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March 31, 2014

ABCNews Poll: Suddenly, Near-Majority of Respondents... Supports Obamacare?
— Ace

ABCNews is determined to not ask about "Obamacare" -- I guess because people say they don't support the law when you call it "Obamacare" -- and so asks the question this way...

"Overall, do you support or oppose the federal law making changes to the health care system?"

What federal law making changes to the health care system? The various House efforts to repeal it, or end the individual mandate, or codify the "If you like your plan you can keep your plan" promise into law, or Obama's various extraconstitutional delays of mandates and enforcement efforts to ameliorate the pain, or...?

I'm not sure what people are thinking of when they're asked about "changes to the health care system." There's a new "change to the health care system" every week.

AllahPundit notes that ABCNews has asked the question this way before, and has found, previously, that people oppose Obamacare even when the question is worded so vaguely. So there is some movement in this poll, despite the shaky question.

But I don't know. Given all the "changes to the health care system" going on every week, I don't know if this question means what it previously might have been taken to mean.

Posted by: Ace at 02:02 PM | Comments (322)
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1 More MFM horse shit.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 31, 2014 02:03 PM (mx5oN)

2 "Do you think everyone should have healthcare or do you agree with Republicans that poor people deserve to die?"

Posted by: Daybrother at March 31, 2014 02:04 PM (8LRQO)

3 You know maybe it also helps to have a high profile politician to get out there and make the public case against obamacare and to remind the public that this is a pure democrat plan. Just saying.

Posted by: SH at March 31, 2014 02:06 PM (e8nnW)

4 Are you happy that you are required under penalty of law to buy health insurance?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 31, 2014 02:06 PM (aDwsi)

5 Polling is a great racket. We ought to be in it.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 31, 2014 02:06 PM (fWEL6)

It's ABC?

I'm thinking...bullshit.

Posted by: wheatie at March 31, 2014 02:07 PM (m7/Sn)

7 It's a trap.

Posted by: redenzo at March 31, 2014 02:07 PM (WCnJW)

8 "Do you support healthcare reform or do you kill small children and puppies?"

Posted by: Insomniac at March 31, 2014 02:07 PM (mx5oN)

9 More "grain harvests are up in the Ukraine" Stalinesque type fakery.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 31, 2014 02:08 PM (XyM/Y)

10 Funny, I was watching 24 and the black pres on the show was fretting over his healthcare bill. I always thought it strangr that the Pres was black, this was before jughead the dickless wonder.

Posted by: Rev dr e buzz healthcare at March 31, 2014 02:08 PM (sqpPM)

11 in before the trolls and spammers

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at March 31, 2014 02:08 PM (q+zA9)

12 As a lifelong Republican and gun owner, I'm grateful that President Obama (my wife and I call him "jugears") has had the courage to reform our broken health care system to make health insurance accessible to everyone.

Posted by: Diogenes Turdmuffin at March 31, 2014 02:08 PM (8ZskC)

13 I support shoving it up obama's ass.

Posted by: Anti-Commie Pug at March 31, 2014 02:08 PM (vFh9Q)

14 All is well! All is well! Remain calm!

Posted by: ABC News [/i][/s][/u][/b] at March 31, 2014 02:08 PM (yz6yg)

15 We're licking as fast as we can!

Posted by: Obama Rump Swabbers at March 31, 2014 02:08 PM (nbGZj)

16 The important thing is that the R's believe in it.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 31, 2014 02:08 PM (fWEL6)

17 RETREAT!

Posted by: John Boehner at March 31, 2014 02:08 PM (ojOys)

18 No ace not you too with the skewed polls!

Posted by: Just a Lonely Farm Animal at March 31, 2014 02:09 PM (Aif/5)

Yo!

Someone should tell ABC it is a tax,

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at March 31, 2014 02:09 PM (q+zA9)

20 It's an outlier, the type of poll Allah likes to highlight.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 31, 2014 02:09 PM (slXFW)

21 Hey AceÂ….AP has support at 26%. In a poll released today. http://tinyurl.com/lpqo4f9 That's a helluva difference.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 31, 2014 02:09 PM (GEICT)

22 We must pivot to amnesty immediately!

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at March 31, 2014 02:09 PM (ojOys)

23 >>> "Overall, do you support or oppose the federal law making changes to the health care system?"

If "making changes" includes repealing the whole darn thingÂ—and according to the vague wording it possibly couldÂ—then yes, by all means! But that is so not what they meant.

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 02:09 PM (BF+2f)

So they're back to saying..."Change is Good" again?

What about Climate Change?

So, Climate Change is good?

That's the thing about using the word "change" without identifying exactly what the 'change' is that you're referring to.

Posted by: wheatie at March 31, 2014 02:10 PM (m7/Sn)

25 One wonders if sampling was skewed or if they corrected for confounding variables (like having your plan canceled.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at March 31, 2014 02:11 PM (a8eFL)

26 Lies all the way down.

Posted by: aquaviva at March 31, 2014 02:11 PM (wFinq)

27 Seems legit.

Best to not die on this hill.

Posted by: The GOP at March 31, 2014 02:11 PM (08jH8)

I wonder how they primed that question.

also I'm not concerned with one (or more if there happen to be any) poll released following the media blitz by the WH. I suspect any movement is short lived.

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at March 31, 2014 02:12 PM (PGXA8)

29 Obamacare - the Ronan Farrow/Lena Dunham of politics.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 31, 2014 02:12 PM (ojOys)

30 That has to be one of the worst phrased questions in the history of polling.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 31, 2014 02:12 PM (slXFW)

31 1,000 people where questioned. 750 Democrats, 150 Republicans, and 100 people in the welfare line.

Posted by: redenzo at March 31, 2014 02:12 PM (WCnJW)

32 How about a poll that asks if the respondent has shopped on the ACA site for prices and plans in anticipation of losing their insurance as the law is eventually actually enforced. And if they have, were they satisfied with what was offered and why or why not. Part Two: Do they think having the government control healthcare will destroy the quality as it has everywhere else this has been tried. Part Three: Do you think we should institute a better brand of Communism in the United States since the Soviet Union didn't get it right?

Posted by: Daybrother at March 31, 2014 02:12 PM (0s20Z)

33 Honestly you can't just expect the public to hate obamacare though they do. Get out there and remind the public why they should hate it. Tell them it is so bad you will do anything to repeal it. If you can't do that maybe it isn't that bad

Posted by: SH at March 31, 2014 02:12 PM (e8nnW)

34 And WHAT a coincidence that this poll came out on the day of the supposed Obamacare deadline/sarc. Well, tomorrow is April Fools Day so there you go.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 31, 2014 02:13 PM (XyM/Y)

35 I gotta complain: there's not a lot of news today.

Posted by: ace at March 31, 2014 02:14 PM (/FnUH)

36 When you look at the internals of these alphabet-network polls, you almost always find that they are hugely oversampling Democrats.

See also the last goverment shutdown. Just such a poll came out and was held up as proof that "America overwhelmingly believes the shutdown is bad for the country, and it's all the fault of mean, greedy Republicans".

Whereas what the poll turned out to have been was proof of what the Democratic bloc in America believed about the shutdown. The sampling bias was insane. 83% liberal respondents? Something like that. In other words, not a reliable guide to what the country as a whole was thinking.

But, what the poll did do was to accomplish its intended agitprop purpose. The entire corps of Beltway Republicans immediately wet themselves in fear and ran as fast as they could to end the shutdown.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 31, 2014 02:14 PM (noWW6)

37 That has to be one of the worst phrased questions in the history of polling.

Not if the intent was to phrase it so vaguely that any response can be used to support any pre-ordained conclusion that you want.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 31, 2014 02:14 PM (8ZskC)

38 It's means, ace, that the Media now has a result that they like, and that they will relentlessly hammer conservatives with.

Posted by: Null at March 31, 2014 02:14 PM (xjpRj)

39 That's the thing about using the word "change" without identifying exactly what the 'change' is that you're referring to This. Losing a limb is change but nobody in their right mind would sign up for that.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 31, 2014 02:14 PM (mx5oN)

40 35 I gotta complain: there's not a lot of news today. -------- Dude don't let that stop you.

Posted by: Don Lemon at March 31, 2014 02:14 PM (Aif/5)

41 I gotta complain: there's not a lot of news today. Posted by: ace ---------------------- Da plane!..., da plane! Ahhh. Never mind.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 31, 2014 02:15 PM (aDwsi)

42 "Overall, do you support or oppose the federal law making changes to the health care system?"

LIV: Yes

ABC: See. SEE! They said yes. That means they like it!!!

Posted by: ABC News poll at March 31, 2014 02:15 PM (08jH8)

43 It's not my fault Mama Spammers gave me this name, you know.

Posted by: Trollzan Spammers at March 31, 2014 02:15 PM (r0yt4)

44 I gotta complain: there's not a lot of news today.

Posted by: ace at March 31, 2014 06:14 PM (/FnUH)

Obama mentioned a nuclear bomb going off in Manhattan. Maybe he knows something.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 31, 2014 02:15 PM (8ZskC)

45 Our latest poll of one hundred chickens reveals a razor thin 49%-48% preference for shitting on the left side of the coop, with 3% undecided.

Posted by: ABC News at March 31, 2014 02:15 PM (uhMMS)

46 Posted by: ace at March 31, 2014 06:14 PM (/FnUH) The media was hoping that they could spend all day talking about the enrollment surge. But the site went down again, an they can't report that.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at March 31, 2014 02:15 PM (a8eFL)

47 21 Hey AceÂ….AP has support at 26%. In a poll released today. http://tinyurl.com/lpqo4f9 That's a helluva difference. First: One out of every 20 polls is a dud. Meaning, if you do an absolutely perfect poll with perfect methods, you will be outside of the margin of error 5% of the time. So, either one of these could be a dud. Is ABC above poll-rigging? Nope. I'm reluctant to question polls after 2012 but I always was when they were internally consistent, which this one seems to be. However, I think de-coupling Obamacare from Obama is, at this point, being misleading. Frankly, if I'm asked about "the new healthcare law", I'll think they're talking about something other than Obamacare. I mean, who uses any term other than "Obamacare" now? Another thing to note in polls: Note that there's 3% undecided. No. Sorry, that doesn't happen without pushing the respondent to answer one way or another.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 31, 2014 02:15 PM (T0NGe)

48 Horse. Shit.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 31, 2014 02:16 PM (gOoFi)

49 Here's some news on a slow day: the Orioles just won their opener against the Red Sox.

Posted by: Retread at March 31, 2014 02:16 PM (cHwk5)

35 I gotta complain: there's not a lot of news today.

Posted by: ace at March 31, 2014 06:14 PM (/FnUH)

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We could play the "in my ass" game again.

Posted by: wheatie at March 31, 2014 02:17 PM (m7/Sn)

51 If you like your Obamacare, you can keep it.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 31, 2014 02:17 PM (8MjqI)

52 I gotta complain: there's not a lot of news today.

Posted by: ace at March 31, 2014 06:14 PM (/FnUH)

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Just make it up as you go, that seems the MFM's plan.

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at March 31, 2014 02:17 PM (q+zA9)

53 51 If you like your Obamacare, you can keep it. ...in my ass

Posted by: Insomniac at March 31, 2014 02:17 PM (mx5oN)

54 Good game. Caught most on online radio, a couple innings on TV. The East is a beast.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 31, 2014 02:17 PM (ZshNr)

55 38 It's means, ace, that the Media now has a result that they like, and that they will relentlessly hammer conservatives with. Posted by: Null at March 31, 2014 06:14 PM (xjpRj) Yep. Same as with voting. 10 Election 20 Count votes 30 If R wins, go to 20 40 Declare D winner

Posted by: AmishDude at March 31, 2014 02:17 PM (T0NGe)

56 Honestly you can't just expect the public to hate obamacare though they do. Posted by: SH at March 31, 2014 06:12 PM (e8nnW) You failed logic and rhetoric, right? It's OK. Lincoln was a C student and look how he turned out.

Posted by: ABC News [/i][/s][/u][/b] at March 31, 2014 02:17 PM (yz6yg)

57 Dems = Hey, someone bought something on the internet that we made them buy!!!!!!!!! Yea Us!!!

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 31, 2014 02:18 PM (igKtt)

58 You could do the story about the guy who raped his 3 year old daughter, but got out on probation because he was rich and "wouldn't do well in jail."

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 02:18 PM (hFL/3)

59 We the sheeple lead by the lemmings

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 31, 2014 02:18 PM (HVff2)

60 Well, good news is this weekend I finally figured out how long my interest in the World's Greatest Aviation Mystery lasts. 21 days. It could show up on the moon tomorrow and my reaction would be ... meh.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 31, 2014 02:18 PM (ZPrif)

61 50 Nah, that game lead one guy to conclude, somehow, that no one here cared about our military or Veterans.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 31, 2014 02:18 PM (ojnk6)

62 "changes to the health care system" in my ass.

Posted by: wheatie at March 31, 2014 02:18 PM (m7/Sn)

63 Obama's hair increasingly looking like an old rug in a smoker's apartment.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 31, 2014 02:19 PM (ZPrif)

35 I gotta complain: there's not a lot of news today.

Posted by: ace at March 31, 2014 06:14 PM (/FnUH)

May I suggest using this time then to plan April fools jokes? Maybe a post to crowd source evil tricks

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at March 31, 2014 02:19 PM (PGXA8)

65 58 You could do the story about the guy who raped his 3 year old daughter, but got out on probation because he was rich and "wouldn't do well in jail." Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 06:18 PM (hFL/3) That fucker should be flayed alive and rolled in salt.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 31, 2014 02:19 PM (mx5oN)

66 Posted by: AmishDude at March 31, 2014 06:15 PM (T0NGe) Excellent point, it's far from "new" at this juncture. It may be heavily modified by fiat, but not new.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at March 31, 2014 02:19 PM (a8eFL)

67 So just to clarify, OT but Horde related: the NY/NJ Meetup is May 1st?

I won't be able to make it, but someone on here, I think maybe BCochran?, promised they'd buy my sister a free drink if she showed up to hang with the Horde. Because of her awesomeness. Does this offer still stand?

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 02:20 PM (BF+2f)

68 there's not a lot of news today. Ray Lewis died.

Posted by: Ronan Farrow at March 31, 2014 02:20 PM (X9npt)

69 35 I gotta complain: there's not a lot of news today. Posted by: ace at March 31, 2014 06:14 PM (/FnUH) Be careful for what you wish for my ewok friend.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 31, 2014 02:20 PM (HVff2)

70 It could show up on the moon tomorrow and my reaction would be ... meh.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 31, 2014 06:18 PM (ZPrif)

The outrageous theories were sort of amusing, but even they started getting recycled after 10 days or so.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 31, 2014 02:20 PM (QFxY5)

71 These polls are full of bullshit but everyone knows that. They are gonna keep this up until they get a result that says 100% believe that sucking Obammy's ass tastes a lot like chocolate brownies with corn and are satisfied with their new and happy life! Thanks Obammy voters!

Posted by: IrishEd at March 31, 2014 02:20 PM (bfm04)

72 That fucker should be flayed alive and rolled in salt.

That would be good for the judge, what about the perp?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 31, 2014 02:20 PM (0AKks)

73 " there's not a lot of news today. Ray Lewis died." Fuck me.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 31, 2014 02:21 PM (gOoFi)

74 I won't be able to make it, but someone on here, I think maybe BCochran?, promised they'd buy my sister a free drink if she showed up to hang with the Horde. Because of her awesomeness. Does this offer still stand? Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 06:20 PM (BF+2f) Not I. I'll be at the NoVaMoMee. Maybe CBD?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 31, 2014 02:21 PM (GEICT)

75 That would be good for the judge, what about the perp?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 31, 2014 06:20 PM (0AKks)

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cut, jib, newsletter?

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at March 31, 2014 02:21 PM (q+zA9)

76 I won't be able to make it, but someone on here, I think maybe BCochran?, promised they'd buy my sister a free drink if she showed up to hang with the Horde. Because of her awesomeness. Does this offer still stand? Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 06:20 PM (BF+2f) If she shows up at NoVAMoMeeÂ….yeah. Next question. Is she hot? AskingÂ…for a friend.

Posted by: ABC News [/i][/s][/u][/b] at March 31, 2014 02:21 PM (yz6yg)

77 What changes? Yesterday's or today's or last week's changes?

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 31, 2014 02:21 PM (o3MSL)

78 48 Horse. Shit. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 31, 2014 06:16 PM (gOoFi)

You rang?

Posted by: John Kerry at March 31, 2014 02:21 PM (BF+2f)

79 Ray Bradbury is dead.

Posted by: Ronan Farrow at March 31, 2014 02:22 PM (mx5oN)

80 Next question. Is she hot?

AskingÂ…for a friend.

Posted by: ABC News at March 31, 2014 06:21 PM (yz6yg)

Because if she's hot, a lot of people will be buying her drinks.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 31, 2014 02:22 PM (o3MSL)

81 Posted by: ABC News at March 31, 2014 06:21 PM (yz6yg) Creepy sock fail

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at March 31, 2014 02:22 PM (a8eFL)

82 The latest change to the health care system was that people are allowed to keep their old health insurance, wasnÂ’t it? Hell yes, people are going to support that. Good grief, the ACA was passed just over four years ago. At some point such a vague wording will stop meaning the ACA to most people.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at March 31, 2014 02:22 PM (WX3R9)

83 cut, jib, newsletter?

Thanks! Now I know how Navin R Johnson felt when the new phone books came out.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 31, 2014 02:22 PM (0AKks)

84 Posted by: ABC News at March 31, 2014 06:21 PM (yz6yg) Bannion. Sock.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 31, 2014 02:22 PM (GEICT)

85 Because of her awesomeness. Does this offer still stand?

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 06:20 PM (BF+2f)

Exactly how awesome are we talking?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 31, 2014 02:23 PM (QFxY5)

86 But, what the poll did do was to accomplish its intended agitprop purpose. The entire corps of Beltway Republicans immediately wet themselves in fear and ran as fast as they could to end the shutdown. Posted by: torquewrench And launched yet another Liberal meme: Everytime they delay the law it should be mentioned that the Conservatives tried to delay it but Jugears shut down the government. And why are the excesses of that action ignored by the GOP in campaign ads? Park Rangers threatening tourists, Nat Park service director "can't remember" who he talked to at the WH about shutting down the Mall. Etc. Boy, when Jeb Bush is President he won't let this stuff continue.

Posted by: Daybrother is leaving society to worship SMOD at March 31, 2014 02:23 PM (hlV0p)

87 Mon Bleu(-ish)! From the sidebar, I still can't figure out who are Oakland A's fans.

Posted by: ArmChair in sin at March 31, 2014 02:23 PM (BnOvL)

88 Ray Bradbury is dead.

Sucka.

Posted by: Abe "Ray" Vigoda at March 31, 2014 02:23 PM (8ZskC)

89 >>>I gotta complain: there's not a lot of news today.
Posted by: ace at March 31, 2014 06:14 PM (/FnUH)
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We could play the "in my ass" game again.
Posted by: wheatie at March 31, 2014 06:17 PM (m7/Sn)<<<

There's not a lot of news today... in my ass.

Posted by: asking for trouble at March 31, 2014 02:23 PM (08jH8)

90 Look out, Abe....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 31, 2014 02:23 PM (gOoFi)

91 ABC Poll: Do you support or maybe not support the federal law that may or may not change or repeal the health insurance system that we have or may have had in the past?

Posted by: DangerGirl at March 31, 2014 02:24 PM (GrtrJ)

92 That fucker should be flayed alive and rolled in salt.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 31, 2014 06:19 PM (mx5oN)

Then dunked in alcohol!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 31, 2014 02:24 PM (o3MSL)

93 Raymond Burr sank in Boston Harbor today.

Posted by: Ronan Farrow at March 31, 2014 02:24 PM (X9npt)

94 I would like it noted for the record that I did not start the "in my ass" thing this time around.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 31, 2014 02:24 PM (GEICT)

95 I liked my sock! (This is what happens when you're drinking, cooking and posting. KidsÂ…don't try this at home.)

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at March 31, 2014 02:24 PM (yz6yg)

96 35 I gotta complain: there's not a lot of news today.
Posted by: ace

Check the British papers where all the important news on the US is found.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 31, 2014 02:24 PM (slXFW)

97 What is this "in my ass" game you speak of?

Posted by: Kal Penn at March 31, 2014 02:24 PM (Aif/5)

98 35 I gotta complain: there's not a lot of news today. Posted by: ace at March 31, 2014 06:14 PM (/FnUH) Hey ace, are you going to watch the new amc series Turn when it starts next Sunday? I know you had a complaint about how you thought sleepy hollow was going to spend more time in the revolutionary period. Well this entire series is set in the revolution.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 31, 2014 02:24 PM (myRkn)

99 would like it noted for the record that I did not start the "in my ass" thing this time around. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 31, 2014 06:24 PM (GEICT) THIS time.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at March 31, 2014 02:24 PM (yz6yg)

100 "Raymond Burr sank in Boston Harbor today" How horrible. For Boston Harbor.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 31, 2014 02:25 PM (gOoFi)

101 "Overall, do you support or oppose the federal law making changes to the health care system?"

Let's shorten that and see what we get:

"Overall, do you support or oppose federal law?"

Dollars to donuts you'd get a majority, probably significant too, that say, "Yes, I support Federal law." A very select few aim to be "lawless," so the nature of default responses is, "Sure. Yay law. 'Cause rules are generally good if it keeps everyone equal."

So this is easily boiled down to push polling even discounting confusion about which law applied how to the nebulous "health care law."

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 31, 2014 02:25 PM (1CroS)

102 Because if she's hot, a lot of people will be buying her drinks. Posted by: Hrothgar at March 31, 2014 06:22 PM (o3MSL) Â…and showing her their shrapnel wounds.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at March 31, 2014 02:25 PM (yz6yg)

103 What is this "in my ass" game you speak of?

I want to play

Posted by: Richard Simmons at March 31, 2014 02:25 PM (q+zA9)

104 Next question. Is she hot? AskingÂ…for a friend. Posted by: ABC News at March 31, 2014 06:21 PM (yz6yg)

Andrea Mitchell, stay away from my sis. You get one warning.

When she gets dolled up she is gorgeous, I think, otherwise she is very low key. She's in theatre behind the scenes, girl knows how to bring it when she needs to. And no you don't get pics

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 02:26 PM (BF+2f)

105 Ah figures don't lie, but those motha humping liars at ABC News can figure.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at March 31, 2014 02:26 PM (wdHk6)

106 THIS time. Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 31, 2014 06:24 PM (yz6yg) Oh, I take full credit for screwing up the thread last night. But this time it wasn't me.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 31, 2014 02:26 PM (GEICT)

107 British sniper kills six Taliban with one bullet when he hits the trigger of a suicide vest.

Posted by: The Telegraph at March 31, 2014 02:26 PM (Aif/5)

108 Ray Mancini has died.

Posted by: Ronan Farrow at March 31, 2014 02:26 PM (mx5oN)

109 " What is this "in my ass" game you speak of? " Me too.

Posted by: The Gerbil at March 31, 2014 02:26 PM (gOoFi)

110
...internally consistent, which this one seems to be.
Posted by: AmishDude

Even Wapo-Disney doesn't believe their own poll. Qoutin':

Public polls have found varying support for the health law this year, and differed on how much it has recovered from a drop-off after the troubled launch of federal and state exchanges. Both Associated Press-GfK and CBS News surveys found no recent rise in support, while the Kaiser Family Foundation's monthly tracking poll has found a three-point uptick over the same period. In all those surveys, conducted prior to the Post-ABC survey, opposition continues to significantly outpace support.

http://tinyurl.com/mkvghc6

But, they get the headline they wanted, so it becomes another one of those "facts".

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 31, 2014 02:27 PM (kdS6q)

111 /sock

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at March 31, 2014 02:27 PM (q+zA9)

112 "British sniper kills six Taliban with one bullet when he hits the trigger of a suicide vest. " Money. Shot.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 31, 2014 02:27 PM (gOoFi)

113 BREAKING NEWS : Abe Vigoda has finally died : http://tinyurl.com/klrfw8y

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 31, 2014 02:27 PM (slXFW)

114 Ray Lewis died. Huh. Yeah, story developing. Car crash. D and A involved. Of, course. Karma, bitch. Karma.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 31, 2014 02:27 PM (5ysUC)

115 I guess I should favor the 58% increase in my healthcare premiums. Thanks ABC News, I feel better now.

Posted by: Dang at March 31, 2014 02:27 PM (MNq6o)

116 Let's see: Number of passenger jets ditched by muslim pilots - 2 Number of passenger jets ditched by pilots of other faiths such as buddhist, christian, hindu, shinto, animist, voodoo, atheist, and just plain agnostic - 0

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 31, 2014 02:27 PM (8MjqI)

117 Your sister is a conservative in the theatre? That's rarer than a hens tooth. I guess she keeps it on the QT.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 31, 2014 02:27 PM (XyM/Y)

118 I just got out of a ticket by showing my boobs.

Posted by: Rodan Farrow at March 31, 2014 02:28 PM (1Y+hH)

119 What is this "in my ass" game you speak of? " Me too. Posted by: The Gerbil at March 31, 2014 06:26 PM (gOoFi) Armageddon!!!!

Posted by: Andrew "Kiki" Farnum [/i][/s][/u][/b] at March 31, 2014 02:28 PM (yz6yg)

120

94 I would like it noted for the record that I did not start the "in my ass" thing this time around.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 31, 2014 06:24 PM (GEICT)

---------

Uhh....*runs and hides*

Posted by: wheatie at March 31, 2014 02:29 PM (m7/Sn)

121 British sniper kills six Taliban with one bullet when he hits the trigger of a suicide vest.

Meh. Check to see if they were making a Dateline special.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 31, 2014 02:29 PM (8ZskC)

122 I just got out of a ticket by showing my boobs.

That never works for me.

Posted by: Ed Schultz at March 31, 2014 02:30 PM (8ZskC)

123 Guys, don't you know by now, the numbers will reflect whatever benefits the dims. When the unemployment numbers were favorable right before zippy's re-election, you had to know it's all bull$h!t! All.of.it.

I swear, I never thought our country could ever get this way. I was wrong.

Posted by: Travis McGee at March 31, 2014 02:31 PM (Ph479)

124 Sigh:

The association claims there were 21,565 brokers on Oct. 1. Nearly six months later, the industry has shed about 36 percent of its players, a loss that will hit consumers and the U.S. economy in the pocketbook, according to the association.

James Lamb, president of the Boca Raton, Fla.-based group, says the steep increases in bond costs to ensure freight delivery is just too much for a lot of small businesses to bear.

http://tinyurl.com/m7gscfo

(Fox News)

The big players support this law, as it eliminates that pesky competition. MOAR JOBS

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 31, 2014 02:31 PM (wNF3N)

125 British sniper kills six Taliban with one bullet when he hits the trigger of a suicide vest. Oh, I hope Liveleak gets a vid of this.

Posted by: Rodan Farrow at March 31, 2014 02:31 PM (1Y+hH)

126
I gotta complain: there's not a lot of news today.
Posted by: ace

Today The Federalist offed readers stories on baseball's opening day and strip clubs.

Just saying....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 31, 2014 02:31 PM (kdS6q)

127 By the way, Chris and I have decided to try to make things work. We're spending some time on Tim McGraw's private island.

Posted by: Gwyn Paltrow at March 31, 2014 02:31 PM (Aif/5)

128 Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 06:26 PM (BF+2f)

J.J. Sefton will be at the meet-up and he is, or was, involved in theater in NYC.

So they may hate the same people!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 31, 2014 02:31 PM (QFxY5)

129 The Tampa Bay Rays have all died.

Posted by: Ronan Farrow at March 31, 2014 02:31 PM (bnAKg)

130 Do you like sex? If yes, Bubba the Syphilitic Circus Clown will now sodomize you.

Posted by: ABC News at March 31, 2014 02:32 PM (MMC8r)

131 Has anyone checked on Alvino Rey lately?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 31, 2014 02:32 PM (8ZskC)

132 Oh, and about supporting ObamaCare. We're still collectively in the "acquiring insurance" phase of the program. We haven't hit the actual "care" component of it all. Who knows what it will be other than worse today than yesterday but better than tomorrow.

So we all have that going for us.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 31, 2014 02:33 PM (1CroS)

133 A Wiki entry has Abe Vigoda mistakenly reported dead in 1982 and 1987.

Posted by: Travis McGee at March 31, 2014 02:33 PM (Ph479)

134 Do you prefer fairies or pixies?

Posted by: ABC at March 31, 2014 02:34 PM (/Nxsb)

135 ABC News is full of shit. I'm willing to bet that some people who were polled considered "changes to the health care system" to be something other than what the dickheads at ABS News claim it to be.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at March 31, 2014 02:34 PM (vd7A8)

136 I'm pulling for Ray Romano here. I hope he can somehow avoid this horrible day for Rays.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 31, 2014 02:34 PM (gOoFi)

137 124 I just got out of a ticket by showing my boobs. That never works for me. Posted by: Ed Schultz at March 31, 2014 06:30 PM (8ZskC) Obvious you haven't met the right ghey officer yet

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 31, 2014 02:35 PM (HVff2)

138 I am a staunch, rush listening, fox watching, Reagan Republican and I to support some law that does something to give me free stuff.

Posted by: Mekan at March 31, 2014 02:35 PM (zG16+)

139 What bullshit.

Posted by: steevy at March 31, 2014 02:35 PM (zqvg6)

140 <<"Overall, do you support or oppose the federal law making changes to the health care system?">>

The wording of this deliberately makes it sound as though there is current legislation being considered to change Obamacare itself. Key word here is "making"...as though it is in the process.

Posted by: SGT. York at March 31, 2014 02:35 PM (41iOe)

141
Truth in advertising, polling-style.

"Do you support dorking the economy in the squeekhole without lube in order to provide a few people with health insurance and one political party with campaign research, but mostly to provide one political party with campaign research?"

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 31, 2014 02:35 PM (TIIx5)

142 Exactly how awesome are we talking? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 31, 2014 06:23 PM (QFxY5)

I think when the initial drink was offered I was sharing about how she had decided not to scam the NYC unemployment system, though pretty much everyone in NYC in theatre does. Lots of theatres go dark in the summer for a month or so, but the workers still have their contracts and keep their union benefits, still technically employed by the theatre. But the workers all file for unemployment anyway. My sis decided to live off her savings during that time, in good conscience could not bilk the system. I was sharing my sisterly pride, most would take the easy money and run. But my sis is not most.

The person offering the drink was going to help work on her; she is libertarian, hardcore fiscal and constitutional con but a social lib. They were going to make her a hard core conservative by the end of the night or something, hah. Would love to see them try! Popcorn would be needed.

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 02:36 PM (BF+2f)

143 Twitter's gonna get ugly when Billy Crystal dies.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 31, 2014 02:36 PM (VG9IS)

144

Questions that ABC didn't ask:

"Do you like paying for Coverage that you will never use?"

"Do you like having the Government in more control of your life?"

Posted by: wheatie at March 31, 2014 02:37 PM (m7/Sn)

145 >>> J.J. Sefton will be at the meet-up and he is, or was, involved in theater in NYC.

That would be awesome.

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 02:38 PM (BF+2f)

146 I'll have what he's having.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 31, 2014 02:39 PM (8MjqI)

147 ABC doesn't want an answer. It wants the "right" answer.

Consultants make themselves rich designing such stuff.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 31, 2014 02:39 PM (1CroS)

148 Obamacare - rick grimes America - joe

Posted by: Buzzion at March 31, 2014 02:40 PM (z/Ubi)

149 Fucking bullshit. An outlier for outrageous liars. Let them get false comfort from this. Let them cozy up to the poll to help them sleep. They are in for rude awakening come November.

Posted by: Naes1984 at March 31, 2014 02:40 PM (LiHKo)

150 OK haven't seen anything on Ray Lewis.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 31, 2014 02:40 PM (igKtt)

151 The person offering the drink was going to help work on her; she is libertarian, hardcore fiscal and constitutional con but a social lib. They were going to make her a hard core conservative by the end of the night or something, hah. Would love to see them try! Popcorn would be needed. Posted by: LizLem She sounds awesome. I'd like to get her drunk and marry her but I'm probably 6 times her age and I'm leaving society to become an eccentric prepper.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 31, 2014 02:40 PM (cW876)

152 I thought that it was Radar O'Reilly who died...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 31, 2014 02:41 PM (HsTG8)

153 @153 Running gag

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 31, 2014 02:41 PM (gOoFi)

154 The person offering the drink was going to help work on her; she is libertarian, hardcore fiscal and constitutional con but a social lib.

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 06:36 PM (BF+2f)

Well, I don't recall whether it was I who offered, but I will definitely buy her a drink, although as for converting her, it seems like she is well on her way.

Give De Blasio another year or so and she will be starting her own John Birch Society chapter.

[have her e-mail nynjmeet at optimum dot net ]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 31, 2014 02:42 PM (QFxY5)

155 "Do you agree with, or disagree that, changes are afoot in the manner through which health care insurance payments are recompensed?" "Uh -- what??" "So, I take that as a yes, then?"

Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2014 02:42 PM (mizYg)

156 Ray Lewis Dies In Car Crash

http://tinyurl.com/kbphd33

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 31, 2014 02:42 PM (slXFW)

157 I'll bet there are still enormous numbers of people who don't realize there's a penalty for not getting the insurance.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 31, 2014 02:43 PM (oFCZn)

158 151 -

No, that's too quick. America is more like Carl's "friend" to Obamacare's Rick.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2014 02:43 PM (BeSEI)

159 Do you support healthcare? Uhhhh....yes. It's a win for team Obama.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 31, 2014 02:44 PM (XyM/Y)

160 I'm leaving society to become an eccentric prepper. Posted by: Daybrother at March 31, 2014 06:40 PM (cW876)

Just don't move to Florida; apparently living off the grid is illegal. I missed seeing that in the constitution but there you go. Come out West, you can disappear into the mountains and no one will know. And prepping is a Utah institution; we have whole businesses devoted to it!

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 02:44 PM (BF+2f)

161 I like my Obamacare gruel so very, very much. Please, sir, I want some more!

Posted by: Oliver Twist, low information poll taker at March 31, 2014 02:44 PM (9eDbm)

162 159 -

Is that the same site that claimed Tom Hanks fell off a cliff a couple months ago?

Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2014 02:44 PM (BeSEI)

163 Ah I C.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 31, 2014 02:44 PM (igKtt)

164 Posted by: Minnfidel at March 31, 2014 06:40 PM (igKtt) Someone is riffing on Ronan Farrow having posted the wrong picture today when he announced that Ray Hutchison, husband of KBH, died.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 31, 2014 02:45 PM (HsTG8)

165

Thats OK.
I like it when the MSFM creates a echo chamber and produces polls that are complete BS. Then the Dems will run on the premise that they are set to an easy walk over election. We all know what happens when any politician gets confident of an easy win.
They run their mouth.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at March 31, 2014 02:45 PM (xcAaF)

166 Overall, do you support the federal law making changes to the health care system?" **** Typical poll response: Absolutely yes. Anything is better than this Obamacare crap.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2014 02:45 PM (g4TxM)

167 "Do you agree that 'push polls' designed to sway public opinion rather than measure it are an effective way to influence stupid voters such as yourself?" "Uh -- what??" "So, I take that as a yes, then?"

Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2014 02:45 PM (mizYg)

168 Perfect, Zombie.

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 02:46 PM (hFL/3)

169 The picture shown was Ray LaHood. So Ronan's getting punched in the dick all afternoon about it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 31, 2014 02:46 PM (gOoFi)

170 BREAKING NEWS... I'm dying of AIDS.

Posted by: Ronan Farrow at March 31, 2014 02:46 PM (oFCZn)

171 Oliver Twist, low information poll taker: "I like my Obamacare gruel so very, very much. Please, sir, I want some more!"

The gruel is awful! And the portions too small!

Posted by: Woody Allen at March 31, 2014 02:47 PM (1CroS)

172 You know what sucks? That you can't buy a new house and get your own damn mail box anymore. I really hate the community mail box thing. Also, Obama.

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 02:47 PM (hFL/3)

173 I don't ever answer polls. My friends don't ever answer polls. My family don't ever answer polls. I suspect there's a substantial amount of horseshit involved, even above and beyond the whole "let's massage the question and subtract the context and publish what our backers want" sense. People say polls aren't that far off vote results... heh, you trust the vote tallies, huh? Gerrymandered, recounted until they win, votes-in-the-trunk tallies? What really pisses me off is how easily distracted those who actually have the resources to challenge things are - that last "Oust Allen West" election was *dirty as night soil* and the people investigating it (True the Vote) got *CRUSHED* by government harassment. The revolution is already underway, most people just have no idea.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 31, 2014 02:48 PM (qyfb5)

174 "Quick, say the first thing that comes into your head -- you have five seconds: Do you choose health -- or death? Quick! No thinking!" "Health?" "Excellent."

Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2014 02:48 PM (mizYg)

175 173 BREAKING NEWS... I'm dying of AIDS. Posted by: Ronan Farrow at March 31, 2014 06:46 PM (oFCZn)

No no sweetie, you have AIDES. Yes, that is a very different thing. Yes, thinking IS hard! I know, right? Here, put on these jammies and I will go make you some cocoa.

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 02:49 PM (BF+2f)

176 Posted by: LizLem --------- No Florida, I'm absolutely done dealing with Hurricanes. I'm looking at property in the Rockies now and Central America as backup.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 31, 2014 02:49 PM (yD3P6)

177

All of this begs the question: is it possible to defeat the Democratic Party's narrative if most major media outlets of all types are actively supporting and promoting that narrative?

Take Wendy Davis and the abortion issue, for example, where that opportunistic witch in her little red designer shoes was portrayed as a hero for women's rights by the MSM while simultaneously obscuring the content of the legislation she was filibustering against; i.e., legislation drafted in response to the Gosnell case in Pennsylvania that would've made abortion clinics in Texas subject to more stringent safety and hygiene standards. (Of course, it should be pointed out that most major MSM outlets never bothered to cover the Gosnell story in the first place.)

MSM bias is real. Propaganda does work. So how does one reach the public if avenues for expresssion are (largely) blocked?

That's the central problem. If we solve that, we can beat these people every time, everywhere.

Posted by: troyriser at March 31, 2014 02:49 PM (2jF2B)

178 And prepping is a Utah institution; we have whole businesses devoted to it!

And the LDS Church has been telling members to do emergency food storage since at least 1875.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 31, 2014 02:50 PM (2hTlI)

179 I can't get over Ronan losing out to reruns of Golden Girls. Can't make this stuff up. Feel good story of the day.

Posted by: Naes1984 at March 31, 2014 02:52 PM (LiHKo)

180

175 You know what sucks?

That you can't buy a new house and get your own damn mail box anymore.

I really hate the community mail box thing.

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 06:47 PM (hFL/3)

----------

What?

Okay...what did I miss.

We have mailboxes here in OK...has there been some new bullshit law passed about mailboxes.

Posted by: wheatie at March 31, 2014 02:52 PM (m7/Sn)

181 Absolutely yes. Anything is better than this Obamacare crap. --------- Thread winner. No doubt in my mind this was the actual response.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 31, 2014 02:52 PM (Od8l0)

182 You know what sucks?
That you can't buy a new house and get your own damn mail box anymore.
I really hate the community mail box thing. Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 06:47 PM (hFL/3)
Must be a regional thing.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 31, 2014 02:53 PM (/Nxsb)

183 Oh, also re: sidebar Common Core advocating stripping the Constitution; I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO. But I'm too fringe because I say you can't trust governments with that kind of power.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 31, 2014 02:53 PM (qyfb5)

184 That's nothing: we starting prepping our food supplies (with Uncle Jake) in 1846!

Posted by: Donner, Party of Two! Donner, Party of Two!™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 31, 2014 02:54 PM (HsTG8)

185 Wheatie: http://tinyurl.com/ll9jjob

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 02:54 PM (hFL/3)

186
No Florida, I'm absolutely done dealing with Hurricanes. I'm looking at property in the Rockies now and Central America as backup.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 31, 2014 06:49 PM (yD3P6)

So, mudslides, snow avalanches, volcanoes, dysentery and barefoot dictators with fabulous uniforms?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 31, 2014 02:54 PM (TIIx5)

187 What is the penalty for not having insurance? Isn't it like 1% of your income or some minimum?

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 31, 2014 02:55 PM (slXFW)

188 177 "Quick, say the first thing that comes into your head -- you have five seconds: Do you choose health -- or death? Quick! No thinking!"

"Health?"

"Excellent."

Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2014 06:48 PM (mizYg)

"Death please...no no, health!"

"You said death first! ah ah, you said death first!"

"Well I MEANT health!"

"Oh all right. You're lucky we're Obamacare. Next!"

"Health please."

"We're out of health! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"

"So my choice is...'or death'? "

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 02:55 PM (BF+2f)

189 Guys, we should just listen to our betters in the media. They know stuff:

@ErikWemple: Tom Foreman on @CNN just turned out the lights in the studio to demonstrate how dark it is at bottom of ocean.Â”

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 31, 2014 02:55 PM (VG9IS)

190 Oh, also re: sidebar Common Core advocating stripping the Constitution; I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO. But I'm too fringe because I say you can't trust governments with that kind of power. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith Don't worry. When Jeb Bush is President this sort of thing will be addressed.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 31, 2014 02:56 PM (xXvOa)

191 1p1 For this year, $95 or 1% of your income, whichever is greater.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 31, 2014 02:56 PM (ojnk6)

192 Don't worry. When Jeb Bush is President this sort of thing will be addressed. Posted by: Daybrother at March 31, 2014 06:56 PM (xXvOa) fnord (xXvOa) You misspelled "mandated."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 31, 2014 02:57 PM (qyfb5)

193
Guys, we should just listen to our betters in the media. They know stuff:

@ErikWemple: Tom Foreman on @CNN just turned out the lights in the studio to demonstrate how dark it is at bottom of ocean.Â”

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 31, 2014 06:55 PM (VG9IS)

Always knew CNN was a piece of whale shit.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 31, 2014 02:57 PM (TIIx5)

194 Death?

Or bunga bunga?

Posted by: ABC News Polling Division at March 31, 2014 02:58 PM (8ZskC)

195 If $95 is more than one percent of your income you should consider another profession.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2014 02:58 PM (g4TxM)

196 Jesus, Common Core ads running on Fox now. Who's next, Limbaugh?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 31, 2014 02:58 PM (ojnk6)

197 Always knew CNN was a piece of whale shit. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 31, 2014 06:57 PM That's an insult to Whales...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at March 31, 2014 02:58 PM (9+ccr)

198 191 What is the penalty for not having insurance? Isn't it like 1% of your income or some minimum? Posted by: Dr Spank at March 31, 2014 06:55 PM (slXFW) It's $95 this year but by 2016 it'll be $700 or something. People are not going to pay this shit. Maybe the $95 but $700 or more? No.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 31, 2014 02:59 PM (oFCZn)

199 199 Death?

Or bunga bunga?

Posted by: ABC News Polling Division at March 31, 2014 06:58 PM (8ZskC)

Death by bunga bunga.

Posted by: flounder at March 31, 2014 02:59 PM (Kkt/i)

200 Ray Lewis Dies In Car Crash

He must have stabbed the brakes too hard.

Too soon?

Posted by: phreshone at March 31, 2014 02:59 PM (kFxpe)

201 It's even better. Jebbie Bushie, the GOPe's favorite, said that opponents of Common Core were more interested in protecting their children's self-esteem than in having them learn. Oh, and illegal immigrants are bigger risk takers than those who don't immigrate illegally. Story at The Blaze today...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 31, 2014 02:59 PM (HsTG8)

202 200 If $95 is more than one percent of your income you should consider another profession. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2014 06:58 PM (g4TxM) Not if you want to pay as little as possible for Obamacare!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 31, 2014 02:59 PM (oFCZn)

203 So, mudslides, snow avalanches, volcanoes, dysentery and barefoot dictators with fabulous uniforms? Posted by: IllTemperedCur ---------- Not where I'm looking. But then, what do you have against fabulous uniforms?

Posted by: Daybrother at March 31, 2014 02:59 PM (aL1qE)

204 What is the penalty for not having insurance? Isn't it like 1% of your income or some minimum?

Think of that as the camel's nose. That's all that's in the tent, right? Not bothersome at all. There's no reason to be upset.

Heh.

Posted by: Kathleen Sebelius at March 31, 2014 03:00 PM (8ZskC)

205 That's an insult to Whales...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at March 31, 2014 06:58 PM (9+ccr)

Indeed, whale crap helps the ocean ecosystems. CNN has no detectable earthly benefit whatsoever.

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 03:00 PM (BF+2f)

206 Chics dig uniforms.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 31, 2014 03:00 PM (HU6NV)

207 Jebbie Bushie Jeb makes GW Bush look like an ultra-conservative...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at March 31, 2014 03:00 PM (9+ccr)

208

189 Wheatie:

http://tinyurl.com/ll9jjob

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 06:54 PM (hFL/3)

-----------

What hellish torment is this!?

From the link:

"Representative Darrell Issa, a California Republican who has spearheaded Postal Service reforms, has introduced a bill that would also require cluster boxes for existing residences with an exemption for people with disabilities. "

And Darrell fucking Issa introduced this bill?

Arrrrgh!

Thanks, Lauren.

I vaguely remember hearing about this last summer...but didn't know they were going through with it.

Posted by: wheatie at March 31, 2014 03:00 PM (m7/Sn)

209 206 The GOP will free up an hour for me in November 2016 if they run Jebbie.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 31, 2014 03:01 PM (ojnk6)

210 Posted by: Seamus Muldoon

You obviously don't do your own taxes.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 31, 2014 03:01 PM (slXFW)

211 Common Core Question submitted by Jeb Bush:

If I amnesty eleven million illegal immigrants and then amnesty three times that by including extended family, how many racists and bigots will oppose me?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 31, 2014 03:01 PM (1CroS)

212 208 So, mudslides, snow avalanches, volcanoes, dysentery and barefoot dictators with fabulous uniforms?
Posted by: IllTemperedCur

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Not where I'm looking. But then, what do you have against fabulous uniforms? Posted by: Daybrother at March 31, 2014 06:59 PM (aL1qE)

Wait wait, Alextopia now has parcels of land for sale? Why did no one tell me?! *rushes to dig up coffee can of money in the backyard*

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 03:02 PM (BF+2f)

213 The GOP will free up an hour for me in November 2016 if they run Jebbie.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 31, 2014 07:01 PM (ojnk6)

Sheesh. You haven't even given me a chance to dazzle you with my famous "conservative impression."

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at March 31, 2014 03:03 PM (8ZskC)

214
Not where I'm looking. But then, what do you have against fabulous uniforms?

Posted by: Daybrother at March 31, 2014 06:59 PM (aL1qE)

Good point. Anti-communist dictators always have nice uniforms. The only thing distinguishing commie uniforms from gulag prisoner uniforms is the slightly more frequent laundry.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 31, 2014 03:03 PM (TIIx5)

215 Maybe the USPS should just put all the mail for a given zip code in a big dumpster and let the customers come find their own. That would save money.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2014 03:03 PM (g4TxM)

216 "I vaguely remember hearing about this last summer...but didn't know they were going through with it. " I don't know if they actually made it a law or not, but around here all the developers act like it's a law anyway. I think the city may get to decide? I don't know. All I know is that I really hate having to cross the street to check my mail.

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 03:03 PM (hFL/3)

217 204 199 Death? Or bunga bunga? Posted by: ABC News Polling Division at March 31, 2014 06:58 PM (8ZskC) Death by bunga bunga. ----------- But first....

Posted by: The Aristocrats at March 31, 2014 03:04 PM (Aif/5)

218 Common Core is at its core the permanent professionalized central education bureaucracy saying "give us more power and control," which is what every central bureaucracy always says, and they always do the exact same thing with it: screw you over. They have, of course, been doing the same thing under different titles for decades. Because Short Attentions Span Theater.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 31, 2014 03:04 PM (qyfb5)

219 1% of your income was the first income tax rate. Temporary tax of course. Wonder what ever happened to it?

Posted by: Daybrother at March 31, 2014 03:04 PM (bJe+C)

220 1% of your income was the first income tax rate. Temporary tax of course. Wonder what ever happened to it?

Bloody cynic.

Posted by: Kathleen Sebelius at March 31, 2014 03:05 PM (8ZskC)

221 Shh, Seamus! Don't give them any ideas!

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 03:05 PM (hFL/3)

222 220 Maybe the USPS should just put all the mail for a given zip code in a big dumpster and let the customers come find their own. That would save money. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2014 07:03 PM (g4TxM) There goes our profits!

Posted by: Dumpster Gnomes [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 31, 2014 03:05 PM (HsTG8)

223 I don't know if they actually made it a law or not, but around here all the developers act like it's a law anyway. I think the city may get to decide? I don't know. All I know is that I really hate having to cross the street to check my mail. Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 07:03 PM (hFL/3) The neighbors in my circle banded together and wanted us all to get one of those. The location meant that I would need to walk halfway down the circle and back in the middle of winter over snow and ice. My neighbor immediately next door and I refrained from joining there little plan which meant all of them had to pay more for it. Heh.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 31, 2014 03:06 PM (oFCZn)

224 This poll looks to me like the Gospels.

Posted by: Dan Rather at March 31, 2014 03:06 PM (pmsMR)

225 Do you support continued presence of healthcare in the United States?

//Abc Poleing

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2014 03:08 PM (TE35l)

226 "Jesus, Common Core ads running on Fox now."

What, government ads talking about how great CC is?

Or ads from the firms that are pocketing tons of money from CC materials?

Posted by: torquewrench at March 31, 2014 03:08 PM (noWW6)

227 I don't know if they actually made it a law or not, but around here all the developers act like it's a law anyway. Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 07:03 PM (hFL/3) fnord (hFL/3) The USPS pitches a fit if you build a new neighborhood with individual mailboxes. The USPS is driving this. They're threatening to stop deliveries if they don't get their cluster**** I mean cluster boxes. They say "It allows for more efficient delivery," it actually means I have someone else's mail in my mailbox damn near every time I pick it up, and I'm always missing 1-2 bills a month at least.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 31, 2014 03:09 PM (qyfb5)

228

Common Core seems like a way to discriminate against Homeschooling.

They are creating a new 'language'....a language that kids in public schools are being forced to learn.

This new 'language' will be used in the college entrance exams, like SATs, right?

So...homeschooled kids will have to learn this new bullshit language in order to get into college.

Posted by: wheatie at March 31, 2014 03:09 PM (m7/Sn)

229 The neighbors in my circle banded together and wanted us all to get one of those. The location meant that I would need to walk halfway down the circle and back in the middle of winter over snow and ice. My neighbor immediately next door and I refrained from joining there little plan which meant all of them had to pay more for it. Heh. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 31, 2014 07:06 PM (oFCZn)

After the government, my homeowner association is the bane of my life. Where people too ugly and stupid to go into politics converge to rule...

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 03:09 PM (BF+2f)

230 Even after the public prostate probe he got from Putin, multiple times, and with the website down - again - SCOAMT demonstrates how a true narcissistic asshole maintains his narcissistic asshole form:

http://tinyurl.com/m6p49us

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 31, 2014 03:09 PM (BZAd3)

231 Krebs vs Carnot: "Oh, and illegal immigrants are bigger risk takers than those who don't immigrate illegally."

Well, hell. By that Bush logic, you know who takes even bigger risks than that? Illegal immigrants who commit both misdemeanor and felony crimes.

So let's invite the most heinous criminals first! They take the risks that law-abiding American citizens and hopeful citizens won't!

What an idiot.

I'm not voting for any Bush ever, for the rest of my life, even if s/he walks on water, upside-down, backwards, and carrying fish for the masses.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 31, 2014 03:09 PM (1CroS)

232 Most potential respondents are products of the Education Ministry.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 31, 2014 03:10 PM (bitz6)

233 1% of your income was the first income tax rate. Temporary tax of course. Wonder what ever happened to it?

If I remember right they actually mailed everyone a personal guarantee the Federal Income Tax would never go above 1%.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 31, 2014 03:10 PM (J79eW)

234

Posted by: bonhomme at March 31, 2014 07:10 PM (J79eW)

If you like your 1% you can keep your 1%...the more things change the more they stay the same.

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 03:11 PM (BF+2f)

235 In the beach community where we have a place, about one-third of the residents live there full time and they have managed to secure all seats on the community board. They have made a proposal that all residences in the neighborhood must have a mailbox and it will be some monolithic mailbox wall. Naturally, they expected everyone to pay for it. "Go pound sand!" was the overwhelming response.

Posted by: Dumpster Gnomes [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 31, 2014 03:11 PM (HsTG8)

236 230 The CC ad sends you the website of the group that is trying to monopolize text book printing. So, that second thing.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 31, 2014 03:12 PM (ojnk6)

237 You know it would actually be a brilliant GOP strategy to talk up Jeb Bush for prez in 2016 so that we'd see more Dems questioning whether they really want Clinton as their nominee. I've seen a number of articles talking anti-dynasty, we don't need no more Bushes or Clintons, etc.

The obvious problem with with this strategy, well, you can guess.

Posted by: jeannebodine at March 31, 2014 03:12 PM (2LJqa)

238 The Spanish American War Tax on Telephones ended in 2006.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 31, 2014 03:12 PM (bitz6)

239 They have, of course, been doing the same thing under different titles for decades.

Because Short Attentions Span Theater.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 31, 2014 07:04 PM (qyfb5)

It begins, and sets the stage for permanent political indoctrination of the children of this country. There are some VERY bad things included in common core.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 31, 2014 03:12 PM (BZAd3)

240 OT: Never Rap Battle the New Kid (probably NSFW)

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/83967248/

Posted by: flounder at March 31, 2014 03:12 PM (Kkt/i)

241 >>I just got out of a ticket by showing my boobs. That never works for me. Posted by: Ed Schultz That's because yours are so saggy.

Posted by: Aviator at March 31, 2014 03:12 PM (3rrMW)

242 "This new 'language' will be used in the college entrance exams, like SATs, right? So...homeschooled kids will have to learn this new bullshit language in order to get into college." Yep. That's why we buy test prep materials every year to make sure we're aware of what weird language shenanigans they've got going on. Actually though, a disturbing amount of home school curriculum is CC compliant. One of our language arts books was CC mess. It lasted about 2 weeks before I decided to trash it because it was so ridiculous. Of course, the ability to throw away crap is a benefit to home schooling...

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 03:13 PM (hFL/3)

243 They have made a proposal that all residences in the neighborhood must have a mailbox and it will be some monolithic mailbox wall. Naturally, they expected everyone to pay for it. Posted by: Dumpster Gnomes at March 31, 2014 07:11 PM (HsTG8 So jwest is your HOA President?

Posted by: Andrew at March 31, 2014 03:13 PM (yz6yg)

244 Heard somewhere they were pushing them through the site by the hundreds of thousands.

Posted by: RWC at March 31, 2014 03:13 PM (QeH9j)

245 Begone, diminutive sock!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 31, 2014 03:13 PM (HsTG8)

246 When you signed up for Obamacare, would you characterize your experience as "easy-peasy" or not "easy-peasy?"

Posted by: Fritz at March 31, 2014 03:13 PM (oJUxt)

247 That's because yours are so saggy.

Posted by: Aviator at March 31, 2014 07:12 PM (3rrMW)

And there should only be two.

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 03:14 PM (BF+2f)

248 If I remember right they actually mailed everyone a personal guarantee the Federal Income Tax would never go above 1%. Posted by: bonhomme at March 31, 2014 07:10 PM (J79eW) "We don't need more in taxes from you!" *economic downturn* "We need higher taxes!"

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 31, 2014 03:14 PM (oFCZn)

249 Overall, do you support the federal health care law, or electing Hitler's Brain the next president?

Well looks like a slight plurality for Obamacare, suck it wingnuts.

Posted by: ABC News at March 31, 2014 03:14 PM (3a584)

250 Do you support Obamacare or are you a racist?

Posted by: Sphynx at March 31, 2014 03:15 PM (OZmbA)

251 Here we go. WASHINGTON (AP) Â— In a flood of last-minute sign-ups, hundreds of thousands of Americans rushed to apply for health insurance Monday, but deadline day for President Barack Obama's overhaul brought long, frustrating waits and a new spate of website ills.

Posted by: RWC at March 31, 2014 03:15 PM (QeH9j)

252 The Telecom Tax of 1898 ended in 2006.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 31, 2014 03:16 PM (bitz6)

253 I'm not dead yet!

Posted by: Rae Dawn Chong at March 31, 2014 03:16 PM (I7KK9)

254 "We need higher taxes!"

No, it's "We need to invest in firefighters and schools."

Followed by, "We had to put those monies into the General Fund."

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 31, 2014 03:16 PM (J79eW)

255 "After the government, my homeowner association is the bane of my life. Where people too ugly and stupid to go into politics converge to rule..." Hey, we told you that your grass could not be more that 3 inches tall, and we measured and yours was 3.21 inches. You have only yourself to blame!

Posted by: Petty, Tyrannical HOA at March 31, 2014 03:16 PM (hFL/3)

256 "All I know is that I really hate having to cross the street to check my mail."

It's a security risk issue too, in bad areas at night.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 31, 2014 03:16 PM (noWW6)

257 Lauren, you are making the points I made on the Ont as well, common core does have the power to affect both private schools and home schoolers because textbooks and curriculum is becoming common core aligned. And the SAT is as well.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 31, 2014 03:18 PM (RZ8pf)

258 "It's a security risk issue too, in bad areas at night." Yep. I think of that every time I go out, even though we live in a safe neighborhood.

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 03:19 PM (hFL/3)

259 Finally, some good news.

Posted by: White House Office of the Clusterfukc at March 31, 2014 03:19 PM (dvRYt)

260 Of course, the ability to throw away crap is a benefit to home schooling... Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 07:13 PM (hFL/3) fnord (hFL/3) Crap that you paid for.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 31, 2014 03:20 PM (qyfb5)

261 My County just voted to impose a 4 percent meals tax on themselves. If you tell an idiot that mostly tourists will pay the tax they will vote for it. Odds are you will wreck your car within 5 miles of home. Same goes with eating out.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 31, 2014 03:20 PM (bitz6)

262

246...Of course, the ability to throw away crap is a benefit to home schooling...

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 07:13 PM (hFL/3)

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Well, bless you for homeschooling your little ones, Lauren.

We're lucky...our kids are grown.

But they will be facing this rotten Common Core shit with their own kids.

Posted by: wheatie at March 31, 2014 03:20 PM (m7/Sn)

263 My dog can lay bigger turds than yours. Don't believe me? Look where he just crapped on your yard.

Posted by: H Simpson at March 31, 2014 03:20 PM (l0lja)

264 1% of your income was the first income tax rate. Temporary tax of course. Wonder what ever happened to it? If I remember right they actually mailed everyone a personal guarantee the Federal Income Tax would never go above 1%. Posted by: bonhomme Someone should ask Vic.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 31, 2014 03:20 PM (kLI8W)

265 "All I know is that I really hate having to cross the street to check my mail."

Yeah, we do, too. But it's kind of a one stop shop, so there is that.

Posted by: Identity Thief at March 31, 2014 03:20 PM (Kkt/i)

266 It's not Common Core -- it's Commie Core.

Posted by: Anti-Commie Pug at March 31, 2014 03:21 PM (vFh9Q)

267 Hey, we told you that your grass could not be more that 3 inches tall, and we measured and yours was 3.21 inches. You have only yourself to blame!

Posted by: Petty, Tyrannical HOA at March 31, 2014 07:16 PM (hFL/3)

Hah. We have a gardening company that does that for our apartments, thank heavens. But I had to have my potting shed table categorized as a barbecue grill in order to be found compliant for things we are allowed to have in our backyard. And they do yearly inspections to make sure we are all in compliance.

Did I mention how much I hate my homeowner's assoc?

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2014 03:22 PM (BF+2f)

268 The Craft International Death Squads rarely target homeschoolers.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 31, 2014 03:22 PM (bitz6)

269 A Basket Case

Posted by: Killerdog at March 31, 2014 03:22 PM (ld2OA)

270 "Crap that you paid for." True. We also get to pay for the local school we don't use. It's just awash in win.

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 03:22 PM (hFL/3)

271 The lie has become the truth and the truth has become the lie. Good enough for us.

Posted by: ABCNews at March 31, 2014 03:22 PM (Dwehj)

272 Hey, Pennsylvanians are still paying the Johnstown Flood tax 70+ years later. Yaaaay government!

Posted by: DangerGirl at March 31, 2014 03:23 PM (GrtrJ)

273 I might be dead, I don't know. But you can call me Raymond or you can call me Ray, or you can call me Ray J., etc., etc.

Posted by: Raymond J. Johnson at March 31, 2014 03:23 PM (n+8FE)

274 256 The Telecom Tax of 1898 ended in 2006. Posted by: Boss Moss You keep calling but I'm not answering.

Posted by: SMOD at March 31, 2014 03:24 PM (Skg2E)

275 "...So what do you want?""So my choice is...'or death'? " That reminds me of the death or chi chi joke that Bill Kirchenbauer told at a comedy show I saw close to thirty years ago.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at March 31, 2014 03:24 PM (vd7A8)

276 Thanks, Wheatie. We didn't intend to homeschool, but after a truly disastrous kindergarten year with our oldest we realized we had no other choice. LizLem, Damn, that HOA does sound awful. Ours isn't really too bad. We can do what we want in our back yards as long as it's not visible from the street.

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2014 03:25 PM (hFL/3)

277 My County just voted to impose a 4 percent meals tax on themselves. Posted by: Boss Moss at March 31, 2014 07:20 PM (bitz6) fnord (bitz6) Yeah, lemme just see where in the Constitution that's authorized. A proper audit of governing authority would put most government at most levels out of business. Meal tax, for cryin' out loud.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 31, 2014 03:25 PM (qyfb5)

278 But you can call me Raymond or you can call me Ray, or you can call me Ray J., etc., etc. "But you don't have to call me Johnson!"

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at March 31, 2014 03:25 PM (vd7A8)

279 A homeowners association in my rural area would find all their petty tyrants dangling from limbs if they tried that shit.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at March 31, 2014 03:26 PM (n+8FE)

280 Boss Moss: "If you tell an idiot that mostly tourists will pay the tax..."

Ahhh. The ol' "tourist destination" gambit. It's right up there with "economic ripple effect of sports arenas".

Every town wants every other towns' tourists, so everyone's taxes go up. Good, sound, plan for the embiggening Idiocracy. You know what actually draws tourists? Value... which is to say affordable features/fun.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 31, 2014 03:26 PM (1CroS)

281 Waiting for the clothes tax. Why not? You're paying a tax every year on your car. Planning on wearing those jeans for another year? Hand over some money plebe.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 31, 2014 03:26 PM (oFCZn)

282 If I remember right they actually mailed everyone a personal guarantee the Federal Income Tax would never go above 1%.
Posted by: bonhomme
---------
Someone should ask Vic.

Vic may have standing to sue.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 31, 2014 03:27 PM (8ZskC)

283 In addition to the federal gift of health insurance for all*, you will be glad to learn that you generously gave a camel statue to Pokeestan. $400 thousand dollar camel statue. Cheap at twice the price, wouldn't you agree?

*Insurance for all should not be construed as actual health care. Who knows, you could get lucky.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 31, 2014 03:27 PM (BZAd3)

284 TONIGHT on RONAN FARROW: Radon the Silent Killer.

Posted by: Ronan Farrow at March 31, 2014 03:28 PM (I7KK9)

285 Cicero (@cicero): "Vic may have standing to sue."

Good one. A citizen with standing. I need to write that one down.

Posted by: The Roberts Court at March 31, 2014 03:30 PM (1CroS)

286 288 TONIGHT on RONAN FARROW:

Radon the Silent Killer.

Posted by: Ronan Farrow at March 31, 2014 07:28 PM (I7KK9)

Oooh! Will there be people defecating in people's mouths?

Posted by: Martin Bashir at March 31, 2014 03:30 PM (Kkt/i)

287 Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 31, 2014 07:26 PM (1CroS)

My town (NYC suburb) has a lot of finance people living here and we got smacked pretty hard by the financial meltdown in 2008.

I counted about 20 empty storefronts.....

The solution?

Double the parking meter rate, and increase sewage fees for businesses.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 31, 2014 03:31 PM (QFxY5)

288 Pants tax. First they came for the pants wearers.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 31, 2014 03:31 PM (bitz6)

289 Holy cripes! We've become a nation of haters!

http://tinyurl.com/ksrzs3w

Terrorist! Can you believe it? A judge actually permitted the use of the word terrorist! In a trial of a terrorist, no less.

I'm mortified!

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 31, 2014 03:32 PM (BZAd3)

290 Vic may have standing to sue.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 31, 2014 07:27 PM (8ZskC)

I think he was retired by then......

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 31, 2014 03:32 PM (QFxY5)

291 Try to think of confiscatory taxation as a kinder, gentler communism.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at March 31, 2014 03:32 PM (Dwehj)

292 The solution? Institute a Carbon Credit System and raise the Gasoline Tax.

Posted by: Thomas Friedman at March 31, 2014 03:33 PM (I7KK9)

293 I got rid of cable and all I am missing is the 30 minute shows. There is a Stream for everything else.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 31, 2014 03:34 PM (bitz6)

294 292 Pants tax. First they came for the pants wearers. Posted by: Boss Moss

So, we're safe then.

Posted by: pep at March 31, 2014 03:35 PM (4nR9/)

295 If you like to drive around and eat at restaurants you are a tourist.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 31, 2014 03:35 PM (bitz6)

296 Cicero (@cicero): "Vic may have standing to sue." Good one. A citizen with standing. I need to write that one down. Posted by: The Roberts Court It's been quite the amusing dinner conversation. It takes everyones' mind off the Summer stink of the tourists.

Posted by: Your Beltway Betters at March 31, 2014 03:35 PM (vK0by)

297 This is a good example of a poll that tells nobody anything, generated in order to create a news story, and used for a political purpose.
The question can be interpreted to mean anything the respondent thinks it means, and then presented to be what the news writer wants it to mean.
I'm all in favor of the "change" to the law where its being delayed, but does that mean I like the law, what the pollster means, or what the news article will be written about? Nope.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 31, 2014 03:36 PM (zfY+H)

298 CharlieBrown'sDildo: "Double the parking meter rate, and increase sewage fees for businesses."

Our politicians must be related. We're admonished to conserve water; so the populace complies to share the pain. The politicians notice, "Hey, water use is down. That means the taxes from them are too. This shall not stand!" And they promptly vote to increase the fees/water volume to make up for the decrease in use. Punish the ratepayer for following their advice and being a "good" citizen.

Oh, and recycling costs extra. Yes, that's right. We have to pay extra for the priviledge of separating our trash for what is supposed to be an economically cost-saving enterprise.

The air we breath is on the list. The Beatles knew it first.

Posted by: The Roberts Court at March 31, 2014 03:41 PM (1CroS)

299 OT? USDA to Grandparents: Read Government Bedtime Stories to Encourage Healthy Eating http://tinyurl.com/lrqx2hv

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 31, 2014 03:41 PM (CTCNK)

300 Most people get their health insurance from their employer. Most people have insurance so Obama's scheme doesn't affect them much.

Only the people who lose their insurance, or lose their job, or see huge increases in cost are going to be affected, and they won't like it.

The rest, mostly democrats will 'like' Obama's scheme because they believe it will help those poor people who don't have insurance.

So this poll is a measure of how effectively the news media's propaganda is working.

Posted by: Smith, Simply Smith at March 31, 2014 03:41 PM (2PpZF)

301

I hope dems up for re-election believe this poll means that we all now love Obamacare, and they fully embrace it during their campaigns.

Bwahahahaha.

Posted by: LASue at March 31, 2014 03:42 PM (pWeX5)

302

Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2014 06:48 PM (mizYg)

cake or death...

Posted by: rich@gmu at March 31, 2014 03:43 PM (RhQvZ)

303 "Most people get their health insurance from their employer."

For now.

That shit Ezekiel Emmanuel has gone on the record as saying he expects the percentage of people whose health coverage is employer-paid to plummet over time as the Obamacare noose tightens, as the paperwork and costs skyrocket.

And he admits (practically with a giggle) that this was by deliberate design, to force more and more people into a situation where they're forced to buy costly health policies on their own, which they can't afford without subsidy, to hook them on the subsidies and entrench Obamacare permanently.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 31, 2014 03:47 PM (noWW6)

304 Whoops. Meant to disbar that sock @302.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 31, 2014 03:47 PM (1CroS)

305 They lie like Fox News but in a different way.

Posted by: Thoroughly Disgusted at March 31, 2014 03:47 PM (Cs2tJ)

306 Speaking of crummy HOAs: around here the Condo Association fees are $500-600 / month. What the Shazbot are they spending that money on? Landscaping? Most condos have about four shrubs and six square feet of lawn.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 31, 2014 03:48 PM (o4Xc4)

307 1% of your income was the first income tax rate. Temporary tax of course. Wonder what ever happened to it?

___________

That's not quite true.

The **lowest** tax rate was 1% initially. But the first top tax rate was 7% in 1913. In 1915 it went to 15%. And since it has gone all over the map as high as 92 and as low as 28.

Here's a nice chart

http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/history-of-federal-individual-1.html

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 31, 2014 03:48 PM (0LHZx)

308 They lie like Fox News but in a different way.

Posted by: Thoroughly Disgusted at March 31, 2014 03:48 PM (Cs2tJ)

309 When I'm in charge I'm calling the bastards in one by one and asking "When the progressives were in charge and seeking to take over the entire country, were you propagandizing for them or not?". That may not happen in this life, but I carry grudges so I'm not worried.

Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2014 03:49 PM (H24g2)

310 That shit Ezekiel Emmanuel has gone on the record as saying he expects the percentage of people whose health coverage is employer-paid to plummet over time as the Obamacare noose tightens, as the paperwork and costs skyrocket.

And he admits (practically with a giggle) that this was by deliberate design, to force more and more people into a situation where they're forced to buy costly health policies on their own, which they can't afford without subsidy, to hook them on the subsidies and entrench Obamacare permanently.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 31, 2014 07:47 PM (noWW6)

______________

If you take the subsidy part out, I agree with him. Employer health insurance is inefficient as fuck. The market would work a lot better if everyone bought their own insurance. But without all the Obamacare bullshit like subsidies and forcing a 60 year old woman to have abortion and birth control coverage.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 31, 2014 03:51 PM (0LHZx)

311
and recycling costs extra. Yes, that's right. We have to pay extra for the priviledge of separating our trash for what is supposed to be an economically cost-saving enterprise.
Posted by: The Roberts Court

I take my empty plastic water bottles down to the beach, fill them full of sand, and chuck them at the blow-holes of surfacing dolphins.

That'll learn 'em to bust my tomater.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 31, 2014 03:52 PM (kdS6q)

312

312...The market would work a lot better if everyone bought their own insurance. But without all the Obamacare bullshit like subsidies and forcing a 60 year old woman to have abortion and birth control coverage.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 31, 2014 07:51 PM (0LHZx)

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There is no such insurance any more.

Because of Ocare...All policies are required to cover shit that doesn't apply to everyone.

Posted by: wheatie at March 31, 2014 03:56 PM (m7/Sn)

313 You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means

Posted by: Inigo Montoya at March 31, 2014 03:58 PM (0Pgv3)

314 That's not quite true.

The **lowest** tax rate was 1% initially. But the first top tax rate was 7% in 1913. In 1915 it went to 15%. And since it has gone all over the map as high as 92 and as low as 28.

Well, you're talking after the 16th Amendment was ratified. You are correct. But there were other federal taxes before that, including the Corporate income "excise tax" of 1909. In the which the top rate was 1% of monies in excess of $5000.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 31, 2014 04:00 PM (4QSOR)

315 All of us would like to think in the months to come the GOP will be ferociously (and incessantly) attacking the Democrats on (1) ObamaCare; (2) Immigration Â‘ReformÂ’/Amnesty; (wherein all we need to say is that itÂ’s morally reprehensible to even CONSIDER amnesty at a time when scores of millions of American citizens are out of work); (3) the TRUE jobless rate Â– circa 12.8% IF we include the 81 million Americans whoÂ’ve given up looking for work and thus NOT included the DemocratsÂ’ unemployment numbers; (4) The absolute necessity for Voter ID Â– a proposition with which 76% of the electorate agrees INSTEAD, between now and November, our august Â“leadershipÂ” will be trotting out a detailed, convoluted GOP Â‘alternativeÂ’ to ObamaCare; a similar GOP Â‘alternativeÂ’ for Immigration Reform/Amnesty, etc., etc., and the ENTIRE DEBATE will be spent with Republicans defending THEIR ALTERNATE PROPOSALS with no mention (or attention) being given to the REAL disaster which is ObamaCare, or the Democrat ultimate Voter Registration Drive which is Immigration/Amnesty. This is like sitting on top of a mountain and seeing the INEVITABILITY of the train wreck unfolding before your very eyes.

Posted by: alwyr at March 31, 2014 05:24 PM (V0j3u)

316 Our politicians must be related. We're admonished to conserve water; so the populace complies to share the pain. The politicians notice, "Hey, water use is down. That means the taxes from them are too. This shall not stand!" And they promptly vote to increase the fees/water volume to make up for the decrease in use. Punish the ratepayer for following their advice and being a "good" citizen. Oh, and recycling costs extra. Yes, that's right. We have to pay extra for the priviledge of separating our trash for what is supposed to be an economically cost-saving enterprise. The air we breath is on the list. The Beatles knew it first. Posted by: The Roberts Court ----------------- What?! No rain tax? Which we have.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 31, 2014 05:31 PM (aDwsi)

317 Substitute the first occurrence of "the" with "a" and the favorables will be at 90%

Posted by: Radar at March 31, 2014 05:49 PM (KzmOC)

318 220 Maybe the USPS should just put all the mail for a given zip code in a big dumpster and let the customers come find their own. That would save money. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2014 07:03 PM (g4TxM) _________________ Isn't that how you're mail's PRESENTLY delivered?

Posted by: alwyr at March 31, 2014 05:56 PM (V0j3u)

319 Do you support or oppose hanging all politicians in DC from lamp posts?

Posted by: Kristophr at March 31, 2014 06:03 PM (c6N69)

320 I am a rabid conservative who always votes Republican and am a devotee of Hannity and Rush. One day when I crossed the street I saw a gay wedding between two black guys so I went over to kick them but fell and broke my ankle. Thank god for Obamacare. The government paid all my bills, and the staff was so welcoming and friendly. I don't know what I would have done if it weren't for Obamacare. I also think the Woookie is a love goddess.

Posted by: Veritas at March 31, 2014 06:52 PM (aqcYr)

321

"Overall, do you support or oppose the federal law making changes to the health care system?"

Since Obamacare is the present state wouldn't "changes" to the health care system be something other than it?

Posted by: Dan Kauffman at March 31, 2014 07:31 PM (K6mgj)

322 Obamacare is the law.

Obamacare is the status quo?

"Do you support the healthcare status quo?"

would probably get about 10% saying 'yes'.

Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at March 31, 2014 11:53 PM (oNqbW)

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