1 That's what I'm talkin' about.

2 I'll post some short things

That's how I got in trouble.

3 Yep- I got one in college in Boston. I shudder to think of the worldview that is being foisted upon him in that school, and in that city, and in that state.

I am screwed.

4 Gimme my free shit & get off my lawn. << Shorter answer.

5 Seems to me that this is exactly the attitude our public schools have been increasingly promoting and indoctrinating our children in for decades. It's paying off big time for Democrats and liberals, and the Republicans barely lifted a finger to stop it. Reap what you sow, America.

6 I think Insty's wrong on this one.
The family doesn't have to be communist, it's more likely communitarian which is decidedly different.
Generosity and sacrifice are virtues, and they are to be lived out in that fashion (which the use of prudential judgment), communism just applies this mantra unthinkingly.

7 If you give them everything they want when they are little, they expect to always get what they want. Stop crying little Jimmy and I will buy it for you, instead of no means no

8 A three-day weekend?  Either the hobo hunting has gone  well, requiring more rest  for Ace, or  it's time for LauraW's     humpwaxing.

9 I think they begin to realize it when they move out of the category of People Living On Someone Else's Dime to the category of The Guy With the Dimes. Thus the push to normalize living in moms basement for the 18-30 crowd.

10 There's commie in them thar hills!!

11 Just heard on Rush, America's bastardy rate in it's first 200 years was roughly 4%. In the last 30 years it has climbed to something like 40%. Within that last stat: 70% of blacks are born out of wedlock. 70% of poor whites are born out of wedlock. 53% of Latinos are born out of wedlock. Try reforming entitlements/welfare with stats like that. Big Daddy Gubmint steps in to fill the void.

12 Eh, it dies off after reality hits them. It just takes a long time. College actually made many of my friends more partisan.

13 >>>this is exactly the attitude our public schools have been increasingly promoting

Which is exactly why Road boy #2 is staying in private school till graduation. I see the head of his school at the range routinely. And that guy carries. I KNOW how he thinks. And it's all good.

14 Family Communist???? More like a Benevolent Dictator....and thats MOM....

15

To be fair, the family is only communist because kids are freeloaders. As soon as they can push a lawnmower it goes Feudal - Welcome to Serfdom, baby boy!

 

Hell, maybe childhood is a recapitulation of every economic system. I'm pretty sure my mom was a fascist. Well, maybe it was the boots, I dunno

16 When they graduate and need to start the loan repayment plan, it will hit them.

17

"Why Do Young People Vote for Economic Dependency?"

 

Because they liked it while they were growing up...so they want more of it.

 

Used to be, you couldn't wait to leave home and be free to do what you wanted to.

 

Nowadays, kids have that sort of freedom while living at home with their parents...or 'a' parent.

So it's the best of both worlds.

 

18

Self-sufficiency was once  a sign of maturity.

 

Back when we had maturity, that is.

19 O'Bumbles is turning dimes into nickles!  Magic!!!11!11!111

20 I'm taking a three day weekend but I'll post some short things so the cobs don't feel obligated.


Has April Fools Day become a national holiday?  If it isn't, after the last two presidential elections it should be.

21 When they graduate and need to start the loan repayment plan, it will hit them.

Posted by: EC at April 01, 2013 02:35 PM (GQ8sn)

 

They'll just blame Bush.

22 Begone, ambassadorial sock

23 # 15. You should give seminars. We'll pay.

24 I was told there would be free shit.

25 So does this mean as a parent I can't use the brat for slave labor? Damn, the terrorist did win

26 18 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 01, 2013 02:35 PM (+z4pE) Leftism is a philosophy of permanent anger and rebellion at wisdom and experience.

27 They vote based on the stupid shit they hear.

I snapped out of that spell at 16.  You get lulled into this false choice of cool smart vs old busted.  It's effective unfortunately.

28 I mean, back when I was a latch-key kid I was all about the hunter-gatherer model.

29 It's effective until the rivers of living free shit dry up.

30 I still get my pills, right??

31 25 So does this mean as a parent I can't use the brat for slave labor?  

Damn, the terrorist did win    

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 01, 2013 02:36 PM (9cjF1)

 

 

Wasn't there somthing from the Dept. of Labor last year, where they tried to push it so Farm Kids had to be treated like employees?

32 Why can't the Flukester's clients pay for her infanticide?

33 Because if we had communism, we could all survive as artists and musicians.

34

The Guy With the Dimes.

 

*Fapfapfap!*

35

>>>Wasn't there somthing from the Dept. of Labor last year, where they tried to push it so Farm Kids had to be treated like employees?

 

Oh shit - you can fire kids at will?

 

Sign me up

36

Leftism is a philosophy of permanent anger and rebellion at wisdom and experience.

 

In other words,  it's  Perpetual Adolescence,  which is pretty much what I've witnessed happening to today's young adults. 

37 Oh shit - you can fire kids at will?

Sign me up

Posted by: Bigby's Helping Hands at April 01, 2013 02:41 PM (3ZtZW)

 

Fire =/= disown.

38 From ZH;

Gun Control? - How To "3D-Print" A Semi-Automatic Rifle

http://tinyurl.com/c6tg9vg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA

39 >>>Because if we had communism, we could all survive as artists and musicians.

I thought that the state picked FOR you, in that lovely model of government..

40 but don't kids rebel from their parents?

41 70% of poor whites are born out of wedlock.
53% of Latinos are born out of wedlock.

Try reforming entitlements/welfare with stats like that. Big Daddy Gubmint steps in to fill the void.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 01, 2013 02:33 PM (tqLft)

 

 

--- J.J. Who determines that the whites are poor?

42 or maybe there's too much soy out there now for kids to actually try to do that.

43 Didn't they arrest the 3d clip guy?

44 It starts with the communal classroom sharing of  all the school supplies you send in loaded into the kid's  25 lb backpack.

45 Yes, and more. When everyone was celebrating the "fall of Communism" I was in college. Maybe in Ukraine, but not liberal arts.

46 Well, if everyone collects unemployment insurance, the economy will snap back faster than Nancy Pelosi's stretched neck...

47 I realized Leftism was a crock of crap when I was about 4. You can't take things and give them to other people who didn't earn them.

48 The so-called social safety net was designed to do just this -- create future generations completeley dependent on government. Ronald Reagan said freedom needs to be defended every generation. Our entire way of life -- the American Way -- needed to be defended every generation. The Left's social safety net was concocted to make sure no defense of the American Way was necessary.

49

And where the schools leave off, the entertainment and  news media take up the slack.  The leftists have got the bases covered.

50 A few point, no one teaches economics anymore, I think this is a big problem. Students need "life classes" to teach the basics of paying the bills and balancing a checkbook. Colleges have fallen woefully behind in trying to place students in the work force. It should be a requirement for graduation to go to the career centers. If millennials, like myself, can't find work how do universities expect to receive future funding from alumni. 

51
>>Generosity and sacrifice are virtues, and they are to be lived out in that fashion<<<

Thus they will generously sacrifice other peoples labor.

52 Which is why the left has pushed for everyone to go to college.

53 31. I hope not I would never give an employee a set of luggage and a get the fuck out sign for their 18th anniversary with the company

54 Leftism - replacing what works with what feels good.

55

Had a comment section discussion in the local rag with a local university student  some time back.

 

She was 'not capable' of comprehending that society should not be obligated to fund her existence while she studied/worked on becoming some sort of artist/musician.

 

Not.  Capable.

56

31...Wasn't there something from the Dept. of Labor last year, where they tried to push it so Farm Kids had to be treated like employees?

 

Yup.

And not just Farm Kids...they wanted it to apply to 'household chores' as well.

 

 

57 I know a number of attorneys who leaned left in college.  After they got into the real world of paychecks and taxes their views migrated to the right and continue to do so.   Some continue to be socially liberal but at least acknowledge that the other side has their points.  Some go as far as acknowledging that the social conservatives keep our culture together otherwise it would be a free for all.

58 Posted by: Bigby's Helping Hands at April 01, 2013 02:41 PM (3ZtZW)


At 15 1/2 my parents made me get a job, and they certainly didn't take any of my money and redistribute it to my siblings. They did take the lesson of "perhaps McD's isn't a good place to work" and apply that.

Strangely, I kept working at McD's while my siblings were routed towards retail.  Until my brother, he was able to make pretty good bank doing Caddying, so he stuck with that.

The other thing my parents taught us though was that we could always look for better work, I eventually traded out the McD's for managing the student center at the university (until I graduated then I traded that out for a brief stint at a grocery store and eventually lab work.)
The briefer lesson I think was "nothing comes free, keep looking for work."

59 If you're under thirty and conservative you have no heart and if you're over thirty and liberal you have no brains.  And the libs claims Spock in their camp?  LOL

60  but don't kids rebel from their parents?

Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at April 01, 2013 02:42 PM (QxSug)

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

 

Not when the parents give them  all the free shit that they want.

61 Meh.... at least Caroline is gainfully employed.


http://tinyurl.com/bvahjt2






 

62 As I have said before, we really screwed the pooch when we let the Left take over the Colleges, Universities, and now even grade schools.

63
When they graduate and need to start the loan repayment plan, it will hit them.
Posted by: EC at April 01, 2013 02:35 PM (GQ8sn)






Until that Jug Eared Cocksucker rams through his plans for student loan forgiveness.

64

40 but don't kids rebel from their parents?

 

Only if their cell phone stops working.

65 I thought I was a Liberal until Reagan got shot (I was 16.) I was so damned proud of my President for his quick recovery and good humor throughout, that I stopped listening to the MSM's incessant Reagan-bashing and actually started paying attention. Luckily, I converted before I was old enough to vote, so I didn't cause any damage.

66 Every day is a weekend on the beautiful forest moon of Endor.

67 I run my house under the benevolent tyrant model.  "Because I said so! [optional emphasis when needed - include "dammit" at the end] is the motto.

68 Why? Public schools.

69 "You can't take things and give them to other people who didn't earn them."

Except that it happens every day, all day...

70 The family communist.


That's pretty funny.

71 Spike Lee's next unwatched movie? "Failed Presidents can't Dunk. Obama scores 2 for 22 at B-ball. Its worse than the special olympics or something... http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-2-22-easter-egg-roll_712276.html

72 Shortest answer:  "They want."

73 40. You just have to deploy the anti-rebel device aka a thick leather belt Works every time

74 IT'S A TRAP!!!!

75 obamacare will cradle the idiots longer and, obamacare will kill off all of those with common sense much faster

76

To  somewhat steal from Homer Simpson:

 

TV - The cause and solution to all of our problems.

77 I got every job I ever had in school on my own. Delivering morning papers, flipping burgers, washing cars, tire/oil changer at Sears. Likely the only reason I didn't get thrown out of the house on my ear. I was an otherwise awful human being.

I think my dad appreciated the fact that no matter how big a schmuck I was, I was willing and able to get, and keep, a job.

78

Anybody know if this state of affairs was being argued about when they lowered the voting age? Did some politician say those lousy kids will vote for moar free shit and not work? I'm betting yes.

79 My niece is a college senior. Her head is firmly up her ass, on a lot of issues that are diametrically opposed to her parents and even her siblings. She's 'educated' but not smart, from fashion but not intellect. Getting the direction of a belief is easy-- applying the intellect you're so proud of to actually dissecting it to see if it's just horseshit takes a lot more effort. It's easy to swallow the three-second sound bite, but taking the time to pick apart the flaws in it? No, they don't do that.

80 73 2 FOR 22?He's bad and he's fucking chucker.

81 Navycopjoe,

We keep missing each other.  Where's the link?!?! 

82

I run my house under the benevolent tyrant model

 

Benevolent?

 

RINO!

83 Caroline Kennedy as ambassador to Japan = the PT-109 Apology Tour.

84 The family communist.


That's pretty funny.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 01, 2013 02:48 PM (xmcEQ)

Yeah we can take the whole "it looks socialist/fascist/communist" thing off the rails sometimes, and I think this is a perfect example of it.  There's a stark difference between parents who choose how the resources they generate (i.e. money, etc.) are distributed amongst the family and government jumping in and redistributing "according to need."  If anyone's parents are regularly redistributing their kid's money from their lawn cutting business, something is wrong.

85 As I said this morning, there are a lot of current conservatives who weren't talked into it, they came to it simply because so many lefties they knew were raging assholes

That's how I got here

86 I was kinda a Liberal thru College and then in Dental School I started going to Israel every summer and then did a Residency in a Hospital in downtown Newark NJ. Took a sharp right turn in my political views and life outlook and the rest is History. I have never looked back

87

 

Working? ...That's for old people. They like to work.

 

I shouldn't have to work very hard.

I'm special.

 

88 And not just Farm Kids...they wanted it to apply to 'household chores' as well. I think that's one of the reasons I was a capitalist from like the third grade. I earned money for doing jobs, and liked earning money. My Dad had more money then time, and I was happy to sit on a tractor for a couple hours and make a couple bucks. Or shovel the driveway, or pull weeds, or wash cars. With money I could buy stuff I liked, or save some in the bank for when I wanted to buy a car. I learned lessons in 'carrot and stick' economic principles. I learned how to negotiate with an employer for more money, or more hours. I learned how to open a bank account, and balance a checkbook. If the leftists can make sure that kids don't get 'hooked on phonics capitalism' at an early age it will make their job easier.

89 I think it goes beyond that. We are into the third and staring up the fourth generation of children born into welfare dependency. There are young people (let's randomly define that as 15-25) who firmly believe that if you cut back on Section 8 or EBT or AFDC or any other type of welfare then they and their families would be left to starve in the streets. It's nearly pointless to explain that hey, your mom or dad or grandmother or uncle or whoever would get a job to take care of you when they don't see there being any decent jobs, apart from that whole drug dealing thing. Let's remove it from a more urban setting and place it in, say, Appalachia. Telling people that, hey, it's child abuse to prevent your kid from learning to read so that you get SSD or SSID for that kid won't sway people who believe they need that money to live because the mines were shut down. Telling them that the mines were shut down because of the EPA and the like won't get the mines back open. We rightfully mock the idea of government as parent but for many Kids These Day, that's the only reliable parent they had. Of course they think they should get free shit. They haven't known anything else. Why would they believe that they can work hard and succeed and take care of themselves when they've seen almost no one in their lives do that?

90 OT: go cubbies!!!! It's your year!!!

91 Dude, I have no 3-D vision and I can do better than 2 for 22.

I'll clank the first four off the rim, sure, but after that I can get maybe one in three. So that's ~6 for 22

92 86 PT-109 didn't hurt the Japanese(well,scraped the paint on that Destroyers bow) but  having to deal with her will hurt.A lot.

93 Because they think they are going to fail. Have to trump up other excuses like birth control pills, but it's really just fear. I think it's why pointing out economic doom didn't move the needle, and why FDR kept getting re-elected in spite of economic failure.

94 I understand what you are saying, and there is a little truth to it, but it smacks a little too much of Marx's "false consciousness" to me.

Let's take a step back and realize that receiving a college degree does not make one intelligent or well educated.  I think we call know plenty of people who have degrees, even post-graduate degrees, who are not that intelligent and we would never think of as being well educated.

People believe they are smart and well educated because they attended college - but that does not make it so.

Which leads me to my next point.  Liberal ideas are easy to understand (I mean the ideas as presented by liberals - taking them at face value) and have the added allure of being dressed up as being "intellectual" and further offer the emotional benefit of allowing the person to consider themself a "good person" who "cares."

For instance, the idea of taking from the rich and giving to the poor.  It's simple, and seems to make sense if you aren't too bright and don't understand human nature or economics.  And, it allows you to be morally righteous because you are "helping" the poor.

Same holds true for "free healthcare" or any other entitlement.  Sounds great in theory.  How can anyone be against that?

On the other side, conservative ideas are difficult because "a" doesn't lead in a direct line to "b".  Unlike saying the gov't will provide your healthcare allows someone to say - hey, the poor will get healthcare!  In our version, talking about the free market, how human nature and markets work, etc. leading to better and cheaper healthcare for everyone is not a straight line that is easily understandable by the average person.

So, to me, the real reason that college graduates tend to be more liberal is that liberal ideas are easy to understand (again, taken at face value) and the college graduate wants to believe he is smart and therefore will go with an idea he understands rather than ideas he does not. 

95 83. Ill send it tonight I'm on the iPhone now

96 #82. To be fair, if Reggie Love was there he would have been trying so much harder - a narcissist president can't look bad in front of his soulmate after all.

97 I'm not convinced that young people even vote on economic issues.

98 Ill send it tonight

Haha, you said that last time!

99 At 15 1/2 my parents made me get a job, and they certainly didn't take any of my money and redistribute it to my siblings. They did take the lesson of "perhaps McD's isn't a good place to work" and apply that. Strangely, I kept working at McD's while my siblings were routed towards retail. Until my brother, he was able to make pretty good bank doing Caddying, so he stuck with that. The other thing my parents taught us though was that we could always look for better work, I eventually traded out the McD's for managing the student center at the university (until I graduated then I traded that out for a brief stint at a grocery store and eventually lab work.) The briefer lesson I think was "nothing comes free, keep looking for work." Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 01, 2013 02:45 PM (Y0nDU) Same here. I can't remember when I wasn't working. Babysitting at a young age. Cleaning houses. Taking care of other folks' pets while they traveled. etc... Worked all through university, too. I never remember my parents even coaxing me to.

100 I don't think they're even thinking about economics. Economics is either magical thinking or a giant conspiracy. Of course, the top of the conspiracy is never a politician or a rent-seeking solar company exec, but still... We have an electorate with massive daddy issues. This comes from both absent fathers and rarely-there fathers thanks to divorce. Ironically, the pro-same-sex-marriage crowd isn't about same-sex-marriage at all. It's about thumbing their nose at daddy and what they perceive are old worn-out social norms like institutions that protect women from the lower earning power that comes from pregnancy and raising children. I hate to treat the electorate like a mentally-ill adolescent but they really *want* daddy (the GOP) to set boundaries, in part so that they can rail against them. They want a daddy to rebel against. That being said, did you know that Mitt Romney won the white youth vote (18-29)? 51%-44% according to Pew. The problem is a racial divide and electorates who vote race uber alles.

101 Althouse posts to a NYT article on how most people could live better on one income a generation or two ago than two-income families today.

A lot of her commentators are voting as "false." And then they cite to the luxuries and things we have today not available then. And they really believe The Grapes of Wrath was a documentary; all anyone ever had time for back then was working in the hot sun from sunup to sundown.

Gawd but they are stupid.

You know what makes life better? Family and friends.

Anything that takes you away from that makes your life worse.

And I think that attitude and belief ties into this: The young have been lied to so much about so many things, merely getting them to a frame based on common facts is neigh on impossible, let alone getting them to a realistic worldview.

102

Young people find  the Leftist narrative more appealing. Anyone  would, if that is all you're exposed to.

 

First, the Leftist narrative is Whatever the Problem is, it's Never the Fault of We the People. It's never a result of irresponsiblity, or laziness or poor  decisions. And the solution is always  The Government. Remember all the ABC Afterschool Specials? "Civic Duty" was always depicted as gathering petitions to demand a new playground  be built by the stingy town council, never that volunteers get together and build the damn playground. That same basic storyline exists today.

 

The majority of voters in the last election were like young people: I support spending  other people's money to fix  problems.  It's not complicated: If people can vote for more spending, without their taxes going up, they will. No matter what their age. 

 

103

So to lean to the right and to support, say, lower taxes and entitlement reform, is to risk a certain degree of social ostracism from oneÂ’s professional and social peers.

 

Which says to ME that college educated people are idiots    and a college education isn't worth the reams of paper it's printed on.  And I GOT a college education, so     I know what I'm saying.

 

I remember reading a study     a couple of years ago -- I forget where or what it was, so please forgive the vagueness -- that    had    people who got some college education up through a Masters degree typically leaning left,   while those who had no college education or who had a doctoral degree or higher leaning more commonly to the right.  

 

It's quite a vivid memory, because it struck me as unusual that someoen with MORE college education should be LESS likely to lean    to   the left.       But it also got me thinking about the learning cycle.

 

Before college you're     primarily      learning THINGS:  reading, writing, 'rithmetic.  The teacher tells you something, you repeat it back via a test or an essay.   There's not much there for interpretation (or there wasn't when I was in school).       You might right a piece arguing one point of view or another, but    those are usually reserved for later grades.

 

It's when you    you go to college to     that you're       required to    learn how to think, evaluate,    pose an argument,   prove a point,  propose a theory,   test a hypothesis, etc, etc.     The problem with    modern academia is that they DON'T TEACH THESE THINGS.   You're not taught HOW to think, but what to think.   You're not   taught how to argue, but WHAT to argue.     You're ability to actually conduct a scientific experiment is far less important -- at least in certain of the sciences -- than    the    hypothesis    you're testing   and the results you    produce.    Across the halls of academia,    diversity of thought is punished    while    consensus is praised.   This is why so many students who graduate with a Bachelors or Masters degree are such mindless leftist automatons.    They believe that they've been Educated (tm), but they haven't.   They can no more think for themselves than they could in primary school.    All they ahve in their heads are the things their professors told them,   and which they then regurgitated TO those professors via persuasive essays that received top marks despite not    including a single original thought.    It's    just    High School    all over again,     Grades 13-16.

 

But when you reach the level of PhD studies, the very nature of a doctoral degree REQUIRES some originality of thought and argument.     You have to be able to make your case and defend it when questioned.  You can't just spout back pablum that you learned in your Feminist Economics class; you have to be able to explain it.   You actually have to think for yourself.

 

That is,      if your    institute of higher learning     has a decent PhD program and isn't some kind of crank university that will give a doctorate to anything with a pulse so long as     it     croaks       the party line.

 

So while it's hardly   a given    that PhD recipients are    more    conservative than their   fellow students with less advanced degrees,   I think    that study I saw years ago is a bit of a light at the end of the bitter tunnel.    It's evidence, however slight    and    apocryphal,      that being able to THINK is a "cure," if you will, for the liberal indoctrination of the academy.        Once you learn to look at the world with a thoughtful eye, instead of a blind one,  the inconsistencies come into focus.   But you have to know how to look.

 

It's not much,     but     in this day and age     I'll take all the light I can find.

104 I run my house under the benevolent tyrant model. "Because I said so! [optional emphasis when needed - include "dammit" at the end] is the motto. My dad was more of the benevolent king. "You want to eat?"

105 95 Posted by: steevy at April 01, 2013 02:53 PM (9XBK2) Not sure that many people were taught that JFK was in line for a court martial because of his actions, which historians have whitewashed to make him a hero. He actually abandoned his post and was going to be charged with dereliction of duty. But Bootlegger Joe Sr. stepped in and, voila! Profiles In Courage. As a side note, the investigating officer was a young man by the name of Byron White, who later became an associate justice on the SCOTUS courtesy of JFK. I hate the fucking Kennedys.

106 Racist minorities becoming the majority is the problem.

107 So, the indoctrination of the youth by the unions is WORKING your saying....

108 Even though Obama scored 2 for 22 at B-ball and sucks big time, he's still better a B-ball than being president...

109

>>>If anyone's parents are regularly redistributing their kid's money from their lawn cutting business, something is wrong.

 

My mom used to do stuff like grab food off my plate when we went to restaurants because she figured she was buying and hey, appetizers. To this day my table manners resemble those of a prisoner's and I stab people with my fork if their hands get near. I also won't eat anybody's home cooking a lot of times. Pot lucks suck ass, church socials make me nauseous. Money that I earned was mine and I was very proud of the ability to go my own way as quickly as I did.

110 I do it the easy way with the brat Why she starts to stray from her mandated sainthood I just use this horrible phrase: "Want me to tell mom?"

111 I used to work in my Dad's Liquor Store growing up and in College. I learned alot about life there and a wee bit about Booze also

112 How can I possibly be expected to be motivated just knowing that there is so much racism out there? Posted by: Hipster Douchebag at April 01, 2013 02:57 PM (vbh31) Protesting is hard work. Ask Occupy.

113

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 01, 2013 02:53 PM (VtjlW)

 

 

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Add into that "moral relativism" and I agree with you 100%.

114

As I said this morning, there are a lot of current conservatives who weren't talked into it, they came to it simply because so many lefties they knew were raging assholes

That's how I got here

Me too. Mostly indifferent to politics pre-9/11, but I always defaulted to the 'conservative' option, not because they were so fucking awesome, but they always seemed the least crazy.

 

Plus, anytime some raging feminazi got in my face I wanted to kick her square  in the  fucking man-box.

 

So, conservative.

115 Lefty youth move right when other lefty kids always eat your food and drink your beer but never buy any themselves, and scream at you when you tell them to chip in

Then there's lefty youth who get tired of walking on eggshells around the special snowflake who thinks the world revolves around him or her

Or the lefty youth who get sick of being jumped on by other asshole lefties over some innocent remark

The Republican party exists today because so many lefties just can't stop being assholes for one minute

116

100 I'm not convinced that young people even vote on economic issues.

 

Economic issues?

What is that? It sounds boring.

 

I want to be a part of something that's New and Cool.

That's what makes me feel good about myself.

 

117 I'm gonna go with "because so many college students are over-schooled and under-educated".

118 I understand what you are saying, and there is a little truth to it, but it smacks a little too much of Marx's "false consciousness" to me. Good. I think we need to use Marx and Alinsky's language. So, to me, the real reason that college graduates tend to be more liberal is that liberal ideas are easy to understand (again, taken at face value) and the college graduate wants to believe he is smart and therefore will go with an idea he understands rather than ideas he does not. Yep. That's why you have to accuse them of being stupid and having bad intentions.

119 Because "youthful rebellion" is a myth, and aspirational conformity is what it misnames.

What different kinds of youths (and other nominally adult but not self-directed types) aspire/conform to is "cultural." Whoever they see around them (if only on TV) whose higher (if only marginally higher) status they covet, they ape and obey.

The family's being "communist" has nothing to do with it. It isn't communist, in the Stuff Marx Said sense. It's a "stratified tribal" society, and "the rest of the world" (including actually existing communism) is just like it.

120 As a kid the only way to get out of my fathers free (unpaid) labor market was to get a job. One of the big benefits to this besides making money was outside bosses yelled less and were less demanding in production and quality.

121 >>>my table manners resemble those of a prisoner's and I stab people with my fork if their hands get near

LMAO

Very funny.

122 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 01, 2013 02:58 PM (4df7R)


What movie was this about?  It's too long and I'm not reading it.

123 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 01, 2013 02:55 PM (XYSwB)


I'm not counting odd jobs prior to getting an hourly wage.
It's worth noting my parents did have to drive me down to the McD's and say "go, job, now" because I thought I could get by on the Odd jobs I had been doing.

Life lessons and all that I suppose (my younger siblings IIRC had less coaxing, I think that has to do with having seen someone go before you.)

My sisters also started the job thing later because they made bank as baby sitters until they could drive (at which point a job that primarily happened on Friday nights was pretty unappealing at any price.)

124 124. We call that being a 'sailor' Except for me of course, I was the model of sweetness and light

125 Former CIA director Mike Hayden credits “an incredible band of sisters” for the success of the operation that found and brought down Osama bin Laden. Now one of those sisters has been appointed acting chief of the CIA’s National Clandestine service. It is a major milestone for women at the CIA, the first time in the agency’s history that a female officer has headed the clandestine service. But The Post reports that CIA Director John Brennan is “hesitating” at giving her the position on a permanent basis, because of her past association with the CIA’s rendition, detention and interrogation (RDI) program. John Brennan? Oh where oh where are you Wild Bill Donovan when we really need you?

126 I was lamenting with a buddy of mine a couple weeks ago. We remember watching some of our friends become total Obamabots during the 08 election. Many of them had just graduated recently and believed he was their savior they were really filled with hope. Well a couple years go by, things don't really change for the better. Even though many still voted for him in 2012, they are now just bitter people. I was shocked how they went from a complete belief that he was going to improve things, to all out hate, not for Obama, for the system. Past 5 years has caused me to lose a couple friends, even one I really cared for. They don't believe in anything anymore, which is sad since I attended a christian university.

127 You know what makes life better? Family and friends. Posted by: RoyalOil at April 01, 2013 02:56 PM (VjL9S) yes and, chocolate

128 has "caustic" chimed in on this.....

129 Never try to teach a lefty youth anything, because they think their college degrees say "you already know everything" on it

It's when they find out that their education was mostly bullshit, they're in debt up to their eyeballs, and other lefties have their hands in their pocket taking what's left that some of them see the light

130  I used to work in my Dad's Liquor Store growing up and in College. I learned alot about life there and a wee bit about Booze also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 01, 2013 02:58 PM (9Bj8R)

 

 

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I started working when I was 8 or 9 years old  helping my dad out in  his store's meat counter.  Been working all my life (except a three year self-imposed hiatus because of drunkedness).  I'll probably work until I die.

 

But that's okay.  I  can  have, buy, and do nice things.  These leftist waifs coming out of school these days will consign themselves only to what the  gubmint will allow them.

131 I should also note that once I found out how much more money I could make with constant work hours (rather than odd jobs) I was very happy with the trade off.

132 Plus, anytime some raging feminazi got in my face I wanted to kick her square in the fucking man-box.

So, conservative.

This Canadian......his words are truth....not  like the others.

133 As I said this morning, there are a lot of current conservatives who weren't talked into it, they came to it simply because so many lefties they knew were raging assholes Was born conservative. Raised conservative. Waited once for the magic unicorn/great pumpkin. Realized I wasn't getting a pony just because & if I wanted one, I was going to have to work for one.

134

Did I also mention the garage requires your attention?

 

Lurking Dad:  See that pile of bricks there?  Move them to the other side of the driveway.

 

Sweep away the dirt.

 

See that pile of bricks there?  Move them over to that clean spot.

135 i mean some people have an ideological commitment to universal healthcare. My democrat mother on obamacare: Something had to be done. And, then she explains how the cost a particular medicine for a friend of hers was so high... Something had to be done.

136 You take 16 credits and what do you get, another semester older and deeper in debt.

137 Who complains the most about car repair and plumbing bills?

Lawyers

138 You take 16 credits and what do you get, another semester older and deeper in debt. Posted by: Roy at April 01, 2013 03:06 PM (VndSC) Well you might also get laid, but ......

139
My democrat mother on obamacare: Something had to be done. And, then she explains how the cost a particular medicine for a friend of hers was so high... Something had to be done.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 01, 2013 03:05 PM (XYSwB)

Yes, because government involvement always makes things cheaper.  Always. 

Democrat = missing a chromosome.

140 "Why Do Young People Vote for Economic Dependency?"

Well, for one thing, it's not being sold to them *as* economic dependency.

It's being sold to them as proud independence. As in, for instance, "renewable energy will create millions of good jobs and make America energy independent," which is a reliable Obama applause line on campuses.

Why do they fall for this? Simple enough.

They're chumps. Marks. Suckers. Easily manipulated. Trivially tricked.

(This despite their pose of being cynically immune to marketing and advertising. Not so.)

Obama told them that if they voted Democratic and backed him, they were all going to be given totally awesome "green jobs" saving the planet, that paid top notch wages and had amazing health and pension benefits.

A complete lie, of course.

Their reality is, and will be, perma-stagnation. What economic mobility most of them will experience will be a slow downward drift into iron fetters of undischargeable debt servitude.

"Hi, I'm Josh, and I'll be your waiter for the next sixty years."

They will eventually figure out that they were made fools of. They will be angry.

And by then it will be too late for the problem to be rectified. Most will be locked into lifetime economic failure. Not only will they live less well than did their parents and grandparents, they will live FAR less well, to the point where there will be increasing horror on the part of those elders as they watch it happen.

You may hear a distant booming noise at this point, past the distant horizon. That's me laughing my ass off at the Obama-loving youngsters in question. I have no sympathy for them. None. They brought this on themselves. Hoist on their own petard.

141 Actually, it's arguable that 'how to think' is pretty much inborn, requiring only assistance and a supply of truths.

I think it's more plausible that education fails at the first task: instructing people on basic 'what to thinks' - if, for instance, we felt too judgmental to teach people that an oak leaf in the summer is green, the sky is blue, apples are red and yellow, and so forth, but let them think whatever they wanted about it, it would certainly make it seem like those people were incapable of thought.

The reality is that thought doesn't emerge in a human being out the void; the human needs things to think about, the truer the better, and some basic 'what's. By undermining the structure of 'what's through non-discrimination, even if in a genuine attempt to remove negative or harmful forms of discrimination, the ability for 'why' and 'how' and so forth is undermined. If a man does not know that both a ball and a hole are round, we can hardly be surprised that he needs to experiment with them every time to see if one goes in the other.

Children are, in my opinion, taught the wrong 'what', a 'what' which is so at odds with reality, that it is no wonder they are strangers to it.

142 Gif pic of Pres. TardSauce missing a layup

Sure to annoy your leftie acquaintances on FaceBoof or Twatter.

143 I think there is panic among the elite classes that some kids are finding out that they're getting ripped off by the colleges

Seeing a lot of articles lately about "there's no student loan bubble", "college graduates earn 2.8 million more over a lifetime", and "the economy of the future needs more college graduates"

No matter how highly you think of your own kind and how little of The Others, it gets scary when you see trends that you're going to be vastly outnumbered.

144

And by then it will be too late for the problem to be rectified. Most will be locked into lifetime economic failure. Not only will they live less well than did their parents and grandparents, they will live FAR less well, to the point where there will be increasing horror on the part of those elders as they watch it happen.

 

Sounds great to me!

145 Who complains the most about car repair and plumbing bills? Lawyers Who has the worst running vehicle? Mechanic. After working on vehicles all day long, who wants to go home & work on theirs all evening? For free.

146 Just because Presdent Obamna is a person of color all of you racists think he is good at basketball. Plenty of persons of non color and persons of some color are good basketball players. Presdent Obama is too busy to practice basketball and golf because he is too busy trying to fix that loser Bush's problems. It is racist to call a person of color bad at a sport that also has persons of non color and persons of some color. This web site should opologize to presdeent oblama nd his wiff Michele.

147 This is the generation of chidren from the children of the hipster douchebag generation of the 60's and 70's.

Protesting and free shit is in their DNA.  They don't know any better because mommy and daddy (if he's around) teach that everything is unicorns and roses and no one loses ever.

When the harsh reality of the real world smacks them in the face, they're all pissed off and will vote for the first person that promises them free shit.


I think that sums it up.

148 Yes, because government involvement always makes things cheaper. Always. Democrat = missing a chromosome. Posted by: © Sponge at April 01, 2013 03:08 PM (xmcEQ) Btw, she blamed the doctors for the expensive medicine. The doctors. Then, she says, the doctors are bluffing; they won't quit practice due to obamacare. They are bluffing. Needless to say, I lose my mind talking to my mother.

149 Posted by: torquewrench at April 01, 2013 03:08 PM (gqT4g)


Good points.
Also don't forget the safety net is being sold as "freedom to take risks" which is a remarkably stupid idea (but the LIV's eat it up.)

150 Goodness.

How many socks of Mary from VT do we have now?

151 Gif pic of Pres. TardSauce missing a layup

Sure to annoy your leftie acquaintances on FaceBoof or Twatter.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 01, 2013 03:09 PM (mN8D3)

 

Sheesh, even I wouldn't miss that shot that badly.  Oh, I'd miss it, but I'd at least hit the    basket.

152 151 LOL it wasn't even near the rim!!

153 My democrat mother on obamacare: Something had to be done. And, then she explains how the cost a particular medicine for a friend of hers was so high... Something had to be done. Single payer for lawyers. Period. Let 'em argue against it.

154 >>> but don't kids rebel from their parents? Not when their parents are their "best friends." And giving them free shit. And not making them work. I expect kids (even, and especially college kids) to be stupid. What is unforgivable is the quality of parenting today.

155 I guess I'm strange. When my profs started longing for the virtue of socialism I longed for FUCK YOU ASSWIPE COMMIE BASTARD. Hummm

156  A lot of seniors revert back to childhood and become lefties by default.

157
Btw, she blamed the doctors for the expensive medicine. The doctors.

Then, she says, the doctors are bluffing; they won't quit practice due to obamacare. They are bluffing.


Needless to say, I lose my mind talking to my mother.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 01, 2013 03:11 PM (XYSwB)

Not like theDr.'s are regulated by the government and forced to charge that money to cover all the fun lawsuits they've been given because they chose to practice medicine.

158 Shouldn't Pres. TardSauce be wearing a   safety   helmet when doing those layups?

159 I think there is panic among the elite classes that some kids are finding out that they're getting ripped off by the colleges

Posted by: kbdabear at April 01, 2013 03:10 PM (mCvL4)

Yeah I saw someone made an infograph about how college was "free" in the Norwegian countries. There's kind of a premeditated attempt to blame this on low funding for schools. California republicans, wisely I might add, tried to block tuition increases.

160 Seems to me that conservatism leaves no room for conspiracy theories such as the left needs to explain why they are always wrong. For example, Boooosh and his oil pals lowering the price of gas to help him get elected a second time. That sort of shit looked stupid to me a long time ago.

161 The 'something has to be done' people aren't going to put enough thought into it to consider 'but what would be the RIGHT thing to do?' They sign off on any silly shit that gets served them, because critical thinking is hard. Every damn thing they complain about, every solution government offers, has consequences, and there is usually somebody standing right there at the time it's instituted pointing out exactly what will eventually go wrong with it. And, every damn time, they, the 'do something' crowd, abandon their responsibility to look at what the fuck they're signing off on.

162 I've seen MSM writers reacting in horror to news that some kids, mainly males, are foregoing college to make good money in blue collar trades

Yes, how could you learn a trade, make a lot of money at it and even some day run your own business when the bliss of colleges with their speech codes, hatred of your kind, and years of crushing debt await you?

163 Shouldn't Pres. TardSauce be wearing a safety helmet when doing those layups?

Posted by: Roy at April 01, 2013 03:13 PM (VndSC)

 

Did he think the backboard was a teleprompter?    Is that why he was aiming so high?   Because he was trying to read the words?

164 Romney and Bush (both times) won college graduates.

165 Grumpy Cats actual name is Tardar Sauce(yes spelled like that).

166 Goodness.

How many socks of Mary from VT do we have now?

Posted by: © Sponge at April 01, 2013 03:11 PM (xmcEQ)

Ace and the co-bloggers keep banning that moonbat lady, but she keeps on posting anyways under new IP addresses.  I suspect she has access to a computer lab at a community college, or something.

167 You take 6 credits and what do you get, another semester older and deeper in debt.

FIFY.  No hipster douchebag wants to get out of college in less than 7 years.

168 174 Show young people that gif and they will lose a lot of respect for the Obama "cool factor".

169

I think there is panic among the elite classes that some kids are finding out that they're getting ripped off by the colleges

Posted by: kbdabear at April 01, 2013 03:10 PM (mCvL4)

 

Good.   Let them panic.     They deserve it.   

170 171

Conservatism has plenty of conspiracy theories, though like the liberals, if asked themselves those people are Not Us. Of course the media knows they are conservative and controls the branding, so you know that goes...

Still, these days, one has to wonder if the effect of conspiracy can be fully achieved out of pure stupidity?

If that theory can be proved, so many souls could be redeemed.

171

Why Do Young People Vote for Economic Dependency?

 

 

 

 

 

Because they are lazy, perpetual teenagers with no integrity or backbone, who want to do nothing all day long except play on their smart phones, play video games and cruise the mall.

 

 

 

 

 

172 but don't kids rebel from their parents?

Not when their parents are their "best friends." And giving them free shit. And not making them work.

I expect kids (even, and especially college kids) to be stupid.

What is unforgivable is the quality of parenting today. Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 01, 2013 03:12 PM

The kids still hate those parents. ESPECIALLY those parents because they don't respect them, so they use and abuse them as they do the nerd kids who pay for stuff so the other kids will be friends with him

173 I think also that many young people lack the self confidence to believe that they can take care of themselves.  Therefore they vote for free dimes.

174 Ace and the co-bloggers keep banning that moonbat lady, but she keeps on posting anyways under new IP addresses. I suspect she has access to a computer lab at a community college, or something.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 01, 2013 03:16 PM (UypUQ)

I think it's others, honestly.  The writing style changes with each different hash, IMO.

I could be wrong, but it just doesn't seem to smell the same each time.

175 The left has an attitude rather than ideology. More of a pose than product.

176 Ace and the co-bloggers keep banning that moonbat lady, but she keeps on posting anyways under new IP addresses. I suspect she has access to a computer lab at a community college, or something.

::rolleyes::

177 "My democrat mother on obamacare: Something had to be done. And, then she explains how the cost a particular medicine for a friend of hers was so high... Something had to be done."

Yep.

A few years down the road when, thanks to Obamacare, your mom needs urgent surgery but there simply isn't anyone available to perform it, due to there being too many patients and too few surgeons, and she's lying there in pain on a gurney in a hallway, pat her hand and remind her gently that "Something had to be done."

178 Youth is wasted on the young. Just think of what we all would do in College NOW if we all went back for 4 years.

179 173 I've seen MSM writers reacting in horror to news that some kids, mainly males, are foregoing college to make good money in blue collar trades

Yes, how could you learn a trade, make a lot of money at it and even some day run your own business when the bliss of colleges with their speech codes, hatred of your kind, and years of crushing debt await you?

Posted by: kbdabear at April 01, 2013 03:14 PM (mCvL4)

________

It doesn't have to be a binary decision. One can go to college and then start a plumbing business.

180 I thought Mary from VT was a tongue in cheek sock puppet. You mean there actually IS someone that friggin stupid?

Say it isn't so.

181 Had to FB defriend my sisters kid due to her one single pro-leftist comment. It was a perfect storm of half a bottle of Seagrams one night, seeing her ridiculous post, then remembering her previous posts which were all about loving Disneyland and Snow White (she's about 23) but mostly the Seagrams. I'd had enough and blocked her. Shunning of people who think like that is the only answer.

182 Also it's riskier to pay teenagers under the table. Although from recent economic data I see it's happening often for adults. A couple teens I go to church with are begging me to hire them for the summer. I said, maybe but I would pay you in cash. Their parents kind of got a little miffed, weren't sure if that was the right approach.

183 Normally I am a person of peece and beleive in diversity and respecting persons of yellow collar, but if N Koranea does something stupid I presdent obama nukes them till they glow and use their ass's as runway lights for the recovering B-52s and B-2 in Pyoungyang. Don't mess with Presdent Obama because he is not week like that warmonger and loser Bush !!!!!!!!

184 192 She is,she is based on a real retard KayinMaine though.

185 Single payer for lawyers. >>

Or instead of student loans a Medicaid payment system for college credits. I just bet the schools would love to get paid half by the govt like docs do.

186 "Conservatism has plenty of conspiracy theories" such as?

187 >I think they begin to realize it when they move out of the category of People Living On Someone Else's Dime to the category of The Guy With the Dimes.<

Bullshit.

They just learn to steal dimes from productive people at that point.

And the government and their parents usually encourage it.

188 163 I love when people tell me that I need to be my daughters friend I always answer 'I'm not her damn friend, I'm her dad! If you don't understand the difference then do the world a favor and don't procreate'

189 Their parents kind of got a little miffed, weren't sure if that was the right approach.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 01, 2013 03:18 PM (NzBQO)

 

Why on earth would that be a bad thing?    

190 So, the cocksuckers in the MFM lied about the Newtown shitheel and his mother being NRA members. Shocked. SHOCKED I TELLS YA!!!

191 190Youth is wasted on the young. Just think of what we all would do in College NOW if we all went back for 4 years.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 01, 2013 03:18 PM (9Bj8R)

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah. I would get laid a lot more.

192 Stockton, CA has been granted right to file for bankruptcy as California circles the bowl.

193 Because they are lazy, perpetual teenagers with no integrity or backbone, who want to do nothing all day long except play on their smart phones, play video games and cruise the mall.


Posted by: katya the designated driver at April 01, 2013 03:17 PM

I wonder how many of them will meet up with the "youths" who gang mob the malls, assaulting and robbing them while screaming anti-white insults at them. Might make them rethink the old "whitey holds the black man down" stuff when DeShawn is holding them down and pounding the orthodontal work apart
 

194 People use too broad a brush to talk abut "college". There is a world of difference between someone who got an economics or engineering degree vs someone who got a 15th Century Lesbian Poetry degree. The former may skew more left than the general population but not by much. The latter makes Marx seem a centrist.

195 I thought Mary from VT was a tongue in cheek sock puppet. You mean there actually IS someone that friggin stupid?

Say it isn't so.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 01, 2013 03:18 PM (4Mv1T)

It was, but some have chosen to adopt it and make it their own, and do a bad job of it.

It originally was a good ruse for quite a long time.  Once discovered, "it" dropped off for a while, now, it's got different hashes and isn't consistent with the original.

196 Single payer for lawyers.

Period.

Let 'em argue against it.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 01, 2013 03:11 PM (T0NGe)

College professors too.....

197 The 'something has to be done' is a procrastination-action. Remember when you procrastinated a paper, and an hour until its due, SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE. There is some explanation for this in human psychology as a common pattern where

1. It is a result of procrastination
2. It is a result of infantilization before some kind of omnipotence; 'try to look busy' kind of stuff.

It might be said that that generation knows it f'd things up. So when its chickens are coming to roost undead, on fire, and carrying tnt, it's that 'Something had to be done!'

'Did you consider calling a priest, first?'

198 Let the games begin!

‏@BreakingNews 8m

Judge rules that Stockton, California, is broke and can file for bankruptcy - @Recordnet http://bit.ly/Z01A81

199

>>>Just think of what we all would do in College NOW if we all went back for 4 years.

 

I ain't forking over that dough again. I'll just do a trade, thanks.

200 People use too broad a brush to talk abut "college".

Thank God you're here to set us all straight.

201 the focus should be on, explaining the flaws in the liberal vision for people inclined to agree with it, but offering an alternative vision that doesn't exclusively focus on individualism. even symbolic gestures can go a long way.

Posted by: JDP at April 01, 2013 03:12 PM (60GaT)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Of course.  Don't teach them marxism.  Teach them Chavezism.

202 As I continue today's "trolling"--on Facebook, once pointed out the oblique smear job a guy was doing on Sarah Palin--showing the exact tactic he was using. Since I had nailed him, he went high and right, and started lecturing me on what a yokel I was, how dare I even speak, and what his political science profs had told him about critical thinkng. I responded along the lines that since he wanted to play it that way, guys who went to his college (which had had "university" (vice "college") in its name for the last five minutes or so and still had a lot of the "commuter school for B-minus high school students" heritage about it) didn't usually get to lecture guys whose alma maters were AAU schools--pecking order and all. He never responded.

203 "Conservatism has plenty of conspiracy theories"

such as?

Posted by: model_1066 at April 01, 2013 03:20 PM (7xPCu)

That the liberals have taken control of community college computer labs for the purpose of spamming conservative message forums.

204 schLOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRP!

205 Judge rules that Stockton, California, is broke and can file for bankruptcy - @Recordnet http://bit.ly/Z01A81

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 01, 2013 03:21 PM (mN8D3)

 

And I'm sure CALPers will be along any minute to demand they pay their "fair share" into the pension coffers anyway, just like San Bernardino.

206 Did ace do a movie review for zero dark 30? If so, and you can find it, can you link it? please No search on this site? Am I missing something?

207 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 01, 2013 03:21 PM (HDgX3)


Clearly you've never spent time in a biochemistry department.  Everyone in mine is a crazy leftist moonbat.
And the plain old Bio department tends to be full of AGW people.

Of course, in biochem I was staff (so I don't know what was happening in the classrooms) and I spent time at the field station in biology (where there's a lot less structure, so politics comes up over dinner.)
It's entirely possible my view is just skewed.

208

210 Let the games begin!

þ

@BreakingNews 8m

 

Judge rules that Stockton, California, is broke and can file for bankruptcy - @Recordnet http://bit.ly/Z01A81

 

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Excellent.

I was afraid that would go the other way.

 

If a City can declare bankruptcy...then so can a State, right?

 

209  Let the games begin!

þ@BreakingNews 8m

Judge rules that Stockton, California, is broke and can file for bankruptcy - @Recordnet http://bit.ly/Z01A81

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 01, 2013 03:21 PM (mN8D3)

 

 

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Oh great.  A financially broke city filing bankruptcy in a financially broke state.   You're right.  It's  popcorn time.

210 Why on earth would that be a bad thing?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 01, 2013 03:20 PM (4df7R)

I don't know. Do they think I'm going to take advantage of their kids. I mean I go to church with these people, they sure as hell know where to find me. Maybe they think their kids will find something better, good luck with that.

211

Judge rules that Stockton, California, is broke and can file for bankruptcy

 

Ah, excellent.  Right on schedule.

212 I wouldn't equate an economics degree with an engineering degree. Economics is only vaguely more solid than social science.

213 The 'something has to be done' people aren't going to put enough thought into it to consider 'but what would be the RIGHT thing to do?' They sign off on any silly shit that gets served them, because critical thinking is hard. Every damn thing they complain about, every solution government offers, has consequences, and there is usually somebody standing right there at the time it's instituted pointing out exactly what will eventually go wrong with it. And, every damn time, they, the 'do something' crowd, abandon their responsibility to look at what the fuck they're signing off on. Posted by: zsasz at April 01, 2013 03:14 PM (GzU1I) Look at what's happening with the Euro. Forests died for the articles written about how this was a bad idea and would end terribly, to say nothing of the pixels that were sacrificed. Those who dared stand in the way of Eurotopia were called deluded and worse. Now that those predictions are coming to pass, it is the fault of those who pointed out the problems, not the fault of those who created them. Critical thinking is hard. The kids in my research classes always became furious with me when I would hand back their papers and tell them "Okay. Now do exactly the same project but take the opposite side". As I would then use the puppets to explain, you can't defend your argument until you know the arguments in opposition thereto.

214 College professors too..... Posted by: Tami at April 01, 2013 03:21 PM (X6akg) Unfortunately, the wussmanities and social promotion sciences would be all for single-payer inasmuch as they're overpaid now. But how about for the social sciences? That's what they want.

215 There are some among the right who think 9/11 was a government conspiracy. I would assume it's not because Boosh is Eeevul, but because the Fed is evil (which it is.) The conspiracy part is where you assume that this same evil, stupid government, is capable of demolishing its own buildings while making a perfect set of breadcrumbs leading to the Saudi Arabians they've been so casually letting into the country.

There are other 'jooooz' related conspiracies, but that's pretty oldsauce at this point.

The warning for being conservative is, when life mugs you, you become conservative. If life bum-rapes you in prison for 20 years, you may become Beyond Reactionary (tm)

Embrace suffering in moderation!

216 Obama told them that if they voted Democratic and backed him, they were all going to be given totally awesome "green jobs" saving the planet, that paid top notch wages and had amazing health and pension benefits.

A complete lie, of course.
==========
That's what they tell all of them as to why they need to go to college; "the $200k/yr, bennies and 4 weeks paid vacations are all there waiting for you just get this piece of paper!"

That's what kills me about kids these days (and I was a bit guilty of it too), that all it takes is the right education and--BOOM!--you're rich.

No.

I have all that education, and now I know damned good and well what it takes to make the big bucks.

You have to sell something; and selling your time is the hardest way--everybody has time. And if you're working for someone else, you're selling your time. You want to make the big bucks that way? Welcome to 70 hour workweeks.

I won't do it. I refuse to do it. As I said above: The only things in life that can make your life better are your family and your friends. Anything that takes you away from that makes your life worse.

217 I'd have to disagree. Although there are conservatives in college the majority of students-whatever their degree of study-are liberals. That's because if mommy and daddy didn't raise them that way the school system did.

218 If a City can declare bankruptcy...then so can a State, right? Yay. Bailouts.

219 I don't know. Do they think I'm going to take advantage of their kids. I mean I go to church with these people, they sure as hell know where to find me. Maybe they think their kids will find something better, good luck with that.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 01, 2013 03:25 PM (NzBQO)

 

It just makes no sense to me.  It's not like you can magically get   away with paying them less just because you're paying them in cash -- the parents are bound to know what they make, and put up a stink about it.        I'd have jumped at the chance to work for cash as a kid,  instead of my measly paycheck that was barely worth the bank account. 

 

Very odd.

220 WZ's got the footage of Owebama sucking at basketball if you want to watch utter failure in action.

221 >>>If anyone's parents are regularly redistributing their kid's money from their lawn cutting business, something is wrong.<<<

My wife and her sisters, all eight of them with one lone brother, were  required to contribute 20% of all earnings to the family coffers, as long as they lived at home anyway. They all came out pretty well.

222 228 And did you know we are losing 2000 species a minute? A minute!

Posted by: Hipster Douchebag at April 01, 2013 03:27 PM (vbh31)

So by this time tomorrow everybody will be gone.

223 Why on earth would that be a bad thing?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 01, 2013 03:20 PM (4df7R)

I don't know. Do they think I'm going to take advantage of their kids. I mean I go to church with these people, they sure as hell know where to find me. Maybe they think their kids will find something better, good luck with that.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 01, 2013 03:25 PM (NzBQO)

It is entirely possible that they don't want to teach their kids that avoiding taxes is a good thing.  Or it's a fear of accident. Depending on the job I'd be a bit worrisome if the possibility of injury was present.  I'd never have done McD's under the table even for twice the amount, I got literally burned so many times, I'm just lucky none of them needed medical attention. (Ironically I did have to go see the company doctor after a fall in the freezer leaving me with a bruised up kneecap everyone wanted to make sure was not broken. I went knee first into one of the wire shelving units)

224 204 Stockton, CA has been granted right to file for bankruptcy as California circles the bowl.
Posted by: joncelli, dodging the Zombies of Sequester at April 01, 2013 03:20 PM

According to Enron Advisor Paul Krugman, California has a surplus, and marvelous tax hikes that will bring the Golden State back to its Golden Age

http://tinyurl.com/codl9mz

Krugman actually postulates that now that California is a one party state, all their "brilliant" ideas will be enacted without bothersome opposition

Oh, and he's pushing that "surplus" lie that was a one month anomal due to front loading of stock cash ins from December before new taxes kicked in. They're now back to at least 5 billion in the red, but Supergenius as usual leaves out the inconvenient facts

225

>>>And did you know we are losing 2000 species a minute? A minute!

 

*BURP*

 

Who would do such a horrible thing?

226 Judge rules that Stockton, California, is broke and can file for bankruptcy Ah, excellent. Right on schedule. Posted by: The Burning Times at April 01, 2013 03:26 PM (vN7SY) Everyone who wonders why I'm freaked out about bonds, this is why. What happened to the GM bond holders in bankruptcy is now precedent. There is not one reason to believe that the same primacy that was given to the unions will not be given to CALPERS and the like. The low rate of yield on munis was tied to the near utter guarantee of payment. That guarantee no longer exists.

227 231 If a City can declare bankruptcy...then so can a State, right?

Yay. Bailouts.

Posted by: zsasz at April 01, 2013 03:28 PM (GzU1I)

Well, we ain't gettin' anything from Cali, so pay up, red states!

228 >>>The kids still hate those parents. ESPECIALLY those parents because they don't respect them, so they use and abuse them as they do the nerd kids who pay for stuff so the other kids will be friends with him Yeah, they do eventually come around when they realize they've been screwed. My friend's ex-husband spoils his 9-year old -- pizza for breakfast, new legos every day, literally wiping his ass. I just tell her it's gonna hit the fan after that kid hits puberty.

229 231 - Which State will be first to beg? I would think NYS or Cali. but they seem too big. NJ? Ohio?

230 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 01, 2013 03:27 PM (VtjlW)

Heh forget the trees in this cycle.  People have been pointing out the futility of a common currency in europe since at least the 70s. IIRC Foucault even wrote on it.

231 Clearly you've never spent time in a biochemistry department. Everyone in mine is a crazy leftist moonbat.
And the plain old Bio department tends to be full of AGW people.

Of course, in biochem I was staff (so I don't know what was happening in the classrooms) and I spent time at the field station in biology (where there's a lot less structure, so politics comes up over dinner.)
It's entirely possible my view is just skewed.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 01, 2013 03:23 PM (Y0nDU)

______

The time I spent was in econ/business departments and while I didn't take courses in engineering, I hung out with engineers throughout college. Then again this was in the 90s and god only knows what college is like today politically speaking.

232 47 I realized Leftism was a crock of crap when I was about 4.
You can't take things and give them to other people who didn't earn them.Posted by: Big T Party at April 01, 2013 02:43 PM (WiQr+)


Did lefties not get read "The ant and the grasshopper" and "The little red hen" when they were kids? Maybe they viewed the ants and the hen as the bad guys.


When my sis got her first real paycheck, she called me up screeching about how much the great state of NY and NYC had "stolen" from her paycheck. FICA is a beast, who knew? The problem is that adulthood is so deferred now, that these lessons come later and later for kids, if they come at all. Which is of course all part of the plan to turn America into the next great socialist state.

233 189 And don't get me started on opposition to ghey marriage. The greatest injustice in human history. Human history, I tell you!
Posted by: Hipster Douchebag at April 01, 2013 03:18 PM
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Hipster...., you just do not understand that by not enjoying the state of marriage, homosexuals are oppressed..., oppressed, I tell you. Our town is dominated by "Hetero Only' water fountains, segregated Homo/Hetero schools..., you name it.

234 By the way, about the family being communistic: it is the duty of parents to shape and determine the needs and abilities of their children (and themselves.) Ideally that means they are capable, insamuch as is possible, to make such a small scale 'communism' work.

Ironic; Marx's descendents were so anti-family. Couldn't bear the competition.

(By the way, I think the problem with Marxist-Communist theories is they are too Grandiose - almost to the point of being a mental condition - historically *communes* that work are small and voluntary; and if not voluntary, semi-voluntary or hereditary. What primarily fails is all that makes this work on a small scale doesn't work on a big scale; it needs to be distributed.)

235 Krugman may well be insane.

236 And did you know we are losing 2000 species a minute? A minute!

Then they shouldn't be so darned tasty.

237 246

Hetero/Homo only blood banks, maybe.

That's not the fault of the Red Cross; that's a problem with something called 'HIV'

238

231 If a City can declare bankruptcy...then so can a State, right?

 

 

Yay. Bailouts.

 

----------

 

No. Just...no.

No fucking Bailouts.

 

A large portion of the big Stimulus in 2009 went towards propping up the profligate Blue States.

They squandered it.

 

If the Dems start talking about 'Bailouts for California'...it will be a gift to us for the 2014 elections.

 

239 If a City can declare bankruptcy...then so can a State, right?

____________

This isn't news really. Plenty of cities and counties have declared bankruptcy over the years. Orange County did in the early 90s.

240 Did lefties not get read "The ant and the grasshopper" and "The little red hen" when they were kids? Maybe they viewed the ants and the hen as the bad guys. "Animal Farm" was enough to scare the Lib out of me.

241 I told my college junior daughter that there is no freaking way I am going to allow her to hang around the freaking house all summer (like last year), with her freaking douchebag friends eating my groceries, and arguing politics/race/capitalism/etc. with me.  "Get a freaking job!", I said soothingly.  And she did, sort of.  She applied for a grant, got it, and is now going to be studying the "adverse" affects of fracking operations on songbirds.  Palm to forehead.

242 Selfish hen.

243 It is entirely possible that they don't want to teach their kids that avoiding taxes is a good thing. Or it's a fear of accident. Depending on the job I'd be a bit worrisome if the possibility of injury was present. I'd never have done McD's under the table even for twice the amount, I got literally burned so many times, I'm just lucky none of them needed medical attention. (Ironically I did have to go see the company doctor after a fall in the freezer leaving me with a bruised up kneecap everyone wanted to make sure was not broken. I went knee first into one of the wire shelving units)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 01, 2013 03:30 PM (Y0nDU)

 

 

--------------------------------------------------

 

 

You sound like a civil lawyer's dream come true.  Remind me not to hire you.

244 249 Krugman may well be insane.
Posted by: steevy at April 01, 2013 03:33 PM
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I'm not sure why you are saying that. Surely it isn't because he is calling for inflation as an economy-booster?

245

So the GOP is going to cave on illegal immigration?

Say goodbye your Constitutional rights. Once the dems have a supermajority again they'll ban firearms. That will just be the start...

246 "There is a world of difference between someone who got an economics or engineering degree vs someone who got a 15th Century Lesbian Poetry degree."

The overwhelming majority of economics being taught in contemporary US universities is the same old stale, failed Marxist/Keynesian bullshit.

Engineering is starting to suffer from dry rot as well. I know a bunch of engineers socially. Those who have remained in contact with their alma maters tell me that academic standards are slipping across the board.

One guy said when he went back and sat in on a few classes, he found undergrads in upper division electrical engineering doing work at a level that he had done as a sophomore. Because so much time is now spent on "remedial" work in frosh and soph years.

Cue C.M. Kornbluth's _The Marching Morons_.

247 No gay man in his right mind would ever walk through a hetero neighborhood at night.

248 My mom used to do stuff like grab food off my plate when we went to restaurants because she figured she was buying and hey, appetizers. To this day my table manners resemble those of a prisoner's and I stab people with my fork if their hands get near. I also won't eat anybody's home cooking a lot of times. Pot lucks suck ass, church socials make me nauseous. Money that I earned was mine and I was very proud of the ability to go my own way as quickly as I did.

My wife still eats quickly because she grew up in a family of five that did the communal dining method.  All the food was placed in dishes that were passed around.  Her Dad is a large man and if you didn't eat fast he grabbed food before you did.  Interestingly they don't hug or verbally express affection either.  I don't know if the two are related.

249 It is entirely possible that they don't want to teach their kids that avoiding taxes is a good thing. Or it's a fear of accident. Depending on the job I'd be a bit worrisome if the possibility of injury was present. I'd never have done McD's under the table even for twice the amount, I got literally burned so many times, I'm just lucky none of them needed medical attention. (Ironically I did have to go see the company doctor after a fall in the freezer leaving me with a bruised up kneecap everyone wanted to make sure was not broken. I went knee first into one of the wire shelving units)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 01, 2013 03:30 PM (Y0nDU)

That's fair I guess, I wasn't specific of what I needed done. Still not sure what I need, it could be a variety of things, from filing of paperwork to mowing my lawn. I was just trying to help out a few cash strapped teens.

250 Part of the problem is that the left has defined good governance as "what are you doing for me?" But, good governance also includes "what are you undoing for me?" Just as in the human body there is controlled death and disassembly and not endless adding on (i.e.. cancer) to have a healthy organism. so, it should be normal for people to see govt programs and policies disappear on a regular basis. Just as cancer uselessly sucks up resources from the body until it causes death so to do these endless programs with their endless elaborations suck the natural ambition and ability out of the young and replace it with fear.

251 Unfortunately, the wussmanities and social promotion sciences would be all for single-payer inasmuch as they're overpaid now.

But how about for the social sciences? That's what they want.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 01, 2013 03:27 PM (T0NGe)

Nope, if all lawyers go on single payer, then all professors go on single payer.

252 Just think of what we all would do in College NOW if we all went back for 4 SIX years. FTF Me.

253 Which State will be first to beg? I would think NYS or Cali. but they seem too big. NJ? Ohio? I saw an ad by NYS on TV. Apparently they have all kinds of tax breaks (for now, it's an introductory rate) and have all kinds of private sector job creation (really?).

254 The last songbird I fracked was when I was 8. My aunt narced on my and Mom took my fucking BB gun away.

255 253 If a City can declare bankruptcy...then so can a State, right?


____________

This isn't news really. Plenty of cities and counties have declared bankruptcy over the years. Orange County did in the early 90s.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 01, 2013 03:34 PM
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Surely Maryland is on the brink. Of course the governor is whispered as a possible Dem candidate in 2016. He has all of the right qualifications.

256 Which State will be first to beg? I would think NYS or Cali. but they seem too big. NJ? Ohio?


Illinois

257 California is paradise now! Taxes, unions, litigation for everything, overbearing government by your betters, and best of all .... SUPERTRAINS !!!

258

Posted by: Charts and Darts at April 01, 2013 03:34 PM (NmnRL)

Ask her about the adverse effects of WIND farms on songbirds, that ought to open her eyes. 

259 Hipster...., you just do not understand that by not enjoying the state of marriage, homosexuals are oppressed..., oppressed, I tell you. Our town is dominated by "Hetero Only' water fountains, segregated Homo/Hetero schools..., you name it. A study by Prudential in January of this year showed that the median household income of gays is $11,000 higher than the general population. Now THAT'S discrimination.

260

>>>Did lefties not get read "The ant and the grasshopper" and "The little red hen" when they were kids? Maybe they viewed the ants and the hen as the bad guys.

 

 

Nope. Stone Soup is a big one amongst that crowd.

261 Is there something today that the 20 something women find attractive about the jobless 20 something man still living with his parents?

262 If a City can declare bankruptcy...then so can a State, right?

Posted by: wheatie

The common wisdom say no because there is no U.S.C. section for such a thing. Counties and municipalities are governed by state constitutions, and most states have code for b/k.

However, as others have noted, they can go begging to the Feds. It's unchartered waters so anything could happen really.

263 275

He does not challenge their assumptions about masculinity.

264 Nope. Stone Soup is a big one amongst that crowd. Ha. Of course it is. It's a scam. It begins with a lie.

265 270 Or Michigan.

266 And since today I have to prove my credentials--Semper Fidelis being Latin for "ever mutable"--the great problem of the majority of those going to college today is that they are willingly led to the point where they are sitting on a dollar store's worth of knowledge and treating it like the treasure of the Incas. Whereas the great problem on the right is that our Establishment does the exact opposite.

267 If every college student becomes a life long Democrat, how come Romney, Bush 2004 and Bush 2000 all won college graduates? And in the super duper historic election of 2008, Obama only beat McCain 50-48 among college graduates.

College grads may be bleeding heart libs the day they graduate. But over time that doesn't hold true.

268 Nope, if all lawyers go on single payer, then all professors go on single payer. Posted by: Tami at April 01, 2013 03:36 PM (X6akg) But lawyers "earn" their money through dishonesty and proximity to government. They earn money because of the system created for them by the taxpayer. Call me when half of the Senate are math professors or college professors of any stripe.

269 Pentagon is full of crap.  No Purple Heart for those murdered at Fort Hood, 'workplace violence', not terrorism.

"A Pentagon position paper, delivered to congressional staff on Friday and obtained by ABC News, says giving the award to the Fort Hood victims could "irrevocably alter the fundamental character of this time-honored decoration" and "undermine the prosecution of Major Nidal Hasan [the alleged Fort Hood shooter] by materially and directly compromising Major Hasan's ability to receive a fair trial."


Front page of Yahoo at the moment. 


Heads should roll for this. -_-  Damned cowards in the face of the savages and their damned pedo-prophet.

270 "If a City can declare bankruptcy...then so can a State, right?"

I believe the sticking point here is that cities and counties are both incorporated, so the laws governing bankruptcies of corporations are applicable.

States aren't incorporated in the same sense.

271 Nationals 2 Marlins 0

Bryce Harper 4 AB / 2 H / 2 HR

You could say that the Nationals were really "dependent" on Harper today. I'm surprised Barky hasn't jumped on the bandwagon and taken credit for how quickly he's become acclimatized to major league pitching.

272 When my sis got her first real paycheck, she called me up screeching about how much the great state of NY and NYC had "stolen" from her paycheck. FICA is a beast, who knew? The problem is that adulthood is so deferred now, that these lessons come later and later for kids, if they come at all. Which is of course all part of the plan to turn America into the next great socialist state. Posted by: LizLem at April 01, 2013 03:32 PM (8wqqE) Kids These Days (by which I mean high school age) don't have jobs. Or, well, that's not accurate. Their jobs are to do all the extracurricular life affirming volunteer bullshit that they have to put on their college applications to make sure they get into college. Seriously, I listen to people talking about what their kids are doing and it makes my jaw drop. Hell, I was student council vice-president (Protip: never leave the room during elections to go to the bathroom, you'll end up being voted VP), a cheerleader, on the basketball team (shut up), was working 15-20 hours a week and was a straight A student and I still wasn't scheduled as tightly as most kids are. It's insane. That's also not even factoring in that kids don't have jobs because college graduates are taking them if there are any left after all the people who have been downsized in Glorious Leader's economy have snarfed them up. From what I understand, the admissions department looks at an application saying "Worked four years at McD's on a part-time basis, was employee of the month four times and was promoted to shift leader" and then looks at one saying "Synergized corporate sponsorship for the Race to Walk to Cure the Bigotry Against ADD" and thinks the second one actually did something and the first one didn't. Lawn. The getting off of may now commence.

273 I wouldn't equate an economics degree with an engineering degree.

Economics is only vaguely more solid than social science.

Posted by: zsasz at April 01, 2013 03:27 PM (GzU1I)

__________

Take a few econometrics classes and come back to tell me econ is easy. I did more calculus in my undergrad years than I care to remember.

274 Yesterday; Supergenius Paul Krugman: Don't bet against California!

Today; Stockton California throws Snake Eyes

http://tinyurl.com/ctob2tc

275 Semper Fidelis is "Always Faithful", or "always loyal".

Always mutable? WTF?

276  Is there something today that the 20 something women find attractive about the jobless 20 something man still living with his parents?

Posted by: ejo at April 01, 2013 03:39 PM (GXvSO)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Of course there is.  Free shit from two sets of parents.

277 Is there something today that the 20 something women find attractive about the jobless 20 something man still living with his parents?

Posted by: ejo at April 01, 2013 03:39 PM (GXvSO)

Standards for some have been lowered dramatically over the past six years. While others are still waiting for the millionaire to come down from heaven. Oh and there is no in between. They either want the dude with no job who lives with his mother or the guy with rich parents who doesn't have to work and travels around the world.

278 Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 01, 2013 03:36 PM (NzBQO)


Yeah I'm a fan of the idea of "minimal risk" and that's not awful at all, I'm a little more leery of things that involve ladders and roofs because falls are quite common and anything involving boiling grease.

Posted by: Soona at April 01, 2013 03:35 PM (WfXFj)


Dude it's a McDonald's.  Not getting burned was more of an anomaly than anything.  Hell half the burns weren't even my fault.
I'm not entirely sure how you avoid the dumbass swing manager deciding he can totally dump out a rocket hot basket of fries while you're busy filling orders and then he's suddenly surprised that he left a waffle shaped basket burn on your arm.  FWIW, I told him to wait 30 seconds and I'd do it myself, but he didn't listen.

Also, requiring ties when you're working deep friers and not letting us tuck them into your shirt is just moronic. (Actual policy!)

279 260 "There is a world of difference between someone who got an economics or
engineering degree vs someone who got a 15th Century Lesbian Poetry
degree."

The overwhelming majority of economics being taught in contemporary US universities is the same old stale, failed Marxist/Keynesian bullshit.

Engineering is starting to suffer from dry rot as well. I know a bunch of engineers socially. Those who have remained in contact with their alma maters tell me that academic standards are slipping across the board.

One guy said when he went back and sat in on a few classes, he found undergrads in upper division electrical engineering doing work at a level that he had done as a sophomore. Because so much time is now spent on "remedial" work in frosh and soph years.

Cue C.M. Kornbluth's _The Marching Morons_.
==============

There has also been a heavy trend towards the "Engineer In a Box" over the last three decades. Increasingly engineers rely on packaged software to do the hard work..., little understanding the actual results, but accepting it as valid.

280

This isn't news really. Plenty of cities and counties have declared bankruptcy over the years. Orange County did in the early 90s.

 

Yeah, things are exactly the same as then.

281

>>>>I saw an ad by NYS on TV. Apparently they have all kinds of tax breaks (for now, it's an introductory rate) and have all kinds of private sector job creation (really?).

 

 

You know how Leftists always say that whatever problem they're having is a matter of communication and branding? Same thing going on here.

282

Posted by: naturalfake at April 01, 2013 03:36 PM (j2lYi)

 

We created an entire City, whose sole reason to exist, is to make rules telling us what to do.

 

Lobbyists, and Congress, see Legislation as their Job... not Governance.... so, when you see your job as rule making, you make rules.... and empower others (EPA) to also make rules....

 

Until you have created so many rules, no one can do anything...

 

They then made it impossible for us to even ASK about the rules.... Prop 8 in California will probably not stand, because they say we the citizens do not have standing to even Ask the Court about it....  same with DOMA where they say since the Gov did not defend it, no one else may have standing to defend it...

 

And just like the Birther stuff, which while you may not even agree with the question... did not get its day in Court because they said no one even has the 'Standing' to ASK to see his documentation....

283 Is Jane D'oh around right now? I wanted to talk to Jane.

284 Well, at least in "Stone Soup" everybody got to eat the meal.

285 Take a few econometrics classes and come back to tell me econ is easy. I did more calculus in my undergrad years than I care to remember. Yawn.

286 Nope. Stone Soup is a big one amongst that crowd.

Posted by: Bigby's Helping Hands at April 01, 2013 03:38 PM (3ZtZW)

 

Aaaand the fact that "Stone Soup" is entirely predicated on using trickery to get what you want    is lost on them.

287 I have a hard time visualizing Krugman doing calculus when the son of a bitch adds 2 and 2 and gets a million.

288

274...Nope. Stone Soup is a big one amongst that crowd.

 

'Stone Soup'...that's perfect.

 

I hadn't thought of that old story in years.

But it is a perfect metaphor for what Barky and the Dems have been pushing!

 

289 But lawyers "earn" their money through dishonesty and proximity to government. They earn money because of the system created for them by the taxpayer.

Call me when half of the Senate are math professors or college professors of any stripe.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 01, 2013 03:40 PM (T0NGe)

But college professors turn out the leftist idiots this thread is talking about....

290 Take a few econometrics classes and come back to tell me econ is easy. Economists still argue theories they've had for centuries. If you're wrong in engineering your bridge falls down.

291 288 Yesterday; Supergenius Paul Krugman: Don't bet against California!

Today; Stockton California throws Snake Eyes

http://tinyurl.com/ctob2tc
Posted by: kbdabear at April 01, 2013 03:42 PM (mCvL4)

Tomorrow : California bails out the world !

292 274
>>>Did lefties not get read "The ant and the grasshopper" and "The little red hen" when they were kids? Maybe they viewed the ants and the hen as the bad guys.


Nope. Stone Soup is a big one amongst that crowd. Posted by: Bigby's Helping Hands at April 01, 2013 03:38 PM
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Additionally, they did not play childhood games such as "Simon Says", or the variant "Mother May I?" which instilled both politeness, and respect for rules.

293 294

This isn't news really. Plenty of cities and counties have declared bankruptcy over the years. Orange County did in the early 90s.

Yeah, things are exactly the same as then.

Posted by: Public Sector Pensions Everywhere at April 01, 2013 03:43 PM (vN7SY)

______________

Huh? I said cities and counties have declared bankruptcy before and the fact Stockton has declared BK isn't that earth shattering. The poster who brought his up implied that this was some sort of precedent. It's not.

294 People are exposed to Leftism, and only Leftism pretty much from conception (if they manage to "stay alive" long enough). And prone to conformism (to a Leftist peer group) and deference (to Leftist authority figures, including teachers, professors, and Media ass hats). So... Later.

295 Increasingly engineers rely on packaged software to do the hard work..., little understanding the actual results, but accepting it as valid. In what way is this different? This is engineering at its core.

296 Now they have another broadway star? butchering G-D Bless America?

297 But college professors turn out the leftist idiots this thread is talking about.... Posted by: Tami at April 01, 2013 03:44 PM (X6akg) Require vector calculus and the problem will effectively go away.

298 Chuckie s is all over the local news today. The polls are showing people, even in NY, want the borders strengthened and the laws followed. He's realizing that he's on the wrong side of his constituents, thus the gang of 8 is born. In other places people have said rubio's involvement with chuckie will put him in cc territory. What's rand paul's position? Is he part of this gang of 8 too?

299 Economists still argue theories they've had for centuries.

If you're wrong in engineering your bridge falls down.

Posted by: zsasz at April 01, 2013 03:44 PM (GzU1I)

__________

Physicists argue over theories they've had for centuries too. I guess Einstein was just a hack, huh?

300 304 Take a few econometrics classes and come back to tell me econ is easy.

Economists still argue theories they've had for centuries.

If you're wrong in engineering your bridge falls down.
Posted by: zsasz at April 01, 2013 03:44 PM
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Or..., your space vehicle misses its target

301

When have young people seen the benefits of Big Government portrayed? Often. Either as righting wrongs or building that library in the poor section, etc.

 

When have they  seen the dangers of Big Government  portrayed? Maybe some political fantasy thriller where  the CIA operatives make people disappear - silly shit like that. Never in a real way.

302

From what I understand, the admissions department looks at an application saying "Worked four years at McD's on a part-time basis, was employee of the month four times and was promoted to shift leader" and then looks at one saying "Synergized corporate sponsorship for the Race to Walk to Cure the Bigotry Against ADD" and thinks the second one actually did something and the first one didn't.

 

This.   Always this.   In    "educated" circles,   doing volunteer work    at the annual   5K Walk For Breast Cancer Research is considered so much more indicative of an individual's    quality     as a student than does four years of part-time employment at the local convenience store.   The former is shiny and "engaged," while the latter is    kind of greasy and low.

 

Fer reals.  This is how stupid these people are.

303 So Little VIA and I spent the day doing quality bonding stuff.
And I asked him what he felt was the most important life lesson that I wanted him to learn.
His answer?

"Dad, life isnt fair. Now move forward"

It was a good day today.

304

The poster who brought his up implied that this was some sort of precedent. It's not.

 

Next you'll tell me I'm supposed to read the comments before responding.

 

Serious though, my apologies.  Misunderstood what was being said.

305 Physicists argue over theories they've had for centuries too. I guess Einstein was just a hack, huh? That Newton was full of shit. (Actually, Einstein was a bit of a hack. He never actually proved the theory of relativity.)

306 a cheerleader

You realize, by Iron AoSHQ Law, this requires pics ...

307 When you're wrong in economics, they give you a Nobel prize.

308 Nude one up

309 304 Take a few econometrics classes and come back to tell me econ is easy.

Economists still argue theories they've had for centuries.

If you're wrong in engineering your bridge falls down.

Posted by: zsasz at April 01, 2013 03:44 PM (GzU1I)

Good point about the Laws of Physics and such, but the outcome of wrong headed economic policies aren't that dissimilar : http://tinyurl.com/7wg6vjf

310 ah caustic is back snarky the bear.......

311 Basic Algebra (/b8+5) (/b 13) (curious with a new hash)

312 Actually, Einstein was a bit of a hack. He never actually proved the theory of relativity.)

Posted by: AmishDude, math professor at April 01, 2013 03:50 PM (T0NGe)

 

 

 

I was under the impression Astronomers proved it, then particle physics. Then atomic clocks in orbit.

313 Gee. Dr. Doo Doo argumentative? Will wonders never cease? Have a blast with your logical fallacies. Business calls.

314 They vote for "dependency" because thus far they are shielded from  the worst blowback on the results....

"thus far"...

315

I can sum up the problems CA is having quite well in a very short sentence:

 

People in CA drink Bwando, because Bwando has electrolytes.

316 The Shat punks us on Twitter;

William ShatnerÂ’s April Fools prank: Star Wars, here I come!

http://tinyurl.com/bregbkk

317 This. Always this. In "educated" circles, doing volunteer work at the annual 5K Walk For Breast Cancer Research is considered so much more indicative of an individual's quality as a student than does four years of part-time employment at the local convenience store. The former is shiny and "engaged," while the latter is kind of greasy and low. Fer reals. This is how stupid these people are. Not stupid. Bigoted. I'm convinced that's why they want you to sign the race box, otherwise they'd discriminate against those not in their cultural milieu and just not realize they're not discriminating against the "wrong people".

318 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 01, 2013 03:49 PM (4df7R)


I always wanted to put on my McD's part of my resume when I was in college "Offered a promotion I couldn't take because I didn't meet the minimum age requirements."
Seriously, New manager came in, worked with me for about a week and said "we need to make you a shift manager, why aren't you one, you've been here for 2 years they tell me."
My response "yeah that makes me 17 and a half, and that job comes with an minimum age of 18."

Even after I turned 18 I didn't take it, by that point I had enough raises under my belt that the salary increase to hit the cap wasn't enough to make it worth the extra responsibility.

319 319 AmishDude,

it was the hair.....

had to be the hair...

Thank God he wasn't an eocnomist

320 >>320 a cheerleader

You realize, by Iron AoSHQ Law, this requires pics ...<<


I'm willing to stipulate to cheerleader without pics.  Basketball player?   Not so much.  Pics or that didn't happen.

321 Semper Mutandis sounds like a GREAT motto.

322 "What's rand paul's position?"

On immigration, Rand is having to finesse an essentially unfinessable schism on the libertarian right.

One group of libertarians will tell you that a border is just another arbitrary government rule that shouldn't exist. Tear down that fence this minute!

Another group of libertarians, more realistic, will tell you that as long as there's a generous welfare state, you have to have a toughly enforced border, because if not, the welfare state just gets bigger and bigger, and that's just not libertarian.

The first group then says, "Yeah, but the welfare state should also be completely abolished at the same time we remove all border controls."

The second group say, "Sure thing, buddy. Right after monkeys fly out of my butt."

Cue endless dorm room rehashings with no change of position from either.

As I said, this schism can't be finessed.

323 I was under the impression Astronomers proved it, then particle physics. Then atomic clocks in orbit. My understanding is that these observations simply confirm some of the results predicted by it, but the mathematical model has to hold and be consistent. The proof that Einstein was searching for doesn't need observation.

324

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 01, 2013 03:41 PM (VtjlW)

Hah, let the commencening begin.

My sis has never been a slacker, thank goodness; she has a great work ethic and has goes the extra mile for everything she's gotten. But kids her age. . . she was kind enough to help out two friends when she moved to the city, they turned out to be communistic ungrateful freeloaders (but I repeat myself,) would fit right into an ep of Girls. She tried to help them but they preferred to sit on her couch all day, doing menial part time things while complaining about the man. And therefore my sis, who yes got a decent paycheck but also works hard for her money. Between that experience and the crazy NYC taxes, no wonder she became a libertarian.

325 336 torquewrench,

sure it can...simply by keeping them out of power they can both whinge together at "da man"

326 317 So Little VIA and I spent the day doing quality bonding stuff.
And I asked him what he felt was the most important life lesson that I wanted him to learn.
His answer?

"Dad, life isnt fair. Now move forward"

It was a good day today.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 01, 2013 03:50 PM
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I have great Ziggy cartoon posted on the fridge. Ziggy is in his pajamas and robe, the moon can be seen outside the window and he is watching the evening weather forecast. From the TV comes the message, "Fair tonight, followed by grossly unfair tomorrow."

327 When I was in college in Texas about 75% of the place was Leftist. It got worse in graduate school and when I got to Medical school it flipped to 75% Right. On another note: In the '90s there was a Soros group trying to start a National Student Union. The fees would be paid out of tuition fees forever, and every school in America would have 2 delegates paid for 4 years to coordinate with the National group. That National group could pour money into any campus for any reason; speakers, protests, strikes, whatever, and there would be nothing anyone could do about it. Last I heard it was voted down or otherwise failed.

328 Require vector calculus and the problem will effectively go away.

Posted by: AmishDude, math professor at April 01, 2013 03:48 PM (T0NGe)

So the only people that should be in college are those that can do vector calculus?  No one else?

329 Economics is different from physics in the sense that economic theories that are proven not to work still hang around. Mostly because those who believe in those theories will not let it go.

330 If you got your news from the MSM, including fox, and colbert and stewart and knew absolutely everything that is going on in holly wood...then you'd vote for whoever emails you asking you to vote for them and their ideas cause they sound nice and asked nicely. Parents begin the quest of getting junior or sissy into college, the right college, in the womb. They apply while pregnant. If you live in NYC and your kid gets into the wrong pre school, you move, game over. Too much competition and not enough time to fix things. The parents carefully craft the kid's resume all leading up to getting into the right college. Some schools now require comunity service all in the quest of getting into a good college. No longer do good grades or test scores matter as much as your extra curriculars. So, they have their parents running the show for 18 years plus the educators who want a feather in their cap so of course they think government taking care of you is fine, they've been taken care of and not had to make any serious monumental decisions their whole lives. The fact that the economy is bad, and kids are having to live at home or with twelve others in a studio is playing into this idea. It's not a stigma. In fact those opting for the studio are now telling those at home they'd wished they'd done that and going home. They haven't been made to grow up.

331

Take a few econometrics classes and come back to tell me econ is easy.

 

No one said economics is easy.        If economics were easy, the mouthbreathing LIVs who re-elected our dipshit Preezy would understand    why    Communism Is A Bad Thing (tm).   

 

Zsasz said, and I quote,  "Economics is only vaguely more solid than social science."      In other words,   economics is      ultimately   dependent on too many variables to be anything    more    solid than it already is.    Math can't tell you that    blight    is going to hit the      Caribbean   in 2013,     destroying    a   huge portion of the sugarcane crop, which is going to affect market prices on thousands of goods and services    and    adding to the pain of an already slow economy,  putting small    manufacturers out of business and    turning out    thousands of individuals to the unemployment lines,      because you can't predict those things.  

 

Math CAN, however, tell you that M mass multipled by V volume is going to equal D density.

332 So the only people that should be in college are those that can do vector calculus? No one else? Posted by: Tami at April 01, 2013 03:56 PM (X6akg) Of course. You wouldn't want people in college who couldn't write English composition. If somebody says, "I can't write an essay," you wouldn't say, "Oh, that's OK, you can graduate anyway, just do something else." Nobody in math says, "Thank God I didn't have to major in political science. That stuff will really pull down your GPA!" But somehow people (like Obama and Hillary Clinton) can proudly announce that mathematics is too hard for them and there are no consequences. In fact, they are thought of as "smart" and "intelligent". But there ain't nobody in math or physics who would say, "Golly, that law school just seems too hard for me, I'll stick with proving the existence of solutions to partial differential equations. Easy peasy!"

333 So to lean to the right and to support, say, lower taxes and entitlement reform, is to risk a certain degree of social ostracism from oneÂ’s professional and social peers. Oh, heavens to Betsy! The thought of that gives me the vapors. No, never gave a rats ass. College or no college, if that bothers you..... ...I don't give a rats ass.

334 Liberalism basically asserts that someone can know the way things should work in life. A liberal is someone who thinks they are that someone, aspires to be them, or thinks that the deciders will be their buddies. On the other hand, I expect most people to screw things up, steal from me, or try to tell me what to do, but like the million monkeys on the million typewriters, enough people will fall into something that works for the world to get by another day. That's why I'm a conservative.

335 343 Economics is different from physics in the sense that economic theories that are proven not to work still hang around. Mostly because those who believe in those theories will not let it go. Posted by: AmishDude, math professor at April 01, 2013 03:57 PM
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Vast numbers of Lefty politicos (and Yellow Dog Dems) still believe the myth that Roosevelt's spending programs ended the depression.

336 343 Economics is different from physics in the sense that economic theories that are proven not to work still hang around. Mostly because those who believe in those theories will not let it go.

Posted by: AmishDude, math professor at April 01, 2013 03:57 PM (T0NGe)

___________

That's a fair statement. But no economics theory can ever be proved 100% right or wrong since you can't have an experiment validating that theory the way you can with science/math. So that's why you have hanger oners since no matter who wrong they are, nobody can ever prove it.

337 Vast numbers of Lefty politicos (and Yellow Dog Dems) still believe the myth that Roosevelt's spending programs ended the depression.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 01, 2013 04:02 PM (aDwsi)

Even if you stipulate that as true it's completely meaningless in a post-manufacturing economy, so I don't see what they get from it.

338 hadn't thought of that old story in years.
But it is a perfect metaphor for what Barky and the Dems have been pushing! Posted by: wheatie at April 01, 2013 03:44 PM (5kUwW)

"If you like your soup you can keep your soup." Yup, sounds about right!

339 Per Mark Vonnegut (Kurt's son), "The great thing about a liberal arts degree, is that you don't go the rest of your life thinking, 'Things would have been different if only I had gone to college'...."

340 They vote and think as leftists because, at heart, they are cowards and bullies. Cowards for not standing up to, and pushing back at, the leftist tripe that their college instructors ladle out day after day. Bullies for thinking that, because they've become privy to revealed truths from the left, they no longer are obligated to think that any countervailing opinions have any validity and they are justified in shouting down holders of said opinions.

341 But no economics theory can ever be proved 100% right or wrong since you can't have an experiment validating that theory the way you can with science/math. So that's why you have hanger oners since no matter who wrong they are, nobody can ever prove it. Exactly. Math: We prove shit.

342 If a room full of monkeys typed on a keyboard they'd eventually type all the classics of Shakespeare. In 5 minutes they'd type out all the comments on a Phillies fan blog

343 They vote for economic dependence cause even the working one are still economically dependent on their parents. How many parents own apartment in cities that they never go to cause the progeny got a job. They pay the apartment and food and utilities, like they did in college. And, after the progeny get married, you have two sets of parents on the hook for the house purchase. I wonder if this generation will ever not be dependent. The only thing the parents aren't paying is the student loans because the kdis salary is so low they pay so little, the parents use it to say to friends, "he's paying his own student loans" like it's a badge of homor, never saying they pay everything else

344 351 Vast numbers of Lefty politicos (and Yellow Dog
Dems) still believe the myth that Roosevelt's spending programs ended
the depression.


Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 01, 2013 04:02 PM (aDwsi)

Even if you stipulate that as true it's completely meaningless in a post-manufacturing economy, so I don't see what they get from it.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 01, 2013 04:04 PM
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It is the subtext of the "Infrastructure!" argument...

345 356 If a room full of monkeys typed on a keyboard they'd eventually type all the classics of Shakespeare. In 5 minutes they'd type out all the comments on a Phillies fan blog Posted by: kbdabear at April 01, 2013 04:06 PM
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Actually the monkey thing isn't true...., not matter how many monkeys, no matter how long. Want proof? Check Huff Po comments section.

346 Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 01, 2013 04:07 PM (aDwsi)



Yeah, I know, it's still stupid.
Construction work requires far less manpower than it used to, and the US workforce has shifted considerably.  Even if we stipulate (wrongly, but for the sake of argument) that TVA did something, TVA 2.0 wouldn't have anywhere near the same effect.
The multiplier effect was far different when TVA worker ran out and bought a car (made in the US) a washer (made in the US) and some new clothes (made in the US.)
Now, 0 of that is true.  So even if it had an effect then, it's effect would be near 0 now.

347 360 TSRBike,

the *only* public work that would have a similar magnifier would be a space program geared to martian colonization IMHO...

and to be honest I think the multiplier is horseshit.

348 the *only* public work that would have a similar magnifier would be a space program geared to martian colonization IMHO...

and to be honest I think the multiplier is horseshit.

Posted by: Harlekwin15-Emergency back Up Angst ID at April 01, 2013 04:13 PM (LRFds)

The multiplier is based on the idea that money moves around further stimulating the economy.

And in 1940, this *may* have been true (again, we're stipulating it for the sake of argument).

In 2013, that's entirely not true, handing money to someone may cause most of it to end up in China, or Korea, or Honduras (where the shit is made.)

349 360

This is the point of what China has been doing. They know we are drunk on Keynes, so why not benefit too when we're doing that? From their standpoint, they have lots of underclass folks to exploit, and only the right bit of deception is required to pull it off. Produce goods cheaper, yes, but maybe not forever. The only point is to redirect Western industry to them, so that when Western countries pour money backwards into their economy through the government, that money goes to China.

It's sort of fair considering how many bonds they've bought, I think they're basically paying for these shenanigans at this point.

350 Which is an interesting thought; I'll bet they've gotten more out of us than they put it. As it turns out, the Late Liberal West was a Chinese Investment.

I wonder what the ROI was?

351 Posted by: RiverC at April 01, 2013 04:18 PM (El+h4)


Agreed 100%.  Which is why I don't get why the libtards fall back on "Well FDR did this..."
Even stipulated as true that FDR's policies worked (something easier than educating the idiots on history) one can easily cut their argument to ribbons.

352 interesting that snarky would be upset that someone painted their own home instead of hiring someone....yet realizes it's peers are insufferable lazy whining takers

353 HS Senior wrote this for the WSJ over the weekend;

To (All) the Colleges That Rejected Me

http://tinyurl.com/d44g4zs

354 @283 Ft. Hood shooter no Purple Hearts The government considers Hasan an enemy for the purpose of a drone strike on al-Awlaki only.

355 Another fine example of the left's propensity to point and call names and end up describing themselves. They point away from college and scream "inbred hicks," and yet what finer example of intellectual consanguinity do we have than the Perpetual College Student?

356 My 2 tax exemptions understand very clearly. Go to university. Get straight A's plus other civic commendations. Graduate with honors. I will pay the full freight PLUS extras like entertainment. Otherwise, they get Mean Daddy. Each one experienced Mean Daddy once in their life. They do remember. Heh. I recall a conversation with the up and coming Mechanical Engineer. He said, "I should be nice to him as he will be the one picking out MY retirement home". With out missing a beat, I told him, "YOU need to be nice to me, as I am the one who will cut you out of my will"... hahaha. Truth be told, I am blessed with the most awesome son & daughter. But I had to put on my "Daddy Hat" a few times while they were growing up. Now that they are young adults we can be friends.

357 Nevermind we fill the pockets of the truly gobsmacking rich with corporate subsidies & tax loopholes the size of Wisconsin (thank you very much, Gov. Scott Walker, xxxoooxxx, the Koch Bros)

358 Speaking of He Who Holds the Dimes, I found 60 odd dollars worth of silver dimes and war nickels at work today. And I been polishing ever since.

359 372Speaking of He Who Holds the Dimes, I found 60 odd dollars worth of silver dimes and war nickels at work today. And I been polishing ever since.

Posted by: Socktopus at April 01, 2013 10:00 PM (1FLBb)

Stop it!

A. You are ruining any collectible value.

B. If just worth bullion value you are reducing that also.

Sorry, as an old time coin collector I felt an intervention was needed, and other morons forwarned.  Just NOT the thing to do.  Congrats on your find.

360 Stop it!A. You are ruining any collectible value.B. If just worth bullion value you are reducing that also.Sorry, as an old time coin collector I felt an intervention was needed, and other morons forwarned. Just NOT the thing to do. Congrats on your find. Posted by: The Farmer at April 01, 2013 10:14 PM (NaloF) ----- Thank you for the advice. Please explain!

361 Also, would you still clean with soap and water? Rather, what, if any, cleaning should be done? I have a job where I come across a lot of US and CN coin and I know what to look for with the silver (hard to miss once you know what to look for) and I aim to keep collecting it as I find it and I'd like to know. One of these war nickels was almost entirely black. Couldn't read the date but I could feel the 'P'.