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October 15, 2013

Trolling The Obamacare Website
— Open Blogger

Sometimes when I get bored, I do stupid, juvenile things. Like troll the Obamacare chat helpline, for example.

Here's the chat I had with Magnolia. I'd feel bad about hassling some drone over something that she has no direct control over except for the despicable smear against insurance companies that she drops in response to my complaint that my coverage has been dropped.

Think this is in their script? I do.

P.S. My name isn't Paul.
[10:41:37 pm]: Welcome! You're now connected to Health Insurance Marketplace Live Chat.

Thanks for contacting us. My name is Magnolia. To protect your privacy, please don't provide any personal information, like Social Security Number, or any other sensitive medical or personal information.

[10:41:49 pm]: Magnolia
Hello, before we begin can I please ask what state you're in and are you looking for information about health insurance in the state you live in, or a different state?

[10:42:31 pm]: Paul
My catastrophic insurance got canceled. Bronze plan DOUBLES my premiums. Obama said my premiums would go down. WHAT THE HELL??!!!

[10:44:39 pm]: Magnolia
Do you have any Marketplace questions that I can help you with?

[10:45:15 pm]: Paul
He said it would go down an average of $2500. Can you explain this?

[10:45:46 pm]: Magnolia
Have you filled out a Marketplace application?

[10:46:32 pm]: Paul
Yes. My premiums are going to go up. Whatever happened to "if you like your plan, you can keep it"? My plan got cancelled.

[10:48:27 pm]: Magnolia
If you liked your plan and it covered the minimum essential health benefits you could have kept it. It was the insurance company's decision to cancel it.

[10:49:07 pm]: Paul
Bullshit. They HAD to cancel it under Obamacare rules. Are you proud to be part of this SHIT?

[10:49:44 pm]: Magnolia
Do you have any other Marketplace questions that I can help you with?

[10:50:13 pm]: Paul
I'd like you to admit that Obama lied, fuckface.

[10:52:02 pm]: Magnolia
Do you have any Marketplace questions that I can help you with?

[10:53:40 pm]: Paul
You proud of this?

[10:54:35 pm]: Magnolia
We cannot give our opinions.

[10:54:51 pm]: Paul
Explain to me how it is the insurance company's fault that Obama outlawed the plan I was on.

[10:54:54 pm]: Magnolia
Do you have any Marketplace questions that I can help you with?

[10:55:33 pm]: Paul
How do you get a job on this site? Just be willing to lie about shit?

[10:56:58 pm]: Magnolia
The law provides you with greater consumer protections, new coverage options, and increased consumer information.

[10:57:48 pm]: Paul
You forgot a doubling of premiums.

[11:00:24 pm]: Your chat session is over. Thanks for contacting us, and we hope we've answered your questions. Have a great day.

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1 Magnolia is an unusual name for a native of Bangalore.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 15, 2013 07:14 PM (SJQrC)

2 No way.

Posted by: Meremortal at October 15, 2013 07:15 PM (1Y+hH)

3 LOL!!! *high fives Warden*

Posted by: EC at October 15, 2013 07:15 PM (doBIb)

dude

you just need to keep making that call over and over and over

those phone drones will be quiting saying" F this,

aint enough money in the world worth this crap!"

Posted by: rain of lead at October 15, 2013 07:16 PM (J/npG)

5 This is gold. If I ever get that bored, I may do this, if the NSA won't be in on it

Posted by: gw mclintock at October 15, 2013 07:16 PM (IngbV)

6 I admit I've had similar conversations on HC.gov. In Magnolia's defense though, she didn't knock insurance companies, just stated a fact. It is their decision to cancel a plan.

Posted by: Andrew at October 15, 2013 07:16 PM (VjlMj)

7 Lol

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 15, 2013 07:17 PM (GEICT)

8 Funny. I'd venture a guess that yours isn't the first such chat.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 15, 2013 07:17 PM (DmNpO)

9 awesomesauce!

Posted by: trailortrash at October 15, 2013 07:18 PM (xllDV)

10 6 I admit I've had similar conversations on HC.gov. In Magnolia's defense though, she didn't knock insurance companies, just stated a fact. It is their decision to cancel a plan.

It is not. Many, many existing plans are ILLEGAL under Obamacare.

Posted by: Splunge at October 15, 2013 07:18 PM (bKA83)

11 Magnolia is a hawt name. I bet she's cute.

Posted by: rickl at October 15, 2013 07:18 PM (sdi6R)

12 Andrew, come on. The insurance company has to cancel the plan if it doesn't qualify under Obamacare rules.

Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 07:19 PM (bmp0d)

13 Magnolia is a hawt name. I bet she's cute. *** I bet her night job involves a pole and tons of humiliation.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 15, 2013 07:19 PM (DmNpO)

14 Secretary Syphilis is the prototype for Â“Mrs ManagementÂ”

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at October 15, 2013 07:19 PM (e8kgV)

15 There be monsters on the Ocare website. Stay away or have your IP tracked by NSA.

Posted by: angel with a sword at October 15, 2013 07:19 PM (hpgw1)

16 "Minimum essential health benefits" That includes "free" slut-pills, hysterectomies, maternity care, transsexual-counseling, and Death Panels for the standard 25 year old not on their parent's insurance.

Posted by: Obamacare Help Drone at October 15, 2013 07:19 PM (ZyqBH)

17 This was done from an anon library computer, right? If not, expect an audit.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 07:19 PM (l5zzX)

18 Wow. That escalated quickly.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 15, 2013 07:19 PM (BAS5M)

19 Bait and Switch, Is Obamacare.

Posted by: The Hickster at October 15, 2013 07:20 PM (okL9f)

20 "It is not. Many, many existing plans are ILLEGAL under Obamacare." That's not true. The plans aren't illegal, they simply aren't in compliance. You can buy insurance for anything. Extra car insurance doesn't qualify either. Now a particular insurance company may decide they aren't going to offer a plan anymore, but this is different than saying it's illegal for them to offer the plan.

Posted by: Andrew at October 15, 2013 07:21 PM (VjlMj)

21 oooh, ace you are on so many lists now. Not just the ones you were already on and didn't know about, but ones that you didn't even know you didn't know about.

Posted by: killface at October 15, 2013 07:21 PM (dr0xf)

22
I boffed Magnolia and her taco smelled like fish.

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at October 15, 2013 07:21 PM (pJF+c)

23 Wow, so calling low level staff "fuckface" is what passes for humor around here. Fight the good fight, gentlemen. Or something.

Posted by: Rufus at October 15, 2013 07:21 PM (o7wsa)

24 er, warden, not ace

Posted by: killface at October 15, 2013 07:21 PM (dr0xf)

25 Next time ask the online help if they are enrolled.

Posted by: Swamp Guy at October 15, 2013 07:21 PM (rkewj)

26 ...except for the despicable smear against insurance companies that she drops in response to my complaint that my coverage has been dropped. ---------------------------- Uh, so I missed this part. Where was it?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at October 15, 2013 07:22 PM (4Mv1T)

27 "In Magnolia's defense though, she didn't knock insurance companies, just stated a fact. It is their decision to cancel a plan."
Posted by: Andrew

You are wrong. There are rules that MUST cover certain "issues" that aren't covered under "normal" plans. It is an idiotic "blanket".

Posted by: Slapweasel (T) at October 15, 2013 07:22 PM (lq3Ak)

28 Send in the jack-booted National Park Service brown shirt.

Posted by: Tip O'Neill at October 15, 2013 07:22 PM (Q63S1)

29 "P.S. My name isn't Paul." No, no, no.... you ARE the walrus and you can not deny you are a walrus. Sit on the cornflake and suffer.

Posted by: angel with a sword at October 15, 2013 07:22 PM (hpgw1)

30 I noticed the amount of elapsed time between Warden's questions and "Magnolia's" answers. I bet you one hundred Brazilian dollars you were chatting with someone in Mumbai who was trying to figure out what you said and what their response should be. No American help line specialist would put up with that shit and remain calm.

Posted by: EC at October 15, 2013 07:22 PM (doBIb)

31 That's a tax. Pay up.

Posted by: Justice John Roberts at October 15, 2013 07:23 PM (v6hyJ)

32 Rufus This isn't the place or time for indignation.

Posted by: gw mclintock at October 15, 2013 07:23 PM (IngbV)

33 Stunts like the one you posted are going to cost the GOP the House and keep the Senate and WH in Democrat hands. (Just prepping for the Top Headlines Thread.)

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 07:23 PM (AO9UG)

34 "Andrew, come on. The insurance company has to cancel the plan if it doesn't qualify under Obamacare rules. " I'm not defending Obamacare, just being picky about the specifics. A healthcare plan with doesn't qualify isn't an "illegal" plan. The insurance company is not mandated to do away with such plans. It may be the best decision business-wise, but they aren't forced to do it. They aren't forced to be in the insurance business to begin with. And to be perfectly frank, the insurance companies bear a lot of blame for Obamacare. They are the ones that signed off on it and made it possible.

Posted by: Andrew at October 15, 2013 07:24 PM (VjlMj)

Did Magnolia even once enquire about your local sports franchise, or how crazy the weather has been lately?

The weather these day!

I know, right?!

Posted by: Pug Mahon...Dammit! at October 15, 2013 07:24 PM (6rcHp)

36 Theme song from Miami Vice. Cue Phil Collins. "I can feel it, comin in the air tonight . . . " Single payer. It was the plan from the start.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at October 15, 2013 07:24 PM (tmFlQ)

37
I purchased the ObamaCare Gold plan because the elective surgery option promises to lengthen my penis by four inches. I will be a force for good with my new seven inch cock. Well, kinda.

Posted by: Stunted Liberal Punk at October 15, 2013 07:24 PM (pJF+c)

38 Tobacco Road,

She said if your catastrophic plan got cancelled, well that's the insurance company's decision. But of course it's in response to not being in "compliance" with Obamacare.

It's a blame shifting smear.

Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 07:25 PM (bmp0d)

39 20 The plans aren't illegal, they simply aren't in compliance.

I do not know what sort of game you are playing, but I decline to play. This is sheer sophistry. You're trying to tell me that all those insurance companies just felt like cancelling people's plans and telling them that Obamacare was the cause, because they felt like it? Pull the other one.

Posted by: Splunge at October 15, 2013 07:25 PM (bKA83)

40 Magnolia looks like Danny DeVito in drag.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 07:26 PM (AO9UG)

41 34 A healthcare plan with doesn't qualify isn't an "illegal" plan. The insurance company is not mandated to do away with such plans. It may be the best decision business-wise, but they aren't forced to do it. They aren't forced to be in the insurance business to begin with.

Behold, the Janus faces of our new overlords.

Posted by: Splunge at October 15, 2013 07:26 PM (bKA83)

42 Theese is Pay-Gee...I means Magnolia.

Posted by: VA Gator at October 15, 2013 07:27 PM (tkHvq)

43 Single payer. It was the plan from the start. Posted by: The littl shyning man And it is Right.On. Schedule. President Hillary! will fix Obamacare for us. She'll promise to do that come 2016. Vince Foster not available for a comment.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at October 15, 2013 07:27 PM (v6hyJ)

44 The insurance company is not mandated to do away with such plans.

Actually, they are mandated to do away with plans that don't meet the ACA minimum standards by January of 2014.

Posted by: no good deed at October 15, 2013 07:27 PM (k55Fc)

45
Somewhere in the gazillion pages of the Obamacare law and regs, griefing the helpline is probably a felony.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 15, 2013 07:28 PM (kdS6q)

46 Being not in compliance with a law kinda means illegal. Brad Pitt didn't cheat on his wife he was just not in compliance with his vows.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 07:29 PM (AO9UG)

47 45 Somewhere in the gazillion pages of the Obamacare law and regs, griefing the helpline is probably a felony. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 15, 2013 11:28 PM (kdS6q) What killjoys!

Posted by: EC at October 15, 2013 07:29 PM (doBIb)

48 P.S. My name isn't Paul.

But your IP Address is ...

Posted by: Jean at October 15, 2013 07:29 PM (CMlD4)

49 " And to be perfectly frank, the insurance companies bear a lot of blame for Obamacare. They are the ones that signed off on it and made it possible." And that makes it all fine and dandy? The insurance companies and the Pelosi/Reid/Messiah horse of a different color they rode in on!

Posted by: angel with a sword at October 15, 2013 07:29 PM (hpgw1)

50 Is Magnolia a character from Amos and Andy?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 15, 2013 07:30 PM (v1Ckr)

51 "The insurance company is not mandated to do away with such plans.

Actually, they are mandated to do away with plans that don't meet the ACA minimum standards by January of 2014."
Posted by: no good deed

Thank You.

...and "Minimum Standards" is a blanket menagerie of nonsense. They were "clued-in" and took the deal. They are allowed to "Obama-Charge" until that date, and until the HHS "updates" the Standards.

Posted by: Slapweasel (T) at October 15, 2013 07:31 PM (lq3Ak)

52 "PS My name isn't Paul" =========================== We know.

Posted by: NSA at October 15, 2013 07:31 PM (xqauy)

53 @44 That is what I have encountered in the insurance market as opposed to whatever Andrew is saying. Almost nobody can keep their plan.

Posted by: Beagle at October 15, 2013 07:32 PM (sOtz/)

54 Andrew is just an O-bot troll.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 07:32 PM (l5zzX)

Posted by: Andrew at October 15, 2013 11:16 PM (VjlMj)

Yeah.... and its a Prisoner's choice to stop breathing, once the firing squad fills him full of lead...

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 15, 2013 07:32 PM (lZBBB)

56 Oh, and I think the hackstacy has flowed over to the Humana site, also. Trying to sign up for 2014 Medicare Advantage, the site fails at the point where I am supposed to choose my PCP. Wassup wid dat? I gave up. Will do it the old fashioned way by phoning eHealth tomorrow morning, before the gym. I hate living in this new place, one of the farflung suburbs way way out on the NW rim of the Peoples Republic of Chicagoland. Fucking traffic, fucking chain stores, every three or four miles they all repeat, KFC, Arbys, BestBuy, shit. And I better habla espanol pretty quick. First rule of old farts. Never venture out of your cave unless it is a weekday, and confine those trips to the hours of 0830 until 1115, and then 1330 to 1430. All else is chaos.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at October 15, 2013 07:32 PM (tmFlQ)

57
A healthcare plan with doesn't qualify isn't an "illegal" plan.
Posted by: Andrew

Insurance companies just can't legally sell them.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 15, 2013 07:32 PM (kdS6q)

58 Not that the above conversation isn't funny, but we can do better. You didn't even get sent up to a manager! You need to be wasting managerial time.

Posted by: taylork at October 15, 2013 07:33 PM (ppNDn)

59 You know, Paul, you and Magnolia could have something special and real if you had just played it better.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 07:33 PM (AO9UG)

60 It's a blame shifting smear. Posted by: Warden -------------------------- Warden- You're trolling an hourly employee reading a script about a policy that our country passed into law, and SCOTUS upheld. I fucking hate it, and resigned my Blue Cross appointment over it as an agent, but are you proud of this? This is what our country has become. God help us.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at October 15, 2013 07:34 PM (4Mv1T)

61
Insurance companies just can't legally sell them.

Hmm, if they do - do we get standing

Posted by: Jean at October 15, 2013 07:34 PM (CMlD4)

62 You didn't even get sent up to a manager!

"Yo Darlene, you wanna be 'the manager' tonight?"

That's how that shit works 99% of the time.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 07:34 PM (l5zzX)

63 "...they simply aren't in compliance..." Fuck compliance, fuck Ocare, fuck stinking badges, and last you, down a long list.....

Posted by: angel with a sword at October 15, 2013 07:35 PM (hpgw1)

Hmmmm.... really looks like a chat bot to me....

Preprogramed response pattern based on keyword combinations...

Did you ever see a responder is 'typing' type of message before an actual post?

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 15, 2013 07:36 PM (lZBBB)

65 According to a memo dated Oct 11 2013 and circulated among SNAP program administrators for all states that participate, the USDA recommends they begin withholding benefits from citizens beginning in November.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at October 15, 2013 07:37 PM (e8kgV)

66 A better chat would really going into every detail of the exchange and signing up for StalinCare. In Spanish.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 07:37 PM (AO9UG)

67 HAH @ "compliance".

...this aught'a be rich.

Posted by: Slapweasel (T) at October 15, 2013 07:37 PM (lq3Ak)

68 Yesterday, I was Spartacus.....today, I am Paul!

Posted by: Lee__ at October 15, 2013 07:37 PM (d0qN5)

69 Hmmmm.... really looks like a chat bot to me.... Preprogramed response pattern based on keyword combinations... Did you ever see a responder is 'typing' type of message before an actual post? *** I said the same thing a few days ago. I don't think it's live-chat. I think the responses are keyed to certain phrases... like Siri.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 15, 2013 07:38 PM (DmNpO)

Me and . . . Magnolia Jones

We got a thing . . . going on.

Posted by: Billy "Warden" Paul at October 15, 2013 07:38 PM (BAS5M)

71 The call illustrates the shape of the future. The Tyranny of Incompetence. Obamacare, or whatever you call it, is legislative incompetence. And we will be forced, by law, to comply with it.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at October 15, 2013 07:40 PM (v6hyJ)

72 StalinKar: Hola, soy Katrina.
Slap: I like my plan.
StalinKar: Vas registrar con Gubment.
Slap: The Fuck I Am.

Posted by: Slapweasel (T) at October 15, 2013 07:40 PM (lq3Ak)

73 NDH,

I did this once before and based on the responses, I'm pretty sure it's not a computer generated response.

Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 07:41 PM (bmp0d)

74 I love how the insurance companies are free to offer any plan they want (with any options and coverage limits), and that the consumer needs or desires, just so long as the Obama ruling class has defined what options and coverage limits are permissible and specified what the acceptable consumer needs and desires are allowed to be.

Other than that no problem, bitches!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 15, 2013 07:41 PM (XdnQT)

75 69 I said the same thing a few days ago. I don't think it's live-chat. I think the responses are keyed to certain phrases... like Siri.

I get phone calls like that now. Fooled me for a little while the first time, now I amuse myself by coming up with questions that are outside the plan. "Say, what's the capitol of Texas?" The tip-off is that the voice is too good to be a regular person, has to be a voice actor. Plus, the little airy pause at the end of sentences.

Posted by: Splunge at October 15, 2013 07:41 PM (bKA83)

76 If that is a bot it passes my Turing Test.

Posted by: Beagle at October 15, 2013 07:42 PM (sOtz/)

77 Pretty Sure is a fine gal. ...She'll fuck ya'.

Posted by: Slapweasel (T) at October 15, 2013 07:42 PM (lq3Ak)

78 You can have any car you want, as long as it's a Model T. It can be any color you want, as long as it is black. Compliance!

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at October 15, 2013 07:43 PM (v6hyJ)

79 One day, and it will not be too long, there will be a day of reckoning. When that day comes all bets are off. Unintended consequences are a bitch.

Posted by: angel with a sword at October 15, 2013 07:43 PM (hpgw1)

80 Yeah.... and its a Prisoner's choice to stop breathing, once the firing squad fills him full of lead...

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 15, 2013 11:32 PM (lZBBB)

The good news is that we will bill your family for the bullets later, comrade!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 15, 2013 07:44 PM (XdnQT)

81 If life under King Obama sucks, well, no one forced you to try to make a living, did they?

Posted by: Splunge at October 15, 2013 07:44 PM (bKA83)

82 Minimum essential health benefits. To them we are cattle to be herded.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 07:45 PM (AO9UG)

83 Tobacco Road,

Calm down. I admit I'm TROLLING. It's by definition a stupid waste of time. I wouldn't even have posted it except that I thought that the rehearsed line meant to smear insurance companies was interesting.

But if you're gonna take a paycheck for helping to promote this ruinous shit, then I don't feel one bit guilty about dealing you some abuse.

If you think I'm the Big Problem with this country, I would suggest that your perspective is a bit off.

Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 07:45 PM (bmp0d)

84 This is not for naught. Cruz underscored, italicized, and put in bold conservative opposition to this. When peoples premiums, deductibles and taxes explode, they will know who to blame

Posted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 07:45 PM (zOTsN)

85 Isn't stomping the ONT a banning offense?

Or at least a round for the house?

Posted by: filbert at October 15, 2013 07:45 PM (FUbuZ)

86 I did this once before and based on the responses, I'm pretty sure it's not a computer generated response. *** You need a hobby.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 15, 2013 07:45 PM (DmNpO)

87 If life under King Obama sucks, well, no one forced you to try to make a living, did they?

Posted by: Splunge at October 15, 2013 11:44 PM (bKA83)

Serious you guys, you have a choice to keep living under King Obama or not!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 15, 2013 07:45 PM (XdnQT)

88 When peoples premiums, deductibles and taxes explode, they will know who to blame

Posted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 11:45 PM (zOTsN)

Optimist!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 15, 2013 07:46 PM (XdnQT)

89
btw, considering all the Ocare lies, I bet Magnolia is a dude.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 15, 2013 07:46 PM (N8z9m)

90 Eh, don't be a dick. She's making $10 an hour to do this job. This isn't Robert Gibbs here.

Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 15, 2013 07:47 PM (D8Yi3)

Minimum essential health benefits.

To them we are cattle to be herded.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 11:45 PM (AO9UG)

Individual Shared Responsibility Payment

. . . and sheep to be shorn

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 15, 2013 07:47 PM (BAS5M)

92 This is not for naught. Cruz underscored, italicized, and put in bold conservative opposition to this. When peoples premiums, deductibles and taxes explode, they will know who to blame *** I agree. R'pubs are now on the record as fighting against it and the Dems are on the record as refusing multiple attempts at funding the government. In the process, Obama has been revealed to be a more spiteful, petty, little tyrant of a man than even we had suspected. But... the folks who are still screaming for Boehner to "stay strong" need to stay away from the poker table. The man put up a fight and didn't get pissy and territorial when Cruz and Lee started talking to Cons in the House. I'm inclined to give Boehner a break on this one.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 15, 2013 07:48 PM (DmNpO)

93
"I did this once before and based on the responses, I'm pretty sure it's not a computer generated response."

You need a hobby.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

Or a girlfriend. Maybe two.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 15, 2013 07:49 PM (kdS6q)

94 "22 I boffed Magnolia and her taco smelled like fish" Lick it for many, many times before you wish to stick it.

Posted by: angel with a sword at October 15, 2013 07:49 PM (hpgw1)

95 It's a Siri bot. A live being would have hung up or bounced to a supervisor

Posted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 07:49 PM (zOTsN)

96 But if you're gonna take a paycheck for helping to promote this ruinous shit, then I don't feel one bit guilty about dealing you some abuse. Hold the phone! TR did what the NPS cops should have done: quit rather than play along.

Posted by: EC at October 15, 2013 07:50 PM (doBIb)

97 Silly? Yup.
ONT-Stomp? No.

-Your Friendly Neighborhood Slapweasel.

Posted by: Slapweasel (T) at October 15, 2013 07:50 PM (lq3Ak)

98 *close*

Posted by: Slapweasel (T) at October 15, 2013 07:50 PM (lq3Ak)

99 I don't give a fuck how much Magnolia is making at this gig. She is helping Obama turn the USA into a hopeless pile of junk.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 07:50 PM (AO9UG)

100 90 Eh, don't be a dick.

She's making $10 an hour to do this job. This isn't Robert Gibbs here.

Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 15, 2013 11:47 PM (D8Yi3)

**************

Should it be comfortable or uncomfortable for someone to get paid to advance this administration's malevolent goals?

If you work to advance Obamacare in any fashion, you're hurting me and my family. Go fucking find honest work.

Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 07:51 PM (bmp0d)

101 Being 58 years old, I will get outrageous premiums, a $6000 deductible and horrendous co-pays. But my kids are happy that I get free birth control, so they don't live in fear I bring home a new brother or sister.

Posted by: Ma Bell at October 15, 2013 07:52 PM (RLdcX)

102 When peoples premiums, deductibles and taxes explode, they will know who to blamePosted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 11:45 PM (zOTsN)
The news media will tell them to blame Republicans.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 15, 2013 07:53 PM (v1Ckr)

103 102 When peoples premiums, deductibles and taxes explode, they will know who to blamePosted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 11:45 PM (zOTsN) The news media will tell them to blame Republicans. Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 15, 2013 11:53 PM (v1Ckr) And Republicans will stand there with their thumbs up their asses.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 07:54 PM (AO9UG)

104 You dumb fucks. This is a call center contracting position. This isn't an OFA internship. Before this job, these poor souls were probably calling during dinner to see if you want to donate to the Police Benevolent Association. Now messing with the Navigators, who are generally political/union/acorn shrills making good money and doing this because they're passionate about glorious Obamcare? Sign me up for that.

Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 15, 2013 07:55 PM (D8Yi3)

105 It's a dem talking point that all conservatives want is repeal, repeated by the MFM. It's their baby. Let's hang it round their necks like a burning tire.

Posted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 07:55 PM (zOTsN)

106 You know what? This is funny, but I kind of feel bad for "Magnolia" here. You're calling her a FUCKFACE, for cryin' out loud. Anybody who ever had to take a job as a telemarketer during college knows how shitty and awful these sorts of gigs can be, and how you only take them because it's what's around. For all we know she's just some poor girl who had no job waiting for her when she graduated because the economy's in the perma-shitter.

I guess you could say that she's more likely than not to be a leftie because she's working for an Obamacare help desk, but I wouldn't be so sure myself...you'd be surprised where people end up when they're desperate for work and there isn't much available.

Obamacare is a fucking travesty. I prefer not to take it out on the low-level help-desk drone who gets paid a shit wage to do an impossible job.

Posted by: H.L. Mencken at October 15, 2013 07:55 PM (n/+FT)

107

"[10:48:27 pm]: Magnolia
If you liked your plan and it covered the minimum essential health benefits you could have kept it. It was the insurance company's decision to cancel it."

Come on Magnolia, be honest. You mean the insurance company decided to follow the law and cancel it, because the ACA made it illegal for them to offer it as previously written. "Paul's" previous plan didn't offer him essential benefits critical to maintaining his health as a young male, such as covering his potential mammogram, pap smear and hysterectomy needs, as well as ensuring he made contributions to provide birth control for deserving, underprivileged young women, such as Sandra Fluke. So, they had no choice but to cancel it. They were following the law, and doing what was best for him!

Posted by: Captain Glenn Quagmire at October 15, 2013 07:55 PM (qwYGH)

108 "What are you doing, Dave?"

Posted by: HAL 9000 at October 15, 2013 07:57 PM (KPkDc)

109 This a great line I just read: "Like the Stalinists and the Jacobins, todayÂ’s tea party zealots have purified their movement Â— not by executing but by driving away those Republicans who donÂ’t share their enthusiasm for wrecking their country if they canÂ’t compel the majority to embrace their notions. Today, there are fewer but Â“betterÂ” Republicans Â— if Â“betterÂ” means adhering to the tea party view that a United States not adhering to tea party values deserves to be brought to a clangorous halt." You lot are no different to Stalin and his adherents

Posted by: John at October 15, 2013 07:57 PM (hEVzO)

110 "magnolia" is prolly in a call center in India then

Posted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 07:57 PM (zOTsN)

111 104 You dumb fucks. This is a call center contracting position. This isn't an OFA internship. Before this job, these poor souls were probably calling during dinner to see if you want to donate to the Police Benevolent Association. Now messing with the Navigators, who are generally political/union/acorn shrills making good money and doing this because they're passionate about glorious Obamcare? Sign me up for that. Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 15, 2013 11:55 PM (D8Yi3) Irrelevant She is helping Obama fuck the USA up the ass.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 07:57 PM (AO9UG)

112 Would you like to know what I'm wearing, Jeff?

Posted by: magnolia at October 15, 2013 07:58 PM (eJvk4)

113 Crap, sock off.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 07:58 PM (n/+FT)

114 Not cool, dude. Let's keep it classy.

Posted by: discontinuity at October 15, 2013 07:58 PM (ff7kv)

115 90 This isn't Robert Gibbs here.

How do you know?
Have you seen Magnolia and Gibbs in a room at the same time?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 15, 2013 07:58 PM (pgQxn)

116 Posted by: John at October 15, 2013 11:57 PM (hEVzO) Replace "tea party zealots" with "extreme liberal fucktards" and "Republicans" with "Democrats", and you have a more accurate picture of what happened to "moderate" Democrats during the 90's and 00's. btw, whatever money OFA is paying you to troll - it's waaaaay too much.

Posted by: Thrawn at October 15, 2013 07:59 PM (ZyqBH)

117 Are you back already, John? I thought you left a little prematurely during our last talk.

Posted by: magnolia at October 15, 2013 07:59 PM (eJvk4)

118 OFA in the house tonight. "You lot" and all.

Posted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 07:59 PM (zOTsN)

119 Not so OT, but my mom called me proud as hell. McAullife drone called her house today and she picked up and they started in on the Cuccinelli hates womyn! Vibe. "Screw you and go to hell!" I wept.

Posted by: RWC at October 15, 2013 08:00 PM (LpbKr)

120 If you wanted to TROLL someone like this -- lead them around with goofy questions, funny stuff, etc, that would be one thing.

But hurling abuse at some random helpdesk employee who is 99% likely to be a contractor and not a dedicated O-Bot or anything? I dunno, seems pretty cruel to me. Save it for the OfA fucks or those turds on the street with clipboards and smug looks on their faces who ask you "do you have a few minutes to spare for the environment?" (My standard answer: "No, I'm generally opposed to nature in general. Let's throw a roof over the whole mess and get the whole place hooked up with central A/C as soon as possible.")

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 08:01 PM (n/+FT)

121 15 There be monsters on the Ocare website. Stay away or have your IP tracked by NSA.

Posted by: angel with a sword at October 15, 2013 11:19 PM (hpgw1)

Aye. Avoid that shit like a syphilitic hooker.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 08:01 PM (x3YFz)

122 Posted by: H.L. Mencken at October 15, 2013 11:55 PM (n/+FT) Its too late. The sides are forming.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 08:02 PM (AO9UG)

123 I'm inclined to give Boehner a break on this one.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 15, 2013 11:48 PM (DmNpO)

I'm inclined to agree with you, IF Boehner now has the spine to 'slowdown' each and every time now that the public sees that a week w/ uncle sugar at 83% is not a problem with this inflated spending levels, and that it highlights Barry and Harry Reid are mendacious d-bags

Posted by: phreshone at October 15, 2013 08:03 PM (Pr6hk)

124 Having worked several customer service positions, I know the hell that Magnolia and her co-workers are going to go through. Hundreds of angry people calling each and every day either bewildered or berserk over getting signed up for Obamacare, and ready to dump on the first live person who can talk to them. Sort of like taking those post-Christmas return calls when the customer didn't have the receipt or the return address.

Plus I can well imagine trying to field questions based on that giant cluster-fuck of a buggy system, with a rules set that makes 2nd edition AD&D look skinny and straightforward. The standard 4 weeks of training WON'T hack it!

Posted by: exdem13 at October 15, 2013 08:03 PM (kfSXj)

125 She's just doing her job

Posted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 08:04 PM (zOTsN)

126 If you wanted to TROLL someone like this -- lead them around with goofy questions, funny stuff, etc, that would be one thing.

a question of why you need to pay OBGYN coverage would have been classic

Posted by: phreshone at October 15, 2013 08:04 PM (Pr6hk)

127 ...riiight, Magnolia from Obamacare.

What are you wearing Magnolia?

Khakis?

Well. You. Sound. Hideous.

Posted by: some angry wife at 3 AM at October 15, 2013 08:04 PM (7EoL1)

128 She's just following orders

Posted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 08:05 PM (zOTsN)

129 I actually tried to register with the HCA website but was unsuccessful. If I can get registered and quoted an insurance offer I will report back to the Horde.

Posted by: Blacksheep at October 15, 2013 08:05 PM (bS6uW)

130 Before this job, these poor souls were probably calling during dinner to see if you want to donate to the Police Benevolent Association.

If that's the case, Warden was 100% justified in his actions.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 15, 2013 08:05 PM (JawqV)

131 Go Galt, morons. And do it beyond their incompetent reach.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at October 15, 2013 08:05 PM (JSmUP)

132 125 She's just doing her job Posted by: Thunderb at October 16, 2013 12:04 AM (zOTsN) So are we. Erect moar Barrycades!

Posted by: National Park Service at October 15, 2013 08:06 PM (ZyqBH)

133 128 She's just following orders

Posted by: Thunderb at October 16, 2013 12:05 AM (zOTsN)

Exactly!

Posted by: The SS at October 15, 2013 08:06 PM (x3YFz)

134 Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 12:01 AM (n/+FT) Magnolia is fair game.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 08:06 PM (AO9UG)

135 "Brian CObbs" is a paid professional shill. They're coming through www.mckinsey.com gateway machine.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 08:07 PM (l5zzX)

136 Her superiors told her to do it

Posted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 08:07 PM (zOTsN)

137 Now the last time I picked up a call from the RNC, civility was not an option

Posted by: phreshone at October 15, 2013 08:07 PM (Pr6hk)

138 >>>She's just following orders

I think it's safe to say there's a difference between a.) making $9.00 an hour to work the late night shift as a contractor manning the online helpdesk for a government program, and b.) herding Jews into gas chambers as part of the Nazi "Final Solution."

Feel free to disagree.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 08:08 PM (n/+FT)

139 Oh, that was delightful.

My five-minutes-of-laughter for the day! (Plus a few chuckles afterward...)

Pass this one around!

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at October 15, 2013 08:08 PM (UJNXZ)

140 Specifically: c-igate2.mckinsey.com

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 08:09 PM (l5zzX)

141 84 This is not for naught. Cruz underscored, italicized, and put in bold conservative opposition to this. When peoples premiums, deductibles and taxes explode, they will know who to blame Posted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 11:45 PM (zOTsN) That's what I figured the whole filibuster was all about anyway. They, ...He knew it wasn't getting defunded. Put a big exclamation point on the disaster and say: "See?"

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at October 15, 2013 08:09 PM (KPkDc)

142 I think it's safe to say there's a difference between a.) making $9.00 an hour to work the late night shift as a contractor manning the online helpdesk for a government program, and b.) herding Jews into gas chambers as part of the Nazi "Final Solution."

Feel free to disagree.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 12:08 AM (n/+FT)

The $9.00 would be a raise?

Posted by: The SS at October 15, 2013 08:09 PM (x3YFz)

143 Jeff B I have done that job. I cold called a million years ago. I was broke. I hated it. I quit and got another job

Posted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 08:09 PM (zOTsN)

144 I'd rather do cold calls for the GOP in the blue state of your choice than work CSR for Obamacare. There has to be 3 tiers of people to go through before you get somebody who can do something besides read pat answers off the monitor screen. "Paul" wasn't near as upset as someone who's had their prescription screwed up, declined by the insurance, and who isn't going to take "so sorry need to pay" as an answer.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 15, 2013 08:10 PM (kfSXj)

145 Now the last time I picked up a call from the RNC, civility was not an option *** They call constantly and I now recognize the phone number. I only answer about once every two weeks and, when I do, they most certainly hear exactly how I feel about them and their ilk.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 15, 2013 08:10 PM (DmNpO)

146 >>>"Brian CObbs" is a paid professional shill. They're coming through www.mckinsey.com gateway machine.

What does this mean and are you serious? I would hesitate to classify anyone as a "shill" based on their IP address. More likely that the guy just works for McKinsey. I know quite a few conservatives in the consulting business -- Bain, McKinsey, Boston Consulting, you name it.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 08:11 PM (n/+FT)

147 Warden, after reviewing your comments to "Magnolia", I would say that it was tasteless, but necessary. To stop Obamacare, we all have to pour sand in the gears whenever possible. If Magnolia was offended, and offended again tomorrow, and eventually quits, and a lot of other call center people keep quitting, because PEOPLE ARE MAD AS HELL, then this is one way of pouring sand in the gears. Obamacare is the tyranny of incompetence, and if we don't find ways to fight back, we are just rolling over.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at October 15, 2013 08:11 PM (v6hyJ)

148 There's a surprise.

Posted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 08:11 PM (zOTsN)

149 138 >>>She's just following orders I think it's safe to say there's a difference between a.) making $9.00 an hour to work the late night shift as a contractor manning the online helpdesk for a government program, and b.) herding Jews into gas chambers as part of the Nazi "Final Solution." Feel free to disagree. Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 12:08 AM (n/+FT) Of course there is a difference. Remember the Nazis didn't jump right from doing nothing to concentration camps. They worked it in stages. Magnolia deserves every bit of abuse she is getting because she us cashing those checks. Why she is doing it is not important.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 08:12 PM (AO9UG)

150 More likely that the guy just works for McKinsey.

Keep telling yourself that, the delusion will keep you warm at night.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 08:12 PM (l5zzX)

151 116 Posted by: John at October 15, 2013 11:57 PM (hEVzO) Hey, how'd that shutdown protest go for ya today? I see you had your little "Tea Tard" sign out there. Yeah, ...... Did all fourteen of you have fun?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at October 15, 2013 08:13 PM (KPkDc)

152 Also, Purp, if this is what paid shills are paid to do -- pop in randomly to a late-night comment thread to make a measured comment saying "Obamacare fucking sucks, but don't be a dick" -- then somebody isn't exactly getting Full Value On Their Money, if you know what I mean. Unless you know something I don't here, I'd say you're being unfair.

And if you do know something I don't, then share motherfucka!

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 08:13 PM (n/+FT)

153 I think it's safe to say there's a difference between a.) making $9.00 an hour to work the late night shift as a contractor manning the online helpdesk for a government program, and b.) herding Jews into gas chambers as part of the Nazi "Final Solution." And on the other hand, not everyone can pull the switch to release the Zyklon B, right? If you were a train mechanic who knew the trains you were fixing were used to haul Jews to the camps, would you rationalize away your little contribution to the Holocaust using the same logic? Small contributions are still contributions. I think being called some names is directly proportional to her contribution. In exchange for taking our tax dollars for this collective buttfucking, taking some shit is the least she can do.

Posted by: grognard at October 15, 2013 08:14 PM (cePbF)

154 It just occurred to me that if you were against Obamacare, you wouldn't mind this kind of abuse. You'd think it was funny because you would agree with it. You might even find a way to sneak in a subtle thumbs up.

So, still not feeling bad.

Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 08:14 PM (bmp0d)

155 It is somewhat dispassionate, but assuming "Magnolia" is actually an American, then this is in fact useful: By making it clear to her that there are people being negatively impacted. This way, when it comes time to take sides, she may stay on the sidelines, vice going up against people with a legitimate grievance and no mortal intentions of yielding any longer. At least she will know they gave fire in their hearts. She will gave to deyermine if she has the sane in hers. In other news, and since we are using foul language....the magnificent cocksucker Ryan wishes to pivot to immigration now, according to a PowerLine post. What is going to happen if immigration is passed is that what was America dies. Dies. Because we are going to get swamped by another crowd to be given first place at the diversity trough, who are going to be able to morph not giving them amnesty earlier into some sort of hate crime, and absolutely nothing about America not catering to Progs, African-Americans, or Hispanics will ever be accorded civic piety status again.

Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 08:14 PM (Y6JQy)

156 Magnolia may not be a camp guard yet, but I bet she'd volunteer.

Remember that study done with students who had were able to "shock" other students? (no shocks actually were administered).

Yeah. There's a little Gestapo in all of us.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 15, 2013 08:14 PM (lAZep)

157 NDH - I usually don't pick up (caller id on all my handsets), but they called the day of (or day after) Cruz's fillabuster, and Boehner and crew were shitting on Cruz/Lee and going into immediate preemptive cave mode, so I was SO ready to go off.

The next time they call, it will be a much more polite, 'Not a dime for the establishment in 2014 , i'll give to individual candidates like in 2010

Posted by: phreshone at October 15, 2013 08:15 PM (Pr6hk)

158
Of course there is a difference.

Remember the Nazis didn't jump right from doing nothing to concentration camps. They worked it in stages.

Magnolia deserves every bit of abuse she is getting because she us cashing those checks.

Why she is doing it is not important.

Posted by: eman at October 16, 2013 12:12 AM (AO9UG)

He doesn't get it. He won't get it. It's a waste of time trying to explain to him that Obamacare is EXACTLY the equivalent of concentration camps. Except now taxpayer-funded, takes a bit longer, but the end result is the same.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 08:15 PM (x3YFz)

159 Anyone trolling blogs through corporate assets is either a fucking idiot in the extreme risking their job, or being paid to do it.

Occam's Razor suggests the later due to the timing.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 08:15 PM (l5zzX)

160 I've enjoyed (too much) trolling the Esquire.com site of C.P. Pierce. I may have to visit this one.

Posted by: logprof at October 15, 2013 08:15 PM (4BA+Y)

161 Warden was just trolling her. Wait 'till poor Magnolia-chan gets a call from someone who really has a problem with the system, like getting declined for a procedure, or being told that under Obamacare their $5,000 deductible needs to be cleared first, or that they'll HAVE to take the generic brand med instead of their name brand which they've had for THE LAST TWENTY YEARS!!

Ugh, getting flashbacks now. No angry like medical-CSR angry, unless it's the week before and after Xmas at Hammacher Schlemmer. Some people lose all the "happy" in their happy holidays....

Posted by: exdem13 at October 15, 2013 08:16 PM (kfSXj)

162 Is 'Magnolia' a Navigator? If so, F her. Fair game.

Posted by: RWC at October 15, 2013 08:16 PM (LpbKr)

163

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 16, 2013 12:14 AM (lAZep)

Milgram Experiment

Posted by: phreshone at October 15, 2013 08:17 PM (Pr6hk)

164 >>>Keep telling yourself that, the delusion will keep you warm at night.

Look, I'm willing to be convinced here. But it just doesn't follow any business model or consulting contract I'm aware of -- and I know from this industry, I'm not just talking out of my ass. I get the idea of paid comment trolling, but that sort of stuff looks and feels much different.

Again, I'm willing to be wrong here, but I need more than "a guy who could be posting from work because he's trapped in his office late at night is actually clearly a paid shill who is doing a very poor job of executing his appointed task" to be convinced. :-)

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 08:17 PM (n/+FT)

165 Wait--call center phone jockeys are being compared to engineers driving Holocaust trains now? FFS.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 08:17 PM (i2t2+)

166 Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 12:13 AM (n/+FT) Random? Not likely. Measured? Go back and read them again. And you want to blog post here? I think Magnolia should be given a try first.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 08:18 PM (AO9UG)

167 If every conscientious Obamacare objector would get online and on the phone and do this, it would clog the system up and further damage Obamacare in general. This needs to be a campaign -- clog the Obamacare help lines, lodge protests through the help lines. Just like the website getting overloaded, overload the chat and phones, keep them busy spinning their wheels.

Posted by: AAA at October 15, 2013 08:18 PM (hQJ+o)

168 Sure, whatever Jeff, you're the troll hunting expert here. You win

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 08:19 PM (l5zzX)

169

I used to sock troll this place till purp gave me the banhammer a while back

ugggggh

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 15, 2013 08:19 PM (nooa6)

170 Remember the Nazis didn't jump right from doing nothing to concentration camps. They worked it in stages. *** Just turn up the jolt one more notch. It'll he fiiine. - Milgram

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 15, 2013 08:19 PM (DmNpO)

171 And on the other hand, not everyone can pull the switch to release the Zyklon B, right? Hey, we didn't just hire anyone for that. Well, maybe we did, a little.

Posted by: Zombie Reinhard Heydrich, now OFA at October 15, 2013 08:19 PM (KPkDc)

172 Wait--call center phone jockeys are being compared to engineers driving Holocaust trains now? FFS. Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 16, 2013 12:17 AM (i2t2+) Fuck you. Learn metaphor. And learn to read. The metaphor was a mechanic. But in your haste to sound holier-than-thou, you fucked that little detail up. I said what she got was proportional. Jesus, you argue like a leftist.

Posted by: grognard at October 15, 2013 08:19 PM (cePbF)

173 Well, whatever. I don't buy the "paid shill" aspect. (Seriously, what does any paying customer gain from paying a firm to go around defending civility towards random helpdesk employees -- not the Obamacare policy itself, just the principle of "don't be a jerk to low-level drones?") And I do think it's a little rude to call some poor random girl a "fuckface."

But it's not the end of the world. Nobody had their hearts broken or their souls sucked out of their bodies Shang Tsung-style because of this. It's not worth fighting about anymore, either -- everyone's free to feel as they wish, no harm no foul. So g'night everyone, and be of good health.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 08:21 PM (n/+FT)

174 165 Wait--call center phone jockeys are being compared to engineers driving Holocaust trains now? FFS.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 16, 2013 12:17 AM (i2t2+)

Engineers driving the trains? Probably not. Maybe just the ones putting the locks on the doors. Or those that tagged the luggage. Probably more accurate.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 08:21 PM (x3YFz)

175 I think Magnolia should be given a try first. Posted by: eman at October 16, 2013 12:18 AM (AO9UG) Umm, DeeDee should get dibs. Piers and BET left her high and dry.

Posted by: RWC at October 15, 2013 08:21 PM (LpbKr)

176 OT: chris angel is a talentless fag

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 15, 2013 08:21 PM (nooa6)

177 When does the Health Insurance Marketplace Live Chat get outsourced to Mumbai or Delhi? Then it'll be really helpful.

Posted by: BignJames at October 15, 2013 08:21 PM (HtUkt)

178 The next time they call, it will be a much more polite, 'Not a dime for the establishment in 2014 , i'll give to individual candidates like in 2010 *** I never curse at them but I do tell them that I will be sending money directly to the candidates that I support and that as long as they continue to support Graham and McCain and as long as they put forth the notion that Jeb Bush is a conservative, I will continue to do so.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 15, 2013 08:22 PM (DmNpO)

179 This is why we can't have nice things. Like boobehs on the ONT

Posted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 08:22 PM (zOTsN)

180 I bet Magnolia likes Tom Hanks' movies, and didn't always rewind rented VHS tapes back in the day.

Posted by: Severe Conservative Riding Orca at October 15, 2013 08:23 PM (v6hyJ)

181 "Fuck you. Learn metaphor. And learn to read. The metaphor was a mechanic. But in your haste to sound holier-than-thou, you fucked that little detail up. "I said what she got was proportional. Jesus, you argue like a leftist." No, I know it's a metaphor. My point is it's a terrible one. I'd prefer we leave the overblown Holocaust metaphors to the lefty idiots. Apologies for getting the occupation of the Holocaust-enabler wrong.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 08:23 PM (i2t2+)

182 169
I used to sock troll this place till purp gave me the banhammer a while back
ugggggh

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 16, 2013 12:19 AM (nooa6)

zigged when you shoulda zagged? Navy guys always get caught LOL

/runs away

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 08:23 PM (x3YFz)

183 I don't buy the "paid shill" aspect.

Dood...Mckinsey is a whole fucking company dedicated to paid shilling, THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. Much of that is targeted towards cranking out research and reports supporting O-care. Get real.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 08:23 PM (l5zzX)

184 174 Let's just go with Poles who turned in or shot Jewish escapees from Sobibor in order to keep the Germans off their own neck.

Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 08:24 PM (Y6JQy)

185 Engineers driving the trains? Probably not. Maybe just the ones putting the locks on the doors. Or those that tagged the luggage. Probably more accurate. Posted by: tangonine at October 16, 2013 12:21 AM (x3YFz) Rest assured, they were making less than $9.00/hr. . . I think.

Posted by: Zombie Reinhard Heydrich, now OFA at October 15, 2013 08:25 PM (KPkDc)

186 Dood...Mckinsey is a whole fucking company dedicated to paid shilling, THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. Much of that is targeted towards cranking out research and reports supporting O-care. Get real. I wonder what their online shill pay is like.

Posted by: EC at October 15, 2013 08:25 PM (doBIb)

187

182 Navy guys always get caught LOL

I have noticed while playing MA that drunk sailors do the dumbest shit while drunk and they'll do it in front of an MA

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 15, 2013 08:26 PM (nooa6)

188 OT: chris angel is a talentless fag

His schtick got old after about...

...10 seconds.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 08:26 PM (l5zzX)

189 I think the divide here is that there is a very large and growing group of people who are done being nice and polite to people who are fucking our friends, family, neighbors, and ourselves out of their health and livelihoods by either direct participation or tacit agreement. And some people can't stomach serving up what these people deserve - a little shame and ridicule. Politeness went out the door when they voted for a fucking Communist for President and the IRS to take over healthcare.

Posted by: grognard at October 15, 2013 08:26 PM (cePbF)

190 I wonder what their online shill pay is like. Posted by: EC
************************

If it's like $9 per hour or less, then you're obligated to be nice.

Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 08:26 PM (bmp0d)

191 No, I know it's a metaphor. My point is it's a terrible one. I'd prefer we leave the overblown Holocaust metaphors to the lefty idiots. No, no....go ahead. It's alright.

Posted by: Zombie Reinhard Heydrich, now OFA at October 15, 2013 08:26 PM (KPkDc)

192 OMG. the AOL homepage has a story about MoH recipient William Swenson. The hate that TFG has for him (and military in general) is felt through the picture. Looks like Reggie used a barbed cock 'for her pleasure' device and he forgot about it. Fuck I hate that bastard.

Posted by: RWC at October 15, 2013 08:27 PM (LpbKr)

193 176 OT: chris angel is a talentless fag

Your point being?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 15, 2013 08:27 PM (pgQxn)

194 As to calling a call center jockey equal to anyone involved with the Holocaust; that was made manifest by the Nuremburg trials.

"I was just following orders" was not a viable defense.

"I wasn't aware of the gas chambers" was not a viable defense.

"I only guarded the perimeter" was not a viable defense.

Even those peripheral individuals involved with prisoners working in industry were not immune to the charge.

The only reason the whole country wasn't individually charged with war crimes is because about then the Russians got very belligerent and it became glaringly obvious that they were spoiling for a fight and were themselves murdering repatriated troops, German POW's and would've have swept through Germany if we had begun to imprison and punish the German Army for the Holocaust.

The German people, knowing the specifics or not, were responsible for the Holocaust.

Sort of like felony murder where when anyone dies during a felony the perpetrators face Murder 1.

The German people elected, applauded and gleefully went to war for the perpetrators of the holocaust. Therefore they bear the blame also.

Anyone who so much as gave/gives any aid and comfort for the passage and continued deployment of the ACA must bear the blame for it's current and future negative results.

And there will be negative results if those clowns don't get off their imaginary ponies and decide that what we're telling them is the truth and that they will be out of office and out of town if they continue to allow it to continue.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 15, 2013 08:28 PM (lAZep)

195

190 it's more like $25.00 because they are 'essential'

***spit***

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 15, 2013 08:28 PM (nooa6)

196 Just a reminder for those determined to feel sympathetic about Magnolia-chan, remember she is the face of Big Brother Doctor to the caller. She at $10/hr is allowed to yes/no on the caller's health care. Screw "fairness" the rules are the rules, and she's the ball-buster Dungeon Master smacking them with the rules. No shortcut, no exception, new edition of the rules, and what she says goes. Wanna appeal to the supervisor? Fine, now the caller gets to see what REAL obstructionism is like.

And there is no further appeal, to the doctor, to the insurance company, to no one else. Because it's the government. And Magnolia-chan, the $10/hr CSR rep, is telling people how healthy they are allowed to be, and for how much of a payment. That is why we never wanted Obamacare passed IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

Posted by: exdem13 at October 15, 2013 08:28 PM (kfSXj)

197 I'm all for shame and ridicule. I'm 25, it's all I'm really good at. =P Just heard the retarded "fascist" bullshit too many times to not roll my eyes when it comes out.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 08:28 PM (i2t2+)

198 Why is there no linky for this?

Posted by: logprof at October 15, 2013 08:28 PM (4BA+Y)

199 Paul has just had a pointless conversation with an automated response system

Posted by: Barack at October 15, 2013 08:29 PM (EhVFg)

200

193 Your point being?

that he's a talentless fag, no more, no less

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 15, 2013 08:29 PM (nooa6)

201 --from the left-- to clarify, lest it be interpreted differently.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 08:29 PM (i2t2+)

202 I have noticed while playing MA that drunk sailors do the dumbest shit while drunk and they'll do it in front of an MA

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 16, 2013 12:26 AM (nooa6)

And this is why, when deployed, we always sought out you squids or jarheads to drink with: when things go pear shaped us wingnuts evac and you guys go testosterone. We do take good pictures of the action though. Those flex cuffs have to hurt!

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 08:29 PM (x3YFz)

203 "Or those that tagged the luggage" At the camp end, it would have been inmates who knew they would be the last one in the ovens. That is why it is okay to give someone working the system a little grief. I just lost a good opportunity because I did so, but showing reasoned defiance is a requirement now. I.e., we need to be throwing the Skipper's palmtree overboard on a routine basis.

Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 08:29 PM (Y6JQy)

204 NDH - I didn't work blue... loud, dismissive, angry, yes, but I don't work blue (in those circumstances)

Posted by: phreshone at October 15, 2013 08:31 PM (Pr6hk)

205 181 "Fuck you. Learn metaphor. And learn to read. The metaphor was a mechanic. But in your haste to sound holier-than-thou, you fucked that little detail up. "I said what she got was proportional. Jesus, you argue like a leftist." No, I know it's a metaphor. My point is it's a terrible one. I'd prefer we leave the overblown Holocaust metaphors to the lefty idiots. Apologies for getting the occupation of the Holocaust-enabler wrong. Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 16, 2013 12:23 AM (i2t2+) Nightmares can happen anywhere at any time. Imagine you are living in Germany in 1931 and someone asks you what you think Germany will be like in 1945. If you answered " A smoldering crater that killed 50 million people" they would not have called you a seer. You have to fight tyranny when it is young and feeble. Magnolia, knowingly or not, serves tyranny. Fuck her.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 08:31 PM (AO9UG)

206 Magnolia, knowingly or not, serves tyranny.

Fuck her.

Posted by: eman at October 16, 2013 12:31 AM (AO9UG)

Pre fucking cisely.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 08:32 PM (x3YFz)

207 People take worse abuse in the comments section of Ace of Spades than I dealt out to probably-a-real-human Magnolia.

Look, I was mostly fucking around. But also, I was curious as to what responses I would get to certain questions. The fuckface thing was some genuine anger at being told by her that it's the insurance company's fault that Obamacare outlawed certain plans.

So I'm not going to try to pretend it was some revolutionary act. It was me dicking off and killing time.

But...

What if we made life uncomfortable for people on all levels who help advance the leftist cause?

Is that a good plan or a bad plan? I think it's a good plan.

Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 08:32 PM (bmp0d)

208 Professional shill Brian Cobbs here. I apologize for my rude comments. As a follow-up to this brilliant plan, why don't we follow-up this plan by prank-calling the janitors who work at CMS. Let's get them! This will stop ObamaCare!!!

Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 15, 2013 08:33 PM (D8Yi3)

209 But... What if we made life uncomfortable for people on all levels who help advance the leftist cause? Is that a good plan or a bad plan? I think it's a good plan. Posted by: Warden at October 16, 2013 12:32 AM (bmp0d) --Yes.

Posted by: logprof at October 15, 2013 08:33 PM (4BA+Y)

210 To quote Al Sharpton, Resist we much!

Posted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 08:33 PM (zOTsN)

211 Fuck Magnolia. She most likely voted for Obama so may she rot in hell. Oh and FUCK YOU Magnolia.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 08:34 PM (fSKOI)

212

202 never wore them, even in training

now handcuffs, oh yeah, many many times

the last pair I wore (long story and it was my little sister's fault) is hanging from my rearview mirror

heh, first thing pgis noticed when she was in my car (I hid the gloves and duct tape)

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 15, 2013 08:34 PM (nooa6)

213 Is that a good plan or a bad plan? I think it's a good plan.

Posted by: Warden at October 16, 2013 12:32 AM (bmp0d)

Good plan. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 08:35 PM (x3YFz)

214 But I am Austrian not German!

Posted by: magnolia at October 15, 2013 08:35 PM (eJvk4)

215 No, I know it's a metaphor. My point is it's a terrible one. I'd prefer we leave the overblown Holocaust metaphors to the lefty idiots. Apologies for getting the occupation of the Holocaust-enabler wrong. It's not a terrible metaphor, if you understand proportion. Magnolia's job in relation to Obamacare is comparable, in terms of proportion, to the train mechanic's contribution to the Holocaust. No one is equivocating Obamacare with the Holocaust. What's being said is that a small contribution to evil IS still a contribution to evil, and deserves to be answered proportionally. You, and those arguing like you, say that the alarm over people "just following orders" is ridiculous because Obamacare is nothing like the Holocaust. Well, you're right. It's not. But it's evil, and these people are enabling it. So they get a pass? And we're also not supposed to be alarmed when a great proportion of those supposedly our fellow countrymen will accept "following orders" as a justifiable defense for ANY level of shitty behavior? Especially in light of the more recent attacks on the 2nd Amendment, and the militarization of law enforcement? It's never a justifiable defense. Understandable, maybe, in some cases. But its never justifiable to contribute to the fucking over of a fellow American for your own gain, no matter how small the paycheck. A few swear words is a small price to pay.

Posted by: grognard at October 15, 2013 08:35 PM (cePbF)

216 As an aside, magnolia leaves are a fucking bitch to rake.

Posted by: logprof at October 15, 2013 08:35 PM (4BA+Y)

217 189 I think the divide here is that there is a very large and growing group of people who are done being nice and polite to people who are fucking our friends, family, neighbors, and ourselves out of their health and livelihoods by either direct participation or tacit agreement.

And some people can't stomach serving up what these people deserve - a little shame and ridicule.

Politeness went out the door when they voted for a fucking Communist for President and the IRS to take over healthcare.

Posted by: grognard at October 16, 2013 12:26 AM (cePbF)

Fuck them. Fuck Politeness. I'm tired of conservatives taking the "high road" only to have our teeth kicked in. Make life uncomfortable for those serving the left, they are collaborators, knowingly or not, in their evil control freak agendas.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 15, 2013 08:36 PM (M1gmo)

218 "What if we made life uncomfortable for people on all levels who help advance the leftist cause?" Gotta pick the right battles. One sick burn etched into someone's memory is a lot more meaningful than being dismissed as a constant nag.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 08:36 PM (i2t2+)

219 Is that a good plan or a bad plan? I think it's a good plan. Posted by: Warden at October 16, 2013 12:32 AM (bmp0d) Having just been retaliated against for going up against the Left, I'd say as a practical matter it helps to have a secure supply line. I'll survive, but it was effortless for them, and irritating to my feelings.

Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 08:36 PM (Y6JQy)

220 >>>You have to fight tyranny when it is young and feeble.

Yes, and this is exactly the place where you strike a blow. Rest assured, the transcript of this helpdesk conversation are going to show up in Obama's PDB tomorrow morning, if not sooner (he might be awakened in the night by one of those proverbial 3:00AM phone calls).

The more we harass low-level helpdesk employees, the more the mighty will feel our wrath and tremble in fear.

(C'mon now, don't you think your rhetoric here is just the slightest bit overheated?)

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 08:36 PM (n/+FT)

221

205 my grandfather was a world war 2 vet

for the Italian navy

he used to tell me what it was like back in Italy during the mussolini times

we don't want that here

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 15, 2013 08:36 PM (nooa6)

222 Constructive Criticism from this end Warden. If you have been more patient, you could have wasted waaaay more of her time, and possibly given her a nervous breakdown. Learn from your mistakes and do us proud next time.

Do appreciate that the 'talking point' on blaming the insurance companies is a part of the official script and not just DailyBeast commenters

Posted by: phreshone at October 15, 2013 08:36 PM (Pr6hk)

223 Paul has just had a pointless conversation with an automated response system

Pretty much. Paul argued with someone in India (or a basement in Windsor, Ontario... same thing) who was paid $8/hr to answer such calls and to shift the blame upon the kulaks.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo, or texan hobo - same thing at October 15, 2013 08:36 PM (d7tB2)

224 Fuck this, fuck that, and especially that over there!

Posted by: Thunderb at October 15, 2013 08:37 PM (zOTsN)

225 If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the ~~problem~~ precipitate. hahahaha!

Posted by: chemistry humor at October 15, 2013 08:38 PM (2t94m)

226 220 >>>You have to fight tyranny when it is young and feeble. Yes, and this is exactly the place where you strike a blow. Rest assured, the transcript of this helpdesk conversation are going to show up in Obama's PDB tomorrow morning, if not sooner (he might be awakened in the night by one of those proverbial 3:00AM phone calls). The more we harass low-level helpdesk employees, the more the mighty will feel our wrath and tremble in fear. (C'mon now, don't you think your rhetoric here is just the slightest bit overheated?) Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 12:36 AM (n/+FT) If you had a chance to go back in time and kill Hitler, wouldn't you? I personally would not because I think he's awesome. . . .

Posted by: Eric Cartman at October 15, 2013 08:38 PM (4BA+Y)

227 I was never a Party member!

Posted by: magnolia at October 15, 2013 08:38 PM (eJvk4)

228 222 And his point that it was the government that made it an impossible plan was a good rejoinder. Because truth.

Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 08:38 PM (Y6JQy)

229 >>>I don't feel all that well so it seems stupid to go on vacation this week. Ace, whats up with that? You seem to not feel well a lot. That shit can be handled, just need some positive vibes...too drunk right now to explain the secret, but it mostly involves realizing that life is filled with a tragic sense of loss so you might as well have a good time, man! My life is FUCKED. And I am generally happy. You can be too, if you want.

Posted by: Eton Cox at October 15, 2013 08:38 PM (QCc6B)

230 What Warden / Paul did do, that was of value, was to reveal to the world that the Obamacare playbook is to blame the insurance companies. Obamacare is indeed set up to gin up a mob against the insurance companies.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo, or texan hobo - same thing at October 15, 2013 08:38 PM (d7tB2)

231 >>>Fuck this, fuck that, and especially that over there!

That really has become the signature .GIF of AoSHQ recently, hasn't it? I love TruConCat.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 08:39 PM (n/+FT)

232 "The more we harass low-level helpdesk employees, the more the mighty will feel our wrath and tremble in fear." I thought you went to bed R1N0 SCUM1111? =P

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 08:39 PM (i2t2+)

233 I wonder what their online shill pay is like.

Very good indeed. Mckinsey has a phat contract with HHS.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 08:39 PM (l5zzX)

234 Fuck them. Fuck Politeness. I'm tired of conservatives taking the "high road" only to have our teeth kicked in. Make life uncomfortable for those serving the left, they are collaborators, knowingly or not, in their evil control freak agendas. Posted by: NWConservative at October 16, 2013 12:36 AM (M1gmo) ________ AMEN

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 08:39 PM (fSKOI)

235 202 never wore them, even in training
now handcuffs, oh yeah, many many times

the last pair I wore (long story and it was my little sister's fault) is hanging from my rearview mirror
heh, first thing pgis noticed when she was in my car (I hid the gloves and duct tape)

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 16, 2013 12:34 AM (nooa6)

my nic here (t9) comes from being (there were never 8 others, that's another story) a punching bag for air base quick response teams (called EST's back then).

I spent a good portion of my time faceplanted, flex cuffed, with a 9 in the back of my skull that they just called me t9... hence... Hey, I didn't pick it, some asshole MSgt started calling me that and it stuck.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 08:40 PM (x3YFz)

236

speaking of the musso, here's a quote from him

see if it is happening here

"Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived in their relation to the State"

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 15, 2013 08:41 PM (nooa6)

237 11 Magnolia is a hawt name. I bet she's cute. Like Peggy.

Posted by: Slow Joe at October 15, 2013 08:41 PM (XFTOV)

238 177 When does the Health Insurance Marketplace Live Chat get outsourced to Mumbai or Delhi? Then it'll be really helpful. Posted by: BignJames at October 16, 2013 12:21 AM (HtUkt) ____________ Hello there, I am John, it will be my utmost pleasure to assist you. Say, did you view the football match last evening between the Giants of New York and the Patriots of New England?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 08:41 PM (fSKOI)

239 Brian CObbs,

Well, whatcha doing here? Couldn't you be somewhere beating Obamacare with your big, giant brain?

Why are you fucking off wasting time on this post? Go! Fight! Win!

Why would you waste time on what is admittedly a bunch of juvenile bullshit? Go fight the Serious Fight!

Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 08:41 PM (bmp0d)

240 88 When peoples premiums, deductibles and taxes explode, they will know who to blame Obviously it was the fault of those lying, rayciss Rethuglicans because they didn't work with President Obama on this. Their lack of cooperation forced the Democrats to pass a crappy bill for which the Tea Tards are responsible. Mark my words.

Posted by: runningrn at October 15, 2013 08:41 PM (PLOz8)

241 220 >>>You have to fight tyranny when it is young and feeble. Yes, and this is exactly the place where you strike a blow. Rest assured, the transcript of this helpdesk conversation are going to show up in Obama's PDB tomorrow morning, if not sooner (he might be awakened in the night by one of those proverbial 3:00AM phone calls). The more we harass low-level helpdesk employees, the more the mighty will feel our wrath and tremble in fear. (C'mon now, don't you think your rhetoric here is just the slightest bit overheated?) Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 12:36 AM (n/+FT) No, I don't. I do find your weak sarcasm weak. ObamaCare is evil and Magnolia is paid to support an evil plan. So, fuck her.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 08:42 PM (AO9UG)

242 The more we harass low-level helpdesk employees, the more the mighty will feel our wrath and tremble in fear. (C'mon now, don't you think your rhetoric here is just the slightest bit overheated?) Nope. Just who do you think is the bedrock of collectivism? Small minded dipshits just following orders, that's who.

Posted by: grognard at October 15, 2013 08:43 PM (cePbF)

243 I; Hello..is your refrigerator running?
Mags;What
I; Is your f**king refrigerator running?
Mags;What..I don't understand...
I; I got a bet the Brian Dennehy is faster than your fridge,so, I ask you..is your refrigerator running[could like..clock it?]

Posted by: art garfunkels ugly kid at October 15, 2013 08:43 PM (AGPdf)

244 If Magnolia doesn't want the abuse she should take up a more honorable profession... like prostitution... where she provides a good or service that people actually want instead of flacking for something where everyone is being forced to comply at gunpoint. What she is doing is far less honorable than what the typical crack whore does for a living.

If the insurance companies weren't forced to drop non-compliant plans then Magnolia sure as hell wasn't forced to take this job. She chose to insert herself into things which are none of her business, and get between us and our doctors and insurance companies. Magnolia does not get a pass for what she is doing. No one makes her sit there and lie all day.

She can't hide behind the law either. Just because the law allows something does not mean that she bears no personal responsibility for her actions. She needs to be ostracized and it needs to be made known to her that what she has done has made her unfit for the company of decent people.

There needs to be a stigma attached to these sorts of jobs just due to the simple fact that the people who take them are doing evil. There is no upside to pretending otherwise.

Posted by: Thatch at October 15, 2013 08:43 PM (qYvEa)

245

Looks like Andrew ran away like a little coward after he got caught in his lie.

Posted by: buzzion at October 15, 2013 08:44 PM (LI48c)

246 It's teaching learned helplessness.

Posted by: andrew at October 15, 2013 08:44 PM (KPYB8)

247 230 Bingo--MinTruth will maneuever to have us thinking the min ObamaCare plan is the lowest humane level possible, and that the insurance comapanies were giving us shoddy products for years, ignoring the fact basically all of us with individual plans *always* had options to go with more bells and whistles. ObamaCare basically outlaws the basic Honda Civic and says you must all buy a GM mid-level four door sedan. The kind with the cheap plastic dash and rattles in the door, but that they try to pass off as a world-killer..

Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 08:45 PM (Y6JQy)

248 242 The more we harass low-level helpdesk employees, the more the mighty will feel our wrath and tremble in fear. (C'mon now, don't you think your rhetoric here is just the slightest bit overheated?) Nope. Just who do you think is the bedrock of collectivism? Small minded dipshits just following orders, that's who. Posted by: grognard at October 16, 2013 12:43 AM (cePbF) --Wasn't that one of the main themes of Tolkein's LOTR trilogy? --the service of bureaucratic factota to an evil power?

Posted by: logprof at October 15, 2013 08:45 PM (4BA+Y)

249 Why are you fucking off wasting time on this post?

Because Mckinsey has HHS contracts for PR/spin/damage control.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 08:45 PM (l5zzX)

250 I suppose at this point I should reveal that I've been a McKinsey consultant for something going on ten years now. The money I've been paid to RINO it up here on AoSHQ has been sweet indeed. Went swimming in it the other day. No really -- dug a big hole the size of one of those backyard kidney-shaped pools, filled it with my crazy-blogtrolling-consultant cash, and just backstroked the fuck out of that.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 08:45 PM (n/+FT)

251 246 It's teaching learned helplessness.

Posted by: andrew at October 16, 2013 12:44 AM (KPYB

Sorry to intrude but how do you teach something that's learned, again?

/notepad ready

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 08:46 PM (x3YFz)

252 Hello there, I am John, it will be my utmost pleasure to assist you. Say, did you view the football match last evening between the Giants of New York and the Patriots of New England? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 16, 2013 12:41 AM (fSKOI) John....Pete, Mike, Joe, Bill, Tom, Nick.....is Rufus there?

Posted by: BignJames at October 15, 2013 08:46 PM (HtUkt)

253 But... the folks who are still screaming for Boehner to "stay strong" need to stay away from the poker table. The man put up a fight and didn't get pissy and territorial when Cruz and Lee started talking to Cons in the House. I'm inclined to give Boehner a break on this one. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 15, 2013 11:48 PM (DmNpO) ________ You think Pelosi minds when Reid talks to Dems in the house? No. They're on the same team. Senate/House are two arms of the same monster for the Dems. This whole "oh noes, Senators are butting into House business, whatever shall we do" bullshit from Boner & Co. is part of the problem.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 08:46 PM (fSKOI)

254 Why hasn't this "$2,500" question been asked to the Fuhrers face yet? It was his most obvious and despicable lie in the campaign, and yet for pointing it out, we were called racists.

Everywhere Obama goes he should be bombarded with monopoly-like $2500 bills.. It would be freaking hilarious and something to cheer us up before the civil war breaks out.

Our once great nation.. destroyed. So a spoiled rich black kid can make his communist dad proud by destroying the US. YAY AMERICA! YOU DID IT!

Posted by: Bob Costos at October 15, 2013 08:46 PM (EMXOQ)

255 Time to form some bands of Maquis.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 15, 2013 08:46 PM (lAZep)

256 Oh man, I'm pissed now. Wonder if this is behind the sudden push for a deal:

"While there was no basis to believe that is the case, a USDA (the currently shuttered agency that administers the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program) memo obtained by the Crossroads Urban Center in Utah carries in it a very disturbing warning for the 46+ million Americans currently on foodstamps.

To wit: "understanding the operational issues and constraints that States face, and in the interest of preserving maximum flexibility, we are directing States to hold their November issuance files and delay transmission to State electronic benefit transfer (EBT) vendors until further notice." In other words, as Fox13News summarizes, "States across the country are being told to stop the supplemental nutrition assistance program for the month of November, pending further notice.""

Basically no one gets SNAP in November if the gov is still closed? Burning times?

Link to the story in sig.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at October 15, 2013 08:47 PM (K1JW0)

257 John....Pete, Mike, Joe, Bill, Tom, Nick.....is Rufus there? Posted by: BignJames at October 16, 2013 12:46 AM (HtUkt) ______ Yes, yes. They are all here. They are all at lunch at mid priced American restaurant Chili's

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 08:48 PM (fSKOI)

258 Yep, if I don't agree with this brilliant strategy I must therefore support Obamacare! Nice reasoning. The whole thing is collapsing on its own. You being a jackass to someone who may or may not have voted for Obama or have any political views at all has nothing to do with that. In your mind, when it does collapse in ~6 months, do you think we'll look back to tonight, when you chewed out a $10 call center agent, and say: "that wasn't the end, and that wasn't even the beginning of the end. But thanks to Warden, we saw the end of the beginning".

Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 15, 2013 08:48 PM (D8Yi3)

259 250 I suppose at this point I should reveal that I've been a McKinsey consultant for something going on ten years now. The money I've been paid to RINO it up here on AoSHQ has been sweet indeed. Went swimming in it the other day. No really -- dug a big hole the size of one of those backyard kidney-shaped pools, filled it with my crazy-blogtrolling-consultant cash, and just backstroked the fuck out of that.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 12:45 AM (n/+FT)

If that was supposed to be funny I have a metric shit ton of comedians on NETFLIX I need you to watch for homework.

Because... F

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 08:48 PM (x3YFz)

260 --Wasn't that one of the main themes of Tolkein's LOTR trilogy? --the service of bureaucratic factota to an evil power? I don't get that out of LOTR as much as I get this: Evil will always be enabled by flawed and selfish men. It may go away for a while, but it always comes back, and it must never be forgotten, and always resisted. Also, the contributions of even the least can make a huge difference.

Posted by: grognard at October 15, 2013 08:48 PM (cePbF)

261 All responses was done from a list of programmed responses that the person had to pick one from. It might have even been a bot like Siri doing all chat responses and no human is involved and nothing it is not helpful in any way.

Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at October 15, 2013 08:48 PM (bkAvJ)

262 Have you guys ever actually tried diving into a gigantic vault filled with coins, Scrooge McDuck-style? I did after going to the bank and getting my crazy blogtrolling consultant cash denominated in shiny new nickels, and let me tell that shit hurts like a motherfucker. Got Jefferson-shaped welts all over my torso right now.

Forewarned is forearmed.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 08:48 PM (n/+FT)

263 260 The return to the Shire.

Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 08:49 PM (Y6JQy)

264 255 Time to form some bands of Maquis.

Not necessary. The American empire is already dead. Such a huge corpse takes a while to hit the ground.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 08:49 PM (l5zzX)

265 250 I suppose at this point I should reveal that I've been a McKinsey consultant for something going on ten years now. The money I've been paid to RINO it up here on AoSHQ has been sweet indeed. Went swimming in it the other day. No really -- dug a big hole the size of one of those backyard kidney-shaped pools, filled it with my crazy-blogtrolling-consultant cash, and just backstroked the fuck out of that. Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 12:45 AM (n/+FT) No, you brighten our days for free. I have a serious question for you. Do you believe ObamaCare is evil?

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 08:49 PM (AO9UG)

266 Ace went on a nice one on twitter

Posted by: phreshone at October 15, 2013 08:49 PM (Pr6hk)

267 Purp and Monty sittin' in a tree
d-o-o-m-i-n-g

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo, or texan hobo - same thing at October 15, 2013 08:50 PM (d7tB2)

268 ACE on twitter

the fact that private industry screwed poor president obama and ruined obamacare just proves we must destroy private industry

Obviously ObamaCare would have been better implemented if had been done by Government Workers, and not just Government Leaders and Managers

What really proves the superiority of government taking over the economy is the honesty and forthrightness with which they confess error.

Oh wait, that's right. They're blamestorming like the most corrupt and incompetent corporate PR flack.

it's too bad the GDP doesn't include a Government Excuses component because right now we'd have sizzling growth of 12%

Posted by: phreshone at October 15, 2013 08:50 PM (Pr6hk)

269 Basically no one gets SNAP in November if the gov is still closed? Burning times? Bring da ambalamps

Posted by: grognard at October 15, 2013 08:51 PM (cePbF)

270 Jeff B. takes his comedy lessons from that asshead ace mocks on twitter.

Posted by: buzzion at October 15, 2013 08:51 PM (LI48c)

271 What if we made life uncomfortable for people on all levels who help advance the leftist cause? Is that a good plan or a bad plan? I think it's a good plan. Posted by: Warden at October 16, 2013 12:32 AM (bmp0d) If anyone thinks this isn't EXACTLY how the left operates, guess again.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at October 15, 2013 08:51 PM (KPkDc)

272 >>>You think Pelosi minds when Reid talks to Dems in the house? No. They're on the same team.

No, and Boehner probably doesn't mind if Mitch McConnell talks to Dems in the house. But I bet Pelosi would've minded if Sen. Zell Miller had started lobbying Congressional Democrats to undercut their own Speaker back in 2003 or 2004.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 08:51 PM (n/+FT)

273 250 I suppose at this point I should reveal that I've been a McKinsey consultant for something going on ten years now. The money I've been paid to RINO it up here on AoSHQ has been sweet indeed. Went swimming in it the other day. No really -- dug a big hole the size of one of those backyard kidney-shaped pools, filled it with my crazy-blogtrolling-consultant cash, and just backstroked the fuck out of that. Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 12:45 AM (n/+FT) _____________ McKinsey eh? I wonder if our paths have crossed. I've done the rounds over the years at PWC (well Price Waterhouse really before the C came along and ruined everything

) and Deloitte before saying fuck it all a few years ago, taking the money and moving to flyover country.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 08:52 PM (fSKOI)

274 Yep, if I don't agree with this brilliant strategy I must therefore support Obamacare!

If I was being paid to do it, I would too even if I disagreed with it. I've worked plenty of contracts where I knew the customer was doing something stupid.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 08:52 PM (l5zzX)

275 Who the hell posts on AoS and thinks the ACA isn't an enormous pile of statist bullshit?

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 08:52 PM (i2t2+)

276

So large chunks of the federal civil service should up and quit because they work, in some form or fashion, for Obama? The military should refuse orders because Obama is Commander in Chief? Brilliant!

I hope it's a chat-bot because otherwise, Warden, you're an ass. Advancing the leftist cause? She's making 10 bucks an hour in a God-damn call center. I will go out on a limb and suggest that signing a DNC pledge card wasn't required to get the job.

Posted by: xyz at October 15, 2013 08:53 PM (hwb1d)

277 You think Pelosi minds when Reid talks to Dems in the house? No. They're on the same team. Senate/House are two arms of the same monster for the Dems. This whole "oh noes, Senators are butting into House business, whatever shall we do" bullshit from Boner & Co. is part of the problem. *** I have argued all day against the lack of public-facing unity in the party. The problem is that there are so many "moderates" in the party that those such as Cruz are viewed as interlopers. Worse, the GOP elders have no issues whatsoever in airing that laundry in public. Boehner could have disregarded Cruz's methods and caved, but he didn't. He fought. He held the House together even with the Pete King crew trying to screw him, and us, over at every turn. In this circumstance, I'm happy to throw McConnell, Graham, McCain, Corker, Coats, and any number of other members of Congress on the coals, but I think Boehner did okay. You don't win every battle, but at least he showed up.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 15, 2013 08:53 PM (DmNpO)

278 "At the end of TolkienÂ’s trilogy, after SauronÂ’s defeat, as moviegoers will probably see in 2003, the hobbits return to the ShireÂ—clearly analogous to EnglandÂ—to find that it has adopted a sort of wartime socialism in their absence, its inhabitants seeking security through command and control in a feeble imitation of Sauron. Bureaucracy reigns instead of family, friendship, small-scale commerce, and easy-going traditionalism. This epilogue was TolkienÂ’s most blatant swipe at the modern world, a world against which Lord of the Rings posits a more old-fashioned, more communitarian idealÂ—a world where good people still recognize their own limits and understand the need for decency and gentleness, not just political or technical power." http://metaphilm.com/index.php/detail/the-lord-of-the-rings-geo/

Posted by: logprof at October 15, 2013 08:53 PM (4BA+Y)

279 No, and Boehner probably doesn't mind if Mitch McConnell talks to Dems in the house. But I bet Pelosi would've minded if Sen. Zell Miller had started lobbying Congressional Democrats to undercut their own Speaker back in 2003 or 2004. Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 12:51 AM (n/+FT) _____________ The Zell Miller of today is McCain. And nobody in the establishment minds if McCain gets involved. They only have a freakout if Cruz gers involved. I can guarantee you Pelosi would absolutely love it if Bernie Sanders would get involved.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 08:53 PM (fSKOI)

280 Brian CObbs,

Maybe you missed the part where I said I was fucking off. I've said it in the post and in the comments.

But you, strangely, want to argue that this was some serious attempt by me to stop Obamacare?

It was a troll job. The one useful thing that did come out of it was the line about how it was the insurance company's fault that certain plans have been dropped.

Why are you so emotional about it, I wonder?

Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 08:54 PM (bmp0d)

281 Oh God, not PWC! They're muddling about at my company constantly. Maybe it's just the C section (heh), but they've done their part to make me believe the infamous line: "If you're not a part of the solution, there's good money to be made in prolonging the problem."

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 08:54 PM (i2t2+)

282 Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 16, 2013 12:48 AM (D8Yi3) Cyberdyne Ken Doll Troll Model 888.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 08:54 PM (AO9UG)

283 Let's not suck Boner's dick too hard here. He "held strong" because he knows he doesn't have the votes. He wants to cave, he'd love nothing more than to cave. But those dastardly Tea Partiers keep getting the way.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 08:54 PM (fSKOI)

284 Trolling is strictly prohibited under the Sharia, which the great Islamic king Barack Obama shall institute any day now. All trolls will be slain in the name of the Caliphate.

Posted by: Boko Haram at October 15, 2013 08:55 PM (jUeGo)

285 Hey Purp: why don't you google what McKinsey/Bain/BCG/Deloitte/Booz do, and then figure out if i'm being paid by my goddamn company to post comments here.

Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 15, 2013 08:55 PM (D8Yi3)

286 " I will go out on a limb and suggest that signing a DNC pledge card wasn't required to get the job." Get me Jarrett. I want heads to roll.

Posted by: Barry at October 15, 2013 08:56 PM (Y6JQy)

287 Why are you so emotional about it, I wonder?

Posted by: Warden at October 16, 2013 12:54 AM (bmp0d)

Meh... don't sweat it. Was a good post, and brought up a great topic about people just "doing their job" as they're fucking everyone else as part of the machine.

Don't waste time with this guy. +1 and press on.

Ammo and chow in the tent behind me.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 08:56 PM (x3YFz)

288 The more we harass low-level helpdesk employees, the more the mighty will feel our wrath and tremble in fear. How about harassing the jackasses in Congress? Are we all doing our due diligence and burning down those phone lines? Stuffing their mailboxes with absolutely irate letters? Filling up their email inboxes? We need to continue to express our displeasure with all our Congress Critters so they start getting nervous, those stupid Democrats need to have their feet held to the fire and own this pending disaster. The Republicans need to be constantly reminded that they are the Party of Opposition, and the checks and balances of our government depend on them doing their jobs as such!

Posted by: runningrn at October 15, 2013 08:56 PM (PLOz8)

289 So *pause*

Jeff

*pause*

How does that make you feel?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 15, 2013 08:57 PM (lAZep)

290 The whole thing is collapsing on its own. You being a jackass to someone who may or may not have voted for Obama or have any political views at all has nothing to do with that. In your mind, when it does collapse in ~6 months, do you think we'll look back to tonight, when you chewed out a $10 call center agent, and say: "that wasn't the end, and that wasn't even the beginning of the end. But thanks to Warden, we saw the end of the beginning". Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 16, 2013 12:48 AM (D8Yi3) ______ First off it's not $10. It's up to $35 an hour. Second if more than 2% of Obamacare workers voted for Romney, I'll eat Obama's hat. You're either a troll or the most gullible dolt in the world.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 08:57 PM (fSKOI)

291 Posted by: logprof at October 16, 2013 12:53 AM (4BA+Y) All that is true, but the biggest message to me was that the hobbits who just fought worse demons to preserve their way of life remembered the lessons they learned, kicked some ass, and restored it. What if they just hung up their cloaks and decided to go along?

Posted by: grognard at October 15, 2013 08:57 PM (cePbF)

292 282 I am fairly sure the Model 888 is programmed for other trolling purposes.

Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 08:57 PM (Y6JQy)

293 >>>I have a serious question for you.

Do you believe ObamaCare is evil?

I think "evil" is a word that ought to be saved for truly serious situations. Satan is evil. Hitler was evil. Stalin? Evil. Obamacare? Horrible, terrible, disastrous, misery-inducing, destructive...and yet I question whether using the actual term "evil" is correct. I really think all the other adjectives I just used (and which I believe wholeheartedly) are sufficient.

Generally I can think of tons of legislation that is stupid, selfish, dumb, destructive, counterproductive, blinkered, ignorant, etc. etc. Stuff that I HATE HATE HATE (and I HATE HATE HATE Obamacare and would repeal it tomorrow sight unseen if I could, no questions asked). But I find it very hard to think of any legislation that could be justly characterized as outright EVIL. Maybe the Fugitive Slave Act. Or Wilson's re-segregation of the federal workforce (a truly barbarous, yet curiously unremarked upon, low-light in 20th Century history).

Legislation can have terrible, destructive, hateful effects that I am vehemently opposed to, and yet it's still not evil. Rape is evil. Murder is evil. The Holocaust, the Gulags, the Dallas Cowboys -- that's true evil. Just because Obamacare is a disaster that threatens to bring misery to the entire country and massively swell the size of government, that doesn't mean it earns entrance into that truly exclusive tier. It just means that it's a disaster that threatens to bring misery to the entire country and massively swell the size of government, which is ample enough reason to loathe it. It doesn't have to be "evil" for someone to oppose it with all their might.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 08:58 PM (n/+FT)

294 281 Oh God, not PWC! They're muddling about at my company constantly. Maybe it's just the C section (heh), but they've done their part to make me believe the infamous line: "If you're not a part of the solution, there's good money to be made in prolonging the problem." Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 16, 2013 12:54 AM (i2t2+) _____________ Consulting 101: The more you fuck up, the more money you make fixing the problems.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 08:58 PM (fSKOI)

295 Hey Warden - fair point. I think if you hadn't called her a "fuckface" I would have no problem and I think there's a lot of humor potential here. My problem is: 1. Half the commenters think I work for the Obama Administration, and 2. The consensus seems to be that being being a call center agent for obamacare = being a nazi train conductor. Some people here need to take a deep breath.

Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 15, 2013 08:59 PM (D8Yi3)

296 Consulting 101: The more you fuck up, the more money you make fixing the problems.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 16, 2013 12:58 AM (fSKOI)

You *so* must have worked for Lockheed Martin.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 08:59 PM (x3YFz)

297
Some people here need to take a deep breath.

Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 16, 2013 12:59 AM (D8Yi3)

Get a rope.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 09:00 PM (x3YFz)

298 Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 12:58 AM (n/+FT) --To paraphrase Penn and Teller, a necessary or lessor of two evils is still evil.

Posted by: logprof at October 15, 2013 09:00 PM (4BA+Y)

299 Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 12:58 AM (n/+FT) This is why you fail.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 09:00 PM (AO9UG)

300 @ Mr. Moo Moo - you're confusing the navigators (paid up to $35 an hour and likely political - the example I previously said would make a lot more sense to use this approach) and CSR agents working through a contractor. I don't know Magnolia's exact rate but industry standard is $10 an hour

Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 15, 2013 09:01 PM (D8Yi3)

301 2. The consensus seems to be that being being a call center agent for obamacare = being a nazi train conductor. Some people here need to take a deep breath. Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 16, 2013 12:59 AM (D8Yi3) Indeed. Who the hell knew the evil runs that deep? But we must face the fight we have, not the one we want....

Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 09:01 PM (Y6JQy)

302 You *so* must have worked for Lockheed Martin. Posted by: tangonine at October 16, 2013 12:59 AM (x3YFz) _______ No but I did do a couple of stints at defense contractors and know what you mean. People love to bitch (rightfully) about govt waste. But holy shit, the money wasted by the military is something to behold.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 09:02 PM (fSKOI)

303 2. The consensus seems to be that being being a call center agent for obamacare = being a nazi train conductor. Some people here need to take a deep breath. Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 16, 2013 12:59 AM (D8Yi3) Failed reading comprehension, did you? Is it painful being this stupid? Really, I want to know - Is it like a general brain ache, or does it manifest itself by you doing things like drinking hot coffee through a straw?

Posted by: grognard at October 15, 2013 09:02 PM (cePbF)

304 Consulting 101: The more you fuck up, the more money you make fixing the problems. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 16, 2013 12:58 AM (fSKOI) --EPIC despair.com Demotivator: "If you're not a part of the solution, there's good money to be made in prolonging the problem."

Posted by: logprof at October 15, 2013 09:02 PM (4BA+Y)

305 If you were seriously trying to stop Obamacare, Warden, I say more power to you. People on the chat line really should be prepared for these kinds of questions. Not everyone is going to be pleased at punch at what is happening to them. And it was funny too. Thanks. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 15, 2013 09:02 PM (a4Omg)

306 301 I really regret I can't do verbal inflection on the net.

Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 09:03 PM (Y6JQy)

307 Learned helplessness is a condition where you cease to avoid pain and you simply accept your circumstance. 3.83$ a gallon gas is accepted. Not thought of as a nuisance.

Posted by: andrew at October 15, 2013 09:03 PM (KPYB8)

308 300 @ Mr. Moo Moo - you're confusing the navigators (paid up to $35 an hour and likely political - the example I previously said would make a lot more sense to use this approach) and CSR agents working through a contractor. I don't know Magnolia's exact rate but industry standard is $10 an hour Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 16, 2013 01:01 AM (D8Yi3) _______ Who do you think is manning the chat lines? It's navigators. Typically in a call center people do chat, phone, email, whatever. These are the $35/hr navigators. And yes they are evil fucking scumbags who voted for Obama and support Obamacare.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 09:03 PM (fSKOI)

309

the Italian navy

That must be a spectacle.

I'm thinking their beach landing craft must've been Gondolas with a single wheel up front and a pair of handles out back.

Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2013 09:03 PM (trlYD)

310 You *so* must have worked for Lockheed Martin. Posted by: tangonine at October 16, 2013 12:59 AM (x3YFz) I did. The fraud is *Staggering*.

Posted by: grognard at October 15, 2013 09:03 PM (cePbF)

311 Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 12:58 AM (n/+FT)

It's not today or even tomorrow we have to be concerned about, it's 20 years from now when your party affiliation, the place you live in and maybe even how many minority friends are willing to sign your Friend of Diversity card is the difference between you getting the medical care you need or just the palliative care to shut you up.

There weren't many Germans who didn't disagree with Hitler about the Jews but most figured he couldn't/wouldn't be able to do anything about it.

Then someone had a bright idea.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 15, 2013 09:03 PM (lAZep)

312 If you were seriously trying to stop Obamacare, Warden, I say more power to you. People on the chat line reall

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 15, 2013 09:03 PM (a4Omg)

313 and then figure out if i'm being paid by my goddamn company to post comments here.

I'm pretty sure they all have company policies against blog trolling and political activity using company resources.

Since I don't believe you'd be so stupid to do such a thing when the Mckinsey gateway router is logging all outbound connections and your workstation could easily be ID by an examination of that log (were a complaint to be lodged), I deduce you're doing this under official cover...

...or you're a complete idiot who puts their job at risk just so they can count coup trolling some stupid blog over some pretty stupid shit who has no idea how corporate IT infrastructure is architected.

I know one way to tell for sure. I can just file a complaint, and if nothing happens, then you were operating with cover. If you get a bunch of questions you don't have an answer for and get fired, then you were telling the truth.

Shall I put your veracity to the test?

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 09:03 PM (l5zzX)

314 I don't know Magnolia's exact rate but industry standard is $10 an hour Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 16, 2013 01:01 AM (D8Yi3) _______ **PRIVATE** Industry standard. These are govt workers remember? Magnolia is making at least $20. Plus better benefits than your wildest wet dream, more vacation than you've ever had and will retire at 52 with a full pension.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 09:05 PM (fSKOI)

315 The rate of pay and why Magnolia is doing her job is not important. The fact she is doing it is important. She cashes her checks in support of an evil plan. What she knows or thinks about it is not important.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 09:05 PM (AO9UG)

316 306 I think I got the gist of what you were saying.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 09:05 PM (i2t2+)

317 Yeah, where would I get the impression that being an Obamacare CSR agent is compared to being a Nazi train driver? I'm so dumb! I skip the straw and just pour the coffee over my face. "Magnolia's job in relation to Obamacare is comparable, in terms of proportion, to the train mechanic's contribution to the Holocaust." -grognard

Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 15, 2013 09:05 PM (D8Yi3)

318 311 I want to agree with this--maybe not the exact scenario, but the general gist. As I have found out.

Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 09:05 PM (Y6JQy)

319 Meant "People on the chat line should be prepared for these kinds of questions"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 15, 2013 09:06 PM (a4Omg)

320 NB: I didn't make the same mistakes with you that I made with the CACI 5th columnist last week. All forensic comment evidence has been left intact.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 09:06 PM (l5zzX)

321 I disagree with Jeff B on a lot of things. But it's dumb to say he is a paid troll. People can have different opinions without being on Obama's payroll. I got a lot of flak here for being fine with SSM. Was I paid by GLAAD? Come on let's be reasonable with people who have a reasonable difference of opinion.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 09:07 PM (fSKOI)

322 >>>This is why you fail.

Well we're just going to have to agree to disagree here, then. I approach this from a different worldview than you do, obviously, and neither one of us is going to convince the other one that they're wrong. And that's okay. I don't need to play rock'em sock'em robots about this, really. I do think, however, that the concept of "evil" is a very, very serious thing and I feel that it cheapens it to apply the term too easily. The New Deal was disastrous. The Great Society was disastrous. Obamacare is disastrous. All three of them have legitimately hurt this country in long-lasting, seemingly permanent ways. But not even that is enough to get them across the "EVIL" threshold for me. A law discriminating against Jews on the basis of their race or religion (a la the Nuremberg laws) -- now THAT is an evil law.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 09:07 PM (n/+FT)

323 313 Do companies really have that? I've posted on here once or twice from my company computer over lunch break and frankly, I'd be surprised if most companies gave a flying fuck about what internet sites I go to or post on as long as I do my job and don't stir up significant* trouble. *Significant not meaning one guy calls in and lodges a complaint with HR.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 09:08 PM (i2t2+)

324 Posted by: Brian CObbs at October 16, 2013 01:05 AM (D8Yi3) What do the words "In terms of proportion" mean to you? Did you do the analogy section of the SAT, or were you one of the special snowflakes that got the dumbed-down version later on? Do you understand that the analogy: Apple:Fruit::Bicycle:Vehicle Does not in any way compare Fruits to Vehicles? You. Fucking. Idiot. You better get a towel for that.

Posted by: grognard at October 15, 2013 09:08 PM (cePbF)

325 Since I don't believe you'd be so stupid to do such a thing when the Mckinsey gateway router is logging all outbound connections and your workstation could easily be ID by an examination of that log (were a complaint to be lodged), I deduce you're doing this under official cover... Posted by: Purp at October 16, 2013 01:03 AM (l5zzX) ___________ I'm pretty sure Jeff doesn't have a workstation. He probably has a laptop and as a consultant is probably either at home or at a client most of the time.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 09:08 PM (fSKOI)

326 But holy shit, the money wasted by the military is something to behold.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 16, 2013 01:02 AM (fSKOI)

Brother... it's beyond words.

DirecTV runs 30?ish satellites with 2 guys in a room who they pay $30/hr and slide pizzas under the door to every now and then to monitor the constellation.

Air Force? (not naming systems) as an example: 8 birds, 14 crew members x 3 (3 shifts) to do the same job... PLUS the 5-9 contractors on site because if something happens the crews don't know shit about the vehicles.

Sad part is the uniformed guys just "click play"

Anything OOL? call LM or Boeing! Pure waste. nonsense.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 09:08 PM (x3YFz)

327 Brian CoBBs,

You know why I called that most-likely-a-real-person a fuckface?

Because she lied to me. I don't care if it was on a script (it was), she fucking lied to me.

I'm goddamned sick and tired of being openly lied to as if I am a gullible child.

The lying? That's on her. So what if it's a $9 job. And I don't care if she was just following orders. You make your choices in life. If your job involves telling outright lies, then you might get called a fuckface, once in awhile I suppose.

I'm pretty sure she'll live.

Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 09:09 PM (bmp0d)

328 ObamaCare may in fact be evil, because it limits one person due to the inabilities of another, inabilities that may be self-induced.

Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 09:10 PM (Y6JQy)

329 327 Concur. It is the bald-faced attempt to patronize, to act as if one was a simpleton, that usually burns the bridge.

Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 09:11 PM (Y6JQy)

330 I'm pretty sure Jeff doesn't have a workstation. He probably has a laptop and as a consultant is probably either at home or at a client most of the time.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 16, 2013 01:08 AM (fSKOI

you know, you should probably just stop talking because you don't have a clue who Purp is talking to or about and it is very obvious. Here's a hint, he's not talking to Jeff B.

Posted by: buzzion at October 15, 2013 09:11 PM (LI48c)

331 Hey Mr. Moo Moo --

I think you may be a bit confused. Purp is angry (wrongly, IMO, but then I'm not the mod) with Brian Cobbs, not me. I was just kidding about being a secretly paid McKinsey consultant tasked with trolling the blog. In reality I'm an attorney. (Yeah, that's right, it's even worse.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 09:11 PM (n/+FT)

332 328 I don't even think Jeff B would have a problem saying Obamacare would be a cause of evil. This is getting into coffee-shop-commie levels of TruestTrueDialecticCon.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 09:11 PM (i2t2+)

333 323 313 Do companies really have that?

Of course. Any large company does that kind of outbound connection logging. That's a critical part of the "paper trail" when they're developing a supportable case for firings.

That's how they tell if you've been surfing porn/eBay/etc even if you wipe your workstation's browser history clean.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 09:12 PM (l5zzX)

334 Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 01:07 AM (n/+FT) If you can not see that ObamaCare is evil and can not call it evil, your opinion on it and other matters is not worth a damn.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 09:12 PM (AO9UG)

335 Obviously Magnolia the scrunt isn't comitting the same evil as the Nazi train conductor. But the comparison is apt. The train conductor had a job. Those jobs were volunteer jobs. As were SS guard jobs at the camps. Nobody was forced to be part of the Holocaust. Magnolia is also not forced to work for Obamacare. She is willingly doing it and most likely is very enthusiastic about it. She is helping Obama destroy the country. Whether she's making $10 or $100 an hour is quite irrelevant as well.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 09:12 PM (fSKOI)

336 money wasted by the military procurement system is something to behold.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 16, 2013 01:02 AM (fSKOI)

The devil is in the details.For every space worthy toilet seat costing $900 is pages and pages specification on what that seat will be composed of, the assembly process and how it will be packaged.

Want to streamline the process and save billions? Write a simple requirement sheet and hand it out and let the contractors decide how and what to use to build it.

Instead of some ring knocker in the Puzzle palace who needs to justify his existence writing requirements for stuff that is either impossible to find, is expensive to make or only is made twice a year and require manufacturing processes that are obsolete or less cost effective.

Top that off with a packaging requirement that adds 5% to the cost for 0 gain in product use or storage life.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 15, 2013 09:12 PM (lAZep)

337 I'd say a Bronze Plan for $400 a month with a 60/40 payout after a 8K deductible is pretty evil if you're stuck with that and you get injured. It's a pretty evil thing to inflict on someone who had a 90/10 plan after 2500, for 200 a month.

Posted by: grognard at October 15, 2013 09:13 PM (cePbF)

338 Ooops I mixed up jeff and the other guy. It's late. I've had a couple of beers. Sue me.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 09:13 PM (fSKOI)

339 You see, it's not that Obama doubled your premiums for insurance coverage you don't want, don't need, would never pay for voluntarily, or possibly can't ever use (like pap smears for men).

It's just that providing you with "increased consumer information" happens to cost you an additional $700 per month.

Thanks for contacting us!

Posted by: Phinn at October 15, 2013 09:13 PM (oFH2D)

340

302 But holy shit, the money wasted by the military is something to behold.

hey fuck you, I worked hard for my navy retirement

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 15, 2013 09:13 PM (nooa6)

341 Of course. Any large company does that kind of outbound connection logging. That's a critical part of the "paper trail" when they're developing a supportable case for firings. That's how they tell if you've been surfing porn/eBay/etc even if you wipe your workstation's browser history clean. *** My employer definitely tracks internet use. Folks have lost their jobs over the sites they've visited and the amount of time pent browsing.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 15, 2013 09:13 PM (DmNpO)

342 333 Thus "as long as I'm doing my job".

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 09:14 PM (i2t2+)

343

331 In reality I'm an attorney. (Yeah, that's right, it's even worse.)

paging AmishDude, pls pick up the white courtesy phone.....

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 15, 2013 09:14 PM (nooa6)

344 hey fuck you, I worked hard for my navy retirement

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 16, 2013 01:13 AM (nooa6)

Chasing hookers in Subic Bay??

/runs away

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 09:15 PM (x3YFz)

345 332 Actually, that was me asking myself the question--"is it really evil?"--and posting the answer yea or nay. I had an intuitive sense it was, but had to think for a few seconds on why that would be so. The New Deal was not evil, accept for possibly the parts where they said you can't grow food even if you don't sell it.

Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 09:15 PM (Y6JQy)

346 hey fuck you, I worked hard for my navy retirement

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 16, 2013 01:13 AM (nooa6)

Pulled double shifts in the barrel every week didn't you.

Posted by: buzzion at October 15, 2013 09:15 PM (LI48c)

347 Except, not accept. Idiot.

Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 09:16 PM (Y6JQy)

348 Nailed it, again.

Posted by: Godwin at October 15, 2013 09:16 PM (sOtz/)

349 >>>I don't even think Jeff B would have a problem saying Obamacare would be a cause of evil. This is getting into coffee-shop-commie levels of TruestTrueDialecticCon.

Yeah, and the problem is that I am genuinely splitting hairs here, maybe foolishly so (but these things are important to me intellectually -- it's how I'm wired). It seems indubitable that Obamacare is/will be the cause of great ills in society, perhaps even evils. (And here the philosopher in me wants to stipulate: define "evil," and not just vaguely.) But laws that result in evils are not therefore evil themselves.

Listen: I fucking hate Obamacare with every fiber of my being and would give unnecessary organs -- take my spleen, for instance, who knows what the hell that thing does? -- to see it repealed. That's gotta be enough, ffs.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 09:16 PM (n/+FT)

350 344 hey fuck you, I worked hard for my navy retirement

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 16, 2013 01:13 AM (nooa6)

He's right though... those pelicans aren't going to fuck themselves.

(call back to an earlier thread... but damn funny)

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 09:16 PM (x3YFz)

351 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 16, 2013 01:12 AM (lAZep) __________ Exactly. That's what I was referring to, thanks for spelling it out. It is the procurement process that is costly. Not to get into any details since the NSA is listening of course, but I was involved in a project that was supposed to manage the sale process for this one company that sold some pretty cool shit to the Navy. It took me 3 months to get my head around just what they do at a high level and another 3 months to fully understand. And then it took about 9 months to build out the process. Same type of thing for a bank or telco which are notoriously complex and bureaucratic would be done in 6 months total.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 09:18 PM (fSKOI)

352 Fix: "But laws that result in evils are not therefore *NECESSARILY evil themselves."

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 09:18 PM (n/+FT)

353 I've worked hard for my retirement too. An early death, most likely.

Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 09:18 PM (Y6JQy)

354 I created a meme called Obamacare Anna using the ubiquitous women from the healthcare.gov site. Go to their FB page, also healthcare.gov and read the sarcastic remarks to their triumphant announcements. Mockery is the best weapon, just ask Alinsky.

Posted by: Bill C of Brain Droppings at October 15, 2013 09:18 PM (tr4Hu)

355 Pulled double shifts in the barrel every week didn't you.

Posted by: buzzion at October 16, 2013 01:15 AM (LI48c)

Hey hey. joe has street cred. I give him shit because he's solid.

ponder that.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 09:19 PM (x3YFz)

356 Listen to you lucky bastards, talking about retirement. Retirement? Ha! I'll work 'til I'm dead. That's what my generation is getting stuck with.

Fuckin' Boomers, man.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 09:19 PM (n/+FT)

357

Has anyone read the NYT piece on the deal that collapsed yesterday. It's fucking hilarious.

We have "champions" like "pragmatic" McCain who quite brilliantly says that "as I've said before, we started a fight we knew we couldn't win."

With courage like that we just need more soldiers in politics like this idiot. Wow.

And the NYT repeats the "failed strategy to defeat the ACA". Hey you fucking idiots, this is ongoing. Nothing has failed yet you fucks.

Goebbels would be proud of these pieces of shit at the NYT.

Posted by: prescient11 at October 15, 2013 09:19 PM (q7N67)

358 356 Listen to you lucky bastards, talking about retirement. Retirement? Ha! I'll work 'til I'm dead. That's what my generation is getting stuck with. Fuckin' Boomers, man. Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 01:19 AM (n/+FT) _____________ You're a rich evil McKinsey consultant. You''ll retire well. At 78, but still....

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 15, 2013 09:20 PM (fSKOI)

359 Fix: "But laws that result in evils are not therefore *NECESSARILY evil themselves." Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 01:18 AM (n/+FT) I can agree with that, IF the evil is an unintended consequence after reasonable due diligence. For laws that must be passed in order to know what's in it...well...going with evil.

Posted by: grognard at October 15, 2013 09:21 PM (cePbF)

360

350 pelican fucker

that made me spit up coffee yesterday

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 15, 2013 09:21 PM (nooa6)

361

356 Listen to you lucky bastards, talking about retirement

need a google map to your nearest recruiter?

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 15, 2013 09:22 PM (nooa6)

362 McKhain!!!!! He is a one-man opposition to the opposition party.

Posted by: Beagle at October 15, 2013 09:22 PM (sOtz/)

363 To hell with retirement, I'm pretty sure the next Democratic administration is going to find a way to somehow keep our generation working after we've died, actually. You know, like hook our corpses up to some necomantic Matrix and use the juice to somehow fund Illinois' state employee pension plan or something like that.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 09:23 PM (n/+FT)

364 "But laws that result in evils are not therefore *NECESSARILY evil themselves."

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 09:23 PM (l5zzX)

365 354 I created a meme called Obamacare Anna using the ubiquitous women from the healthcare.gov site. Go to their FB page, also healthcare.gov and read the sarcastic remarks to their triumphant announcements. Mockery is the best weapon, just ask Alinsky. Posted by: Bill C of Brain Droppings at October 16, 2013 01:18 AM (tr4Hu) --Give us a direct linky.

Posted by: logprof at October 15, 2013 09:23 PM (4BA+Y)

366 349 >>>I don't even think Jeff B would have a problem saying Obamacare would be a cause of evil. This is getting into coffee-shop-commie levels of TruestTrueDialecticCon. Yeah, and the problem is that I am genuinely splitting hairs here, maybe foolishly so (but these things are important to me intellectually -- it's how I'm wired). It seems indubitable that Obamacare is/will be the cause of great ills in society, perhaps even evils. (And here the philosopher in me wants to stipulate: define "evil," and not just vaguely.) But laws that result in evils are not therefore evil themselves. Listen: I fucking hate Obamacare with every fiber of my being and would give unnecessary organs -- take my spleen, for instance, who knows what the hell that thing does? -- to see it repealed. That's gotta be enough, ffs. Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 01:16 AM (n/+FT) It isn't enough. You have revealed a defect in your character. Your vanity just won't quit.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2013 09:23 PM (AO9UG)

367 356 Fuckin' Boomers, man. Tell me about it. I'm 25. I will die with an iSlideRule 17 in my cold, non-circulating hands.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 09:23 PM (i2t2+)

368

363 next Democratic administration is going to find a way to somehow keep our generation working after we've died

hell, we figured out how to keep you voting at least

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 15, 2013 09:25 PM (nooa6)

369 More cowbell, less jeff.

Posted by: nip at October 15, 2013 09:25 PM (jI23+)

370 Listen to you lucky bastards, talking about retirement. Retirement? Ha! I'll work 'til I'm dead. That's what my generation is getting stuck with.

Fuckin' Boomers, man.

Hear that.

I'm 42. I'll work until DeathCare takes away my medical care I need to stay functional and alive. Won't be long after that.

Yeah, a generational war is definitely coming.

Posted by: esch at October 15, 2013 09:26 PM (eEEbp)

371 Ha! I'll work 'til I'm dead.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 01:19 AM (n/+FT)

When you get to be my age, you'll wish that was true.

I'd love to be working now.

I'm bored. I don't have enough extra cash to do whatever I want when I want like I used to.
My days are pretty long.

I'd even flip burgers but I can't stand too long at one time.
No one else wants a possible insurance liability that might be gone in a year. (grim reaper or some debilitating disease)

So don't knock working long hours till you're dead. Most of the longest lived people worked can to can't for all their lives.

Leisure ain't what's it's cracked up to be.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 15, 2013 09:26 PM (lAZep)

372 It took me 3 months to get my head around just what they do at a high level and another 3 months to fully understand. And then it took about 9 months to build out the process.

And 30 years ago the same thing would have been done with a filing cabinet, some index cards, and a project status white board.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 09:26 PM (l5zzX)

373 >>>need a google map to your nearest recruiter?

Tried to join twice. Got rejected on medical grounds.

Went to work in the national security sector instead for several years. (Without getting specific, the intel community.)

I wanted to give something back to my country, and when one route was cut off, I took another available one. I'm no hero (oh, the stories I could tell...) but I'm proud of the little bit I did. Doesn't mean I can hold a candle to military people, but I didn't just toddle out of a nice college into a gold-plated law school and a BigLaw career either, as I suspect most people around here think I must have.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 09:26 PM (n/+FT)

374 [10:49:07 pm]: Paul
Bullshit. They HAD to cancel it under Obamacare rules. Are you proud to be part of this SHIT?

[10:49:44 pm]: Magnolia
That's retarded, sir ..

Posted by: Magnolia Jeantel at October 15, 2013 09:26 PM (aTXUx)

375 Posted by: Purp at October 16, 2013 01:23 AM (l5zzX)

That ain't pavement.

It's GREASE!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 15, 2013 09:27 PM (lAZep)

376 356 Listen to you lucky bastards, talking about retirement. Retirement? Ha! I'll work 'til I'm dead. That's what my generation is getting stuck with.

Fuckin' Boomers, man.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 01:19 AM (n/+FT)

Well, some of us wrote a blank check to the american people that said we'd pay any price up to and including our life.

Some of us left the service prior to 20 years (I did 13, honorable discharge, no nonsense, was my call).

Unless you're willing to write that same check? You're not thinking before you type. And it's not about "oh look at us! we're special!" It's about "fuck me! Staff sergeant! Two assholes 300 meters 10 O'clock... FUCK! Hugo is down! MEDIC! Easy man, I've got you... breathe... steady.... where's your kit? I've got it. Alan! hold this compress! MEDIC!"

every. Fucking. Day.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 09:28 PM (x3YFz)

377 >>>It isn't enough.

You have revealed a defect in your character.

Seriously, dude? Seriously? It must be nice to be able to stand in judgment of everyone. I'm not going to reciprocate, I'm not going to retaliate, life's too short and this thread is more fun without flamewarring. But this is uncalled for and you know it.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 09:29 PM (n/+FT)

378 376 "Unless you're willing to write that same check? You're not thinking before you type." Don't think anyone's dismissing servicemembers with the damn-you-retirees talk. Might look that way, but definitely not intended that way.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 09:31 PM (i2t2+)

379 >>>Well, some of us wrote a blank check to the american people that said we'd pay any price up to and including our life.

You guys earned your retirement. I wasn't even complaining about you. I was a.) joking about how the idea of "retirement" is going to seem anachronistic to a lot of people my age as the coming demographic tidal wave screws us over; b.) bitching about Baby Boomers in general, because hey: it's fun.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 09:32 PM (n/+FT)

380 Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 16, 2013 01:31 AM (i2t2+)

Yeah, I'd say JeffB is talking tongue in cheek on that.

At least that's the way I took it.

Oh. and Jeff?

My lawn?

Get off it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 15, 2013 09:33 PM (lAZep)

381 Yeah, people who are bringing up the Holocaust and/or Nazi Germany when talking about Obamacare should probably tone it down just a tad, I think.

Posted by: thatoneguy at October 15, 2013 09:33 PM (4DxnF)

382

I'm going to hunt and fish until the day I die.

I work when I have to. But I'd rather be fishing.

Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2013 09:33 PM (GkeC2)

383 377 "I'm not going to reciprocate, I'm not going to retaliate" SQUISH

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 09:33 PM (i2t2+)

384 >>>My lawn?

Get off it.

Sir, I was hoping you might teach me how to fix up your Gran Torino instead.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 09:33 PM (n/+FT)

385 You guys earned your retirement. I wasn't even complaining about you. I was a.) joking about how the idea of "retirement" is going to seem anachronistic to a lot of people my age as the coming demographic tidal wave screws us over; b.) bitching about Baby Boomers in general, because hey: it's fun.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 01:32 AM (n/+FT)

sorry then. I get squirrely sometimes.

You and I have our differences, this aint one of them.

Overreaction on my part.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 09:34 PM (x3YFz)

386 Fuckin' Boomers, man.

Boomers were still in grade school when the gravy train started rolling, and just getting entry level jobs as it was hitting top speed.

They didn't do squat to hit the brakes, but it was the so called "greatest generation" who fucked up the worst in assuming the last man standing effect from winning WWII would go on forever as the new normal.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 09:35 PM (l5zzX)

387 >>>They didn't do squat to hit the brakes, but it was the so called "greatest generation" who fucked up the worst in assuming the last man standing effect from winning WWII would go on forever as the new normal.

Yeah, but shit man...you can't ask me to go after my grandma. She's not nearly as insufferable as my parents' generation is.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 09:36 PM (n/+FT)

388 Posted by: thatoneguy at October 16, 2013 01:33 AM (4DxnF)

Not really.

Not when you examine what's been happening in the UK and the NHS for the last 20-30 years.

See, they've been at it the longest. They're like a preview of where we could be going.

They're letting people die because some doctor decided they haven't go long to live so they stop treating them and just fill them full of pain killers.

Plus the rationing of care is a death sentence for some.

Who's to say what will soon be the criteria for getting the care you need if everyone's entitled?

Instead of letting the market work and cause the price to go down, we're going to regulate it and either the quality will go down or the price will go up or both.

Sounds like a lot of people are going to die.

But it will happen slowly enough that maybe they can hide the truth.

That's what they did to the Kulaks in the Ukraine. They wouldn't sell them seed then they stole what crops they had so they starved to death.

That takes quite awhile and isn't as painless as it may seem.

Millions died.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 15, 2013 09:38 PM (lAZep)

389 356 Listen to you lucky bastards, talking about retirement. Retirement? Ha! I'll work 'til I'm dead. That's what my generation is getting stuck with. Fuckin' Boomers, man. Posted by: Jeff B. Then you'll love this true story from my family. A much older cousin of mine retired a few years ago. He had started out as an engineer (soil sciences) and then slowly ascended to a high-paying position where he was sort of a manager/advisor/consultant, making VERY nice bucks. So he reached a certain level of financial comfort and retired happily at 58. His wife kept working as a schoolteacher, out of choice. They didn't even need her salary. Having retired, he decided to make his lifelong dream come true: A cabin in the woods. So he bought a BIG piece of property, in the woods. Fairly cheap, for its size. And then he ordered a pre-made "cabin house" that they ship to you disassembled - huge real logs/trees that fit together perfectly into an actual house-house. Still pretty cheap. And then -- everything went to shit. Why? Because his property was in a Northern California county controlled by environmentalist maniacs posing as bureaucrats and politicians. (The county shall remain unnamed, but it was one of these: Mendocino, Marin, Sonoma, Humboldt, Napa, Lake, Solano. That area.) He went through absolute HELL trying to get permission to assemble his log cabin. Beyond imagining. The issues swelled and became entangled with other issues, and before he knew it he was financially on the hook for sewage projects and landslide abatement and flood this and forest that and endangered species here and there and neighbors suing and the county suing and drainage and watershed and viewshed and on and on and on and on for YEARS. When it was all over he was FLAT BROKE having to pay for fines and fees and lawyers and abatements and land use blahblahblah from here to kingdom come. The eventual cost of simply "getting permission" to assemble his cabin was TWENTY TIMES the combined cost of the land and the cabin itself. By the time he moved in, he was on the verge of bankruptcy. So now -- he had to UNRETIRE and he has to make a crazy long-distance commute from his isolated log cabin back to the city to earn enough money just to stay afloat. If his wife hadn't kept her job, he would have lost the land and everything. That's life in Beautiful CaliforniaÂ©!

Posted by: zombie at October 15, 2013 09:38 PM (+cx5n)

390 They didn't do squat to hit the brakes, but it was the so called "greatest generation" who fucked up the worst in assuming the last man standing effect from winning WWII would go on forever as the new normal.

Posted by: Purp at October 16, 2013 01:35 AM (l5zzX)

SO many political variables you're not even considering, and I'm guessing are likely unaware of, here, that your comment falls flat on its face.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 09:40 PM (x3YFz)

391 They're letting people die because some doctor decided they haven't go long to live so they stop treating them and just fill them full of pain killers.

"Palliative care" centers are sprouting up all over FL like mushrooms after a spring rain.

I'm pretty sure they ain't being built as covers for meth labs and dope farms.

Someone is building them with the expectation of shunting A LOT of people into them.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 09:42 PM (l5zzX)

392

I left the TV on after Hulu this evening... I couldn't find the controller. And they are marketing heavily on Univision. I don't know for sure what they were saying my Spanish is basic, but there was an ad for getting mammograms and then a couple of Health Insurance ads through the Washington State Insurance exchanges... or something like that, I think... lots of wealthy looking Spanish speakers talking about health insurance. Very polished looking ads.

I haven't seen any ads in English. But I don't watch that much TV.

Posted by: petunia at October 15, 2013 09:43 PM (DAcBA)

393 381 Yeah, people who are bringing up the Holocaust and/or Nazi Germany when talking about Obamacare should probably tone it down just a tad, I think. As I read most every thread that goes this way, it usually starts when someone says "just following orders" and is immediately scolded for bringing up Nazi Germany. Even though they never said Nazi Germany. So the pinch-faced scolds can get bent. If people don't want it brought up, I'd suggest not bringing it up. Here's a hint: robotically "just following orders" can be a bad thing, even outside the context of Nazi Germany.

Posted by: grognard at October 15, 2013 09:43 PM (cePbF)

394 >>>Then you'll love this true story from my family.

That's the saddest fucking thing I've read all week. Ugh, it merely reinforces my reflexive loathing for California as well.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 09:44 PM (n/+FT)

395 Posted by: tangonine at October 16, 2013 01:40 AM (x3YFz)

Sorry, I have to agree with Purp.

I call them the "Greediest Generation".

They're the ones who allowed Social Security.
The with holding on taxes.
Who allowed Medicare and Medicaid.
Who made big bucks during the cold war with government contracts.

Who double dipped with pensions from the military and private and topped it off with social security.

Who had millions in property and stocks and bonds.

And passed the cost on down to us.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 15, 2013 09:44 PM (lAZep)

396 SO many political variables you're not even considering, and I'm guessing are likely unaware of, here, that your comment falls flat on its face.

Right, our post-war economic dominance had nothing to do with the rest of the world being a rubble heap...and its purely coincidental that we start struggling about the time they got themselves stood back up.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 09:45 PM (l5zzX)

397 393 The problem is that there wasn't any scolding--but it went to Nazi Germany in literally FIVE POSTS. And I'm guessing the user's handle isn't referencing Social Security. 128 She's just following orders Posted by: Thunderb at October 16, 2013 12:05 AM (zOTsN) 133 Exactly! Posted by: The SS at October 16, 2013 12:06 AM (x3YFz)

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 09:47 PM (i2t2+)

398 Regarding the Greatest Generation They frickin' earned it. All they had to go on was what was thrown on their doorstep via newspaper and the static ridden radio. If they actually knew the bullshit being pulled on the American people we wouldn't be where we are today(lot of assuming here, yes.) That's why I don't believe the LIV definition- low information voter? I can tell you what Marilyn Monroe had for breakfast on March 24th 1960 with a quick search. LIV is 'low intelligence voter.' Sorry, but we have some D.U.M.B shits running around the country. Corky is above MENSA material compared tomthem.

Posted by: RWC at October 15, 2013 09:47 PM (LpbKr)

399 394 That's the saddest fucking thing I've read all week. Posted by: Jeff B. You know what made it a million times worse for him? HE WAS A SOIL ENGINEER. Once of the best. Most of the "complaints" about his cabin location were from lefty politicians, bureaucrats and activists claiming that his cabin would somehow destabilize the entire landscape and contaminate everything. He kept trying to tell them the actual FACTS about the geology of his location but they just would not listen, and treated him like an infection. Infuriating simpletons were trying to lecture HIM about drainage and land use and water tables and so on, when he was a world-class expert in those exact fields. In the end, the progressives and green activists defeated him, because they had the political muscle, and he was a lone individual(ist).

Posted by: zombie at October 15, 2013 09:50 PM (+cx5n)

400 390 They didn't do squat to hit the brakes, but it was
the so called "greatest generation" who fucked up the worst in assuming
the last man standing effect from winning WWII would go on forever as
the new normal.

Posted by: Purp at October 16, 2013 01:35 AM (l5zzX)

And you have THE BALLS to blame what's happening now on the men and women who fought or worked to win WWII?

the people that gave everything? You know they couldn't even buy food without government permission during the war? That shit was rationed. You would rather be speaking russian or german right now? are you stoned? Half a million american boys (and some women) gave their lives.

Go read Ernie Pyle's books. Just http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOcMFeWUsuM Read a book.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 09:52 PM (x3YFz)

401 While you're ragging on us Boomers, remember that we weren't all dope smoking hippies.. well, most of us were, but only a handful were commies .

Remember that our generation elected Reagan twice

58K of us never made it out of Vietnam

We were raised by parents who grew up in the Depression. Leaving the bathroom light on got you a ration of shit enforced by a hard smacking. Not because it would hurt the planet, but because it ran up the electric bill.

We weren't special little snowflakes, we knew you weren't entitled to the world just for being born, and we had a lot better music

Posted by: kbdabear at October 15, 2013 09:53 PM (aTXUx)

402

I don't' know that Obamacare itself is like the gas chambers, but the death panels are. The death panels are exactly that. And they voted for them even after they knew about them.

The way the Democrats have become fascists in the last 5 years... I think they are capable of anything.

The way their first impulse is to dehumanize every dissenter and all gang up and basically make sure nobody would dare think a Republican is a human being with a right to an opinion. With a right to even live.

They are just like all people at war. They couldn't kill you unless they decided you were less than human. That is how it is done. That is why they immediately call names, it makes you less than human.

Posted by: petunia at October 15, 2013 09:53 PM (DAcBA)

403 Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 16, 2013 01:47 AM (i2t2+) Thunderb didn't sockpuppet "the SS." That was tangonine, and it was clearly snark. Neither of those comments warranted the rash of "comparing Obamacare to Nazi Germany" scolding that came after. But hey, when asked to defend the analogy, it turns out it can be defended. Not as a comparison of atrocity, for there isn't a comparison. As an exercise in determining culpability for wrongdoing, even at the lowest functional levels, definitely.

Posted by: grognard at October 15, 2013 09:59 PM (cePbF)

404 402 I disagree with a lot of background of what you're saying, while agreeing with your overall point. You have your political operatives and power-hungry types for sure, but I think most of the Lefty Scum is just too low-information to actually think it out that far. I mean, I'm sure you know what your average leftist's reaction is to getting called out on something: a whole lot of slackjawed "uhh".

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 10:00 PM (i2t2+)

405 403 "Thunderb didn't sockpuppet 'the SS.' That was tangonine, and it was clearly snark." Damn, you're right. Sockpuppets gonna get you every time.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 10:01 PM (i2t2+)

406 And you have THE BALLS to blame what's happening now on the men and women who fought or worked to win WWII?

Sure. They voted, in droves, for the assholes who created the mess we're in right now. That bad judgment has about as much to do with any wartime efforts as McLame's tour in the Hanoi Hilton does with his fucktardedness now.

I have Pyle's books, read them in hard cover when I was about 10 years old. Got an original 1st edition of Mauldin's Stars and Stripes Willie and Joe cartoons in hard cover too. Read that about the same time back in the 1960's, along with Maj DeSeversky's book that was full of warnings about what was coming.

Being brave doesn't mean you can't be stupid at the same time.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 10:03 PM (l5zzX)

407 >>>58K of us never made it out of Vietnam

Oh yeah? Well 58% of us never learned to read at a high-school level of proficiency, so there.

(Seriously though, my generation won the lottery on the "war sweepstakes," no question about that.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 10:04 PM (n/+FT)

408 We weren't special little snowflakes, we knew you weren't entitled to the world just for being born, and we had a lot better music

Posted by: kbdabear at October 16, 2013 01:53 AM (aTXUx)

Amen on the music. I pulled out foreigner 4 the other day and was like..."Oh! this is what music sounds like!"

Van Halen (Eddie!)
The Who
AC/DC
U2
Journey
Steve Earle
Molly Hatchet
Nazareth

et al... I could go on but the clowns today don't know shit about music with one exception: DJ Tiesto.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 10:05 PM (x3YFz)

409 407 "(Seriously though, my generation won the lottery on the "war sweepstakes," no question about that.)" Tell that to the millions of casualties in the War on Women.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 10:05 PM (i2t2+)

410

U2 sucks.

Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2013 10:06 PM (MLbJL)

411 (Seriously though, my generation won the lottery on the "war sweepstakes," no question about that.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 02:04 AM (n/+FT)

What generation was that? The one that existed between 1998 and 1999?

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 10:06 PM (x3YFz)

412 58K of us never made it out of Vietnam

And who fucked up that deal? Hint: it wasn't the boomers, they was on the shitty end of that stick.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 10:07 PM (l5zzX)

413 "I could go on but the clowns today don't know shit about music with one exception: DJ Tiesto." This is the funniest fucking thing I've read tonight, on so many levels. =D Been good shootin' shit, but time to go the fuck to sleep. At least I'll wake up in Texas.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 10:08 PM (i2t2+)

414 410
U2 sucks.

Posted by: garrett at October 16, 2013 02:06 AM (MLbJL)

Heh... music. What's that saying about not discussing religion or politics? Add music to that list.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 10:08 PM (x3YFz)

415

Tell that to the millions of casualties in the War on Women.

I can't even look at a binder without crying.

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman Schulz at October 15, 2013 10:09 PM (MLbJL)

416

Tell that to the millions of casualties in the War on Women.

I can't even look at a binder without crying.

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman Schulz at October 15, 2013 10:09 PM (MLbJL)

417 413 "I could go on but the clowns today don't know shit about music with one exception: DJ Tiesto."

This is the funniest fucking thing I've read tonight, on so many levels. =D

Been good shootin' shit, but time to go the fuck to sleep. At least I'll wake up in Texas.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 16, 2013 02:08 AM (i2t2+)

OK... but take this with you. Adagio for Strings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0PV_S4m6Ig

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 10:10 PM (x3YFz)

418 413 "I could go on but the clowns today don't know shit about music with one exception: DJ Tiesto."

This is the funniest fucking thing I've read tonight, on so many levels. =D

Been good shootin' shit, but time to go the fuck to sleep. At least I'll wake up in Texas.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 16, 2013 02:08 AM (i2t2+)

OK... but take this with you. Adagio for Strings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0PV_S4m6Ig

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 10:10 PM (x3YFz)

419 >>>What generation was that? The one that existed between 1998 and 1999?

I mean it more in the sense that my generation grew up without the idea of the Draft hovering in our background, and also without any major large-scale military engagements until 2001 and 2003. A far cry from those who came of age during WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. We were immensely lucky in that respect, really just a roll of the dice.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 10:13 PM (n/+FT)

420

SPIRIT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQXf6GowhNQ

Posted by: BAUHAUS at October 15, 2013 10:15 PM (MLbJL)

421 BTW, kbdabear is 100% percent right about the Boomers having better music. With a very few exceptions (Pixies, Pavement, Radiohead, Blur, etc.) give me the '60s-'80s over anything that came afterwards. I cut my teeth as a teenager discovering music on The Beatles, Stones, Dylan and The Who instead of the generic alterna-sludge being pushed on me by the radio. (And The Who is still one of my five favorite groups of all time...I have unbreakable emotional bonds with albums like The Who Sell Out, Live At Leeds, and especially Quadrophenia.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 10:16 PM (n/+FT)

422

So, Jeff, I saw GWAR on Sunday night.

They closed with a Billy Ocean / Who Medley.

Get out of my Dreams -> Baba O'Riley

Comedy.

Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2013 10:18 PM (MLbJL)

423 The Summertime Blues from Live at Leeds was the blueprint for Led Zeppelin

Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2013 10:19 PM (MLbJL)

424 >>>The Summertime Blues from Live at Leeds was the blueprint for Led Zeppelin

Well, except for the fact that Live At Leeds wasn't released until July 1970, by which time Led Zeppelin were already on their third album.

I like Led Zeppelin plenty, by the way, but I think they tend to be overrated. Particularly as a live band.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 10:22 PM (n/+FT)

425 421 The Summertime Blues from Live at Leeds was the blueprint for Led Zeppelin Posted by: garrett Live at Leeds came out in mid-1970. By that time, Led Zeppelin had already released three albums (LZ I, II, and III) and perfected their sound. So, no, "Live at Leeds" was most definitely NOT the blueprint for Led Zeppelin. Perhaps by then LZ was influencing the Who!

Posted by: zombie at October 15, 2013 10:24 PM (+cx5n)

426 "Hi My name is Danielle. I am 21 if u're interested. I think it is cool spending time with my friends. We often go to such places as clubs, bars and stuff like that. It's always cool when I hang out with my friends, so I love it. I used to take part in cheerleading team so a lot of guy think that I am pretty sexy) I wanna try smth new that's why I am writing it. Hope to hear from you soon" Seriously, who the hell falls for this shit? Honey, unless you're a Nigerian billionaire you aren't getting replied to!

Posted by: RWC at October 15, 2013 10:27 PM (LpbKr)

427 I mean it more in the sense that my generation grew up without the idea of the Draft hovering in our background, and also without any major large-scale military engagements until 2001 and 2003. A far cry from those who came of age during WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. We were immensely lucky in that respect, really just a roll of the dice.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 16, 2013 02:13 AM (n/+FT)

Guess you missed the first Gulf war. But that's ok.

Honestly, I don't mean to insult, I really do not. I lost 34 friends and associates when Yukla-27 went down on an intercept rotation chasing Russian Bear-H's.

I sped through the streets of Riyadh like a madman driving my detachment commander to the air base in 1994.

Was humbled to meet (then) TSgt Wilkinson when he came to my base to recruit PJs.

Wept, alone (thankfully) in the hall of heros the day after they put Randy and Gary's citations up.

Wept, again when Glen died. Wept, again, when Shannon died. Wept, again, when Chris died.

Yeah... I guess you're lucky. I wouldn't trade places with you for the world. Just fine right here.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 10:28 PM (x3YFz)

428 >>>So, no, "Live at Leeds" was most definitely NOT the blueprint for Led Zeppelin. Perhaps by then LZ was influencing the Who!

Nah. The Who were playing "Summertime Blues" in concert as early as mid-1967. (They recorded a studio version in September '67.) LZ were formed in fall of 1968. The early Who renditions were a bit prissy, but it had been beefed up into its recognizable Leeds style by May of '68.

It IS safe to say The Who did have some influence on LZ, as they were and remain the greatest "power trio + vocalist" in rock history: guitar/drums/bass + Daltrey/Plant. But LZ was much more focused on wanky soloing (whether lead guitar or drum), which is something The Who never did live or in the studio. Page was a lead guitarist at heart, whereas Pete Townshend is arguably the greatest, most innovative rhythm guitarist in rock history -- he played a "rhythm/lead" fusion that covered both bases but also relied on a major assist from John Entwistle (hands down the greatest rock bassist ever, and it's an easy call).

I'm kind of an obsessive scholar of the music of this era. Sorry.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 10:30 PM (n/+FT)

429 As for Social Security, at the time it was passed it was a tax of one percent. One. Percent.

Who could object to a one percent tax?

This one percent tax was also sold to the public that it would never go up.

Your Honor, I give you Exhibit A in my argument of why you can't trust politicians.

Posted by: navybrat at October 15, 2013 10:31 PM (RakrK)

430 Eh, don't be a dick.

She's making $10 an hour to do this job. This isn't Robert Gibbs here.

Why do so many people around here seem to think that some slug being paid with money that was stolen from us in the first place is worthy of sympathy when they 'just follow orders'?

I can understand folks want the venting at each other here toned back a bit, but why should overt Obama collaborators be spared the unpleasantries?

Posted by: Methos at October 15, 2013 10:32 PM (hO9ad)

431
She's making $10 an hour to do this job. This isn't Robert Gibbs here.
Posted by: Methos at October 16, 2013 02:32 AM (hO9ad)

Wait wait wait hold the freaking train!

He gets paid to be an idiot?

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 10:39 PM (x3YFz)

432 "Rage against the machine but be nice to the mechanics" is an interesting concept however I'm disinclined to sympathize with someone who decided to be a Obamacare navigator and who gets paid to get people into this crap system. You go Warden! We need to jam Obamacare on every level: political, economic, and social. Otherwise it will be the end of the U.S.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 15, 2013 10:41 PM (SzAZ7)

433

Nah. The Who were playing "Summertime Blues" in concert as early as mid-1967. (They recorded a studio version in September '67.) LZ were formed in fall of 1968. The early Who renditions were a bit prissy, but it had been beefed up into its recognizable Leeds style by May of '68.

I was thinking that the Leeds show was from 68...somewhere I have an interview that was published in the mid-80's where Page relates seeing The Who perform Summertime Blues and saying he wanted to 'capture that sound' or something to that effect.

Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2013 10:44 PM (MLbJL)

434 I'm kind of an obsessive scholar of the music of this era. Sorry. Posted by: Jeff B. Don't be sorry! A good era to be obsessed with. My favorite bands from 1968 are The Nazz Steppenwolf The Move Amboy Dukes Led Zeppelin Crazy World of Arthur Brown Easybeats Plastic Penny Small Faces Tages Status Quo ...and the greatest of them all... Lothar and the Hand People!

Posted by: zombie at October 15, 2013 10:45 PM (+cx5n)

435

John Entwistle (hands down the greatest rock bassist ever, and it's an easy call).

Well, now.

Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2013 10:46 PM (MLbJL)

436 430 "Rage against the machine but be nice to the mechanics" is an interesting concept however I'm disinclined to sympathize with someone who decided to be a Obamacare navigator and who gets paid to get people into this crap system. You go Warden! We need to jam Obamacare on every level: political, economic, and social. Otherwise it will be the end of the U.S.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 02:41 AM (SzAZ7)

Exactly. Newsflash to the crew who say "oh... they're just doing their job, they're just feeding their families."

Morality isn't just a word (Dennis Leary voice) asshole. They know who they're working for and if they don't, then fuck them they're too stupid to matter.

This is a fight. These little fuckers are the cannon fodder, so fodder them! (I made that up... I don't think "fodder" is a verb, but I declare it so!)

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 10:47 PM (x3YFz)

437 Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 02:41 AM (SzAZ7)

not calling you an asshole. It was a general thing aimed at those other guys. You get the idea.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 10:49 PM (x3YFz)

438 Obamacare is indeed set up to gin up a mob against the insurance companies.

Fat lot of good that will do them when the insurance companies start going tits up because an insufficient number of healthy rubes signed up.

I suppose they can pivot to nasty former insurance CEOs or something.

Posted by: Methos at October 15, 2013 10:49 PM (hO9ad)

439

Posted by: zombie at October 16, 2013 02:45 AM

Ah, the Easybeats. Crazy guys. The kickass single from '68.

"Good Times"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adq6CrkiyZ0

Posted by: otho at October 15, 2013 10:51 PM (9gNQd)

440 427 As for Social Security, at the time it was passed it was a tax of one percent. One. Percent.

Who could object to a one percent tax?

This one percent tax was also sold to the public that it would never go up.

Your Honor, I give you Exhibit A in my argument of why you can't trust politicians.

Posted by: navybrat at October 16, 2013 02:31 AM (RakrK)

They tried to pass a state income tax here in Washington 2010. People were all worried about it since the previous income tax proposals died in front of the voters by at least 60-40 margins (many even higher than that), while this one was polling roughly 60/40 in favor. The proponents were saying it was a miniscule tax on the richest people and would only get a "fraction of their income." The anti-tax campaign rightly said it that they won't stop with the richest individuals and eventually it will get everybody.

Evidently our democrat state saw through it. Our final tally was 64% against and 36% in favor of the income tax initiative.

Funny thing is, our state actually passed an income tax measure 70%-30% back in 1932 with FDR's landslide. It was invalidated by the supreme court here. There was much gnashing of teeth by the farmers and the teachers unions (who were for it, not surprisingly).

Posted by: NWConservative at October 15, 2013 10:52 PM (M1gmo)

441

And the underated Easybeats song from '69.

"St. Louis"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD4O-3G9PaU

Posted by: otho at October 15, 2013 10:53 PM (9gNQd)

442 I'm also disinclined to feel sorry for the insurance companies that sold us out for a bit of gold when it made this deal with the administration. How long until Obama pulls a Darth Vader to their Lando dick move?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 15, 2013 10:55 PM (SzAZ7)

443 Why do so many people around here seem to think that some slug being paid with money that was stolen from us in the first place is worthy of sympathy when they 'just follow orders'?

I can understand folks want the venting at each other here toned back a bit, but why should overt Obama collaborators be spared the unpleasantries?

Posted by: Methos at October 16, 2013 02:32 AM (hO9ad)

Shut up TRUCON. SHUT UP YOUR RACIST HATE. Ted Cruz is teh DEBIL!

Posted by: NWConservative at October 15, 2013 10:55 PM (M1gmo)

444 Fat lot of good that will do them when the insurance companies start going tits up because an insufficient number of healthy rubes signed up.

I suppose they can pivot to nasty former insurance CEOs or something.

Posted by: Methos at October 16, 2013 02:49 AM (hO9ad)

Did they not see this coming? From like 20 miles away? I don't work for an insurance company, nor am I in any way an expert on insurance but, seriously?

I saw this coming, what? Two years ago? 2010? Somewhere?

Not a mystery.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 10:55 PM (x3YFz)

445 not calling you an asshole. Posted by: tangonine at October 16, 2013 02:49 AM (x3YFz) ~ Hell, you're the first one all month not to call me an asshole and that includes my minister, my boss and and my mom. Hey maybe I AM an asshole...

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 15, 2013 10:57 PM (SzAZ7)

446 Did they not see this coming? From like 20 miles away? I don't work for an insurance company, nor am I in any way an expert on insurance but, seriously?

I saw this coming, what? Two years ago? 2010? Somewhere?

Not a mystery.

Posted by: tangonine at October 16, 2013 02:55 AM (x3YFz)

They are of the simple mindset. Like the same people who believe the media would cover Obamacare's AWESOME rollout without Osama Bin Cruz's moneymaking $hutdown theater.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 15, 2013 10:58 PM (M1gmo)

447 Hey maybe I AM an asshole...

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 02:57 AM (SzAZ7)

No worries. I get the same treatment at home.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 10:58 PM (x3YFz)

448 Hey maybe I AM an asshole...

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 02:57 AM (SzAZ7)

The alternative is everyone else is an asshole and you're the only one who gets it. That's usually what I go with.

Mixed results, though.

Posted by: tangonine at October 15, 2013 11:01 PM (x3YFz)

449 Posted by: tangonine at October 16, 2013 03:01 AM (x3YFz) Okay that cheered me up.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 15, 2013 11:02 PM (SzAZ7)

450 Is there someplace I can get thread insurance I think I killed this one.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 15, 2013 11:07 PM (SzAZ7)

451 Really, what's more enjoyable: Discussing the origins of hard rock, heavy metal and progrock -- or late-night red-on-red slugging matches over who's to blame for the mess this country's in?

Posted by: zombie at October 15, 2013 11:08 PM (+cx5n)

452 Hmmm....does it have to be a choice?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 15, 2013 11:13 PM (SzAZ7)

453 450 Hmmm....does it have to be a choice? Posted by: Mr. Feverhead Well, you can choose the Bronze Plan Hard Rock Discussion Group, which will cost you only $568/month, for which you get one Steppenwolf Exam and three free Led Zeppelin Outtakes as part of the coverage! However, if your eardrums get ruptured at a Blue Cheer concert, you're going straight to the Liverpool Pathway.

Posted by: zombie at October 15, 2013 11:19 PM (+cx5n)

454 Ok ok...I'll play. Is Pete Townsend the best semi-deaf, gay, pedophile rock guitarist/songwriter in history or what!

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 15, 2013 11:20 PM (SzAZ7)

455 Really, what's more enjoyable: Discussing the origins of hard rock, heavy metal and progrock -- or late-night red-on-red slugging matches over who's to blame for the mess this country's in?

Posted by: zombie at October 16, 2013 03:08 AM (+cx5n)

You don't have to stay up for the latter, you can have it any time.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at October 15, 2013 11:20 PM (qyfb5)

456 Did they not see this coming? From like 20 miles away? I don't work for an insurance company, nor am I in any way an expert on insurance but, seriously?

The insurance geniuses didn't think any farther than the individual mandate when the supported Obamacare's passage. Participation in the exchanges was supposed to be 'like printing money', particularly once it was revealed that 'competition' was going to be limited by county. The premise of Obamacare was that everyone needs health insurance in any case, so the choice not to enroll wasn't taken seriously.

Posted by: Methos at October 15, 2013 11:20 PM (hO9ad)

457 Truth is Zombie I listen to less and less classical rock as I get older it seems. Unless I'm liquored up and feeling nostalgic. Lately, I'm finding music to be rather stale with pop and rap driving me away from listening. If anyone has some good recommendations on newer rock bands I'd appreciate it.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 15, 2013 11:27 PM (SzAZ7)

458 What I STILL don't get is this: If everyone under the age of 27 is already BY LAW now covered under their parents' insurance plans, then where will this mysterious generation of insurance-less young healthy people (who are supposed to fund this whole thing by being forced to buy insurance when they're young and don't use medical services) come from? THEY'RE ALREADY ALL COVERED by the other requirements of Obamacare. So not only do they have no motivation to sign up -- they're not required to sign up. Because they already have coverage through mom and/or dad. I guess the answer is that a mysterious sliver of the American demographic -- 27- to 32-year-olds who until now have gone uninsured because they are unemployed -- will now be forced to sign up en masse, fork over all their (nonexistent) income, never get sick or see a doctor, and thereby finance the whole scheme! C'mon, all you healthy unemployed rich 27-year-olds! Get your asses in gear and save America!

Posted by: zombie at October 15, 2013 11:34 PM (+cx5n)

459 449 zombie Really, what's more enjoyable: Discussing the origins of hard rock, heavy metal and progrock -- or late-night red-on-red slugging matches over who's to blame for the mess this country's in? The Beating of Jeff B. was an entertaining read ...

Posted by: Avenging Disco Godfather at October 15, 2013 11:34 PM (FlRtG)

460 Obviously, we need more rich healthy orphans in this country.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 15, 2013 11:37 PM (SzAZ7)

461 If anyone has some good recommendations on newer rock bands I'd appreciate it. Posted by: Mr. Feverhead You must be liquored up right now to even imagine there are any new rock bands worth listening to. Unrelenting derivative mediocrity is all I see these days. Luckily there are countless amazing back alleys and sub-genres and hidden gems stretching across eras and styles, to such an extent that one could listen to "new" (i.e. unfamiliar yet old) amazing music every day of one's life and never once have to endure a "contemporary" act. One need not be forced the listen to the same overplayed "oldies" over and over again. There's been so much great music created and recorded over the last century that it's essentially infinite!

Posted by: zombie at October 15, 2013 11:42 PM (+cx5n)

462

If everyone under the age of 27 is already BY LAW now covered under their parents' insurance plans, then where will this mysterious generation of insurance-less young healthy people (who are supposed to fund this whole thing by being forced to buy insurance when they're young and don't use medical services) come from?

Amazing how that never gets asked isn't it.

Posted by: buzzion at October 15, 2013 11:47 PM (LI48c)

463 There has got to be new rock bands out their worth listening to. If not the terrorists will have won. I find it hard to believe that rock is dead. I get what you're saying about hidden historical nuggets but quite often the nugget isn't gold and it's hidden for a reason. Well maybe with the way things are headed punk will make a comeback. The funny thing about most artists now is that I sense they are all pro-establishment and it just feels wrong.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 15, 2013 11:51 PM (SzAZ7)

464 I'm just waiting for Devo's comeback tour in support of Healthcare.gov.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 15, 2013 11:54 PM (SzAZ7)

465 If everyone under the age of 27 is already BY LAW now covered under their parents' insurance plans, ... This is true of those whose parents (wealthy enough to) have insurance. ... then where will this mysterious generation of insurance-less young healthy people ... come from? ... from the ranks of those whose parent's have no insurance? ... wait ...

Posted by: Manfred von Brauerei-Mehrwertsteuer, Member, The League of Ugly Shirted Gentlemen at October 15, 2013 11:54 PM (FlRtG)

466 Orphans. We need more orphans.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 15, 2013 11:55 PM (SzAZ7)

467 The Brruce Wayne type and not the Oliver Twist type.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 15, 2013 11:57 PM (SzAZ7)

468 Tonight I've discovered that Orphans are the fuel of ObamaCare and that Rock is dead. Kick me while I'm down, already.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 12:01 AM (SzAZ7)

469 healthcare plan with doesn't qualify isn't an "illegal" plan. The insurance company is not mandated to do away with such plans. It may be the best decision business-wise, but they aren't forced to do it. They aren't forced to be in the insurance business to begin with. ---- Because there's a huge demand for plans which also get you fined for having.

Posted by: UWP at October 16, 2013 12:03 AM (vj51i)

470 I wonder if I could get a night job as an ObamaCare navigator and troll the system from the other side. "Hello this is Knaven. Welcome to the ACA helpline. So you want some free healthcare you worthless hippy, your parents must be real proud."

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 12:11 AM (SzAZ7)

471 There has got to be new rock bands out their worth listening to. If not the terrorists will have won. I find it hard to believe that rock is dead. I get what you're saying about hidden historical nuggets but quite often the nugget isn't gold and it's hidden for a reason. Well maybe with the way things are headed punk will make a comeback. The funny thing about most artists now is that I sense they are all pro-establishment and it just feels wrong.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 03:51 AM

There isn't much in the way of a filter, anymore, which is part of the problem. It used to be that you had to come up with some solid stuff to get recorded. You could do your own limited run, of course... but, unsold copies of whatever puts an end to that rather quickly. These days anybody can release stuff with little to no cost and it doesn't matter. So, there are decent tracks being done, but they're often lost amongst the noise. Radio doesn't play the part it used to in sifting through what's out there. Venues are not as numerous as they were and it's not as common for acts to hone their chops live regularly anymore. There are some bands/acts out there that measure up, but... IMHO, they would be, at best, middle of the pack, compared to a couple of decades ago. Lower compared to a few decades ago. Competition was fierce back then and that pushed everybody up. Now, there's less push. At least, it seems that way.

Posted by: otho at October 16, 2013 12:20 AM (9gNQd)

472 For sheer volume of free music to listen to, nothing beats the South by SouthWest Collection (SXSW). Every year they release DVDs full of MP3s and it's all free, you can download it all no charge. Tens of thousands of songs.

Also nothing beats it for wasting your time digging through it all looking for stuff you like.

IIRC the larger share could be called rock and punk, frankly because that's most bands that sign up. I couldn't tell you ahead of time what you'd like, and it's not tagged well, either.

But it's huge and it's free.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at October 16, 2013 12:36 AM (qyfb5)

473 Is this where all the awake kids went?

Posted by: bill-o at October 16, 2013 12:48 AM (AWwDY)

474 460 If everyone under the age of 27 is already BY LAW......
Is there a regulation than mandates parents cover their children if they aren't dependents on their tax return and aren't subject to their tax liability? Just asking because everyday there is a new unpleasant heretofore unknown "mandate". Also who has to pay a kid's penalty or buy insurance. Ex's fight over who gets to use kids as dependents on the tax return. It is even stipulated in divorces. Is that now going to be re-litigated in family courts as who has to provide/pay for the insurance since it is tripling in cost. Will it now offset child support or cut it since it can take up most of schmucks income? Are the Earned Income Credit crowd going to suddenly drop their kids to because the penalty will be deducted? I'll stop now because the possibilities of unintended consequences are too great.

Posted by: Bob at October 16, 2013 01:10 AM (qTsuK)

475 My favorite part is:
Magnolia
If you liked your plan and it covered the minimum essential health benefits you could have kept it. It was the insurance company's decision to cancel it.
I see the heads of insurance executives blowing up across the country. My question is are they going to eat it or get even? I vote get even.

Posted by: Bob at October 16, 2013 01:15 AM (qTsuK)

476 Why do I see so many unusual names in the ACA chats? Is it sampling bias? I just find it really weird.

Posted by: Matt S. at October 16, 2013 01:47 AM (BBfhc)

477 OUTSTANDING troll! Well done, my friend. Well done. Now if everyone got just one friend to troll the helpline and that friend got just one friend to troll the helpline... Well, I think we could be just days away from transforming America.

Posted by: Bets at October 16, 2013 01:51 AM (tDvvM)

478 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 16, 2013 04:36 AM (qyfb5) ~ SXSW, eh? Thanks, I'll check it out.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 01:52 AM (SzAZ7)

479 Awesome.

We need to learn to speak 'tard fluently so we can blend in to the United States of Brawndo....

Posted by: sven10077 at October 16, 2013 01:54 AM (9jfyN)

480 6 Andrew at October 15, 2013 11:16 PM (VjlMj)

Uh "no" it was Nanny Botox and Bark Ogabe's idea to make my superior to the shit they're slinging plan "obsolete."

The ONLY saving grace of the Ogabe "Bwonze" is no lifetime cap....of course you do understand that Ogabe machine gunned every actuarial tool the insurer has on the matter basically?

Posted by: sven10077 at October 16, 2013 01:56 AM (9jfyN)

481 Good Morning! Here's a laugh from the WaPo.. " We might find Bigfoot before we find an Obamacare enrollee, say Rep. John Fleming.. heh

http://bit.ly/1eqoiJC

Posted by: Yip at October 16, 2013 02:02 AM (/jHWN)

482 57 Laurie David's Cervix at October 15, 2013 11:32 PM (kdS6q)

Right, and it was their choice not to sell them or something....

uh well Bob it says here on page 23,486 that a "non minimum plan is dead on 01/01/2014 guess we better not sell them....

//Insurance CEO

"Nice Choice..."

//Bob the advisor

Posted by: sven10077 at October 16, 2013 02:03 AM (9jfyN)

483 Posted by: otho at October 16, 2013 04:20 AM (9gNQd) ~ I still get a blast out of even passable bands in small live venues. It does seem that there are less of those nowadays.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 02:04 AM (SzAZ7)

484 189 grognard at October 16, 2013 12:26 AM (cePbF)

Yup. We were called Nazis and Bushhitler clones for 8 years....and 5 years in to Chicago Marx the Fifth(Columnist) Marx brother "fundamentally transforming America" we're supposed to be as polite as kittens.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 16, 2013 02:05 AM (9jfyN)

485 As soon as this whole webpage thing is cleared up the rest of the implementation will go swimmingly I'm sure.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 02:07 AM (SzAZ7)

486 What, you object to having to purchase an insurance plan that covers tranny ops? Do you not recall Barky referring to "our collective salvation"? H8er!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at October 16, 2013 02:09 AM (Zegef)

487 So can I use my EBT on the huge deductible?

Posted by: 2016 Voter at October 16, 2013 02:14 AM (SzAZ7)

488 We should convert the healthcare system directly to Yuan and save the money changing fees on the subsidies.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 02:17 AM (SzAZ7)

489 You are the Walrus.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 16, 2013 02:22 AM (a6O1A)

490 488 Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 06:17 AM (SzAZ7)

You have to figure the Chinese are laughing their asses off...

"you want my imaginary money to buy shitty healthcare? Sign me up!"

Here's an apt metaphor for Ogabecare this am...

http://youtu.be/edHnVGfYEq0

Posted by: sven10077 at October 16, 2013 02:22 AM (9jfyN)

491 What about Foodcare reform. I should to be able to spend Chinese investments on pizza delivery.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 16, 2013 02:27 AM (a6O1A)

492 Posted by: sven10077 at October 16, 2013 06:22 AM (9jfyN) ~ Captain Francesco Schettino Obama at the helm. No worries.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 02:28 AM (SzAZ7)

493 491 Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 16, 2013 06:27 AM (a6O1A)

We call that the student loan scam...

You know I wish I could say I saw the donks being so flush with money coming back in the 80s with the rise of the GSLs but I didn't catch on to the gag until ~93

Posted by: sven10077 at October 16, 2013 02:29 AM (9jfyN)

494 A $10,000 deductible for people who have never even had that much money? Why have insurance at all? Spend your money on something that has a chance to pay of, like lottery tickets.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 16, 2013 02:30 AM (a6O1A)

495 494 Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 16, 2013 06:30 AM (a6O1A)

"Hey wingnut! this keeps people from going bankrupt! or something"

//Kostardz

of course for the average 27 YO 10,000 deductibles will bankrupt them just as ably as 100,000

Posted by: sven10077 at October 16, 2013 02:36 AM (9jfyN)

496 I've already seen some commentators on news sites and my liberal colleagues at work start saying ACA is really a Republican plan at heart. That is telling. The rubes on the left are starting to panic.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 02:38 AM (SzAZ7)

497 A $100,000 deductible would be better. You'd get a lower premium. This is an extra tax for people who are bad at math, only it's quasi mandatory.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 16, 2013 02:39 AM (a6O1A)

498 Er not commentators.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 02:40 AM (SzAZ7)

499 I still get a blast out of even passable bands in small live venues. It does seem that there are less of those nowadays.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 06:04 AM

It's thin going for even reasonably successful new bands. Pros. Despite a comparitive lack of competition, they might play two or 3 times a week for 3 weeks, then not do any for a couple of months. There just isn't the number and variety of venues to go harder. The guys these days can't wrap their heads around what live work used to be... 6 or 7 days a week, until you dropped. There weren't the restrictions these days, cram 3 bands on the bill, go till all hours.. what's a noise restriction? Another thing that's changed is that they don't do covers, as much. Lack of live hours to fill seems to result in a kind of sound/style/song writing inertia. There isn't as much need to do new things, develop new sounds and even write new songs. Punters only see them infrequently, so the incentive to mix it up with new stuff, well spun covers etc, isn't there... generally. Not a rule.

Posted by: otho at October 16, 2013 02:41 AM (9gNQd)

500 496 Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 06:38 AM (SzAZ7)

We should organize raiding parties of people to ask why Obama "the smartest man ever" and speaker Pelousy allowed themselves to get bamboozled by the GOP then?

497 Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 16, 2013 06:39 AM (a6O1A)

There used to be this beautiful thing called a market that allowed you to make risk decisions for your own income pool...

it was a glorious time in human existence.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 16, 2013 02:41 AM (9jfyN)

501 So when does this cost curve get bent down?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 02:43 AM (SzAZ7)

502 501 Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 06:43 AM (SzAZ7)

BWAHAHAHA this escalator only goes up comrade...

Posted by: sven10077 at October 16, 2013 02:44 AM (9jfyN)

503 Someone should be able to sell me a policy with a trillion dollar deductible for about 15 cents a month.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 16, 2013 02:46 AM (a6O1A)

504 Posted by: sven10077 at October 16, 2013 06:44 AM (9jfyN) ~ Indeed, the only thing getting bent down is us.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 02:47 AM (SzAZ7)

505 The moving of the goalposts are telling. The left is so thoroughly disgusting with their talking points... it's all a game to them.

Posted by: Yip at October 16, 2013 02:47 AM (/jHWN)

506 Any chance the House says FOAD, letting the 17th pass with no CR?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 16, 2013 02:57 AM (P/47D)

507 Things to ask Democrats: 1. Do the prisoners at Guantanamo get covered by ObamaCare? 2. Can EBT cards be used to cover $10,000 deductibles. 3. How many government social spending programs have come in on or under projections and why do you think this one will? 4. What do you call a governmental system where one man can change the law by his own decree? 5. Does Obamacare cover injuries American citizens suffer when targeted by drone strikes? and finally, 6. Why are you retarded, sir?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 03:04 AM (SzAZ7)

508 199 Paul has just had a pointless conversation with an automated response system Posted by: Barack at October 16, 2013 12:29 AM (EhVFg) So what's worse, that he interacted with an incompetent, or that he interacted with a computer system programmed by incompetents, the same crew that is now responsible for running ocare?

Posted by: flounder at October 16, 2013 03:08 AM (Kkt/i)

509 "501 So when does this cost curve get bent down?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 16, 2013 06:43 AM (SzAZ7)"

Only when the tight fisted Republicans stop sabotaging the system, comrade.

Posted by: The MSM at October 16, 2013 04:05 AM (q1sF4)

510 I can't help but be reminded of the guy who harassed the girl in the Chick-fil-A line--and at least he did it face to face.

Be better than this. Or if our only course now is to be rude, at least be effective.

This is only embarrassing.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 16, 2013 04:32 AM (JgsOZ)

511 Going to pull this kind of thing, you better be using a computer at the local library - or else plan to spend a few years in re-education camp.

Posted by: Handcuffed to the Bumper of a State Trooper's Ford at October 16, 2013 04:40 AM (eMtQ2)

512 @ 511, local libraries around me now require a library card confirmation to log on. Back to McD's wifi...

Posted by: roy_batty at October 16, 2013 04:45 AM (tNRJl)

513 Good morning Horde, This was hilarious!!!! I'm glad you are a creative character Open Blogger. Awesome. This made my morning!!!

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 16, 2013 04:51 AM (HVff2)

514

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 16, 2013 08:32 AM (JgsOZ)

My concern is that it's just a support room supporting dozens of projects.

She may not have known what she was supporting when she signed on (and her job may involve being frontline support/script reader for a handful of things at once.)

Then what? We laugh because her contractor got this contract and now she's hosed?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at October 16, 2013 04:58 AM (GaqMa)

515 488 We should convert the healthcare system directly to Yuan and save the money changing fees on the subsidies.
Mr Feverhead, the rate of exchange is only going south from here. Great idea. Now all you need is a fireproof safe at home to store it. Reminder to self: Buy stock in safe companies.

Posted by: Bob at October 16, 2013 05:00 AM (qTsuK)

516 .....And passed the cost on down to us.
Uh, poor you. I'm still paying for your whiny ass. I'm the son of one of the greatest generation from the Depression and the world war. I paid cash for three kids college. I pay the most property taxes in TWO counties. I inherited NOTHING but a work ethic. Get busy and make some money. If an ignorant hick like me can do it surely an intelligent know it all like you can. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Bob at October 16, 2013 05:12 AM (qTsuK)

517 On another point Magnolia did maintain her gov't composure - like a good little drone.

Funny chat session.

Posted by: Everyday Joe at October 16, 2013 05:23 AM (DVC2D)

518 I am a conservative and I think your conduct with this person was unacceptable and inexcusable. Your language was offensive and directed against the wrong person.

I am surprised that you are proud enough of this to post it.

Posted by: paul at October 16, 2013 05:44 AM (exqUx)

519 This was just stupid. And mean.

The person who's time you wasted had nothing to do with Obamacare and may have even been a red state single mom working two jobs to support her parents and child after losing her husband in Afghanistan. You knew nothing about the person whom you were berating, but pushed all of your frustrations out on her for nothing more than a blog post.

Conservatives are better men and women than what you've just shown.

On the other hand, she did very well with not falling to your baited, irrelevant attacks, and you should recognize the canned response that you highlighted as both a canned response and a means by which she wanted to get you back on topic.

Posted by: Daniel at October 16, 2013 05:49 AM (9TS9J)

520 "minimum essential health benefits" = mandates = premiums increase

Posted by: Murph at October 16, 2013 05:56 AM (bAXJL)

521 Better trolling would be to do this in their most obscure supported language.

Posted by: Eric at October 16, 2013 06:04 AM (ClJ2V)

522 by the way those of us who have donated to Ace?

Yeah I think he who must not be named is trying to get us through discovery...

this is another battlefield the right doesn't play on but the left is gaming like hell.

the right needs to make malignant use of their lawyers like the leftoids.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 16, 2013 06:27 AM (9jfyN)

523 "Paul" is now on a government watch list

Posted by: kj at October 16, 2013 08:45 AM (kw7uo)

524 JOIN ME in Operation Dispirit! We can do more! It's easy and FUN! My example of trolling the site is at "Operation Dispirit" at GuardAmerican blog. FIGHT!

Posted by: Kirk at October 16, 2013 10:18 AM (GBnWt)

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