July 03, 2013

Zimmerman Trial Open Thread
— Gabriel Malor

Several folks were asking for this. I have no idea what's going on there today. Something about Skype, if Twitter is to be believed.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 07:31 AM | Comments (429)
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1 Eh. It's mostly a circus anyway.

Posted by: joncelli at July 03, 2013 07:32 AM (RD7QR)

2 Apparently they tried to do a testimony by Skype, the address appeared on TV and everyone tried to skype the witness. Technology.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 07:33 AM (W6bkf)

3

The Skype witness is done.  As someone mentioned Chelsea Clinton is now testifying.

Posted by: buzzion at July 03, 2013 07:33 AM (LI48c)

4 Welcome to the show that never ends!

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 07:33 AM (GQ8sn)

5 ...

Posted by: LGoPs at July 03, 2013 07:34 AM (LDRYG)

6 Since every thread is a GZ thread, I'm only posting about non-GZ stuff in this one.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer and a cheeseburger at July 03, 2013 07:34 AM (/kI1Q)

7 And ABC news reporting Morsi is under house arrest.  Via WZ.

Posted by: Adam at July 03, 2013 07:35 AM (Aif/5)

8 Lots of people are saying I can't believe the State is putting on these witnesses. They are what they are. This is a show trial to forestall the riots. Unfortunately the media is so invested in stirring the racial pot they are not reporting how bad the prosecution's case is, so just like with exit polling, people won't believe the truth.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 07:35 AM (W6bkf)

9 hnld ncoagfpv ngg nvgdgisd cnz bfdvbvadivaz RACIST!!!!

Posted by: Nancy Grace at July 03, 2013 07:35 AM (jvd3N)

10 Since every thread is a GZ thread, I'm only posting about non-GZ stuff in this one. Hahaha! Nice.

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 07:35 AM (GQ8sn)

11 ROOOT-toot-toot ROOOT-toot-toot

Posted by: Zimmerman trial at July 03, 2013 07:35 AM (RD7QR)

12 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 07:35 AM (/PCJa)

13 Forget Twitter. It's in cursive.

Posted by: Cowboy Bob at July 03, 2013 07:35 AM (P85Pz)

14 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 07:35 AM (/PCJa)

15 7 And ABC news reporting Morsi is under house arrest. Via WZ.

Posted by: Adam at July 03, 2013 11:35 AM (Aif/5)


Ah yes, his majestic last stand.

Posted by: joncelli at July 03, 2013 07:36 AM (RD7QR)

16 Since every thread is a GZ thread, I'm only posting about non-GZ stuff in this one.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer and a cheeseburger at July 03, 2013 11:34 AM (/kI1Q)

 

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Lebkuchens:  delicious baked treat or shitty Scandi attempt  at food?  I go with the latter.

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 03, 2013 07:36 AM (CJjw5)

17 Has the media determined whether Aaron Hernandez is a white hispanic or not?  I'm guessing no because there is no outrage over his premeditated assassination of a black guy.

Posted by: MacGruber at July 03, 2013 07:37 AM (xvtYZ)

18 Ah yes, his majestic last stand.

Posted by: joncelli at July 03, 2013 11:36 AM (RD7QR)



I'm hoping the MB defense force tries to rescue him.

Posted by: Adam at July 03, 2013 07:37 AM (Aif/5)

19 I am looking forward to a wonderful holiday tomorrow, celebrating Independence Day. It is supposed to the the thunderstorm of the century, so we won't be grilling out.

Posted by: ALH at July 03, 2013 07:37 AM (yAPdC)

20 CNN is always on at the gym, and last night's "Let's Hang GZ Show" was spectacular. This is not going to be pretty.

Posted by: eman at July 03, 2013 07:38 AM (AO9UG)

21 Who really gives a crap?

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at July 03, 2013 07:38 AM (Eq2MX)

22 17 Has the media determined whether Aaron Hernandez is a white hispanic or not? I'm guessing no because there is no outrage over his premeditated assassination of a black guy. _____ That's because the media is racist and presumes that Hispanics with police records are "true" Hispanics.

Posted by: Cowboy Bob at July 03, 2013 07:38 AM (P85Pz)

23 @ AllenG, And burn the golf courses too! (Obama hates that!) Overturn the carts, Burn down the clubhouses, Salt the greens! Beat the irons into plowshares! (from a pAst thread, you guys still have me chuckling about that 1)

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at July 03, 2013 07:38 AM (8+cIr)

24 This is a show trial to forestall the riots. Unfortunately the media is so invested in stirring the racial pot they are not reporting how bad the prosecution's case is, so just like with exit polling, people won't believe the truth. Yeah. Like I said, there are two most likely outcomes for George Zimmerman. 1) Acquittal- Race riots ensue. Some of the twitter thugs making death threats try to make good on said threats. It only takes one getting lucky. 2) Conviction- Some thug (or M compatriot) kills Z in prison. It really sucks to be Teh Won's sacrificial lamb.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 07:38 AM (/PCJa)

25 I wonder what Soledad O'brian thinks about this issue?

Posted by: dananjcon at July 03, 2013 07:39 AM (jvd3N)

26 Hello Judge this is Neal Armstrong from heaven what can I do for you?

//Florida Follies

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 07:39 AM (LRFds)

27 Thank you Gabriel!

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 07:39 AM (7mQyC)

28 ROOOT-toot-toot ROOOT-toot-toot

Posted by: Zimmerman trial

 

That's MY line!  And take  off  that Cornell shirt!

Posted by: Andy Bernard at July 03, 2013 07:39 AM (BrQrN)

29 Lebkuchens: delicious baked treat or shitty Scandi attempt at food?

Unpossible.  They're not Scandi.

And you can get them filled with liqueur.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer and a cheeseburger at July 03, 2013 07:40 AM (/kI1Q)

30 >>>>15 7 And ABC news reporting Morsi is under house arrest. Via WZ. Posted by: Adam at July 03, 2013 11:35 AM (Aif/5) ------------------------------ What are the odds that Barky manages to find the U.S. military resources needed to rescue that Islamic piece of shit?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 03, 2013 07:40 AM (vJ4dL)

31 Not sure how the prosecution thinks this witness will help more than she hurts. When she testifies that the shot came at point blank range, that will just bolster the defense's case that GZ has been telling the truth all along. Is this the actual dr. who performed the autopsy? Is the State still trying to go with "Well, it *might* not have been self defense!" as their theory?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 07:40 AM (/PCJa)

32 26 I wonder what Soledad O'brian thinks about this issue?

Posted by: dananjcon at July 03, 2013 11:39 AM (jvd3N)

 

Is there a wikipedia entry on it?

Posted by: buzzion at July 03, 2013 07:40 AM (LI48c)

33 Why is she testifying? There is no dispute about any of this so far?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 07:40 AM (7mQyC)

34 And ABC news reporting Morsi is under house arrest. Via WZ. Posted by: Adam at July 03, 2013 11:35 AM (Aif/5) ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Ah yes, his majestic last stand. -------------------------------------------- I just hope they televise his last "dance"...if you catch my meaninng.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at July 03, 2013 07:40 AM (PwV7G)

35 Why won't Pixy let me post in cursive?

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Gaylord is half-white at July 03, 2013 07:41 AM (mCNwt)

36 Hispanics wait in silence like good little useful idiots.

Posted by: eman at July 03, 2013 07:41 AM (AO9UG)

37 Just saw video of the Skype fiasco.  That right there is funny, unless you're the prosecution.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 03, 2013 07:41 AM (B/VB5)

38 "I have no idea what's going on there today."

The same thing that has gone on every day: an enormous miscarriage of justice, a trumped-up show trial brought about by the professional race-baiting community.

If the racial affiliations of the two individuals had been reversed, there would have been no way this case was ever brought anywhere near a criminal courtroom.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 03, 2013 07:41 AM (gqT4g)

39 They packaged the hoodie for display like it is the robe of St. Francis.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 07:41 AM (W6bkf)

40 Why is she testifying? There is no dispute about any of this so far? To get it officially entered into the record? I know there's a lot of stuff that "we already know" about the trial that still has to be entered into evidence.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 07:41 AM (/PCJa)

41 30 Lebkuchens: delicious baked treat or shitty Scandi attempt at food? Lebkuchen are german, not Scandi and some of them have delicious Rum in them

Posted by: Ma Bell at July 03, 2013 07:41 AM (RLdcX)

42

2217 Has the media determined whether Aaron Hernandez is a white hispanic or not? I'm guessing no because there is no outrage over his premeditated assassination of a black guy.
_____

That's because the media is racist and presumes that Hispanics with police records are "true" Hispanics.

I'm surprised that haven't labelled him a TEA Bagger since he's a Patriot and all. The IRS can't be far behind.

Posted by: Jeantel at July 03, 2013 07:42 AM (oDCMR)

43 26 I wonder what Soledad O'brian thinks about this issue? Only her earpiece knows for sure.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Gaylord is half-white at July 03, 2013 07:42 AM (mCNwt)

44 "To get it officially entered into the record?" --- 95% of this already was in the record.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 07:42 AM (7mQyC)

45

 

What are the odds that Barky manages to find the U.S. military resources needed to rescue that Islamic piece of shit?

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.

Seal Team 6 inbound and hot............

Posted by: Gunner at July 03, 2013 07:42 AM (XGLac)

46 Someone said she's got a nice ass but I can't see!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 03, 2013 07:42 AM (V1ZIU)

47 31 Cicero,

I'd almost respect the raw "fuck you I am not ashamed at all about Benghazi!" sociopath zeal that would show

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 07:42 AM (LRFds)

48 Is this the actual dr. who performed the autopsy? Is the State still trying to go with "Well, it *might* not have been self defense!" as their theory? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 11:40 AM (/PCJa) The person currently testifying is the ballistics expert. Not a doctor.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 03, 2013 07:42 AM (X6akg)

49 What are the odds that Barky manages to find the U.S. military resources needed to rescue that Islamic piece of shit?

It would be poetically amazing if Barky tried to rescue Morsi and the rescue was shot down by the aircraft he's been providing to Egypt.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 03, 2013 07:42 AM (B/VB5)

50 BREAKING: Expert analysis confirms Skittles residue on St. Trayvon's hoodie.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 03, 2013 07:42 AM (vJ4dL)

51 Anyone know Obama's Skype name? I'm on a roll in the land of no extradition!

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at July 03, 2013 07:42 AM (8+cIr)

52 Lebkuchen are german, not Scandi and some of them have delicious Rum in them EoJ dissing a dish with alcohol? That's a demerit on the Moron Card.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 07:43 AM (/PCJa)

53 why can't we put Obama under house arrest? Obama sucks just as bad as Morsi.

Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at July 03, 2013 07:43 AM (052zE)

54 24 Allen G,

and this is how I thank SUPPORTERS wingnutz!

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 07:43 AM (LRFds)

55 It is amazing how our Northern neighbors can see with such clarity.

http://bit.ly/1b7HjA3

Thus, with each passing day it is becoming more apparent that the real reason for bringing this case to trial was to assuage the media-driven concerns of the racial grievance industry, led by chief arsonists Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson. Shamefully aiding and abetting them is the racially polarized Justice Department led by Attorney General Eric Holder.

Posted by: sTevo at July 03, 2013 07:43 AM (Tr3KP)

56 1) Acquittal- Race riots ensue. Some of the twitter thugs making death threats try to make good on said threats. It only takes one getting lucky.

I expect Zimmerman to be armed, and he is now blooded. I don't expect too many attempts before even the thugs figure out it's not worth wasting their lives.

Sucks for random people Spike Lee tweets about, though.

Posted by: Methos at July 03, 2013 07:43 AM (hO9ad)

57 Lebkuchen are german, not Scandi and some of them have delicious Rum in them Put enough delicious rum in a Scandi and you might get lucky.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Gaylord is half-white at July 03, 2013 07:43 AM (mCNwt)

58

1) Acquittal- Race riots ensue. Some of the twitter thugs making death threats try to make good on said threats. It only takes one getting lucky.



2) Conviction- Some thug (or M compatriot) kills Z in prison.

 

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What about a  hung jury?  I see that as the most likely option,  with conviction and acquittal being distant second and third.

 

I just don't see a jury of six women saying  he gets off scot-free for killing that poor little boy.  Even if it was  clearly self-defense, at least one of them will think he should  get  punished, because poor  Voltron was just a  boy, and look his mama cryin'.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 03, 2013 07:44 AM (CJjw5)

59 Nah, she's the firearms analyst. She examined Trayvon's sweatshirt. Ah. Okay. How fun will it be when the Defense gets her to admit that Zimmerman's gun was a pretty standard self-defense weapon, and therefore does not prove anything (one way or the other) about his mindset or intent?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 07:44 AM (/PCJa)

60 I really don't believe there will be race riots. We'll see. How many legit riots have we had since the spread of internet porn? How many people have actually died in riots in America in the last 20 years?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 03, 2013 07:44 AM (ZPrif)

61 @NewsBreaker 37s DEVELOPING: A travel ban has been imposed on Egypt Pres Morsi & two Muslim Brotherhood officials.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 03, 2013 07:44 AM (X6akg)

62 To get it officially entered into the record? I know there's a lot of stuff that "we already know" about the trial that still has to be entered into evidence.

 

 

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 11:41 AM (/PCJa)

 

 

Its the 'Guns are EVILLLLL' argument... therefore anyone who carries one MUST be a raging maniac out to KILL PEOPLE!!!

 

Bet the gun expert said carrying one of the spout is 'just not done'.... even though depending on the weapon, its almost always done...

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 03, 2013 07:45 AM (lZBBB)

63 How many people have actually died in riots in America in the last 20 years? Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 03, 2013 11:44 AM (ZPrif) twitter riots are much cleaner.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 03, 2013 07:45 AM (X4HxX)

64 The Mooch confessed to being under house arrest...in so many words.

Posted by: sTevo at July 03, 2013 07:45 AM (Tr3KP)

65 What are the odds that Barky manages to find the U.S. military resources needed to rescue that Islamic piece of shit?

I'm sorry sir, you're breaking up.

Posted by: Every American patriot in the ME at July 03, 2013 07:45 AM (hO9ad)

66 " Is this the actual dr. who performed the autopsy? " --- No she's the the firearms forensics expert... "has a nice ass" - yeah I'd hit it. She's a Dexter of guns.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 07:45 AM (7mQyC)

67 because poor Voltron was just a boy You owe me a new Retina display.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Gaylord is half-white at July 03, 2013 07:45 AM (mCNwt)

68 "Why is she testifying? There is no dispute about any of this so far?"

I replied on the other thread. The state has to prove every element of the crime they charged them with, every element. That means they have to prove TM was shot, by what gun, etc. etc.  This is just they boring shit in every trial, but it has to be done.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 03, 2013 07:46 AM (Fz2C7)

69 If there are tech probllems I've heard that white Asians are pretty good at fixing them.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 03, 2013 07:46 AM (32Ze2)

70 Lebkuchen are german, not Scandi and some of them have delicious Rum in them

 

Posted by: Ma Bell at July 03, 2013 11:41 AM (RLdcX)

 

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Okay,  but still - cinammon.  Gack.  Like Satan's dandruff.  Don't want that shit in my food.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 03, 2013 07:46 AM (CJjw5)

71

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 11:44 AM (/PCJa)

 

All Female jury.... they will try to argue that just HAVING a gun on him, means he was out looking to do bad things...

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 03, 2013 07:46 AM (lZBBB)

72 @NewsBreaker 18s BREAKING: Egypt president's national security adviser says military coup under way

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 03, 2013 07:46 AM (X6akg)

73 I wonder what Soledad O'brian thinks about this issue?
Posted by: dananjcon at July 03, 2013 11:39 AM (jvd3N)


The Kel-Tec PF-9, single column magazine semi-automatic pistol based on the earlier P-11 and P-3AT designs, was upon its release touted as the thinnest and lightest 9 mm pistol ever mass-produced. It was announced on February 9, 2006, and was released into production in the fall of 2006.

Posted by: Soledad O'Brien at July 03, 2013 07:47 AM (SY2Kh)

74 BREAKING: Egypt president's national security adviser says military coup under way
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They have all the luck.

Posted by: sTevo at July 03, 2013 07:47 AM (Tr3KP)

75 Hey guys, what's up.

I hear there might be some rioting

Can I come along?

Posted by: Fire at July 03, 2013 07:47 AM (El+h4)

76 According to Reuters, via Fox Biz, the liberation of Egypt has begun.

Posted by: Methos at July 03, 2013 07:47 AM (hO9ad)

77 I expect Zimmerman to be armed, and he is now blooded. I don't expect too many attempts before even the thugs figure out it's not worth wasting their lives. I don't. At least, not all the time. Even having this go to trial might be enough to at least get his CCW suspended while the State "investigates." What about a hung jury? I see that as the most likely option, with conviction and acquittal being distant second and third. It's a possibility, but that just takes us back to a) race riots or b) another trial. Then that second trial has the same three possibilities (hung jury, acquittal, conviction), and eventually the case has to end on either an acquittal (or a dropped case) or a conviction. At which point we go back to my two possibilities.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 07:47 AM (/PCJa)

78 Bring in the Clowns!

Posted by: Fritz at July 03, 2013 07:48 AM (UzPAd)

79 According to Reuters, via Fox Biz, the liberation of Egypt has begun. When is our turn?

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Gaylord is half-white at July 03, 2013 07:48 AM (mCNwt)

80 Congrats to the Egyptian Military...

just a little FYI as an American I don't give a fuck how many people you have to kill for stability.

Get to it boys.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 07:48 AM (LRFds)

81 #72

Yeah, when they start killing the Koreans it'll be 'White Asians'

Posted by: Fire at July 03, 2013 07:48 AM (El+h4)

82 hahaha @ military coup that's the Muslim Brotherhood for you

Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at July 03, 2013 07:48 AM (Fely/)

83 BREAKING... Morsi no longer allowed to have dessert after meals...

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 03, 2013 07:48 AM (V1ZIU)

84 Speaking of hoodie, how big were the bullet holes are in it?  Point blank 9mm shot may have had an exit wound - depending on the ammo GZ was using.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 03, 2013 07:48 AM (n8LUb)

85 You just KNOW Nancy Grace is upset. You just KNOW it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Posted by: Andy at July 03, 2013 07:48 AM (JmqIf)

86 The Kel-Tec PF-9, single column magazine semi-automatic pistol based on the earlier P-11 and P-3AT designs, was upon its release touted as the thinnest and lightest 9 mm pistol ever mass-produced. It was announced on February 9, 2006, and was released into production in the fall of 2006.

 

 

Posted by: Soledad O'Brien at July 03, 2013 11:47 AM (SY2Kh)

 

But does it come in Metallic Mint Green?

Posted by: Vinney at July 03, 2013 07:48 AM (lZBBB)

87 Hope Mooch and her "husband" are taking notes, re Morsi. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 03, 2013 07:49 AM (lVPtV)

88 "That means they have to prove TM was shot, by what gun, etc. etc. This is just they boring shit in every trial, but it has to be done." --- My point was we already heard from a witness day 1 or day 2 about this, not in dispute. I guess the State just wants to give the Defense yet another opportunity to prove their case.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 07:49 AM (7mQyC)

89 How many people have actually died in riots in America in the last 20 years?

Are we counting deaths caused by the police during riots? 

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer and a cheeseburger at July 03, 2013 07:49 AM (/kI1Q)

90 #80

I think the intellectual exercises are getting to us. There ARE going to be riots... Zimmerman is not going to be found guilty.

Posted by: Fire at July 03, 2013 07:49 AM (El+h4)

91 The Kel-Tec PF-9, single column magazine semi-automatic pistol based on the earlier P-11 and P-3AT designs, was upon its release touted as the thinnest and lightest 9 mm pistol ever mass-produced. It was announced on February 9, 2006, and was released into production in the fall of 2006.p Bought one of these for mama for Valentine's last year. Nice little pistol.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 07:49 AM (W6bkf)

92 "Hispanics wait in silence like good little useful idiots."

As I've posted before, the oddball ethnolinguistic government category we call "Hispanics" (thanks Nixon) are not anywhere nearly as politically and tribally cohesive a group as are African-Americans.

What are Zimmerman's "Hispanic" credentials? He is half Peruvian.

Most "Hispanics" in America now are of Mexican origin, and pretty much confine their feelings of solidarity to other Mexicans, and often only a subset of Mexicans at that. A 50% Peruvian guy does not even show up on their radar as anyone they have any real feeling of shared ethnicity with.

If George Zimmerman had been Jorge Perez from Sinaloa, MX, who spoke exclusively a rural Mexican dialect of Spanish? There would have been some fireworks in the larger Hispanic community when he was put up on politically motivated murder charges. But, he's not.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 03, 2013 07:49 AM (gqT4g)

93 All Female jury.... they will try to argue that just HAVING a gun on him, means he was out looking to do bad things... Maybe, but with enough experts (and if I were the defense, I'd have plenty of women self-defense experts on my witness list), you can at least mitigate that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 07:50 AM (/PCJa)

94 Acquittal- Race riots ensue. Some of the twitter thugs making death threats try to make good on said threats. It only takes one getting lucky. If the jury does not find GZ guilty, Stedman and the all kangaroo justice show will indict on criminal civil rights violation. Trial moved to a DC venue so the full fix will be in. Announcement of the charges may hold off the riots. The Preezy will ask pretty please. Count on the trial to be held around election time as to pump up the base. Even if GZ isn't murdered, his life is essentially over. A new identity would require a helpful justice department. I hate these people with the heat of a thousands suns. There is nothing too despicable if it advances their agenda. Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (Hate, it's whats for breakfast!) at July 03, 2013 07:50 AM (jopHG)

95

Separate and equal: I demand an Egyptian OT as well, or do you hate Muslims you hateful, spiteful Islamaphobians?

Posted by: alittleenglish at July 03, 2013 07:50 AM (SHZnC)

96 "Morsi no longer allowed to have dessert after meals..." --- Has he been barred from self-pleasure yet??

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 07:50 AM (7mQyC)

97 But does it come in Metallic Mint Green?

Posted by: Vinney at July 03, 2013 11:48 AM (lZBBB)


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.... with Michelin size P235/35/r15 tires???   And posi traction with an independent rear suspension???

Posted by: fixerupper at July 03, 2013 07:50 AM (nELVU)

98

In an attempt to not go off topic,  I  wonder  if  George Zimmerman is  looking forward to  seeing Despicable Me II  like I am.   As animated movies go,  the  first one  suprisingly  made me laugh out loud. 

Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2013 07:50 AM (m2CN7)

99 "Point blank 9mm shot may have had an exit wound - depending on the ammo GZ was using."

No exit wound. Bullet stopped in thoracic cavity.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 03, 2013 07:51 AM (gqT4g)

100 Seriously. 50 people died in the LA riots in 92. In the 2nd biggest city in America. What's the deadliest riot we've had since then? America is different since the OJ trial. A lot more cable channels to watch. The internet. The internet porn. Twitter. Facebook. Better video games. More generous welfare system. And remember the OJ riots were just in LA. it's not like every black person in America went nutso in every city across the nation. I'm really not worried about some societal breakdown if Zimmerman gets acquitted.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 03, 2013 07:51 AM (ZPrif)

101 Zimmerman is hoping maybe he'll have what was called a 'normal life' sometime soon or ever.

Posted by: RiverC at July 03, 2013 07:51 AM (El+h4)

102

Lib  sites  whine  that  Jenteal  was  "persecuted  for  not  being  able  to  read  cursive." 

 

Conveniently  leaving  out  the  fact  that  she  claimed  to  have  written  the  letter  in  the  first  place 

Posted by: Arms Merchant at July 03, 2013 07:51 AM (HBAcW)

103 They're calling Trayvon's kindergarten teacher as a witness? WTF?

Posted by: RWC at July 03, 2013 07:52 AM (fWAjv)

104 WITNESS PULLS GUN IN COURTROOM !!!1!!!!

Posted by: RWC at July 03, 2013 07:52 AM (fWAjv)

105

81 Bring in the Clowns!

 - - -

 

They're already here.  They were re-elected 8 months ago, unfortunately.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 03, 2013 07:52 AM (n8LUb)

106 The prosecution is making an emotional play. Reminding jurors over and over that Traytable was shot.

Posted by: Stasi at July 03, 2013 07:52 AM (aDwsi)

107 104 - outside the country perhaps...at least for a few years.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 07:53 AM (7mQyC)

108
As I've posted before, the oddball ethnolinguistic government category we call "Hispanics" (thanks Nixon) are not anywhere nearly as politically and tribally cohesive a group as are African-Americans.

What are Zimmerman's "Hispanic" credentials? He is half Peruvian.

Most "Hispanics" in America now are of Mexican origin, and pretty much confine their feelings of solidarity to other Mexicans, and often only a subset of Mexicans at that. A 50% Peruvian guy does not even show up on their radar as anyone they have any real feeling of shared ethnicity with.

If George Zimmerman had been Jorge Perez from Sinaloa, MX, who spoke exclusively a rural Mexican dialect of Spanish? There would have been some fireworks in the larger Hispanic community when he was put up on politically motivated murder charges. But, he's not.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 03, 2013 11:49 AM (gqT4g)

 

He wouldn't even need to be from there.  If his name were George Rodriguez and everything else was the same, there would have been some fireworks.

 

Actually this case probably wouldn't have happened, because the racebaiters want to push Black vs White, not Black vs. Hispanic.

Posted by: buzzion at July 03, 2013 07:53 AM (LI48c)

109 Are we counting deaths caused by the police during riots?

You know, police kill more Americans than terrorists do.

Posted by: Ed S. at July 03, 2013 07:53 AM (hO9ad)

110 Personally, I think Katie Kouric could put us some valuable fuggin education on this matter.


Posted by: dananjcon at July 03, 2013 07:53 AM (jvd3N)

111 In an attempt to not go off topic, I wonder if George Zimmerman islooking forward to seeing Despicable Me II like I am. As animatedmovies go,the firstone suprisingly made me laugh out loud.

 

Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2013 11:50 AM (m2CN7)

 

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That's a good one.  Animated  movies today have a pretty broad appeal.  They're not as childish as the ones  that came out during my childhood, which were almost always Disney  musicals.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 03, 2013 07:53 AM (CJjw5)

112 Hmm. Nothing that a chin implant wouldn't fix..., ok, ... a pretty good chin implant.

Posted by: Stasi at July 03, 2013 07:54 AM (aDwsi)

113

106 They're calling Trayvon's kindergarten teacher as a witness? WTF?

 

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They had to go back that far to find someone who testify that the pictures being shown in the media were indeed of Trayvon. 

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 03, 2013 07:54 AM (n8LUb)

114 102 Torquewrench,

as it should have....

he was using classic hollowpoints...

the guy followed the CCW "safe shooter" playbook...

it was mechanically a hell of a stop...his ammo choice has a 81% 1 shot stop batting average.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 07:54 AM (LRFds)

115 Myslim Brotherhood: If we can't control Egypt we'll start a civil war and then no one can control Egypt.

Posted by: soothsayer, malicious communicator at July 03, 2013 07:54 AM (39q3n)

116 Not sure where the defense is going with the double action explanation.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 07:54 AM (W6bkf)

117 They're calling Trayvon's kindergarten teacher as a witness? WTF? Wait. What? (as AtC pointed out- that could be the go-to comment for everything about this trial so far). Once again I'm forced to ask: What relevance? Also, to quote AtC: "Your Honor, what the actual fuck?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 07:54 AM (/PCJa)

118 perhaps his kindergarten teacher was his most recent teacher?

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 03, 2013 07:55 AM (8JJ6O)

119 That's bullshit about the safety...., witness says so.

Posted by: Stasi at July 03, 2013 07:55 AM (aDwsi)

120 Too much gun talk here - turning off the ladies on the jury.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 07:55 AM (W6bkf)

121
Im confused.....

I want George Zimmerman to be found innocent for killing a young black man.

I want Hernandez to be put to death for killing a young black man.


What kind of racist am I????  I cant figure it out.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 03, 2013 07:55 AM (nELVU)

122

perhaps



his kindergarten teacher was his most recent teacher?

 

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 03, 2013 11:55 AM (8JJ6O)

 

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oh fucking SNAP.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 03, 2013 07:55 AM (CJjw5)

123 For 95% of Americans the LA riots were just something they watched on the news. Maybe Miami will have some small scare rioting. That would suck for anyone in the direct path of the mob. But it's not gonna be some nationwide race riot. That doesn't happen. That hasn't happened in the past. Not even during the worst of the 60s race riots.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 03, 2013 07:55 AM (ZPrif)

124 I'd hit it.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 03, 2013 07:55 AM (a5ljo)

125 Not sure where the defense is going with the double action explanation. Double action on the trigger? Possibly pointing out that, had Z been "looking for trouble" he wouldn't carry a gun that had double action when there are so many available singe/doubles out there (1911 among them). Just a WAG on that one, though.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 07:56 AM (/PCJa)

126 What kind of racist am I???? I cant figure it out.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 03, 2013 11:55 AM (nELVU)

 

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A creepy-ass cracker  racist.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 03, 2013 07:56 AM (CJjw5)

127 Irony:

Obama sends in team to rescue Morsi.


Posted by: Amb. Chris Stevens at July 03, 2013 07:56 AM (WCe8r)

128 Not sure where the defense is going with the double action explanation. Posted by: blaster
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Trying to make the case that only someone with intent would carry that pistol... or at least planting that in the jurors heads.

Posted by: Stasi at July 03, 2013 07:56 AM (aDwsi)

129 which were almost alwaysDisney musicals.

 

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 03, 2013 11:53 AM (CJjw5)

 

 

I think you can thank Robin Williams, and the Movie Alladin, for making Disney cartoon movies MUCH more enjoyable for adults... it showed you could put adult humor in, while still entertaining the kids....

 

So... a big MAN Thankyou to Robin Williams, who even though he forced on us Mork from Ork (even though Mindy was Doable), made many Afternoons at the Movies with the young kids, better...

Posted by: Vinney at July 03, 2013 07:57 AM (lZBBB)

130 Z. found Not Guilty ... riots ... will likely stop real fast, once the public announcement is made that EBT shuts off in riot+5mile-zones, and stays off until 48 hours of law-and-order have passed. Suddenly, being a member of the FSA is shown to be a bad plan ...

Posted by: Arbalest at July 03, 2013 07:57 AM (FlRtG)

131 120 Blaster,

they are explaining the gun is rated safe to carry loaded b/c of the rating of the double actions' trigger...

Cops carry DAO "safe" pistols...

it is not a mark of "intent"

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 07:57 AM (LRFds)

132

73 Okay, but still - cinammon. Gack. Like Satan's dandruff. Don't want that shit in my food.

 

Satan's Dandruff would be a good name for a band.

 

Posted by: Anachronda at July 03, 2013 07:57 AM (NmR1a)

133 That's bullshit about the safety...., witness says so. Are they finally getting around to pointing out that a whole lot of pistols don't have a manual safety, and pretty well all of those now have multiple other safety measures to prevent accidental firing?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 07:57 AM (/PCJa)

134 BREAKING: Morsi's Right to Paaaaaaaar-tay! has been revoked, vows to fight for it...

Posted by: zsasz at July 03, 2013 07:57 AM (MMC8r)

135 103.  I don't recall any "OJ riots" (his court case was 1995).  There were some riots in '91 or '92.  But those were attributed to Rodney King's impersonation of a soccer ball.  If I recall correctly.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 03, 2013 07:57 AM (n8LUb)

136 allen i think you are right...but having the magazine at capacity and one in the chamber...could make the jury think he was looking for trouble

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 03, 2013 07:58 AM (8JJ6O)

137 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 11:54 AM (/PCJa) Just fucking around AllenG. But to your point, would it be that out of the ordinary with this case.

Posted by: RWC at July 03, 2013 07:58 AM (fWAjv)

138 Witness isn't being led by the prosecutor, she just won't do it.

Posted by: Stasi at July 03, 2013 07:58 AM (aDwsi)

139
Are the Occuidiots "standing" with Tahir Square protestors?

"Well, why the F not?" someone might ask, except the media.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 03, 2013 07:58 AM (7yJVd)

140 @132 - I think the defense is trying to say the the PF9, since it is DAO, is not something a killer would carry. Dumb argument, and way too esoteric for the ladies on the jury. He should instead be hammering home that the forensic evidence is consistent with what Z's story was.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 07:58 AM (W6bkf)

141 Dear Rioters-to-be: Please note gun sales for the last five years. Thank you.

Posted by: zsasz at July 03, 2013 07:59 AM (MMC8r)

142 He's just pointing out it's completely normal to carry it with one in the pipe.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 03, 2013 07:59 AM (X4HxX)

143 i think you are right...but having the magazine at capacity and one in the chamber...could make the jury think he was looking for trouble Yeah, I know. But it might not. All it really takes is one *juror* with some F'n knowledge to point out (in deliberations), "Hey, that how people carry. Not everyone carries full capacity + 1, but a lot do. It doesn't prove anything at all."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 08:00 AM (/PCJa)

144 135 Z. found Not Guilty ... riots ... will likely stop real fast, once the public announcement is made that EBT shuts off in riot+5mile-zones, and stays off until 48 hours of law-and-order have passed. Suddenly, being a member of the FSA is shown to be a bad plan ... Posted by: Arbalest at July 03, 2013 11:57 AM (FlRtG) Never, ever going to happen. (cancelling EBT)

Posted by: RWC at July 03, 2013 08:00 AM (fWAjv)

145 If Zimmerman hadn't kept one round chambered he might not be alive today.

Posted by: zsasz at July 03, 2013 08:00 AM (MMC8r)

146 It was a safe gun, being carried in a standard way.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 03, 2013 08:00 AM (X4HxX)

147 Breaking: Morsi will not be allowed to watch Sharknado.

Posted by: dantesed at July 03, 2013 08:00 AM (lTtZ2)

148 The defense should call Clint Eastwood as an expert witness. Not for any particular reason except it would be fucking awesome.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (Hate, it's whats for breakfast!) at July 03, 2013 08:00 AM (jopHG)

149 Double action on the trigger? Possibly pointing out that, had Z been "looking for trouble" he wouldn't carry a gun that had double action when there are so many available singe/doubles out there (1911 among them). Just a WAG on that one, though.

I don't know either, but probably because I'm not watching.

Almost all popular sub-compact carry guns are DAO (double action only) these days.  They are of course designed to be carried with a round chambered.

Posted by: Soledad O'Brien at July 03, 2013 08:00 AM (SY2Kh)

150 146 Zsasz,

Dear Rioters to Be,

Please disregard....you're gonna do great with just bricks, knives, and fists, and saturday night specials...

fun starts at dusk after the trial.....

//Population Control for a Stronger Union

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 08:01 AM (LRFds)

151 Is this the prosecutor or defense lawyer?

Posted by: Stasi at July 03, 2013 08:01 AM (aDwsi)

152 Yeah, I know. But it might not. All it really takes is one *juror* with some F'n knowledge to point out (in deliberations), "Hey, that how people carry. Not everyone carries full capacity + 1, but a lot do. It doesn't prove anything at all."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 12:00 PM (/PCJa)

 

That assumes there's a juror who has any f'n knowledge.  That remains to be seen.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 03, 2013 08:01 AM (DrWcr)

153 Almost all popular sub-compact carry guns are DAO (double action only) these days. They are of course designed to be carried with a round chambered. Posted by: Soledad O'Brien at July 03, 2013 12:00 PM (SY2Kh) You get that off of wikipedia?

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 03, 2013 08:01 AM (X4HxX)

154 I don't think that SA means intent to kill. So neither does DAO mean not intent to kill. Dumb argument.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 08:01 AM (W6bkf)

155 Please disregard....you're gonna do great with just bricks, knives, and fists, and saturday night specials... Also, please wear something bright and shiny.

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 08:01 AM (GQ8sn)

156 test

Posted by: LGoPs at July 03, 2013 08:01 AM (LDRYG)

157
Tahir: So that's what Woodstock was like.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 03, 2013 08:02 AM (7yJVd)

158 156 Is this the prosecutor or defense lawyer? Posted by: Stasi at July 03, 2013 12:01 PM (aDwsi) The current lawyer questioning the witness is the defense lawyer...Mark O'Mara.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 03, 2013 08:02 AM (X6akg)

159 EC, barrel.

Posted by: zsasz at July 03, 2013 08:02 AM (MMC8r)

160

Posted by: Arbalest at July 03, 2013 11:57 AM (FlRtG)

 

Listen Crackah (said of course, in a Non Racist Way)... shutting off EBT would disproproportionatly affect Blacks in those primarily Black neighborhoods, while the Blacks Riot for Racial Reasons...

 

Therefore, you are a Racist...

Posted by: Al Sharpton at July 03, 2013 08:02 AM (lZBBB)

161 riots ... will likely stop real fast, once the public announcement is made that EBT shuts off in riot+5mile-zones, and stays off until 48 hours of law-and-order have passed.

You're assuming whoever holds the switch on the EBT cards wants the riots to stop.

Also that there wouldn't then be riots over the suspension of EBT rights.

Posted by: Methos at July 03, 2013 08:02 AM (hO9ad)

Posted by: Arbalest at July 03, 2013 08:02 AM (FlRtG)

163 ... roll out the barrel....

Posted by: fixerupper at July 03, 2013 08:02 AM (nELVU)

164 EC. Barrel. Now.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 08:02 AM (W6bkf)

165 If Zimmerman hadn't kept one round chambered he might not be alive today.

Posted by: zsasz at July 03, 2013 12:00 PM (MMC8r)

 

This.  It's hard to rack the slide of your firearm while getting your head pounded into the concrete.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 03, 2013 08:02 AM (DrWcr)

166 What???? I closed my tags!

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 08:03 AM (GQ8sn)

167 Posted by: Soledad O'Brien at July 03, 2013 12:00 PM (SY2Kh) That's way to erudite a statement for SOB. But, yes, that's kind of my point. If he was "looking for trouble" he would have gone to some trouble to get a single/double weapon (1911, various revolvers, etc.), and not carried a basic DAO carry pistol. In essence, the prosecution is trying to say that anyone who engages in their right to personal protection is "looking for trouble." Which is, of course, a viewpoint, but one that should be very troublesome.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 08:03 AM (/PCJa)

168 Almost all popular sub-compact carry guns are DAO (double action only) these days. They are of course designed to be carried with a round chambered.

 

Posted by: Soledad O'Brien at July 03, 2013 12:00 PM (SY2Kh)

 

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Wrong.  Most can be fired single action or  double action.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 03, 2013 08:03 AM (CJjw5)

169 What????

I closed my tags!

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 12:03 PM (GQ8sn)


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Do not taunt happy fun pixy.....

Posted by: fixerupper at July 03, 2013 08:03 AM (nELVU)

170 They packaged the hoodie for display like it is the robe of St. Francis.

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The Shroud of Trayvon.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 03, 2013 08:03 AM (XUKZU)

171 his kindergarten teacher was his most recent teacher?

Raaaacist!

Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at July 03, 2013 08:04 AM (epxV4)

172

In all seriousness,  even though I live in Texas and if I were in the Zimmerman situation here  and  confident that I would  not have been indicted,  I need to get me a less lethal force weapon just in case. 

 

A nice application of 20,000 volts would have given Zimmerman the upper hand until the police arrived. 

Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2013 08:04 AM (m2CN7)

173
This. It's hard to rack the slide of your firearm while getting your head pounded into the concrete.



It was only once.  Or possibly twice.  Could have even been three times or more.  His injuries were consistent. 

Posted by: Dr. Valerie Rao at July 03, 2013 08:04 AM (Aif/5)

174 Witness is pretty good. She's done this before. Carefully considers her words.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 03, 2013 08:04 AM (aDwsi)

175

In essence, the prosecution is trying to say that anyone who engages in their right to personal protection is "looking for trouble."

 

This is legally untenable as it would completely gut the right to self defense, which is well-established in common law and by statute. 

Posted by: Insomniac at July 03, 2013 08:04 AM (DrWcr)

176 Do not taunt happy fun pixy..... This is bullshit!!! I demand justice! I demand my own Skype witness! I demand a dumb bitch who can't read or write cursive!

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 08:04 AM (GQ8sn)

177 170 Insomniac,

Yup, although the Israelis allegedly are encouraged to carry an inert pistol with no round chambered in some cases...

that seems silly to me as you're screwed if ground and pounded or in tight quarters.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 08:04 AM (LRFds)

178 Wrong. Most can be fired single action or double action. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 03, 2013 12:03 PM (CJjw5) Every sub-compact I looked at was DAO.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 08:05 AM (W6bkf)

179 That assumes there's a juror who has any f'n knowledge. That remains to be seen. Better chance than you'd think. Florida isn't too far behind TX and OK in carry stats. Good chance that one of these women is at least married to (or dating) a CCW holder, and therefore knows some about it. I don't think that SA means intent to kill. So neither does DAO mean not intent to kill. Of course not. But everything about this case has been dumb from the beginning.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 08:05 AM (/PCJa)

180 A nice application of 20,000 volts would have given Zimmerman the upper hand until the police arrived. I'm not sure you want to be in contact with the suspect at that point.

Posted by: zsasz at July 03, 2013 08:05 AM (MMC8r)

181 Posted by: Soledad O'Brien at July 03, 2013 12:00 PM (SY2Kh)

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Wrong. Most can be fired single action or double action.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 03, 2013 12:03 PM (CJjw5)

 

Its apparent Soledad did not have her earpiece in. 

Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2013 08:05 AM (m2CN7)

182 Since every thread is a GZ thread, I'm only posting about non-GZ stuff in this one.

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The pro-death protesters in Texas chanting "Hail Satan" to drown out the pro-lifers singing "Amazing Grace" is a good topic.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 03, 2013 08:05 AM (XUKZU)

183 The Shroud of Trayvon.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 03, 2013 12:03 PM (XUKZU)

 

Is his image visible on the hood?

Posted by: Insomniac at July 03, 2013 08:05 AM (DrWcr)

184 ... most are either or.


You can carry one in the chamber, uncocked, using double action for the first round, and then firing single action for the remainder of the mag.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 03, 2013 08:05 AM (nELVU)

185 Not sure where the defense is going with the double action explanation.

Posted by: blaster


Typical gun grabber argument -- Who needs more then a Colt SAA? Professional racist assassins that's who.


Posted by: Jean at July 03, 2013 08:05 AM (CMlD4)

186

153 The defense should call Clint Eastwood as an expert witness. Not for any particular reason except it would be fucking awesome.

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Agreed. And he should put the hoodie on an empty chair in the courtroom. And then tell everyone that the only mistake GZ made was not using a larger caliber gun.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 03, 2013 08:05 AM (n8LUb)

187

I can't see how Zimmerman gets convicted.  The state hasn't shown any evidence of depraved state of mind.  All they have is the ME, who didn't examine Zimmerman's injuries first-hand, saying the injuries weren't life threatening, which has nothing to do with self-defense.

Something that the Skype witness said, much to the prosecutor's chagrin.

Posted by: MacGruber at July 03, 2013 08:06 AM (xvtYZ)

188 FLA witness granted online 'virtual testimony'? ...so much for the constitutional right in judicial defense to confront your accuser. virtual reality...permeating governance /congressional votes to come

Posted by: panzernashorn at July 03, 2013 08:06 AM (MhA4j)

189 I believe the judge was brought in from family court. Nothing says douche nozzle like a family court judge because all that matters is what's best for the chilrens. See California with the no out for dudes who the mom claims is the father. Even if DNA says otherwise. What the fuck happened to sanity? I looked and there it was, gone.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (Hate, it's whats for breakfast!) at July 03, 2013 08:06 AM (jopHG)

190 Eh..he didn't entirely what he wanted out of her about the clothing\touch\push thing, but close enough.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 08:06 AM (7mQyC)

191

Have any reporterettes been raped lately? Its not an Egyptian Revolution or Spring or whatever unless a reporterette is raped. Its the narrative.

 

Posted by: Chrissy Matthews at July 03, 2013 08:06 AM (oDCMR)

192 O/T. James O'Keefe on Rush today to discuss his new book.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 03, 2013 08:06 AM (r+7wo)

193 173 Almost all popular sub-compact carry guns are DAO (double action only) these days. They are of course designed to be carried with a round chambered.

Posted by: Soledad O'Brien at July 03, 2013 12:00 PM (SY2Kh)

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Wrong. Most can be fired single action or double action.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 03, 2013 12:03 PM (CJjw5)

 

Watching this season of Top Shot one of the guns they've used was a Double Action/Single Action pistol.  First shot is double action, and all subsequent shots are SA.

Posted by: buzzion at July 03, 2013 08:07 AM (LI48c)

194 " judge was brought in from family court." --- correct.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 08:07 AM (7mQyC)

195 Are Obamabots really that motivated to riot pending the outcome of Tray-sheek trial? Save for the a few free flat panel HD's and and some broken windows, there really is no upside The cost-benefit analysis says to me that they will just stay the fuck home and wait for the free shit to come to them. It always does.



 

Posted by: dananjcon at July 03, 2013 08:07 AM (jvd3N)

196

Every sub-compact I looked at was DAO.

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Look at any Glocks?

Posted by: Gunner at July 03, 2013 08:07 AM (XGLac)

197 See California with the no out for dudes who the mom claims is the father. Even if DNA says otherwise.

What the fuck happened to sanity? I looked and there it was, gone.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (Hate, it's whats for breakfast!) at July 03, 2013 12:06 PM (jopHG)

 

"California" and "sanity" do not go together. 

Posted by: Insomniac at July 03, 2013 08:07 AM (DrWcr)

198 I'm not sure you want to be in contact with the suspect at that point.

Posted by: zsasz at July 03, 2013 12:05 PM (MMC8r)

 

A taser not a stun gun unless I want to also feel the wrath. 

Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2013 08:07 AM (m2CN7)

199 I demand justice! I demand my own Skype witness! I demand a dumb bitch who can't read or write cursive!

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 12:04 PM (GQ8sn)




JUSTICE FOR EC!!!111!!!!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 03, 2013 08:07 AM (lVPtV)

200 Legal Insurrection is the go to place for Zimmerman trial. Basically the judge ruled in favor of the state on bringing in Zimmerman's school records (maybe they thought he chewed a pop tart into the shape of the murder weapon to show his depraved heart) and the witness they called basically gave testimony that supported Zimmeran. Epic prosecution fail. You know, with the state, judge and media all against Zimmerman, he keeps prevailing. You might even think he is innocent.

Posted by: Evi. L. Bloggerlady at July 03, 2013 08:08 AM (4kTo2)

201 166 Methos You're assuming whoever holds the switch on the EBT cards wants the riots to stop. True, but once the Nuclear EBT Option is made public, it cannot be ignored. Not pushing the button, to try to stop riots, is political suicide. Also that there wouldn't then be riots over the suspension of EBT rights. I think that 1 area learning the lesson will be enough. (Riots + 2 days) with no food is something for which the FSA is not prepared. Once should be enough. It's about time the FSA legionaries realize that they are no longer true citizens; they helped the Democrats do this to themselves. The only way out is to get a job.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 03, 2013 08:08 AM (FlRtG)

202 197 - Yes a norwegian reporter was raped in the protestor crowd yesterday, or ...it was reported yesterday.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 08:08 AM (7mQyC)

203 I miss Jeantel. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 03, 2013 08:08 AM (lVPtV)

204 Wrong. Most can be fired single action or double action. My understanding is that most semi-autos are DAO. One of the things my CHL instructor said about carrying something like the 1911 (he mostly was against using something so big as a concealed weapon) was that it was single/double, so you could carry it cocked. Most revolvers are single/double, I think, but I believe most modern semi-autos (especially compact to sub-compact) are DAO.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 08:08 AM (/PCJa)

205 I demand justice! I demand my own Skype witness! I demand a dumb bitch who can't read or write cursive! Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 12:04 PM (GQ8sn) JUSTICE FOR EC!!!111!!!! Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 03, 2013 12:07 PM (lVPtV) YOU LISTENIN'??????????

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 08:08 AM (GQ8sn)

206 I miss Jeantel.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 03, 2013 12:08 PM (lVPtV)

 

That's retarded sir ma'am.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 03, 2013 08:09 AM (DrWcr)

207 The Despicable Me 2 TV ads have the little yellow minion guys in Village People costumes dancing to a VP song (I forget which). Also, one minion dressed as Isaac, your Love Boat bartender, doing Isaac's trademark wink/two-gun finger point move. They really ought to give the minion guys their own TV show, or movie shorts. I love them.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 03, 2013 08:09 AM (a5ljo)

208 A nice application of 20,000 volts would have given Zimmerman the upper hand until the police arrived.

I'm not sure I want to put 20,000volts through a guy sitting on me. With me in contact with the ground.

The bullet is better.

Posted by: Methos at July 03, 2013 08:09 AM (hO9ad)

209
It was only once. Or possibly twice. Could have even been three times or more. His injuries were consistent.

Posted by: Dr. Valerie Rao at July 03, 2013 12:04 PM (Aif/5)



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“[A fact that] I think a lot of people – my colleagues in the media – is missing,” Sharpton continued. “You’re telling me you’re a watchmen that was training in martial arts, knew you had a gun, and you couldn’t’ do anything but shoot to kill this guy – a 17-year-old kid can come and hit you two or three times and the only thing you can do is try to kill him? What happened to your martial arts training?”

Thank you Reverend Al.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 03, 2013 08:09 AM (XUKZU)

210 I demand a dumb bitch who can't read or write cursive! Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 12:04 PM (GQ8sn) Dats retarded, SIRRRR

Posted by: RWC at July 03, 2013 08:09 AM (fWAjv)

211 "Top Shot" --- I missed this weeks episode, who went home?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 08:09 AM (7mQyC)

212 200 " judge was brought in from family court."  
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correct.    

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 12:07 PM (7mQyC)

 

 

So was the Prosecuting Attorney...

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 03, 2013 08:09 AM (lZBBB)

213 Dear Rioters-to-be:

Please note gun sales for the last five years.

Thank you.


Yeah.  I drive through sketchy neighborhood to get to work.  Makes me regret not installing some James Bond style accessories on my truck.

However, anyone who decides that I'm going to be the next Reginald Denny better bring more friends than I have .45+P JHP rounds.

Also, die sock.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 03, 2013 08:09 AM (SY2Kh)

214 Is that Chelsea Clinton on the stand?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 03, 2013 08:09 AM (lVPtV)

215 Hey! DA/SA being discussed now.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 03, 2013 08:09 AM (X4HxX)

216 If you have strong suspicions or even weak suspicion that someone murdered two people, why would you party with him?

Posted by: waldo at July 03, 2013 08:10 AM (hc19V)

217 noticed this in a comment to the yahoo story about the trial -- inneresting...

"If the Judge will allow Zimmerman's school records, will he allow Martin's school records? Will the Judge allow the police report, from two days before the incident, when Martin assaulted a city bus driver? Will the Judge allow Martin's facebook page into evidence? I guess what I am saying is, will all the facts be presented?"

this guy should be commenting here, too.

Posted by: Mallfly at July 03, 2013 08:10 AM (bJm7W)

218 177 Polynikes,

eh...some overzealous DAs try to screw with SD theory by going after sub lethal use hard...

it just depends.

That said I am impressed with the latest offerings in stun guns.

http://tinyurl.com/qxll9ob

It's all about concealability

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 08:10 AM (LRFds)

219 All Female jury.... they will try to argue that just HAVING a gun on him, means he was out looking to do bad things...

It all depends on the women...I submit that a jury made up of AtC, Miss Marple, Heather Radish, Jane D'oh, and a veritable plethora of 'ettes, including moi, would be a very different critter than a jury made up of Laquisha, Mary Cloggenstein, etc.

You never know which sweet little old lady has a Glock in that big old purse.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 03, 2013 08:10 AM (kXoT0)

220 reports saying Morsi under house arrest. much better than studio apartment arrest.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 03, 2013 08:10 AM (ZPrif)

221 If he was "looking for trouble" ... that PF-9 would have been a backup gun to a Benelli M1 Super 90


Posted by: Jean at July 03, 2013 08:10 AM (CMlD4)

222

<< I miss Jeantel.>>

 

I'm sorry your week has been this rough.

Posted by: MacGruber at July 03, 2013 08:10 AM (xvtYZ)

223 A nice application of 20,000 volts would have given Zimmerman the upper hand until the police arrived. Yeah, no. The human body is fairly conductive. If Martin was on top of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman tried a tazer, they would both have felt the affects. Then it would simply be a question of which one could shake them off first.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 08:10 AM (/PCJa)

224 Just got a profile. It's gonna take a nose job, and a chin implant. On the other hand, if she just whispers firearms sweet-nothings in the ear...., well...., looks aren't everything.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 03, 2013 08:11 AM (aDwsi)

225 >>>197 Have any reporterettes been raped lately? Its not an Egyptian Revolution or Spring or whatever unless a reporterette is raped. Its the narrative. Lotso rape, including a veritable bonanza of finger penetration by smelly Egyptians.

Posted by: wooga at July 03, 2013 08:11 AM (h5lu9)

226 Watching this season of Top Shot one of the guns they've used was a Double Action/Single Action pistol. First shot is double action, and all subsequent shots are SA. I have a Ruger 95DC which is DA/SA. It can be SA, or if you decock it (the DC), it will fire DA, then each subsequent shot is SA. But it is a full frame pistol. I have not seen an SA subcompact. I have seen compacts that are DA/SA. But no subcompacts.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 08:11 AM (W6bkf)

227 I see the judge is still a total bitch toward the defense.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 03, 2013 08:12 AM (lVPtV)

228 See California with the no out for dudes who the mom claims is the father. Even if DNA says otherwise. What the fuck happened to sanity? I looked and there it was, gone.
Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (Hate, it's whats for breakfast!) at July 03, 2013 12:06 PM (jopHG)

"California" and "sanity" do not go together.

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In the immportal words of Governor Moonbeam explain why the bridge he spent $6 billion on isn't safe, "Shit happens."

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 03, 2013 08:12 AM (XUKZU)

229 >>Okay, but still - cinammon. Gack. Like Satan's dandruff. Don't want that shit in my food.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 03, 2013 11:46 AM (CJjw5)<<



I don't like thinammon either.

Posted by: Theater Major at July 03, 2013 08:12 AM (KjlbF)

230 Wrong. Most can be fired single action or double action.

Name a few.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 03, 2013 08:13 AM (SY2Kh)

231 >>>222 If you have strong suspicions or even weak suspicion that someone murdered two people, why would you party with him? Because Ted Kennedy had the best booze.

Posted by: wooga at July 03, 2013 08:13 AM (h5lu9)

232 Little Trayvon always shared his graham crackers with the other children.  He loved all crackers.

Posted by: Trayvon's Kindergarten Teacher at July 03, 2013 08:13 AM (8ZskC)

233 219 Hollowpoint,

My ammo collection for HD and PD is pretty sound.

My .308 corelokts are for hunting

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 08:13 AM (LRFds)

234 "All Female jury.... they will try to argue that just HAVING a gun on him, means he was out looking to do bad things..." --- 3 on the jury have some experience with fire arms; 1 owns one, 1 has fired family\friends weapons; 1 has member of family that owns guns.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 08:13 AM (7mQyC)

235 @171 Sure you did... I remember similar testimony at Nuremberg... "I clost mein tags!"

Posted by: Gran at July 03, 2013 08:13 AM (mw0FO)

236 I missed it.....Is the jury sequestered? And is Zimmerman out on bail? Also, this judge is most pleasant when discussing lunch.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 03, 2013 08:13 AM (X6akg)

237 I'm going to go paint my front door. It's currently red and I'm going to paint it black. Sweet.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (Hate, it's whats for breakfast!) at July 03, 2013 08:14 AM (jopHG)

238 Egypt Facebook wars.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 03, 2013 08:14 AM (ZPrif)

239 "233 I see the judge is still a total bitch toward the defense." --- Yes, nothing has changed today compared to the previous 7 days and pretrial bias.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 08:14 AM (7mQyC)

240 213 The Despicable Me 2 TV ads have the little yellow minion guys in Village People costumes dancing to a VP song (I forget which). Also, one minion dressed as Isaac, your Love Boat bartender, doing Isaac's trademark wink/two-gun finger point move.

They really ought to give the minion guys their own TV show, or movie shorts. I love them.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 03, 2013 12:09 PM (a5ljo)

 

Just looked.  The DVD of the first movie had three Minion shorts.  And they are getting their own movie in 2014.

Posted by: buzzion at July 03, 2013 08:14 AM (LI48c)

241 If you have strong suspicions or even weak suspicion that someone murdered two people, why would you party with him?

Because Ted Kennedy had the best booze.
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Best-of-thread.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 03, 2013 08:14 AM (aDwsi)

242 More than one rape in Tahir square, and the military is taking steps to protect women: (at WeasleZippers.com)

"The military is already beginning to step up, trying to address the problem of sexual assault against women protesters.

They have established a cordon in Tahrir Square to protect women so they cannot be harrassed.

One of the worst aspects of the problems in Egypt has been the continual sexual harassment of women, particularly at protests and in Tahrir Square. Over the last few days there are reports of as many as 91 attacks on women, including vicious rapes and beating women with chairs, metal chains."

Posted by: Lizzy at July 03, 2013 08:14 AM (2mSdf)

243 I missed it.....Is the jury sequestered? That's my understanding. And is Zimmerman out on bail? Last I heard he was in jail because his wife "lied" about their income in some way. (Scare-quotes because I don't remember the full story there).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 08:15 AM (/PCJa)

244 ".Is the jury sequestered? And is Zimmerman out on bail? ---- Yes and Yes

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 08:15 AM (7mQyC)

245 229 Allen G,

Yeah...it's like Pepper Spray....

"really" unless you are using it as the aggressor closes and move away you're screwed too...

I've used both non lethal devices...

my personal preference for non lethal defense is the ASP....

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 08:15 AM (LRFds)

246 Look at any Glocks? Posted by: Gunner at July 03, 2013 12:07 PM (XGLac) Glock makes single action pistols?

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 08:15 AM (W6bkf)

247 248 More than one rape in Tahir square, and the military is taking steps to protect women: (at WeasleZippers.com)

"The military is already beginning to step up, trying to address the problem of sexual assault against women protesters.




They should just send in a few thousand goats.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 03, 2013 08:15 AM (lVPtV)

248 The misses sig .380 is double then single or cock it and it's single. She doesn't like it because it doesn't have a safety. I tried to tell her the trigger is the safety but she doesn't get it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 03, 2013 08:16 AM (XIxXP)

249 Over the last few days there are reports of as many as 91 attacks on women, including vicious rapes and beating women with chairs, metal chains." In the end, this is the problem with Islam.

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 08:16 AM (GQ8sn)

250 I think that 1 area learning the lesson will be enough. (Riots + 2 days) with no food is something for which the FSA is not prepared. Once should be enough.

I see what you mean about using food to control people, it's just I think hunger becomes its own casus belli, see Egypt.

Posted by: Methos at July 03, 2013 08:16 AM (hO9ad)

251

You never know which sweet little old lady has a Glock in that big old purse.

 


 

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 03, 2013 12:10 PM (kXoT0)

 

 

Exactly my point though... case in point... my 84 year old Mom... who would not even let us have toy guns growing up.  Anti gun School Teacher, in a Military Town (SAC Base) most of her life...

 

2 years ago, she moved in with me... and got the other side of the story... now she does not even flinch if I put the LockBox in the in the car...

 

But she still does not know squat about guns...

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 03, 2013 08:16 AM (lZBBB)

252 I have not seen an SA subcompact. I have seen compacts that are DA/SA. But no subcompacts.

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Both the Sprinfield XD sub and the M and P Shield are single action.

They are both striker fired weapons... but still SA.

I own both.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 03, 2013 08:16 AM (nELVU)

253 Good morning RINOs You know, 4 non blondes should make a song about the trial, have a comeback tour

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 03, 2013 08:17 AM (1DZOE)

254 224 177 Finally. After a couple of years recommending a stun gun or two and a few cans of pepper spray as carry items, others are seeing the same plan. Add a 2-AA-cell LED flashlight (a "jitte") and a cane (makes you look "old and creaky", yet able to hand out spankings), and you're ready to grumble.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 03, 2013 08:17 AM (FlRtG)

255 255 - Quick get the FL prosecutors on the case(s).

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 08:17 AM (7mQyC)

256 I missed it.....Is the jury sequestered?

That's my understanding.
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Jury gets box lunches. Judge dines at The City Club...., with the D.A.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 03, 2013 08:17 AM (aDwsi)

257
Last I heard he was in jail because his wife "lied" about their income in some way. (Scare-quotes because I don't remember the full story there).



She didn't mention the donations they'd received in his defense fund or whatever the hell it was called.

Posted by: Adam at July 03, 2013 08:17 AM (Aif/5)

258 my personal preference for non lethal defense is the ASP.... My philosophy is that if I'm in a self-defense situation, I'm already concerned that you're trying to kill me. When you two people get in a fight, and one is intent on killing the other, but the other is not at least willing to kill the former? The dude going for the kill wins. My personal preference for less-than-lethal defense is not to get in a fight. Once the fight starts, I'm much less concerned about your survival.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 08:18 AM (/PCJa)

259 And why isn't the Glock .380 allowed to be sold to civilians?

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 08:18 AM (GQ8sn)

260 254 OSP,

if you have any LE contacts have them explain it to her...

Wife was leery of that, but once a retired cop explained the manual of arms on use to her she got it.

I don't like DAO or DA/SA much...

got the FEG S+W 39/HP-35 hybrid to try to learn it.

I am sorta old school on pistols.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 08:18 AM (LRFds)

261 The human body is fairly conductive. If Martin was on top of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman tried a tazer, they would both have felt the affects. Then it would simply be a question of which one could shake them off first.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 12:10 PM (/PCJa)

 

No a taser does not transfer the charge as I understand it.  A stun gun possibly can but the I also have been told that the attacker ususally absorbs the shock without any transfer. 

Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2013 08:18 AM (m2CN7)

262 81 Bring in the Clowns!

Reporting for duty

Posted by: Gang of Eight at July 03, 2013 08:19 AM (Kkt/i)

263 251. Not sure of the law in Florida but using an asp will land you in jail faster than a firearm Plus you can't really use the 'he ducked' defense when you shatter a joint

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 03, 2013 08:19 AM (1DZOE)

264 I have not seen an SA subcompact. I have seen compacts that are DA/SA. But no subcompacts. Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 12:11 PM ----------------------------- Not sure if it qualifies as "subcompact", but a friend has the 9mm Springfield EMP. Fairly small.

Posted by: irright at July 03, 2013 08:19 AM (Ze8oh)

265 I read some clown proclaiming that TM had a 3.7 gpa and got a full scholarship to a university. Maybe he did. But it would have to be the HS and UNI Tireneck attends. Let's get real - he missed over 30 days of school due to suspensions alone before he was killed. How the hell does one miss that much school and graduate let alone keep ones grades up. Social promotion?

Posted by: waldo at July 03, 2013 08:19 AM (hc19V)

266 I am sorta old school on pistols. Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 12:18 PM (LRFds) Me too. I have a S&W 39-2. It's my buddy.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 03, 2013 08:19 AM (XIxXP)

267 264 AllenG,

Allen not talking down to you, I could not approach it that way when I carried the gear.  Now that I am not a pro, and just a guy I wholeheartedly agree.  My fear is that this trial is showing me that being trained and once licensed may be held against me in the event IO ever have another incident.

I am decidedly less than thrilled with this "brave new world" we're seeing.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 08:19 AM (LRFds)

268 Both the Sprinfield XD sub and the M and P Shield are single action. The XD compact (sub-compact) is Single Action? I knew my standard XD9 was single/double, but I thought the sub-compact version was DOA.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 08:19 AM (/PCJa)

269 I made the mistake of wading into the cesspool that is the WaPo comments section over the TX abortion debate.

Evil is alive and well in liberal land.  I've never read such vile filth in my life. 

A left a comment or two, and haven't been back to see the nasty responses.  Too depressing.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 03, 2013 08:20 AM (lVPtV)

270 I think everyone is waiting for the spark now. Those who cannot take it are committing suicide.

Posted by: RiverC at July 03, 2013 08:20 AM (El+h4)

271 Social promotion? Posted by: waldo at July 03, 2013 12:19 PM (hc19V) Yes.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 03, 2013 08:20 AM (XIxXP)

272 >>In the end, this is the problem with Islam.

Yep, a real War on Women(tm).

Posted by: Lizzy at July 03, 2013 08:20 AM (2mSdf)

273 And why isn't the Glock .380 allowed to be sold to civilians?

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 12:18 PM (GQ8sn)



I was under the impression it isn't offered at all in the U.S.

Posted by: Adam at July 03, 2013 08:20 AM (Aif/5)

274 255 Over the last few days there are reports of as many as 91 attacks on women, including vicious rapes and beating women with chairs, metal chains." ----------------------------------- In the end, this is the problem with Islam OWS. Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 12:16 PM (GQ8sn) FIFA

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 03, 2013 08:20 AM (da5Wo)

275 Morsi looks like Mr. French from Family Circus.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 03, 2013 08:21 AM (V1ZIU)

276 217 "Top Shot"
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I missed this weeks episode, who went home?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 12:09 PM (7mQyC)

 

It doesn't look like their is an episode this week.  Likely because of Independence day.

Posted by: buzzion at July 03, 2013 08:21 AM (LI48c)

277 There is some semantic debate whether striker fired like the Glocks or XD are SA or not.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 08:21 AM (W6bkf)

278 I was under the impression it isn't offered at all in the U.S. All it says is "LE only". Don't know about it not being offered in the US.

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 08:21 AM (GQ8sn)

279 Allen not talking down to you, I could not approach it that way when I carried the gear Ah, yes. I heartily approve of cops having less-than-lethal options. Different scenario, though.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 08:21 AM (/PCJa)

280 Anti-social promotion.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 03, 2013 08:22 AM (ZshNr)

281 reports tanks are on the move in Cairo. reports Morsi under house arrest reports Muzzie Bros being rounded up/arrested. coup appears to be in motion

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 03, 2013 08:22 AM (ZPrif)

282 FIFA Soccer?

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 08:22 AM (GQ8sn)

283 267. Actually it does skin to skin When we had our training we had a couple people hold hands and they both went down The reason is dc current has the tendency to go around the skin vice ac which penetrates

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 03, 2013 08:22 AM (1DZOE)

284 265 EC,

Idiotic protectionist laws...

http://tinyurl.com/om4ucos

In part but also .380 is a much maligned(unfairly IMHO) round for PD

I actually prefer the milder ballistics b/c of the risk of collateral impact

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 08:22 AM (LRFds)

285 reports tanks are on the move in Cairo. reports Morsi under house arrest reports Muzzie Bros being rounded up/arrested. coup appears to be in motion Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 03, 2013 12:22 PM (ZPrif) Good, goatfuckers.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 03, 2013 08:22 AM (XIxXP)

286 There is some semantic debate whether striker fired like the Glocks or XD are SA or not.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 12:21 PM (W6bkf)

 

Glock characterizes its pistols as "safe action" as opposed to DAO or SA, whatever that means. 

Posted by: Insomniac at July 03, 2013 08:23 AM (DrWcr)

287 And why isn't the Glock .380 allowed to be sold to civilians? They don't meet the minimum on ATF scoring for imports.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at July 03, 2013 08:23 AM (V3kRK)

288 reports tanks are on the move in Cairo. reports Morsi under house arrest reports Muzzie Bros being rounded up/arrested. coup appears to be in motion That warms the cockles of my heart.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 08:23 AM (/PCJa)

289 No a taser does not transfer the charge as I understand it. A stun gun possibly can but the I also have been told that the attacker ususally absorbs the shock without any transfer.

I'd still rather not risk an arc to my junk.

Posted by: Methos at July 03, 2013 08:23 AM (hO9ad)

290 285 Allen G,

well I was a rent a cop and bodyguard NCJ was a cop...

but the same ideas apply....

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 08:23 AM (LRFds)

291 I really don't believe there will be race riots.
We'll see.
How many legit riots have we had since the spread of internet porn?

How many people have actually died in riots in America in the last 20 years?


Are you pining for the days of "ZOOT SUIT RIOT!  RIOT!"?

Posted by: bonhomme at July 03, 2013 08:23 AM (44jNh)

292 And why isn't the Glock .380 allowed to be sold to civilians? Posted by: EC   BATF design guidelines

Posted by: Jean at July 03, 2013 08:23 AM (CMlD4)

293 Soccer? Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 12:22 PM (GQ8sn) Commie. Fixed It For Accuracy

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 03, 2013 08:23 AM (da5Wo)

294 Human Rights Watch on sexual assaults at Tahrir Square. This is just evil.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/07/03/egypt-epidemic-sexual-violence

Posted by: Lizzy at July 03, 2013 08:24 AM (2mSdf)

295 Zimmerman thread moves to Gun thread. Question is, what did the thread start out as?

Posted by: RWC at July 03, 2013 08:24 AM (fWAjv)

296 275 I made the mistake of wading into the cesspool that is the WaPo comments section over the TX abortion debate. Evil is alive and well in liberal land. I've never read such vile filth in my life. A left a comment or two, and haven't been back to see the nasty responses. Too depressing. Posted by: Jane D'oh Backhoe here- Jane, I have long held that abortion is the bloody sacrament of a secular religion- a cult of death. I don't want to go back to the days of criminal abortions, but? The people you see on that side of it are fanatics. Kooks. Lunatics. Who worship Death.

Posted by: I'm lighting my torch now... at July 03, 2013 08:24 AM (ULH4o)

297 @292 - exactly - it is kind of a semantic debate. Some people say striker is neither SA or DA.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 08:24 AM (W6bkf)

298 In other words, where the white boobieh at?

Posted by: RWC at July 03, 2013 08:24 AM (fWAjv)

299 Zimmerman thread moves to Gun thread. Well, duh. It's a natural lead-in.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 08:25 AM (/PCJa)

300 CNN intl reports coup under way

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 03, 2013 08:25 AM (ZPrif)

301 @RodrigoEBR: Military statement in Egypt expected at 7pm Cairo Time, 1pm ET”

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 03, 2013 08:25 AM (X6akg)

302 There is some semantic debate whether striker fired like the Glocks or XD are SA or not.

As far as I'm concerned- if it ain't got an exposed hammer, it's not SA.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 03, 2013 08:25 AM (SY2Kh)

303 My understanding is that most semi-autos are DAO. One of the things my CHL instructor said about carrying something like the 1911 (he mostly was against using something so big as a concealed weapon) was that it was single/double, so you could carry it cocked.

Most revolvers are single/double, I think, but I believe most modern semi-autos (especially compact to sub-compact) are DAO.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 12:08 PM (/PCJa)

 

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If it's a striker-fired pistol, like a Glock or Springfield XD, it's going to be DAO.  If it has a hammer, it is most likely SA/DA.

 

1911-pattern pistols are Single Action Only, meaning they have to be cocked  to fire the first round.  The recoil force re-cocks the hammer before the slide returns to battery.  The "single action" that the trigger performs is to release the hammer.  They are carried cocked sometimes because otherwise you would have  to manually cock the hammer before  firing.

 

"Double Action" pistols allow you to both cock the hammer and release it with a single trigger pull.  With revolvers:  most modern pattern revolvers with an exposed hammer are SA/DA.  5-shot belly guns with an internal or shrouded hammer like my Smith 642 are DAO, as there is no way to cock the hammer.

 

Older pattern, "cowboy" type revolvers like the Colt 1873 pattern are single action only, even though they have an exposed hammer.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 03, 2013 08:26 AM (CJjw5)

304 There is some semantic debate whether striker fired like the Glocks or XD are SA or not.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 12:21 PM (W6bkf)


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Not really.


If the triger pull supplies the force for the cocking the hammer, the pistol is a double action.


If the rearward action of the slide cocks the hammer and trigger pull disengages the sear, its a single action.


Both pistols are SA.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 03, 2013 08:26 AM (nELVU)

305 Tanks moving into Tahrir Square.  This could get ugly or be over in a matter of minutes.

Posted by: DailyDish at July 03, 2013 08:26 AM (+b3dK)

306 They don't meet the minimum on ATF scoring for imports. To further clarify: It's not that they cannot be sold to the general public, it's that they cannot be imported for sale to the general public. Police and public safety can get them, and there is nothing stopping those from eventually making it onto the market.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at July 03, 2013 08:26 AM (V3kRK)

307 In the end, this is the problem with Islam.

Well, that and worshipping the Devil. But it helps them get along with leftists, so there's that.

Posted by: Methos at July 03, 2013 08:26 AM (hO9ad)

308 I don't want to go back to the days of criminal abortions, but? I do. Medical Necessity (that is: life of the mother) exception. Otherwise, abortion is murder. Of course, that won't fly politically for a good generation at least (and probably "never") but I like to make my actual starting point clear so that people know "rape & incest" are *already* me negotiating.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 08:26 AM (/PCJa)

309 Only her earpiece knows for sure.

يمكنك الآن متابعة

Posted by: @SOEarpiece at July 03, 2013 08:27 AM (codCi)

310

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 03, 2013 12:22 PM (1DZOE)

 

I hear ya and have seen that but I don't expect to be holding hands with my attacker.  I'm sure you have also seen other cops that have their hands on a perp who has been tasered and still not complying and another jolt is provided. 

Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2013 08:27 AM (m2CN7)

311 I'm not a lawyer and I'm sure there are legal reasons for this, but it does seem wrong that the prosecution witness (Serino I think) can be used to make various  inferences about Zimmerman, but when he states that the guy seemed credible - "OH NO! That can't go on the record!"

Posted by: RM at July 03, 2013 08:27 AM (/Frlf)

312 303 Blaster,

I am intrigued to try to Daewoo DP-59(?) b/c it has a "sliding pull" trigger array that reduces the felt weight as weapon goes into battery...

not that I'd carry it without a lot of faith in it but I enjoy seeing alternate methods of skinning cats.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 08:28 AM (LRFds)

313 Posted by: @SOEarpiece at July 03, 2013 12:27 PM (codCi)

----

That looks like cursive.... SIR!!

Posted by: Miss Jeantel at July 03, 2013 08:28 AM (nELVU)

314 They don't meet the minimum on ATF scoring for imports. What exactly is different about the G25/28 than the 9mm models?

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 08:28 AM (GQ8sn)

315 I'm thinking the Muslim Brotherhood lacks the numbers to do a damn thing about what's going on right now. Am I wrong? Anyone know how many members they've got in Egypt?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 03, 2013 08:28 AM (V1ZIU)

316 I'm not confident there will be no riots - what about all of the black flash mobs over the past few years? Maybe it will be more random, like these attacks: http://tinyurl.com/ke3ypqn
http://tinyurl.com/n2fnok5

Posted by: Lizzy at July 03, 2013 08:28 AM (2mSdf)

317 296. But as a bodyguard you saw more ugly action But when I used force.....oh yeah Fact: what goes in the incident report is almost always taken as fact by a CO Pulling a gun and would be a goodby retirement move Pulling my baton meant shut the fuck and go back to your ship

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 03, 2013 08:28 AM (1DZOE)

318 My internal clock is all out of whack due to the Zimmerman trial. I'm in a 3 hour difference zone. I get up and listen at 6 am and end up going falling asleep around 7-8 pm, wake up around 1-2 am. Right now It feels like it is past lunch time and it is only around 9:30.

Posted by: waldo at July 03, 2013 08:28 AM (hc19V)

319 What exactly is different about the G25/28 than the 9mm models?

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 12:28 PM (GQ8sn)

 

Fuck you, that's what.

Posted by: BATF at July 03, 2013 08:29 AM (DrWcr)

320

CNBC says Military Coup under way.  Dow up.

Posted by: DailyDish at July 03, 2013 08:29 AM (+b3dK)

321 In 2013 we get to watch coups in real-time on twitter and Facebook. Which means obsessive news junkies can become aware of things ... almost 30 minutes earlier than ten years ago. Progress!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 03, 2013 08:29 AM (ZPrif)

322 Correction - XDs are single action - if you have a misfire you can't pull the trigger for a second shot, you have to rack the slide.  What a piece of shit.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 03, 2013 08:29 AM (CJjw5)

323 Arbalest@135, I got to shop my West Philly supermarket when the entire PA EBT network was down one Sunday. There was a team at the front door announcing the fact, letting SNAP customers know that they couldn't use anything but cash. The aisles were empty, the checkouts were smooth, the lines were short. No patrons allocating their carts into four separate purchases using assorted credit/debit/SNAP/cash cards for various classes of products. No checkouts halted while items were un-purchased until the total matched the available funds. No arguments between customer and cashier over whether and why a specific item was or was not SNAP eligible. No railing against the infallible judgment of the OCR scanners. I would pay a 10 percent premium for a lane that wouldn't hang me up behind six special needs customers.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 03, 2013 08:29 AM (a5ljo)

324 So the "impartial" judge says they can use Z's school records? How about trayvons you bitch...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 03, 2013 08:30 AM (9+ccr)

325 A baby lamb? A type of weasel.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 08:30 AM (/PCJa)

326 With the world wide internet, people can find coverage on Eypt, so quit ya bitchin'! Why would you want coverage by the msm hacks anyway? Go find some English speaking Egyptian bloggers or twitters.

Posted by: waldo at July 03, 2013 08:30 AM (hc19V)

327 256 Methos at July 03, 2013 12:16 PM (hO9ad) I see what you mean about using food to control people, it's just I think hunger becomes its own casus belli, see Egypt. Add beer, liquor and smokes to the list. It's not just hunger. Your point about Egypt is valid about Egypt, not here, at least not yet. Hunger is no stranger to Egypt ... everyone knows. But the FSA? They need to learn. When many of the FSA poster children look like EO success stories for Michelin ads ... hunger, nicotine withdrawal, sugar-deprivation and lack of appropriate tasty beverages should work quite well.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 03, 2013 08:30 AM (FlRtG)

328 283 There is some semantic debate whether striker fired like the Glocks or XD are SA or not. Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 12:21 PM --------------------------------------------------------- Obviously it's not technically correct, but I will always consider any long trigger pull double-action. A single-action trigger should be short, crisp, clean, and break like the proverbial glass rod. I'm obstinate that way, and I ain't changing.

Posted by: irright at July 03, 2013 08:30 AM (Ze8oh)

329 I'd still rather not risk an arc to my junk. 
Posted by: Methos at July 03, 2013 12:23 PM (hO9ad)



Why is your junk touching the person you're tasing? 

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 03, 2013 08:30 AM (oY6Yp)

330 So the "impartial" judge says they can use Z's school records? How about trayvons you bitch...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 03, 2013 12:30 PM

 

Hello, like, Zimmerman's the one on trial here, not St. Trayvon of the Sacred Skittles!

Posted by: Some liberal at July 03, 2013 08:31 AM (DrWcr)

331 I guess Barry is going to be all butt-hurt over Morsi.  And I really hope Mooch has recovered from her exhausting vacay and has settled back into her prison.

Gah.  Rage headache.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 03, 2013 08:31 AM (lVPtV)

332 "This could get ugly or be over in a matter of minutes. " -- I vote minutes.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 08:31 AM (7mQyC)

333 Tanks moving into Tahrir Square. This could get ugly or be over in a matter of minutes.


They can be stopped.  Or at least slowed down.

Posted by: Rachel Corrie at July 03, 2013 08:31 AM (8ZskC)

334 316. The best part of watching a taser used is when the badass gets it there is a squeal and sometimes urine Good fun Damn I should have joined the marshals Damn you T!!!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 03, 2013 08:31 AM (1DZOE)

335 323 NCJ,

I was mostly lucky.  I saw less fighting than a bouncer.  I carried off the bodyguard look well enough most people didn't want to play.

Walking protection contracts on property was the only time I ever had to clear leather, I never had to shoot.

I had a totally different understanding of what LE faces after that day though and am not sure my stomach could take the stress.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 08:31 AM (LRFds)

336 Anti-social promotion.

***

If you keep telling the truth like that, I'm going to have to report you to Attorney general Holder.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 03, 2013 08:32 AM (XUKZU)

337 Why is your junk touching the person you're tasing?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 03, 2013 12:30 PM (oY6Yp)

 

 

Hey, what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is none of my business. 

Posted by: Insomniac at July 03, 2013 08:32 AM (DrWcr)

338 Who you talking to waldo?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 03, 2013 08:32 AM (ZPrif)

339 Sandmonkey: http://goo.gl/EMoa4

Posted by: waldo at July 03, 2013 08:32 AM (hc19V)

340 I guess Barry is going to be all butt-hurt over Morsi. And I really hope Mooch has recovered from her exhausting vacay and has settled back into her prison.


Lobster tail.  Tell the warden I demand lobster tail!

Posted by: The FLOTUS in the Iron Mask at July 03, 2013 08:32 AM (8ZskC)

341 Why is your junk touching the person you're tasing? Well, it started out as a statement that if Z had used a taser instead of a gun, he still would have been okay and M would still be alive. I (and a couple others) pointed out that when your assailant is on top of you, running electricity through their body (in the rain, natch) is probably not the best idea.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 08:32 AM (/PCJa)

342 Gun thread is totally on topic as the last witness was the firearms forensics person. What I missed was that apparently earlier the prosecution tried to imply that only a bad boy would carry a pistol with one in the pipe. Which isn't really the case, such pistols are typically advertised in their capacity as 6+1, for example. The defense was trying to use this witness to say that the pistol itself did not make Zimmerman a bad guy - but also implied that other pistols might have done so. I guess they had to do it, any unanswered accusation is presumed to be true. Still, it was a dumb argument. One thing I have learned in my time in court is that the law, and the facts, are really not all that important. The lawyers want the audience - judge, jury - to feel more positively about their client/position than they do about the other sides'. That is why they do what they do. It doesn't matter whether carrying a PF9 means you are more or less likely to kill someone than if you carry a 1911 - but if they can make the audience think that it means something negative about the other side, they throw it out there.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2013 08:33 AM (W6bkf)

343 341 Rachel Corrie,

Rachel honey you just greased his tracks...

lay down your burden

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 08:33 AM (LRFds)

344 Am I wrong? Anyone know how many members they've got in Egypt?

They won an election. Not sure how committed their voter remain. There's also a question whether the salafists join Morsi in a fight if they conclude that military rule is the end of sharia influence for the forseeable future.

Posted by: Methos at July 03, 2013 08:33 AM (hO9ad)

345 Just looked. The DVD of the first movie had three Minion shorts. And they are getting their own movie in 2014.

Posted by: buzzion at July 03, 2013 12:14 PM (LI48c)


I love the Minions.  I lust after having a Mob of Minions to call my own.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 03, 2013 08:33 AM (kXoT0)

346 Cops carry DAO "safe" pistols...

it is not a mark of "intent"


What percentage?  My favorite personal is DAO.  I love it.  Consistent pull every time.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 03, 2013 08:33 AM (44jNh)

347    They can be stopped. Or at least slowed down. 
Posted by: Rachel Corrie at July 03, 2013 12:31 PM (8ZskC)


Did anyone else feel something?   

Posted by: Egyptian M1-Abrams at July 03, 2013 08:35 AM (sGtp+)

348 331 Little Miss Spellcheck at July 03, 2013 12:29 PM (a5ljo) I got to shop my West Philly supermarket when the entire PA EBT network was down one Sunday. There was a team at the front door announcing the fact, letting SNAP customers know that they couldn't use anything but cash. How were the SNAP customers reacting? Enquiring Minds Want to Know.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 03, 2013 08:35 AM (FlRtG)

349 CNBC says Military Coup under way. Dow up. Posted by: DailyDish
-----------------

Obama team holding focus groups to determine which way to jump, and how to hold Republicans responsible no matter what happens.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 03, 2013 08:35 AM (aDwsi)

350 Breaking: Obama waives Arab Spring!

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 03, 2013 08:35 AM (ZshNr)

351

It took two grown men to move/hold up the hoodie of the wee lad Trademark.

This would be funny if......

Posted by: prefounder at July 03, 2013 08:35 AM (XYAUB)

352 Part of the news with Egypt is that, I think, our Mainstream Media Networks officially accept the fact that they are dead as organizations whose goals are what they were traditionally.

Their goal and reason to exist now is to get ratings, not to report news. If you want news you go to the internet.

Posted by: RiverC at July 03, 2013 08:35 AM (El+h4)

353 I (and a couple others) pointed out that when your assailant is on top of you, running electricity through their body (in the rain, natch) is probably not the best idea.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 12:32 PM (/PCJa)

 

again that is not accurate. 

Posted by: polynikes at July 03, 2013 08:36 AM (m2CN7)

354 #363

It depends on the device, I would imagine. Electricity is a funny beast.

Posted by: RiverC at July 03, 2013 08:37 AM (El+h4)

355 Are you pining for the days of "ZOOT SUIT RIOT! RIOT!"?

***

So you're saying that at least may get a cool song out of it?

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 03, 2013 08:37 AM (XUKZU)

356 Myslim Brotherhood: If we can't control Egypt we'll start a civil war and then no one can control Egypt. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Problem now for the MB is they are all out in the open since they've been running things. When they were illegal, there was a lot of covert membership. Now they're all life city commissioners, customs officials, highway supervisor, and anything else where dicks can be swung ans graft collected.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at July 03, 2013 08:38 AM (PwV7G)

357 again that is not accurate. Do you really want to take that chance? In the rain? Seriously? In general, electricity and water don't mix. In general, electricity and the human body don't mix. Add all three of them together and... what? Okay, so "normally" a taser wouldn't arc to the one using it. I'm still not taking the chance in that situation.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 08:38 AM (/PCJa)

358 355 Bonhomme,

Depends on the Dept policy.

I think all NYPD have to carry DAO unless they were qualified with older weapons.

The PDs back home in Ohio use Glocks which are "safe" action which is some tweener thing.

It all boils down to what you train with.  I learned pistols with a DA/SA revolver and a SA semi-auto.  The wife is a SASS enthusiast and hopeful so my recent pistols have mostly been SA only.

The FEG SW/B HP hybrid I am getting gunsmithed is DA/SA but I will most likely treat it as a SA/SA if need be.

It is of course a Service pistol and not really CCW ready.

I like Sigs, and Anna Puma has me pindering the Beretta X-4 family or a Nano...

I love guns, I don't have as many as I'd like but to Congressmen I probably have more than they'd like.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 08:38 AM (LRFds)

359 "I would pay a 10 percent premium for a lane that wouldn't hang me up behind six special needs customers."

I would pay that if the store required each EBT customer to say thank you to the regular patrons over the loudspeaker as the checked out.

Posted by: Jean at July 03, 2013 08:39 AM (CMlD4)

360 live cam of Tahrir Square

http://tinyurl.com/TahrirSquare20130703

Posted by: AltonJackson@work at July 03, 2013 08:39 AM (9HP5k)

361 Every sub-compact I looked at was DAO. .
Look at any Glocks?


Are you assuming the man is poor and black? 

Posted by: bonhomme at July 03, 2013 08:39 AM (44jNh)

362 I know I've seen suspects hit with an electronic device while other officers were grappling with him. The officers in contact with the suspect didn't seem fazed. Did that happen with Don't Taze Me, Bro guy?

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 03, 2013 08:39 AM (ZshNr)

363 I (and a couple others) pointed out that when your assailant is on top of you, running electricity through their body (in the rain, natch) is probably not the best idea. 
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 03, 2013 12:32 PM (/PCJa)


Was mostly just trying to be funny, but I have doubts that the taser can transmit enough energy to another person through clothing and what ever skin contact there is. 

That said, the (relative) non-lethality comes at a price of stopping power and reliability.  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 03, 2013 08:40 AM (v3pYe)

364 And here I thought Antonin Scalia was the intelligent well written one..... The Anchoress on "Hail Satan" http://tinyurl.com/mnmd7l4

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 03, 2013 08:40 AM (da5Wo)

365 What exactly is different about the G25/28 than the 9mm models? I don't know specifically, but here are the scoring criteria: http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-5330-5.pdf My guess would be that every desirable aspect that created the niche in the first place works against it according to the ATF standard.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at July 03, 2013 08:40 AM (V3kRK)

366 have they called a mistrial yet?  I got rid of my satelite subscription months ago

Posted by: DanMan at July 03, 2013 08:40 AM (RusNE)

367 Why is your junk touching the person you're tasing?

That seems roughly how the MMA guys are arranged when one is on the mat having his brains beat out. Even if there's space at that point, when the guy on top falls immobilized due to the current, there's a decent chance it's backwards.

Posted by: Methos at July 03, 2013 08:41 AM (hO9ad)

368 I've read half a dozen articles stating in essence that with or without a conviction in the Zimmerman trial we can all EXPECT race riots to exceed the Rodney King debacle. I find a compelling case that the MSM is working hard to facilitate just such an event. I think this is one time we can all remember the Boy Scout motto of "Be Prepared". I'm armed and stockpiling ammo. I'm avoiding certain neighborhoods. I don't want to be part of any conflict based on this event. I will however, protect and defend those near and dear to me including family, friends and their property. Just an FYI.....

Posted by: MrObvious at July 03, 2013 08:41 AM (jgcLl)

369 Why is your junk touching the person you're tasing? Donkey zap.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at July 03, 2013 08:41 AM (V3kRK)

370 CNBC says Military Coup under way.

He will not be pleased.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 03, 2013 08:42 AM (codCi)

371 "I would pay a 10 percent premium for a lane that wouldn't hang me up behind six special needs customers." Yeah. I got stuck behind someone trying to use WIC once and I felt so sorry for both her and the cashier trying to figure out what was covered and what wasn't. At least she was polite and kept apologizing. Let's assume I just told the story here about the time I lost my ever loving shit on someone with 22 items in the 15 item or less lane. It doesn't actually make me look good because, serious you guys, if he'd called the cops on me I would have deserved it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 03, 2013 08:42 AM (VtjlW)

372 The times they are a'changin':

 Americans consider blacks more likely to be racist than whites and Hispanics in this country.

Thirty-seven percent (37%) of American Adults think most black Americans are racist, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Just 15% consider most white Americans racist, while 18% say the same of most Hispanic Americans.

Linked on Drudge.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 03, 2013 08:42 AM (XUKZU)

373 All Female jury.... they will try to argue that just HAVING a gun on him, means he was out looking to do bad things... Posted by: Romeo13 at July 03, 2013 11:46 AM (lZBBB) My last time on a jury, the perp was a black man and most of the jury plus the spare, were black women ( intentional by the defense, of course). The foreman was a white dude. Eleven of us called the guy guilty. One nutty broad however refused to vote, so they took her off and put in the spare. Guilty. The fun part was when the defense polled us personally. Twelve stony-faced guilties. The perp was a serious scumbag.

Posted by: baldilocks at July 03, 2013 08:42 AM (9Uq0z)

374 378 MrObvious,

It'd be a damn shame if some journalists were hurt...

a damn shame

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 08:43 AM (LRFds)

375 I've read half a dozen articles stating in essence that with orwithout a conviction in the Zimmerman trial we can all EXPECT race riots to exceed the Rodney King debacle.

Not where I live, though I worry about the city morons.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 03, 2013 08:43 AM (codCi)

376 Why is your junk touching the person you're tasing?

***

Is it a Jodi Arias pop-rocks-in-the-snatch thing?

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 03, 2013 08:44 AM (XUKZU)

377 337 I'd still rather not risk an arc to my junk. Posted by: Methos at July 03, 2013 12:23 PM (hO9ad) Why is your junk touching the person you're tasing? Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 03, 2013 12:30 PM ------------------------------------- I guess your rules for dating are different than mine.

Posted by: irright at July 03, 2013 08:44 AM (Ze8oh)

378 Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 03, 2013 12:42 PM (VtjlW) Please tell me you saw what happened in the Zimmerman farce today? *snickering*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 03, 2013 08:45 AM (da5Wo)

379 Never trust a DA's promise or an automatic pistol.

Posted by: John Dillinger at July 03, 2013 08:47 AM (XUKZU)

380 Please tell me you saw what happened in the Zimmerman farce today? *snickering* Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 03, 2013 12:45 PM (da5Wo) I read some of the stuff here and then my brain tried to claw it's way out of my skull. I just. It. And then. Skype. Book. *twitches on ground*

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 03, 2013 08:47 AM (VtjlW)

381

Wow. Zero makes Jimmy Carter look as resolute as Reagan.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 03, 2013 08:47 AM (YmPwQ)

382 My guess would be that every desirable aspect that created the niche in the first place works against it according to the ATF standard. I can see it being scored differently because it specifically has a lower score for being a .380 caliber. Stupid.

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 08:48 AM (GQ8sn)

383 I can see it being scored differently because it specifically has a lower score for being a .380 caliber. Don't forget every other category: size, weight, sights, hammer, and safeties.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at July 03, 2013 08:49 AM (V3kRK)

384 Zimmerman's unfinished course in Criminal Justice means he's guilty because RACIST.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at July 03, 2013 08:51 AM (7ObY1)

385 And here I thought Antonin Scalia was the intelligent well written one.....

The Anchoress on "Hail Satan"

http://tinyurl.com/mnmd7l4

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 03, 2013 12:40 PM (da5Wo)


Excellent article. 


Let the burning times come soon.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at July 03, 2013 08:52 AM (JeqUq)

386 It all depends on the women...I submit that a jury made up of AtC, Miss Marple, Heather Radish, Jane D'oh, and a veritable plethora of 'ettes, including moi, would be a very different critter than a jury made up of Laquisha, Mary Cloggenstein, etc. You never know which sweet little old lady has a Glock in that big old purse. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 03, 2013 12:10 PM (kXoT0) ::: volunteers ::: Also, old ladies are more likely to be packing than young ones, I would think (at least in the hood). They are too old to fight.

Posted by: baldilocks at July 03, 2013 08:52 AM (WFZEf)

387 Don't forget every other category: size, weight, sights, hammer, and safeties. The fact that the other calibers can be sold makes me confused. The G25/28 are identical in mechanical construction to the other models. It's the caliber that fails it. Again....stupid.

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 08:53 AM (GQ8sn)

388 Glock characterizes its pistols as "safe action" as opposed to DAO or SA, whatever that means.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 03, 2013 12:23 PM (DrWcr)


It is more of a hybrid in that a Glock trigger somewhat cocks the striker, as the conventional term, dual action, is used, as well as releases the striker.  In dual action, there is both the cocking of the hammer and the releasing the hammer for firing, whereas in single action, the only action is the release of the hammer. 


I also believe that the Glock slide also sets the striker in some sort of intermediate position (between all the way back and completely in the firing position), such that the trigger pull is not as heavy as a real DAO trigger.


The term "safe action" is a Glock marketing term that refers to the fact that the trigger has both the trigger safety and that the trigger must be pulled to fire the weapon (the actuation of the trigger to cause the striker to be cocked being necessary).


Posted by: Gang of Eight at July 03, 2013 08:55 AM (Kkt/i)

389 Off, dirty sock.

Posted by: platija de asalto now using BING and duckduckgo instead of google at July 03, 2013 08:55 AM (Kkt/i)

390 FN also has a striker fired pistol.

Posted by: EC at July 03, 2013 08:57 AM (GQ8sn)

391 Don't you love bureaucratic bullshit- To qualify for import a pistol must score 75 points based on the following system: Characteristic Points Length: for each 1/4" over 6" 1 Forged steel frame 15 Forged HTS alloy frame 20 Unloaded weight w/mag (per oz.) 1 .22 short and .25 auto 0 .22 LR and 7.65mm to .380 auto 3 9mm parabellum and over 10 Locked breech mechanism 5 Loaded chamber indicator 5 Grip safety 3 Magazine safety 5 Firing pin block or lock 10 External hammer 2 Double action 10 Drift adjustable target sight 5 Click adjustable target sight 10 Target grips 5 Target trigger 2

Posted by: RWC at July 03, 2013 09:02 AM (fWAjv)

392 Well rons, I'm gonna take my youngens to see Monster University. Have a great day

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 03, 2013 09:03 AM (XIxXP)

393 Also, old ladies are more likely to be packing than young ones, I would think (at least in the hood). They are too old to fight.

Posted by: baldilocks at July 03, 2013 12:52 PM (WFZEf)

Yes, a lot of the sweet little ladies in their beautiful hats stepping into their AME churches on Sunday--so no one gets frisky with them.



Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 03, 2013 09:04 AM (kXoT0)

394 Among the many, many disgusting aspects of the Zimmerman prosecution is the implication of the Pathologist that every punch thrown must land on your face, ergo if GZ didn't get his face repeatedly smashed it was likely only "one blow." Not the dispositive issue by any means of course, but I think that the defense missed the opportunity on cross of the Pathologist to emphasize that a person on their back, effectively fighting for their lives will try to block, squirm, etc. and that some but not all the blows will actually get through. This is important to give a better sense that, from the available evidence, you had TM sitting on George Z's chest flailing away repeatedly, and alternately trying to grapple/slam his head into the concrete. I still think that the Jury will (must) acquit if they have two brain cells among the six, but I'm also given some pause by the all female jury aspect. Likely none of the chicks on the jury have ever been hit by a grown man in anger. I'm a 3d degree blackbelt in a Kyokushin offshoot style, and I know, as do many men (and very few women) that there is no such thing as a "tussle" among grown men trying to hurt each other that doesn't end in significant injury. The "moral" of that life experience is that you absolutely should be in reasonable fear for serious injury, by definition, if you have a grown man on top of you trying to hurt you and you can't fend him off immediately.

Posted by: NYC Parent at July 03, 2013 09:19 AM (HEo6y)

395 so I reported that "kill zimmerman" facebook page to the overlords of facebook and got this reply... You reported Kill George zimmerman's photo for containing hate speech or symbols. Status This photo wasn't removed Details Thank you for taking the time to report something that you feel may violate our Community Standards. Reports like yours are an important part of making Facebook a safe and welcoming environment. We reviewed the photo you reported for containing hate speech or symbols and found it doesn't violate our community standard on hate speech. Report Date Today Owner Kill George zimmerman Reason Hate speech or symbol

Posted by: spypeach at July 03, 2013 09:19 AM (0n1+D)

396 405 spypeach,

they don't even try to hide their bias...neither does facebook...


Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 03, 2013 09:22 AM (LRFds)

397 i wonder what would happen if I created a kill Ob... Oh, nevermind.

Posted by: spypeach at July 03, 2013 09:25 AM (0n1+D)

398 Posted by: spypeach at July 03, 2013 01:19 PM (0n1+D) Just did the same. Helluva group of intellectuals there.

Posted by: RWC at July 03, 2013 09:27 AM (fWAjv)

399 Court back from lunch

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 09:48 AM (7mQyC)

400 State "plans" on resting at the end of today.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 09:49 AM (7mQyC)

401 Of course the judge is busy denying another defense motion; they've had no time to take depo from Crump; judge doesn't care if they haven't had time, just like she didn't care if they had enough time before the case started.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 09:51 AM (7mQyC)

402 Judge is an asshole. She allowed the state to get away withholding evidence until the last minute. What a bitch!

Posted by: waldo at July 03, 2013 09:52 AM (hc19V)

403 She is truly an obnoxious woman.

Posted by: waldo at July 03, 2013 09:53 AM (hc19V)

404 Judge to defense translated...go fk yourself I don't care.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 09:55 AM (7mQyC)

405 She's willing to go as late to day so the state will rest their case and can jam the defense. Wonderful...

Posted by: waldo at July 03, 2013 09:55 AM (hc19V)

406 Yes another in the long list of issues for appeal.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 09:55 AM (7mQyC)

407 Is this bitch married?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 09:57 AM (7mQyC)

408 Rene Stutzman ‏@renestutzman 9m  Judge: State tells me it's gonna rest today


They got nothing.  Move for directed verdict.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 03, 2013 10:01 AM (codCi)

409 They got nothing. Move for directed verdict. Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 03, 2013 02:01 PM (codCi) From this judge?! Schyeah, right. I'm surprised she lets defense break for lunch with everyone else.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 03, 2013 10:07 AM (X6akg)

410 There is zero chance this judge will grant such.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 10:08 AM (7mQyC)

411 I'm not a lawyer and I'm sure there are legal reasons for this, but it does seem wrong that the prosecution witness (Serino I think)can be used to make various inferences about Zimmerman, but when he states that the guy seemed credible - "OH NO! That can't go on the record!" Posted by: RM at July 03, 2013 12:27 PM (/Frlf) _____________________ In real trials (not political show trials like Zimmerman's), witnesses are not supposed to offer their opinions about the defendant's or other witnesses' credibility. There are a few exceptions to this rule, but generally speaking, deciding who is credible and who is not is supposed to be the jury's job. In legalese, the testimony is improper because it "invades the province of the jury."

Posted by: Enraged Citizen at July 03, 2013 10:15 AM (/sohm)

412 garagos thinks the prosecution is intentionally throwing the trial

Posted by: Avi at July 03, 2013 10:25 AM (z9OI2)

413 OK, this DNA guy is already on my last nerve, as he drones on about nothing.

Posted by: UWP at July 03, 2013 10:33 AM (r98SZ)

414 423 - I know he's putting me to sleep, probably the jury too.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 10:33 AM (7mQyC)

415 They got nothing. Move for directed verdict. Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 03, 2013 02:01 PM (codCi) ---- Judge will direct the jury that they are to decide solely based on Precious Jeantels testimony that Zimmerman is a murderer.

Posted by: UWP at July 03, 2013 10:34 AM (r98SZ)

416 It's interesting that it is an all-woman jury, but these are not your ordinary clueless Moonbat ladies we're talking about. Here is a brief profile of the jury:

#1: Female, age 51, former real estate agent.
#2: Female, age 29, nurse, from Chicago (one year in Sanford), Hispanic.
#3: Female, 76, rental property manager, crime victim.
#4: Female, 37, stay at home wife of lawyer, both have CC permits.
#5: Female, 26, financial services, married, two children.
#6: Female, 40, “safety officer” (!), from Iowa, just moved into area, crime victim.

These are serious folks and they aren't going to be shedding any tears about the loss of poor little Traytable. Two are ID'd as crime victims (wonder about the race of the perpetrators?) and another is a CC permit holder. There is a nurse, who has probably seen it all in the ER and is Hispanic, and one of the former crime victims was a "safety officer."

I'd say GZ is going to get a quick NG verdict and the jury may recommend charges against the prosecutor and judge in the case.


Posted by: Ruthless at July 03, 2013 10:35 AM (ThQzX)

417 426 - I would think that deliberations should last about 5 minutes and then a NG verdict, but wouldn't be surprised if it was 2 weeks and a hung jury and retrials until they get the verdict they need.

Posted by: UWP at July 03, 2013 10:39 AM (r98SZ)

418 Posted by: Ruthless at July 03, 2013 02:35 PM (ThQzX) You should post that on the new thread....it's gone to a Zimmerman thread too.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 03, 2013 10:39 AM (X6akg)

419 You guys still here. I just tuned in a little bit ago.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 03, 2013 10:48 AM (jjvz+)

420 Still here

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 11:11 AM (7mQyC)

421 Arbalest@358, Warning everybody at the door that benefits cards were no good, and every three minutes over the store public address speakers, meant few SNAP users entered the store or stayed long. I went straight through the entrance fast, not lingering to hear complaints. I think most Pennsylvanians have come to understand that any state service can vanish for hours at a time. Nobody's happy, but nobody's rioting. If I had to guess, I'd bet that tech support crews got layoffs/reduced hours so that SNAP outreach staff would get enough overtime to meet enrollment quotas.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 03, 2013 11:16 AM (a5ljo)

422 Someone is already at work designing a St. Trayvon shrine for the National Mall. The sacred hoodie will be the centerpiece. I understand that the display case will allow supplicants to bathe in its healing rays. That's how Obamacare plans to reduce our health care deficit. The savings will be reinvested to bring new citizens out of the shadows with complusory Spanish lessons for the descendants of English invaders and their European mercenaries.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 03, 2013 11:40 AM (a5ljo)

423 recess..good I needed a break

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 11:42 AM (7mQyC)

424 Does anyone know why there are only 6 jurors instead of 12?  I assume it must be FL law but don't understand the rationale. 

Just strikes me as kind of unfair to the defendant; all other things even it would make it twice as easy to convict.

Posted by: Mayday at July 03, 2013 12:05 PM (eHc+1)

425 MSNBC dumped out on its promised gavel-to-gavel coverage to cover the fall of Morsi in Egypt. They’d rather highlight Obama’s Middle East policy going down the crapper than let you watch the death throes of “Justice” for Trayvon.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at July 03, 2013 12:22 PM (a5ljo)

426 434 - Just they way FL operates I'm told.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 12:29 PM (7mQyC)

427 #436 Thanks.

Posted by: Mayday at July 03, 2013 12:32 PM (eHc+1)

428 So much for running late and finishing up today.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 03, 2013 01:22 PM (7mQyC)

429 Will the governor use the National Guard?

Posted by: Goatweed at July 03, 2013 06:16 PM (8HrdX)

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