1 You are not being alarmist.  You are exactly right.


Far too many of us have yet to awaken to this.

2
Even I have to admit to being amazed at that guy from CNN that wrote Obama a love letter every day of his first term.  And I am cynical.

3 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

4 I agree

5 I keep banging this drum but honestly, some patriotic billionaires do have to band together to purchase or build a media outlet.

And since they're not going to do it, what are we going to do about it?

6 Eh, Obama's third term is when I'll start getting really worried.

7 And since they're not going to do it, what are we going to do about it?

Perhaps blog about it?

8

"I keep banging this drum but honestly, some patriotic billionaires do have to band together to purchase or build a media outlet."

Try again: the central tenet of progressivism is telling rich people how to spend their money

9

What difference at this point does it make?

10 Shorter Ace: Fox needs competition, pronto. Agreed.

11 Maybe the morons could pool their lunch money and buy the grey lady?

12 Try again: the central tenet of progressivism is telling rich people how to spend their money

Meh.

There's a world of difference between "Hey, if we're going to fight this, someone has to step up" (what Ace wrote), and "F*ck you, pay me," (what Liberals believe).

13 I don't know about the grey lady, but we could definitely afford Newsweek.

14 AMEN !!!! HALLELUIA!!!! ACE HAS GOT THE RELIGION!!!!! 





THE MEDIA IS THE GRAVEST THREAT THIS NATION FACES!!!!!!



"A Fusion of Media and Government" is exactly right.  Most of those media bastards have actual FAMILY in the Democrat machine.  I used to keep a list of which ones were related by blood or marriage to whom, but there got to be so many of them that I quit bothering to figure out the connections and now I just save time and presume that ALL of them have some sort of familiial  connection to Democrat office holders or staff members.

15 Maybe the morons could pool their lunch money and buy the grey lady?

They won't sell to us.  Consider, AlGore was more willing to sell to Al Jazeera than to Glen Beck.

16 They'll use the same power to discredit and new competition.

17 I don't think I'm being alarmist. At every point in history when media power has fused with government power -- whether involuntarily or, for one of the first times in history, now voluntarily -- it has resulted in disaster and misery.

Sad face

18 sadly, railing against the media has been established by the GOP establishment as a sign of losing the argument. Much like voter fraud and academic credentialization being a left wing political charm school, media bias is basically dyed in the wool. The left owns the media, schools, and organized crime (i.e., the inner city vote turn out machine) and pretty soon, the left is going to own law enforcement. So...what to do? I dunno, I guess my earlier Great Depression 2.0 model is developing, we need to wait for an Eisenhower to come and rescue the party. So, we just need to sit through Great DEpression 2.0 for a decade and then a great war, and then we'll be fine. Give or take 2 decades.

19
We can mock them.

I'm talking really juvenile stuff. Who cares.

set up twitter accounts with their names and tweet really stupid shit

20 On one hand I think that maybe now that the mask has fallen away completely from the "news" media, we can begin the process of righting the ship. But I am far too jaded and bitter to think that anything will change without some kind of calamity. Far too many are far too complacent to even recognize just how bad the press really is.

21 What difference at this point does it make?

22 You mean like Trump buying the NYT?

23 You need to find billionaires who are willing to be villified like the Koch Bros. are, ridiculed like Clint Eastwood was and have their families threatened like the Palins. No pushing or shoving the line forms to the left.

24 We have always had a partisan press its just that it use to have two sides. I don't really know what happened to the conservative side of the press, I suspect the depression and the age of FDR had a lot to do with its disappearance.

25 And, as the MBM becomes more and more obviously an organ of the state, the respect that the people have for it will decline even more. But, as you say, without a counterbalance, it doesn't matter.

26 And since they're not going to do it, what are we going to do about it?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 24, 2013 03:55 PM (8y9MW)

Help Glenn Beck?  Seems like the best example of someone trying to move in this direction, though PJ TV is making a try at it too.

27 ...is there money in conservatism?

28

The only way to kill the beast is to starve it.

 

29 Ailes could have made Fox a counter to the rest of the liberal media but he just made them less liberal than the commies.  They have issues that the are in bed with the rest of the MFM with like amnesty and AGW.


The only way we can fix this is either have a rich conservative buy one of the networks out from under the the asswipes like GE or to use alternative media to offset.  That last part is tough, so what happens with the first part?


Millionaires don't get to be rich buy buying money losing businesses.  Place like GE get it offset by the government giving them money under and above the table.


IOW it is pure corruption.


In that mode there are only two solutions; an Art V convention or a bloody revolution.

30 Like a machine, natural rights must be continually adjusted until they turn out the perfect product.

31 Going to be tougher than simply buying a media outlet.  Once you have one, who staffs it?

Guessing most people that go into journalism, news, etc...not just journalists, but editors, producers, etc...are liberal or liberal-leaning by default and in the long run, would turn most any media outlet liberal. 

32 Or we go full Soviet, in which there is no path to freedom or a return to a proper two-party state. We basically lose a century and turn into Mexico (that is, the PRI owned that country for about 90 years too) or the Soviet union. It just a matter of how much pain and suffering we endure. Do we go softly or do we get crush-crushed. Basically, history repeats itself, and we're in the path of a semi full of hurt.

33

 

In short...we are in an Abusive Relationship with the media.

34 How many 'Big Media' outlets are there? News flash: It's a cartel.

35 ...is there money in conservatism?

Yes.

Unfortunately, there's nearly as much money in Liberalism.

36

Newsrooms/studios sacked, editors/reporters/producers on trial. Nothing else will work.

37 When the French had finally had enough, they didn't look upon the imposing Bastille and say "You know, we need a Bastille of our own".

38 Wish it was as simple as that. Where do we get said media? The major networks are not for sale and  the   likes of John Stewart and Steven Colbert are where a good part of the public gets their "news." I know we must try to do this, but I don't know how...

39 The media powers only fuse with a LIBERAL government power.  Any republican government power has their trash, e-mails, wardrobe, etc., picked through by the media powers.

40 In the olden days, Political dictators had the government take over the media. They clearly had it backwards.

41 sadly its too late. we lost this nation. will have to try again somewhere else.

42 I'll keep mentioning this idea. Someone ought to create an app that lets you scan products you are thinking of buying, and that would tell you immediately if the product will support a liberal company when you buy it.




We need to add economic warfare to our repertoire.  Making it easy will make it possible.

43 **21 What difference at this point does it make? Posted by: Stalin in 1952 at January 24, 2013 04:00 PM (F6KtL)** I put us closer to Russia in 1915-ish? If I get my dates right, we're pre-revolution, pre-gun confiscation. Say didn't an American president help the Reds out, to beat the White russians?

44 Billionaires with conservative leanings banding together to buy media outlets is a good idea, but there can also be grassroots efforts to combat corruption and bias in the media. We as citizens have to start confronting members of the media and get it on tape. A perfect example(albeit an accidental one) is Susan Roesgen at that Chicago Tea Party rally nearly 4 years ago(yes, it's been THAT long). On live TV, this lady went into hardcore Obama-worshiping partisan mode and made a fool of herself. Before you know it, she's yanked off the air by CNN, fired by the network, and last I heard is slumming it on a local news affiliate somewhere.

Enough of these episodes going viral and we may start to shame at least some members of the press into trying a little harder to hold their side accountable. And if we're really successful, the prospect of unemployment in the perpetually stagnant Obama economy will be a motivating factor as well. I'd also suggest we pressure our pundits and politicians to be confrontational with the press. Take John Sununu with Soledud or Ben Shapiro's takedown of Piers as good examples.

45 Maybe the morons could pool their lunch money and buy the grey lady?
Posted by: Unclezeb

The premium on their legacy (aka goodwill) ain't worth the price tag and the risk of going down with death of printed media. New tech still has a lot of growth and is much more disruptive.

Instapundit's suggestion of buying or starting 'non-political' chick magazine website makes much more sense.

46 Ace is not being alarmist. This is, in fact, the unraveling of the civil society. This is perilous.

47 To be more precise: We don't need one new outlet. We don't need two. We need to at least double the number of existing outlets, or triple it. We need more robust regional networks. We need real local media. In short, bring back competition in media, baby!

48 sadly its too late. we lost this nation. will have to try again somewhere else.

Where?  You might not have noticed, but about the only land-mass on earth that isn't already fairly well populated is Antarctica.  And I don't think wheat grows too well there.

49 The only reason this is alarmist is in its assumption that the media has some real power. If this is even true to some extent anymore, it is rapidly disappearing.

Though I'm not sure if that is a good thing.

50 I keep banging this drum but honestly, some patriotic billionaires do have to band together to purchase or build a media outlet.

Why would they do that? The message is freely available in a million different places for those that want to hear it. The viewership trajectory for mass media news outlets is clear. I'd rather see another hundred James O'Keefes and Andrew Breitbarts doing great work in an entertaining way. Good stuff will find an audience.

51 You know, what many conservatives once thought was a good thing might actually be causing this fusion or accelerating it.

A lot of us, myself included, heralded the internet, Fox News, the proliferation of other cable channels, and the death of the Fairness Doctrine as very good things.  They offered an alternative source of information - one that was not as biased as the Big 3 networks and the major newspapers.

It was thought that these alternative sources would "balance out" the traditional media.  But in fact, I think that this stratification of media sources has relieved the traditional media of the pretense of objectivity.  "Why should I be balanced?" they ask.  "If someone doesn't like it, they can go watch Faux News or read the Drudge Report."

So rather that forcing liberal outlets to try harder to be more objective and balanced, competition from conservative media has actually made them more liberal.

I don't know what the solution is to this - this is simply my observation.

52 I agree....

I will pay into a kickstarter....

I'll put it this way if someone firebombed a media van and nobody was killed I'd engage in jury nullification on moral grounds at this point.

The media are part of an attempt to allow a dictatorship in this country in my eyes at best, and may be an active participant.

I want peace, I will give EVERYTHING I can spare to stop what is coming and try to do it in a peaceful way but any Republican, Libertarian, 'Conservative too conservative too vote" whatever that thinks the pre 2008 status quo is ever coming back is a fool.

You can't shame them, they feel no shame.

You can't reason with them because they are not having a conversation, they are mobilizing the left and manipulating the swayable middle on purpose to destroy dissent and allow the destruction of our Constitution.

They need stopped or they will happily push things to where 'survival mode" kicks in in a lot of folks and it will NEVER be their or the left's fault.

I want the Article V and realignment as peacefully as possible or within the next 25 years they are going to kill all liberty.

53 He loves me...
He loves me not...
He loves me...
He loves me not...

54
you know what'd be funny?

if we wrote a letter every day to Mr Foreman at CNN

55 Agreed that these are dangerous waters because he who controls the narrative controls the society. Agreed that WE must do something, BUT -some patriotic billionaires do have to band together to purchase or build a media outlet.- Is just more of standing around and doing nothing. Billionaries do not change the course of government; individuals do . Individuals who fight tooth and nail for their cause. As much as tfg and his minions try, they cannot defeat the NRA. The NRA stays the course and NEVER loses site of its target. It neither compromises nor acquiesces. WE must find a way to take charge of the narrative now and not wait for some billionaire to save us. Perhaps we cannot buy a television station ,but who cares. WE can hit the internet with everything we 've got. This is a war. Either everyone fights or we lose.

56 >>I don't think I'm being alarmist.


Um, actually you're mimicking your choir.
It can't even qualify as preaching at this point.


.......but I realize that the post is meant for more than just us, and for that you deserve credit and encouragement.

57 You mean like Trump buying the NYT?

I see why not.  He wouldn't even have to change the acronym.

The New York Trump

Lead story:  According to official sources, YES MY HAIR IS TOO REAL SO SHUT YOUR FAT FACE HOLE.

58 I caught about 10 seconds of Jon Stewart last night and he was going full attack on Paul Ryan over his remarks on Obama and the Strawman. It was a wow, just wow, moment. Stewart's marching orders are to destroy. As if Obama's inaugural speech even answered Ryan. The side point to my we're on the verge of the USSA is that most of 20th century was Wilson-FDR move to totalitarianism with a brief respite created by Reagan to W (and I guess Eisenhower to JFK). Obama's just erasing that respite that made us briefly free and prosperous.

59 fuck at this point Canada looks better than the US as a place to live. at least you dont have to worry about having the major tenants of your nations identity taken away from you on a daily basis.

60 Dammit- I don't see why not...

61 We must do something about the media.






No. Shit.

I would like to see how Wolf Blitzer reacts to ants in his pants. Or Chick Todd's goatee on fire...Tom Acosta getting pinched by a right cross.

62 I'll keep mentioning this idea. Someone ought to create an app that lets you scan products you are thinking of buying, and that would tell you immediately if the product will support a liberal company when you buy it.

BOOP.  Liberal
BOOP.  Liberal
BOOP.  Liberal...

63 49 Allen G,

In the Red States if possible, concentrate as many as we can somewhere if it is not.

The Mexicans have taught us that nations have to just accept illegals right?

Will we take a hit financially?

Yup, but at the end of the day we can buy our way in.

64 You might not have noticed, but about the only land-mass on earth that isn't already fairly well populated is Antarctica. And I don't think wheat grows too well there. Almost a reason to root for Global Warming...

65 Its also important to note that journalism schools are very liberal, they don't teach how to be a journalist, they teach the importance of pushing liberal ideas. Like everything that modern liberalism gets its hands on, its all about the means justifying the ends. The goal is to push a better utopian world, where everyone thinks the right thoughts and the right people are in power.

66 Communist Goals for America.  There are 45 specific goals.  Applicable here is:

20.  Infiltrate the press.  Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21.  Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

Mission accomplished!

67 One thing that is feasible IF we had an opposition Party would be to bring back the law that prohibited a single company or its affiliates from owning more than one major media outlet in an area.

Two companies own all of the newspapers and TV stations in SC now. Even the damn local papers in hick towns.

68 Bear in mind, that at the same time this crap is going on, the same government is proclaiming the moral justice of granting full amnesty to 11 million rebels to federal authority.

That's the benchmark for successful rebellion against the US government.  11/308 million.

69
But while 'we do something about the media'...

we must FIRST educate the a-hole Republicans in how to negotiate their experience with the media

70

Ace,

What's that Mencken quote in your header again??

71
The left owns the media, schools, and organized crime (i.e., the inner city vote turn out machine) and pretty soon, the left is going to own law enforcement.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 24, 2013 04:00 PM (QxSug)

Technology is starting to bite some left-owned institutions.  Texas is pushing a $10,000.00 degree program which includes a lot of on-line instruction.  Get rid of liberal college professors and you will weaken them both socially and financially.

Megauploads is back in business with encryption software that prevents the company from knowing what files are being sent through it's storage and routers. As a result, the company can maintain a data transfer structure through which people can put a serious dent on the Movie/Music industry. 

Unions are getting hammered, and many of their pension fiascos are starting to be noticed.  There are a few things moving in our direction.

72 To be more precise: We don't need one new outlet. We don't need two. We need to at least double the number of existing outlets, or triple it. We need more robust regional networks. We need real local media. In short, bring back competition in media, baby!

Oh, I like that.

Instead of focusing on a big national network (FOX, MSNBC, CNN, etc.), we instead start lots of local orgs.  Newspapers, maybe a radio station, etc.

73 The major networks are not for sale and the likes of John Stewart and Steven Colbert are where a good part of the public gets their "news." I know we must try to do this, but I don't know how... It would help if the attempts at conservative humor that got wide reach (the Half Hour News Hour) weren't terrible. Putting Red Eye in prime time would be kind of a huge thing for the Jon Stewart type of audience, which is probably why Ailes won't do it. Alternatively, if Glenn Beck gets a real network going he can hire Iowahawk...

74 On the bright side, Romney still got about 50 million votes. Right? There's still a few people out there that can think for themselves. If only there was some wedge issue that Romney could've used against Obama. oh well. we've lost. might as well sign up for your government approved life path, julias and ... oh right, men don't really get a pre-approved life path, plebes.

75
half the problem is the media

the other half of the problem is the stupid Republicans who don't have a clue in who they're dealing with and it doesn't look like they're catching on

76 Amen Ace! 

How can an average citizen help to dismantle this brave new framework?

77 Remember how Ollie North was a bad man?

At least, according to this same press?

78 >>>What we are witnessing is the full and seamless fusion of media power with government power.

All the elements of societal power and control. Information (press, schools), Metaphysics (Psuedo religion of environmentalism, and the philosophy of collectivism), Law (Leftist judges), Means of production (Regulation, industry takeovers, Crony Capitalism), they are claiming them all. The last element, Raw force, (Military, Police, Free and Armed People) they do not yet largely control.

Oh you see it then? Well when they get the last lion on evil voltron, where do you think they are going to shove that blazing sword?

79 65 cavil,

I started saying that 2 years ago brother.

80

Billionaires funding new media would be great, but realistically, the only way to handle the media is to make them afraid to continue on the way they do.

 

The only thing that overrides their liberalism is the fear of looking like a total asshole on TV.  It takes great preparation and well rehearsed delivery, however anticipating what the media will say is easy. 

 

Newt showed a tiny bit of how it is done.  If there were a concerted effort to train chosen others in the art, an effective program could be launched.  Once individual media figures find that they are either being bitch slapped directly or being made the object of continuous ridicule for unexceptable behaviour, they will change.

81 we managed to slay the unions a little bit. But think of the word Hydra. What does that imply about our enemy?

82 I don't think any conservative network/consortium has to go to journalism schools for staff.  They think they hold a monopoly but they don't.  Hasn't the internet proved that it really isn't that difficult to be a journalist?  That the emporer has no clothes on that score?  The hard part is getting a network and the cash to run it.  The election showed we underestimated the influence of the MFM because WE  aren't influenced by them

83

There's no accountability in media, at least as long as our institutions hold. But, looking ahead, I wonder if any in the corrupt media ever wonder if they've got a tiger by the tail. I mean, when things begin to fall apart, why do they think we don't have a tumbrel with their name on it?

 

I'd never engage in violence against an elected representative, even if they personally brought about the demise of the country. I figure the dipshits who voted for them are to blame. But when the media is conciously corrupt and actively degrading our institutions, why should they be exempt from the consequences? Why do they believe they are?

 

The only thing these people will understand is being held accountable, and if they conspire to turn this place into revolutionary Paris, I'll personally introduce them to the Denogginizer and laugh about it later.

84

The Truth in reporting died many years ago. The MFM is now pure propaganda, so much so  that even Pravda is calling them on it.

 

We are well and truly screwed. And we brought it about   by putting up with it, not calling it out, and not stopping it when it first appeared.

85 I think I need a kitteh picture now. I whistle past the graveyard a lot. I mean a really lot. But it is a graveyard and we are heading for it and yeah.

86 Yes, someone needs to hire Iowahawk.

87 Hey! I love process. Oh...

88 On one hand I think that maybe now that the mask has fallen away completely from the "news" media,wecan beginthe process of righting the ship. But I am far too jaded and bitter to think that anything will change without some kind of calamity. Far too many are far too complacent to even recognize just how bad the press really is.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at January 24, 2013 04:00 PM (K+mtQ)

We have to inform by entertaining them.  PJ media and the Blaze (if I remember correctly) have been asking for people who are creative conservatives so that they can do things like write scripts or stories in such a way as to convey a conservative message in an entertaining way.

We can't just talk at em, we have to entertain them.

89 Conservatism is all about being responsible, informed, law abiding and contientious. Liberalism is about race-baiting, promiscuity, emotive preening and baseless condescention. You must admit, they're more entertaining.

90 In that mode there are only two solutions; an Art V convention or a bloody revolution. Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2013 04:01 PM (53z96) --------------------- Agree. We're quickly coming to a point where all the words will have been spoken. I'm really getting that vibe when I listen to Rush and Levin.

91 At the WaPo, http://tinyurl.com/b22rkkp

on this poll, Hillary's approval rating is 87%.

92 Billionaires may not be able to buy a network, but this is something that they can do: endow conservative chairs. There was a scam noticed that these endowments got swallowed up to fund liberalism, but conservatives are fighting back by making the endowments conditional.

93

Read something yesterday about Forbes, how it started out conservative under Malcolm but Steve has steered it to the hard left.

 

Fox is also trending left, not that that will stop the kneejerk FoxHate so many on the left exhibit.

 

It would be a good step if Trump can buy the NYT, but will Carlos Slim sell?  Carlos is actually middle-eastern of some sort (Lebanese, or Syrian os something) and he probably keeps it around for the ability to slant middle east coverage.

 

 

94 I remember when someone had a great idea for a website several years ago.

He was going to call it "MediaVetting.com"

Even bought a domain and everything.

Seems it was a guy who hung out here a lot, too.

Point your browser tiller in that direction, behold the page that will not load.

95 The message is freely available in a million different places for those that want to hear it.

And I think we hugely overestimate the number of people who want to hear it.

96 Imagine PJMedia with more money backing it.. and hell yes hiring Iowahawk. The guy is the best kept secret on our side of the political spectrum.

97

The question, as others have already noted, is WHAT DO WE DO about it?     The dinosaur media    are    taking too long to die, and new media,    like this blog and other    online venues,       haven't achieved enough clout to be taken seriously by most of the public.      So what do we DO?   How do we forge our own media powerhouse in this   void   between media monopolies?   

 

I don't know how to answer that question,   except to say that we're working with a weak hand.     We have to be nefarious and       covert.    We have to manipulate the media we have and turn it into the media we want.   

 

Quick.   Everybody look cute!

98 Everybody pull the plug on your cable/dish contract. It is the only way to affect the media-government complex.

99 93 At the WaPo, http://tinyurl.com/b22rkkp

on this poll, Hillary's approval rating is 87%.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 24, 2013 04:11 PM (kXoT0)

  I don't need a cute kitteh picture to make me angry reading that...

100 3 things that would help:

Trump (I know, I know) buying the NY Times.

Ace and others' point about patriotic billionaires (eg; Koch bros).

Demint @ Heritage putting some gattling guns and 50 cals in the turrets and cruising the DC skyline on a regular basis.


As far as the MFM goes they can't even see the Rubicon over their shoulder.

101 Instead of focusing on a big national network (FOX, MSNBC, CNN, etc.), we instead start lots of local orgs. I knew a 'Dedicated Tenther' would appreciate how the same principles that should be limiting government would work in media as well...why, you should start a blog or something...

102

Unfortunately conservative leaning people are not drawn to the profession of journalism.  Face it, journalism is mostly wanting to hear yourself on the news or see yourself in print.  Its about having an outlet to express your views and not about the desire to report events in a objective manner.

 

Conservatives are drawn to the military, engineering and law enforcement.  Professions that create tangible items. Professions that protect the weak.  Conservatives are drawn to objective pursuits.  Liberals are drawn to subjective pursuits.   

103 Pathetic

104 As it stands, O'Bumbles could announce he will kill an innocent American at random, and then do it on a Live broadcast.  He could use an assault rifle to do it.  And the Press would let him get away with it. 

And it will only get worse.

105 In that mode there are only two solutions; an Art V convention or a bloody revolution.
Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2013 04:01 PM (53z96)


------------------


Yup that is my point I will give EVERYTHING I can to stop them peacefully but in the end if enough people really believe in freedom there will be blood if we can't stop it.

If blood letting starts I know where I stand.

No more Wacos.

106 Relax, Ace. Old Media Is Dead. I know this because Tucker Carlson pronounced it. Two months before taking a full-time gig at Fox News on the "curvy couch." Fuckin jagoff.

107 I think I need a kitteh picture now.

http://kittenwar.com/c_images/2010/11/29/196386.1.jpg

108

   We're quickly coming to a point where all the words will have been spoken.

============================

Word up.

109 Thanks for coming around, ace.  :-)

I haven't read the comments yet, or done a full sudy, but Gannett is a nice target.  A lot of access to small/mid-sized markets.

(A) I'd probably split effort/$$$ about 70/20/10 for television (70%+), newspapers(20%), online/mags (10% or less).

(B) For television, try to own 2/3+ of a local market (Major MSA).  2/3 because of network affiliates.  Target one market at a time and get critical mass there.  Then move on to the next acquisition as money allows.

110 Wasn't there supposed to be a "conservative" network launched a few years ago? I remember reading that Kelsey Grammar & John Ratzenberger were involved.


Or maybe it was just another Cheers reunion.

 

111 Say didn't an American president help the Reds out, to beat the White russians? No, it was the other way around.

112 The message is freely available in a million different places for those that want to hear it. It doesn't matter if they want to hear it. They have to be hearing it regardless, constantly. Like our adversaries have been doing...

113

ABSOLUTELY.

 

I have been pounding the fucking caps button about this forever.   CALL THEM THE FUCK OUT WHEN YOU TALK TO THEM.

 

Make it your intro.  Every conservative/repub guest should do this.  Every fucking time.

114 97 Ms radish,

Correct, when I was in the Chicago's Pizza in greenwood you had a LOT of people Obama is directly fucking trying to ignore it, you could feel their cultivated apathy.

115 @113 ok, so Wilson didn't fuck that up.

116 will have to try again somewhere else." My moon base doesn't seem so crazy now, does it?.DOES IT?!

117 Whites still lost, gave us the USSR

118
You've been down this road before. Remember the abortive Operation Pipewrench?

119 As it stands, O'Bumbles could announce he will kill an innocent American at random, and then do it on a Live broadcast. That happens constantly. It's called 'advocating a pro-abortion position'...

120 113 Sean bannion,

If you can call fucking it up so badly we were essentially a garrison for a railroad 'helping" yeah.

121 Look...when the Joooos give up their vice like grip on the media only then will Cons and SoCons have a chance.

 

122

Its about having an outlet to express your views and not about the desire to report events in a objective manner.

 

Which is why it's time to start brutally shaming journalists.   Make the "Journalism" major a joke,   like Womyn's Studies or Transgendered Bi-Curious African Heritage Studies.   Mock it relentlessly, and anyone who professes to practice it even more so.        

 

What I've always said about politicians applies to so-called "journalists," too:   they're all attention whores who were too ugly to make it in Hollywood.

123 Relax, the media is fair and balanced, we just need to nominate conservatives that are not extreme. signed, xxoo the gop PS, see? Hunstman was the only true choice.

124

half the problem is the media

the other half of the problem is the stupid Republicans who don't have a clue in who they're dealing with and it doesn't look like they're catching on

 

FWIW, I went to the GOP survey site listed in this morning's news dump and tried to give them some advice, without  cussing (y'all should be proud of me!). I told them that they need to stand up to the hostile media and challenge their lies,  amongst other things. I also repeated what I mentioned here a  couple of weeks ago that my interests weren't even being addressed,  much less defended, by Pubbies in Washington.

 

I'm sure that went to the Great Digital Circular File  immediately, but it was at least good to get  that off my chest.

125 but will Carlos Slim sell? Carlos is actually middle-eastern of some sort (Lebanese, or Syrian os something) and he probably keeps it around for the ability to slant middle east coverage.
Posted by: Boots

Born in Mexico with Lebanese heritage.

126 as for Journalism school. You know, there's the higher Ed bubble. These lunatics can't and won't get hired because there's not enough jobs to go around anyway. Journalists who make it make it because of luck, looks, and liberalism

127 I don't know how to answer that question, except to say that we're working with a weak hand. We have to be nefarious and covert. We have to manipulate the media we have and turn it into the media we want.

Step 1) Start flooding your local media.  I think it was Hollowpoint above who said start lots of media outlets.  You do that locally.  Get your local Tea Party group (who probably has a few fairly well off people) to start a kick-starter start-up for a local newspaper.  Laser printer, a couple of writers, the works.

Step 2) Swallow your pride, and go partisan.  Anything and everything that makes a Democrat look bad gets printed, now matter how minor.  Republicans are never mentioned by party for bad things, always by party for good things.

Step 3) Make it available.  That means: free (ad driven), but in print.  People (at large) aren't going to go to your website.  Not until you have lots more readers.  So print up thousands (yes, thousands) of copies and drop them in your local Starbucks, at the local stop-and-rob, or whatever.

128 106 As it stands, O'Bumbles could announce he will kill an innocent American at random, and then do it on a Live broadcast. He could use an assault rifle to do it. And the Press would let him get away with it.

And it will only get worse.
  It could even be a media-member no one would dare question it.

129 The fact that there are no "fat cat" conservatives willing to do this tells you something.

1) They don't want to; 2) they've tried; or 3) they're in on the game.

Rush could easily create a dummy corporation to buy just about any newspaper or TV station in the country.

But, he'd rather spend a few hours a day talking--talk, talk, talk--not DOING anything.

Which side of the battle is he really on?

The best use for the money us small guys can come up with is a website that pays $10 to anyone who submits a video insulting a politician or media personality to their face.

Reduce them to the worthless pieces of shit they are; Make them fear the public.

130 But the media is already owned by corporations, which are, by definition, right-wing.

131 We're living in a land where a rich man can't even complain about confiscatory taxes without having to issue an apology the next day. I think we may very well be truly and thoroughly boned.

132 Yes, 1000 times yes.  This is the root of the problem.

Excellent (and chilling) analysis.  Bravo.

133

You're not being alarmist. It's the single most threatening development in my lifetime. It's hard to believe it has actually happened -- how did the graduates of the finest liberal schools in the world come to a shared conviction in the importance of their own professional corruption, to subvert the essential ethic of journalism and the First Amendment? Amazing, really -- every cautionary tale of the 20th century is at our disposal, right there to see both in reality and in our literature -- and all are ignored or sneered at in the name of ideology and power. What profound ignorance and arrogance.

The true source of Obama's power is completely overlooked (or willfully ignored) by the GOP, perhaps because it is too terrifying to contemplate, too awesome to engage: that he has completely removed an investigative and anti-authoritarian media (in Mencken's famous adage, one committed in part "to afflicting the comfortable") from the political dynamic. Obama operates with the most massive propaganda arm ever been seen in modern history. He is essentially invulnerable. At no point did Romney/Ryan come close to addressing this sick truth so dangerous to our society and freedoms. Nor do any other Republicans. Breitbart alone found expression for his moral outrage and developed a plan of counter-attack. Since he died, however, the game has gone back to carping and chronicling "media bias." We need a battle plan.

134 The rotten leftist union schools produce the media employees.

135 Why would they do that? The message is freely available in a million different places for those that want to hear it. The viewership trajectory for mass media news outlets is clear. I'd rather see another hundred James O'Keefes and Andrew Breitbarts doing great work in an entertaining way. Good stuff will find an audience.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 24, 2013 04:04 PM (+lsX1)

This:  

Rush Limbaugh used to call the Republicans "The green eye-shade party" because we talked boring numbers and stuff. Nobody wants to hear it cause it's boring.  Same thing with looking up news sources. 

The only solution is to make the stuff entertaining. PJ Media is working at stuff along these lines, but I think we need more and better efforts at this.  I just saw an episode last night of "raising hope" that treated "gay" marriage as a given, and normal part of society and the legal system.

They put their propaganda into the entertainment, but they DO provide the entertainment as a hook to get people to watch their propaganda.  This is how it's done.

136

This is so fucking easy.

 

Go on Stephonapoulis or however the fuck you spell his name.

 

Say, George, I appreciate that you and your network are an advocate of leftist views, but I hope you will listen to the facts.

 

EVERY.  FUCKING.  TIME.

 

But Ace is correct, this has gotten very dangerous indeed.

 

Marco Rubio-Tom Cotton 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!

137 The only thing that overrides their liberalism is the fear of looking like a total asshole on TV No, no I don't think that's true. In fact, I'm sure it's not true.

138 Ace bringin' the red meat.

139 I agree with you ace, but I really don't see a way to fix it. Someone linked an article about Forbes turning left today as a case study (Ben? Here? Can't recall) If we cant keep Forbes, how do we keep anything else?

140 Great post.

141 I bin watchin the MFM since the late 60s ---  bad to worse to incredibly bad


There always were idiots and clown and giant egos--- now there are more idiotic idiots, clownier clowns, and the egos are......gargantuan


More importantly, the MFM, as you noted, has veered and retched increasingly Left:  from geeky Left to advocate-Left to hard core socialist-commie symp Left


targets, they are now; enemies.  Think and act accordingly

142 I have been pounding the fucking caps button about this forever. CALL THEM THE FUCK OUT WHEN YOU TALK TO THEM.

Make it your intro. Every conservative/repub guest should do this. Every fucking time.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 24, 2013 04:14 PM (tVTLU)

 

This.

 

Just starting or buying another network doesn't end the problem.  All it does is add another voice. 

 

Take their stars and make them look like idiots every time they appear on television.  We have the facts and logic on our side, all we need to do is help our spokespeople use realtime information in an aggressive fashion.

143

112 Wasn't there supposed to be a "conservative" network launched a few years ago? I remember reading that Kelsey Grammar John Ratzenberger were involved.

 

They put up an internet site...and made some videos.

I don't think they got very far with it though.

 

It wasn't all that 'conservative' from what I saw...more of a moderate type thing.

 

144 138 The only thing that overrides their liberalism is the fear of looking like a total asshole on TV Yeah, no. Totally wrong.

145 All these gender studies, j-school, and other grads of fake studies aren't working. They're either going OWS, on permanent welfare, or doing menial jobs. The higher ed bubble may kill that head of the liberal hydra. The union hydra head is getting beat. The real hydra head is demographic change, the Vichy arm of american politics. "we" didn't get stupid and reelected obama. the voting blocs of 1984 would've rejected obama worse than Mondale. But, add in 100,000 new americans a month for 30 years? That new group of unassimilated people did.

146

No Conservative or Republican should be a guest on these DNC programs.

We should run ads against each MSM org, and individual "journalist".

Ads should encompass their personal lives, financial lives, and their professional lives.

We can destroy their reputations as they have done to us for 2 decades.

 

147 We Must Do Something About The Media Ehh, no shit.

148 I know one thing for sure. Tomorrow I'm getting cable internet service. DSL data service ain't cutting it. I haven't been able to get a good internet connection all afternoon.

149 We need Breitbart.

150 Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em all. ... but not in a gay way, like a Viking. _

151

And then?  We must change the Terms used for debate...

 

Don't talk about the fake Unemployment number... talk about the Employment numbers..

 

Don't talk about the GDP as a measure of economic growth, unless you subract both inflation, and the devaluation of the Dollar.

 

Discuss the idea that it can't be a RIGHT if someone has to do it to you, or give you somthing... (its a privelege)

 

Don't talk about Governments 'Rights'.... as they are not created by God, or Nature, and thus have Powers, and Limitations... not RIGHTS.

 

And one thing I would do if I owned a TV Network.... EVERY show would have a Redeye style 'Halftime Report'.... where someone would FACT CHECK everything said in the prior half hour...

152 We don't necessarily need new media outlets, we need more conserva-libertarians in the existing media. We need C-L big shots to get into CNN, ABC, NBC, etc., hire other like-minded people as reporters, writers, producers, and help them work their way into positions of power.

Same with academia.

It's the way the Left did it; it's the way we should do it.

153 We're living in a land where a rich man can't even complain about confiscatory taxes without having to issue an apology the next day. I think we may very well be truly and thoroughly boned.

Posted by: BuckIV at January 24, 2013 04:18 PM (gedHR)

 

Which is why we   have to be especially loud when we    tell these people TO STOP FUCKING APOLOGIZING.    Use    words the way they're supposed to be used, and call things what they are.   If someone gets in a snit because you call the Preezy a lazy son-of-a-bitch, then ask that person what part they have a problem with:  the lazy, the son, or the of-a-bitch?   Don't buy into their premises that it is always those on the RIGHT who must be on the defense.   We must always, ALWAYS be on the offense.   Make them run.   Make them piss their pants like the yellow cowards they are.   

154 What's the market for an alternative narrative? Hell, even supposed fans of Ayn Rand couldn't stir themselves to go see Atlas Shrugged.

155 My Brother-in-Law is an avid sportsman , hunter,and gun collector. He must have over 400 guns. Despite all that he voted for obama. The reason? He spouted every single lie from the media.He even quoted all the crap they  said about the  Republican Convention  having not  watched one bit.... There in lies the problem just as Ace says....

156 What has made me angry in the past is the difficulty I've had when I want to send a complaint to media people. Whether it is entertainment tv shows, or news shows, I have tried to e-mail shows to let them know what I thought of the content and had the devil of a time finding a way to contact them. This isn't true of all of the shows and networks, but it seems to be true of a lot of them. In many cases I've ended up finding some sort of address and written a snail mail letter, having no idea who would end up getting up. These people don't want to hear from us because they despise us and truly believe that they are intellectually superior to us. Then again, maybe they're just narcissistic cowards.

157 The only thing that overrides their liberalism is the fear of looking like a total asshole on TV Yeah, what Contessa said.

158 alarmist?

the last few years has been a growing nightmare of recognition of what is possible  and what I once believed could never happen in America.
We are already being demonized 24/7 , accused of all types of malignant  and gross deeds.
what's next?

now that is alarming.

159 When You have Van Jones, an admitted communist, on CNN as a respected contributor and no one there even bats an eye things are out of control.

160 When the war starts, The  media should be some of the first targets.

161 and remember, Romney accepted the MSM's terms of service agreement by: accepting Candy as a moderator when she announced she's a co-debate participant. accepting the questions about the feminist lie of unequal pay and not telling her to shove it. not defending W. There's more

162 That was The Right Network.  It actually was conservative, and had a few good videos on it.  But it never took off.

163 isn't there some sort of AD&D spell that we can do to swap out what's left of Ace's soul for Breitbart's? I'm willing to spill someone else's blood if that's what it takes. I'll even use my special 20 sided die to make sure the spell works.

164 And since they're not going to do it, what are we going to do about it?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 24, 2013 03:55 PM (8y9MW)

First, get a billion dollars...

165

Wait... Ace is enraged....

 

Per the prior post....

 

If Cute = Anger.... Anger= Cute...

 

Then... Ace.... being cute?

166 unsock

167

Why not just call the media the DMM - Democratic Media Machine, label reports as Democrats, David Gregory Democrat, ABC News Democrat, ...

It is a simple low cost easy way to start repositiioning them.

168 Unfortunately, the ones who will be affected the most and wake up some day and say "how did we let this happen?"  "How did we become a totalitarian state?" Are the ones either choosing not to pay attention or to busy working raising families to pay attention. 

College kids love their freedoms and could be coaxed to pay close attention with "freedom alerts" but there too, they are to busy exploring and enjoying their new found freedoms away from parental watch, to pay close attention.

169 I don't think there is any solution until the people see they were duped, and that will require pain.

170

Ace,
What's that Mencken quote in your header again??

Posted by: JDW at January 24, 2013 04:07 PM (g2rsW)

171 "2 Even I have to admit to being amazed at that guy from CNN that wrote Obama a love letter every day of his first term. And I am cynical. Posted by: Guy Mohawk" The heart wants what the heart wants.

172
...but it was at least good to get that off my chest.

Are you familiar with the phrase dope slap?

A dope slap is given upside the head when someone acts like a dope. You are, essentially, knocking sense into that person.

The Republicans need a dope slap every time they get rolled by the media. They'll learn, eventually.

173 I'd agree with everything ace wrote except the part about the press not being taken over by the government but going willingly. I think they had some hearings in the 60s or 70s where the commies admitted to purposely targeting the media and Hollywood to take them over.

174 So what do we do with the folks on our side who gleefully participate in destroying Conservatives, particularly Conservative women.  There were just as many folks on the Right working to destroy Palin as there were on the Left?  I am not proposing to re-fight the Palin wars with anyone, but, had she been a Liberal, she would have been President instead of Obama.  The Left does not have anyone near as attractive as she is and had she been a Liberal, all her little foibles would have been heralded as "cute".  My goodness gracious, as just plain ugly, gawky, and angry as Mooch is--the Left declared all her fashion disasters and diplomatic blunders as being "fashion forward and daring". 

Morph the physical Sarah into Mooch or Hillary politically and then try to imagine the gush.

175
My local newspaper was purchased by the ex-wife of a pioneering cellphone billionaire with money to burn. When she started making changes in the editorial stance, the local pinkos started screaming. When she fired some of the insubordinate editors, the remaining commie cocksuckers at the paper started the unionization process, not because they wanted to be union, but because it was an effective way to insulate themselves from receiving pink slips due to CA's anti-labor retaliation laws.

Just because you own a media outlet doesn't mean that you will be allowed to actually change its political orientation.

176 157 Donna,

Your brother is a defacto Elmer Fudd then.

Gang rent seekers that should be allied with us are joining them because it is easy, "cool", and they think they will get eaten last....

as we lose liberties we have a duty to ally with elements of the insane should be suicide donk coalition and punish the rent seekers who should be with us.

Where our people hold power we need to start demanding our guys be just as partisan in patronage and good old boy network games...

if you are in our areas and you are not with us FUCK YOU it is how the left plays the game.

177 Alternatively, if Glenn Beck gets a real network going he can hire Iowahawk...

Posted by: Ian S. at January 24, 2013 04:08 PM (B/VB5)

This is the sort of thing, but we need it X 1000.

178 Might we just use them to feed the poor?

179 Very well said, Ace.  Your posts today have been A-One throughout.

180

Ban the Assault Media. TV & Radio were invented as weapons of war, as was the Internet. Let 'em stand on a soap box in the public square and shout and slobber on 0bammy's cock there. How many media outlets do you need to kill a deeeeeeeer? Or to kill a Constitution, one which they piss down on the Second from the lofty perch of the First, and squatting a pretty good loaf on that one too.

 

(see what I did there, one two?)

181

Well that's why a conservative group needs to buy one of the major three network.  Probably CBS or NBC.

 

No ideological bent either way.  IF PEOPLE ACTUALLY REPORTED ON THE FACTS OF LIFE, THAT IS THE CONSERVATIVE MESSAGE RIGHT THERE.

 

And I would like to see a pure conservative alternative to MSNBC.

 

Those should happen.  And buy one of the fucking newspapers that suck, and just make it report on the fucking facts and actually investigate fucking stories.  Remember Fox News broke GWB's DUI right before the election.  Every time someone tells you they are incredibly biased throw that in their face.

182 We say this but we, self-included despite my best efforts, still give the chattering Left way too much traffic and attention. I really think we need to starve them, starting with the easy targets like BuzzFeed, Politico, Salon... Taking on the networks will be more difficult, but since they seem to just be a conduit for the liberal blogs, let's cut off their sources of material.

183

Say, George, I appreciate that you and your networkare an advocate of leftist views, but I hope you will listen to the facts.

 

WAY too polite.   I'd advocate something like, "George, I appreciate that you're the propaganda    arm    of the     left-wing   political   establishment,   but    I think we can both agree that your audience deserves    some actual facts to chew on instead of the     painkilller       platitudes    you like to feed them    to keep them docile.   We're talking to people here, not livestock.   I understand that you dont' recognize the difference, but I do."

184 We need conservatives to infiltrate journalism like the leftists did.  Same with education.  Just smile and nod until you have power.  Then, bring it all down on their heads.  We know their talking points.  I've seen some of the trolls here.  We can imitate them better than they can imitate themselves.  And we're hardworking.  It's all there.  People just need to be brave, and ruthless, and coordinated, and do it. 

185 Anyone else concerned that @zerohedge's more indecipherable tweets are really coded messages aimed at activating sleeper cells? OT, but funny. From Jonah Goldberg's Twitter feed: Anyone else concerned that @zerohedge's more indecipherable tweets are really coded messages aimed at activating sleeper cells?

186 Alternatively, if Glenn Beck gets a real network going he can hire Iowahawk... And Mark Steyn. Most important will be editorial control. Fox News must not be repeated. There must be a direction.

187 162 Emily L,

trust me it is in the manual....

None of this is insurmountable but it is sorely not wanted and not loved if it ever happens.

Our nation will be fucked and the world will be fucked.

188 Pair the street-smart stylings of Ace with the sesquipedalian libertarian talents of Jeff Goldstein, put in on teh Interwebs and BAM! _ wait ....

189 First, get a billion dollars...

I wonder if we could go Fairey/Banksy. Apply for some art grants, buy some spray paint (we're all over 18 and have ID to prove it, right?), and start covering every urban surface with "BARACK OBAMA IS A STUTTERING CLUSTERFUCK OF A MISERABLE FAILURE/TYRANT/FASCIST".  Or, for the hipsters, the QR code for such.

Oh, wait, conservatives don't think committing property crimes is awesome.  Dammit.

190 I already refuse to give them money directly, and I steal from them every chance I get. I'm not sure what, short of actual target assassinations, that I can do further to Fight the Power.

191 Well I think a better approach than crying "media figures are biased" is shouting "left leaning media figures refuse to disclose their biases"   

We should boycott ADM until snuffleopagous is gone and also make clear that we will boycott the RNC and any individual GOP pols who go on his show --UNLESS he agrees to ID as a democrat party supporter multiple times during his *news* show.  

192 We have met the enemy and he is us...

193 Outstanding post, Ace.

194

 

We need our own 'hand sign'.

 

If we're going to be the resistance...we need to act like the resistance.

 

In the Hunger Games, they have that 3-finger hand sign.

That is a powerful scene...when the people silently hold up their hands using that hand sign.

 

I think we should steal Spock's hand sign...the 'V-split' with fingers.

"Live long and prosper".

That has a conservative ring to it.

 

And the Vulcan's believed in Logic.

Conservatism is based on logic...whereas, Liberalism is an insistence on policies that are illogical.

 

So, let's steal the Vulcan V-sign....as the sign of conservative resistance. 

It's not copyrighted.

 

 

195 The election showed we underestimated the influence of the MFM because WE aren't influenced by them

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 04:10 PM (Dnbau)

Some of us never underestimated their influence.  I said four years ago that I wasn't sure we could win the next election, so maybe we ought to take a page out of Obama's book and GET THE MOTHERFUCKER DISQUALIFIED!!!!!!!!

A lot of others thought that was just crazy, but look how it turned out.

196

Look, I can prove my method works with a simple experiment.

 

First, take a liberal off of the street and put him into a box.  Have a hole cut in the top that is large enough for him to stick his head out.

 

Next, every time the liberal sticks his head out of the hole, smack him hard on his nose.  Be very dilegent and keep at it 24 hours a day.  It's very important that every time he sticks his head up, he gets smacked. 

 

It may take a few weeks, but you will find that, even though the liberal is industrial-grade stupid, he will learn not to stick his head out of the box.

 

The same concept holds true with bitch slapping them with words on television.

197 we do have a somewhat  news  cbs, and the sharyl atkinson deal benghazi.

her tweet a few hours ago  ..
Google "CBS news"&"Benghazi timeline" for the best timeline. All the CBS folks contributed to put this together last Nov. Great resource

it says ALL the CBS contributed to  it.

so soem are not quite gone?

198

I wish Trump had hidden behind a proxy to purchase the Slimes since we all know they'd never sell to *him*. He should've gone through a third party, darn it.

 

As for Fox, they are  in bed with the bad guys  --  I'll never forget the edict from on-high after O was elected in '08, the way they bloodied Perry while protecting all the other candidates'  screw-ups (they never attacked Romney for "I can't have illegals, I'm running for office, for Pete's sake!" and they became sleazy Cain's defense attorney 24/7), the fact that Arab princes own huge shares, the way they fired Glen Beck, etc. In fact, imo, I believe Fox is more dangerous than MSNBC: conservatives are so duped by Fox's "conservative cred" that they'll believe them when they pull the wool over their eyes; a feat MSNBC could never pull off.

199

Anyone else concerned that @zerohedge's more indecipherable tweets are really coded messages aimed at activating sleeper cells?

 

 

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 24, 2013 04:26 PM (RWS3b)

 

 

The First Rule of Sleeper Cells.... is don't talk about sleeper cells....

 

 

and.... John has a mustache.... I say again... John has a mustache...

200 In any dynamic where two groups who were designed to be adversaries instead become symbiotic, it's really no surprise the result is catastrophic to the system.

Note I said "designed to be adversaries" - it is part of the design.

201
put in on teh Interwebs and...

I was one of the handful of people who listened to them almost all the time!

202

Who wants our money today?

 

Glen Beck, PJ TV, Ricochet...

 

Who else?

203

"People just need to be brave, and ruthless, and coordinated, and do it. "

 

I'll take "Name Three Things Republicans Don't Posess" for $200, Alex.

204 Everybody pull the plug on your cable/dish contract. It is the only way to affect the media-government complex.

It won't affect them at all, not to any degree they'd even notice.

Even if there were widespread, prolonged boycott participation among Republicans (and there wouldn't be), the end result would be a viewership that was that much more liberal.  It would then be in their best interests to compete with each other by pandering to their diminished but more liberal audience.

Instead of an ineffective boycott that won't happen anyways, the other option is the opposite of what you suggest.  Go out of your way to support the rare birds in the media who do make an effort to be impartial.  Make it profitable to do the right thing.

That doesn't mean leaving Fox News on all the time, it would have to include CBS, ABC, etc (I'm leaving out NBC, fuck those guys).

205 A lot of others thought that was just crazy, but look how it turned out.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 24, 2013 04:28 PM (bb5+k)

in fairness it Does Seem crazy.

yet here we are.

206 Just think how much Fox could improve just by replacing Ted Baxter with an hour of one or two decent reporters and Mark Steyn for commentary/interviews.

207 As above we need some sort of shibbolleth I suggest we use the word "shibbolleth" but keep the second 'b' silent. That way we'll know.

208

I have a theory I would like to throw out there.

 

It seems to me that true liberals and conservatives are merging together, whilst the special interest politicians (on right and left, though mostly left) are slowly becoming one and the same.

 

What I mean by this is that whether it's the Ron Paul followers or whomever, people are beginning to become very nervous about government power and intrusion in our daily lives.  THIS NEEDS TO BE HARNESSED BECAUSE IT IS OUR VERY MESSAGE.  This wins elections.  This clarifies all.  Limited government, free people.  An all powerful, all intrusive FEDERAL government is the enemy of its people and must be stopped.

 

I actually think the leftists miscalculated and fucked up in a big way this time with their true secret desire of a gun grab.  That has woken all stripes WAY THE FUCK UP.  And unified and clarified what is going on here.

 

We shall see.  I see a potential conservative revolution on the horizon.  We should be what we always should have been.  Small government, low taxes, free people, and that's it.

209 It is worse than you think.  The so-called media get their stories from the white house, and the white house clears stories for the media.  The only solution is to let it bankrupt/burn.

210 We need our own 'hand sign'. I've been using the New Jersey Crotch Grab for years. I got yer media rihcheer.

211 and.... John has a mustache.... I say again... John has a mustache... Did not copy. Please speak directly into the tie tac.

212 so soem are not quite gone?

Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 04:28 PM (nqBYe)

I have a feeling Sharyl will be found on park bench somewhere.

213 Has somebody already pointed out that rich guys don't get rich by buying money losing businesses.  The MFM is just taking a long time to die because it's funded by THEIR rich guys.

How about just obscene MST3K voice-overs detailing their BS.

214 >>Who else? Newsbusters

215 I have a feeling Sharyl will be found on park bench somewhere.

Posted by: EC at January 24, 2013 04:31 PM (GQ8sn)

  Didn't she also try to expose Fast and Furious?

216 Wounds my heart with monotonous languor _

217 Unfortunately conservative leaning people are not drawn to the profession of journalism. Face it, journalism is mostly wanting to hear yourself on the newsor see yourself in print. Its about having an outlet to express your views and not about the desire to report events in a objective manner.

Conservatives are drawn to the military, engineering and law enforcement.Professions that create tangible items. Professions that protect the weak. Conservatives are drawn to objective pursuits. Liberals aredrawn to subjective pursuits.

Posted by: polynikes at January 24, 2013 04:13 PM (m2CN7)

I have constantly made this point over the years.

Liberals gravitate towards journalism and media, conservatives want to do something actually worthwhile.

218 157 Dope Slap
Posted by: soothsayer at January 24, 2013 04:24 PM (9Q7Nu)


How's this for an unnecessarily complex idea.

1) Donate funds to GOP to be used for 20xx campaign.

2) Funds are held in escrow and unlocked for GOP/candidate use on X-date (in the future)

3) Between now and then, we can reduce our donation somehow (take it back or delay the release period)

4) GOP idiots act idiotic and see an immediate decrease in their 'campaign bank/escrow account'

5) GOP idiot does something good and the funds 're-authorized' to go to them in the next election goes up.

This gives them something tangible now to focus on.  Eh, just a stupid idea but whatevs...

219

PJ TV: $5-29/mo

 

G Beck: $9.95/mo

 

Ricochet: $3.87/mo

220 So, let's steal the Vulcan V-sign....as the sign of conservative resistance. It's not copyrighted. Neither is "the bird". AND, it's universally recognized.

221
Liberals gravitate towards journalism and media, conservatives want to do something actually worthwhile.

And we need to start convincing conservatives that protecting the culture by actively engaging in the media is "actually worthwhile."

222 and the media wll certainly pick the next President as they have the last two elections
now they know how to use their asset  to the fullest .

223 211 Prescient11!,

Guys the best way to protect the founding may be the kill the federal Government and start over.

Then we can try to ally with the radical left, and the lunatic fringe.

I am just about as hawkish as anyone here and I see the writing on the wall...they are really gonna nuke the military...

"we can't afford it" and "we need uh to show the world ah uh peace" without a military why are we together as a nation?

The economy?

You mean the one the EPA actively undermines?

The dollar?

You mean the dollar Timmy Turbo actively debauches?

Article V the fucker break up into regional enclaves and start over.

224 i don't have time to read your entire entire piece...but obviously we are in dire straights.  The hand-in-glove working together wrt Newtown is actually shocking...even after decades of obvious liberal 'bias'.

it is no long bias...it is the palace press, that is all.

Tactically we must confront.  Pols are terrified of the press....the thing about don't upset people who buy ink by the barrel.  But we must.  We must talk directly to them, we must shame them, ridicule them to their face.

We, the people and the pols must do this.  Afflict the comfortable, comfort the afflicted.

We need to afflict them

225 So what do we do with the folks on our side who gleefully participate in destroying Conservatives, particularly Conservative women. They aren't on our side. Reagan's 11th, corollary: Whoever shoots at you when you're over the target is the enemy.

226 Were members of the media Liberal they wold be able to be shamed into doing their jobs properly. They're commies, though, so everything you're seeing as a failure is according to plan for them.

227 Find those few brave reporters who have  occasionally  spoke the truth and try to work on them, like Atkinson, and less frequently Tapper...

228 And we need to start convincing conservatives that protecting the culture by actively engaging in the media is "actually worthwhile."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 24, 2013 04:34 PM (8y9MW)

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Let's start with getting them to vote on bills the way we want first, and work our way up.

229 Best post ever, Ace. EVER.

This is it, in a nutshell.

We're headed for some mixture of 1984 and Brave New World. And you don't need government-run media when the allegedly free press is willing--nay, eager--to do the government's bidding. That's where we are.

Torch-bearing mobs outside the network news divisions or the NYT? It might come to that.

230 Didn't she also try to expose Fast and Furious?

Yes, that was her too. 

231

WAY too polite. I'd advocate something like, "George, I appreciate that you're the propaganda arm of the left-wing political establishment, but I think we can both agree that your audience deserves some actual facts to chew on instead of thepainkilller platitudes you like to feed them to keep them docile. We're talking to people here, not livestock. I understand that you dont' recognize the difference, but I do."

 

How about,"That's just  not true, George." Followed by the facts.

 

That's what galls me the most. Our  economy is in the shitter as a direct result of too much government. Case in point: the CRA caused the housing crash. The figures are easily obtainable, everybody here knows most of them. Yet Pubbies never, ever say them. At. All.

232

The other thing is messaging.

 

When engaging the media, don't say this is my point of view.  When possible, say these are the facts.

 

Also, use their nancy emotions against them.   One of the most clever of all tricks is to personalize things, and make your indisputable personal feelings as applicable to the facts.

 

In other words:  "I just feel that we need to look at every way we can to pass common sense laws that would prevent such a tragedy."

 

See the trick, your feeling about trying to do something to stop killing kids CANNOT BE QUESTIONED.

 

But the object of that sentence:  "common sense laws COULD prevent such a tragedy" 99/100 will go unquestioned because it is snuck in there with your very justifiable emotion.

 

The Harvard Negotiation Project was actually quite well, and conservatives would do well to learn and destroy liberals.

233 So, let's steal the Vulcan V-sign....as the sign of conservative resistance.
It's not copyrighted.

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2013 04:28 PM (fH4X9)

That comes from Judaism.  The Jews might have it copyrighted.  :-D

234 Wake me up when the House Republicans zero out the federal funding of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

235 and the media wll certainly pick the next President as they have the last two elections
now they know how to use their asset to the fullest .

Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 04:34 PM (nqBYe)

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They did that yesterday

236 230 Donna,

Donna I really don't think Tapper is who you think he is.

Sorry.

237 "171 Unions are getting hammered, and many of their pension fiascos are starting to be noticed. There are a few things moving in our direction. " Unions in Michigan have failed miserably in trying to get their way. There were two very pro union ballot proposals in the November election. They funded tv ads about "for the children", "safety of children", "care for elderly and veterans". These ads were run constantly and they were very well done. They had to have spent a fortune. I really believed that the proposals would pass and they failed, in Michigan, the union state of all union states.

238 I work in TV news. The answer to making the MSM honest is really simple. E mail or call their sponsors en masse. Tell them as king as they advertise on (insert network, newspaper, whatever here) you will not buy their product or use their service. Tell them you will tell everyone you know to do the same. When they ask why? You simply want the news to be balanced. Balanced does not mean a fleeting snarky reference to non liberal viewpoints. It means equal time and respect. This will work. These people are in business to make money. That's all that matters.

239

Isn't Fox News a conservative news agency?

I don't see why there would need to be a new start-up conservative news agency if there already exists Fox.

Why not just support and strengthen Fox?

240 Who else?

MRC (Newsbusters parent)

241 Oh, wait, conservatives don't think committing property crimes is awesome. Dammit. I dunno, a giant mural of Obama going down on Reggie in the middle of Manhattan would be kind of amazing, property crime or not.

242 all is proceeding as planned.

243

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 24, 2013 04:30 PM (tVTLU)

 

 

Good point... but when you have Republicans just yesterday doing TWO things which directly contradict the written word of the Consitution....

 

ie.... Congress SHALL be paid.... and only Congress can increase the debt....

 

Yet.... yesterday... they voted to not pay Congress, AND to suspend the debt ceiling...

 

When the Party named for defending the Republic, does not even try to follow the Clearly written Constitution??? but try to jerrymander around it?

244 237 filbert,

Guy what the hell are you talking about?

The entire federal machine being defacto damn near the enemy is what we are talking about.

They cannot stop an Art V.

245 Donna I really don't think Tapper is who you think he is.

Sorry.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 04:36 PM (LRFds)

  You're right, but there was a moment there when he did show some promise...

246 Let's start with getting them to vote on bills the way we want first, and work our way up.

I wasn't starting with politicians at all.  In fact, if I had my way every Republican currently in office at the National Level would find themselves out of work by 2019.

I'm talking about those scientists, engineers, and business people you were talking about.

247

223 So, let's steal the Vulcan V-sign....as the sign of conservative resistance.
 

It's not copyrighted.

 

 

Neither is "the bird". AND, it's universally recognized.

 

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Yeah, but it is profane...and while it does apply, it would be easily dismissed.

 

The Vulcan V-sign could also be our call for an Article V Convention.

 

248

177  So what do we do with the folks on our side who gleefully participate in destroying Conservatives, particularly Conservative women. There were just as many folks on the Right working to destroy Palin as there were on the Left?

 

This was one of the saddest chapters in the history of conservatives.  Some people wanted the left to view them as "reasonable" and "fellow intellectuals" so badly, they turned on their own.

 

Hopefully, people have learned from the experience.

249

Posted by: boo at January 24, 2013 04:37 PM (oKFz+)

 

IMO Fox is a MODERATE new agency.... farther Right than the rest... but not as Right as a large portion of the country.

250

I listed 3 places that will take your money right now, no waiting.

 

If you spend your money on conservative media, they will grow.

251 Isn't Fox News a conservative news agency? I would argue that any network that employess Geraldo and Shep is not conservative. Res ipsa loquitur

252 248 Donna,

No the hope thing's okay I get it, and he is probably a genuine moderate but if he were truly angry at his editor's games he'd go public and go to Fox not CNN....

we're dying

253 The reality is that until someone (outside of blogs and conservative talk show hosts) challenges the media - they have no reason to change.

Republicans should be on the forefront of this - challenging the "journalists" every time they are interviewed.  Pointing out specifics.  Carrying around a CD with evidence of obvious bias and saying - put this on the air right now and we'll discuss it.

As long as the GOP establishment plays the game and pretends the media is non-partisan, the media has credibility and do whatever it wants.  If the GOP stopped playing the game and called it like it is, it would be a start.

I'm not saying refuse to do interview or go on shows.  I'm saying that during each interview call out the interviewer for being a partisan advocate (with some specific examples) and stating that he/she does not report honestly or objectively and telling the audience that they can't believe what the person reports. 

Do the same on news shows, talk shows and the Sunday shows. 

the media will go nuts and defend itself - but it will start the actual conversation that the mushy middle never hears (for all our complaints, people who don't follow politics and still watch CNN or NBC news still believe it is objective - they never even hear our complaints).

But of course, the GOP will never grow such a spine.  If all GOP members did this and did it constantly and aggressively, it would work.  Because even the "mainstream media" has to cover the GOP.  Sure, they'll try to edit it out - but just keep saying it - particularly during live segments. 

Yes, these GOP insiders will lose whatever "relationship" they have with the media figures - but they need to wake up and realize that they are not getting any benefit from the "relationship". 

Stop playing the silly "gentlemen" part and play for keeps.  talk truth to power.  And the reality is that the media is power.  So that is who truth needs to be spoken to.

This will, of course, never happen.

254 Fame appeals to everyone. Become a citizen journalist to acquire a reputation for integrity so that your opinion cannot be easily dismissed when it's asked for.

255
Isn't Fox News a conservative news agency?

No.

256

Ace wrote, "I don't think I'm being alarmist. At every point in history when media power has fused with government power -- whether involuntarily or, for one of the first times in history, now voluntarily -- it has resulted in disaster and misery."

 

No, you aren't being an alarmist. In the 2004 Bush/Kerry contest, one of Kerry's campaign people (I forget who) opined that positive media coverage was worth (ballpark) 15 percentage points in the polls, which in turn translated to millions and millions of dollars in free (and very sympathetic) media exposure. Given that the MSM has openly committed itself to supporting Obama's 'transformational' policies and is now the de facto agitprop division of the Democratic Party, the MSM's ability to sway and manipulate public opinion is even more powerful--and virtually impossible to counter, at least in kind.

 

That disaster and misery you're talking about? Those are byproducts of tyranny. Soon, we'll be living in an authoritarian, overtly socialist state. Not 'probably' or 'possibly', but certainly. And once we are, Marxist socialists will start doing what they always do and people whom the State views as enemies are going to be subjected to official harrassment of all kinds: tax audits, media character assassination, regulatory action against their businesses, jail.

 

So what to do? I recommend (initally nonviolent) resistance: speak out, march, protest, organize, talk freedom and found principles to all who will listen. Those whose names don't appear on the enemies' list of regimes evil and slimy enough to keep an enemies' list aren't trying hard enough.

257 172 I don't think there is any solution until the people see they were duped, and that will require pain.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 24, 2013 04:24 PM (zpqa2)

***

This^^^

There's a reason the Mob uses guys named Rocco to get their point across. People are so fucking dense in this country they need the stupid beat out of them. A decade of destitution should do the trick.  Obama the messiah is, ironically and metaphorically Rocco.

258 Case in point: the CRA caused the housing crash. The figures are easily obtainable, everybody here knows most of them. Yet Pubbies never, ever say them. At. All. Those that don't, don't, because they are in on it.

259 Why not just support and strengthen Fox? It is a good point. Anybody know Rupert Murdoch? His station needs straightening out.

260 You can't stop the signal, Ace.

261

Sven:  Absolutely.

 

But dealing with George S.  You can't say that, "It's just not true George..."

 

YOU NEED TO IDENTIFY THIS FUCK AS A POLITICAL OPERATIVE OF THE LEFT.

 

Since he's a leftist, then you can proceed.  But the idea that he's trying in the least to be objective is hysterical.  We all come with our own thoughts and biases.  Brit Hume's excellent commentary on what a journalist should be is to recognize the bias, fight against it, and try to fully report the facts in a complete as a manner as you can.

 

That is exactly correct.  Contrast that with the lefty/stalinist media of today that openly advocates for leftists and buries any inconvenient facts and in fact changes FUCKING EVIDENCE to make it seem like a guy had racial motives for a shooting, when that couldn't be FURTHER FROM THE FUCKING TRUTH of that audio.

 

I hope he bankrupts NBC, those slimy fucking bastards.

262

247....They cannot stop an Art V.

 

*holds up hand in a Vulcan V-sign*

 

263 260 troyriser,

Why do you think I explained to my wife and son that the day may come where I have to vanish and they have to renounce me to get her pension?

I know exactly who that jugeared fuck WANTS to be.

264 ace you're dead on the money. the lack of any adversarial press is one of the most important, biggest failings of our society. there is simply no check on government power now. there is no shame, no ownership of consequences, no cerncern whatsoever. you're correct to point out that the only times in history when this happened were very dark days for individual freedoms. 

265 When they ask why? You simply want the news to be balanced. Balanced does not mean a fleeting snarky reference to non liberal viewpoints. It means equal time and respect. This will work. These people are in business to make money. That's all that matters.

Posted by: Tv guy at January 24, 2013 04:36 PM (x3MHE)

What i want more is just facts , truth,  how can one be politically engaged or at all engaged in world events when they are skewed to Help  politicians?

266 Eight fingers for Martin Van Buren?

267 re: "It's the way the Left did it; it's the way we should do it."

See that gate? CLOSED. It's after hours.

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Also, for commie Ace: So we have this sustained absence of billionaire (or even several-millions-aire) patrons of non-lefty media type stuff. Not even the Kochs do it; their reputation is about 98% bullshit (especially David's). In blogland, not even Ace/McCain/Goldstein/&c. are offered a minimum-wage-equivalent grant to maintain their already independently established very large voices for the cause. All the properly funded con and libertarian outlets are extreme squish.

Maybe this is meaningful.

Does it mean "Well of course billionaires can't have anything to do with the sort of idiot scum that all of us non-leftists are..." or "Well of course they're just cognizant of their own interests; you don't get to become and stay a billionaire in this country without the state's continuing grace..."

?

268 267 wheatie,

and there it is....

Article V and the Vulcan sign or peace sign....

the donks are still warring....we could get mother sheehan by saying "we are out of control break it up shut it down take their power let the states get back to work....

Art V and Spock sign

269 What i want more is just facts , truth, how can one be politically engaged or at all engaged in world events when they are skewed to Help politicians?

Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 04:41 PM (nqBYe)

If we could get back to that (ok maybe it never was exactly that) it would be great. But people now want to be told how to think about stuff, and what it means...

270 How about pop up video with fact bubbles to give on the spot fact checks to our media "betters" and politicians.

271 Eight fingers for Martin Van Buren? That was it when I was bangin'!!!

272 You simply want the news to be balanced. Not really. Half falsehoods and half truth? No, not interested.

273 192 First, get a billion dollars... I wonder if we could go Fairey/Banksy. Apply for some art grants, buy some spray paint (we're all over 18 and have ID to prove it, right?), and start covering every urban surface with "BARACK OBAMA IS A STUTTERING CLUSTERFUCK OF A MISERABLE FAILURE/TYRANT/FASCIST". Or, for the hipsters, the QR code for such. Oh, wait, conservatives don't think committing property crimes is awesome. Dammit. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 24, 2013 04:27 PM (ZKzr --------------------- That's really not a bad idea. What you said and something simple along the lines of "Frodo lives"!!

274 I dunno, a giant mural of Obama going down on Reggie in the middle of Manhattan would be kind of amazing, property crime or not. Guerrilla art, not just on the Internet. It needs to start sprouting up EVERYWHERE. And I love the Vulcan/V-sign/Art V gesture thing, but my hands just won't do that right, dammit...

275 and what about threateningt their sponsers with  lack of business  , petitions etc..( I think it's really icky, but)   What worked for them might for us?

276 HAHAHAHA!!!!

Go look at the pic on Drudge right now for a good ol' belly laugh!

277

Okay, I'm now a card carrying member of Ricochet.

 

It sounds so...violent.(fake shudder)

278 Haven't read the entire thread, so apologies if someone has already mentioned this:

The media exists for one and one reason only: to sell advertising. That is what keeps them in business. If there is a successful campaign against advertisers, they will pull their ads and said media outlets, and media outlets will have no way to pay their bills.

Let the media burn. Cut off their ad money and they have NOTHING.

As an aside, the Christian group the American Family Association seems to have good luck with boycotts. It might be useful if a group like that could somehow get involved with the media bias/culture war issue.

279 The question is moot. Wait ...

280 Remember when Obama first started making his run and with just a little amateur research the mother/father/grandparent/FM Davis communist connection was right there.

The connections to all of the Chicago communist machine including Ayers/ Annenburg and Alinski and belief in Constitutional Negative Rights???, and Cloward Piven.


The LA Times Rashid Khalidi blackout.

The white washing of the transcript/passport/BC vanishings.

All of this was allowed to go by the board with us fighting only amongst ourselves.

No wonder they are so bold now.

 

281 Go look at the pic on Drudge right now for a good ol' belly laugh! See? THAT's how you do it. "Fair and balanced" is bullshit.

282 Beck falls under the Michael Savage category of paranoid hysteria.

Posted by: JDP at January 24, 2013 04:41 PM (60GaT)

Savage has the abrasiveness or Mark Levin without the underlying intelligence.  Beck is just an emotional trainwreck; he's very good at his research but when he goes the full Boehner I just tune him out.

283 racially insensitive yo


And also really fucking funny!

284

273 267 wheatie,

and there it is....

Article V and the Vulcan sign or peace sign....

the donks are still warring....we could get mother sheehan by saying "we are out of control break it up shut it down take their power let the states get back to work....

Art V and Spock sign

 

----------

 

The Vulcan V-sign is stronger looking than the two-finger peace sign.

 

And it fits, doesn't it?

 

V = Article V Convention.

 

Most people don't even know what 'Article V' stands for.

If we could get some videos up...of some people around the country, holding up the V-sign...it would create awareness.

 

 

285 Go look at the pic on Drudge right now for a good ol' belly laugh! Flies are attracted to shit. N

286

Another reason why Fox is almost  completely useless is that they are ostriches  who refuse to recognize that O is doing all this ON PURPOSE. They love to pretend that O is merely incompetant.  BO'R is particularly guilty of this.  Sticking one's head in the sand is how infilration succeeds.  Fox is wilfully obtuse and therefore dangerous.

287 I think we just need to nominate a candidate who isnt like on the competition ala Romney. Christie, Bush cant get the nomination

288 STEP 1 in the battle plan is to DEFEND OUR OWN AND NOT LEAVE THEM ON THE BATTLEFIELD AFTER BEING GANG RAPED BY THE MEDIA you describe. See, Palin, Sarah. A billionaire could buy 5 networks, but if we don't do STEP 1, it won't mean shit.

289

Glenn Beck started a network called The Blaze. Am I the only one familiar with this effort? He has sunk quite a bit of money into it. I believe it is now called Mercury?

Quit complaining. Give it a free try-out for two weeks.

 

290 I would argue that any network that employess Geraldo and Shep is not conservative. Res ipsa loquitur

Posted by: toby928© presents another finely crafted comment at January 24, 2013 04:39 PM (QupBk)

(sOx93)

Fox puts on conservative opinion shows and its reporters/anchors are more conservative than CNN, ABC, CBS, etc., but it is hardly a "conservative" outlet in the sense that the left portrays it.  and they don't aggressively attack other news outlets for being partisan and they don't really even chase many stories other outlets are not chasing. 

For all the left's wailing about Fox - it really is not that much different than any other news channel - except that it puts on conservative opinion shows.

291 Fineswine ban list: http://tinyurl.com/b7kmeej

292 what if we petitioned  ag ainst sponsers of Newsgroups  using  NRA sites  , and blogs  etc, whatever we have available to us to threaten their financial bottom line by cutting off a large portion of  the populations   funds to them?
sending petitions around  to every group we can come up with/
?

293 Once again, I think there is one major thing we must do: we must make the left own the economy. They have been very successful in blaming all ills on the Republicans. Unemployment? Still W's fault! Senate doesn't ever pass a budget? That's because the Senate doesn't have a super-majority and "the Republicans won't permit anything to get done." (It's actually convenient to the left that they don't have control of the House; they can say "well we had these awesome plans and those bastards in the House wouldn't go along with them", and there you go, free pass.) We are not able to get spending cuts. We are not able to even get reductions in the rate of increase of spending. We cannot block the effects of Obamacare. This means that the already-sucky economy is going to become much, much worse. Hyperinflation? Default on debts? Social Security imploding? I don't know for sure what will happen but it will not be good. A grim scenario: we don't get any sort of balance in news reporting, then the Republican candidate becomes President, and then one or two years later the crash happens. The news media will tell everyone that the crash was due to the poor choices of the Republican President (no matter who he or she is). Another grim scenario: a Democrat President responds to the crash emergency by consolidating Presidential power into a de facto dictatorship, with the news media cheering, so that it no longer matters whom the populace blames. I don't want a crash at all, but I'm expecting one, and the only hope for the future is to make the left own the crash. We need more than half the voting people to put the blame in the correct spot; that should be possible (all the right-wing voters will do it, we just need to convince the "independents"). I wish the Republicans in the House and Senate would start voting "Present" and just Let It Burn. It's horrible to wish that the voters get what they voted for, but the best-case scenario is that the crash happens right before the Presidential election and the voters blame the Democrats for the crash. P.S. I'll end on a happy note: It's a slim chance, but potentially the day could be saved by some sort of game-changing technology innovation. Just as the Internet bubble made the Clinton Presidency a happy time, potentially some new tech boom (nanotechnology?) could flood the world with more real wealth. If the left holds the reins of power, the additional money will just be spent, but with fiscally responsible people in power, maybe a tech boom could stave off the crash completely. Note that this is assuming the boom happens in the USA, and not in China.

294 The media exists for one and one reason only: to sell advertising. That is what keeps them in business. That used to be true. Now, I'm not so sure. Look at the ratings for MSNBC and CNN and the like. They are at the absolute bottom and there are still advertisers and the shows are still on the air. Hell, I think many companies are making the determination that they can piss off the Right and still make money. Look at Carbonite. ProFlowers. Groupon. They might ultimately end up going under but that appears to be a chance they are willing to take.

295

Romeo:

 

The part about not paying them is actually ok.  the amendment was about increasing salaries.

 

And Congress did authorize a slight increase of the debt ceiling via its statement that we can pay our bills for 3 more months until a deal is in place.

 

That one I don't think came close to the edge.  What I am very concerned about is the NDAA, the storing of all emails by the NSA, etc.  Those have been supported by pubs and MUST BE OPPOSED.

296 Posted by: sven10077 at January 24, 2013 04:37 PM (LRFds)

It was simply my opening gambit.

The culture war is pretty much completely lost at this point.  The left no longer believes they even need to engage conservatives and classical liberals except to harass and mock them (us).

I honestly don't see how we get out of this cultural death spiral without Letting It Burn.

297 I like the idea of people going out at night all around the country and spray painting and marking up public places and such with washable chalk/paint with the total National Debt.  High profile stunts, such as using a laser-splitter to display the National Debt over-top a times square billboard.

298 Yeah the fly picture of obama is funny... Maybe it's the beginning of the 10 plagues against the House Obama....

299 Instead of getting someone to buy the NY Times, maybe we could find someone to help fund and rebuild The New York Sun, which was trying to become a broadsheet competitor to the NY Times, until the crash of 2008 forced them to retreat to online publishing. At the moment,they clearly don't have the funds to do extensive reporting, but at their height, they were doing a great job, and Seth Lipsky is still in charge. They have some real advantages as a competitor to the Times-- an urbane writing style, and coverage of the other things that New Yorkers buy the Times for--arts,culture, restaurants. (They need a serious crossword constructor). At the very least, they could eat into the Times base at newstand/home subscription level.

300 As much as some people are still insanely butthurt when the "P-word" comes up, it's not only a perfect example of the Left-Media Complex, but was a precursor and precedent for what's been done to the TEA Party. The latter case was actually more subtle because big chunks of The Right had already been cowed / divided by the Palin Fiasco, so not as much effort on the part of the MFM was required. MFM delenda est.

301 I'm not a Libertarian but I would buy a large amount of stock of a  network to be run by John Stossel. 

302 was that drudge pic to infer, L-rd of the Flies?

303 One thing I think, with the media, is that if Fox has already jumped on a story... they think it unseemly to follow suit.  The very existence of FNC gives them an excuse not to do their jobs.

304 The Lord of the Flies

305

We should send wave after wave of suicide mooners, who would charge the glass windows of the Today Show and rub their butt cheeks against the glass. Everyday. Forever. Vive les ânes effrontés!

 

Even better, write a short message across them.

 

I volunteer to write the  messages on Kate Upton.

306 Some of you seem to be pining for a True Conservative network.  That's fine, but it's not a solution.  Preaching to the choir doesn't win converts.

The point here is how to push the MSM away from being the Obama administration stenographers they are currently.  Giving the same scrutiny to both sides of the political isle.

Demanding that they be all conservative, all the time isn't going to work.  That's an unreasonable demand.  That they merely be unbiased (to the extent it's possible) and ask questions uncomfortable to the left isn't.

307 The Sun's website is nysun.com. Subscription is $250/yr or $25 month.

308 >>>Beck falls under the Michael Savage category of paranoid hysteria.

1. Beck wasn't fired from Fox.
2. Beck and Savage are nothing alike. Beck is not any more paranoid than the aggregate opinion here. He is just more bah-wah about it then RAGE about it.
3. Beck, right now, is the only one trying to actually fight back against the liberal media machine, with his money, his risk, and his network.

309
lord of the flies, indeed.

310 Once again, I think there is one major thing we must do: we must make the left own the economy.

Posted by: mr_jack at January 24, 2013 04:50 PM (TMG3G)

To most in the culture, there is nothing wrong with the economy. They watch the media's "unexpected this" unexpected that" and their eyes glaze over. It's all meaningless to idiots, if they see it at all. It may as well be chimpanzees consuming economic information.

Nothing will matter until they feel pain.

311 and the media wll certainly pick the next President as they have the last two elections
now they know how to use their asset to the fullest .

Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 04:34 PM (nqBYe)

They picked Bill Clinton too.  For six months prior to the election they would not stop talking about how bad was the economy, and they would show pictures of people in unemployment lines, and shuttered factories.

The message was constant: "George Bush has wrecked the economy."  and "It's the Economy Stupid." The Day after the election, the media announced, "Hey, you know how bad we've been saying the economy was? Well it actually fully recovered last march!!!! Happy days are here again!!!!"

Then the media bastards refused to cover the Clinton scandals to the degree they deserved.  The media has been doing this evil shit for a very long time.

312 Why would they do that? The message is freely available in a million different places for those that want to hear it. The viewership trajectory for mass media news outlets is clear. I'd rather see another hundred James O'Keefes and Andrew Breitbarts doing great work in an entertaining way. Good stuff will find an audience.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 24, 2013 04:04 PM (+lsX1)

People have been modeling and studying "viral"ness on the internet. It by and large does NOT exist, except for once in a million things.

We NEED a better broadcasting medium.

313 and they don't aggressively attack other news outlets for being partisan and they don't really even chase many stories other outlets are not chasing. Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 24, 2013 04:49 PM (sOx93) One of their key features is that they *do* cover some stories others will not - but you're right that it's not enough and not for long. Journolists not being willing to "attack" each other is a big part of why the profession has become corrupt (or the process by which), it's a massive "good old boys" network that protects its own.

314

A concerted letter writing campaign boycott / of all products and services produced by those who advertise with the MSM would do wonders.   If 20 million households stopped buying their $#!+  the media would go too its knees.  (And I don't mean that in the Obama-felating sense they're accustomed to being on their knees.

Alas, I fear those who believed the ship is beyond saving are correct. 

315
Tactically we must confront. Pols are terrified of the press....the thing about don't upset people who buy ink by the barrel. But we must. We must talk directly to them, we must shame them, ridicule them to their face.

We, the people and the pols must do this. Afflict the comfortable, comfort the afflicted.

We need to afflict them

Posted by: rk at January 24, 2013 04:34 PM (2A0SC)

I have been thinking for quite awhile that we need to beat them down and stomp on them.  Violence is how the Muslims do it. Notice they don't get much bad press?

316 Demanding that they be all conservative, all the time isn't going to work. That's an unreasonable demand. That they merely be unbiased (to the extent it's possible) and ask questions uncomfortable to the left isn't.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 24, 2013 04:54 PM (SY2Kh)

We'd settle for a truly fair network. Minds would be friggin' blown.

317 I posted this query in another thread: At some point, doesn't Capitalism kick in? My family doesn't buy ANY conventional, mainstream media. No local fish-wrap, don't buy any cable, not even for Fox. (Wifey is proud of our "Amish" TV) No national news (HA!) rags, nothing. You'd think one money hungry news exec would think, "Hey, maybe I could make a buck by challenging the status quo, and challenge the powers that be." I mean half, (OK, close to half) the populace of this country knows, or SHOULD know, they are being bull-shitted, conned, lied to, manipulated etc. How can these fucktards perpetuate the lies, when juicy, career making scoops are laying around like discarded socks. I guess the educational indoctrination is more effective than I thought possible.

318 That's what galls me the most. Our economy is in the shitter as a direct result of too much government. Case in point: the CRA caused the housing crash. The figures are easily obtainable, everybody here knows most of them. Yet Pubbies never, ever say them. At. All.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 24, 2013 04:35 PM (+z4pE)

And you know why?  The response is "Your'e a RACIST!!!!!!!!!!"

319 I remember when Drudge was pushing so hard for Romney.

320 329 I remember when Drudge was pushing so hard for Romney.

  And he has a huge audience...

321 I do not want a network to Be Spefic to conservatism unles that is open and clear
I personally want actual Truth News no matter how news fits my ideas.
I just want to know what is real and true in the world.

322 311 was that drudge pic to infer, L-rd of the Flies?
xx

I thought of something darker. Beelzebub, aka Lucifer and Satan, is also known as "Lord of the Flies."

323 I like the idea of people going out at night all around the country and spray painting and marking up public places and such with washable chalk/paint with the total National Debt. High profile stunts, such as using a laser-splitter to display the National Debt over-top a times square billboard.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 24, 2013 04:51 PM (UypUQ)

 

1. The first rule of the Midnight Spraypaint Club is Don't talk about the Midnight Spray Paint Club.

 

As an aside, only a conservative guerilla artist would be considerate enough to use washable chalk and paint.

324 >>> concerted letter writingcampaignboycott / of all products and services produced by those who advertise with the MSM would do wonders. it would do wonders, but it's also impossible. Or nearly so. I keep calling for people to just boycott one network and committed conservatives just say, "But I'll miss Grimm."

325
I thought of something darker. Beelzebub, aka Lucifer and Satan, is also known as "Lord of the Flies."

Posted by: Shibumi at January 24, 2013 04:59 PM (z63Tr)

  I thought it was reference to one of the 10 plagues that struck Egypt

326

The degradation of the civil society (and that's what it is - not "bias" or "liberal" journalists - those are just components) is thorough-going.  As noted by many, it includes education, science, pop culture.  It's a marinade in which all - or most - soak. 

 

Several times, a few years back, when I talked to a friend's foreign policy college class as a guest speaker (topics were Iraq and also media), the smart ones would find me after and ask "so, where DO we get good coverage of important events?".  I'd usually say you have to completely re-think your situation - you have to become an active consumer, searching out things here and there.  But I'd also say that having the framework within which to do that searching was sadly a function of time and experience.  If you didn't work in the Senate 1,000 years ago (25 years), when there actually was a Senate, and a strong institutional framework, and two parties with responsible members, then how would you be able to see how outrageous and scary it was that the Senate recently rolled over when the WH shredded centuries of practice on recess appointments?  Answer:  you just wouldn't.

 

Whether or not any of the direct/practical actions discussed above actually occur - I'm among the pessimists on that - it has long been the case that the few remaining sane, American public figures (I don't think using that second term as a qualifier is any longer ironic or hyperbolic) could do tremendous good just by challenging the hallucinogenic false premises on which 90% of "media" coverage is based.  Every, single, time. 

 

I explained to one high-ranking US official in the center of the then-hottest story on the planet that he should challenge the false premises of every question (and they were all likely to be falsely based) he got from an editorial team of a major European publication jetting in to the war zone for an interview.  I pointed out that, ideally, the entire interview would end up consisting of his patient and dispositive disemboweling of their idiotic framework.  They could NOT fail to use the product of this trip - they would HAVE to use what he said.  It was an unusually good time to take this approach (it's the needed approach, all the time).  He seemed to understand.  First question comes:  he immediately barfs up the sort of tame, tepid gobbledegook that one hears 90% of the time from all political figures.  I managed to keep my poker face, as I was sitting 8 feet away, in a small office.

 

Rummy was famous for doing most of what I am talking about.  But even he was too easy on the press.  He needed to sharpen up his debunking attacks, concluding always with a list of questions about how the country and the world were to function if their info sources provided such misleading, uncomprehending "reporting" on vital issues of the day. 

 

Rummy X 10 is what's needed.  All the time.  Every time.  They cannot hide or distort your version forever.  You force the topic of coverage itself into the news category.  This would all be remarkably easy.

 

But as most of you have noticed, we do not live in a time where many able people of character go anywhere close to political careers.  So most of these people are simply not capable of doing what I'm saying.  They lack the brains, verbal intelligence, and often guts to do what must be done.  This includes most of the least worst "conservative" public figures.  It's a time of very, very small people.

 

And, as others have pointed out, an electorate of which these sad little people are perfectly representative .......

327 Then the media bastards refused to cover the Clinton scandals to the degree they deserved. The media has been doing this evil shit for a very long time.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 24, 2013 04:54 PM (bb5+k)

I'll never forget the images of the Clinton crowds with the 'People First' signs, followed by Bill's speech with that pouty chin and bottom lip.

I wish I coujld, but I can't.

That's one of the times when I realized what we are up against. Today may be another such time, thinking of this post.

328 This is market driven. News media acts the way most people want them to act. Reality has a liberal bias. Most Americans have a liberal bias. Change those realities and the news media will change. Business is business.

329 STEP 1 in the battle plan is to DEFEND OUR OWN AND NOT LEAVE THEM ON THE BATTLEFIELD AFTER BEING GANG RAPED BY THE MEDIA you describe. See, Palin, Sarah.

We need conservative spokesmen who can hold their own while making a compelling argument.

Shallow, fame-whoring dummies who constantly need defending, we don't.  Save the personality worship to the Reality TV fans oh wait...

330 I guess the educational indoctrination is more effective than I thought possible. Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 24, 2013 04:57 PM (M0O7A) Barriers to market entry. It's not just that it's horribly expensive, it's that you have to comply with all the FCC bullshit. A very long time ago, I spent a summer working for the news director of a local tv station. You would not believe the sheer volume of bullshit paperwork we had to do to comply with this reg and that reg and these accessibility matters and that documentation of the exact time to the minute given to educational programming and on and on and on. That doesn't even begin to take into account the restrictions on bandwidth issues. I don't know what can be done as a practical matter. I really don't.

331 We don't need another FOX News.  They stake the claim of "fair and balanced", and their hard news is more balanced than anything on any other network. 

No, what we need are anti-progressive stations.  Just as the Party Line media attacks conservatives all day long, we need stations that attack the progressives all day long.

We need prime-time  conservative versions of the Daily Show and the Colbert Report.

332 Remember when the MSM railed against 5% UI as bad.  Ah the good ol' days.

/nevermind

333

What's up with the knocking of Michael Savage.

 

He is number 3 in radio.

 

Conservatives could seriously learn some messaging from that guy.  Yeah, he's extreme, but I used to love listening to him although I haven't in years. 

 

He's a former social worker.  Who can tell you why the left lies and are full of shit.

 

Romney can't do that.  No one believes him, what the fuck does he know of struggles.

 

THIS IS WHAT WE MUST UNDERSTAND.  Bow-tied intellectualism means fucking nothing even if it is correct factually.

334 DiogenesLamp

I never really knew this until  late2003,  i never had time to watch tv. work kids school, for years.
but 2001 i started and watched until late 2003 when i realized  a problem.
but never expected this amount of malice as the last 5 years.

335
I thought it was reference to one of the 10 plagues that struck Egypt
xx

I did not know that "flies" were a plague. Obviously, I am not as well informed on the topic of "classic Egyptian plagues" as I thought.

Either way, it's all good.

336 I guess the educational indoctrination is more effective than I thought possible. Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 24, 2013 04:57 PM (M0O7A) They've been doing it as a Great Cause for Utopia for a century, at great expense. Capitalism is about a market working to provide what people desire, and these people desire Power and Control a *lot*. Open systems are susceptible to manipulation and destabilization from the outside. Closed systems destabilize themselves, but are less vulnerable to external attacks. When you think about it in "wargaming" terms, closed societies are history's suicide bombers.

337 We have to face a few facts good and bad:

1) To a certain extent the media is a reflection of society. The fact that SOME people don't perceive (or perhaps agree with) their bias is a sign of how bad things have become. However, I still think there are lots of people with us so we shouldn't panic. See #2.

2) Much of the media that political insiders and news junkies consume is largely ignored by most average people. I think Conservative outlets are a bit foolish to give oxygen to failures like Chris Matthews and his ilk. We are amplifying his message and by extension elevating his importance when we snarkily report on his nonsense. I think it ends up being counterproductive.

3) No matter what we do, the political leaders on "our side" are weaklings who have no ability to promote Conservative principals. They FEAR the media backlash and most of them don't even believe in Reagan Conservatism. We either need to ignore the Republican Party or make sure those that are elected can and will speak eloquently on our behalf.

4) "Events" will eventually work in our favor. The blue social model cannot be sustained financially. We must be ready to offer solutions when the inevitable crash occurs. It is also important to plainly state the reasons for the crash. We can't have people like Bush who just sit there and let the left blame him and by extension US for all that went wrong.

5) Liberals are in the process of overplaying their hand as we speak. The media may love them but the public won't like ObamaCare when it fully kicks in, higher taxes, higher energy costs and restrictions on ever more activities. The left always overreaches which will be their undoing in the end. They are overly cocky BECAUSE the media doesn't challenge them. Obama actually believes most people are with him but they are not.

338
The Vulcan V-sign could also be our call for an Article V Convention.

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2013 04:38 PM (fH4X9)

An Article V convention in today's electorate would be suicide.

339 >>>you describe. See,
>>>Palin, Sarah.

We defended her when she stumbled until it became apparent she had no intention of getting back up.

340 it would do wonders, but it's also impossible. Or nearly so. I keep calling for people to just boycott one network and committed conservatives just say, "But I'll miss Grimm."

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2013 04:59 PM (LCRYB)

yeah or but i can't  cuz . sports!

341 You know, at the state level a lot can be done. One thing is to defund the journalism departments of the state universities.

342 Shallow, fame-whoring dummies who constantly need defending, we don't. Save the personality worship to the Reality TV fans oh wait...

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 24, 2013 05:00 PM (SY2Kh)

 

Not to start up the Palin wars again, but I have nothing but admiration for the lady. I especially like the way she's been getting rich from the same media that was so determined to destroy her.

343 CFox is not enough. The past few years they Have hired more liberals. Ace you are not being an alarmist, you are stating the truth. Koch Brothers could help. Does anyone know someone? Trump, Forbes also come to mind.

344
Hopefully, people have learned from the experience.

Posted by: jwest at January 24, 2013 04:38 PM (ZDsRL)

I've learned that Wallace and Schmidt need lots of punches in the mouth. Their actions ought to have constituted political suicide.

345 Here are some sources of information about journalism fundamentals (it's not yet become for guild/coven members only):

Society of Professional Journalists:
http://www.spj.org/

Student Press Law Center:
http://www.splc.org/

Poynter Institute:
http://www.poynter.org/

Reuters's Handbook of Journalism:
http://handbook.reuters.com/

346
>>>An Article V convention in today's electorate would be suicide.

Even article V requires a 3/4 buyoff. If we did article V the only thing I think 3/4 of the states could agree to is a divorce.

347 The MFM has always had a leftist bias going back to that c*cksucker Murrow. I think that after Reagan won huge twice and then Bush I won and was riding high after the Gulf War the MFM was terrified that a Democrat might never see the White House again for years and they really started to ramp up their propaganda. The MFM didn't (at least to my knowledge) hid Jimmah's fuck ups and stupidity. He became an object of ridicule. They've never let that happen to Slick or Barry. They now won't even acknowledge reality as it's happening in front of them. It's nothing but lies and propaganda

348 An Article V convention in today's electorate would be suicide.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 24, 2013 05:02 PM (bb5+k)

THIS!

349 I'm going to have to disagree about process vs. ends. It is the more traditional American route to care about the end, and to be skeptical of the means. Pherhaps it seems different because we had generally come to accept those means that were not destructive of the end. In contrast, the left is all about means. Take their deluded vision of "equality." The Khmer Rouge were all about equality of results, and kept on implementing their Marxist doctrine, and they were so blind by the "righteousness" of their methods, that they ignored the consequences, and just blamed their failures on others,.

350 The Blaze needs to start wooing name brands like Cavuto, Steyn, perhaps guest appearances by Rush. Ask them to volunteer their appearances without pay if needed. One of the things Beck needs to reconsider is his Ghandi approach to the marxist WH. I know he can't advocate violence but he could start showcasing organizations like Oath Keepers.

351 Barriers to market entry. It's not just that it's horribly expensive, it's that you have to comply with all the FCC bullshit. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 24, 2013 05:00 PM (VtjlW) That's very true, and it's been getting worse for *everyone*. I know someone whose background is building businesses who is getting pissed at the amount of hassles and paperwork and hidden guidelines and requirements that keep agglomerating to the process. But there's also the "backroom market" problem - some of the stories of how papers and stations compete with each other (underhandedly) in some markets are stunning - including physical sabotage as well as threatening advertisers. Add in that one of those outlets doesn't share a culture/ideology, and it gets worse. That's on top of the institutional resistance.

352 I have constantly made this point over the years. Liberals gravitate towards journalism and media, conservatives want to do something actually worthwhile. __---------------- Journallism IS worthwhile. When Willliam F. Buckley wanted to create a conservative movement, he started a magazine, not a factory. GK Chesterton, Malcolm Muggeridge, Whittaker Chambers were all conservative journalists. One of the reasons we have lost the culture is that too many conservatives get hardnosed and despise culture as something soft and silly. Yet today we are losing primarily because the left has taken over the culture. If they hadn't , our arguments about the economy, defense and everything else would carry a lot more weight. Oh, and at one point, Winston Churchill was a journalist (war correspondent in S. Africa).

353 339, thanks for proving my point. As long as we have people like you in our ranks, we can forget about ever defeating the Left, or even keeping them at bay. You help the Left, so you might as well join them. You are a disgrace to what you claim to stand for.

354 The Vulcan V-sign could also be our call for an Article V Convention. ---------- I want a bumper sticker. Cafe Press.

355 What we need is a media outlet that is fair and honest... and DOES NOT express ANY opinion. There is go greater threat to the left than the naked truth.

356 We defended her when she stumbled until it became apparent she had no intention of getting back up. THIS. Her response to the charge that she wasn't a serious person, or one who had a grasp of the complexities of national office? Star in a reality show. Yeah, she's a serious person alright. Uh huh.

357 I would love to know who 336 really is, because that was goddam cracking good.

358 Isn't there speculation Trump might buy NY Times?

359 And since they're not going to do it, what are we going to do about it? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 24, 2013 03:55 PM (8y9MW) Identify our enemies. Freeze them. Polarize and isolate them. They are trying this with the NRA - 'the gun lobby'. It's going to come to a head, or we'll all be slaves to the government.

360 Don't worry, they'll be back in your pocket in 2024 when the GOP finally retakes the White House. Conversely, in the meantime you should learn that capitalist entities like news organizations will trace whatever trend they can.

361 Not to start up the Palin wars again, Posted by: troyriser at January 24, 2013 05:04 PM (vtiE6) Never stopped.

362 The media exists for one and one reason only: to sell advertising. That is what keeps them in business. Oh, dear. Do we forbid any companies from advertising that might be interested in a conservative network?

363 I've been haunting conservatives blogs for years trying to get through to you Beta Male Dickless Wonders and all it's gotten me  is banned by most of them. You people HAVE to wake up. They're not even trying to hide it anymore. They will destroy the dollar and they'll do it late summer or early fall of 2014. Before the midterms. They WILL win back the House, they WILL gain seats in the senate. LISTEN to them. And start fighting back. STOP attacking each other. Go after them. Hard. And if you can't bring yourself to do that then at least stop attacking those that do have balls. DEFEND Rush. DEFEND Michele Bachmann. DEFEND Rand Paul. Stop helping the enemy, because they really ARE the enemy. They hate this country and everything it stands for and if you bothered to really talk to all these liberals you think you know you would know that and be appalled. It's visceral. The vast majority of liberals don't even know they believe what they believe. That's why they get so offended when they hear their beliefs parroted back to them. They've been indoctrinated. That's not the same thing as having convictions based on principles you believe in. It's knee jerk. And the media has turned conservatism and conservative icons into the only evil these people know and understand. Liberals today don't so much believe in liberalism as they are terrified of Evil Right Wing  Christian Conservatives. Barack Obama didn't win reelection. The Republicans lost because too many people see the Democratic Party as the only thing keeping that evil in check.  

364 If we did article V the only thing I think 3/4 of the states could agree to is a divorce. " You say this like it's a bad thing...

365 Ace, when you find your mythical billionaire tell him that the new network must not succumb to the fashion of giving both sides equal time on all subjects. I swear you could get a Dem to argue that it would be good to torture his mother if you had him on Fox opposite Sean Hannity.
While once I believed exposing people to the worst of the left was a good thing, now I think to many boobs in the audience simple assign whatever the leftist mouthpiece's position to be a moral good.

366 Journallism IS worthwhile. When Willliam F. Buckley wanted to create a conservative movement, he started a magazine, not a factory. GK Chesterton, Malcolm Muggeridge, Whittaker Chambers were all conservative journalists.
One of the reasons we have lost the culture is that too many conservatives get hardnosed and despise culture as something soft and silly. Yet today we are losing primarily because the left has taken over the culture. If they hadn't , our arguments about the economy, defense and everything else would carry a lot more weight. Oh, and at one point, Winston Churchill was a journalist (war correspondent in S. Africa).

Posted by: Burke at January 24, 2013 05:06 PM (CrqI6)

 

No, conservative journalism developed only as a requirement to counter the bias of liberal journalism.  If journalism was practiced as it is supposed to be in theory, objectively, it would not be labeled one way or the other.  Actually these men were not journalists but rather political intellectuals.

367 SCOAMF as QR Code.  Link below.

368 The media exists for one and one reason only: to sell advertising. Posted by: Shibumi at January 24, 2013 04:45 PM (z63Tr) You know, I like you. You're completely wrong, but I like you. YOU are the product. The advertising is a tool. YOU are what is being sold, and the advertisers aren;t the only customer. The editors, the reporters, the investors, and all their political allies are the ones doing the buying, and what they hope to get is *you*. If you don't understand a thing, you don't know what it's capable of, and you can't even *try* to combat or control it. *You* are the product. They are selling *you*.

369 100% right Ace.

The GOP uses this as a throwaway line- something akin to "everyone hates the media" or "nobody believes them". Either they don't understand the depth or the problem or its importance to a democratic republic.

But think about it in the current context of guns. People are rightly up in arms and very upset about the Second Amendment assault. But what of the First Amendment? Have we simply given up on that, glossed it over or truly unaware of the actual consequences? Moreover, we partly make the Second Amendment assault in terms which contemplate the threat to our security and an emasculation of the peoples power by the forces of tyranny. Is there a greater threat to our society than the loss of our First Amendment rights vis a vis the takeover by what is essentially a propaganda machine?

We chortle at how inadequate liberals argue. How devoid of facts and empirical evidence their utopian theories are. But what we underestimate is the power of the media's influence on public opinion and the important role it plays in advancing liberal goals. They (liberals) are pretty cavalier and relentless in their pursuits because what the write or say is never factually challenged or dissected in any  overarching way.

Low information voters and people they persuade make all the difference in our society. Our elections are decided by small margins and a great deal of that support is corralled by the media machine of liberals.

It's actually liberals Achilles heel and we've essentially ignored it by subjugating its importance and never forging a meaningful attack or serious counter-attack.

370 "Posted by: Jaynie59 at January 24, 2013 05:12 PM (4zKCA)" Stop attacking each other...as you attack each other. It's more than defense - if we are defending we lose. We've been defending since Woodrow Wilson. We need offense. Breitbart knew offense and how to play it. Ben Shapiro, on Piers Morgan, showed how to play offense.

371
it would do wonders, but it's also impossible. Or nearly so. I keep calling for people to just boycott one network and committed conservatives just say, "But I'll miss Grimm."

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2013 04:59 PM (LCRYB)

Do not underestimate the entertainment half of the media propaganda system.  That's the hook.

372 Even as a hobby, reporting on events in your own field of expertise can be a start. Of course, this is only if you're not completely burnt out about your work at the end of the day.

373 I worked in journalism for many years and saw this shit coming long ago. Just wanted to pat myself on the back in public for this, even though no one here knows who I am. But you know what? I know who I am and that's all that matters, because one day the sun will balloon into a red giant and swallow the earth and then none of this, and by "this" I mean "everything" and by "everything" I mean "fucking everything" will not matter. I am not drinking Scotch right now but I would like to.

374 Good God.  This post along with the arfcom "I will not comply" topic has shed some light on two major parts of a very dark future for our country.

375 Let's send letters everyday to NBC, CBS, ABC & the others. If they hear that no one is watching them, they give a damn.

376 It's like people see me posting, and go "time for a new thread!"

377 Swell, ergie is back to impart his vast political perspicacity on us.

378 >>If journalism was practiced as it is supposed to be in theory, objectively, it would not be labeled one way or the other. Actually these men were not journalists but rather political intellectuals.



Objectivism (not unlike Rand's, but unlike postmodernism)  would be a good word to work into the mission statement of a new network.

Journalism has become a combination of dear diary and big lie propaganda sheet of the Left.

It needs debunking and defanging in combo by an inarguable objective truth barrage.

379
Shallow, fame-whoring dummies who constantly need defending, we don't. Save the personality worship to the Reality TV fans oh wait...

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 24, 2013 05:00 PM (SY2Kh)

If you are referring to Sarah Palin, the only reason she needed constant defending was because she was under constant unprovoked attach.  They dug through her GARBAGE for crying out loud! Some book author/stalker moved in next to her and her family!!

They hated and detested her and everything she stood for and said, and for that reason she was getting attacked in every manner of which they can conceive. 

380 You're absolutely right. It really hit me when the Administration declared that the Egypt and Benghazi attacks on the anniversary of September 11th were all the fault of by the Evil Mad Filmmaker What Makes Films At Midnight. Then suddenly - and the coordination of this was honestly shockingly for me - we had Serious Journalists (I'm gonna borrow ace's Signifying Caps here) asking Thoughtful Questions about what sort of Common-Sense Restrictions we should have on speech, in Today's Diverse World. They attacked Romney's defense of free speech, and fell all over themselves to cheer the daring midnight arrest of the Mad Filmmaker himself. The media corporations had realized, probably well before this point, that this administration is dead serious about curtailing freedom of the press. And those corporations, already ideological allies, wanted to make it absolutely clear that they could be relied upon to cooperate. You want a state controlled media, sir? All you had to do was ask! They saw a deal and eagerly took it. Simply put, they're goddamned quislings.

381 I never really knew this until late2003, i never had time to watch tv. work kids school, for years.
but 2001 i started and watched until late 2003 when i realized a problem.
but never expected this amount of malice as the last 5 years.

Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 05:01 PM (nqBYe)

It's been going on for a very long time, though not as bad as their last 6 years of Idol worship.  

382 I think we might be looking at this in the wrong way. When Rush started, A.M.. Radio was not listened to by many people. When Ray Croc started McDonalds, nobody had heard of fast food, etc. Just because we are going against the NYT and CBS, etc., does not mean we are going against invincible odds. personally, I think we need to confront voter fraud just as strongly as we confront the media. In the last election I actually witnessed a union person telling retarded adults (sorry for the UN P.C. Word but I don't know the p.c. Word) that they HAD to vote for Obama to protect their entitlements. And we have to correct the language. Why are immigrants entitled to welfare? If we have amnesty, they should not be entitled to free things.

383
We defended her when she stumbled until it became apparent she had no intention of getting back up.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 24, 2013 05:03 PM (0q2P7)

Have you ever seen a worse beat down?  Anyone would have trouble getting back up.

384 STARVE THE BEAST.

The beast will never change. You can only kill it if you want change. Two ways: boycott the beast, boycott the businesses that feed the beast.

So....how many of you morons are willing to put your money where your mouth is? Do you shop at Kohls? Do you buy Progressive Insurance?  Then stop doing so, and when you send in the cancellation notice be sure to include a note saying why.

Still subscribe to the NY Times or WaPo? Cancel it. Tell them why.

Still watch the Evening News? The Today Show? Quit watching them. Write a letter to their major advertisers saying you will no longer consider buying their products because because the coverage is so offensive.

Still going to see movies starring Matt Damon or Leonardo DiCaprio? STOP IT.

Are you willing to do these things? It takes a real lifestyle change. And some real effort. If enough people did this, it would work. You may not change any liberal's mind, but you will take away their power.  DO IT.  If you won't do even that much, then STFU.

385 The question isn't whether the media is an extension of the DNC. What I don't have a firm answer to concerns which part of the operation sets the talking points. My guess is that the answer depends on the type of issue at hand and whether the topic is old hat or a spontaneous event (think terrorist attack, shooting, Benghazi, etc.).

386 Isn't there speculation Trump might buy NY Times?

Posted by: CarolT at January 24, 2013 05:09 PM (kdfQ/)

I saw something about that yesterday. I don't know if it's true or more showboating. It would be funny to see the liberal reaction. Especially if he went through there like a hurricane throwing all of the leftist trash out

387 Suicide is the goal of an art V, the power of the US dies it is itself the ultimate fuck you to both parties and just calling for it undermines the power of the federal govt. Article V it break it up start over.

388 No, conservative journalism developed only as a requirement to counter the bias of liberal journalism. If journalism was practiced as it is supposed to be in theory, objectively, it would not be labeled one way or the other. Actually these men were not journalists but rather political intellectuals.

Posted by: polynikes at January 24, 2013 05:14 PM (m2CN7)

This is not accurate.  Journalism was from the very start openly partisan - which made it much more honest and competitive.  If a paper states out front that it is left-leaning and supports the democratic party, people know to factor that in.  Also, when newspapers were openly partisan, there was competition.  Each city generally had 2 papers, one support the dems and one supporting the GOP.  That is why even today, many papers have "democrat" or "Republican" in their name.  Even back in England newspapers were always aligned with a political party.

What happened was that in the 50s and 60s the papers began to die with the advent of TV, so many papers went out of business.  Then, the left managed to convince America that journalism was some kind of "profession" that was objective and honorable (nobody believed this prior to about 1960).

the TV news between 1950 and about 2000 kept up the front of being objective and not partisan, allowing this fallacy to grow.  Now that the media is much more fractured, we are back to them being pretty openly partisan.  Unfortunately, they don't admit this and still pretend they are objective.  I think one of the left's greatest triumphs of the last 100 years was convincing Americans that the media is "objective" and "non-partisan".

but the idea that journalism was ever objective and neutral - or even that it could be objective and neutral - is absurd.  As there is no person who is completely objective there can be no reporter who is completely objective.  the idea that a person can act as a blank slate and simply pass along information without filtering it in some way, shape or form is simply not feasible.  Yes, there are people who try to be as fair and objective as possible rather than being partisan hacks - but even those individual's biases are going to affect their coverage.

389
Her response to the charge that she wasn't a serious person, or one who had a grasp of the complexities of national office?

Star in a reality show.

Yeah, she's a serious person alright. Uh huh.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 24, 2013 05:09 PM (RWS3b)

She probably simply decided that her brand was too badly damaged to achieve any further roles in politics, so she might as well have fun and make some money. 

Eisenhower said something very similar after Kennedy got elected. 

390 In 1917 Woodrow Wilson's Office of War Information effectively nationalized the media and made it a propaganda organ of the State. Despite the official end of the Office after the Armistice, this condition never ended. The battle you intend to fight was lost by your grandfathers.

391

 

The best thing about

Electing Republicans:

Get a hostile press!

392 This! is why we need 30 round magazines. The demigod that can do no wrong will, "literally," do no wrong.  Our downfall will not be broadcast. It has been preempted by the American Idol, Idol-off for the ages.

393
You ever see The Running Man?

What I think has happened is that the govt has inserted themselves into the media, this is not that big of a jump to believe so.

I hope it doesn't sound too crackpot, but how in the world do you explain the overt synchronization of stories?

Do I really need to go on with all of them?

Occam's razor, and this is turning into a sci-fi novel.

I've seen this coming.

Look at SNL...used to be pretty anti-authoritarian...now it is pro-authoritarian...so where is our humor, the way we ridicule our leaders?

It's gone from every form of television, and what is replaced is the most base of storytelling...they are appealing to the lizard brain.

So then we have the schools...which are obviously government institutions...

Would they teach people to be anti-authoritarian?

No, it doesn't help them at all.

So, the media builds upon all of this, and it feels to me like they know what the fuck they are doing.

That is spooky. Stephen King type shit...

Does anyone really like hip hop? Why is it still pushed on us?

With communication now so easy, it cannot be so far-fetched that the media is actually controlled by the government.

How is it that Obama's questions at these debates were so in tune with helping him?

Does anyone think that shit just pops up out of thin air? That is simply impossible.

Again, you ever see The Running Man?

394

Stop reading their crap. Stop quoting their crap. Stop buying their publicly traded stock. Stop listening to their shit on radio, television and online. Stop buying as much of the stuff as you can that they advertise. Tell them you aren't buying what they are selling. Support blogs and news outlets online that aren't the party line. Cut off the money and support. When the money dries up, things start getting really nasty at the corporate level. When and if they believe the situation is serious, things may change.

I agree with Ace, this situation is serious. Really serious. The thing is, the state that the MSM has come to has been and is insidious. It's creeping socialism at its worst. We have stood by and let it become more and more ingrained in society as a whole. It may be too late already.

395 I am willing to pledge to work towards a free media militia.  A militia of the pen, armed to the teeth with keyboards, shooting out lethal letters on rapid fire.  We don't have to wait for a millionaire or two to fund us.  We start now, and they'll flock to US.  Ace and Breitbart have shown us the way -- we just need to pick up and do it.  Step one is to start locally.  Our local paper here in Olympia spouts nothing but liberal crock and "Dear Leader" fluff.  I vow to call them out, and set up a Free news site (The Olympian just went behind a paywall) here to present competing views.  Give me 6 months to roll it out.  Anyone wanting to contribute ideas, time, articles -- keep an eye on www.FreeOlympiaNews.com. 

396 The media saw that there was no consequence when we complained about their biases years ago. Then they got emboldened when they protected Clinton from impeachment. They got enraged when W won twice and vowed never to let it happen again.
They got caught off guard by the Tea Party, but they rallied for Barry II and they sure as hell won't let Tea Party 2014 happen if they can help it.

I think that our alleged billionaires should take over one of the big 3 broadcast networks. I prefer ABC, because of parent-company Disney's massive cultural footprint. The propaganda we're being subjected too is horrendous, and until we can get into the no-info voters' subconscious like the left is, they're gonna win.

397

The Free Republic guys have a funny protest every year at the White House Correspondents Dinner.  Maybe this year we should turn this into a big fucking rally with some of the biggest liberal media whores being impersonated, for example, by people dressed as actual whores, people with their lips stuck to a dummy of Obama's ass, some street theater showing them being buttfucked by Harry Reid, huge signs showing the plummeting stock price of the New York Times, etc.  I mean really get in their faces and embarrass the shit out of them.  In Washington.  Let all the idiot celebrities that go to that thing every year know that we won't be going to any more of their movies if they keep collaborating with the media. 

 

Just a thought.  Direct action sometimes works. Somebody up there mentioned the Susan Roesgen thing.  We have to keep fired up to do this.

398
It can't be done by fighting the tide...you have to get in front of this.

They have all the access in the world.

It will take a lot of money and effort, and people with balls that don't give  a flying fuck about how other people view them, who might be actually jailed...

It's serious. It will only get worse...and I fear we haven't seen anything yet.

399 Their tide is all bluff.

400

The House is "Republican-controlled."  The Senate is "Democrat-led." - National Public Radio, 22 January 2013.

Welcome to the Ministry.  There are themes to stress and reinforce. 

It is time to recognize the work of those who serve as Ministry advocates.  Not the agents, who overtly operate as surrogates or policy advocates.  The advocates--who choose the stories to cover, the placement of the articles, the structure and language of the arguments--all to advance the correct themes. 

I'll be over on the other side.  Keeping my eye on you, from the Research Department.

401 Ace thank you for writing this, it has been seriously on my mind for the better part of the past year. A few days after the election ( after I got done crying) I wrote this down. It's still in my desk drawer at work. "Issues And Institutions We Need To Get in Front Of In Order To Hope To Save Our Republic" 1. the media 2.education 3. voter fraud 4. GOP hacks Only then can we hope to have any effect on the current culture of insanity. Now comes the hard part we have to figure out how to do it.

402

"to afflicting the comfortable"

Boy, I hate that phrase.  What's so wrong with the comfortable that they need punishment just because they're comfortable?

 

403 We need conservative spokesmen who can hold their own while making a compelling argument.

Shallow, fame-whoring dummies who constantly need defending, we don't. Save the personality worship to the Reality TV fans oh wait...

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 24, 2013 05:00 PM (SY2Kh)

Fuck you. If you by now dont know why you need to compete in entertainment media , you're an idiot.

404 The Truth in reporting died many years ago. The MFM is now pure propaganda, so much so that even Pravda is calling them on it.

We are well and truly screwed. And we brought it about by putting up with it, not calling it out, and not stopping it when it first appeared.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 24, 2013 04:10 PM (+z4pE)

 

I agree with you BB and am not trying to be critical but at what point could we have done anything decisive about it?  The best example I can think of is Dan Rather and Mary Mapes doing the fake ANG memos to subvert the '04 election. As I recall Rather reamined on the air for months and finally resigned after a milquetoast  "investigation". He's still sliming around and to my knowledge has not suffered the kind of personal humiliation that his actions warranted.

 

Bottom line is that if we'd have reacted any more strongly then the new story would have been the  "crazy over-reaction of the reich-wing"  or something to that effect.

 

Burn the whole fucking thing down to the ground.

405 One could make similar criticisms about Fox, who employs or has employed many Republican candidates, staffers and strategists. Rove, Palin, Gingrich, Huckabee, Santorum. It's safe to say the GOP and Fox News are hand in glove, but I'm not sure which is which.

406 In the early "wild west" pre-Blog days of the Web there was a browser app called Third Voice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Voice

It allowed anyone to post a sticky note comment that would overlay on any web page viewable by anyone running the app.

TV died because it lacked funding and the comments were stored on their own servers, which of course needed money to keep going, and ads weren't paying the bills.

Maybe its time to take another look at a TV type application and use some kind of distributed cloud storage for the comments?  It still would need a high speed pipe for URL mapping

407 The problem is no one knows what to do about it.

408 If you're watching anything on NBC you need to stop... Trust me you'll be able to survive without watching football on Sunday night.

409

I can read the newspaper or watch TV or listen to NPR and find liberal lies (of commision or omission) in the great majority of the "news" stories.  Is there a mechanism by which conservatives could call these out in near-real-time, so that the average person might grow to enjoy seeing, reading or hearing both the original content and scathing commentary on it simultaneously?

 

Think Mystery Science Theater 3000.

410

Modern times demand a press working hand-in-glove with the government.

 

That's right. So the ignorant low-information "voter" will not see the government's fingerprints all over the MBM.

411 334 >>> concerted letter writingcampaignboycott / of all products and services produced by those who advertise with the MSM would do wonders.

it would do wonders, but it's also impossible. Or nearly so. I keep calling for people to just boycott one network and committed conservatives just say, "But I'll miss Grimm."

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2013 04:59 PM (LCRYB) Hide posts from (LCRYB)

Boycotting a network doesn't work.  You have to actually kill your cable.  80% of their revenues are from subscribers' cable fees.  They get paid whether you actually watch the station or not, or whether you've blocked it from your box.  They still get paid.  Read Ann Barnhardt, she did the research.

412 That was some weird-ass coding in my comment.  My browser's screwy.

413 A modest proposal.....

we collapse into communes and start bussing our own rent a mob like the moonbats do....

414 Well, five million comments later....

A Diane Sawyer story: she was on jury duty and being voir dired by one of the lawyers on a case. "Do you think you can listen to the testimony and be neutral and free of bias?"

"Well, of course," she said, "I'm a journalist. I listen with neutrality every day."

Everyone in the room burst out laughing.  "Neutrality," LOL! Diane was very hurt. Sad face.

The point is: the populace is ready to listen. They think Sawyer's neutrality is a joke.

Trump needs to buy a paper in each of the major cities and let it rip.

415 I am late to this,  and no one will read this.  However,  here are some practical suggestions:

1. Defend every candidate,  even if they are witches or idiots who say tupid things about abortion.  Do not flinch.   Bill Clinton got a rally by his supporters at the White House after he was impeached, for God's sakes!   I don't care if you have to roll your eyes or barf in private.  You have to defend the candidate and put the attackers on the defensive,  even if your candidate is a complete asshole.  If we fail to do this,  we end up losing.

2. Here is a list of things which individuals can do and which do not cost one red cent:

    a.) For those retired or out of work,  audit journalism classes and history classes at your local STATE run university.  Take notes.  Keep all hand-outs.  Record lectures if you are allowed.  Download all syllabuses and on-line tests.  When you have assembled evidence,  call the closest GOP state legislator.  Ask if your state's tax money should be supporting this crap.   Be willing to testify at a hearing.

   b.)  Go after the universities for scamming kids with high tuition for degrees which cannot be marketed.  This is a huge scandal,  and we could get a lot of students on our side if done properly.

   c.)  Americans do not like to be told what to do.   Go after blacks in Section 8 housing who have to endure inspectors and social workers.  Do not assume all of these people are criminals and FSA material.  Be outraged that they have no privacy and no way to get out of the ghetto.

 3. Get some funding for a damn contest,  which would appeal to the Free Shit Army.  Give $500 Best Buy cards to anyone who can find $10 billion to cut from the Education department without hurting local schools,  which should be easy peasy.  Additional prizes could be visits with Dennis Milller in Hollywood, tours of NFL sites with RGIII, tours of DC with Victor Davis Hanson.  

There is more,  but some people (RNC ARE YOU LISTENING?) should be working on this stuff.

416 I don't think you are alarmist I have been thinking for a long while what did it feel like to be in Germany and not caught up in the Hitler-Nazi Cult? It's like quicksand the worse it gets the more the rest of us panic and that panic is called extremism and ignored even further. It's a death spiral for the country. If you know how to stop it I am all ears. History has shown that it end in violence or total domination. Not comforting to hear.

417 Has probably been said already, but US media today is worse than all of the murderous commie regimes, because they are giving up their journalistic integrity voluntarily.  Not at the point of a gun.  Has the world ever seen this happen before?

I believe the media is experiencing some form of collective mass delusion (seriously, not snarkily), beyond simply falling for a cult of personality.  The entire MSM, all the management, owners...no one is speaking out against this.

That's probably what I find so disturbing, that virtually none are willing to stick to their professional principals, or to speak out.  At the least you would expect some journalists to realize what is happening, publish anonymously, be against it.  But I'm now aware of this if it's happening (outside of Anonymous, but AFAIK that's hackers, not journalists).  Scary times.

418 #429 Mayday,  I find it disturbing as well.  I find myself wondering if they have been threatened with harm (or their families).  Also wonder if they have undergone mass hypnotism.  Then I progress to things like demonic activity.

419 I do not have cable, but I did. I just got tired of "Chip" from New Delhi telling me that I had to pay more because they added the "All Spanish Hat Channel" so my rates are going up. Nothing against the good people of India, but "Chip" was unreasonable. Now, I've bought Dexter used. $14 a season. I'm a few years behind, but it's Dexter. I'm not suffering. I buy Sons of Anarchy seasons. Justified a year late. Digital antenna if I want to watch broadcast. That Scott Pelley, his forehead says "listen to me, I care. And I have the most disarming chuckle." among other things. Don't really watch Scott Pelley, I just use his forehead to light up the dinner table from 6:30 to 6:37. (we're fast eaters) Point being: how long could "The Media" last, after the only people with disposable income realize that "The Media" has been campaigning to tax them more, and selling time to advertisers to try and get whatever is left. I did see Ben & Kate and the black guy did this bit about playing the race card and then he said something about "I'll play the old man race card," and then he went into this old man affectation and it was effin' hilarious and very stinging for all the race baiters. Go to Sears, and look at the washer/dryers. Wait and when the guy in the short sleeve shirt with tie that just clears his third button starts talking to you, you'll think to yourself "Wow. This guy is trying to sell me something I don't need, and he's telling me it does shit that is not scientifically possible, and he goes into this kind of loud whisper voice when he's talking about how the children can't go to school with dirty clothes." Fuckin' Obama. /ramble off

420 They saw what happened when Jounolist popped...

had the powers that be started nuking people there would have been an HR bloodbath....

no the inmates run the asylum and they are all afraid of reckoning

421 "For those retired or out of work, audit journalism classes and history classes at your local STATE run university."

I like this idea. Some universities allow senior citizens to enroll for free in classes with seats available.

Anyone who does this must remember to never treat a classroom as a forum to share your own life story, no matter how compelling it may be, to students who are barely able to follow the class's subject.

422 #433  Correctomundo.  Just take notes,  only speak when targeted by the instructor,  and when answering put on your feeble old clueless people personna.

Your place there is to get information and evidence.  You can be friendly,  but do NOT let anyone know what you are doing!

423 It can do wonders for young students' intellectual curiosity to enjoy the benefit of having someone in the classrooms who can "assist" their professors in recalling omitted historical facts and perspectives.

424 I was kinda kidding about pooling our lunch money, but I would seriously invest in a grass roots effort to buy in. If you want me to do it send me your dollars and I will run it.

425
 Â“The goal of modern propaganda is no longer to transform opinion but to arouse an active and mythical belief.”
--Jacques Ellul

“It is the emergence of mass media which makes possible the use of propaganda techniques on a societal scale.”
--Jacques Ellul

“The orchestration of press, radio and television to create a continuous, lasting and total environment renders the influence of propaganda virtually unnoticed precisely because it creates a constant environment.”
--Jacques Ellul

426 This whining rant begins from the erroneous premise that there was once a time when the media was not in the tank for the Dems.  When, exactly, was that idealized era?   Was it during the Clinton administration when Isikoff and Newsweek were desperate to NOT report news and George S., was earning his bones and a gig at ABC News?

How about during the Kennedy administration?  When the media was diligently reporting how they knew Jack was boning everything with a pulse, barely managing his Addison's disease and taking enough drugs, including psychotropics, to start a pharmacy?

Maybe it was during FDR's administration, which is how there came to be exactly two photos in all of history showing FDR in his wheelchair?

There are a lot bigger problems than a biased media and they concern the character of the American people.   In the last week alone, the President of the United States used his inaugural address to call for anal sodomites being allowed to marry and the Secty of Defense ordered that women be allowed into combat units when they feel like it, or to not be in combat units when they don't.

The problems are things far worse than biased reporters. 

427 I know you keep beating the drum on this, and thank you for doing so.

The posted comment is also 100% correct.

I don't know what we'll do if this slavish behavior outlasts the Obama administration, although quite frankly 8 years may well be enough.

I have fantasy/fear vision of Paul Krugman (or somesuch) being led away to the camps and wondering how it ever happened to HIM.

428 #430 Miss Marple, yes I have thought too that the admin, and advanced MSM cultists, probably do threaten anyone who steps out of line, in a subtle way if not overtly.  But, I would still hope and expect that those in the MSM who "get it" would publish anonymously.  I don't see that happening.  Why aren't we seeing leaks about the Benghazi survivors, about all the things O is hiding, about Valerie Jarret and the rest of the criminals in the O administration?  Nothing.  I find this shocking, that NO ONE in the MSM is trying to surreptitiously get the truth out.

429 My fuckwit liberal brother-in-law (FWLIBIL), who has a Ph.D in solid state physics, and who works for a large defense contractor, once said he thought it was a very bad thing that Bill Gates was so rich; that no one person should have so much wealth. 

I replied by asking my FWLBIL to tell me, who got poorer because Gates got "obscenely wealthy"?   My FWLBIL would not have been more shocked if I had taken my dick out and slapped him across the face with it.

It had simply never occurred to him to look at the issue, and his own assumptions, in that way.

I blame the public schools.  And the universities.  And us.  We let the institutions get hijacked.

430 Ace, you don't like the media? Sounds like a medical issue. Death Panel say: "All your medical issue are belong to us."

431 You have to start local. You have to take back the schools and the local media, because that is where you have the most influence. You get in the forums on the local news and mix it up with other locals. You take back the schools, because that is where we need more influence. And it works its way up and at least impacts your state. On a national level, we mock the opposition. And yes, we need to go for the low information voters. We can do that without buying a network. I am definitely in favor of targeting women voters.

Did y'all know there is a kid's cartoon called Liberty's Kids? It's a bit PC, but it's about the American Revolution. Interestingly, during the war sequences, no guns are fired although they are carried. I don't know who is responsible for it, but anything that can give kids the idea that liberty is worth fighting for is a good thing.

432

The Progressives have been at this for 100 years we need to consider it will take this long to get back.

The MOST popular moments from the Republican debates was when Newt took on the media and called them the biased idiots they are.

The war to take back the country goes through the left and the media.

 

 

433 I always knew they were on Obama's side, but this past election was beyond anything I have ever seen before--or maybe I just wasn't paying attention. Anyways, when I realized the extent I had a sense of fear and helplessness that I have NEVER had in my 53 years on this earth.

434 See "How to Look at Television," by Theodor Adorno (one of those guys that came out of the Frankfurt School Ace sometimes references). He was able to piece together the strands between media, the culture industry, and government better than anyone in the 20th century. That he was a Marxist is no objection to adopting his analysis of a kind of capitalism that - even in 1950 - was already exposing itself as cronyistic and subservient to cultural elites. Capitalism per se is not America's problem, but true libertarians need to come to grips with how it has been coopted by corporate liberalism in contemporary politics. There is a dearth of such analysis on the American right.

435 Ace, I watched the election from a  distance. It was like witnessing a slow-motion train wreak.  My brief advice to conservatives is this:
1.  Ditch the old guard GOP.  Bless McCain, Boehner, McConnell et al, but they have stayed too long to be of any good.  New blood is needed to deal with new rules
2.  When handling the MSM, give as good as you get.  I would recommend all new blood GOPers speak to the MSM like Bill Bellachik does.  Short sentences, total disdain.  Don't bother trying to win them over.  There are newer media channels than can be used.  Ignore and distrust—you DON'T need them, you DON'T have to talk with them anymore.  Fuck them because they are looking to screw you over.
3. Retrieve the conservative icons from the past, especially Lincoln, before the Liberal/socialists co-opt them—as they are trying to do right now by portraying Obama as Lincoln or Reagan.  DO NOT LET THAT HAPPEN.    Mock the Liberals/Socialists them with disdain and disgust. 
4. Confront the liberal/Socialist lies with vigour and emotion.  Who gives a shit what the MSM says about it.  Make your point, don't back down and mock the media whenever and wherever you can when there is a crowd present.  Point them out so the crowds can see them.  Make them squirm and feel their stares. 
5.  Read Saul Alinsky.  Then read it again and adopt those tactics with vigour.

436 Mass picketing at the MSM offices. 

With posters about their biased news of the day.

Every day.

437 Mass picketing only gains traction with media coverage and exposition of its impetus.

438 One huge problem for conservatives who give money to republicans:  Most of that money ends up in the pockets of the MSM!  How much of the money given to support Romney ended up in their hands?

In November I spent a week in the woods during hunting season and listened to Rush at lunch time.  At every hourly break had to listen to CBS news talking about the mini war against Israel.  Every word, every phrase went through the Madison avenue expert programing to push the maximum negative emotional impact against Israel.  These are people who are expert at making ads where every nuance is measured for its impact on sales.  They use these techniques in their "news" programming to push their political view on every issue.  Their most effect tactic is deciding what will be in the news and, more importantly, what will not be covered.

I will not give a penny to a politian if it just ends up supporting these people by buying TV time from them. 

439 Bingo.

440 I've been saying this a long time.  The media works daily to kill us, and we still give them revenue and legitimacy.  Why?  There needs to be a coordinated effort to direct consumers away from the old media.  Drudge was the first to seriously accomplish this.  But it needs to reach farther and become more habit forming.  TV is the easiest habit because it's passive, but Fox News has been branded as raving dogma. 

Our saving grace won't be "Conservative" TV, it will simply be candid content with the absence of liberalism.  That's all I want for my country -- the absence of these suicidal liberal ideas.

441

Most important post here IMO since I've been a moron (ca. 11/0 .

 

I have commented a number of times here and other places over several years that the GOP/conservatives need a media Manhattan Project - yesterday.

 

Evan Thomas (a die hard lib) is the one who said the media was worth 15-20% for John Kerry. A recent study showed that were it not for the media, the TYPICAL American's politics would be along the lines of Ben Stein or a Texas voter. Another wise blogger who I respect commented (close approximation), "If you read the papers or watch the news you're a Democrat by default" and "If it were not for the media, and if people understood what liberalism was, liberalism would be a kooky fringe, with about as much power as hard core Libertarians now wield." If one considers all this, many of our other gripes pale.

 

Threads die quick here, but this is worth some serious discussion on a regular basis. I love the snappy, humorous repartee and sock puppets here, but enjoy most the threads, like this, that spur serious comments from this well informed group.

442 Most important post here IMO since I've been a moron (ca. 11/0.

Agreed.

I've had an idea for years for a political narrative database.  It would function much like a knowledge base in the tech support world.  You search any political or historic narrative, and the conservative argument is presented with evidence and sources.  I thought of this after having so many online debates in forums, and I realized that I was compiling so much useful content from Google searches.  Small snippets like quotes from an Ayatollah or Obama are small pieces of evidence that make powerful arguments when collected into one thread.  It would take a lot of time and maintenance, so I never embarked.  But it's still something that needs to happen.

443 I'm dreaming of a big network--needs to be one of the big three so it reaches all the people with no cable or cheap cable and all the people turning on their car radios--bought by some freedom-loving Russian oligarchs--if those still exist. And put in charge are British newspaper/National Enquirer types with a flare for sensationalism who don't care at all about being loved by the ridiculous US elites, and the staff is investigative reporters of which we still have a few, like Michelle Malkin and Jack Cashill, with an instinct for going for the jugular using pure facts. Because there are stories for real journalists lying around all over the place, acres of soccer ball-sized gold nuggets of stories, which have been completely ignored by the so-called press for years. Just reporting on what the executive branch is actually doing will take years and could be quite exciting to watch. I also like the idea of resurrecting honest, detailed local news, especially on radio and TV, because those reach the most people.

444 Allen West joining PJTV as Next Generation's director and just formed a non profit, The Allen West Foundation, as a non profit.  Mission and activities TBA.  Might be something sprouting.

445 This post would have been timely in 2008.  Now it's too late.

446 It's okay, Jackson. It's good to see it here no matter what.

447 We need to keep pounding on this topic. There is NOTHING more important than this topic. The media is the root of our problems. I've been saying this since the election. We have to stop whining and start fighting. We have one third of the country, mostly middle class. Ghettos organize, why can't we?! Boycotts, buyouts, demands to remove HBO from cable channels, everyone buy Comcast shares until we get 51%, protests, etc. The media is the root of the problem. It is not too late. Fight now or be destroyed. Make this a daily thread: fight the media.

448 The single most effective thing that can be done is to add another conservative (or even straight-down-the-middle) media outlet. Because Fox is alone among the networks, it makes it easy for the leftists to ignore it and just paint it as extremist.   There was a silly article the other day about Trump looking to purchase the NYTimes.  Trump is ridiculous, but the idea is not.  But it's not the Times that should be the main target.  The most vulnerable to takeover and purchase is CBS.  It is independently owned (CBS Corp), so doesn't have the big time protection of NBC and ABC.  A hostile takeover could probably succeed there.

449 This is a great post.

Here's a starting point I can suggest. Obama and Clinton are returning to 60 minutes together.

There should be 10,000 protesters in front of the CBS studio for that interview. And at every media appearnce made by Obama, Biden, Clinton, whoever, from now on. The protests should be peaceful, but they need to happen. This is one of the tools of the left that need to be adopted.

450 Fox is not conservative. They use the same language that is set by the left, and cover the same stories the left considers important. About 90% of their stories come from the AP or the NYT, just like every other major news outlet. We're playing a road game in a hostile stadium in more ways than one.

451 Back in the day the war started by shooting the messenger!

452 Check out my plan over at RedState!

453 "The media no longer hides it in their actions. They are fully fused with the Obama Administration and DNC." --- I really find this hard to believe. Do you really think that the NY Post, Wall Street Journal, Forbes, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and Fox News are "fused with the Obama Administration and DNC"? You're going to have to say a lot more to convince me.

454 I agree with your premise that the media tends to promote the interests of the United States government, but I think you're ignoring the fact the media has promoted the interests of both conservative and liberal governments. Rand Paul supporters will remember ten years ago when the media was falling all over themselves to help sell George Bush's wars to the American people. Now Obama is in power and it's the liberals who are benefiting.

455 One by one the constraints placed on unlimited governmental power by the Constitution and the Bill of rights are being stripped away. Freedom of the Press has been practically destroyed by the corrupt Bull Stream Media in their enabling of oppressive power. Freedom of religion is being attacked by Obamacare. The most recent target is the right of the people to keep and bear arms. What will be next? Freedom of speech – the bed of lies that undergirds the regime cannot survive this freedom and it too will soon be under attack.

456 This is why I think conservatives and libertarians should unite with Anons on this issue. Make DDoS a valid form of protest this way, there's at least one method for us to smack this useless press we now find ourselves with : http://goo.gl/RMAlf

457

I totally agree.  Everyone is late to the party.... go after the media.  Put them out of business.  Let your local business know that you won't do business with them because they advertise in Leftist media.  Order online from neutral sources. 

If you don't put the liberal media out of business, you've lost the United States.

458 At FRIDAY NIGHT VIDEOS there's something for everyone...

http://www.commoncts.blogspot.com/2013/01/friday-night-videos.html

459 Ace et al, I agree the media is a propaganda machine for the utterly corrupt democrat party, who long ago sacrificed any pretense of objectivity in pursuit of J-school inspired 'perfect the world with progressivism' tripe. But how to discipline these free range deviants? Because the problem is they aren't disciplined by the market... Obviously, most of the country is more or less distrusting of the DMM, and more or less individual freedom oriented - this is manifest in the fact that individual rights / conservative / libertarian oriented State governments control over 30 states and DMM trustworthiness rates below serial killers in most surveys. Sure, November 2012 showed that too many people are distracted by media noise, or so disengaged and frustrated that they've given up and we end up with abominations like the Oblamer re-election. But in a nation fundamentally hostile to the media's prescriptions and rigid leftwing activism and PC garbage, how does a far left wing media machine so dissonant perpetuate itself? Economically, they ought to be starving and dying a lot quicker than they are... I think its because we are effectively forced to subsidize programming that we would never purchase a la carte, if the ratings are to be believed. There is no way the DMM could escape being disciplined by the market without the fact that we are forced, by a oligopolistic cable / satellite system practices to pay for, and thereby subsidize, programming most people don't watch but which, importantly, sets the boundaries of media coverage (the few non-left voices are in this way limited by the dominant left wing DMM noise machine). In short, we need to exploit the fact that individual rights / conservative / libertarian oriented State governments control over 30 states, and demand that we are availed the option of 'a la carte' programming. There is no reason why people who have no interest in watching Current TV, CNN, MSNBC, and the alphabet networks spew lies and propaganda and hate towards this country's greatness. Yet that's what we are forced to do, when cable / satellite is not a la carte. One of the things that made this country great was the teeming and challenging speech, and competing opinion everywhere - the coordination between big media business and the DMM is overt now, and its first and most successfully extinguished target was that competition of ideas (i.e., speech), so we must fight this coordination and oligopolistic abuse by demanding that consumers be free to choose among which outlets they support. Al Ghooul's Current TV would be worth nothing based on its ratings and merits - its the capacity to force its way into the market by bundled media that gave it any value...demand your state rep puts an end to it.

460 Please give this idea consideration.

We need a template for local news and events that can be filled in by local volunteers.  It should cover all of the mundane stuff like local sports scores, weather, obituaries, road closings, school closings, and any non-political events going on.  It could have classified ads.  But no politics.  And it should be free.  A site like this would destroy the newspaper industry.  And if people get their local news from a free site, they will soon want all of their news free as well.  And if you have a big enough network by then, you can give it to them.

461 This is going to end in violence. I have no doubt about this. For the first time in my life I can understand what led Americans in the 1860's to square off and kill each other with cold steel. Some people are going to have to die. I'm hoping that police and armed forces will be on the right side when it happens.

462 Republicans don't push back against the media face to face, so none of this matters.

If the media were put into a corner and FORCED to at least make an attempt at not being left wing hacks, things might be a little better.

463 Start a whisper campaign, set the leftist factions fighting each other. They barely get along as it is, and all it would take would be some rumors to go viral, like animal-rights people being against animal testing of AIDS vaccines, or environmentalists finding out that government union pensions are investing in petroleum fracking operations. The rumors don't even have to be true, they just have to plausible, and be dropped into conversations, "I heard that so-and-so said" sort of thing. "Anonymous" flyers might help, too. Go to leftist protest rallies and carry signs that sound like they support one side or other, but make them divisive to some aspect of the rally. Use their own words against them, selectively and out of context, in the rumors. If necessary, lie. This is war, and they aren't "playing fair", no reason why we should.

464 This is how you go after the media: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/15/james-okeefe-goofs-on-gun-grabbers/

465 There is a lawfare way to go after these media organizations.  Most of them are organized as public companies, which means you can own stock in them.  That also means that it is relatively easy for shareholders to file shareholder derivative litigation whenever real media scandals occur without action taken by the media company to fix it.  It's the same tactic trial lawyers use against corporations all the time.  Boards of directors hate derivative actions, they are very distracting and can be expensive to litigate and settle.

If one firm of enterprising, right-wing lawyers started to do this, perhaps in conjunction with a 501c4 like the Media Research Center to buy the shares and serve as a named plaintiff, you could potentially force change to at least more market-acceptable media choices (i.e. back to center left, non-cheerleaders, like they used to be) in probably less than a decade.

466 Damn man, that's a rather longwinded way of saying you were fine with all this until the President stopped being a Republican. Am I supposed to pretend the same thing didn't happen with Bush? Would you like a cited list of gushy articles about how amazing he was or does the name Codpiece McAircraftcarrier sum it up well enough?

467 The Solution is here with us.  Ace asks for a Patriotic Billonaire for a rescue.  We are the ones who can rescue ourselves.  We need to look at ABC, NBC, and CBS and see which one can be taken over by a hostile Board takeover.  Pick the target and spread the word that we need to buy up the stock.  Every Conservative can buy as many shares as they are able and we distribute proxies for our Board.  I nominate Ace as CEO.  We have the Billions to get it done.  Lets stop asking for a fictional rich Billionaire to do what needs to be done and do it ourselves.  First step is someone to decide which of the three networks is the most vulnerable to a takeover.

468

America is in deep do-do. The liberal media is one thing but conservative media is nearly as bad. Perhaps not so much in the covering up of the crimes committed by team Obama, but with the exploitation of sincere patriots. Conservative media stood by and allowed a fraud to occupy the White House and now after the fact, they want to preserve the freedoms and liberties found only in America. It's too damn late now that the "fox is in the hen house" and he ain't leaving. These little piss-ant victories like the court ruling against Obama's recess appointments aren't anything because team Obama will just continue on in defiance of the ruling.

 

469 Instalanche.

470 Remember Terry Moran, propagandist/indoctrinator, and his rush to impugn the entire Duke lacrosse team. What were the consequences for that? Oh, he went on to report that he was sure that team members had no doubt done something that they were guilty of, so his mistake was justified. The msm is full of SOBs and Terry Moran is just one of them.

471

Fox needs to compete directly with the big 3 by starting an evening newscast.

same time slot as nbc cbs abc. 5years too late but better late than never.

472 stop sending kids/paying liberal colleges,  cut off cable tv and request pay per channel only,  boycott business that supports DNC ( ie,  Movies, news networks, General Motors products, etc.)  cut off support to RNC/GOP as they cannot challenge voter fraud in racially diverse areas(urban)( see DNC vs. RNC, 1981.   A new party is imperative.

473 I've often wondered how a free nation's media could become a propaganda outlet for one party or politician. How could they let that happen? Wouldn't someone recognize it and stop it? I finally realized after the election last year that we are in the midst of this process. We are watching it happen right now. And if we don't stop it, future generations somewhere will study it in school, wondering how a free people such as ourselves could have ever allowed it to happen. I no longer refer to the "liberal media" or say they are merely "biased." They are a full on state-run propaganda machine. They are the state-run media. Same as China's now and the Soviet Union's years ago. They are Pravda. So, we can no longer fight them as though they are just biased. If that were only the case. No. We have to understand the enemy for what they really are and alter our tactics and strategy to match. If we continue to believe the media is simply somewhat less than objective, we will be destroyed. They are the state, the state is them. It is not alarmism to recognize reality and to adapt to it.

474 NY Times is a pretentious joke. It's good to keep saying this. Maybe wake some people up; and drive the price down so Trump can buy it. I just checked Times site to see what they had to say about Prof. James Tracy (a guy who has stirred up a lot of discussion and been covered in 100's of newspapers and sites around the world). Nothing. To cover Tracy would be to admit people are questioning the Sandy Hook story.

475 Re: "The government locked up a filmmaker because the filmmaker expressed his free speech rights in a way the president found politically problematic". No, that was not why Mark Basseley Youssef (aka Sam Bacile) was sent to jail. In 2009 a government indictment charged Youssef and others of fraudulently acquiring the details and Social Protection numbers of customers at various Wells Fargo branches (via the internet). As part of his probation, he was barred from using the internet for a certain period of time. During his involvement with the “Innocence of Muslims" movie, he was arrested for violating these terms of his parole, and sentenced to a year in prison for parole violation. Obama had nothing to do with this (let the conspiracy theories commence...). I had just planned on pointing out this "error" and not addressing anything else in the post, but-- To those of you who truly believe that President Obama is some sort of subversive, communist/socialist boogie man, intent on destroying the country: No. Just no. You may not like the man, and you may disagree (vehemently) with his politics, but to claim that he intentionally wants to harm or subvert the country does one thing--it makes you a nut. Step back from the constant paranoid outrage. It is only detrimental to your cause. No (sane, intelligent) person can take that seriously. Proceed to flame me, I won't be around to enjoy it. But maybe just think for a moment.

476

It is much worse than stated in this article.  The socialists have merged not only the press and the socialist government, they have also taken over and made indoctrination centers of most colleges.  They are now filtering that down into our jr/sr high schools and below.  They are now getting state and local governments onboard with agenda 21 issues.  Muslims are rampant in our federal government and military.  We used to grant immagration status to skills sets with a quota from different nations.  Now we have open borders and legal immagration based on country of origan with quota levels being greatly increased for Muslim countries and no skills are needed. 

We are duty and honor bound to fight this destruction of our country but I fear they have tipped ths scales so much in their favor it will be a losing fight.

477 There was a POP, then a sizzle; and then it went out.  Kind of like the opening to "Outer Limits" only more final.  Dad was trying to kill Walter Cronkite.  In a way he succeeded, Walter was dead to us, at least for awhile; but so were Lassie, Sky King and Ed Sullivan.

And if you've never heard of these people before it's for a reason.  The war that conservatives have fought with liberal media is that old.  Remember when the CBS folks vowed to smash all the equipment to keep an unknown (Ted Turner) from taking away their liberal lighthouse?

As for adversarial, well, they are.  Pointedly, completely, everyday.  They are adversaries of our traditional society.

478 BOYCOTT!!!! Stop feeding YOUR CASH to these billion dollar tyrants so they can use the influence YOU BUY to strip you of YOUR RIGHTS!

Cancel your cable TV - there's nothing worth wasting your life watching anyway - it's all lies or violence and death.
Cancel your high-priced cell phones and get a cheap no-contract phone if you absolutely must carry a government tracking device 24/7.
Cancel the newspaper delivery - they are all firmly supporting the OTHER SIDE anyway and you can get your news from the net - unfiltered and un-spun.
Boycott any companies that actively support the leftists.

Stop supporting the enemy and 1/2 of the battle is won.

479 Where were you when Bush was supreme ruler? The left/right dichotomy is itself a distraction; the "liberal" pols are all fascists, and the "conservative" pols are all socialists.

The proper divide is ruling class vs. peons.

Look at the bright side. The old media is dying. Internet is taking over. The gatekeepers are still with us for the moment, but increasing numbers of people are just hopping the fence and ignoring the gate.

480 One has to wonder how long it will be before some enterprising assassins begin targeting liberal writers and news commentators.  That the prospective targets have considered this would certainly add to their zeal to remove those evil "assault" rifles from society... at least from the hands of the conservative wing of society, the police who protect them should keep theirs, of course.

481 Test

482 My experience with Ace is, the longer the piece, the more skvetchy the advocacy. Ace is a tweet brain trying to function on Slate-length platform. Like a moose on roller skates.

483

Of couse the Left repudiates and urinates on the principle of free speech. They have always despised objectivity in journalism when applied to leftist figures and movements. This long predated the little con-man Soetoro. He has so many characterological similarities to Hitler. The Left totally lost me when I saw how they went after Bush with such a freakish totalitarian gusto. The Left absolutely and categorically does not care about the truth. They knowingly advance absolute lies all the time, successfully denying such tested truths as welfare's social destructiveness, the leftist legislative origins of the subprime bubble, the Democratic Party's real history supporting slavery and segregation, the global warming fraud, the need for a 2nd Amendment as a check on fascist governmental power ... Moreover, the Left doesn't just use lies in a utilitarian way to gain advantage. It's more basic than that -- they revere lies, they celebrate lies, they ARE lies. And they laugh at the destruction they perpetrate. The Bamster is a symptom. The disease of the Left can only be dealt with through radical therapy. They're a cancer that needs to be extirpated, root and branch, frankly through violence.

484 I really think many rightly despise the media more than the sorry-assed politicians who sell their souls day in day out. It's like a Goebbels reality show, who can lie fastest and bestest for their Dear Leader. Many also rightly see Obozo as a vacuous clown who got his start (seriously) as a male prostitute before making an affirmative action segue into Harvard Law School where he did zero research, zero writing, zero teaching, zero editing at HLR. His entire life has been going from one fake identity scam to the next. And 90%+ black Americans knowlingly voted for this fraud. Frankly, that changes forever how I think of black Americans. And the media are the ones who cynically, sarcastically, brutally betray their nation by knowingly supporting and covering for the politicians who are putting the pieces in place. Why should any journalist be allowed to continue lying and betraying America. Why should Americans allow their country to be stolen from them by arrogant little pedophile journo-list fucks?