June 19, 2013

Vince Flynn Dead at 47
— andy

Damn.

Minnesota author Vince Flynn has died after a long battle with prostate cancer.

WCCO-TV has learned that Flynn died Wednesday morning at United Hospital in St. Paul.

Flynn has authored 15 novels centered around the character of Mitch Rapp, an undercover CIA agent. The majority of those novels have made it to the New York Times bestseller list.


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1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 06:54 AM (/PCJa)

2 RIP Mr. Flynn.

Posted by: Mama AJ at June 19, 2013 06:54 AM (SUKHu)

3 Oh, crap!

Posted by: Lizzy at June 19, 2013 06:54 AM (gTXnI)

4 Sorry to hear ... RIP
Enjoyed his work.

Posted by: Paladin at June 19, 2013 06:54 AM (+Wvn3)

5 Prayers for his family. Also: F*ck Cancer.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 06:54 AM (/PCJa)

6

Moron, or just Friend of Rons?

Posted by: RightWingProf at June 19, 2013 06:55 AM (IC6Er)

7 Love your books Vince.  RIP and prayers for your family.

Posted by: Muad'dib at June 19, 2013 06:55 AM (KjlbF)

8 A sad day for readers of all stripes and a warning to people about getting the prostate check


RIP Vince, I will sure miss you and so will a lot of other Morons.

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 06:55 AM (lZvxr)

9 Heard him talk about his struggle with cancer on a local radio show. Great book and a strong man.

 RIP Vince

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 19, 2013 06:55 AM (81UWZ)

10 Godspeed Mr. Flynn.

Posted by: Penfold at June 19, 2013 06:55 AM (Fbt5B)

11 Damn. RIP Vince. Thoughts for the family.

Posted by: Scootercat at June 19, 2013 06:55 AM (QzWNc)

12 Oh crap that's horrible. Condolences to his family and friends.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 19, 2013 06:56 AM (VtjlW)

13

I'm in the middle of American Assassin   right now.

 

RIP, Vince   and prayers  for his family.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 19, 2013 06:56 AM (0HooB)

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at June 19, 2013 06:56 AM (8JJ6O)

15 Too many good people dying. 

Husband is currently reading Vince's "Kill Shot."

I was in the middle of "American Sniper" when Chris Kyle was killed.

Two damned good men gone.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 06:57 AM (lVPtV)

16 Ugh. Two authors from cancer this month (Iain M. Banks passed on the 9th). RIP, Mr. Flynn.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, CEO, Hodorburton at June 19, 2013 06:57 AM (zUi7I)

17 He was a friend of mine at school.  Damn.  I didn't even know he was sick.  Real good guy. 

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 19, 2013 06:58 AM (32Ze2)

18

Mitch. Rapp.

 

Pretty studly name

Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 19, 2013 06:58 AM (5RUlF)

19 So sad. I just started reading this series and love the Rapp character. RIP Flynn and prayers for you and your family.

Posted by: CA Token at June 19, 2013 06:58 AM (pIgz0)

20 Also: F*ck Cancer.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 10:54 AM (/PCJa




A thousand times ^^this^^.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 06:58 AM (lVPtV)

21 RIP

Posted by: eman at June 19, 2013 06:58 AM (AO9UG)

22 Terrible news. Prayers for you and yours, Vince Flynn. Godspeed.

Posted by: sinalco at June 19, 2013 06:59 AM (zDJDu)

23 jane i have "American Sniper" haven't read it yet...every time i go to pick it up....i want to cry.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at June 19, 2013 06:59 AM (8JJ6O)

24 I was in the middle of "American Sniper" when Chris Kyle was killed. Speaking of Rage Inducing: have we already shat upon Jesse Ventura for suing Chris Kyle's wife for libel?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 06:59 AM (/PCJa)

25 Oh no. Prayers for his family.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 19, 2013 06:59 AM (r+7wo)

26 23 jane

i have "American Sniper" haven't read it yet...every time i go to pick it up....i want to cry.....



You need to read it.  It's excellent.  After my husband finished it, we sent it to our son.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 07:00 AM (lVPtV)

27 RIP Vince

I am Very Sorry to hear this, so young and talented

Posted by: Jackj at June 19, 2013 07:00 AM (4WesI)

28 A fine writer and an even better man. Already miss him.

Posted by: Dr-Robert at June 19, 2013 07:00 AM (uVXn1)

29 I don't trust new threads anymore...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 07:00 AM (aDwsi)

30 I'm in the middle of American Assassin right now. RIP, Vince and prayers for his family. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 19, 2013 10:56 AM (0HooB) Didn't someone comment that American Assassin felt rushed? This would explain why. Ugh. Two authors from cancer this month (Iain M. Banks passed on the 9th). RIP, Mr. Flynn. Posted by: Brother Cavil, CEO, Hodorburton at June 19, 2013 10:57 AM (zUi7I) What the hell, I missed that. Fuck cancer.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 19, 2013 07:00 AM (VtjlW)

31 You need to read it. It's excellent. After my husband finished it, we sent it to our son. Kyle has another book coming out: "American Gun." Apparently was in final stages of editing when he was murdered.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 07:00 AM (/PCJa)

32 Aw gee.  The best part of his novels was his pitch perfect characterizations of the DC weasels.  You could just see Nancy, Dingy, and the rest of the ilk in your minds eye.  I'll miss him.

Posted by: Rib at June 19, 2013 07:00 AM (mLnwx)

33 I had  no idea he was sick either. Terrible news

Posted by: Jackj at June 19, 2013 07:01 AM (4WesI)

34 OT, but John Stossel is still mad about the Vietnam war?


Jeez...let it go.  Be mad about the new Syrian "kinetic action".

Posted by: EC at June 19, 2013 07:01 AM (GQ8sn)

35 Jane, your friend is in my prayers.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 19, 2013 07:01 AM (VtjlW)

36 He was a staunch conservative, as well.  He and Brad Thor, two of my favorite writers.

In the meanwhile, old useless lib hags like Babwa Wawa go on breathing.

Sorry, I'm incredibly sad over bad news this morning and in a mood.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 07:01 AM (lVPtV)

37 Jane D'oh-- Have you read "No Easy Day". It has my stamp of approval.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 07:01 AM (aDwsi)

38 Fudge.

I love his books. They are working to make American Assassin into a movie

Posted by: Jay in PA at June 19, 2013 07:02 AM (LAOkk)

39 35 Jane, your friend is in my prayers.



Thanks, AtC.  I know miracles happen, but I'm afraid my BFF is losing her battle.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 07:02 AM (lVPtV)

40 They are working to make American Assassin into a movie Well, now I hope the S-can it. Without him there to say, "No, that's not the story I wrote," it'll become just another "Hate America" piece.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 07:03 AM (/PCJa)

41 I love his books. They are working to make American Assassin into a movie Hope to God someone's riding them hard to get it done right, not like what happened with "Shooter"...or whatever the blazes it was...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, CEO, Hodorburton at June 19, 2013 07:03 AM (zUi7I)

42

His books got me through many long flights.  RIP.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 19, 2013 07:04 AM (1/RiT)

43 15 Novels at 47years...I'll be 43 in November and haven't written so much a thank you card. You know the cliche' "Only the Good..."




And yes, I need to get to the doctor for my first ever head to toe check up. my has been hounding me for two years...its time.


Posted by: dananjcon at June 19, 2013 07:04 AM (jvd3N)

44 I read somewhere that "American Sniper" will be made into a movie by Spielberg, starring Bradley Cooper as Chris Kyle.

Just. No.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 07:04 AM (lVPtV)

45 Oh, man. I'm sorry in a selfish way because I always look forward to the next Mitch Rapp book. May God rest his soul.

Posted by: mikeyboss at June 19, 2013 07:04 AM (nz7x+)

46

Didn't someone comment that American Assassin felt rushed? This would explain why.

 

Yup, on the Sunday Book Thread. IIRC, Flynn mentioned his   fight against cancer in a Beck interview several years ago.

 

And Jane, prayers to your friend. I lost  one of my best buds to cancer two years ago. It does suck.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 19, 2013 07:05 AM (0HooB)

47 If you scroll the show clips on the right side of this link

http://www.1500espn.com/shows/garagelogic

You will find an interview from the release of "The Last Man"

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 19, 2013 07:05 AM (81UWZ)

48 yep, cancer sucks.... fil is battling it right now...he's deciding if he's going to begin his second round of chemo....the first round seemed to work but was so painful he's not all in for the 2nd.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at June 19, 2013 07:05 AM (8JJ6O)

49 Yeah. Damn.

Posted by: John W. at June 19, 2013 07:05 AM (xoSgg)

50 He mentioned in the forward of one of his books that he was battling prostate cancer.

I assumed he was okay now.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 07:06 AM (lVPtV)

51 I read somewhere that "American Sniper" will be made into a movie by Spielberg, starring Bradley Cooper as Chris Kyle. Oh, geez. Any bets every fifth or sixth scene will be (yet another) flashback to his first ever sniper-shot? (Not going into detail for those who haven't yet read the book).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 07:07 AM (/PCJa)

52 Man, I just finished Term Limits and was looking forward to many more books from him. Sad.

Posted by: Mainah at June 19, 2013 07:07 AM (659DL)

53 Sad. Was hoping he'd be one of the few to beat it.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 19, 2013 07:07 AM (ZKzrr)

54 Here is what he posted on FB back in March:

Many of you have emailed me, messaged me on Facebook, posted on my Facebook page and tweeted about the similarities between the new movie Olympus Has Fallen and my book Transfer of Power. My team and I have noticed the similarities as well and know of a second movie coming out this summer also about an attack on the White House. Neither of these movies are Mitch Rapp movies nor do I have any involvement in either project.

It is very difficult to prove where a producer, director or screenwriter gets an idea, or to prove how their ideas may have been inspired. It is exceptionally difficult to prove in court, costs lots of time and money and usually amounts to a great deal of frustration. My team and I have decided to stay focused on the Rapp Franchise-writing one great Rapp novel a year and getting American Assassin made into a movie.

With Bruce Willis signed and on board to play the surly Stan Hurley, a character that I created with him in mind, things are looking good for a fall shoot.  Things will start to move quickly in the coming months as Rapp, Kennedy, Stansfield and others are cast.  It will be a very exciting time. 

I appreciate you looking out for me, and your concern for my intellectual material.  In many ways your comments have allowed me to stay calm and focus on what I love most, which is writing a kick ass Rapp novel.  For that I offer you my sincere thanks.

Posted by: Jay in PA at June 19, 2013 07:07 AM (LAOkk)

55 yep, cancer sucks.... fil is battling it right now...he's deciding if he's going to begin his second round of chemo....the first round seemed to work but was so painful he's not all in for the 2nd..... That sucks. A good friend of our family chose not to undergo a 2nd round of chemo (radiation? I can't remember which) when he had lung cancer years ago.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 07:08 AM (/PCJa)

56 #15 Jane, maybe you should read Dreams Of My Father next.

Posted by: Jaimo at June 19, 2013 07:09 AM (9U1OG)

57

Damn indeed.

Thanks for the heads-up.

RIP Vince.

Posted by: davisbr at June 19, 2013 07:10 AM (EuWFS)

58 Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at June 19, 2013 11:05 AM (8JJ6O)


I had a former Navy buddy who lived in OH who got it and it went to the bone before they caught it.  The doctors in OH would not even treat it.  He went to TX to a special clinic where they tried surgery then returned to OH for chemo.  He did not make it 6 months.  Once it makes it to the bone it is virtual certainty that you are not going to make it.  But if you catch it early the cure rate is near 100%.


This is why those checks, though embarrassing and painful, are so important once you pass 40.

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 07:10 AM (lZvxr)

59 15 Novels at 47years...I'll be 43 in November and haven't written so much a thank you card. You know the cliche' "Only the Good..." Which reminds me- I need to finish mine (mostly a matter of editing and getting opinions), and shop it around to see if a "real" publisher will pick it up.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 07:10 AM (/PCJa)

60 34
OT, but John Stossel is still mad about the Vietnam war?


Jeez...let it go. Be mad about the new Syrian "kinetic action".

Posted by: EC at June 19, 2013 11:01 AM (GQ8sn)


Yeah, and "Banning gay marriage" is a crock, too. Objection to redefinition of language does not constitute a "ban."

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at June 19, 2013 07:11 AM (7xeJQ)

61 I'm reading Kill Shot right now.  I love Mitch Rapp.  RIP.

Posted by: Infidel at June 19, 2013 07:12 AM (O/fK8)

62 What's it about? It's a fantasy novel. The plot is fairly standard fantasy fare: evil entity from Beyond trying to blah, blah, blah. I'm hoping my take on things (nary an elf or dwarf in sight) will make it a little more interesting. Of course, that introduces its own obstacles. With elves and dwarves, you can just say "So-and-so was a dwarf with..." when you're fantasy races are completely non-human, it's harder. When your fantasy world isn't just another Middle Earth clone, it's harder to describe that, too.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 07:13 AM (/PCJa)

63 ...I don't trust new threads anymore... Posted by: Mike Hammer ---------------------------------------- Just a taste of whats to come, comrade. Won't just be posts disappearing at smart military blogs like this.

Posted by: The NSA, new and improved. at June 19, 2013 07:13 AM (4Mv1T)

64 RIP person I never heard of.

Posted by: Dr. eleven at June 19, 2013 07:14 AM (KXm42)

65 Speaking of... I need to follow up with my beta-readers. I have some people who have had the full first draft for a couple of months and haven't said anything. I'd be more worried, but these are family members I trust to tell me if it sucks.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 07:15 AM (/PCJa)

66 WTF?????

I was just looking at his web site a few weeks ago.  I thought he was kicking the cancer!  WTF????????????????/

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 19, 2013 07:15 AM (f9c2L)

67 I did know that he HAD prostate cancer but thought he had it whopped.  He was just a great guy.  Three little kids.  He suffered from dyslexia and always had a hard time in the classes we had together.  He DID enjoy hanging out with the guys and he loved life.  I always thought it funny that he turned into the accidental author.  I don't think he really planned it out.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 19, 2013 07:15 AM (32Ze2)

68 So did someone post a comment in the disappeared thread that required a contrived Nork missile strike?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 19, 2013 07:17 AM (4Mv1T)

69 My BFF's cancer came out of nowhere two years ago.  She was extremely healthy and fit, and suddenly had severe back pain, to the point she could barely walk.  Her husband got her to a doc, where they discovered she had lung cancer, which had spread to her spine (!) and tumors had fractured a disc.

She's undergone surgeries, chemo, radiation, you name it.  It really seemed like she'd beaten it.  And now she's learned this morning the tumors on her spine are back.  She's in extreme pain, and doesn't want visitors. 

Her husband has been a rock.  Her daughter and son-in-law are nearby (they're in the N. GA mountains) and her son is also not far away.

And yes, she did smoke briefly in her twenties.  Her mother died in her forties of lung cancer.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 07:17 AM (lVPtV)

70 DAMNIT. Aw bloody hell.

Posted by: Book at June 19, 2013 07:17 AM (y1BMK)

71 I had literally just finished telling a coworker who was looking for a new book to read to give the Mitch Rapp series a try. Then I load this page and see this headline.


Prayers go out to him and his family.

Posted by: aferalduck at June 19, 2013 07:18 AM (P7xkj)

72 RIP Vince. You must have had the aggressive version; I know I did. I'm seven years cancer free as I managed to catch it in time. Yes, I caught it; tho my surgeon likes to brag that he saved my life. It's true, good sir, you did.
 
More men get prostate cancer than women get breast cancer, yet the women get all the marches and press attention. Hey, I like boobehs too.
 
If you notice a change in your normal urinary pattern, hie thy ass to the doctor and ask for a digital exam and a PSA test. Don't put that shit off for 6 months cuz you're 'busy'.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 19, 2013 07:18 AM (ccXZP)

73 Thanks, AtC. I know miracles happen, but I'm afraid my BFF is losing her battle. Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 11:02 AM (lVPtV) You are in my prayers as well. I know exactly what it feels like to go through that. Fuck cancer.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 19, 2013 07:19 AM (VtjlW)

74


Prayers and condolences to the Flynn family and to his millions of fans around the world.  Such a sad, sad loss.

Posted by: Peaches at June 19, 2013 07:19 AM (8lmkt)

75

What a loss. I'd heard him many times on Beck's show, and have read several of his books. he was a class act.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Sgt. Scots Dragoons at June 19, 2013 07:19 AM (K+mtQ)

76 Are we ever going to get the disappeared thread back?

Posted by: waldo at June 19, 2013 07:20 AM (RZwdH)

77 If you keep talking about the disappeared thread this thread is going to get it too.  

Posted by: Beagle at June 19, 2013 07:20 AM (sOtz/)

78 Are we ever going to get the disappeared thread back? Posted by: waldo
----------------------

No. Keep complaining, and you may be next.

Posted by: NSA at June 19, 2013 07:21 AM (aDwsi)

79 Posted by: Jaimo at June 19, 2013 11:09 AM (9U1OG)

ISWYDT.  *applause*

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 19, 2013 07:21 AM (ZKzrr)

80 Jane- So sorry to hear of your friend. My best friend discovered cancer due to back pain when we were both 30. RIP.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 19, 2013 07:21 AM (4Mv1T)

81 I saw him on Beck's show when Beck was on Fox. He was an interesting man and a great storyteller. RIP.

Posted by: lauren w at June 19, 2013 07:22 AM (VSNEK)

82 I only heard of Vince through the HQ (yeah, sheltered life), and when I read my first Mitch Rapp book, I thought, this author gets it.
RIP Mr. Flynn, you will be missed.

Posted by: real joe at June 19, 2013 07:23 AM (ABXpz)

83 Sad news indeed. I loved his books. We have so few patriotic writers today.

Posted by: Liberty Lover at June 19, 2013 07:24 AM (Qhal3)

84 Brad Thor is another great guy like Vince.  One of the most down-to-earth people you'd ever want to meet, and a conservative.

Hope he lives a long, healthy, and happy life.  His book, "Full Black," is out in paperback now, and excellent.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 07:24 AM (lVPtV)

85 A single PSA blood test by itself is next to worthless is what my urologist (from Brooklyn said).  On those you need a trend and to look for a large jump in value.  He said the annual "digit test" was what was needed.


And do NOT wait for something to "show" it. By then it is already progressing.

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 07:24 AM (lZvxr)

86 My best friend discovered cancer due to back pain when we were both 30. Knew a guy at an old job who kept having pains in his leg. It kept moving around so everyone figured he was BS'ing to pull some LTD fraud and get easy money, but he insisted something was wrong. Good thing he did, too. The scans he eventually had done found a brain tumor. Still don't know if he pulled through. It was 50/50 and the place shut down not long after.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, CEO, Hodorburton at June 19, 2013 07:25 AM (zUi7I)

87 Sorry about your friend Jane.

Posted by: Dr. eleven at June 19, 2013 07:25 AM (KXm42)

88

I got to see him speak and briefly meet him at a book signing in New Orleans about three years ago.  His love  of country and respect for the men and women not only in our armed forces, but in our clandestine services was wonderful to see in  such a successful author.  Vince was a  true insider;  politicians, soldiers and intelligence personnel sought him out to tell him their stories and thank  him for treating them and their jobs with respect.

 

Most importantly, he was a husband and a father of three.  I can't imagine the hole he will leave in their lives.  Like Andrew Breitbart,  Vince was a giant in his field and he'll definitely be missed by anyone who considers themselves a patriot.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 19, 2013 07:25 AM (CJjw5)

89 Aren't our Betters in Barky's administration telling men to skip prostrate exams?

I remember some scrunt saying men don't need regular exams, or something.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 07:26 AM (lVPtV)

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 19, 2013 07:26 AM (MnSla)

91 Wow. That stinks. And I just bought his first few novels. RIP, Vince.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 19, 2013 07:27 AM (Su0W2)

92 93
Posted by: Joethefatman

-----

Joe -- Try to be more verbose.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 07:27 AM (aDwsi)

93 Yeah, a former co-worker's husband did not get his prostate cancer diagnosis in time. OTOH, I have three friends who have had it, but, theirs was found promptly, they got treatment, and are doing fine.  So all you Morons--get checked.  All you 'Ettes, nag your guys until they get checked.


So sorry to hear about Vince.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 07:28 AM (kXoT0)

94 RIP, sir. You were a great writer and by all accounts a decent person.

Posted by: MaxArtifice at June 19, 2013 07:28 AM (uonlI)

95 Anyone who says me past age 40 do not need prostate exams is either a liar or an incredible idiot (if they have anything to do with the medical profession.)


But I am sure there are a few "manly men" who say not me, I don't need someone poking a finger up my ass.


Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 07:29 AM (lZvxr)

96 Posted by: baldilocks at June 19, 2013 11:27 AM (Su0W2)


If you liked the first season of 24 you will love his books,

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 07:30 AM (lZvxr)

97 Only the good die young; RIP Mr. Flynn

Posted by: the Butcher at June 19, 2013 07:31 AM (8g9qq)

98

I just turned 40.  Time for me to lose my ass-cherry, I suppose.

 

As little as I'm looking  forward to that, I'm more looking forward to being around to see my grandchildren.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 19, 2013 07:33 AM (CJjw5)

99

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 11:29 AM (lZvxr)

 

Don't look at me! My complaint is with the no reflective use of PSA tests (which, absent a long history of baseline values have been shown to be not that great meaning a lot of useless biopsies.)

As much as it stinks, the "digital Rectal exam" is still one of the best diagnostic tools we have for this (the fact that it's cost is effectively nil is a bonus.) 

Posted by: tsrblke at June 19, 2013 07:33 AM (GaqMa)

100 I had one DR to say, "yup, it's enlarged". I found him to be somewhat quackish in other regards, and when I found a new Doc, he said, "no, it's fine". Point is, like most things medical, it's as much an art as it is science.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 19, 2013 07:33 AM (4Mv1T)

101 I am officially sick to the depths of my being of cancer.  If we spent all the money we spend on champagne, caviar, wagu, and vacations for Mooch on cancer, we would be far better off.

Fatal:

Dad-small bowel cancer

Mom-cancer of the bile duct, which became pancreatic and liver cancer

Sister-in-law-lymphoma

Father-in-law-stomach cancer

Two different dear friends-lung cancer

Grandpa-bone cancer


In remission:

Cousin-lung cancer

My guy-cancer of the larynx (he never smoked)

My broker-lung cancer

Three friends with prostate cancer

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 07:34 AM (kXoT0)

102 As much as it stinks, the "digital Rectal exam" is still one of the best diagnostic tools we have for this (the fact that it's cost is effectively nil is a bonus.)

It depends on how you define "cost"

::: shudder :::

Posted by: Dr. Evil[/u][/i][/s][/b] at June 19, 2013 07:35 AM (JpC1K)

103 >>>I just turned 40. Time for me to lose my ass-cherry, I suppose. ---------------------------- You have nothing to worry about unless you can see BOTH of the doc's hands when he checks you.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 19, 2013 07:35 AM (4Mv1T)

104 As much as it stinks, the "digital Rectal exam" is still one of the best diagnostic tools we have....
-----------------

I'm not touching that remark...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 07:35 AM (aDwsi)

105 I probably won't like the answer, but on my list of Questions For God (once I'm in heaven) is, "God, why cancer?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 07:35 AM (/PCJa)

106 I've not read any of Mr. Flynn's novels, but     I'm certainly familiar with his name.    May he RIP, and may his family and loved ones find comfort in each other and his memory.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 19, 2013 07:36 AM (4df7R)

107

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 11:24 AM (lZvxr)

 

PSA's have proven decent enough for monitoring prostate cancer (especially the type that shows up much later and is slow growing and highly unlikely to kill you.)

But considering "ejaculated within 28-48 hours" is enough to cause a high PSA test...they're pretty useless for most men as a first line screening.

(IIRC they were never meant to be a screening too anyway, they were meant to be a monitoring tool, it's like checking T cells in every person as a way to screen for AIDS.)

Posted by: tsrblke at June 19, 2013 07:36 AM (GaqMa)

108 Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 19, 2013 11:35 AM (4Mv1T) Are you saying EoJ's doctor is a Democrat? Or are you saying he's a politician?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 07:36 AM (/PCJa)

109 As little as I'm looking forward to that, I'm more looking forward to being around to see my grandchildren.
..........
EoJ - do it.  it's not fun, but I think every man over 40 should start seeing a doc at least semi-regularly for checkups, and especially that bend over one.  Getting a baseline on the PSA is also important.

I have high blood pressure and am forced to see my doc at least once a year or he won't refill my prescriptions.  I just wish I had picked a woman doctor with slender fingers.. *sigh*

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 19, 2013 07:37 AM (f9c2L)

110 no idea who Flynn is, but he seems to have a lot of fans here, so God Speed and my sympathies to his family.

so, any one else see this?

"The producers of an upcoming documentary on TWA Flight 800—which exploded and crashed into the waters off of Long Island on July 17, 1996, killing all 230 people on board—claim to have proof that an explosion outside the Paris-bound flight caused the crash. And six former investigators who took part in the film say there was a cover-up, and want the case reopened."

http://news.yahoo.com/  blogs/lookout/twa-flight-800-  crash-investigation-ntsb-141624708.html

Posted by: mallfly at June 19, 2013 07:37 AM (bJm7W)

111 You have nothing to worry about unless you can see BOTH of the doc's hands when he checks you. The old Federal pound you in the ass prostate exam.

Posted by: Dr. eleven at June 19, 2013 07:37 AM (KXm42)

112 Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique

If all these people live in the same vicinity as one another I suggest you move away.

Posted by: Beto at June 19, 2013 07:38 AM (VWfCN)

113

I still haven't had my first check yet.  I'm 37, so I think they recommend checks starting at 40.  It makes me wonder if I should begin asking for it anyway in my yearly physical.

 

RIP, Vince.

Posted by: Heralder at June 19, 2013 07:38 AM (+xmn4)

114 Not sure if said yet but.... Puts on tinfoil underwear... He was a friend of glen beck and doing tours with him and now one so young....

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 19, 2013 07:39 AM (1DZOE)

115 More men get prostate cancer than women get breast cancer, yet the women get all the marches and press attention. Hey, I like boobehs too. Men get breast cancer too. Was it in Alabama that a guy had to sue because it turned out that all the state funding for breast cancer treatment explicitly stated that it was for women?

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 19, 2013 07:40 AM (VtjlW)

116 I went in hospital for a colonoscopy in 2001 and spent the next five months in the hospital with a perforated bowel and MRSA in my abdomen.

Posted by: Beto at June 19, 2013 07:40 AM (VWfCN)

117 If all these people live in the same vicinity as one another I suggest you move away.

Posted by: Beto at June 19, 2013 11:38 AM (VWfCN)

No, spread out over time and distance.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 07:40 AM (kXoT0)

118 He was a friend of glen beck and doing tours with him and now one so young.... Yeah, but he'd been fighting prostate cancer for a while. I'm not thinking any foul play was at work here. Well, besides of the "f*ck cancer" variety.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 07:41 AM (/PCJa)

119 Too bad he wasn't given the opportunity to write his own obituary, I'm fairly certain he would prefer the active over the passive tense: "has died", "has learned", "has authored", "have made"...

Posted by: Minuteman at June 19, 2013 07:41 AM (dSE0q)

120 104 I am officially sick to the depths of my being of cancer. If we spent all the money we spend on champagne, caviar, wagu, and vacations for Mooch on cancer, we would be far better off.
----------------

One wonders. There have been billions invested in research, and it is ongoing at an all-time rate. I am NOT a medical guy, or even a studied layman, but it seems that that we can hope for no more than incremental progress. It is a hyper-complex problem, and it manifests itself in a myriad of forms. To know that 'enormous strides have been made' is of little consolation when the reality has to be confronted. Having said that..., I would certainly have preferred that the near-trillion dollars spent on the 'stimulus' had been invested in cancer prevention/treatment, rather than pissed down a hole. 

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 07:42 AM (aDwsi)

121 If a doctor wants to finger my asshole, he's gonna have to pay me.   And he's not going to like my rates.

Posted by: garrett at June 19, 2013 07:42 AM (KEgoY)

122 As I said, I went in and asked for both the finger wave and a PSA test. Yup, it's enlarged said the fingerer and yup, it's elevated quite a bit said the PSA test. So then you wait, in my case about 5 months, and repeat the process.
 
A large (1+) increase in the PSA value over that time period is BAD. Mine went from 8.5 to nearly 10. Time for a biopsy, and quickly too.
 
Your best chance for survival is to stop it before it spreads beyond the prostate.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 19, 2013 07:42 AM (ccXZP)

Posted by: Joe Jackson at June 19, 2013 07:43 AM (KEgoY)

124 Good luck Gnu.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 19, 2013 07:43 AM (4Mv1T)

125 Posted by: tsrblke at June 19, 2013 11:36 AM (GaqMa)


Its kind of funny.  My regular Dr sent me to the urologist because of a high PSA blood test.  That is when the urologist told me that a single test was next to worthless.  Since then I have had another PSA which decreases slightly which was also meaningless giving the plus or minus accuracy of the test.


But he has poked his finger up my ass twice now and said slight enlargement but not an issue.  Once you get past late 50s enlargement is normal.

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 07:43 AM (lZvxr)

126 Just had prostate check this morning. The doc said "apology in advance," which made me laugh.

Posted by: real joe at June 19, 2013 07:43 AM (ABXpz)

127 My favorite author of the last 15 years. This sucks. Sucks. Sucks. Sucks. Damn this sucks. This literally breaks my heart.

Posted by: David W. at June 19, 2013 07:44 AM (L3u1y)

128

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 19, 2013 11:40 AM (VtjlW)

 

Simple stats on the women/men thing.

There's more tissue (and more types of tissue) in the average Woman's breast, meaning they're more likely to get it.

Sadly the people making the rules on these things often don't think about the fact that men (especially slightly overweight men like me) have *some* tissue there, and thus stand a small (but real) chance of breast cancer.

So pretty much everything in that field is driven towards women.

And it's fairly easy to fundraise too, meaning breast cancer research is funded out the Wazoo.  It has one of the highest survival rates of adult cancer now too, IIRC, which I guess is a testament to the fact that money can solve some things.

Posted by: tsrblke at June 19, 2013 07:44 AM (GaqMa)

129 One wonders. There have been billions invested in research, and it is ongoing at an all-time rate. I am NOT a medical guy, or even a studied layman, but it seems that that we can hope for no more than incremental progress. My brother's brother-in-law (his wife's sister's husband) is a researcher w/ MD Anderson Cancer Hospital in Houston. According to him (filtered through my brother) current cancer research states that, if you live long enough, you *are* going to get cancer of some form. That "long enough" is different for different people, and that *some form* can be different even between cases of the same "type" of cancer. So, yeah- don't expect a "cure for cancer" any time in your grand-children's lifetimes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 07:45 AM (/PCJa)

130 My dad had never been sick a day in his life, hiked in the mountains nearly every weekend, was healthy and happy.

Then, when our son was four months old, Daddy had to have a quadruple by-pass.  After that, he was walking one day and had an excruciating pain in his left toe, and barely made it home.  He'd had an abdominal aneurism break off and go to the toe.

Over the next five years, he suffered a mild stroke, and then developed kidney cancer.  Fell one night on his way to the bathroom and hit his head on the bedroom floor.  Died that night, after undergoing emergency surgery from a subdural hematoma.  On Mother's Day. 

On the upside (if there is one), the docs had told him his kidney cancer would be fatal.  So he didn't suffer for months or weeks.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 07:45 AM (lVPtV)

131 GnuBreed- good luck to you.  Hopefully it is the slow growing kind like most are.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 19, 2013 07:45 AM (f9c2L)

132 God I hate cancer Instead of aids we should be hitting this cute the fastest Didn't the Israelis find the cure not to long ago but are still testing?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 19, 2013 07:45 AM (dYf+Z)

133 As awkward as the exam is..., I'm glad the guy is willing to do it. I figure that it is a lot harder on him than me. I mean...., anyone here think that the fingering is fun?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 07:46 AM (aDwsi)

134 A large (1+) increase in the PSA value over that time period is BAD. Mine went from 8.5 to nearly 10. Time for a biopsy, and quickly too.

Your best chance for survival is to stop it before it spreads beyond the prostate.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 19, 2013 11:42 AM (ccXZP)


Exactly what my urologist said.

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 07:46 AM (lZvxr)

135 cancers sucks

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 19, 2013 07:47 AM (ZPrif)

136 One wonders. There have been billions invested in research, and it is ongoing at an all-time rate.  Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 11:42 AM (aDwsi)

My point is and was that we would have spent the money employing researchers in a worthwhile endeavor, not wasted it on the caprices and fancies of a vain, angry, and greedy woman who has never contributed anything to the common good.  Both she and Hillary are carried about on silk pillows above the swooning masses for their complicity in enabling nasty and evil men to be Democratic Presidents.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 07:47 AM (kXoT0)

137 One wonders. There have been billions invested in research, and it is ongoing at an all-time rate. I am NOT a medical guy, or even a studied layman, but it seems that that we can hope for no more than incremental progress. It is a hyper-complex problem, and it manifests itself in a myriad of forms. To know that 'enormous strides have been made' is of little consolation when the reality has to be confronted. Having said that..., I would certainly have preferred that the near-trillion dollars spent on the 'stimulus' had been invested in cancer prevention/treatment, rather than pissed down a hole. Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 11:42 AM (aDwsi) If Steve Jobs can't figure out how to beat cancer, it can't be beaten by just heaving enough money at it and paying the super smart people to study it. My WAG is that it will be incremental progress right up to the point someone makes an enormous breakthrough, mainly because that's pretty much how most breakthroughs occur. The (late, lamented) BFF died of a neuroendocrine tumor that was gastro-intestinal based. The doctors said point blank that there is very little known about how and why those develop, let alone how to test for one before a person is symptomatic.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 19, 2013 07:48 AM (VtjlW)

138 OMG, my favorite Author. I am so sad. God speed Vince, thank you for hours of entertainment.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at June 19, 2013 07:48 AM (XIxXP)

139 Pro-tip For those getting the finger wave for the military... When done if you ask the doc if you should give him a tip will get you a meeting with your XO

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 19, 2013 07:48 AM (dYf+Z)

140 Sherry, what you said +1000.

Wait till Obamacare fully kicks in.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 07:48 AM (lVPtV)

141 136. Ask again during the ONT

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 19, 2013 07:49 AM (dYf+Z)

142 I don't know how many here are aware that Chris Kyle gave all the money he made from "American Sniper" to the mom of one of his fallen fellow SEALs. 

I'm hoping the money from the sales of his latest book, "American Gun" (is that the correct name?) will go to his wife, Taya and kids.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 07:51 AM (lVPtV)

143 According to him (filtered through my brother) current cancer research states that, if you live long enough, you *are* going to get cancer of some form. That "long enough" is different for different people, and that *some form* can be different even between cases of the same "type" of cancer.   Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 11:45 AM (/PCJa)

True, my Grandmother had breast cancer when she died at age 93, but, she died of old age.  They were not even treating her for it.  She is not on my "cancer list".  As I understand it the problem is the telomeres and their deteriorating ability to be produced over time.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 07:52 AM (kXoT0)

144 119 >> I went in hospital for a colonoscopy in 2001 and spent the next five months in the hospital with a perforated bowel and MRSA in my abdomen.
 
Beto, that definitely sucks. My friend, a CRNA, likes to say that no medical procedure is without risk. I'd still say that following the guidelines on having colonoscopy checkups is worth the hassle.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 19, 2013 07:52 AM (ccXZP)

145 anyone here think that the fingering is fun?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 11:46 AM (aDwsi)

More fun than the alternative.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 07:53 AM (WW8xK)

146

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 19, 2013 11:45 AM (/PCJa)

 

Phd Comics did a good little series about this some time back. http://goo.gl/Xe58v

Cancer is not a unified phenomenon, but it often gets presented like that because it makes it easier to raise money.

Posted by: tsrblke at June 19, 2013 07:53 AM (GaqMa)

147

Dammit.

 

I'm in the middle of The Last Man right now.   He's been my favorite author for a long time now.  I'll miss him. 

 

RIP, Mr. Flynn and prayers for your family.

 

Fuck cancer.

Posted by: Jaws at June 19, 2013 07:54 AM (4I3Uo)

148 anyone here think that the fingering is fun?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 11:46 AM (aDwsi)

More fun than the alternative.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 11:53 AM (WW8xK)


My friend's wife told me he was literally screaming with pain shortly before he died.  This despite being loaded to the gills with morphine.

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 07:54 AM (lZvxr)

149

Cancer is,   IMHO,   the scariest disease there is, because you just never know if you'll be it's victim.   You could leave a blameless, healthy   life,  be in the peak of physical shape, and BOOM!  Cancer.   Or you could be a fat   layabout    with a crap diet and little to   no exercise and never even ahve a brush with cancer.   It's such a quixotic    aggressor; like a    psychotic who attacks at random.   Maybe the psycho is more likely to attack a woman in red shoes, or   a   man in a three piece suit, but that doesn't stop   the psycho from also attacking a toddler on   a tricycle or a grandmother in bedroom slippers   "just because."  

 

It's truly frightening,  and I mean it when I say I wouldn't wish cancer on my worst enemy.    Not   even   Nazi PeloKKKi or  Harry   "Hairy Reed" Reid.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 19, 2013 07:54 AM (4df7R)

150  anyone here think that the fingering is fun?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 11:46 AM (aDwsi)

More fun than the alternative.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 11:53 AM (WW8xK)

Just something that needs to be done.  At least we, as men, don't have to suffer through even HALF of the indignities that women have to go through vis a vis medical check ups and procedures.  

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 19, 2013 07:55 AM (32Ze2)

151 Sherry -- Agreed, 100%. And that regards all wasteful spending. The list is long, very long. I am only suggesting that it may well be that every conceivable avenue of research is being pursued, and is well-funded. I do not KNOW that is the case, but somewhat suspect it. Perhaps not, and more funding cannot hurt. It is a saying, however, among engineers when management suggests assigning additional people to a project, "You can not take nine women and produce a baby in one month."

There are some technical problems that once fully manned with researchers, simply cannot be hurried by more money.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 07:55 AM (aDwsi)

152 No more Mitch Rapp, we are absolutely and totally fucked.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at June 19, 2013 07:56 AM (Vgn84)

153 Posted by: tsrblke at June 19, 2013 11:53 AM (GaqMa)

And as we get healthier as a society we will tend to die of cancer.

Statins have changed the cardiovascular game, vaccinations (and, to a lesser extent, antibiotics) have changed the infectious disease game, but cancer is so complex that no single revolutionary technology or drug will radically change our prospects.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 07:57 AM (WW8xK)

154 Cancer is not a unified phenomenon, but it often gets presented like that because it makes it easier to raise money.

Posted by: tsrblke at June 19, 2013 11:53 AM (GaqMa)

Agreed.  The human body is a myriad of complex interdependent systems and each tiny little component is fraught with frailty.  To suppose that cancer presents the same for each component is silly.   It is more a catch phrase to indicate that "wild" tumor cells are attacking that component(s).

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 07:57 AM (kXoT0)

155 anyone here think that the fingering is fun? Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 11:46 AM (aDwsi) More fun than the alternative. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 11:53 AM (WW8xK) Just something that needs to be done. At least we, as men, don't have to suffer through even HALF of the indignities that women have to go through vis a vis medical check ups and procedures. Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 19, 2013 11:55 AM (32Ze2) ??? I'm busy for a few hours and THIS is what I come back to?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 19, 2013 07:57 AM (9Bj8R)

156 This despite being loaded to the gills with morphine.

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 11:54 AM (lZvxr)

Yeah, I'll take the indignity of a finger in my ass once each year for 5 seconds over dying in agony.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 07:58 AM (WW8xK)

157 For those of us who dally,
twirling a strand of hair,
pondering other things,
our creative time,
is slipping away,
to never be returned,
and one's Muse is unamused,
when the Grim Reaper appears,
and we scream we need more time!


God speed Mr. Flynn.  Prayers for your family.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 19, 2013 07:58 AM (pyjZt)

158 I'm busy for a few hours and THIS is what I come back to?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 19, 2013 11:57 AM (9Bj8R)

You're surprised?

You can always use the HotAir button.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 07:59 AM (WW8xK)

159 RIP Vince.  You and Mitch R are my heroes

Posted by: NCwoof at June 19, 2013 07:59 AM (aUQgu)

160 I'm busy for a few hours and THIS is what I come back to? Posted by: Nevergiveup
------------------------

Bend over, and spread your cheeks....

Posted by: No..., not THOSE cheeks at June 19, 2013 08:00 AM (aDwsi)

161 Cancer is not a unified phenomenon, but it often gets presented like that because it makes it easier to raise money.

Posted by: tsrblke at June 19, 2013 11:53 AM (GaqMa)

True, but, in my books, give Mooch a PBJ, a PBR, and a Euro-rail pass and send the leftover money to research or wherever.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 08:00 AM (kXoT0)

162 CBD, I think that was snark.

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 08:00 AM (lZvxr)

163 And thanks for the well wishes guys and gals, but this all happened back in '06. I'm seven years free and clear of cancer.
 
No worries, mates. I plan to hang around here posting dick jokes for years to come.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 19, 2013 08:00 AM (ccXZP)

164 Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 12:00 PM (lZvxr)

As was mine.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 08:01 AM (WW8xK)

165 True, but, in my books, give Mooch a PBJ, a PBR, and a Euro-rail pass and send the leftover money to research or wherever.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 12:00 PM (kXoT0)



In my book she, her worthless husband, and her get all get booted out of the WH toot sweet after he is impeached.

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 08:01 AM (lZvxr)

166 Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 19, 2013 11:57 AM (9Bj8R



On Father's Day we talked with our son on Skype, and he's asked if we'll pick up his friend and mentor, a Sgt. who's going to be attending DI School at Parris Island at the airport and take him there this weekend.  We said we'd be happy to.

He also "warned" us that lots of his friends in the Corps will be coming for visits.  I'm going to put up a sign over the wet bar that says, "Marines always welcome.  Relatives, not so much."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 08:01 AM (lVPtV)

167 Our best wishes were retroactive, GnuBreed!  They went back in time!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 19, 2013 08:01 AM (f9c2L)

168 OT Is anyone hearing this story about TWA Flight 800? Sounds like a bunch of whistleblowers are coming out now saying the official story on that was bullshit. Holy shit!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 19, 2013 08:01 AM (V1ZIU)

169 ...give Mooch a PBJ,...
--------------------

References to 'PBJ' have been determined to be racist. H8ter.


Posted by: Chris Matthews at June 19, 2013 08:02 AM (aDwsi)

170 Mine doesn't have a HotAir button. I had to pay extra but it was worth it.

Posted by: Dr. eleven at June 19, 2013 08:02 AM (KXm42)

171 My friend's wife told me he was literally screaming with pain shortly before he died. This despite being loaded to the gills with morphine.

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 11:54 AM (lZvxr)

That was my husband's death from Agent Orange and the Oxycontin did not touch the pain.  

What terrifies me is that I can't take pain meds...I am allergic to all of them.  It makes my migraines a horror story and I live in fear of cancer.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 08:03 AM (kXoT0)

172 OT, but John Stossel is still mad about the Vietnam war?

Why?  We would've won that if not for Walter Fucking Cronkite.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 19, 2013 08:04 AM (B/VB5)

173 OT, but the new "moderate" president of Iran has ruled out halting uranium enrichment.

What a surprise!

http://tinyurl.com/qdl24hd

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 08:04 AM (WW8xK)

174 Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 12:03 PM (kXoT0)


I am so sorry Sherry.  Make sure you get every available screening test. (Despite what the idiots in DC say)

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 08:05 AM (lZvxr)

175 >>>It makes my migraines a horror story and I live in fear of cancer. ------------------------------ My dad used to say, and I think he was mostly right, is, "The things we fear the most usually never come to pass."

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 19, 2013 08:05 AM (4Mv1T)

176 Damn, Sherry. 

My late dad's father, a WWI vet, died of stomach and liver cancer before my parents met.  Daddy said he'd get off the elevator at the hospital and he could hear his dad crying in agony all the way down the hall.  And this was a man awarded the Croix de Guerre for his service in the war.

Fuck cancer.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 08:05 AM (lVPtV)

177 I am so sorry Sherry. Make sure you get every available screening test. (Despite what the idiots in DC say)

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 12:05 PM (lZvxr)

I do.  For now, I have very good insurance.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 08:06 AM (kXoT0)

178 I guess since everyone is going OT on the RIP thread Purp needs to bring his back.

Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 08:06 AM (lZvxr)

179 @171: What are they saying the "real story" is?

Posted by: Ian S. at June 19, 2013 08:06 AM (B/VB5)

180 136 As awkward as the exam is..., I'm glad the guy is willing to do it. I figure that it is a lot harder on him than me. I mean...., anyone here think that the fingering is fun? Asked my urologist about that once. He said "Meh. It pays the bills."

Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at June 19, 2013 08:06 AM (eZNO5)

181 Okay I'm going to go kill myself now.

Posted by: Dr. eleven at June 19, 2013 08:06 AM (KXm42)

182 Fox is talking about the TWA flight right now.  There's a documentary out that says the crash was "no accident."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 08:07 AM (lVPtV)

183 @171: What are they saying the "real story" is?

Posted by: Ian S. at June 19, 2013 12:06 PM (B/VB5)

Shot down by a missile, just the way the eyewitnesses said it was.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 08:07 AM (kXoT0)

184 Posted by: Ian S. at June 19, 2013 12:06 PM (B/VB5)

Missile strike.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 08:07 AM (WW8xK)

185 It makes my migraines a horror story...
----------

Having suffered migraines, I have asked myself, how long I could live with it as a permanent, non-stop condition. Answer: not long.

This is a crappy (yet necessary) thread. I feel a headache coming on.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 08:07 AM (aDwsi)

186 Former NTSB officials saying all evidence points to an external explosion brought down the plane. Oh my....

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 19, 2013 08:08 AM (V1ZIU)

187 > What are they saying the "real story" is? I always figured it was a Muzzie with a Stinger but that didn't work for Billy Jeff. I still can't imagine a warship could accidentally shoot down a passenger aircraft and have no one come forward about it, although I've seen that speculated.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 19, 2013 08:08 AM (ZWvOb)

188 This day is only going to go downhill from here. I think this will be a "Cracked.com" day.

Posted by: Dr. eleven at June 19, 2013 08:08 AM (KXm42)

189 Keep complaining, and you may be next.

Posted by: NSA at June 19, 2013 11:21 AM (aDwsi)


This is why we need the right to perform secret, non-consenual colonoscopies on American citizens while they sleep.  If you deprive us of anal probology, the terrorists have won.

Posted by: NSA at June 19, 2013 08:09 AM (Hx5uv)

190 Yeah, this day totally sucks for multiple reasons.

Even Chris Matthews is blaming Barry's poor speechifyin' at the Brandenburg Gate on "the sun."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 08:09 AM (lVPtV)

191 Rush is eulogizing him now. I read all of the Mitch Rapp novels and was impressed at how realistic they seemed.
What a loss to us all.

Posted by: Jim Flimsey at June 19, 2013 08:10 AM (T9V22)

192 On Father's Day we talked with our son on Skype, and he's asked if we'll pick up his friend and mentor, a Sgt. who's going to be attending DI School at Parris Island at the airport and take him there this weekend. We said we'd be happy to. He also "warned" us that lots of his friends in the Corps will be coming for visits. I'm going to put up a sign over the wet bar that says, "Marines always welcome. Relatives, not so much." Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 12:01 PM (lVPtV) The DI School is right over near where I will be staying.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 19, 2013 08:10 AM (9Bj8R)

193 My friend's wife told me he was literally screaming with pain shortly before he died. This despite being loaded to the gills with morphine. Posted by: Vic at June 19, 2013 11:54 AM (lZvxr) If he was screaming with pain, he was NOT given sufficient morphine. Patient tolerances increase quickly & can become what seems unreasonably high. Doctors are - quite understandably - scared shitless of the m@&%f#^ing DEA which has a nasty tendency of prosecuting over legitimate, compassionate, medical care. May God take pity upon you if you need more the "standard" dose to control your pain - the DEA certainly won't.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at June 19, 2013 08:11 AM (sCsUf)

194 As awkward as the exam is..., I'm glad the guy is willing to do it. I figure that it is a lot harder on him than me. I mean...., anyone here think that the fingering is fun?

***

As a sex offense prosecutor, I get paid to watch child porn, and believe me, that is no fun.  I've seen stuff that would gag a maggot.

Posted by: NSA at June 19, 2013 08:11 AM (Hx5uv)

195 Missile strike.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 12:07 PM (WW8xK)

 

So the plan for the cover-up was...to keep the plane in a hanger and use it as an analysis training tool.

I'm sorry, but Occam scoffs at that idea.  They parade tons of people past that plane every year, I'm not really sure it's more than it seems, even if some people disagree.

Posted by: tsrblke at June 19, 2013 08:11 AM (GaqMa)

196 That whole TWA Flight 800 investigation was suspicious. I remember going over to my parents house because my mother had had foot surgery and needed some help to get around and they were showing a video produced by the government explaining how the plane went down. The video was produced by the CIA. I remember the two of us looking at each other and saying, "Why in the hell is the CIA involved in this if it's just a mechanical problem?"

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 19, 2013 08:12 AM (V1ZIU)

197 Does this mean Mitch Rapp won't be paying Office Holder and the Lyin kING a visit anytime soon. Daeham!
Have two of his books with me on vacation finished one on way down and will finish the other on the way back.
Have to hope for Reacher to come through for us.

Posted by: Concealedkerry or submitt at June 19, 2013 08:12 AM (wq8UW)

198 I saw the largest German paper had a headline to the effect of "With friends like Obama, who needs enemies?" today.

Remember how TFG was going to make the whole world love us?

Posted by: Ian S. at June 19, 2013 08:12 AM (B/VB5)

199 Even Blithering Chris Matthews is blaming Barry's poor speechifyin' at the Brandenburg Gate on "the sun."

FTFY

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 19, 2013 08:13 AM (Hx5uv)

200 Posted by: Chicagorefugee at June 19, 2013 12:11 PM (sCsUf)

My dad told me that when he was doing a fellowship in hematology, one of his patients was dying and in agony. He kept giving him more and more morphine, and the nurses were fluttering around and upset with him.

He said to them, "Becoming an addict is the least of his problems."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 08:13 AM (WW8xK)

201 Rush is talking about Vince right now. He opened his show with Vince as the topic. Apparently they were friends.

Posted by: johnd01 at June 19, 2013 08:13 AM (ukNFU)

202 I'm not really sure it's more than it seems, even if some people disagree. Posted by: tsrblke
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I've read a fairly detailed report regarding the forensics of the thing. All quite plausible re tank explosion. Of course, those who are suspicious are right to be suspicious..., but it requires evidence rather than speculation.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 08:15 AM (aDwsi)

203

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 12:13 PM (WW8xK)

 

Training people on the appropriate use of morphine and getting them over their fears of "killing the patient" is a huge issue.

Most of those fears are unfounded firstly, and furthermore intentions (and reasonable precautions) do matter.

We have entire faculty members who have made their careers in this area.

Posted by: tsrblke at June 19, 2013 08:15 AM (GaqMa)

204 The video was produced by the CIA. I remember the two of us looking at each other and saying, "Why in the hell is the CIA involved in this if it's just a mechanical problem?"

Maybe it was Bill Ayers with a Stinger rather than a jihadi?

Posted by: Ian S. at June 19, 2013 08:15 AM (B/VB5)

205 I'm not really sure it's more than it seems, even if some people disagree.

Posted by: tsrblke at June 19, 2013 12:11 PM (GaqMa)

There are large gaps in the information (no surprise), so people are filling in those gaps with sensational but improbable possibilities.

It's typical behavior.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 08:15 AM (WW8xK)

206 Even Chris Matthews is blaming Barry's poor speechifyin' at the Brandenburg Gate on "the sun."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 12:09 PM (lVPtV)

 

Personally, I consider that to be a highlight of the day.   So one good thing in a sea of bad?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 19, 2013 08:16 AM (4df7R)

207 I've read a fairly detailed report regarding the forensics of the thing. All quite plausible re tank explosion. Of course, those who are suspicious are right to be suspicious..., but it requires evidence rather than speculation.

***

Waiting until we have the evidence is not the AOSHQ way.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 19, 2013 08:16 AM (Hx5uv)

208 Wonder what the blowback would be on Hill's 2016 chances if it turns out The First Black President covered up a terrorist missle attack on a plane though.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 19, 2013 08:16 AM (ZWvOb)

209 Rush just said Vince's father died young of prostate cancer.

Jeebus.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 08:17 AM (lVPtV)

210 Doctors are - quite understandably - scared shitless of the m@&%f#^ing DEA which has a nasty tendency of prosecuting over legitimate, compassionate, medical care. May God take pity upon you if you need more the "standard" dose to control your pain - the DEA certainly won't.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at June 19, 2013 12:11 PM (sCsUf)


The Doc told me this morning that every prescription for a controlled substance will now be routed through the DEA. We had to pass the bill to find out what's in it.

Posted by: real joe at June 19, 2013 08:17 AM (ABXpz)

211 Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 19, 2013 12:16 PM (ZWvOb)

If there was a cover-up of a missile strike (which I highly doubt), it happened a long time ago.

The plane crashed in 1996.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 08:18 AM (WW8xK)

212 211 Wonder what the blowback would be on Hill's 2016 chances if it turns out The First Black President covered up a terrorist missle attack on a plane though. Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 19, 2013 12:16 PM (ZWvOb) Nah this would fall on Clenis. It happened in 1996.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 19, 2013 08:19 AM (V1ZIU)

213 Did Barky give 'em a still-armed salute? Because Nazi.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 08:19 AM (aDwsi)

214 Even Chris Matthews is blaming Barry's poor speechifyin' at the Brandenburg Gate on "the sun." Yeah, Barry and every Little League outfielder.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 19, 2013 08:20 AM (T0NGe)

215 Rush seems pretty broken up over Vince's death.  They were apparently good friends.  Said Vince told him he was going to beat the cancer and live a long life.

So terribly sad.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 08:20 AM (lVPtV)

216

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 12:15 PM (WW8xK)

 

All things considered it's amazing they were able to reconstruct as much of the plane as they did.

People I know who have seen it in person said there are just boxes of "other stuff" in the warehouse they're pretty sure belongs to other planes, boats, etc.

Just seems like a ton of effort for a cover up.

 

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 12:15 PM (aDwsi)

 

Skeptical sure, but all the evidence I've seen thusfar is questionable at best.  Eyewitness testimony and now this "radar" thing. I'm not even sure how that would work.  Our aviation radar wouldn't have the resolution to tell between an external explosion on the tank and an internal one in it would it? (Note they didn't say "an object heading towards the plane" they said "an external explosion." So the radar missed the missile, but caught the really narrow difference between "internal and external" explosion?!)

Posted by: tsrblke at June 19, 2013 08:20 AM (GaqMa)

217 > Nah this would fall on Clenis. It happened in 1996. First Black President being Billy Jeff of course.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 19, 2013 08:20 AM (ZWvOb)

218 I see TOTUS was out of order for Barky's big German speech so he had to go off printed notes and was completely terrible.

But remember, he's a gifted orator.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 19, 2013 08:20 AM (B/VB5)

219 215 211 Wonder what the blowback would be on Hill's 2016 chances if it turns out The First Black President covered up a terrorist missle attack on a plane though. Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 19, 2013 12:16 PM (ZWvOb) Nah this would fall on Clenis. It happened in 1996. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 19, 2013 12:19 PM (V1ZIU) I think Lemmenkainen was referring to Bill Clinton as 'The first black president'.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 19, 2013 08:20 AM (X6akg)

220

107As much as it stinks, the "digital Rectal exam" is still one of the best diagnostic tools we have....

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I have one periodically.  I mean daily.  :-O   No big deal.

Posted by: Jason Collins at June 19, 2013 08:21 AM (EGPJQ)

221 > I think Lemmenkainen was referring to Bill Clinton as 'The first black president'. Thanks Tami!

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 19, 2013 08:21 AM (ZWvOb)

222 Is anyone hearing this story about TWA Flight 800? Sounds like a bunch of whistleblowers are coming out now saying the official story on that was bullshit.

I've always assumed it was bullshit.  The official explanation made no sense.  A close friend of mine was a professional crash investigator, and independently concluded that the center fuel tank explanation was bullshit.  The fact that a center wing fuel tank had never exploded that way, before or since, is certainly a factor. 

The CIA made a video re-creating the crash.  What was the CIA even involved? To the point of making an explanatory, non-terrorist video simulation?

TWA 800 was Clinton's Benghazi. 

Posted by: Phinn at June 19, 2013 08:21 AM (oFH2D)

223 Personally, I consider that to be a highlight of the day. So one good thing in a sea of bad? Posted by: MWR,
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You must have missed the now-redacted BuzzFeed thread earlier. It's as if, it never happened....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 08:21 AM (aDwsi)

224 First Black President being Billy Jeff of course.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 19, 2013 12:20 PM (ZWvOb)

I missed that reference!

Nicely done.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 08:21 AM (WW8xK)

225 Ahh that's right I forgot Clinton's magical status. Thanks for the refresher lol.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 19, 2013 08:22 AM (V1ZIU)

226 Nah this would fall on Clenis. It happened in 1996.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 19, 2013 12:19 PM (V1ZIU)

 

You forget that Billy Jeff was dubbed "the first black President."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 19, 2013 08:22 AM (4df7R)

227 227 First Black President being Billy Jeff of course.



Wonder if the Hildebeast will repeat her:  "Ah ain't in no waaaay tahred" speech when she runs again in 2016?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 08:23 AM (lVPtV)

228 Wonder if the Hildebeast will repeat her: "Ah ain't in no waaaay tahred" speech when she runs again in 2016?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 12:23 PM (lVPtV)

 

Why not?  Not like they'll accuse her of racism.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 19, 2013 08:24 AM (4df7R)

229 OT:  Another reason to support gun control

"Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the older Boston Marathon bomber who was killed in a gunfight with police, was mentioned in a list of gun-violence victims whoÂ’ve died since the Newtown shooting at a Mayors Against Illegal Guns rally yesterday."

Bloomberg's group is doing a No More Names bus tour and it looks like they've found a poster child.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 19, 2013 08:24 AM (Hx5uv)

230 Holder At Gay Pride Event: LGBT Agenda Will Be A Top “Priority” At DOJ… Really? — The DOJ doesn’t have bigger issues to worry about? Makes me want to gag. So I guess that rules me out from being gay, since I don't think I'd like the alternative either

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 19, 2013 08:24 AM (9Bj8R)

231 > Wonder if the Hildebeast will repeat her: "Ah ain't in no waaaay tahred" speech when she runs again in 2016? I would actually like to see her tarred. And feathered.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 19, 2013 08:24 AM (ZWvOb)

232 > "Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the older Boston Marathon bomber who was killed in a gunfight with police, was mentioned in a list of gun-violence victims whoÂ’ve diedsince the Newtown shooting at a Mayors Against Illegal Guns rally yesterday." Damn guns have learned to drive cars and run over people now.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 19, 2013 08:25 AM (ZWvOb)

233 You must have missed the now-redacted BuzzFeed thread earlier. It's as if, it never happened....

Posted by: Mike Hammer

 

Inhabitants of Ace of Spades!  Further discussion of the redacted Buzzfeed thread will result in sentences of five years in the iso-cubes.

 

You have been warned.

Posted by: NSA Agent Dredd at June 19, 2013 08:25 AM (NF2Bf)

234 Having suffered migraines, I have asked myself, how long I could live with it as a permanent, non-stop condition. Answer: not long.

This is a crappy (yet necessary) thread. I feel a headache coming on.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 12:07 PM (aDwsi)

Yeah, I rarely go to the hospital with a migraine, but, I had one last fall that was so bad, I went.  I handed the ER doctor my typed list of allergies and after reading it, he raised his eyebrows, and politely inquired, "Just what was it you want me to do for you?"  There was one intravenous drug not yet on the list.  So he ordered that.  It stopped the headache, but, I was sick for two days from the reaction, so now it is on the list.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 08:25 AM (kXoT0)

235 I have one periodically. I mean daily. :-O No big deal. Posted by: Jason Collins
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Hmm. Seems to me that it is a straightforward deal. Why can't we certify a group of prostate examiners who will do the job at a fraction of the price of a doctor? You know, kinda like midwives. Personally, if I have to be fingered, I would prefer that it was by a woman...., because delicate touch.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 08:25 AM (aDwsi)

236 The CIA made a video re-creating the crash. What was the CIA even involved? To the point of making an explanatory, non-terrorist video simulation? TWA 800 was Clinton's Benghazi. Posted by: Phinn at June 19, 2013 12:21 PM (oFH2D) Yeah even all these years later when this topic comes up the first thing I think of, aside from the horrific tragedy of those people dying horribly, is that CIA video playing on television. That was just so weird. The NTSB couldn't produce a recreation? Hunh?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 19, 2013 08:26 AM (V1ZIU)

237

I remember  the conspiracy theories that were being expounded back in '96.  From what I gather, no "new" evidence is being brought forth now.  Just a rehash of what could not be proven then.

 

You know this will happen with the 9/11 truther b.s. too, right?   Probably, coincidentally enough, the next time we have another R in the White House (IF we ever have another R in the White House).

Posted by: BurtTC at June 19, 2013 08:26 AM (TOk1P)

238 I'm sorry, but Occam scoffs at that idea. They parade tons of people past that plane every year, I'm not really sure it's more than it seems, even if some people disagree. Posted by: tsrblke at June 19, 2013 12:11 PM (GaqMa) My thought was: If it was a terrorist strike, why would no one claim credit?

Posted by: AmishDude at June 19, 2013 08:26 AM (T0NGe)

239 I see TOTUS was out of order for Barky's big German speech so he had to go off printed notes and was completely terrible.

But remember, he's a gifted orator.

***

I think the "Ich bin ein Sitzpinkler" remark ws right on.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 19, 2013 08:26 AM (Hx5uv)

240 > I handed the ER doctor my typed list of allergies and after reading it, he raised his eyebrows, and politely inquired, "Just what was it you want me to do for you?" I honestly don't know, but does weed help with migraines?

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 19, 2013 08:26 AM (ZWvOb)

241 That Fox News article on TWA 800 is maddeningly vague. 

The SA-7b has a slant range of 4.2Km and altitude of 2,300 meters.  Also an infra-red tail chaser.

FIM-92 has a max altitude of 3,000m and a range between 1 to 8 Km.  Like the SA-7b locks on IR.  Warhead twice the size of a SA-7b but only 3Kg.

So both would go for the engines.  747 has 4 engines.  Even an El Al cargo 747 in Europe losing two engines on the same side managed to stay in the air and almost got back to the airport.  The El Al crew even had time to talk to the tower as they fought the plane.

So that leaves what?  A US Navy ship firing an SM-2 at TWA Flight 800?  And you mean to tell me in all the years since not a single sailor has ever divulged such a horrendous act?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 19, 2013 08:27 AM (pyjZt)

242 The funny thing is that Clenis was considered the first Black President because he liked McDonalds and he was a playa.  How racist is that?  The dummycraps sure are evil.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 19, 2013 08:28 AM (32Ze2)

243 Russia says US missile defense a big barrier to nuclear cuts Published: 06.19.13, 18:21 / Israel News A senior Russian official said on Wednesday that the US deployment of anti-missile shields was a huge hurdle to any further cuts in the offensive nuclear arsenals of the former Cold War foes, because of concerns the interceptors could shoot down Russian missiles. "How can we take the idea of strategic nuclear weapons reductions seriously when the United States is building up its ability to intercept these ... weapons?" Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told reporters after US President Barack Obama said he would seek to negotiate cuts with Russia. (Reuters) I think we can see where this is headed if we let obama have his way- G-D forbid

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 19, 2013 08:28 AM (9Bj8R)

244 I fear that now that Vince Flynn is dead Hollywood will march forward with the casting of Leonardo DiCaprio or Johnny Depp as Mitch Rapp.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 19, 2013 08:28 AM (29vnO)

245 > Personally, if I have to be fingered, I would prefer that it was by a woman...., because delicate touch. As long as she doesn't have the salon harpy nails. Bleeding profusely from my stinkhole would put me off a followup test next year.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 19, 2013 08:28 AM (ZWvOb)

246 If it was a terrorist strike, why would no one claim credit?

Posted by: AmishDude at June 19, 2013 12:26 PM (T0NGe)

Because it was the CIA that planned and executed the missile firing, on orders from the Trilateral Commission and the Freemasons.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 08:28 AM (WW8xK)

247 Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 12:25 PM (aDwsi)
Fingernails and all?

Posted by: Concealedkerry or submitt at June 19, 2013 08:28 AM (wq8UW)

248 Went to see REO Speedwagon last night. Great show, as always, but for no particular reason whatsoever, Kevin Cronin decided he just had to attack Ted Nugent and Nugent's politics. There was a decent scattering of boos, but not enough. When, oh when will these people learn to just shut the fuck up and sing?

Posted by: GuyWhoDoesntGiveAFuck at June 19, 2013 08:29 AM (7ObY1)

249 nood

Chris Matthews/Barky mocking thread.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2013 08:29 AM (lVPtV)

250 I see TOTUS was out of order for Barky's big German speech How much you wanna bet they didn't bring any adapters for the outlets?

Posted by: AmishDude at June 19, 2013 08:29 AM (T0NGe)

251 I think the "Ich bin ein Sitzpinkler" remark ws right on.
Posted by: WalrusRex
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Now *that* lightened up my day..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 08:29 AM (aDwsi)

252 Yeah, I rarely go to the hospital with a migraine, but, I had one last fall that was so bad, I went. I handed the ER doctor my typed list of allergies and after reading it, he raised his eyebrows, and politely inquired, "Just what was it you want me to do for you?" There was one intravenous drug not yet on the list. So he ordered that. It stopped the headache, but, I was sick for two days from the reaction, so now it is on the list. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 12:25 PM (kXoT0) Sherry I have the same problems with pain meds. Almost all of them make me puke. Percocet doesn't but it gives me a ripping headache. When I had hip surgery 2 years ago, they finally decided, after puking for 24 hours, that they'd give me anti nausea meds before the pain killer injection. When they told me that, I asked them if it just came on the market or something?! Why'd they let me puke for so long before doing that is beyond me. My point is, there is medicine to counter the nausea effect of pain killers.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 19, 2013 08:30 AM (X6akg)

253   Bleeding profusely from my stinkhole would put me off a followup test next year.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 19, 2013 12:28 PM (ZWvOb)

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Or you might just make a follow up appointment for the next day.

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at June 19, 2013 08:30 AM (32Ze2)

254

249 -

 

That's just what the Council on Foreign Relations WANTS us to believe!

Posted by: BurtTC at June 19, 2013 08:31 AM (TOk1P)

255 A group of leopards doesn't change its spots.

"The 'National Organization for Women'  . . . 'deplores' House passage of the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act.

NOW is “appalled” by the vote."

Yeah, I'm pretty appalled, too.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 19, 2013 08:31 AM (Hx5uv)

256 Re: Vince Flynn...One of the best authors out there but was a better interview. Being a favorite of all the talk show hosts here in the Twin Cities, VF was on with everyone. I've heard him interviewed literally dozens of times. Truly one of the good guys (on our side) and really, a great person.

Its a real loss to the entertainment industry and the conservative movement.

Posted by: Tony253 at June 19, 2013 08:31 AM (PryWG)

257 Rest in peace, Vince Flynn. By far my favorite military-thriller-espionage popular author.

Posted by: lincolntf at June 19, 2013 08:32 AM (ZshNr)

258 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 19, 2013 12:27 PM (pyjZt)

There was a homing device placed in the hold so an American missile fired from Jamaica Bay would hit the fuselage, not the engine.

Then the CIA had the baggage handler killed in an auto accident, and the tech who fired the missile was killed in an industrial accident.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 08:32 AM (WW8xK)

259 Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 12:25 PM (aDwsi)
Fingernails and all?
Posted by: Concealedkerry
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Let me think about it...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 19, 2013 08:33 AM (aDwsi)

260

Mitch Flynn- RIP.

Cancer sucks and it touches everyone...directly or indirectly.

My sister just had a 4.5cm mass taken out of the base of her brain.

Just turned 50 and she never smoked a day in her life...Doc said it started in her lungs and moved to her head.

Her youngest son is 17.

Posted by: USMC8541 at June 19, 2013 08:33 AM (FzhYM)

261 I honestly don't know, but does weed help with migraines? Yes, big time. Almost makes me sorry I quit the stuff years ago.

Posted by: GuyWhoDoesntGiveAFuck at June 19, 2013 08:33 AM (7ObY1)

262 CBD I really hope you were saying that with tongue in cheek or I will be afeared you got some happy juice.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 19, 2013 08:34 AM (pyjZt)

263 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 19, 2013 12:34 PM (pyjZt)

It's as plausible as whatever conspiracy theory will be examined by this "documentary."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2013 08:35 AM (WW8xK)

264

Posted by: Tami at June 19, 2013 12:30 PM (X6akg)

Heh.

I'm allergic to an ANTI-HISTMAINE.

No really.

Well they think I am. I had a epic bad case of poison ivy years back.  Literally head to toe down my right side. (They think someone was burning it behind our house.)

Anyway, I got put on "Atarax." to stop the itching and reduce the rash.

3 days later I broke out in hives.  There are two working theories.  1) I really am allergic to an antihistamine or 2) the hives was an over response to the poison ivy after it was mostly gone.

In either case they don't want me taking it again, which always leads to a hilarious set of conversations.

1) Electronic health records spit Atarax out as an "error" when you put it in allergies.

2) I have to explain "yes, I might really be allergic to it, yes, I know it's an antihistamine, no, I don't mean I take that for my allergic reactions.  Yes, I know what I'm talking about."

Posted by: tsrblke at June 19, 2013 08:35 AM (GaqMa)

265 and please, not Tom Cruise as Mitch Rapp...

Posted by: USMC8541 at June 19, 2013 08:36 AM (FzhYM)

266 Yeah even all these years later when this topic comes up the first thing I think of, aside from the horrific tragedy of those people dying horribly, is that CIA video playing on television. That was just so weird. The NTSB couldn't produce a recreation? Hunh?

This month has been a salve for my conspiratorial soul. 

I've always assumed the worst when it comes to the government in general, and Democrats in particular.  The JFK assassination happend before my time,  but before it was a Seinfeld joke, it was a fairly serious public topic. The official explanation there made no sense, either. 

Flight 800 was one of the first stories I experienced in real time, as an adult, where the TV version didn't match up to the information from other sources (in this case, from the Internet, which was relatively new in 1996). 

Official policy at the time was that Clinton was charming the world and so we were all safe.  The motive to lie was too strong to ignore.

Posted by: Phinn at June 19, 2013 08:36 AM (oFH2D)

267 CBD why didn't you say that?  Geez.  Maybe that explains where the lost tomb of Jesus' brother got to....  not Talpiot eh Simcha and James Cameron?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 19, 2013 08:36 AM (pyjZt)

268 We lost another good one. Very sad. I liked him as a person and as a writer.

Posted by: mare at June 19, 2013 08:37 AM (A98Xu)

269 So that leaves what? A US Navy ship firing an SM-2 at TWA Flight 800? And you mean to tell me in all the years since not a single sailor has ever divulged such a horrendous act?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 19, 2013 12:27 PM (pyjZt)


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If I had to come up with a "Grassy Knoll" scenario it would be that the plane was struck by a metorite.  I was living on Long Island at the time and I remember that there was a large amount of meteorite activity at the time.  Since there's really nothing anybody can do to prevent a plane from being struck by a meteorite it makes sense that the government would want to suppress the information in order to not "panic the public".

Posted by: Nighthawk at June 19, 2013 08:37 AM (OtQXp)

270 CBD I really hope you were saying that with tongue in cheek or I will be afeared you got some happy juice. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 19, 2013 12:34 PM (pyjZt) CBD is as sane as me. How's that for an endorsement?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 19, 2013 08:38 AM (9Bj8R)

271 Because it was the CIA that planned and executed the missile firing, on orders from the Trilateral Commission and the Freemasons.

Because a Democrat in the White House in an election year would never, ever try to deceive the public into believing that an act of terrorism was a spontaneous event? 

Posted by: Phinn at June 19, 2013 08:39 AM (oFH2D)

272 Groan-inducing. PANORAMA CITY (CBSLA.com) — School board members have approved a plan to rename a San Fernando Valley elementary school after First Lady Michelle Obama. Los Angeles Unified board members voted unanimously Tuesday to name Valley Region Elementary School No. 13 after Mrs. Obama. The campus, which was opened last August to relieve overcrowding at nearby elementary schools, focuses on healthy eating for students, a cause championed by Mrs. Obama’s “Let’s Move” campaign. The First Lady was in Germany on Wednesday as President Obama meets with Prime Minister Angela Merkel and other leaders.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 19, 2013 08:41 AM (9Bj8R)

273 Personally, I consider that to be a highlight of the day. So one good thing in a sea of bad?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 19, 2013 12:16 PM (4df7R)

Personally, I am enjoying the photos of Putin looking at the Mocha Misery as if he is dog crap on his patent leather evening pumps.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 08:41 AM (kXoT0)

274 School No. 13 is now Michelle Obama.  So is the school on a Super Fund site like the Al Gore school?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 19, 2013 08:42 AM (pyjZt)

275 Such sad news.... l love Vince Flynn and his character Mitch Rapp....I will miss both of them. His books, and specifically, Mitch Rapp, gave me a sense of striking back at these weasels in DC I will miss that. RIP Vince Flynn

Posted by: kawfytawk at June 19, 2013 08:44 AM (qdzWt)

276 2) I have to explain "yes, I might really be allergic to it, yes, I know it's an antihistamine, no, I don't mean I take that for my allergic reactions. Yes, I know what I'm talking about." Posted by: tsrblke at June 19, 2013 12:35 PM (GaqMa) My husband is allergic to Tylenol! Tylenol! About 30+ years ago he stopped eating read meat because Crohn's runs in his family big time. Now he CAN'T eat it because they use acetaminophen as a preservative in beef. I can't tell you the number of times we've been to the ER because he ate something that had some form of beef in it (stock). He gets the biggest hives you've ever seen. I don't know why, prior to him not eating beef, he didn't break out in hives. It was like once he cleared his system of it, he has hyper reactions to it. Happened to him once on a business trip to Shanghai.....that was frightening. Passed out in his hotel room, slammed his head on a cabinet, split it open. The room boy stepped over him to go clean the bathroom. Thought he was drunk. The hotel offered to take him to the hospital but he decided he'd have a better chance just staying in the room than going to a Shanghai hospital. Strangely enough, he thinks that when he split open his head, his body released adrenalin which helped his allergic reaction. Oh, also, he just mushed his hair in the wound and let it heal. Men.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 19, 2013 08:44 AM (X6akg)

277 My point is, there is medicine to counter the nausea effect of pain killers.

Posted by: Tami at June 19, 2013 12:30 PM (X6akg)

Yes, and there is Benadryl for the itching, but, that does not work for me.  I am also allergic to one of the anti-nausea meds--it darn near killed me because the doctor forgot he prescribed it, so I was in convulsions for 12 hours.  What finally saved me was one of the other docs said, "Well, if you had given her Compazine, I would say she was having a classic reaction to that."

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 08:45 AM (kXoT0)

278 Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 19, 2013 12:45 PM (kXoT0) Yikes! You poor thing....you are sensitive!

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 19, 2013 08:48 AM (X6akg)

279 Oh this saddens me.

Posted by: Mrs Compton at June 19, 2013 08:52 AM (dX4hn)

280 Country singer Slim Whitman, the high-pitched yodeler who sold millions of records through ever-present TV ads in the 1980s and 1990s and whose song saved the world in the film comedy “Mars Attacks!,” died Wednesday at a Florida hospital. He was 90.

Posted by: Harriet Beecher Stowe at June 19, 2013 09:14 AM (e8kgV)

281 I had a colonoscopy yesterday for my 50th b'day test.  It was also my wedding anniversary, (we have several, since wife's Catholic and from Nicaragua).

I had a polyp to boot--get your checks, dudes.  Colon, prostate, whatever.

I hate that Vince is dead.  I pre-ordered his next book and could never wait to get his latest.  He was a fun author to read.  I'll miss him a lot.

Wish his young family the best and my prayers.

Mitch

Posted by: hmitchell3rd at June 19, 2013 10:46 AM (3YCXd)

282 The world lost a great man with the passing of Vince Flynn.  I will greatly miss Mitch Rapp and the rest of the freedom fighters. Rest In Peace, Friend.

Posted by: JudyNM at June 19, 2013 10:58 AM (ie/uy)

283 RIP He will be dearly missed.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at June 19, 2013 11:16 AM (7mQyC)

284

Geebus, that's young.

RIP...sorry to hear that, I liked his work.

Posted by: CanaDave at June 19, 2013 12:57 PM (Qad/i)

285

Welcome !!

Posted by: The Prince of Darkness at June 19, 2013 02:17 PM (DO0cA)

286 Such a brilliant man. I'm really upset by this. I guess I'm know I'm being selfish but I ache for his family. Really makes me think....more than i care to at 2:11 in the AM.

Posted by: Andrew H. at June 20, 2013 01:05 AM (aRjVl)

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