October 24, 2013

Why Hillary Clinton Isn't The Inevitable 2016 Democratic Nominee, Let Alone Winner Of The General Election
— DrewM

There lots of talk out there about how Hillary Clinton is going to walk away with the Democrat nomination for President in 2016 and then sweep into over the charred remains of whatever sacrificial lamb the GOP offers up.

My response to that idea: Nuts. In fact, I don't think she'll run, and if she does she won't be the nominee, and if she is, she'll lose the general.

But assuming she does run for the nomination letÂ’s remember a few things about Hillary:

For starters, she’s not a very good candidate. After spending much of the 2008 cycle as the “inevitable” nominee it turned out she was quite evitable (fun fact, that’s actually a word).

A disorganized and bloated campaign team, her accent of the week depending on the crowd she was talking to and her earthy every woman drinking habits, Hillary annoyed a lot of people. She may have been “likable enough” as Barack Obama famously put it but not enough to win over Democrats. Remember her big breakthrough in terms of connecting with voters was when she cried on the eve of the New Hampshire primary. Had she not done that, the nomination race between her and Obama might not have lasted as long as it did.

Democrats in general don’t like re-run candidates. The GOP is the party of “next in line” while the Democrats are the party “Ohhhhh….Shiny!”. Maybe the chance to elect the first woman President will be enough to overcome the Democrats historic resistance to giving losers a second look. Since the birth of the modern primary contest in 1968, the Democrats have only nominated someone for President who ran for the nomination before once…Al Gore ran in 1988 and won the nomination in 2000. Of course he was the siting Vice President at the time so it was a unique situation (Walter Mondale was the nominee in 84, having lost with Jimmy Carter in 80 but he never ran on his own prior to 84).

History isnÂ’t destiny but odds are the Democrats will stay true to form and fall for someone new and exciting. This doesnÂ’t bode well for Joe Biden either (though he might get the sitting VP exemption).

But the Democrats will want to make history and nominate a woman more than find someone shiny and new to get behind you say. Well, it might not be an either/or situation. Luckily for Democrats they may get to do that AND have the chance to make history if Elizabeth Warren runs.

And let’s not forget that Hillary’s record of accomplishment is still pretty spotty. Yes, she was able to squirm out too much blame for Benghazi the first time around but you can bet Biden isn’t going to lay down quietly while Hillary runs around taking credit for Obama’s “gutsy calls” and saying Biden was frady scared. Biden is a whacky guy but he’s been around the block a lot more times than Hillary. He’s got a network of his own and he knows where plenty of bodies are buried. No one doubts there’s plenty of dirt out there on Hillary and not only will Biden know about it, he’ll know how to get it out into the public. A primary battle between two top veterans of the Obama administration will simply lay the ground work GOP attacks to come later.

And about being a veteran of the Obama administrationÂ…thatÂ’s not looking so hot right about now is it? Sure itÂ’s a long way to go and Hillary got out before the ACA mess hit the front pages but one year into ObamaÂ’s second term and IÂ’m not getting the sense thereÂ’s going to be a lot of energy for what would amount to a 3rd Obama term.

Yes, Hillary was on the foreign policy side of the shop but from the failed stimulus plan, and “cash for clunkers” to record debt and the ACA, there’s a lot of wreckage to answer for. Hillary simply isn’t a good enough politician to avoid responsibility for 8 years of Democratic missteps as Obama was.

Speaking of 8 years of Democratic disastersÂ….three straight presidential terms for a party is a pretty rare thing. Since the passage of the Twenty-Second Amendment (limiting a President to two terms), only once has a party held the White House in three consecutive elections (Reagan in 80 and 84 and George H.W. Bush in 8 . Al Gore couldnÂ’t parlay the seeming peace and the prosperity of the go-go economy of the 90s into a 3rd Democrat term (though he came close by winning the popular vote).

One other factor to consider is who the GOP nominates (assuming Hillary is the nominee). One can hope, though maybe expect is too strong, that next time around the Republicans will manage to nominate someone who isnÂ’t as inept and out of step with the electorate as Mitt Romney was.

A last factor to consider is age. Hillary is going to be 66 in two days. That means when we get to the start of primary voting in a little over 2 years (January/February of 2016) sheÂ’s going to be 68 and will turn 69 just before election day of 2016. Some people will say itÂ’s sexist to think about age and appearance but in a world of high-definition TV, these things matter. McCain and Romney were about the same age as Hillary will be and they didnÂ’t fare so well against a younger, more energetic candidate (and for all his other faults, Romney is a freak of nature when it comes to appearance and energy for a guy his age). DonÂ’t forget, Hillary had some health issues towards the end of her tenure as Secretary of State and people were talking about her being rundown after 4 years traveling the world.

Maybe the stunt casting of electing the first woman will be enough to overcome the economic ennui of the Obama years or the fiasco we are seeing unfolding that is the Affordable Care Act wonÂ’t look so bad by the time Hillary runs for the nomination or in the general but to say the combination of facts as we know them at this moments means Hillary Clinton is simply killing time until noon on January 20, 2017 is either wishcasting by Team Clinton or the residual disbelief among Republicans that Obama was able to win reelection given the status of the economy.

Posted by: DrewM at 08:00 AM | Comments (426)
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1 Stompenage !

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 24, 2013 08:00 AM (nTgAI)

2 She'll also be 69 years old and does not have the best of health profiles.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at October 24, 2013 08:01 AM (659DL)

3 Nice typing.

Posted by: DM at October 24, 2013 08:01 AM (LaKlJ)

4 All that. Plus, I don't know how many more facelifts she can take.

Posted by: Sphynx at October 24, 2013 08:03 AM (OZmbA)

5 All that. Plus, I don't know how many more facelifts she can take.

Posted by: Sphynx at October 24, 2013 08:03 AM (OZmbA)

6 She is shrill. Her voice is grating.

She couldn't beat Obama, whose resume read like he was 26, just out of a graduate program in Social Welfare Studies.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 24, 2013 08:03 AM (oJ5Fd)

7 She is shrill. Her voice is grating.

She couldn't beat Obama, whose resume read like he was 26, just out of a graduate program in Social Welfare Studies.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 24, 2013 08:03 AM (oJ5Fd)

8 Qualifications?  Experience?  Accomplishments?


These are democrats we're talking about.  None of that shit matters.

Posted by: EC at October 24, 2013 08:03 AM (GQ8sn)

9 Biden gets the incumbent/special needs sympathy vote twofer.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 24, 2013 08:03 AM (+lsX1)

10 Qualifications?  Experience?  Accomplishments?


These are democrats we're talking about.  None of that shit matters.

Posted by: EC at October 24, 2013 08:03 AM (GQ8sn)

11 Biden gets the incumbent/special needs sympathy vote twofer.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 24, 2013 08:03 AM (+lsX1)

12 I think Hillary! will run and I think she's gonna win.

The GOP actions on amnesty, and rank refusal to attack Obama tell me they are trying to learn Pander bear politics.

No way in hell will they master the Pander bear to the point they dislodge Queen Pander.

I for one welcome our new Marxist overlords.

In the event of a Lieawatha Presidency invest in SPF 4500 sun block...

*nuked*

Posted by: The Moonbat Media at October 24, 2013 08:04 AM (9jfyN)

13 I think Hillary! will run and I think she's gonna win.

The GOP actions on amnesty, and rank refusal to attack Obama tell me they are trying to learn Pander bear politics.

No way in hell will they master the Pander bear to the point they dislodge Queen Pander.

I for one welcome our new Marxist overlords.

In the event of a Lieawatha Presidency invest in SPF 4500 sun block...

*nuked*

Posted by: The Moonbat Media at October 24, 2013 08:04 AM (9jfyN)

14 If Democrats want to make history and run a woman  candidate, why in hell would they run Hillary?

Posted by: Roy at October 24, 2013 08:04 AM (VndSC)

15 If Democrats want to make history and run a woman  candidate, why in hell would they run Hillary?

Posted by: Roy at October 24, 2013 08:04 AM (VndSC)

16 And please don't mention "69" and Hillary in the same post.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 24, 2013 08:04 AM (oJ5Fd)

17 After spending much of the 2008 cycle as the “inevitable” nominee it turned out she was quite evitable (fun fact, that’s actually a word). -------------------------- We are left wondering about 'flammable' and 'inflammable', but I digress...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 24, 2013 08:05 AM (aDwsi)

18 Good question, Mr. Reporter! But I feel a concussion coming on...

Posted by: Hillary! at October 24, 2013 08:05 AM (FcR7P)

19 5 CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 24, 2013 12:03 PM (oJ5Fd)

Ogabe beat McCain that was enough...

Hillary! or Lieawatha.... "it's time" I hear GOP women saying this shit.

Posted by: The Moonbat Media at October 24, 2013 08:05 AM (9jfyN)

20 She'll lock up the Dildohead vote for sure!

Posted by: wooga at October 24, 2013 08:06 AM (w4IDR)

21 Hillary can't win the general. She's not that into "Free Shit" for the FSA, and more into cronyism. That won't sway enough people to get a majority, no matter who the GOP run.

Posted by: Roy at October 24, 2013 08:06 AM (VndSC)

22 Posted by: Roy at October 24, 2013 12:04 PM (VndSC)

Maxine Waters/Kathleen Sebelius 2016

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 24, 2013 08:06 AM (oJ5Fd)

23 >>and then sweep into over the charred remains of whatever sacrificial lamb the GOP offers up. That's sexist.

Posted by: Caliban at October 24, 2013 08:06 AM (DrC22)

24 If Democrats want to make history and run a woman candidate, why in hell would they run Hillary? Posted by: Roy at October 24, 2013 12:04 PM (VndSC) Yep, Liawatha, Mary Ladreau(sp), the tennis shoe wearing bitch from Washinton state, That mexican chick in Ca. The list is long.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 08:06 AM (XIxXP)

25 I disagree with ya, Drew (shocka!, huh?).

First off, Hitlery is a Democrat. All sins are therefore forgiven (see: Obama B. H. and drug sales, missing records, terrorist pals, etc.). Second, she's a Clinton, and Bubba knows how to get things done, politically.

Finally, she is alleged to have Female Bits, and can therefore give her party a twofer on having President Historic First©.

Even a corrupt shrew can make it given those advantages.

Oh, and like Choom Boy, she still has a shitload of slavering fans....

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 24, 2013 08:06 AM (kaGpp)

26 Hillary is a nasty, entitled bitch. Therefore, I think she'd make a great successor to Jugears.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 24, 2013 08:06 AM (8ZskC)

27 And please don't mention "69" and Hillary in the same post.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 24, 2013 12:04 PM (oJ5Fd)

 

What difference does it make ? Scrrreech !

I have a feeling this one will stick with her. All her lies would make for some good opposition campaign ads

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 24, 2013 08:07 AM (nTgAI)

28 her earthy every woman drinking habits Actually, that's the one thing about Hillary that I kinda like. She's a fan of Maker's Mark, same as me. Not that I'd ever in a million years vote for her.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 24, 2013 08:07 AM (7ObY1)

29
Al Sharpton's shrunken head for Prez, 2016

Posted by: Sphynx at October 24, 2013 08:07 AM (OZmbA)

30 We need another female President?

Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at October 24, 2013 08:07 AM (FcR7P)

31 Interesting take Drew, but she'd have won the nomination if she hadn't been Out-Clintoned by Obama.  He rose cheating and deception to levels she couldn't even imagine. 


Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 08:07 AM (x3YFz)

32 We are left wondering about 'flammable' and 'inflammable', but I digress... Famous or infamous? The infamous El Guapo means.... Extra famous?

Posted by: wooga at October 24, 2013 08:07 AM (w4IDR)

33

"For starters, sheÂ’s not a very good candidate."

 

 

What the hell are you talking about! I'm not only a good candidate, I'm a BEAUTIFUL candidate.

 

 

http://tinyurl.com/pyrc3lv

Posted by: Hillary2016 and Beyond! at October 24, 2013 08:08 AM (57ubW)

34 Hillary Clinton? Just shoot a shotgun through the door. What?

Posted by: Joe Biden, SOOOOOOPER genius at October 24, 2013 08:08 AM (RD7QR)

35 America is ready for its Historic First Transsexual President.

Chaz Bono 2016. 

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 24, 2013 08:08 AM (8ZskC)

36 So did we just move the mummy discussion...no, wait, she's undead, mummies are actual dead.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 24, 2013 08:08 AM (/kI1Q)

37 Great campaign slogan for Hillary!: Spirit of 69

Posted by: Caliban at October 24, 2013 08:09 AM (DrC22)

38 America is ready for its Historic First Transsexual President. Chaz Bono 2016. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 24, 2013 12:08 PM (8ZskC) I thought we already jhad that.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 08:09 AM (XIxXP)

39 If Liawatha runs, the whole nation will learn about her disgraceful fabrication of ethnic background. Remember she almost lost in apparatchik Mass.

Posted by: Avi at October 24, 2013 08:09 AM (cnH4C)

40 In my opinion, Limbaugh missed a golden opportunity back during the Lewinsky affair. He should have had a Shanklin-like Hillary parody singer record a cover of "Can She Bake a Cherry Pie". I think this may be a moment for someone to do it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 24, 2013 08:09 AM (aDwsi)

41 All that. Plus, I don't know how many more facelifts she can take. If you start to see a goatee, it was one too many!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 08:09 AM (cUARf)

42

Oh, great. Another "historic first!"  And this time, it's "the smartest woman in the world!"

 

Blech.

 

How about an American president?  These days, that'd really be a first. There  are  a lot of folks who've never had a president that actually  obeyed the Constitution,   embraced  capitalism and the rule of law,    or actually did anything to make their lives better.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 24, 2013 08:09 AM (0HooB)

43 America is ready for its Historic First Transsexual President.

Won't be Chaz, it'll be Mooch.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 24, 2013 08:09 AM (/kI1Q)

44
Hey, what am I, diseased liver?

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 24, 2013 08:10 AM (OZmbA)

45 Won't be Chaz, it'll be Mooch.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 24, 2013 12:09 PM (/kI1Q)

First Wookie president?

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 08:10 AM (x3YFz)

46 It's too early to say how likely it is that she'd win the nomination or general (depends on who runs against her), but doesn't she pretty much have to run at this point?

Sure, she could just retire comfortably on the Clinton Crime Family riches, but she's going through all the motions that a future candidate would make.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 24, 2013 08:10 AM (SY2Kh)

47

And please don't mention "69" and Hillary in the same post.

 

Seconded.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at October 24, 2013 08:10 AM (5iuEW)

48 I have gazed into her eyes and know she has the fire in her belly to win this thing.

Posted by: Huma the Puma Slayer at October 24, 2013 08:10 AM (DrC22)

49 Won't be Chaz, it'll be Mooch. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 24, 2013 12:09 PM (/kI1Q) Hmm. I'm not real sure about transexual, but most certainly Genetically Challenged.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 08:10 AM (XIxXP)

50 I agree wholeheartedly with Drew on this one: Hillary won't win, and probably won't be nominated. She's too wooden a character to succeed in modern politics. She's got zero charisma, and plenty of baggage. Other than the fact that she's a "she", and the Democrats would love to nominate the first female, what positive attributes does she have as a candidate? None that I can see.

Posted by: MTF at October 24, 2013 08:10 AM (XwDPQ)

51 First Wookie president?


Let the Wookie win.

Posted by: EC at October 24, 2013 08:10 AM (GQ8sn)

52 Is she runs, she wins. Short of health reasons - and she is pushing 70 so health issues are not that unlikely - she is running. So basically the only way she doesn't become president is if she gets sick.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 08:11 AM (0LHZx)

53 Her speaking voice is at least as good as fingernails on chalkboard.   It's a hectoring style.  Even though she's actually more reasonable than Obama, it comes across much worse. 

Posted by: Beagle at October 24, 2013 08:11 AM (sOtz/)

54 Hillary? I thought it was Chelsea's turn next.

Posted by: zombie at October 24, 2013 08:11 AM (+cx5n)

55 >>her earthy every woman drinking habits annoyed a lot of people Not me!

Posted by: Chrissy Matthews at October 24, 2013 08:11 AM (DrC22)

56 "Hillary can't win the general. She's not that into "Free Shit" for the FSA, and more into cronyism. That won't sway enough people to get a majority, no matter who the GOP run."


She'll be as into Free Shit as much as she needs to be to win.  The cronyism is just gravy.

Posted by: Jaws at October 24, 2013 08:12 AM (4I3Uo)

57

BurtTC, if you're on this thread, I said Haarman, but the last thread died.

 

Anyway, I'm carrying this over from the last thread:

 

Beagle posted this Fox News link in last night's ONT:


http://tinyurl.com/m2lz8hc

Soldiers attending a pre-deployment briefing at Fort Hood say they were told that evangelical Christians and members of the Tea Party were a threat to the nation and that any soldier donating to those groups would be subjected to punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

 

A soldier who attended the Oct. 17th briefing told me the counter-intelligence agent in charge of the meeting spent nearly a half hour discussing how evangelical Christians and groups like the American Family Association were “tearing the country apart.”

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 24, 2013 12:02 PM (wNF3N)

 

This makes me so mad I am literally shaking right now.  But at least we know the Army will be Barky's Waffen SS and can prepare acordingly.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 24, 2013 08:12 AM (zF6Iw)

58 sebilius is here in az today! she's going to visit a call center

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at October 24, 2013 08:12 AM (8JJ6O)

59

Agreed...

 

If Hillary were all that, she wouldn't have lost to some no-name back-bencher Senator for the nomination.

Posted by: @JohnTant at October 24, 2013 08:12 AM (PFy0L)

60
Not me!

Posted by: Chrissy Matthews at October 24, 2013 12:11 PM (DrC22)

Is it just me noting this or is chrissy drunk on every show?

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 08:12 AM (x3YFz)

61 Clinton gives off a more competent "patina" than Obama ever did. Obama was slick, like a TV anchor, like a bizarro version of Mitt Romney that hit all the right historic tags. But nobody ever thought Obama was a statesman, and (undeservedly, of course) Clinton will be sold by the media as competent.

Posted by: wooga at October 24, 2013 08:12 AM (w4IDR)

62 Disagree. Emphatically. Anyone who thinks a Hillary presidency isn't all but inevitable is whistling past the graveyard.

And why do you think the Democrats are so intent on getting sleazebag Terry MacAuliffe elected in Virgnia? Because the Clintons will need a running mate who's just as dirty as they are.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 24, 2013 08:12 AM (QXlbZ)

63 Huma will probably be the best-looking First Lady in quite a while, though.

Posted by: zombie at October 24, 2013 08:12 AM (+cx5n)

64 Posted by: CharlieBrownÂ’sDildo at October 24, 2013 12:03 PM (oJ5Fd) CBD-What resume did SCOAMF have? We know he was an Alinsky type and was a state senator that won only by exposing sealed divorce records of his opponent. Then he was keynote speaker in 2004 dem convention in Boston. I only remember Boston because I live near & work in Boston.

Posted by: CarolT at October 24, 2013 08:13 AM (mp17o)

65 Won't be Chaz, it'll be Mooch. Is Georgetown good enough to win the NCAA's these days? Great photo op if they come to her White House.

Posted by: t-bird at October 24, 2013 08:13 AM (FcR7P)

66 Other than the fact that she's a "she", and the Democrats would love to nominate the first female, what positive attributes does she have as a candidate? None that I can see. Posted by: MTF at October 24, 2013 12:10 PM (XwDPQ) I wouldn't discount the Dems' obsession with identity politics. They have to be champing at the bit to score the "historic" first woman POTUS after scoring the "historic" first black POTUS. Look at the way they panicked over the possibility of the Repubs scoring just the first female VEEP.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 24, 2013 08:13 AM (7ObY1)

67 Seriously, it will be Joe Biden and he will become president. He might be an idiot but he has great handlers. It will be like electing a sockpuppet for president and most of the people won't care so long as the government cheese continues to flow.*


*So to speak.

Posted by: joncelli at October 24, 2013 08:13 AM (RD7QR)

68 52 sebilius is here in az today! she's going to visit a call center

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at October 24, 2013 12:12 PM (8JJ6O)

piss off the roof of the call center and yell "It's raining!"

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 08:13 AM (x3YFz)

69 46 Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 12:11 PM (0LHZx) Thank your wife for me by the way. No seriously I recall your wife is a big Hoplophobe IIRC she is just the target audience for "DISSENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM...UNLESS OF COURSE WE'RE IN CHARGE..." and at this point "what difference does it make?"

Posted by: The Moonbat Media at October 24, 2013 08:13 AM (9jfyN)

70 T-Bone says, "Am I gonna hafta kneecap a bitch?"

Posted by: Fritz at October 24, 2013 08:13 AM (UzPAd)

71 Is it just me noting this or is chrissy drunk on every show? Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 12:12 PM (x3YFz) Actually he quit drinking awhile ago but he's so FKN brain damaged that nobody noticed.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 08:13 AM (XIxXP)

72 DrewM you are a lying sack of shit. Just like you were telling the people here last year that Romney had this election in the bag, now you are lying about Hillary. What you are doing to these readers is wrong by lying to them.

The majority of Americans view the republicans as extremists. Hillary is very well liked by the public and all polls show her destroying whoever the Republicans run against her. Stop lying to your readers and tell the truth.

Posted by: Delusional Fools at October 24, 2013 08:14 AM (hnC8z)

73 Hysteric First!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 24, 2013 08:14 AM (0HooB)

74

What's with all the "ad wymmenum" attacks  you guys?  

 

Oh, okay, just one.  

 

 

This ain't the Hill to die on!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 24, 2013 08:14 AM (lHb9q)

75 As with Mitt, the irony might just be that HillaryCare, no, Romneycare, err, obamacare sinks her.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 08:14 AM (IXrOn)

76

Posted by: Delusional Fools at October 24, 2013 12:14 PM (hnC8z) 

 

Is this trolling?  I can't tell, it's too close to self-parody if so.

Posted by: Austin in TX at October 24, 2013 08:15 AM (lKVc4)

77 sebilius is here in az today! she's going to visit a call center Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at October 24, 2013 12:12 PM

She's stopping by on her way to Mumbai?

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 24, 2013 08:15 AM (kaGpp)

78 When Warren runs for president, she'll win the democrat primary hands down. And then she'll win the general election because her demagoguery is hands down the best of the best. And because of Amnesty that the GOP is so damn set on implementing against everyone's demands. And because Chris Christy, Jeb Bush, or Santorum will be the nominee in 2016 (either Christy or Bush-establishment, or Santorum-next in line).

Posted by: NWConservative at October 24, 2013 08:15 AM (M1gmo)

79 The majority of Americans view the republicans as extremists. Hillary is very well liked by the public and all polls show her destroying whoever the Republicans run against her. Stop lying to your readers and tell the truth.

Posted by: Delusional Fools at October 24, 2013 12:14 PM (hnC8z)

is this a poorly written joke?

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 08:15 AM (x3YFz)

80 Hillary had some health issues towards the end of her tenure as Secretary of State

What? You mean that totally bogus slip-and-fall bump on the head she "suffered" just in time to avoid testifying in Congress about Benghazi? Bitch, please.

Hillary bathes in the blood of virgins under every full moon. She'll outlive Cher.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 24, 2013 08:15 AM (QXlbZ)

81 Like, why don't we like undo whatever law there is that says a President can only be elected two times so that Obama can run again.

And why does he  have to run again, we already elected him twice over the RethugliCon candidates, isn't that enough.

Sorry. That was a Venti two-pump Vanilla Latte? $4.63, please.

Posted by: Millenial Voter at October 24, 2013 08:15 AM (T+Zre)

82 Hillary 2016 - The 69'ing!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 08:15 AM (cUARf)

83 19

You are being honest here and kudos for speaking the truth. Hillary will be unstoppable in 2016 and Republicans are deluding themselves into thinking they can beat her.

Posted by: Delusional Fools at October 24, 2013 08:15 AM (hnC8z)

84 I think a lot of Dems look at her and believe in their blessed lil hearts that it will be a magical rerun of '92-'00. Because "Clinton." For all her myriad faults, she will be a formidable, if not inevitable, candidate, who comes across as the perfect person to fix all our problemz. Because "Smart Woman." The media will protect her *more* than TFG, if such a thing is possible.

Posted by: jakeman at October 24, 2013 08:16 AM (vH4YP)

85 Barkeep! Another shot of sarsaparilla!

Posted by: Cankles the Kid at October 24, 2013 08:16 AM (Dwehj)

86 Actually he quit drinking awhile ago but he's so FKN brain damaged that nobody noticed. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 12:13 PM (XIxXP) like our choom smoking, coke snorting potus

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 08:16 AM (IXrOn)

87 55 Clinton gives off a more competent "patina" than Obama ever did. What is this "patina" you speak of?

Posted by: Cornelius West at October 24, 2013 08:16 AM (DrC22)

88 Posted by: CarolT at October 24, 2013 12:13 PM (mp17o)

I was making fun of Obama's lack of experience.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 24, 2013 08:16 AM (oJ5Fd)

89 That won't sway enough people to get a majority, no matter who the GOP run. Please donÂ’t say this. The GOP will take it as a challenge.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at October 24, 2013 08:16 AM (QF8uk)

90 "piss off the roof of the call center and yell "It's raining!""

She can do it standing up, I reckon.

Posted by: Head Football Coach Howard Schnellenberger at October 24, 2013 08:16 AM (T+Zre)

91 You are being honest here and kudos for speaking the truth. Hillary will be unstoppable in 2016 and Republicans are deluding themselves into thinking they can beat her.

Posted by: Delusional Fools at October 24, 2013 12:15 PM (hnC8z)

OH!  You ARE in fact, a dumbass.  Ok.

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 08:16 AM (x3YFz)

92 Biden is an asshole and a retard, but he would be a hilarious president. With the right running mate, like maybe a deaf guy that talked weird, you'd have to pull the lever just to see how it turns out.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 24, 2013 08:16 AM (+lsX1)

93 Hillary = Evita Evitable

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at October 24, 2013 08:16 AM (sugnf)

94 I judge this post as kinda edgy... kinda vanilla spicy..   hmm  .    I don't think it will matter one whit who the Donks run in 16, they will be paddling up stream.  Their best hope is a Christie or Jeb Bush GOP candidate because there will either be a third party bust-off candidacy OR a shit load of us sit at home.

Posted by: Yip at October 24, 2013 08:17 AM (/jHWN)

95 Liz Warren/Ward Churchill 2016!!!!!

Posted by: Avi at October 24, 2013 08:17 AM (cnH4C)

96 As with Mitt, the irony might just be that HillaryCare, no, Romneycare, err, obamacare sinks her.

No, because she's going to run on replacing Obamacare with "single payer." The FSA will lap that up like sweet cream.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 24, 2013 08:17 AM (QXlbZ)

97 74 Gregory of Yardale at October 24, 2013 12:15 PM (QXlbZ) I call it Convenient Concussion Syndrome.... //Dr Sven J Olafson esq

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:17 AM (9jfyN)

98 Biden is an asshole and a retard, but he would be a hilarious president. With the right running mate, like maybe a deaf guy that talked weird, you'd have to pull the lever just to see how it turns out.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 24, 2013 12:16 PM (+lsX1)

and put rakes all over the west lawn of the white house, tongs up.  Hilarity ensues.

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 08:17 AM (x3YFz)

99 "What difference does it make ? Scrrreech !
I have a feeling this one will stick with her. All her lies would make for some good opposition campaign ads"

What are the odds a Krispykreme or Jeb! campaign would actually use 'em?

Posted by: Ken at October 24, 2013 08:17 AM (Vhtaq)

100 Yeah, Hillary sucks, but the only thing that matters is who has the most money, hence PR spin and in-your-face propaganda.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 08:18 AM (IXrOn)

101 I'm getting a Jharles Chonson vibe from the troll...

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 24, 2013 08:18 AM (7ObY1)

102 Clinton gives off a more competent "patina" than Obama ever did.


That stuff smells awful but it washes right off.

Posted by: Huma Wiener at October 24, 2013 08:18 AM (8ZskC)

103

Actually, the pecking order in the Party of the Rat is:

 

- Sitting/former VP (see Hubert Humphrey, Walter Mondale and Algore Goracle)

- New and shiny (see Peanut Farmer, Tank Dukakis, S(l)ick Willie, Jean Kerry and Teh SCOAMT, with a partial nod to George McGovern)

- Old and busted (only stuck in to partially account for McGovern, though he entered the 1968 race only after all the primaries and caucuses were done and finished a distant third in that convention).

 

The only way the White House becomes Hiliary Clinton's is if she keeps everybody else out of the primaries.

Posted by: steveegg at October 24, 2013 08:18 AM (o44nj)

104 "This makes me so mad I am literally shaking right now. But at least we know the Army will be Barky's Waffen SS and can prepare acordingly."

The army, at least most of the trigger-pullers, are *our*  sons, husbands, brothers, etc.  They are us.  

They'll put up with this shit in some scumbag commissar's PowerPoint, but not when the rubber hits the road. 

Posted by: Jaws at October 24, 2013 08:18 AM (4I3Uo)

105

@51 MPPP

 

The op-ed has a nice roundup of some of the other similar stories which show this is policy and not a one off.  And, as usual,  everyone denies it's a policy and nobody is quite sure how it keeps happening.  

 

Like the IRS being used as Mukhabarat,  this quit being funny some time ago.  

Posted by: Beagle at October 24, 2013 08:19 AM (sOtz/)

106 Hey, I want you all to smile so I want to share a holiday Cocktail Recipe. Freeze some really good coffee into little cubes. Fill a glass with them then add two shots of Bailys and two shots of vanilla Vodka. ENJOY!!!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 08:19 AM (XIxXP)

107 85 tangonine at October 24, 2013 12:16 PM (x3YFz) The person being a dumbass retard means they understand America better than we do Tangonine.... ie "Ba-Rawn-ko's got electrolytes" makes no sense to me but fuck if it is not a winning campaign strategy

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:19 AM (9jfyN)

108
Hey nut jobs, it's my turn and I won't be denied.  Bill promised me, and no conservative prick will get in my way.  Don't you know who I am?

Posted by: Sir Edmund Hillary Rodham Clinton at October 24, 2013 08:19 AM (pJF+c)

109 81 55 Clinton gives off a more competent "patina" than Obama ever did.

What is this "patina" you speak of?

Posted by: Cornelius West at October 24, 2013 12:16 PM (DrC22)



Hey, if there's any patina to be secreted around here, it'll be me.

Posted by: Billy Jeff Clinton at October 24, 2013 08:19 AM (OZmbA)

110

Posted by: Jaws at October 24, 2013 12:18 PM (4I3Uo)

 

I hope you're right.  But somebody's head should roll for that crap.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 24, 2013 08:20 AM (zF6Iw)

111 Hillary will be unstoppable in 2016

I'm a steamroller, baby! Well, I'm a cement mixer baby, a churnin' urn of burnin' funk!

Posted by: Cankles the Kid at October 24, 2013 08:20 AM (Dwehj)

112 My vote doesnÂ’t matter in MA. If itÂ’s Jeb, Christie or Santorum I am staying home. Romney was my last vote for anyone that I donÂ’t trust. IÂ’m going to drop out of voting unless MA turns red.

Posted by: CarolT at October 24, 2013 08:20 AM (mp17o)

113 No, because she's going to run on replacing Obamacare with "single payer." The FSA will lap that up like sweet cream. Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 24, 2013 12:17 PM (QXlbZ) True enough. But, if this crapcare continues down the spiraling rabbit hole and collapses, I am not sure how she could spin hard enough how a single payer system would be better. I suppose ALL GOVERNMENT control, over the mean, bashtard insurance industry is the win!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 08:20 AM (IXrOn)

114 I REALLY hope your right. 

My biggest fear is simply the "woman" card.  I just think the "first woman President" line is going to resonate with a demographic we already have major issues with because the nation has changed on things like abortion and homosexuality. 

Also, Hillary could easily play the classic Clintonian triangulation where she runs against Obama on something like ObamaCare and independents will eat it up.

Hillary though is definitely a poor retail candidate which is why she lost to Obama in the primaries despite having every advantage in the world.

But if any other Democrat gets the nomination, I think it will be the Republicans to lose.  You get an old, white male as the Democrat nominee from some state in the Northeast and it will be Michael Dukakis 2.0

  I honestly think it would be a smarter strategy for Republicans to engage in Operation Chaos on a national level to make sure she doesn't get the nomination.

Posted by: McAdams at October 24, 2013 08:20 AM (2B+6p)

115 Liz Warren/Ward Churchill 2016!!!!!


Old and busted: the Bull Moose Party

The new hawtness: the Bull Shit Party.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 24, 2013 08:20 AM (8ZskC)

116 94 Ken at October 24, 2013 12:17 PM (Vhtaq) Hey look a SMART POSTER! Chrispy Chreme and Jeb "teddy" Bush will use the patented McCain/Romney tongue bath technique.... you're welcome for the visual

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:20 AM (9jfyN)

117 Funky cold patina.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 24, 2013 08:20 AM (ujMoa)

118 101 Hey, I want you all to smile so I want to share a holiday Cocktail Recipe. Freeze some really good coffee into little cubes. Fill a glass with them then add two shots of Bailys and two shots of vanilla Vodka. ENJOY!!! Thanks, OPP. I'm going to try that.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 24, 2013 08:20 AM (7ObY1)

119 I like patina with sardines and crackers.

Posted by: Low Information Voter at October 24, 2013 08:21 AM (Dwehj)

120

When running for Senator of New York, she showed up to campaign in Erie.  Only after arriving did she realize in was Lake County Pennsylvania NOT New York!

 

Posted by: burt at October 24, 2013 08:21 AM (1+kJ5)

121 If you start to see a goatee, it was one too many!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 12:09 PM (cUARf)

 

 

***

 

 

That would explain the dimple in her chin.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 24, 2013 08:21 AM (lHb9q)

122

I think all of this talk of her inevitability is a means to keep other Democrats out. I am sure her people believe that her turn was stolen from her last time and so they're trying to ensure that no one else gets uppity.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 24, 2013 08:21 AM (JxMoP)

123 The person being a dumbass retard means they understand America better than we do Tangonine....

ie

"Ba-Rawn-ko's got electrolytes"

makes no sense to me but fuck if it is not a winning campaign strategy

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 12:19 PM (9jfyN)

Brother, I was on campus yesterday and two students were yelling at each other from notecards about gender identification.  As if they were studying something.  I didn't say a word just shook my head and walked past, thinking "do you have a dick?  male.  There, identified."

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 08:21 AM (x3YFz)

124 I think another issue is Bill on the campaign trail... lots could go wrong there.... and we all know what I mean.  I also think the American public is going to see him and he is going to look old.  I was talking to someone about 5 or 6 years ago that saw him up close and he was shocked how bad he looked.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at October 24, 2013 08:21 AM (C2//T)

125 Hey, I want you all to smile so I want to share a holiday Cocktail Recipe. Freeze some really good coffee into little cubes. Fill a glass with them then add two shots of Bailys and two shots of vanilla Vodka. ENJOY!!! Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 12:19 PM (XIxXP) yum

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 08:22 AM (IXrOn)

126

Drew, it's almost cute - you seem to think that any fitness or qualifications for office have ANYTHING to do with winning an election any more.

 

Obama is an obviously, completely, hilariously unfit, uninteresting, uncharismatic, bumbling, unworldly, really ridiculous public figure - has been from the start.

 

That he was even a state senator, much less a US one or PRESIDENT, is all about the degradation of the country and electorate, not about him.

 

Posted by: non-purist at October 24, 2013 08:22 AM (afQnV)

127 They'll put up with this shit in some scumbag commissar's PowerPoint, but not when the rubber hits the road. Posted by: Jaws at October 24, 2013 12:18 PM (4I3Uo) Are you so sure about the military? Look at other countries, most of their militaries have/would turn on the citizens when they are ordered to do so "for their own good." See the NPS, IRS, FBI, NSA. I think it is only a matter of time when they get the military too.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 24, 2013 08:22 AM (M1gmo)

128 Of course, the DemonRats might decide that the Obama pattern is too good to pass up. Run a white woman and some of the blacks might stay home. So maybe another black from out of nowhere -- say, Cory Booker? If Chris Christie gets the GOP nomination then Booker will sail in with 99% of the black vote and with conservatives sitting it out.

Posted by: joncelli at October 24, 2013 08:22 AM (RD7QR)

129 118 tangonine at October 24, 2013 12:21 PM (x3YFz) Quite....the best move we have left is to go to the hills and prepare to pick up the pieces... our party won't fight so why waste resources or passion fighting for the party?

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:23 AM (9jfyN)

130 Hillary though is definitely a poor retail candidate which is why she lost to Obama in the primaries despite having every advantage in the world. she won the primaries but lost the caucuses

Posted by: Avi at October 24, 2013 08:23 AM (cnH4C)

131 119 I think another issue is Bill on the campaign trail... lots could go wrong there.... and we all know what I mean. I also think the American public is going to see him and he is going to look old. I was talking to someone about 5 or 6 years ago that saw him up close and he was shocked how bad he looked.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at October 24, 2013 12:21 PM (C2//T)



I will be smooth as silk and getting busy on the campaign trail, IYWIMAITYD

Posted by: Billy Jeff Clinton at October 24, 2013 08:23 AM (OZmbA)

132

I was talking to someone about 5 or 6 years ago that saw him up close and he was shocked how bad he looked.

 

A vegan diet will do that to you.

Posted by: Armando at October 24, 2013 08:23 AM (5iuEW)

133 I can't stand to look ather.  Unless she's passed out drunk in the gutter behind the Chicken Bone Saloon.

Posted by: wth at October 24, 2013 08:23 AM (wAQA5)

134 Maybe the chance to elect the first woman President will be enough to overcome the Democrats historic resistance to giving losers a second look.

=====

Yup, I think the whole "Historic First!!11!" thing will give her the nomination.

I also think (sadly) that she will win the general because, as we have learned so painfully from the last two elections, you should never underestimate the power of Stupid People in Large Groups.

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 24, 2013 08:23 AM (OtQXp)

135 119 AndrewsDad at October 24, 2013 12:21 PM (C2//T) and that's where WE come in... //Ezra "Romney's dog on the Roof" Klein.... JuicyBox 6

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:24 AM (9jfyN)

136 106 Hillary will be unstoppable in 2016 I'm a steamroller, baby! Well, I'm a cement mixer baby, a churnin' urn of burnin' funk! Posted by: Cankles the Kid at October 24, 2013 12:20 PM (Dwehj) Go down right now, baby

Posted by: James of Stockbridge at October 24, 2013 08:25 AM (DrC22)

137 Quite....the best move we have left is to go to the hills and prepare to pick up the pieces...

our party won't fight so why waste resources or passion fighting for the party?

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 12:23 PM (9jfyN)

The one bright spot is when I relayed the story to my students they had pretty much the same response I did.  There's definitely two diametrically opposed groups on campus.  We haven't lost them all.  There's hope.

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 08:25 AM (x3YFz)

138 I Ainnnn in no wayyyyyyyys tarrrred......

Posted by: Shrillary Rugmuncher Clinton at October 24, 2013 08:25 AM (32Ze2)

139 128 I can't stand to look ather. Unless she's passed out drunk in the gutter behind the Chicken Bone Saloon.

Posted by: wth at October 24, 2013 12:23 PM (wAQA5)


Believe me, that doesn't help either.

Posted by: Billy Jeff Clinton at October 24, 2013 08:25 AM (OZmbA)

140 113 101 Hey, I want you all to smile so I want to share a holiday Cocktail Recipe. Freeze some really good coffee into little cubes. Fill a glass with them then add two shots of Bailys and two shots of vanilla Vodka. ENJOY!!!


Thanks, OPP. I'm going to try that.

*****

I'm going to try that too, except with scotch and without the coffee, Bailey's, or vodka.

Posted by: Head Football Coach Howard Schnellenberger at October 24, 2013 08:25 AM (T+Zre)

141 123 joncelli at October 24, 2013 12:22 PM (RD7QR) You sank my battleship! //K Rove and that's where *I* come in... //Lt Worf ready for battle

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:25 AM (9jfyN)

142 Only Hillary could make Joe Biden look like a viable candidate.

She is the $1 bin along with all the Obama chia-pets. 

And besides has she ever explained her dodging sniper fire?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 24, 2013 08:26 AM (2lVGT)

143 I don't feel no ways tired, A've come too far.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 24, 2013 08:26 AM (ujMoa)

144

 

I aint no wayssss tirrrreeeeeddddd.... 

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 24, 2013 08:26 AM (GjPnA)

145 Hillary! is next. After her reign, we'll get an openly gay guy. After that, and openly gay lesbian. Probably a transexual after that. Voting for qualifications, experience, principles, or common sense went entirely out the window in 2008. It all about novelty and celebrity presidencies from now until the burning times are over. Obama won because he was more of a novelty and celebrity than Hillary. It made him the better Historic First at the time. No worries, Hillary and Co. have figured it out and we'll have Hillary biopics and celebrity photo ops from now till 2016. The media has already decided who they want next and the drooling masses will follow along like they always do.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at October 24, 2013 08:26 AM (j0wOO)

146 I'm going to try that too, except with scotch and without the coffee, Bailey's, or vodka. Posted by: Head Football Coach Howard Schnellenberger at October 24, 2013 12:25 PM (T+Zre) Flexability and creativity are fine traits.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 08:26 AM (XIxXP)

147 If Hillary got a boob job and hajib, maybe.

Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at October 24, 2013 08:28 AM (oDCMR)

148 At the LIV level, Hillary is GHW Bush in 1988; the heir-apparent to an ideological president who is broadly considered more moderate than her predecessor.

And Chris Christie is Michael Dukakis, except he'll never squeeze his fat ass into a tank.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 24, 2013 08:28 AM (QXlbZ)

149

 

Outdated:  "What's your sign?"

 

New skool:  "Can I dunk my gravitas in your patina?"

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 24, 2013 08:28 AM (lHb9q)

150 I'm going to try that too, except with scotch and without the coffee, Bailey's, or vodka. ISWYDT. Well played. Single malt?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 08:28 AM (cUARf)

151 14 She'll lock up the Dildohead vote for sure! Posted by: wooga at October 24, 2013 12:06 PM (w4IDR) The Dildoheads would prefer Warren.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 24, 2013 08:28 AM (oFCZn)

152 Warren is where it's at people! Why have a wooden fake Shrillery when you can get the true blue communist? The democrats are ALL about that now.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 24, 2013 08:28 AM (M1gmo)

153 And if Booker comes out of the closet and runs as the first black gay president then of course he'll be unstoppable. And fabulous.*


*Obligatory.

Posted by: joncelli at October 24, 2013 08:29 AM (RD7QR)

154 Alfonzo Rachel had a loud (as usual) commentary on why (a) Hillary will get the nod, and (b) she will be difficult to beat unless the GOP is on their toes. Not sure I agree with him, but heÂ’s definitely forceful. http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=84

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at October 24, 2013 08:29 AM (QF8uk)

155 Warren/Churchill 2016.

Two fake dime store wooden Indians on the same ticket.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 24, 2013 08:29 AM (2lVGT)

156 I don't wanna think about 2016. Hell, I don't necessarily want to 2014.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 24, 2013 08:29 AM (VtjlW)

157

1. Obama third term

2. Mooch as his proxy

 

Those will be the two options

Posted by: Cicero Kid at October 24, 2013 08:29 AM (DHQv9)

158 Preezy Hillary: so it is written, so it shall be done...

Posted by: Diebold at October 24, 2013 08:30 AM (25HWz)

159 to think about 2014 I mean. brb need moar booze and chocolate

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 24, 2013 08:30 AM (VtjlW)

160 I'd vote for Hillary, except for that big patina of hers kinda scares me.

Posted by: Low Information Voter at October 24, 2013 08:30 AM (Dwehj)

161 Warren is where it's at people! Why have a wooden fake Shrillery when you can get a wooden indian???

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 08:30 AM (cUARf)

162 Disingenuous, lying, phony, carpetbagging whore.

Posted by: dananjcon at October 24, 2013 08:30 AM (wmU4G)

163 Nazi Pelosi could run.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 24, 2013 08:30 AM (ujMoa)

164 (a) Hillary will get the nod, and (b) she will be difficult to beat unless the GOP is on their toes. Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at October 24, 2013 12:29 PM (QF8uk) Challenge Accepted!

Posted by: GOP Establishment at October 24, 2013 08:31 AM (M1gmo)

165 brb need moar booze and chocolate Here you go: http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/images/creme-de-cacao.jpg

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at October 24, 2013 08:31 AM (QF8uk)

166 152 I don't wanna think about 2016.


Hell, I don't necessarily want to 2014.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 24, 2013 12:29 PM (VtjlW)


You may not want to think about 2014 but 2014 wants to think about you. Or something. Haven't been thinking straight since that thing in Mexico.

Posted by: Zombie Trotsky at October 24, 2013 08:31 AM (RD7QR)

167 The reason Hillary! will win: The GOP will run Christie or Jeb against her. Yup. Can't wait to get told what a traitorous imbecile I am in 2016 for not "holding my nose and pulling the lever" for one of them. SMOD- hurry the hell up.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at October 24, 2013 08:32 AM (j0wOO)

168 149 And if Booker comes out of the closet and runs as the first black gay president then of course he'll be unstoppable. And fabulous.* The only thing that could stop Booker would be a black, gay, differently-abled POTUS.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 24, 2013 08:32 AM (7ObY1)

169 I saw the Dildoheads open for Til Tuesday in '91.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 24, 2013 08:32 AM (zF6Iw)

170 The Dems aren't stupid enough to nominate Elizabeth Warren for national office. If they want a woman, they'll have to go with Hillary. It is astounding how weak their female bench is, considering that they are the Party of Wymmnz.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 08:32 AM (dfYL9)

171 73

It's the truth. This blog was lying during the last election and told everyone to ignore the polls. Now DrewM is telling you to ignore the political reality that Hillary will win in a walk in 2016. Do you like to be lied to?

Posted by: Delusional Fools at October 24, 2013 08:33 AM (hnC8z)

172 The typical Democrat party activist (someone like Chris Hayes or Rachel Maddow)  thinks Barack Obama is a great President but he isn't progressive  enough. The dream candidate: Elizabeth Warren. 

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at October 24, 2013 08:33 AM (AVz13)

173 152 alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 24, 2013 12:29 PM (VtjlW) MEANWHILE over at tepid... it's Moderate-a-palooza.... basically the moderates are declaring war on the Tea Party... yeah 2014? I am not wanting to think about dog catcher this year ma'am... fuck you GOP you don't want my vote to be repaid with ANY policy preference not a fucking problem... Hillary! 2016

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:33 AM (9jfyN)

174 Hillary is a lock for the nomination and will almost certainly win the general.

Posted by: Everybody in 2007 at October 24, 2013 08:34 AM (SY2Kh)

175 Billy Blowjob and even Obama are kind of likeable just so long as you can keep their hands off your wallet and realize that every word they say is a lie, but Hillary! must be one of the most unlikeable people on the face of the Earth.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 24, 2013 08:34 AM (XUKZU)

176 The MSM is terrified of crossing the Clintons so that will be a repeat of the Lightworker's worship; also historic first. Don't forget HillaryCare which really did control healthcare costs by making it a felony to practice medicine in the old fashioned capitalist model. Hill got beat by the actual Communists in her party so all she has to do is get back to her roots and she'll have all the money and all the China support and all the NSA data and MSM support and then we'll get this Civil War kicked into the next phase. God help us all.

Posted by: Daybrother at October 24, 2013 08:34 AM (8Ko7M)

177 163 The reason Hillary! will win: The GOP will run Christie or Jeb against her. Girl on girl!

Posted by: Caliban at October 24, 2013 08:34 AM (DrC22)

178 Trollin', trollin', trollin' down the river...

Posted by: Delusional Dickmuncher at October 24, 2013 08:34 AM (7ObY1)

179 163 Damiano the Economic Traitor at October 24, 2013 12:32 PM (j0wOO) I am on board and ready. A nice short reply is "fuck you" to the treason casters

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:34 AM (9jfyN)

180 158 Disingenuous, lying, phony, carpetbagging whore.
Posted by: dananjcon at October 24, 2013 12:30 PM (wmU4G)
And that's just the GOP nominee!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 24, 2013 08:35 AM (7tvbz)

181 Hillary is definitely disliked by liberals in the Democrat base.  Bill Clinton basically decided to "sell out" after the '94 elections and they fear Hillary is the same way.

She's also not popular with white males (despite the meme that she some working class hero in the Rust Belt)  I honestly believe McCain would have beat Hillary had she gotten the nomination (I loathe both of them) 

The one demographic though that the GOP has to do well with but is losing at a rapid pace is suburban white women, and that's exactly the type of voter I see Hillary attracting.

Posted by: McAdams at October 24, 2013 08:35 AM (2B+6p)

182 My prediction / fear is that Bill will die sometime before the election and Hillary will get the sympathy vote, which will put her over the top.

Posted by: LASue at October 24, 2013 08:35 AM (gjIQF)

183 Warren/Fluke in 2016!!1!

Posted by: The Dildoheads at October 24, 2013 08:35 AM (Dwehj)

184 Screw DC. The real fight is in the state legislatures. Our last peaceful option is an Article V convention. It's time for The Liberty Amendments.

Posted by: OhioCoastie at October 24, 2013 08:36 AM (9m3Zl)

185 171 everybody in 2007 at October 24, 2013 12:34 PM (SY2Kh) We had a functional GOP and a Media that hadn't outed themselves as Bolzheviks at that point... now we have year 5 of "McCainiacs gone wild!"

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:36 AM (9jfyN)

186 Let's see . . .   What inexperienced first term Senator could we run for president in 16?   A little ethnicity would help . . .

Posted by: The Democrats at October 24, 2013 08:36 AM (OZmbA)

187

I have the sensible shoe coalition tied up too

 

Posted by: Shrillary Rugmuncher Clinton at October 24, 2013 08:36 AM (32Ze2)

188

@168

 

Nothing could change between now and 2016, so you are probably right.  Events almost never shape the political environment.  It's all about messaging. 

Posted by: Your Democrat Party at October 24, 2013 08:36 AM (sOtz/)

189 Hilly and Lizzie 2016! They'll scissor they way into your hearts!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 24, 2013 08:36 AM (oFCZn)

190 109 DrewM is lying to you, just like this place lied during the election.

Posted by: Delusional Fools at October 24, 2013 08:37 AM (hnC8z)

191 Hillary and Numa.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 24, 2013 08:37 AM (ujMoa)

192 Amazed that Drew does not even mention race in this analysis. Blacks vote democrat as a bloc, but they only turn out in massive numbers for a black candidate. Not sure they will turn out in the same numbers for a cracka, male or female.

Posted by: real joe at October 24, 2013 08:37 AM (4UNuf)

193 Huma will probably be the best-looking First Lady in quite a while, though.

--
Whoa!  Olive Oyl vs. Laura Bush? 

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 24, 2013 08:37 AM (XB5Ak)

194 167 The Dems aren't stupid enough to nominate Elizabeth Warren for national office. If they want a woman, they'll have to go with Hillary. It is astounding how weak their female bench is, considering that they are the Party of Wymmnz. Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 12:32 PM (dfYL9) It's not about being stupid, its about passion in the base for their candidates. Something the GOP has apparently still hasn't figured out. Warren excites the base the way that Obama did in 2007-8, but she doesn't hide her beliefs like Obama did and does. She doesn't speak like a moderate and is very good at being a populist when it suites her aka going after Wall Street, minimum wage, etc that the NIV love to hear.

Posted by: GOP Establishment at October 24, 2013 08:37 AM (M1gmo)

195 Warren/Fluke in 2016!!1! Warren's a fluke all right. A liver fluke.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 24, 2013 08:37 AM (vd7A8)

196 from an email yesterday evening...

Happy birthday to you
happy birthday to you
I hope it's your last one, you egomaniacal imperious old bat
happy birthday to you

and what's with the half white and half brown teeth? Does she only chew tobacco on one side?

https://www.readyforhillary.com/E/BirthdayCard?ms=E.10232013.ns

Posted by: mallfly at October 24, 2013 08:37 AM (bJm7W)

197 Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 24, 2013 12:32 PM (7ObY1) Of course it wouldn't occur to anybody who would support him that if Booker comes out as gay (I don't know if he is or not) he could have done it in his years as Mayor in Newark. Then there wouldn't be this nonsense of his tweeting the stripper to establish his heterosexual credibility. In a position that he has he could have come out long before this.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 08:37 AM (23Kgq)

198

I'd love to believe you, Drew, but Hillary! is running.  She's laying the groundwork with Clinton BFF running for governor in Virginia.  You didn't think McAuliffe picked the perennial purple state of Virginia by accident, do you?  If McAuliffe wins, and Hillary! is doing all she can to ensure that, he'll be there to help her campaign.

Hillary! has also done a good job of sequestering Weiner from her top aide, Huma.  Weiner was nothing but a leprotic sore on her campaign and she got him disinfected pretty quickly.

She's laying pretty low right now, knowing that the public - fickle as they are - will forget all about her gaffes, screwups, etc. in a couple of years.  Her campaign will then hammer home how great she is while accenting the ineptitude of her Democratic challenger.

Hillary! is running.  Take it to the bank. 

And unless there is a hard left groundswell against her for Chief Warren, she's the Democratic nominee.

Posted by: MacGruber at October 24, 2013 08:37 AM (sWgE+)

199 The nominee for the democrats will likely try and follow Obama's model.  Focus on winning the caucuses and only getting second in the primaries.  And then pulling in the super delegates.

Posted by: buzzion at October 24, 2013 08:37 AM (LI48c)

200 186 Hilly and Lizzie 2016!

They'll scissor they way into your hearts!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 24, 2013 12:36 PM (oFCZn)


Okay, even I can't handle that image and I'm a freakin' zombie.

Posted by: Zombie Trotsky at October 24, 2013 08:37 AM (RD7QR)

201 I doubt Bubba dies anytime soon.  His deal with Baal must run at least through his 90th birthday.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 24, 2013 08:38 AM (32Ze2)

202 and don't look at the picture with your mouth full, because I ain't buying you a new keyboard.

Posted by: mallfly at October 24, 2013 08:38 AM (bJm7W)

203 "...Democrats are the party “Ohhhhh….Shiny!”..." ???

Calling Our President (who won) Shine? Racists!

Posted by: claire cloggenstein, of the california cloggensteins at October 24, 2013 08:38 AM (5aT64)

204

189 Amazed that Drew does not even mention race in this analysis. Blacks vote democrat as a bloc, but they only turn out in massive numbers for a black candidate. Not sure they will turn out in the same numbers for a cracka, male or female.

 

This!

Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at October 24, 2013 08:38 AM (oDCMR)

205 191 GOP Establishment at October 24, 2013 12:37 PM (M1gmo) The reason Ogabecare failed is it is too profit driven...we need all work to be charity work and I'll decide what you get as an allowance... //Lieawatha 2016 and she'd probably win...fucking asshole electorate

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:39 AM (9jfyN)

206

After her reign, we'll get an openly gay guy. After that, and openly gay lesbian. Probably a transexual after that.

 

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at October 24, 2013 12:26 PM (j0wOO)

 

You don't know her 2016 New Hampshire surprise (cough...Huma...cough).

Posted by: steveegg at October 24, 2013 08:39 AM (o44nj)

207 Ultimately I don't think it matters who the Dem nominee is, as the GOP nominee will make sure the Republicans lose.

Posted by: Null at October 24, 2013 08:39 AM (P7hip)

208 179 My prediction / fear is that Bill will die sometime before the election and Hillary will get the sympathy vote, which will put her over the top. Posted by: LASue at October 24, 2013 12:35 PM (gjIQF) ------------------ If Bill dies, I think she's toast.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 08:40 AM (dfYL9)

209 181 Screw DC. The real fight is in the state legislatures. Our last peaceful option is an Article V convention. It's time for The Liberty Amendments. Posted by: OhioCoastie at October 24, 2013 12:36 PM (9m3Zl) Yep.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 24, 2013 08:40 AM (M1gmo)

210 Posted by: claire cloggenstein, of the california cloggensteins

Is that you, Gramma?

Posted by: Low Information Voter at October 24, 2013 08:41 AM (Dwehj)

211 Thank your wife for me by the way. No seriously I recall your wife is a big Hoplophobe IIRC she is just the target audience for "DISSENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM...UNLESS OF COURSE WE'RE IN CHARGE..." and at this point "what difference does it make?" Posted by: The Moonbat Media at October 24, 2013 12:13 PM (9jfyN) _____________ I have no idea what you're talking about.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 08:41 AM (0LHZx)

212 Is it true Hillary would have beaten Obama if there were no caucuses? I seem to recall seeing vote tallies in the cmpaign and she did very well. Obama just used more thuggery.

Posted by: Baldy at October 24, 2013 08:41 AM (tyDFN)

213 Does the Secret Service still have to take Bill on his Secret Rendezvous if he's just the First Husband? (FHOTUS)

Posted by: Caliban at October 24, 2013 08:41 AM (DrC22)

214 You don't know her 2016 New Hampshire surprise (cough...Huma...cough). Ah, another "I did it, but didn't inhale" moment.

Posted by: jakeman at October 24, 2013 08:41 AM (vH4YP)

215 207 NWConservative at October 24, 2013 12:40 PM (M1gmo) Heh yeah...and I am a supporter of this gambit but let's not fool ourselves... an electorate whose response to SCOAMF is "seconds please" ain't gonna support break-up...

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:42 AM (9jfyN)

216 She can make more in 3 speeches than the the POTUS makes in a year. Then after 4 years in Office her speaking fees will not increase in any way.

Posted by: Trevor@tjexcite at October 24, 2013 08:42 AM (bkAvJ)

217 ...as the GOP nominee will make sure the Republicans lose. Let's see, who does the Republican establishment feel is next in line?...

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 24, 2013 08:42 AM (vd7A8)

218 Dick Morris died and appointed Drew< his successor?

Posted by: Hotspur at October 24, 2013 08:42 AM (5cgIv)

219 I doubt Bubba dies anytime soon. His deal with Baal must run at least through his 90th birthday.

Er, ah...I have a bar stool and a Hot Toddie waiting for him down heah!

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Ted Kennedy in Hell at October 24, 2013 08:43 AM (Dwehj)

220 209 Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 12:41 PM (0LHZx) Really Moo Moo... you don't remember your invocation of the "my wife" standard in the wake of the Newton shootings? When we Gun Owners said "no fuck off" to MOAR gun control! and you said IIRC that Hillary! was gonna win in '16 b/c we scared your wife and a lot of women on guns? Ok...my mistake.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:44 AM (9jfyN)

221 Two words - Cliton Fatigue.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 24, 2013 08:44 AM (0HooB)

222 Or, maybe Hillary/Booker in order to pull together the two biggest DemonRat blocs. That would be a shoo-in versus Jeb or Christie.

Posted by: joncelli at October 24, 2013 08:44 AM (RD7QR)

223 One thing in Hillary's favor: Even if Biden gets a shovel and a video camera (assuming he can get figurative or literal media time), there is no guarantee the Republicans will be able to capitalize on it. Remember all the mud slung by Hillary in 2008? The Republicans either didn't use, didn't use it well or couldn't get any attention for it. Keep in mind, as much as Hillary is hated, she'll still be the Democratic candidate and the media will suck on her teat rather than glance at a Republican. And that goes for whether s/he's Christie, Palin or Paul.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 24, 2013 08:44 AM (3Znbm)

224 I do not have respect in this day and age for people who violate their marriage vows and then whine about "I am a gay man" or "I am a lesbian woman". I know several men who are gay-fine fellows. They were married for a short time, realized they were gay, ended the marriage and went on to live their lives. They didn't do the whole drama scene with wife by side (as in the case of McGreevey). If Hillary is a practicing lesbian she should should be NO role model for the gay community, but then Bill Clinton obviously doesn't take his marriage vows seriously either

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 08:44 AM (23Kgq)

225 The reason Ogabecare failed is it is too profit driven...we need all work to be charity work and I'll decide what you get as an allowance... //Lieawatha 2016 and she'd probably win...fucking asshole electorate Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 12:39 PM (9jfyN) This is such an opportunity to highlight the failure of government to EVERYONE since EVERYBODY is affected by this damn bill including the NIVs. Which is why the GOP will not do a damn thing, because it is not in their interests to see Obamacare fail. They have to fix it...

Posted by: NWConservative at October 24, 2013 08:44 AM (M1gmo)

226 195 I'd love to believe you, Drew, but Hillary! is running. She's laying the groundwork with Clinton BFF running for governor in Virginia. Posted by: MacGruber at October 24, 2013 12:37 PM (sWgE+) ------------------- Agreed. The Clintonistas were broke in 2009 after Hillary's 2008 run, so they couldn't even buy the Dem nomination for McAuliffe then. Now they're pouring megabucks into his campaign. He'll win big and his chief job will be to help elect Hillary POTUS.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 08:44 AM (dfYL9)

227 It's funny reading stuff like "no way Hillary can win because of Benghazi". Are you serious? Nobody on the left or in the center gives a fuck about Benghazi. Anyone who cares about Benghazi is already not voting for a Democrat. I'm not saying it's a good thing nobody cares, but it's reality.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 08:45 AM (0LHZx)

228 Caucuses were screwed up. The PUMA people believe the nomination was screwed up in favor of Obama,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 08:45 AM (23Kgq)

229 Let's see, who does the Republican establishment feel is next in line?... Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 24, 2013 12:42 PM (vd7A I'm thinkin Eric Cantor.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 08:45 AM (XIxXP)

230 Apres mi, le delugional fool.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 24, 2013 08:45 AM (lHb9q)

231 70 Posted by: Delusional Fools at October 24, 2013 12:14 PM (hnC8z) Is this trolling? I can't tell, it's too close to self-parody if so. Posted by: Austin in TX at October 24, 2013 12:15 PM (lKVc4) I have become "satire impaired" due to the overabundance of stark raving insanity being touted as "reasonable" nowadays.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 08:45 AM (bb5+k)

232 Forgot to add, they didn't cheat on their wives either.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 08:46 AM (23Kgq)

233 Fat boy Christie will switch party's  and run.

Posted by: marine43 at October 24, 2013 08:47 AM (xnKB+)

234 2016 is going to be Hillary vs Christie Hillary will win with about the same margin of victory Obama had in 2012, 52/47 or thereabouts.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 08:47 AM (0LHZx)

235 Liawatha may appeal to the base, but not even the full force of the MSM can make her appeal to the national electorate. She has the charisma of a dust mop.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 08:47 AM (dfYL9)

236 I'm thinkin Eric Cantor.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 12:45 PM (XIxXP)


Ryan. Ryan or Christie or Jeb.

Posted by: joncelli at October 24, 2013 08:47 AM (RD7QR)

237 Wow The IRS said this week it is delaying the start of the tax filing season, leading Republicans to argue that the agency is putting its focus on implementing Obamacare at the expense of helping average taxpayers. The IRS blamed the government shutdown, saying that when it furloughed 90 percent of its employees it lost too many work days to begin processing returns on time in January. ... The delay could affect millions of taxpayers who get an early jump on filing their taxes in order to get their refunds faster. Guess who pays taxes? Productive citizens. Guess who still needs to submit their taxes on time? Guess who gets screwed with a delayed refund? http://tinyurl.com/lqsqwvx washtingtontimes via weaselzippers

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 08:48 AM (IXrOn)

238 Is there anything which Hillary has been associated with that has not been a failure? NTTAWWT

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 24, 2013 08:48 AM (aDwsi)

239 Fat boy Christie will switch party's and run. Not unless he sucks government union balls in reparation. For all that heÂ’s a liberal douche, his hard talk on unions is an unforgivable sin.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at October 24, 2013 08:49 AM (QF8uk)

240 231 marine43 at October 24, 2013 12:47 PM (xnKB+) and lose for the same reason the GOP is losing... So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:49 AM (9jfyN)

241 Akiko 2016!!  Joey 'Plugs' Biden can stay VP. 

http://www.bijin-snap.com/2013/10/25/no-1070/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 24, 2013 08:49 AM (2lVGT)

242

Let's see, who does the Republican establishment feel is next in line?...

---------- ---------- -------------

 

Christie and Jeb seem to be leading the pack. 

 

Yeah, it will require a herculean effort to drag myself down to vote for either.   

Posted by: Beagle at October 24, 2013 08:49 AM (sOtz/)

243 Heh yeah...and I am a supporter of this gambit but let's not fool ourselves... an electorate whose response to SCOAMF is "seconds please" ain't gonna support break-up... Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 12:42 PM (9jfyN) It wouldn't break the country up, it would put DC back in chains where it belongs. I think that we could very successfully pressure the legislatures to pass the term limits liberty amendment as written. The same with the balanced budget amendment and the amendment allowing overriding of federal statutes by the states.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 24, 2013 08:50 AM (M1gmo)

244 Ryan. Ryan or Christie or Jeb. Posted by: joncelli at October 24, 2013 12:47 PM (RD7QR) I thought about Ryan but he already lost. I can't think of anyone that lost as a VP candidate being promoted to the top of the ticket. I don't know who our candidate will be but if it's Christie or Jeb, look for the Tea Party and other conservatives to break away.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 08:50 AM (XIxXP)

245 Soros came out and backed Hillary. Foreign money will be gushing in. And, remember, the Saudi's are Bill's bff. Money wins elections.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 08:50 AM (IXrOn)

246 They'll put up with this shit in some scumbag commissar's PowerPoint, but not when the rubber hits the road. Posted by: Jaws at October 24, 2013 12:18 PM (4I3Uo) You do know they are purging the army of troublemakers like us, right? And of course they are trying to sissify the rest.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 08:50 AM (bb5+k)

247 232 Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 12:47 PM (0LHZx) You're incorrect. I'll pull for Hillary! and encourage everyone I know do so in that scenario. See you in 2016

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:50 AM (9jfyN)

248 Joey 'Plugs' Biden can stay VP.

Will there be paste?

Posted by: Slow Uncle Joe Biden at October 24, 2013 08:50 AM (Dwehj)

249 I don't know how people at this point can confidently predict what will happen in 2016 and by what margin Hillary will win. That's a defeatist attitude: "Hillary will win so let's lie back and think of whatever."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 08:50 AM (23Kgq)

250 SCOTT WALKER! will beat HILLARY! in 2016.

Posted by: Impotent Liberal Rage at October 24, 2013 08:51 AM (09o/X)

251 The only question for 2016 that hasn't been answered is who will be Hillary's VP? My money is on Booker. But she may go the old white guy route to shore up support blue collar support in the hinterland. Max Baucus comes to mind.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 08:51 AM (0LHZx)

252 >>> Hillary/Booker Yup. That's the ticket. No credible experience- check Historic First- check Celeb Factor- check Media already drooling- check Booker is the next anointed one. No one gave a shit about any mayor of Newark before. All of a sudden, he's above the fold on every website, newspaper, and TV show... for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at October 24, 2013 08:51 AM (j0wOO)

253 Dark horse, Evan Bayh

Posted by: Jean at October 24, 2013 08:51 AM (CMlD4)

254 SCOTT WALKER! will beat HILLARY! in 2016. Posted by: Impotent Liberal Rage at October 24, 2013 12:51 PM (09o/X) I think it's awesome that walker still doesn't have a college degree.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 08:52 AM (XIxXP)

255 My God..... look at those creases.....

so.. beautiful.....

Posted by: David Brooks at October 24, 2013 08:52 AM (NXg/k)

256 247 I don't know how people at this point can confidently predict what will happen in 2016 and by what margin Hillary will win. That's a defeatist attitude: "Hillary will win so let's lie back and think of whatever." Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 12:50 PM (23Kgq) _________________ I'm not being defeatist. I'm being practical. One of two things happens....GOP nominates a RINO like Christie, the base stays home. Or GOP nominates Cruz, the MSM turns him into Hitler and he loses by 15%.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 08:52 AM (0LHZx)

257 247 FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 12:50 PM (23Kgq) Because we're going to war with a horse with two heads there champ... the GOP is pissed off at me for being pissed off at Obama... "just shut the fuck up and vote for us" No I'll vote for the hot evil instead of the lukewarm evil enabler.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:52 AM (9jfyN)

258 Revelation 3:16 is addressed to the church at Loadicea. It has nothing to do with temporal politics. God is neither a Democrat, nor a Republican.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 08:53 AM (23Kgq)

259 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 12:48 PM (IXrOn) _________ Reason #178 why you should NEVER have a refund. Always underpay and owe money on 4/15 instead of the IRS owing you money.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 08:53 AM (0LHZx)

260

"If Bill dies, I think she's toast."

 

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 12:40 PM (dfYL9)

 

 

If Bill dies, we lose our political contacts and half our strength. The other New York Families might   wind up supporting Sollozzo just to avoid a long -- destructive war. 

 

If Bill dies, Sonny, you make the deal.

Posted by: jwest at October 24, 2013 08:53 AM (u2a4R)

261 Revelation 3:16 is addressed to the church at Loadicea. It has nothing to do with temporal politics. God is neither a Democrat, nor a Republican. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 12:53 PM (23Kgq) No, but he seems to have Tea Party leanings.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 08:53 AM (XIxXP)

262 238 ----and lose for the same reason the GOP is losing... So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth. Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 12:49 PM (9jfyN) --------------------- Ken Cuccinelli is not lukewarm and he is getting slaughtered in VA, losing big to a man EVERYONE agrees is a sleazebag. It's a complex problem.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 08:54 AM (dfYL9)

263 251 Jean at October 24, 2013 12:51 PM (CMlD4) Heh for what GOP nomination? It'd make more sense than Christie but I digress... the only way the Donkey party goes sane is if we switch to it champ and probably not even then. Drain, America's life blood... circles needed.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:54 AM (9jfyN)

264 University of Colorado Boulder tells students to avoid costumes including cowboys, indians, white trash or anything potentially deemed offensive

---


I guess the only allowed costumes will be environmental attorneys and civil rights lawyers.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 24, 2013 08:54 AM (XUKZU)

265

As un-PC as it may be to say it, female candidates have to deal with a handicap that male candidates don't.  Namely, female candidates take a big hit at the polls if they're not at least somewhat attractive.  It's not the way things ought to be, but it's the way things are.

 

And Hilary isn't even remotely attractive.

 

That by itself might be enough to torpedo her chances.

 

Posted by: junior at October 24, 2013 08:54 AM (UWFpX)

266 When will the "You have to vote for the GOP candidate!!!11!!" start up in earnest? I see the people that did it last time still floating around here and at HotAir. When are they going to start up with it again?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 24, 2013 08:54 AM (oFCZn)

267 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 12:52 PM (0LHZx) So get your bomb shelter ready and your three year of suppllies and huddle with your gun in hand. cause you know it all meh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 08:55 AM (23Kgq)

268 No credible experience- check Historic First- check Celeb Factor- check Media already drooling- check ------------------------------ Record of failure - check

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 24, 2013 08:55 AM (aDwsi)

269 Are you so sure about the military? Look at other countries, most of their militaries have/would turn on the citizens when they are ordered to do so "for their own good." See the NPS, IRS, FBI, NSA. I think it is only a matter of time when they get the military too. Posted by: NWConservative at October 24, 2013 12:22 PM (M1gmo) I think they are actively in the process of purging/indoctrinating it. Did you see how many officers are being expelled lately? Did you see how they are training against the Tea Party? Did you see the silly proposal for Marine headgear? We are already following the Nazi path. Next we will be seeing Zampolits.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 08:55 AM (bb5+k)

270 I guess the only allowed costumes will be environmental attorneys and civil rights lawyers. Posted by: WalrusRex at October 24, 2013 12:54 PM (XUKZU) That's some scary shit.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 08:55 AM (XIxXP)

271 260 Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 12:54 PM (dfYL9) I am hardly a SoCon and the reason Kenny Cis losing is why I finally said "fuck this party".... that is butthurt Legacy State GOPers backing evil.... if the Legacy GOP gets to back evil when butthurt I plan to adopt the dance craze. Fuck the GOP

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:55 AM (9jfyN)

272 Or GOP nominates Cruz, the MSM turns him into Hitler and he loses by 15%. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The media had turned Reagan into Hitler by '84 and he seemed to do OK come election time.

Posted by: Countrysquire at October 24, 2013 08:55 AM (LSJmV)

273 Reason #178 why you should NEVER have a refund. Always underpay and owe money on 4/15 instead of the IRS owing you money. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 12:53 PM (0LHZx) I agree. Too many people rely on it as a "gift" or "bonus" every year, whereas they could be making money on their own money by holding on to it in the first place.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 08:55 AM (IXrOn)

274 Really Moo Moo... you don't remember your invocation of the "my wife" standard in the wake of the Newton shootings? When we Gun Owners said "no fuck off" to MOAR gun control! and you said IIRC that Hillary! was gonna win in '16 b/c we scared your wife and a lot of women on guns? Ok...my mistake. Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 12:44 PM (9jfyN) ___________ So because my wife isn't a fan of AR-15 it means she will vote for Hillary? Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 08:55 AM (0LHZx)

275 @262

What about dressing as a fake Indian?  Ward Churchill got away with that for years.

Posted by: Gran at October 24, 2013 08:56 AM (mw0FO)

276 A reminder to pick up your "Hillary 2016" poster today! http://bit.ly/1igeguS

Posted by: mindful webworker and the chamber pot at October 24, 2013 08:56 AM (U13jb)

277

193

and what's with the half white and half brown teeth? Does she only chew tobacco on one side?

 

That's the side of her mouth she talks out of, which endures the brunt of the foul gas.

Posted by: wth at October 24, 2013 08:56 AM (wAQA5)

278 119 I think another issue is Bill on the campaign trail... lots could go wrong there.... and we all know what I mean. I also think the American public is going to see him and he is going to look old. I was talking to someone about 5 or 6 years ago that saw him up close and he was shocked how bad he looked. Posted by: AndrewsDad at October 24, 2013 12:21 PM (C2//T) No doubt, some incurable venereal diseases are working their ravages on him.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 08:56 AM (bb5+k)

279 Liawatha may appeal to the base, but not even the full force of the MSM can make her appeal to the national electorate.

Obama-fatigue will doom Warren, although I fully expect her to be the OFA candidate.

Hillary would take FL in primary and general in a walkaway.  Lotta geezers down here who now loath Obama, but still talk approvingly of Hillary.

If Rick Scott runs again, he'll get clobbered, and that's gonna drag against any R in the general.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 24, 2013 08:56 AM (4tK7k)

280 Not for nothing, but the "historical precedent" of Hillary's nomination could be very easily one-upped by nominating Susana Martinez, a Hispanic woman with a track record of winning in blue territory, who's got sky-high approval ratings and a great set of accomplishments.

And by the way: anybody who says she's "not conservative enough" can go piss up a rope.  She may not be conservative enough for Ted Cruz, but she's more than conservative enough to unite the party and win the election.

Posted by: Lou at October 24, 2013 08:56 AM (VrJUC)

281 The media had turned Reagan into Hitler by '84 and he seemed to do OK come election time. Posted by: Countrysquire at October 24, 2013 12:55 PM (LSJmV) ______________ True. But that was a different America where the average IQ wasn't 75 like it is today.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 08:56 AM (0LHZx)

282 I agree. Too many people rely on it as a "gift" or "bonus" every year, whereas they could be making money on their own money by holding on to it in the first place. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 12:55 PM (IXrOn) Most do not have the personal dicipline not to spend it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 08:56 AM (XIxXP)

283 264 Dack Thrombosis at October 24, 2013 12:54 PM (oFCZn) They already have, and in honesty since 1996 I have been one of them. This gun's retired. They can go get Juan and Julia's vote. Mine is gone.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:56 AM (9jfyN)

284 Elizabeth Warren? Come on, the country is not about to elect some elitist professor part way through a first term in the Senate with no other relevant experience as President of the US.

Posted by: blaster at October 24, 2013 08:56 AM (W6bkf)

285 I'm not being defeatist. I'm being practical. One of two things happens....GOP nominates a RINO like Christie, the base stays home. Or GOP nominates Cruz, the MSM turns him into Hitler and he loses by 15%. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 12:52 PM (0LHZx) Ted Cruz has a mild mannered way of speaking and doesn't get worked up/keeps his cool unlike some other politicians. Plus, you can't use the MSM turning people into Hitler as a negative, see Romney, McCain, Bush II, Dole, Bush I, Reagan, etc.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 24, 2013 08:57 AM (M1gmo)

286 I guess we should all be happy the Democrats are planning to have an election in 2016.  Small favors, right?

Posted by: Beagle at October 24, 2013 08:57 AM (sOtz/)

287 Why Hillary Clinton Isn't The Inevitable 2016 Democratic Nominee, Let Alone Winner Of The General Election


See You Next Tuesday, that's why.


OT:  Red Sox in 6 over the Cardinals.  Hey, why no World Series Thread last night?  Because . . . no pointy elbows and boobehs?  Hmmm, surely there must be some scantily clad Sox/Cards fans whose pics can be posted, to intro such a thread.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 24, 2013 08:57 AM (8+xjO)

288 I don't ascribe to God being the partisan of any political group. :^) God is God and we are not. God is sovereign and we are not. Of course we should be interested in politics and involved but our ultimate citizenship is in heaven.....but you knew that. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 08:57 AM (23Kgq)

289

I don't care who the Dems put up in 2016.  If the GOP nominee isn't a conservative who is willing and able to hammer the left like Tommy Lee on Pamela Anderson, I.  Will.  Not.  Vote.

 

No fight?  No vote.  Simple as that.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 24, 2013 08:57 AM (zF6Iw)

290 Hi Sven, I read what you wrote this am in the ONT. I am tough. Carol

Posted by: CarolT at October 24, 2013 08:58 AM (mp17o)

291

my wife isn't a fan of AR-15

------ ---------- -----------

 

She should be.  It has low recoil and can drive tacks when handled properly.  

Posted by: Beagle at October 24, 2013 08:58 AM (sOtz/)

292 God is neither a Democrat, nor a Republican. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 12:53 PM (23Kgq) Yeah, but he is pretty clear on "things."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at October 24, 2013 08:59 AM (659DL)

293 272 Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 12:55 PM (0LHZx) You fucking threatened it at the time for fuck's sakes... nut up cowboy and own it... it's okay my sister in law fell for Historic First! despite ostensibly being GOP in San Diego... my wife won't but lots of GOP idiots will.... take a fucking bow

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 08:59 AM (9jfyN)

294 225 Are you serious? Nobody on the left or in the center gives a fuck about Benghazi. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 12:45 PM (0LHZx) Sadly, you are spot-on, Mr Moo Moo. Just last night I was told by center-ish friend, and I quote, "Oh, Benghazi was nothing!" He then went on to say, "in comparison to the 100k people GWB kidnapped and executed." ...so I'm thinking their brains just don't work like normal brains do...

Posted by: Tom Carvel at October 24, 2013 08:59 AM (EJ/Tn)

295 The GOP cannot win national elections. There are a number of reasons for this. The main one is piss poor messaging. The second main one is....piss poor messaging. Christie's message will be what? I agree with 95% of Hillary/Obama. Great. So why not vote for Hillary/Booker, get your policy and make history instead?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 08:59 AM (0LHZx)

296 248 SCOTT WALKER! will beat HILLARY! in 2016.

Posted by: Impotent Liberal Rage at October 24, 2013 12:51 PM (09o/X)


And my nipples would explode with joy. But that would make sense and "sense" and "GOP" are incompatible.

Posted by: joncelli at October 24, 2013 08:59 AM (RD7QR)

297 Taft was about 330 lbs. How does Christie weigh in? He must have been close to that last year. Has he lost weight since his surgery? I'd like to see a new Presidential weight record.  Hillary is only about 200 supposedly.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 24, 2013 09:00 AM (eEfYn)

298 I like big buts and I cannot lie...


Posted by: EmCee Bubba C. at October 24, 2013 09:00 AM (wmU4G)

299 All this neglects race and the connection minorities felt to Obama. It generated a tremedous amount of loyalty when it came to actually showing up in the voting booth. This wont be replicated with Hillary. In fact, Im almost of the opinion that the Dems can never win again with a white person at the top of the ticket.

Posted by: Jaydee at October 24, 2013 09:00 AM (nEQwk)

300 The one demographic though that the GOP has to do well with but is losing at a rapid pace is suburban white women, and that's exactly the type of voter I see Hillary attracting. Posted by: McAdams at October 24, 2013 12:35 PM (2B+6p) A point I often make is that you CANNOT SOLVE ANY PROBLEMS by catering to the wishes of suburban white women. If you pander to them, you are still going to wreck the country.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 09:00 AM (bb5+k)

301 You fucking threatened it at the time for fuck's sakes... nut up cowboy and own it... it's okay my sister in law fell for Historic First! despite ostensibly being GOP in San Diego... my wife won't but lots of GOP idiots will.... take a fucking bow Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 12:59 PM (9jfyN) _____________ I've told you before...stop drinking so early in the morning. It's fucking you up.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 09:00 AM (0LHZx)

302 The AR-15 is awesome because...........looks cool?

Posted by: maddogg at October 24, 2013 09:00 AM (xWW96)

303 288 CarolT at October 24, 2013 12:58 PM (mp17o) I know you are Carol and your brother is lucky for it... keep on plugging

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 09:00 AM (9jfyN)

304 "29 America is ready for its Historic First Transsexual President.

Chaz Bono 2016.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 24, 2013 12:08 PM (8ZskC)"



You may just have something there.  I have been wondering if Christie is inevitable, what with Ed Gein Dead and Bernie Madoff unlikely to be paroled in time for the 2016 election.  Yes, Chaz Bono might be the one to help Republicans pull of a hat trick in 2016.  The Hollywood connection would be useful for the Republican Party Prime Directive i.e. transfer as much money as possible into the pockets of millionaire political consultants.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at October 24, 2013 09:00 AM (q1sF4)

305 Booker is the next anointed one. No one gave a shit about any mayor of Newark before. All of a sudden, he's above the fold on every website, newspaper, and TV show... for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at October 24, 2013 12:51 PM (j0wOO)


Yet that shithole Newark hovers slightly above detroit. If the GOP had any brains a few minutes of video footage of some of the areas in that bastion of dem control would have kept booker out of public office for life.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 24, 2013 09:00 AM (FMbng)

306 The Idiot's Guide to Democratic Congressmen: "Monkey court"="kangaroo trial"

Posted by: T. at October 24, 2013 09:01 AM (zI9oJ)

307 299 Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 01:00 PM (0LHZx) I'm not drunk, and I doubt I am alone in recalling your pap. I have to drink to get uber dumb...you just have to breathe babe.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 09:01 AM (9jfyN)

308 And my nipples would explode with joy. But that would make sense and "sense" and "GOP" are incompatible. Raise your hand if you do not believe the Repub establishment RINO surrender monkey are not already doing backroom secret handshakes in the Jeb Bush fan club. I wish it were not so, but it is.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at October 24, 2013 09:01 AM (659DL)

309 282 Elizabeth Warren? Come on, the country is not about to elect some elitist professor part way through a first term in the Senate with no other relevant experience as President of the US. Posted by: blaster at October 24, 2013 12:56 PM (W6bkf) Said everyone of Obama in 2007-8!

Posted by: NWConservative at October 24, 2013 09:02 AM (M1gmo)

310

; margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" class="MsoNormal">11 After spending much of the 2008 cycle as the “inevitable” nominee it turned out she was quite evitable (fun fact, that’s actually a word).
--------------------------

We are left wondering about 'flammable' and 'inflammable', but I digress...

Posted by: Mike Hammer

; margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" class="MsoNormal">Do you prefer to bone a chicken before or after its been deboned

Posted by: dirks strewn at October 24, 2013 09:02 AM (kfcYC)

311 >>>"If Bill dies, I think she's toast." If Bill dies soon, she's a shoo in. You can't buy publicity like that. The MFM will wax poetic about the "Clinton Legacy" for at least a month, whitewash everything and Hillary will become the next Jackie Kennedy for a few months, until she bravely steps up to continue the Clinton Legacy. She'll get all the benefit with none of the baggage and no one will dare say anything mean about the "poor widow of an American hero".

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at October 24, 2013 09:02 AM (j0wOO)

312 my wife isn't a fan of AR-15
------ ---------- -----------

She should be. It has low recoil and can drive tacks when handled properly.

Posted by: Beagle at October 24, 2013 12:58 PM (sOtz/)

Blasphemy!  Have a gas-piston bushmaster with Trij optics.  It's like lazerz!

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 09:02 AM (x3YFz)

313

God is neither a Democrat, nor a Republican.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 12:53 PM (23Kgq)

 

True dat.  But looking around, it's hard to make the case that He's even awake.



Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 24, 2013 09:02 AM (zF6Iw)

314 Gee, let's ask an actual democrat who will be the nominee It'll be the hillabeast 100% sure

Posted by: Navycopjoe at October 24, 2013 09:02 AM (XruKb)

315

This is a nice thought, Drew.  Unfortunately, Barack Obama has proven ANYONE is electable if the media is in their corner. 

And consider the flip side of the coin: why do you think our last two primary cycles have had, mostly, a bunch of back-benchers?  Running for the presidency as a Republican is an incredible sacrifice considering the nastyness of the oppositon. 

I agree that Hilary isn't inevitable.  There's enough people who see that the presidency is a Democrat's for the taking, and consequently resent the idea that it's just going to be handed to her without a fight.

If the electorate was going to wake up, it would have done so already.

Posted by: SamInVA at October 24, 2013 09:02 AM (Q52VH)

316 Elizabeth Warren? Come on, the country is not about to elect some elitist professor part way through a first term in the Senate with no other relevant experience as President of the US.

Posted by: blaster at October 24, 2013 12:56 PM (W6bkf)

**


Doh!!!


Posted by: dananjcon at October 24, 2013 09:02 AM (wmU4G)

317 Hillary has a serious problem in that she has high dislikability numbers among men (all men, both parties).

I agree with the premise of this thread, not only is it not a foregone conclusion that she'll even run, its DEFINITELY not one that she'll win the Donkey nomination, let alone the actual election.


Posted by: looking closely at October 24, 2013 09:02 AM (PwGfd)

318 Really worth a watch: Charles Krauthammer squares off against Jon Stewart on the merits of conservatism http://tinyurl.com/q3agd2u

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 09:03 AM (IXrOn)

319 210 Is it true Hillary would have beaten Obama if there were no caucuses? I seem to recall seeing vote tallies in the cmpaign and she did very well. Obama just used more thuggery. Posted by: Baldy at October 24, 2013 12:41 PM (tyDFN) I have read that as well. His supporters supposedly strong armed the Hitlery supporters in the caucuses. Some of them were so pissed off they formed the group "Puma." (Party Unity My Ass.)

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 09:04 AM (bb5+k)

320 What does Krauthammer know about conservatism?

Posted by: maddogg at October 24, 2013 09:04 AM (xWW96)

321

Do you prefer to bone a chicken before or after its been deboned

 

Do I get a choice?

Posted by: The Chicken at October 24, 2013 09:04 AM (zF6Iw)

322 Ted Cruz has a mild mannered way of speaking and doesn't get worked up/keeps his cool unlike some other politicians. Plus, you can't use the MSM turning people into Hitler as a negative, see Romney, McCain, Bush II, Dole, Bush I, Reagan, etc. Posted by: NWConservative at October 24, 2013 12:57 PM (M1gmo) __________ Romney was about as mild mannered as they come and he was Hitlerized. Again, you can't use what happened in the 80s as evidence of what will happen in 2016. The country of today is nothing like what it was in the 80s. Bush winning in 2000 was a fluke IMO. He won in 2004 because 9/11 happened. That's ancient history now. What matters now is who can give me the most free shit. 50% of the country is now on some type of welfare. Who do you think those people will vote for? The candidate that wants to increase welfare or decrease it? Hmmm.... But hey, believe what you will that the country is heading to a 2016 center-right awakening if it makes you sleep better. I prefer to live in teh real world

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 09:04 AM (0LHZx)

323 312 Navycopjoe at October 24, 2013 01:02 PM (XruKb) You planning on taking up model making? I mean it is vital we know what a carrier group once looked like and by the time your party is done it'll just be pictures and and a few videos.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 09:04 AM (9jfyN)

324 269 I am hardly a SoCon and the reason Kenny Cis losing is why I finally said "fuck this party".... that is butthurt Legacy State GOPers backing evil.... Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 12:55 PM (9jfyN) --------------------- THIS is the problem. If Bolling, the GOP establishment's darling, had won the nomination, I would vote for him. All of Cuccinelli's supporters would go out there and vote against McAuliffe. But the RINOs don't support the GOP candidate if they think he's too conservative. They will even sabotage him. We are in an impossible situation.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 09:05 AM (dfYL9)

325 "Christie's message will be what?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 12:59 PM (0LHZx)"


Contribute money to my political consultants.


Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at October 24, 2013 09:05 AM (q1sF4)

326

See You Next Tuesday, that's why

 

Can't Understand Normal Thinking.

 

I prefer that one.

Posted by: buzzion at October 24, 2013 09:07 AM (LI48c)

327 Obama is definitely an unusual political animal that Democrats aren't going to have next time around.  He's an incredibly unpopular President/candidate, but he's able to juice his turnout just enough to pull him over the finish line.  Mainly with young voters, women, and minorities.

The fact that Obama won in 2012 despite losing independent voters to Romney by over 10 points is like drawing a Royal Flush.  Hillary is just not going to have that sort of devoted turnout.

Any other time in history, losing the independent vote by 10 points would have been a landslide loss.  Bush lost the independent vote in 2004 yet still won the Presidency by a decently comfortable margin.

Posted by: McAdams at October 24, 2013 09:07 AM (2B+6p)

328 322 Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 01:05 PM (dfYL Do what I am about to do and be wrath. Those fucking effete cocksuckers make millions by party dynamics and then act like I have to shuck my beliefs so they can keep making money? All we are to these fucks is a shock absorber so they can sidle up to the trough and dig in ay 97.975% of Donkey's speed... fuck 'em... no more

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 09:07 AM (9jfyN)

329

Christie's message will be what?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 12:59 PM (0LHZx)

 

"You don't have to fall in love, just fall in line."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 24, 2013 09:08 AM (zF6Iw)

330 Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 01:04 PM (9jfyN)

Soon the only glue available will be water soluble.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 24, 2013 09:08 AM (oJ5Fd)

331 I wonder if that guy has any room in his closet for another hanging. This shit is depressing.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 24, 2013 09:08 AM (l3vZN)

332

@282 Elizabeth Warren? Come on, the country is not about to elect some elitist professor part way through a first term in the Senate with no other relevant experience as President of the US.

-----------------

 

One of my friends posted that stupid populist claptrap she was spouting about a $22 minimum wage on Facebook several months ago.  A few others thought it was great.  I had to go in and point out why paying attention to anything she said was a mistake, and the fact that she'd blatantly lied about her geneology didn't seem to bother them in the least.

 

Posted by: junior at October 24, 2013 09:08 AM (UWFpX)

333 Since boutique candidates are all the rage...I hear by nominate Denise Milani as next POTUS.

http://tinyurl.com/n4qhqhj


Finally a candidate who can promote physical fitness and sexual liberation in a truly meaningful and sincere campaign!

Brb.

nsfw

 



Posted by: dananjcon at October 24, 2013 09:08 AM (wmU4G)

334 I'm back after running Malwarebytes three time to remove 305 bad files.


And Drew, I think she will be the Dem candidate she has already been blessed by Obama when he marched her out there in front of him.  And she is being blessed by the MFM almost every day now.


Sure she is has zero skills, zero experience, and is dumber than a creosote post, not to mention crookeder than a dogs hind leg.


But so was Obama.  It all depends on "who's turn it is" with the RNC.   If they run yet another "moderate" she will win.  If the feckless set of asshole leadership in the House passes amnesty and squares it with the Senate, at the same time they run another shitty moderate, she will win by greater than 10%

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 09:08 AM (zZbNF)

335 One of two things happens....GOP nominates a RINO like Christie, the base stays home. Or GOP nominates Cruz, the MSM turns him into Hitler and he loses by 15%. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 12:52 PM (0LHZx) And it's long past time we dealt with the Nazi media in the same manner we dealt with Hitler.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 09:09 AM (bb5+k)

336 Yet that shithole Newark hovers slightly above detroit. If the GOP had any brains a few minutes of video footage of some of the areas in that bastion of dem control would have kept booker out of public office for life. Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 24, 2013 01:00 PM (FMbng) My late father used to say that if was a very small word but meant a lot. The important word in your comment is IF. IF the R party had any brains. The ones that do are being trashed by other republicans, Ted Cruz & Mike Lee, by McCain, etc. Is that old fool still thinking of running again? I read that yesterday and was glad I wasnÂ’t drinking any water or I probably would have choked on it. McCain should switch to a dem because he sides with them so often.

Posted by: CarolT at October 24, 2013 09:09 AM (mp17o)

337 I think that the Dems are not nearly as much of a shoo in as it seems. First, Joe Biden is going to run, and as the VP, he is essentially the incumbent. And he is Joe Fucking Biden. I mean, seriously. Hillary lost last time. But she will have the Governor of Virginia and a huge fundraiser in McAuliffe. Seeing those two old white people going at it (no, not that, way, not enough brain bleach in the world, and OMG I need more!) will be EPIC. I think Warren is just the sort of Leftist twat to get in there for fun. Hell, maybe Van Jones can get in, too. History! Republicans can field a good candidate out of the governors. Actual executives who haven't been in the Washington stupidity. Governor Haley in SC would be a good candidate IMO.

Posted by: blaster at October 24, 2013 09:09 AM (W6bkf)

338 An Oh, Oh OT WHOA! Red Sox Pitcher Accused of Greasing Ball in World Series Opener (Video) Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, October 24, 2013, 11:50 AM BOSTON GREASERS?? Boston Red Sox pitcher Jon Lester turned in a phenomenal outing in Game 1 of the World Series on Wednesday against the St. Louis Cardinals. But the Boston pitcher is now being accused of greasing the ball. thegatewaypundit

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 09:09 AM (IXrOn)

339 "If Bill dies soon, she's a shoo in. You can't buy publicity like that." -Damiano the Economic Traitor I don't know how you found out about my plans for Bill, but you're on my list now, too!

Posted by: Queen Hillary Spare the Rodham at October 24, 2013 09:10 AM (U13jb)

340 Do what I am about to do and be wrath. Those fucking effete cocksuckers make millions by party dynamics and then act like I have to shuck my beliefs so they can keep making money? All we are to these fucks is a shock absorber so they can sidle up to the trough and dig in ay 97.975% of Donkey's speed... fuck 'em... no more ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS. x1 million!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 09:10 AM (cUARf)

341 http://tinyurl.com/o8cmayn Why am I giving up on the voters of this fucktarded Republic? This is why.... Tepid-Bluemnthal admits we need to delay Obamacare and level with the American people... and the GOP will not go for the kill punch and the media will spin this to being OUR FUCKING FAULT despite the fact that A is fucking A and reality is their fucking vision is flawed at its heart. God I hate the democrats.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 09:10 AM (9jfyN)

342 God I hate the democrats.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 01:10 PM (9jfyN)

I hate pussy republicans more.  At least I know where democrats stand.

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 09:12 AM (x3YFz)

343 God I hate the democrats.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 01:10 PM (9jfyN)

 

 

 

 

Me also, but I hate the quislings more.

Posted by: maddogg at October 24, 2013 09:12 AM (xWW96)

344 328 CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 24, 2013 01:08 PM (oJ5Fd) Oh I'm certain...maybe he can put the ships in bottles...

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 09:12 AM (9jfyN)

345 300 The AR-15 is awesome because...........looks cool? Posted by: maddogg at October 24, 2013 01:00 PM (xWW96) --------------- It's awesome because it's the only gun my 80-yr-old mama is comfortable with. Believe me, she's tried EVERYTHING else.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 09:13 AM (dfYL9)

346 309 >>>"If Bill dies, I think she's toast."

If Bill dies soon, she's a shoo in.

You can't buy publicity like that. The MFM will wax poetic about the "Clinton Legacy" for at least a month, whitewash everything and Hillary will become the next Jackie Kennedy for a few months, until she bravely steps up to continue the Clinton Legacy.

She'll get all the benefit with none of the baggage and no one will dare say anything mean about the "poor widow of an American hero".

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at October 24, 2013 01:02 PM (j0wOO)

 

I don't know about that.  I think a lot of dems see the appeal of Hillary being president is that Bill will be back in the whitehouse and it will really be his third term.  If he's gone they can't hold onto that fantasy.

Posted by: buzzion at October 24, 2013 09:13 AM (LI48c)

347

Quickly: Name Hillary Clinton's top three accomplishments as Secretary of State....

 

Two?...

 

One?...

Posted by: Max Entropy at October 24, 2013 09:13 AM (QKYRm)

348 Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 01:00 PM (9jfyN) Thank you Sven, I am staying another night, but am not driving at night here. ItÂ’s too dark & confusing. I spent more time being lost last night going to get food and coming back to hotel than it took for me to get from MA to Augusta. Carol IÂ’ve got to get going. PaulÂ’s tests are done. HeÂ’s called looking for me. I wish I had brought Dial soap, I hate the smell of the hand soap. There is a Target next door, I am not dressed yet, I have a sweatshirt and leggings on. If I put on lipstick, sunglasses and my coat I could run into Target and buy some so I donÂ’t have to spend day spelling like the natural soap here.

Posted by: CarolT at October 24, 2013 09:14 AM (mp17o)

349 Ken Cuccinelli is not lukewarm and he is getting slaughtered in VA, losing big to a man EVERYONE agrees is a sleazebag.

It's a complex problem.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 12:54 PM (dfYL9)

============

If by "complex" you mean systemic, I agree.  The problem is widespread but, IMHO, is in no way complicated.  The problem is that after 40 some years of steady effort the left's control of public education has finally suceeded in dumbing down the electorate to the point where critical thinking is virtually nonexistant and people decide en-masse to support whoever and whatever the "Cool Kids" think is "cool".

And the "Cool Kids" are the Democrats.

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 24, 2013 09:14 AM (OtQXp)

350 Y'know, whoever the Dems put up, if only the Republicans had a real Constitution-respecting ethnic female with both managerial experience and citizenship birthright at least as good as the current denizen of the Spite House, think of the 'splodey heads everywhere!

Posted by: mindful webworker - Mia Love 2016! at October 24, 2013 09:15 AM (U13jb)

351 335 Governor Haley in SC would be a good candidate IMO.

Posted by: blaster at October 24, 2013 01:09 PM (W6bkf)


Yes she would but she will be in the middle of her second term in 2016 (assuming she wins in 2014 which she will barring some great misfortune)

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 09:15 AM (zZbNF)

352 270 Or GOP nominates Cruz, the MSM turns him into Hitler and he loses by 15%.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The media had turned Reagan into Hitler by '84 and he seemed to do OK come election time.

Reagan was sincere in his beliefs and was able to project that.  But that's not the main thing.  It's a different country than it was in 1984.  I don't see how the Democrats can lose no matter who they nominate.  Evidence:  November 2012.

Posted by: Null at October 24, 2013 09:15 AM (P7hip)

353 "278 Not for nothing, but the "historical precedent" of Hillary's nomination could be very easily one-upped by nominating Susana Martinez, a Hispanic woman with a track record of winning in blue territory, who's got sky-high approval ratings and a great set of accomplishments.

And by the way: anybody who says she's "not conservative enough" can go piss up a rope. She may not be conservative enough for Ted Cruz, but she's more than conservative enough to unite the party and win the election.

Posted by: Lou at October 24, 2013 12:56 PM (VrJUC)"



Sarah Palin had sky high ratings before the Media decided that she threatened their candidate.



How'd that work out?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at October 24, 2013 09:15 AM (q1sF4)

354 318 What does Krauthammer know about conservatism? Dr. K lost a ton of credibility with me when he played his little game in 2008, acting like he might consider endorsing Obama because of Palin. Like he was ever going to actually endorse a Commie. He just wanted to be on record among the cocktail party elite as being anti-Palin. By the time he finally endorsed McCain the election was all but over.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 24, 2013 09:15 AM (7ObY1)

355 Even if I was a Democrat I would rather kill myself than cast a presidential vote for a woman who is the perfect encapsulation of both of my selfish, stupid, shrew ex-wives as well as every fat ugly chick I ever drunkenly splooged on in college.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 24, 2013 09:16 AM (8+xjO)

356 348 Y'know, whoever the Dems put up, if only the Republicans had a real Constitution-respecting ethnic female with both managerial experience and citizenship birthright at least as good as the current denizen of the Spite House, think of the 'splodey heads everywhere! Susanna Martinez.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 24, 2013 09:17 AM (7ObY1)

357 @300

Maybe because of this:

http://youtu.be/qKk45i9DzDA

Posted by: Gran at October 24, 2013 09:17 AM (mw0FO)

358 352 Like he was ever going to actually endorse a Commie.

He just wanted to be on record among the cocktail party elite as being anti-Palin.

By the time he finally endorsed McCain the election was all but over.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 24, 2013 01:15 PM (7ObY1)


Don't forget that Krautman was/is a Democrat.

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 09:17 AM (zZbNF)

359 Yes she would but she will be in the middle of her second term in 2016 (assuming she wins in 2014 which she will barring some great misfortune) Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 01:15 PM (zZbNF) Do you know she actually takes unscripted questions on our local radio show?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 09:18 AM (XIxXP)

360 353 Even if I was a Democrat I would rather kill myself than cast a presidential vote for a woman who is the perfect encapsulation of both of my selfish, stupid, shrew ex-wives as well as every fat ugly chick I ever drunkenly splooged on in college.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 24, 2013 01:16 PM (8+xjO)


Hmmm, that's a possibility: "Hillary: Splooge on her one more time!" Well, maybe not.

Posted by: Democrat Ad Guy at October 24, 2013 09:18 AM (RD7QR)

361

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 24, 2013 01:15 PM (7ObY1)

 

 

 

Yeah, the snooty bastard is a old guard party shill for rinoism. He is also a fucking gun control advocate. Fuck his sorry old crippled ass.

Posted by: maddogg at October 24, 2013 09:18 AM (xWW96)

362 Nood up!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 09:19 AM (cUARf)

363 357 Do you know she actually takes unscripted questions on our local radio show?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 01:18 PM (XIxXP)


No, but she has been to our local town here about 3 times.

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 09:19 AM (zZbNF)

364 Don't forget that Krautman was/is a Democrat. It's Krauthammer. I know he worked for Mondale in the late 70s, but I thought he was just a speechwriter for hire, didn't know he was an actual Dem. That explains a lot.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 24, 2013 09:19 AM (7ObY1)

365

Quickly: Name Hillary Clinton's top three accomplishments as Secretary of State....


Two?...


One?...

 

Posted by: Max Entropy at October 24, 2013 01:13 PM (QKYRm)

 

What difference, at this point, does it make?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 24, 2013 09:20 AM (zF6Iw)

366 Your ex wives were both leftists?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 09:20 AM (23Kgq)

367 Another thing:

Hilary has said explicitly that she isn't interested in seeking elective office ever again.   I realize that you have to take that with a gigantic grain of salt, but at some point when politicians say they aren't running again, you do have to take them seriously.

Supposedly Hilary was phoning it in as Sec State, not doing late hours, commuting early back home from Washington on weekends, etc.    After being destroyed by Obama last go-round, after watching all her supposed allies jump behind him (instead of her), and after being 8 years older now, she simply may not have the desire to run a hard campaign again.  Apart from the wishful thinking of others projecting her into the office, I don't see much from HER indicating that she really wants this.




Posted by: looking closely at October 24, 2013 09:20 AM (PwGfd)

368 Cuccinelli is losing because of dumb SoCon issues that he's waded into over the years.  Like sponsoring a bill to make it harder to get a divorce and having the "no rape exception" position on abortion.

Yes it's dumb, but it works.  It doesn't help that the VA GOP tried that ridiculous ultrasound bill. 

I don't know how many times we have to get burned on that stove before we learn, but I'm sure it's plenty more.

Posted by: McAdams at October 24, 2013 09:20 AM (2B+6p)

369 Romney was about as mild mannered as they come and he was Hitlerized. Again, you can't use what happened in the 80s as evidence of what will happen in 2016. The country of today is nothing like what it was in the 80s. Bush winning in 2000 was a fluke IMO. He won in 2004 because 9/11 happened. That's ancient history now. What matters now is who can give me the most free shit. 50% of the country is now on some type of welfare. Who do you think those people will vote for? The candidate that wants to increase welfare or decrease it? Hmmm.... But hey, believe what you will that the country is heading to a 2016 center-right awakening if it makes you sleep better. I prefer to live in teh real world Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 01:04 PM (0LHZx) Do you even read anything that anyone posts here, including your own posts? You stated that the media would turn Cruz into Hitler and he loses by 15% (post 254), I simply said that the media ALWAYS turns the republicans into Hitler and you can't use that as a dis-qualifier. I also stated that they did it to Romney and McCain (who was the biggest media sympathizer to run in modern politics ever, IMHO). You are an idiot if you believe that opinions only go in the one true liberal direction. Look at Eastern Europe, look at our own gun fights over the last thirty years. We no longer have an assault weapons ban.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 24, 2013 09:20 AM (M1gmo)

370 Sarah Palin had sky high ratings before the Media decided that she threatened their candidate. How'd that work out? Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at October 24, 2013 01:15 PM (q1sF4) I thought it would have been sufficient proof to the people in the GOP that the Liberal Democrat Propaganda Army referred to as "the media" ought to have been nuked with every weapon at our disposal. They decided the problem was Palin, instead. I should have realized right then that working with these people is utterly futile.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 09:21 AM (bb5+k)

371 Dr. K lost a ton of credibility with me when he played his little game in 2008, acting like he might consider endorsing Obama because of Palin.

Like he was ever going to actually endorse a Commie.

He just wanted to be on record among the cocktail party elite as being anti-Palin.

By the time he finally endorsed McCain the election was all but over.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 24, 2013 01:15 PM (7ObY1)

 

 

 

He's an arrogant fool.  Definitely part of the Rovian GOP establishment.  He's part of the problem, not the answer.  Funny how  stuff Palin has said/is saying is becoming more prophetic every day. 

Posted by: Havedash at October 24, 2013 09:21 AM (BRhGr)

372

Posted by: Gran at October 24, 2013 01:17 PM (mw0FO)

 

 

 

No, the over priced, over complex, over weight pea shooter is NOT awesome.

Posted by: maddogg at October 24, 2013 09:21 AM (xWW96)

373 Nood up! -rickb223 But, but, there was still so much blood to be wrung from this turnip! Srsly, u gyz, gitcher Hillary 2016 poster b4 they're gone. http://bit.ly/1igeguS

Posted by: mindful webworker - Mia Love 2016! at October 24, 2013 09:22 AM (U13jb)

374

Whether Hillary runs or not, any Democratic Party candidate who wins the 2016 primaries has a very good chance of winning the general election--a better chance than any possible GOP nominee, even Joe Biden.

 

For one thing, according to various articles, the GOP Establishment and its coterie of big money donors are taking steps to neutralize the Tea Party elements of the conservative base, whom they perceive as an extremist, 'wacko-bird' fringe. Unlike Democratic Party leadership, which harnesses the energy of its base to accomplish policy goals and win elections, the Republican Party leadership is actively combatting its base, viewing itself as enlightened and compassionate while perceiving its most loyal voting bloc as a pack of revanchist racists--although I fail to see how pushing immigration reform and de facto amnesty in order to exploit the possibilities for sweet, cheap labor is either enlightened or compassionate. In any event, the divisions within the GOP widen and I don't think a fragmented Republican Party torn by animus and internal strife can beat a unified Democratic Party in a national election.

 

And then, of course, there's the simple fact that Democrats cheat. It's taken the radical elements of that Party decades to acquire power and I just can't believe they'll ever give up that power as the result of a free and fair election.

Posted by: troyriser at October 24, 2013 09:22 AM (V9ol4)

375 @370

What would you recommend instead?

Posted by: Gran at October 24, 2013 09:23 AM (mw0FO)

376 Any other time in history, losing the independent vote by 10 points would have been a landslide loss.

It takes a good 10-15 years to make a full political conversion from indy/left'ish to (genuine)libertarian/right. 

Hillary will still appeal to those in transition.  It takes a lot of real world beatings to break down the old programming.  Obama is only the starting line for a lot of those people who will transition.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 24, 2013 09:24 AM (4tK7k)

377 His supporters supposedly strong armed the Hitlery supporters in the caucuses. -------------------- Any perspective that implied that Obama was simply not qualified for the job constituted 'racism'. Liberals will go to any length to avoid even totally unfounded accusations of racism. In point of fact, they will go to great length to avoid acknowledging the overt racism of their own fellow travelers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 24, 2013 09:24 AM (aDwsi)

378 And it seems to me that if Cruz wins he would be well aware of being turned into Hiltler and prepared to attack that considering what they've done to him so far. Cuz doesn't not strike me as the kind of gentleman that Romney was-and I mean that as no dispararagement of either Cruz or Romney.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 09:24 AM (23Kgq)

379 "333
One of two things happens....GOP nominates a RINO like Christie, the base stays home. Or GOP nominates Cruz, the MSM turns him into Hitler and he loses by 15%.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 12:52 PM (0LHZx)


And it's long past time we dealt with the Nazi media in the same manner we dealt with Hitler.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 01:09 PM (bb5+k)"



I'm all ears.  What do you propose?  Keep in mind that driving a truck bomb into the lobby of the New York Times building would violate Christian prohibitions of both suicide and murder.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at October 24, 2013 09:24 AM (q1sF4)

380 Meant if "Cruz" wins the nomination. I don't think he should run yet. Not enough time in the Senate.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 09:25 AM (23Kgq)

381 345 Quickly: Name Hillary Clinton's top three accomplishments as Secretary of State.... Two?... One?... Posted by: Max Entropy at October 24, 2013 01:13 PM (QKYRm) ------------------------ 1. The junior-high-school level RESET button presented as a gift to the Ruskis. 2. Incessantly engaging in domestic-policy shilling while abroad, e.g., bashing Gov Brewer and Arizona's immigration law. 3. Promotion of gay "rights" in countries that don't criminalize gay behavior anyway --- while ignoring the subject where there really is a problem. 4. Making sure that our embassies and consulates are as secure as she cares for them to be. 5. Snapping at people who ask about her husband. 6. Being photographed in undignified venues and activities, where she appears to be intoxicated. I could go on. Worse SoS EVER. Amateurish and clumsy. Cyrus Vance and Madeline Albright may have been lefty idiots, but as diplomats they were consummate professionals. Hillary was a disaster.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 09:25 AM (dfYL9)

382 Krautman is the epitome of the Neocon.  A former Democrat who supposedly converted to Republican.  He runs hot and cold.  He can lecture great sometimes and at other times he is just as liberal as Chuckie "TV"  Shumer.

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 09:26 AM (zZbNF)

383

Stupid post full of wish casting done by a wannabe journalist (aka blogger) in the middle of a work day in the middle of a work week.

Don't you people have jobs?

And these are the people defending free markets and capitalism?  F*king layabout bloggers and blog posters?  Go contribute to society in a meaningful way rhippy.

Posted by: Old texas Turkey at October 24, 2013 09:27 AM (4isiD)

384 However, if you go on leftist websites they have reasons for thinking Hillary is very suited to be President and indeed, that she did fine as SOS.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 09:27 AM (23Kgq)

385 Rons and Ettes ... There is just no way to know. In 24 months we could easily be in midst of The Second Great Depression. We could be watching the EU Breakup. Barry may just refuse to leave ... or shit may be so bad that nobody wants to stay.

Posted by: ScoggDog ... would make a fine resident of New Zealand at October 24, 2013 09:28 AM (xiXJp)

386 378
378 Meant if "Cruz" wins the nomination. I don't think he should run yet. Not enough time in the Senate.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 01:25 PM (23Kgq)


You mean like < 1 term for OBama?

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 09:28 AM (zZbNF)

387 And my machine is now running 100% faster on the Intertubes.

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 09:29 AM (zZbNF)

388 Yes, exactly like Obama in the amount of time in the Senate.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 09:30 AM (23Kgq)

389 You mean like < 1 term for OBama? Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 01:28 PM (zZbNF) Ted Cruz has ten times the accomplishments of the SCOAMF even though heÂ’s been a senator ten months. IÂ’d vote for him in a heartbeat.

Posted by: CarolT at October 24, 2013 09:30 AM (mp17o)

390 373@370

What would you recommend instead?

Posted by: Gran at October 24, 2013 01:23 PM (mw0FO)

 

 

I would prefer an AR-10 or Socom 16. They shoot .308, a much more effective cartridge. The AR-10 is even heavier than the AR-15 though.

Posted by: maddogg at October 24, 2013 09:30 AM (xWW96)

391 Carson neutralizes all the racism claims and creates sweet cognitive dissonance within the pure race voters.  He's also NOT A LAWYER, which is going to be a big plus for a lot of people.

Until he's stomped for whatever fake reasons the left manufactures, Ima Carson 2016 guy for now.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 24, 2013 09:30 AM (4tK7k)

392

Posted by: Old texas Turkey at October 24, 2013 01:27 PM (4isiD)

 

And while you're at it, tell those durned kids to get off your lawn.

Posted by: troyriser at October 24, 2013 09:31 AM (V9ol4)

393 Go contribute to society in a meaningful way rhippy. Thax for your concern. I have a PT job because of health and other reasons. I quite enjoy it I manage to always get in the hours I am required to work. I'm so glad that you could be non productive with us today. Come back soon, turkey

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 09:32 AM (23Kgq)

394 @388

Thanks.  Watching a video about it now (the Socom 16).

Posted by: Gran at October 24, 2013 09:35 AM (mw0FO)

395 And then, of course, there's the simple fact that Democrats cheat. -------------------------- The evidence is rampant, but ignored by the Fifth Columnist media. An example is the multi-point attack on the NC voter ID law. Organized, disruptive demonstrations by 'Moral Monday", NAACP, and a DOJ suit brought by Eric Holder are examples of lawfare extortion. As an aside, it seems that the 'Moral Monday' thugs, are largely financed by state grants..., to the tune of $100,000,000. Yes..., you read that correctly.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 24, 2013 09:35 AM (aDwsi)

396

Posted by: Old texas Turkey at October 24, 2013 01:27 PM (4isiD)

Ain't no stupid like old turkey stupid. Time to go back to pecking in your own shit.

Posted by: maddogg at October 24, 2013 09:36 AM (xWW96)

397 An Oh, Oh OT

WHOA! Red Sox Pitcher Accused of Greasing Ball in World Series Opener (Video)

Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, October 24, 2013, 11:50 AM

BOSTON GREASERS??

Boston Red Sox pitcher Jon Lester turned in a phenomenal outing in Game 1 of the World Series on Wednesday against the St. Louis Cardinals. But the Boston pitcher is now being accused of greasing the ball.

thegatewaypundit

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 01:09 PM (IXrOn)


Right, so Lester wasn't greasing the ball the three or four times he got into real trouble (bases loaded, guys on second and third, etc.), but then the magic greaseball got him out of trouble? 

One would be more convincing arguing that someone'd put IcyHot in the jocks of all the Cardinal players; hence their shitty play and inability to hit with runners in scoring position.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 24, 2013 09:37 AM (8+xjO)

398 Until he's stomped for whatever fake reasons the left manufactures, The loving and tolerant leftists will manufacture something as they did with Herman Cain. I don't think all those claims against him were legitimate. Dems just wanted to take down the AA threat to Obama

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 09:37 AM (23Kgq)

399 its going to be so easy to do a find and replace to change all the "racist" accusations to "sexist".

Posted by: california red at October 24, 2013 09:39 AM (7jrCM)

400 Posted by: Old texas Turkey at October 24, 2013 01:27 PM (4isiD)



Old Texas Turkey:  I fucked your mother.  I also have four jobs and am currently waiting to make a phone call involving raising $100 million in capital for a startup company.

Did I mention I fucked your mother?

Posted by: Sharkman at October 24, 2013 09:40 AM (8+xjO)

401 And it's long past time we dealt with the Nazi media in the same manner we dealt with Hitler. -------------------- Too lenient. Mussolini. Or, heads on pikes.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 24, 2013 09:41 AM (aDwsi)

402 Biden as a veep is a gift. He will ruthlessly attack anyone who gets in his way, lying if he has to. If he wins then we get to run against Joe the Gaffe. If he loses he will have severely injured whoever beat him.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at October 24, 2013 09:43 AM (0q2P7)

403 "388 373@370

What would you recommend instead?
Posted by: Gran at October 24, 2013 01:23 PM (mw0FO) I would prefer an AR-10 or Socom 16. They shoot .308, a much more effective cartridge. The AR-10 is even heavier than the AR-15 though.

Posted by: maddogg at October 24, 2013 01:30 PM (xWW96)"



You mewling puppy.  Get a man's gun.  Atlanta Armory has Snyder conversion Enfields imported from that warehouse in Nepal.  They are chambered for .577 caliber.  That is a minnie ball over 70 grains of FFG black powder in a cartridge that looks very much like an old paper walled shotgun shell.  The troops in India complained bitterly when they had to turn them in to be replaced with the girly .45/.577 Martini-Henry rifle.  That is why the arsenal at Dum Dum experimented with hollow point bullets in order to get the same sort of destructive terminal ballistics from the smaller .45 caliber bullet as they used to see from the full sized .577 slug.


.308 - don't make me laugh.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at October 24, 2013 09:43 AM (q1sF4)

404

The same forces that didn't want Hillary to be president in 2008 are still out there and still don't want her to be president.  She has tried to prostitute herself to them by being a good little Obama toad but it won't work. 

 

And Drew is 100% right about the Dems almost never going back to a candidate who lost before.  They just don't do it.  Their nominating system is more wide open and much easier to game by an insurgent candidate.  Howard Dean would have been the Dem nominee in 2004 if he had not self-destructed.  Bill Clinton himself was an insurgent candidate in 1992.  The only times the Dems have gone with "the guy whose turn it was" were Mondale and Gore, and they both lost. 

 

Barack Obama became a legit threat to Hillary with one speech at an Iowa Jefferson-Jackson dinner.  There will be someone else who will step up into that role, whether it's Lizzy Warren, Martin O'Malley, or someone we don't even know about who wins a surprise election in 2014 (Wendy Davis, God forbid?) and becomes the New Shiny Toy. 

Posted by: rockmom at October 24, 2013 09:44 AM (Q4elb)

405
Drew, I'm afraid I must disagree when you say that "Democrats didn't like her." She beat Obama like a red-headed stepchild in every major primary; where Obama cleaned up was in the states that used caucuses: his organization was very good at stacking the electorate (that good old Chicago electioneering coming to the forefront). You may beat the Clinton machine once, but not twice; it's safe to assume that she's learned from her mistakes, and will not overlook the caucuses again.

One other point: If not her, who? The Democratic bench is not deep. No rational person takes Biden seriously. I just don't see anyone who can stop her.

And yes, she will win the general. In fact, I predict that no Republican will be elected president as long as I live (I'm 61, so figure the next five or six elections). Consider the obstacles:

* A press that is effectively a DNC PR organization.
* A praetorian-guard federal bureaucracy that is throwing its weight behind the party.
* Business, especially big businesses, that is afraid to oppose the regime, or is profiting from crony capitalism.
* All in support of a party that lusts for power and will stop at nothing to keep it.

Against that coalition, a principled, smaller-government opposition won't have a prayer. Trust me, I've lived in Chicago all my life: I see how this works here. While I shudder to see the country being turned into Cook County writ large, our last chance to stop it was in November 2012, and we failed. Our constitutional republic is in its death throes, and there's nothing you or I or anyone else can do about it.




Posted by: Brown Line at October 24, 2013 09:45 AM (WN9m7)

406 You guys are debating this like it matters.

Whomever wins will accelerate the death spiral to a greater or slightly lesser degree.

You are better served by finding ways to protect you and yours. 

Posted by: Trainer's looking to join a Militia. at October 24, 2013 09:50 AM (7EbAY)

407 Joe Biden . The only way he will back down, is if the Party has some really heavy dirt on his family .Then he will step down for health reasons .Otherwise Joe is just too dumb not to run . Remember he's the democrats (sic)" best debater ." Carlos itsabigfriggen deal Danger Man .

Posted by: DrDrill at October 24, 2013 09:50 AM (sOFZs)

408 there's nothing you or I or anyone else can do about it. Yes, God can do something about it. Of course, God may want to bring down our nation and Obama may be His chosen instrument. I just try to put first things first.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 24, 2013 09:51 AM (23Kgq)

409

limited government is dead for the time being.  The leftists have controlled public education long enough that we live in a world of people willing to petition for the repeal of the bill of rights.  Add to that the leftist control of the media where limited government candidates are demonized unfairly, and leftists are lionized undeservingly, and it is obvious to me that it doesn't matter who we run.  Doesn't matter who they run.  In all cases, limited government will be suppressed and statism will be promoted.  

Until we reprogram the uneducated masses, and until there is a prominent conduit of unbiased press coverage, it is not about our candidate or their candidate.  It is a the era for big government.  Especially considering many in the GOP are just as guilty as Democrats at promoting huge spending, deficits, and entitlements. 

Those of us that pine for individual liberty and want government to live within its constraints are fighting an uphill battle.   

Posted by: california red at October 24, 2013 10:01 AM (7jrCM)

410 Will someone please explain to me how Hilary Clinton is a better candidate today then she was two cycles ago when Obama cleaned her clock?

If anything, her negatives have all increased since then.  She's tied by the hip to inarguably the worst foreign policy administration since Carter (and probably longer).  She's not any younger, healthier, or better looking.  And when people look at her, they're going to tie her failed pre-Obamacare healthcare overhaul effort with the current stinkpot.



Posted by: looking closely at October 24, 2013 10:02 AM (PwGfd)

411 403.

I'm not quite there yet, but I understand how easy it is to get discouraged. 

If anyone besides Hillary gets nominated, I think we will have a big advantage, but if we're up against "first woman President" nonsense, I think the deck may be stacked against us.  If we had already had a woman President, Hillary would be easily beat as she's a terrible candidate.

Had about 1.5% of the vote flipped in 2012, Romney would have won.  Had just the same Republican voters that showed up in 2004 showed up in 2012, we would have won a landslide.

A few years of the middle class getting slaughtered with ObamaCare is going to be a big opening for a conservative IF we don't fuck it up.

Posted by: McAdams at October 24, 2013 10:02 AM (2B+6p)

412 1. She's definitely running. 2. Her road to the Democratic nomination is a cakewalk. She'll win it easily. 3. What happens in the general is a wide open question at this point.

Posted by: Let's be sirius at October 24, 2013 10:21 AM (8esY+)

413 The problem is there is no one at the same level as Barry was to take her on for the Dem nomination.  You're crazy if you think Warren will step in if Hillary runs, and, oh, btw: she's old as dirt too.

And, as you said Drew, there is the question of who takes her on in the General.  I'm already seeing a VERY fractured base 3 years away from the primaries.  While I don't think the candidates will be nearly as bad as the slate we had to choose from in 2012, I'm already having deja vu of GOP nominees pounding away and killing each other at months at the delight and instigation of the MFM.  There really isn't a "unifying" candidate at the moment to bridge the establishment with the grassroots.  All while Hillary coasts into late summer of 2016 like Barry did this past year.

Posted by: Waingro at October 24, 2013 10:32 AM (uAytX)

414 fully agree with this. Dean is right that HC will not waltz to a 'coronation'. I would add on the progressive left there are a LOT who dislike the Clinton's and HC. If I had to place a grand on the nominee, i'd split it 600 on Gillibrand, 400 on warren.

Posted by: miller huggins at October 24, 2013 10:44 AM (hk5I0)

415 Another benefit of electing Lizzy "Big Wampum" Warren: she'd be not only the first woman president, but also the first Affirmative Action Faux Cherokee president!

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at October 24, 2013 10:52 AM (/sohm)

416 I wouldn't hit a woman ( unless she hit me ) but she has a punchable face no ?

Just sayin.

Posted by: Shifty Bitwise at October 24, 2013 10:53 AM (RGDtb)

417 123 Of course, the DemonRats might decide that the Obama pattern is too good to pass up. Run a white woman and some of the blacks might stay home. So maybe another black from out of nowhere -- say, Cory Booker? If Chris Christie gets the GOP nomination then Booker will sail in with 99% of the black vote and with conservatives sitting it out.



I proudly accept the nomination for Presi--Presiden--President of the United States.   Whew, glad they helped me with my cursive!

Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at October 24, 2013 10:56 AM (y5bPZ)

418 Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 01:04 PM (bb5+k) - Yes. That is what I heard too.

Posted by: Baldy at October 24, 2013 10:59 AM (tyDFN)

419

You bitches think you all smart and shit.  I'm gonna win this shit, ain't no woman gonna beat me.  Now get me a beer motherfucka.

Posted by: President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho at October 24, 2013 11:40 AM (Xp1rX)

420 Al Gore did not win the popular vote as based on math and counting. Not a single recount ever had him win the popular vote. This is a myth that sticks around like a chupacabra except there are more facts to support the chupacabra

Posted by: TXSheepDog at October 24, 2013 11:45 AM (qhfc3)

421 oh, the 2016 election will depend on whether the Dems can get 110% of inner city residents to vote again.

Posted by: azjaeger at October 24, 2013 11:54 AM (lZDVL)

422 Luckily for Democrats they may get to do that AND have the chance to make history if Elizabeth Warren runs. The first Native American candidate?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at October 24, 2013 12:17 PM (1hM1d)

423 Obama is not going anywhere in 2016. True. The hard left was brilliant in having a charismatic black man serve as point to usher in their agenda. They've destroyed the Constitution, dispensed with Constitutional rights, and dispensed with Congress and the Supreme Court because Obama's perceived "race" places him beyond criticism. His flagrant communist bullshit would never have been acceptable from a white man, who would have easily been eliminated from contention early in his political career. Obama's "blackness" is a magical talisman, immunizing him from any serious criticism; the Left has no plans to let him leave office. You can bet on it. As long as Obama is oibn, they are in control. 2008 was a coup.

Posted by: ahem at October 24, 2013 12:37 PM (lKGzI)

424 Personally, I'd like to see Elizabeth Warren get nominated. The fact of the matter is, she's just plain stupid. Her popularity comes from being an ideologue who gives monologues regurgitating boilerplate left-wing platitudes in the most pure and childlike way possible, with no concessions given to reality or practicality whatsoever, but she's barely more intelligent than Nancy Pelosi, and she'd never be able to defend any of it against a minimally competent debater.

Posted by: The Deuce at October 24, 2013 01:02 PM (oDCMR)

425 Joe Manchin would kick her ass big time...he's a natural, and on both sides of every issue. Wait and see.

Posted by: bill glass at October 24, 2013 06:37 PM (IPA22)

426 22nd Amendment?  Why would BHO consider that an impediment after trashing the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 8th, and 10th Amendments?  He'll just declare it the product of old dead white men and out of step with the desires of the people.  Besides, his PAC, Organizing for Action, is successfully competing with the DNC for donations, so he has more money than anyone else in the Dem party.
And do you honestly think the Republicans will make a stink after they tucked tail and ran during the shutdown?  Why, that would be RACIST!

I'll bet BHO makes it 3 in 2016, and definitely if the Dems take the House in 2014.


Posted by: Jeff P at October 24, 2013 08:19 PM (+SXXg)

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