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November 21, 2013

Why Obamacare is different [Fritzworth]
— Open Blogger

OK, fellow Morons, gather 'round, because I'm going to provide a simple demonstration of why Obamacare is so much different than all the tropes the Left uses to try to scare voters away from those eeeeevil Rethuglicans. While I must admit up front that this is a self-selected group that visits Ace of Spades daily, it is also a very large group. So, let's do a simple experiment.

First, let's visit the standard Left shrieking points.

1) How many of you know someone who died in Hurricane Katrina? (Just thought I'd get that out of the way.)

2) How many of you know someone (including yourself) who was a valid registered voter and who was denied the chance to vote due to Voter ID laws?

3) How many of you know someone (including yourself) who was unable to afford birth control due to a lack of health insurance?

4) How many of you know someone (including yourself) who was denied the chance to have an abortion, due to state regulations?

5) How many of you know someone (including yourself) who has been laid off due to the Federal budget sequester?

6) How many of you know someone (including yourself) who was furloughed during the brief Federal Government shutdown and then did not get back pay for the time furloughed?

7) How many of you know someone (including yourself) who was unable to find a meaningful job because of Right to Work legislation in the state where they live?

Now for the flip side:

How many of you know someone (including yourself) who had their existing health insurance policy cancelled as a result of Obamacare, and who are now looking at options that are more expensive and have higher deductibles? (My own hand goes up.)

9) How many of you know someone (including yourself) who works for a business whose health insurance coverage is either going to be eliminated or become more expensive as a result of Obamacare?

Show of hands, everyone?

Yep, what I pretty much thought.

Note that most of the Left's boogiemen -- items 1-7 -- are just that -- largely imaginary, except for the occasional OFA worker who gets press coverage for her 15 minutes of fame. But I suspect that the vast majority of the voting population can't answer yes to question 1-7.

On the other hand, between now and November 2014, I am willing to bet that the vast majority of the voting population will answer yes to questions 8 and 9. And that is why, in spite of the Left's desperate attempts to find some equivalents between the burgeoning Obamacare debacle and the sins of the Right (as they define them), it's really no contest.

Should be interesting. ..fritz..

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1 policy canceled

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at November 21, 2013 02:04 PM (8JJ6O)

2 Sssssssssssssssssssssss...

Posted by: The Fuse on the Employer Mandate Bomb at November 21, 2013 02:04 PM (8ZskC)

3 I know a guy whose cousin got eaten in the Superdome during Katrina.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 21, 2013 02:05 PM (8ZskC)

4 My insurance at work is going up 33%

Posted by: TC at November 21, 2013 02:05 PM (ygAxO)

"Show of hands, everyone"

Why do you hate the disabled?

Posted by: Barry Bama at November 21, 2013 02:06 PM (rCS6C)

6 new policy is almost double what the old one was and i don't qualify for any subsidy ....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at November 21, 2013 02:06 PM (8JJ6O)

7 I know a guy whose cousin got eaten in the Superdome during Katrina. Wait. Your cousin was 31 flavors?

Posted by: Guy who knows someone who saw Ferris Bueller at November 21, 2013 02:06 PM (QF8uk)

8 Obamacare in 3 words: Sword of Obamacles

Posted by: Joe at November 21, 2013 02:06 PM (QFnhZ)

9 Katrina: let's not forget the Obama-like incompetence shown by the Gov of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans. Which party were they with?

BUT BUSH!!!!!

Posted by: Mallfly at November 21, 2013 02:07 PM (bJm7W)

Yeah...it's way worse than Katrina.

Ocare hit's everyone.

Well, at least it hits 'everyone' who doesn't get a sweet special deal from the Emperor.

Posted by: wheatie at November 21, 2013 02:08 PM (c87DZ)

11 another good way to defend Obamacare when talking to the roobs: but don't you look forward to being with the Lord..?

Posted by: Mallfly at November 21, 2013 02:08 PM (bJm7W)

12 This nation is in grave jeopardy. Levin's opening stmt tonight.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2013 02:08 PM (IXrOn)

13 5) How many of you know someone (including yourself) who has been laid off due to the Federal budget sequester?

My contract got killed due to sequester on September 29th. Of course, walked into another one in a different department on September 30th.

The healthcare issue, though should be interesting. Technically, I'm exempt due to VA coverage, but I purchase through my employer anyway. Whether or not I continue to do so remains to be seen.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 21, 2013 02:09 PM (DE9KP)

14 By definition, the Commie-fag-junkie party has lost its Reason, Logic, and Proportion.
You want to convince them how?

Posted by: Rung Sat denizen, swimming most of the time at November 21, 2013 02:09 PM (1/4XQ)

15 Katrina: let's not forget the Obama-like incompetence shown by the Gov of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans. Which party were they with? At least they were consistent. They wanted the federal government to override their own decisions and come in with the military without their permission.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at November 21, 2013 02:10 PM (QF8uk)

16 I KNOW, LETS PASS AMNESTY!! THAT WILL GET THEM TO HATE US AGAIN!!

Posted by: NWConservative at November 21, 2013 02:11 PM (nzOMF)

There's a reason why Barky delayed the Employer Mandate.

It's going to be bad...really bad.

Posted by: wheatie at November 21, 2013 02:11 PM (c87DZ)

18 And the middle class!!11!

Posted by: wooga at November 21, 2013 02:11 PM (UpQkr)

19 For example, what supplanted/replaced the pursuit of happiness or the wealth of others in their scale of desirability? Political power, whether it means wealth plus security in that high-rise condo in Shanghai, or whether it means they can pursue their non-reproductive sexual agendas unmolested ("C'm'ere, l'il puppy, bring the dildo!"), or whether they can evangelize the unwary to offering the perfect sacrifice to their god, Moloch, an abortion.

Posted by: Rung Sat denizen, swimming most of the time at November 21, 2013 02:11 PM (1/4XQ)

20 I know a shit-ton of people whose hours were cut to 29 per week for some silly political reason, I'm sure.

Posted by: Fritz at November 21, 2013 02:11 PM (UzPAd)

21 Bloody well right ! I am printing these questions off for the holiday season logomachy, expecting great things thereby. Oh, and nineteenth ?

Posted by: Pttdu Apiptix at November 21, 2013 02:12 PM (+jyzN)

22 6) How many of you know someone (including yourself) who was furloughed during the brief Federal Government shutdown and then did not get back pay for the time furloughed? I know someone who was begging for it so he could go surfing. He knew he'd get back pay.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2013 02:12 PM (IXrOn)

23 There's a reason why Barky delayed the Employer Mandate.

No kidding. The individual market was just the test for the larger rollout. Gird your loins.

Posted by: no good deed at November 21, 2013 02:12 PM (k55Fc)

24 As a physician I have had about 2 dozen patients or children of patients come in with policies canceled looking for help with the whole mess, options, etc.

I have identified 1 patient, uninsured and a mess at age 58, who will benefit from nObamaCare... when she can afford the basic plan and get registered successfully.

Call it 20:1 against.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 21, 2013 02:12 PM (vHRtU)

25 This will be the deciding factor in that eventually reality pimp slaps even LIV's. All the left's boogie and straw men are simply that. Will it be enough to change things next election. Yes I think so. Will the Republicans find a way to screw it up? Probably.

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 21, 2013 02:12 PM (1cD5X)

26 considering that people like Pelosi and Obama think that they're "middle of the road", you can guess that their concept of "middle class" is not quite what you might think.

Posted by: Mallfly at November 21, 2013 02:12 PM (bJm7W)

27 I can't focus on your list. I'm still fighting the War on Women. Duck! Incoming binders!

Posted by: USA at November 21, 2013 02:13 PM (VIaw0)

28 Why Obamacare is different #10: how many of you know someone (including yourself) who would like to punch a dirty liberal in the face for bringing all of this upon us? (My own hand goes up)

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 02:13 PM (doBIb)

29 oh, nice drudge headline knockout game backfires The victim was attacked by 17-year-old Marvell Weaver. But Weaver did more than try to knock his victim out, he tried to do it with a taser. Luckily for the victim, the taser didn't work and he was able to protect himself with his concealed-carry .40 caliber pistol.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2013 02:14 PM (IXrOn)

30 The victim was attacked by 17-year-old Marvell Weaver. But Weaver did more than try to knock his victim out, he tried to do it with a taser. Luckily for the victim, the taser didn't work and he was able to protect himself with his concealed-carry .40 caliber pistol. Stupid bastard. Gun > taser every damn time.

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 02:15 PM (doBIb)

31 Don't worry, the National Socialist Media will figure out an answer and tell us how to thrive.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 21, 2013 02:15 PM (vHRtU)

32 I know two people who were displaced by Katrina and had to move back to Ohio where they could leach of their family. Two of the most ungrateful deadbeats you ever met in your life. To this day they still call themselves "victims of Katrina."

Posted by: not the mama at November 21, 2013 02:15 PM (5dxeo)

33 Let's talk political tactics, and how to win the North East States for real Americans.
On the other hand, we could let them die out out from taxation, pestilence, bipartisanship, and negative birth rates (from abortion and non-reproductive sex)... but then we might have to endure the emergence of yet another Bruce Spreengspeeem (who almost single-handedly destroyed rock 'n' roll).

Posted by: Rung Sat denizen, swimming most of the time at November 21, 2013 02:16 PM (1/4XQ)

And apparently NBC has decided to put a gag order on all news reports which contain any mention of Obamacare/ObamaCACA/PPACA/etc.

Because, y'know, it's so important to get the truth out there to the masses.

Or somethin'.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 21, 2013 02:16 PM (PZ6/M)

35
No mention of the chocolate people who were murdered at the Superdome, and also the thousands of other black people who were left to die with no food or potable water because of George Bush's failure to plan for this disaster.

Posted by: Ray "Superfly" Nagin at November 21, 2013 02:17 PM (pJF+c)

36 Wait til employers start dropping coverage. Let it burn.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 21, 2013 02:18 PM (DGIjM)

37 The GOP has its best chance in years to win the presidency in 2014.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2013 02:18 PM (MMC8r)

38 Fuck the Blue states, let them drown in their own filth.People get the government they want. Move your elderly relatives out to someplace safe and watch the human shit tide drown themselves. Everyone else pays their money and makes their choices.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 21, 2013 02:18 PM (vHRtU)

39 Nice post Fitzworth.

The problem for Donk-e is that for their false equivalency to work LIV has to accept that Hurricane Katrina was a GOP willful plot, and Obamacare an Act of God....

you can sell FreeShit Army on that but not LIV once their wallet hurts.

Posted by: sven at November 21, 2013 02:18 PM (9jfyN)

40 All this assumes that Republicans are gonna run Hard against obamacare, ya? Yeah, not gonna happen.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 02:18 PM (RLCmM)

41 I know a guy whose cousin got eaten in the Superdome during Katrina.

Wait, the Mayor of Toronto was in New Orleans?

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at November 21, 2013 02:19 PM (BvTwT)

42 Katrina victims introduce all kinds of cultural progress to the areas settled by Northern Europeans: like bringing knives to parties, and living off the fat of the land. A masterstroke, really, when you think about it. All the kindler gentler RINOs thinking "we can learn from head lice and random violence. We've been wrong."
And voter fraud gets a boost, too. A Katrina victim is entitled to 1.5 votes for the prestige party.

Posted by: Rung Sat denizen, swimming most of the time at November 21, 2013 02:19 PM (1/4XQ)

43 37 The GOP has its best chance in years to win the presidency in 2014. Posted by: --- at November 21, 2013 06:18 PM (MMC8r) Ya mean 2016?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 21, 2013 02:19 PM (bCEmE)

44 Who here listened to the media and took a Katrina family into their own house?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 21, 2013 02:20 PM (oFCZn)

45 gobsmacked 7:2 between the aye-ayes

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 21, 2013 02:20 PM (MhA4j)

46 43 37 The GOP has its best chance in years to win the presidency in 2014. Posted by: --- at November 21, 2013 06:18 PM (MMC8r) Ya mean 2016? Posted by: Tami at November 21, 2013 06:19 PM (bCEmE) Hell, if we can do it in 2014, I'll take it!

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 02:21 PM (doBIb)

47 Oh oh pick me, pick me! I'm two for two with Obamacare.

Posted by: Lauren at November 21, 2013 02:21 PM (hFL/3)

48 This nation is in grave jeopardy. I'll take Anal Bum Covers for $400, Alex.

Posted by: Sean Connery at November 21, 2013 02:21 PM (vI9Y7)

49 The GOP has its best chance in years to ~~win~~ pwn the presidency in 2014. Posted by: --- at November 21, 2013 06:18 PM (MMC8r) FIFY The sweetest thing ever would be for the 2014 elections to return veto-proof majorities in the House and Senate. I would die of the resulting schadenboner.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 21, 2013 02:21 PM (yz6yg)

50 Who here listened to the media and took a Katrina family into their own house? There was an ette here who had a Katrina story of her own. No surprises. They were exactly like you think.

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 02:22 PM (doBIb)

51 Ya mean 2016? No, we need to be sneakier than that.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2013 02:22 PM (MMC8r)

52 Actually I had a family member who runs a private firm that was negatively impacted by the shutdown, though none were furloughed. So #6 with modifications.

Posted by: John the Libertarian at November 21, 2013 02:22 PM (jKf/K)

53 If there stands to be just one person with a pre-existing condition receiving 'free' health care who will lose coverage, Republicans will not repeal obamacare. They just won't.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 02:22 PM (RLCmM)

54
I ripped off a school bus in Nawlins during Katrina, and now live in that beast just south of Houston. I get food stamps and other gub'mint stuff and do a little work under the table for cash. Life is good, and my girlfriend Sweet Cheeks works a little flat-backin' at LuLu's Bar and Grill for spare change.

Posted by: Velvet Jones (Mr Big Dick) at November 21, 2013 02:23 PM (pJF+c)

55 What about racism? You forgot racism. How many of us have suffered the sting of racist behavior? Sadly I admit to being a victim. A thug at the liquor store called me a "MFing cracka" when I wouldn't give him any change. I am still in recovery from the experience.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 02:24 PM (0FSuD)

56 44. Dack Thrombosis You know full well it wasn't Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison. With no exit strategy,* she invited them via Houston into every Texan city. Compassionate conservatives are good at unloading social ills on the working middle class to make life "better" for everyone left insulated from the new arrivals. /The best entrance includes the possibility for an exit.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 21, 2013 02:24 PM (MhA4j)

57 The (R)etards WILL fuck up their best chance since 1964 to push back... because they are run by the same people that run the (D)umbshits.

Illusion of Choice works in magic AND politics.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 21, 2013 02:24 PM (vHRtU)

58 Execution style deaths of thousands of New Orleans residents after HC Katrina? How could you not mention the thousands with a single bullet hole to the head?

Posted by: Cynthia MsKinney [/i] at November 21, 2013 02:24 PM (UL/Aj)

59 Who here listened to the media and took a Katrina family into their own house?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 21, 2013 06:20 PM (oFCZn)

---------------------------------------------------

I did. As a matter of fact, I'm still using their bones for soup stock.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2013 02:24 PM (66ULQ)

60 Nip Sip....how was your Rove meeting?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 21, 2013 02:24 PM (bCEmE)

61 0 for 7 with the first seven questions.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2013 02:24 PM (ix+5k)

62 Juan Williams got invited to the WH today, even though he works for Fox News. Obama and Jarrett (and that is who is running this game now) gave him and the other toadies that got the "invites," their talking points. It was fun watching him on Fox delivering them.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at November 21, 2013 02:25 PM (tmFlQ)

63 Wait til employers start dropping coverage.

Let it burn.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 21, 2013 06:18 PM ..........Oh it's going to require some extra popcorn and pudding when that hits. I shall call it Schaudenfest 2014!

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 21, 2013 02:25 PM (1cD5X)

64 Wifey and I got canceled, before Oct 1, effective Jan 1. Applied at recommended replacement company. Wifey approved, me disapproved due to pre-existing condition of heart disease. Except I have never been treated for or diagnosed with heart disease. My doctor ran an EKG on me 8 years ago, so they are assuming I have heart disease. Doctor is retired and disappeared and records are destroyed (7 year limit). In April I go to Medicare.

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 02:25 PM (1Y+hH)

Our company policy renewed in Aug for 6%. Cool.. Just renewed it again at another 6% in Jan. 2014 to gain an extra 4 months of avoiding what Anthem said was going to a 20-50% increase next year. Feel confident the renewal won't be offered and Anthem will cancel policy and throw us into the Exchange.

I hate this regime.

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 21, 2013 02:25 PM (teFlO)

66 @59 Eew! Not enuff shallots (not to say mirepoix) in the world!

Posted by: Rung Sat denizen, swimming most of the time at November 21, 2013 02:26 PM (1/4XQ)

67 55. And sexism: masochism towards conservative women and racist-feminism vs. white men. And agism: youth knock-out boomers

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 21, 2013 02:26 PM (MhA4j)

68 It was fun watching him on Fox delivering them. Posted by: the littl shyning man at November 21, 2013 06:25 PM (tmFlQ) Did everyone roll their eyes and slam their pens down on the table?

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 02:27 PM (1Y+hH)

69 The company I just retired from is looking at a health care cost increase that varies by employee, some just 200 more a month, some increase by more than 1000 per month. This is a company that just barely makes payroll sometimes so....

OT: A retirement plan that involves staying in Texas is looking mighty nice right now. It might be hell on earth in the summer but the AC is running today and I been outside smoking a brisket all day. (Freezing rain expected tomorrow).

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at November 21, 2013 02:27 PM (kxSZr)

70 Who here listened to the media and took a Katrina family into their own house?

Our church did. Then, everyone had to haul ass out of town because Rita blew in 3 weeks after Katrina. My folks drove to San Antonio to pick up my mom's cousin who was airlifted out of New Orleans. She was a nurse and stayed at the hospital during the storm.

Posted by: no good deed at November 21, 2013 02:27 PM (k55Fc)

71 Juan Williams, Magic House Negro.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 21, 2013 02:28 PM (vHRtU)

72 Oh ant OT. RE; the Knockout "game". I do love that the melanin levels of the attackers and the victims strangely gets ignored. I wonder why that is?

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 21, 2013 02:29 PM (1cD5X)

73 do showing jazz hands count?

Posted by: Ktnxbye, now in Ptown at November 21, 2013 02:29 PM (RPDkq)

74 I've renamed my 'mute' button The Juan....

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 21, 2013 02:29 PM (bCEmE)

75 Who here listened to the media and took a Katrina family into their own house?

I did. Well, the young boys anyhow.

Posted by: Harry Reid at November 21, 2013 02:29 PM (SY2Kh)

76 Tami, thanks for axing. Posted this earlier, Rove is slippery. 137 Speaking of Rove, I guess this is as good a time as any to report on lunch with the evil one. He is also thinking big. He noted that we have at least three Senate seats in the bag, not including NC and NC is the key to at least one more, LA. LA has a grab bag election, that is not over until dec. If we win in NC, his thought was the LA dems won't come out. He sees Scott Brown running in NH and winning. He says the idiot comedian in MN is in trouble. His PAC, Crossroads, is going in big in the GOP primaries. They have vetted their candidates already and plan to spend $30 million. Trying to remember any other pearls of wisdom. He's gotten re married, which I did not know. I'll remember some more shit later.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 02:30 PM (0FSuD)

77 1-7) No

yes
9) yes

Bastards.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 21, 2013 02:30 PM (ndlFj)

78 OT: A retirement plan that involves staying in Texas is looking mighty nice right now. It might be hell on earth in the summer but the AC is running today and I been outside smoking a brisket all day. (Freezing rain expected tomorrow).

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at November 21, 2013 06:27 PM (.............Bite me I am going to have to shovel some global warming off the driveway in the morning. Fuck.

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 21, 2013 02:30 PM (1cD5X)

79 Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 06:25 PM (1Y+hH) Hot damn for taking good care of yourself. Same sort of thing happened here, when the insurance adjuster decided to hike our rate for our having kept track of a static situation. ounce of prevention, pound of retribution

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 21, 2013 02:31 PM (MhA4j)

Already dark. And it's cold and getting colder. Freezing rain, sleet and snow for the next few days. I can't wait 'til spring.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2013 02:31 PM (66ULQ)

81 ".Bite me I am going to have to shovel some global warming off the driveway in the morning. Fuck." It already melted here. (Colorado mountains) Except at the ski area, but that's at a higher elevation and has a northern exposure.

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 02:32 PM (1Y+hH)

82 How many of you know someone who was invited out on a snipe hunt, only to find that not only were there no snipe, but it also wasn't a hunt? Meanies and bullies {{{ SOB! }}} !!!!!!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 21, 2013 02:33 PM (QlTaC)

83 How is this a trump card when the law expands indiv. insurance to preexisting conditions and the GOP has no alternate plans for that. Not that they need one right now, but they didn't before either. I guess it depends on who specifically the people without insurance are but it's not like there won't be pressure on the GOP not to reverse that once it kicks in, and it's pretty connected to the other parts. Think a post here even said ideally we should cover preexisting conditions but it's just too expensive. That's not exactly a rock solid argument

Posted by: blue.dot at November 21, 2013 02:34 PM (QjTYO)

84 Reid has turned the Senate clock back to when slavery was the rule and women couldn't vote.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2013 02:34 PM (ZshNr)

85 Thanks Nip Sip. Franken is in trouble!? Reeeeallly?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 21, 2013 02:34 PM (bCEmE)

86 Ounce of prevention, pound of retribution Posted by: panzernashorn at November 21, 2013 06:31 PM (MhA4j) Ah fiel ya payne...

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 02:34 PM (1Y+hH)

How many of you know someone who was invited out on a snipe hunt, only to find that not only were there no snipe, but it also wasn't a hunt?

Meanies and bullies {{{ SOB! }}} !!!!!!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 21, 2013 06:33 PM (QlTaC)

----------------------------------------------------

Heh.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2013 02:35 PM (66ULQ)

88 Anyone whose car sports a Democrat bumper sticker should lose the right to vote. Fucking idiots.

Posted by: OhioCoastie at November 21, 2013 02:35 PM (9m3Zl)

89 For both 6 and 7, yes. My contractors are being laid off in droves, and during the shutdown, many of them had to stay home and use their PTO until they ran out. But I blame the former not on the sequester but on Obama's horrendous policy direction for my agency.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 21, 2013 02:35 PM (1EtXn)

90 @82 There REALLY is a snipe to hunt and the little bastard is hard to hit. http://tinyurl.com/jwampss

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 02:35 PM (0FSuD)

91 44 Who here listened to the media and took a Katrina family into their own house?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 21, 2013 06:20 PM (oFCZn)

The couple I know moved with their two kids and dog into a house in Ohio owned by the wife's grandmother (the wife's mother had been living in the house but was committed to a nursing home for dementia shortly before Katrina happened). They proceded to live there rent-free, refused to even pay the annual property taxes or keep up the yard (the city threatened them with fines if they didn't mow the lawn - if you knew the city you would know how bad their lawn would have had to have been for that to happen). They had three more kids and got one more dog and still. live there today, never once having given their grandmother a dime to help pay the taxes and insurance on the house. The grandmother died this year and left the house to them, so I suppose now they have to pay the taxes on it.

When they first fled New Orleans to Ohio the wife's extended family raised money for them (several thousand dollars). My friend (the sister-in-law of the wife) personally drove the husband around town to apply for jobs. Less than a month later she discovered this couple had trashed her, the extended family, and the whole town (called them backwards, rednecks, wished they were back in the more enlightened city of New Orleans, etc.) on their personal blog. I saw what they posted.. utterly ungrateful and disgusting.

Posted by: not the mama at November 21, 2013 02:35 PM (5dxeo)

92 Anyone whose car sports a Democrat bumper sticker should lose the right to vote. Fucking idiots.

Seems like we say the same thing about team R more days than not.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at November 21, 2013 02:36 PM (kxSZr)

93 The victim was attacked by 17-year-old Marvell Weaver. But Weaver did more than try to knock his victim out, he tried to do it with a taser. Luckily for the victim, the taser didn't work and he was able to protect himself with his concealed-carry .40 caliber pistol.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2013 06:14 PM (IXrOn)

One of these "good boys just starting to turn his life around" is going to get buried over this shit and then we'll have Traytable II - The Blamening to deal with.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 21, 2013 02:37 PM (yh0zB)

94 78. 75 degrees today, 47 tomorrow.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 21, 2013 02:37 PM (MhA4j)

95 This Obamacare disaster hit people directly. Usually our taxes go up a little bit and we say, oh well, life goes on.

TFG really misunderestimated the American people this time. It's like a coup, except it's not soldiers running through the streets but millions of people getting mugged by the truth.

Posted by: PJ at November 21, 2013 02:37 PM (ZWaLo)

96 My friend came to me
With sadness in his eyes
He told me that he wanted help
Before his country dies

Although I couldn't feel the pain
I knew I had to try
Now I'm asking all of you
To help us save some lives

ObamaCare, ObamaCare
Where so many people are dying fast
And it sure looks like a mess
I've never seen such distress

Now won't you lend your hand and understand?
Relieve the people of ObamaCare

ObamaCare, ObamaCare
Such a great disaster, I don't understand
But it sure looks like a mess
I've never known such distress

Now please don't turn away
I want to hear you say
Relieve the people of ObamaCare
Relieve ObamaCare

ObamaCare, ObamaCare
Now it may seem so far from where we all are
It's something we can't neglect
It's something I can't neglect

Now won't you give some bread to get the starving fed?
We've got to relieve ObamaCare
Relieve the people of ObamaCare
We've got to relieve ObamaCare
Relieve the people of ObamaCare

Posted by: George Harrison at November 21, 2013 02:38 PM (e8kgV)

97 Franken is in trouble!? Reeeeallly? Posted by: Tami at November 21, 2013 06:34 PM (bCEmE) The guy running against Frankenstein is a self made man with millions and has really been a do gooder. Started a Charter school for the poorest of the poor, Blacks, Hispanics and Hmongs. He runs the thing when he's not running his hedge fund. He can finance his own campaign if he has too.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 02:39 PM (0FSuD)

98 "How many of you know someone (including yourself) who was furloughed during the brief Federal Government shutdown and then did not get back pay for the time furloughed?" ----------------------------------------- A good friend of my son works for the landscaping company that cares for the (PRIVATE) Peaks of Otter Lodge on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Barky shut them down so he lost a lot of pay, including the overtime he counts on from raking leaves, etc. He won't have any extra money for Christmas this year. But that's the only person I know who was hurt by that, whereas I know dozens hurt by Obamacare, including 2 in my immediate family. I was Obamacared from full time to part time work. My daughter has had her affordable insurance taken away from her and she can't afford the new crap.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 21, 2013 02:39 PM (dfYL9)

99 >>Who here listened to the media and took a Katrina family into their own house? I know people who did. I know people who lost their jobs, had to move to continue going to grad school and who just came up here and stayed.

Posted by: Mama AJ in north LA at November 21, 2013 02:39 PM (SUKHu)

100 I saw the jailhouse interview with Marvell Weaver. Not one bit of remorse. When asked why he did it, he said they were just bored and it was something to do.

Posted by: no good deed at November 21, 2013 02:40 PM (k55Fc)

101 Client's budgets cut, my hours cut, ad budgets cut, gee, co-inky-dink the day 0zerocare started. Uh, is co-INKY-dink racist?

Posted by: Ktnxbye, now in Ptown at November 21, 2013 02:40 PM (RPDkq)

102 @76 Did el gordo Rove admit to being to the left of Hubert Humphrey?

Posted by: Rung Sat denizen, swimming most of the time at November 21, 2013 02:40 PM (1/4XQ)

103
Brett Bair just had a story on how the WH has now coordinated the MFM to start going after the GOP and stop talking about Obamacare.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2013 02:40 PM (iGPSR)

104 TFG really misunderestimated the American people this time. It's like a coup, except it's not soldiers running through the streets but millions of people getting mugged by the truth.

Posted by: PJ at November 21, 2013 06:37 PM (ZWaLo)

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Truth. It knocks our hair back here in Pleasureville.

Posted by: Trojan Maiden at November 21, 2013 02:40 PM (66ULQ)

105 "Think a post here even said ideally we should cover preexisting conditions but it's just too expensive. That's not exactly a rock solid argument..." Nice work avoiding using "some people say". That would have been a dead giveaway.

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 02:41 PM (1Y+hH)

106 The ACA road to serfdom passes through Dante's Hell Gateway, abandon all hope all ye who enter...

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 21, 2013 02:41 PM (MhA4j)

107 "9) How many of you know someone (including yourself) who works for a business whose health insurance coverage is either going to be eliminated or become more expensive as a result of Obamacare?"

Well, uh, it just so happens I *do* know someone just like that. In not quite the same circumstances. She didn't have health cover through work beforehand.

But...

As she relayed it to me, she had had her hours at work painfully cut back from 40 to 29 because of what she refers to as "that damn ACA Act thing."

So she's not losing coverage per se. What she's losing are work hours. Because of the damn ACA Act.

She doesn't know that the ACA _is_ Obamacare.

An entirely typical low information voter in a nation filled to the brim with the same. Never underestimate the sheer power of a hundred and fifty million total boneheads.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 21, 2013 02:42 PM (gqT4g)

108 Grand Uncle Willie took me on a snipe hunt. Damn if that thing wasn't upmy butt the whole time. Willie got it out with his one eyed trouser mouse. Snipe love trouser mouse. Since then I have been able to rid snipes from lots of boys. THANKS Grand Uncle Willie!

Posted by: Hairy Reed at November 21, 2013 02:42 PM (vHRtU)

109 The guy running against Frankenstein is a self made man with millions and has really been a do gooder. Started a Charter school for the poorest of the poor, Blacks, Hispanics and Hmongs. He runs the thing when he's not running his hedge fund. He can finance his own campaign if he has too. Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 06:39 PM (0FSuD) Well that should be interesting. Is he well known in MN?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 21, 2013 02:42 PM (bCEmE)

110 Journalism & Sociology Prof. Todd Gitlin of at Columbia Univ.: Â‘Apocalyptic climate change is upon usÂ’

Anthropogenic Global Warming causes ObamaCare ... who knew ?

Posted by: Isaac Hayes at November 21, 2013 02:42 PM (e8kgV)

111 102 @76 Did el gordo Rove admit to being to the left of Hubert Humphrey? No, but surprisingly he looks a lot like HHH's lost love child. Same face same fat.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 02:42 PM (0FSuD)

112 Nice work avoiding using "some people say".

That would have been a dead giveaway.

Posted by: Meremortal, loud info mofo at November 21, 2013 06:41 PM (1Y+hH)

It wasn't a post, it was a comment, but I can't remember who made it. ChiTown Jerry maybe.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 21, 2013 02:43 PM (yh0zB)

113 3 I know a guy whose cousin got eaten in the Superdome during Katrina.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 21, 2013 06:05 PM (8ZskC)

Was there a choice of dog too?

Posted by: Barky O at November 21, 2013 02:43 PM (Oi60j)

114 I didn't exactly get hit with any of the above...yet...but the separate policy I keep on the 14 year old went up 50% due to Obamacide.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 21, 2013 02:45 PM (yh0zB)

115 My parents are looking at a $500/month increase in insurance premiums. They used to pay $330/month for the two of them. For my mother alone, the cost for the Bronze plan will be $830/month.

Posted by: no good deed at November 21, 2013 02:45 PM (k55Fc)

116 OT: That's a sexy little new island there. Much nicer than that islamic mud fart a couple of months ago.

Posted by: Buffy, the Commie Slayer at November 21, 2013 02:45 PM (kkbgQ)

117 Well that should be interesting. Is he well known in MN? Posted by: Tami at November 21, 2013 06:42 PM (bCEmE) Damn if I know, but he live in Min/St Paul, so he must be know there. That's the big dem block so if he can cut that lead, the rest of the state should bring him home. Rove mentioned that Frank was fucking crazy and his act was not selling well at home.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 02:45 PM (0FSuD)

118 Marvell's a GOOD BOY!

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2013 02:46 PM (MMC8r)

119 @111 Assume your eyeball BF estimate, I'll take someone to the right of el gordo Rove, like Hubert Humphrey, over that sorry excuse for a man.

Hubert died married to Muriel.

Posted by: Rung Sat denizen, swimming most of the time at November 21, 2013 02:46 PM (1/4XQ)

120 94 78.

75 degrees today, 47 tomorrow.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 21, 2013 06:37 PM .................I'm a Snowtrina victim! Take me in!!!!

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 21, 2013 02:47 PM (1cD5X)

121 True story.. today I get an email from HR reporting Obamacare has made tons of changes to employer provided plans. But.. if we renew our plan as of Dec 1st, we can keep our 2013 plan for another year. I had heard about this ruling a while back..

But I get fucked because being that I am enrolled in a high deductible plan, I pay everything from 0$ to $2500.

And, I had a colonoscopy scheduled for Dec 6th, since I had already met my deductible for the year. Now, I either cancel it, or pay the $2500 deductible (assuming here it would be that much - at Christmas time, no less). I got fucked out of a month of deductible thanks to Obama. Fuck you, you JEF!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 21, 2013 02:47 PM (b/lt+)

122 Al Franken is whats left in nObama's panties after Bo the Wonder Mutt licks off the shit stains.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at November 21, 2013 02:48 PM (vHRtU)

123 Don't believe Rove about MSP. MSP is entirely crazier than adult-diaper baby Franken.
And we're not even talking about the Somalis, who cut off clitorises more often than anyone else in the known universe. And their Swedish converts (who used to run MSP through their unions, like the Amalgamated Snoose Sniffers International).

Posted by: Rung Sat denizen, swimming most of the time at November 21, 2013 02:49 PM (1/4XQ)

124 My husband got a new plan for his company that we can keep for one year.

He just informed me he's having surgery on both hands for carpel tunnel on Dec. 3.

He also suggested that I get any moles checked by my dermatologist in case something needs removing.

Need to get everything possible taken care of while we still have decent coverage.

I really, really hate the LIVs who re-elected TFG.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 21, 2013 02:50 PM (lVPtV)

125 Hubert died married to Muriel. Posted by: Rung Sat denizen, swimming most of the time at November 21, 2013 06:46 PM (1/4XQ) Don't get to worked up, he was a likable socialist. The "Happy Warrior". Most men his age died with their first wife, that gets him no credit. http://tinyurl.com/j9k75

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 02:52 PM (0FSuD)

126 Get everything done you can before 2014.

Drop your dental and vision 'insurance' and put those payments into savings then negotiate cash deals at the time of service.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 21, 2013 02:53 PM (vHRtU)

127 Usually liberals can get away with it when they slowly boil the frog, but they cranked it up to 11 too quickly. It also has ties in directly with the big government liberalism that "progressives" have been pushing. Much bigger than something like Katrina or Iran Contra that were scandals that didn't tie into people rexamining their ideology.

Most of the liberals' boogiemen in general are imaginary, and ironically, most of what Social Conservatives push in the political arena that creates many of these boogiemen is also absurd. It has ZERO chance of ever actually becoming law.

So we have two sides that make sure every election we talk about something like abortion, when only the idiots on both sides actually believe there's ever going to be an America where say rape victims can't get an abortion.

Posted by: McAdams at November 21, 2013 02:53 PM (2TMCu)

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Posted by: Barry the Lap Dog at November 21, 2013 02:53 PM (KQp38)

129 *crying* Questions 1 thru 7? Yes, yes, to all of them. YES!

Posted by: Sheppy at November 21, 2013 02:54 PM (66ULQ)

130 I wish I could die with my first wife. In a horrible crash. So I could go out hearing her screams.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 21, 2013 02:54 PM (vHRtU)

131 128 bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark Posted by: Barry the Lap Dog at November 21, 2013 06:53 PM (KQp3

Hey, you talking about us?

Posted by: The MSM at November 21, 2013 02:54 PM (0FSuD)

132 Yes, it makes perfect sense to take over EVERYBODY's healthcare to 'fix' the problem of pre-existing conditions. Just like taking over the healthcare of the 85% who have it to 'fix' it for the 15% that don't.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2013 02:55 PM (MMC8r)

133 Anyone know who plays in NFL game tonight?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2013 02:56 PM (0FSuD)

134 Btw, I don't think McFadden will abolish the unconstitutional federal Dept. of Ed.
He would only get my vote b/c he's not Franken. Moreover, if Rove is talking about him, McFadden is the squish. There is another Republican running: Tom Emmer.
I've met Emmer, he has 7 or 8 kids, is a former hockey player, good teeth nonetheless, and will tag them and bag them.
Right now, we need to tag them and bag them before the contagion spreads.

Posted by: Rung Sat denizen, swimming most of the time at November 21, 2013 02:56 PM (1/4XQ)

135 OT: I was waiting for the ONT but have stuff to do.

This "Knockout game" the kids are playing? Where they just roll up on some poor sod and punch him?

Yeah. Pro-Tip to the idiots who think this is a good plan: I will put two in your chest before you even reach me. Pick another game.

Posted by: tangonine at November 21, 2013 02:58 PM (x3YFz)

136 @125 Yep.
To the right of el gordo Rove, that miserable simulacrum of a man, on every issue.

Posted by: Rung Sat denizen, swimming most of the time at November 21, 2013 02:58 PM (1/4XQ)

137 Effing LOSER Rove.

Serial. Loser.

Posted by: Rung Sat denizen, swimming most of the time at November 21, 2013 02:59 PM (1/4XQ)

138 Posted by: The MSM at November 21, 2013 06:54 PM

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*snap*

Posted by: Barry the Lap Dog at November 21, 2013 02:59 PM (KQp38)

139 Didn't know anyone who died due to Katrina, but a number of them voted in the last presidential election for the current guy.

Posted by: jim at November 21, 2013 02:59 PM (VwhRo)

140 RINO troll here - DAMN FUCKING STRAIGHT. Excellent excellent insight. Here's the other thing that hasn't been noted yet. Losing your insurance - sucks. Losing your insurance and having to pay more for a new plan - sucks more. Losing your insurance and not being able to afford a new plan - sucks even more. Losing your insurance, not being able to afford a new plan, AND HAVING TO PAY 1% OF YOUR INCOME TO THE IRS FOR NOT HAVING YOUR INSURANCE - borderline revolution. It's that last group that we need to get on TV ASAP over and over and over. Run it nationwide. Find the perfect person: female, voted for Obama, makes 45K a year (just not enough to qualify), lost insurance, couldn't get new insurance because either the website fucked up or it was too expensive, had medical costs out of pocket because uninsured, and then had to pay the goddamn fine for being uninsured. Find this person. There will be millions of them. Find the most sympathetic, and spend $1 billion nationwide running her story over and over and over. All that money crossroads and AFP flushed down the drain in 2012 - fuck that shit. Now your money counts. Now we have ads to run. Now we bury these sons of bitches.

Posted by: Brian Cobbs at November 21, 2013 03:08 PM (D8Yi3)

141

So your post implies that the Dems will lose the Senate. And they dumped the filibuster today.

And these same people write our laws.

Posted by: redenzo at November 21, 2013 03:11 PM (bMeMt)

142 Has anyone seen any anti-O ads running? I don't watch much TV.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 21, 2013 03:11 PM (vHRtU)

143 124 YEP. Absolutely get that top-quality healthcare while it's still around. Talking to many surgeons they have nothing nice to say about it. And they should know

Posted by: DAve at November 21, 2013 03:12 PM (b7yum)

144 @Redenzo - smart move for the Dems. They've got one year left to get as much done w/ judicial nominees as possible. I would have done the same thing.

Posted by: Brian Cobbs at November 21, 2013 03:15 PM (D8Yi3)

145 They should keep in mind that playing 'whack a judge' is an old tradition in America.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 21, 2013 03:16 PM (vHRtU)

146

Find the perfect person: female, voted for Obama, makes 45K a year (just not enough to qualify), lost insurance, couldn't get new insurance because either the website fucked up or it was too expensive, had medical costs out of pocket because uninsured, and then had to pay the goddamn fine for being uninsured.

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And she has to be gorgeous........with nice tits.

Posted by: Sheppy at November 21, 2013 03:19 PM (66ULQ)

147 Off weepy sock

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2013 03:21 PM (66ULQ)

148 I was actually almost denied the right to vote. We vote by mail in WA state. I get my mail at a property I own, which is where I am registered to vote and the same address used on my driver's license. You have to understand that they continue to deliver mail to this address for people that haven't lived there in three years, no matter how many times I refuse the mail.

Two weeks before the election, my mail carrier decided on his/her own to start returning my mail. They labeled it undeliverable with no forwarding address. I didn't find this out, until they returned my pay stub to my employer. I'd already requested a second ballot to be mailed and of course, hadn't gotten that either. I went to complain at the post office. Initially, they tried to tell me that the mail carriers could decided whether or not someone actually lived at a residence. I told her in no uncertain terms that I was getting my mail there and that I would put in a change of address should I ever decided to get my mail at another address.

She gave up at that point and sent out the supervisor, who apologized and tried to say it was an innocent mistake. I told him I'd file a complaint against the carrier if it happened again. I requested a third ballot, which I did receive in time to vote at the election. Need I say that I am the only person at that address that gets flyers from Hillsdale College? I hate vote by mail.

Posted by: notso thoreau at November 21, 2013 04:27 PM (5HBd1)

149 48 This nation is in grave jeopardy. Did you order the code red!

Posted by: ken anthony at November 21, 2013 04:33 PM (Ro6J3)

150 I went to the eye doctor to beat obamacare and the girls there said they are inundated by people having their surgeries before January 1, which will be the Realm of the Unknown at this point.

I think if everyone resists, doctors and hospitals will treat people and put even more pressure on the gubmint to repeal this turkey. How can they not?

Posted by: PJ at November 21, 2013 09:12 PM (ZWaLo)

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