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July 09, 2013

Zimmerman, Martin, and the Clash of Civilizations
— Ace

Dynamite Big Picture essay on clash of two different cultures, two different tribes, on the frontier where Elites never deign to step foot. They're deep in the Capital areas of the empire, protected from danger and insulated from the knowledge that such exists at all.

But Zimmerman had to step there, because he lived there, and while he was middle class, he was lower middle class, and had to live on the frontier. He didn't have the money to live in the gated communities and Private Security Patrol areas of the Capital.

It could be that Zimmerman reminds the actual Elites of their own good fortune, and therefore they hate him for that. In their Narrative, Zimmerman becomes the Elite who must be punished, because they damnsure aren't going to punish themselves.

Very good essay, definitely give it a read. I've gone off on my own tangent (similar but not identical to the points made in the essay), so don't think you've already read it based on my own ruminations.

Via @comradearthur.

Posted by: Ace at 12:05 PM | Comments (100)
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1 Primero!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2013 12:06 PM (+98Gb)

We see an unfortunate incident and a dead black teenager.

The elite see a tool.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2013 12:08 PM (vLh0X)

3 Can't they email her the photo?

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 09, 2013 12:08 PM (UypUQ)

4 That, and he's white.*

*Not Cracker White, but Hispanic White. The emphasis on White.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at July 09, 2013 12:08 PM (71LDo)

5 John Edwards told us that there were two Americas and he was right.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 09, 2013 12:08 PM (XUKZU)

6 Yeah there's a reason we don't exist.

Posted by: National Association for the Advancement of White Hispanics at July 09, 2013 12:09 PM (/IWYB)

7 Current witness: You have to remember, at the time she ID'd the voice as GZ, the news was in high dungeon mode that a white man killed a little black boy.

And yet, she (a black woman) still--still--says it was GZ.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 09, 2013 12:10 PM (VjL9S)

8 Zimmerman scares the Elites because they realize instinctively that the vaneer of civilization is very thin, and they know they are incapable of surviving if that vaneer is ever worn through. They are comforted by the thought of layers of protection between them and the bad guys, but know that if those layers disappeared they wouldn't last two seconds.

Posted by: RS at July 09, 2013 12:10 PM (YAGV/)

9 Riots already starting. Burnin' busses.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 09, 2013 12:10 PM (UypUQ)

10 One civilization is dying. The other is thriving, but will be short-lived. Irony of Ironies: The 'new' civilization' is snuffing out the 'old,' but the 'new' cannot sustain itself. So once the 'old' dies out, the new civilization will shortly follow.

Posted by: soothie at July 09, 2013 12:11 PM (s+8Vv)

Haven't we seen this movie?

It was called 'Hunger Games', or something.

Posted by: wheatie at July 09, 2013 12:11 PM (XWSNs)

12 The difference, it would seem, is that the elites delegate their security to professionals and wash their hands of them when they get in a spot of trouble, but never do they not have professionals guarding their persons and things.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at July 09, 2013 12:11 PM (nnkXw)

13 this will also remind you of Steyn predicting future America* where the elites live is heavily defended gated communities and the rest of us are on our own. Like Zimmerman was. *in the book "After America"

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at July 09, 2013 12:11 PM (5YUSx)

14 Spittle talks big for a cracka who lives in Chevy Chase behind a gate.

Posted by: tony redenzo at July 09, 2013 12:12 PM (LwRkC)

15 In other words, it is inevitable that these imbeciles will soon rule the world. But the reign of dunces will only last a short while.

Posted by: soothie at July 09, 2013 12:12 PM (E7Qlq)

16 Trayvon Martin. Horst Wessel he ain't. But to the left, he'll do just fine. The Hip-Hop Kristallnacht is coming, yo.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2013 12:13 PM (+98Gb)

17 If the prosecution is shit, you must acquit.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 09, 2013 12:13 PM (aj6ZZ)

18 Every media figure who complains about how feral and predatory George Zimmerman was, has hired a George Zimmerman to kill members of their audience who get too menacing.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 09, 2013 12:13 PM (TbVAj)

19 The French elite thought they were well insulated from the masses as well.

But, it's not a type of insulation that stops the blade.

They pretend it won't happen this time.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 09, 2013 12:14 PM (VjL9S)

20 Hmm, this is the defense last witness.

Posted by: UWP at July 09, 2013 12:14 PM (r98SZ)

21 17 If the prosecution is shit, you must acquit. Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 09, 2013 04:13 PM (aj6ZZ) If the drank was stank, take it to the bank. Meh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2013 12:14 PM (+98Gb)

22 They don't fuck with us in semi rural Pa. Were all armed.

Posted by: tony redenzo at July 09, 2013 12:15 PM (LwRkC)

23 In other other words, the Dumb People will drive civilization backward into the Stone Age.

Posted by: soothie at July 09, 2013 12:15 PM (uaJ2E)

they thought he was an old racist Jewish White man

and then couldn't let go

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 12:15 PM (zOTsN)

25 Zimmerman scares the Elites because they realize instinctively that the vaneer of civilization is very thin, and they know they are incapable of surviving if that vaneer is ever worn through.

***

I prefer the metaphor of thin ice. The elites and the savages are chipping away at it and when it gives way, we're all going to be in for a bath.

P.S. The real problem is that the Zimmermans of the world vote Democrat. They are lemmings.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 09, 2013 12:16 PM (XUKZU)

If the "victim" is a'thuggin'

An acquitted defendant you'll be huggin'

Posted by: Plattervon at July 09, 2013 12:16 PM (ggRof)

27 5 John Edwards told us that there were two Americas and he was right. Posted by: WalrusRex at July 09, 2013 04:08 PM (XUKZU) The one the Democrats have destroyed and the other they are on the verge of destroying.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2013 12:17 PM (+98Gb)

28 I think we are all trying to read too much in this while gazing at navel lint. This is really not even uncommon. Travon was a doper and a dealer and a thief. Zimmerman was exactly what the prosecution said, a "cop want-a-be".

When he and Travon got into the altercation from what I gather it went down exactly as Zimmerman said all along. This case is all about one thing.

When it was initially reported the names rang out in the press who failed to follow the 24 hour rule. Man name Zimmerman shoots and kills an unarmed innocent black youth. That was the meme complete with an old picture of him as a 14 year old. It was another chance to practice race baiting.

By the time the facts started coming out the press had already tried the case and Florida, being Florida, decided to step in an override the local cops and do a lyching. All because they though Zimmerman was a white of German extraction. By the time they saw he was not they were already sunk into the shit they created up to their armpits.

The trial going on now shows that clearly. The AG should be disbarred and prosecuted. And Zimmerman should sue the living shit out of NBC and the AG.

Posted by: Vic at July 09, 2013 12:17 PM (lZvxr)

>>>this will also remind you of Steyn predicting future America* where the elites live is heavily defended gated communities and the rest of us are on our own

You know? I'd rather be on my own. Freedom is hard, and McCain won't be my neighbor.

Posted by: Pixies at July 09, 2013 12:17 PM (3ZtZW)

30 Trayvon, his army with fists closed.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 09, 2013 12:17 PM (aj6ZZ)

31 Excellent essay....for a Jew.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 09, 2013 12:18 PM (eSrLn)

32 I was assuming/hoping that the "class of civilizations" discussed here would be white working class vs. black working class. Zimmerman's fear and distrust led him to stalking a guy who was just some kid, and only because he was a black kid wearing a hoodie. And that led to a confrontation and fist fight. And because Zimmerman was carrying, that garden variety fist fight ended in death. And the sad part is that lots and lots of people are very ok with all of the above.

Posted by: L'etat c'est moi at July 09, 2013 12:18 PM (8esY+)

33 I predict the jury will deliberate less than one day and return a not-guilty on all counts.

Posted by: toby928© goes out on a limb at July 09, 2013 12:18 PM (codCi)

34 First?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2013 12:18 PM (yvGY0)

35 25 P.S. The real problem is that the Zimmermans of the world vote Democrat. They are lemmings. Posted by: WalrusRex at July 09, 2013 04:16 PM (XUKZU) I would be shocked if George Zimmerman ever votes for a Democrat again. You would think what they put him and his family through would put him some knowledge. Same for Paula Deen. The left was itching to throw her behind bars but the media crucifixion was quite good enough, I guess.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2013 12:19 PM (+98Gb)

Let them try rioting.

Like my husband says - if they come, we're ready.

Although we have little to worry about in SW FL.

Posted by: Marybeth at July 09, 2013 12:19 PM (Ks0w4)

37 Trayvon Martin. Horst Wessel he ain't.

***

Horst Wessel was a thug punk who was killed in a dispute over money involving his prostitute girlfriend who was supporting him. That spells Trayvon Martin to me.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 09, 2013 12:19 PM (XUKZU)

38 Broke?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 09, 2013 12:20 PM (wR+pz)

But the case isn't about race either. It's about a struggling middle class in a precarious economy trying to hang on to what it has. And it's about a culture of dropouts from the economy who celebrate thuggery and then pretend to be the victims. It's doubtful that anyone in Zimmerman's neighborhood who weathered multiple break-ins has much sympathy for the Martin family. And that's one reason that the prosecution hasn't found any useful witnesses

Brilliant

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 12:20 PM (zOTsN)

I work in Eliteville. I mentioned to a co-worker that thinks he is guilty that the defense says they may wrap it up Wednesday. The coworker sucked in her breathe. Why? Perhaps she fears the great rioting of white Hispanics and their brethren should there be a conviction. Or maybe, just maybe, Eliteville runs a bit scared that the protective veil may be at risk for a couple of days.

A bit of a rhetorical question; the media claims they do not as a rule cover local mass murders of babies via decapitations and the like. Why the fixation on this local crime story?

Posted by: Mac at July 09, 2013 12:20 PM (0J18b)

41 it is remarkable how monolithic these 'ciminal defense' attorneys' are in, well...shilling for the prosecution. Wait...aren't you guys always talking about over-aggressive prosecutions?...and how the poor downtrodden guy in the dock is being railroaded?

oh, that's right...there's a job to be done...justice for Trayvon

Posted by: rk at July 09, 2013 12:21 PM (2A0SC)

That's the real story behind the headlines, the agitprop and the circus of a public trial. It's the reality that doesn't get talked about much because it's much less interesting than the straightforward story being fed into the presses. The one about an innocent young boy killed for no reason at all. It's a story about what happens when people are backed into a corner and then told to stay there. It's about a frightened middle class trying to survive. And it's about territory.

Zimmerman picked his side of the coin and Martin picked his.

brilliant

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 12:21 PM (zOTsN)

43 I'm posting this before the article is posted and am magic.

Posted by: notsomsm at July 09, 2013 12:24 PM (/sbgO)

44 Still broke?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 09, 2013 12:25 PM (wR+pz)

45 Hello? Anyone home?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2013 12:25 PM (+98Gb)

46 Excellent points in that essay, particularly about the feeling of being backed into a corner. There is something dangerous in the air right now and it's going to lead to somewhere horrible. There's a growing belief that the levers of power are being used only against those who are law abiding and not against the law breakers. It most certainly appears that not popping out a kid and not being a junkie and not being functionally illiterate has resulted only in my having to work hard in order to support both myself and those who have chosen to opt out of what used to be deemed the mandates of society. This dovetails with Sara Hoyt's observation that those who are existing on government largesse do, indeed, have a job. Their job is to navigate bureaucracy and to keep the money flowing. That is not a simple matter. Is it productive work? Well, it is for them and that's what's important. I have an acquaintance in Florida who owns a nice house in a nice neighborhood right on the edge of a very nice neighborhood indeed. She and her husband have worked their fingers to the bone to make a good life for them and their kids. Guess what? She's about ready to walk away from it all. Why? Well, apparently the speculators who built the McMansions in their neighborhood and who now cannot sell them have turned to accepting Section 8 vouchers. Needless to say, this has resulted in an influx of residents who are less than keen on keeping the property in good condition and who are more than keen to pursue some possibly illicit entrepreneurial activities. Thus, they are now living in a war zone. They played by the rules. They worked hard. They moved away from the frontier. The frontier followed. Now they are the ones who are in the wrong for wanting a quiet, peaceful, safe life. After all, how desperately classist and racist to not want your children to be exposed to an open air drug market right across the street. How declasse indeed to presume that the school system is there to educate your child and not to serve as a babysitter. How gauche to believe that your child should be able to go outside to play without you worrying that s/he will be caught in drug gang crossfire in the middle of suburbia. I have no answers for this. People will protect themselves and their families. They will. That impulse may well be engraved in our DNA. Attempting to stop that will only make things uglier. The Burning Time comes. May I go quickly in the first wave.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 09, 2013 12:26 PM (VtjlW)

And like that...he's gone.

Posted by: Verbal at July 09, 2013 12:27 PM (vLh0X)

48 Where did the comments go?

Posted by: Name at July 09, 2013 12:30 PM (Camtm)

49 First

Posted by: Solo4357 at July 09, 2013 12:30 PM (NBOA5)

50 This farce started out with a simple mistake from the media that a white man shot a black a youth. An assumption was made based on Mr. Zimmerman's name and instead of correcting this mistake the media doubled down and created a whole new ethnicity. If the media had reported the story accurately, a Hispanic man shot a black man, there would be no story, as this story does not fit any narrative of racial injustice. At least not any narrative the media is interested in reporting.

So here we are. If the media had any shame there would be some introspection during the inevitable riots when Mr. Zimmerman gets off or if they send an innocent man to jail. But that is not how the media rolls. And they wonder why nobody trusts them anymore.

Posted by: Shtetl G at July 09, 2013 12:35 PM (dlzlR)

Content free thread.

Posted by: Psycotte at July 09, 2013 12:38 PM (Hk10/)

52 Interesting take, but I view it as little more than tribalism. Compare what's happening here with tribal behavior in places like Afghanistan, Africa or South America and the similarities are impossible to ignore.

Member of Tribe A kills member of Tribe A: Internal matter, sweep it under the rug internally as not to embarrass the tribe in front of others.

Member of Tribe B kills member of Tribe A: Regardless of circumstances, this an outrageous act of aggression against our tribe. We will add it to the list of grievances against your tribe going back hundreds of years.

If anything bad happens to Tribe A, it is to be blamed on tribe B, even if directly caused by the actions of their own tribe.

If George Zimmerman was black or Trayvon Martin white, this story never would've made it out of the local Florida news.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 09, 2013 12:38 PM (SY2Kh)

53 A truly zero-content thread. HuzzaH!!!

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 09, 2013 12:44 PM (ylG8S)

54 Wow! I was getting ennui-wee'd up in the last thread. Now... more ennui.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2013 12:52 PM (+98Gb)

55 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 09, 2013 12:53 PM (/PCJa)

56 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 09, 2013 12:53 PM (/PCJa)

57 So here we are. If the media had any shame there would be some introspection during the inevitable riots when Mr. Zimmerman gets off or if they send an innocent man to jail.

"Media introspection." Yeah, wake me up when that happens.

If looming bankruptcy hasn't made them introspective, nothing ever will.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 09, 2013 12:54 PM (8ZskC)

58 Lemon bars for everyone!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 09, 2013 12:57 PM (V1ZIU)

59 So you have the elites on one side and the savages on the other who are both shocked that folks like us want to be left alone and want our neighborhoods trouble free.

I'm willing to bet that real vigilante movements are going to happen sooner or later.

Posted by: NR Pax at July 09, 2013 12:57 PM (U+O64)

60 I would hope that the law-abiding armed residents of the area have a plan of action, like the Korean shopkeepers did in 1992 in South Central. It's one thing for Sharp-tone to show up with a bullhorn and a crowd. It's quite another for roving, disorganized thugs to face down a group of armed and coordinated citizens.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2013 12:57 PM (+98Gb)

61 Off to feed the kitties. You'll all still be here when I get back, no?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2013 12:58 PM (+98Gb)

62 The Burning Time comes. May I go quickly in the first wave.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 09, 2013 04:26 PM (VtjlW)

I think there are quite a few Morons who would rather you not - who else will be there to wear the stompy boots and crack the whip?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 09, 2013 12:59 PM (v3pYe)

63 I'm in Atlanta. There won't be any rioting here.

Posted by: The ACC Sucks at July 09, 2013 12:59 PM (Rk8LS)

64 I would hope that the law-abiding armed residents of the area have a plan of action, like the Korean shopkeepers did in 1992 in South Central. I don't think a "plan" is necessary. I think they'll just get together as the circumstances call for it, and start distributing lead at high velocity. And it won't take long before the thugs run the other way. But the true crime here is by the elites. By attempting to punish Zimmerman for the crime of defending himself, they're making the barbarians more sure of their eventual victory. So putting them down will require much more of their blood than it would if the Elites would say, "We have rules of behavior for a reason."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 09, 2013 01:00 PM (/PCJa)

65 "Wrong side of the tracks" is nothing but a racist dog whistle for "black neighborhood", you haters. You should all be ashamed of yourselves, but I know you won't be.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at July 09, 2013 01:00 PM (jCQ+I)

66 Alright, Off to wish I drank. See y'all tomorrow.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 09, 2013 01:00 PM (/PCJa)

67 Posted by: rk at July 09, 2013 04:21 PM (2A0SC)

Is this English?

Posted by: toby928© Watched CourTV at July 09, 2013 01:02 PM (codCi)

68 "Wrong side of the tracks" is nothing but a racist dog whistle for "black neighborhood", you haters. Actually, it's a euphemism that liberals would use to blame society rather than the perpetrator. So good luck with that, Cloggenstein sock.

Posted by: zsasz at July 09, 2013 01:02 PM (MMC8r)

69 "the Clash of Civilizations"

a.k.a. the Cold Civil War.

Still going on. Still racking up casualties every day.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 09, 2013 01:07 PM (gqT4g)

70 The Taiwanese animation will not get in, and for good reason this time.

Posted by: toby928© predicts at July 09, 2013 01:07 PM (codCi)

71 Even if the animation doesn't get in... will we get to see it anyways? I'm very curious.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 09, 2013 01:07 PM (UypUQ)

72 69 Still going on. Still racking up casualties every day. Posted by: torquewrench at July 09, 2013 05:07 PM (gqT4g) Mostly on our side, I'd say.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2013 01:08 PM (+98Gb)

Zimmerman was exactly what the prosecution said, a "cop want-a-be".

---------------

You mean the guy who stood up to the cops in a previous incident, and got some of them in trouble? That guy is a "cop want-a-be"?

Sorry, wrong. Please try again.

Posted by: junior at July 09, 2013 01:09 PM (UWFpX)

74 65 Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at July 09, 2013 05:00 PM (jCQ+I) What about Sloopy? She lives in a very bad part of town. And everybody there tries to put my Sloopy down.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2013 01:09 PM (+98Gb)

And it's about a culture of dropouts from the economy who celebrate thuggery and then pretend to be the victims.

Isn't being a victim the ultimate "DIS"

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 09, 2013 01:10 PM (fkBVg)

76 Which prosecutor is this....I wanna slap the shit outta him. #Smugass

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 09, 2013 01:11 PM (X6akg)

77 heh, a citizenry of dropouts and ne'er do wells, and a government full of academics who never worked a day in their lives

Posted by: soothie at July 09, 2013 01:13 PM (C0ttM)

78 AFAIK, this prosecutor has never gone up while the jury is in the room.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 09, 2013 01:17 PM (UypUQ)

79 I'm no Columbo but a quick recovery from critical condition smells awful funny. Theresa, I believe, had a drunken misadventure...possibly a botched suicide attempt.

Posted by: soothie at July 09, 2013 01:17 PM (/eLjI)

80 Therese screwed up her electrolytes by massive booze intake, thus leading to a stroke. They will quietly put her in rehab somewhere. And when she gets out, perhaps she will dump lurch

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 01:18 PM (zOTsN)

81 not stroke, seizure. If she had a stoke, they would say so

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 01:19 PM (zOTsN)

82 NR Pax,

You aren't wrong. That's the whole veneer of polite society. The thugs, Leftists, and our Race-Baiter in Chief don't seem to understand that said veneer protects THEM more than anyone else.

When and if they convince the rest of polite society to stop being polite -- well, like others have posted. The Left really isn't going to like this new world they are creating nearly as much as they THINK they will.

And they will richly deserve it.

Posted by: acethepug at July 09, 2013 01:19 PM (4kvfA)

83 This is bullshit. The animation should be admissible. How much weight the jury wants to give it or should give it, the state can argue.

Posted by: Waldo at July 09, 2013 01:20 PM (vDjkK)

84 Next on the SyFy network: "Trayvonado" where a jury verdict throws thousands of angry black youths into gated communities. Starring Barack Hussein as the closeted community organizer and Courtney Stoddard as the large breasted police chief trying to contain it all.

Posted by: cecil b. demill at July 09, 2013 01:22 PM (YRt5L)

85 I can't believe the judge is allowing this bullshit to continue.

Posted by: Waldo at July 09, 2013 01:22 PM (vDjkK)

86 even if it is not in evidence, the defense should still be able to use it in their closing argument, it just wont be evidence

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 01:22 PM (zOTsN)

87 How do we know trademark is really dead? Sure, there is a photo and some hack ME, but how do we really know?????? /state

Posted by: Waldo at July 09, 2013 01:24 PM (vDjkK)

88 84 Next on the SyFy network: "Trayvonado" where a jury verdict throws thousands of angry black youths into gated communities. Starring Barack Hussein as the closeted community organizer and Courtney Stoddard as the large breasted police chief trying to contain it all. Posted by: cecil b. demill at July 09, 2013 05:22 PM (YRt5L) Hahahaha!

Posted by: Waldo at July 09, 2013 01:33 PM (vDjkK)

89 We can finally see it!

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 09, 2013 01:49 PM (UypUQ)

90 L'etat c'est moi, Trayvon was 150 lbs. Six foot tall. Football player. Not some little kid. He'd been suspended from school AGAIN. Stolen jewelry found in his possession. Gang-signing on his FB, along with requests for pot. Not some innocent little kid. I don't know why the physical facts are so hard for some people to accept...except that I do.

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at July 09, 2013 01:51 PM (7v5Ct)

91 Look at the commentary on Jeantel and her "culture". The culture being discussed is based on a malign stupidity, laziness and racism but that was a-ok with the commenters who thought it insensitive to comment on her malign stupidity, racism and laziness. Having ginned up a racial incident, what will the media and that cretin, Obama, do to defuse it. How many deaths are worth the black vote turn out. Think they care?

Posted by: ejo at July 09, 2013 01:53 PM (GXvSO)

92 81 not stroke, seizure. If she had a stoke, they would say so

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 05:19 PM (zOTsN)

As I am a certified Holiday Inn Medical Examiner I will weigh in: a seizure in an adult often means tumor. Could mean drugs, etc, but with her history of breast cancer this is what is concerning...and the news is taking awhile to arrive.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 01:55 PM (baL2B)

93 I tried reading this, but actually the explanation seems much simpler to me. Trayvon was "aspiring" to the gang/prison culture that seems to appeal to so many power-seeking minority youth, and Zimmerman was living the fantasy life of the Lone Ranger--much more admirable, in my view, but still problematic. I feel badly for Zimmerman, but please, if you're not really Dirty Harry don't pretend to be.

Posted by: Mr Pee Pee at July 09, 2013 02:59 PM (DrC22)

94 The whole Zimmerman was a billy badass wannabe cop is pretty much bull shit. It's been pointed out he he was actually offered more training and resources by the police and he didn't take it. That does not seem like something a wannabe cop would do.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 09, 2013 03:06 PM (uUxu4)

95 I liked the part about the cops protecting themselves. I had a conversation with a law enforcement contact who said, "You know the story that isn't being told here? That the police took their time responding." It was raining. Here was "that guy" (Zimmerman) again, calling them to report another incident. Maybe if we take our time the suspect (Martin) will evade him, sparing us the paperwork and having to get out of the cruiser. My contact said they probably didn't step on the accelerator until the other 911 calls came in, and are probably glad the heat is where it is--rather than where it could be (on them).

Posted by: Syme at July 09, 2013 03:07 PM (n5PVu)

96 Ergo, "These @#^*& punks...they always get away."

Posted by: Syme at July 09, 2013 03:08 PM (n5PVu)

97 Had Trayvon offed Zimmerman you would have never heard of this case.

Posted by: Libra at July 09, 2013 03:38 PM (q5QAW)

98 _______________________________

Zimmerman is obviously a malevolent monster of the first degree.
First of all, he was a Neighborhood Watch Captain. That damning fact alone tells you just what kind of a beast he is.

What business does he (or anyone else) have trying to play the role that only our well-trained, trusted, government police officers should be playing? Only a brutish caveman would volunteer his time and energy to take an active role in reducing crime in his neighborhood.
Crime prevention is for cops. - Period. The rest of us just need to get out of the way, keep a low profile, mind our own business, make minimal use of public areas, and hope for the best.

But what does Zimmerman do? After spotting and reporting suspicious activity in his own neighborhood to the police, he demonstrates the raw temerity to followup such as to give the police the best possible information regarding the suspicious activities. What a heartless bastard!
Sure, recently there had been multiple break-ins and burglaries in his neighborhood. But so what!
Doesn't he know that the police are ultra-trained government professionals who care more about his neighborhood than he does?

And sure, there's absolutely no evidence that Zimmerman started the fight he had with Martin. But we all know that any monster who would dare own a firearm and volunteer his time as a Neighborhood Watch Captain is going to automatically be the instigator of any fight he gets into.
That's so obvious - you don't need evidence to know it. It's like the sun rising.

So, while this monster may not be "technically" guilty of homicide, we can ALL at least agree that we automatically know he's at least guilty of being a Dirty Harry Wannabe. I mean, he's obviously guilty of bad judgment, right? Bad judgment that led to Martin's death.- We just know it has to be true. Who needs evidence, when we just automatically know.

I mean, when this case is finished and Zimmerman is either acquitted outright or the jury is hung, we still have to be able to say that he was responsible for the slaying of an innocent, angelic, black child who never meant anyone any harm.
He might not "technically" be guilty of murder; but he really kind of is anyway.

We still have to be able to say that, right?
- To hell with the assholes who intimate anything like that.

Posted by: _Dave_ at July 09, 2013 04:18 PM (J+Q+d)

99 Gates can be opened, especially when the ones guarding them realize they are part of the 99%. There is no certain security in a corrupt, dying world.

Posted by: En Raged at July 09, 2013 06:02 PM (iQJSK)

100 Sultan Knish (Dan Greenfield) is OUTSTANDING.

I highly recommend subscribing to his free e-letter: he's always this brilliant and thought-provoking, and he's utterly fearless.

Posted by: Beverly at July 09, 2013 10:05 PM (mTpsV)

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