it appears to be down. Can anyone else access it?

96 Great Hymns of the Faith-"Praise to the Lord, the Almighty." Words by Joachim Neander, 1680 who wrote about 60 hymns. Neander was a Pietist (Pietists were noted for trust in Christ rather than "correct" theology) who wrote wonderful hymns of faith despite his own considerable stress which lead to his early death: The story: http://tinyurl.com/l445qaz The music (with words just underneath the video) in a lovely rendition by the London Philharmonic with some nice photos to accompany the hymn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlD3Gaq4cN0 "Praise to the Lord who doth nourish they life and restore thee, fitting thee well for the tasks that are ever before thee." Grace and peace to you.

97

How about this throwaway line, you SCOAMT?

 

"If I can't get the economy turned around in 3 years, then we're looking at a one-term proposition."

98 SMOD, you still suck.

99 101 How about this throwaway line, you SCOAMT?

"If I can't get the economy turned around in 3 years, then we're looking at a one-term proposition."

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 24, 2013 08:13 AM (sQ0LB)

With a narcissist like the SCOAMF it's hard to tell what's a throwaway line and what he really means. I suspect that he really believed he'd turn the economy around at that point and also really believed that he deserved to be reelected. Nothing he says has any weight; it's all for the moment and totally impermanent.

100 >>> So, Kenya is saying that at least 3 of those terrorists were from Minn. Meaning they are Somalian.

101

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 24, 2013 07:41 AM (zF6Iw)

Hey, MPPP, I'm sure you've seen this before, but just in case you haven't, here's Smith doing her big number from Follies.  She's still never been equaled in this role.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmexU4Qd0HM

102 Warming up in the bullpen

103 The insurrection already happened. The criminals can be trusted to behave like criminals. That may as well be a force of nature. People who would otherwise probably not behave like criminals are incentivized to do so because "little white lies" have such a huge payoff from the redistribution machine in the sky for so little risk. People who would never behave like criminals because of dated classical notions of right and wrong are dropping out of the program as they wake up to the idea that rectitude is the sucker's bet standing between them and their piece of someone else's pie. Would you jump off a bridge just because every other kid in the neighborhood was doing it? How about if jumping was all gain and no pain? The insurrection is that constitutional government cannot work in this environment where outright lying has no consequences. In effect, our Constitution is null and void, and The United States of America has already been overthrown.

104 Vandala also toppled a statue of the Ten Commandments in front of an evangelical Group headquarters in DC. We will have no other commandments that that of our faux god Barack Obama and no theology but leftism. Bah!

105 After the CR thing is over -- and this House won't shut things down, there will be a last-minute deal -- everything will go into stasis for the holidays and then the election year will start. The question in my mind is, will anybody notice the difference besides political junkies like us?

106 Well I guess that the marxist subversion of the IRS was all Lois Lerner's idea and the several hundred WH meetings that her boss had with Jugears was just happenstance, (because I don't believe in coincidence). She should be forced to live on cancelled postage stamps.

107 Morning FS, "Grace and peace to you." From the first time I saw you use that I've immediately thought 'Paul'. The Big Guy had him put grace before peace for a reason.

108 Eh, I can't do this today. Time to work crossword puzzles and pretend to work.

109 Our federal government, and the way our politicians operate, is entirely malignant at this point.  We'd better start that When in the Course of Human Events.... thing real soon.  It really is going to be our only hope out of this mess.  I guess if this Obamacrapcare is not stopped, my only wish is that so many people will be so adversely affected by it, that the full awakening will commence and these traitors will be tossed out on their elistist a$$es. 

MPPPP, if you ever get a chance to dig up any fun stories on James Mason, that'd be great! 

110 Morning all. I got nothing

111 TFG thinks heÂ’s a King, we cannot allow him to believe it. There has to be something we can do. Call all the republican senators and tell then we know what theyÂ’er doing to cut it out and work for US for a change instead of working with various lobbyists. I hope McConnell loses his election next year, heÂ’s a useless minority leader. We need someone effective and who will not make back room deals with Biden & Reid! I donÂ’t care if the dem wins over that useless POS.

112 96 8 Cat lying across arm. Typing and witticisms restricted. - J.J. Sefton ____ Brings back memories of when I typed a lot of one-handed keystrokes with our firstborn cradled in one arm. Later, with the twins, not as easy! The cats are more amenable to being summarily thrown on the floor, I've noticed. Good morning, everybody. Grabbing for the gusto today? Posted by: mindful webworker and the tiny keyboard at September 24, 2013 08:12 AM (u57y4) I got my new Goldendoodle puppy, let her out at 4:30 A.M. Then tried to watch F&F in the recliner (cold wet grass wakes her up good). Soon had a puppy and 2 cats with me in the recliner. Being retired isn't easy. :-)

113 109 After the CR thing is over -- and this House won't shut things down, there will be a last-minute deal -- everything will go into stasis for the holidays and then the election year will start. The question in my mind is, will anybody notice the difference besides political junkies like us?

Posted by: joncelli at September 24, 2013 08:21 AM (RD7QR)

 

I am hoping that the Tea Party caucus in the Senate can string things along for long enough that the House won't even be delivered the *spit* Senate CR until after the shutdown has already started.

114 The time, effort and credibility that Republicans are investing in trying to defund Obamacare is a high risk, low yield investment..."

Whoa. Posted by: J.J. Sefton
..............
He's right, of course.  Obamacare can't be "defunded".  If you guys had bothered to read the many articles posted here over the past few days, you would understand that.  It is a futile fight.

The regulatory pieces of Obamacare are probably the worst part and most harmful to our economy.  Insurance companies must start meeting those requirements on Jan 1st, no matter what.  ALL health plans WILL change Jan 1st to meet ACA requirements.  Nothing changes with the so-called "defunding" hissy fit playing out in DC.

115 Morn ya'all...

The Steely Dan documentary in the sidebar is fantastic. I always got the idea they were a bit of what I call music snobs...they are, they earned it.

116 I respect Sowell a great deal. I'm sad to see him on the "why bother?" bandwagon. -MPPPPPP ____ Just read quote, not article, but.... As I've been thinking lately, what can we do when the citizenry is a majority of selfish and ignorant idiots. Like, impeach TFG and we get Joey Boy. Impeach him, we get Jonbon. Impeach him, we get... Kerry. it's just tyrants and fools all the way down. And we are not in a position to treat our tyrant parties as Egypt did theirs. Alas. Sorry. Ranting on cell keyboard trying to be concise makes this webworker incomprehensible... moreso than usual. Must be time to feed the pets.

117 Hmmm, Daily Caller snags my Mitch McConnell looks like a turtle reference yesterday in Ace's post, and uses it today in jest. http://tinyurl.com/lyqsl5z Mitch McConnell or a turtle? Can you spot the difference? Moron/Moronette comments = gold.

118

>>> So, Kenya is saying that at least 3 of those terrorists were from Minn.

 

AMERICA IS THE BIGGEST EXPORTER OF TERROR IN THE WORLD!!1!

119 I'm thinking that maybe NASA should scale back it's mission from 'muslin outreach' to perhaps searching for intelligent life on *this* planet.

120 LIB

121 Posted by: nothinglefttolose at September 24, 2013 08:23 AM (pQdNP) Yes, indeed. Paul ends al of his letters with the word "Grace". Amazing Grace! :^) God bless you today

122 NYTimes Supreme Court reporter Adam Liptak has an interesting piece on web links in Supreme Court decisions. It turns out almost half of the links Justices put in their opinions don't lead anywhere anymore or lead to, ahem, a bit of amusement. You see the lengths people will go to? Purchase the domain to trash a SC Justice.

123 I've long thought McConnell looked like Franklin the Turtle.
And Feinstein is Betty Rubble.
And Waxman is Nosferatu.
And Kerry is Frankenstein.
And McCain is John Fielder (Mr. Peterson on Bob Newhart)
And Romney is Lyle Waggoner. 

124 7.8 earthquake in pakistan, although it looks like a remote location

125

Chi-Town, I don't think you understand what Cruz, Paul, et al are trying to accomplish if you call it futile.  The first step was outright repeal, which is the ultimate goal.  That will not pass the Senate, so we fell back to defund, which does decrease government spending.  The regulations are still there, but if there's no funding for enforcement some people will ignore the requirements and will likely be absolved of wrongdoing when it is eventually repealed.  Plus, if there is no funding, then more people will feel more pain and put even more pressure on their Congresscritters and Senators to repeal the thing.  It's no more futile than the Leftists fighting their battles back in the 50s--you fought this battle not to win it now but to set up the future victory.  Anyone who dismisses this battle in the Senate now as futile has acceded to continuing to just roll over for the Leftists.  If you're not willing to fight for every hill, you're of minimal use to the cause.

126

No James Mason stories, but here's a link to an excerpt from a documentary he did in 1967 called The London Nobody Knows.  It features the only known film footage of the yard of 29 Hanbury Street, the site of the second canonical Jack the Ripper murder:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjIUQqrkJdU

127 7.8 earthquake in pakistan, although it looks like a remote location Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 24, 2013 08:36 AM (IXrOn) Too bad it was a remote location. G-D's aim suck?

128 Without these steps we will continue to pay an ever-increasing price for climate impacts. In 2012 alone, the cost of weather disasters exceeded $110 billion in the United States, the second costliest year on record. *** The arrogance is astounding.

129 NDH, there's an easy solution to that.  Once SCOAMT succeeds in killing the economy, property values will fall and the cost of weather disasters will follow.

130 As I pointed out, last night, that was a bogus argument, that Politico bought, he's been behind single payer for 10 years now,

131 Let this moment be emblazoned on our memory forever. McConnell and Cornyn are whipping Republican votes against Cruz in the Senate to protect Obamacare. Fuck the GOP. Ted, you gotta start a third party.

132 7.8 earthquake in pakistan, although it looks like a remote location *** darn

133 JJ my head exploded too last night when I read that. Still pickings up the pieces this morning.

134 The time, effort and credibility that Republicans are investing in trying to defund Obamacare is a high risk, low yield investment..." Whoa. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 24, 2013 07:32 AM (WjLUf) at least it brought it front and center for a tiny bit of time maybe, somewhere, a voter's lightbulb will go off

135 "Vandala also toppled a statue of the Ten Commandments in front of an evangelical Group headquarters in DC." Took me a moment to figure out who the Vandala would be. Battle lines being drawn. God's enemies seem more clear of the issues than those proffessing allegiance. It's a long, old war.

136 Hey on the way to work today I passed a whole caravan of trucks bringing K-Y Jelly to NYC in anticipation of obama and thus America bending over and taking it from the Iranians and Russians this week at the UN

137

I got my new Goldendoodle puppy, let her out at 4:30 A.M.
Then tried to watch F&F in the recliner (cold wet grass wakes her up good).
Soon had a puppy and 2 cats with me in the recliner.

 

We have two little American Eskimo dogs.  One usually sleeps at the bottom of the bed and the other likes to snuggle between me and Mrs. P.

138 The arrogance is astounding. Come on you know that HC Sandy was the confluence of three man-caused events; a full moon, an approaching low pressure system, and a hurricane. You're in denial if you don't see CO2 as the cause of those three things happening simultaneously. //

139 4 Of course they would attack a statue of an American President that brought prosperity to the USA Judging by the crap in my Facebook feed, it was Clinton that brought prosperity to the US. And Obama is the most awesome bidget cutter since, like, forever! Wish I was kidding.

140 No James Mason stories, but here's a link to an excerpt from a documentary he did in 1967 called The London Nobody Knows.

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Quite intriguing, I must say.  I may have to try and find that somewhere.  I looked it up on IMDB.  It's about time for a remake, now that they've become so immersed in Islamization.

141 Come on you know that HC Sandy was the confluence of three man-caused events; a full moon, an approaching low pressure system, and a hurricane. You're in denial if you don't see CO2 as the cause of those three things happening simultaneously. *** I blame Bush.

142 He's right, of course. Obamacare can't be "defunded".

Wrong, it can't be defunded entirely in a CR.  It can be defunded entirely under regular order.  It can be repealed entirely by the debt ceiling bill.

143 146 Ted, you gotta start a third party.

Leftists would just subvert that one, too. Who was the face of the "Tea Party" just a few short years ago? Oh yeah, Marco Rubio.

Posted by: MegaIndependento at September 24, 2013 08:47 AM (uvaJ1)

 

That one's on us.  We should have encouraged ace's unseemly habits with Rubio's trash can, might have spared us a lot of heartbreak these past 12 months.

144 The arrogance is astounding. "We, by our mighty outstretched hand will control the winds and the waves " Obama hath spoken Their knowledge of history is limited it seems. There was a mini ice age in the 16rth, 17th and 18th centuries The Thames froze and writers in journals commented on the crop failures and excessive cloud cover. But.......no......., it's all due to man. We will make all things right.

145

Posted by: Lady in Black at September 24, 2013 08:46 AM (XB5Ak)

 

It's out on DVD, though I'm afraid I don't have a link.  But (in the interest of self-whoring), if you're interested in the Ripper murders, there's no better book out there than Philip Sugden's The Complete History of Jack the Ripper.

 

And, about 10-odd years ago now, I co-authored a book called The News From Whitechapel: Jack the Ripper in the "Daily Telegraph."  It's an annotated collection of most of the major news stories during the murders, with five essays on different aspects of the crime.  Really for the specialist, but I might as well plump for some royalties.

146 That's the New Socialist man, FS.  As embodied in the Obamessiah.

147 Leftists would just subvert that one, too. Who was the face of the "Tea Party" just a few short years ago? Oh yeah, Marco Rubio. Every party has awful people in it. You have to throw out the crap as you find it. In the GOP, the awful people are in the positions of power. We can't throw them out.

148 The core problem is that the Tea Party or conservatives in general don't have viable challenger to Mitch in the primary.  If Mitch were in a fight, he'd be a little more creative with Cruz.

149 Good morning, H8ers.

150 Sorry about the typos but you are all used to them now, I expect. :^)

151 From Drudge link: PRINCETON, NJ -- Six in 10 Americans (60%) believe the federal government has too much power, one percentage point above the previous high recorded in September 2010. At least half of Americans since 2005 have said the government has too much power. Thirty-two percent now say the government has the right amount of power. Few say it has too little power. Hmm, six out of ten. That's more then 52%, right? Almost seems like something a certain political party could use to win elections. *slaps forehead* Never mind.

152 Judging by the crap in my Facebook feed, it was Clinton that brought prosperity to the US. And Obama is the most awesome bidget cutter since, like, forever!

Wish I was kidding.

--

I thoroughly dumped my FB about a month ago and don't miss it one bit.  But, since so many blogs, etc., use FB as a comment system, I still get to behold the brilliance of my fellow Americans.  Just yesterday, I read someone's FB comment on a story related to the gov't shutdown re: Bammycare.  The commenter stated that the only reason the GOP was doing this was because Obama was black.  These idiots really believe this.

153 The White Widow, traveled to Kenya, on a forged South African passport, an issue that has caused frictions with the UK since 2008,

154

Ok.  So the Republican leadership's strategy is to basically play ball with the Democrats without extracting any real concessions until the Republicans have the presidency, a majority in the house, and a majority (if not a supermajority) in the Senate.

Does anyone know what their plan to get control of the presidency, the House, and the Senate is?  Because I sure don't.  They almost act as if it is a natural occurrence, which of course it isn't. 

The amazing thing to me is that they completely ignore 2006, 2008, and 2010.  In each of those elections, one party made significant moves, not by being the "let's reach out and tell mr. 51% that we are just like him" but by having a clear agenda and convincing the country to come along.  Heck, it doesn't even have to be a huge agenda - 2006 and 2010 were both along the lines of - "we will do everything in out power to frustrate the current administration."

155 Posted by: Jean at September 24, 2013 08:51 AM (CMlD4) Jean, The Madison Project endorsed MitchÂ’s opponent early, Matt Bevin. There is a dem woman running against him and some Hollywood producer, sorry I donÂ’t remember who, vowed to get her elected by giving her money, hosting events, etc. Mitch is useless. I just want him to lose the election next year. I donÂ’t care if the dem wins instead of Bevin. I want McConnell out of DC!

156 "McConnell and Cornyn are whipping Republican votes against Cruz in the Senate to protect Obamacare."

Something that can't be said too frequently:

Obamacare is a "trainwreck", to be sure, but as with every trainwreck there are winners and losers.

There are a considerable number of American corporations whose top execs realize that (a) they personally aren't going to be touched by Obamacare, being able to go anywhere in the world for top-notch health care, and (b) Obamacare will be absolutely wonderful for their bottom line, letting them further socialize costs while privatizing profits.

Example: old-line old-time previusly paternalistic firms which had previously offered their retirees gold-plated medical care plans can instead pull the football away, Lucy van Pelt style, and dump those hapless retirees into the Obamacare exchanges. Which will be far inferior to the previous company-paid plans, but which will also save those companies uncounted billions in retiree health care costs.

Conspiratorial? No. Hard cold business reality.

Cynical and corrupt? Assuredly so.

Got any examples? Sure. IBM. Which just last week announced its plans to do precisely what I just described. Plenty of other firms to follow.

When you see sad old highest-bidder political hacks like McConnell and Cornyn quietly shilling for Obamacare, that's what is behind it. An already entrenched lobby for the trainwreck.

157 Thanks, MPPPP.  Those actually fall under my favorite book genre, so both will go on my reading wishlist. 

158 There's something inherently wrong with any system where a sniveling turd like Bitch McCornered gets to be "Leader" of anything. Oh yeah, I forgot......Senate Rules

159 As I pointed out, last night, that was a bogus argument, that Politico bought, he's been behind single payer for 10 years now, Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at September 24, 2013 08:40 AM (Jsiw/) Politico is told what to say. I doubt they believed it, but, it doesn't matter what they believe. They do as they are told.

160 108 Vandala also toppled a statue of the Ten Commandments in front of an evangelical Group headquarters in DC. ============================== Is this more Scandi hate, left over from the ONT? VENDELA DID NOTHING WRONG! http://bit.ly/19w8FNz

161 I don't know why people think I think I'm royalty. I have my serfs put my pants on one leg at a time like everybody else.

162 Any chance this spontaneous?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24208142

163 Can't link on the phone but look up Jack Harry Stiles terrir plot. Sounds like the guy confessed - to a crisis counselor - to plotting terror attack in Salt Lake and got arrested. Doesn't sound political. Anniversary if his mom's death. Not sure how successful he'd be in Utah although there was a shooting at a mall several yrs ago that was lethal.

164 Example: old-line old-time previusly paternalistic firms which had previously offered their retirees gold-plated medical care plans can instead pull the football away, Lucy van Pelt style, and dump those hapless retirees into the Obamacare exchanges. Which will be far inferior to the previous company-paid plans, but which will also save those companies uncounted billions in retiree health care costs. Conspiratorial? No. Hard cold business reality. Cynical and corrupt? Assuredly so. Got any examples? Sure. IBM. Which just last week announced its plans to do precisely what I just described. Plenty of other firms to follow. When you see sad old highest-bidder political hacks like McConnell and Cornyn quietly shilling for Obamacare, that's what is behind it. An already entrenched lobby for the trainwreck. Posted by: torquewrench at September 24, 2013 08:58 AM (gqT4g) _____________________ A couple of points on this 1. A company can't "put" employees on Obamacare. Employees can choose to enroll in the exchanges, but they don't have to. And a company certainly can't force anyone into it. 2. Retirees - at least those 65+ - can already get Medicare. So dumping them on govt run programs isn't some new option that IBM already has. They've had this option for 50 years. I don't buy this argument. Big business as a whole hates Obamacare. You might find some niche examples where they benefit, but overall Fortune 500 is not happy with what's happening.

165 The USA is becoming the Linsey Lohan of nations. The GOP is the enabling friend. The Democrats are the dealer. The TEA Party is rehab.

166 The USA is becoming the Linsey Lohan of nations. ???? Flat ass and flabby low hanging boobies?

167 Companies are cutting benefits.

168 Looks like a deliberately non offensive post from Gabe. Wonder if Ace took him to the woodshed or something.

169

Good morning, people   who live in my computer.

 

To be screwed or not to be screwed, that is the question. Unfortunately  for us, that has  already been answered by our own gubmint.

 

SNAFU.

170 The politics of chocolate rations in Norkland:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24207639

171 When you see sad old highest-bidder political hacks like McConnell and Cornyn quietly shilling for Obamacare, that's what is behind it. An already entrenched lobby for the trainwreck. Posted by: torquewrench at September 24, 2013 08:58 AM (gqT4g) Crony Capitalism very closely resembles National Socialism. We are not supposed to be on this road.

172 Crony Capitalism very closely resembles National Socialism. We are not supposed to be on this road.

Just lacks Mussolini's sense of style.

173 FS, I was thinking of his intro to his letters. From: Paul with a descriptor of himself To: The church/people he was writing to Grace be unto you and peace. Grace put first because until you accept God's grace, you won't know His peace. Gotta go.

174 So when did Breitbart News start spamming their newsletter distribution lists with gold coin advertisements? I guess they must want me to unsubscribe.

175 I get a lot of spam from Breitbart. Also from Newt's old list.

176 I don't buy this argument. Big business as a whole hates Obamacare. You might find some niche examples where they benefit, but overall Fortune 500 is not happy with what's happening. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 24, 2013 09:09 AM (HDgX3) I would buy that argument if they had made more of an effort to stop it. They went along all too easily in my opinion.

177 @50 Miley Cyrus should be forced to watch that until she can twerk right.

Surprised there are no prominent James Mason stories. He was an outcast from the Brit-exile H'wd community during and after WWII. Most either went home to "fight" or joined the anti-fascist cause. Mason was a pacifist, or said he was, and did nothing. He was very unpopular for that, for quite a while.

178 Crony Capitalism very closely resembles National Socialism. We are not supposed to be on this road. Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 24, 2013 09:15 AM (bb5+k) We have put into place an unsustainable system. It will soon self-destruct. Next time, in the Recovering Republic, when somebody says, "There ought to be a law!" tie them to a log and send them down the river.

179 Agree with you, Diogenes.

180

I don't believe the conspiracy nutters here who think Gabe exists solely to troll us.  Accept that he's way to the left of most of the horde on social issues for selfish but certainly understandable reasons and just deal with it.  He's also a DC-area lawyer, so the fact that he even has sympathy for any conservative causes, yet alone actually advocates for some of them, is a minor miracle in itself.  You'll get your harder right fixes from DiT and DrewM, after all.  I don't see constant flaming of CAC for his pro-weed tendencies, and there's certainly plenty of people on here who are not pro-weed.

181 177 Crony Capitalism very closely resembles National Socialism. We are not supposed to be on this road. Just lacks Mussolini's sense of style. Posted by: Jean at September 24, 2013 09:16 AM (CMlD4) Italians *DO* have style, i'll give em that.

182 The regulations are still there, but if there's no funding for enforcement some people will ignore the requirements and will likely be absolved of wrongdoing when it is eventually repealed. Plus, if there is no funding, then more people will feel more pain and put even more pressure on their Congresscritters and Senators to repeal the thing.
................
Wow.. you really have the psyche of the common American pegged there.

American voters are going to feel all warm and fuzzy toward the Republicans because the actions of said Repubs have made their lives painful.  Genius!

Why, this could lead to a permanent GOP majority!

183

A company can't "put" employees on Obamacare. Employees can choose to enroll in the exchanges, but they don't have to. And a company certainly can't force anyone into it.

 

------------

 

When a company decides they aren't going to offer  qualifying  health insurance as an employment benefit any longer  (whether because their existing plans don't meet Obamacare standards or the company just doesn't want to deal with the headaches any longer)....yeah, people pretty much get forced into the exchanges. 

 

Torquewrench has it pretty much correctly.  Business is certainly not above lobbying government to get bennies for itself at the expense of others.  In fact, it's legion.

184 #99. I have been on John Cornyn's website this a.m. Wrote him a lovely note about what a traitorous RINO asshat he is. Hopefully, others are doing the same.

185 So CAIR is now WTF.  Figures.

186 Calling ppl conspiracy nutters is a real winning argument.

187 Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 24, 2013 09:20 AM (sQ0LB) I agree. Perhaps Gabe doesn't want to do a controversial post because he gets hammered whenever he does. The nasty hammering is too much really. He's not going to change his views nor will others.

188 It looks like Washington is the place that time forgot. At least I know there will be a thriving market for my used 1960 Chevy refabricated engines.

189

We have put into place an unsustainable system.

 

What  you  mean "we",  kemosabe?

 

Silly   me, I    voted for adherence to the Constitution,  a robust,  free market    economy,  honesty and common sense.  Which   is pretty much not what we have today.

190 I would buy that argument if they had made more of an effort to stop it. They went along all too easily in my opinion. Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 24, 2013 09:19 AM (bb5+k) __________ Fair enough. But you have to remember who they are dealing with. IRS Agent: That's a nice company you have there Mr. CEO, it would be a shame if we had to do a top to bottom audit of it, unless you shut your trap about Obamacare.

191 The Founding Fathers constructed a magnificent system, but it shares the same fatal flaw that all Socialist/Communist systems share: it relies on a fabrication of the moral nature of man.

Wait - you could say that the FFs know man is a flawed creature, therefore created the system of checks and balances, gave us the Bill of Rights, and in all ways attempted to set up a system of government to preserve freedom rather than destroy it.  You'd be right, but the fatal flaw goes deeper than that.

They tried. It's the closest thing to a perfect system that has ever existed.

Contemporaries of the time knew that a moral populace was the assumption upon which all of the Constitution rests.  I believe that the FFs knew very well that the system they created would one day fail.

The Constitution's core weakness is that it is a "gentlemen's pact" that means next to nothing when the nation is no longer populated with "gentlemen."  There are no consequences for wrongdoing, there are no checks and balances when everything is equally corrupt.

The treasure of the American people, the accumulated toil of those who worked and bled to make the US great - well, that's been busted open like a pinata, and now it's a mad scramble to get as much of the candy as possible before its all gone.

And the gentlemen?  They get to stand in the back and cry while the bigger kids push them out of the way.

Or, they can pick up the stick and start swinging.

192 We are not like Mussolini's Black Shirts.  We don't have a President rewarding cities with high birthrates with new stadiums.

193 If you aren't heating up your phone line to your Senators and Reps, you ought to be. It's now or never for stopping Obamacare.

194 Shut it down and lock it out.  Then force management to come down here and cut the lock.

195 Wow.. you really have the psyche of the common American pegged there. American voters are going to feel all warm and fuzzy toward the Republicans because the actions of said Repubs have made their lives painful. Genius! Why, this could lead to a permanent GOP majority! Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 24, 2013 09:21 AM (AYOav) The Democrats created ObamaCare. How does it hurt the GOP to point that out and try to stop ObamaCare at every junction? How does it hurt the GOP to make it perfectly clear to the American People that the Democrats caused this, the GOP tried to stop it, and they failed because the American People put too many Democrats in office? The GOP can't win by giving the American People a trophy for losing 85 to zip. It just has to stop.

196 >>Calling ppl conspiracy nutters is a real winning argument. So is calling people who didn't agree with this particular strategy, which did not work, RINOs. I'm ok with being of the same mindset as Thomas Sowell. If that makes me a RINO I can deal with it.

197 We have put into place an unsustainable system. It will soon self-destruct. Next time, in the Recovering Republic, when somebody says, "There ought to be a law!" tie them to a log and send them down the river. Posted by: eman at September 24, 2013 09:20 AM (AO9UG) I personally believe much of this stems from the exclusion of religion from official recognition, and much of that is the result of Roosevelt Appointed Judges that deliberately misread the constitution as barring religious influence on Government. There *MUST* be some sort of universal accepted code of behavior for people or a society cannot sustain itself. People must be obligated to control their own behavior based on a common moral foundation or else we will get behavior such as Crony Capitalism. You can't govern a Nation without a common morality. You simply won't have enough police. As Edmund Burke said: "The use of force alone is but temporary. It may subdue for a moment; but it does not remove the necessity of subduing again: and a nation is not governed, which is perpetually to be conquered."

198 If you aren't heating up your phone line to your Senators and Reps, you ought to be. It's now or never for stopping Obamacare. *** My senators are Rubio, who is already on board and Nelson, who was the first senator to speak out against the republicans yesterday. It is what it is, unfortunately.

199 What you mean "we", kemosabe? Silly me, I voted for adherence to the Constitution, a robust, free market economy, honesty and common sense. Which is pretty much not what we have today. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 24, 2013 09:26 AM (0HooB) I did too, but the "we" stands.

200 re: the Reagan statue Must've been one of those Republican arsonists Nancy Pelosi was talking about. It doesn't matter anyway; Reagan was "evil" and he robbed the poor to give it to the rich. There shouldn't have been a statue of Reagan at all.

201 Orrin will do what he wants. My other senatoe is Mike Lee, thank goodness.

202 "Surprised there are no prominent James Mason stories. He was an outcast from the Brit-exile H'wd community during and after WWII."

Coco Chanel was disfavored for a short while due to her having spent WWII busily fucking half the Nazi generals in occupied Paris.

But of course it didn't take very long after the war for the rancid bitch to worm her way back into the limelight, and her very real and serious personal sins were promptly forgotten.

The thing about the entertainment and fashion communities is that since they're always about the Next New Thing, they thus have very short memories about the past. Intrinsically shallow and amnesiac.

203 158 The White Widow, traveled to Kenya, on a forged South African passport, an issue that has caused frictions with the UK since 2008, Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at September 24, 2013 08:55 AM (Jsiw/) Friction with who? If it was forged, it was not done legally. So who are the brits blaming?

204 Happy Bisexual Visibility Day everybody! Have you gifted your porn yet?

205 185 I don't believe the conspiracy nutters here who think Gabe exists solely to troll us. Accept that he's way to the left of most of the horde on social issues for selfish but certainly understandable reasons and just deal with it. He's also a DC-area lawyer, so the fact that he even has sympathy for any conservative causes, yet alone actually advocates for some of them, is a minor miracle in itself. You'll get your harder right fixes from DiT and DrewM, after all. I don't see constant flaming of CAC for his pro-weed tendencies, and there's certainly plenty of people on here who are not pro-weed. Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 24, 2013 09:20 AM (sQ0LB) I think I have a fair understanding of Gabe's motivations and I think I can also say that his differences of opinion are tolerable. It's fine for people to disagree because that's what people do. However, there is no point on antagonizing people about it, especially when you are aware of what is the dominant mindset on this website. Let us all try to reason.

206 If you aren't heating up your phone line to your Senators and Reps, you ought to be.

I'm pretty sure Coats lives to betray me.

207 brb, changin the tone in Washington politics

208 Malor's problem, and the reason he gets so many negative responses, is that he doesn't defend his arguments. Ever. I can easily deal with his differing opinion, but he usually just states what he knows is a controversial point and then gets off on the next floor.

209 I already called but the one Senator is horrible Menendez and the other Chesia says he's against Obamacare

210

3 NJ teens of undetermined ethnicity and race bash a white hispanic homeless man to death.   No reports of an AR-15 being used. 

 

 

http://tinyurl.com/k5dgoph

 

211 Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 24, 2013 09:28 AM (bb5+k) Religion is a poor antidote and vaccine against corruption. We invented every religion and they have all failed to make us immune to evil. We need to invent something better.

212 The most overlooked lesson of the 20th Century: Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, and numerous other collectivist totalitarians cracked tens of millions of eggs and never made a single omelet. Pinochet cracked a couple thousand eggs (if that), and Chile is doing all right.

213 Is there any evidence that the Reasonabe Republicans who are attacking Cruz have made any effort to persuade the Reasonable Democrats they respect so much?

214 btw, the iFlo would be a great name for a colon cleanser

215 Coco Chanel was disfavored for a short while due to her having spent WWII busily fucking half the Nazi generals in occupied Paris. Posted by: torquewrench at September 24, 2013 09:32 AM (gqT4g) She was a hard core anti semite long before the tanks rolled into Paris.

216 btw, the iFlo would be a great name for a colon cleanser ---------- I prefer the ShitPod.

217

I did too, but the "we" stands.

 

I see your point, however  I never condoned nor approved what has happened to our Republic over the course of my  lifetime. I'm particularly  peeved at the people  I  voted for lying to me, for saying one thing to get themselves  elected, and then entering office and doing   the opposite (Dondi, I'm looking at you).

 

I've gotten the feeling that  I've  been set up by a corrupt  political   machine  that   deliberately goes against  my interests   and   what the country stands for and then turns   around and points  a finger at me and says, "Well, YOU voted for this"  when I did nothing of the sort.

 

/rant

218 Unfortunately, I've got Fauxcahontas and Tsongas.  A delusional economic crackpot and a professional widow.  I might as well ask for a night with Morgan Fairchild.

219 Torquewrench has it pretty much correctly. Business is certainly not above lobbying government to get bennies for itself at the expense of others. In fact, it's legion. Posted by: @JohnTant at September 24, 2013 09:21 AM (F3IIA) And all the result of a lack of MORALITY inhibiing said businesses. Decent people don't do this sort of stuff. A-Moral assholes do.

220 Religion is a poor antidote and vaccine against corruption.

We invented every religion and they have all failed to make us immune to evil.

We need to invent something better.


The "good" religions are nearly universally pacifist, and the largest religion in the world relies on forgiveness as a doctrine.

Not a good recipe for a firm stance against corruption, because there's only one thing that the corrupt understand - the threat of force.

221

"Surprised there are no prominent James Mason stories. He was an outcast
from the Brit-exile H'wd community during and after WWII."

 

I didn't say there weren't any, just that I don't know any.  I'll flip through David Niven's Bring On the Empty Horses and see if he has anything to say.

222 If you aren't heating up your phone line to your Senators and Reps, you ought to be. It's now or never for stopping Obamacare.

I don't think Lieawatha Warren gives a flying fuck about what I think. Neither does our latest corrupt, brain-dead Senator, Ed Maaaaaah-key.

Likewise, were it potentially profitable to contact Representatives, I'd have to get in touch with Honest John Tierney, who has yet to get back to me about his piggish behavior at the Benghazi hearings last week.

I think I will just have to let these superlative examples of Today's Political Royalty get along without my opinion.

It is clear that ChoomCare is to be with us forever. The Poppin' Freshes and Sowells of the world have decreed it so, because Process. Of course the Democrats want it because it is another way to subjugate us and steal the last few pennies from our purses. Makes a powerful lobby for Choom Boy's crowning achievement!

223 Call my Senator and rep? I live near San Francisco. My reps think Stalin was a wimp.

224

I'm calling the people who accuse Gabe of being a troll the conspiracy nutters.  Because to accuse him of being a troll, you have to believe that ace is conspiring with him to let him troll, or is too stupid to recognize Gabe as a troll.  Since I don't believe either of those to be the case, I don't believe Gabe is a troll either, and further that it is a little bit crazy to think otherwise.

 

As to fighting on this hill--I'm not saying we must die on it.  But I am saying you must be willing to fight, and make your enemy bleed, on every hill, because short of a Second American Revolution or a complete political philosophy paradigm shift in the LIVs, the long game is the only way we can truly take this country back, and you can't win the long game if you don't show up to play.

 

Chi-town, it's clear we have irreconcilable differences on the way to handle Obamacare.  I haven't heard you offer any solutions today, positive or otherwise, to the problem.  I've made my case for what I think should be done and why, but if you're not behind fighting then you are at best a bystander, if not complicit in the slowly unfolding train wreck that is O-care.

225 191 Calling ppl conspiracy nutters is a real winning argument. Posted by: Y-not on the phone at September 24, 2013 09:23 AM (5H6zj) It's what you come to expect when people have no actual answers for your argument. I'm still doing research on the "natural born citizen" issue, and I believe I can pretty much kick ANYONE'S ass on the subject. There are a *LOT* of Historical Documents which clarify the meaning. I keep finding more every couple of weeks or so.

226 eman - Do it. I don't care if it is only to take up their time, which you are paying for. The problem we have among conservatives, at every level, is that they are rolling over and playing dead.

227 Morning MPPP, how goes your writing?

Would you believe typing away on a second Amazon Studios idea? *thud*

228 218 Is there any evidence that the Reasonabe Republicans who are attacking Cruz have made any effort to persuade the Reasonable Democrats they respect so much?

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at September 24, 2013 09:35 AM (5H6zj)

 

Why would they ever try to persuade the Democrats away from a position they themselves agree with?

229 DL, I'm well aware of the majority mindset here and am pretty solidly entrenched in it.  My point is that flaming directed at Gabe is petty and stupid, and real retarded, sir.

230 Posted by: grognard at September 24, 2013 09:26 AM (/29Nl) You pretty much corroborate my point. "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. "

231 If I call my Senators and Rep, it'll be to beg them to shut the government down,  lock it up, bury the key and burn the shovel.

232 230 191 Calling ppl conspiracy nutters is a real winning argument.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at September 24, 2013 09:23 AM (5H6zj)


It's what you come to expect when people have no actual answers for your argument.


I'm still doing research on the "natural born citizen" issue, and I believe I can pretty much kick ANYONE'S ass on the subject.


There are a *LOT* of Historical Documents which clarify the meaning. I keep finding more every couple of weeks or so.

Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 24, 2013 09:39 AM (bb5+k)

 

You do not help your position of claiming that you are not a conspiracy nutter.

233 Why would they ever try to persuade the Democrats away from a position they themselves agree with?

Posted by: buzzion at September 24, 2013 09:41 AM (LI48c)

Just makes me wanna cry.

234 Jacobsen over at Legal Insurrection pisted his opinion on the natural born citizen thing recently. Sine the Reasonable Republicans gratuitously dragged Cruz's birthplace into their criticisms yesterday, Jacobsen posted a link to his article again today. I can't link but go to LI to see what he write. (Short answer: eligible)

235 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

236 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

237 Representative Government in DC is a fantasy. Washington is a full blown festering sore of corruption that is draining the health, welfare, and individual rights and freedoms from the rest of the country. If we don't get back to a State Rights centric Republic orientation (which is the antithesis of what the scum in DC want), kiss most of what you currently hold precious good bye. Tea Party at the state level would appear to be the only trace of a viable solution to the problem of marxist imposed Central Planning (Obamacare).

238 btw, does anyone elses eyes roll everytime you hear on the "news" about "Americans from Minnesota" are involved in the Nairobi terror attack? Americans...from Minnesota. Yeah..

239 It's Tuesday.

240 Have we seen this yet?

WASHINGTON — A so-called "family glitch" in the 2010 health care law threatens to cost some families thousands of dollars in health insurance costs and leave up to 500,000 children without coverage, insurance and health care analysts say.

http://is.gd/aUrtO9
(warning: Gannett, al-AP)

241 We need to invent something better. Create a new human being ,then. Go for it. Because Atheist regimes haven't done so well in the morality dept

242 243

btw, does anyone elses eyes roll everytime you hear on the "news" about "Americans from Minnesota" are involved in the Nairobi terror attack?

Americans...from Minnesota.

Yeah..

Posted by: soothsayer at September 24, 2013 09:44 AM (ifloA)

 

You'll never hear the word "Muslims" uttered with that.

243 I'm so spitting mad right now. So John "I'm Conservative when it's convenient" Cornyn has also signed on with the Democrats. Fan-fucking-tastic.

244 Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 24, 2013 09:44 AM (/kI1Q) Yep, old news. All Hail Obamacare!

245 Americans...from Minnesota.

No offense to Monty, Zakn, et al, but fuck Minnesota.

246 buzz, I'm the one who threw conspiracy nutter out there, not DL, and it was specifically in reference to morons who posit that Gabe is a troll.  See 185 and 229 for what I was saying and the reasoning behind it.  Y-not was objecting to my use of the term, AFAIK.

247 okay, so we have "Americans from Minnesota" whilst we debate Ted Cruz's citizenship It's madness.

248 The New Soviet Man worked out so well huh Fenelon Spoke.  About as well as Himmler's Aryan Ubermensch.

249 The "good" religions are nearly universally pacifist, and the largest religion in the world relies on forgiveness as a doctrine. ------------------------- Not always pacifist Luke 22:36 (NIV): He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Joel 3:9 (KJV): " Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: 10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. 11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down"

250 We need to invent something better. Posted by: eman at September 24, 2013 09:34 AM (AO9UG) Good luck. If there is something that works better, I cannot conceive of what it must be. Oh, and for the record, i'm not religious. That doesn't mean I can't recognize the benefits of having one.

251 Buzzion, Because some if those assholes need to get re-elected and few of their constituents or money men like Ocare. I am sick of cons being blamed for being scary and unreasonable to the middle when I see no evidence tge moderates ever try to negotiate on our behalf. It's particularly annoying in tge "upper" house (senate) which is supposed to be the more deliberative body.

252 >>> You'll never hear the word "Muslims" uttered with that. Or immigrants. Americans, my ass. And they were placed in Minnesota by the State Dept.

253 251 buzz, I'm the one who threw conspiracy nutter out there, not DL, and it was specifically in reference to morons who posit that Gabe is a troll. See 185 and 229 for what I was saying and the reasoning behind it. Y-not was objecting to my use of the term, AFAIK.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 24, 2013 09:46 AM (sQ0LB)

 

And I'm saying that DL is not helping his claim that he is not a conspiracy nutter with his constant birtherism idiocy.

 

Gabe's not a troll, but as for flaming him being petty and stupid, well today yes.  That can be reserved for the days when he puts up an article and claims its the exact opposite of its meaning, or that Ted Cruz is "walking back" a comment that is not a walk back at all.

254 If I call my Senators and Rep, it'll be to beg them to shut the government down, lock it up, bury the key and burn the shovel. Posted by: Roy ----------------- Why "If"? Just do it..., now. Do not sit silent!

255 RE: Sowell

I fail to see what the high-risk is. The LIVs won't care, if they even hear about it. So what's the risk?

256 You pretty much corroborate my point.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. "

Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 24, 2013 09:42 AM (bb5+k)

I absolutely agree.  I also think that the Founding Fathers and many other contemporaries (such as Tytler) knew this was a doomed endeavor, but they wanted to forestall the inevitable as long as possible.

A corrupt people is not a check against a corrupt government, 2nd Amendment or no.

257 Wow the Mega Millions tonight is a $160 million annuity or $106 million cash.  Might be able to buy a Senator with that amount of cash.

258 The "good" religions are nearly universally pacifist, and the largest religion in the world relies on forgiveness as a doctrine. ------------------------- Not always pacifist Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 24, 2013 09:47 AM (aDwsi) Actually, in the original classical sense of the word- seeking peace- Christianity is very pacifist. The idea being that you my protect yourself with violence when necessary (under certain circumstances), but that you should never seek violence and violence should never be your first, or even second, option. The idea of Total Pacifism- you may never be violent ever- came from other traditions (Buddhism comes to mind, but I'm not sure of that).

259

>>250    Heather....

 

Welcome to Red Life in a Blue State. 

260

I could be wrong, and I HIGHLY advise you check my facts.  But, tonight, I was reading about the operation history of 4th Generation fighters such as the F-15, MIG-29, and SU-27.

Whereas the F-15 has apparently shot down more than 100 enemy aircraft, with no losses from enemy aircraft....

 

It seems the Russian fighter-planes have killed more Russian pilots and spectators at air-shows than the people they were designed to guard against(American pilots in F-15s)....

 

Interesting if true.....

 

261 256 Buzzion,
Because some if those assholes need to get re-elected and few of their constituents or money men like Ocare.
I am sick of cons being blamed for being scary and unreasonable to the middle when I see no evidence tge moderates ever try to negotiate on our behalf.
It's particularly annoying in tge "upper" house (senate) which is supposed to be the more deliberative body.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at September 24, 2013 09:48 AM (5H6zj)

 

John Boehner and Mitch McConnel's idea of fighting is rolling over to expose their bellies like poodles waiting for a belly rub.

 

What I would love to see is to watch Cruz pull a real filibuster like Rand did for 12-13 hours to prevent the funding of Obamacare.  Then watch a bunch of little pussies here who thought it was great that Rand did go apeshit about Cruz doing it because its futile and won't actually stop it.  Even though Rand's filibuster also was futile and known to be futile from the start as well.

262 234 DL, I'm well aware of the majority mindset here and am pretty solidly entrenched in it. My point is that flaming directed at Gabe is petty and stupid, and real retarded, sir. Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 24, 2013 09:42 AM (sQ0LB) I don't always read Gabe's morning posts, but the last one I *DID* read was so blatantly offensive that in my opinion he deserved every bit of the vituperation thrown his way. It was basically along the lines of "You people are stupid" and *I* knew better, but you wouldn't listen to me!" I never understood the Gabe bashing until I read *THAT* post. Then it made perfect sense.

263 I'm with G.K. Chesterton on this: Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried. And I think it was someone here who said humans are rational. I disagree. I think we're mostly irrational selfish and IMO, sinful. so it doesn't surprise me that people are immoral. and I don't think getting rid of religion will suddenly make people less selfish and irrational.

264 What I would love to see is to watch Cruz pull a real filibuster like Rand did for 12-13 hours to prevent the funding of Obamacare. I heard something on the news today about Harry Reid and Bitch McConnell taking some step to prevent ever giving Cruz the floor. I barely caught it in passing, and didn't pay too much attention because I was already angry enough at John Cornyn turning into Harry Reid's little bitch.

265

I could be wrong, and I HIGHLY advise you check my facts. But, tonight, I was reading about the operation history of 4th Generation fighters such as the F-15, MIG-29, and SU-27.
Whereas the F-15 has apparently shot down more than 100 enemy aircraft, with no losses from enemy aircraft....

It seems the Russian fighter-planes have killed more Russian pilots and spectators at air-shows than the people they were designed to guard against(American pilots in F-15s)....

Interesting if true.....

Posted by: 8 year-old boy who loves airplanes at September 24, 2013 09:52 AM (P893S)

 

I've heard the same statistics elsewhere.  I can't speak for F-15s in foreign air forces, but no American Air Force pilot has been shot down in air-to-air combat since Korea, F-15 or otherwise.  I don't know about helicopter pilots, but I'm guessing the answer holds for that as well.

266 You do not help your position of claiming that you are not a conspiracy nutter. Posted by: buzzion at September 24, 2013 09:43 AM (LI48c) And how does doing research on Historical documents make me a conspiracy nutter? Who is supposedly engaging in a conspiracy? That is my entire point. There is not, nor has there ever been a conspiracy. Just massive ignorance.

267 The idea of Total Pacifism- you may never be violent ever- came from other traditions (Buddhism comes to mind, but I'm not sure of that).


Buddhism is generally seen as pacifist, but then there are the Shaolin monks as an alternate example.

I think a more accurate sourcing for the idea of "Total Pacifism" might be the Communist Left.  And not because they actually believe in it.

268 "btw, does anyone elses eyes roll everytime you hear on the 'news' about 'Americans from Minnesota' are involved in the Nairobi terror attack?"

Minnesota in many ways deserves to have its reputation tarred over this.

For whatever frankly insane reason, large swathes of that state were actively in favor of bringing in this horrible indigestible bolus of Somali jihadis to live there.

I'm thinking specifically of the various loopy Scandi churches who got a "social justice" bug up their ass about it, and wouldn't shut up until tens of thousands of these evil, alien, unassimilating killers were brought into the country.

269

Morning all!

 

Outrage After Police Shoot    ‘Well-Known Neighborhood DogÂ’

The Blaze: http://tinyurl.com/mkfepea

 

Neighbors in Valdese, N.C., are outraged after a police officer shot a “well-known neighborhood dog,” WBTV-TV reports. The dog later had to be euthanized due to its injuries.

 

The dogÂ’s owner, Holly Woody, said she arrived home on Sunday night and there were cop cars surrounding her property. What they told her next broke her heart.

 

“They said, ‘we had to shoot your dog,’ and my son started crying,” the woman said....

 

Police were reportedly responding to reports of a dog on the loose and say they found the animal aggressive...

 

Valdese Police Chief Jack Moss told the news station that his officers felt threatened by the dog and decided to use lethal force...

 

The dog did not bite or injure anyone before it was shot, according to the report.

 

Not only did they use lethal force, they    did it WRONG    and    the poor thing had to be euthanized.  

 

If the dog was known in the neighborhood, who   called the cops?   If it was "on the loose"    why    were the cops clustered around the woman's house when she got home, not somewhere down the street?       Does it count as being "on the loose" if the animal is in its own    yard, which is all I can assume?       How many cops are required to   take down a dog?  WHY were cops    the responding officers in the first place?  Why not animal control?     Just WTF?

270 >>> Calling ppl conspiracy nutters is a real winning argument. Sure, that's what they want you to think.

271 Actually, in the original classical sense of the word- seeking peace- Christianity is very pacifist. The idea being that you my protect yourself with violence when necessary (under certain circumstances), but that you should never seek violence and violence should never be your first, or even second, option.

The idea of Total Pacifism- you may never be violent ever- came from other traditions (Buddhism comes to mind, but I'm not sure of that).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 24, 2013 09:50 AM (/PCJa)

 

And the idea that its a part of Christianity comes from the twisted view of Jesus being arrested in the garden and his telling his disciple to not try and defend him after already taking one of the soldiers ears off.  Of course those who push this tend to ignore that Christ didn't seem to mind his disciples being armed.

272 The problem with expecting the denizens of either party in DC to scale anything back is that it is contrary to their sense of personal potential once they are ensconced there. And it is on these cretins whom we depend to reverse all of the corrupt statist trends. Cruz, Lee and Paul deserve support, but until they get reinforcements.....

273 I could be wrong, and I HIGHLY advise you check my facts. But, tonight, I was reading about the operation history of 4th Generation fighters such as the F-15, MIG-29, and SU-27. Whereas the F-15 has apparently shot down more than 100 enemy aircraft, with no losses from enemy aircraft.... It seems the Russian fighter-planes have killed more Russian pilots and spectators at air-shows than the people they were designed to guard against(American pilots in F-15s).... Interesting if true..... Posted by: 8 year-old boy who loves airplanes at September 24, 2013 09:52 AM (P893S) Neither Israel or the USA has lost any F-15 or F-16 to air to air combat or ground to air fire. The Navy "might" have lost one F-18 Hornet piloted by Scott Speicher in Gulf War 1 either from ground fire or from air to air combat. The circumstances surrounding that lose are still shrouded in secrecy and rumor but "evidence' now points to "However, an unclassified summary of a 2001 CIA report suggests that Speicher's aircraft was shot down by a missile fired from an Iraqi aircraft,[6][8] most likely a MiG-25,[2] flown by Lieutenant Zuhair Dawood, 84th squadron of the Iraqi Air Force.[9] Speicher was at 28,000 feet and travelling at 0.92 Mach (540 Knots) when the front of the aircraft suffered a catastrophic event. "

274 I heard something on the news today about Harry Reid and Bitch McConnell taking some step to prevent ever giving Cruz the floor. Hence my stop it with the procedural games sign. The oh so very sacrosanct Senate Rules are extraconstitutional impediments to governance. A representative democracy is supposed to be designed for some level of transparency. Without that, there is no true representation. When political junkies tear each others throats out for weeks over the proper way to play the rules, well, see re: my comments about tyranny. There is no transparency. There is no representation. There is no constitutional order. There is only the exercise of power. Feh. A pox on everyone and everything.

275

The dogÂ’s owner, Holly Woody, said she arrived home on Sunday night and there were cop cars surrounding her property. What they told her next broke her heart

 

I wonder if she hates her parents.

276 Christ told his disciples to arm themselves because according to the prophecy in Isiah, they would come for him as if he were a bandit.  The disciples had to even sell their cloaks to buy the swords in the first place.  He also, you know, healed the slave's ear.

277 239 Jacobsen over at Legal Insurrection pisted his opinion on the natural born citizen thing recently. Sine the Reasonable Republicans gratuitously dragged Cruz's birthplace into their criticisms yesterday, Jacobsen posted a link to his article again today. I can't link but go to LI to see what he write. (Short answer: eligible) Posted by: Y-not on the phone at September 24, 2013 09:43 AM (5H6zj) I have been thinking of responding to Jacobsen's opinion but I'm pretty certain he won't listen. His opinion is full of holes, and I could point them out, but I figure that his mind is unassailable to reason or evidence. He has simply followed the common rut of all legally trained people. They look to what Later day courts have said rather than to what Constitutional Delegates have said. Their arguments stop at Wong Kim Ark (189 and never go so far as John Marshall, James Wilson or Benjamin Franklin. (et al)

278 I'm not sure if what some are advocating is more integration of religion into state governments, but if that's the idea, I'm opposed to that. I live in a state where I'm in the vast minority and where the boundaries between religious life and work & politics are very blurred already. I can't imagine it going well if they were eliminated altogether. But even more importantly, the willingness of some religions - especially Islam - to trample the rights of women, gays, and other minorities is so opposed to the American way that I would not stand for any state becoming an Islamic one. I would go to a new civil war over that. So although I appreciate the frustration many feel about how progressives have twisted (or invented, depending on your POV) the separation of Church and State, I'd rather err on the side of keeping the line between them as bright as possible. YMMV.

279 moments away from obama talking to UN and no doubt apologizing for American again and acting like a complete shit head. pardon me while I go take a huge crap while he talks

280 Heh, NGU I did not know that story, but I'm glad I qualified my answer as any Air Force pilot.

281 MWR that story is very strange.  She goes to the store and comes back to find cops around her house.  And reporting they had to shoot her dog.  If the photo is correct I think the dog got profiled.  "Shot for being a pit-bull."

282 I'm thinking specifically of the various loopy Scandi churches who got a "social justice" bug up their ass about it, and wouldn't shut up until tens of thousands of these evil, alien, unassimilating killers were brought into the country.

My pinko aunt was probably in on that; she was pastor at an ELCA church in a crappy part of Mpls for awhile in the 90s, very multi-ethnic.

She's since moved to Canada, and I haven't talked to her much since she supported the recall of Scott Walker...while I was still living and paying taxes in WI.

283 >>I fail to see what the high-risk is. The LIVs won't care, if they even hear about it. So what's the risk? The term Low Information Voters does not mean No Information Voters. Most of them do hear things if only through the ether. But what they tend to hear is broad brush strokes and not nuance. This is why the donks say things like conservatives are anarchists or terrorists who want to shut down the government just to steal healthcare from the poor. That's the message that gets broadcast and they do not listen to nuance or facts for that matter. So what exactly is the win in a fight you 1) never had a chance of winning and 2) actually lose ground on messaging? Do I believe that some Republicans in Congress actually want Obamacare? No, I do not. It is wildly unpopular and will do great harm to our economy and to individuals and anyone with a function cortex knew this a long time ago. But again, there was no way this was going to get defunded at this time. We did not have the votes. The best strategy all along was to create as much distance from us as possible with this piece of shit and force the Dems to implement as much as possible and then make them own it. We need to win more seats and/or make it so painfully obvious to some at risk Dems in the Senate that they need to get rid of this disaster or it isn't going to get done. Giving the Dems an opportunity to paint conservatives as crazy bomb throwers who hate poor people in a fight you can't win is not a winning strategy.

284 >>Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 24, 2013 10:00 AM OK. I wasn't sure of your position and didn't know if you'd read it.

285 The only check-and-balance that matters is that there are consequences for any type of action.

I see it as a scenario where parents are concerned about an adult child's significant other being harmful, and they try to sit down and tell their concerns, but the adult child won't listen until consequences are felt from the decision.  By then, significant harm may be done.

Consequence is the most powerful teacher on the planet.  Even then, it doesn't work most of the time.

Fear of consequence is the greatest motivator.

286 Sure, that's what they want you to think. Posted by: fluffy at September 24, 2013 09:56 AM --- OK, I LOLed. Thanks for that!

287 Nancy Pelosi Confuses Constitution With Declaration of Independence "And so, it was 165 years ago, 165 years ago. Imagine the courage it took for those women to go to Seneca Falls and do what they did there, to even leave home without their husbandÂ’s permission, or fatherÂ’s, or whoever it was. To go to Seneca Falls, and to paraphrase what our founders said in the Constitution of the United States: they said the truths that are self-evident, that every man and woman, that men and women were created equal and that we must go forward in recognition of that." It is of course the Declaration of Independence and not the Constitution that contains the reference to self-evident truths: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

288 And I'm saying that DL is not helping his claim that he is not a conspiracy nutter with his constant birtherism idiocy. Posted by: buzzion at September 24, 2013 09:49 AM (LI48c) People constantly call it "idiocy" because it's easier than debating it. They've made up their minds what they want to believe and anyone who disagrees is an idiot.

289 Also from The Blaze.  Vandals trespass onto private property and topple an 850lb monument with the Ten Commandments.  Located right next to the US Supreme Court.  And no one noticed it seems.  Well that makes DC Metro and DHS and other alphabets guarding the country seem reassuring, not.

http://tinyurl.com/o6s38ns

290 They've made up their minds what they want to believe and anyone who disagrees is an idiot.

Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 24, 2013 10:06 AM (bb5+k)

 

Hilarious.

291 So although I appreciate the frustration many feel about how progressives have twisted (or invented, depending on your POV) the separation of Church and State,

...OTOH, I think proggs want to wipe out Judeo-Christian principals more than they want the State to be separate from Church--hell, I think they want the State to be the Church.  But proggs encourage our schools and judiciary to push Islam, and force the various and sundry Gaia Worship liturgies and rituals upon us all (mandatory recycling, lightbulb ban, no-flow toilets, etc).  Hardly a bright line there.

292 If the dog was well-known in the neighborhood, my guess is that it was perpetually out of its yard and off-leash, like many around my neighborhood. My dogs are walked, on-leash, several times a week. They spend most of their time in our house, going out to our fenced yard to do their business but not spending hours on end out there. So my dogs - which are distinctive-looking (collies) - are not "well-known" in my neighborhood. In my experience, owners who let their dogs run around off-leash consistently underestimate the intimidation and threat-level their own dogs present. They pass off charging behavior as big nothingburgers. It's very irresponsible and unfair to both the neighborhood and the dogs themselves when something like this happens.

293 Principles.

MOAR COFFEE.

294 ...OTOH, I think proggs want to wipe out Judeo-Christian principals more than they want the State to be separate from Church--hell, I think they want the State to be the Church. --- Yeah, I know what you mean. But I still want a line separating Church and State.

295 Posted by: Y-not at September 24, 2013 10:00 AM (5H6zj) Not advocating an official State religion, just advocating that they stop making war on it.

296 I'm thinking specifically of the various loopy Scandi churches who got a "social justice" bug up their ass about it, and wouldn't shut up until tens of thousands of these evil, alien, unassimilating killers were brought into the country.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 24, 2013 09:56 AM (gqT4g)

 

Lutheran Services may have their hearts in the right place, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.   We have a shitload of Somalis and Sudanese here in NH, and up in Maine and in VT.  They come to this country, get about a month of     counseling to help them integrate, then they're on their own.    I guarantee if you could look at the demographic makeup of the welfare roles here in NH, a solid 1/3 of the people on it would be African refugees.   And what else are they going to do?  They don't speak the language.  They have few if any marketable skills.    

 

You know what that does?  It creates silos.  Instead of trying to become part of the new country and culture in which they find themselves, which is hard and slow,   they instead remain insular   and separate from their new home.  It's easier to stay in your self-imposed    neighborhood   boundaries,    where people speak your language and understand your values and share your history.    

 

But   you're still     going to face the problems of everyday life in America.  You're going to have all the incumbent social ailments that    are associated with a poverty-stricken environment   in an otherwise wealthy nation.    You've got lots of young men and women who are caught between their homeland's insular culture and their new home's     promises -- as seen on TV and in other media -- and find themselves in a no-man's-land.   They're not content with their current situation, but they're not equipped with the skills or   knowledge   to    enable them to   succeed beyond    their   social and cultural confines.     In America you really can pull yourself up from the bootstraps, but if you didn't grow up here and don't KNOW that, you're not going to see it as an option for you.

 

So just like    other youth in poor urban slums and ghettoes, they    seek out something that makes them feel empowered.   In Chicago it's street gangs and thug culture.  In more rural areas it's   cliques    and family feuds    and   bands of bullying jerks  (at least that was MY experience).   In Somali and     Sudanese     neighborhoods   in America's cities,   it's Islamist    jihadism.     

 

And people are SURPRISED that we have hotbeds of Al Shahbab Islamists in this country?   In the upper mid-west and here in New England?    

 

These are the dangerously naive people who are going to get us all killed.

297 Hilarious. Posted by: buzzion at September 24, 2013 10:08 AM (LI48c) Doubly so because you misidentify the butt of the joke.

298 302 Hilarious.

Posted by: buzzion at September 24, 2013 10:08 AM (LI48c)


Doubly so because you misidentify the butt of the joke.

Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 24, 2013 10:16 AM (bb5+k)

 

Oh no its well identified

299 Nevergiveup - You are, of course, familiar with the lecture that Rachel Maddow gave John Bonher re: "There is no such thing as The Preamble To The Constitution"?

300 WHY were cops the responding officers in the first place? Why not animal control? Just WTF? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 24, 2013 09:56 AM (4df7R

Reminds me of that I read a few weeks ago that among some cops, shooting dogs is like a rite of initiation or something? Given how often these incidents happen, it could be likely.... and totally fucked up.

301 Oh no its well identified Posted by: Extreme lack of selfawareness at September 24, 2013 10:18 AM (LI48c) Not so long as you post anonymously it's not.

302 Giving the Dems an opportunity to paint conservatives as crazy bomb throwers who hate poor people in a fight you can't win is not a winning strategy.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2013 10:02 AM (g1DWB)

That's going to happen anyway. Your strategy would not change that, so your concern is ... well, moot.

303 WHY were cops the responding officers in the first place? Why not animal control? Just WTF? ----------------- Why not Tase? Cops have done it plenty of times to dogs.

304
#270>>> I can't speak for F-15s in foreign air forces, but no American Air Force pilot has beenshot downin air-to-air combat since Korea, F-15 or otherwise. I don't know about helicopter pilots, but I'm guessing the answer holds for that as well.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 24, 2013 09:55 AM (sQ0LB)

Actually, the North Vietnamese had more aces than America.

http://acepilots.com/vietnam/viet_aces.html

305 >>That's going to happen anyway. Your strategy would not change that, so your concern is ... well, moot. We haven't tried my strategy so nothing is moot. We have tried yours and it did not work.

306 Giving the Dems an opportunity to paint conservatives as crazy bomb throwers who hate poor people in a fight you can't win is not a winning strategy. Posted by: JackStraw ----------------------- Isn't that the same attitude that has led us to a possibly terminal dependency/welfare state? "Oh, they won't like us, so let's roll over". Or, "We'll regain power, then do something". Which never happens because the program has become so embedded that it can't be exorcised. This is the last trench..., it is now or never. Do you really believe that there will be some future chance to turn this around? Or, are you whistling past the graveyard?

307
Cops like to shoot dogs for the same reason they like to take guns off the street -- they view them as potential future adversaries.

308 Not so long as you post anonymously it's not.

Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 24, 2013 10:22 AM (bb5+k)

 

Dude you are so fucking clueless its almost sad.

309 Ed, did they shoot down Americans or South Vietnamese?  Air Force brass was boasting recently that no American Air Force pilot (or maybe plane?) had been lost since Korea.

310

"I've heard the same statistics elsewhere. I can't speak for F-15s in foreign air forces, but no American Air Force pilot has beenshot downin air-to-air combat since Korea, F-15 or otherwise. I don't know about helicopter pilots, but I'm guessing the answer holds for that as well."

 

I can't speak for that either.  I know Israel, Japan, and Saudi Arabia are some of the biggest purchusers of F-15. 

 

I was just suprised that most "Russian Kills" were scored by  Russians...  Poor design, improper maintenance, pilot error, whatever.....

311 I remember a plane was forced to land in China during Clinton's administration.  AWACS, or something....  Left in China for two weeks?  Had the electronics stripped....?

312 I remember a plane was forced to land in China during Clinton's administration. AWACS, or something.... Left in China for two weeks? Had the electronics stripped....? Actually, it was very early in GWB's administration, April of 2001 as I recall. Got some serious flak for the handling. Quite a bit was forgotten, five months later.

313

"Now the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change faces a problem: publicize these findings and encourage skeptics -- or hush up the figures."

 

The real Inconvenient Truth lies in the fact that the question has to be asked.  Science needs to purge a hell of a lot of charlatans.

314

Vandals torch Ronald Reagan statue at California park

_____

Haters gotta hate.

315

Ed Anger,

North Vietnamese, or North Vietnamese marked warplanes?  Oh, nevermind.  I was talking about 4th Generation fighters.

BTW, when was the last time you went to Vietnam?  I went last year.  You know what I found?  Vietnamese have the dirtiest toilets in the world.  Dirtier than India or China X1000. 

I saw sun-faded signs about promised construction projects.  The signs were 5 years old. 

I went to the Ho Chi Minh museum.  You know one of the reasons he started the "revolution"?  Because the French drank wine...  How difficult is it to get a beer in Ho Chi Minh City? 

 

Not

at

All.

 

I will say one thing nice about Vietnam....  The rats are friendly.

 

It's there for the asking.   

 

 

316 >>This is the last trench..., it is now or never. Do you really believe that there will be some future chance to turn this around? Or, are you whistling past the graveyard? Every trench we come to is "the last trench". Face it, we lost our best and probably only chance to get this thing repealed before it was implemented when Romney lost. Wishing this wasn't the case is not the same as facts. We were never going to get this repealed or defunded with Reid running the Senate and Obama in the White House. Not going to happen. So prepare the ground for the next trench. Yes, I would like to have had this thing killed long ago but it didn't happen and it isn't going to happen now. Better to focus on getting the necessary votes to start pulling this apart in 2014 and ending it completely in 2016.

317

Yes, you are right, Brother Cavil. 

318

The first Thunderbirds I remember seeing were F-4s

The first Blue Angels I remember seeing were A-4s.

 

(Hated the T-38s, Loved the F-16s"

319

The first Thunderbirds I saw were F-100 Super Sabres!  That would have been mid 50s-ish.  One of the soloes did a thing where he flew down the runway at about 50 feet and less than 100 knots, I swear.  He had the nose way up to keep it in the air, and he rocked the wings while blipping the afterburner on and off!  The F-100 burner was either on or off, nothing in between.

 

Holy shit, can you imagine them doing that today?

320 #324 Ray, I saw one of them do that upside down! About 1961.
And, the F-100 wasn't anybody's idea of a "nimble" handling airplane.

321 If only some of you could hate Democrats half as much as you hate the GREAT REPUBLICAN CONSPIRACY!  (By the way, buy my book, "Why I'm The True Conservative And You're Not!")

322 313 Not so long as you post anonymously it's not. Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 24, 2013 10:22 AM (bb5+k) Dude you are so fucking clueless its almost sad. Posted by: buzzion at September 24, 2013 10:34 AM (LI48c) And you are projecting, but don't realize that either.

323 Don't worry. Be happy. BO just sped up the collapse. The rebuilding can start earlier.

324

Glad I read the Newsbusters piece on Matthew Shepard and found out that a leading LGBT publication IS coveing the book, and that the author is gay.

 

Pretty much puts the lie to any crap about the motive for the censorship being concern for the sensibilities of the LGBT community, right?

 

Let's call a spade a spade - this is thought-control by the media, on behalf of Democrats, who need divisive issues to manipulate us with.