January 10, 2013
— Ace Via Instapundit, some good words English just doesn't have word for.
A few examples:
2 Arigata-meiwaku (Japanese): An act someone does for you that you didnÂ’t want to have them do and tried to avoid having them do, but they went ahead anyway, determined to do you a favor, and then things went wrong and caused you a lot of trouble, yet in the end social conventions required you to express gratitude
Kind of convoluted but I know what they mean, I think, or at least something like that. I've been in the situation, trying to ingratiate myself to a girl, of suggesting we do something I'm guessing she'd like, and she agrees, thinking that's what I'd like, but in fact neither of us wanted to do this thing at all, so now here we are, trying to mutually please the other and both failing at at and now mutually displeased, eating a joint of mutton at Medieval Times.
Well no not Medieval Times but something.
3 Backpfeifengesicht (German): A face badly in need of a fist
Seems useful but I think maybe spelling it out in words is even better: "A face badly in need of a fist." Not sure I want to cut that down into a one-word thing.
5 Desenrascanço (Portuguese): “to disentangle” yourself out of a bad situation (To MacGyver it)...
9 Guanxi (Mandarin): in traditional Chinese society, you would build up good guanxi by giving gifts to people, taking them to dinner, or doing them a favor, but you can also use up your gianxi by asking for a favor to be repaid
That idea exists in the English-speaking word but I don't know how you'd say it briefly.
11 L’esprit de l’escalier (French): usually translated as “staircase wit,” is the act of thinking of a clever comeback when it is too late to deliver it
I think maybe we have that, now: "Jerkstore."
22 Tatemae and Honne (Japanese): What you pretend to believe and what you actually believe, respectively
Very useful -- we talk about this when we talk about preference cascades.
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Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 10, 2013 10:15 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 10, 2013 10:15 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 10, 2013 10:16 AM (FsUAO)
This happens to me. I keep telling people, "Please don't buy me Christmas or birthday presents. I don't need anything. If I do need something, I go out and buy it, instead of hinting around that someone should provide it."
But I still get presents. And I still have to say thank you (which I do sincerely). And the cycle continues. I hope I don't sound like a dick, cos I'm not, I just don't want to get presents.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 10, 2013 10:16 AM (P7hip)
oh, a fruit cake , oh dear, you shouldn't have. Oh you would like to have some now. ?
oh really you shouldn't have.
no i mean Really you shouldn't have, this is such a large cake, , yes the family will be surprised , thank you .
Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 10:17 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Al Roker at January 10, 2013 10:17 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: lincolntf at January 10, 2013 10:18 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at January 10, 2013 10:18 AM (BIJKO)
Posted by: DangerGirl - feeling empty at January 10, 2013 10:18 AM (IpwkJ)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 10, 2013 10:18 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 10:18 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 10:19 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 10, 2013 10:19 AM (xSegX)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 10, 2013 10:19 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: JDTAY at January 10, 2013 10:19 AM (a0nis)
Chances are that English has had words for these concepts but they fell out of favor and were forgotten.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 10, 2013 10:19 AM (djdc7)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 10, 2013 10:19 AM (P7hip)
See also: Al Gore, Michael Moore, Sean Penn, Hugo Chavez, Vladimir Putin, and Michael Moore.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:19 AM (KnIgz)
Posted by: CC at January 10, 2013 10:19 AM (A+Su2)
Posted by: Wooga at January 10, 2013 10:19 AM (AuMXb)
I thought that was Austrian for Obama.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 10:20 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: EC at January 10, 2013 10:20 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 10:20 AM (LCRYB)
When my sister was in the hospital waiting for her second child's lungs to develop enough he could be yanked out (some complications in the 8th month, he's awesome now) my mother re-arranged all her kitchen cupboards. When she got home, she couldn't find anything.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ (BAN ALL THE THINGS!) at January 10, 2013 10:20 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Vic at January 10, 2013 10:20 AM (53z96)
"...trying to mutually please the other and both failing at at and now mutually displeased, eating a joint of mutton at Medieval Times."
So, Ace, do you "joust"? If so, maybe we should get together, IYKWIMAITYD.
Posted by: Bawney Fwank at January 10, 2013 10:21 AM (/Mla1)
is this where we say, well bless your heart?
esenrascanço (Portuguese): “to disentangle” yourself out of a bad situation (To MacGyver it)
Honey, No, he was just looking at my earlobe!
Tatemae and Honne (Japanese): What you pretend to believe and what you actually believe, respectively
The rations will be larger today!
Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 10:21 AM (nqBYe)
Karma is another word we use for a similar sentiment.
BTW, I think the Germans always make new words by just combining other words. IIRC a glove is something like a handshoe. Not the most poetic of people that lot.
Posted by: Voluble at January 10, 2013 10:21 AM (qYvEa)
"Very useful -- we talk about this when we talk about preference cascades."
If you like, you can talk about preference cascades. After the 2012 election, I never want to hear the phrase again.
Posted by: troyriser at January 10, 2013 10:21 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Libertarianjim (team #letitburn) at January 10, 2013 10:21 AM (y5sPI)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 10, 2013 10:22 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: tasker at January 10, 2013 10:22 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 10, 2013 10:23 AM (Rq+Vo)
Posted by: NacRadDoc at January 10, 2013 10:23 AM (phAHG)
Is that because it's roughly the sound someone makes when they have a fist in their mouth?
Posted by: yinzer at January 10, 2013 10:23 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: true conservatives!!!! at January 10, 2013 10:23 AM (iqn8w)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 10, 2013 10:23 AM (FsUAO)
I think Cracked.com had a list very similar to this not too long ago. The great thing about english, of course, is you can blend foreign words into everyday language without batting an eye; unlike, say, french, which HATES having to incorporate english terms like "email."
Tatemae and Honne (Japanese): What you pretend to believe and what you actually believe, respectively
Also known as, "I'll act like I'm happy to have this strange person in my onsen because it's the polite thing to do, but I really don't like him at all. He's loud and smelly and foreign."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 10, 2013 10:24 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2013 10:24 AM (GFM2b)
Everybody wins with capitalism...
Posted by: Voluble at January 10, 2013 10:24 AM (qYvEa)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 10, 2013 10:24 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: tasker at January 10, 2013 10:24 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at January 10, 2013 10:24 AM (wbeNt)
Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 10:26 AM (LCRYB)
Don't we all have a friend like that , You NEVER want them to do anything for you because it will never be forgotten or you will Never have paid them back enough?
Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 10:26 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: flmom at January 10, 2013 10:26 AM (nSjrf)
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 10, 2013 10:26 AM (Rq+Vo)
you get juice in the military by doing favors and acquiring poguey bait the mark needs....
never enough to be a "bribbe" just a lot of "help"
"juice"
Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:26 AM (LRFds)
"Disingenuous". Try to explain the meaning of that word to someone.
Posted by: eleven at January 10, 2013 10:27 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: Soona at January 10, 2013 10:27 AM (gKwHR)
Luftmensch (Yiddish) An impractical dreamer with no business sense. Literally, air person.
Posted by: Vic at January 10, 2013 10:27 AM (53z96)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at January 10, 2013 10:27 AM (wbeNt)
Posted by: BuddyPC at January 10, 2013 10:27 AM (jfUIE)
Posted by: lincolntf at January 10, 2013 10:27 AM (ZshNr)
hhmmm. Tough one. Hobo-adrenal-rection?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:27 AM (KnIgz)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 10, 2013 10:28 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: SmileyNH at January 10, 2013 10:28 AM (hlZx/)
2 Arigata-meiwaku (Japanese):
This is like the thing they do in many countries where it's customary for a host to give their guests a gift, which the guest is then expected to respond to with a gift of equal or greater value. Turning down the gift is considered very, very rude, just as it's rude to not repay the gift. I've known at least one person who was dreading visiting family in... was it Taiwan? Because she KNEW her grandmother was going to do this, even though she'd asked her not to, and she didn't want to deal with the social etiquette of receiving a gift she didn't want and hadn't asked for, that would probably be quite expensive, and which she'd then have to repay in some way without offending her grandmother.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 10, 2013 10:28 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: palooka at January 10, 2013 10:28 AM (5oz7R)
Posted by: CC at January 10, 2013 02:19 PM (A+Su2)
I lived on the campus farm whole in college. The lady in charge of the boys units brought me a german chocolate cake for my birthday. After all the other residents left. To my bunk.
When someones asks me if i want a cake for my birthday, yes, german chocolate please.
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 10, 2013 10:28 AM (ma1sf)
Posted by: tasker at January 10, 2013 10:28 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2013 10:28 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Evi. L. Bloggerlady at January 10, 2013 10:28 AM (4kTo2)
Posted by: eleven at January 10, 2013 02:27 PM (KXm42)
Flowery fibs?"
Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 10:29 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: The Lone Wanderer at January 10, 2013 10:29 AM (yvLd8)
I think Pink Floyd sang about that, didn't they?
"I........have become--
Punchably smug"
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 10, 2013 10:29 AM (P7hip)
Yeah, exactly. Calling it a murder-boner is just crass.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 10, 2013 10:29 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: cajun carrot at January 10, 2013 10:29 AM (UZQM8)
You just gotta be blunt sometimes. It'll save you a lot of aggravation.
Posted by: eleven at January 10, 2013 10:29 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: tasker at January 10, 2013 10:29 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 02:18 PM (nqBYe)
Much like the time my F-i-l scrubbed my kitchen sink and was clearly hurt at my lack of praise. It wasn't that he did a bad job, he did a great job and clearly put a lot of effort into it, it was just that I didn't *care* if my sink was scrubbed.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at January 10, 2013 10:30 AM (wbeNt)
Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 10, 2013 10:30 AM (ZjRcD)
hhmmm. Tough one. Hobo-adrenal-rection?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 02:27 PM (KnIgz)
Hobo-Chub.
Posted by: EC at January 10, 2013 10:30 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: ElKomandante at January 10, 2013 10:30 AM (mM141)
Beat me to it. Yes we call this goodwill in the English convention. i.e. I've built up a lot of goodwill with Bob, time to call in a favor.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 10, 2013 10:30 AM (0q2P7)
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I'm thinking EdSchultzFace.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 10, 2013 10:30 AM (XUKZU)
Hey fucknuts we're observing how long the American people can be subjected to bullshit before they figure out it ain't caviar.
Ogabe's trillion dollar coin trick may be the mark
Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:30 AM (LRFds)
3 Backpfeifengesicht (German): A face badly in need of a fist
There are just so many to choose from...
Is there a word for "A face badly in need of a fist, but which you're scared to punch for fear your fist will disappear into the face's fat folds like the Blob and you'll never get it back?" For example, Michael Moore.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 10, 2013 10:31 AM (4df7R)
I thought the English word for this was "Obamacare"?
Posted by: MrCaniac at January 10, 2013 10:31 AM (Zd/NW)
Posted by: Wooga at January 10, 2013 10:31 AM (hUbRl)
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at January 10, 2013 10:31 AM (b+8h9)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 10, 2013 10:31 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: cajun carrot at January 10, 2013 10:32 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 10, 2013 02:19 PM (xSegX)
My mom said that one of the things that troubled her about Spanish was that there was no way to differentiate between ways of obtaining wealth. If you earned it, won the lottery or stole it the word was the same. Is that sort of what you mean?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at January 10, 2013 10:32 AM (wbeNt)
Posted by: taylork at January 10, 2013 10:32 AM (ppNDn)
Posted by: gigg at January 10, 2013 10:32 AM (41VCE)
Private Pyle, that was some arigata-meiwaku! - Sgt Carter
Sur-prize! Sur-prize! Sur-prize! I knew you would like it Sgt. Carter - Private Gomer Pyle, USMC
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 10, 2013 10:32 AM (BAS5M)
Sexlatergaze.
Posted by: EC at January 10, 2013 10:32 AM (GQ8sn)
"Marriage"?
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 10, 2013 10:32 AM (ryAWr)
So basically, one "Oh Shit" equals one hundred "Atta Boys".
Posted by: MrCaniac at January 10, 2013 10:32 AM (Zd/NW)
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 10, 2013 10:32 AM (Rq+Vo)
Everyday.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ (BAN ALL THE THINGS!) at January 10, 2013 10:32 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2013 10:33 AM (GFM2b)
Eh??
Posted by: cajun carrot at January 10, 2013 02:32 PM (UZQM
Disappeared trolololol post.
Posted by: EC at January 10, 2013 10:33 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at January 10, 2013 10:33 AM (b+8h9)
Posted by: Long Island at January 10, 2013 10:33 AM (hl8SI)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at January 10, 2013 02:30 PM (wbeNt)
I know !
i always want to say to spouse that actually might actually put his own clothes in the hamper, "what, you want a cookie!"
Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 10:33 AM (nqBYe)
one of the dial a trolls is calling out Ewok-6 on "preference cascade" and America still loving them some Ogabe.
I think the fucking moonbat will see it with Barry's trillion dollar hustle.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:33 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at January 10, 2013 10:34 AM (ZMzpb)
Posted by: Y-not at January 10, 2013 10:34 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 10, 2013 02:28 PM (4df7R)
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Sounds like Christmas to me.
Posted by: Soona at January 10, 2013 10:34 AM (gKwHR)
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The road to hell is paved with failed progressive do-gooder policies that were designed to make the low information voter think that the progs care and that the progs are fixing the problem.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 10, 2013 10:34 AM (XUKZU)
"Spotenfreude" : The indescribable sense of glee you get when someone pulls out of their close to the front parking space in a crowded lot right in front of you.
Posted by: looking closely at January 10, 2013 10:34 AM (6Q9g2)
Here's why I think that might be a possibility. Politicians love to take things of intrinsic value and trade them for promises. Eg they trade tax increases now for the promise of future cute. Or they traded Social Security's funds with IOUs.
Two questions: One, would that change anything? Two, if this hare-brained plan to back debt with phony-value coins works, why isn't my scenario likely?
Posted by: bonhomme at January 10, 2013 10:34 AM (44jNh)
Posted by: ElKomandante at January 10, 2013 10:34 AM (mM141)
Posted by: Wooga at January 10, 2013 10:34 AM (hUbRl)
90 Id like a word for liberal pseudo-philosophers and professors who purposely dont dress properly, comb, cut their hair or shave (purposely disheveled) in order to give off the appearance of being too busy pondering man's deepest questions to be distracted by such silly notions as grooming... as a cover for sloth.
Fakesauce Philosophers.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 10, 2013 10:35 AM (4df7R)
Survival Instinct
Posted by: ontherocks at January 10, 2013 10:35 AM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2013 10:35 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Voluble at January 10, 2013 02:21 PM (qYvEa)
Yes, a glove is indeed a "hand shoe". My kids find that one particularly amusing.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at January 10, 2013 10:35 AM (wbeNt)
yeah sorta the Chinese were a lot more ritualized in the parameters of what was and was not Juice though.
I love Sinoculture.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:36 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: cajun carrot at January 10, 2013 10:36 AM (UZQM8)
to mint platinum coins to back the debt. What if he gets the bright
idea to totally remove the gold in the Federal Reserve, place a neat,
small stack of Platinum Obamacoins in their place, and sell off the
gold?
He wouldn't. The gold actually represents the value in their full metal weight. The stack of platinum coins doesn't, even though it's stamped at $1T each. He'd be trading something with real value with something that doesn't have it.
Posted by: EC at January 10, 2013 10:37 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Voluble at January 10, 2013 10:37 AM (qYvEa)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 10, 2013 10:37 AM (7h5MH)
Unabomber?
Posted by: L, elle at January 10, 2013 10:37 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at January 10, 2013 10:38 AM (b+8h9)
Posted by: looking closely at January 10, 2013 02:34 PM (6Q9g2)
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Bosenfroh: The joy of seeing some really nice tits.
Posted by: Soona at January 10, 2013 10:38 AM (gKwHR)
Kind of convoluted but I know what they mean, I think, or at least something like that. I've been in the situation, trying to ingratiate myself to a girl, of suggesting we do something I'm guessing she'd like, and she agrees, thinking that's what I'd like, but in fact neither of us wanted to do this thing at all, so now here we are, trying to mutually please the other and both failing at at and now mutually displeased, eating a joint of mutton at Medieval Times.
Bad example. Not that I can think of a better one of the top of my head, but that is a bit different I think, than 2 people both doing something they think the other likes.
It's more like "help" that doesn't help and isn't wanted, but you have to act grateful for it even though it fucked your shit up worse, because you know the stupid idiot was trying so hard to be helpful when he made everything worse.
Posted by: Entropy at January 10, 2013 10:38 AM (TULs6)
"An act someone does for you that you didnÂ’t want to have them do and tried to avoid having them do, but they went ahead anyway, determined to do you a favor fuck up the healthcare system like a goddamn accident and make your country even more bankrupt than before, and then things went wrong and caused you a lot of trouble exactly as planned, yet in the end social conventions required you to express gratitude because not doing so would be racist n' shit.
ObamaCare.
FTFY
Posted by: Armando at January 10, 2013 10:38 AM (5iuEW)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 10, 2013 10:38 AM (nZvGM)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:38 AM (KnIgz)
as opposed to his brilliant venture socialism moves?
Hell the bullion theft would be if anything more honest.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:38 AM (LRFds)
Much like the time my F-i-l scrubbed my kitchen sink
and was clearly hurt at my lack of praise. It wasn't that he did a bad
job, he did a great job and clearly put a lot of effort into it, it was
just that I didn't *care* if my sink was scrubbed.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at January 10, 2013 02:30 PM (wbeNt)
This happens withmy mother ALL THE TIME. She'll look around and say, "Don't you want to move all the stuff from this closet to that closet? It would free up some room and your clothes won't be so crushed."
"No, it's fine, mom."
"Are you sure? Isn't it hard to get at yourclothes?"
"If it was hard I'd have done something by now. It's fine, mom."
"But look, you don't even WEAR half of these things. You must forget you own most of them."
"MOM! It's FINE!"
God forbid you walk away and leave her alone near something she considers "untidy." Oh God.
"I rearranged your closet so that you can get at your clothes easier."
"WHAT THE HELL! All of the things I wear are in a completely different room now?"
"That way you can find things easier."
"I COULD FIND THEM JUST FINE!"
*facepalm*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 10, 2013 10:38 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Harry Reid at January 10, 2013 10:38 AM (hUbRl)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 10, 2013 10:38 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at January 10, 2013 10:39 AM (ZMzpb)
Posted by: buzzion at January 10, 2013 10:39 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 10, 2013 10:39 AM (RuUvx)
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I was thinking that this was like karma.
Posted by: RoadRunner at January 10, 2013 10:39 AM (BvTwT)
You hear mandolins in your country music other than on Firefly?
Heh...
hey a gift...
http://threekingdoms.com/
"empires wax, empires wane"
Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:40 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 10, 2013 02:37 PM (7h5MH)
>>>
Rick Moranis' character Louis in Ghostbusters
Phil Hartman's character Ted in Jingle All The Way
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 10, 2013 10:40 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: votermom at January 10, 2013 10:40 AM (pFtxQ)
Posted by: EC at January 10, 2013 02:37 PM (GQ8sn)
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Whoa!! We've never thought of that. Brilliant!
Posted by: Timmy and Baraka, united at January 10, 2013 10:40 AM (gKwHR)
"Hi honey! While you were at work, I washed your sweaters. They're in the dryer!"
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ (BAN ALL THE THINGS!) at January 10, 2013 10:40 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 02:38 PM (KnIgz)
You always end up feeling hungry again half an hour after you eat.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 10, 2013 10:41 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:41 AM (KnIgz)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 10, 2013 10:41 AM (NokrH)
it does....
fun with homonyms....
Duende is also the base for the Shadowrun universe slur against elves "dandelion eaters"
Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:42 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 10, 2013 10:42 AM (RuUvx)
Posted by: buzzion at January 10, 2013 02:39 PM (GULKT)
Isn't the latter Hector? I think hector and Reality Shirk are different trolls. But who can tell anymore, when all trolls are Average Joe?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 10, 2013 10:42 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Professor Marius Von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 10, 2013 10:42 AM (kLunK)
http://youtu.be/z0rwAWz7K0o
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 02:41 PM (KnIgz)
Bless you!
Posted by: EC at January 10, 2013 10:42 AM (GQ8sn)
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I see a good deal of resemblance between myself and the character Kurt Wallander on Wallander, a sometimes series featured on PBS's Masterpiece Theater (which I watch because I'm an intellectual and shit). So the other night old Kurt was bumbed because he had to kill this guy who had it coming but he was still a guy so he had let his personal hygiene deteriorate. He finally went back to his boss at the police station and told her he wanted to come back. She told him that they would try it but that he literally stunk. He went into his office, sniffed under his arms, removed his shirt, then used the drapes to mop up any excess perspiration. I thought, yes, they have captured the real me.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 10, 2013 10:42 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: eleven at January 10, 2013 10:43 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 10:43 AM (nqBYe)
stiff stiff?
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at January 10, 2013 02:39 PM (ZMzpb)
Killwood.
Posted by: Invictus at January 10, 2013 10:44 AM (OQpzc)
That idea exists in the English-speaking word but I don't know how you'd say it briefly.
Ingratiation. Clientelism (in a political context). Quid pro quo (OK, that's latin). "Social networking".
Posted by: Entropy at January 10, 2013 10:44 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at January 10, 2013 10:44 AM (b+8h9)
Posted by: (That Reality Check?) at January 10, 2013 10:44 AM (/YJYi)
Posted by: polynikes at January 10, 2013 10:44 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 10, 2013 10:44 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: votermom at January 10, 2013 10:45 AM (pFtxQ)
>> Not sure I want to cut that down into a one-word thing.
Germans have such a hard on for taking a bunch of little words and making one big motherfucker out of it.
Related: If only the French had a word for entrepreneur.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 10, 2013 10:45 AM (Jm7mj)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 10, 2013 10:45 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 10, 2013 10:46 AM (7h5MH)
Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 02:43 PM (nqBYe)
Hah!
My sister in PA is terrified that the next time my parents go down to visit family in NJ they'll swing by her apartment. "I haven't cleaned in months! Mom will kill me with Windex and a Swiffer!"
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 10, 2013 10:46 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:47 AM (KnIgz)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 10, 2013 10:47 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: gigg at January 10, 2013 10:48 AM (41VCE)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 10, 2013 10:48 AM (VtjlW)
That "favor that fucks everything up" has been on every sitcom ever.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ (BAN ALL THE THINGS!) at January 10, 2013 10:48 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: mare at January 10, 2013 10:48 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Entropy at January 10, 2013 10:48 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 10, 2013 10:49 AM (7h5MH)
Posted by: tasker at January 10, 2013 10:49 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wilde Wrepublican Wench at January 10, 2013 10:49 AM (0pme7)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 10, 2013 02:38 PM (4df7R)
I was LoLing repeatedly as I read that. Still am in fact.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at January 10, 2013 10:49 AM (wbeNt)
No doubt that "A Roker" is going to become a verb, or a noun, or both.
The Jets season was a total roker
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 10, 2013 10:49 AM (p/cQy)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:50 AM (KnIgz)
Oh it's my MIL. I had to tell her at one point. "If you take soap and/or water to my cast iron cookware ONE MORE TIME® I will permanently ban you from my household."
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 10, 2013 10:50 AM (0q2P7)
I think everyone of those definitions can be attached to the root of a single word.
Narcissistic.
Posted by: polynikes at January 10, 2013 10:50 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Deathknyte at January 10, 2013 10:50 AM (hlRl3)
Posted by: tasker at January 10, 2013 10:51 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:52 AM (KnIgz)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 10, 2013 10:52 AM (7h5MH)
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at January 10, 2013 10:52 AM (b+8h9)
Posted by: tasker at January 10, 2013 10:52 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ (BAN ALL THE THINGS!) at January 10, 2013 02:40 PM (ZKzrr)
You forgot the all important modifier "wool". It's one of the reasons I don't make my nice handspun stuff for my kids. Guaranteed to end up in a pile on the floor and get bundled into the wash with everything else.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at January 10, 2013 10:52 AM (wbeNt)
Posted by: BuddyPC at January 10, 2013 10:53 AM (jfUIE)
Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 10, 2013 10:54 AM (O8DFT)
no I"M NOT obsessive!
maybe slightly. i can hhave a small amount of disorder If i know i can clean up in 5 minutes or so.
Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 10:54 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at January 10, 2013 10:55 AM (b+8h9)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2013 10:56 AM (GFM2b)
Yiddish is full of these great words. My daughter was looking for a word last night to describe a man she thought was just an all-around great guy, somebody you knew you could count on, who did good deeds, etc. I said "you are talking about a 'mensch.'" I love that word, "mensch," because it looks like sort of a modified version of "man," and that's exactly what it means! A superlative man.
Meshuga, shlemiel, and even schmuck really do not translate into English precisely.
Posted by: rockmom at January 10, 2013 10:57 AM (NYnoe)
Posted by: gigg at January 10, 2013 10:57 AM (41VCE)
I think King of Queens has done that one about 30 times.
Posted by: eleven at January 10, 2013 10:57 AM (KXm42)
Right now I am looking for a word to describe how I feel after looking at my first paycheck for 2013 and finding that it is lighter by over $100, despite me supposedly getting a raise.
Motherf*** just doesn't seem to quite convey it.
Posted by: rockmom at January 10, 2013 10:59 AM (qE3AR)
Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 11:00 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 10, 2013 11:02 AM (9GaPd)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 10, 2013 11:02 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 11:02 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2013 11:02 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Entropy at January 10, 2013 11:03 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 11:03 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at January 10, 2013 02:18 PM (BIJKO)
An attempt at a serious English equivalent: "social capital".
Not so serious: "brownie points".
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 10, 2013 11:04 AM (29+x5)
Another school shooting. No one killed. Some wounded.
Watch the MFM howl. Oh, and this time it was a shotgun.
Posted by: Timmy and Baraka, united at January 10, 2013 11:04 AM (gKwHR)
Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 10, 2013 11:04 AM (O8DFT)
Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 10, 2013 11:05 AM (O8DFT)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2013 11:05 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at January 10, 2013 11:06 AM (0It32)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wilde Wrepublican Wench at January 10, 2013 11:07 AM (0pme7)
Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 11:08 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 03:08 PM (LCRYB)
or lackanookie
Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 11:11 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: votermom at January 10, 2013 11:12 AM (pFtxQ)
The definition provided for Tatemae - Honne is not the single, one-and-only definition. It's certainly accurate, but there are important variations on this definition. The whole concept of the Tatemae - Honne dichotomy is culturally quite central to Japanese life.
It's all hugely bound up with the imperative to maintain broad-based "Wa" or harmony, whether within or across groups. Careful cultivation and manipulation of the Tatemae - Honne construct helps to preserve "Wa" in Japanese society.
I heartily recommend Bob Whiting's aptly-titled book about Japanese baseball (and American Major Leaguers crashing it), "You Gotta Have Wa," for a great and non-mystical explication/illumination of this whole phenomenon.
(I've lived off-and-on in Tokyo since 1988, a dubious accomplishment flowing from my 4 years of formal Japanese language coursework in undergrad.)
Someone on this thread mentioned that this dichotomy is suggestive of hypocrisy. In some cases, yes, yes it is.
But consider hypocrisy a matter of Free Will: You can choose to not merely pay lip-service, or to suck up to some one or some group, or whatever.
In contrast, the Tatemae - Honne dichotomy has mostly evolved out of a straitjacketed social circumstance, indeed out of a historical tendency in Japan towards benevolent dictatorship in terms of social roles, responsibilities, stratification, etc. In short, limited to no free will, or at least the expression of what one truly wants (as opposed to what one is obligated to perform, submit to, etc.) limited to a very small, trusted, and like-minded in-group.
The twist on this more "nuanced" view of the Tatemae - Honne dichotomy is that some people, while not openly rebelling against whatever given situation creates an expectation of obedience, do manage in some cases to very artfully finesse the lip-service expected of them in the immediate term, while in the medium-to-longer term actually maneuvering people and processes to go the way that their Free Will would have them exercise -- just not openly in a Japanese setting. So they get their way, and those expecting adherence to the Tatemae surface-level-only approach are also mollified if neutralized.
Posted by: RamonAllones at January 10, 2013 11:14 AM (3lLli)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wilde Wrepublican Wench at January 10, 2013 11:15 AM (0pme7)
>>What's the word for doing this, but then realizing five minutes into the babbling that there is actually a point to it
DOOOOOM.
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2013 11:16 AM (SUKHu)
>>But I find I've seen a lot less of him since I told him to go fuck himself.
I giggled way too much at that.
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2013 11:17 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 10, 2013 11:18 AM (UgFxe)
Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 03:08 PM (LCRYB)
Wool-gathering, as in, 'Oh, I'm sorry, excuse me, I was wool-gathering. You were saying?'
It's a great word. It implies that your mind was busily at work but not focused on the discussion at hand.
Posted by: troyriser at January 10, 2013 11:19 AM (vtiE6)
Y'all can send your mothers who organize and clean over to my house any day.
Don't care if I can't find anything ever again. I probably won't miss most of it.
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2013 11:21 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at January 10, 2013 11:22 AM (b+8h9)
So far, all I have is justifiable homicide, but, that is two words.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wilde Wrepublican Wench at January 10, 2013 03:15 PM (0pme7)
spouse.
Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 11:22 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 10, 2013 11:25 AM (evdj2)
Don't care if I can't find anything ever again. I probably won't miss most of it.
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2013 03:21 PM (SUKHu)
haha my mother wouldn't actually Clean my house, she would 'suggest' what i might work on.
Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 11:25 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at January 10, 2013 11:25 AM (b+8h9)
Posted by: Average Joe at January 10, 2013 11:26 AM (1CULz)
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at January 10, 2013 11:28 AM (b+8h9)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 10, 2013 11:37 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: nx99 at January 10, 2013 11:43 AM (ht8D4)
Don't think karma quite captures it. Karma involves some sort of universal accounting system where your actions get you what you deserve.
Guanxi literally means relationships. A friendship is under guanxi, but is certainly not karma. Connections, influence, goodwill, those are words that better map its meaning.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 10, 2013 11:46 AM (IrbU4)
Posted by: Cackfinger at January 10, 2013 11:55 AM (CCHli)
I'm surprised the Moron Horde went this far (almost 300 posts) before someone mentioned this one
4 Bakku-shan (Japanese): A beautiful girlÂ… as long as sheÂ’s being viewed from behind
I think it's close to "butterface"
Posted by: RightWingProf at January 10, 2013 11:59 AM (IC6Er)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 10, 2013 12:01 PM (hLRSq)
No shit...my parents were visiting and of course, Mom 'tidied up my kitchen'. Of course, it took me twenty minutes to find the fucking salt. I am really sick of friends and family 'helping' me when not asked. Today, this neighbor of mine asked if I wanted anything from Costco since she was going. I said sure, thanks, I could use x, y and z. No timeline indicated. Was napping and heard and ignored the phone. Dog started barking so I got up and said neighbor threw all the stuff on the front porch and started screaming at me about helping her unload the groceries. I was still groggy while I took the stuff in the house, but managed a 'thanks, same to you' without looking at her as she stomped off. Bitch.
Posted by: model_1066 at January 10, 2013 12:16 PM (7xPCu)
Tenured
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit S.O.B. at January 10, 2013 12:19 PM (erlzv)
Posted by: MTF at January 10, 2013 12:22 PM (+GpbP)
The English word for that? Politics - at least, politics Chicago-style. Edward C. Banfield's book "Political Influence" uses cases studies in Chicago politics to describe how political influence, or "clout", is a commodity that can be accumulated, measured, and redeemed.
In fact, "The Lisle Letters", which describe politics in the England of Henry VIII, people are continually giving gifts and otherwise doing favors for each other, in the hope of getting a share of the booty. Much like the Obama administration, actually - minus the beheadings (so far, at least).
Posted by: Brown Line at January 10, 2013 12:52 PM (VrNoa)
Posted by: Beorn at January 10, 2013 12:58 PM (dGF4J)
"Arigata-meiwaku"
No here is truly a good example.
I returned from college to find that a parent had done me a "favor"(without asking) by taking my cheapo road bike to the local bike shop to have it tuned up/spruced up with the intension of surprising me with it on my return. Of course, they didn't have a proper discussion with the bike shop on the work to be performed and its cost, and refused to pay the bill. I returned home to have it explained to me that my bike was being held by the bike shop till the bill (more than the bike was worth) was paid by me.
Arigata-meiwaku!
Posted by: Prindle at January 10, 2013 01:42 PM (2Ynt1)
I may have slightly re-defined "arigata-meiwaku" a little for my purposes. Maybe his current fiance, future ex-wife #4, can use it.
Posted by: Mayday at January 10, 2013 01:48 PM (F3s39)
Posted by: notthatGreg at January 10, 2013 05:21 PM (norkA)
Backpfeifengesicht (German)-Seems useful but I think maybe spelling it out in words is even better: "A face badly in need of a fist." Not sure I want to cut that down into a one-word thing.
Depends how often you need to use it. If you used it alot, like the Germans maybe did once-upon-a-time, you'd see the utility of having just one word.
Posted by: Speller at January 10, 2013 09:08 PM (J74Py)
It's probably not 1 word persay. Germans have a habit of trying to smush their entire language into 1 giant compound uberword.
Posted by: Entropy at January 11, 2013 06:48 AM (TULs6)
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