July 13, 2013

Zimmerman Poll/Prediction Thread
— andy

While we're waiting for the result, let's see where the smartest people in the blogosphere stand ...



Of course this is, like the prosecution's theory of the case, completely non-scientific.

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1 Yo

Posted by: Kentucky Kid at July 13, 2013 11:32 AM (4Vt8I)

2 I'm thinking it will be a hung jury.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 13, 2013 11:32 AM (lr3d7)

3 Heh heh...you said "hung"...heh heh.

Posted by: Beavis at July 13, 2013 11:34 AM (Q9qpj)

4 I voted Not Guilty, Guilty - Manslaughter The fix was in long ago.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 13, 2013 11:34 AM (4XER9)

5 Sometimes, when I go into the voting booth, instead of pulling the lever, I pull my ...BLANK

Posted by: Zombie Gene Rayburn at July 13, 2013 11:35 AM (7Waan)

6 I am hoping for a hung jury. Maybee no riots that way.

Posted by: Picric at July 13, 2013 11:35 AM (afl2h)

7 Moral of the story: If you must kill an urban yoot in self-defense, dispose of the body and go about your business. There is officially no point in Doing The Right Thing.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, totally not nuking the Colonies this week at July 13, 2013 11:35 AM (m9V0o)

8 Hung jury. Pretty neat trick considering they are all women

Posted by: Crunchberry at July 13, 2013 11:35 AM (zkvMc)

9 Why do I think hopelessly deadlocked jury? I am thinking of the Jon Cusak movie and wonder if the DOJ will pay for protests to gin up racial strife then putting a ringer on the jury is not implasible.

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 11:36 AM (eTqV5)

10 Since there is only 6 people, and they  be woman folk... I think they will keep at it until they come to a consensus.  I'd like to think that once they rule out murder, and look at manslaughter... they will eventually ask if it was not self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt.  Anyone objectively looking at the evidence ought to conclude that its a 50-50 proposition that George reasonably believed he had to use his gun to save his life... therefore not-guilty.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 13, 2013 11:37 AM (UOjzE)

11 Hung jury. Women can't agree for shit.

Posted by: NCKate at July 13, 2013 11:38 AM (FSbfx)

12 >> I voted Not Guilty, Guilty - Manslaughter Same here. I think they'll convict him of something out of fear of the mob. Dammit.

Posted by: Andy at July 13, 2013 11:38 AM (li+aS)

13 I think it will be a hung jury, nothing is harder than trying to change a woman's mind when she "knows" she's right.

Posted by: spypeach at July 13, 2013 11:39 AM (0n1+D)

14 It's a travesty that they were not back in five minutes with a NOT GUILTY verdict.

The burden of proof is on the State, a burden that the State must prove beyond a reasonable doubt, and the State simply did not get anywhere close with the facts in evidence. That's it right there.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 13, 2013 11:39 AM (gqT4g)

15 I hope it is not guilty because he is actually not guilty. And if there are riots, please please please let them come this way.

Posted by: Shonuff at July 13, 2013 11:40 AM (jo0fs)

16 If it's a hung jury, will Florida re-try the case? They gotta be nuts to do so, so maybe they'll let Steadman try and crucify Zimmerman. The longer they deliberate, the queasier I feel.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 11:40 AM (+98Gb)

17 If there's an acquittal by tomorrow, the gun thread could be one of the best ever.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at July 13, 2013 11:40 AM (v4bsR)

18 I voted Not Guilty, Guilty - Manslaughter


The fix was in long ago.

My choices too.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 13, 2013 11:41 AM (0IhFx)

19 Hung jury.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at July 13, 2013 11:41 AM (LwRkC)

20 17 If there's an acquittal by tomorrow, the gun thread could be one of the best ever. Posted by: Wm T Sherman at July 13, 2013 03:40 PM (v4bsR) Soon as I get me a license, I want to get one of them Russkie Mosin-Nagants along with that cool looking retro-fit kit. Who makes that again?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 11:41 AM (+98Gb)

21 The longer they deliberate, the queasier I feel. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 03:40 PM (+98Gb) me too, but I think a guilty, or not guilty would have already come back by now. Someone is holding out on guilty in my opinion. I find it impossible to believe that all 6 women could live with themselves if they were to send a innocent man to jail.

Posted by: spypeach at July 13, 2013 11:42 AM (0n1+D)

22 Wow 3 people here actually think he's guilty of 2nd degree murder?

Posted by: L, elle at July 13, 2013 11:42 AM (0PiQ4)

23

 

Skittles Futures stay up.

 

Hung Jury.

Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2013 11:42 AM (Skkie)

24 From some libtards: "Comment From Movin Forward Is another possibility a retrial (if GZ is acquitted) due to prosecutors not doing their job adequately. If Justice is not served by this process then there must be some way to get it." "Comment From Sally" If GZ is acquitted it's a perfect time for me to get the new iPhone. #riots "Comment from GZ's a dirtbag" If the jurors find GZ naa guilty, there adreses needed to posted for all to see an they need to wear paper bags the rest they lifes.

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 11:43 AM (eTqV5)

25 Jurors on criminal cases can be instructed that "flight is evidence of a guilty conscience." If Z is convicted, that should go out the window. Instead, it will be, "I ran because I was afraid I'd be railroaded like that poor bastard Zimmerman."

Posted by: real joe at July 13, 2013 11:43 AM (Sorwn)

26 Of course a hung jury is better than a guilty one but it would be horrible for the zimmerman family to have to go to thru this shit again. It will also be harder to raise the funds and find attys to help him.

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 13, 2013 11:43 AM (cjFRv)

27 This is a textbook self-defense case. There's really nothing to "deliberate." But, apparently, the jury thinks there is, which means we're looking at a hung jury or a guilty verdict of some kind.

Posted by: Mr Estrada at July 13, 2013 11:44 AM (5piqN)

28 24 Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 03:43 PM (eTqV5) What sick website did that vomit come from?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 11:44 AM (+98Gb)

29 If they are sequestered, does that mean they are unaware of the saber-rattling about rioting -- or is that information that they conceivably could get? It shouldn't enter their decision either way, but heaven knows it's an issue that could affect the weak-minded. Of course, there could also be victory rioting!

Posted by: jakeman at July 13, 2013 11:44 AM (JwPeD)

30 If there is a retrial, I want that fucker Scott to allot funds to Zimmerman's attys of choice. He is the one who got him into this shit bucket and he should do something to ensure he gets a fair retrial. Really, Scott is the one who took it out of the grand jury's hands and gave it to that bitch Corey.

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 13, 2013 11:45 AM (cjFRv)

31 Who are the 5 percent sad pathetic weasels voting to convict (not predict) on manslaughter? Lurking trolls?

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at July 13, 2013 11:45 AM (v4bsR)

32 I made a mistake in the first poll, I marked guilty manslaughter which is how I think the jury will rule. Take away one manslaughter vote there and add not guilty..

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 11:45 AM (9+ccr)

33 7 Moral of the story: If you must kill an urban yoot in self-defense, dispose of the body and go about your business. There is officially no point in Doing The Right Thing.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, totally not nuking the Colonies this week at July 13, 2013 03:35 PM (m9V0o)


Just make sure you have plenty of strong acid on hand...

Posted by: KG at July 13, 2013 11:45 AM (IPz9m)

34 I clicked the wrong damn button!  Wanted not guilty and clicked too fast.  Ugh.  So, one of those manslaughter votes was what you get when you try and multi-task.

Posted by: jjo at July 13, 2013 11:46 AM (Gkenl)

35 If it's a hung jury, will Florida re-try the case? They gotta be nuts to do so, so maybe they'll let Steadman try and crucify Zimmerman. The thug life phone stuff might get in so no to Florida retrial. The FBI concluded that there was no civil rights crime so the feds will let him alone. What? Oh yeah. The justice department will charge him anyway because it will ruin whatever is left of his life after the criminal shit. And, he may not be able to afford good lawyers for the federal wrap so they might get a guilty verdict. Fist pump! Then the IRS and FEC and EPA and FCC all take their shots because fuck whitey(hispanic), that's why.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (This Can't be My Planet. Stop fooling around you guys) at July 13, 2013 11:46 AM (jopHG)

36 29 If they are sequestered, does that mean they are unaware of the saber-rattling about rioting -- or is that information that they conceivably could get? It shouldn't enter their decision either way, but heaven knows it's an issue that could affect the weak-minded. Of course, there could also be victory rioting! Posted by: jakeman at July 13, 2013 03:44 PM (JwPeD) Considering the Sanford/Orlando law enforcement leadership and judicial system have proven themselves to be corrupt from day 1, I would not be surprised if these jurors were being leaned on. IRS is waiting in the wings to ruin their lives. Unless the NBPP barbarians get to them first.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 11:46 AM (+98Gb)

37 How do we know if the votes were counted right?  What about all the hanging chads?  I'm serial!

Posted by: Al Gore at July 13, 2013 11:47 AM (/izg2)

38 I voted not guilty, guilty second degree murder. I think there is at least 2 "ringers" on the jury. Remember during jury selection when Zimmerman's defense exposed one? That guy with the guitars? I think some still got through.

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 11:47 AM (eTqV5)

39

You are selling yourself short. 

This poll is far more scientific than the prosecutions theories.

Posted by: PMRich at July 13, 2013 11:47 AM (KDUNf)

40 One man's slaughter is another man's laughter.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 11:48 AM (+98Gb)

41 28 24 Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 03:43 PM (eTqV5) What sick website did that vomit come from? --------------------- http://www.wftv.com/s/zimmerman-blog/

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 11:48 AM (eTqV5)

42 Soon as I get me a license, I want to get one of them Russkie Mosin-Nagants along with that cool looking retro-fit kit. Who makes that again? Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 03:41 PM (+98Gb) where again do you need a license?

Posted by: Jake in ID-aquavit at July 13, 2013 11:49 AM (6LImX)

43 37 How do we know if the votes were counted right? What about all the hanging chads? I'm serial! Posted by: Al Gore at July 13, 2013 03:47 PM (/izg2) Hanging chads and hung juries. Actually, I recall there was a pron actor who went by the name Hung Chad, or something like that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 11:49 AM (+98Gb)

44 I don't think time out has anything to do with it. Some jurors like to discuss each piece of evidence and the instructions. Me, I'd go back there, say lets take a vote, those who say Murder 2, I know to slip a mickey to and tell the judge that they are doing drugs instead of deliberating.

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 13, 2013 11:49 AM (cjFRv)

45 KG @ 33 - Word.

Posted by: Leon at July 13, 2013 11:49 AM (EV3Uf)

46 I clicked the wrong damn button! Wanted not guilty and clicked too fast. Ugh. So, one of those manslaughter votes was what you get when you try and multi-task.

I see a Florida voter has joined us :p

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 13, 2013 11:49 AM (X9Mnx)

47 42 where again do you need a license? Posted by: Jake in ID-aquavit at July 13, 2013 03:49 PM (6LImX) People's Demokratic Republik of New Yorkistan.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 11:49 AM (+98Gb)

48 Fear the "Animal Handler".

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 11:50 AM (wR+pz)

49 Justice  for  my  coulda  been  sun! 

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at July 13, 2013 11:50 AM (c4IyR)

50 Not Guilty times 2.

A clearer example of Wishcasting you will not see anywhere.

Posted by: Z as in Jersey at July 13, 2013 11:50 AM (Fvc1x)

51 "Really, Scott is the one who took it out of the grand jury's hands and gave it to that bitch Corey."

As one of the morons observed the other day, what this whole thing has come down to is the collective officialdom of the State of Florida trying desperately to avoid having Disney burned down.

No disinterested sense of justice. Just crass economic self-interest. The tourist dollars must continue to flow, and if a "white Hispanic" has to be crucified to enable that, they'll waste no time in nailing him up.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 13, 2013 11:50 AM (gqT4g)

52 I recall there was a pron actor who went by the name Hung Chad, or something like that.

***

I would've been terribly disappointed if there weren't.

Posted by: cool arrow at July 13, 2013 11:50 AM (WMsq+)

53 Right now I think they're seduced by the appeal of unlimited room service. Me? I'd acquit and bring the Burning Times. Reading the backgrounds on the jurors, I don't see them all falling for gun-fear or media hype. To put it simply I think the juror from Chicago will vote race.

Posted by: zsasz at July 13, 2013 11:50 AM (MMC8r)

54 I want to get one of them Russkie Mosin-Nagants

My son got one of those last year and it was fun, fun, fun...until that tragic canoeing accident. I can't even talk about it *sniffle*

Posted by: jakeman at July 13, 2013 11:51 AM (JwPeD)

55 The one thing I've always had a hard time with, was how prosecutors can just plow ahead even with blatantly bullshit cases.... truly without a conscience, they are....

Posted by: KG at July 13, 2013 11:51 AM (IPz9m)

56 "Rolling Out" blog comment:

"He bashed his head in? That's funny....the medical reports say that most of his "cuts and abrasions" didn't appear to be induced by someone else and didn't match the lesser abrasions he had when they finally brought him in."


http://tinyurl.com/p56mkdl

Ya see, Zimmerman beat his own head into the concrete according to "medical reports".   Yo.


Posted by: LC LaWedgie at July 13, 2013 11:51 AM (0It32)

57 They are going to compromise on manslaughter for reasons that have nothing to do with the law or the evidence.

Posted by: forest at July 13, 2013 11:52 AM (stMuz)

58 I live in a blue state in an area prone to recreational riots by black yutes...65 out of hundreds arrested a year ago at this time rioting just for fun. Gun laws prohibit me from carrying a firearm. Got one on me anyway.

Posted by: Trainer at July 13, 2013 11:52 AM (nWxhZ)

59 55 The one thing I've always had a hard time with, was how prosecutors can just plow ahead even with blatantly bullshit cases.... truly without a conscience, they are.... Posted by: KG at July 13, 2013 03:51 PM (IPz9m) Oh AmishDude, need a consult here.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (This Can't be My Planet. Stop fooling around you guys) at July 13, 2013 11:52 AM (jopHG)

60 54 I want to get one of them Russkie Mosin-Nagants My son got one of those last year and it was fun, fun, fun...until that tragic canoeing accident. I can't even talk about it *sniffle* Posted by: jakeman at July 13, 2013 03:51 PM (JwPeD) I once had a Canoe accident. I ran out and had to use Hai Karate. Ho Lee Fuk!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 11:52 AM (+98Gb)

61 They are going to compromise on manslaughter for reasons that have nothing to do with the law or the evidence.

Posted by: forest at July 13, 2013 03:52 PM (stMuz)


Yep.  I think the fix is in.  I see this either as him getting the lesser charge or just getting the book totally thrown at him.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 13, 2013 11:54 AM (uhAkr)

62 Gun laws prohibit me from carrying a firearm.

Got one on me anyway.

Posted by: Trainer at July 13, 2013 03:52 PM (nWxhZ)



I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 too.

Posted by: NC Ref at July 13, 2013 11:54 AM (/izg2)

63 I beg to differ with Shark Cracka, who says that if Zimmerman has to go to thru this again, it will be harder to raise the funds and find attorneys to help him.

As an attorney who has watched the Legal Insurrection coverage of this trial in depth, I would reach DEEP into my pockets to assist GZ and his legal team if they needed to fight this again.  They ARE Civilization, manning the barricades against Barbarity.


Posted by: Z as in Jersey at July 13, 2013 11:54 AM (Fvc1x)

64 I think more than one person on that jury is going to vote based on feelings and emotions rather than facts and evidence.  It's gonna suck.

Posted by: Dang at July 13, 2013 11:54 AM (Hx2XA)

65

If it helps, I voted while wearing a lab coat.

No pants. 

But the lab coat just screams sciency.

Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2013 11:54 AM (Skkie)

66 If they convict on MS and it is appealed and over turned, then any retrial will be limited to MS. I believe that with the evidence that was erroneously ruled inadmissible, there is a great chance he would be acquitted of MS at a re trial.

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 13, 2013 11:54 AM (cjFRv)

67

No justice, no peace!  No justice, no peace!

After the guilty verdict we will march!

Posted by: TheAmish at July 13, 2013 11:55 AM (Vq7P1)

68 http://tinyurl.com/nks8x8p

this should be the right link to 56

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at July 13, 2013 11:55 AM (0It32)

69 jury has been deliberating 10 hours and 54 minutes

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 11:55 AM (eTqV5)

70 "Soon as I get me a license, I want to get one of them Russkie Mosin-Nagants along with that cool looking retro-fit kit. Who makes that again?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 03:41 PM (+98Gb)"



Where do you live that you need a license for a Model 1891 bolt action rifle?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 13, 2013 11:55 AM (31Nrp)

71 Not guilty, hung jury.

Posted by: RWC at July 13, 2013 11:56 AM (8FeS+)

72 No disinterested sense of justice. Just crass economic self-interest. The tourist dollars must continue to flow, and if a "white Hispanic" has to be crucified to enable that, they'll waste no time in nailing him up.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 13, 2013 03:50 PM (gqT4g)


That doesn't even make sense. Truly they (FL) are idiots if they believe that.

Posted by: KG at July 13, 2013 11:56 AM (IPz9m)

73 Prediction: Whichever juror nodded in agreement during the prosecution's opening remarks that Zimmerman set this entire train in motion when he got out of the car is going to be the one causing a hung jury, if not pulling a "12 Angry Men" and getting a Manslaughter conviction. GZ is probably being convicted or tried again because someone is going to want a world where a black kid gets to beat up on a white guy for disrespectng hm. "Because", you know? Because my guess is that juror will admit to the possibility that Trayvon threw the first punch-- but the "white" guy had it coming. Too bad the cracker had a gun. Tragedy all around, and Solomonic justice says manslaughter. My guess as to potential thinking.

Posted by: T. at July 13, 2013 11:56 AM (Gaic4)

74

Not Guilty / Hung Jury.  I feel for the jurors who have to listen to the inane ramblings of the one(s) holding a verdict of Guilty of Something.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 13, 2013 11:57 AM (BAS5M)

75 Not guilty Hung jury

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 11:57 AM (jjvz+)

76 I think more than one person on that jury is going to vote based on feelings and emotions rather than facts and evidence.

Which was *precisely* the goal of that maudlin POS rebuttal by the prosecution, right?

Posted by: jakeman at July 13, 2013 11:57 AM (JwPeD)

77 Regardless of the verdict, my family has made its last vacation to Florida. We've spent a week there the last four years. After watching this spectacle, I won't spend another dime there. Even Dershowitz says the prosecutors should be disbarred. And the one honest guy who talked to a private atty because the state was hiding the cell phone evidence has now been fired by the state.

Posted by: USA at July 13, 2013 11:57 AM (VIaw0)

78 Oh AmishDude, need a consult here.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (This Can't be My Planet. Stop fooling around you guys) at July 13, 2013 03:52 PM (jopHG)


Damn, I totally teed that one up, huh?

Posted by: KG at July 13, 2013 11:57 AM (IPz9m)

79 Jury will go for 2nd degree murder.  That is the only way that *they* are off the hook from the race-baiting mobsters.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 13, 2013 11:57 AM (9GG/0)

80 Looking at 'Assault Weapons' on Armslist and someone had a 9mm and dissed 223/5.56 as a glorified varmint gun. True? I have no idea. Can I hunt with one, or strictly self defense?

Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 11:58 AM (/7gW+)

81 This tweet from legal analyst/sooper-genius Diana Tennis: "Diana Tennis @TennisLaw PEEPS. A system is not about results, it's about the process. I am not a hypocrite, the outcome is not the point. This system is not broken." Honey, bless your heart, if the system were not broken, George Zimmerman would not have been put on trial in the first place. Sheesh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 11:58 AM (+98Gb)

82 Confucious say - all-female jury can never be hung

Posted by: Dong Hong Lo at July 13, 2013 11:58 AM (nTfyI)

83 The sad part of all of this is the prosecution was a joke. They were terrible, their witnesses were pathetic, they weren't prepared. So, basically, they could have had no prosecution. They could have had the defense present their case for 2 days, send them back, and probably still get what we have now...10+ hours of deliberation. And I'm not going to say "Women" Rather it's probably ONE woman. Maybe two at the most. My guess is the lady from Chicago...just my guess.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at July 13, 2013 11:59 AM (sZRSi)

84 One of the jurors moved to Florida from Chicago four months ago. Huh.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at July 13, 2013 11:59 AM (v4bsR)

85 That would be cool if there was a really hot cat fight going on in that jury room.

Oh,  and the jury room is a vagina.

Posted by: Dang at July 13, 2013 11:59 AM (Hx2XA)

86 A Mosin kit like this one, Sefton? http://tinyurl.com/q7hlgru

Posted by: Andy at July 13, 2013 11:59 AM (li+aS)

87 82 Confucious say - all-female jury can never be hung

Posted by: Dong Hong Lo at July 13, 2013 03:58 PM (nTfyI)


Wanna bet?

Posted by: Chaz Bono, Lady Gaga, Ru Paul at July 13, 2013 11:59 AM (9GG/0)

88

I voted:

 

- Not guilty

- Murder 2

 

It's not about the rule of law, but about the rule of emotion.

Posted by: steveegg at July 13, 2013 11:59 AM (o44nj)

89 70 Where do you live that you need a license for a Model 1891 bolt action rifle? Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 13, 2013 03:55 PM (31Nrp) New York. I need a license to even think about getting a license. Don't I???????

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:00 PM (+98Gb)

90 Reverse OJ verdict, same stupid jury.

Posted by: sTevo at July 13, 2013 12:00 PM (Tssnh)

91 My guess is deliberating between MS and NG right now. I wonder how many are for MS and how many for NG. Either way, I expect a hung jury. How long should the judge allow them to deliberate? Will they deliberate tomorrow? Can't believe judge would let this go past Monday. I would argue that it shouldn't go past today. A day and a half is enough time.

Posted by: SH at July 13, 2013 12:00 PM (VmQpZ)

92

Doesn't matter how they vote at this point.

 

Everything that has happened in this case  should strike fear in the hearts of every American who is truly afraid that  an innocent person can be convicted of a crime they didn't commit.

 

These "public servants" from the least all the way up to the top (I'm looking at you, Mr. Obama) who railroaded this case for nothing more than  naked political ambition are exactly the people our Founding Fathers were trying to keep in check.

 

The inmates are running the asylum.

 

God help us all.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 13, 2013 12:00 PM (ADnWI)

93 voted not guilty, not guilty - I think the women will really believe Z did use self-defense against a "youth" who was beating Z's head on the sidewalk.
OT- What is the book about Hollywood from a Moron here --  Mary Poppins PPP I think. Director's Cut? Something like that?

Posted by: free tibet at July 13, 2013 12:00 PM (eYcLs)

94 86 A Mosin kit like this one, Sefton? http://tinyurl.com/q7hlgru Posted by: Andy at July 13, 2013 03:59 PM (li+aS) Andy you magnificent bastard! Yes!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:01 PM (+98Gb)

95 >>> No disinterested sense of justice. Just crass economic self-interest. The tourist dollars must continue to flow, and if a "white Hispanic" has to be crucified to enable that, they'll waste no time in nailing him up. Shit like this doesn't make me want to vacation in Florida.

Posted by: fluffy at July 13, 2013 12:01 PM (z9HTb)

96 80 Looking at 'Assault Weapons' on Armslist and someone had a 9mm and dissed 223/5.56 as a glorified varmint gun. True? I have no idea. Can I hunt with one, or strictly self defense? Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 03:58 PM (/7gW+) First off, ask him why he prefers the europellet Yes, you can hunt with one. Not optimal for larger game but you can still take them

Posted by: RWC at July 13, 2013 12:01 PM (8FeS+)

97 I think the jury is going to try and come up with some kind of guilty verdict just to be "fair".  That would be the weak minded thing to do, which you gotta expect these days.  The 2nd degree muder charge is absolutely absurd, so the manslaughter might be the one the jury decides to play "fairses" with.  Of course the whole trial was such an obvious travesty that any guilty verdict is likely to be overturned on appeal.  I just saw an AP online article that attempted to run down the Zimmerman case.  At the top were two pictures...the cute 12 year old Trayvon's pic that anyone who has even slightly paid attention to the case has known for a long time is not an accurate representation of Trayvon Martin at the time of his demise, and one of an unshaven, sullen looking George Zimmerman.  One would think the media are trying to make dead certain there will be riots on a not guilty verdict.  What I would really like to see in a poll is how many minutes after an aquittal will Eric Holder file a civil rights charge against Zimmerman?

Posted by: TanarUr at July 13, 2013 12:02 PM (S4N/h)

98 'Manslaughter' is just the coward's gift to the mob.

Posted by: zsasz at July 13, 2013 12:02 PM (MMC8r)

99 I also voted Not Guilty and Guilty - Manslaughter. I think the jury will believe that's a reasonable "compromise". It's nothing of the sort, of course. As I've said before, I have a real problem with an all-female jury in the first place.

Posted by: rickl at July 13, 2013 12:02 PM (sdi6R)

100 Not guilty.

Hung jury

Posted by: willy at July 13, 2013 12:03 PM (kUCQ4)

101 Hung. I have faith that at least one juror will have the stones to say this is pure bullshit.

Posted by: USA at July 13, 2013 12:03 PM (VIaw0)

102 It's not that prosecutors have no conscience, as much as they convince themselves that their case is righteous. No matter what a piece of shit it is.

Posted by: real joe at July 13, 2013 12:03 PM (Sorwn)

103 "You pretend you were there to witness the fight between them and your refusal to even consider that Zimmerman was wrong shows you are racist and ignorant. There are no facts here aside from TM getting gunned down by a man who followed him in a truck and confronted him for whatever reason. Everything here is hearsay, its only a fact when it's documented.

Secondly, Zimmerman is not Latino or however you see him. He is a mixed race man. The reason we call these guys in the list shameful is that they will believe any other race over their fellow blacks because they dislike their own culture and schmooze with the new slave owners to advance their pitiful lives and careers."


The spark for the flames.  (same link as 6

"gunned down"

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at July 13, 2013 12:04 PM (0It32)

104

Do I really need to specify that was in the order of the questions asked?

Posted by: steveegg at July 13, 2013 12:04 PM (o44nj)

105 That would be cool if there was a really hot cat fight going on in that jury room. ---- Close! Twitchy showed a leaked pic yesterday tinyurl.com/twitchee

Posted by: UWP at July 13, 2013 12:04 PM (r98SZ)

106
Question:

Is there a video online of that animated reenactment the Defense used yesterday?

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 13, 2013 12:04 PM (UOjzE)

107 I figure it will be a hung jury because out of 6 jurors you have to have at least one that is an emotional basket case that cannot disengage from the histronics and will be wedded to the side that is purely 'feelings', which the is prosecution in this looking glass case.

Posted by: Obamao at July 13, 2013 12:04 PM (e+pdj)

108 How long should the judge allow them to deliberate? Will they deliberate tomorrow? Can't believe judge would let this go past Monday. I would argue that it shouldn't go past today. A day and a half is enough time.

Posted by: SH at July 13, 2013 04:00 PM (VmQpZ)

 

Negatory GhostRider.  The trial went weeks.  They should deliberate until they reach a unanimous decision.  Keep at it and back at it day after day, review all the evidence and testimony.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 13, 2013 12:04 PM (BAS5M)

109 Yep. I think the fix is in. I see this either as him getting the lesser charge or just getting the book totally thrown at him. Isn't the MS charge sooped up because a gun was involved. I think 15 + 15 or 15 + 10. It might as well be an M2 charge. Fuckers. Oh, and the Tennis bitch, Wilding baby, if there's karmic justice. So always carry a pen, bitch.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (This Can't be My Planet. Stop fooling around you guys) at July 13, 2013 12:05 PM (jopHG)

110 As I've said before, I have a real problem with an all-female jury in the first place. *** I think there will be at least a couple who have crossed punks like Trayvon in their lifetime and have experienced fear coursing through their veins. Hung jury.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 12:05 PM (jjvz+)

111 I really do not think that 5 out of the 6 jurors are that dim-witted as to believe we should be fair and give him manslaughter and call it a day. Outside pressure notwithstanding, at least 5 are going to vote not guilty. Hence, the one woman who will not be moved will vote guilty and we'll have a hung jury.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:05 PM (+98Gb)

112

Out of six women at least one will be the type that doesn't cotten up to bullshit.  If the reports I read are correct I would say the wise latina who is a nurse fits that description. 

 

Nurses often go into the field all idealist and with altruistic motives but their interaction with the real world put a kibosh on that noise.

 

If there is a teacher amongst the jury she will vote guilty, because they believe that children are our future and our future is gone because the child Treyvon is dead.

Posted by: Minuteman at July 13, 2013 12:06 PM (P/TzR)

113

I'm   on   Nantucket   again   this  weekend!  Just  couldn't  stay  away! 

Posted by: John Kerry at July 13, 2013 12:06 PM (c4IyR)

114 97 Posted by: TanarUr at July 13, 2013 04:02 PM (S4N/h) Steadman will file that charge instantly.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:07 PM (+98Gb)

115 "Rolling Out" blog comment: "He bashed his head in? That's funny....the medical reports say that most of his "cuts and abrasions" didn't appear to be induced by someone else and didn't match the lesser abrasions he had when they finally brought him in. Ya see, Zimmerman beat his own head into the concrete according to "medical reports". Yo. Posted by: LC LaWedgie at July 13, 2013 03:51 PM (0It32) And Martin shot himself in shame.

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 13, 2013 12:07 PM (MhA4j)

116 95 Shit like this doesn't make me want to vacation in Florida. Posted by: fluffy at July 13, 2013 04:01 PM (z9HTb) Exactly. Any sort of guilty verdict should result in a nationwide boycott of the state of Florida. Not only tourism, but of any business headquartered in the state.

Posted by: rickl at July 13, 2013 12:07 PM (sdi6R)

117

Isn't the MS charge sooped up because a gun was involved. I think 15 + 15 or 15 + 10. It might as well be an M2 charge.

 

Fuckers.

 

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (This Can't be My Planet. Stop fooling around you guys) at July 13, 2013 04:05 PM (jopHG)

 

Manslaughter is souped up to 30 years only if the jury rules that the gun is instrumental.

 

That said, they'll go Murder 2.

Posted by: steveegg at July 13, 2013 12:07 PM (o44nj)

118 I once had a Canoe accident. I ran out and had to use Hai Karate. Ho Lee Fuk! Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 03:52 PM (+98Gb) You let airline pilot row canoe? Yo Dum Fok.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 12:07 PM (wR+pz)

119

First off, ask him why he prefers the europellet

Yes, you can hunt with one. Not optimal for larger game but you can still take them

Posted by: RWC at July 13, 2013 04:01 PM (8FeS+)

 

 

lol. Thinking of AZ 'pig'. Javelina. Also like that Mosin rebuild. What's  a decent price for a Mosin these days?

Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 12:07 PM (/7gW+)

120

Seems obvious that there's reasonable doubt.  Sorry if that makes people unhappy, but there it is.

 

Posted by: Cracka Gal at July 13, 2013 12:07 PM (uw9jr)

121 Just got done driving/passengering 300 miles, much of it through pouring rain. But now I'm home with a beer, wiping the memory of the drive swig by swig.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 13, 2013 12:08 PM (ZshNr)

122 Did anybody notice the black inter helping out the defense. I honestly never noticed until CNN told me that all eyes were focused on her throughout the trial. Funny how the 'post-racial' folks ALWAYS nitice race first.

Posted by: RWC at July 13, 2013 12:08 PM (8FeS+)

123  I think it will be a hung jury, nothing is harder than trying to change a woman's mind when she "knows" she's right.

Posted by: spypeach at July 13, 2013 03:39 PM (0n1+D)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

I thought that was only when a man was trying to change their minds.

Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2013 12:08 PM (oSsMU)

124 112 Posted by: Minuteman at July 13, 2013 04:06 PM (P/TzR) Five out of the six have relatives with some sort of law enforcement connection and have or know someone who owns a firearm. It's the sixth one, I think she's the nurse and happens to be black, who does not have that in her background. And she has several children. Do the math.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:09 PM (+98Gb)

125 "Negatory GhostRider. The trial went weeks. They should deliberate until they reach a unanimous decision. Keep at it and back at it day after day, review all the evidence and testimony" Count, that can't be due process for Z if it comes back Guilty. If it takes days, clearly there was a hold out and he got pressured.

Posted by: SH at July 13, 2013 12:09 PM (VmQpZ)

126 And Martin shot himself in shame. Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 13, 2013 04:07 PM

or Zimmerman tried to shoot himself in the head and missed.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at July 13, 2013 12:09 PM (0It32)

127 It's the sixth one, I think she's the nurse and happens to be black, who does not have that in her background. And she has several children. *** the only minority is a Latina.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 12:10 PM (jjvz+)

128 I said this earlier, fear the "Animal Handler". The rest look solid innocent. I think they are going through the stuff not to pressure anyone. Remember one has a lawyer husband and one has a lawyer son. Unless they are commie lawyers, a possibility, the women at least know what reasonable doubt is.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 12:10 PM (wR+pz)

129 What good is conceal carry if you are prosecuted for defending yourself with it? That is why I do not celebrate IL now having conceal carry. This gangster government would still prosecute you if you had to use it.

Posted by: Dan at July 13, 2013 12:10 PM (bxp5Z)

130 119 What's a decent price for a Mosin these days? Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 04:07 PM (/7gW+) Thought I saw one on sale for like a hundred bucks or so. Are they semi-auto or one shot at a time?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:10 PM (+98Gb)

131 I think there will be at least a couple who have crossed punks like Trayvon in their lifetime and have experienced fear coursing through their veins.

Hung jury.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 04:05 PM (jjvz+)

 

 

Unless they feel guilty about 'feeling fear' because...raaaaacist.

Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 12:10 PM (/7gW+)

132 130 What's a decent price for a Mosin these days? Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 04:07 PM (/7gW+) When I say one shot at a time, I mean fire, pull back bolt to reload, close bolt then fire again?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:11 PM (+98Gb)

133 78 Oh AmishDude, need a consult here. Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (This Can't be My Planet. Stop fooling around you guys) at July 13, 2013 03:52 PM (jopHG) Damn, I totally teed that one up, huh? Posted by: KG at July 13, 2013 03:57 PM (IPz9m) Yes. Yes you did.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 13, 2013 12:11 PM (xSegX)

134 "89 70 Where do you live that you need a license for a Model 1891 bolt action rifle?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 13, 2013 03:55 PM (31Nrp)


New York. I need a license to even think about getting a license.

Don't I???????

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 04:00 PM (+98Gb)"



Back when I was 18 living outside of Syracuse, I bought a Moisin-Nagant and it did not require a license.  Of course, I turned 18 a long time ago so laws may have changed.  I forgot how much it cost but it was less than $100 and I handed the cash to the guy in the gun store and walked out with it and a couple of boxes of Russian labeled ammunition.  I am not sure if there was even an instant check at the time.



In any event, it might be worth a visit to a local gun store today to learn what the law really is because if you can bring home a gun today, this might be a really good time to do so.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 13, 2013 12:11 PM (31Nrp)

135 And Martin shot himself in shame.

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 13, 2013 04:07 PM

or Zimmerman tried to shoot himself in the head and missed.




You see, what happened was, George Zimmerman was trying to defend himself from an extraterrestrial being who teleported back to the mother ship and he shot Martin by mistake!

Posted by: Erik Von Daniken at July 13, 2013 12:11 PM (Aif/5)

136 131 I think there will be at least a couple who have crossed punks like Trayvon in their lifetime and have experienced fear coursing through their veins. Hung jury. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 04:05 PM (jjvz+) Unless they feel guilty about 'feeling fear' because...raaaaacist. Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 04:10 PM (/7gW+) When I got mugged, I felt fear for until about 10 seconds after I got away. Then it was rage continuing for the next 32 years right up to now.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:12 PM (+98Gb)

137 This country needs more Joe Friday and less Oprah Winfrey.

Posted by: packsoldier at July 13, 2013 12:12 PM (qlbl2)

138 Wasn't the jury reminded that their personal info is a matter of public record?  So if they return anything other than 2nd degree murder, they know that they are in personal danger from the race hustlers.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 13, 2013 12:12 PM (9GG/0)

139 It's the sixth one, I think she's the nurse and happens to be black, who does not have that in her background. And she has several children. JJ no Blacks on jury. She is Hispanic.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 12:12 PM (wR+pz)

140 You see, what happened was, George Zimmerman was trying to defend himself from an extraterrestrial being who teleported back to the mother ship and he shot Martin by mistake!

Truth

Posted by: Baron Davis at July 13, 2013 12:13 PM (9GG/0)

141 Since the prosecution and defense were switching roles (prosecution arguing emotion and pushing for lesser included charges) I don't see why the defense couldn't have pushed for the lesser included charge of ... jaywalking. Do it. Put it in there. Jaywalking. The jury compromises and declares him guilty of jaywalking. He gets a fine of, what, $5? I figure, if we're going to have a mockery of a justice system, go whole hog.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 13, 2013 12:13 PM (xSegX)

142 139 JJ no Blacks on jury. She is Hispanic. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 04:12 PM (wR+pz) What kind; black or white? /s

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:13 PM (+98Gb)

143

 That would be cool if there was a really hot cat fight going on in that jury room.

 

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Or going around the room trading vajazzling tips.

Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2013 12:14 PM (oSsMU)

144 I think they are going through the stuff not to pressure anyone. Remember one has a lawyer husband and one has a lawyer son.

Unless they are commie lawyers, a possibility, the women at least know what reasonable doubt is.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 04:10 PM (wR+pz)

Interesting, hopefully they also have a clue as to how a manslaughter conviction can put GZ away for most of his natural life.  As a layman, I aways thought manslaughter meant "accidental" killing and ranged between 1-10 years.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 13, 2013 12:14 PM (UOjzE)

145 I told my youts that since I'm 57, lived over half my life, climbed mountains in winter, summer, fall and spring, hot air ballooned, traveled the country and the world, not to screw up their lives cause of something Obamas sons has done, leave it to the old man who can go all Clint Eastwood on their asses with more firepower than most of the punks has ever seen.
Count on Dat Mofos!

Posted by: Concealedkerry or Submitt at July 13, 2013 12:14 PM (uUXp6)

146 143 That would be cool if there was a really hot cat fight going on in that jury room. ---------------------------------------------------------- Or going around the room trading vajazzling tips. Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2013 04:14 PM (oSsMU) Pfft. They're probably reading Cosmo and buffing their nails.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:14 PM (+98Gb)

147 @99 I really don't think it's a woman thing...I think it is a person by person basis thing. For example, between my mom, myself, my sister, my aunt, and my (female) cousin, we all feel NG, NG...at work, I work with 10 females, and all of us say NG, NG, except for two weak-minded people who say, "Well, he should probably get SOMETHING" Not to mention all the women here. You could have 3 men and 3 women, or even 5 men and 1 woman...all it takes is that one person. And think about it, for all we know there could be five WOMEN in there fighting tooth and nail for a NG verdict. So again, I don't think it's a woman thing. As for the Latina from Chicago, my fear is she will have the mindset of, "I saw danger in the mean streets of Chicago all the time, feared for my life on a daily basis, and never shot anyone" and use that as her personal bar and not relent from that.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at July 13, 2013 12:15 PM (sZRSi)

148 That would be cool if there was a really hot cat fight going on in that jury room.

Jury Forewoman:

"Judge, we'd like some clarification on the testimony of Defense Witness #2.  And a really large case of D batteries."

Posted by: chemjeff at July 13, 2013 12:15 PM (9GG/0)

149 What kind; black or white? /s Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 04:13 PM (+98Gb) My guess? Medio.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 12:15 PM (wR+pz)

150 "Thank you, we have already counted your vote."
Well, that's good to know.

Clear cookies.


Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 13, 2013 12:15 PM (hfvY6)

151 144 As a layman, I aways thought manslaughter meant "accidental" killing and ranged between 1-10 years. Posted by: Serious Cat at July 13, 2013 04:14 PM (UOjzE) Isn't that involuntary manslaughter? It's like weather forecasts. What's the difference between partly cloudy and mostly sunny? Sheesh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:16 PM (+98Gb)

152 Not Guilty. Jurors take their job more serious than even they think they would prior to serving. The evidence not only establishes a reasonable doubt on all possible charges, it pretty much exonerates Zimmerman.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at July 13, 2013 12:17 PM (drXjQ)

153 When I got mugged, I felt fear for until about 10 seconds after I got away. Then it was rage continuing for the next 32 years right up to now.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 04:12 PM (+98Gb)

 

 

 

Good. I have no white guilt. nor guilt because well...Native Americans...or immigration. sorry fuck that shit. Was in Taos NM oohhh mid 70's having a drink in a bar while girlfriend shopped. Big brave sits down next to, kinda loaded, turns to me and says "you stole my land"...I was confused, said 'I don't even own a house".

Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 12:17 PM (/7gW+)

154

To the tune "Greensleeves":

 

What child is this lying in the grass?

Dissed by some cracka creepy assed.

White Hispanic by St. Treyvon was blessed

With Mixed Martial Arts a - pounding.

 

Ski  - ttles and purple drank,

Bling Bling grill and fat ho skank!

Treyvon Martin you had it all,

Before casing the homes of San - ford.

  

Posted by: Minuteman at July 13, 2013 12:18 PM (P/TzR)

155 Yes, you can hunt with one. Not optimal for larger game but you can still take them Posted by: RWC at July 13, 2013 04:01 PM (8FeS+) I was shocked to discover recently that, apparently, if stories can be believed, an Inuit took a Polar Bear (middling one) with a 5.56 (!). A full auto 5.56 (!). Would not have been my first choice (because penetration), but apparently it can be done. You could take a .50 Beowulf in that platform, though. That would do it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 13, 2013 12:18 PM (qyfb5)

156 Breaking: Jury has asked for bottle of Robitussin.

Posted by: USA at July 13, 2013 12:18 PM (VIaw0)

157 I think there will be at least a couple who have crossed punks like Trayvon in their lifetime and have experienced fear coursing through their veins. Hung jury. Yeah. Seems so by the brief bios. The Hispanic juror happened to be taking notes and wiping away a tear during the defense rebuttal so it looks like she was preparing to argue with the rest of the jury. By this time they must have some sense of how they're leaning, even if they "can't" discuss it.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 13, 2013 12:19 PM (xSegX)

158

 

i thought hung ju ree was one of the asiana pilots?

Posted by: kj at July 13, 2013 12:19 PM (kw7uo)

159

I think it will be a hung jury because some of these ladies will be ruled by emotion or fear of condemnation of their community, but at least one lady will see there is reasonable doubt and refuse to be bullied.

 

I never understood why they didn't move this to another county.  Jurors shouldn't be influenced by their fear of reprisals if the 'crowd' in their community is unhappy with the verdict if the prosecution didn't prove their case. 

 

Posted by: Typical white cracka at July 13, 2013 12:19 PM (uw9jr)

160 voluntary manslaughter is an intentional homicide done with heat of passion without premeditation.

Posted by: D. Hopper at July 13, 2013 12:20 PM (UsR5V)

161 I don't want to speculate, except I no longer adhere to the motto "better judged by twelve than carried by six." It's a toss-up now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 13, 2013 12:20 PM (qyfb5)

162 Has NYT told us how many Hispanics on jury are White Hispanics?

Posted by: USA at July 13, 2013 12:20 PM (VIaw0)

163 If there is a NG verdict do we get the humpbot humping a flaming skull notification? Can I get it on my smart phone?

Posted by: Concealedkerry or Submitt at July 13, 2013 12:20 PM (uUXp6)

164 JJ first you let a pilot row your canoe and lose you guns now you get mugged by we kic yo foker

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 12:20 PM (wR+pz)

165 and without justification/excuse.

Posted by: D. Hopper at July 13, 2013 12:20 PM (UsR5V)

166 153 Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 04:17 PM (/7gW+) My mom and family survived the death camps. Though entitled, she never took a penny of reparations (as if money could make amends for what she went through). So to all those "aggrieved" minorities who want perpetual payback, FUCK YOU.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:21 PM (+98Gb)

167 Hung jury but it's taking this much time because some a-hole is trying to convince everyone voting not guilty to "compromise" on some sort of guilty verdict. This whole thing happened because St Skittles decided to commit grievous harm on GZ by "ground and pound". Any other decision by St Skittles (run home, deck GZ and leave, wait for the cops) and he'd still be alive today. GZ is not guilty by reason of self-defense(and all the evidence) but the best he'll get is a hung jury.

Posted by: Victimman, The Most Powerful Victim in the Universe! at July 13, 2013 12:22 PM (ZR4Xh)

168 One day in the future, the word Traycist will come to the burning times.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (This Can't be My Planet. Stop fooling around you guys) at July 13, 2013 12:23 PM (jopHG)

169 Guy on Fox:  "The jury has to ask himself if Zimmerman needed to pull the trigger or wanted to pull the trigger".  Pretty sure if someone was straddling me and beating me it'd be both.

Posted by: Adam at July 13, 2013 12:23 PM (Aif/5)

170 143 That would be cool if there was a really hot cat fight going on in that jury room.
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Or going around the room trading vajazzling tips.

Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2013 04:14 PM (oSsMU)

 

 

I come here for this...and stay for the other stuff, like guns and 'hung ju ree' God help me, seriously you guys I need therapy. although and 'ettes, that's a good thing.

Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 12:24 PM (/7gW+)

171 Couldn't George have just let himself be beaten to death? Then Tray-Tor could have claimed society is to blame and Ron Kuby could have his time in the spotlight. Fuckin' guy had to go and shoot the little darling, and put us through all this aggro.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:24 PM (+98Gb)

172

114 97 Posted by: TanarUr at July 13, 2013 04:02 PM (S4N/h)


Steadman will file that charge instantly.

 

I am sure he has it all ready to go, but he will need to get the cameras and microphones set up for the press statement first.  Plus he won't want to step over the MSNBC scream-fest that will begin immediately in order to gin up outrage.  So I give it about 30 minutes.

 

BTW, I think the huge gap in the poll numbers above between what people belive to be true, and what they think will happen is refelective of a serious problem with the legal system in the USA these days.  We know Zimmerman in not guilty, but we expect he will be railroaded into some kind of guilty verdict.  The same was true of the gay marrige case.  Almost nobody I knew who thought that DOMA or Prop 8 were laws that in no way conlicted with the Constitution of the USA, as written and ammended, actually was shocked at the decision of the SCOTUS.  I think the Roberts sell out on ObamaCare pretty much shocked most people on the right into realizing that the legal system of the USA is just another tool for the statists to use in whatever way they see fit.

Posted by: TanarUr at July 13, 2013 12:24 PM (S4N/h)

173 They called it a hung jury as that is when they just hung the person charged over just shooting them. They where always gulity or they would not be in front of the jury. Hanging with a trap door fall was faster than a shooting or a slow Iran style hanging by pulling up with a crane.

Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at July 13, 2013 12:24 PM (c6tHt)

174 I am thinking no chance of guilty anything. innocent or hung. I don't think we should put any value on them taking their time. They know that they will be grilled when it's over. They don't want to hear the "Crackas were racist and didn't look at the facts. See they came right back." I expect Monday after lunch. Taco Bell take out.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 12:24 PM (wR+pz)

175 They are taking so long because they are trying to find the words "Ice Tea" on the can of watermelon juice. It has to be on there because the prosecution would never lie in court.

Posted by: Obamao at July 13, 2013 12:24 PM (e+pdj)

176 Any other decision by St Skittles (run home, deck GZ and leave, wait for the cops, say - 'Hi.  my name is Trayvon and I'm visiting my dad.') and he'd still be alive today.

Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2013 12:24 PM (urFvM)

177 I never understood why they didn't move this to another county. Jurors shouldn't be influenced by their fear of reprisals if the 'crowd' in their community is unhappy with the verdict ifthe prosecution didn't prove their case.

Posted by: Typical white cracka at July 13, 2013 04:19 PM (uw9jr)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

I think wherever this trial might have been held, the DOJ  as well as the race hustlers,  would have made sure of having angry crowds outside.

 

This trial  is more than  finding one man guilty or  innocent.  The regime wants this trial to set national policy.

Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2013 12:24 PM (oSsMU)

178 "The jury has to ask himself if Zimmerman needed to pull the trigger or wanted to pull the trigger". Did the jury instructions mention mind reading?

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (This Can't be My Planet. Stop fooling around you guys) at July 13, 2013 12:24 PM (jopHG)

179 " I think we have riots no matter what the verdict."

Eh, nobody is going to riot in favor of GZ.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 13, 2013 12:25 PM (9GG/0)

180 Big brave sits down next to, kinda loaded, turns to me and says "you stole my land"...I was confused, said 'I don't even own a house". Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 04:17 PM (/7gW+) Now I remember what I was going to do today! Go back through history and find all the grievances that tangentially or directly relate to my ancestors so I can ruin my life dwelling on them. 1) The Big Bang. Well, it was a huge explosion without which we would not have any other grievances, so let's start there... fuckin' big bang! 2)... You get the idea.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 13, 2013 12:25 PM (qyfb5)

181 "dissed 223/5.56 as a glorified varmint gun. True? I have no idea. Can I hunt with one, or strictly self defense?"

Some states won't allow you to hunt large (deer on up) sized game with a .223.

I personally would not use that for hunting even in a state where it was allowed.

Just not enough gun. Or, more correctly, not enough gun in my hands. There may be someone who is the reincarnation of Karamojo Bell who can always place that tiny bullet in exactly the right anatomical location to instantly and humanely accomplish the job, but I am not that individual.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 13, 2013 12:25 PM (gqT4g)

182 Y'all are more optimistic than I am.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking Radlers at July 13, 2013 12:26 PM (hO8IJ)

183 I voted not guilty and a hung jury because I see someone dragging their heels for a conviction even though the other 5 want an acquittal.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 13, 2013 12:26 PM (WQhht)

184 Does Florida use alternate jurors?  Any chance a lone hold out could get the boot?

Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at July 13, 2013 12:26 PM (kxSZr)

185 Mark Steyn: "But if Floridians are of a mind to let off a little steam, they might usefully burn down the Sanford courthouse and salt the earth. The justice system revealed by this squalid trial is worth rioting over." ©MARK STEYN

Posted by: USA at July 13, 2013 12:26 PM (VIaw0)

186 If only things happened as fast as law and order portrays.

Posted by: SH at July 13, 2013 12:26 PM (VmQpZ)

187 Don Lemon of CNN was gushing about how one of the prosecutors was nicknamed "McDreamy" and there's fluff pieces about his "charm and million dollar smile"

These are likely LIV type jurors who will be swayed by a car salesman's smile

Guilty, also because the fix was in

Posted by: kbdabear at July 13, 2013 12:26 PM (/9IC1)

188 Twitter from a news-babe: "Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV RT @DanaChaabanWFTV: Setup for 6 female jurors if they decide to speak to media pic.twitter.com/6B3Au3mBFO #zimmermanon9" Only if the vote to convict. Is the media wish-casting or do they think the jurors are that stupid as to let their faces be seen if they acquit/hang jury?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:27 PM (+98Gb)

189 If GZ is acquitted, (and I at this point don't think he will be) IÂ’m sure he could get a lot of people to support him financially as he moves to another country. HeÂ’d probably be pretty safe in small towns in Red States or small towns, or anyplace with few of HolderÂ’s thugs.

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 12:27 PM (eTqV5)

190 "80 Looking at 'Assault Weapons' on Armslist and someone had a 9mm and dissed 223/5.56 as a glorified varmint gun. True? I have no idea. Can I hunt with one, or strictly self defense?

Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 03:58 PM (/7gW+)"



It depends on what state you live in and what you are hunting.  The .223/5.56 has a lot more energy than the 9mm.  In the case of both cartridges, the bullet it is loaded with can make a lot of difference.  Both 9mm and .223/5.56 are available with full metal jacket bullets as used by the military in order to comply with the 1899 Hague Convention.  Both are also available with a variety of soft point and hollow point bullets.  All things being equal, full metal jacket will tend to penetrate deeper and hollow point bullets will tend to expand, transferring energy into what they hit as well as increasing their diameter and the likelihood of hitting something important like an artery.



The .223/5.56 has the additional effectiveness in that while it is stable in air, in a denser medium it is unstable and will tend to assume a base first orientation.  If the bullet is traveling faster than 2700 feet per second when it changes orientation, it will tend to break apart causing multiple wound tracks and much more internal damage than might be expected just looking at the ballistics.  The thing is that with the shorter barreled rifles that are so popular today (yes, that shorter barrel really is convenient) the muzzle velocity is only about 2800 feet per second and beyond 100 yards or so the velocity has dropped below 2700 feet per second so that the bullet will still upset but it will not break apart.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 13, 2013 12:27 PM (31Nrp)

191 The team name that offends me is the White Sox.

Posted by: Sum Ting Wong at July 13, 2013 12:28 PM (bL8vG)

192 I voted with the majority of you. I'm not sure what that means especially since I haven't started drinking yet.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2013 12:28 PM (V1ZIU)

193 >>>Hanging chads and hung juries. Actually, I recall there was a pron actor who went by the name Hung Chad, or something like that. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 03:49 PM (+98Gb)<<<<<<< There was a porn star named Governor Splitz-er

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 12:28 PM (eTqV5)

194 185 Does Florida use alternate jurors? Any chance a lone hold out could get the boot? Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at July 13, 2013 04:26 PM (kxSZr) I understand there are 6 alternates, but what are the rules governing replacing a juror? Surely it wouldn't be because their hung up. It would have to be because a juror did something illegal or was ill. No more than that, right? Oh boy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:28 PM (+98Gb)

195 I'm also voting that AllenG is actually Mark Steyn.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2013 12:29 PM (V1ZIU)

196 What's up with that poll? I can't believe that many morons would vote guilty. In fact, I find it difficult to believe that almost 2,000 morons voted in the short time the poll was up. Is someone fucking with it? I want a full fucking investigation.

Posted by: waldo at July 13, 2013 12:29 PM (cjFRv)

197 Any other decision by St Skittles (run home, deck GZ and leave, wait for the cops, say - 'Hi. my name is Trayvon and I'm visiting my dad.') and he'd still be alive today.

***

Wait, he knew who his dad was?

Posted by: cool arrow at July 13, 2013 12:29 PM (WMsq+)

198 I think they'l go for second degree murder, because they believe Zimmerman provoked Martin and could have defended himself without using his gun. Even if he was legally permitted to carry the gun, the jury will figure he was looking for trouble, not responding to a threat, because that's been painted as racist. I think the defense has totally dropped the ball on this case.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 13, 2013 12:29 PM (AVaK2)

199 I do not think they're letting fear of riots worry them or they'd have been back sooner with a Guilty verdict. Based on my 72 year old mother who thinks he is not guilty but because Martin is dead there ought to be SOME charge, I think they're arguing over NG vs MS. And please don't hate my mama, she is starting to get old and frail and forgetful! Does anyone have any idea what all the jury instructions might say? Sometimes there are very specific things in those that make it less cut and dried than it seems to be.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 12:30 PM (Pb0zF)

200 166 So to all those "aggrieved" minorities who want perpetual payback, FUCK YOU.

No shit. As a Native American whose Great Grandmother literally signed off half of Oklahoma - all I ask for is:

Free firewater.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 13, 2013 12:31 PM (pgQxn)

201 I think the hung jury is actually the optimal outcome for the prosecution/state. The hung jury doesn't give enough outrage to do proper riots. There's a promise of a trial to come. By that time, people will have moved on. The activists will pay attention, but they won't be able to get the same level of outrage. By the second trial, a less prosecution-friendly judge (it's impossible not to have one) will let in the more adult Trayvon Facebook photos and a prosecution will be even less likely.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 13, 2013 12:31 PM (xSegX)

202 199 Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 13, 2013 04:29 PM (AVaK2) I'm not sure about acquittal, but you're delusional. Or being sarcastic.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:31 PM (+98Gb)

203 I'm also voting that AllenG is actually Mark Steyn. Can't be. Mark Steyn has a blog.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (This Can't be My Planet. Stop fooling around you guys) at July 13, 2013 12:31 PM (jopHG)

204 It is indeed a strange world we live in where OJ is acquitted and someone like George Zimmerman could be  found guilty.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 13, 2013 12:32 PM (ADnWI)

205 24 From some libtards:

"Comment From Movin Forward
Is another possibility a retrial (if GZ is acquitted) due to prosecutors not doing their job adequately. If Justice is not served by this process then there must be some way to get it."

"Comment From Sally"
If GZ is acquitted it's a perfect time for me to get the new iPhone. #riots


"Comment from GZ's a dirtbag"

If the jurors find GZ naa guilty, there adreses needed to posted for all to see an they need to wear paper bags the rest they lifes.
Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 03:43 PM

Yet Don Lemon went on a long rant how raaaccciiissst we all are for expecting riots.

Posted by: kbdabear at July 13, 2013 12:32 PM (/9IC1)

206

As long as we are playinng "what if".  

What do you suppose would have happened if TM had rendered GZ unconscious or dead from the head on concrete, and then reached GZ's gun?  Would he have taken the gun and run off?  Would he have stayed at the scene to tell his story to the police? 

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 13, 2013 12:32 PM (mvenn)

207 So to all those "aggrieved" minorities who want perpetual payback, FUCK YOU.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 04:21 PM (+98Gb)

 

 

I'm still trying to figure out when Italians became 'white.'

Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 12:32 PM (/7gW+)

208 201 No shit. As a Native American whose Great Grandmother literally signed off half of Oklahoma - all I ask for is: Free firewater. Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 13, 2013 04:31 PM (pgQxn) You got it chief, er, I mean, buddy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:33 PM (+98Gb)

209

Count, that can't be due process for Z if it comes back Guilty. If it takes days, clearly there was a hold out and he got pressured.

 

Reasoning with someone, keeping the focus on the (lack) of evidence is not pressuring.  The (all female)  jurors will have   cuntpunted their duty if they let a holdout for Guilty not clearly explain how  she arrived at "beyond a reasonable doubt" in light of all the non-evidence against GZ and all the substantial evidence in favor of Not Guilty for GZ.  Maybe the holdout doesn't want to admit  it or face it and the other jurors are needed to help convince her.  Over and over again.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 13, 2013 12:33 PM (BAS5M)

210 206

And this is now a Country where being a jury member could mean you have to hide for the rest of your short life.

Thanks, TFG.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 13, 2013 12:34 PM (pgQxn)

211 Posted by: AmishDude at July 13, 2013 04:31 PM (xSegX) Your naivete is charming, dear one.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 12:34 PM (Pb0zF)

212 208 I'm still trying to figure outwhen Italians became 'white.' Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 04:32 PM (/7gW+) Ha! As for the others, as Victor Stracci once famously said, "they're animals anyway so let them lose their souls..."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:34 PM (+98Gb)

213 Based on my 72 year old mother who thinks he is not guilty but because Martin is dead there ought to be SOME charge, Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 04:30 PM (Pb0zF) No hate, but this is why we can't have nice things.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 13, 2013 12:34 PM (qyfb5)

214 Yea try to get 2 women to agree on anything, let alone 6, We will be waiting till 2014.

Posted by: Coldwarrior57 at July 13, 2013 12:34 PM (rO5kl)

215 Response to "What law specifically did Zimmerman break?"   "Trayvon was someone's son".

.... cause Zimmerman wasn't?     My actual response: "So was Hitler, Manson, Pol Pot, etc.   Some people's kids deserve killing"

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 at July 13, 2013 12:35 PM (KE8zQ)

216 ark Steyn has an article up on NRO about the Zimmerman trial. He point out something in our system that needs fixing - the ability of the DA to bring multiple counts, basically throwing the book at a guy and hoping something sticks. I would have a "one count rule" where only one charge can be brought, and no double jeopardy or civil suits. Needs more thought, obviously, but what we have now sucks.

Posted by: En Raged at July 13, 2013 12:35 PM (QZvo7)

217 Weather's great out here today, btw.  I expect a spate of homicides tonight that will be blamed on white people, rich people, Mitch Daniels, Richard Mourdock, Mike Pence, George Bush, people who live outside Marion County, the humidity....everyone and everything but the shooters and the people who fucked them into being but didn't bother to raise them.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking Radlers at July 13, 2013 12:35 PM (hO8IJ)

218 I understand there are 6 alternates, but what are the rules governing replacing a juror? Surely it wouldn't be because their hung up. It would have to be because a juror did something illegal or was ill. No more than that, right?

Oh boy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 04:28 PM (+98Gb)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

I wonder if a juror could be replaced if, you know, she fell down and hit her head  really hard.

Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2013 12:36 PM (oSsMU)

219 Corey and Nelson have been having a lesbian affair. How do I know this? Matching toe rings.

Posted by: waldo at July 13, 2013 12:36 PM (cjFRv)

220 Hubby and I have decided to only vacation in red states. Too bad Florida.

Posted by: Jmel at July 13, 2013 12:36 PM (cfFqn)

221 What do you suppose would have happened if TM had rendered GZ unconscious or dead from the head on concrete, and then reached GZ's gun? Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 13, 2013 04:32 PM (mvenn) Well, I'll tell you one thing, Preezy McJugears and the DOJ Grievance Backup Singers would not have made it a national story.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 13, 2013 12:36 PM (qyfb5)

222 Ha! As for the others, as Victor Stracci once famously said, "they're animals anyway so let them lose their souls..."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 04:34 PM (+98Gb)

 

 

Eye-talians are very passionate JJ. lol!

Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 12:36 PM (/7gW+)

223 Is it just me or is anyone else's guts churning like they did on election night or when John Roberts stabbed us in the face?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:36 PM (+98Gb)

224 216 .... cause Zimmerman wasn't? My actual response: "So was Hitler, Manson, Pol Pot, etc. Some Most people's kids deserve killing"

FIFY.


Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 13, 2013 12:37 PM (pgQxn)

225 223 Eye-talians are very passionate JJ. lol! Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 04:36 PM (/7gW+) Half-Hungarian. Red, white and green horizontally.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:37 PM (+98Gb)

226 Nap. keep the fire burning all. Later.

Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 12:37 PM (/7gW+)

227 What do you suppose would have happened if TM had rendered GZ unconscious or dead from the head on concrete, and then reached GZ's gun?



That's one for the cables.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at July 13, 2013 12:37 PM (Aif/5)

228

Is it just me or is anyone else's guts churning like they did on election night or when John Roberts stabbed us in the face?

 

Not just you.

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 13, 2013 12:37 PM (GSVmp)

229 The judge, Chris Farley, dismissed the  three alternate jurors at the end of the trial.  They are assumed "tainted" now and can't be used to replace any misbehaving juror.  It would have to be declared a mistrial if a juror misbehaves now.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 13, 2013 12:37 PM (BAS5M)

230 Would he have stayed at the scene to tell his story to the police? Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 13, 2013 04:32 PM (mvenn) If he had, I wouldn't have convicted him, either. In fact I often wonder if seeing the gun isn't why he started smashing Z's head into the sidewalk. He might have been pretty fucking scared himself at that point. Not saying that's what happened, just theorizing.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 12:37 PM (Pb0zF)

231 if the results are anything but GZ walking out a free man, they system will have failed.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 13, 2013 12:38 PM (8MasJ)

232 The number of people voting doesn't shock me. I noticed that phenomenon at Althouse s couple years ago when she put up a poll about something, with just the usual couple dozen commenters there, and it got like 600 hits in 10 minutes. I asked, and sure enough, that was pretty normal. Lurkers outnumber posters by a lot more than I'd thought.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 13, 2013 12:38 PM (ZshNr)

233 Can anyone tell me if the rash of local robberies stopped?

Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2013 12:38 PM (4iiS2)

234 221 Hubby and I have decided to only vacation in red states. Too bad Florida. Posted by: Jmel at July 13, 2013 04:36 PM (cfFqn) Fuck. I was considering moving to Sarasota.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:38 PM (+98Gb)

235 What do you suppose would have happened if TM had rendered GZ unconscious or dead from the head on concrete, and then reached GZ's gun? GZs gun would have eventually been used in a drive by.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (This Can't be My Planet. Stop fooling around you guys) at July 13, 2013 12:38 PM (jopHG)

236 Posted by: Count de Monet at July 13, 2013 04:37 PM (BAS5M) Is a hung jury a mistrial? I can never keep that straight.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 12:39 PM (Pb0zF)

237 "161 I don't want to speculate, except I no longer adhere to the motto "better judged by twelve than carried by six."

It's a toss-up now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at July 13, 2013 04:20 PM (qyfb5)"



Well, in Florida it is apparently judged by six or carried by six.  Perhaps you are considering the option that western land owners have adopted when dealing with endangered species eating their livestock which is, "shoot, shovel, shut up".

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 13, 2013 12:39 PM (31Nrp)

238 I wouldn't vacation in Florida or Italy.

Posted by: waldo at July 13, 2013 12:39 PM (cjFRv)

239 225 My actual response: "So was Hitler, Manson, Pol Pot, etc. Some Most people's kids deserve killing"

FIFY.
Clutch Cargo (pgQxn)

Yeah, THAT. 

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 12:39 PM (KE8zQ)

240 "But if Floridians are of a mind to let off a little steam, they might usefully burn down the Sanford courthouse and salt the earth. The justice system revealed by this squalid trial is worth rioting over." ©MARK STEYN Mark Steyn is on Team AmishDude!

Posted by: AmishDude at July 13, 2013 12:39 PM (xSegX)

241 >> Andy you magnificent bastard! Yes! I'll get all the details on that from Phat and post them in a gun thread soon.

Posted by: Andy at July 13, 2013 12:39 PM (li+aS)

242 It's raining down here.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Double-Naught International Cat Speculator at July 13, 2013 12:40 PM (0HooB)

243 I went for the Not Guilty, Hung Jury vote also. The last part doesn't give me any satisfaction, just the way I'm seeing it.


Posted by: HH at July 13, 2013 12:40 PM (XXwdv)

244 Yea try to get 2 women to agree on anything, let alone 6,

It's real easy to get them to move in packs, though. Especially against another woman.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking Radlers at July 13, 2013 12:40 PM (hO8IJ)

245 GZs gun would have eventually been used in a drive by.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (This Can't be My Planet. Stop fooling around you guys) at July 13, 2013 04:38 PM (jopHG)

 

 

*****

 

After showing up on TM's Farcebook page in a gangsta pose.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 13, 2013 12:40 PM (mvenn)

246 231 Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 04:37 PM (Pb0zF) No way of knowing. I would think Tray-tor was in a "drank" induced rage and couldn't have seen the gun, especially since GZ was pulling it out of his field of vision. He's on top, at eye-level or so and would not have seen the gun. Just conjecture.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:40 PM (+98Gb)

247 Is it just me or is anyone else's guts churning like they did on election night or when John Roberts stabbed us in the face? Not just you. Posted by: Grey Fox at July 13, 2013 04:37 PM (GSVmp) That makes three of us, which is why I think he's going down on MS at least. And guilty of 2nd degree would not surprise me.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 12:41 PM (Pb0zF)

248 Every Zimmerman thread is a gun thread: Just bought a 33rd mag across state lines. Suck it Maryland.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 13, 2013 12:41 PM (X4HxX)

249 Mark Steyn is on Team AmishDude!

That's hawt.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking Radlers at July 13, 2013 12:41 PM (hO8IJ)

250 245 Yea try to get 2 women to agree on anything, let alone 6, It's real easy to get them to move in packs, though. Especially against another woman. Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking Radlers at July 13, 2013 04:40 PM (hO8IJ) Democrat congress-critters. They hunt the country in packs. QED.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:41 PM (+98Gb)

251

>>> It's real easy to get them to move in packs, though.

 

Just order dessert...or announce that you need to go to the restroom.

Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2013 12:42 PM (4iiS2)

252 I wish we'd had an option of "charges should never have been leveled and this is a crock of shite. "   But, alas.

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 12:42 PM (KE8zQ)

253 OT-  So, can somebody enlighten me?  At what point in the process of gender reassignment therapy  of a man becoming a woman does the patient stop leaving the toilet seat up?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 13, 2013 12:42 PM (mvenn)

254 >> Is a hung jury a mistrial? I can never keep that straight. It's a subset. The result is the same in that the defendant can be retried.

Posted by: Andy at July 13, 2013 12:42 PM (li+aS)

255 I'm still trying to figure outwhen Italians became 'white.'

Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at July 13, 2013 04:32 PM (/7gW+)


I don't know, I'll full Italian and I'm pretty fucking white. Maybe its the north Italian genes. My one grandmother was so white her name might as well have been Ingrid. We have blue eyed blondes in the family.

Posted by: Berserker at July 13, 2013 12:42 PM (FMbng)

256

Fuck. I was considering moving to Sarasota.

 

Don't.    If you're considering   that part of Florida, I suggest Bradenton. It's far more Moron-friendly.   Personal experience.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Double-Naught International Cat Speculator at July 13, 2013 12:43 PM (0HooB)

257 If Zimmerman goes to prison, I'm sending him 10.00 a week.  

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 12:43 PM (KE8zQ)

258 Is a hung jury a mistrial? I can never keep that straight.

 

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 04:39 PM (Pb0zF)

 

IANAL, but I did watch Paper Chase and  Perry Mason on the TeeVee.  They are different things but have similar results.  The case can be retried at the Prosecutor's discretion.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 13, 2013 12:43 PM (BAS5M)

259 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 04:40 PM (+98Gb) I thought Z said at one point T saw and was going for the gun and told him he was gonna die? I wasn't sure I believed that' it's what you gotta say to prove you were in fear for your life. Nor do I believe T was in any more of a rage than any other man fighting, but I do believe Z was afraid for his life, because getting your head slammed into the sidewalk can kill you, even if that wasn't T's intent.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 12:43 PM (Pb0zF)

260 "235 221 Hubby and I have decided to only vacation in red states. Too bad Florida.
Posted by: Jmel at July 13, 2013 04:36 PM (cfFqn)


Fuck. I was considering moving to Sarasota.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 04:38 PM (+98Gb)"



Well, if you like the Gulf Coast, you might consider the Corpus Christi area of Texas.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 13, 2013 12:43 PM (31Nrp)

261 Not saying that's what happened, just theorizing.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 04:37 PM (Pb0zF)


Traytable went back to GZ... I don't think it was to invite him to tea.

Posted by: KG at July 13, 2013 12:44 PM (IPz9m)

262 If Zimmerman goes to prison, I'm sending him 10.00 a week. They'll kill him in general population.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (This Can't be My Planet. Stop fooling around you guys) at July 13, 2013 12:44 PM (jopHG)

263 You got it chief, er, I mean, buddy. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 04:33 PM (+98Gb) So JJ you letting him into "THE tribe"? He'll need circumcising.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 12:44 PM (wR+pz)

264 212 Posted by: AmishDude at July 13, 2013 04:31 PM (xSegX) Your naivete is charming, dear one. Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 04:34 PM (Pb0zF) I should have mentioned one more thing. Conviction will bring appeal which will in fairly high probability either resulting in vacating the verdict or calling a mistrial (which could allow for another trial). If you're in central FL, the retrial will be a big deal, but it's done as a major national cable news story. They won't rehash all the same evidence again.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 13, 2013 12:45 PM (xSegX)

265 254 "OT- So, can somebody enlighten me? At what point in the process of gender reassignment therapy of a man becoming a woman does the patient stop leaving the toilet seat up?" Posted by: Seamus Muldoon

...just like Times Square on New Years Eve.

-When the balls drop.

Posted by: Slapweasel at July 13, 2013 12:45 PM (lq3Ak)

266

233 " Lurkers outnumber posters by a lot more than I'd thought."

Most of us are lurkers, but due to sites like this - we sound like political geniuses at work.

Comment threads are always excellent sources of mirth. I only wish I could come up with some of the lines I read here.

Posted by: PMRich at July 13, 2013 12:45 PM (KDUNf)

267 261 Well, if you like the Gulf Coast, you might consider the Corpus Christi area of Texas. Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 13, 2013 04:43 PM (31Nrp) Wifey is a major lefty. She's not too keen on FL and TX for her is like garlic to a vampire. Too bad. Maybe I should dump her. Yeah!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:46 PM (+98Gb)

268
They'll kill him in general population.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (This Can't be My Planet. Stop fooling around you guys) at July 13, 2013 04:44 PM (jopHG)

Here's to hoping that he's just "hispanic" enough to get in with a good crowd.

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 12:46 PM (KE8zQ)

269 I must admit the longer this goes on the more I think this jury will come back hung.

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 12:46 PM (eTqV5)

270 NC is redder than it's been in years (at least as far as elected Republicans vs. Dems go) and there are a bunch of great communities on the Coast. Nice mix of surfer dude/Southern charm ambience.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 13, 2013 12:46 PM (ZshNr)

271 The thing that boggles the mind is that the crime wave in Sanford has not abated one bit, and the Sanford PD are still overwhelmed by it, and, utterly incredibly, the Sanford PD are out there asking for civilian volunteers to help.

As though anyone in their right mind would ever again want to volunteer in any capacity whatsoever after seeing how GZ has been treated.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 13, 2013 12:46 PM (gqT4g)

272 267 I only wish I could come up with some of the lines I read here. Posted by: PMRich at July 13, 2013 04:45 PM (KDUNf) Practice, practice, practice.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:46 PM (+98Gb)

273 I dd that wrong.  I denounce myself.

Posted by: Slapweasel at July 13, 2013 12:46 PM (lq3Ak)

274 It struck me last night that the leftists are using threat of rioting to attack the right to bear arms and an innocent man has already spent months in jail.  This is not about GZ, its about saying "no you can't really bear arms and defend yourself,  we may let you have the firearms as salve to your feelings but regardless of the constitution and the local laws we will attack you if you dare to use them." 

Posted by: PaleRider at July 13, 2013 12:47 PM (5CusZ)

275 How long have deliberations been going?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 13, 2013 12:47 PM (4XER9)

276

224Is it just me or is anyone else's guts churning like they did on election night or when John Roberts stabbed us in the face?

Not at all.  The Roberts sell-out was when I realized that there is no longer any "Justice" system in the USA anymore.  The law and the courts are just another avenue to advance the liberal-statist agenda when other avenues are either not available or not convenient.  I wasn't even nervous about the DOMA and Prop 8 decisions either.  I was 99.9% certain that the decision would be similar to the one that was given.  In fact, my only shock was due to the fact that same-sex "marriage" wasn't mandated by SCOTUS in all 50 states and DC.  Bu that is for the next case, which should come along in about 2-3 years.

Posted by: TanarUr at July 13, 2013 12:48 PM (S4N/h)

277 Wifey is a major lefty. She's not too keen on FL and TX for her is like garlic to a vampire. Too bad.

Maybe I should dump her. Yeah!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 04:46 PM (+98Gb)

Texas is great, until you get to Austin. 

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 12:48 PM (KE8zQ)

278 I thought Z said at one point T saw and was going for the gun and told him he was gonna die? .... Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 04:43 PM We isolated the screams for help in our audio lab... They escalate in pitch... The last "HELP" is higher pitched and louder than the previous cry by 200%+

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 13, 2013 12:48 PM (MhA4j)

279 264 So JJ you letting him into "THE tribe"? He'll need circumcising. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 04:44 PM (wR+pz) I was going to do the Richard Harris claw chest suspension ritual from "A Man Called Horse." It's in the Talmud, along with how to cook a nice gedempte fleish.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:48 PM (+98Gb)

280 This wouldn't stop me from moving to FL at all. But all the child molesters and deviants in general sure as the hell would. To say nothing of the 229 percent humidity and flying cockroaches bigger than hummingbirds.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 12:48 PM (Pb0zF)

281 How long have deliberations been going? Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 13, 2013 04:47 PM (4XER9) Not as long as it seems. 10-11 hours (over two days)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 13, 2013 12:49 PM (qyfb5)

282 I only wish I could come up with some of the lines I read here.

Practice, practice, practice.

Yup. I was terrified as first, but it got easier   Welcome aboard!

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking Radlers at July 13, 2013 12:49 PM (hO8IJ)

283 Death Wish marathon on AMC. Someone has a sense of timing!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 12:49 PM (wR+pz)

284 Conviction -- 100% Of what -- I dunno. Sentence: 20 yrs. The jury will be out several days.

Posted by: ah Clem at July 13, 2013 12:49 PM (tOkJB)

285 278 Texas is great, until you get to Austin. Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 04:48 PM (KE8zQ) Don't kill me, but I actually sort of liked Austin, at least to visit. LOVED the surrounding hill country. Had friends who lived in Dripping Springs.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:49 PM (+98Gb)

286 How long have deliberations been going?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 13, 2013 04:47 PM (4XER9)



Went 3&1/2 hours yesterday, started at 9 this morning and took an hour or so break.  So about 10-10&1/2 hours. 

Posted by: Adam at July 13, 2013 12:50 PM (Aif/5)

287 Here's to hoping that he's just "hispanic" enough to get in with a good crowd.
Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 04:46 PM

The prisoners self-segregate. He'll be in with the Hispanic prisoners who have no great love for the blacks

Posted by: kbdabear at July 13, 2013 12:50 PM (/9IC1)

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 13, 2013 12:50 PM (tOkJB)

289 Funny how Present Race Baiter and that other stooge in the DOJ jumped in at the beginning. Will these two race pimps say anything after the verdict?

Posted by: YIKES! at July 13, 2013 12:50 PM (mETGQ)

290 Ok, I'm switching my vote to hung jury.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 13, 2013 12:50 PM (4XER9)

291 In fact I often wonder if seeing the gun isn't why he started smashing Z's head into the sidewalk. He might have been pretty fucking scared himself at that point. Not saying that's what happened, just theorizing. Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 04:37 PM (Pb0zF) no, he was punching his face with fists and bashing his head against the sidewalk,THEN saw the gun TM's response was "tonight you die" or something like that. after GZ shot TM TM said "you got me" from the pic of TM's hoodie could have nicked his heart, so quickly fatal

Posted by: Jake in ID-aquavit at July 13, 2013 12:50 PM (6LImX)

292 Real "journalists" at the Tampa Bay Times:

"Zimmerman shot a 17-year-old in February 2012. Now a jury will try to decide whether the dead boy deserved it."

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 12:51 PM (KE8zQ)

293 I only wish I could come up with some of the lines I read here. Just remember to post the best ones just at the end of a dead thread. That's my secret.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (This Can't be My Planet. Stop fooling around you guys) at July 13, 2013 12:51 PM (jopHG)

294 If he get convicted of anything that sends him to the big house, he'll get a shiv in the shower within a year.  So the jury will be guilty of murder.  I hope they sleep well after giving "Justice for Traytabble".

Posted by: Paladin at July 13, 2013 12:51 PM (LtaK3)

295 Posted by: PMRich at July 13, 2013 04:45 PM (KDUNf) Welcome! Please stick around and comment now. The hardest part is over.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 12:51 PM (Pb0zF)

296 288 He'll be in with the Hispanic prisoners who have no great love for the blacks Posted by: kbdabear at July 13, 2013 04:50 PM (/9IC1) He'll be a hero with them... until someone wants him to bend over for the soap.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:51 PM (+98Gb)

297 "Will these two race pimps say anything after the verdict?" The Florida jurors acted stupidly.

Posted by: Bobo the Jugeared Clown at July 13, 2013 12:52 PM (4XER9)

298 All you blaming florida need to remember the police chief was fired because he would not press charges against Zimmerman.  The detective on the case was demoted because he didn't see a need to press charges in the case.  The feds came in and made this a case.  Then they stirred up the feral urban african americans to make this into a race incident.  Meanwhile every day in Chicago a hispanic kills an african american.

Posted by: jerry's kid at July 13, 2013 12:52 PM (f9yTl)

299 I'm going with hung jury, which won't do..., my peeps want blood.

Posted by: Madame DeFarge at July 13, 2013 12:52 PM (aDwsi)

300

Here's to hoping that he's just "hispanic" enough to get in with a good crowd.

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 04:46 PM (KE8zQ)

 

He is not Mexican enough to get protection from the Mexican Mafia.  If you ever want to see racists, just talk to gang members.  e.g. Mafia, Russian Mafia, Tongs, White Power gangs.  Their gangs are all based on race and ethnic genealogy. 

Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 12:52 PM (D+lxs)

301 Don't kill me, but I actually sort of liked Austin, at least to visit. LOVED the surrounding hill country. Had friends who lived in Dripping Springs.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 04:49 PM (+98Gb)

The food isn't bad, but the hipster dumbasses will make you stabby.

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 12:52 PM (KE8zQ)

302 I voted hung jury.  With the evidence presented and the race card played by the prosecutor I'm guessing there is at least one hold-out against Zimmerman.  For these women it may be hard to get past the images they saw, before being selected, of Martin as a nice little boy.  And then there are the media and the President's comments.  If any of them have sons/brothers/etc. who may have had even minor run-ins with the law when they were young then Zimmerman could be in trouble.

Posted by: Deanna at July 13, 2013 12:53 PM (7biV5)

303 To say nothing of the 229 percent humidity and flying cockroaches bigger than hummingbirds.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 04:48 PM (Pb0zF)

 

*****

 

 

Speaking of hummingbirds, they have been really active at our feeder this week.  One of the really territorial males actually killed one of the others near the feeder. 

 

 

 

 

 

I think it was hummer-cide.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 13, 2013 12:53 PM (mvenn)

304 The poll's shaping up about like I thought it would ... not much confidence in the jury doing the right thing.

Posted by: Andy at July 13, 2013 12:53 PM (li+aS)

305 Then they stirred up and financed  the feral urban african americans to make this into a race incident. Meanwhile every day in Chicago a hispanic kills an african american.
Posted by: jerry's kid
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Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 12:53 PM (aDwsi)

306 297 Why don't I protect the innocent? Posted by: God at July 13, 2013 04:51 PM (cLnoG) Here's your chance. Sir.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:53 PM (+98Gb)

307 He is in fact not Mexican at all, good grief.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 12:53 PM (Pb0zF)

308

How long have deliberations been going?

 

According to the  local TV bug, 10:27:52 as I type.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Double-Naught International Cat Speculator at July 13, 2013 12:54 PM (0HooB)

309 "The food isn't bad, but the hipster dumbasses will make you stabby." Are they as bad as Asheville, NC? Cause those hipster wonderfucks make me worse than stabby.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 13, 2013 12:54 PM (4XER9)

310 If the jury is hung this is stupid, if it's guilty it's evil. Basically. Because they have to judge the evidence at the trial, and you couldn't hang a hat on the prosecution's case, PERIOD. You can have your own private conspiracy theories and psychic hotline insights into somebody's motives, but if a jury bases its decision on that, the law is fucked and I'd rather not have a jury.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 13, 2013 12:54 PM (qyfb5)

311

Real "journalists" at the Tampa Bay Times:

"Zimmerman shot a 17-year-old in February 2012. Now a jury will try to decide whether the dead boy deserved it."

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 04:51 PM (KE8zQ)

 

That is actually a good summary.   was killing Trayvon Justifiable or Not?

Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 12:54 PM (D+lxs)

312 All you blaming florida need to remember the police chief was fired because he would not press charges against Zimmerman. This is very true. But I lived in Orlando for a while and at least there, it sucked for other reasons. Not enough to bring the hate I guess. This one lands squarely on the Choom gang and the wannabes like Angela Corey.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (This Can't be My Planet. Stop fooling around you guys) at July 13, 2013 12:55 PM (jopHG)

313 Welcome! Please stick around and comment now. The hardest part is over. Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 04:51 PM (Pb0 No it's not. He has to come up with a better sock.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 12:55 PM (wR+pz)

314 I'm hoping that at lest one of those women have some common sense and vote not guilty causing a hung jury, I'm sure the DA will opt to re-try, but this time Z's Att, has more ammunition and they will find it hard to find anyone who hasn't heard of it...I fear it's the best he can hope for. If they decide on manslaughter because they think it's a lesser jail sentence they will be shocked...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 12:55 PM (9+ccr)

315 He is not Mexican enough to get protection from the Mexican Mafia. If you ever want to see racists, just talk to gang members. e.g. Mafia, Russian Mafia, Tongs, White Power gangs. Their gangs are all based on race and ethnic genealogy.

Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 04:52 PM (D+lxs)

Maybe there are some nice Jewish boys he could  bunk with?  

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 12:55 PM (KE8zQ)

316 Don't kill me, but I actually sort of liked Austin, at least to visit. LOVED the surrounding hill country. Had friends who lived in Dripping Springs. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 04:49 PM (+98Gb) Dripping Springs sounds like the name of a leper colony.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2013 12:55 PM (V1ZIU)

317

 245 Yea try to get 2 women to agree on anything, let alone 6,
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

They would all get up and go to the bathroom at the same time.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 13, 2013 12:55 PM (jucos)

318 Speaking of hummingbirds, they have been really active at our feeder this week. One of the really territorial males actually killed one of the others near the feeder. I think it was hummer-cide. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 13, 2013 04:53 PM (mvenn) Was the feeder filled with watermelon iced tea and Skittles?

Posted by: Victimman, The Most Powerful Victim in the Universe! at July 13, 2013 12:55 PM (ZR4Xh)

319 >>>>>Zimmerman has argued all along he acted in self-defense, although he passed up chance for a self-defense "stand your ground" hearing in which a judge could have thrown out the case without it going to a jury if the judge was convinced there was enough evidence to support it. ----------------------- Why did GZ pass up on the stand your ground hearing? Seems like a mistake.

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 12:56 PM (eTqV5)

320 Dripping Springs sounds like the name of a leper colony. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2013 04:55 PM Or a whore house

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 13, 2013 12:56 PM (MhA4j)

321 At the time I voted, there were actually 16 'I would vote Guilty: Murder 2 votes'.

Holy Jesus Buttfuck there's some stupid fuckers out there.

Probably goddamn Canadians.

From Quebec.

Posted by: Rowdy Higlander Rabble at July 13, 2013 12:56 PM (1fe4V)

322 I am hoping for a hung jury. Maybee no riots that way. Posted by: Picric at July 13, 2013 03:35 PM (afl2h) Yep, It's not like they riot over NBA championships or rumors of free Obama money.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 12:56 PM (XIxXP)

323 I honestly think it's going to be down to whether they think Z should have stayed in his truck. That is another point mama keeps mentioning. Do the instructions for MS make a provision for consideration of who is the agressor?

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 12:56 PM (Pb0zF)

324 297 Why don't I protect the innocent? Posted by: God at July 13, 2013 04:51 PM (cLnoG) Because free will?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2013 12:56 PM (V1ZIU)

325 Maybe there are some nice Jewish boys he could bunk with? Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 04:55 PM (KE8zQ) Madoff is in Federal prison, so he's no help.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 12:57 PM (wR+pz)

326 I feel like I am sitting around waiting for someone to die.  I hate that feeling. 

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 13, 2013 12:57 PM (OSARm)

327 If he get convicted of anything that sends him to the big house, he'll get a shiv in the shower within a year. So the jury will be guilty of murder. I hope they sleep well after giving "Justice for Traytabble". Posted by: Paladin at July 13, 2013 04:51 PM (LtaK3) If he goes to prison he'll hang out with the Latinos. Offing a brother will be a badge of honor to them. People don't realize how much Blacks and Latinos despise each other in prison let alone in the real world.

Posted by: YIKES! at July 13, 2013 12:57 PM (mETGQ)

328 Are they as bad as Asheville, NC? Cause those hipster wonderfucks make me worse than stabby.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 13, 2013 04:54 PM (4XER9)

Other than visiting Biltmore, I'm not familiar with the crowd scene, but I'm gonna wager YES on this.   Austin has a spectacularly douchey hipster population.

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 12:58 PM (KE8zQ)

329 Because free will? Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2013 04:56 PM (V1ZIU) Yep, God doesn't protect us, he built the OPPORTUNITY of common sense into the machine.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 12:58 PM (XIxXP)

330 303 Posted by: Deanna at July 13, 2013 04:53 PM (7biV5) Even I fell for the innocent black kid bit for a few minutes when this case broke. But little by little, as facts came trickling out of the MFM embargo, it became obvious that at the minimum, this kid was not who they were portraying him to be and GZ was not the evil vigilante Klansman he was portrayed to be. And after hearing all the testimony from even the prosecution witnesses that exploded their case, there really is no way a reasonable, thoughtful person can vote to convict GZ on anything. The X factors will be if they or their families have been threatened/intimidated and if one person on that jury is leftist enough to either hang the jury or is a powerful enough force to get them to convict on one of the charges. And there it is.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 12:58 PM (+98Gb)

331 I voted Not Guilty in both.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 13, 2013 12:58 PM (ZshNr)

332 (cLnoG) can one of the CoB's run this hash?

Posted by: Jake in ID-aquavit at July 13, 2013 12:58 PM (6LImX)

333 If the jury does convict (I figure on the lesser included offense if so), the amazingly clumsy Judge Chris Farley has already laid the reversible-error groundwork for an inevitable, and probably successful, appeal.

The question is if Zimmerman can survive behind bars pending said appeal.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 13, 2013 12:58 PM (gqT4g)

334 To say nothing of the 229 percent humidity and flying cockroaches bigger than hummingbirds.
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor
---------

Had to take down our Hummingbird feeder after being raided twice by bears. Seems they have a sweet tooth. In both instances, they chewed up the plastic reservoir. Bears - 2, Hummingbirds - 0

Hmm. Causes me to wonder if the bear(s) had come during the day, rather than night, if the Hummingbirds would have attacked. I'm thinking the score would have been the same.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 12:59 PM (aDwsi)

335


Why did GZ pass up on the stand your ground hearing?


Seems like a mistake.

 

 

Did you see the judge he got for his trial? 

That.

Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2013 12:59 PM (uZdja)

336 Madoff is in Federal prison, so he's no help.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 04:57 PM (wR+pz)
Damn.

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 12:59 PM (KE8zQ)

337 The question is if Zimmerman can survive behind bars pending said appeal. Posted by: torquewrench at July 13, 2013 04:58 PM (gqT4g) They'll put him in solitary. It'll suck.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 12:59 PM (XIxXP)

338

Zimmerman was a wanna-be cop, because if he was a cop he never would have been charged.

Posted by: Obamao at July 13, 2013 12:59 PM (e+pdj)

339 324 I honestly think it's going to be down to whether they think Z should have stayed in his truck. That is another point mama keeps mentioning. Do the instructions for MS make a provision for consideration of who is the agressor? Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 04:56 PM (Pb0zF) And T could have just as easily gone into his father's girlfriend's condo. It is NOT illegal to follow someone by car or by foot. Which is what the defense argued to be included in the jury instructions. The judge asked him to prove that it wasn't illegal.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 13, 2013 01:00 PM (X6akg)

340 I have the ugly feeling that a hung jury will be the result of only ONE of the women holding out. That one holdout is standing upon the facts and evidence ... the others are voting as they feel ... for fairness ... There's a reason (maybe several) why we are a nation , civilization and culture of Written Laws ... it is to prevent dictatorial/activist judges, politically-motivated prosecutors, and feeble minded jurors from doing as they please. Note to self: if ever in front of a judge and jury, make certain to stand upon the written law, to force decisions, to prevent extraneous garbage ... preferably to force a judicial verdict of Not Guilty.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 13, 2013 01:00 PM (FlRtG)

341

As soon as Choomboy stepped in with his "if I had a son...." comment, I knew this wouldn't end well for  Z or  the nation.

 

The fix is in.

Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2013 01:00 PM (oSsMU)

342 Has Skittles come out yet with a memorial Voltron flavor? If you are thinking "chocolate" you are just a racist.

Posted by: George Orwell half in the bag at July 13, 2013 01:00 PM (mCNwt)

343 Hillary is innocent, I know this because the nice Lady with the lying eye's , from the State Department said so...Maybe she should be on Zimmerman's Jury ?

Posted by: Dusty in Pheonix at July 13, 2013 01:00 PM (qc1Ie)

344 @329 Asheville is not just hipster it is the white trash ghey lesbo tattoo shit. Imagine 50 homeless 20 somethings playing guitars and begging. Asheville.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:00 PM (wR+pz)

345

Poll? ...I don't see a poll. Is there a poll?

 

Posted by: wheatie at July 13, 2013 01:00 PM (oBreQ)

346 Think there will be riots after a hung jury? If there's a hung jury I can predict with 100% certainty there will be a riot somewhere.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 13, 2013 01:00 PM (tOkJB)

347 I have the ugly feeling that a hung jury will be the result of only ONE of the women holding out. Gosh. I wonder who.

Posted by: George Orwell half in the bag at July 13, 2013 01:01 PM (mCNwt)

348 I voted Matt Damon.

Posted by: Matt Damon at July 13, 2013 01:01 PM (Aif/5)

349 The kittehs must be fed. They told me so. Back in ten. Make sure the jury stays out until I return...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:01 PM (+98Gb)

350 You can have your own private conspiracy theories and psychic hotline insights into somebody's motives, but if a jury bases its decision on that, the law is fucked and I'd rather not have a jury. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at July 13, 2013 04:54 PM
=================================================

I served on a hung jury where exactly that happened. Without going into detail, the two hold-outs kept talking about their feelings and the way the defendant acted in the courtroom and how his family supported him and on and on.  The judge finally gave up and called it a hung jury. The guy was never retried, don't know why.  It was a small county court so who knows.

Posted by: Deanna at July 13, 2013 01:01 PM (7biV5)

351 Had to take down our Hummingbird feeder after being raided twice by bears. Seems they have a sweet tooth. In both instances, they chewed up the plastic reservoir. ....... Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 04:59 PM Put some back up but put a capped plastic bottle inside with Trinidad Chiles Sauce in it.

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 13, 2013 01:02 PM (MhA4j)

352 Imagine 50 homeless 20 somethings playing guitars and begging. Asheville. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 05:00 PM (wR+pz) I'll bet they all have a Bachelors in arts and 60K in student loan debt.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:02 PM (XIxXP)

353

232if the results are anything but GZ walking out a free man, they system will have failed.

The system has already failed.  The original non-prosecution of the case looks like it was right on the money, according to the facts.  Then the usual suspects started ginning up the race baiting machine, the MSM flashed a photo of cute 12 year old Trayvon 24-7, the federal government went down and instigated protests, the Governor of FL wet his pants and appointed a complete hack as special procecutor, they bypassed the grand jury, the prosecution withheld evidence from the defense, the judge had made up her mind before the trial started that there was no way the case wasn't going to go to the jury for a verdict, (or she was told, but from her performance I don't think she needed special instructions), and I bet dollars to donuts that any NG verdict will result in a civil rights charge being brought against Zimmerman by our lovely "Justice" department.

 

All that is evidence of not just a system that has failed George Zimmerman in this particular case, but one that is, to use an academic expression, seriously F***ed up.

Posted by: TanarUr at July 13, 2013 01:02 PM (S4N/h)

354 Its probably weighted towards innocent. I would think that would benefit him, especially if the next jury instruction is needed to be given (the Allen charge). Whih basicly says this - if you're stuck and you're the minority, pull head from ass. There's a reason your the minority.

Posted by: UWP at July 13, 2013 01:02 PM (r98SZ)

355 Asheville is not just hipster it is the white trash ghey lesbo tattoo shit.

Imagine 50 homeless 20 somethings playing guitars and begging.

Asheville.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 05:00 PM (wR+pz)

So, the drum circles are FANTASTIC?

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:02 PM (KE8zQ)

356 Tami, I agree totally, I'm just mentioning it because that's what my mom keeps chewing on, and I wouldn't be surprised of a few of the 6 aren't of a similar mind. This judge was ungodly.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 01:03 PM (Pb0zF)

357 The worst part of this if he is found guilty is he should never have been tried in the first place...If these women do this I hope they realize for the rest of their lives that they put an innocent man in jail for "emotional" reasons...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 01:03 PM (9+ccr)

358 Causes me to wonder if the bear(s) had come during the day, rather than night, if the Hummingbirds would have attacked. I'm thinking the score would have been the same.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 04:59 PM (aDwsi)

 

 

***

 

Perhaps so, but it would have been fun to watch. 

 

I'm getting  an "angry King Kong Bear on the Empire State Bldg"  sort of vibe,   with him   swatting at the hummingbird armada. 

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 13, 2013 01:03 PM (mvenn)

359 We love the Gulf Coast. We took the kids to Destin in 2006 ( back when Florida was red). It's close to Ft. Walton(?) and sometimes the black hawk helicopters would fly close to the beach and wave at the kids. I miss that America...

Posted by: Jmel at July 13, 2013 01:03 PM (cfFqn)

360 LOL, Mike!

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 01:03 PM (Pb0zF)

361 Asheville, also home to Warren Wilson College, ranked the most liberal in the nation by everybody.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:04 PM (wR+pz)

362 >>Had to take down our Hummingbird feeder after being raided twice by bears. Seems they have a sweet tooth. In both instances, they chewed up the plastic reservoir.<<



Us too.  Then yesterday we found the biggest black bear track I have ever seen about 50 yards behind the house.  So glad I got my bear harvest tag this year.  They have really been a pain since they woke up this spring.

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 13, 2013 01:04 PM (OSARm)

363 "Even I fell for the innocent black kid bit for a few minutes when this case broke."

I didn't. Not even for one second.

Because before the Martyrdom of Saint Treyvon, I had already witnessed the Martyrdom of Saint Rodney King, the Martyrdom of Saint Orenthal James Simpson, the Martyrdom of Saint Crystal Mangum, and the Martyrdom of Saint Oscar Grant.

And I just don't buy the race-hustlers' line any longer after all of those farces of "justice".

Posted by: torquewrench at July 13, 2013 01:04 PM (gqT4g)

364 I've been to Asheville once, for a weekend. It was in the middle of the Occupy garbage. Hundreds of grubby, smelly fucks wandering around.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 13, 2013 01:04 PM (ZshNr)

365 This judge was ungodly. Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 05:03 PM (Pb0zF) She is sooooo hot! That helmet hair makes a bulg in my pants hubba hubba Id hit it 3 times

Posted by: moron #3 at July 13, 2013 01:04 PM (6LImX)

366 The judge asked him to prove that it wasn't illegal. Posted by: Tami at July 13, 2013 05:00 PM (X6akg) That which is not mandatory is forbidden, comrade.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 13, 2013 01:04 PM (qyfb5)

367 These broads are still arguing about who's gonna be foreman, with at least two of them threatening to quit if the position isn't renamed foreperson.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at July 13, 2013 01:05 PM (29vnO)

368 So, the drum circles are FANTASTIC? Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 05:02 PM (KE8zQ) If you can stand the smell of unwashed unshaven hippie women with sagging tits.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:06 PM (wR+pz)

369 Are they as bad as Asheville, NC? Cause those hipster wonderfucks make me worse than stabby. Posted by: Burn the Witch
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You should have to live with them. It follows, of course, that the hyper-progressive City Council is rapidly destroying the town. Taxes = up, Utilities = up. Natives are being driven out, services are deteriorating, police force totally fucked up. 'Homeless' flock here like pigeons, as do the Mud People.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 01:06 PM (aDwsi)

370 Put some back up but put a capped plastic bottle inside with Trinidad Chiles Sauce in it. Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at July 13, 2013 05:02 PM (MhA4j) Somebody wants a capped plastic bottle of Trinidad Chile Sauce shoved up his ass. and then eaten cuz he'd be all nice and spicy.

Posted by: The Bears at July 13, 2013 01:07 PM (ZR4Xh)

371 As her husband, I'd have to say, vote guilty, then don't come home. If you're bitch enough to do that to a guy for winning a fight he didn't start, stay TF away from me. Probably a good thing I don't have a wife on the jury.

Posted by: UWP at July 13, 2013 01:07 PM (r98SZ)

372 Someone made a request?

Posted by: Atari Teenage Riot at July 13, 2013 01:08 PM (1fe4V)

373 Oh dear God, Mike...Mud People?

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 01:08 PM (Pb0zF)

374 357 Tami, I agree totally, I'm just mentioning it because that's what my mom keeps chewing on, and I wouldn't be surprised of a few of the 6 aren't of a similar mind. This judge was ungodly. Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 05:03 PM (Pb0zF) That's why I think O'Mara going silent for 4 minutes during his closing argument to point out how long Trayvon had to get home. And apropos of nothing....how long do ribs take on the grill? I can't remember.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 13, 2013 01:08 PM (X6akg)

375 If you can stand the smell of unwashed unshaven hippie women with sagging tits.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 05:06 PM (wR+pz)

I've been to Bonnaroo, I'll pass on this.


Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:08 PM (KE8zQ)

376

>>> If you can stand the smell of unwashed unshaven hippie women with sagging tits.

 

Why do they shun the bra?  Nobody wants tube sock tittehs.  Nobody.

Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2013 01:08 PM (uZdja)

377 I think there's actually one part of the debased English legal system we should adopt, if only because it would help explain the system to idiots. Three verdicts: Guilty, Case Not Proven, and Innocent. I see an *appalling* amount of confusion regarding what a "not guilty" verdict means, because on average even people who are not stupid are not as well-informed as they think they are.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 13, 2013 01:08 PM (qyfb5)

378

90 : Reverse OJ verdict, same stupid jury.

Yup.  Unfortunately, sounds about right.

If the kid's black, you can't fight back......

Posted by: djm1992 at July 13, 2013 01:09 PM (PiFiT)

379 Med heat 15 min a side then sauce three minutes a side.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:09 PM (XIxXP)

380 The X factors will be if they or their families have been threatened/intimidated and if one person on that jury is leftist enough to either hang the jury or is a powerful enough force to get them to convict on one of the charges.

And there it is.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 04:58 PM
=================================================

Look at it this way.  How many of those women were influenced by Obama's comment?   How hard is it not to picture Martin as an innocent angel if even the President wanted him for a son?   And they may have been intimidated, if not directly, through their families.

Posted by: Deanna at July 13, 2013 01:09 PM (7biV5)

381 If Z is lucky, at least one other woman is getting tired of one of the strident "Guilty" ones, and will complain to the judge. Perhaps then we will have a sabe alternate, who will follow he written law, and some sanity: a Not Guilty verdict.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 13, 2013 01:10 PM (FlRtG)

382 Somebody wants a capped plastic bottle of Trinidad Chile Sauce shoved up his ass. and then eaten cuz he'd be all nice and spicy. Posted by: The Bears at July 13, 2013 05:07 PM (ZR4Xh) LOL. I am in a trout club near Blowing Rock. We have a sort of cabin that is open and we leave shit in, like salt pepper mustard, etc. Bears got in it about three years ago and drank a bottle of Tabasco. They have NOT been back.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:10 PM (wR+pz)

383 He is not Mexican enough to get protection from the Mexican Mafia. If you ever want to see racists, just talk to gang members. e.g. Mafia, Russian Mafia, Tongs, White Power gangs. Their gangs are all based on race and ethnic genealogy. Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 04:52 PM (D+lxs) From what I've read the Aryan Brotherhood is more a bunch of thugs motivated by profit nowadays rather than any kind of ideology. There's plenty of money in drug-dealing and racketeering, and not so much in race wars.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at July 13, 2013 01:10 PM (9dvi9)

384 In my opinion anyone bringing feelings into a jury deliberation room ought to be brought up on charges of jury tampering. But hey I'm a reich wing nut so what do I know?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2013 01:10 PM (V1ZIU)

385 Look at it this way. How many of those women were influenced by Obama's comment? How hard is it not to picture Martin as an innocent angel if even the President wanted him for a son? And they may have been intimidated, if not directly, through their families. *** I think those cardboard cut-outs went a long way towards dispelling the little kid narrative. He was a big dude compared t GZ.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 01:11 PM (jjvz+)

386

If it's a hung jury...will they do it again, with a different Judge?

 

Posted by: wheatie at July 13, 2013 01:11 PM (oBreQ)

387  Its probably weighted towards innocent. I would think that would benefit him, especially if the next jury instruction is needed to be given (the Allen charge). Whih basicly says this - if you're stuck and you're the minority, pull head from ass. There's a reason your the minority.

Posted by: UWP at July 13, 2013 05:02 PM (r98SZ)

 

 

--------------------------------------

 

 

BWAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: De Judge at July 13, 2013 01:11 PM (oSsMU)

388 That's why I think O'Mara going silent for 4 minutes during his closing argument to point out how long Trayvon had to get home. VERY effective, I thought. We'll see. And I have no idea, I am not the grillmaster in our home. Someone will help soon, I know.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 01:11 PM (Pb0zF)

389 Why do they shun the bra? Nobody wants tube sock tittehs. Nobody.

Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2013 05:08 PM (uZdja)

As a woman I have to admit, it's the first thing to go when I get to homebase.   Conversely, it's the first thing to go on before I leave.     YMMMV

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:11 PM (KE8zQ)

390 The jury consultant that was just n FNC said that the jurors may be swayed by Guys good looks. How insulting.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 01:11 PM (jjvz+)

391 From what I've read the Aryan Brotherhood is more a bunch of thugs motivated by profit nowadays rather than any kind of ideology. Say it isn't so. Even the Aryan Brotherhood has gone bad?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:12 PM (XIxXP)

392 Us too. Then yesterday we found the biggest black bear track I have ever seen about 50 yards behind the house. So glad I got my bear harvest tag this year. They have really been a pain since they woke up this spring.
Posted by: Muad'dib
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I only worry about the sows with cubs..., but two neighbors have mentioned an especially large lone bear presumed to be male. Both thought it was 300 lbs. or so, which makes it a pretty hefty bear. I have had one surprise night encounter while walking the dog. Somewhat startling when one is not prepared for it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 01:12 PM (aDwsi)

393 "I think there's actually one part of the debased English legal system we should adopt, if only because it would help explain the system to idiots. Three verdicts: Guilty, Case Not Proven, and Innocent."

I thought that "not proven" verdicts were a feature of Scottish law, not English.

I also remember Snarlin' Arlen Specter saying he was voting "not proven" on the glaringly obvious question of whether or not Bill Clinton had perjured himself, which was *amazingly* chickenshit of him. But then again, consider the source.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 13, 2013 01:12 PM (gqT4g)

394 From what I've read the Aryan Brotherhood is more a bunch of thugs motivated by profit nowadays rather than any kind of ideology. There's plenty of money in drug-dealing and racketeering, and not so much in race wars.

***

I'd pay good money to watch Nazi thugs vs. ghetto thugs to the death on PPV.

Posted by: cool arrow at July 13, 2013 01:12 PM (WMsq+)

395 If it's a hung jury...will they do it again, with a different Judge? *** Corey will try and force him into a deal but, if he doesn't accept, and he won't, she will retry him.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 01:12 PM (jjvz+)

396 As a woman I have to admit, it's the first thing to go when I get to homebase. Conversely, it's the first thing to go on before I leave. YMMMV Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 05:11 PM (KE8zQ) wait ! What?

Posted by: moron #3 at July 13, 2013 01:12 PM (6LImX)

397
I think those cardboard cut-outs went a long way towards dispelling the little kid narrative. He was a big dude compared t GZ.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 05:11 PM (jjvz+)

TRAYVON IS NOT A PIECE OF CARDBOARD!

Posted by: Prosecutor Guy at July 13, 2013 01:13 PM (UOjzE)

398 Yes, vote to convict because the lawyer is so dreamy

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 01:13 PM (8sCoq)

399 392 Say it isn't so. Even the Aryan Brotherhood has gone bad? Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 05:12 PM (XIxXP) I'll bet their lawyers have names like Cohen, Meyerowitz and Dubinsky.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:13 PM (+98Gb)

400 TRAYVON DON'T SURF

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 01:14 PM (8sCoq)

401 Orlando Sentinel ‏@orlandosentinel 6h George Zimmerman trial: Report: Teen arrested over Zimmerman tweet http://thesent.nl/15aptYF

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 01:14 PM (jjvz+)

402 TRAYVON IS NOT A PIECE OF CARDBOARD! There's no place to put the Skittles.

Posted by: George Orwell half in the bag at July 13, 2013 01:14 PM (mCNwt)

403 As a woman I have to admit, it's the first thing to go when I get to homebase. Conversely, it's the first thing to go on before I leave. YMMMV Mrs, Sailor too. She does the flashdance thing right out of her shirt.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:14 PM (XIxXP)

404 >>I only worry about the sows with cubs..., but two neighbors have mentioned an especially large lone bear presumed to be male. Both thought it was 300 lbs. or so, which makes it a pretty hefty bear. I have had one surprise night encounter while walking the dog. Somewhat startling when one is not prepared for it.<<



We have had 3 bear attacks on people in the area this spring/summer.  All 3 started with a dog pissing off the bear and then running back to their owners when the shit got real. 



* Don't Come!  Don't Come!  Oh Shit! *

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 13, 2013 01:14 PM (OSARm)

405

I've seen  the "GZ shoulda stayed in  his truck and because he didn't, everything that transpired afterwards is  his responsibility, so Guilty of M2, MS at the least" argument both at Kos and Huffer.  A lot.

 

While I  see how they connect the dots with that, it doesn't rise to the level necessary to convict GZ.  As MOM said in his closing - the self defense argument, if not negated beyond a reasonable doubt, triumphs and GZ goes free.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 13, 2013 01:15 PM (BAS5M)

406 I'll bet their lawyers have names like Cohen, Meyerowitz and Dubinsky. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 05:13 PM (+98Gb) NOOOOO!!!!!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:15 PM (XIxXP)

407

320>>>>> Zimmerman has argued all along he acted in self-defense, although he passed up chance for a self-defense "stand your ground" hearing in which a judge could have thrown out the case without it going to a jury if the judge was convinced there was enough evidence to support it.

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Why did GZ pass up on the stand your ground hearing?


Seems like a mistake.

 

 

Not so sure.  I don't think there is any way in hell that a judge was going to be the one that didn't let this case go to a jury.  If the defense is at all smart, they would have known this, and having the stand your ground hearing being not granted would have been a strike against Zimmerman.

Posted by: TanarUr at July 13, 2013 01:15 PM (S4N/h)

408 If he spends 1day in prison he's fu@#$d.....no pun intended!

Posted by: johnnycochran at July 13, 2013 01:15 PM (na3fP)

409 380 Med heat 15 min a side then sauce three minutes a side. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 05:09 PM (XIxXP) Thank you OSP! How's the little tonsilless OSP-ette doing?

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 13, 2013 01:15 PM (X6akg)

410

396...Corey will try and force him into a deal but, if he doesn't accept, and he won't, she will retry him.

 

But would Z get a new Judge in the re-trial?

Do you know?

 

Posted by: wheatie at July 13, 2013 01:15 PM (oBreQ)

411 wait !

What? Posted by: moron #3 at July 13, 2013 05:12 PM (6LImX)

Not tube socks!  Get your mind outta the gutter! 

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:15 PM (KE8zQ)

412 I think those cardboard cut-outs went a long way towards dispelling the little kid narrative. He was a big dude compared t GZ. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 05:11 PM
================================================

Hopefully.  But to a whole lot of mothers their son is still a little boy and can do no wrong.  That Obama comment bothered me a lot. Not because of Obama, he's a race hustler so no surprise there.   But because of the effect on the possibility of a fair trial anywhere after that.

Posted by: Deanna at July 13, 2013 01:15 PM (7biV5)

413 As a woman I have to admit, it's the first thing to go when I get to homebase. Conversely, it's the first thing to go on before I leave. YMMMV Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 05:11 PM (KE8zQ) I am just the opposite. I only take it off for bathing and debauchery. I can't sleep without one on.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 01:15 PM (Pb0zF)

414 Someone at L.I. just noted that the deliberation time has now surpassed that of the Casey Anthony circus.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:16 PM (+98Gb)

415 * Don't Come! Don't Come! Oh Shit! * Posted by: Muad'dib at July 13, 2013 05:14 PM (OSARm) sucks to be unarmed

Posted by: Jake in ID-aquavit at July 13, 2013 01:16 PM (6LImX)

416 .Corey will try and force him into a deal but, if he doesn't accept, and he won't, she will retry him. Well, that could work out better for Z. Imagine a more Bias Judge. Not Possible.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:16 PM (XIxXP)

417 Speaking of bears, my son shot a 528 lb one in Swan Co(Eastern NC) last fall. The fucking head and paws are still in my freezer.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:16 PM (wR+pz)

418 Karla Ray ‏@KRayWFTV 4m Stilt walkers just showed up. Now it really is a circus. #Zimmermanon9 #WFTV9

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 01:16 PM (jjvz+)

419

* Don't Come! Don't Come! Oh Shit! *

 

...said every Moron during sex.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Double-Naught International Cat Speculator at July 13, 2013 01:16 PM (0HooB)

420
Mrs, Sailor too. She does the flashdance thing right out of her shirt.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 05:14 PM (XIxXP)

Smart woman!   RELEASE THE HOUNDS
Nobody needs to be harnessed at home. 

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:17 PM (KE8zQ)

421 In my opinion anyone bringing feelings into a jury deliberation room ought to be brought up on charges of jury tampering.
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I have been on one jury where two of the members manifested overt distrust of the police, NOT, mind you, based on anything to do with the case or the evidence presented. They were inclined to question evidence that even the Defense did not question.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 01:17 PM (aDwsi)

422 405 * Don't Come! Don't Come! Oh Shit! * Posted by: Muad'dib at July 13, 2013 05:14 PM (OSARm) And this is why the Womyn lefties want free condoms.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:17 PM (+98Gb)

423 What did the Tweet say, NDH, if you don't mind? I'm on phone, can't go to links.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 13, 2013 01:17 PM (ZshNr)

424 Geraldo Rivera ‏@GeraldoRivera 2m

Crowd is growing outside courthouse as jury enters 12th hour of deliberation-nerve-wracking

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 01:17 PM (8sCoq)

425 We have had 3 bear attacks on people in the area this spring/summer.



I could have helped you with that.


http://tinyurl.com/koby7f2

Posted by: RI Reporter at July 13, 2013 01:17 PM (Aif/5)

426 I am just the opposite. I only take it off for bathing and debauchery. I can't sleep without one on.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 05:15 PM (Pb0zF)

o_0   I know several women like this.  I will NEVER understand it. 

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:18 PM (KE8zQ)

427 But would Z get a new Judge in the re-trial? Do you know? *** I do believe he would get a new judge. I'd have to verify that.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 01:18 PM (jjvz+)

428 We have had 3 bear attacks on people in the area this spring/summer. Side arms are your friend.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:18 PM (XIxXP)

429 The fucking head and paws are still in my freezer. Posted by: Billy Bob
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The joys of parenthood.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 01:18 PM (aDwsi)

430

The jury consultant that was just n FNC said that the jurors may be swayed by Guys good looks.

How insulting.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 05:11 PM (jjvz+)

 

Wait until one of them actually says that on TV. 

O'mara should have had a young black or female attorney do some of the direct or cross examinations. 

Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 01:18 PM (D+lxs)

431 Those 6 women will have to convict of manslaughter or put their lives and their families' lives in danger, just like the Zimmermans will be in danger if George were to be acquitted. I don't believe those women will be brave enough to acquit, and will find an emotional excuse to convict. They cannot acquit unless they are ready to relocate to Alaska, change their and the dog's names, new hair color for all....

Posted by: twolaneflash at July 13, 2013 01:18 PM (a07QB)

432 428 But would Z get a new Judge in the re-trial? Do you know? *** I do believe he would get a new judge. I'd have to verify that. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 05:18 PM (jjvz+) I believe he would as well. Or the lawyers better demand one.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:19 PM (+98Gb)

433 Monday after lunch. They won't work on Sunday.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:19 PM (wR+pz)

434 "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 too." In today's Amerika I'm not sure that's the better choice. Flee to a place where Rule of Law prevails, like China.

Posted by: En Raged at July 13, 2013 01:19 PM (QZvo7)

435 We have had 3 bear attacks on people in the area this spring/summer.


Side arms are your friend. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin
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Aren't you in upstate SC?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 01:19 PM (aDwsi)

436 >>418 Speaking of bears, my son shot a 528 lb one in Swan Co(Eastern NC) last fall.

The fucking head and paws are still in my freezer.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 05:16 PM (wR+pz)<<




Holy cow!  That is huge.  A lady about 30 miles north f me shot a 700+ lb black bear last year.  That was the biggest black bear I ever saw.



http://tinyurl.com/9ygzpmq

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 13, 2013 01:20 PM (OSARm)

437 The joys of parenthood. Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 05:18 PM (aDwsi) He's 26! Too lazy to move it to his place.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:20 PM (wR+pz)

438

Geraldo Rivera þ@GeraldoRivera 2m

 -- 'Crowd is growing outside courthouse as jury enters 12th hour of deliberation-nerve-wracking'

 

 

'If this continues...who will Feed my Koi!?'

Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2013 01:20 PM (uZdja)

439 and the people outside are itching to riot, because Saturday night's alright for fightin'

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 01:20 PM (8sCoq)

440 O'mara should have had a young black or female attorney do some of the direct or cross examinations. Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 05:18 PM (D+lxs) Yeah, there is nothing a 40-60 year old woman loves more than a sexy shit hot brilliant blonde.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:20 PM (XIxXP)

441 The jury consultant that was just n FNC said that the jurors may be swayed by Guys good looks.

How insulting.Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 05:11 PM (jjvz+)

I think the Statue of Liberty just fell over. 

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:20 PM (KE8zQ)

442 Gravity's a cruel bitch.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking Radlers at July 13, 2013 01:20 PM (hO8IJ)

443 432 Those 6 women will have to convict of manslaughter or put their lives and their families' lives in danger, just like the Zimmermans will be in danger if George were to be acquitted. I don't believe those women will be brave enough to acquit, and will find an emotional excuse to convict. They cannot acquit unless they are ready to relocate to Alaska, change their and the dog's names, new hair color for all.... Posted by: twolaneflash at July 13, 2013 05:18 PM (a07QB) I don't know. I bet there is at least ONE of them who will be brave enough to do the right thing. The fact that I have to say this about America is sickening.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:20 PM (+98Gb)

444 C'mon jury- call it not guilty and LET'S LIGHT THIS CANDLE

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 01:21 PM (8sCoq)

445 443 Gravity's a cruel bitch. Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking Radlers at July 13, 2013 05:20 PM (hO8IJ) It don't do wonders for those of us with the XY chromosomes either, toots.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:21 PM (+98Gb)

446 Posted by: twolaneflash at July 13, 2013 05:18 PM (a07QB) They have been sequestered throughout this trial. I don't think they even know the shit storm that is building.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:21 PM (XIxXP)

447 Gravity's a cruel bitch.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking Radlers at July 13, 2013 05:20 PM (hO8IJ)

AMEN

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:22 PM (KE8zQ)

448 445 C'mon jury- call it not guilty and LET'S LIGHT THIS CANDLE Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 05:21 PM (8sCoq) I'm with you

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 01:22 PM (9+ccr)

449 C'mon jury- call it not guilty and LET'S LIGHT THIS CANDLE
Posted by: Jones in CO
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Says a guy 2500 miles away...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 01:22 PM (aDwsi)

450 What did the Tweet say, NDH, if you don't mind? I'm on phone, can't go to links. *** If Zimmmerman free imma shoot everybody in Zion causing a mass homicide, and ill get away wit it just like Zimmerman. Zion is his high school in Chicago.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 01:22 PM (jjvz+)

451 Where Eagles Dare on TCM as we wait for the brotherly love to begin, yo

Posted by: Kentucky Kid at July 13, 2013 01:22 PM (4Vt8I)

452 Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 05:18 PM (KE8zQ) With me it was basically just thinking ahead.... I was afraid if I didn't keep 'em tucked up 24/7 I'd be able to play jump rope with them by the time I was 50! Now I just feel gross without a bra on. I spend insane money for comfortable ones, though.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 01:23 PM (Pb0zF)

453

366This judge was ungodly.
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 05:03 PM (Pb0zF)


She is sooooo hot!

That helmet hair makes a bulg in my pants


hubba hubba

Id hit it 3 times

 

 

Why is Janet Napolitano commenting here?

Posted by: TanarUr at July 13, 2013 01:23 PM (S4N/h)

454 If guilty, GZ should take it on the lam to wherever Snowden is and proclaim he can't get justice in the USA!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:23 PM (+98Gb)

455
They have been sequestered throughout this trial. I don't think they even know the shit storm that is building.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 05:21 PM (XIxXP)

Just read that the jury doesn't have a clue what sentence goes with what conviction.   Guarantee you Judge Deb will go the MAX on any sentence. 

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:23 PM (KE8zQ)

456

421...Nobody needs to be harnessed at home.

 

Amen to that. ...I hate wearing a bra.

 

Posted by: wheatie at July 13, 2013 01:23 PM (oBreQ)

457 Zion is his high school in Chicago.
----------------

Hold it. Did I miss something? There's a Chicago hook?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 01:23 PM (aDwsi)

458 Time to exercise, later rons.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:24 PM (XIxXP)

459 453 Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 05:23 PM (Pb0zF) Reminds of a Henny Youngman or Dangerfield joke: "My wife used to be a 34-C. Now she's a 34 Long."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:24 PM (+98Gb)

460 Gravity's a cruel bitch.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking Radlers at July 13, 2013 05:20 PM (hO8IJ)
The greatest things in life have a price.

Posted by: Things that you can't Un-Imagine at July 13, 2013 01:24 PM (S75DT)

461 @437 The NC state record is 880 lbs! The bears down East don't hibernate, they eat all year round.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:24 PM (wR+pz)

462 Not Guilty, Not Guilty I think that one juror needs to be convinced that the evidence shows "not guilty" and I pray the others have the wisdom to convince her. As far as riots go, when did we start negotiating with terrorists? This case is compelling because our right to self defense is at stake.

Posted by: MountainTurtle at July 13, 2013 01:24 PM (y5PQh)

463 With me it was basically just thinking ahead.... I was afraid if I didn't keep 'em tucked up 24/7 I'd be able to play jump rope with them by the time I was 50! posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 05:23 PM (Pb0zF)

We all need a hobby.  Don't hate. 

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:24 PM (KE8zQ)

464 I'm not a lawyer but I have seen some episodes of Matlock. It seems this trial is rife with points of appeal.

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 01:24 PM (8sCoq)

465 So is it good or bad they didn't come back with a decision yet?

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 01:24 PM (9+ccr)

466 I tied to drink a Radler once and it bit my piehole. Good thing the free clinic had anti-venom. Whew.

Posted by: Low Information Voter at July 13, 2013 01:25 PM (uLzrM)

467

>>> The NC state record is 880 lbs! 

 

Damn.  That's two good bear.

Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2013 01:25 PM (uZdja)

468 Says a guy 2500 miles away... Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 05:22 PM (aDwsi) I'm not to worried either since there are about 93 blacks in ID The Rodney King riots were something we watched on TV. Nothing happened in Boise

Posted by: Jake in ID-aquavit at July 13, 2013 01:25 PM (6LImX)

469 463 As far as riots go, when did we start negotiating with terrorists? This case is compelling because our right to self defense is at stake. Posted by: MountainTurtle at July 13, 2013 05:24 PM (y5PQh) A few well placed rounds are very effective at dispersing crowds.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:25 PM (+98Gb)

470 >So is it good or bad they didn't come back with a decision yet?



I'm of the opinion that if it was gonna be 'not guilty', it woulda been not guilty by now

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 01:26 PM (8sCoq)

471 Hold it. Did I miss something? There's a Chicago hook? *** Of course! They'll probably riot in LA and Oakland as well.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 01:26 PM (jjvz+)

472 ...I also tried...

Posted by: Low Information Voter at July 13, 2013 01:26 PM (uLzrM)

473 466 So is it good or bad they didn't come back with a decision yet? Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 05:24 PM (9+ccr) To my way of thinking, not good.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:26 PM (+98Gb)

474 Don't forget, AMC is running all the Death Wish Movies, as a riot warm up, right now. Seriously.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:26 PM (wR+pz)

475 463 As far as riots go, when did we start negotiating with terrorists?
Posted by: MountainTurtle at July 13, 2013 05:24 PM (y5PQh)

Well, the Tampa Police spokesman who was begging for no riots was so charming, you see?

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:26 PM (KE8zQ)

476 LOL, JJ and jefftea!!!! I'm so clumsy I'd kill myself trying to skip rope.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 01:27 PM (Pb0zF)

477 I used to think America was superior to all countries in all things. I don't anymore.

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 01:27 PM (8sCoq)

478 So is it good or bad they didn't come back with a decision yet? *** Who knows. All it means is that there isn't a consensus yet.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 01:27 PM (jjvz+)

479 if convicted , will Dersh redeem himself and lead the appeal?

Posted by: avi at July 13, 2013 01:27 PM (z9OI2)

480 I just read there is quite a crowd outside the courtroom waiting for the verdict. 99% pro- traytable. Some poor schmuck old white guy waded in there to stick up for Z and it wasn't pretty....Either way, guilty or not guilty or hung jury rioting is gonna happen..

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 01:27 PM (9+ccr)

481 Why is Janet Napolitano commenting here? Posted by: TanarUr at July 13, 2013 05:23 PM (S4N/h) I got dibs on that hot piece of ass Judge JN's gotta take a number

Posted by: E. Kageen, Supreme Court Judge at July 13, 2013 01:27 PM (6LImX)

482 FKN Rainin again, no bicycling for me.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:27 PM (XIxXP)

483 Billy Bob - I would enjoy a Bearnado striking the Outer Banks during tourist season. Hmm. I think Lincoln is still out there though..., well, every man for himself, and I think he has an escape vehicle.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 01:28 PM (aDwsi)

484 Riots? Easy to stop, three words. "Shoot to Kill"

Posted by: Mayor Dailey, Sr at July 13, 2013 01:28 PM (wR+pz)

485 Well, the Tampa Police spokesman who was begging for no riots was so charming, you see? *** Tampa is well-acquainted with race riots.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 01:28 PM (jjvz+)

486 Honestly, I don't expect the death toll in Chicago to be more than a standard deviation away from their normal July weekend death toll.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking Radlers at July 13, 2013 01:28 PM (hO8IJ)

487 LOL, JJ and jefftea!!!! I'm so clumsy I'd kill myself trying to skip rope.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 05:27 PM (Pb0zF)

Well, there are simply no good gyms in my area...  I  have to improvise.

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:28 PM (KE8zQ)

488 Gravity's a cruel bitch.

Good news is after it reaches a certain point you can flip them over your shoulder to keep 'em out of your way... at least that is what I hear the grandmothers in Kenya do.

Posted by: Obamao at July 13, 2013 01:28 PM (e+pdj)

489

463...This case is compelling because our right to self defense is at stake.

 

Exactly.

 

I think that's one of the reasons why our Thug-in-Chief got involved, and said that Trayvon looked like "his son".

 

Thugs don't want people to be able to defend themselves.

His thugocracy depends on nullifying our self defense laws.

 

Posted by: wheatie at July 13, 2013 01:29 PM (oBreQ)

490 I was hoping for a well hung jury, but it's all women!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 13, 2013 01:29 PM (UTq/I)

491 if convicted , will Dersh redeem himself and lead the appeal? *** That would be seven kinds of awesome

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 01:29 PM (jjvz+)

492 Goddamn sock fail

Posted by: CAC at July 13, 2013 01:29 PM (S75DT)

493

In today's Amerika I'm not sure that's the better choice. Flee to a place where Rule of Law prevails, like China.

Posted by: En Raged at July 13, 2013 05:19 PM (QZvo7)

 

 

----------------------------------------------------

 

 

The chocolate jesus and the DOJ wanted this to go to trial.  Therefore it went to trial.  We have no equal justice anymore.  We have justice by fiat, whether Z is convicted or not.  The rule of law and state/local law mean nothing anymore.  Everything must reflect national political policy.

Posted by: De Judge at July 13, 2013 01:29 PM (oSsMU)

494 That would be seven kinds of awesome Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 05:29 PM (jjvz+) FK IT, Greata and Mark Lavine.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:30 PM (XIxXP)

495 I'm not worried about riots in my area, either, frankly.

It would be rude. 

When a local sports team wins a championship, there's never even a hint or a thought of riots like there are in other cities.

But if there are riots in Atlanta, I hope they storm and loot CNN studios.  It would be nice if the media got the whirlwind for the wind they have sown.

Posted by: zsasz at July 13, 2013 01:30 PM (MMC8r)

496 You're dedication to physical fitness is admirable, jefftea!

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 01:30 PM (Pb0zF)

497 This case is compelling because our right to self defense is at stake. *** Exactly. I've commented a couple of times, in response to the whiners, that this case is about the right to defend yourself and about the injustice of mob rule. It damn well should be of national interest.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 01:30 PM (jjvz+)

498 "I'm of the opinion that if it was gonna be 'not guilty', it woulda been not guilty by now"

I said previously that the only legally and logically correct thing to do would have been to return in five minutes with a Not Guilty verdict.

But... a jury that is inclined to return a Not Guilty verdict in a high profile, politically charged case may want to be able to walk out afterward and talk about how slowly and carefully they had deliberated, going over every point multiple times.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 13, 2013 01:30 PM (gqT4g)

499 Honestly, I don't expect the death toll in Chicago to be more than a standard deviation away from their normal July weekend death toll.



I was listening to the Chicago police scanner for about 45 minutes earlier.  No calls of shots fired.  Had to be a record.

Posted by: Adam at July 13, 2013 01:31 PM (Aif/5)

500 The chocolate jesus and the DOJ wanted this to go to trial. Therefore it went to trial. We have no equal justice anymore. We have justice by fiat, whether Z is convicted or not. The rule of law and state/local law mean nothing anymore. Everything must reflect national political policy.

Posted by: De Judge at July 13, 2013 05:29 PM (oSsMU)

Welcome to the new "Survivor!" legal system.  

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:31 PM (KE8zQ)

501 fucking SOCKS!

Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2013 01:31 PM (oSsMU)

502 But... a jury that is inclined to return a Not Guilty verdict in a high profile, politically charged case may want to be able to walk out afterward and talk about how slowly and carefully they had deliberated, going over every point multiple times. Made that point earlier. Monday after lunch.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:31 PM (wR+pz)

503 I thought that "not proven" verdicts were a feature of Scottish law, not English. Posted by: torquewrench at July 13, 2013 05:12 PM (gqT4g) That is correct, I hear about it so much in UK context I forget. Of course, now I read they're trying to get rid of it again. Only thing that makes sense over there.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 13, 2013 01:32 PM (qyfb5)

504 You're dedication to physical fitness is admirable, jefftea!

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 05:30 PM (Pb0zF)

Thank yew!  I'm a prepper!  lol 

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:32 PM (KE8zQ)

505

Do you one better zsasz: for healing, conservatives offer free bus rides for rioters to the CNN plaza.

 

Who loses?

Posted by: CAC at July 13, 2013 01:32 PM (S75DT)

506 I was listening to the Chicago police scanner for about 45 minutes earlier. No calls of shots fired. Had to be a record.

Posted by: Adam at July 13, 2013 05:31 PM (Aif/5)

You sure it was plugged in?

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:32 PM (KE8zQ)

507 432 Those 6 women will have to convict of manslaughter or put their lives and their families' lives in danger, just like the Zimmermans will be in danger if George were to be acquitted. I don't believe those women will be brave enough to acquit, and will find an emotional excuse to convict. They cannot acquit unless they are ready to relocate to Alaska, change their and the dog's names, new hair color for all....

Posted by: twolaneflash at July 13, 2013 05:18 PM (a07QB)

I agree. The worst part is that this is the type of scenario that one would expect to see occur in a third-world craphole run by some authoritarian, dictatorial regime.

Posted by: Slappy at July 13, 2013 01:33 PM (LTbLf)

508 If guilty, Ogabe will fly in for a rally around the courthouse.

Posted by: UWP at July 13, 2013 01:33 PM (r98SZ)

509 I will soon prove once and for all 2+2 does not equal 5

Posted by: God at July 13, 2013 01:33 PM (X2MFv)

510 I'm of the opinion that if it was gonna be 'not guilty', it woulda been not guilty by now Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 05:26 PM (8sCoq) Manslaughter charge could be taking the most time. Not unreasonable to go through the case in that lens.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 13, 2013 01:33 PM (X4HxX)

511 471 I'm of the opinion that if it was gonna be 'not guilty', it woulda been not guilty by now I agree. Verdict by Tuesday (the longer the better chance for a mistrial). I still give 90% odds of conviction, meaning I'll be shocked by a hung jury. And I think there will be riots if there's a hung jury.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 13, 2013 01:33 PM (tOkJB)

512 I think the hung jury is actually the optimal outcome for the prosecution/state.

The hung jury doesn't give enough outrage to do proper riots. There's a promise of a trial to come.

By that time, people will have moved on. The activists will pay attention, but they won't be able to get the same level of outrage.

By the second trial, a less prosecution-friendly judge (it's impossible not to have one) will let in the more adult Trayvon Facebook photos and a prosecution will be even less likely.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 13, 2013 04:31 PM (xSegX)


I agree with you analysis with a side of "Guilty on Agg Assault with overturn on appeal."  I figure that conviction gives the prosecution a win.  The appeal fixes that, so the prosecutors can blame the appeals court.  Then the re-trial fades away.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at July 13, 2013 01:34 PM (1hekh)

513 I agree. The worst part is that this is the type of scenario that one would expect to see occur in a third-world craphole run by some authoritarian, dictatorial regime. Posted by: Slappy at July 13, 2013 05:33 PM (LTbLf) And we aren't living in one of those?

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 01:34 PM (9+ccr)

514 You sure it was plugged in?

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 05:32 PM (KE8zQ)


Probably just too early.

Posted by: Adam at July 13, 2013 01:35 PM (Aif/5)

515

Posted by: twolaneflash at July 13, 2013 05:18 PM (a07QB)

I agree. The worst part is that this is the type of scenario that one would expect to see occur in a third-world craphole run by some authoritarian, dictatorial regime.

 

Obama's America.  Forward!

Posted by: TanarUr at July 13, 2013 01:35 PM (S4N/h)

516 The 6 jurors will get a phone call from the president, congratulating them. And really, that does make it worth it for them.

Posted by: UWP at July 13, 2013 01:35 PM (r98SZ)

517 And we aren't living in one of those? Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 05:34 PM (9+ccr) not yet, hey, have you seen my softball skills?

Posted by: E. Kageen, Supreme Court Judge at July 13, 2013 01:35 PM (6LImX)

518 340 324 I honestly think it's going to be down to whether they think Z should have stayed in his truck. That is another point mama keeps mentioning.

Do the instructions for MS make a provision for consideration of who is the agressor?

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 04:56 PM (Pb0zF)

There really isn't much purpose of a Neighborhood Watch if everyone is going to stay in their truck, car, apartment, house, etc. So, because he got out of his truck, the suspicious person has the right to go up to him and physically assault him for living up to his responsibilities as a member of the Neighborhood Watch? Sounds like a good way to ensure that all Neighborhood Watches are disbanded and that neighbors stop looking out for each other. I guess it would just be another way that the Left has weakened the ties that exist between Americans.

Posted by: Slappy at July 13, 2013 01:36 PM (LTbLf)

519 Obumbles has had a hand in escalating this, but the OJ trial was an even bigger farce, in many ways. Of course, an innocent man didn't get punished on that one.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 01:36 PM (Pb0zF)

520 Concealed carry laws are pointless if you get prosecuted anyway for defending yourself. Jury system is pointless if the jury members care more about being able to live in their neighborhoods after the trial due to mob rule and threats. Our culture in the USA has now devolved, and I don't see any hope.

Posted by: Dan at July 13, 2013 01:36 PM (bxp5Z)

521 I'm of the opinion that if it was gonna be 'not guilty', it woulda been not guilty by now

That may have been the first ballot 5min in, but prudence would suggest spending a as long a possible "pouring over evidence" and discussing the "fine points of the law", requesting different pieces of evidence, "clarifications", etc.

If they take two weeks to return a not guilty, the outside world sees that as genuine "deliberation".

They could be sitting there bullshitting, playing tic-tac-toe, talking about their kids and running the clock out just for appearance.

A guilty verdict would have been a freebie and delivered quickly - no need to soften that with faux deliberation.  Whites ain't gonna riot or go on looting sprees, or terrorize TM's family if there was a guilty verdict.

If the jury is split, I don't see anyone on either side being convinced to flip, and a hung jury is a safe choice.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 13, 2013 01:36 PM (lm0Rv)

522 Like Milton Berle.

Posted by: just some wanker at July 13, 2013 01:36 PM (l3RZ9)

523 Man I never get tired of watching Bronson take out the trash lol. Too bad he's been dead for so long. I'd fucking watch Death Wish 12 where Bronson kills some street thugs with a walker.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2013 01:37 PM (V1ZIU)

524 Acquitted on all counts before noon on Monday.

Posted by: toby928© predicts at July 13, 2013 01:37 PM (QupBk)

525 He will be found guilty of manslaughter, even though he isn't, in an effort to placate Da Blaxx and hope they won't riot. It will also allow Chocolate Jesus to say that justice was served, that even though the Yoot may have been menacing to Zimmerman, that it would still have been no reason for a lowly prole to have used an Evil Gun to defend himself. The blame will be placed equally on the firearm and Zimmerman, the Sharptons and Jacksons can go on TV and declare victory, Da Blaxx can have a little rioting and a little killing to sate them without going overboard, and the nation can see Unity and Justice and Peace in the benevolent aura of Chocolate Jesus.

Posted by: pennsyltucky at July 13, 2013 01:37 PM (ZrH1L)

526

Stop a riot?  Get Michael Winslow  on the P.A., stat!

 

 

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 13, 2013 01:37 PM (BAS5M)

527 "Kathi Belich, WFTV
The judge will decide after the verdict is in how long jurors names will be secret. Some were concerned about that."

So, will these women make it out of the building before Spike Lee tweets their info? 

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:37 PM (KE8zQ)

528

Some of the protestors had to be separated by the fuzz  at the courthouse.

 

Oh joy.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Double-Naught International Cat Speculator at July 13, 2013 01:38 PM (0HooB)

529

There were a total of 503 murders in Los Angeles County in 2012. That's a county, counting everybody and the obvious undocumenteds, of well over 13 million people.

 

Chicago, with barely over 3 million...had 534.

Posted by: CAC at July 13, 2013 01:38 PM (S75DT)

530 The only way you can really understand the Juries position is if you hit mute everytime they walked out of the courtroom, discussed the trial with no one and watched 0 TV, listened to 0 radio and stayed off line. If you think in that prism. I don't see how they convict.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:38 PM (XIxXP)

531 I was listening to the Chicago police scanner for about 45 minutes earlier. No calls of shots fired. Had to be a record. Posted by: Adam at July 13, 2013 05:31 PM (Aif/5) This ammo shortage will get out of hand. It will get out of hand and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: RWC at July 13, 2013 01:38 PM (8FeS+)

532 I was listening to the Chicago police scanner for about 45 minutes earlier. No calls of shots fired. Had to be a record.
Posted by: Adam
..........
The gangstas are asleep this time of day.. a totally nocturnal creature.

Once the sun goes down, you wanna be off the streets on the south side.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 13, 2013 01:39 PM (UTq/I)

533 I guess it would just be another way that the Left has weakened the ties that exist between Americans. Posted by: Slappy at July 13, 2013 05:36 PM (LTbLf) Yep.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 01:39 PM (Pb0zF)

534 these bitches need to hurry up, I'm getting sick of waiting :/

Posted by: spypeach at July 13, 2013 01:39 PM (0n1+D)

535 513

And we aren't living in one of those?

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 05:34 PM (9+ccr)

Apparently we are, at least on some level. It's just taking a little while for that to sink in, as I never thought I'd see it happen in this country, especially during my lifetime.

Posted by: Slappy at July 13, 2013 01:39 PM (LTbLf)

536 524 Acquitted on all counts before noon on Monday. After lunch Monday, damn it they are going to have "Hispanic take out"

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:39 PM (wR+pz)

537 Considering Los Angeles, Van Nuys, Inglewood, Compton, Long Beach, Lancaster, all the cities within, over 4 times the number of people and still fewer murders than Chicago.

Posted by: CAC at July 13, 2013 01:39 PM (S75DT)

538

I was thinking some level of manslaughter was a reasonable possibility until I heard more about the FL law. It's said that if you're in fear of "bodily harm" - you don't even have to be in fear for your life - you're allowed to use "deadly force". The physical evidence and photos seems to make it pretty clear that Zimmerman was getting the crap beat out of him, so it's pretty clear-cut.

 

 

The jury seems to be conscientious, as far as I can tell, but we'll see if we have an emotional mom type, or liberal plant, or a sucker.

 

Posted by: Optimizer at July 13, 2013 01:39 PM (Mxt9o)

539 Correction- official report was 506 for Chicago. Still, astounding. More murders with not even a quarter of the population of L.A. County.

Posted by: CAC at July 13, 2013 01:40 PM (S75DT)

540 I'm betting that the hangup is over Z's injuries and the evidence supporting them.  Were they enough to justify gunplay.

Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2013 01:40 PM (oSsMU)

541 There were a total of 503 murders in Los Angeles County in 2012. That's a county, counting everybody and the obvious undocumenteds, of well over 13 million people.

Chicago, with barely over 3 million...had 534. Posted by: CAC
..........
We know how to get 'er done in Chicago!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 13, 2013 01:40 PM (UTq/I)

542 Besides, I really think they know a weekend verdict would lead to more riots. Monday is the day.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:40 PM (wR+pz)

543 Posted by: CAC Was CAC always Creepy ass Cracka, or was that a coincidence?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:41 PM (XIxXP)

544 A very good point, Soona.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 01:42 PM (Pb0zF)

545 520Concealed carry laws are pointless if you get prosecuted anyway for defending yourself.

Jury system is pointless if the jury members care more about being able to live in their neighborhoods after the trial due to mob rule and threats.

Our culture in the USA has now devolved, and I don't see any hope.

Posted by: Dan at July 13, 2013 05:36 PM (bxp5Z)

 

That is the whole point of this farce of a "trial".  To show everyone that having "the law" on your side is not enough.  If you step out of line, or you just happen to be unlucky enough to be the example that needs to be made for today you will be squashed like a bug, and nothing can save you.  Not even the truth.

Posted by: TanarUr at July 13, 2013 01:42 PM (S4N/h)

546 542 Besides, I really think they know a weekend verdict would lead to more riots. Monday is the day Why? None of them have jobs...... I denounce myself

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 01:42 PM (9+ccr)

547

From  the Oscar Grant wikipedia:

 

On July 8, 2010, the jury returned its verdict: Mehserle was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter and not guilty of second-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.[14] Initial protests against the ruling were peacefully organized; looting, arson, destruction of property, and small riots broke out after dark. Nearly 80 people were eventually arrested.

Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 01:42 PM (D+lxs)

548 527 So, will these women make it out of the building before Spike Lee tweets their info? Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 05:37 PM (KE8zQ) Spike Lee doesn't need correct info. It's about "sending a message," yo.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:42 PM (+98Gb)

549 > the OJ trial was an even bigger farce, in many ways.

Of course, an innocent man didn't get punished on that one.




Kato Kaelin lost his pool privileges...

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 01:42 PM (8sCoq)

550

If the jury goes for MS, they then have to decide upon one of four special findings to accompany the MS.  When  the Judge read the   juey instructions for the four special findings, it  seemed to me that there would be no way any sentient being could agree with any one of  the four.

 

They may paint themselves into a corner by splitting the baby with a MS verdict and then having to decide which one of the four special findings best applies (but doesn't really apply at all).  Brain lock.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 13, 2013 01:43 PM (BAS5M)

551 my pops was in the Navy just after ww2. He was on shore patrol in China and a riot was brewing over something He walked over to the guy who was abviously stirring it up and had someone translate that his unit would be sure to shoot him first if things got out of hand aparently starting a riot was less important than getting shot with .30-06 and .454ACP rounds

Posted by: Jake in ID-aquavit at July 13, 2013 01:43 PM (6LImX)

552 547 Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 05:42 PM (D+lxs) As long as the looters and arsonists organized peacefully beforehand, then it's all good.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:43 PM (+98Gb)

553 If this ends in not guilty, I'm going to send an Arizona Watermelon drink and a bag of Skittles to the White House.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 13, 2013 01:43 PM (57bzg)

554 Was CAC always Creepy ass Cracka, or was that a coincidence? *** I beleive it's Con Art Critic

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 01:43 PM (jjvz+)

555

"518 340 324 I honestly think it's going to be down to whether they think Z should have stayed in his truck. That is another point mama keeps mentioning.

Do the instructions for MS make a provision for consideration of who is the aggressor?"

 

 

It wasn't illegal to get out of the truck, so that doesn't matter at all.  If they think it through, the bottom line is that when Zimmerman - who has a record as a stand-up guy - saw somebody suspicious lurking around, he called 911. When Martin - who was a drug-addled juvenile delinquent who apparently liked to pick fights - saw some suspicious guy eyeing him, he tried to beat the crap out of him.

 

Posted by: Optimizer at July 13, 2013 01:43 PM (Mxt9o)

556 Who will play Trayvon and Zimmerman in the Spike Lee movie of this farce?

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 01:43 PM (8sCoq)

557 I beleive it's Con Art Critic Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 05:43 PM (jjvz+) I guess the cons do make some nice stuff in prison. Gacy's clowns are worth thousands.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:44 PM (XIxXP)

558 >I honestly think it's going to be down to whether they think Z should have stayed in his truck.



is it against the law in Florida to get out of your truck?

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 01:44 PM (8sCoq)

559 these bitches need to hurry up, I'm getting sick of waiting :/
---------------

The fact that it is taking a while certainly implies that there are differences of opinion. That makes an argument for hung jury at best. Worst case, they are debating which  count for conviction.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 01:45 PM (aDwsi)

560 CAC- 33% Black population in Chicago - LA County - 9%

90% of the CHicago shootings are in a very small geographic area.. guess which neighborhoods?  Not to be racist or anything, but draw your own conclusion.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 13, 2013 01:45 PM (UTq/I)

561 I swear I am not making this up. After 16 straight days of rain, it has not rained for 36 hours in CLT. A bright object has broken out of the clouds. Not sure if it's a UFO or the sun. Rain forecaster for tonight. Of shit, huge storm coming, 20 miles to East going West, figure that out?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:45 PM (wR+pz)

562 Who will play Trayvon and Zimmerman in the Spike Lee movie of this farce?

Schwarzenegger (Zim)

and

Rodney Allen Rippy (St. T-von)

Posted by: zsasz at July 13, 2013 01:45 PM (MMC8r)

563 Who will play Trayvon and Zimmerman in the Spike Lee movie of this farce? Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 05:43 PM (8sCoq) Matt Damon and Ben Affleck

Posted by: spypeach at July 13, 2013 01:45 PM (0n1+D)

564 556 Who will play Trayvon and Zimmerman in the Spike Lee movie of this farce? Trayvon will be played by Will Smith's son, whatshisname. Zimmerman will be played by Edgar Winter.

Posted by: pennsyltucky at July 13, 2013 01:45 PM (ZrH1L)

565 540 I'm betting that the hangup is over Z's injuries and the evidence supporting them. Were they enough to justify gunplay. Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2013 05:40 PM (oSsMU) You have to feel as if your life is in mortal danger in order to use potentially lethal force, and that post-incident the evidence shows you were in that situation. Obviously, GZ felt he was and from everything we've seen evidence wise, you would have to agree with that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:45 PM (+98Gb)

566 Who will play Trayvon and Zimmerman in the Spike Lee movie of this farce?

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 05:43 PM (8sCoq)

George Lopez and whatever infant Kanye and whatshername have.

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:45 PM (KE8zQ)

567 Who will play Trayvon and Zimmerman in the Spike Lee movie of this farce?
Posted by: Jones
---------

Toure

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 01:45 PM (aDwsi)

568 543 Posted by: CAC

Was CAC always Creepy ass Cracka, or was that a coincidence?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 05:41 PM (XIxXP)


Blessin' the hearts of all moron CAC's.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at July 13, 2013 01:46 PM (baL2B)

569 The fact that it is taking a while certainly implies that there are differences of opinion. That makes an argument for hung jury at best. Worst case, they are debating which count for conviction. Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 05:45 PM (aDwsi) Six female strangers in a room. I don't think they have found the Alpha yet.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:46 PM (XIxXP)

570 542Besides, I really think they know a weekend verdict would lead to more riots. Monday is the day.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 05:40 PM (wR+pz)

 

Plus, government checks go out on the 15th.

Posted by: TanarUr at July 13, 2013 01:46 PM (S4N/h)

571 is it against the law in Florida to get out of your truck?

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 05:44 PM (8sCoq)

EVERYTHING is drive-thru!  Come on down!!!

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:46 PM (KE8zQ)

572 Who will play Trayvon and Zimmerman in the Spike Lee movie of this farce?



Trayvon will be Jaden Smith.  Zimmerman will be that gangbanger from Training Day.

Posted by: Adam at July 13, 2013 01:46 PM (Aif/5)

573 Zimmerman will be played by Edgar Winter.
--------------

Best laugh I've had today.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 01:47 PM (aDwsi)

574 Who will play Trayvon and Zimmerman in the Spike Lee movie of this farce? Jaden Smith and M&M.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 13, 2013 01:47 PM (XIxXP)

575 "268 261 Well, if you like the Gulf Coast, you might consider the Corpus Christi area of Texas.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 13, 2013 04:43 PM (31Nrp)

Wifey is a major lefty. She's not too keen on FL and TX for her is like garlic to a vampire. Too bad.

Maybe I should dump her. Yeah!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 04:46 PM (+98Gb)"



Well then maybe she would like Gulfport, Mississippi or Mobile, Alabama better.  Maybe schedule a vacation in January or February to Corpus or South Padre Island. 



Or you can try this approach:

http://www.houstonhistoricaltours.com/jewish.html


Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 13, 2013 01:47 PM (31Nrp)

576 Six female strangers in a room. I don't think they have found the Alpha yet. Discussing whether or not to go on Oprah?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:48 PM (wR+pz)

577 90% of the CHicago shootings are in a very small geographic area.. guess which neighborhoods?

Don't have to guess...the NYSlimes has mapped it out for you.
http://is.gd/RzMEr9


Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking Radlers at July 13, 2013 01:48 PM (hO8IJ)

578 559 Worst case, they are debating which count for conviction. Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 05:45 PM (aDwsi) Judging solely from the jurors' backgrounds and the evidence in the trial, it is inconceivable to me that they are debating what to convict him on. One of them has to be a fucking lefty miscreant and it will be a hung jury.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:48 PM (+98Gb)

579 The jury will hang, and so will Georgie Z.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at July 13, 2013 01:48 PM (MfKLq)

580 So will the jury have off on Sunday?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:48 PM (wR+pz)

581 Vin deisel for Zim and Arnold from Diffrent Stokes for TM bet on it

Posted by: Jake in ID-aquavit at July 13, 2013 01:48 PM (6LImX)

582 573 Zimmerman will be played by Edgar Winter. -------------- Best laugh I've had today I agree... On a side note I saw Edgar and Johnny Winter in my old hippie days..... They are whiter than snow!

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 01:49 PM (9+ccr)

583

As long as the looters and arsonists organized peacefully beforehand, then it's all good.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 05:43 PM (+98Gb)

 

Our tax payer dollars are paying the US DOJ CRP unit to do the organizing. 

 

I wonder if they hand out any pre-riot hand-outs?

I sort of liked some of (was it Bob Owens???) twitter tips, like make sure you write your SSN on with a sharpie, to make the ID of the corpse easier. 

Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 01:49 PM (D+lxs)

584 Are there any good streaming or a photostream sites of outside the courthouse that anybody knows about?

Posted by: RWC at July 13, 2013 01:49 PM (8FeS+)

585 Isn't Houston like 144% Humidity year round?  My daughter lived there for a few years and hated it.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 13, 2013 01:49 PM (UTq/I)

586 is it against the law in Florida to get out of your truck? Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 05:44 PM (8sCoq) No, but we're talking about 6 women here.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 01:49 PM (Pb0zF)

587 559 Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 05:45 PM (aDwsi) Maybe the five of them are trying to convince the one holdout to vote with them to acquit. Hey, call me a dreamer.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:49 PM (+98Gb)

588 lawyers heading into the courthouse...

Posted by: USA at July 13, 2013 01:49 PM (VIaw0)

589 Saw a progtard bumper sticker I was unaware of: (Nixon's head) - (drawing of braaains) = (W's head). Made me wonder what the appropriate formula for TFG would be.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2013 01:49 PM (LQA70)

590 J J I agree. Beware the "animal handler".

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:49 PM (wR+pz)

591 Tammy Bruce ‏@HeyTammyBruce 4m

Caroline Kennedy will be the next U.S. ambassador to Japan

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 01:50 PM (8sCoq)

592 Jake Busey will play Zimmerman.  Probably Jamie Foxx for Trayvon.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 13, 2013 01:50 PM (xjpRj)

593 "Kathi Belich, WFTV 

Lawyers are headed into the courthouse. Standby."

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:50 PM (KE8zQ)

594 is it against the law in Florida to get out of your truck? *** It wouldn't/shouldn't matter if it was. In fact, even if GZ had thrown the first punch, the moment the situation became one of great bodily injury or death, the law still allows one to use deadly force. Just because one starts a fight doesn't mean they have to die because of it. THIS should have been explained to the jury. THIS is why anything other than Not Guilty due to self-defense is horseshit.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 01:50 PM (jjvz+)

595 Six female strangers in a room. I don't think they have found the Alpha yet. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin
---------------------

Hey...., there's a sub-plot. I'm going with the the black lady as fore...., person. At a minimum she will be the Henry Fonda equivalent. I'm guessing the movie will be titled "Six Angry Women"

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 01:50 PM (aDwsi)

596 Lawyers heading into court.

Posted by: RWC at July 13, 2013 01:50 PM (8FeS+)

597

People shouldn't get so invested in the verdict.  It's really just six women who may or may not get it right. The real harm - by the media, in its desperation to push a narrative of "white guy hunts down black guy because he's black" - has already been done, and it's already been shown that it was B.S.

 

The fact that practically every black person in the country automatically takes the black kid's side reconfirms that black racism is still thriving. I don't even have to mention liberals and THEIR agenda.

 

Just remember the jurors aren't the goddamn SCOTUS, for cryin' out loud.

 

Posted by: Optimizer at July 13, 2013 01:51 PM (Mxt9o)

598 ICYMI, this seems like a good description of manslaughter under Florida law: http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2013/07/11/the-manslaughter-option-in-zimmermans-trial-an-explainer/

Posted by: Y-not at July 13, 2013 01:51 PM (5H6zj)

599 Lawyers are headed into the courthouse. Standby." I think I'm gonna be sick...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 01:51 PM (9+ccr)

600 Lawyers are heading to the courthouse....

Either they've reached a verdict, or, (more likely), they're going to wrap it up for the night.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 13, 2013 01:51 PM (0IhFx)

601 Any smart electronics stores had a big 'Closing Arguments' Sale and started loading the trucks as soon as it went to the jury.

Posted by: zsasz at July 13, 2013 01:51 PM (MMC8r)

602 Seems to me if the jury convicts him of manslaughter, he'll have (even more) grounds for appeal.

Posted by: Y-not at July 13, 2013 01:51 PM (5H6zj)

603 A still of Zimmerman from my upcoming documentary.



http://tinyurl.com/7puvule

Posted by: Spike Lee at July 13, 2013 01:51 PM (Aif/5)

604 540 I'm betting that the hangup is over Z's injuries and the evidence supporting them. Were they enough to justify gunplay. Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2013 05:40 PM (oSsMU) Thing is he doesn't even have to have a scratch on him to fear for his life and use self defense.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 13, 2013 01:51 PM (X6akg)

605 I axed this before. Does anyone know why CNN's feed was always 2 seconds ahead of Fox? I notice this on a lot of live feeds. Does Fox have a delay for some reason?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:51 PM (wR+pz)

606 591 Tammy Bruce ‏@HeyTammyBruce 4m Caroline Kennedy will be the next U.S. ambassador to Japan Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 05:50 PM (8sCoq) I think Tammy Bruce is really attractive. I'd hit on her if she wasn't a lesbian and I wasn't married.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:51 PM (+98Gb)

607 Thanks Heather.. nice graphic.. actually spread out a little mkore than I had thought.  But those areas with the bigger circles are Da Hood.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 13, 2013 01:52 PM (UTq/I)

608

90% of the CHicago shootings are in a very small geographic area.. guess which neighborhoods?

Don't have to guess...the NYSlimes has mapped it out for you.
http://is.gd/RzMEr9

 

Go to HeyJackass   ------------Sorry, but the blog ate my last tinyurl attempt. 

They break it down by year, location, race, gender, type of weapons, etc. 

Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 01:52 PM (D+lxs)

609 You have to feel as if your life is in mortal danger in order to use potentially lethal force, and that post-incident the evidence shows you were in that situation. Obviously, GZ felt he was and from everything we've seen evidence wise, you would have to agree with that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 05:45 PM (+98Gb)

 

 

--------------------------------------------------

 

 

I agree with that.  But I'm not on the jury.  And I'm not a chick.  I really do think that would be  chick logic.  You know.  Proportional reaction.

Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2013 01:52 PM (oSsMU)

610 It would be interesting to look at the total donations made to O's campaign by his ambassadors.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 01:52 PM (aDwsi)

611 Another jury question

Posted by: RWC at July 13, 2013 01:52 PM (8FeS+)

612 >>Posted by: Optimizer at July 13, 2013 05:51 PM (Mxt9o) Good points.

Posted by: Y-not at July 13, 2013 01:52 PM (5H6zj)

613 Yeaaaaah that poor bastard is fucked. Apparently three of the six jurors were openly weeping during the State's rebuttal during closing. All female jurors -- what the fuck was the defense thinking there?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 13, 2013 01:52 PM (FaZd9)

614 I plan on telling every Trayvon-celebrant that, if Zim is convicted, that they got their lynching.

I may even re-join Facebook to do it.

Posted by: zsasz at July 13, 2013 01:52 PM (MMC8r)

615 Media asked to go to courtroom per Fox.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 13, 2013 01:52 PM (X6akg)

616

Don't EBT cards get recharged Monday.. I think that would be a good day for a verdict as everyone will be busy buy steaks and drank...

Posted by: TheGarbone at July 13, 2013 01:52 PM (hZyOq)

617 Media going to courthouse!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:53 PM (wR+pz)

618 A juror question at last. Ugh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:53 PM (+98Gb)

619 Court convenes for a question: What's for   supper?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Double-Naught International Cat Speculator at July 13, 2013 01:53 PM (0HooB)

620 Press says its a jury question, not verdict.

Posted by: USA at July 13, 2013 01:53 PM (VIaw0)

621 BRB. I'm going to retrieve my gun from the bedroom.... just in case.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 01:53 PM (jjvz+)

622 I agree with that. But I'm not on the jury. And I'm not a chick. I really do think that would be chick logic. You know. Proportional reaction.

Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2013 05:52 PM (oSsMU)

As a chick, I'd have shot you before you ever got near to breaking my nose.

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:53 PM (KE8zQ)

623 Free dinner for the media?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:53 PM (wR+pz)

624 A still of Trayvon from Spike's movie.

http://tinyurl.com/nvyueuf

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 13, 2013 01:53 PM (VlXYw)

625 Current Druge headline: "Ladies Locked?" I hope so. THis is better than either of teh Guilty verdicts,

Posted by: Arbalest at July 13, 2013 01:54 PM (FlRtG)

626 Trayvon Martin will be played by that Urkel kid (although he must be too old by now). 

Posted by: TanarUr at July 13, 2013 01:54 PM (S4N/h)

627 556 Who will play Trayvon and Zimmerman in the Spike Lee movie of this farce?

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 05:43 PM (8sCoq)

The guy who played Raj on "What's Happening!!" and the guy who played Julio on "Sanford & Son."

Posted by: Slappy at July 13, 2013 01:54 PM (LTbLf)

628 609 I agree with that. But I'm not on the jury. And I'm not a chick. I really do think that would be chick logic. You know. Proportional reaction. Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2013 05:52 PM (oSsMU) Any chick who's been raped or knows a rape victim will tell you all about what they feel is proportional.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:54 PM (+98Gb)

629 You have to feel as if your life is in mortal danger in order to use potentially lethal force..
----------------

Not true. It is only necessary that you believe  that you are threatened  with great bodily harm.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 01:54 PM (aDwsi)

630 jury has a question!!!!

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 01:54 PM (eTqV5)

631 A question?Don't like the sound of that unless they ask what the penalty for Manslaughter would be. That would open their eyes...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 01:54 PM (9+ccr)

632 Will Ace be live-blogging tonight's civil insurrection?

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 01:54 PM (8sCoq)

633

The fact that practically every black person in the country automatically takes the black kid's side reconfirms that black racism is still thriving. I don't even have to mention liberals and THEIR agenda.

Just remember the jurors aren't the goddamn SCOTUS, for cryin' out loud.

 

 

Not every black person, many here and elsewhere are not invested in the "narrative."  Remember, a few percent even voted for Romney? 

Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 01:54 PM (D+lxs)

634 I hope so. THis is better than either of teh Guilty verdicts, *** It means a retrial

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 01:54 PM (jjvz+)

635 Probably done for the night, they'll be back tomorrow for another day of getting no where.

Posted by: spypeach at July 13, 2013 01:55 PM (0n1+D)

636

605...Does Fox have a delay for some reason?

 

They've said that they do it so they can blip out cusswords.

 

Fox does not have 'protected class' status, like the other channels.

They probably figure that Barky's FCC would come down on them like the wrath of God.

Posted by: wheatie at July 13, 2013 01:55 PM (oBreQ)

637 And 5 out or the 6 jurors either have firearms or have a spouse who owns one or more.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:55 PM (+98Gb)

638 There was a plant to begin with. Animal handler.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:55 PM (wR+pz)

639 Six female strangers in a room

***

I think that's the Chinese character for Holy Shit.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 13, 2013 01:55 PM (VlXYw)

640 >Current Druge headline: "Ladies Locked?"


it links to a 'what if' story

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 01:56 PM (8sCoq)

641 It means a retrial Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 05:54 PM (jjvz+) Yes, but the truth about St. Trayvon is out there now and the lawyers would most certainly get to introduce the info that was with held from them by the Prosecutors...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 01:56 PM (9+ccr)

642 Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 2m Court spokeswoman: #ZimmermanTrial jury has a question. #GeorgeZImmerman #TrayvonMartin

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 13, 2013 01:56 PM (QupBk)

643 As a chick, I'd have shot you before you ever got near to breaking my nose.

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 05:53 PM (KE8zQ)

... I mean if I had a weapon, which I don't....

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 01:56 PM (KE8zQ)

644 Rico from Six Feet Under for George, Shaquille O'Neal as Trayvon.

Posted by: Madamex at July 13, 2013 01:57 PM (Tj05I)

645 Jury wants clarification of manslaughter. This might be hopeful. Might... be.... but it sure confirms where they're hanging.

Posted by: mindful webworker at July 13, 2013 01:57 PM (U13jb)

646 Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 2m The Sheriff told me there's not a verdict yet. We were called to the court room but don't know why.

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 13, 2013 01:57 PM (QupBk)

647 verification on instructions for manslaughter, oh shit!

Posted by: spypeach at July 13, 2013 01:58 PM (0n1+D)

648 "Andrew Branca, LOSD @LawSelfDefense #zimmermantrial Jury: "May we please have clarification on instructions regarding manslaughter?" uh oh...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:58 PM (+98Gb)

649 .. I mean if I had a weapon, which I don't....
Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap
------------------------------

This is my rifle, this is my gun...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 01:58 PM (aDwsi)

650 636 605...Does Fox have a delay for some reason?

They've said that they do it so they can blip out cusswords.

Posted by: wheatie at July 13, 2013 05:55 PM (oBreQ)

Yeah, and also so that they can stop themselves from showing guys blowing their brains out on live TV, like happened with that fugitive last year.

Posted by: Slappy at July 13, 2013 01:58 PM (LTbLf)

651 Jury wants clarification of manslaughter. Knew manslaughter charge was coming... I'm just sick...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 01:58 PM (9+ccr)

652 WW2 Tweets from 1941 ‏@RealTimeWWII 31m Kiev is being bombed by German planes; Wehrmacht have smashed deep into Ukraine, now on doorstep of its vital city.

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 13, 2013 01:58 PM (QupBk)

653

If the verdict is Manslaughter...can Zimmerman appeal that?

 

Posted by: wheatie at July 13, 2013 01:58 PM (oBreQ)

654 647 verification on instructions for manslaughter, oh shit! Posted by: spypeach at July 13, 2013 05:58 PM (0n1+D) Then again, it could be a good sign?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:58 PM (+98Gb)

655 Tell me if you've heard this one.

George Zimmerman walks into a bar.

Kill Whitey!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 13, 2013 01:59 PM (pgQxn)

656 Not good

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:59 PM (wR+pz)

657 Fuck.

I was hoping they were asking who was catering dinner.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking Radlers at July 13, 2013 01:59 PM (hO8IJ)

658

Yes, but the truth about St. Trayvon is out there now and the lawyers would most certainly get to introduce the info that was with held from them by the Prosecutors...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 05:56 PM (9+ccr)

 

 

O'mara needs to go full-on Nuclear on St Trayvon the next time.  He is justified in being nice and wonderful friendly touchy feely the first time.  The second time, God Forbid, he needs to scorch the earth. 

Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 01:59 PM (D+lxs)

659 653 If the verdict is Manslaughter...can Zimmerman appeal that? Posted by: wheatie at July 13, 2013 05:58 PM (oBreQ) Yes, of course.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 01:59 PM (+98Gb)

660 Shifting from 'Hung' to 'F*cked'

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 01:59 PM (aDwsi)

661

"Jury wants clarification of manslaughter.  

  Knew manslaughter charge was coming... I'm just sick..."

 

 

There is reasonable doubt.   These gals are idiots.

 

Posted by: lily at July 13, 2013 01:59 PM (uw9jr)

662 >Yeah, and also so that they can stop themselves from showing guys blowing their brains out on live TV, like happened with that fugitive last year.


Yeah, Sheppie stepped on his microdick with that one

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 01:59 PM (8sCoq)

663 653 If the verdict is Manslaughter...can Zimmerman appeal that? yes of course

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 01:59 PM (wR+pz)

664 Let's throw 'em a bone. Manslaughter sentence can't be that bad, right? Fucking bullshit.

Posted by: RWC at July 13, 2013 01:59 PM (8FeS+)

665 Not sure if the one minority is Latina. I've heard contradicting reports - Latina or black. #Journalism

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 13, 2013 01:59 PM (FaZd9)

666 is it against the law in Florida to get out of your truck?

***

Kinda.  The actual crime is getting out of your car while white or white Hispanic.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 13, 2013 02:00 PM (VlXYw)

667 wait- the crowd will riot if it's manslaughter- they want guilty of murder

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 02:00 PM (8sCoq)

668 Branca continues to believe in the rule of law: Andrew Branca, LOSD ‏@LawSelfDefense 39s . @JackLZepp Means somebody on jury is interested in manslaughter. Show knows, maybe 5 trying to dissuade 1. Speculating.

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 13, 2013 02:00 PM (QupBk)

669 Some are trying to persuade the one or more hangups on the meaning of "manslaughter," perhaps. Would be nice if that worked.

Posted by: mindful webworker at July 13, 2013 02:00 PM (U13jb)

670 665 Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 13, 2013 05:59 PM (FaZd9) Is it me or have you been missing for a long time?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:00 PM (+98Gb)

671 Latina with 8 kids no less...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 02:00 PM (9+ccr)

672 verification on instructions for manslaughter, oh shit! *** No. This could be a good thing. It means that they already agree he's not guilt of Murder 2. Clarification of the law should revel that self-defense applies to manslaughter as well.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 02:01 PM (jjvz+)

673 Maybe they'll find him guilty of mans laughter and give him 6 months of community seriousness courses.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 13, 2013 02:01 PM (pgQxn)

674 Well there it is Manslaughter BS what a travesty , The jury thought that manslaughter is a lesser penalty by virtue of the lesser included language

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 02:01 PM (eTqV5)

675 still don't know what 'white hispanic' means

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 02:01 PM (8sCoq)

676

Was CAC always Creepy ass Cracka, or was that a coincidence?

***

I beleive it's Con Art Critic

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 05:43 PM (jjvz+)

Yep. Besides posting under that since 2009, Creepy Ass Cracka really wouldn't make much sense with me.

Posted by: CAC at July 13, 2013 02:01 PM (S75DT)

677 Is it normal for everyone to trudge back into a courtroom every time a jury has a question?

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 13, 2013 02:01 PM (X6akg)

678 do Obama and Holder have their lamb?

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 02:01 PM (KE8zQ)

679 I've heard contradicting reports - Latina or black.



I've seen Latina and black/Hispanic.  Who knows.

Posted by: Adam at July 13, 2013 02:01 PM (Aif/5)

680 668 Branca continues to believe in the rule of law: Andrew Branca, LOSD ‏@LawSelfDefense 39s . @JackLZepp Means somebody on jury is interested in manslaughter. Show knows, maybe 5 trying to dissuade 1. Speculating. Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 13, 2013 06:00 PM (QupBk) I fucking hope so. The backgrounds of 5 of these women show firearms and some law enforcement.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:01 PM (+98Gb)

681 Maybe they'll find him guilty of mans laughter and give him 6 months of community seriousness courses. Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 13, 2013 06:01 PM (pgQxn) -------------- Minimum sentence for manslaughter in FL is 25 yrs.

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 02:02 PM (eTqV5)

682 The grounds for appeal are a mob threatening violence if they don't get what they want.

Posted by: zsasz at July 13, 2013 02:02 PM (MMC8r)

683 still don't know what 'white hispanic' means

It's a hispanic with a white sounding name.

Posted by: EC at July 13, 2013 02:02 PM (doBIb)

684 Andrew Branca, LOSD ‏@LawSelfDefense 4m #zimmermantrial Jury: "May we please have clarification on instructions regarding manslaughter?"

Posted by: Ma Bell at July 13, 2013 02:02 PM (RLdcX)

685 Any chick who's been raped or knows a rape victim will tell you all about what they feel is proportional.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 05:54 PM (+98Gb)

 

 

-------------------------------------------

 

 

Except when they look at things from a point of seperation.  None of them were either Traytable or Z.   And both of them were male.  I agree with Lacy.  Six women was a bad idea  whether they find Z guilty or not.

Posted by: Soona at July 13, 2013 02:02 PM (oSsMU)

686 Unfortunately, I would expect X-X reasoning to be, "A young man died, there must be some consequence."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 02:02 PM (aDwsi)

687 Minimum sentence for manslaughter in FL is 25 yrs.

Fuck.  That seems unreasonable.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking Radlers at July 13, 2013 02:03 PM (hO8IJ)

688 Michelle Malkin ‏@michellemalkin 2m

Zimmerman judge announced that jury has q regarding instructions on definition of manslaughter.

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 02:03 PM (8sCoq)

689 675 still don't know what 'white hispanic' means Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 06:01 PM (8sCoq) Considering "hispanic" was a made up term (by Nixon I believe), it's total racist BS.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:03 PM (+98Gb)

690 654

Then again, it could be a good sign?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 05:58 PM (+98Gb)

Yes, it could be. Perhaps they've already eliminated second degree murder as a possibility and are seeing if he is even guilty of manslaughter. And perhaps it's only for one woman who is the only one who hasn't decided that he should be acquitted.

Posted by: Slappy at July 13, 2013 02:03 PM (LTbLf)

691 these twittiots don't even know what the jury's choices are.
And I suppose, it doesn't matter. 2nd degree would have them in the streets regardless.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 13, 2013 02:03 PM (pgQxn)

692 If they get the real definition of manslaughter they couldn't possibly find him guilty of that....

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 02:04 PM (9+ccr)

693 This means nothing. Sounds like they have to work on Sunday. Anyone know?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 02:04 PM (wR+pz)

694 One thing is for sure, no matter what happens, Barky will play it in some self-serving fashion.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 02:04 PM (aDwsi)

695 I'd hate to be a Florida cop right now. Thinking it's gonna be a long fucked-up night.

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 02:04 PM (8sCoq)

696 690 Posted by: Slappy at July 13, 2013 06:03 PM (LTbLf) Dear Lord I hope you are right. And I hope the others put the screws to the hold out and let justice truly be done. PLEASE!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:05 PM (+98Gb)

697
Is it illegal to get out of your truck?

Posted by: The Jury at July 13, 2013 02:05 PM (4+FWp)

698 Point in Zim's favor is that it would take a unanimous jury to convict. Just one of these women has to hold tight. Can she do it? (I don't like those odds)

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 13, 2013 02:05 PM (FaZd9)

699 So, where are we rioting if Zimmerman is convicted of anything?

Posted by: Methos is kind of bored this weekend at July 13, 2013 02:05 PM (hO9ad)

700 Andrew Branca, LOSD @LawSelfDefense .@Laughs_At_Fate In this case, MS carries potentially more time than murder 2, as practical mater, because of various "enhancements".

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 02:05 PM (eTqV5)

701 It's past 6pm in FL- these women have been deliberating 9 hrs today

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 02:05 PM (8sCoq)

702 556 Who will play Trayvon and Zimmerman in the Spike Lee movie of this farce? Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 05:43 PM (8sCoq) Danny Trejo at his most menacing as Zimmerman and Justin Bieber in black face as St. Trayvon.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2013 02:05 PM (V1ZIU)

703 The new coverage would be alot more interesting if Pattie Ann Brown and Molly Line were doing it

Posted by: Jake in ID-aquavit at July 13, 2013 02:06 PM (6LImX)

704 “There’s this expectation of violence from us,” Touré said, “which goes back to slavery, that we must keep them under control in any way possible. They are three-fifths of a human, they are animals, they might explode in violence at any moment…Violence in terms of riots have been used against the black community far more often throughout history than we have used it. So this idea that we’re just going to explode if we don’t get this verdict—that many of us don’t expect to go our way—is absurd and ahistorical and insulting.”

Posted by: RWC at July 13, 2013 02:06 PM (8FeS+)

705 691 Clutch Cargo, The pro race baiter class plays 'em like a fiddle.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 13, 2013 02:06 PM (3CRB5)

706

Chi, I'd buy that more if it was the case in every single city.

Mine is less than 43% white-alone now, but we have a median income of $78,500 and <6 murders a year, usually thanks to meth head-on-meth head violence imported from Victorville or San Bernardino.

The well-off of any stripe has little time for ignorance.

Posted by: CAC at July 13, 2013 02:06 PM (S75DT)

707 Why didn't they bring in the THC?? Stupid

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 02:06 PM (wR+pz)

708 So, where are we rioting if Zimmerman is convicted of anything?

Posted by: Methos is kind of bored this weekend at July 13, 2013 06:05 PM (hO9ad)

I've got my eye on a nice bedding set at Bed, Bath and Beyond.  

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 02:06 PM (KE8zQ)

709 686 Unfortunately, I would expect X-X reasoning to be, "A young man died, there must be some consequence."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 06:02 PM (aDwsi)

If that's true, someone needs to remind the members of the jury that there has been some consequence for Zimmerman. His life is basically ruined and he's spent over a year living in fear and having to fight for his entire future. I'm sure his finances have taken a huge hit. Plus, he and his family will continue to live in fear for the rest of his life even if he's acquitted. Those are the consequences for Zimmerman, even if he's found not guilty.

Posted by: Slappy at July 13, 2013 02:06 PM (LTbLf)

710 Is Joy Reid any relation to Aunt Esther in Sanford and Son?

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at July 13, 2013 02:07 PM (LwRkC)

711 still don't know what 'white hispanic' means

How comes it dat Zimmerman is half Hispanic and half White, well that makes him White.

Obozo is half Black and half White, well that makes him black.

And being conservative I'm the one who's race obsessed?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 13, 2013 02:07 PM (pgQxn)

712 Dear Lord I hope you are right. And I hope the others put the screws to the hold out and let justice truly be done.

PLEASE! Posted by: J.J. Sefton
------------------

Funny..., that sounds like something I said last Nov. 6th.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 02:07 PM (aDwsi)

713 From page 10 of the juror instructions: MANSLAUGHTER To prove the crime of Manslaughter, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt: 1. Trayvon Martin is dead. 2. George Zimmerman intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of Trayvon Martin. George Zimmerman cannot be guilty of manslaughter by committing a merely negligent act or if the killing was either justifiable or excusable homicide: Each of us has a duty to act reasonably toward others. If there is a violation of that duty, without any conscious intention to harm, that violation is negligence. The killing of a human being is justifiable homicide and lawful if necessarily done while resisting an attempt to murder or commit a felony upon George Zimmerman, or to commit a felony in any dwelling house in which George Zimmerman was at the time of the killing. The killing of a human being is excusable, and therefore lawful, under any one of the following three circumstances: 1. When the killing is committed by accident and misfortune in doing any lawful act by lawful means with usual ordinary caution and without any unlawful intent, or 2. When the killing occurs by accident and misfortune in the heat of passion, upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or 3. When the killing is committed by accident and misfortune resulting from a sudden combat, if a dangerous weapon is not used and the killing is not done in a cruel or unusual manner. In order to convict of manslaughter by act, it is not necessary for the State to prove that George Zimmerman had an intent to cause death, only an intent to commit an act that was not merely negligent, justified, or excusable and which caused death. If you find George Zimmerman committed Manslaughter, and you also find beyond a reasonable doubt that during the commission of the Manslaughter, George Zimmerman carried, displayed, used, threatened to use, or attempted to use a firearm, you should check the appropriate box on the verdict form which I will discuss with you later in these instructions. The definition of a Afirearm@ has been previously provided in these instructions.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:07 PM (+98Gb)

714 Michelle Malkin ‏@michellemalkin 1m

Zimmerman court now in recess for 30 minutes.

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 02:07 PM (8sCoq)

715
Obviously 2nd degree is out now.

Manslaughter seems to be at 50 50.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 13, 2013 02:07 PM (4+FWp)

716 It makes me sick to think they are even considering manslaughter... Bet they wouldn't if they new the sentence would actually be as long or longer than murder 2...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 02:07 PM (9+ccr)

717 Danny Trejo at his most menacing as Zimmerman and Justin Bieber in black face as St. Trayvon. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 13, 2013 06:05 PM (V1ZIU) 'Webster' could probably use the work.

Posted by: RWC at July 13, 2013 02:07 PM (8FeS+)

718 704 RWC, Tarde wants his cake and to eat it too..

Posted by: sven10077 at July 13, 2013 02:07 PM (3CRB5)

719 One thing is for sure, no matter what happens, Barky will play it in some self-serving fashion.

If I had a dead son, he'd look like Trayvon. Except Michelle had him aborted, so he'd be smaller. And in pieces.

Posted by: Barry the Magnificent at July 13, 2013 02:07 PM (hO9ad)

720 If there's only one game in town, and the only way to get your way is to threaten violence and riot, then patriots are going to have to start playing by those rules. I expected Without Rule Of Law to come after an EMP explosion or economic collapse. But the lights are still on and the banks are open, and here we are.

Posted by: En Raged at July 13, 2013 02:07 PM (QZvo7)

721 712 Funny..., that sounds like something I said last Nov. 6th. Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 06:07 PM (aDwsi) Yeah and last June 30th and November 6th of 2008.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:07 PM (+98Gb)

722 Sorry about my sock.

Posted by: tony redenzo at July 13, 2013 02:07 PM (LwRkC)

723 I've got my eye on a nice bedding set at Bed, Bath and Beyond. Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 06:06 PM (KE8zQ) Me and my ID homies are already planning on rioting at the John Deer dealership and the Auto Parts Store just down the road fo' realz'

Posted by: Jake in ID-aquavit at July 13, 2013 02:08 PM (6LImX)

724 Patton Oswalt as Zimmerman

a 6 yr old boy as Trayvon

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 02:09 PM (8sCoq)

725 705 The pro race baiter class plays 'em like a fiddle.

Or in this case an old comb and piece of wax paper.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 13, 2013 02:09 PM (pgQxn)

726 Judge recessed for 30 minutes, seeking case law to support leaving a vehicle is grounds for manslaughter. 

Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 02:09 PM (D+lxs)

727 There’s this expectation of violence from us,” Touré said, “which goes back to slavery, that we must keep them under control in any way possible. They are three-fifths of a human,

***

3/5? Did anybody have Toure ranked that high?

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 13, 2013 02:09 PM (VlXYw)

728 Ho Lee Fuk. We have 4100 votes and only 700 comments?? Are dead people voting?

Posted by: L, elle at July 13, 2013 02:10 PM (0PiQ4)

729 From that WSJ link: Voluntary manslaughter is a catch-all offense that includes a killing caused by “culpable negligence.” My question is how far back in time from the moment of the fatal shot does the window run for culpable negligence? Does it go all the way back to when Zimmerman first spotted Martin or does it only extend back to when their altercation began? Or something else?

Posted by: Y-not at July 13, 2013 02:10 PM (5H6zj)

730 While they're recessed, do we get a new thread, or are we gonna push the hamsters to the max?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking Radlers at July 13, 2013 02:10 PM (hO8IJ)

731

I hope he's innocent because he is and if there is a guilty verdict, there goes our right to protect ourselves.  Frigging media and TFG made it about race!

They are more racist than the KKK now. It's reverse racism.

Posted by: CarolT at July 13, 2013 02:10 PM (z4WKX)

732 726 Judge recessed for 30 minutes, seeking case law to support leaving a vehicle is grounds for manslaughter. Not really?

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 02:10 PM (9+ccr)

733 This decision is important because it speaks to the level of awareness in the country. We can't depend on the rule of law, or the morality of a power hungry top heavy government, as this case has shown, we have to look to the strength of individuals. Dred justice Roberts showed us that we can't depend on SCOTUS.

Posted by: MountainTurtle at July 13, 2013 02:10 PM (y5PQh)

734 Tammy Bruce ‏@HeyTammyBruce 2m

Wrong allowing manslaughter for Zimmerman. It was self defense (he subjectively believed he was in danger) or it wasn't=acquittal or murder

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 02:10 PM (8sCoq)

735 The jury instruction sheet must have been writing by the same people who wrote the Jim Crow voter intelligence tests.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:10 PM (+98Gb)

736 704

And yet, Neblett and his ilk are perfectly willing to use and indulge that expectation of violence.

That's something that doesn't get mentioned much-- there is a definite notion among blacks that they can frighten white people easily.  I've seen this myself.  I think it's a motivator for the angry protest, the aggressive stance, the inflammatory rhetoric-- many blacks assume that an aggressive black person can bluff the white person into backing down or running away.  I've actually made people who tried it deflate by laughing at them.


Posted by: zsasz at July 13, 2013 02:11 PM (MMC8r)

737 Are dead people voting? Posted by: L, elle at July 13, 2013 06:10 PM (0PiQ4) lurkers prolly

Posted by: Jake in ID-aquavit at July 13, 2013 02:11 PM (6LImX)

738

I worried about manslaughter.

The jury may see that as a "compromise" even though it's not.

The idea of "lesser includeds" needs to go IMHO, charge what you think you can prosecute, nothing more.

(I would note that the Casey Anthony Jury found not guilty, but IIRC they didn't have any lesser includeds.)

Posted by: tsrblke at July 13, 2013 02:11 PM (GaqMa)

739 Wrong allowing manslaughter for Zimmerman. It was self defense (he subjectively believed he was in danger) or it wasn't=acquittal or murder Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 06:10 PM (8sCoq) But a self-defense plea covers manslaughter too.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 13, 2013 02:12 PM (X6akg)

740 728 Are dead people voting?

Don't forget Daisy.
She's a bright little dog and those are just radio buttons for Christ's sake.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 13, 2013 02:12 PM (pgQxn)

741 728 Ho Lee Fuk. We have 4100 votes and only 700 comments?? Are dead people voting? People cheat

Posted by: Hung won tu many Aces at July 13, 2013 02:12 PM (wR+pz)

742 Manslaughter carries more time then Murder 2 WTF is wrong with FLORIDA?????/

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 02:12 PM (eTqV5)

743 Patton Oswalt as Zimmerman



And this is a still of him playing Zimmerman.



http://tinyurl.com/nuzhoze

Posted by: Spike Lee at July 13, 2013 02:12 PM (Aif/5)

744 699 So, where are we rioting if Zimmerman is convicted of anything?

Posted by: Methos is kind of bored this weekend at July 13, 2013 06:05 PM (hO9ad)

Personally, I've decided to target my local Best Western. I'm short sheeting as many beds as I can. It's the chosen form of protest by us middle-class Caucasians. However, depending on how I feel, I may also take a crap in a room and not flush the toilet. That'll show "The Man."

Posted by: Slappy at July 13, 2013 02:12 PM (LTbLf)

745 Rene Stutzman ‏@renestutzman 4m Judge just recessed for 30min. Attys and #Zimmerman file out. I'm guessing attys are scrambling for case law.

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 13, 2013 02:12 PM (cjFRv)

746 Ho Lee Fuk. We have 4100 votes and only 700 comments??
Are dead people voting?

Worse. Ronulans

Posted by: Methos at July 13, 2013 02:13 PM (hO9ad)

747 yeah, they're arguing over manslaughter. That's the hold up.

Posted by: stace NOW what?! at July 13, 2013 02:13 PM (DX63t)

748 It sounds like a juror is holding out against acquittal on the grounds that, "He shouldn't have gotten out of the truck."

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 13, 2013 02:13 PM (lr3d7)

749 Toure should read the twitterz threats to riot and go kill random white people. 

That dude is so far out even the Hubble telescope can't find him

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 13, 2013 02:13 PM (lm0Rv)

750 The well-off of any stripe has little time for ignorance. Posted by: CAC at July 13, 2013 06:06 PM (S75DT) And the most trouble and violence always comes from the poorest part of any city, regardless of what color the inhabitants are.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 02:14 PM (Pb0zF)

751 Does anyone know what the question is? Other than its about manslaughter?

Posted by: USA at July 13, 2013 02:14 PM (VIaw0)

752 My question is how far back in time from the moment of the fatal shot does the window run for culpable negligence? Does it go all the way back to when Zimmerman first spotted Martin or does it only extend back to when their altercation began? Or something else? Birth. But not one second before. Well, maybe a little after...

Posted by: Wendy "Kill em all, let Gaia sort 'em out" Davis at July 13, 2013 02:14 PM (xSegX)

753 I think the continued use of term of "manslaughter" is bad.  Its an arcane/legalistic term that has little use in common langauge.  Rename is unjustified-killing. Like I said earlier, a lot of people think MS = accidental cause of death.

Posted by: Prosecutor Guy at July 13, 2013 02:14 PM (UOjzE)

754 736 704 And yet, Neblett and his ilk are perfectly willing to use and indulge that expectation of violence. That's something that doesn't get mentioned much-- there is a definite notion among blacks that they can frighten white people easily. I've seen this myself. I think it's a motivator for the angry protest, the aggressive stance, the inflammatory rhetoric-- many blacks assume that an aggressive black person can bluff the white person into backing down or running away. I've actually made people who tried it deflate by laughing at them. Posted by: zsasz at July 13, 2013 06:11 PM (MMC8r) This is why they can say the word nig&er with impunity, especially in front of white people. It's to intimidate and lord over us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:14 PM (+98Gb)

755 Have they come back with the extra-legal manslaughter compromise verdict yet?

Posted by: forest at July 13, 2013 02:15 PM (stMuz)

756 Uh..., is there a separate link to vote?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 02:15 PM (aDwsi)

757 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF DEADLY FORCE An issue in this case is whether George Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It is a defense to the crime of Second Degree Murder, and the lesser included offense of Manslaughter, if the death of Trayvon Martin resulted from the justifiable use of deadly force. “Deadly force” means force likely to cause death or great bodily harm. A person is justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself. In deciding whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force was used. The danger facing George Zimmerman need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, George Zimmerman must have actually believed that the danger was real. If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. In considering the issue of self-defense, you may take into account the relative physical abilities and capacities of George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. If in your consideration of the issue of self-defense you have a reasonable doubt on the question of whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you should find George Zimmerman not guilty.

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 13, 2013 02:15 PM (QupBk)

758 I hope he's innocent because he is and if there is a guilty verdict, there goes our right to protectourselves.

No. Our rights are from God and therefore inalienable.

But to protect them in a case of self defense, it would probably be for the best to leave the police out of it.

Posted by: Methos at July 13, 2013 02:15 PM (hO9ad)

759 Leaving your truck is manslaughter if you are a designated neighborhood watchman and there have been over 7 robberies all by blacks in your complex? Now I've heard everything. Now I'm praying one of these women isn't brain dead and holds out...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 02:15 PM (9+ccr)

760 If judge Farley does not include self defense eliminates the manslaughter charge in the clarification the GZ is HoLee Fuk'd.

Posted by: Alf767 at July 13, 2013 02:15 PM (C26bh)

761 There’s this expectation of violence from us,” Touré said, “which
goes back to slavery, that we must keep them under control in any way
possible. They are three-fifths of a human,

***

3/5? Did anybody have Toure ranked that high?

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 13, 2013 06:09 PM (VlXYw)


More than that, little Neblett's argument is poo-poo.

Blacks being 3/5s for apportionment purposes didn't do anything to keep them down more, they weren't voting ANYWAY.  As far as voting was concerned, they were 0/5s.

Posted by: zsasz at July 13, 2013 02:15 PM (MMC8r)

762 If Zimmerman is convicted, the only conclusion one can reasonably draw is that it has become illegal for a white man to defend himself against a black man in this country under this president.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 13, 2013 02:15 PM (wQyqw)

763 The judge is a piece of shit.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 02:16 PM (wR+pz)

764 Instead of rioting, maybe we can bring Michael Richards out of mothballs, get him high on "drank" and throw him onstage at the Apollo Theatre...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:16 PM (+98Gb)

765 BTW, the "Manslaughter, a lesser charge" on the verdict forms is 100% grade-A bullshit if indeed the sentencing enhancements can make it a longer sentence than Murder-2.

Posted by: Prosecutor Guy at July 13, 2013 02:16 PM (UOjzE)

766 Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 8s Martin's parents have not been in court today. #Zimmermanon9 's parents have. Must be out picking his and her solid gold toothpicks.

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 13, 2013 02:17 PM (cjFRv)

767 How can 6 intelligent women judge this to be anything but self defense. It is unbelievable. If they are they are falling into the states emotional lies. Those remarks on closing should have been disallowed by the judge since they were not supported by factis.

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 02:17 PM (eTqV5)

768 It is illegal to defend yourself against a black person if the President of the United States is half-black

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 02:17 PM (8sCoq)

769

And the most trouble and violence always comes from the poorest part of any city, regardless of what color the inhabitants are.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 06:14 PM (Pb0zF)

 

 

And they destroy their own neighborhoods. 

there are always crazies that like to burn things.  And they will try to burn down their entire neighborhood in a riot.

Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 02:17 PM (D+lxs)

770 >>>> lurkers prolly Do we really have that many lurkers? We have a bunch at the Yahoo group too. I have heard more than once that EoJ scares people. Lol!

Posted by: L, elle at July 13, 2013 02:17 PM (0PiQ4)

771 Maybe, Sybrina is getting Trayvon's baby pics tattooed on her other breast...

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 13, 2013 02:17 PM (cjFRv)

772

Posted by: Methos at July 13, 2013 06:15 PM (hO9ad)

 

Still better to be judged by 12 (or 6 in Florida) than carried by 6.

His chances of survival are still likely better than they were with Trayvon, who probably was so inundated in hip hop culture he thought a body count would be cool.

Posted by: tsrblke at July 13, 2013 02:18 PM (GaqMa)

773 Let's see. GZ was sucker-punched in the face and having his head pummeled into the ground. I would say that that would qualify as someone believing they were in mortal danger and that he had the right to shoot to defend himself. A-fucking-QUITTAL, damn it!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:18 PM (+98Gb)

774 GZ hurt himself badly by talking to the police. Absent his derogatory comments on the phone and the inconsistent statements present in his video re-enactment, he'd be home watching television right now.

Posted by: Blacksheep at July 13, 2013 02:18 PM (bS6uW)

775 765 BTW, the "Manslaughter, a lesser charge" on the verdict forms is 100% grade-A bullshit if indeed the sentencing enhancements can make it a longer sentence than Murder-2. Posted by: Prosecutor Guy at July 13, 2013 06:16 PM (UOjzE) I'm sure Judge Farley explained that clearly to the jurors. /s barf.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:19 PM (+98Gb)

776 233 The number of people voting doesn't shock me. I noticed that phenomenon at Althouse s couple years ago when she put up a poll about something, with just the usual couple dozen commenters there, and it got like 600 hits in 10 minutes. I asked, and sure enough, that was pretty normal. Lurkers outnumber posters by a lot more than I'd thought. Posted by: Lincolntf at July 13, 2013 04:38 PM (ZshNr)

Posted by: Jake in ID-aquavit at July 13, 2013 02:19 PM (6LImX)

777

Obama voter fighting spawn of Obama voter in rigged liberal court. More popcorn please.

Posted by: tony redenzo at July 13, 2013 02:20 PM (LwRkC)

778

683still don't know what 'white hispanic' means

It's a hispanic with a white sounding name.

 

Not really.  Have you ever heard of Bill Richardson, the former Democrat Governor of New Mexico and Clinton Administration gopher (he was the one who offered Monica L. a job in the Department of Energy or the UN or some where if she would STFU) being referred to as a "white Hispanic"?  It seems to have been invented for just one person in particular.  Although I am sure it will be used in the future for people like Ted Cruz.  i.e. Hispanics who are OK to hate.

Posted by: TanarUr at July 13, 2013 02:20 PM (S4N/h)

779 It is illegal to defend yourself against a black person if the President of the United States is half-black Even if you are less than white than Obama and more black than Homer Plessy. What a debacle.

Posted by: Blacksheep at July 13, 2013 02:20 PM (bS6uW)

780 There was a court case in the UK recently where the jury came back repeatedly to the judge with a long string of dopey questions about what various points in the jury instructions meant.

The judge finally lost his shit and told the jurors that he was not going to waste time further "clarifying" things that had already been written down for them in plain English.

Unfortunately, this turns out to be a massive problem. Because as critical reading skills have slumped all through the Anglosphere, so have the abilities of jurors to actually be able to parse what the instructions tell them.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 13, 2013 02:20 PM (gqT4g)

781 Don't you love my daughter the Judge?

Posted by: Helen Thomas at July 13, 2013 02:20 PM (wR+pz)

782 wow I hit triple natural. 777. More popcorn please.

Posted by: tony redenzo at July 13, 2013 02:21 PM (LwRkC)

783 606 591

I think Tammy Bruce is really attractive. I'd hit on her if she wasn't a lesbian and I wasn't married.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 05:51 PM (+98Gb)

Anymore caveats? You do have genitals, correct?

Posted by: Slappy at July 13, 2013 02:21 PM (LTbLf)

784 Six women on the jury?   Don't they have to wait for their mentrual periods to synchronize?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 13, 2013 02:21 PM (mvenn)

785 Thinking back on the Judge's ruling to exclude the fighting/bloody nose texts from Trayvon's phone, how does the Judge know this note actually came from the jury? Anyone can get hold of a piece of paper.

Posted by: USA at July 13, 2013 02:21 PM (VIaw0)

786 769 And they destroy their own neighborhoods. there are always crazies that like to burn things. And they will try to burn down their entire neighborhood in a riot. Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 06:17 PM (D+lxs) Fine by me. I honestly feel sorry for people who are decent and trapped there. But on the whole, if the others don't recognize that they are political pawns, then let them go to hell.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:21 PM (+98Gb)

787 783 Anymore caveats? You do have genitals, correct? Posted by: Slappy at July 13, 2013 06:21 PM (LTbLf) In spades...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:22 PM (+98Gb)

788 779 It is illegal to defend yourself against a black person if the President of the United States is half-black Don't laugh. Ask any Highway Patrolman.

Posted by: Helen Thomas at July 13, 2013 02:22 PM (wR+pz)

789 I think people lurk because they don't think their funny and clever enough. You'd think my presence would reassure them along those lines. Unlurk, damn you!

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 02:22 PM (Pb0zF)

790 Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 9m

Jury instructions: Jurors cannot convict on manslaughter in this case if #TrayvonMartin's death justified, excusable, negligent or accident.

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 02:23 PM (8sCoq)

791 Given the jurors inquiry, a second poll should be started.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 02:23 PM (aDwsi)

792 off damn sock

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 02:23 PM (wR+pz)

793 What is considered a very long deliberation for a jury?

Posted by: Prosecutor Guy at July 13, 2013 02:23 PM (UOjzE)

794 So Z wasn't "injured" enough to use self-defense? If they do this fuck them all. May they be haunted by what they did...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 02:23 PM (9+ccr)

795 We morons should remember that the manslaughter clarification may be needed because ONE juror is hung up or confused about the instructions regarding justifiable homicide.(I can't imagine why, I"m reasonably intelligent and I had to read through the above instructions three times to make sure I understood them). It is the duty of the jury to have a unanimous decision, therefore, the foreman or others in the jury may be trying to help sway an undecided or a juror who is on the other side of the fence.

Posted by: Jen at July 13, 2013 02:24 PM (lyQcA)

796 I am incredibly glad I'm not on this jury.

The other jurors would be having to forcibly restrain me from sending out a note to the judge reading, "So if Chewbacca, a Wookie, lives on the planet Endor, the prosecution's case makes no sense, and we must acquit?"

Posted by: torquewrench at July 13, 2013 02:24 PM (gqT4g)

797 I was told the jury requested clarification on the instructions for manslaughter? Is anyone else dismayed by this?

Posted by: Dianna at July 13, 2013 02:24 PM (mKMj1)

798 Manslaughter is 30 years. Ladies, THINK! This was self-defense, plain and simple. I hope there is a mistrial declared or appeals or filings of some sort because of the prosecutors misdeeds. If not, I will always hold OÂ’Mara responsible for not taking out the brass knuckles and telling the bald-faced against the Trayon the thug, the Martins, Crump, Corey, BLDR, Mantei, Guy, Obama, Holder, Sharpton, Jackson and the NBPP.

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 02:24 PM (eTqV5)

799 In spades... Posted by: J.J. Sefton
-----------

Racist!

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 02:24 PM (aDwsi)

800 If I remember correctly, using the gun doubles the manslaughter sentence.

Posted by: UWP at July 13, 2013 02:24 PM (r98SZ)

801 I axed this before. Does anyone know why CNN's feed was always 2 seconds ahead of Fox? I notice this on a lot of live feeds.

Does Fox have a delay for some reason?

The amount of delay depends on the amount of  processing in the digital signal chain. Frame synchronizers, satellite uplinks/downlinks all add to the delay. At times, the delay can be so pronounced that lip sync, even in the same plant, can be affected, and adjustments have to be made to compensate. Every piece of equipment in the signal chain adds to the delay, and it does eventually add up. Add the cable system equipment into the mix and you can have a notifiable delay between channels.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 13, 2013 02:24 PM (TPimP)

802

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 06:21 PM (+98Gb)

 

 

And thanks to the glories of section 8, they will be moving into YOUR neighborhood.  

 

Cannot find it, but there was a study that shows crime follows section 8 into the suburbs of Atlanta or somewhere in GA or AL.   Its patrons have a corrosive effect on the community. 

Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 02:25 PM (D+lxs)

803 Must be out picking his and her solid gold toothpicks. Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 13, 2013 06:17 PM (cjFRv) Pops is getting his neck tattoo redone to the original 'CaT.' Screw that 'hands in prayer' nonsense that he covered it up with.

Posted by: RWC at July 13, 2013 02:25 PM (8FeS+)

804 How can 6 intelligent women judge this to be anything but self defense. It is unbelievable. If they are they are falling into the states emotional lies. Those remarks on closing should have been disallowed by the judge since they were not supported by factis. *** Gregg Jarrett just made a good point. THe jury is likely moving through the jury instructions in sequential order. That means that they will get to self-defense following their consideration of Manslaughter.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 02:25 PM (jjvz+)

805 798 Manslaughter is 30 years. Ladies, THINK! This was self-defense, plain and simple. But I don't think they know that... Probably think it is a lesser charge...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 02:25 PM (9+ccr)

806 790 Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 9m Jury instructions: Jurors cannot convict on manslaughter in this case if #TrayvonMartin's death justified, excusable, negligent or accident. Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 06:23 PM (8sCoq) That's good then. 3 out of 4 are definitely true and excusable is 65-35. And since it seems as if murder 2 is out the window (a lot of the same criteria to convict for either charge), the tea leaves seem to be pointing to acquittal?????

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:25 PM (+98Gb)

807

Florida is not a 'lesser included charges' state. That is why Casey Anthony walked. Adding a manslaughter charge after the defense had already rested is not just unethical, it may have been illegal.

 

 

 

Not that the stupid scrunt of a 'judge' would have any concept of that.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at July 13, 2013 02:26 PM (ial2b)

808 I am still cynical enough to believe that they're arguing 2nd degree and MS.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 02:26 PM (Pb0zF)

809 I axed this before. Does anyone know why CNN's feed was always 2 seconds ahead of Fox? I notice this on a lot of live feeds. *** They did during the trial because of the cursing. I'm not sure about now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 02:26 PM (jjvz+)

810 Clarification on manslaughter might mean one of them might want manslaughter and the others are trying to convince it isn't so they had the judge clarify.

Posted by: Shonuff at July 13, 2013 02:26 PM (jo0fs)

811 790 Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 9m

Jury instructions: Jurors cannot convict on manslaughter in this case if #TrayvonMartin's death justified, excusable, negligent or accident.

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 13, 2013 06:23 PM (8sCoq)

Based on the evidence, "excusable" is obvious and "justified" is valid (and even "negligent" could be looked at since testimony indicated that soon after the shooting Zimmerman didn't even know that his shot had killed Trayvon).

Posted by: Slappy at July 13, 2013 02:26 PM (LTbLf)

812 I said it earlier, they have one dumb fuck on the jury, who is also on a mission of "JUSTICE 4 TRAYVON". Hung jury.

Posted by: UWP at July 13, 2013 02:26 PM (r98SZ)

813 I am trialed out. Going to watch something stupid on tv, BBL no not pron.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 02:26 PM (wR+pz)

814 802 Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 06:25 PM (D+lxs) Dude. Right now, I'm in SoHo. They may be lefty liberals but they don't like those kind of schvartzes.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:27 PM (+98Gb)

815 797 I was told the jury requested clarification on the instructions for manslaughter? Is anyone else dismayed by this? - Yup.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at July 13, 2013 02:27 PM (/+EhN)

816 784 Six women on the jury? Don't they have to wait for their mentrual periods to synchronize? Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 13, 2013 06:21 PM (mvenn) only hetero or wimmins exposed to sperm sync Lesbians don't sync

Posted by: Jake in ID-aquavit at July 13, 2013 02:27 PM (6LImX)

817
How crazy of a troll by the jury if after giving one of these questions, immediately follow 5-minutes later with a "verdict is decide!" before the court even gets a chance to address the question just sent out.  The lawyers would be going "WUT? WUT?!" in their heads.

Posted by: Prosecutor Guy at July 13, 2013 02:27 PM (UOjzE)

818 What really others me is that the "lessor" included offense, has a greater punishment. It's a psychological trap for the jurors.

Posted by: Jean at July 13, 2013 02:27 PM (CMlD4)

819 Seems to me that a hot, July evening is a really bad time to announce any verdict. I haven't been watching the trial, is this one of those old Southern courthouses with the ceiling fans?

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 13, 2013 02:28 PM (i0tgq)

820 So, I read there are shirts of Zimmerman with his face in crosshairs -- the back of the shirt reads something along the lines of "yes sir ... creepy ass cracker."

On Twitchy today.

Explain why President Hypocritical Fuckwad and the Racebait Brigade, aka the Democrat Party, are letting this go.

Weren't crosshairs on a fucking MAP enough for them to blame Palin for the Giffords shooting?  Do they think we don't have a long term memory, or are they really this brazen and shameless?

Oh, right, morals are for OTHER people, not Leftists ... sorry, just so pissed at the blatant, rampant Double Standards here.

Posted by: acethepug at July 13, 2013 02:28 PM (4kvfA)

821 so is the 30 minute recess to allow the attorneys to agree on language.

Posted by: spypeach at July 13, 2013 02:28 PM (0n1+D)

822 Oh, shit the rain has arrived! Going West from East so Mike it's coming your way.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 02:28 PM (wR+pz)

823

789 I think people lurk because they don't think their funny and clever enough.

 

That's never stopped me.

Posted by: wheatie at July 13, 2013 02:28 PM (oBreQ)

824 This scrunt on FNC is pissing me off.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 02:29 PM (jjvz+)

825 Lesbians don't sync Posted by: Jake in ID-aquavit at July 13, 2013 06:27 PM Some bleed from the arse

Posted by: Janet Napolitano at July 13, 2013 02:29 PM (MhA4j)

826 I wondered if they could add manslaughter basically after the trial was wrapped up? Any lawyers here?

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 02:30 PM (9+ccr)

827 Again, I know that there is at least one juror who has some sort of law enforcement background, either directly or through a spouse. If as many think (erroneously I hope) that they're dumb enough to compromise then maybe they're dumb enough to ask what the sentencing is. I'm thinking it will be a hung jury because of the stooge plant.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:30 PM (+98Gb)

828 Unfortunately, I would expect X-X reasoning to be, "A young man died, there must be some consequence." Yup.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 13, 2013 02:30 PM (azHfB)

829 Gregg Jarrett just made a good point. THe jury is likely moving through the jury instructions in sequential order. That means that they will get to self-defense following their consideration of Manslaughter. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 06:25 PM (jjvz+) ----------- I hope you're right, but I really think they have given in to political pressures for GZ's scalp.

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 02:30 PM (eTqV5)

830 Meanwhile... the is NO ammo at Wally World here except for a few boxes of 30-.06 They were completely empty.. (-Things that make you go "Hmm?"...)

Posted by: catman at July 13, 2013 02:30 PM (KFR3j)

831 so is the 30 minute recess to allow the attorneys to agree on language. Posted by: spypeach at July 13, 2013 06:28 PM Judge back in chambers to study case law

Posted by: Janet Napolitano at July 13, 2013 02:30 PM (MhA4j)

832 This scrunt on FNC is pissing me off. Even intelligent liberal women are morons. The emotional override switch apparently short-circuits the logic network.

Posted by: Blacksheep at July 13, 2013 02:31 PM (bS6uW)

833 818 What really others me is that the "lessor" included offense, has a greater punishment. It's a psychological trap for the jurors.

Posted by: Jean at July 13, 2013 06:27 PM (CMlD4)

That and the fact that the prosecution basically can use manslaughter as their back-up plan for getting a conviction. I ranted about this earlier today in another thread (I believe). Prosecutors should not be able to charge people with multiple variations (or tiers) of the same crime, with the hope that one sticks. Or, in this case, one charge is possible seen as the compromise among the jurors.

Posted by: Slappy at July 13, 2013 02:31 PM (LTbLf)

834 824 This scrunt on FNC is pissing me off. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 06:29 PM (jjvz+) Nice to have company

Posted by: RWC at July 13, 2013 02:31 PM (8FeS+)

835 Is it wrong for me to consider supporting amnesty if the latinos of Florida riot if there is Guilty verdict

Posted by: The Chicken at July 13, 2013 02:31 PM (Pr6hk)

836 Asking questions about manslaughter means murder2 is done.

Posted by: Jean at July 13, 2013 02:31 PM (CMlD4)

837 I've spent my entire day waiting for various things with my sick corgi. It's really a sucky day when anticipating a bad verdict is actually a decent distraction.

Posted by: Dianna at July 13, 2013 02:31 PM (mKMj1)

838 820 Posted by: acethepug at July 13, 2013 06:28 PM (4kvfA) They're the good guys. We are evil. No more, no less.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:31 PM (+98Gb)

839 Gregg Jarrett just made a good point. THe jury is likely moving through the jury instructions in sequential order. That means that they will get to self-defense following their consideration of Manslaughter.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 06:25 PM (jjvz+)

That's retarded (sir).  You can't answer the first two without having the answer to self-defense.  Its right there in the descriptions, referencing "unjustified" use of force.

Posted by: Prosecutor Guy at July 13, 2013 02:32 PM (UOjzE)

840

I think people lurk because they don't think their funny and clever enough.

 

*****

 

But once you start commenting, you can't stop until you say something funny and/or clever.  So we keep on trying.

 

 

At least that's my excuse.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 13, 2013 02:32 PM (mvenn)

841 I do not lurk.. I surveil!

Posted by: catman at July 13, 2013 02:32 PM (KFR3j)

842 Judge back in chambers to study case law Yeah, she needs to watching this trial proves she doesn't have a clue about "law."

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 02:32 PM (9+ccr)

843 Chicken, it would take some of the bite out of me.

Posted by: Jean at July 13, 2013 02:32 PM (CMlD4)

844 837 I've spent my entire day waiting for various things with my sick corgi. It's really a sucky day when anticipating a bad verdict is actually a decent distraction. Posted by: Dianna at July 13, 2013 06:31 PM (mKMj1) My heart goes out to you. Lived with a corgi mix for a few years (my housemate's dog) and I really loved that boy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:33 PM (+98Gb)

845

So, I read there are shirts of Zimmerman with his face in crosshairs -- the back of the shirt reads something along the lines of "yes sir ... creepy ass cracker."

On Twitchy today.

Explain why President Hypocritical Fuckwad and the Racebait Brigade, aka the Democrat Party, are letting this go.

Weren't crosshairs on a fucking MAP enough for them to blame Palin for the Giffords shooting? Do they think we don't have a long term memory, or are they really this brazen and shameless?

Oh, right, morals are for OTHER people, not Leftists ... sorry, just so pissed at the blatant, rampant Double Standards here.

 

 

If someone with a rifle used him for a target, that would be wrong.  It is murder.   But also hysterically funny, just like the coyote in the road runner cartoon. 

Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 02:33 PM (D+lxs)

846 Billy Bob - Probably an hour or more out. Looks like upstate SC gonna get it again. The shit's coming from all directions this past week.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 02:33 PM (aDwsi)

847 823 789 I think people lurk because they don't think their funny and clever enough. That's never stopped me. Posted by: wheatie at July 13, 2013 06:28 PM (oBreQ) wheatie, you crack me up all the time! OMG, I DO know that should have been "they're" and I can't even blame auto-correct! ops: ops:

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 02:33 PM (Pb0zF)

848 * sock off *

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 13, 2013 02:33 PM (UOjzE)

849 837 I've spent my entire day waiting for various things with my sick corgi. It's really a sucky day when anticipating a bad verdict is actually a decent distraction. Posted by: Dianna at July 13, 2013 06:31 PM (mKMj1) Hope all goes well with your doggy!

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 02:34 PM (9+ccr)

850 I think people lurk because they don't think their funny and clever enough. You'd think my presence would reassure them along those lines. Unlurk, damn you! Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 06:22 PM (Pb0zF) I lurked for quite a while before I got brave, which probably also helped because I had a general clue about the posters/style of posting before I jumped in. There were several lurkers who attended the NoVaMoMee.

Posted by: Vendette at July 13, 2013 02:34 PM (yrR4Z)

851 Judge back in chambers to study case law  have more doughnuts and get her hair styled.

Posted by: Janet Napolitano at July 13, 2013 06:30 PM (MhA4j)

 

 

****

 

FIFY

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 13, 2013 02:34 PM (mvenn)

852 #826, the only reason I know this is because I've been reading over at Legal Insurrection. The manslaughter charge is, in Florida, a lesser included charge with Murder 2.

The other, "lesser" charges the persecution was hoping to add were not "included" charges. They were attempts to offer the jury "compromises" that would appease the race-baiters, and yet be easy enough to overturn, and not send the hot potato back to the local court.

Posted by: Dianna at July 13, 2013 02:34 PM (mKMj1)

853 842 Judge back in chambers to study case law She is pulling up Perry Mason episode 37, to check facts.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 02:34 PM (wR+pz)

854 That's retarded (sir). You can't answer the first two without having the answer to self-defense. Its right there in the descriptions, referencing "unjustified" use of force. *** The jury instructions discuss self-defense later. It is more encompassing that the exceptions to Manslaughter.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 02:34 PM (jjvz+)

855 Posted by: Dianna at July 13, 2013 06:31 PM (mKMj1) Hope your dog is OK ... don't know if you mean 'sick as in ill' or 'sick as in dying' (hopefully the former), but that's a stressful situation in any event. The HQ brings the dog love, and I hope your pooch is back on all fours in short order.

Posted by: Blacksheep at July 13, 2013 02:35 PM (bS6uW)

856 There were several lurkers who attended the NoVaMoMee.

Posted by: Vendette at July 13, 2013 06:34 PM (yrR4Z)

 

*****

 

Did they sit in the corner and not say anything?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 13, 2013 02:35 PM (mvenn)

857 Now Branca's worried: "Andrew Branca, LOSD @LawSelfDefense .@ts14ts It suggests to me that they didn't take MOM's advice and start with SD. If they had decided against SD, MS is a no-brainer gulity." MOM = Mark O'Mara

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:36 PM (+98Gb)

858 My heart goes out to you. Lived with a corgi mix for a few years (my housemate's dog) and I really loved that boy. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 06:33 PM (+98Gb) The twitter account @EmergencyPuppy often has corgi pics, especially puppies.

Posted by: Vendette at July 13, 2013 02:36 PM (yrR4Z)

859 Did they sit in the corner and not say anything? No, they worked the buffet line.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 13, 2013 02:36 PM (i0tgq)

860 Hope O'mara can get wording saying, You must believe there is NO reasonable doubt it was not self-defense in order to convict on Man-Slaughter. 

Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 02:37 PM (D+lxs)

861 Did they sit in the corner and not say anything? Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 13, 2013 06:35 PM (mvenn) Nope, they socialized.

Posted by: Vendette at July 13, 2013 02:37 PM (yrR4Z)

862 Wait..., 'Clever or funny'...? I am so screwed..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 13, 2013 02:37 PM (aDwsi)

863 Thanks, everyone, for your good wishes for my corgi. He has lymphoma, and he's not going to "recover"; we're hoping for a couple months of decent quality of life for him.

Posted by: Dianna at July 13, 2013 02:37 PM (mKMj1)

864
The judge needs to go watch nancy grace to find out how to rule on the question.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 13, 2013 02:37 PM (4+FWp)

865 Our corgi is 14 years old.  Still going, but he's in his golden years.

Posted by: zsasz at July 13, 2013 02:38 PM (MMC8r)

866 Oh, Dianna.... hugs. Corgis are adorable. Vendette, I'm so glad you got brave! You are an asset for sure!

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 02:38 PM (Pb0zF)

867 So, being too lazy to read upthread for hundreds of comments, does is look like Murder 2 for the white Hispanic?

Posted by: George Orwell half in the bag at July 13, 2013 02:38 PM (mCNwt)

868 He has lymphoma, and he's not going to "recover"; we're hoping for a couple months of decent quality of life for him. Very sorry, Dianna. Prayers out for you and yours, especially your baby. Sad.

Posted by: Blacksheep at July 13, 2013 02:39 PM (bS6uW)

869 867 So, being too lazy to read upthread for hundreds of comments, does is look like Murder 2 for the white Hispanic? Posted by: George Orwell half in the bag at July 13, 2013 06:38 PM (mCNwt) My heart says no, but my kishkes are saying who the fuck knows?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:40 PM (+98Gb)

870 867 So, being too lazy to read upthread for hundreds of comments, does is look like Murder 2 for the white Hispanic? Posted by: George Orwell half in the bag at July 13, 2013 06:38 PM (mCNwt) Nope. Maybe manslaughter.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 13, 2013 02:40 PM (X4HxX)

871 867 So, being too lazy to read upthread for hundreds of comments, does is look like Murder 2 for the white Hispanic? Right now it looks like possible manslaughter...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 02:40 PM (9+ccr)

872 14 is a long time for a dog. Our Boykin Spaniel lived to 14. Died of lung cancer, didn't even know the bitch smoked.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 02:40 PM (wR+pz)

873 Oh, right, morals are for OTHER people, not Leftists ... sorry, just so pissed at the blatant, rampant Double Standards here. They treat themselves like teenagers and us like adults. There's always the "kids will be kids" excuse for them. They never have to live up to their own standards, let alone the standards they have for us.

Posted by: Wendy at July 13, 2013 02:40 PM (xSegX)

874 Hey look I'm on Fox talking through my voice box!

Posted by: Susan Estrich at July 13, 2013 02:40 PM (Aif/5)

875

553 If this ends in not guilty, I'm going to send an Arizona Watermelon drink and a bag of Skittles to the White House.

 

 

Don't forget the Robitussin or Codeine syrup.  It'll help them out a lot......

Posted by: djm1992 at July 13, 2013 02:41 PM (Z977b)

876

I just comment to get Lacey's attention.

 

**Waves**  - Hi, lady!

Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2013 02:41 PM (kpHF7)

877 A poem for Dianna The joy explodes from off the couch My bitter day assuaged Though I am torn with worldly pain My puppy's heart is gay And like the Savior of our souls Wicks off the mantle coarse My dog loves me as He who came With all its heart and force But as the passing days wheel on And to the earth returned The collar and the bowl remain And lesson hard is learned It's for ourselves alone we mourn For we are left behind Until the ones that left us here Return in Glorious kind

Posted by: Beto at July 13, 2013 02:41 PM (MhA4j)

878 {{{{Tammy}}}}

Posted by: Vendette at July 13, 2013 02:41 PM (yrR4Z)

879
There is alot of "or"s in that MS definition, meaning to me a lot of ways not to convict.  But then again, I thought OJ guilt was a slam dunk.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 13, 2013 02:41 PM (4+FWp)

880 Fresh trial thread up.  This one is getting too long for efficient comment reloads/scrolling

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 13, 2013 02:41 PM (lm0Rv)

881 Sad about the corgi,   zsasz.  I always thought they looked cool.  Sort of like a horizontal penguin. 

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 13, 2013 02:42 PM (mvenn)

882

>>> Nope. Maybe manslaughter.

 

But he was just a little boy.

Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2013 02:42 PM (kpHF7)

883 Still holding out hope that one of these women won't send an innocent man to jail and possibly " death"

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 13, 2013 02:42 PM (9+ccr)

884 Posted by: rd at July 13, 2013 06:37 PM (D+lxs) Thinking the same thing, this is actually kind of good. Hopefully he can spell it out in terms so simple even caveman can understand. If you believe he was defending himself, you have to acquit. If the Hispanic got hit, you must acquit. If T broke his nose, out the door Z goes. If crack a cracka head, it ain't his fault you dead. I denounce myself.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 13, 2013 02:42 PM (Pb0zF)

885 Why didn't they use the THC? Stupid

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 13, 2013 02:42 PM (wR+pz)

886 If the evidence from Martin's cell phone was admitted into evidence. The Jurors would have an easier time to come to a verdict of NG. This judge is a hack. She did everything to help the State railroad GZ.

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 02:42 PM (eTqV5)

887 837 Posted by: Dianna at July 13, 2013 06:31 PM (mKMj1) Dianna: He'll let you know when it's time. My buddy who had the corgi also had a border terrier. He developed lymphoma and despite the vets giving hem only a month or so, he lasted - with a lot of love and special diet (maybe one dose of chemo) - just over a year. Be brave and just love the joy he gives you while he's here now.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:43 PM (+98Gb)

888 Thank you, Beto.

Thank you, everyone.

Forgive my tears, I really am so grateful.

Posted by: Dianna at July 13, 2013 02:43 PM (mKMj1)

889 882 >>> Nope. Maybe manslaughter. But he was just a little boy. Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2013 06:42 PM (kpHF7) So was Damien Thorne.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:44 PM (+98Gb)

890 I'm hearing jury ordered dinner. Could be a sign they're in it for the long haul.

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 02:44 PM (eTqV5)

891 Now Branca's worried: "Andrew Branca, LOSD @LawSelfDefense .@ts14ts It suggests to me that they didn't take MOM's advice and start with SD. If they had decided against SD, MS is a no-brainer gulity." *** That's no worry, only an observation that they did nt start at the tale end of jury instructions, as MOM had suggested. Frankly, that is not surprising.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 13, 2013 02:44 PM (jjvz+)

892 Which would be easier won on appeal - M2 or manslaughter?  I think we know not guilty ain't happenin, and I don't think it'll be a hung jury, either.

Posted by: tdpwells at July 13, 2013 02:44 PM (01otU)

893 "Andrew Branca, LOSD @LawSelfDefense .@ts14ts It suggests to me that they didn't take MOM's advice and start with SD. If they had decided against SD, MS is a no-brainer gulity." Just guessing (but why the hell not guess?) but it could be that some jurors are saying: "SD, not guilty, let's go home." Others saying, "SD could also mean guilty, look at this definition in the manslaughter definition."

Posted by: AmishDude at July 13, 2013 02:45 PM (xSegX)

894 890 I'm hearing jury ordered dinner. Could be a sign they're in it for the long haul. Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 06:44 PM (eTqV5) Well if they're eating, then me too. Pasta and some sauce. Be back soon, fellow babies.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 13, 2013 02:45 PM (+98Gb)

895 Did not take the kids to Dallas Zoo today as planned due to its proximity to the hood and for fear that the Z jury will acquit. Didn't want to be stuck in a scene from World War Z without armament.

Posted by: Rhubarb Ranch at July 13, 2013 02:46 PM (TLokJ)

896 Nope. Maybe manslaughter. ---- But he was just a little boy. Everyone knows little boys wear hoodies, weigh 160 lbs. and go around gated communities peeking in windows.

Posted by: George Orwell half in the bag at July 13, 2013 02:47 PM (mCNwt)

897 Still sticking with my guess, guilty of manslaughter, and sentenced to five life sentences. Just to keep the peace. There is no law, no justice, only power.

Posted by: George Orwell half in the bag at July 13, 2013 02:48 PM (mCNwt)

898 It sounds like a juror is holding out against acquittal on the grounds that, "He shouldn't have gotten out of the truck." Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 13, 2013 06:13 PM (lr3d7) Also, he should have known better than to wear that short skirt and tube top. He was asking for it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 13, 2013 02:52 PM (yoh1c)

899 I can't sit by silently and take all the references to GZ being guilty of something due to the operator's comment about not following TM!!! It's WRONG to think the case should turn on the detail that GZ might not have conformed to the suggestion that he not follow TM. To conclude that something that happened before an event CAUSED the event is a legal and logical FALLACY. That error in thinking is classically known as the "post hoc ergo propter hoc" problem whereby people think simplistically that an event CAUSES what may happen later in time. You might as well blame the sunrise, or TM's decision to go to the store..... because those events also temporally "led to" the tragedy.

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 02:53 PM (eTqV5)

900 Also, he should have known better than to wear that short skirt and tube top. He was asking for it. He was lucky that Nelson blocked the lesser included charge of walking while Hispanic.

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 13, 2013 02:54 PM (QupBk)

901 Everyone knows little boys wear hoodies, weigh 160 lbs. and go around gated communities peeking in windows.

Posted by: George Orwell half in the bag at July 13, 2013 06:47 PM (mCNwt)

My precious sweety weighs 260 lbs is 7'2" tall and eats babies.   But he's my little boy, because I'VE DECLARED IT SO.     /respect

Posted by: jeffteaparty2012 GuinnessOnTap at July 13, 2013 02:57 PM (KE8zQ)

902 If the jury hangs 5-1, would the State really re-present? The videos backfired. Their witnesses were uniformly awful. Most of them are irreplaceable, and all their testimony from this trial confines them. Defense has time to sift through the lare-disclosed evidence and appeal everything Judge Farley excluded this time. They have time and opportunity to depose Crump et al. properly, and scare the shit out of them for their secret sins. Prosecution can only get worse and weaker. Defense can anticipate and subvert their closing. And unless they get an all-imbecile jury, it will hang again. Am I missing some possibility that their case will improve?

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 13, 2013 03:06 PM (a5ljo)

903  Jeralyn Merrit (Talk Left) sorry. but..

instrructions given to jurors;;A literal reading of the instructions says: First first decide if GZ killed TM. If yes, then consider the circumstances and decide if it is Murder 2, Manslaughter or whether the killing was excusable or resulted from the justifiable use of deadly force.

The instructions refer to Justifiable Use of Force early on, but they donÂ’t instruct how to decide the issue of Justifiable Use of Force until page 12, which is after the Murder 2 and Manslaughter instructions.


Posted by: willow at July 13, 2013 03:19 PM (Jy4tI)

904  i'm trying to keep a bit of faith here.

although i have really taken a hit on court systems.

Posted by: willow at July 13, 2013 03:22 PM (Jy4tI)

905 Another upstanding member of the Trayvon "side of the aisle" #NWM Drew ‏@Khatholitics 2m #IfZimmermanWalks we raping a white girl fuck it 😂😂😂😂😂

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 03:52 PM (eTqV5)

906 Another upstanding member of the Trayvon "side of the aisle" #NWM Drew ‏@Khatholitics 2m #IfZimmermanWalks we raping a white girl fuck it 😂😂😂😂😂

Posted by: Raquel at July 13, 2013 03:53 PM (eTqV5)

907 He has lymphoma, and he's not going to "recover"; we're hoping for a couple months of decent quality of life for him. My condolences. My brown brindle is being tested now for a low white blood cell count. She's my baby. http://thecorgiadventure.blogspot.com/2011/11/not-one-damn-beaver.html

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (This Can't be My Planet. Stop fooling around you guys) at July 13, 2013 04:10 PM (jopHG)

908 @804 Except that gives me even less hope that these broads have a clue....if it takes this long for them to review Murder 2....it should have taken them all of about 5 minutes to discount and move on, IF they were doing it sequentially. Just curious....do ya'll think that if there is a holdout, which I think is the assumption. In your mind is it majority for acquittal, trying to convince one or two people convinced he's guilty? Or do you think the majority wants to convict and is trying to convince one or two that are firmly in the not guilty camp? If you had to hedge your bets? I would say the first one, but that may just be wishful thinking.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at July 13, 2013 04:16 PM (sZRSi)

909 It means the judges instructions were as bad as the rest of her actions during this trial

Posted by: NomadS at July 13, 2013 05:01 PM (qmW9x)

910 The six woman who was identified as a Hispanic turned out to be a black Hispanic...so she is voting against Zimmerman. Sadly many in the black community have been lead by the nose by the MSM saying this is all about race.

So I say hung jury because of her.

Posted by: Maria at July 13, 2013 05:03 PM (PbWY5)

911 Whew. Gonna need 'nother thread now, right? Watching Angela Corey's bobbing head while listening to the Sanford scanner. I think I'll have some pizza and watch Dr Who with the wife. Maybe be back on the overnight.

Posted by: mindful webworker at July 13, 2013 06:18 PM (U13jb)

912 Test

Posted by: Armando at July 13, 2013 07:03 PM (IDypm)

913 I got it right.

Posted by: TrueNorthist at July 14, 2013 06:14 AM (3Aixx)

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