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September 16, 2013

VaporNews: NBC Retracts Claim That Innocent Man Is Mass Murderer
— Ace

I'm going to write the guy's name so that he has at least some positive Google search returns: Rollie Chance is innocent and did nothing more criminal than show up to work and drop his employee ID during a shooting.

How did Rollie Chance's name go from being unknown, but not thought of poorly, to being blackened by a media that chases the fog? Based on... this.

Passive voice. MT @chucktodd: Confusion over shooter name had to do with an I.D. card found near dead gunman; led to bad initial reporting.
— John Ekdahl, Jr. (@JohnEkdahl) September 16, 2013

An ID was found on the floor at the site of a rampage shooting and the conclusion is that the ID must have belonged to the shooter?

Now I don't think the media found the ID. It was a source of theirs who found it, or heard of it being found, and then tipped them.

But they're the ones who reported this.

Most people in these sorts of situations simply do not know what the hell is going on. And that includes the police. The name "Sunil Tripthani" was mentioned as the Boston Bomber after it was so mentioned by Boston Police during the infamous car chase through Boston.

It's simply wrong to assume that someone who babbles knows what he's talking about, as the media often does. They claim they verify these things, but often the "verification" consists of nothing more than a second person saying, "Oh I heard that too."

As in: Yes, I too heard that rumor from someone who knows nothing at all about the situation. I heard that rumor from someone slightly more ignorant myself.

And therefore it's now "verified."

I like John Ekdahl noting the passive voice used for confessing the error. Were I a betting man, I'd bet they didn't use the passive voice for reporting the false claim. I bet they used a nice aggressive active voice. As in, "NBC can now confirm..."

Myself, I have no idea what's going on. I've chased these breaking news stories enough times to know that most people don't know what's going on. The police probably do not know what's going on, not really, or they'd say so.

We'll know they've figured it out when they announce that a press conference about the suspect (or suspects, I have no idea) will be upcoming. It's not as if they're going to sit on that information for a long time.

Apparently it was CBS' John Miller who was the first (or among the first) to let slip the ignorant misreporting on Rollie Chance's criminal name-tag dropping.

What the Heck? According to false reports, There was a Second Shooting at Bolling Air Force Base!!!!111!Eleventy!!!

Those initial reports are now denied.

How the hell does this happen? How can one report on a shooting that didn't even happen?

Posted by: Ace at 10:37 AM | Comments (224)
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1 Thanks for doing this Ace--people are still reporting this in comments.

Posted by: tasker at September 16, 2013 10:38 AM (r2PLg)

2 Fact checkers? Never heard of them.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at September 16, 2013 10:38 AM (LSJmV)

3 Errors were made.

Posted by: The MSM, Now With 20% More Objectivity at September 16, 2013 10:39 AM (8ZskC)

4 Our so called news professionals truly suck.

Posted by: CDR M at September 16, 2013 10:39 AM (BuYeH)

5 Sue, Rollie. Sue like the wind.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 16, 2013 10:39 AM (/kI1Q)

6 Passive voice: drinking binge led Ace's couch smelling like beer

Posted by: meh at September 16, 2013 10:40 AM (W2qJe)

7 What's worse than a lying, agenda driven media? An incompetent, lying, agenda driven media.

Posted by: Countrysquire at September 16, 2013 10:40 AM (LSJmV)

8 Being first beats being right, I guess

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 16, 2013 10:40 AM (8sCoq)

9 If the guy's still alive he's got a hell of a story to tell the young'uns.

Posted by: joncelli at September 16, 2013 10:41 AM (RD7QR)

10 Errors were made by a Maker of Errors, who erred on matters of potential importance. Apologies are alluded to.

Posted by: The MSM, Now With 20% More Objectivity at September 16, 2013 10:41 AM (8ZskC)

But Rollie Chance sounds so much like a teaparty name!

/MFM

Posted by: maddogg at September 16, 2013 10:42 AM (xWW96)

12 The safest thing to do is assume the worst. I hate to say it--but that's the safest thing to do. The timing of this--the fact that it is a "Navy" target.... You go with that --till you get solid evidence it isn't "organized."

Posted by: tasker at September 16, 2013 10:42 AM (r2PLg)

13 Ooopsies!

Posted by: MFM at September 16, 2013 10:42 AM (BAS5M)

14 We regret the error, but all black men look the same to us. Oopsies. -MSM

Posted by: RWC at September 16, 2013 10:42 AM (fWAjv)

Who are these honorary graduates of CSI running the editorial department?

Posted by: Red Shirt at September 16, 2013 10:43 AM (FIDMq)

16 Don't look at me. I stay away from YouTube. Judges orders.

Posted by: Nakoula Basseley Nakoula [/i] at September 16, 2013 10:43 AM (U2UQk)

17 Those responsible for the error have (not) been sacked

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 16, 2013 10:43 AM (8sCoq)

18 Rolo Tomassi.....

Posted by: Jack Vincennes at September 16, 2013 10:43 AM (TOk1P)

19 They just interviewed some Navy CDR, Medical Type but could not clearly see what type, on FOX.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 10:43 AM (9Xc5j)

20 It's like the bit in the Simpsons where Homer starts counting out paces from a random spot in the White House. When he reaches "four-score and twenty" he digs there. I found an ID card. Must be the shooter's!

Posted by: bonhomme at September 16, 2013 10:43 AM (yETln)

21 Passive voice: because Republicans

Posted by: Othbama at September 16, 2013 10:43 AM (W2qJe)

@chucktodd: Confusion over shooter name had to do with an I.D. card found near dead gunman; led to bad initial reporting.

Also known as "bad reporting," upChuck. No number of palliative adjectives can change the facts.

It doesn't matter when you get something wrong in the timeline of reportage. You don't get a mulligan because you screwed up early on. Wrong is wrong. And when you're talking about outing a man as a potential mass murderer, it's VERY wrong. What it means is you didn't show due diligence and decided to go ahead with unverified information, both of which should be anathema to any actual "journalist."

This is called "bad reporting."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 16, 2013 10:43 AM (4df7R)

23 Yes NBC's Chuck Todd had to be one of the first out of the box to blame the wrong man, but when the media does one of their post -mortem/navel gazing exercises that usually follow a story like this it will be the new media or some blogger who will take the hit.

Posted by: JoeyBagels at September 16, 2013 10:44 AM (2XVrZ)

24 I'll bet the layers of editors and fact checkers in the authoritative media before too much more time had gone by. Because professional journalists are better than some guy sitting in his basement.

Posted by: Senator Diane Feinstein at September 16, 2013 10:44 AM (qf2kI)

25 I did WHAT now???

Posted by: Rollie Fingers at September 16, 2013 10:44 AM (TOk1P)

@chucktodd: Confusion over shooter name had to do with an I.D. card found near dead gunman; led to bad initial reporting.

---------------------------------

It seems to me like he's blaming the fucking ID card. Anyone else reading it that way?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 16, 2013 10:45 AM (CJjw5)

27 I'm taking off my badge and locking it in my desk.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at September 16, 2013 10:45 AM (epxV4)

28 There was a cigarette butt next to my car tire when I went to lunch. I must be a smoker!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 16, 2013 10:46 AM (4df7R)

29 If you knew Rollie like I know Rollie.,,

Oh, wrong one?

Posted by: Charles Gibson at September 16, 2013 10:46 AM (6xhLc)

30 Being first beats being right, I guess Posted by: Jones in CO at September 16, 2013 02:40 PM (8sCoq) Damn straight!

Posted by: that guy what posts 'First!' on post #4 at September 16, 2013 10:46 AM (KUWkM)

31 bad reporting? How about totally irresponsible, just name dropping someone as a mass murderer? OOPS, sorry. Assholes

Posted by: Red Shirt at September 16, 2013 10:46 AM (FIDMq)

32 I Googled Kate Upton and I got a shooting.

In my pants.

Posted by: CUS at September 16, 2013 10:46 AM (84pE9)

It seems to me like he's blaming the fucking ID card. Anyone else reading it that way?

The ID card acted stupidly!

Posted by: Chuck. Todd. at September 16, 2013 10:47 AM (NF2Bf)

34 one perp described as wearing khakis plus beret does not make sense. Its a made up uniform. Like someone went to a thrift shop and threw it together

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 10:47 AM (zOTsN)

35 Layers and layers of fact checking.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 16, 2013 10:47 AM (JxMoP)

36 Then he tweeted this: @chucktodd I know folks are relishing an opportunity to get out their hatred for media; I'm just trying to provide context for what we got wrong I tweeted back "No problem....we assume you guys are wrong to begin with."

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 16, 2013 10:47 AM (bCEmE)

37 If I had a son, he'd be named Rollie Chance or Booz Allen. Great names.

Posted by: L, elle at September 16, 2013 10:47 AM (0PiQ4)

38 It seems to me like he's blaming the fucking ID card. Anyone else reading it that way? That's why passive-voice is double plus ungood. Mistakes were made. Who made what mistakes? Liberties were taken? Who took what liberties? Some say... Who says that?

Posted by: bonhomme at September 16, 2013 10:47 AM (yETln)

39 NBC is trying again with a new name for shooter: NBC News ‏@NBCNews 2m Navy Yard shooter identified as civilian contractor Aaron Alexis, 34, officials say - @PeteWilliamsNBC They say he's from Ft Worth, TX

Posted by: Ragamuffin at September 16, 2013 10:47 AM (fzFF6)

40 I have it on good authority that Vida Blue was on acid when he shot up that Naval Base.

Posted by: garrett at September 16, 2013 10:47 AM (KY+9m)

41 "How the hell does this happen? How can one report on a shooting that didn't even happen?"

Layers and layers of fact checking. It's the Exceptionalism we've come to expect from our American Press.

Posted by: Richard Jewell at September 16, 2013 10:48 AM (eHIJJ)

42 Bad initial reporting as opposed to the bad future reporting that we haven't seen yet .

Posted by: awkward davies at September 16, 2013 10:48 AM (WK8VM)

@chucktodd

I know folks are relishing an opportunity to get out their hatred for media; I'm just trying to provide context for what we got wrong

What "we" got wrong. Yeah, okay.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 16, 2013 10:48 AM (4df7R)

44 President schedules news conference to discuss terrorism, Syria, the economy, Obamacare, Egypt, Russian and Chinese adventurism and budget deficits as far as the eye can see. http://bit.ly/16dk9Dg

Posted by: MTF at September 16, 2013 10:48 AM (qf2kI)

45 I therefore blame Ted Cruz

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 10:48 AM (zOTsN)

46 #10 FTW!!

Posted by: Dooly(slippin' up the holler} at September 16, 2013 10:48 AM (EyWmu)

47 Didn't they also initially claim the shooter was a service Disgruntled member of the forces?

Posted by: willow at September 16, 2013 10:48 AM (nqBYe)

48 @chucktodd Seriously, though, guess how much more money I make than you. Ballpark it ... no .. higher. Much higher.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 16, 2013 10:48 AM (ZPrif)

"How the hell does this happen? How can one report on a shooting that didn't even happen?"

Because of criminal incompetence.

Hell, the chief of police for D.C. is reporting there are 12 dead.

I highly doubt that. More like 12 shot, 4, possibly more, are dead.

This is hours after it happened, but the female chief of police, for this country's capital city, is that misinformed.

Posted by: jwest at September 16, 2013 10:49 AM (u2a4R)

50 There is no incentive to be right. They know that as long as anything is reported first or early, they can say, "we've been on top of this since the get-go." Meanwhile, innocent lives are ruined and relatives of those in harm's way are traumatized. Just another day at the office for the MSM.

Posted by: RS at September 16, 2013 10:49 AM (YAGV/)

51 It's really too bad the ID card wasn't found next to Chuck Todd, if you know what I'm getting at. I'm tired of this malpractice every time something bad happens they start pulling random names out of a hat and putting them on national news.

Posted by: Heralder at September 16, 2013 10:49 AM (+xmn4)

52 NBC News Ã¾@NBCNews 2m
Navy Yard shooter identified as civilian contractor Aaron Alexis, 34, officials say - @PeteWilliamsNBC

They say he's from Ft Worth, TX

Posted by: Ragamuffin at September 16, 2013 02:47 PM (fzFF6)

We'll see if that holds up.

Odds that this is blamed on the Sequester? Better than average.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 16, 2013 10:49 AM (4df7R)

53 MOAR GUN LAWS!!!!

Posted by: Writer of feel good legislation at September 16, 2013 10:49 AM (FIDMq)

54 34 one perp described as wearing khakis plus beret does not make sense. Its a made up uniform. Like someone went to a thrift shop and threw it together Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 02:47 PM (zOTsN) ************ It's civilians using the term-- Khaki--they probably mean the color khaki. And in their world hell--that could mean-- beige.

Posted by: tasker at September 16, 2013 10:49 AM (r2PLg)

55 WELL WELL WELL

Sam Burk ‏@SamuelBurk 1m

Â“@DCPoliceDept: The white male in the tan outfit has been identified and is not a suspect or person of interest.Â” @BretBaier

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 16, 2013 10:49 AM (8sCoq)

56 Meanwhile , back at the White House, King Baraka takes credit for saving the economy , jobs and the American auto industry.

People murdered down the street = Pump up my Legacy!

Totally. Psychologically. Stable.

Posted by: no one, really at September 16, 2013 10:50 AM (EZl54)

57 What the Heck? According to false reports, There was a Second Shooting at Bolling Air Force Base!!!!111!Eleventy!!! Those initial reports are now denied. How the hell does this happen? How can one report on a shooting that didn't even happen? Posted by: Ace at 02:37 PM what me meant to say was that we received reports that there was activity including bowling at a second Air Force base, and several "shots" we made including a conversion of a 7-10 split. Mistakes were made. We regret the error. Nothing further. Is the media corrupt or incompetent? How about both.

Posted by: lawdvd at September 16, 2013 10:50 AM (UpdGw)

58 #55 finally some good news

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 16, 2013 10:50 AM (ZPrif)

59 get out their hatred for media

Which one of you morons put yours up?

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at September 16, 2013 10:50 AM (epxV4)

60 well he looks like he could be POTUS's son

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 10:50 AM (zOTsN)

This is hours after it happened, but the female chief of police, for this country's capital city, is that misinformed.

DC Police Chief Ms. Informed

Posted by: garrett at September 16, 2013 10:50 AM (KY+9m)

62 It was a rasberry beret. The kind that you buy at a second-hand store.

Posted by: JoeyBagels at September 16, 2013 10:51 AM (2XVrZ)

63 This is hours after it happened, but the female chief of police, for this country's capital city, is that misinformed.

Posted by: jwest at September 16, 2013 02:49 PM

Yeah, but she's got bigger stars on her shoulders than Eisenhower.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at September 16, 2013 10:51 AM (6xhLc)

64 I have confidence that the MFM is digging deeply into Rollie Chance's life anyway, just in case...he turns out to be a registered Republican, or a gun owner, or a Christian, or some other sort of person of whom the Smart Elite<TM> does not approve.

Posted by: Stu-22 at September 16, 2013 10:51 AM (dltsq)

Sam Burk Ã¾@SamuelBurk 1m

Â“@DCPoliceDept: The white male in the tan outfit has been identified and is not a suspect or person of interest.Â” @BretBaier

_______________________________

DAMMIT!!!

Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at September 16, 2013 10:51 AM (W2qJe)

66 >>>They say he's from Ft Worth, TX

Anyone want to take bets on when the first connection to "the Texas culture of gun violence" is made by an MSM commentator?

I say before the afternoon is out.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 16, 2013 10:51 AM (AITON)

67 WTOP Liveblog: The white male in the tan outfit has been identified and is not a suspect or person of interest.

Posted by: joncelli at September 16, 2013 10:51 AM (RD7QR)

68 Â“@DCPoliceDept: The white male in the tan outfit has been identified and is not a suspect or person of interest.Â” @BretBaier Every white male called in simultaneously and said, "Not it."

Posted by: bonhomme at September 16, 2013 10:51 AM (yETln)

69 Semi-automatic Glock AK-15 photo ID cards are wreaking havoc with the American media's pursuit of the truth! There really oughtta be a law.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at September 16, 2013 10:51 AM (NF2Bf)

70 Where's Chief Moose?

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 16, 2013 10:52 AM (ZshNr)

71 White male-- "TAN outfit" identified. Not the missing shooter.

Posted by: tasker at September 16, 2013 10:52 AM (r2PLg)

72 Hang on, you're saying the Media got something wrong? How could that possibly have happened?!?

Posted by: Null at September 16, 2013 10:52 AM (P7hip)

73 BREAKING

President to shake his groove thing

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 16, 2013 10:52 AM (8sCoq)

74 ^That is from CNN.

Posted by: tasker at September 16, 2013 10:52 AM (r2PLg)

75 Leave THE JOURNALISTS alone!!!

Posted by: Senator Feinstein at September 16, 2013 10:52 AM (71LDo)

76 What the Heck? According to false reports, There was a Second Shooting at Bolling Air Force Base!!!!111!Eleventy!!! Those initial reports are now denied. How the hell does this happen? How can one report on a shooting that didn't even happen? Posted by: Ace at 02:37 PM Because since Bolling is in such close proximity to Navy Yard, it went on lock down almost immediately and thus the confusion

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 10:52 AM (9Xc5j)

77 Apparently, all one needs to do is claim to be near the scene of a breaking news story and the news stenographers will publish anything you tell them.

As long as it doesn't involve monsters, aliens from space, or Area 51.

Posted by: Captain Doctor Evian Major Seargent, OBE, GYN, DD, DDSc at September 16, 2013 10:52 AM (e7v3y)

An ID was found on the floor at the site of a rampage shooting and the conclusion is that the ID must have belonged to the shooter?

It goes like this:

Dead shooter is a black guy (I assume)

Rollie Chance is a black guy.

All black people look alike to lily-white MFM types

Therefore, Rollie Chance = dead shooter.

It really is that simple. Heaven forbid it had been a slightly pudgy Korean who'd been killed or the nightly newscasts would be lit up with dueling claims that the shooter was either Psy or Kim Jong Un.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 16, 2013 10:52 AM (4df7R)

79 One Shooter and one shooter only

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 10:52 AM (9Xc5j)

80 Tonight on NBC News: Pop Rocks and Cola...recipe for an exploding stomach! Followed by a Special Report: Don't Step on that Crack, Jack! Sources say you'll break your mother's back!

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 16, 2013 10:53 AM (7ObY1)

81 CNN "white male in question, not a potential shooter." Aaand, the MFM weeps.

Posted by: L, elle at September 16, 2013 10:53 AM (0PiQ4)

82 Yes, but we need to pass fucking laws making sure that you goddamn bloggers don't get special privileges n' shit.

Posted by: © Sponge at September 16, 2013 10:53 AM (xmcEQ)

83 I have a feeling "Rollie Chance" is going to be famous on this board for some time to come.

Posted by: Dooly(slippin' up the holler} at September 16, 2013 10:53 AM (EyWmu)

84 Jezzuz gawd--so the whole time the reporters were reporting-- Khaki--they meant "tan".

Posted by: tasker at September 16, 2013 10:53 AM (r2PLg)

85 " Anyone want to take bets on when the first connection to "the Texas culture of gun violence" is made by an MSM commentator?Â " Oh, it's being typed up as we speak. Why even mention that he's from Texas?

Posted by: Pretty, Pretty Princess Lauren at September 16, 2013 10:53 AM (ELdpj)

86 Sam Burk Ã¾@SamuelBurk 1m

Â“@DCPoliceDept: The white male in the tan outfit has been identified and is not a suspect or person of interest.Â” @BretBaier

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 16, 2013 02:49 PM (8sCoq)

GOOD. Now we'll see about the black guy in green.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 16, 2013 10:53 AM (4df7R)

they are now reporting they ID'd Aaron Alexis using his fingerprints. He was arrested in Ft Worth for discharge of a firearm in 2010. So the narrative may have been discovered, gun culture!!!

what was he a contractor for?

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 10:53 AM (zOTsN)

88 There was a non-existant bombing at the State Dept on 9/11/01. I heard it on the radio at the time. They "need" to fill up space with words, so they do.

Posted by: Baldy at September 16, 2013 10:54 AM (tyDFN)

89 BTW, I'll repeat what I said in an earlier thread: one shooter. It's always one shooter, and it's always initially reported as multiples.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 16, 2013 10:54 AM (AITON)

90 sooo i wonder if the suspect that was shot was the shooter or another victim.

Posted by: willow at September 16, 2013 10:54 AM (nqBYe)

91 From earlier:

Perp's weapon:

A fully-automatic rapid-fire high-powered military-style folding-stock silenced flash-suppressed 9mm 12-gauge Assault Glock AK-15 shotgun.

With the shoulder thing that goes up, a bayonet, a compass in the stock, and this thing that tells time.

Loaded with high-capacity magazine banana clips full of 'cop-killer' bullet cartridges.

With the optional double-barreled over/under 40mm grenade launcher AND the flame-thrower.

And, it was BLACK (possibly 'WHITE-Black'), and in the 40 megawatt range.

[Chuck Norris carries this as a sidearm...]

Posted by: Parker at September 16, 2013 10:54 AM (YkW3i)

92 Glad the Sunday night game on NBC was last night because if it was tonight then we would all be lectured to by the super genius, serious you guys, Little Bobby Costas.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at September 16, 2013 10:54 AM (X+nFp)

93 This is your reporter, Joe Biden, signing off.

Posted by: Mallfly at September 16, 2013 10:54 AM (bJm7W)

94 Journalists are:
stupid,
sociopathic,
psychopathic,
angry,
or ignorant.
(Some or all of the above.)
When I've dealt with journalists I've been surprised when they spelled my name correctly.

If you're able to do so, pity them.

Posted by: Cretin watching from his polar redoubt, his Fortress of Solitude at September 16, 2013 10:54 AM (tfSla)

95 "Guns don't kill people, ID cards kill people."

Posted by: New NRA Motto at September 16, 2013 10:54 AM (71LDo)

96 77 Apparently, all one needs to do is claim to be near the scene of a breaking news story and the news stenographers will publish anything you tell them.

As long as it doesn't involve monsters, aliens from space, or Area 51.

Posted by: Captain Doctor Evian Major Seargent, OBE, GYN, DD, DDSc at September 16, 2013 02:52 PM (e7v3y)

Go fuck yourself San Diego.

Posted by: Ron Burgandy at September 16, 2013 10:54 AM (+xmn4)

97 Apparently, all one needs to do is claim to be near the scene of a breaking news story and the news stenographers will publish anything you tell them. It's a performance piece.

Posted by: The Dumbest-Looking Person on scene who is every reporters source at September 16, 2013 10:55 AM (yETln)

98 >>>they are now reporting they ID'd Aaron Alexis using his fingerprints. He was arrested in Ft Worth for discharge of a firearm in 2010. So the narrative may have been discovered, gun culture!!!

See #66. You're late!

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 16, 2013 10:55 AM (AITON)

99

The fact the the (current) suspect is from Texas is the kind of profiling that the MSM *is* interested in.

Posted by: dan-O at September 16, 2013 10:55 AM (D0bIN)

100 One Bourbon, One Scotch and One Shooter - G. Thorogood and the Destroyers (1986)

Posted by: garrett at September 16, 2013 10:55 AM (KY+9m)

101 it may be tough to sell TX gun culture. Dude is most def not a white redneck

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 10:55 AM (zOTsN)

102 Ace,

Social media has made this tendency to say something....anything...even if it is incorrect even more pervasive.

It's a natural human desire to be "in-the-know," to be on the inside. Why the media can't control this with their multiple layers of fact-checking is beyond me.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 16, 2013 10:55 AM (gqgiP)

103 Black shooter? Well, that just destroys our narrative. Reclassifying as a Local Crime Story. Just workplace violence now. Sorry to have disturbed you.

Posted by: The MSM at September 16, 2013 10:55 AM (7ObY1)

104 fingerprinted? dead or alive?

Posted by: willow at September 16, 2013 10:55 AM (nqBYe)

105

they are now reporting they ID'd Aaron Alexis using his fingerprints. He was arrested in Ft Worth for discharge of a firearm in 2010. So the narrative may have been discovered, gun culture!!!
______

Must be a Democrat or him being a GOPer would have been in the initial description.

Posted by: meh at September 16, 2013 10:55 AM (W2qJe)

106 Seriously people. Do you think college athletes should be paid?

Posted by: Time magazine trying to change the subject. at September 16, 2013 10:55 AM (mETGQ)

107 79 One Shooter and one shooter only Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 02:52 PM (9Xc5j) ************* Where are you getting that? Supposedly they are still looking for the second black male shooter. In fact they have a more detailed description--so they could be getting that from other forms of info.

Posted by: tasker at September 16, 2013 10:55 AM (r2PLg)

108 So are they still looking for the beret guy?

Posted by: CDR M at September 16, 2013 10:55 AM (Mv/2X)

109 Shaking one's groove thing must be stopped. Before it kills again.

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 16, 2013 10:56 AM (8sCoq)

110 Loaded with high-capacity magazine banana clips full of 'cop-killer' bullet cartridges.

With the optional double-barreled over/under 40mm grenade launcher AND the flame-thrower.

And, it was BLACK (possibly 'WHITE-Black'), and in the 40 megawatt range.

[Chuck Norris carries this as a sidearm...]

Posted by: Parker at September 16, 2013 02:54 PM (YkW3i)

you forgot the scary looking flash suppressor

Posted by: Red Shirt at September 16, 2013 10:56 AM (FIDMq)

111 65 Sam Burk Ã¾@SamuelBurk 1m Â“@DCPoliceDept: The white male in the tan outfit has been identified and is not a suspect or person of interest.Â” @BretBaier DAMMIT!!! Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at September 16, 2013 02:51 PM (W2qJe) Double damn!

Posted by: David Sirota (Bam!) at September 16, 2013 10:56 AM (X866z)

112 Odds that this is blamed on the Sequester? -- IOW, we must keep up unsustainable govt spending and growth or ... the shooterz will come.

Posted by: Lady in Black at September 16, 2013 10:57 AM (LhMGc)

113 There's a black "Aaron Alexis" on Google image search who looks UTTERLY FABULOUS in fuzzy kitty-cat ears.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 16, 2013 10:57 AM (AITON)

114 Bad reporter .Bad!

::Swat::

Posted by: eleven at September 16, 2013 10:57 AM (KXm42)

115 Whew!! Looks like I dodged this one.. Not getting the blame.. Yet!

Posted by: Some Puerto Rican guy at September 16, 2013 10:57 AM (k1X3E)

116 One Shooter and one shooter only Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 02:52 PM (9Xc5j) ************* Where are you getting that? Supposedly they are still looking for the second black male shooter. In fact they have a more detailed description--so they could be getting that from other forms of info. Posted by: tasker at September 16, 2013 02:55 PM (r2PLg) No- That is just what I thought from the beginning. The reports of 2 or 3 gunmen never rang true with me. Especially with the bogus Uniform stuff

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 10:57 AM (9Xc5j)

117 89 BTW, I'll repeat what I said in an earlier thread: one shooter. It's always one shooter, and it's always initially reported as multiples. Posted by: Jeff B. at September 16, 2013 02:54 PM (AITON) ************* You do get --that would be a stupid assumption to make if you were the police, etc.

Posted by: tasker at September 16, 2013 10:57 AM (r2PLg)

118 Thank God we have real Senate-approved journalists who will tell us only information responsibly sourced with layers of fact-checking.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 16, 2013 10:57 AM (T0NGe)

119 108 So are they still looking for the beret guy?

Posted by: CDR M at September 16, 2013 02:55 PM (Mv/2X)

No, the black guy dressed in green (assuming there really is one).

Posted by: joncelli at September 16, 2013 10:57 AM (RD7QR)

120 -
The overnight break in at ACME Sports Card Shop which left the cash register empty and merchandise scattered on the floor now has a suspect. Our source, close to the investigation, says the police are on the lookout for a man named Rollie Fingers.

Posted by: NBC at September 16, 2013 10:57 AM (8GKDa)

121 114 Bad reporter .Bad!

::Swat::

Posted by: eleven at September 16, 2013 02:57 PM (KXm42)

by the dept of ed?

Posted by: willow at September 16, 2013 10:57 AM (nqBYe)

122 Someone forgot to tell this guy that AR-15's aren't legal in DC. Maybe they should post some signs, it would of kept the whole thing from happening.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at September 16, 2013 10:58 AM (HEa5q)

123 what was he a contractor for?

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 02:53 PM (zOTsN)

Navy Dentist

Posted by: wrg500 at September 16, 2013 10:58 AM (kPeSM)

124 No- That is just what I thought from the beginning. The reports of 2 or 3 gunmen never rang true with me. Especially with the bogus Uniform stuff Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 02:57 PM (9Xc5j) ************* Okay got ya. The increased detail about the second shooter is a "development". How did that happen? Could be--they have info from other sources other than eye witnesses.

Posted by: tasker at September 16, 2013 10:58 AM (r2PLg)

125 Is this Aaron Alexis in question: http://www.bustedmugshots.com/texas/fort-worth/aaron-alexis/45611151

Posted by: Baldy at September 16, 2013 10:58 AM (tyDFN)

126 The fact the the (current) suspect is from Texas is the kind of profiling that the MSM *is* interested in.

Posted by: dan-O at September 16, 2013 02:55 PM (D0bIN)

Funny how that didn't enter into the conversation after Fort Hood.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 16, 2013 10:58 AM (4df7R)

127 What I don't get is this: if there are supposedly two gunmen still "at large", why have the Braves and Nationals players been given approval to head to Nationals stadium just a couple of blocks away? Are the authorities really going to hold a baseball game in a packed stadium with two shooters "at large"? Something isn't adding up here...

Posted by: William at September 16, 2013 10:58 AM (w6VLB)

128 The fact the the (current) suspect is from Texas is the kind of profiling that the MSM *is* interested in.

Especially with the Rick Perry ads running on Maryland radio now reminding businesses that the whole Martin O'Malley taxing rainfall thing actually did happen, but it's OK to escape.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 16, 2013 10:58 AM (B/VB5)

129

beret guy cleared, prolly running to help

dead shooter may be a guy named Aaron Alexis, who was arrested and fingerprinted in 2010 for discharging his firearm. Cops today ran dead guys prints and they allegedly came up as Aaron Alexis' prints. Allegedly. Not a white redneck. Narrative will be difficult, but it will give the JEF an excuse to beat Texas round the head

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 10:58 AM (zOTsN)

130 We need again to revisit gun legislation since this shooter is assuredly a Citizen-via-Texas as reported by NBC.

Posted by: David Brooks' Creased Pants at September 16, 2013 10:58 AM (eHIJJ)

131 MSM broken news.The MSM taking full responsibility for misreporting error as fact -- like Hillary and Obama each took full responsibility for not being accountable for the Benghazi Consulate attack, proven since to have been related to US smuggling chemical weapons into Syria to supply al-Qaeda. The Squirrel! Video was to blame. That illustrates what "means" means when Obama says: "We will do everything within our power* so that whoever carried out this cowardly act is held responsible. ...and promise to get to the bottom of this ... and do everything that we can to try to prevent* it." Blame someone who is innocent of the crime. *Disarm the law abiding American citizenry. Two birds with one Obama "win win" stone.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 16, 2013 10:59 AM (MhA4j)

132 Suspect has dark skin, chewy caramel center. Goes by the name Rolo Minis. Possibly wearing gold foil or a bag-like "hoodie" covering. Last seen rolling with friends.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 16, 2013 10:59 AM (ZPrif)

133 Pic of alleged perp: http://tinyurl.com/nqq94ck

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 16, 2013 10:59 AM (bCEmE)

134 journalists ;ok we got it wrong folks.
it wasn't a black guy in khaki
it was a white guy in black clothing
and someone wore a beret.
it might be more than 1 guy, it might be a woman and a small monkey.
but otherwise we got it now.

Posted by: willow at September 16, 2013 10:59 AM (nqBYe)

135 And at the end of the day, what will happen? Will the network pay a price, be it ethical, legal, or financial?

Of course not.

Did they when they outright lied about the Zimmerman 911 call, or the ever-lovely and fucking absurd "white Hispanic"? So why do we think anything will happen here?

Maybe we need to play the same game, and start accusing the Left of some truly heinous crimes -- Searchlight Strangler Reid, for one.

No, we need to make the Media fucking afraid to play games. They can either do their jobs, with due diligence, or they can be shamed, sued, or ridiculed into oblivion.

Time to bring back shame and accountability. They've been deeply missed since Teh Won took office ...

Posted by: acethepug at September 16, 2013 10:59 AM (RpQpx)

136 you forgot the scary looking flash suppressor

Posted by: Red Shirt at September 16, 2013 02:56 PM (FIDMq)

============

No, that was in there - 'flash-suppressed'

Posted by: Parker at September 16, 2013 10:59 AM (YkW3i)

137 Coming retractions:

It wasn't the Navy Yard, it was a Long John Silver

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 16, 2013 10:59 AM (8sCoq)

138 120 Funny.

Posted by: steevy at September 16, 2013 10:59 AM (9XBK2)

139 So the media will blame Texas gun culture, right?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 16, 2013 11:00 AM (ZPrif)

140 >>>You do get --that would be a stupid assumption to make if you were the police, etc.

Oh yeah, no criticism of LE intended -- they damn well better make sure -- but I'm just saying...even in situations where it's a Muslim terrorist, it's gonna be a lone wacko. That's just how mass shootings work. Columbine was unique precisely because of the folie a deux nature of those two kids' madness.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 16, 2013 11:00 AM (AITON)

141

BTW, I'll repeat what I said in an earlier thread: one shooter. It's always one shooter, and it's always initially reported as multiples.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 16, 2013 02:54 PM (AITON)

Except when its not.

Posted by: polynikes at September 16, 2013 11:00 AM (m2CN7)

142 what was he a contractor for?Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 02:53 PM (zOTsN)Navy Dentist Posted by: wrg500 at September 16, 2013 02:58 PM (kPeSM) thanks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 11:00 AM (9Xc5j)

143 narrative will now be how Texas lax gun laws allowed AA to transport guns to DC and commit murder

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 11:00 AM (zOTsN)

144 Per a source in my head, wife beatings spike on Superbowl Sunday.

Posted by: Scoop Juicebox at September 16, 2013 11:01 AM (KXm42)

145 Not a white redneck. Narrative will be difficult, but it will give the JEF an excuse to beat Texas round the head

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 02:58 PM (zOTsN)

Who needs a narrative? That black ex cop who went on a shooting spree was getting cheered on by the left. Modern day Django and all that.

Posted by: Heralder at September 16, 2013 11:01 AM (+xmn4)

146 There is a mugshot of a guy named Aaron Alexis who was arrested in Ft Worth in 2010 when he was 31. The charge was illegal discharge of a firearm. He is also black and bald. http://tinyurl.com/nqq94ck

Posted by: JackStraw at September 16, 2013 11:01 AM (g1DWB)

147 anyway i'm glad it wasn't Cady or Rollo, both looked like nice men.

Posted by: willow at September 16, 2013 11:01 AM (nqBYe)

148 Wouldn't it be interesting if the shooter was Aaron Alexis Lopez, a black/Hispanic ex-con from Fort Worth?

Posted by: jwest at September 16, 2013 11:01 AM (u2a4R)

149 Okay, I'm confused. Is the shooter Rollie Fingers or Prince?

Posted by: Mr. Dave at September 16, 2013 11:02 AM (IX2Pd)

150 130. Obama's Holder will press to pardon Hasan, since "really" a Texas gun owner MUST have been to blame for the Ft. Hood massacre of Americans. "Credible new evidence" based on fabricated stories that never let truth get in the way of the crisis agenda.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 16, 2013 11:02 AM (MhA4j)

151

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 03:00 PM (9Xc5j)

Posted by: wrg500 at September 16, 2013 11:02 AM (xZ8Ay)

152 "BTW, I'll repeat what I said in an earlier thread: one shooter. It's always one shooter, and it's always initially reported as multiples. Posted by: Jeff B. at September 16, 2013 02:54 PM"

One shooter, Vasily...one shooter only.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 16, 2013 11:02 AM (knoK7)

153 what was he a contractor for?Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 02:53 PM (zOTsN)Navy Dentist
Posted by: wrg500 at September 16, 2013 02:58 PM (kPeSM)

thanks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 03:00 PM (9Xc5j)

looks sideways at nevergiveup.

where were you during ...

Posted by: willow at September 16, 2013 11:03 AM (nqBYe)

154 Better yet would be an illegal alien....oh man would this story get dropped right quick

Posted by: Red Shirt at September 16, 2013 11:03 AM (FIDMq)

155 Cretin watching from his polar redoubt, his Fortress of Solitude: "If you're able to do so, pity them."

You misspelled "piss".

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 16, 2013 11:03 AM (eHIJJ)

156

If its Aaron Alexis in the mugshot, narrative will be a challenge.

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 11:03 AM (zOTsN)

157 >>>Except when its not.

To be sure there are no hard and fast rules about these sorts of things. But there are overwhelming likelihoods on the basis of empirical evidence.

Could this be a multiple-shooter event? Yeah, sure, despite my prediction above (and earlier) I obviously can't rule it out. But I wouldn't bet it that way. Now maybe I'd lose my shirt this time on that bet. But it would still be the smart way to bet it, and a bet anyone would take.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 16, 2013 11:03 AM (AITON)

158 This is a media that WANTS shootings to occur. It NEEDS them to advance their narrative.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at September 16, 2013 11:03 AM (PH+2B)

159 My guess is that a newsreader was listening to the police scanner, heard "we've found a ID on the floor for such and such, let's run the name" and... they ran with the name.

Posted by: Phelps at September 16, 2013 11:04 AM (lgi3G)

160 Mugshot of AN Aaron Alexis of ft. Worth who is approximately the right age.

http://tinyurl.com/lqluuox

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 16, 2013 11:04 AM (Hx5uv)

161 Wasn't someone saying just last week that the JEF need a mass shooting?

Posted by: wrg500 at September 16, 2013 11:05 AM (xZ8Ay)

162 please God I don't ask for much but let those guns be part of fast and furious.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at September 16, 2013 11:05 AM (HEa5q)

163

Our background check system is broken. If this Aaron Alexis is indeed the one with a previous firearms violation, heads should be rolling. WTF over?

Posted by: CDR M at September 16, 2013 11:05 AM (JSetw)

164 anybody facebook check the Ft Worth Aaron Alexis. I couldn't find anything

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 11:06 AM (zOTsN)

165 Dang! If Barri had a son.......

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at September 16, 2013 11:06 AM (l3vZN)

166 I expect NBC to name me as the Navy Yard shooter at any moment...

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 16, 2013 11:06 AM (8sCoq)

167 158 Sarah Silverman and the others in the "Black NRA" video will be shocked when they hear about this.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at September 16, 2013 03:03 PM (tWmgi)

They forced him!

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 16, 2013 11:06 AM (AWmfW)

168

If its Aaron Alexis in the mugshot, narrative will be a challenge.

_________________

Nah. Doin' it for Trayvon!

Posted by: meh at September 16, 2013 11:07 AM (W2qJe)

169 That Sarah Silverman is one stupid bint.

Posted by: steevy at September 16, 2013 11:07 AM (9XBK2)

170
This is hours after it happened, but the female chief of police, for this country's capital city, is that misinformed.

Posted by: jwest at September 16, 2013 02:49 PM

Yeah, but she's got bigger stars on her shoulders than Eisenhower.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at September 16, 2013 02:51 PM (6xhLc)

A variation of the Sukhomlinov Effect no doubt...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 16, 2013 11:08 AM (TIIx5)

171

Nah. Doin' it for Trayvon!

Posted by: meh at September 16, 2013 03:07 PM (W2qJe)

Was he wearing a hoodie?

Posted by: CDR M at September 16, 2013 11:08 AM (Mv/2X)

172 I expect NBC to name me as the Navy Yard shooter at any moment.

They just ran a picture of Wicket and named "Ace of Clubs" as the second shooter.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 16, 2013 11:08 AM (B/VB5)

173

ok. The one other guy, older black guy with grey sideburns and a "long gun", they are still looking for him. Could be a responder

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 11:08 AM (zOTsN)

174 165 Our background check system is broken. If this Aaron Alexis is indeed the one with a previous firearms violation, heads should be rolling. WTF over?

Posted by: CDR M at September 16, 2013 03:05 PM (JSetw)

Isn't there new rules prohibiting background checks?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 16, 2013 11:08 AM (AWmfW)

175

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 16, 2013 03:03 PM (AITON)

I agree just as I agree that most serial killers are white middle aged men and most homicides of a spouse are committed by the the other spouse. I will be very happy if this turns out to be a lone gun man, which you correctly point out is the safe bet.

Posted by: polynikes at September 16, 2013 11:09 AM (m2CN7)

176 If this is the same Aaron Alexis from Ft Worth, I somehow doubt he was a contractor at the Navy Yard in DC. Sounds unlikely to me that they would allow a guy with a weapons conviction to be a military contractor.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 16, 2013 11:09 AM (g1DWB)

177 The lengths gun confiscation Statists go to sell their lies. Fast and Furious ... Blame Texas for Hasan's Ft. Hood terrorism. Sept. 13 legal gun carrying US citizens (including a veteran in his wheel chair) arrested without cause outside the TX Capitol Bldg. Blame Texas for the D.C. Navy Yard shootings.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 16, 2013 11:10 AM (MhA4j)

178 Our background check system is broken. If this Aaron Alexis is indeed the one with a previous firearms violation, heads should be rolling. WTF over? Posted by: CDR M at September 16, 2013 03:05 PM (JSetw) 2 Names: Manning & Snowden

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 11:10 AM (9Xc5j)

179 So this really was an ungruntled dis'd employee with a grudge to settle? Federal hiring practices to blame? Federal abuse of employees? Lack of back ground check? Failure to properly counsel employees about their career options?

Is it the Pentagon who has administrative oversight? Where's congress? When will congressional hearings commence?

When will someone do something to prevent these senseless needless tragedies for the children?

Posted by: Captain Doctor Evian Major Seargent, OBE, GYN, DD, DDSc at September 16, 2013 11:10 AM (e7v3y)

180 Sounds unlikely to me that they would allow a guy with a weapons conviction to be a military contractor.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 16, 2013 03:09 PM (g1DWB)

Agreed. However, he might've been doing some other job on the base such as janitor, landscaping, etc.

Posted by: CDR M at September 16, 2013 11:11 AM (JSetw)

181 I forgot to add that my response to you Jeff B was because you used the word 'always three times' . I would agree otherwise.

Posted by: polynikes at September 16, 2013 11:11 AM (m2CN7)

182 this just about sums it all up. ...what important is figuring out who's fault this is. South Park

Posted by: Alex at September 16, 2013 11:11 AM (8p/Pr)

183

The first thing I thought when I heard an I.D. had been found was that someone dropped it in their panic to run. How many purses, wallets, lunch bags, briefcases, and the like are lying all over the place? My guess is "lots".

The media has gone full Biden again.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Vexations and Peevishness to Go! at September 16, 2013 11:12 AM (hLRSq)

184 Maybe that was why he was let go. Background check caught up with him.

Posted by: polynikes at September 16, 2013 11:12 AM (m2CN7)

185 Agreed. However, he might've been doing some other job on the base such as janitor, landscaping, etc. Posted by: CDR M at September 16, 2013 03:11 PM (JSetw) Domino Pizza delivery man?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 11:12 AM (9Xc5j)

186 http://goo.gl/981pKF

Posted by: Alex at September 16, 2013 11:12 AM (8p/Pr)

187 Chickens shut down US Senate , Nationals game is cancelled. How many shootings happen in DC everyday? Yet they tell us this is not terrorism?

Posted by: Baldy at September 16, 2013 11:12 AM (tyDFN)

188 Posted by: JackStraw at September 16, 2013 03:09 PM (g1DWB)

There are contracts on bases/posts for everything under the sun. While "military contractor" has been presented to mean "OhNoesBlackwaterKillers" or "OhNoesGreedyCorporation" in the MSM, many of the basic, day-to-day services like landscape maintenance, food services, etc. are now contracted out.

Posted by: Country Singer at September 16, 2013 11:13 AM (L8r/r)

189 my guess? Dude moved to DC. Got hired on janitorial staff or some low level job that would give him access to offices to clean them. they finished their background check and canned him for lying about his record. He goes postal

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 11:13 AM (zOTsN)

190 >>Agreed. However, he might've been doing some other job on the base such as janitor, landscaping, etc. Doesn't this attack sound a bit extreme for a disgruntled landscaper or janitor? Not being sarcastic.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 16, 2013 11:13 AM (g1DWB)

191 Domino Pizza delivery man?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 03:12 PM (9Xc5j)

Maybe he was there trying to sign up folks for Obamacare. When he was repeatedly laughed at, he went postal.

Posted by: CDR M at September 16, 2013 11:13 AM (Mv/2X)

192 Doesn't this attack sound a bit extreme for a disgruntled landscaper or janitor? Not being sarcastic.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 16, 2013 03:13 PM (g1DWB)

Unless it was a case of hate whitey.

Posted by: polynikes at September 16, 2013 11:14 AM (m2CN7)

193 NGU, Heh. At one base in Germany, Baumholder, the local German delivery joints had special ID's so they could come and go as they pleased. Schnitzel guy who also delivered cases of beer was a post VIP.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 16, 2013 11:15 AM (ZshNr)

194 Unless it was a case of hate whitey.

Posted by: polynikes

gotta admit I thought the same thing. Wondering about the race of the vics. Love this post racial administration.

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 11:16 AM (zOTsN)

195 NGU, Heh. At one base in Germany, Baumholder, the local German delivery joints had special ID's so they could come and go as they pleased. Schnitzel guy who also delivered cases of beer was a post VIP. Posted by: Lincolntf at September 16, 2013 03:15 PM (ZshNr) I know. I wasn't kidding.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 11:16 AM (9Xc5j)

196 185. That was the first explanation I read from the source online I was linked to on the Navy Yard. Another possibility as likely as losing your ID when in a panic, is that the ID (duplicate or real) was a Squirrel! dropping. Great distraction during the critical moments of first reports getting broadcast.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 16, 2013 11:17 AM (MhA4j)

197 Blame Texas for the D.C. Navy Yard shootings. Posted by: panzernashorn at September 16, 2013 03:10 PM (MhA4j) My bet is they'll try to put it on Virginia.

Posted by: RWC at September 16, 2013 11:17 AM (fWAjv)

198 Oh, even better.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 16, 2013 11:17 AM (ZshNr)

199 Base pizza delivery was how the Ft Dix six were going to do their terrorism

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 11:17 AM (zOTsN)

200 NBC News: Dead Naval Yard Shooter Is 34-Year-Old From Texas, Used ID of Man Who Once Worked At Facility Â– Update: Identified As Aaron AlexisÂ… Hey for other Military Types here: Truthfully, how often does the MA/MP/Civilian DOD Cop at front gate really really look at your ID?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 11:19 AM (9Xc5j)

201 My bet is they'll try to put it on Virginia. Yep. If they ever manage to outlaw gun sales in all 48 lower states they'll blame it on Mexico. All those guns down there flowing north. Given how much Canada is involved in the drug trade I imagine it'd be a gun hotspot too.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 16, 2013 11:19 AM (yETln)

202 As a result of the incident, the Navy has issued an "Order to Account" for all Navy uniformed personnel, both active duty and selected Reserve, assigned to commands in the D.C. metro area. The order also applies to family members, Navy civilian employees, as well as, NAF and NEX personnel. Personnel muster through the Navy Family Accountability and Assessment System (NFAAS). To muster, visit the NFAAS website at https://navyfamily.navy.mil.

Posted by: Baldy at September 16, 2013 11:20 AM (tyDFN)

203

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 03:19 PM (9Xc5j)

Every time I go through here in Norfolk.

Posted by: CDR M at September 16, 2013 11:21 AM (BuYeH)

204

who's ID did he use and how did he get it? What was his beef? If he had to use someone else's ID doesn't sound like he worked there. Wasn't his workplace

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 11:21 AM (zOTsN)

205 Personnel muster through the Navy Family Accountability and Assessment System (NFAAS). To muster, visit the NFAAS website at https://navyfamily.navy.mil. Posted by: Baldy at September 16, 2013 03:20 PM (tyDFN) Ya mean if it is up and running and you can get on?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 11:21 AM (9Xc5j)

206 Every time I go through here in Norfolk. Posted by: CDR M at September 16, 2013 03:21 PM (BuYeH) Really look? I mean 1/2 the time I have baseball type cap on with sunglasses. Just saying

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 11:22 AM (9Xc5j)

207 Love this post racial administration. Posted by: thunderb Wondering about the race of the vics? Obama ties them to a post for his exceptionally bitter American lashing.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 16, 2013 11:23 AM (MhA4j)

208 Magnum DDS

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 16, 2013 11:23 AM (ZshNr)

209 ohhhh now they will say he used Rollie Chance's ID to get on base! Wrong but right!

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 11:23 AM (zOTsN)

210 Hey for other Military Types here: Truthfully, how often does the MA/MP/Civilian DOD Cop at front gate really really look at your ID? I did that job as a civilian contractor! We had "secret shopper" types that would try to sneak by with wacky names or something else wrong with their ID. We had instructions to look for ten seconds. Time that out, it's a while. The rules changed all the time too. Some people double laminated their card to keep it looking good. So for a little while, that was forbidden. Then all of a sudden it wasn't. The rules of sponsoring people onto base changed all the time. Sometimes you had to have two IDs, sometimes one. Sometimes it had to be specific types. The biggest problem was insurance. People had to prove insurance on their vehicle to get a temp pass. You'd be surprised how many people mistake a Insurance phone number card as "proof of insurance". We didn't have a fax machine (stupidly) so people would have to go find one to print proof of insurance.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 16, 2013 11:24 AM (yETln)

211 My bet is they'll try to put it on Virginia. --Yes, Virginia. There really is a Santa Claus.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 16, 2013 11:24 AM (MhA4j)

212 211 ohhhh now they will say he used Rollie Chance's ID to get on base! Wrong but right!

Posted by: thunderb at September 16, 2013 03:23 PM (zOTsN)

Can he been killed and robbed of his ID?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 16, 2013 11:26 AM (AWmfW)

213 We really did look carefully. One problem I ran into was the printing on CAC cards sometimes sucked. So people's faces would rub off or there would be a stripe of mis-printing down the card. So we had to call in to verify them and check a couple other IDs.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 16, 2013 11:26 AM (yETln)

214

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 03:22 PM (9Xc5j)

Well they check me out because I fit the bill according to the SPLC.

Posted by: CDR M at September 16, 2013 11:28 AM (Mv/2X)

215 Hard to have 2 shooters with the same motive in these situations. Because if you are with someone like that and you both have a gun it's best to shoot him first. He's your biggest threat when no one else will have a gun legally.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at September 16, 2013 11:29 AM (71LDo)

216 My bet is they'll try to put it on Virginia. Posted by: RWC at September 16, 2013 03:17 PM (fWAjv) Anyone BUT Obama's administration. It was ultra elitist John Kerry along with Joe Biden who kept going on and on in their foot-in-mouth crowd-pleaser events that "no one joins the military except for losers" /which in Kerry's case is his own unintended confession. Obama "inherited" malcontents. But no one has so blatantly perverted the interpretation of American Exceptionalism to deny the US Constitution outright as Obama has. An hour or so ago, I wondered if Obama's incredible intel was going to pin the Navy Yard shootings on a Syrian.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 16, 2013 11:31 AM (MhA4j)

217 Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 03:21 PM (9Xc5j) ---- I don't know what that means. I just posted what seemed interesting, though may be normal for these types of events (mass deaths involving military)

Posted by: Baldy at September 16, 2013 11:32 AM (tyDFN)

218 Well they check me out because I fit the bill according to the SPLC. Posted by: CDR M at September 16, 2013 03:28 PM (Mv/2X) I actually have not gone thru the gate at Sewell's point in a while since the Dental/Medical Clinics are outside the gate and so is the Uniform Store and the Commissary/Exchange. Portsmouth does look pretty close

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2013 11:33 AM (9Xc5j)

219 Guys, lighten up on the criticism of so-called reporting. The entire press corps is outside of my office on M Street awaiting information drops from some PR flak from the Navy or DC Cops. They have been there all day. Its fun to watch them, especially the hot babes. BTW Greta Van Sustern is about 4'6" tall. She is a midget with a horrible overbite.

Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at September 16, 2013 11:47 AM (oDCMR)

220 LOL at the idiots on Democratic Underground who can't comprehend a black man shooting people... Never seemed to happen in this country until today, it appears.

Posted by: Baldy at September 16, 2013 11:49 AM (tyDFN)

221 Racists (black, white, whatever) don't shoot Naval installations. They shoot Holocaust Museum guards and random civilians. A Breivik type goes for political hacks. Maybe if they're in a criminal gang they shoot cops or judges too. Navy means terrorism against US targets. That means someone thinks he is at foreign war, not at civil war.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 16, 2013 11:58 AM (0m29n)

222 I am reminded of the State Department bombing-that-wasn't when you said how can you report on something that didn't happen.. hysteria happens, even in this age.

Posted by: VULaw2003 at September 16, 2013 12:00 PM (j6usx)

223 "An ID was found on the floor at the site of a rampage shooting and the conclusion is that the ID must have belonged to the shooter?"

NBC News reports that yellow stars were found at Auschwitz, leading our source to think the Jews were responsible....

Posted by: Mr. Happy at September 16, 2013 12:21 PM (4W61d)

224 "Confident." Not "confidant."

Posted by: Ray at September 16, 2013 02:08 PM (wO/bF)

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