1 Good Morning Y'all.

2 hello?

3 Good Morning Morons.  Today is Thursday, September 26, 2013.  On this day in 1960 Nixon and Kennedy held the first televised debate.  The networks have since admitted they set the camera angles to make Nixon look bad in comparison to Kennedy.  Yes, the MFM has been that partisan even then and yet Republicans continue to go to the MFM to hold debates.

4 Massive corruption or simple incompetence by the ATF?  How do you lose 420M cigarettes?

http://tinyurl.com/p5c8xy5

5 anybody home?

6 Asian stink bugs are taking over the US.

http://tinyurl.com/q548yok

7 The State Department has done nothing to enhance security after Benghazi.

http://tinyurl.com/mtul5fu

8 Va Beach school expels students who were playing with an Air Soft toy gun on their own property.  Sounds to me like the next school board election needs to clean house.  Sounds to me like he lawyers will have a field day and the taxpayers will take it again.

http://tinyurl.com/m99s5js

9 Bank lobbyists want to end the tax-exempt status of non-profit credit unions.  If they don't make profit why would they pay taxes anyway?

http://tinyurl.com/kn9282o

10 The EPA admits their new carbon regulations will not impact global warming.  That is true, but only because there is no global warming.

http://tinyurl.com/ljq2r5k

11 RINO King attacks Ted Cruz.

http://tinyurl.com/na4e8ys

12 Pelosi, we should lift the debt ceiling because Obama.  My prediction?  Boner will cave, McConnell will cave and they will get another "deal" as a diaper.

http://tinyurl.com/mn59so9

13 NC black shoots people who are white.  Since NC has a hate crime law why has he not been charged with a hate crime as well as murder?

http://tinyurl.com/p7pudkw

14 A lot of people are confused about the Ted Cruz vote on "cloture".  It is simple, there has been no vote yet.  Reid is playing games.

http://tinyurl.com/lwn3dp3

15 MI investigates SEIU over illegal contributions to election fight.

http://tinyurl.com/kmsm9c7

16 IBD excoriates McShitty.


Cruz wasn't long off the floor before Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a war hero, raised a white flag in one of the most disgraceful Senate speeches ever delivered.


http://tinyurl.com/nya2s2m

17 The greens in Germany have made electricity a luxury item.  The same thing could happen here.  It is already happening in CA and the NE.

http://tinyurl.com/mk24lh2

18 Kindle Daily Deals

http://tinyurl.com/msutbwx



That's it for today folks.

19 I was talking to a conservative coworker yesterday who said that McCain is a better ambassador for the Republican Party than Ted Cruz because he is better liked by the media. He wasn't joking.

20 The country has been spoiling for a real fight since the election of 2008, and now it has one.

The pendulum is never denied. It swung sooo far to the left in 2008 it's gonna take a huge burst of momentum to bring it to the right. But it will, so lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way. I'm looking at you McCain.

21 17>> "The greens in Germany have made electricity a luxury item. The same thing could happen here. It is already happening in CA and the NE." I wonder how that will play out this winter?

22 The pink clouds in the western sky are incredibly lovely. Sun is still below the horizon in the east.

23 That's it for today folks.

Thanks, as always, Vic. About the stink bugs, what's your situation where you live? Here in SE Pennsylvania, they're still around but every year there seems to be fewer. I'm hoping they prefer southern hospitality.

24 I wonder how that will play out this winter?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 26, 2013 06:44 AM (9DDfG)

CA uses very little electricity for heating.  Mostly they use natural gas and don't need much heating anyway.  The NE uses mainly #2 fuel oil.  The big electricity user is the South.

25 19  Posted by: Boone at September 26, 2013 06:43 AM (tIyK2)


If he likes McShitty then he is no conservative.

26 Looking forward to the ride in this morning. 72 degrees and 42% humidity. Probably gonna have to wear long sleeves and a beanie.

27 23  Posted by: Schr�dinger's cat at September 26, 2013 06:46 AM (U2UQk)



I have seen a few around this Summer but nothing out of the ordinary.  CA seems to be the most impacted State but they will be moving East as time goes by.

28 i will get back later but skimming the article he says cons need to take over the GOP. that dog wont hunt, IMO

29 #9 Vic, a "non-profit" can make more money than it spends, it just has to designate a use for that money. Profit is meant more in the industrial sense than the traditional sense in that context.

30 "CA uses very little electricity for heating. Mostly they use natural gas and don't need much heating anyway. The NE uses mainly #2 fuel oil. The big electricity user is the South." Is that the same case in Germany?

31 Is that the same case in Germany?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 26, 2013 06:51 AM (9DDfG)

Germany has bought entirely into the green bullshit and all energy costs have gone through the roof.

32 #25 I'd generally agree with you on that Vic, and do to th extent that he thinks McCain is the model of the party. But he's good on all the issues, I guess just horrible at tactics?

33 There was a coup in the GOP and the old farts still don't know what hit them. The Obamacrats know something happened but they aren't sure what, hence their laser like beam of concentration on Green Eggs and Ham. Dr Suess is their new spiritual leader. What would Dr Suess do about health care symposium coming right up.

34 Also, I expect Germany would not make a lot of use in heat pumps because they also have cold Winters.  Heat pumps do not work very well below 32° which is why you don't see them up North here.

35 "Cruz wasn't long off the floor before Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a war hero, raised a white flag in one of the most disgraceful Senate speeches ever delivered." There is no turning back now. Either the GOP 'leadership' goes down, or a third party evolves. The JEF and his minions are laughing at us, and the world is laughing at the JEF and his minions...and us.

36

Morning, ‘rons and ‘ronettes.

 

 

My well of stories is running a little dry, so I hope youÂ’ll forgive me if I donÂ’t post anything for a couple of days.

 

 

For today, though, I am going to give you a one-minute clip from D.W. GriffithÂ’s 1916 epic Intolerance.  The film, partially made in answer to critics of The Birth of A Nation, is a sprawling 3 ½ hour epic which intercuts four parallel storylines, each selected to represent the theme of “intolerance” through the ages: the “Babylonian Story,” showing the conquest of the peaceful Babylonians by the Persians; the “Judean Story” showing ChristÂ’s crucifixion; the “French Story,” which depicts the St. BartholomewÂ’s Day massacre in 1572; and a “Modern Story” of crime and redemption.

 

 

The clip IÂ’ve linked is the famous tracking shot from the Babylonian story, showing BelshazzarÂ’s courtyard – a massive set (located at the corner of Sunset Drive and Hollywood Boulevard, site of the present-day Vista Theatre) rising nearly 300 feet high and covering an entire city block.  To film, Griffith originally planned to shoot from a tethered balloon, but found he could not keep his camera steady.  The solution?  A giant grain elevator mounted on railroad tracks so that Griffith and cameraman Billy Bitzer could move up and down as they came closer and closer to the set.  It was an astonishing shot in its day, and still is now:

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWbRuhmsHPM

 

 

Hope you all have a wonderful day.

37 The Germans will start wearing furs indoors. It is a good look for them. I am not sure if the Greenies will like little dead animals hanging around Germanic tribes necks though.

38 DAY 324 1,139 to go (1,210 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

39 BTW the last time I saw electricity rates for CA they were running about 15 cents/kw and that was years ago. And from what I understand the NE is not far behind them.

40 ARTICLE V CONVENTION

41 "Heat pumps do not work very well below 32° which is why you don't see them up North here." Heat pumps do not work very well anywhere the temperature exceeds a fairly narrow range which is why you don't see them widely used. FIFY

42 36 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 06:58 AM (zF6Iw) Yes, it's nice camera movement, but the princess has an amazing rack!

43 I was talking to a conservative coworker yesterday who said that McCain is a better ambassador for the Republican Party than Ted Cruz because he is better liked by the media. He wasn't joking.

Posted by: Boone at September 26, 2013 06:43 AM (tIyK2)

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And just how is he a conservative?  Why not George Clooney or Sean Penn, they know how to speak well before a camera.

44 I don't think it's possible to seize control from the Country-Club Set running the GOP at the local level.  They don't have jobs, it's what they do after sleeping in and going to the club for a morning workout.  I like the idea of them fading away without he base....THAT THEY NEVER LISTENED TO!  Because that's not how it's done...

45 Heat pumps do not work very well anywhere the temperature exceeds a fairly narrow range which is why you don't see them widely used.

FIFY

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 26, 2013 06:59 AM (9DDfG)

They work fine in the South and that is what most people use in the South.  Some are using gas packs with them but that varies with the price and availability of natural gas.

46 "The pendulum is never denied. It swung sooo far to the left in 2008 it's gonna take a huge burst of momentum to bring it to the right." You familiar w the expression 'buried the needle'? That last swing to the left buried me in the wall. Plus, they've been hardwiring me leftward. No swing back until I get unstuck.

47 Good article, but I find 'reformation' of the GOP to be impossible. The leadership is too entrenched. The quick way to flush the leadership is to create a new party.

48 I think Germany shut down their nuke plants after Fukushima. I'm sorry, I'm trying to feel their pain but it's not coming. They also had a ban on incandescent light bulbs, which actually produce quite a bit of heat along with the light. Somebody in Germany re-marketed them as 'space heaters' to get around the ban.

49 We also have a ban on incandescent light bulbs. And the energy savings are meaningless.

50 I don't think it's possible to seize control from the Country-Club Set running the GOP at the local level. I think I see a change. I have a country-club (R) who lives next to me. Head of local GOP, has meetings at his house all the time. The mailman accidentally left his mail in my mail box one day this summer. Sitting on top of the pile was a letter from Rand Paul. Last time I talked to him he sounded a lot more tea-partyish then party line. I really think they're waking up and discovering that having a future for their children and grandchildren is pretty damn important.

51 47 Good article, but I find 'reformation' of the GOP to be impossible. The leadership is too entrenched. The quick way to flush the leadership is to create a new party. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 26, 2013 07:02 AM (uhAkr) The problem with third party is it will divide our vote and give a majority to the Leftists. Taking back the party begins at the grassroots level - delegates, community boards and state legislatures. The other part of the equation is the big money donors. Big government policies benefit them, hence the support for amnesty. This will be a rather tough nut to crack. But, what the hell; this sham of a mockery of an "opposition" party is too much to bear. I will not waste my vote on what is now a wing of the Democrat Party.

52 I'll sign on to each and every point made. It's way past time to take back control.

53

Yes, it's nice camera movement, but the princess has an amazing rack!

 

That's Seena Owen, whom I linked to a while back in a clip from Queen Kelly, showing her,  naked except for a fur-trimmed robe,  horsewhipping Gloria Swanson through the palace.

 

Got a meeting, everyone.  See you in an hour or so.

54 Posted by: Darth Randall at September 26, 2013 07:01 AM (Zswg6) He's strongly pro-life, pro second amendment, think MMGW is a sham, etc. It's weird because he also recognizes the media is corrupt, but somehow thinks that the country will go GOP if we "act nice?" I asked him to name one aspect if the party platform McCain has advanced, and h couldn't.

55 "We also have a ban on incandescent light bulbs. And the energy savings are meaningless." -Vic Why do you earth-h8rs h8 us so?

56 Have there been any Reince Priebus sightings during all this intraparty strife or is he trapped between two of Fat Fuck's rolls of blubber?

57 Well, here's some more "good news" about the results of "soft power":

http://bit.ly/14Khofz

Remember when we had a foreign policy apparatus that was smart enough to keep our enemies at each others throats?

Yeah, those days are getting fuzzy for me too, but at least the whole world likes us now, right?

Yeah, right.

Oh, and good morning everyone!

58 I hold no hope in the young Turks being able to wrest control from the entrenched GOP leadership. The tea party must rise up to supplant the gop or the nation will fall.

59 Good moening, all. "8 Va Beach school expels students who were playing with an Air Soft toy gun on their own property. Sounds to me like the next school board election needs to clean house. Sounds to me like he lawyers will have a field day and the taxpayers will take it again." It gets worse... The school chairman has now tweeted the suspended kids' entire disciplinary record. A protest is scheduled for this afternoon at tbe admin building. Yes, the lawyers (alredy retained) are going to have a field day.

60 The problem with third party is it will divide our vote and give a majority to the Leftists. Not for long, I suspect. If it goes like the Whigs within a few elections the third party will become the second one. If I can spitball here, I think the Dems are facing schisms soon too. They are like a barbarian horde of many tribes, all of which would sell out the others to aggrandize themselves. That's fine when there's enough loot to go around. But that's not going to be true for much longer.

61 38. Like the "McCains"!!

62
I will not waste my vote on what is now a wing of the Democrat Party.

John McCain is the leader of the Chicken wing of the Democrat party. He, and a number of others need to be eased out of office. I keep thinking AZ might do that in McCain's case, but alas no...they keep sending the POS back. Grrrr.

63 He, and a number of others need to be eased out of office. I keep thinking AZ might do that in McCain's case I'm tanned, rested, and ready to take over. From Dad, you extremists h8rs.

64 Stupid versus Evil. Hell of a "choice." Dropping out. No more money. No more feedback. No more support, or voting for the vile fuckers. "See ya'...."

65 About the stink bugs, what's your situation where you live? Here in SE Pennsylvania, they're still around but every year there seems to be fewer. I'm in NoVa. In summer 2010, we bought a place out in the sticks, and the stinkbugs were pretty bad. It wasn't as bad as some of the news reports we saw of people's houses covered in them, but they were all over the place. Since then, there have been fewer of them. Some things you can do if you have them: 1. Take down anything hanging on your walls because they love crawling behind them 2. Inspect and repair the caulking around your house because they will crawl behind your siding 3. If you find a shitload of them swarmed somewhere, then vacuum them up with a shop vac and then suck a little Sevin dust into the shop vac after them and give it a couple of hours before you dump it 4. If you find one in your house, do not put it outside. If you don't want to smash it, pick it up with a piece of toilet paper and flush it. Without the toilet paper, it might be able to avoid being flushed. 5. Apply Talstar-D (inexpensive as a concentrate and available on Amazon or at tractor supply stores) on surfaces where they gather Besides the lack of natural predators and parasites, the big problem with stinkbugs is that they find places to overwinter and reemerge in spring rather than just die off to make way for the next generation. That's why I recommend taking all the stuff off your walls. In my detached garage, I have boards bolted into studs for tool hooks and the like. Stinkbugs were managing to crawl between these boards and the drywall. I had to caulk around the edges of these boards to prevent that.

66 62 I will not waste my vote on what is now a wing of the Democrat Party. John McCain is the leader of the Chicken wing of the Democrat party. He, and a number of others need to be eased out of office. I keep thinking AZ might do that in McCain's case, but alas no...they keep sending the POS back. Grrrr. Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 26, 2013 07:18 AM (sCynV) Levin had J.D. Hayworth on last night. He would have been a great senator but Rove and company trashed him good.

67 Dudes! Hot brunette from Blurred Lines vid up next on FNC. I thought you'd like to know.

68

If the GOP were a plumbing company that for the last 25 plus years had lied to you, broken it's promises, performed lousy work at rediculously high prices, would you continue using them?

 

 

And if you complained to that company and their response was; "Hey pal, what other company are you going to use?" Would you still use them?

 

 

I will no longer vote for a candidate simply because he/she has an 'R' after their name. For far too long I've been told I have to vote for the GOP because they're better than the Demonrats, or they're the least objectionable and voting third party is a waste of my vote. Well, maybe. But considering how the GOP has performed, maybe voting for them was also a wasted vote.

 

 

In the future my vote will go to the candidate that agrees with me the most, and if that is a third party, then so be it.

 

 

I will no longer be Charlie Brown to the GOP's version of Lucy with the football.

69 61 38. Like the "McCains"!! Posted by: Secretary of State John Forbes Kerry at September 26, 2013 07:17 AM (xGDj+) Been there since day 1. Will have to add McConnell.

70 68 Posted by: ExSnipe at September 26, 2013 07:23 AM (57ubW) GOP = The Monroe Brothers from "Green Acres," but without the likability... or competence.

71 67 Dudes! Hot brunette from Blurred Lines vid up next on FNC. I thought you'd like to know. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 07:22 AM (9qZgK) Thanks!

72 What was the thinking behind sending Psycho McCain out to scold everybody?

73 Heh...

http://bit.ly/19HjbjV

74 It gets worse... The school chairman has now tweeted the suspended kids' entire disciplinary record.
A protest is scheduled for this afternoon at tbe admin building.

Yes, the lawyers (alredy retained) are going to have a field day.

Posted by: shredded chi at September 26, 2013 07:16 AM (7FgN5)

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First, as a minor, shouldn't his disciplinary records not be available to the public?

Second, the child is black. Clearly the school is racist to consider expulsion.

75 In my little corner, I'm hearing people talking about yesterday's events, which is something these people seldom to. 

Mr. Walsh may be right, the time is ripe for new leadership to grasp control of the GOP.  I am less than optimistic however, that  it will work, because frankly, the problem with the GOP is not just its leadership in Washington.

The problem is also that there are many many idiots who call themselves Republicans, who have no real connection to conservatism.  We have plenty of those folks right here, in AoSHQ city. 

76 CNN and Amanpour going totes gushmo over their scoop interview with the Pers Prez, him all empathetic with the Jews. At least the dead ones. Guy will shave, get contacts, facelift, go into witness protection here, cause the Mullahs have the long knives out for him now.

77

GOP = The Monroe Brothers from "Green Acres," but without the likability... or competence.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2013 07:25 AM (WjLUf)

 

With Haney as their chief advisor.

78

Great article. I am very much looking forward to bringing McCain's cabana boy home for good next year.

79 77 With Haney as their chief advisor. Posted by: ExSnipe at September 26, 2013 07:29 AM (57ubW) Haney = Karl Rove. Winning!

80 First, as a minor, shouldn't his disciplinary records not be available to the public?
Second, the child is black. Clearly the school is racist to consider expulsion.

Posted by: Darth Randall at September 26, 2013 07:27 AM (Zswg6)

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I can't find my Liberal Issues Hierarchy and Aggrieved Groups Scorecard- does "Racism" trump "Save the Children from the Ebil Black Guns"?

81 Here's the key to that entire piece: "Any party that cannot successfully sell freedom and personal liberty doesnÂ’t deserve power."


Winner, winner, chicken dinner.


I am glad to see that others are climbing on my primary them all bandwagon.  (Yes, yes, I know that's not what was said but work with me, people, work with me.)   Yes, that includes Cruz and Paul and the like.  


Our Betters need a very clear and very harsh reminder that they work for us.   It should never, ever, ever be what did Sen. Cruz do to deserve to be primaried.   It should always, always, always be what did Sen. Cruz do to deserve to remain in office.   If that question cannot be answered satisfactorily?   Bye bye bye.  

82 *mumbles* My friends, you don't have to be afraid of me being in the Senate the next two decades.

83 This is a great piece, yes. Sounds like he wrote this just off the high and wonderment of Cruz's filibuster. I hope most of it is correct. Now, it's time to get down to business. Does America still have what it takes to turn this ship around?

84 "New trend of leaving the umbilical cord on babies for three to ten days" (Mail via

85 "New trend of leaving the umbilical cord on babies for three to ten days" (Mail via Drudge) What? It's all natural!

86 69 . My laser like focus needs a tune up. McConnell would ft in well

87 GOPidiot Message: "We don't need you. You need us." == Meltdown! GOP bosses' phones unplugged Senators flooded with demands to support Obamacare defunding By Garth Kant, WND http://tinyurl.com/n4up93q WASHINGTON — Following the epic, 21-hour speech by Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, supporting the defunding of Obamacare, either voters made so many calls to establishment Republicans that their phone lines melted, or those GOP leaders took their phones off the hook. Even in this age of digital wizardry and limitless voicemail, callers could not get through at all to Sen. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. McConneil would have needed to get only 41 out of 46 Republican senators to vote to block cloture, but he would not support the effort. He, and other establishment Republicans, fear they would take the blame for any government shutdown, even though the House bill is specifically designed to force Democrats to be the ones to shut down the government, should they refuse to defund Obamacare. Neither party supporting Americans That puts most Americans in the odd position of having neither the Democratic Party, nor the Republican Party, supporting their position on Obamacare.

88 If that question cannot be answered satisfactorily? Bye bye bye.

Posted by: alexthechick - Really Universe Really? at September 26, 2013 07:34 AM (Gk3SS)

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Clearly Alex is the much rumored sixth N-Synche member.

89 It gets worse... The school chairman has now tweeted the suspended kids' entire disciplinary record.
A protest is scheduled for this afternoon at tbe admin building.

Yes, the lawyers (alredy retained) are going to have a field day. Posted by: shredded chi at September 26, 2013 07:16 AM (7FgN5)


What.  The.  Hell.   Was he drunk and high?


Last I knew, unauthorized release of school records, let alone a minor's school records, was a FERPA.   FERPA violations are serious you guys business.  Not to mention this probably violates any number of state laws on privacy.   Of course, FERPA doesn't give rise to a private cause of action and it's highly doubtful that the appropriate yanking of federal funds will occur because guns but still.  


This lends support to my theory that the pathetic gash who called the cops when she knew damn well the kids did not have real guns is a spouse or family relation to someone on the school board or administration and the school is trying to hush that up.  

90 The mom signed a waiver for the school to talk to media regarding the "air soft incident" as they call it. However, since the kids prior disciplinary problems were a factor in the decision to suspend him, the information was released.

91 I guess it depends on what part of the South you are in.  I don't like heat pumps.  They don't work very well and seem to run all the time.  According to the people who service them they run fine.  But I'm up in the mountains and it does get colder here than the coast.  Thinking about upgrading to a gas fireplace.

92 Double post apology. Unmasked good morning, all. Fog rising off the pastures, sun glowing from below the horizon. It's a day!

93 Morning Science Quiz: In the middle of Maryland's Chesapeake Bay, a tiny island may soon become an early victim of climate change. Smith Island is the last inhabited island in Maryland, a place where residents, hearty watermen who make their living catching oysters and blue crabs, still speak in the Cornish dialect of their ancestors. Many Smith Islanders can trace their ancestry back 12 generations to the English colonists who settled here in the 17th century. And yet their link to this land may soon be broken: Smith Island is eroding. Though scientists differ on how long it will be before the island is underwater, anywhere between 30 and 100 years, there is no dispute about the cause: rising seas. The global trend of rising ocean levels is especially acute in the Chesapeake Bay, where water is rising at twice the world average. To make matters worse, the land around the Chesapeake is sinking: a trend scientists call post-glacial subsidence. According to a state-commissioned task force, Maryland is now losing 260 acres of tidal shoreline annually. Can you spot the error?

94 Julie London- Nurse Dixie McCall There to fix my ouchies after Olivia Newton John cuts me to the bone in her "Magic" video.

95 No, they didn't release records, they did, however, make a pubic statement based on the waiver: "We can share that this is not Khalid Caraballo's first disciplinary infraction. He has been disciplined six times in less than 18 months for increasingly aggressive behavior including harassment, bullying and fighting that resulted in injuries."

96 "If I can spitball here, I think the Dems are facing schisms soon too. They are like a barbarian horde of many tribes, all of which would sell out the others to aggrandize themselves.

That's fine when there's enough loot to go around. But that's not going to be true for much longer.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 26, 2013 07:17 AM (uhAkr)"

And that is why I advocate handing out federal government owned land, including ANWR, in 40 acre units as slavery reparations.  It will drive a wedge between blacks and greens.

97 "We can share that this is not Khalid Caraballo's first disciplinary infraction. He has been disciplined six times in less than 18 months for increasingly aggressive behavior including harassment, bullying and fighting that resulted in injuries."

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman at September 26, 2013 07:47 AM (T0Pku)

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So if St. Trayvon had shot GZ with an AirSoft pistol instead of trying to beat his brains out with the sidewalk his school discipline records could have been made public.

Who knew?

98 Can you spot the error? Answer: If the ground is sinking due to post-glacial subsidence, then the water would 'appear' to be rising, when it was doing no such thing. The harder these assholes try to push the global warming scam, the stupider they look.

99 cory booker and his stripper...... http://dailym.ai/1bddW27

100 I talked with my brother this weekend, who is an elected public official (County Commissioner) and well-connected to the Michigan GOP. His insights:

1. The party feels very good about Terry Land winning the US senate seat being vacated by Karl Lenin. She is very well liked in the state and the likely Democrat opponent is known as a bad campaigner.

2. The internal GOP feeling on the Tea Party is that while they agree with the Tea Party and appreciate the support, the Tea Party unnecessarily makes enemies by being too strident. They would have more influence if they were more cooperative and less confrontational.

Just his insights.

101 Procedural question Can the vote to remove refunding from the bill be filibustered? If it's removed, can the final bill be filibustered? And auto correct says filibustered isn't a word. Hummph. It is now.

102

from the piece, this is completely wrong:

to that end, conservatives understand that rather than form a third party, their only hope is to seize control of the corrupt, rotting hulk of the GOP, which they now can do with the help of a reinvigorated Tea Party — especially with Lois Lerner’s IRS off its back.

We have tried this for twenty years.  We get "conservative" politicians elected, only to watch them get sucked into and become part of the GOP machine. When the machine itself is too corrupt, taking it over is not the answer, particularly when every attempt to date has utterly failed.  With every conservative victory in a primary or even general election, the GOP establishment fights back harder and ends up winning. 

Plus, part of the problem is the big time GOP donors.  The simple fact is that the moneybags don't care about conservatism, they care about business.  And big gov't is usually good for big business.  It helps lock out small businesses that could become competitors and keeps cash flowing from the gov't to big business (and helps keep the flow of cheap illegal immigration coming).  We'll never wean the party off of the big money.

The liberals have the advantage on that score.  Their big donors are either Labor - who want hard left policies - or true believers in communist/socialist thought (like Soros).  So, the DNC doesn't have to "move right" to appease their money.  The GOP has to stay left to keep its money happy.

The idea that THIS TIME, the GOP will wake up if we rally hard enough, is once again, abused girlfriend syndrome.  It isn't going to happen.  The same thing that always happens will happen.  the GOP will say some consoling things, make some meaningless gesture, and then capitulate to the left.

And the same people will tell us that the answer is to work harder within the GOP. 

I know that third parties are difficult.  But, I'm not even advocating that at this point. At this point, I'm advocating killing the GOP.  Starving it of money (donations from small donors, like us).  Starving it of activists/volunteers.  And starving it of votes.

The same refrain will be heard - but that means the Dems will win!!!!  Yeah?  And if the GOP wins, what does that get conservatism?  Nothing.  It furthers the leftist agenda - perhaps a little more slowly, but it still furthers the leftist agenda.

Once the GOP is killed, a new party can start to be formed.  Or, maybe - maybe, out of the ashes of the GOP, we can build a conservative party.

And, before the usual chorus starts about TruCon and all that nonsense.  I'm not even talking about a "pure" conservative party.  I'm talking about a party that is at least remotely conservative, rather than the shell game we currently have.

103 IBD excoriates McShitty. Cruz wasn't long off the floor before Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a war hero, raised a white flag in one of the most disgraceful Senate speeches ever delivered. http://tinyurl.com/nya2s2m Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2013 06:41 AM (zZbNF) Great piece. Aged elephants like McCain make a Tea Party-based third party likely. That would cinch long-term Democratic dominance in D.C. McCain's 2008 running mate, Sarah Palin, told Fox's Neil Cavuto there already are three parties: the liberal Democrats, the GOP establishment, and Republican "good guys" like Cruz. yep I know I've split off. A long time ago, but, this latest display by McCain sets my feet in concrete.

104

To that end, conservatives understand that rather than form a third party, their only hope is to seize control of the corrupt, rotting hulk of the GOP, which they now can do with the help of a reinvigorated Tea Party — especially with Lois Lerner’s IRS off its back.

 

If only the IRS were off our back - they're still targeting the Tea Party the last time I checked (and that was just before I went on vacation).

105

So the neighbor woman call in on the kids.

Some people have too much time on their hands.

106 95 Julie London- Nurse Dixie McCall There to fix my ouchies after Olivia Newton John cuts me to the bone in her "Magic" video. Posted by: nothinglefttolose at September 26, 2013 07:47 AM (d4o2E) Julie London. Wife of Bobby "goddam army jeep!" Troup.

107 Dammit. Defunding (also not an approved word) not refunding.

108 "They (Tea Party) would have more influence if they were more cooperative and less confrontational." Then they would be wildly successful, like us.

109 104 I know I've split off. A long time ago, but, this latest display by McCain sets my feet in concrete. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 26, 2013 07:57 AM (IXrOn) I'd like to set my foot swiftly up McStain's ass. He's a fucking crooked old coot. Won't go as far as to call him a traitor, but his actions are completely at odds with our republic. He stinks on ice.

110 S. Cat

Lets see: erosion, subsidence

111

We also have a ban on incandescent light bulbs. And the energy savings are meaningless.

 

Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2013 07:06 AM (zZbNF)

 

But because the enforcement of that has been defunded, they're still being made and sold.

 

Gee, I wonder what else could be stopped with a full-blown defunding?

112 106 So the neighbor woman call in on the kids. Some people have too much time on their hands. Posted by: Case at September 26, 2013 07:58 AM (9mWut) There was more than one 911 call.

113 103 Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 26, 2013 07:56 AM (sOx93) Stated this up thread but the nub of your comment is spot on. The GOP can and will only change when the big money donors who benefit from big government can be neutralized. How that will happen, I have no earthly idea. It begins with taking over at the community board, delegate and then state legislature levels. If we had an overwhelming majority of Ted Cruz's, Mike Lee's and Louis Gohmert's in the party - and their morals were incorruptible - then this would do the trick.

114 101 -

Your brother may be right, if he is talking specifically about Michigan county politics, but he is wrong if he is talking about Washington.

There is a cancer in the Capitol, and being all nice and reach-across-the-aisle with the cancer is not going to  work. 

115 I just noticed I haven't seen 100 posts by sven in 136 comments. Did he get banned or something?

116 Morning all. Going to my first Yankee game of the year today, and it is the last of the season, a meaningless game, except that it is Mariano Rivera's last game ever at home.

117 92 I guess it depends on what part of the South you are in. I don't like heat pumps. They don't work very well and seem to run all the time. According to the people who service them they run fine. But I'm up in the mountains and it does get colder here than the coast. Thinking about upgrading to a gas fireplace.

Posted by: Case at September 26, 2013 07:45 AM (9mWut)

There isn't a single house in my entire neighborhood that doesn't use a heat pump.  And they are not supposed to run all the time.  If they do someone has the thermostat set incorrectly.

118 "Senators flooded with calls after historic Cruz speech..." Just think of the influence he could've had if he'd not been a joke but syrias you guys like Wendy Davis.

119 Don't know Mr Troup or the "jeep" reference, but if Mr Troup spent his life with her big, smiling eyes being the first thing he saw every morning and the last thing he saw every night, fortunate man.

120 Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) You got it. Like a child's see-saw, the glaciers put tremendous weight on the north east; New York City area was under a block of ice 2,000 feet thick, my area (further south) under 500-1,000 feet, while the Chesapeake was free of ice. So like a fat kid on one side of the see-saw with a skinny kid on the other, the ground rose. It's still settling down, but the global scare-mongers claim the ocean is rising. That article, btw, was from Boston dot com, home of pointy headed liberals.

121

Peeple-hi.

 

I'm still chuckling over Ace getting my goat yesterday afternoon in the Booker/stripper thread. That hasn't happened to me in quite a while.

 

Ace, you magnificent   Ewok you.

 

SNAFU.

122 Cruz wasn't long off the floor before Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a war hero, raised a white flag in one of the most disgraceful Senate speeches ever delivered. http://tinyurl.com/nya2s2m *** Thanks for the link. Great article.

123 The Republican Pary does not care about the average joe working people.  They are just the insiders in Washington that help make their rich friends money.  They should be called the Thurston Howell, III party.

124 New island that rose from sea after earthquake 'emits flammable gas'... Paradise for morons! Visit today!

125 I just noticed I haven't seen 100 posts by sven in 136 comments. Did he get banned or something? *** Yep. For being a bit too tough on Gabe. I understand it is temporary.

126 New island that rose from sea after earthquake 'emits flammable gas'... *** New volcano, perhaps?

127 It's still settling down, but the global scare-mongers claim the ocean is rising. That article, btw, was from Boston dot com, home of pointy headed liberals. Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 26, 2013 08:06 AM (U2UQk) -------------------- They also claimed that water rose faster in the Chesapeake Bay than in every other part of the world. So either the bay is now an enclosed lake with no outlet that is being fed by a massive spring, or liquids have different properties in the Delaware region than in the rest of the world, and doesn't seek to level with the Atlantic. Or maybe they're a bunch of fucking idiots.

128 sven .... Did he get banned or something?

Yep. For being a bit too tough on Gabe.

I understand it is temporary.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

Blasphemer! Stone him!

129 EoJ

Sven, according to Mætenloch, was given a time out. Something to do with bad mouthing the cobs.

130 I know I've split off. A long time ago, but, this latest display by McCain sets my feet in concrete. *** It was one of the most shameful acts by a Congressman I've ever seen. Pure spite.

131 And the energy savings are meaningless.

Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2013 07:06 AM (zZbNF)

Math is hard.

I'll bet that if you add in the cost of recycling and the additional weight of the bulbs (shippers charge by weight!), there is no savings at all.

132 Lacking as we do any sense of consistency and shame, we feel compelled to point out to you wingnuts that Ted Cruz is not an authentic Hispanic.

His mother is white.

In his formative years he was raised abroad.

His upbringing was solidly middle class white.

His educational pedigree is entirely elitist.

And so he shares nothing of the life experiences that would qualify him as being authentically Hispanic.
 
Cruz is basically a faux Hispanic; he is really just a white guy with some superficial Hispanic traits; name, appearance, etc.

Thought you should know.

133 New island that rose from sea after earthquake 'emits flammable gas'... Paradise for morons! Visit today! As part of our islamist outreach program we have designated the island as the fourth holiest site in islam and under sharia law. Unfortunately, infidel, you are not welcome.

134

Good morning

 

Like I was saying above, taking over the GOP is a fool's errand. This is the intra-party Lucy's Football: We always try to take it over, every other election cycle, and we get a beachhead of conservatives in, they do some gestures, the RINOs make some concessions, and we go back to losing.

 

The GOP brand is dogshit, serious you guys. Nobody outside of our mutually-hating tribes are going to vote GOP and the Establishment [however you define that] will never let anything go, nor change that branding in a way that cons will accept. That is the recipe for future failshit for as long as you can predict.

 

When the Repubs were founded they were a Third Party in Wisconsin. They lost their first elections, but didn't give up, and became more militant. They found their spines and people flocked to them. Possibly when the Tea Party gets over its own shit or get off the pot moment, they'll do the same.

 

For my money, I'd nominate Ben Carson on the Libertarian ticket, but YMMV.

135 they're a bunch of fucking idiots.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013

Not completely true. Some are corrupt shills.

136 New volcano, perhaps? --------------- According to the story, it's just a massive mud flat and it won't be there long.

137

"To that end, conservatives understand that rather than form a third party, their only hope is to seize control of the corrupt, rotting hulk of the GOP, which they now can do with the help of a reinvigorated Tea Party — especially with Lois Lerner’s IRS off its back."

 

 

Proof, please, the IRS has been leashed?

138 If only the IRS were off our back - they're still targeting the Tea Party the last time I checked (and that was just before I went on vacation). I cannot believe the administration and the democrat party closed ranks around Lerner and Hull. The IRS is the most critical piece of the democrat party's electoral power. The IRS is the carburetor on the redistribution engine. Why didn't the left just pick somebody--any one of their own--to throw under the bus to salvage whatever integrity remains in the IRS? As twisted as the democrat assertion that income taxes are "voluntary" is, there is a kernel of truth there. I stopped using my old tax preparer about ten years ago because I thought she was too aggressive, and I didn't want to risk attention. Now that I suspect the fuckers wouldn't think twice about checking my contributions history with the FEC and initiating an audit on that alone, I have to redo that particular cost/benefit calculation. They're being either really stupid or really cocky.

139  "They (Tea Party) would have more influence if they were more cooperative and less confrontational."  No offense to your brother but I believe the problem can be summed up by the fact that my first response to that was go fuck a duck. I have had my head patted and told to be a nice girl and play well with others for several years and it has achieved exactly nothing. I am told to be less confrontational with people who at their best deny my very existence and who believe that I really want to kill widows orphans and puppies. I'm done with debate rules and being ever so polite. The Left started this descent it bare knuckled brawling. Game on bitches. Game on.

140 S. Cat @ 94-
Bay waters at Smith Island rising at twice the world average? The water don't lie. That's why we have liquids in 'spirit' levels. Global warming cultists are the bastard children of Rachel Carson.

141 120 Don't know Mr Troup or the "jeep" reference, but if Mr Troup spent his life with her big, smiling eyes being the first thing he saw every morning and the last thing he saw every night, fortunate man. Posted by: nothinglefttolose at September 26, 2013 08:06 AM (Nsomq) Actor. He had a bit part in "MASH" the movie. Better known for the TV show "Emergency!" where he co-starred with Julie London. Also an accomplished musician, he wrote the song "Route 66."

142 MSNBC Brane Thrust and Liberal commentariat at September 26, 2013 08:12 AM (YBusZ) We on the left are kinda digging Cruz. After all, his daddy was a Cuban communist. So he's like Castro's son or something.

143 Huh. If you're going to bad mouth a cob, pick on Andy. His deep shame over his many shortcomings will keep him from retaliation.

144 96 No, they didn't release records Ohh... I just saw the talking head on local news saying that. School is waivering between "they were in danger because fhey were in the street" and "guns too close to a bus stop"

145 "So either the bay is now an enclosed lake with no outlet that is being fed by a massive spring, or liquids have different properties in the Delaware region than in the rest of the world, and doesn't seek to level with the Atlantic." That struck me as awfully funny. But it could happen... like it did in Japan...

146

Math is hard.

 

I'll bet that if you add in the cost of recycling and the additional weight of the bulbs (shippers charge by weight!), there is no savings at all.

 

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2013 08:12 AM (gqgiP)

 

Add to it most of the "long-life" alternatives (specifically halogen and LED), well, aren't.  A bar I sometimes play cribbage at replaced its Legacy Edison Bulbs with fancy LEDs less than 2 years ago.  Nearly a third of them have already burned out.

147 Game on bitches. Game on.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at September 26, 2013 08:15 AM (ZXylp)

Alinsky's "Rules For Conservatives" needs to be written, read, and followed.

148

they're a bunch of fucking idiots.

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013

 

Not completely true. Some are corrupt shills.

 

Posted by: Uncle Tommy at September 26, 2013 08:13 AM (VWfCN)

 

How about fucking corrupt idiot shills?

149 How about fucking corrupt idiot shills? Posted by: steveegg at September 26, 2013 08:18 AM (o44nj) ---------------. Stop drilling - you struck oil.

150 We have tried this for twenty years. We get "conservative" politicians elected, only to watch them get sucked into and become part of the GOP machine. When the machine itself is too corrupt, taking it over is not the answer, particularly when every attempt to date has utterly failed. With every conservative victory in a primary or even general election, the GOP establishment fights back harder and ends up winning. *** Part of that problem is attributable to the fact that the new guys need mentors to show them the ropes and, at present, those stepping up are the shits like McCain. One doesn't need to look far to see the influence he's had over junior senators: Ayotte and Rubio, not to mention Flake and, well, his pal Graham. NOW, we have a few conservatives in the House and Senate who can take the hands of the new folks and guide them. It will be imperative, however, to clean house of the McCains or they will continue to take the juniors under their wings and thoroughly eff them, and us, up. If the new guys need an older statesman to look up to, perhaps a Sessions or Coburn will do the trick.

151 Vic, I have subscribed to IBD editorials for 5 years, maybe longer. I especially enjoyed last nights editorial when they wrote that it was time to pass torch from McCains to Cruzes. Also suggested John find one of the many fine retirement homes in AZ. JJ Sefron , I spent most of my day at AOSHQ & did not see any posts from you . Is everything okay? Carol

152 Nearly a third of them have already burned out.

Posted by: steveegg at September 26, 2013 08:17 AM (o44nj)

I just installed one LED because it was on sale at Costco. I saved the box, wrote down the date of installation, and will see for myself whether it is going to last 23 years. Yeah, that's what they claim.

153

Attentin, your attention please - in less than 8 minutes, the inevitable final downward revision to 2Q GDP will happen.

 

Place your bets on how far under the 2.5% annualized "real" growth this revision will be.  Prop bet - California will not have reported its initial jobless claims for the third week in a row, driving that roughly 30K lower than it would otherwise be.

154 Popular Science silences its comments section Explaining that comments are bad for science and backing it up with -- well, science -- the 141-year-old magazine is shutting down the comments section on its Web site. http://tinyurl.com/BecauseShutUp / clever tiny url is clever

155 "They (Tea Party) would have more influence if they were more cooperative and less confrontational."

--

Yeah, somehow, that never seems to affect the majority radical elements that have taken over the Democrat party. 

156

Stop drilling - you struck oil.

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 08:20 AM (JDIKC)

 

Time to pump the well dry.

157

Like I was saying above, taking over the GOP is a fool's errand. This is the intra-party Lucy's Football: We always try to take it over, every other election cycle, and we get a beachhead of conservatives in, they do some gestures, the RINOs make some concessions, and we go back to losing.

 

Not to fuss too much, but I  believe that may be easier than you think. The TP has been fairly effective in bypassing the national GOP  by donating money directly to candidates. Look at the progress   made in just a few short  years.  Social media and this Intarwebz thingy have helped a lot, along with talk radio.

 

Found a Rush  clip from  yesterday where he pointed out the Grand Canyon-sized schism in American politics and how Cruz   highlighted this with his speech. It certainly didn't take long for the likes of McLame and Peter "Peter" King to start bashing him and expose  themselves for the liberals they really are. These appeasers are way past their expiration date and need to be replaced asap. Now they're feeling the fire from conservatives (whom they've ignored) and they're getting a bit uncomfortable.

 

 Good.

158 152 JJ Sefron , I spent most of my day at AOSHQ & did not see any posts from you . Is everything okay? Carol Posted by: CarolT at September 26, 2013 08:21 AM (z4WKX) Out early yesterday and gone until the afternoon, so I missed posting the countdown. I appreciate your concern! PS: Who's Sefron?

159 Posted by: CarolT at September 26, 2013 08:21 AM (z4WKX)

He escaped!

160 Part of that problem is attributable to the fact that the new guys need mentors to show them the ropes and, at present, those stepping up are the shits like McCain. When McCain entered the senate, he was mentored by the Keating Four--all democrats--who found him easy pickings to play the patsy that made the scandal the bipartisan Keating Five.

161 CBD Excellent idea, Alinsky's Rules for Conservatives, who should we get to write it ? ( ! Carol

162 Somebody is making a killing charging five bucks for a light bulb.

163 "ARTICLE V CONVENTION"

Attended by the likes of John McQueeg and all the other statist pricks currently making all our lives miserable - no thanks.

I've solidified my position that the only thing that even has a prayer of saving us is a military-run reset.  A benign coup. 

We're so far off the Constitutional reservation that Constitutional means just can't work anymore.  It's over.

164 PS: Who's Sefron? Dunno. But, I'm just mad about Sefron. Sefron's mad about me.

165 Germany has been trying to shut down their nukes for years.  A power source that produces virtually no carbon waste, is reliable and cheap - so shut it down and hope for wind and sunshine!  Idiots.

It's the same here.  You always hear libtards talk about "all of the above" approach to energy, yet we have seen no new nuke plants in the US in decades.

Germany is our future folks.

166 How about fucking corrupt idiot shills? Posted by: steveegg at September 26, 2013 08:18 AM (o44nj) ---------------. Stop drilling - you struck oil. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 08:20 AM (JDIKC) Needs an "incoherent" in there somewhere.

167 I have those curly CFLs in my lamps in the living room.  U used to burn my reading lamp about 16 hours a day until I traded in my unlit Kindle for a Samsung tablet.  I have had the bulb in that lamp for 5 years now and it is still going strong.   I had been replacing the old style bulbs in that lamp about every month and a half.


That being said, even at 16 hours a day what do you save?   70 watts times 16 hours =  1120W or about 7 cents worth here. Lighting is a miniscule load compared to stuff like your hot water heater and A/C.

168 Attended by the likes of John McQueeg and all the other statist pricks currently making all our lives miserable - no thanks.

--

I think the major thrust, at least from Levin's interpretation, is that none of Congress is to be involved.  It all resides at the state level. 

169 It's the same here. You always hear libtards talk about "all of the above" approach to energy, yet we have seen no new nuke plants in the US in decades.

Germany is our future folks.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 26, 2013 08:28 AM (AYOav)

GA Power is building two new nukes at their Augusta site.

170 Thanks J.J So he got to work with her too? Hmm, Dr Brackett?

171

>>>Not to fuss too much, but I believe that may be easier than you think. The TP has been fairly effective in bypassing the national GOP by donating money directly to candidates. Look at the progress made in just a few short years. Social media and this Intarwebz thingy have helped a lot, along with talk radio.

 

Politely, and its final, but I have to disagree. The GOP brand is dogshit, really. Go ahead and take over the dogshit if you want, but it still stinks to those you want for votes. Its just bad strategy and the TP needs to stop wasting its time. Hell, I could easily make the case that the TP brand is dogshit, too.

 

If you need a different way to get it, think of how Liberals change names to Progressive and vice versa, and understand why they do it.

172 I've solidified my position that the only thing that even has a prayer of saving us is a military-run reset. A benign coup.

We're so far off the Constitutional reservation that Constitutional means just can't work anymore. It's over.
Posted by: Jaws
...........
No thanks!  There is nothing "benign" about a coup.

173 When McCain entered the senate, he was mentored by the Keating Four--all democrats--who found him easy pickings to play the patsy that made the scandal the bipartisan Keating Five. *** the dude has GOT TO GO! It was mostly overlooked here but I've linked it in the past. McCain got his paws into Rubio long before the amnesty sham. http://bit.ly/1fHtVF4

174 Hey, remember when John Effing Kerry almost asked John McCain to be his running mate? And then four years later... Yeah.

175 I heard incandescent bulbs killed polar bears, but the curly flourescents had all that mercury that's a bad thing in dental fillings and vaccines. So I tried those LSD alternatives. I've saved a fortune. Dazzling bright colorful lights, many beyond the visible spectrum. Plus I have the loveliest chats with my fingernails.

176 164 "ARTICLE V CONVENTION" Attended by the likes of John McQueeg and all the other statist pricks currently making all our lives miserable - no thanks. I've solidified my position that the only thing that even has a prayer of saving us is a military-run reset. A benign coup. We're so far off the Constitutional reservation that Constitutional means just can't work anymore. It's over. Posted by: Jaws at September 26, 2013 08:26 AM (4I3Uo) The STATE LEGISLATURES appoint the delegates and propose the amendments! That's the whole point; to bypass the Congress. Sheesh.

177 No thanks! There is nothing "benign" about a coup. Yeah, partisan tax collection agencies are much better in terms of constitutionality.

178 War on Women: Baboon Gets Frisky With Reporter During Live TV Remote


http://tinyurl.com/ms9qp28

179 "I think the major thrust, at least from Levin's interpretation, is that none of Congress is to be involved. It all resides at the state level."

Good luck to him.   Ain't no way that'll be allowed to happen without infiltration.  Some folks have too much power to lose and they will do anything- literally anything - to keep it.

180 If you're going to bad mouth a cob, pick on Andy. His deep shame over his many shortcomings will keep him from retaliation. Posted by: Empire of Jeff ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plus, he's a northeast RINO...

181 165 PS: Who's Sefron? Dunno. But, I'm just mad about Sefron. Sefron's mad about me. Posted by: Mellow Yellow--that's right! at September 26, 2013 08:27 AM (V3kRK) I got yer "E-Leck-trickle bo-nan-oh" right here!

182 This just in - 2Q GDP unrevised at 2.5%, initial and continuing jobless claims still bullshit because California hasn't exactly caught up despite CNBC's claims they have.

183 The STATE LEGISLATURES appoint the delegates and propose the amendments! One word: California. No. Thanks.

184 171 Thanks J.J So he got to work with her too? Hmm, Dr Brackett? Posted by: nothinglefttolose at September 26, 2013 08:30 AM (r60DJ) http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0873757/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm#trivia

185 I've left the DOPe and things like McCain's disgusting behavior of late only reinforces to me the wisdom of my decision. But it makes me sad, I do admit. I still remember the thrill of getting my first voter registration so I could vote for Reagan when he ran for his second term (the first election I could vote in.) Good times, good times.

186 184 The STATE LEGISLATURES appoint the delegates and propose the amendments! One word: California. No. Thanks. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 26, 2013 08:34 AM (659DL) In case you haven't heard, we have 56 other states in the union! Sheesh, bis.

187 2Q GDP unrevised at 2.5% Bullshit. Next.

188 Part of that problem is attributable to the fact that the new guys need mentors to show them the ropes and, at present, those stepping up are the shits like McCain. One doesn't need to look far to see the influence he's had over junior senators: Ayotte and Rubio, not to mention Flake and, well, his pal Graham.

NOW, we have a few conservatives in the House and Senate who can take the hands of the new folks and guide them.

It will be imperative, however, to clean house of the McCains or they will continue to take the juniors under their wings and thoroughly eff them, and us, up.

If the new guys need an older statesman to look up to, perhaps a Sessions or Coburn will do the trick.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 08:20 AM (DmNpO)

This isn't accurate.  There have always been "a few" conservatives in the Senate or House.  If your assessment made any sense, or if it were that easy - just elect a few conservatives - we would be there already.

Plus, I like some of the "conservative" Senators, but where are they really on most of this stuff?  And in the house, they all start changing tune as they move up the hierarchy - see Cantor and Ryan.  As much as I like Rand and Cruz, the only reason that Rand and Cruz are bucking the party as much as they are right now is both have their eye on the presidential primary and want to corner the conservative base.  Once that primary is over, both will move into the GOP mainstream.

The problem is twofold:

(1) the nature of politicians - most politicians, even ones that seem rock-ribbed conservative, care more about winning and staying in power than anything else.  So, their principals are very malleable. And promising "free stuff" and an easy "middle road" where there are no sacrifices is much easier to do than to tell the truth and follow good policy.  So, even the most conservative seeming politician is likely to fold once in office.

(2) the nature of the party.  the party was not started as a conservative party (in the sense we have talked about American conservatism since about the 1960s). So, the party was not built up as a conservative party.  And, like all political parties, the GOP does not exist to serve an ideological function.  The GOP exists to perpetuate itself and keep its politicians in office and keep money flowing to its staffers, consultants, appointees, campaign professionals, etc. In order to change the GOP, we don't have to just elect conservative politicians, we have to get rid of:

(a) the big money donors who care more about business than conservatism - and big gov't is generally good for big business;

(b) the infrastructure of the party - the staffers, the aides, the consultants, the GOP leaning lobbyists, the campaign professionals and everyone else who makes up the professional GOP establishment.  Those people - all those "anonymous" tipsters who hate conservatives and conservatism are always working against conservatism (because, in large part, point I above, but also because these people never had conservative principals - they are in it for the game aspects of it and the sense of status/power it gives them.

And, the same is true at every level.  Local, county, state and Federal.  The idea that we are going to change what the GOP is within the next 50 years is simply not reasonable.  it is not going to happen.  We may inch it right every 2 years during the election cycle, but it will always move back.

189 I've solidified my position that the only thing that even has a prayer of saving us is a military-run reset. A benign coup. My bet is on a spontaneous dissolution into smaller political units when the currency fails. This is why my thoughts are so full of ugly shit. Rather than spend time thinking about how to right things, I've been thinking about how things got this way.

190 Where has OSP been? 

191 McCain hates Cruz , I'm sure most of it is because he's jealous. Reid tried several times to get Cruz to let McStain talk for 15 minutes near the end of Cruz 's allotted time . Cruz refused. Bevel L , it was probably McStain's idea to give dem response . Go read Ace post from last night , he is a dem & almost officially switched in 2002 because he didn't get along well with republican caucus . Someone who once worked for him posted what he's really like in comment # 600 or #601 yesterday afternoon in Ace's first post of the day @ 11:47 am

192 According to the story, it's just a massive mud flat and it won't be there long.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2013 08:14 AM (JDIKC)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You  should  claim  it  for  your  empire,  a  gassy  mud  flat  sounds  perfect  for  a  theater  major.

193 Where has OSP been? *** Writing?

194 My bet is on a spontaneous dissolution into smaller political units when the currency fails. Texmerica. Texas would make a fine new first state for the new Republic, with it's size, population, resources and both land and ocean ports. Add in all the red states of the south and west and we've got one kickass nation. I'd have to move, but so be it.

195 I've been thinking about how things got this way. A. National serious switch in "off" position since the Wall came down. B. The media making a total transformation to infotainment rather than news. C. The hijacking of education by what can only be described as intellectually dishonest shithooks.

196 on FNC now, Joe Arpaio has replaced meat for prisoners with soy. He said, "If they don't like it, don't go to jail." It will save them over $100k each year.

197 "No thanks! There is nothing "benign" about a coup."

I never said it was a great thing for our "republic" not that it would definitely turn out well.  It's just that  I put slightly more faith  in our military cleaning house and resetting to a proper American federal government than I do our current ruling class.   This slide toward oblivion cannot be stopped or reversed  by anything less than drastic means at this point. 

You may disagree, but my faith in the ballot box as it is currently constituted  is officially gone.

198
This is why my thoughts are so full of ugly shit. Rather than spend time thinking about how to right things, I've been thinking about how things got this way.

--

It's hard not to.  How did we go from young ladies hoping to fill their dance cards to modern day young "ladies" thinking it's perfectly fine to broadcast, to all who will listen, about masturbating with a vibrator on the subway?  We've fallen pretty far into the stinky, slimy sewer. 

199 Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at September 26, 2013 08:37 AM (rXcBX) ---------------- You just made the list, buddy.

200 I got my cancellation letter from Aetna today.  Thanks Obama!  Now I have to figure out the OFuckyacare exchange for MD.  Is this the point where I go without insurance and buy it if I get sick?

201 196 I've been thinking about how things got this way. A. National serious switch in "off" position since the Wall came down. B. The media making a total transformation to infotainment rather than news. C. The hijacking of education by what can only be described as intellectually dishonest shithooks. ITA with every word. I would add: D. Politicians giving away "free" (read: other people's) stuff to get elected. Once the Pandora's Box of free stuff is opened, it can never be closed.

202 GA Power is building two new nukes at their Augusta site.

Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2013 08:30 AM (zZbNF)

That is very good news.

What kind of design?

203 184 The STATE LEGISLATURES appoint the delegates and propose the amendments! One word: California. No. Thanks. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 26, 2013 08:34 AM (659DL) They get the same number of votes as Utah, and the agenda is a piece of common legislation - passed by 35 other States and then has to ratified by 39 States. California will get screwed.

204 on FNC now, Joe Arpaio has replaced meat for prisoners with soy. WHAT'S A CRAZY LEFTY ENVIRO GOOB SUPPOSED TO DO, MAN????????

205 75. BurtTC Winning an election requires sharing the uniting message that enlivens a positive response throughout America. Coalition. Keep It Simple. We Want Constitutional Governance that Protects our Inalienable Rights. We believe in THAT American Exceptionalism. After the turf is sold, after the grassroots are burnt, the Common Ground IS laid bare. We CAN cultivate good seed to fruition: 21st Century American Renaissance. We could damn ourselves as the buried talent, euthanize ourselves with apathy and rot back into the earth, shaming all that is good. Either we allow our essential soil to erode and pass away leaving us destitute on rock bottom; Or, we unite on the only common ground of the US Constitution. Accept it being a blessing from Divine Providence, the consecration of our nation's birth through the harshest of revolutions for Identity, INDEPENDENCE. Identify with our Founding Fathers who trusted us regardless of age/era to carry on "the pursuit of happiness." The American Constitutional Republic sustains America the Home of Brave Liberty. It protects our Inalienable Rights, with equal Justice under the Law. Justice is Impartial. No favoritism. Playing the exclusive elitist card to win an election is gambling while drunk on self righteousness. Don't emulate the very thing you want to destroy. False expectations. Faith requires Works to build or "become". True enough, with courage in God, David the boy slew Goliath the giant. But it took King Saul's entire Army to then engage and pursue the invading Philistine Army, to win back Independent Identity. The Constitutional Platform structurally, symmetrically and simply DIVIDES LIMITED POWERS. Therein, we witness a functioning model that amalgamates diversity into a united whole. Don't get stuck; don't stay stuck carrying unnecessary judgmental baggage through the mire. We are all in the mire. The only people who "deserve" to be in the mire are the ones saying that's where we belong, particularly the "We Built That" mire mob. Transcend the Mire. When we wash down Washington D.C., we YET have our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Winning an election requires sharing the uniting message that enlivens a positive response throughout America. The message of Americans REMAINS effective. We love truth and justice as our American Way. We hate government corruption. We hate authoritarianism. We refuse to endorse wars against ourselves, domestic and foreign. We will destroy the political careers of American authoritarians. We will not buy our own slavery. We reject tyranny. Always have. Always will. "Your faith has made you whole; now go and don't miss the mark."

206 on FNC now, Joe Arpaio has replaced meat for prisoners with soy. You think that's funny? You really think that's funny?

207 "They (Tea Party) would have more influence if they were more cooperative and less confrontational."[\i]

Always with the "cooperative".  What does this mean?  How do you cooperate on issues where the other side (in this instance the GOP) wants to do something 100% in opposition to a core principal?

Or, if as is the case here, you quite reasonably don't trust the other side (again the GOP) because it has lied to you and failed you time and time again? 

Here, the GOP wants the Tea Party to "Trust us, we know what were doing, we'll make you happy in the end" - when conservatives have heard that nonsense for 40 years and always got screwed. 

People who use words like "cooperate" and "compromise" regularly don't seem to understand a) the meaning of those words or b) the context in which cooperation or compromise works.  It does not work when parties disagree completely about a core issue.  As an example, you can't compromise between having an abortion and not having an abortion.  There is no middle ground.  Adoption is not a compromise for the person who wants the abortion because it means they don't have the abortion.  Likewise, the person who doesn't want an abortion can't "compromise" by having an abortion. 

Yet people throw words like "cooperate" and "compromise" around all the time like they are magical wards.  What they mean by those words is "shut up and do what we say". 

208

209 [i/]
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210 I've never been involved heavily in party politics. Around '08, I attended some early Tea Party meetings and such. In the back of my mind I was always thinking 'highly unlikely that we're stopping anything via elections, but I might want to make some alliances for the Burning Times. Hope I'm wrong etc. etc.' Didn't really make any alliances, but I have bought some ammo. I just need to replace my guns that were stolen. Oh yeah, and what I know of GOP in Ohio -- at least at the state level - is they are as shitty and corrupt as anywhere in the country. Many dirty tricks played by them to keep the Tea Party down. Kasich? Why he's already cashed the Common Core check and is touting it along with Jeb Bush (despite grass-roots groundswell) and he has already said he would veto right-to-work, they got that sh!t passed in freakin' MICHIGAN for cryin' out loud.

211 This isn't accurate. There have always been "a few" conservatives in the Senate or House. If your assessment made any sense, or if it were that easy - just elect a few conservatives - we would be there already. *** I love when one preaches how another is incorrect then tosses their own assumptions out there, such as how Rand and Cruz are only stepping up because they have higher aspirations. If you want to toss your theory out there as an "and this", that's one thing but, as of now, your argument is as full of personal opinion as is mine. Don't agree with my supposition, then show me where the few "conservative" senators have been as aggressive in recruiting proteges as has McCain.

212 You worked waaay too hard to post a link I can't copy and paste my good man. I'll look it up later if I have time. Lots of back breaking (on this old man) to get done.

213 GA Power is building two new nukes at their Augusta site.

Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2013 08:30 AM (zZbNF)

That is very good news.

"What kind of design?"

IIRC, they're of the Horrifically Late and Massively Over Budget class of reactor.

214 >>>> What kind of design?<<<<<


 Chernoble or Three Mile Island types wouldn't be my guess. Saying that, I've no idea what I'm talking about, so ignore me.

215 @137 Kinda like Smith Island, then. The action of errosion does not fit the warmies narrative so has been declared against their religion.

216 205. Prisoner rations, soy instead of meat. Effectively lower testosterone and violence. Effectively lower the budget and taxes required. Bravo, Arpaio.

217 203  What kind of design?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2013 08:42 AM (gqgiP)

Westinghouse PWR similar to Votgle.

218 I got my cancellation letter from Aetna today. Thanks Obama! Now I have to figure out the OFuckyacare exchange for MD. Is this the point where I go without insurance and buy it if I get sick? *** I'm sorry. I'm keeping my eye out because I am presently on the "retiree" health plan while I'm out of work on disability. I wouldn't be surprised if we got kicked to the exchanges.

219 Americans Reject by 61% Obama Demand for Clean Debt Vote
http://tinyurl.com/oc3548w

220 208 "They (Tea Party) would have more influence if they were more cooperative and less confrontational."[\i] They'd have a lot more influence without the IRS sitting on them and if they had an on-deck circle of qualified, well-funded primary challengers in red state House races, maybe a few Senate seats.

221 I love when one preaches how another is incorrect then tosses their own assumptions out there, such as how Rand and Cruz are only stepping up because they have higher aspirations.

If you want to toss your theory out there as an "and this", that's one thing but, as of now, your argument is as full of personal opinion as is mine.

Don't agree with my supposition, then show me where the few "conservative" senators have been as aggressive in recruiting proteges as has McCain.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 08:44 AM (DmNpO)

Wow.  You got me.  You pointed out that my opinion is just that - an opinion.  that stings.  You win.  Although, I guess I missed where I claimed otherwise.  Hmmm, maybe your point isn't so clever after all.  I guess not.

My point stands.  You continue with your abused girlfriend rational that THIS TIME it'll work and we'll take over the GOP and make it conservative.  I'll stick with my theory until proven wrong.  I have serious doubts it will be.  While past behavior doesn't always predict future outcomes, it is most likely that past behavior will be repeated.  

Not to mention you completely ignore my other points, which are completely valid.  I did point out that even if we elected some more conservatives it wouldn't change the party.  But you stick to your dreams.

222 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWbRuhmsHPM Hope you all have a wonderful day. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2013 06:58 AM (zF6Iw) Cool. Thanks for this. Loved the wings. Ha! Looked quite windy that day.

223 Great Hymns of the faith-"God of Grace and God of Glory" By Harry Emerson Fosdick-1930 Harry Emerson Fosdick was a rather controversial figure in the church but he faithfully pastored the Riverside Church in a time of great turmoil-The Great Depression. Story behind the hymn: Of particular note is the verse-"Save us from weak resignation from the evils we deplore", The hymn is a plea for God to grant wisdom and courage for the facing of the this hour The music with lyrics: http://tinyurl.com/olq7knv

224 I got my cancellation letter from Aetna today. There's gonna be a lot of sticker shock in the mail the next buncha days. October is like *the* month for policy renewals, plan changes, open enrollment, and stuff. A lot of people will be calling newspapers to complain, and a lot of media burying their heads in the sand. I can only hope that when the reporters with head in sand discover they're gonna have to come up with another $7,000 a year (which is a stack of dollar bills two and a half foot tall -- which is pretty close to a wheelbarrow load) they have a revelation in reporting.

225

Bullshit. Next.

 

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 26, 2013 08:35 AM (659DL)

 

Pretty much. The annualized rate of nominal GDP growth dropped from 3.2% in the second estimate to 3.1%, but the implicit price deflator dropped from 0.7 points to 0.6 points to allow for an "unchanged" "real" GDP.

226 "They (Tea Party) would have more influence if they were more cooperative and less confrontational." Her Imperial Malevolence said what I would have said about that. Here's my take - who are the TP supposed to be more cooperative and less confrontational to? The arrogant, tax-fatted scum like McStain, who lose no opportunity to stab fellow GOP members in the back? They need to have their treachery thrown back in their faces at every opportunity. You have a problem with Cruz? Then talk to him in private - don't go on the floor of the fucking Senate before the entire country to sell him out! And if your brother means the Democrats? Ask him this - if someone is breaking into his house to kill his wife and rape his daughter, does he try to be cooperative and less confrontational, or does he fight back with every weapon in his power? The Democrat Party is evil. It needs to be resisted and fought with every legal weapon at our disposal so long as we can. And if that attitude pisses off the GOP mandarins, then fuck them.

227 @206-panzernashorn Just a couple of sentences in I knew it was you. Panzernashorn for cob!! Gotta go now.

228 Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 26, 2013 08:50 AM (sOx93)

Your implicit assumption is that the process corrupts 100%.

That's how you can say, " that even if we elected some more conservatives it wouldn't change the party."

But I and many others do not accept that premise. The fact is that principled conservatives do exist, and our job is to find them, vote for them, support them.

229 Have there been any Reince Priebus sightings during all this intraparty strife or is he trapped between two of Fat Fuck's rolls of blubber? Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at September 26, 2013 07:14 AM (sSqF3) He sided with Cruz. http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/24/rnc-chairman-backs-cruz-in-party-splitting-obamacare-battle/ Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus backed Sen. Ted CruzÂ’s anti-Obamacare quasi-filibuster Tuesday, possibly sending a message to senior GOP leaders who are criticizing CruzÂ’s tactics in defunding Obamacare.

230 Have fun in the barrel, Monkeytoe! This came on the radio while I was driving in to work this morning and I feel it sums up nicely where many of us are in relationship to the GOP in general: http://youtu.be/xLpfbcXTeo8

231

Good article.

http://tinyurl.com/lkf2xjb

232 Whoops; Here's the story of "God of Grace and God of Glory" I forgot. No coffee yet: http://tinyurl.com/n2p88mw

233 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 26, 2013 08:50 AM (a4Omg)

Blake's poem, "And Did Those Feet In Ancient Time," better known as "Jerusalem," is another great one.

234

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 26, 2013 08:51 AM (U2UQk)

 

The media will find a way to protect itself, they always do.

Meanwhile, I have to keep an eye out on both sides.  Our rates are likely to go up a lot (although our plan was already mostly compliant with Obamacare last year so I'm hoping that shields it against huge increases)

Any one of those amendments floating around could shut us to the exchanges anyway (which, like most places are lining up for "suck" since the largest providers aren't included in the insurance plans currently.)

Comps soon, and then I need to quickly find a job so my wife can fall back to my healthcare plan, here's has always been just shy of sucking and it's about to get worse.

235 Anyone catch John Cornyn on Hannity's radio show yesterday afternoon? Assuming more than a couple actually listen to it? I was actually impressed with Hannity pressuring that fool RINO into trying to explain why he was against Cruz's strategy. Cornyn was stringing together talking points/phrases in a highly incoherent fashion.

236 Gas fireplace in the basement as a supplement to our gas heater.  Two bonuses:  the entire house is comfortable (not just the upstairs); in case of a blackout, we still have heat.  It doesn't circulate as efficiently, but it does eventually go up.

237 In Reagan's famous 1977 CPAC speech, he told us a third party is the wrong way to go and that we need to take the party back. I agree with this 1000% and would hate to see the party split. That said, I think we are far past where we were 35 years ago and likely too far gone to be able to save the GOP (from itself).

238 Can someone explain how "ballooning spiders" rates multiple news stories? I mean they've been doing this forever and now it's news? I first learned about them in grade school when I read Charlotte's Web

239 There's gonna be a lot of sticker shock in the mail the next buncha days. October is like *the* month for policy renewals, plan changes, open enrollment, and stuff. *** I just read a tweet from a guy who said his father's new policy included a very intrusive "wellness questionaire" with a bribe for lower premiums if he would complete it. He said that his father told them to shove it but that the bribe was significant and that he believes many will take it.

240 The president has said he wonÂ’t negotiate over raising the debt limit, and is insisting on a clean vote.

“The responsibility of Congress to pay the bills of the United States, bills that Congress has incurred, is not a subject of negotiation,” White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters yesterday.

---

You'd think Boehner , McLame  McDonell would get this.

They keep bending US over for This administrations fiscal recklessness "to be helpful' every budget for years. And they get the blame for Obama's spending with laughable 'negotiations' or His unwillingness to compromise. srsly we have watched it every year ! Republicans this time we will fight, wait, we will fight this way.  ok we will bend a little and get it through this way  later.  oh well ok He got what he wanted but we rescued 4 billion  from that trillion +.

Duh

241 Don't agree with my supposition, then show me where the few "conservative" senators have been as aggressive in recruiting proteges as has McCain. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 08:44 AM (DmNpO) Hm. Worth the thought to figure. McCain buys his recruits. He is the corrupt teacher, his proteges study parasitic conquest. So long as the sheep still only see sheep's clothing, the wolf needn't even pursue the lone straggler lamb. But Americans' eyes are opened. Americans' jaws drop at the audacity of our politicians. Shock and awe, smack dab between the eyes. Sure, stunned. But WE must awaken and arise before being executed by authoritarians, because they could. Cruz is an effective catalyst, not just in Washington where he legally defended constitutional integrity, but in the SENATE, where corrupt senators like McCain have converted into their House of Lords. And Cruz isn't the first, isn't the only one, and certainly won't be the last catalyst driving the money changers out of The People's "temple". Yes, its a long haul to go. And the 1% who annually "earn" 95% of the profits will not go softly into the night. But neither will we. And there is strength in numbers.

242

we still have heat. It doesn't circulate as efficiently, but it does eventually go up.

 

 

Not down here, it doesn't.

243 Washington Generals, huh? That explains the dribbling.

244 This came on the radio while I was driving in to work this morning and I feel it sums up nicely where many of us are in relationship to the GOP in general: *** Heh

245 Your implicit assumption is that the process corrupts 100%.

That's how you can say, " that even if we elected some more conservatives it wouldn't change the party."

But I and many others do not accept that premise. The fact is that principled conservatives do exist, and our job is to find them, vote for them, support them.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2013 08:54 AM (gqgiP)

Talk about missing the point and reading into things.  I don't claim that the process corrupts 100% - but it corrupts a lot.  Do you dispute that?

I also claim most politicians are of the sort whose principals are malleable.  Do you dispute this?

I also claim that the party itself is much more than just elected officials - it is the party professionals - the fundraisers, consultants, aides, staffers and the like.  Do you dispute this?

Do you dispute that many "solid conservatives" once elected have moved left and disappointed conservatives?

Plus, you need to replace all of the non-ideological, party first, win at all costs the easiest way possible party professionals that make up the GOP.  Do you dispute that?

then you need to get rid of the big money GOP donors who are not remotely conservative.  Do you dispute that?

And - you have to do all of the above while being fought tooth and nail by elected GOP non-conservatives, the big-money donors, and the current party professionals - do you dispute that?

I also never said there is no such thing as a principled conservative who once elected will stand tall and fight against the party and stick to conservatism. 

the problem you are ignoring is that you need to find at least 26-30 of those people and get them elected to the Senate as republicans to change the GOP Senate Caucus.  then you need to find about 150 and elect them to the house.  What are the odds of that?

My assumptions are based on facts and historical evidence.  Your dream of the future is based on no evidence and hope.  I wish it were as easy as you claim. 

We have been trying to take over the party for more than 20 years.  We haven't done it and haven't really even moved the party much to the right.  At this rate, it'll be another 100 years before we can call the GOP conservative.  I don't dispute that it could happen.  I dispute that it can happen in my lifetime.

246 “The
responsibility of Congress to pay the bills of the United States, bills
that Congress has incurred

LOL

fcol.

247

Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 08:56 AM (VtjlW)

What really amazes me is their perseverance.

I stopped giving money to the national organizations a long time ago, but they persist in sending me letter after letter, and calling me rather frequently --  assuming that i will eventually return to the fold and resume funding their idiocy.

They ignored my letters that made explicit statements such as, "I will never again send you one more penny."

You have to give them credit for stick-to-it-ivness.

248   That said, I think we are far past where we were 35 years ago and likely too far gone to be able to save the GOP (from itself).

Posted by: Countrysquire at September 26, 2013 09:00 AM (LSJmV)

 

I think the key is getting rid of the old guard. 

249 Yes, its a long haul to go. And the 1% who annually "earn" 95% of the profits will not go softly into the night. But neither will we. And there is strength in numbers. *** I feel.... inspired.

250 I don't really mind if Cruz or Rand have higher aspirations. That their politicians and have them doesn't surprise me or shock me. What matters is do they speak with conviction and have integrity and do they have ideas I can get on board with. And I happen to think there is no perfect candidate. There are always going to be candidates who have some ideas I don't agree with. If I'm bothered by that I should run for office myself, which I'd hate.

251 Daniel Henninger: Let ObamaCare Collapse
http://tinyurl.com/pdoxofj

252 >>>>"You have to give them credit for stick-to-it-ivness.<<<<

Except for when it comes to principles or things that matter.

253 Blake's poem, "And Did Those Feet In Ancient Time," better known as "Jerusalem," is another great one. Greg Lake sang it beautifully with ELP. You can tell he was choir-trained.

254 but they persist in sending me letter after letter, and calling me rather frequently -- assuming that i will eventually return to the fold and resume funding their idiocy. *** I recognize that it's the RNC when they call from the 202 area code and, most of the time, I don't pick up. Yet, about once every two weeks I pick up the phone and tell them exactly what I think of them and their candidates. They have no shame because they inevitably call back for more abuse.

255 "In Reagan's famous 1977 CPAC speech, he told us a third party is the wrong way to go and that we need to take the party back. I agree with this 1000% and would hate to see the party split. That said, I think we are far past where we were 35 years ago and likely too far gone to be able to save the GOP (from itself)."

How in the world can you agree 1000% AND think we're too far gone for it to work?

256 I think the key is getting rid of the old guard. Posted by: Red Shirt +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I want that to be the solution, I just don't know that it's possible anymore.

257 240. Joethefatman™ The young adults passing this off as their discovery obviously didn't read traditional children's literature in school or for recreation. That's about the only "news" factor. Unless we're supposed to question the timing, pfft. SpiderCare

258 I wish it were as easy as you claim.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 26, 2013 09:02 AM (sOx93)

I made no such claim.

Obviously it is an immensely difficult undertaking, but the possibility exists, just as it did in the 1970s.

259 "I agree with this 1000%" Joe Pesci's "Vinny" line about grits and physics comes to mind.

260 Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 26, 2013 09:05 AM (7ObY1)

Wow! I forgot about ELP's version.

Off to the internet.

261 We have been trying to take over the party for more than 20 years. We haven't done it and haven't really even moved the party much to the right. At this rate, it'll be another 100 years before we can call the GOP conservative. I don't dispute that it could happen. I dispute that it can happen in my lifetime.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 26, 2013 09:02 AM (sOx93)

And this is why I advocate starving the beast (GOP).  Starve it of small donor contributions, activists/volunteers, and votes. 

then, either build up a more conservative party from its ashes or enter the ensuing vacuum with a more conservative third party.

It think that will result much more quickly in an actual conservative party that is competitive than the tactic of trying to transform the GOP into a conservative party one election at a time.

262 "panzernashorn - Just a couple of sentences in I knew it was you...." -nothinglefttolose ____ Usually that's so for me, but I mistook monkeytoe for panz up there, at first glance, especially based on length. But when I ran across the real thing, yeah.

263 They have shown themselves worthy of leadership, by being on the frontlines,
even Rubio has redeemed himself a bit.

264 >>>>"You have to give them credit for stick-to-it-ivness.<<<< Except for when it comes to principles or things that matter. Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at September 26, 2013 09:05 AM (MnSla) Oh, I think that the animating principle of getting more power and money really matters to them.

265

Since, a long way upthread, I mentioned the actress Seena Owen (a phonetic spelling of her birth name, Signe Auen), here's a still of her:

 

http://tinyurl.com/q4xnhxz

 

266

"240 Can someone explain how "ballooning spiders" rates multiple news stories? I mean they've been doing this forever and now it's news? I first learned about them in grade school when I read Charlotte's Web"

 

 

 

The skwerls have unionized and demand a break.

267 J J Sefton - I am using my iPhone . I apologize it was a typo & not autocorrect . I'm glad you're fine. Carol

268 255 Greg Lake sang it beautifully with ELP. You can tell he was choir-trained. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 26, 2013 09:05 AM (7ObY1) Second most beautiful male voice in pop/rock, next to Justin Hayward, IMHO.

269 The GOP establishment is taking notice of Cruz and the others. They can smell the coffee. McCain and his mini me will be marginalized rather quickly I think. Wait and see.

270 on FNC now, Joe Arpaio has replaced meat for prisoners with soy. He said, "If they don't like it, don't go to jail." It will save them over $100k each year. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 08:39 AM (DmNpO) This is actually brilliant on so many levels.

271 even Rubio has redeemed himself a bit.

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at September 26, 2013 09:07 AM (Jsiw/)

 

Does he have a choice after Shamnesty?

272

Oh, I think that the animating principle of getting more power and money really matters to them.

 

Posted by: alexthechick - Booze. Not just for breakfast. at September 26, 2013 09:08 AM (VtjlW)

 

The money and the power.

The power and the money.

Stick it in my pocket,

And I'll take it to the laundry.

273 How in the world can you agree 1000% AND think we're too far gone for it to work? Posted by: Jaws ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm afraid that there are many more in the GOP now who are neo-statist than there was in '77 when Reagan gave that speech. I hope that I'm wrong and that there are many that only need a leader who can remind them of what (and who) they should be standing for.

274 >>>on FNC now, Joe Arpaio has replaced meat for prisoners with soy.

Ha! And since soy is supposed to mimic estrogen in the body, it may have other positive effects.

275 269 J J Sefton - I am using my iPhone . I apologize it was a typo & not autocorrect . I'm glad you're fine. Carol Posted by: CarolT at September 26, 2013 09:10 AM (z4WKX) Just busting your horns. I had mine removed so they can't tell I'm a Joo! Thanks. ;-)

276 Is anybody else losing their name/email/URL inputs every time they hit "post"?

277 273 even Rubio has redeemed himself a bit. Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at September 26, 2013 09:07 AM (Jsiw/)Does he have a choice after Shamnesty? Posted by: Red Shirt at September 26, 2013 09:10 AM (FIDMq) Glad he helped with this, but for me, he has ZERO credibility as a candidate after shamnesty.

278 They have no shame because they inevitably call back for more abuse.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 09:05 AM (DmNpO)

Just one more example of a party that is hopelessly mired in outdated ideas, assumptions, technology, etc.

After hearing what you and I say, they should direct our accounts to another kind of caller. Someone who would say all of the right things.

But they can't even do that.

279 Test of a test of a test of a test from FiredFox.

280 Obviously it is an immensely difficult undertaking, but the possibility exists, just as it did in the 1970s.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 26, 2013 09:06 AM (gqgiP)

Anything is possible.  The question is, what is probable?  I agree that it is possible to transform the GOP into a conservative party.  I disagree that it will happen quickly enough to make a difference.

Replacing the politicians is, more or less, the easy part. It is replacing everyone else that makes up the party establishment that is incredibly difficult.  There are no elections for adviser, fundraiser, aide, staffer, press person, speechwriter, donor, consultant, campaign manager, etc. How do we get rid of them?  They are entrenched.

281 I have also been told that a major part of the problem with new conservative reps and senators Is the staff people they hire. Evidently there are staff people who have made a career of being staff people, and their views seem to shape their bosses' (reps and senators) views. Since the people hired as " staff" have been in Washington longer than the new people, they tell their bosses' how things are done, and since the staff people are libs, the outcome is a liberal influence.

282 "Conservatives have finally realized that, as itÂ’s currently constituted, they have no home in the Republican party, which is the Washington Generals to the DemocratsÂ’ Harlem Globetrotters, the designated losers who nevertheless are rewarded handsomely for their sham opposition." Finally realized is right.

283 273 even Rubio has redeemed himself a bit. Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at September 26, 2013 09:07 AM (Jsiw/)Does he have a choice after Shamnesty? Posted by: Red Shirt at September 26, 2013 09:10 AM (FIDMq) Actually, on one condition - he goes on TV and excoriates Schumer, McCain and all the rest and says the he will not seek higher office unless/until the voters regain his trust. Maybe then, but still would be a very long shot for me.

284 Gutfeld..."The Great Ace of Spades"


Greg obviously hasn't read one of Ace's movie reviews.

285 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2013 09:11 AM (WjLUf)

Ah...Mr. Sefton. Please pull your pants and underwear down.

Oh. A Jew.

Please step to the right for the delousing showers.

286 CNN host Don Lemon lashed out at critics of Obamacare on Tuesday, saying some lawmakers are "holding the American people hostage" in their attempts to defund the Affordable Care Act.

In an interview on the "Tom Joyner Morning Show," Lemon  lamented the "willful misinformation" being shopped about Obamacare by both Democrats and Republicans — but really mostly by Republicans."





Well if anyone would know about willful misinformation it would be a douche from CNN

287 And this is why I advocate starving the beast (GOP). Starve it of small donor contributions, activists/volunteers, and votes. Actually, I think this has already happened. I know I shut off contributions to the party and the party's campaign committees a long time ago. Sadly, I think if this is the case in general, it backfired by increasing the influence of the big money donors. It would explain why amnesty is even on the table. I've said before that the democrat party has taken a dive off the left edge of the map. I think the people who believe the ideal amount of statism is between where we are now but far short of where the democrat party wants us to be are staking out their territory in the GOP. Where else can they go?

288 McCain's on twitter citing this as a "must read" article. http://wapo.st/15sQKVI

289

Finally realized is right.

 

Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 26, 2013 09:13 AM (bb5+k)

 

Only if there's Hell to pay.  I've never seen any evidence the right-of-center crowd will make that stick.

290

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 09:01 AM (DmNpO)

 

Eh? Intrusive from the insurance company is how much of an issue though?

They're going to know PDQ what you're health is.  Provided there's no risk of higher premiums I'd think it's a fairly safe bet to fill it out.

 

Speaking of costs.

So remember by field for a moment (Healthcare Ethics).  Now, I'm having a discussion with a former student turned faculty (that part is less important, just know that for the most part, I lock people into the context in which I first meet them, so we were fellow students, and even now that she's faculty, I treat her as I did 6 months prior.)

So anyway, her and her husband just got on the university health plan (which I used to be on when I was an employee there, but it's changed significantly).  The university now has a High Deductible plan. I guess the costs have gone up significantly (seriously in 2007, health insurance was literally a rounding error on my paycheck. $10/pay period, which doubled to $20 in 2008, oh the humanity!)

So anyway, Little Miss Professor and her husband are still trying to figure out the ins and outs of a HD plan.  But clearly no jack crap about...well economics.

So, her husband gets mildly sick (and by mildly sick, I mean just that, I think it was a stomach flu, sinus infection? Something fairly routine.)  They decide to go to the doctor to get some pills (or something).

They go to the urgent care center to do so though.  Now the context in which she's telling me this story is unrelated to medicine itself (apparently a crazy person showed up at Urgent care, scared them all blah blah blah.)

So I go "Why were you at an urgent care center anyway? Why not just wait until morning and see your PCP?"

Her response: "Well we're new to this plan and didn't know what would be cheaper. Turns out that's not urgent care"

My response: "did you ever wonder why urgent care had a higher co-pay on your old insurance?  Or for that matter, why would urgent care, with it's greater hours, be cheaper?"

So, just remember that folks, the people who are supposed "experts" know jack crap about this shit. (I suppose to be fair she's a clinical ethicist, but still I mean FFS, know something.)

(BTW, the department chair specifically excluded her from my comps committee noting "it would be weird for someone you were a student with to be grading you now" to which I responded "plus I still treat her like a student so it wouldn't end well.")

291 Thanks for the news Vic. Thanks for the morning thread Andy. And thanks to all who interacted with me. I have to leave now, Life intrudes. Y'all have a great day.

292 "Make Washington Listen" What point did the Republican Leadership and subscribing dunces prove? No matter what, they will NOT listen to me, to you, to us. And they "own" the GOP. They parasitically "usurp" the protest votes. No matter what, they work against us. Working for themselves is working against us. And they will always, forever work for themselves. Period. Get over it. Either comply. Or REBEL. "Timing is everything." It is time. Get the books in order. Class action law suit. Republican registered voters v. Republican elected politicians. Worth a short story, if not a movie. Judge according to Party Platform v. Performance.

293 Hot Gas gas a post on the background check failure for tge Naval shooter. Company is blaming lack of cooperation from LEO but that doesn't sit well with me. Alexis lied on his questionnaire, they caught him on that, but cleared him anyway. Jeez.

294 There are no elections for adviser, fundraiser, aide, staffer, press person, speechwriter, donor, consultant, campaign manager, etc. How do we get rid of them? They are entrenched.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 26, 2013 09:12 AM (sOx93)

And, to follow up on that point, those people have far more power than people generally think regarding what the elected officials ultimately do.  They have power over who gets well funded in a campaign.  They have power over grooming and picking candidates.  They have power over party rules and the party platform. They have power over all kinds of behind the scenes things that are little cared about by most people.

295 He said that his father told them to shove it but that the bribe was significant and that he believes many will take it. My son got offered $1,200 a year discount, and asked me what I thought. I just shook my head at the loops he would have to jump through, the privacy he would have to surrender, and told him I thought it was a close call. I think my son is more in the anti-D, anti-R, libertarian vein, slowly progressing toward conservatism. This only speeds his progress.

296 Maybe then, but still would be a very long shot for me.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2013 09:13 AM (WjLUf)

 

Agreed,  once they go down the rabbit hole, not sure if they are trustworthy.  McCain usually gets pretty conservative around election time.

297 "How in the world can you agree 1000% AND think we're too far gone for it to work?" Kind-of reminds me of the mixed emotions of an old declaration about forms not being abandoned for light and transient reasons, but when the abuse becomes intolerable...

298

Morning,

299 I'm glad Rubio aided Cruz, but I still don't trust him. He blew it wuth amnesty and has not learned his lesson.

300

McCain's sycophant staffers on twitter citing this as a "must read" article.

 

http://wapo.st/15sQKVI

 

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 09:14 AM (DmNpO)

 

ReWrite™ engaged for accuracy - do you think he actually types anything out?

301 The pendulum is never denied. It swung sooo far to the left in 2008 it's gonna take a huge burst of momentum to bring it to the right. But it will, so lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way. I'm looking at you McCain. Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 26, 2013 06:44 AM (U2UQk) Sometimes a pendulum can swing so far that the structure supporting it collapses.

302 Another thing about stinkbugs: They will crawl behind the door and window trim inside your house if it's not caulked. A lot of carpenters and painters won't caulk above the header piece of trim since it's usually out of sight.

303 >>> The global trend of rising ocean levels is especially acute in the Chesapeake Bay, where water is rising at twice the world average Is the water less dense in the area? Liquid water is very good at "averaging out" Sorry, I don't know the math that proves that water doesn't flow uphill.

304 Sorry, I don't know the math that proves that water doesn't flow uphill.

Posted by: fluffy at September 26, 2013 09:18 AM (z9HTb)

Gravity: It's not just a good idea; it's the law!

305 Just one more example of a party that is hopelessly mired in outdated ideas, assumptions, technology, etc. After hearing what you and I say, they should direct our accounts to another kind of caller. Someone who would say all of the right things. But they can't even do that. **** Great point. Why is it that, after numerous run ins with me, the callers always seem shocked *SHOCKED* when they talk with me? It's pretty darn obvious that they are not keeping any records on the folks they call other than the amount of money they've donated in the past.

306 Out, damned sock!

307 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 26, 2013 08:50 AM (a4Omg) FSLIC, I don't get to follow up everything you post, but whenever I do, I am recharged! Thank you!

308 Posted by: Chilling the most at September 26, 2013 09:13 AM (Rn9xc)

This is a point I have been trying to make.  Anyone who makes a career out of gov't (whether by being a party professional or a career aid, staffer) is likely to believe in gov't much, much more than we as conservatives do. 

And, anyone who makes a career out of being a politician, is going to trend that way as well.  After all, their career is gov't, so it would be human nature to start to believe that gov't can and should solve all our problems.

Conservatism - believing in limited gov't - is a hard ideology to have in gov't service or as a professional politician.  Which is why very few people with strong conservative beliefs go make full careers out of gov't. And also why it is hard to find conservative candidates who actually believe what they say and stick to it.

309 ReWrite™ engaged for accuracy - do you think he actually types anything out? *** hell no. It was part of his campaign. IIRC.

310 "...blah blah blah taking notice of Cruz and the others. They can smell the coffee. McCain and his mini blah blah blah..." Mmmmmm..... coffee....

311 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 09:20 AM (DmNpO)

It's a plodding system that is designed for a different time.

But as long as the party hierarchy goes to good cocktail parties and gets to bang cute interns, all's right in the world.

This, in microcosm, is why we lost in 2012.

312 My son got offered $1,200 a year discount, and asked me what I thought. I just shook my head at the loops he would have to jump through, the privacy he would have to surrender, and told him I thought it was a close call. I think my son is more in the anti-D, anti-R, libertarian vein, slowly progressing toward conservatism. This only speeds his progress. *** $1200?! That IS significant. Holy cow! $100 a month will indeed persuade many to give it up.

313 Posted by: Y-not on the phone at September 26, 2013 09:17 AM (5H6zj) What I heard of Rubio, was thinly disguised amnesty disguised as weak rhetoric against Ocare!

314 I have also been told that a major part of the problem with new conservative reps and senators Is the staff people they hire. Evidently there are staff people who have made a career of being staff people, and their views seem to shape their bosses' (reps and senators) views. Since the people hired as " staff" have been in Washington longer than the new people, they tell their bosses' how things are done, and since the staff people are libs, the outcome is a liberal influence. Posted by: Chilling the most at September 26, 2013 09:13 AM (Rn9xc) I wouldn't say liberal, per se, so much as having unexamined assumptions that government action is the solution to everything. After all, these are people devoting their careers to working in the government. Of course they think that's a good, helpful thing to do. Most people are not sociopathic enough to say hey I'm doing this for power and money and not any higher purpose. It's difficult to say hey I am going to take this job and then do everything in my power to eliminate it. That's more than most people, self included, would be able to do.

315 I'm glad Rubio aided Cruz, but I still don't trust him. He blew it wuth amnesty and has not learned his lesson. **** This is where I'm at. He's my senator and still has not won back my vote.....yet.

316 309 darn spellcheck FSLIC<- FS

317 Thank you, Hrothgar. I appreciate the comment. God bless you-and all of us.

318 301 I'm glad Rubio aided Cruz, but I still don't trust him. He blew it wuth amnesty and has not learned his lesson. Posted by: Y-not on the phone at September 26, 2013 09:17 AM (5H6zj) Ditto.

319 I just read a tweet from a guy who said his father's new policy included a very intrusive "wellness questionaire" with a bribe for lower premiums if he would complete it. He said that his father told them to shove it but that the bribe was significant and that he believes many will take it. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 09:01 AM (DmNpO) I am constantly being bombarded with shit like that except they offer %50 to the first 50 people who submit it, etc. You know the only people who win are those who are connected with the contest. And yes, I am constantly bombarded both via junk mail and robocalls for this or that by my health care provider.

320 What I heard of Rubio, was thinly disguised amnesty disguised as weak rhetoric against Ocare! *** I didn't hear that, but what I did hear was that the immigrant drum is the only one he has to bang. When he isn't talking about his own inspiring family story, he seems to be lost. It was a bit like a repeat of his campaign.

321 Regarding Capitol Hill staffers: Their salaries are public record and are (or at least were) available online. They make jack shit. Even compared to your average postal carrier or federal employee they make jack shit. So why do they do it? I'm sure there are almost as many answers as there are staffers.

322 link dump up

323 Books will be written about how the Republican Party went from Ronald Reagan standing astride history in the 80s to getting its ass handed to it by a Chicago community organizer in the 00s

324

   Of course they think that's a good, helpful thing to do.

 

I would argue that they think it is the 'easy' thing to do. 

 

Which might explain why  the Government excels at nothing except graft, fraud and waste. 

325 Conservatism - believing in limited gov't - is a hard ideology to have in gov't service or as a professional politician. Which is why very few people with strong conservative beliefs go make full careers out of gov't. And also why it is hard to find conservative candidates who actually believe what they say and stick to it. Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 26, 2013 09:20 AM (sOx93) It is the people who *LOVE* government who tend to seek office in it.

326 obviously that should have been grift.

327 I'm sorry if this has been asked already, been working too much.  Anyway was telling my friend that he should watch the entire filibuster that they are t (ed) of t  because it was so entertaining, educational and amazing.  He's agree to watch it if I send him a link.  Anyone know if the full uncut version is anywhere on the internet and maybe a transcript.  TIA.

328 What's the point of going to a strip club where they've sworn off meat?  How does this business model work?

329 Fuck Jen Rubin. End.

330 What's the point of going to a strip club where they've sworn off meat? How does this business model work? *** Their slogan: The meat is on the pole.

331

What's the point of going to a strip club where they've sworn off meat? How does this business model work?

 

 

 

Not serving  roast beef sandwiches, stage-side,  will probably cut down  rates on their liability coverage.

332

>>>But I and many others do not accept that premise. The fact is that principled conservatives do exist, and our job is to find them, vote for them, support them.

 

Wonderful. How are you going to deal with "I don't like what the Democrats are doing but I'm not going to do anything crazy like vote Republican"?

 

Even if you successfully change the party you still have to convince the voters, and I submit that you cannot. You can follow Reagan's advice from 30 years ago and fervently believe he wouldn't change tactics if you want.

333

Wouldn't just letting the Dems raise their taxes get the moneyed elites back on our side?

 

Sure, raise Buffett's taxes. No skin off my ass. He's a crooked SOB anyway.

334 I liked the NRO article, and the Changing of the Guard analysis is spot-on, but if there's one thing I could surgically remove from the conservative vocabulary, it would be "self-reliant."

Just get rid of it.  Forget we ever said it. 

The Socialists have been using that term against us for about a century.  We should stop giving them the ammunition. 

In practice (in the popular mind), "self-reliant" means all sorts of bad things, from "let them eat cake" to "beat back the marauding mud people." 

It's a bad term.  It doesn't express who we really are and what we want. 

What we really want is economic liberty.  Americans are immensely charitable.  Successful businesses give away huge sums.  Struggling ones don't. 

Conservatives do not want to be self-reliant.  Not really.  We want to be mutually cooperative.  We want to trade and interact and be sociable and have conviviality and all the rest.  "Self-reliant" sounds like a grumpy old dude who lives alone grousing about "the darkies."

We want to interact, and be mutually reliant, but on free, voluntary and reciprocal terms. 

We want to be free from coercion. 

335 Panzernashorn.....Please, I am begging you ....STOP with the 1% crap that you posted earlier. I am de-lurking to let you know that everybody didn't get into the 1% by being a robber baron. My husband, who only has a high school education, pulled himself up by the bootstraps after being raised in very very modest circumstances. He is a workhorse. Everyday. Never quits. It is insulting to be cast into some ugly role that is 100% false. We have earned our $ the hard way.

336 You know as i was reading Jennifer Rubins article I realized they really do not like to fight back (because?) . We that want U.S to be fiscally solvent , not have a collapse from irresponsible spending are called all manner of names from Our own side.  We that would prefer govt not breath into our wombs , check out what we buy on holidays , see that we might buy an 18 oz soda on occasion..

Mz Rubin's commenters are what i would have read at kos , and they are pleased to also agree with Rubin  about what neanderthal's conservatives are . Of course i expect that from Them. Not our own side!

I guess this is why somehow finding new voters to vote for Them (hahahaha) amnesty will assist them in their struggle to remain a significant loyal adversary and keep 2 parties  to 'balance'   (hahahaha) .

Can i have McCain or Boehner actually voice what Republican thought is? What are  their actual goals?
What do they believe a America should look like?

I really want it stated openly because I'm not feeling such an infinity for this party or if i actually should be a member .

It's unfortunate that i see Cruz  (an actual possible representative for us )attempt to school the average american on consequence and see those that actually hold power on our side LAUGH , Heckle and jeer.

anyway i realize i a m but one family and maybe that doesn't mean much to McCain, , Boehner , or the McDonells.
But srsly what are They going to do if they keep throwing rocks at people like me?

hope this made sense.

337 Pssst, Willow. Secret passage to new post http://minx.cc/?post=343685

338 Joe Pesci's "Vinny" line about grits and physics comes to mind. Posted by: panzernashorn at September 26, 2013 09:07 AM (MhA4j) http://tinyurl.com/create.php Because I care...

339 307 Just one more example of a party that is hopelessly mired in outdated ideas, assumptions, technology, etc. After hearing what you and I say, they should direct our accounts to another kind of caller. Someone who would say all of the right things. But they can't even do that. **** Great point. Why is it that, after numerous run ins with me, the callers always seem shocked *SHOCKED* when they talk with me? It's pretty darn obvious that they are not keeping any records on the folks they call other than the amount of money they've donated in the past. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 26, 2013 09:20 AM (DmNpO) Our calls are NOT relevant. Automated responses. Just as TOTUS speaks for the POTUS, our calls to Congress reach automated voice response. From switchboard to push tone voice. Whatever we're told to hear. Dissatisfied? Push 0. Trust Us. Your vote? What difference, at this point, does it make? W.D.C.'s Message: we need them but they don't need us. The government has ALL of our personal information and access to all our property, ready for confiscation, ready for the authoritarian's "assking".

340 Panzernashorn.....Please, I am begging you ....STOP with the 1% crap that you posted earlier. I am de-lurking to let you know that everybody didn't get into the 1% by being a robber baron. My husband, who only has a high school education, pulled himself up by the bootstraps after being raised in very very modest circumstances. He is a workhorse. Everyday. Never quits. It is insulting to be cast into some ugly role that is 100% false. We have earned our $ the hard way. *** Thanks for de-lurking to make a valid point.

341 Because I care... Posted by: cajun caret at September 26, 2013 09:53 AM (UZQM do your own lifting

342 Damn. Thought I had a treat for ATC, but instead all I've got is this: http://tinyurl.com/kf5efns

343 Re: the stunk bugs. Put dried bay leaves on your window sills. They really work. We used to have an old victorian house that leaked like a sive. No amount of caulk could close up the windows completely. If you have cats you might have to put some in cheesecloth because the cats like to paw them off the sills. I don't have cats so this was never a problem for me. Plus it makes your house smell nice. Oh and re: GOP.......its beyond salvaging the brand even if you salvage the party. The party of Reagan means nothing to the younger folks. They don't remember. When the Borking of the brand started lead by the MSM, it was all over. Look at the results of the last election. The kids pretty much agreed with the platform but couldn't ever conceive of voting for the brand. In the early 2000s it was still cool to be the ultimate rebel and vote GOP, but not now. Also, I heard more than once that the kids hated obama but at least he was trying. He's the "Participation Trophy " president for the "Participation Trophy" generation.

344 It gets worse... The school chairman has now tweeted the suspended kids' entire disciplinary record. A protest is scheduled for this afternoon at tbe admin building. Yes, the lawyers (alredy retained) are going to have a field day. Posted by: shredded chi at September 26, 2013 07:16 AM (7FgN5) I can't find anything on this. Link?

345 American Jews (you know the ones that control Hollywood and all media) vote heavily Democratic Obama depends on them.

346 337. Posted by: 'Ette in training, a striving wannabe at September 26, 2013 09:39 AM (zvxqj) First, no kneejerking @ the economic reality in defensive posturing. Only if the shoe fits /and the devil certainly isn't the only one wearing Prada. My point? Who benefited from TARP, for example? Who was hurt in sequential order or repetition? There it is. 1% of global wealth, perpetually ransacking productivity "Because I Could" pirate suckers. It's tragic when free enterprise defends and becomes authoritarian. Your husband and mine share a similar background, btw. I understand your position and think that I understand your message. But you misunderstand my premise. (342.) I do not defend the corruption of the establishment. I do not cling bitterly to the "right" of globalist investment industry to kill the working "class" for the fastest profit which in turn is NOT circulated domestically for upward mobility, but spent abroad, even spreading inhumane working conditions for obscene profits that, again, are not "invested" in upward mobility for the working class WHO BUILT PROFITS. It seems, in an unnecessary self-defensive posture, many industrious Americans deny that elitist meritocracy invests for immediate profits vs. long term economic business (includes employees) and national security. As things are currently constructed, the only advantages are monopolized by those few who pull the global finance strings for their own power, for authoritarian triumph over free enterprise prosperity that profits small business as well as big. To think that everything's fine may work for you. However, I don't think our nation or our working class are on secure footing. The leadership, whether in politics, government, finance, industry, are aligned in a feudal trajectory that progressively eliminates everything between the lords and the serfs. Everyone who works hard and hones their craft into works of art to benefit society "deserves" the opportunity to contribute through their own lives to sustain that life through the sweat of their brow. Just as you and your husband. I mentioned the other day a BBC documentary on the death of the British Middle Class. The point, to remain employed, all must all assimilate into IT interface. The future will consists of those who own industry economic independence and those who do menial tasks until robots can replace such "service". There will no longer be much need for professionals who will progressively join the ranks of the unemployed along with the indigent unless they interface to serve IT which eventually goes independent. What the Industrial Revolution did to labor, the IT is doing to professionals. As for ultra-libertarianism, there's an element of truth to Ayn Rand's premise. Though I think anything can be taken too far. Where boundaries are set? Individually; no one-size-fits-all mandate.

347 Remember this guy? The band of teenagers was reported to be mostly black, but Amardeep Singh [program director at the Sikh Coalition] said that both the Sikh Coalition and "the victim"--Dr. Singh--declined to answer questions about the race of the attackers. "It's not helpful," Amardeep Singh told Hatewatch. "We don't think it's helpful in reducing racial tensions. We're trying to get the country to live up to its best values. We're a community that is profiled. There's no reason for us to profile anyone." So, now giving a description of your alleged assailants is profiling? Speaking of profiling, Shellie Z. is back on the rampage. lol

348

"Florida town shortening red lights"

Was it Waldo?

 

(Setting up the obvious punchline)

 

But seriously, in name, to answer your question.