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December 17, 2013

You're Not Going to Believe This, But TourÃ© Embarrassed Himself
— Ace

After airing a package report from NBC News White House reporter Kristen Welker, TourÃ© thanked her but noted she did not go far enough. Â“Santa Claus is black. He just is,Â” the MSNBC host mock-insisted.
Â“I, for one, am glad Santa is black because I donÂ’t want my kids worshipping some white dude who flies in to give them stuff,Â” TourÃ© continued. Â“Thinking a benevolent white man gives them stuff every year is good training for a life on welfare.Â”
He added that he is not surprised by the resistance to the notion that a powerful figure like Santa could be black.
Â“The insistence heÂ’s not black and canÂ’t be black strikes me as an attempt to perpetuate white supremacy and to posit that whiteness is somehow normal and central while blackness is other or different,Â” TourÃ© continued. He insisted that Â“race is fictionalÂ” and, as a social construct, it bears little bearing on day-to-day life.
Â“You do know, there is already a generous, benevolent black man in your childrenÂ’s lives who lives in a place that is magical, who has given something to each and every American, whether they have been naughty or nice,Â” the MSNBC host concluded. Â“You know who IÂ’m talking about?Â”

Obama, he meant, which he made clear when he played a video of an Obama impersonator touting Obamacare.

Meanwhile, Megyn Kelly defended herself on the #SlatePitch nontroversy issue.

She had said "Santa is white" in a previous show, and of course all the people you'd expect to splutter in outrage spluttered in outrage.

She has a question for the racialist left, though.

Also in the news tonight, is Santa Claus real and what does he look like? Hide the kids, mom and dad. Spoiler alert. Apparently we ignited quite a controversy the other night in a segment about an essay that argues Santa should no longer be portrayed as a white man. The African-American author of the piece, Aisha Harris, was upset about the commercial depiction of Santa Claus as white and argued that a, quote, "Fat old white man who is, quote, melanin deficient, made her feel ashamed as a child." Thus necessitating an image makeover.
And kicking off the light-hearted segment I offered a tongue in cheek message for any kids watching saying that Santa, who I joked is a real person whose race is identifiable, is white just as Harris claimed in her piece but that we were debating whether that should somehow change.
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KELLY: But that, too, has brought a lot of, you know, feelings out by a lot of our viewers saying, look, you know, historically, all those pieces I referenced, all those pieces Ms. Harris referenced showed a black Santa. And some people are taking issue with her suggestion that the mere color of his skin in these portrayals as white is somehow alienating to black children or, as she put it, causes shame in them.
[ZERLINA] MAXWELL: It is alienating to black children.
KELLY: Why is it skin alienating and why is that not racist?

This is the simple truth of it. What's going on here is simple: yes, black kids are kind of put off by a Santa Who Doesn't Look Like Them. It's only natural.

But if a white person says "Well I want Santa to be the way I always imagined him (and most painters, etc., have always depicted him), looking like me," that's racist.

Why? Why the difference? Why is it natural and understandable that Aisha Harris (writer of the original stupid Slate article) should be alienated by a white-skinned Santa and prefer a black one, and yet it's racist that whites might prefer it the other way around?

There seems to be an awful lot of words being wasted on this as people strain to not state the simple, obvious truth of it.

There also seems to be a strange notion at work in these arguments. Whites in the majority will tend to argue, or at least implicitly support the idea, that the majority should win in these arguments.

The left doesn't agree with this. Fair enough. But they seem to take an indefensible position: the majority should not win, ever. The majority should always be frustrated in its desires, simply because it is the majority, and the majority must lose.

I don't see the sense of that proposition at all. Just in terms of simple utilitarianism, it fails.

Posted by: Ace at 02:59 PM | Comments (205)
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1 Thinking a benevolent white man gives them stuff every year is good training for a life on welfare.Â¡Â± Pot, meet kettle.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2013 03:01 PM (qc7at)

2 the hell you say, impossible

Posted by: oc joe at December 17, 2013 03:01 PM (hqVUe)

Snow is racist too.

We must make all snow black now!

Posted by: wheatie at December 17, 2013 03:03 PM (5Nhsl)

4 But if a white person says "Well I want Santa to be the way I always imagined him (and most painters, etc., have always depicted him), looking like me," that's racist. Because whenever you hear Kris Kringle, that is supposed to make you think Tyrone.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2013 03:04 PM (qc7at)

5 The simple, obvious truth is that people prefer other people who look, act, and talk like themselves. They always have and always will. This is a celebrated fact of life for everyone in the world except for one group ... white people.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 17, 2013 03:05 PM (ZPrif)

6 "White people are racist" is not the *argument*. It's the *precept*. The argument is the semi-intellectual but more emotional flailing to attempt to prove it, largely to people who share the precept and don't actually care about the content of the argument. In other words, the belief is a tribal identifier and the accusation is affirmation of tribal identity in the tribe we call "leftists."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at December 17, 2013 03:06 PM (qyfb5)

7 That "dumb white people" post from earlier today makes me wanna reconsider my options.

Posted by: White Santa at December 17, 2013 03:06 PM (LDsJ6)

8 We must make all snow black now! Posted by: wheatie at December 17, 2013 07:03 PM No Problem....

Posted by: Chicago at December 17, 2013 03:06 PM (MhA4j)

9 Santa is not real, so I have no prob adapting him for different cultures. But his original incarnation for advertising was a jolly white man; to pretend it is not is idiocy. In another word, Toure.

Posted by: LizLem, who has Love for Mia at December 17, 2013 03:07 PM (BF+2f)

10 Santa Claus is basically Odin anyway. Who was white. Almost everything about Christmas was an attempt to convert the Germanic tribes to the North. It worked.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 17, 2013 03:07 PM (ZPrif)

What about...'Multiculturalism'?

Santa Claus is a part of white, northern-hemisphere culture.

According to the purveyors of Multiculturalism...all cultures are important and have value.

Posted by: wheatie at December 17, 2013 03:07 PM (5Nhsl)

12 Toure wants to tell us about the black man who gave something to "all Americans"? That's funny- I'm a 35 year old man whom he gave a cancellation notice and maternity care while raiding my wallet. If that's how Black Santa operates, he should be on notice that there are multiple firearms in my home, and it will be defended from his scourge.

Posted by: fringe at December 17, 2013 03:08 PM (oWl4T)

13 Tap, tap, wiggle three fingers, homecoming-parade wave slowly from right to left, quickly from left to right, two fingers touch the lips twice, wavy hand horizontally to the left shoulder, two fingers bunny hopping, international sign for jerking off. /fake sign language guy translates TourÃ©, oddly makes sense

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 17, 2013 03:08 PM (N/Sup)

14 Santa Claus is a Germanic tradition based on Fourth Century Saint Nicholas who looks fairly white in paintings. But ultimately Santa is, in fact, a polar bear. So white. Google it!

Posted by: Beagle at December 17, 2013 03:08 PM (sOtz/)

15 I view this as another bit of pre-emptive background training of the majority, who must be constantly reminded that they are at heart just plain wrong about virtually everything and need their masters to guide them through life!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 17, 2013 03:08 PM (o3MSL)

16 Mayor Mia Love is on the radio right now, giving her reaction to Matheson's exit!

http://www.iheart.com/live/2389/?autoplay=true

Posted by: LizLem, who has Love for Mia at December 17, 2013 03:08 PM (BF+2f)

17
Santa Claus is actually a Mexican from South LA who drives a low rider and tokes big blunts. Ole Santa!

Posted by: Cheech and Chong at December 17, 2013 03:08 PM (pJF+c)

18 I have irrefutable evidence that for my kids Santa was a White man. Anyone want to see my Drivers License Photo?

Posted by: The Hickster at December 17, 2013 03:08 PM (TI3xG)

19 So the reality-based community believes in Santa Claus? What color are all the unicorns?

Posted by: t-bird at December 17, 2013 03:09 PM (FcR7P)

20 I'm shocked that the Touredor has kids. He always struck me as teh ghey.

Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 17, 2013 03:09 PM (h4eud)

21 3 Snow is racist too. We must make all snow black now! Posted by: wheatie at December 17, 2013 07:03 PM (5Nhsl) Just don't eat the yellow snow.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 17, 2013 03:09 PM (UAMVq)

Â“I, for one, am glad Santa is black because I donÂ’t want my kids worshipping some white dude who flies in to give them stuff,Â” TourÃ© continued.

"I prefer they learn true life lessons after being held up at gunpoint for chocolate chip cookies and milk." he continued.

Posted by: wth at December 17, 2013 03:10 PM (wAQA5)

23 I suspect the person who started this whole kerfuffle had insecurities about herself she transplanted over to racial identity. I can't name a single person in my extended family who would deliberately go to a mall to see a black santa or white santa. ITS A FUCKING FICTIONAL CHARACTER THAT IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT BENEVOLENCE AND THE GREATNESS OF GIVING. Holy shit there aren't enough fucks for me to say I don't give about what a fictional character's nationality is. He could be fucking Persian for all I care. Want to whine about the modern depiction of an obese white guy in a red suit? Yell at Coca Cola. Note we aren't debating his ability to apparently travel faster than light, fit down chimneys when most houses don't have them, have a bizarre affinity for cookies, or that his fat ass can be hauled around at said faster-than-light-speed by a heard of gravity-defying overrated deer. No, let's focus on something as completely arbitrary as the fictional character's skin color, and yell even more at each other. Please make it stop.

Posted by: CAC at December 17, 2013 03:10 PM (yPzNV)

24 The Muslim Santa also has red robes. ...and a scimitar.

Posted by: t-bird at December 17, 2013 03:11 PM (FcR7P)

25 Â“Santa Claus is black. He just is,Â” Instead of giving you presents, he plays the knockout game.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 17, 2013 03:11 PM (UAMVq)

26 We live in some seriously weird times.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 17, 2013 03:11 PM (vX2Du)

27 So now Barak f'n Obama, the f'n president of the United States is now Santa Claus. I'd call Toure an f'n idiot. But F'n Idiots of America would f'n complain.

Posted by: Northernlurker, moron wannabe at December 17, 2013 03:11 PM (+dA48)

28 Rehabilitate my legacy, dearest Nebbly! Hee hee!

Posted by: Michael Jackson at December 17, 2013 03:11 PM (R6JT1)

Pancho Clause and his old lady live over in the projects, man.

Posted by: Cheech and Chong at December 17, 2013 03:11 PM (BAS5M)

30 Reading Santa's wiki. You will note, prominently mentioned in the wiki, is the note he was born in Tanzania while the Germans ran it, and was taken to Germany as man servant, forced to fly around with smelly reindeer. http://tinyurl.com/hkpjr

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 17, 2013 03:12 PM (0FSuD)

31 All I got was the shaft from the main black man Toure is bragging about

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 17, 2013 03:13 PM (HVff2)

32 This is rather reminiscent of the scene in 1984 where OÂ’Brien is demanding that Winston count only as many fingers as the party tells him... OÂ’Brien held up his left hand, its back toward Winston, with the thumb hidden and the four fingers extended. Â“How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?Â” Â“Four.Â” Â“And if the Party says that it is not four but fiveÂ—then how many?Â” Just replace fingers with the skin color of Santa...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 17, 2013 03:13 PM (M3hAT)

33 22 Â“I, for one, am glad Santa is black because I donÂ’t want my kids worshipping some white dude who flies in to give them stuff,Â” TourÃ© continued. If your kids are worshiping Santa, you have some serious problems, WHICH are YOUR FAULT.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 17, 2013 03:13 PM (0FSuD)

Even the name Santa Clause is raacist.

It should be Shizzle Cuz.

Posted by: meh at December 17, 2013 03:14 PM (W2qJe)

35 ... overrated deer. ***** That hurts. It really hurts.

Posted by: Bambi at December 17, 2013 03:14 PM (N/Sup)

36 I donÂ’t know who youÂ’re talking about, this Toure guy and I donÂ’t care. MSNBC should be destroyed.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2013 03:14 PM (z4WKX)

37
Then shouldn't white folks have a more inclusive image of Martin Luther King for his holiday?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2013 03:14 PM (kdS6q)

Does it not matter that Santa Claus originated in NORTHERN EUROPE??? It's not like Megan Kelly is trying to appropriate some character from sub-Saharan mythology.

Posted by: buzz at December 17, 2013 03:14 PM (i27M5)

39 I thought this whole Black Santa thing was about changing the subject and distracting low info voters from Obama making an ass of himself at Mandela's funeral.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at December 17, 2013 03:14 PM (azHfB)

40 Â“I, for one, am glad Santa is black because I donÂ’t want my kids worshipping some white dude who flies in to give them stuff,Â” TourÃ© continued.

***

He just described the DNC platform for the last several decades...

Posted by: B at December 17, 2013 03:14 PM (6iEQd)

41 Actually the problem isn't that this is race-baiting. The problem is the unspoken assumption that white men are evil.

Posted by: Caliban at December 17, 2013 03:14 PM (DrC22)

42 I am paraphrasing, but Mia is stressing in her radio interview she was never running against Matheson but FOR the people, for her kids, has everything to do with solving the problems of Washington, living within their means fiscally. Is about restoring the American dream back to this country; wants the chance to make her case, hope people of Utah give her a chance. She respects Matheson and wishes him the best.

80% of her funding last time was small donations, $25 or so. To get as close as she did before, against a political juggernaut, with no name recognition was impressive.

Posted by: LizLem, who has Love for Mia at December 17, 2013 03:14 PM (BF+2f)

43 Santa is a scandi ginger.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 17, 2013 03:14 PM (BAS5M)

44 Black Santa left white powder in my stocking! Well, he left some. Ooh, a DVD of speeches!

Posted by: t-bird at December 17, 2013 03:14 PM (FcR7P)

45 It is an assumed and, in fact, celebrated part of life that the average person will take preferential pride in his kith and kin and prefer them above others and try to help them before others. We celebrate Black Engineer mentor groups and Asian American Pride and La Raza. Whites in America are allowed ethnic pride when it's limited to the "old country", Irish, Italian, Norwegian, etc. But the average white person in America is a euro-mutt and feels increasingly stupid being Mr. Irish or whatever when they are maybe 25% Irish and aren't even exactly sure what else they are -- maybe German-Finnish-Italian-Polish? Maybe? And the old country nations, which once were ethnic nation-states, increasingly are not anymore. They are cosmopolitan mixing bowls of the world. Ethnic pride is normal and natural all across the world. The borders of Europe are praised for being "natural". While the borders in Africa and the Middle East are disdained as "unnatural" lines drawn on a map by out of touch white men.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 17, 2013 03:14 PM (ZPrif)

46 I thought we had agreed to only call this mewling quim by his full name: TourÃ© Niblett.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 17, 2013 03:15 PM (eQJwb)

47 That idiot does know that when PJ O'Rourke said the Dems were like Santa, that was an insult, right?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at December 17, 2013 03:15 PM (Gk3SS)

48 Does it not matter that Santa Claus originated in NORTHERN EUROPE??? It's not like Megan Kelly is trying to appropriate some character from sub-Saharan mythology.

Posted by: buzz at December 17, 2013 07:14 PM (i27M5)

All mythology and science originated in the African continent and has been stolen and misrepresented by the white man for centuries!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 17, 2013 03:16 PM (o3MSL)

49 Saint Nicholas didn't just hand out presents, he also punched heretics in the mouth. Maybe Toure is confused and thinks that was an early version of the knockout game?

Posted by: Adrian at December 17, 2013 03:16 PM (reE0y)

50 >>>The simple, obvious truth is that people prefer other people who look, act, and talk like themselves. They always have and always will. Not when it comes to the sex. Then we want some long time love, and some jungle fever, and IDF nude cosplay, etc. etc

Posted by: Eton Cox at December 17, 2013 03:16 PM (q177U)

51 ...and what is Santa paying those elves, anyway? Do they have access to birth control?

Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2013 03:16 PM (ZcLG5)

52 Nip Sip - I've commented a couple of times that Pete Kalviner devoted the first 30 minutes of his broadcast on WWNC to Gabe's morning post. Of course, WBT fired him. Don't know what that was about, but we out here are lucky to have him. I rather doubt that you are interested, but he interviewed Rucho yesterday. Here's audio: http://tinyurl.com/nrneaxj

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 17, 2013 03:16 PM (aDwsi)

53 I don't get the kerfuffle -- Toure's correct. " I donÂ’t want my kids worshipping some white dude who flies in to give them stuff,Â” [Sen. Moynihan] continued. Â“Thinking a benevolent white man gives them stuff every year is good training for a life on welfare.Â” That's classic DPM and he was flat-out correct.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 17, 2013 03:17 PM (C0/Ml)

54 Notice that we aren't talking about Jesus being "white" any more.

It seems that this discussion was resolved when somebody noticed that God's Messenger, all praises be upon him, Muhammad wrote in the Quran that Jesus was "white."

I'm sure that if God's Messenger, all praises be upon him, Muhammad had written that Santa Claus is "white" that this discussion would be over too.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at December 17, 2013 03:17 PM (e8kgV)

55 Â“I, for one, am glad Santa is black because I donÂ’t want my kids worshipping some white dude who flies in to give them stuff,Â”

I'm always gobsmacked by this because this guy makes my gaydar go off like a geiger counter at Trinity.

Posted by: toby928© from the Phantom Zone at December 17, 2013 03:17 PM (evdj2)

56 So get this, the Easter Bunny is white, too!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 17, 2013 03:17 PM (BAS5M)

57 No matter Santas color any child taught to worship him is being brought up by someone that doesn't understand what CHRISTmas is a celebration of.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 17, 2013 03:17 PM (TI3xG)

58 Â“Thinking a benevolent white man gives them stuff every year is good training for a life on welfare.Â” Thinking a black man gives them stuff is graduation day! Here's your diploma of food-stamps!

Posted by: t-bird at December 17, 2013 03:18 PM (FcR7P)

59 Everybody is wrong.

Santa is clearly an undocumented worker.

Posted by: Mexican Santa Clause at December 17, 2013 03:18 PM (rCS6C)

60 BTW, impressed to see the word "posit" in Toure's disquisition. Quite the philosopher!

Posted by: Caliban at December 17, 2013 03:18 PM (DrC22)

61 I'm actually glad that the concept of Santa can be extended so there are white Santas and black Santas and Chinese Santas. The historical and mythical roots are clearly of a white man, though. If Christianity had built Christmas upon an appropriation of a Navajo trickster god then Santa would be Amerindian. Or a wolf.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 17, 2013 03:18 PM (ZPrif)

62 IÂ’m sorry if this has already been covered. I was working from home most of today. McCain called senators that vote against the new budget lackng intellectual integrity! I did not watch the video of him. ItÂ’s snowing pretty hard here in MA.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2013 03:19 PM (z4WKX)

63
He could be fucking Persian for all I care.
Posted by: CAC

Santa can't be Persian.

1. He doesn't drive a white Mercedes

2. He isn't driving said car backwards up the 10 because he missed his off-ramp*

*Saw this near Westwood. Lord as my witness, I saw this.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2013 03:19 PM (kdS6q)

64 Check the wiki on the fat old elf. St. Nicholas was from Asia Minor. IIRC

Posted by: TheThinMan at December 17, 2013 03:19 PM (Xvx1q)

65 So if Santa is black, does that mean the elves are Pygmies?

Posted by: wth at December 17, 2013 03:19 PM (wAQA5)

66 This post makes me want to watch the Curb episode where larry gets a racist dog.

Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2013 03:20 PM (ZcLG5)

67 ☺☻

Take you pick, I don't care. Now am I a racist because I put white Santa first?

Posted by: GMB at December 17, 2013 03:20 PM (nkPV9)

68 Santa is a black man, but the white kids got all the good stuff because he was a slave. You owe us reparations.

Posted by: The Inner Al Sharpton at December 17, 2013 03:20 PM (TLtXp)

69 Persian? Cologne and open flames don't mix.

Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2013 03:20 PM (ZcLG5)

70 Vote Obama! He gave me a free phone. Obamaphooooooooooooooone!!!

Posted by: ObamaPhone Lady at December 17, 2013 03:21 PM (ruxvM)

71 Santa practices elf-abuse. (Might explain the fur lined everything and the poor eyesight.)

Posted by: Elves Local #4465 at December 17, 2013 03:21 PM (N/Sup)

72 But didn't Toure de Asshole claim that Jesus and Santa Claus were not white.

If God's Messenger, all praises be upon him, Muhammad made Toure de Asshole look like a complete imbecile in regard to the Prophet Jesus, the odds are that Toure de Asshole is wrong about Santa too.

Posted by: Francis Gary Powers at December 17, 2013 03:21 PM (e8kgV)

73 54 Notice that we aren't talking about Jesus being "white" any more.
It seems that this discussion was resolved when somebody noticed that God's Messenger, all praises be upon him, Muhammad wrote in the Quran that Jesus was "white."I'm sure that if God's Messenger, all praises be upon him, Muhammad had written that Santa Claus is "white" that this discussion would be over too. Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at December 17, 2013 07:17 PM (e8kgV)

In Avenue Q two characters get into a fight about whether Jesus was black, or white. A third character butts in and is like "Um, guys...Jesus...was JEWISH." The other two just bust up laughing at him like he is a crazy idiot. Great, now I'm gonna have "Everyone's a Little Bit Racist" in my head the rest of the night. Darn catchy, that song is...

Posted by: LizLem, who has Love for Mia at December 17, 2013 03:21 PM (BF+2f)

74 Actually, when it comes to mating most people mate in-group. Women show a stronger preference for shared ethnicity in their mate than men do, but the vast majority of both men and women marry in-group.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 17, 2013 03:21 PM (ZPrif)

75 If Christianity had built Christmas upon an appropriation of a Navajo trickster god then Santa would be Amerindian. Or a wolf. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 17, 2013 07:18 PM (ZPrif)

Now I have the image of Loki (Tom Hiddleston version) wearing a Santa hat in my head. This is as hilarious as you think it is.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at December 17, 2013 03:22 PM (Gk3SS)

76
Well fuck. Hollywood is going to do it.

Gilligan's Island: The Movie.

Y'all pardon me, I'm off to swallow rusty razor blades, just so I can puke them up again.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at December 17, 2013 03:22 PM (0IhFx)

77 >> Â“race is fictionalÂ” >>"I donÂ’t want my kids worshipping some white dude" >>"I'm too stupid to remember my last name."

Posted by: Stuff Toure Said at December 17, 2013 03:22 PM (SUKHu)

78 it's called appropriation and apparently it's bad if white people do it. Here's an idea. Come up with something that people want to emulate and then take pride in that.

Posted by: oejay44cday at December 17, 2013 03:23 PM (3RFv9)

79 Santa is based on St Nicholas of Smyrna. I am pretty sure that Smyrna is on the coast of Turkey. He was a bishop and punched the lead heretic in the puss. So, I'm guessing he is sorta a white Turk. You know, like that other fella who is a white mexican...

Posted by: Havildar-Major at December 17, 2013 03:23 PM (kduZC)

80 Black Night before Christmas, old. http://tinyurl.com/nscuh8u

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 17, 2013 03:24 PM (0FSuD)

81 >>You do know, there is already a generous, benevolent black man in your childrenÂ’s lives who lives in a place that is magical, who has given something to each and every American, whether they have been naughty or nice. ____ I never thought of myself as Santa. Always thought more along the lines of Jesus. Anyway, I don't look good in red.

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 17, 2013 03:24 PM (DrC22)

82 it's called appropriation and apparently it's bad if white people do it. Whooooo!

Posted by: Little Richard at December 17, 2013 03:24 PM (ZcLG5)

83 Â“You do know, there is already a generous, benevolent black man in your childrenÂ’s lives who lives in a place that is magical, who has given something to each and every American, whether they have been naughty or nice,-----

-----yes massive debt .

anyhoo,
everything becomes ridiculous.
i think santa is a patriarchal symbol like a father bribing us and holding us down with the hopes! of goodies and wrecking our minds with thoughts of having to be nice! I mean what IS good or nice anyway?
i think his spouse ( a woman) is Likely the Real nurturer and likely the Real person worker breaking her nails to make all the toys for tots . I mean why doesn't she get to ride on the sleigh anyway?

so there.

Posted by: willow at December 17, 2013 03:24 PM (nqBYe)

84 Father Christmas, give us your money We've got no time your silly toys. We'll beat you up, so hand them over...

Posted by: Kinks at December 17, 2013 03:24 PM (R6JT1)

85 St. Nick was Greek, I believe. Greeks are white. All of Asia Minor is Caucasian. There are differing cultural definitions of what counts as white, but sorting humans by DNA and using genetic distance shows obvious clusters that are ethnic groups. Race and ethnicity are real things. They can be detected with simple DNA tests. I could sort a roomful of strangers by ethnicity without seeing their pictures or names, just be taking a cheek swab and looking at their DNA.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 17, 2013 03:25 PM (ZPrif)

86 sometimes life seems like the actual parody.

Posted by: willow at December 17, 2013 03:25 PM (nqBYe)

87 Someone on Twitter asked if we could at least agree that Frosty the Snowman was white. Since I didn't know him (and therefore was afraid he might believe me*), I didn't start yelling about why snow had to be labeled as solely MALE when it might want to explore various gender roles before melting due to global warming. (* Y'all know me better than that)

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 17, 2013 03:26 PM (SUKHu)

88 I wonder how sales of Toure's book are doing?

Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2013 03:26 PM (ZcLG5)

89 Never listen to anyone named Neblett.

Posted by: The Jackhole at December 17, 2013 03:26 PM (nTgAI)

90 Why can't Santa be a woman?

Posted by: Hillary! at December 17, 2013 03:27 PM (DrC22)

91 We demand podiatry coverage in the new collective bargaining agreement. Those curly toed shoes are murder.

Posted by: Elves Local #4465 at December 17, 2013 03:27 PM (N/Sup)

92 Get Kwanza Claus on this shit. He was St. Nicholas, a Greek who lived in Turkey in the 4th c. We see him as Washington Irving conceived of him through Dutch colonial influences. The Swedes celebrate St. Lucia. There's someone for the Portuguese. In Italy, it's an old hag. Lighten the fuck up.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 17, 2013 03:27 PM (1YJrc)

93 For you morons not on Twitter, go take a look at this:

'This is getting insane': OFA's onesie-clad Obamacare spokesmodel inspires mockery http://bit.ly/1hZWYq2

Be sure to click on the first link. It begs for moron mockery.

Posted by: Retread at December 17, 2013 03:27 PM (cHwk5)

94 I denounce myself in advance. Santa is white because you can't mount spinner rims on a sleigh.

Posted by: Beagle at December 17, 2013 03:27 PM (sOtz/)

95 Supermassive assholes on Science channel right now!

Posted by: freaked at December 17, 2013 03:27 PM (MAdwI)

96 Here's a simple genetic distance map of human ethnic groups. http://tinyurl.com/lo3jhez There's been tons of research published in recent years teasing this family tree of humanity.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 17, 2013 03:28 PM (ZPrif)

97 Well what color were most Greeks in the fourth century? You know since Saint Nicholas was a Greek and he is the basis for Santa Claus.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 17, 2013 03:28 PM (aGbd1)

98
Santa is based on St Nicholas of Smyrna. I am pretty sure that Smyrna is on the coast of Turkey. So, I'm guessing he is sorta a white Turk.
Posted by: Havildar-Major

Hellenistic city. Wouldn't have really Turks as such until the fall of the Byzantines.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2013 03:28 PM (kdS6q)

I donÂ’t want my kids worshipping some white dude who flies in to give them stuff,Â” TourÃ© continued. Â“

At least the stuff arrives before New Years.

Posted by: wth at December 17, 2013 03:28 PM (wAQA5)

100 Know who else is white, lefties?

Brad Pitt

Get over it

Posted by: kbdabear at December 17, 2013 03:29 PM (aTXUx)

101 Is this that "national discussion of race" that Eric Holder wanted us to have? Arguing about Santa Claus? Makes about as much sense as anything.

Posted by: rickl at December 17, 2013 03:29 PM (sdi6R)

102 Oops sorry that's supermassive black holes. Sorry. In Toure's case though either would apply.

Posted by: freaked at December 17, 2013 03:29 PM (MAdwI)

103 If they want a multi ethnic Santa just use the men and women in uniform that bring toys to little kids whose parents need Santas help every Christmas. The Marines!
http://toysfortots.org/

Posted by: The Hickster at December 17, 2013 03:29 PM (TI3xG)

104 St. Nick is the patron saint of sailors. Now I grew up sailing, out of the hundreds of others I've sailed with or against, I can recall a grand total of one black guy. Pretty sure he wasn't Santa Claus.

Posted by: mugiwara at December 17, 2013 03:29 PM (hpYnL)

105 Seems MSNBC has went past the event horizon of dumbfuckery and is forever trapped in singularity of stupidity.

Posted by: YIKES! at December 17, 2013 03:30 PM (mETGQ)

106

Â“Thinking a benevolent white man gives them stuff every year is good training for a life on welfare.Â”

And to vote 90% Democrat!

Posted by: LBJ at December 17, 2013 03:30 PM (HgfyP)

107 90 Why can't Santa be a woman?

Posted by: Hillary! at December 17, 2013 07:27 PM (DrC22)

Spend too much time Xmas eve asking for directions.

Posted by: wth at December 17, 2013 03:31 PM (wAQA5)

108 So get this, the Easter Bunny is white, too!

And the Tooth Fairy is ghey, so there's something for everybody!

Posted by: Basement Cat at December 17, 2013 03:31 PM (53cD3)

109 Great. Now I don't know if I should leave out cookies and milk or skittles and iced tea.

Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2013 03:31 PM (ZcLG5)

110 Re: Obama tweet of hipster douche in pjs - What does Rush call dudes like that,the "new castrati?" Yep.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2013 03:31 PM (ruxvM)

111 And you know what, I don't give a fuck what color he is, because it's a concept. I'd be thrilled to see any Santa, black white yellow red purple ( gay) or whatnot. But you see the Salvation Army out, no costumes, no instruments, playing dumb music on a boom box and ringing the fuck out of that bell. The only people you see in Santa costumes are the asshole drunk pissing on your doorstep or barfing on the sidewalk.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 17, 2013 03:31 PM (1YJrc)

112 Santa Claus is white. What black man in his right mind would live at the North Pole?

Posted by: Zoltan at December 17, 2013 03:31 PM (RXos3)

113 Here's a more detailed genetic distance map of human ethnic/racial groups. http://tinyurl.com/kll4ue6

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 17, 2013 03:32 PM (ZPrif)

114 anyway back out to finish the dishes.

Posted by: willow at December 17, 2013 03:32 PM (nqBYe)

115 that's the thing, no white person's like please make Little Richard white. You gotta love the "all rock and roll is based on some form of black music that everyone knew about but apparently never actually listened to" revisionist history.

Posted by: oejay44cday at December 17, 2013 03:32 PM (3RFv9)

116 You know, Christians all over the world and throughout history have painted images of Christ, Mary and the saints. Know who these paintings always look like? Their neighbors. Chinese Christ, Indian Christ, African Christ. This is absolutely *fine* for the Son of God. But Santa? He's a straight-up Cracker, and there's no denying it.

Posted by: Pious Agnostic at December 17, 2013 03:32 PM (5xqg/)

117 Polar Bears have black skin,their transparent hair follicles make them appear white.Self hating racist bears.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2013 03:32 PM (zqvg6)

118 What seems to be the real problem here is that anytime anyone feels "uncomfortable" they get to change things and have their way.

Santa has a traditional image that goes back a long ways. Should we change Hercules image because some Indian kid feels uncomfortable with his original depiction. Their both fictional so who gives a shit, right?

Having a white Santa doesn't mean that a black father who wants to do something special for his kids, or mall Santa in Chinatown can't portray the jolly old elf. They can. The kids will understand. Just like with all the shitty white versions of Kringle out there -- it's not really the real Santa, but a helper because the real one can't be everywhere all the time or whatever bs.

But this disease, where every special snowflake has to have their every insecurity coddled, needs to be eradicated. And all these huckster enablers, who are the real ones ruining these kids' Christmases, need to shut the fuck up, and go away.

Posted by: just some hater at December 17, 2013 03:33 PM (LDsJ6)

119 109' That's fucking funny right there.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 17, 2013 03:33 PM (1YJrc)

120 Race is fictional, so Santa Claus should be a specific non-race of my choosing.

Posted by: Dr. Toure at December 17, 2013 03:33 PM (JVEmw)

121 @93 That is so fucking ghey, even Gabe wouldn't fire on it.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 17, 2013 03:33 PM (0FSuD)

122 Its like these cross burners don't want black Santa to have any RIGHTS! - OR the left will start a race war over anything.

Posted by: UWP at December 17, 2013 03:33 PM (2hQRj)

123 This controversy highlights that it is time for comprehensive immigration reform

Posted by: Typical RINO Consultant at December 17, 2013 03:34 PM (Pr6hk)

124 Turks are Caucasian, as are Greeks, Iranians, Arabs, etc, etc. All of Southwest Asia, and most of South Asia as well. Genetically speaking. If the term Caucasian bothers you , you can use whatever term you like. They all cluster together in DNA tests and genetic maps. Now if you zoom in then you see all the varities of Caucasians separate out. An ethnic group is just a very large extended family. They don't have clean borders. You can zoom in and out as much as you want. Down to the individual nuclear family, and up to all of humanity and see the split between humans and neanderthals.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 17, 2013 03:35 PM (ZPrif)

125 Hey there Kwanzaa Timmy, whatcha gonna give me?

Posted by: toby928© from the Phantom Zone at December 17, 2013 03:36 PM (evdj2)

126 i thought Santa was a pig. Terry Pratchett just lies alla time to me

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 17, 2013 03:36 PM (RLTt1)

127 My take: the black people who care about this bullshit have outed themselves.They are the ones who have internalized our alleged inferiority so deeply, that they cannot see the idiocy of arguing over the ownership of a fictional character (Santa Claus, not St. Nick).

Toure is exhibit A.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2013 03:36 PM (36Rjy)

128

Full Moon tonight...it's coming up right now.

The Moon is white.

So it's racist too!

Posted by: wheatie at December 17, 2013 03:36 PM (5Nhsl)

129 "... the majority should not win, ever. The majority should always be frustrated in its desires, simply because it is the majority, and the majority must lose." Unless, of course, the majority is Progressive and/or composed of all the correct victim groups.

Posted by: GhengisGopher at December 17, 2013 03:37 PM (qUZen)

130 Race and ethnicity are those magical fictional things that show up in blood tests. We can just call the genetic subpopulations if the words race or ethnicity bother people. Doesn't matter what we call them, they're still there. Reality is those things that don't go away, even if you don't believe in them.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 17, 2013 03:37 PM (ZPrif)

131

Blacks insisting that Santa's not white, or whatever fantasy they choose to believe or argue about, only showcases just how ingnorant they are. It's embarrassing to watch. And, Juan Williams, Jesus is not Asian, an Arab, or a Moor.

Like my sister said, "If they don't like the Santa story, they should go make up their own shit and leave us alone. What happened to Kwanza? Fucking ignorant fools."

Posted by: joanne at December 17, 2013 03:38 PM (s/quq)

132 >>>Someone on Twitter asked if we could at least agree that Frosty the Snowman was white.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 17, 2013 07:26 PM (SUKHu) <<<

My dog tries to make him Asian.

Posted by: just some hater at December 17, 2013 03:38 PM (LDsJ6)

133 "The majority must lose"...until the reliable supporters of The Party form an absolute majority. Then it's DEMOCRACY 4-EVAH!

Posted by: Rex Graine at December 17, 2013 03:38 PM (xm1Dn)

134 Then they should remake Shaft, again, with Justin Beiber as the lead.

Posted by: The mayor of Candor at December 17, 2013 03:38 PM (H4tO5)

135 I would like to imagine that Hitler is black, because that would make me feel better. But I think Hank William's Jr already imagined that...

Posted by: Brendan at December 17, 2013 03:38 PM (8YVZT)

136 Brother TourÃ©, can I at least get a shout out from a fellow brother.

Posted by: Krampus at December 17, 2013 03:39 PM (mETGQ)

137 87 Someone on Twitter asked if we could at least agree that Frosty the Snowman was white.

Since I didn't know him (and therefore was afraid he might believe me*), I didn't start yelling about why snow had to be labeled as solely MALE when it might want to explore various gender roles before melting due to global warming.

(* Y'all know me better than that)

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 17, 2013 07:26 PM (SUKHu)

I always disliked Frosty in the cartoon, for some reason I felt bad for the poor magician, just wanted his hat back. (Like Sheldon does, ha.) The kids annoyed me too. But now Toure is making me open my eyes...why should the white man get all the magic? Why not spread the wealth around! Magician was the 1%!!!

Posted by: LizLem, who has Love for Mia at December 17, 2013 03:39 PM (BF+2f)

138 Snow is racist only if I have to shovel it.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2013 03:40 PM (36Rjy)

139 128 Full Moon tonight...it's coming up right now. The Moon is white. So it's racist too! Posted by: wheatie at December 17, 2013 07:36 PM (5Nhsl) Shit, it was so bright last night, I thought the owls, in my back yard, were going to fuck themselves to death. They are very loud when the fuck, like my wife, ha ha.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 17, 2013 03:40 PM (0FSuD)

140 I'm gonna have "Everyone's a Little Bit Racist" in my head the rest of the night. Darn catchy, that song is... And the classic "The Internet is for Porn"!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 17, 2013 03:42 PM (UAMVq)

141 All of the Turks that I've known are white. Anyway, Santa Claus doesn't have anything to do with Turkey (unless that's what you're serving). The Santa Claus name and the legend are Dutch.

Posted by: Caliban at December 17, 2013 03:42 PM (DrC22)

142 Now you're going to tell me Krishna is blue.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 17, 2013 03:42 PM (T0NGe)

143 Here's a genetic map of Europe. Notice that the genetic distance map actually roughly maps out the actual geography of Europe. http://tinyurl.com/khgpsqg Because for most of human history we basically just fucked somebody born less than a mile or two from us. In the future we'll be able to tell what backwoods French hut your ancestors bonked in.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 17, 2013 03:42 PM (ZPrif)

144 Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2013 07:31 PM (ZcLG5)

I don't feel qualified enough to call thread winner, but you are the thread winner in my heart Garrett! *Hands out prize of a cardboard ampersand*

Posted by: LizLem, who has Love for Mia at December 17, 2013 03:43 PM (BF+2f)

145 Belsnickel uber alles.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 17, 2013 03:43 PM (ZshNr)

146

Everything has to be politicized and racialized to the Left. There can't be any neutral things that just are, to them. That's why they're the diseased ones, they can't let anything be.

Posted by: Cato at December 17, 2013 03:44 PM (i+Vw2)

147 I've come to the conclusion long time ago that everything in the universe will be racist for 15 minutes.

Posted by: YIKES! at December 17, 2013 03:44 PM (mETGQ)

148 127 (hi, baldilocks)

At least they aren't complaining about Hanukkah Harry (yet).

A light-hearted palate cleanser for all the Horde: "When Hanukkah Harry Met Santa at Wolff's Flea Market"-- enjoy!

http://tinyurl.com/mj7zn8j

As the video says at the end: "Rejoice with a Happy Heart"

Posted by: Basement Cat at December 17, 2013 03:45 PM (53cD3)

149 Promote Elf esteem.

Posted by: Elves Local #4465 at December 17, 2013 03:46 PM (N/Sup)

150 Haters. My ideal of Santa on Christmas Eve is female, 36-24-36, a bottle of lubricant or two, next to the fireplace in nothing but stockings.

Did I mention in my house? That would be a plus.

Posted by: Fritz at December 17, 2013 03:46 PM (TKFmG)

151 Here's an x-y genetic map of human population structure. http://tinyurl.com/lvsj9mz Obvious clusters pop out. They basically correlate to white, black, and asian. There is much more genetic continuity between whites and asians because they split off from the same parent group.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 17, 2013 03:46 PM (ZPrif)

152 Wasn't it just last week the left was lecturing us on Kary Perry "mis-appropriating" another race (ethnicity)'s culture? Like it or not, Santa Claus is white European and white American culture. Now leftist blacks want to steal our culture, and not only that, distort it to match their own likeness. Wouldn't that be like distorting black culture by depicting characters acting and retelling African folk-tales, but all in white-face? I can't relate to "12 Years a Slave" cuz the guy doesn't have my skin tones. I demand they remake that movie, and the Butler, with an all-white cast so I can relate and not be offended. Don't bother with The Color Purple, you can have that one. Hey Toure, you have Kwanzaa. I feel safe in saying white America will never try to coopt your private black holiday. Just let us have ours, and you can share ours if you like, just don't try to force us to remake it in your image.

Posted by: docweasel at December 17, 2013 03:46 PM (tVTtf)

153 >>Snow is racist only if I have to shovel it. It oppresses me in too many ways to count.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 17, 2013 03:47 PM (SUKHu)

154 I always disliked Frosty in the cartoon, for some reason I felt bad for the poor magician, just wanted his hat back. My rabbit betrayed me!

Posted by: Professor Hinkle[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 17, 2013 03:48 PM (gtjN1)

155 152 Wasn't it just last week the left was lecturing us on Kary Perry "mis-appropriating" another race (ethnicity)'s culture? Yes, because wearing a kimono is racist.

Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 17, 2013 03:48 PM (h4eud)

156 That Cupid kid has a blinding white tushy.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 17, 2013 03:49 PM (BAS5M)

157 Razib Khan and his blog Gene Expression are a good source for learning about human genetic groupings and the history of the species. He's Bangladeshi, I think.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 17, 2013 03:50 PM (ZPrif)

158 It oppresses me in too many ways to count.>>

It pressed me in a ditch last winter. And all those republicans did was drink slurpees and laugh.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 17, 2013 03:51 PM (TI3xG)

159 Hey, and while we're on the subject what's up with Jews making Hannakah so Jew-centric? Everything about the holiday is aimed at and centered on Jews and the Jewish religion. Totally discriminatory towards other religions and cultures. I think they should remake the entire holiday using bits of Christianity, Islam, Hindu, Buddism, Shintoism and etc. and revere Black Moses and a Japanese Abraham. It's only fair. I think Toure would agree.

Posted by: docweasel at December 17, 2013 03:52 PM (tVTtf)

160 "Black Santa?"

I thought they didn't want Santa, which is why they invented Kwanzaa. I guess Kwanzaa wasn't enough because everyone else ignores it. They gotta take over every thing. Black Santa. Black Jesus. Black Joe Namath.

Where will it end?

Posted by: MacGruber at December 17, 2013 03:53 PM (T0ohD)

161 93 For you morons not on Twitter, go take a look at this:

'This is getting insane': OFA's onesie-clad Obamacare spokesmodel inspires mockery http://bit.ly/1hZWYq2

Be sure to click on the first link. It begs for moron mockery. Posted by: Retread at December 17, 2013 07:27 PM (cHwk5

That's not a man, baby.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2013 03:54 PM (36Rjy)

162 It's only fair. I think Toure would agree.

Well he's an anti-semite, so of course.

Posted by: Number Nine at December 17, 2013 03:54 PM (2DunM)

163 i saw Black Santa open for Megadeath but i missed half the set cuz of the lines at the bathroom and all

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 17, 2013 03:57 PM (RLTt1)

164 'This is getting insane': OFA's onesie-clad Obamacare spokesmodel inspires mockery http://bit.ly/1hZWYq2

Wow, OFA found the one man in America who would probably lose a slap fight with Chris Hayes for that.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at December 17, 2013 03:57 PM (azHfB)

165

Posted by: docweasel at December 17, 2013 07:52 PM (tVTtf)

There are seven candles on the menorah, and seven letters in coexist, surely that can't be a coincidence!!!

Posted by: Idiot Lefty at December 17, 2013 03:59 PM (BF+2f)

166 "Black Santa?"
Where will it end?Posted by: MacGruber at December 17, 2013 07:53 PM (T0ohD)
Black Ronald McDonald?

Posted by: Steve Miller at December 17, 2013 04:00 PM (VpMO0)

167 How would Turine feel if someone called MLK white?

Posted by: basil at December 17, 2013 04:01 PM (xhCXk)

168 Hip Hip, Toure! It's a holly, jolly Christmas. ;^ http://tinyurl.com/p6sds88 The White House is indeed a "magical place" because they all believe if they clap loudly enough Obamacare will live.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2013 04:02 PM (BC6cY)

169 Now let me be clear, Santa is black, and this year he's going to cancel your health insurance, triple the premiums and deductible of your next policy, sic the IRS on you, run some guns to drug cartels, give nukes to Iran, raise your taxes, and steal what ever you have left. Ho oh oh, happy Ramadan.

Posted by: Barry Kingles Soetoro at December 17, 2013 04:03 PM (DNVgz)

170 141 All of the Turks that I've known are white. Anyway, Santa Claus doesn't have anything to do with Turkey (unless that's what you're serving). The Santa Claus name and the legend are Dutch. Posted by: Caliban at December 17, 2013 07:42 PM (DrC22) Except it does have to deal with turkey. Some elements originate with the Dutch. But it comes from their celebration of the feast day of Saint Nicholas who was a Greek born in turkey.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 17, 2013 04:04 PM (aGbd1)

171 Hey Toure, you have Kwanzaa. I feel safe in saying white America will never try to coopt your private black holiday. Just let us have ours, and you can share ours if you like, just don't try to force us to remake it in your image.

Posted by: docweasel at December 17, 2013 07:46 PM (tVTtf)

Kwanzaa is not a black holiday, but a Leftist holiday, created by a black Leftist to mine the soft spot that many of black Americans have for things *perceived to be* African. In reality, the creator of the holiday grabbed a bunch of of cultural items from several different cultures on the continent, and patented them. It would be like taking cultural totems from Japan, China, Korea, Philippines and Indonesia and calling it an Asian holiday.

I know of no one who celebrates it.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2013 04:05 PM (36Rjy)

172 The caucasians stole all the best mythical figures!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 17, 2013 04:05 PM (BAS5M)

173 153 >>Snow is racist only if I have to shovel it.

It oppresses me in too many ways to count.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 17, 2013 07:47 PM (SUKHu)

Solidarity!

Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2013 04:06 PM (36Rjy)

174 I thought they didn't want Santa, which is why they invented Kwanzaa. I guess Kwanzaa wasn't enough because everyone else ignores it. They gotta take over every thing. Black Santa. Black Jesus. Black Joe Namath.

Where will it end?

Posted by: MacGruber at December 17, 2013 07:53 PM (T0ohD)

Who is they, Kemosabe? See my comment above about the creation of Kwanzaa.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2013 04:08 PM (36Rjy)

175 But I have corn!

Posted by: Kwanzaa Timmy at December 17, 2013 04:08 PM (evdj2)

176 Istanbul or Constantinople...

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 17, 2013 04:09 PM (ZshNr)

177 Oh, yes.. I probably don't even need to go into the theological problems with describing Santa as someone you "worship".

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2013 04:10 PM (BC6cY)

178 Oh so Kelly pulled the "left are the real racists" card. Yeah good luck getting anywhere with that, no matter how dumb the issue is.

Posted by: blue.dot at December 17, 2013 04:11 PM (3N6Fo)

179 Whites expressing any preference for anything to do with their racial background is de facto racism. Blacks expressing any preference for anything to do with their race is to celebrated and promoted. Blacks cannot be criticized for any behavior, no matter how repugnant, while whites have to be criticized for nearly all behavior, no matter how benign.

Posted by: DrEvil at December 17, 2013 04:11 PM (YIriA)

180 Dunderkind!

Posted by: Kwanzaa Timmy at December 17, 2013 04:12 PM (evdj2)

181 It all depends on where the Left stands. When they are talking "common sense" gun control and "90%" of all Americans support this (I have never seen 90% of Americans agree on anything) then of course the majority should rule. Have to love their sliding goal posts.

Posted by: Thorisin at December 17, 2013 04:13 PM (hDNoI)

182 See, this is the slippery slope allowing Blackula created.

Posted by: docweasel at December 17, 2013 04:17 PM (tVTtf)

183 The founder of Kwanzaa was a violent person. I wouldn't want to celebrate a holiday he started.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2013 04:20 PM (BC6cY)

184 172 Kwanzaa is not a black holiday, but a Leftist holiday.... I know of no one who celebrates it. Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2013 08:05 PM (36Rjy) ------------------------------------- Heh. A college friend of mine got into a "roots" obsession and celebrated Kwanzaa for a couple of years. It just didn't grab her though and fell by the wayside. A few years later she was born again as a Christian and told me she had found her REAL roots by going home to Jesus. That experiment (or was it miraculous grace?) took for life --- or at least for decades.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 17, 2013 04:21 PM (dfYL9)

185 183 See, this is the slippery slope allowing Blackula created.

Posted by: docweasel at December 17, 2013 08:17 PM (tVTtf)

LOL

Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2013 04:21 PM (36Rjy)

186 Is blackface part of the Santa outfit now?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at December 17, 2013 04:30 PM (l0lja)

187 While Santa is a morph of St. Nicholas who, as a northern European, was definitely white; I don't see why this is an important issue. I've seen black Santa figurines and I've seen black Santas in some stores - so what? I suspect that stores quietly cater to their majority customers and have done so in the past - this is just another 'big spoon' issue to stir racial tension in people.

Posted by: rabidfox at December 17, 2013 04:34 PM (COIkl)

188 I believe St. Nicholas was considered ethnically Greek contemporaneously, however, the area in which he was born and operated is now part of present-day Turkey. Although "Santa Claus" seems vaguely N. Eur, St. Nicholas was not.

Posted by: docweasel at December 17, 2013 04:39 PM (tVTtf)

189 Voila (from wiki): Nicholas was born a Greek[12][13][14] in Asia Minor during the third century in the city of Patara (Lycia et Pamphylia),[15][16] which was a port on the Mediterranean Sea,[16] and lived in Myra, Lycia[17] (part of modern-day Demre, Turkey), at a time when the region was Greek in its heritage,[16] culture, and outlook and politically part of the Roman diocese of Asia.[16] He was the only son of wealthy Christian parents named Epiphanius (Ἐπιφάνιος

and Johanna (Ἰωάννα

according to some accounts[18] and Theophanes (Θεοφάνης

and Nonna (Νόννα

according to others.[16] He was very religious from an early age[14] and according to legend, Nicholas was said to have rigorously observed the canonical fasts of Wednesdays and Fridays. His wealthy parents died in an epidemic while Nicholas was still young and he was raised by his uncleÂ—also named NicholasÂ—who was the bishop of Patara. He tonsured the young Nicholas as a reader and later ordained him a presbyter (priest).

Posted by: docweasel at December 17, 2013 04:40 PM (tVTtf)

190 Felix da Cat is black.

Posted by: NCwoof at December 17, 2013 04:40 PM (aUQgu)

191 EPA: Outlawing coal is racist. Coal is black.

Posted by: NCwoof at December 17, 2013 04:42 PM (aUQgu)

192 Blackboards are black. Whiteboards are racist.

Posted by: NCwoof at December 17, 2013 04:43 PM (aUQgu)

193 "Fair enough. But they seem to take an indefensible position: the majority should not win, ever. The majority should always be frustrated in its desires, simply because it is the majority, and the majority must lose." No Mr Ace, not ever, just until the majority and the minority trade places. Then it is majority rule. Democrats might be surprised though because values are not skin deep. We aren't born wired to follow a predetermined political and philosophical depending on what our skin color is.

Posted by: wodun at December 17, 2013 04:45 PM (fbqZE)

194 Hey, baldilocks. Nice to see you round these parts again.

My sister told me the school tried to pedal Kwanza for a few years when her daughter was in middle school. Thankfully it faded out. I guess the teachers got bored.

Posted by: Retread at December 17, 2013 04:48 PM (cHwk5)

195 "This is the simple truth of it. What's going on here is simple: yes, black kids are kind of put off by a Santa Who Doesn't Look Like Them. It's only natural."
That's not natural, its idiotic. That's like saying its natural that white people would like Will Smith's movies better if only he were white. Its racist trash.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2013 04:50 PM (zfY+H)

196 I don't care what color that fat old bastard is...Snowballs upside his head!

Posted by: Eagles Fan at December 17, 2013 04:58 PM (1iTS/)

197 Kids are put off by a Santa that doesn't look like them? You know who my favorite character on Mod Squad was? Linc. I mean, I was hot for Julie, but Linc was the badass. And Mission: Impossible? YepÂ… Barney. Even with GI Joes, my favorite was the black dudeÂ… he looked cooler. So, noÂ… kids don't give a crap about Santa's race; they care about what he stands for -- rewarding goodness with goodies. It takes a stupid adult to put any other notion in their heads.

Posted by: red speck at December 17, 2013 05:06 PM (9Xu0X)

198 Does this mean I can start claiming Michael Jordan as white?

Posted by: Beorn at December 17, 2013 05:20 PM (toMVp)

199 Stop insulting Prophet Of Islam.
CAIR MUST file actionb against islamophobes.

Devil is Black African Â– Jesus is White, so says Mohamed prophet of Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6iMrDp6M3U

Posted by: hutchrun at December 17, 2013 05:27 PM (p4hw0)

200 I've linked this before, but I don't know if anybody noticed it: The Life of St. Nicholas as told by Ann Barnhardt http://www.barnhardt.biz/2013/12/06/starting-friday-off-right-3/ You have to read it all the way to the very end.

Posted by: rickl at December 17, 2013 05:44 PM (sdi6R)

201 "I don't see the sense of that proposition at all. Just in terms of simple utilitarianism, it fails."

Do you think that these people are actually thinking this though?

Race grievance isn't about the consistency of their arguments, or fairness, It's simply about winning.

Posted by: West at December 17, 2013 06:02 PM (aDICA)

202 Next thing they'll be saying the Festivus Hobo doesn't reek of elderberries and warm biscuits, per the tradition. Keep on walking with your blueberry cakes and pies, faker.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at December 17, 2013 06:08 PM (7v8o1)

203 We attended a 3rd grade Christmas singing last nite and Santa and Mrs. Claus, were Mexican. I think the HO, HO, HO, was in spanish, because it ends in O, as do a lot of spanish words!/sarc

"Feliz Navidad, y'all" was how Santa ended the program. We felt the spirit of Navidad!

My family is anglo and no, we didn't feel alienated, animated by the great singing and costumes, but no, not alienated.

Posted by: Tortuga at December 18, 2013 05:48 AM (FmyWU)

204 So your argument is that a black man lives at the North Pole? Why do I not find that persuasive?

Posted by: gekkobear at December 19, 2013 09:49 AM (cbh4N)

205 Oh damn, I missed this. "UNIDENTIFIED MAN: All right. All fictional people are white. In the bible. Santa just is white. Like Christmas. It's a white Christmas." SNOW IS RACIST! Until we have black snow racism cannot end... or something like that. What the living holy hell is this nonsense?

Posted by: gekkobear at December 19, 2013 09:50 AM (cbh4N)

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