February 27, 2014
— CAC Warning- wide margins.
At top, the forecast from December as published over at The Federalist. At bottom, the picture as things stand today.
The news out of Colorado just piled onto the Democrats' existing problems. Everyone expected that the Republicans would target the seats in the seven states that voted for Romney: Montana, South Dakota, Arkansas, West Virginia, North Carolina, Louisiana and Alaska. They are, and they outright lead in 6 out of the 7 (Alaska, the sole exception, is likely the artifact of sparse polling). Democrats' chances of retaining the chamber remained over 50/50 when the map was limited to just that- Republicans would need to sweep 6 out of 7 targets, and their recent track record of actual wins versus contested races didn't inspire much confidence in that.
But now, not only is the GOP favored in the initial round of states, they are (at least for now) in the driver's seat in Michigan, making a big, serious play for Colorado, and depending on how they sort things out, are at least semi-serious about New Hampshire and Iowa. The larger the map grows, the tougher it is for the Democrats to keep the Senate.
There comes a point, really, where triage will begin if this map holds or even worsens. It would begin in the states even the Democrats admit are becoming tough holds: West Virginia, Montana, South Dakota. They will try to protect as many incumbents as possible, but if any start approaching Blanche Lincoln territory, it is doubtful the Democrats will pour good money in after bad.
Triaging races would likely do more harm than good: every conceded race brings the Republicans a seat closer to a majority. Firewalls work when the map remains small. This is why what happened yesterday is so important- the shake up in the GOP side for Udall's seat makes that race a top priority, adding to an ever-growing list of legitimate targets. An enemy with a wound can slink off. One with a half-dozen or more will be dead on the field barring a dramatic rescue.
The one-two punch of vulnerable incumbents and numerous vacancies is something the Republicans are familiar with: in 2006 and 2008, they were left defending incumbents in places like Rhode Island, Oregon, Minnesota; and desperately trying to save vacated seats in then-swing states like Colorado, New Mexico, and Virginia. This year has the potential to equal that two-cycle collapse in one disastrous election.
Of course, the election is still eight months out. That's plenty of time for the GOP to destroy itself, or for the economy to spontaneously roar back to life, or for President Obama to send fifty-pound packages of bacon to every household in America. But right now, things look bad for the Democrats, and they have the potential to get much, much worse.
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Posted by: grammie winger at February 27, 2014 05:14 PM (oMKp3)
Posted by: dick cheese at February 27, 2014 05:15 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 27, 2014 05:16 PM (aDwsi)
Also, can I come up yet? It's cold and dark down here and there are wolves outside...
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at February 27, 2014 05:16 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 27, 2014 05:16 PM (aDwsi)
Hey, how did he get off the chain and out the basement???
Posted by: The Federalist at February 27, 2014 05:17 PM (UIxS+)
Posted by: grammie winger at February 27, 2014 05:17 PM (oMKp3)
Posted by: Joe at February 27, 2014 05:17 PM (v6ng1)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 27, 2014 05:17 PM (ZPrif)
Sigh. No plaid.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at February 27, 2014 09:16 PM (Gk3SS)
Word. I'm profoundly disappointed in the Meatball.
NO PLAID, NO PEACE!
NO PLAID, NO PEACE!
NO PLAID, NO PEACE!
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 27, 2014 05:18 PM (aYjRw)
I'm not picky,either would do.
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at February 27, 2014 05:18 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: JamesT at February 27, 2014 05:18 PM (blYjC)
Posted by: A Nomad of the Time Streams at February 27, 2014 05:18 PM (J6JcG)
Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 05:19 PM (tyz5J)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 27, 2014 05:20 PM (C6Yy1)
OK. Maybe. And then, with a gloriously GOP Senate, and the House ....... what will they do?
Remember - they'll only have one third of govt. (As if, under our system, the judicial branch is supposed to be equated with legislative and executive in terms of power to take action affirmatively and independently - itself a hilarious example of GOP arrogance and contempt for their own voters)
So, meh.
Posted by: non-purist at February 27, 2014 05:20 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: grammie winger at February 27, 2014 05:20 PM (oMKp3)
Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 27, 2014 05:21 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at February 27, 2014 05:21 PM (AQTz3)
Posted by: Larry Craig at February 27, 2014 05:22 PM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 27, 2014 05:22 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 05:23 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 27, 2014 05:23 PM (C6Yy1)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 27, 2014 05:23 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: chiefjaybob at February 27, 2014 05:24 PM (cgH9o)
We just can't help ourselves!
Posted by: The Voting Dead & "Found" Ballots at February 27, 2014 05:24 PM (aq/zi)
Posted by: Tom Brokedick at February 27, 2014 05:25 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: dogfish at February 27, 2014 05:25 PM (nsOJa)
Posted by: Brass Bancroft at February 27, 2014 05:25 PM (niuxr)
Posted by: The King of Wessex at February 27, 2014 05:25 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2014 05:25 PM (t3UFN)
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2014 05:26 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 05:26 PM (tyz5J)
Posted by: Moochie at February 27, 2014 05:26 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 27, 2014 05:27 PM (C6Yy1)
Posted by: Young Frankenstein at February 27, 2014 05:27 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: A Nomad of the Time Streams at February 27, 2014 05:27 PM (J6JcG)
Posted by: Coop at February 27, 2014 05:28 PM (cIzT9)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 27, 2014 05:28 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 27, 2014 05:28 PM (aDwsi)
I want Mark Warner to join that weasel Jim Moran in retirement.
Like the oilmen and real estate developers say in Texas, please God, give me one more boom and I promise not to piss it away.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at February 27, 2014 05:28 PM (KjBTQ)
And also: actively isolating and betraying Israel.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 27, 2014 05:29 PM (aq/zi)
Oh he so horny, yeah he want to fuck
He popped all my buttons, and he ripped my blouse
He Monica Lewinsky-ed all on my gown
I just wanna be the girl you like, the girl you like
- Obama daughter's role model
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at February 27, 2014 05:29 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: General Zod at February 27, 2014 05:29 PM (EjaYN)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 27, 2014 05:30 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 05:30 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 27, 2014 05:31 PM (C6Yy1)
CAC, a request for color blind morons, that would be 9% of the male population.
I can not see some of the colors, aka what I guess is purple? Would you insert a probability into the state maps?
You see, this is the perfect argument for plaid maps. Folks who have trouble seeing colors can key off of patterns. ADA blog compliance, y'know.
It's totes not about reminding The Horde about gawdawful plaid shorts and trying to get a cob to jump like my pet monkey on a string. Why, the idea is simply preposterous, and I'm insulted that someone might think that was my intent.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 27, 2014 05:31 PM (aYjRw)
Does it ever occur to you that you don't have the only NC opinion on this blog?
You are GOP establishment. Not held in high regard, if you haven't noticed.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 27, 2014 05:31 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 05:33 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2014 05:33 PM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at February 27, 2014 05:33 PM (KjBTQ)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at February 27, 2014 05:33 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at February 27, 2014 05:33 PM (/96QU)
Posted by: Picric at February 27, 2014 05:34 PM (QnQ+g)
Nevergiveup, gonna have to correct your list.
Egypt's tired quasi-dynastic regime ran out of steam, Bambi handled that the worst possible way of course, but it ain't "lost"
Gulf States ain't lost, they're waiting as breathlessly as many here for the restoration of a real govt. in the US
North Africa - ????
Ukraine - ain't ours to "lose"
F**k Europe (western - Bambi goat-f**ked Poland and Czech Rep)
F**k Brazil - daquele pais nem me fale
Taiwan, Iran - ding ding ding
Iraq - Dubya fumbled the ending there, of course these idiots completely screwed it up - but the American people are too ignorant and lazy to care (this includes many who loathe Bambi)
Afghanistan - complicated but Bambi has pursued an astonishingly stupid approach, of course (and apparently that Beltway mediocrity Gates thought it was wonderful)
Posted by: non-purist at February 27, 2014 05:34 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 27, 2014 05:34 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2014 05:35 PM (t3UFN)
Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 05:35 PM (tyz5J)
Posted by: sithkhan at February 27, 2014 05:35 PM (qWAB9)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at February 27, 2014 05:36 PM (AQTz3)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 27, 2014 05:37 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Peaches at February 27, 2014 05:38 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 05:38 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 05:38 PM (tyz5J)
Posted by: CAC at February 27, 2014 05:38 PM (w4IDR)
Posted by: marginphobe at February 27, 2014 05:39 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: non-purist at February 27, 2014 05:40 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 27, 2014 05:40 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 05:40 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2014 05:41 PM (t3UFN)
Nip, my good man . . . I am a HUGE proponent of the LIB stance, but I will always, ALWAYS shag my old, saggy, beer-infused ass out and vote AGAINST the Dems. You want to retain your bitching rights? VOTE. Or just stfu and become part of the problem.
Posted by: Peaches at February 27, 2014 05:41 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 05:42 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Alice at February 27, 2014 05:42 PM (aPp6U)
The TSA: where the lumpen proletariat find employment.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 27, 2014 05:42 PM (V70Uh)
Posted by: CAC at February 27, 2014 05:42 PM (w4IDR)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 27, 2014 05:44 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Ex-Senator Larry Craig at February 27, 2014 05:44 PM (Hu/Da)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 27, 2014 05:44 PM (6bMeY)
Posted by: Marginally phobic at February 27, 2014 05:44 PM (/cUUk)
What difference will it make?
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 27, 2014 05:44 PM (6GRz5)
DC driver's license ...... still recall going into a drugstore a few years back, freshly returned from one of our fun, er, war zones, and being unable to buy Sudafed-like pills for a raging head cold. Drugstore system didn't have any codes for DC licenses (this was in CA). Come to think of it, that was one of the early incidents that bundled up so much idiocy of various kinds and has led to a 100% disillusionment with the country, and society over the last few years. I recall the other people in line, and the store manager, basically shared my disbelief and disgust that buying f***ing cold medicine had become such a ridiculous goat-rope.
Posted by: non-purist at February 27, 2014 05:44 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 27, 2014 05:45 PM (6bMeY)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 27, 2014 05:45 PM (HVff2)
cripes, next thing you know, he'll be asking us to pay for his gender reassignment surgery.
Posted by: Peaches at February 27, 2014 05:45 PM (8lmkt)
This.
::: resigned mutterings :::
I remember the GOP having not just the House and the Senate, but the Oval Office. And what were the triumphant results?
Two wars which amounted to nothing more than profusely pouring blood and treasure out into the sand to no durable end. Not just any blood: some of the best the nation has. Not just any amount of treasure: a colossal amount of borrowed money. Meanwhile, at home: the creation of the Department of Homeland Security and the Transportation Security Administration. No cutbacks or abolishments of any existing government agencies. McCain-Feingold. Sarbanes-Oxley. Enormously bloated pork sausages masquerading as "farm" and "highway" bills. The Dread Justice Roberts (it's a tax!) heading up the Supreme Court. Harriet WTF Miers nearly on the Supreme Court. Light bulb bans. Ethanol everything. And a massive unrelenting push for illegal-alien amnesty.
Wow, with a track record like that, I can't tell you how very excited I am at the thought of voting Republican this year!
That is, I quite literally can't tell you how very excited I am.
Because I am not very excited at all. It's a grim duty.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 27, 2014 05:45 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Marginally successful at February 27, 2014 05:46 PM (/cUUk)
***
Don't think of it as "voting Republican."
Think of it as getting a bunch of Democrats off the public teat. For a while, at least.
Posted by: cool arrow at February 27, 2014 05:47 PM (Dqdyh)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 27, 2014 09:44 PM (6GRz5)
only one way to find out, eh? how fuckin' hard is it to go vote? srsly, don't make me mad. we all know that doesn't end well.
Posted by: Peaches at February 27, 2014 05:47 PM (8lmkt)
I hope everyone turns out, but a lot of my tea party buddies seem mighty butt hurt and are acting like they are going to stay home. Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 09:33 PM (0FSuD)
Please clarify. Is it your contention that Greg Brannon was found guilty of a criminal charge of theft and fraud?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at February 27, 2014 05:48 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 27, 2014 05:48 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 27, 2014 05:48 PM (ZPrif)
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You meant 5lb, right? Cause if it's 50, you'll be needing help.
*check flights to WI**
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 27, 2014 05:48 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2014 05:48 PM (t3UFN)
Posted by: dogfish at February 27, 2014 05:48 PM (nsOJa)
Posted by: Marginally successful at February 27, 2014 05:49 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 27, 2014 05:50 PM (6bMeY)
Posted by: Peaches
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anddddd ... the money quote for Thursday, February 27, 2014.
Film at 11.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 27, 2014 05:50 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 27, 2014 05:50 PM (ZPrif)
***
For all we know he already is. That would explain why he wears pants and Donald doesn't.
Posted by: cool arrow at February 27, 2014 05:51 PM (Dqdyh)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at February 27, 2014 05:51 PM (vHRtU)
No surprise whatoseover. An absolutely amazing number of people in Commiefornia are completely unaware that the District of Columbia is not a state. I'm not making this up. It's probably the default majority opinion here.
That's our state's wonderful unionized public school system at work.
Because, y'know, states are just part of the imperialist system artificially imposed by force (with guns!) on the pacifist, matriarchal, Gaia-worshipping natives by evil phallocentric European Christian men who hate the planet and anyone who is not just like them. So why learn about that "states" crap anyway? They will be done away with sooner or later as all are absorbed and become Of The Body.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 27, 2014 05:52 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 05:52 PM (tyz5J)
Nevergiveup of course I agree re general weakness and incompetence, just quibbling with Egypt (you're still wrong, and it isn't lost, unless you assume Obama-like presidencies for a few more terms - the army and Alexandria want a US connection, not a Russian one, whatever their short-term procurement stunts and strategies might look like).
And Dubya very much fumbled Iraq at the end, at least in a negative sense of not working a miracle - though it's not easy to see an alternative, as the IRAQIS THEMSELVES screwed everything up with their refusal to sign any worthwhile SOFA. This was pre-screwed up when these idiots took over in 2009. By the Iraqis themselves. It was definitely not a promising situation that the idiotic Obama people messed up.
But like all else, I fear it's hopeless to actually frame foreign policy questions in a serious fashion - that is, not always and only revolving around US action/inaction. Competence is hugely important, and the current administration is the most disastrously incompetent in modern history, but that doesn't account for many many challenging things that happen in the world. They happen anyway - it's how we respond that we're really talking about.
Posted by: non-purist at February 27, 2014 05:52 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 27, 2014 05:52 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 05:52 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 27, 2014 05:52 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: Beagle at February 27, 2014 05:53 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: dogfish at February 27, 2014 05:53 PM (nsOJa)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 27, 2014 05:54 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: RWC at February 27, 2014 05:54 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 27, 2014 05:54 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 05:54 PM (tyz5J)
Supreme Court.
As if McAmnesty wouldn't jump at the chance to Gang of 9 us all over again.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 27, 2014 05:55 PM (6GRz5)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 05:55 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: RushBabe at February 27, 2014 05:56 PM (hrIP5)
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at February 27, 2014 05:56 PM (uOV6o)
Posted by: torquewrench at February 27, 2014 09:45 PM (gqT4g)
Don't forget Kelo. That should be brought up as a stain on the court until the day it's repealed.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at February 27, 2014 05:56 PM (AaZLR)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 27, 2014 05:56 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at February 27, 2014 09:51 PM (vHRtU)
Oh, dude, so harsh, so sorry . . . we're here for you!!! {{{{{{}}}}}
Posted by: Peaches at February 27, 2014 05:57 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 27, 2014 05:57 PM (6bMeY)
Posted by: Peaches at February 27, 2014 05:58 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2014 05:58 PM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Jean at February 27, 2014 05:58 PM (4JkHl)
It's really hard to argue against the statement that the differences between the two parties are differences of degree, not of kind, when the GOP is pushing for amnesty, "compromising" on the budget in such a way as to spend even more than the Democrats were asking for, throwing in the towel on the increasingly unpopular Obamacare, not doing a thing to protect Christian business owners who don't want to participate in same-sex weddings, not treating the myriad forms of corruption in the Executive Branch as anything resembling a high-priority matter, and even fighting their own base with a ferocity they can't muster for the opposing party.
I try, but when one of my non-voting friends says, "It doesn't really matter who wins, because both parties are the same," and I can't come up with a better response than, "Nuh-uh! Your mom!", that's a problem.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at February 27, 2014 05:58 PM (/96QU)
Posted by: L, elle at February 27, 2014 05:58 PM (0xqKe)
Posted by: thunderb at February 27, 2014 05:59 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 27, 2014 05:59 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: RWC at February 27, 2014 05:59 PM (MtC8f)
torquewrench, your bill of particulars on domestic policy is a grim echo of my own disillusionment (I think you left out Medicare Part D?).
But your comments on Iraq/A-stan are actually reminders of why I regret ever risking a pinky "for the country" and have no more hope for our international prospects: the country, including many "conservatives", is fundamentally unserious about national security. Neither war bears the slightest resemblance to your description, as commonplace as it is.
Posted by: non-purist at February 27, 2014 06:00 PM (afQnV)
I guess he's not adding his guilty verdict to his fundraisers.
http://tinyurl.com/lba8a4c
http://tinyurl.com/mrvlf7h
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 09:55 PM (0FSuD)
That does not answer my question. I repeat, is it your contention that Greg Brannon was found guilty of a criminal charge of theft and fraud?
You see, your use of the terms "convicted" and "crook" are designed to lead to a very clear implication. Therefore, I wish to know if you are willing to back up that implication. Because, you see, I knew the answer to that question before those links. I am deeply interested in knowing yours.
For the record, I am utterly agnostic (unintentional call back to the theme of today's posts) as to Brannon's candidacy. However, I am not agnostic, in the slightest, to the concept of duplicity.
So. I ask again. Are you saying that Brannon was convicted, criminally, of theft and fraud?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at February 27, 2014 06:00 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: dick cheese at February 27, 2014 06:00 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 06:01 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: thunderb at February 27, 2014 06:01 PM (zOTsN)
You aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
Now get thee in front of a mirror and see what it looks like.
Then change for the better.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 27, 2014 06:01 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 27, 2014 06:02 PM (6bMeY)
That's a tough sell considering McConnell just wrote Obama a blank check on the debt ceiling and high-fived Harry Reid after he did it.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 27, 2014 06:03 PM (6GRz5)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 06:03 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 27, 2014 06:03 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Minnie Mouse at February 27, 2014 06:04 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2014 06:05 PM (t3UFN)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 27, 2014 06:05 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 27, 2014 06:05 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: dick cheese at February 27, 2014 10:00 PM (QupBk)
As did I...back in the days of wooden ships, with long voyages and lots of down time waiting on wind, one of the ways to maintain order was to keep the crew busy, so constant cleaning was a given (not to mention the hygienic benefits, such as preventing the spread of shipborne disease). I've never actually met an enlisted sailor who spent time at sea, so I wonder whether that's still the case. My bet is that the tradition still holds.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at February 27, 2014 06:05 PM (AaZLR)
Posted by: Putin at February 27, 2014 06:06 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 27, 2014 06:06 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2014 06:07 PM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 27, 2014 06:07 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 27, 2014 06:07 PM (aDwsi)
A buddy of mine got the same treatment twenty years ago from a frankly pretty hot number to whom he was engaged. It hit him hard.
A couple of us guys went over to buck up his spirits with distilled spirits.
And among the observations was, "Anyone who won't treat you with reasonable respect while leaving is someone you're better off without."
It took my buddy about THREE YEARS of moping to get over his depressed dumpitude and see the wisdom of that advice. But he did. Brightened and blossomed and started dating again. And fortunately did not succumb to the "they're all bitches" syndrome that locks some badly treated guys into perpetual bitter bachelorhood.
Today, he's married to an admirable woman in a rock solid marriage and they both treat one another with an amazing level of love and respect.
The woman who dumped him had a long string of boyfriends after that and then slowly ran out of looks. Flipped out in a major way when the whistles and catcalls and the proffered phone numbers stopped. Fell off the radar. No idea where she is now or if she's even on the top side of the grass still.
Lessons learnt.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 27, 2014 06:07 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 27, 2014 06:07 PM (6GRz5)
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Hell, I'll loan her 3 or 4 guns.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 27, 2014 06:08 PM (4Mv1T)
I dont think they have the manpower for it on many ships, and optempo, even on tests, is really a grinder. Maybe on the bigger ships.
Posted by: Jean at February 27, 2014 06:08 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 27, 2014 06:08 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: thunderb at February 27, 2014 06:09 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2014 10:07 PM (t3UFN)
Didn't Patrick (what a waste of a good name) Kennedy get off DUI charges in DC using the same defense? I can't keep all the Kennedy criminals straight anymore.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at February 27, 2014 06:09 PM (AaZLR)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 27, 2014 06:09 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 27, 2014 06:09 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 27, 2014 06:10 PM (6bMeY)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 27, 2014 10:05 PM (DmNpO)
c'est vrai!
Posted by: Peaches at February 27, 2014 06:10 PM (8lmkt)
I'd like to see Bloomberg step up and buy them some space as a farewell FYNQ.
Posted by: Jean at February 27, 2014 06:10 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 06:10 PM (tyz5J)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 27, 2014 06:10 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at February 27, 2014 06:11 PM (Q8vlx)
Posted by: GOP/e [/i] [/b] at February 27, 2014 06:11 PM (5ikDv)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 27, 2014 06:11 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 27, 2014 06:11 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 27, 2014 06:11 PM (BDHOa)
As someone who has no real interest in this story, I would say by reading your posts here, you are being deliberately obtuse, and intentionally misleading. Which is ironic, since that is essentially what the jury's finding was in that case.
You have no credibility here, chum. And being a deliberate dick regarding the Tea Party isn't helping either.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2014 06:11 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 27, 2014 10:09 PM (UAMVq)
Slow thread, entertaining outcome...I don't really see the downside here.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at February 27, 2014 06:12 PM (AaZLR)
Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 27, 2014 06:12 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 27, 2014 06:12 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Mindy at February 27, 2014 06:12 PM (RMfGb)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 27, 2014 06:12 PM (6bMeY)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 27, 2014 06:12 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 27, 2014 06:13 PM (KbrNh)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2014 06:13 PM (t3UFN)
I've never actually met an enlisted sailor who spent time at sea, so I wonder whether that's still the case. My bet is that the tradition still holds.
It's been a few lot of years, but yes the cleaning continues. Now the primary reasoning is limiting potential fuels for fire as well as debris in the event of needing to dewater a space due to battle damage or flooding.
A lot of repainting goes on also
Posted by: PMRich at February 27, 2014 06:13 PM (KDUNf)
Posted by: Russian Air Force at February 27, 2014 06:14 PM (t3UFN)
32 years doing that.
Yes, it still holds.
"Field day" in elementary school is not the same as "Field day" at sea.
Trust me on this.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 27, 2014 06:14 PM (DPkKe)
Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 06:15 PM (tyz5J)
Posted by: Beagle at February 27, 2014 06:16 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 27, 2014 06:16 PM (BDHOa)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 27, 2014 06:16 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 27, 2014 06:16 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Jean at February 27, 2014 06:16 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at February 27, 2014 06:16 PM (AaZLR)
Posted by: "Special" Joey Biden at February 27, 2014 06:17 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at February 27, 2014 06:17 PM (/96QU)
Posted by: thunderb at February 27, 2014 06:17 PM (zOTsN)
He was convicted of civil FRAUD, the stealing of $250,000 from his former classmates.
The court ordered him to repay that money.
He is a convicted crook, by the decision of a jury. Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 10:03 PM (0FSuD)
Do you know the difference between civil and criminal court?
Let me put you some knowledge. A civil jury can find someone liable. A civil jury can order restitution. A civil jury can find a person to be negligent or to have engaged in intentional acts. But do you know what a civil jury cannot do? A civil jury cannot convict anyone of anything at all. A conviction is a finding of criminal fault.
Also the court did not order him to repay the money, the jury made such a finding and the court will enforce that civil verdict.
I see that you are bound and determined to double down on the convicted crook, by the decision of the jury formulation. That leads me to the following conclusion. Either you are incapable of comprehending the difference between criminal and civil or you are more than willing to be utterly duplicitous and use language which you are aware carries a clear implication of criminal conviction, a fact which you know to be wholly false.
I will grant that you have the wit to know the difference between civil and criminal. That means you are duplicitous. I shall bear that in mind when reading what you say in the future.
Also, I fail to note any type of finding of stealing or theft by the jury. Fraud is not theft. Fraud is not stealing. You may think that it is the same thing but stating that a jury found such? Well, I shall fall back on duplicity on your part.
Here's the ridiculous part. There is no need on your part to shade the facts as you are. Even given what I know about civil jury verdicts and how those verdicts frequently do not comport with objective reality, I would concur that this is a significant matter. But no. No, you feel compelled, for reasons that are truly beyond me, to attempt to portray this as something it is not. Okay then.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at February 27, 2014 06:17 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2014 06:17 PM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Jean at February
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He's an OB in a rich town.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 27, 2014 06:18 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 27, 2014 06:19 PM (/cUUk)
to beat the rush, i've started drinking naow.
Fuck the GOP
Let
It
Burn
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 27, 2014 06:19 PM (q+fqH)
Oh, snap! There's a reason you are our queen. {bows and scrapes, loves u a lot}
Posted by: Peaches at February 27, 2014 06:19 PM (8lmkt)
Granted, I think the guy is essentially done as a candidate, but this whole thing strikes me as a big fat nothing... or it would be if he wasn't running for office.
For rich guys, it's the equivalent of an average dude lending his buddy $20, and being told he'd give it back on Tuesday. Then on Wednesday he is squirrelly about whether he's going to have it on Thursday or not.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2014 06:19 PM (BeSEI)
Then, about ten years later, I slipped and fell in love with someone not even half my age. We're still together and it's still working... but sometimes I feel like it was easier, if not better, not having to factor another person into my life decisions.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 27, 2014 06:20 PM (6GRz5)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 27, 2014 10:16 PM (BDHOa)
I asked the original question / speculation at 172. #CubFan
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at February 27, 2014 06:20 PM (AaZLR)
Posted by: troyriser at February 27, 2014 06:21 PM (ptcFO)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at February 27, 2014 06:21 PM (/96QU)
Posted by: filbert at February 27, 2014 06:21 PM (roTS7)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 27, 2014 06:21 PM (j6Axb)
was an outside shot of him becoming a Senator, wait for you payday. Your
not getting your 200K from him now.
Posted by: Jean at February
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He's an OB in a rich town.
Posted by: Tobacco Road
So, delay a bit. If he loses the primary, go for it. If he wins, a quiet 300K or we sink your campaign. Or, if you've got the guts for longball - wait for him to become a Senator, then cash in. Even a junior Senator can move $20M in milcon dollars around.
Posted by: Jean at February 27, 2014 06:22 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Sally Jesse Raphael channeling Ann Landers at February 27, 2014 06:22 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: Mindy at February 27, 2014 06:23 PM (RMfGb)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 06:24 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 27, 2014 06:25 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: toby928© at February 27, 2014 06:25 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Some dirty old man posting a ribald rejoinder at February 27, 2014 06:25 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 27, 2014 06:25 PM (HPNED)
I did leave out Part D, and it's assuredly part of the list, and I thank you.
"But your comments on Iraq/A-stan are actually reminders of why I regret ever risking a pinky 'for the country' and have no more hope for our international prospects: the country, including many 'conservatives', is fundamentally unserious about national security."
I spend a lot of time ruminating about national security issues. And defense is after all a specifically enumerated Constitutional function of the federal government.
I have had a long long long list of people try to argue me out of the belief that the wars of the 2000s were not completely ass-backwards and a bloodsoaked fiasco. None have succeeded. Not even close.
Any national security strategy which starts with, as first premises, the ideas that "Islam is a religion of peace," and that "Saudi Arabia and Pakistan will be our allies in a War On Terror," is a strategy which owes more intellectual inspiration to Lewis Carroll than it owes to von Clausewitz.
I put it to you that one of the chief elements of a realistic, functional national security strategy is keeping the populace aware that war may happen and that the country must be kept ready for war, just in case. A corollary is that getting into wars without good prospects of a durable political outcome (remember: war is the continuation of politics by other means) works against this end.
Where are we today? In a condition where two horribly botched, mismanaged wars of choice, wars that should not have happened, have demoralized the American electorate. Those wars revived an isolationist pacifism in America (in a world no longer structurally hospitable to isolationism pacifism), and where Americans now think it's perfectly OK to have a military shrunken to its smallest size since before the Second World War without any risk of anything going awry.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 27, 2014 06:25 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Sandra Flook at February 27, 2014 06:25 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2014 06:26 PM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 06:26 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Jean
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I think the suit took on a life of it's one. Pissed investors. Things didn't work out. Happened to my childhood friend who I worked with for 13 years during the same time frame.
The investors were likely not after HIS money, just THEIR money, and wanted it NOW.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 27, 2014 06:26 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 06:26 PM (tyz5J)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 27, 2014 06:27 PM (6bMeY)
Posted by: Jean at February 27, 2014 06:27 PM (4JkHl)
Love and despair.
Posted by: toby928© at February 27, 2014 10:25 PM (QupBk)
No. Brains and bawls. Brass bawls.
Posted by: Peaches at February 27, 2014 06:28 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: filbert at February 27, 2014 06:28 PM (roTS7)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 27, 2014 06:28 PM (HPNED)
Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 06:28 PM (tyz5J)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at February 27, 2014 06:28 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Beagle at February 27, 2014 06:28 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at February 27, 2014 06:28 PM (/96QU)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2014 06:29 PM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 27, 2014 06:29 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 06:29 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: troyriser at February 27, 2014 10:21 PM (ptcFO)
As it started before him and has only been accelerated by his zeal, I am in agreement. I hate it, and try to disagree with myself about it, but at this point I truly believe that decline is inevitable barring a transformative event, and I can't imagine one. I'm not the most imaginative or creative person in the world, but I can game out possibilities, and I can't imagine a major and transformative event that would make the American people want the ratchet of government to reverse its course, whereas its very easy to imagine any number of scenarios where the government must increase its footprint in order to maintain and preserver the status quo. We are all in the pot, and heat is being turned up. Will enough frogs notice soon enough to jump out? I doubt it.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at February 27, 2014 06:29 PM (AaZLR)
Posted by: The lame punster at February 27, 2014 06:30 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: Beagle at February 27, 2014 06:30 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Just the Punchline at February 27, 2014 10:28 PM (QupBk)
give it time . . . you'll be scraping it out of the carpet by midnight.
Posted by: Peaches at February 27, 2014 06:30 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 27, 2014 06:30 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: troyriser at February 27, 2014 06:31 PM (ptcFO)
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You put an damned ugly spin on it because you have a political agenda, that not all here share. Your GOP establishment turd, at the expense of someone likely better.
Like it couldn't happen to Tillis.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 27, 2014 06:32 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 27, 2014 06:32 PM (aDwsi)
I read the stories, nitwit. You keep using the word "convicted."
Nobody was convicted of anything. A jury said he should give a couple guys their money back.
If you had any sense, which you don't, apparently, you would realize this does, indeed, sink him as a candidate. But you can't seem to help yourself, and you keep doing essentially the exact same thing he did, which was to deliberately mislead people to try to get your way.
Again, you have no credibility. None.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2014 06:32 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: toby928© at February 27, 2014 06:32 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Teh Ghey Mafia at February 27, 2014 06:32 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Jean at February 27, 2014 06:33 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: toby928© at February 27, 2014 06:33 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 27, 2014 06:33 PM (6bMeY)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 27, 2014 06:34 PM (HPNED)
Posted by: Mindy at February 27, 2014 06:34 PM (RMfGb)
Posted by: thunderb at February 27, 2014 06:34 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 27, 2014 06:34 PM (aDwsi)
Again, you have no credibility. None.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Possibly one of the wisest statements made all night.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 27, 2014 06:34 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: honkskillet at February 27, 2014 06:34 PM (DBZx5)
Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 27, 2014 06:34 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: thunderb at February 27, 2014 06:35 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 27, 2014 06:35 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 27, 2014 06:36 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 27, 2014 06:37 PM (6bMeY)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2014 06:37 PM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 27, 2014 06:38 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 06:38 PM (tyz5J)
Posted by: Mindy at February 27, 2014 06:38 PM (RMfGb)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 27, 2014 06:39 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 27, 2014 06:40 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 06:40 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Teh Ghey Mafia at February 27, 2014 06:40 PM (Dwehj)
why didn't he settle? Posted by: thunderb at February 27, 2014 10:35 PM (zOTsN)
Yup. Look, it's really damn easy for me to tell people what to do with their own money, but I would support the contention that being so fucking stupid as to not settle a pending CIVIL (for those in the back of the class) fraud suit with iron clad NDAs in the settlement prior to running for Senate disqualifies one because stupid.
Remember, folks, lawyers can get you judgments. What you want is money. Those are not the same thing.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at February 27, 2014 06:41 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: The lame punster at February 27, 2014 06:41 PM (/cUUk)
The Irishman asked for a whiskey and a glass of Guinness, which were promptly brought and placed before him.
The flight attendant then asked the Mormon if he would like a drink.
He replied in disgust, "I'd rather be savagely raped by a dozen whores than let liquor touch my lips."
The Irishman then handed his drinks back to the attendant and said, "Me too, I didn't know we had a choice."
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No Irishman would drink airplane Guinness, the pressure alone would render it off.
Posted by: Jean at February 27, 2014 06:41 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 27, 2014 06:41 PM (ojnk6)
I would argue that you are misusing the word "semantics," but that would be, more or less, semantics.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2014 06:41 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: CMU VET at February 27, 2014 06:41 PM (ejB0r)
Posted by: Concealedkerry Behind Northern agression enemy lines at February 27, 2014 06:41 PM (LjjnQ)
Posted by: My book title at February 27, 2014 06:43 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: My book title at February 27, 2014 10:43 PM (/cUUk)
srsly, do not piss Peaches off. wtf is that all about?
Posted by: Peaches at February 27, 2014 06:43 PM (8lmkt)
I'm not convinced, but looking past her or his hyperbole, there may be a legitimate complaint about the candidate. NC is purple. Whether or not Nip has adult communication issues may need to be set aside to ensure that NC morons, and the people they have some influence over don't grease the skids for another dem by advancing a toxic candidate. It's still February, so unless you're sleeping with a candidate there's time to do all that without this ridiculous hyperbolic accusation.
In April, get the knives out.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at February 27, 2014 06:44 PM (AaZLR)
Posted by: Jean at February 27, 2014 06:45 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: filbert at February 27, 2014 06:46 PM (roTS7)
Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 06:46 PM (tyz5J)
srsly, do not piss Peaches off. wtf is that all about?
Posted by: Peaches
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It's a sock, troll, or possible non-sentient being.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 27, 2014 06:46 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: thunderb at February 27, 2014 06:47 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at February 27, 2014 10:44 PM (AaZLR)
Sure. Go ahead and pithily restate my tl;dr. It's fine. No. Really, it is.
*sniffle*
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at February 27, 2014 06:47 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Mindy at February 27, 2014 06:47 PM (RMfGb)
Posted by: The lame punster at February 27, 2014 06:47 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 06:48 PM (0FSuD)
No, you're not the only one. I never heard of the guy before a few minutes ago, but I can see it's pretty clear it would be a bad idea to nominate this guy.
But if it takes lies to get there, and if one has to impugn the entire Tea Party movement to make one's case, you're going to get some push-back.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2014 06:48 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: Hairy Reid at February 27, 2014 06:48 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at February 27, 2014 06:49 PM (/96QU)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 06:51 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Is this usual for a Thursday night? at February 27, 2014 06:51 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at February 27, 2014 06:52 PM (/96QU)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 27, 2014 06:52 PM (aDwsi)
Nothing quite like watching an idiot double down on his idiocy.
Brannon was not in criminal court, he was in civil court. Civil juries do not find defendants guilty. Every time you say that he was found guilty, you, Nip Sip, are telling a lie.
He was found *liable*. That word has a different meaning than the word guilty. He will not be sentenced to prison. Unless he wins on appeal, he will be responsible for repaying the investors who claim that they were misled by Brannon.
Does it mean nothing that he has this civil judgement against him? No, it raises serious questions about his integrity and suitableness for public office. But there is no need for anyone to run around lying about him to suggest that he is a convicted criminal. He is not.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 27, 2014 06:52 PM (IN7k+)
Posted by: Beagle at February 27, 2014 06:53 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 27, 2014 06:54 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: thunderb at February 27, 2014 06:54 PM (zOTsN)
Fuckin' due diligence. How does it work?
Would have loved to have been on that jury.
Let's see, you guys threw down 250 large on someone's _verbal representation_ about the bright prospects of a particular company, without doing any further homework on said prospects?
Bailiff! Bailiff! Inform whomever it is in the jury room to stop laughing at the top of their lungs and making rude fart sounds!
Posted by: torquewrench at February 27, 2014 06:55 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Seipherd at February 27, 2014 06:57 PM (1etLu)
Exactly. It boils down the difference between "it looks like Verizon might be on board with this," and "Verizon is on board with this."
Was he deliberately misleading? Overzealous? Just plain mistaken?
None of that was shown. Merely that his statements were misleading, and he owes his investors what they gave him, plus interest.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2014 06:57 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: thunderb at February 27, 2014 06:57 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at February 27, 2014 07:01 PM (/96QU)
Posted by: thunderb at February 27, 2014 07:05 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 27, 2014 08:00 PM (T2V/1)
What will get blamed when it doesn;t happen this time I wonder. A storm? Some congressman who stumbles over his words in an interview? The eeeevil social conservatives? Anything but admitting the truth of our electoral system.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 27, 2014 08:56 PM (zfY+H)
The GOP are pretty good at being medics for the Democrats.
Posted by: Norcross at February 28, 2014 05:39 AM (tmDTL)
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 28, 2014 05:55 AM (gXRIG)
Posted by: Whitey99 at February 28, 2014 05:59 AM (TRkgs)
He was convicted of civil FRAUD, the stealing of $250,000 from his former classmates.
The court ordered him to repay that money.
He is a convicted crook, by the decision of a jury.
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 10:03 PM (0FSuD)
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The operative word is "civil". He was sued and lost, he was not convicted of anything. If he stole the money, why wasn't he charged with a crime?
You are either completely ignorant of the law, or a liar.
(I never heard of the guy, and live on the west coast, so I have no dog in the fight.)
Posted by: jbarntt at February 28, 2014 06:00 PM (UNFot)
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